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Speaker 2: All from Benjamin.

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Speaker 1: Hello, Hello, what's going on?

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Speaker 2: Not much? I'm calling you from rehab. Oh really, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I'm two months in, two months sober as a last Friday.

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Speaker 1: What's what's rehab like?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 2: It's been good so far. I mean, I've got an

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Speaker 2: eight month old daughter, so it's pretty hard being here

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Speaker 2: away from her. But it feels good to have been

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Speaker 2: sober for her for the last two months. That's been awesome.

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Speaker 1: What is this alcohol that we're talking or something else?

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Speaker 2: It was alcohol, and like copious amounts of pot, like

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Speaker 2: insane marathon smoker's amount of pot. Interesting, for about five years,

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Speaker 2: I smoked like an ounce to two ounces a day.

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Speaker 1: You smoked an ounce of pot a day for five years. Sorry,

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Speaker 1: I'm out too, that's crazy.

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Speaker 2: It's all good. Yeah, it was nuts. Again, it was

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Speaker 2: not good for.

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Speaker 1: An ounce of pot a day. Oh my god. Sorry.

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Speaker 1: I mean yeah, I feel like I'm making fun to read.

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Speaker 1: But I mean no, I mean no, I'm I don't.

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Speaker 1: I'm I mean, that's under that's that's that's a lot.

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Speaker 1: That's wild. Yeah, that is because when you said pot,

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Speaker 1: I was like, I don't. I've never heard of someone

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Speaker 1: in real I mean, obviously alcohol people are going to

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Speaker 1: be have for it all the time, but I've never

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Speaker 1: heard somebody in rehab for for pot. And I mean

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Speaker 1: an ounce is how do you afford that? Holy shit,

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Speaker 1: it's like an ounce of pot. It's like one hundred bucks, right, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, it's just here amount. I grew a lot

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Speaker 2: of it myself. I'm in Canada, so it's pretty easy

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Speaker 2: to grow it and get away with it. And yeah,

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Speaker 2: a lot of it. I just I made money, like

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Speaker 2: I was in school for a while, but I was

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Speaker 2: also making money on the side. I had a lot

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Speaker 2: lot of money really could have.

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Speaker 1: Mm okay, so what were you were you were you

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Speaker 1: selling what you grew or I mean, you know, you

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Speaker 1: can plead the fifth on that if you want. Oh wait,

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Speaker 1: you guys don't have the fit, you don't have the fit?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, fat no, No, I was. I was selling it,

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Speaker 2: not super not legally, but I definitely was, and that

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Speaker 2: helps fund a lot of it. And then you know,

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Speaker 2: I have buddies. I went through a couple of jobs

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Speaker 2: where I like use my job as leverage to get pot.

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Speaker 2: I managed at campground for a while and doing that,

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Speaker 2: like it was near a bunch of indigenous dispensaries, so

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Speaker 2: pretty cool. Now it's a pot a day.

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Speaker 1: Look forgive me for my ignorance. But does Canada even

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Speaker 1: have laws and jail?

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Speaker 2: And yes, yeah we have laws. There are like a

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Speaker 2: lot of laws around weeds. Like right now, if you

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Speaker 2: buy edibles at a dispenser, you can't get a single

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Speaker 1: Okay, weird, so you can you can buy for you

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Speaker 1: a two days supply of weed.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, easily. Yeah. And if I like, you can

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Speaker 1: Where is that what you were doing?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Sometimes yeah wow.

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Speaker 1: What was it? What's the diamond?

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Speaker 2: It's like ninety pc distilled into a crystal. It's hardcore.

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Speaker 1: That you know what's hilarious is like they you can't

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Speaker 2: Yeah, basically if you could.

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Speaker 1: You would have. You would have been super dead.

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Speaker 1: One thousand milligrams of I would feel like for you,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Like, well I also took two tabs of acid

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a it was a wombo combo.

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Speaker 1: So what was the what? Why? Why why were you?

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Speaker 1: Why were you smoking an ounce of we to day?

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Speaker 1: If you even have an answer to that question, Oh.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I definitely do. Like, Okay, I'm gonna go back

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Speaker 2: a little bit. I've always been addicted to something Like

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Speaker 2: So like I remember, even at like five or six

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Speaker 1: M and you've been here for two months.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I've been sober for two months. Yeah, a year

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Speaker 2: that when I get out, I'm just going to work

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Speaker 1: You're you're worried that you're gonna fucking get jacked.

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Speaker 2: Like my goal while I'm being here is to get

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm stupid. Is anyone not addicted to any

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Speaker 1: You know, wait, you you hola, you are I I

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Speaker 1: You ended that talking about how depressed and low self

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, no, it was my It was my first

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Speaker 1: You got like arm russel gang banged.

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Speaker 2: Literally huh So, Yeah, I'm just super obsessive of everything,

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Speaker 1: Huh are you what? Now? What did you do for

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Speaker 1: So are you making Are you making friends in rehab?

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Speaker 2: Not at all, not at all. I've broken down crying

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Speaker 2: You can come here. They have they have people who

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Speaker 1: I'm about to move to Canada, get a job, and

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Speaker 1: get my ass fired. That sounds awesome to do it.

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Speaker 2: But you can do rehab together, it'd be awesome.

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Speaker 1: I would love to you're I would love to go

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Speaker 1: be great. Well, although I will say I will say,

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Speaker 2: You're absolutely right, you're one hundred, that's right off.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, totally, Like honestly, I feel healthier and happier than

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Speaker 2: which has been kind of freeing in a way. Like

438
00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:13,040
Speaker 2: when I was when I was in my PhD, it

439
00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:14,720
Speaker 2: wasn't because I wanted to do it, it was just

440
00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:16,359
Speaker 2: because I felt like I had to do it because

441
00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:18,600
Speaker 2: I had all these expectations that I placed on myself

442
00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:20,760
Speaker 2: and then other people had placed on me. So like

443
00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:24,120
Speaker 2: coming to rehab, I'm actually deciding what's important to me personally,

444
00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:27,080
Speaker 2: and those things aren't as stressful as all the other

445
00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:28,760
Speaker 2: things I've done in my life, So that's been kind

446
00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:31,480
Speaker 2: of freeing. So like mentally and physically, honestly, I'm feeling

447
00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:34,200
Speaker 2: better than I have in a long time, and I

448
00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:35,920
Speaker 2: don't see what substance is being hard.

449
00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:39,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's wonderful. I'm not a real therapist, but judging

450
00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:42,600
Speaker 1: off the information that you gave me about you getting

451
00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:46,760
Speaker 1: arm Russell gang banged by fourteen guys, you do you

452
00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:48,760
Speaker 1: definitely seem to have misplaced ambitions.

453
00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:52,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely. I agree.

454
00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:56,120
Speaker 1: That's beautiful. Man. Fuck, it sounds like you're cured now,

455
00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:57,480
Speaker 1: but you got to do the whole year just to

456
00:21:57,480 --> 00:21:57,880
Speaker 1: make sure.

457
00:21:59,000 --> 00:21:59,240
Speaker 3: Yeah.

458
00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:01,800
Speaker 2: Well, like everybody has rough moments and rough days too.

459
00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:03,440
Speaker 2: Like I'm only talking about the good stuff, but I

460
00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:05,080
Speaker 2: mean I have days where like all I can think

461
00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:07,400
Speaker 2: about is pot too, and I just have to really

462
00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:10,000
Speaker 2: struggle through it. Or like I'm invc. So when you're

463
00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:13,280
Speaker 2: driving around, you smell pot like every five minutes and

464
00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:15,520
Speaker 2: just the smell comes into your car. So like when

465
00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:19,440
Speaker 2: that happens, it's tough. And like I've been, like every

466
00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:21,840
Speaker 2: time I leave, my partner's there with me and she's

467
00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:24,000
Speaker 2: keeping me sober. But if I was just on my own,

468
00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:27,399
Speaker 2: I don't know, but it'd be a lot harder. So

469
00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:29,800
Speaker 2: I mean, if I left right now, I couldn't say

470
00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:32,720
Speaker 2: that I'd stay sober. I definitely need more time here.

471
00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:35,040
Speaker 2: Not all sunshine and roses.

472
00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:39,119
Speaker 1: It's not all sunshine, roses and go karting.

473
00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:42,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, go karting for sure, but.

474
00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:44,119
Speaker 1: It's at least a little bit go karting. That's what

475
00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:48,080
Speaker 1: we know. Yeah, what the hell? Oh did you ever

476
00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:49,760
Speaker 1: have a time in your life where you were able

477
00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:53,679
Speaker 1: to like to smoke casually or was it always fucking nuts?

478
00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:57,959
Speaker 2: Uh? Yeah, Well, like I kind of transitioned from drinking

479
00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:00,960
Speaker 2: super heavily to smoking super heavily. So when I was

480
00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:03,760
Speaker 2: drinking super heavily, I would smoke maybe like once a month,

481
00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:05,760
Speaker 2: and I was okay. But I was also drinking like

482
00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:10,159
Speaker 2: fifty sixty seventy drinks a week, like just just pounding

483
00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:12,919
Speaker 2: them down. And then like my liver started to go

484
00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:16,480
Speaker 2: a little bit, so I quit drinking and went to smoking,

485
00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:19,760
Speaker 2: and that's when it got really out of control. My

486
00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:21,879
Speaker 2: liver is still kind of screwed, but I'm getting an

487
00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:25,000
Speaker 2: ultrasound done on it, so hopefully it's okay.

488
00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:27,840
Speaker 1: What is we do you? How is are there any

489
00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:29,800
Speaker 1: did your doctor tell you about any of the long

490
00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:31,840
Speaker 1: term effects of the ounce of whea today?

491
00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:36,680
Speaker 2: Well, it messes up your lungs, that's for sure. We

492
00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:40,000
Speaker 2: couldn't go up a flight of stairs without feeling like crapped.

493
00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:42,359
Speaker 2: And like when I quit, I coughed up and resin

494
00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:44,960
Speaker 2: from my lungs for about two weeks. My spit was

495
00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:48,960
Speaker 2: just brown, like packing up phlegm. And like when I quit,

496
00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:53,399
Speaker 2: it was like hardcore withdrawal. Hardcore withdrawal, I was like,

497
00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:55,600
Speaker 2: because I was smoking like over and now it's the

498
00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:57,960
Speaker 2: day through a bong. I didn't eat for like three

499
00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:00,520
Speaker 2: weeks because I couldn't. I would throw up every time

500
00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:03,560
Speaker 2: I eat solid food. I just drank whole milk. I

501
00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:06,159
Speaker 2: was like, oh, I could keep down, and I didn't.

502
00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:09,160
Speaker 2: I like, at the first week that I quit caught,

503
00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:12,440
Speaker 2: I slept once every three days, and then the week

504
00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:14,240
Speaker 2: after that it was once every two days, and then

505
00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:16,000
Speaker 2: the week after that I could only sleep like three

506
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:18,040
Speaker 2: hours a night, and it just slowly got better. But

507
00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:21,080
Speaker 2: for those first three weeks, like it was it felt

508
00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:25,800
Speaker 2: like hardcore drug addiction or drugs like withdrawal. It was rough. Wow,

509
00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:28,439
Speaker 2: like anyway listening, like, don't get to the point that

510
00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:31,720
Speaker 2: I was at, because it's bad. It's really bad.

511
00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:35,280
Speaker 1: Damn you know. I was gonna fucking take a rip

512
00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:37,800
Speaker 1: of my dad pan after this, but now I'm not sure.

513
00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:42,120
Speaker 2: Well, like anything like anything can be used in moderation,

514
00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:45,120
Speaker 2: But my problem is I'm really good at manipulating myself.

515
00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:47,879
Speaker 2: So I cannot have one rip. I can convince myself

516
00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:49,320
Speaker 2: that the next day I can have another rip and

517
00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:51,240
Speaker 2: it's not a problem. And then I could convince myself

518
00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:53,080
Speaker 2: that I can have two rips in a day and

519
00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:54,760
Speaker 2: it's not a problem. And then I just spialed down

520
00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:57,679
Speaker 2: from there. It's all about like, if you have the

521
00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:03,720
Speaker 2: mindset for moderation, it makes all the difference. I almost

522
00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:07,639
Speaker 2: think weed and small small amounts really hurts. I don't know,

523
00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:08,439
Speaker 2: I shouldn't say that.

524
00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:11,560
Speaker 1: You don't think weed and small amounts are there? Well,

525
00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:16,520
Speaker 1: I guess. I mean I assume most I don't know.

526
00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:19,320
Speaker 1: Most people who like you know, get addicted, are like

527
00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:23,399
Speaker 1: our a people or like have struggle with addiction. I

528
00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:28,399
Speaker 1: think most of them usually quit cold turkey for the

529
00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:30,560
Speaker 1: rest of their lives rather than reintegrate it.

530
00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:33,520
Speaker 2: I assume, yeah, And that's what I want to do, like,

531
00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:36,320
Speaker 2: especially with my daughter, Like my parents didn't do the

532
00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:39,320
Speaker 2: best job raising me and my Like my biggest goal

533
00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:41,080
Speaker 2: in life has been to be a good parent because

534
00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:43,119
Speaker 2: I want to be able to really succeed in some

535
00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:45,560
Speaker 2: of the places they failed. And when I couldn't quit

536
00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:48,080
Speaker 2: when my daughter was born, that was really scary. And

537
00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:50,040
Speaker 2: I never want to go back to that kind of

538
00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:51,800
Speaker 2: fear of not being able to take care of someone.

539
00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:53,840
Speaker 2: And I know you say all the time, like, if

540
00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:55,359
Speaker 2: you have a kid, you're screwed.

541
00:25:55,359 --> 00:26:01,040
Speaker 1: Like, god da, do I sell all the time?

542
00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:01,320
Speaker 2: No?

543
00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:03,800
Speaker 1: I had a call once with the I feel bad

544
00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:05,720
Speaker 1: that I say that all the time. I fucking say

545
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:07,640
Speaker 1: things on this podcast and then people are like, remember

546
00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:09,119
Speaker 1: when you said that. I'm like, I forgot anyone was

547
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:14,159
Speaker 1: listening to this. What was I gonna say? No, I

548
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:16,360
Speaker 1: don't think you're screwed. You sound very not screwed.

549
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:20,200
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, No, she changed my life for the better

550
00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:24,359
Speaker 2: by far. She gets me going every day. Yeah, twenty

551
00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:27,960
Speaker 2: six and my partner is twenty twenty one or twenty two,

552
00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:30,800
Speaker 2: so we're really young, okay to have a kid and

553
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:32,560
Speaker 2: we've only known each other two years.

554
00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:38,159
Speaker 1: Okay, Well sounds like it's been in an eventful two years.

555
00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:39,800
Speaker 2: Yeah you could say that.

556
00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:47,640
Speaker 1: Okay, m And now you have your daughter and you're

557
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:50,600
Speaker 1: excited too. Oh I remember I was gonna ask me,

558
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:54,480
Speaker 1: you're you said your parents raised you in ways that

559
00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:58,240
Speaker 1: you're not cool with. What do you want to share

560
00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:02,840
Speaker 1: any like, uh, the things you've learned from their mistakes

561
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:07,960
Speaker 1: that you're hoping to not you're hoping to correct in

562
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 1: your raising of your own daughter.

563
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:15,760
Speaker 2: Yeah. Sure. My parents were super super legalistic religious growing up,

564
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:20,520
Speaker 2: like like really hardcore. So like one example I can

565
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:23,879
Speaker 2: give is pretty much my earliest memory from childhood. I

566
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:26,080
Speaker 2: was maybe four or five years old and I was

567
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:28,199
Speaker 2: at church. I still remember like I was in the

568
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:30,680
Speaker 2: pews and I couldn't sit still because I was four

569
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:33,400
Speaker 2: or five years old. He can't sit still in church

570
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:35,520
Speaker 2: when you're that young. My dad was getting so ticked

571
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:37,400
Speaker 2: off at me. Then when we got home, he had

572
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:39,919
Speaker 2: me like sit in this little wooden wicker chair. And

573
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:41,960
Speaker 2: I still have this chair. It's like this tiny little

574
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:44,199
Speaker 2: kid's chair. So I know I wasn't very old, and

575
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:46,200
Speaker 2: he was like, now you look at the clock. If

576
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:48,160
Speaker 2: you have to sit there for an hour without moving,

577
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:50,240
Speaker 2: and if I see you move, I'm resetting the hour.

578
00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:53,359
Speaker 2: And I like I sat there all day because I

579
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:56,200
Speaker 2: couldn't do it. I just remember like going away from

580
00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:57,840
Speaker 2: that with just the seeing of like, well there's something

581
00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:00,960
Speaker 2: wrong with me. I said, I can't, I can't sit still.

582
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:03,000
Speaker 2: There's something wrong with me, and my dad had to

583
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 2: punish me, and like that just led to this huge

584
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:09,159
Speaker 2: conflict growing up of insecurity, like feeling like I'm not

585
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:12,800
Speaker 2: good enough, feeling like I'm I should feel guilty about

586
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:15,760
Speaker 2: myself constantly, and I don't want to teach my daughter

587
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:18,360
Speaker 2: that I don't want to let their get away with anything.

588
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:21,480
Speaker 2: But I like, I'm not going to ingring just like this,

589
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:26,080
Speaker 2: like this feeling of self hatred and self guilt. That's

590
00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:26,960
Speaker 2: just not good for a kid.

591
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:34,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, what's your relationship with the parents, Like now.

592
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:35,080
Speaker 2: It's a bit better my dad, Like, my parents had

593
00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:37,440
Speaker 2: three kids after me, and they did a much better

594
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:40,320
Speaker 2: job with those kids. They were also like nineteen and

595
00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:42,440
Speaker 2: twenty when they had me, and they came from super

596
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:45,640
Speaker 2: religious homes who like R really came down on them

597
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 2: for having a kid that young and not in marriage,

598
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:51,000
Speaker 2: so they had their own issues to work out. So like,

599
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:52,880
Speaker 2: my relationship with them is a little bit better now

600
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:54,640
Speaker 2: that now as a parent, Like they come and visit

601
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 2: me in rehab and stuff like that. Still argue with

602
00:28:57,320 --> 00:28:59,840
Speaker 2: my mom all the time because she's like a hard

603
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:04,800
Speaker 2: or anti vacks, like all these things I disagree with,

604
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:08,040
Speaker 2: but we get along. We can we can sit at

605
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 2: a dinner together and not yell at each other.

606
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:12,360
Speaker 1: So that's good. It's kind it's kind of interesting that

607
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 1: you get older and you're and then you have that

608
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 1: thing of like, oh that was fucked up that my

609
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 1: parents did that, But also they were probably also had

610
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:24,600
Speaker 1: just had no fucking idea what they were doing.

611
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:26,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know.

612
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:28,840
Speaker 1: And also the fact that you you recognize it as

613
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:32,440
Speaker 1: some kind of like cycle that you are now have

614
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 1: the have the glorious opportunity to break.

615
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:38,960
Speaker 2: Absolutely that's like my biggest goal right now.

616
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:47,160
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. Do you think what if they come out

617
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:52,360
Speaker 1: with a like an like weed too? Would you try

618
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:55,280
Speaker 1: weed too if they if there was a sequel to weed,

619
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:56,600
Speaker 1: or would you be like No.

620
00:29:56,520 --> 00:30:01,280
Speaker 2: I'm no, I'd want to. I definitely want to do it,

621
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 2: but I wouldn't like I even I gave up like

622
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:06,360
Speaker 2: everything when I came here. I don't even drink coffee

623
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:08,840
Speaker 2: anymore because I don't want to be on any substance whatsoever,

624
00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:10,840
Speaker 2: Like I really just want to be able to get

625
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:13,560
Speaker 2: through my day on my own power, just enjoy things

626
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:15,959
Speaker 2: without any kind of substance. I don't even drink like

627
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 2: pop anymore. So I don't think We'd two would draw

628
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 2: me back in as much as I would love to

629
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:24,400
Speaker 2: try it, But We'd.

630
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:26,920
Speaker 1: Too would be like a combination of all those things.

631
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 1: It combines. It's like weed infused with soda and infused

632
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:37,600
Speaker 1: with alcohol, infused with Reese's pieces, and you feel all

633
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:39,480
Speaker 1: those things I.

634
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 2: Mean, I've had we'd infused alcoholic drinks before, and those

635
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:42,800
Speaker 2: were pretty dope.

636
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 1: But what is you've had? What you had? You've had? Okay,

637
00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:49,960
Speaker 1: hold on, just really, though I made I made my own,

638
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:56,920
Speaker 1: you made, Okay, alcol we'd infused alcohol makes sense logistically,

639
00:30:57,000 --> 00:31:00,480
Speaker 1: But how the fuck do you make alcohol infuse weed?

640
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:05,360
Speaker 2: Oh? Okay, Okay, No, I haven't made alcohol infuse weed.

641
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:07,520
Speaker 2: Yeah I didn't. I didn't think to that, but I

642
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:10,480
Speaker 2: have made weed infused alcohol.

643
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 1: Okay.

644
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 2: I thought you used weed into I infused weed into

645
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 2: ever Clear, and then I would take shots of that.

646
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:20,960
Speaker 1: I'm glad you're in rehab.

647
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 2: Man, me too, Man.

648
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:31,240
Speaker 1: God damn well, you know, I'm I'm the Lord has

649
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:36,720
Speaker 1: given you another chance after your weed infused ever Clear.

650
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 1: I'm glad to see you taking and I'm glad to

651
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:42,120
Speaker 1: see that you're doing well. I'm massively impressed with you that.

652
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:45,240
Speaker 1: I mean, it sounds like it was a hellish road

653
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:49,520
Speaker 1: to get there, but uh, just yeah, I mean, going

654
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:53,360
Speaker 1: from five years of daily you know, craziness to uh,

655
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Speaker 1: you know, it sounds like you're in a really good

656
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 1: place right now after only two months. I mean, that's

657
00:31:57,280 --> 00:32:02,160
Speaker 1: incredibly impressive. Man, good on you. I wish you and

658
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 1: your family continued health and happiness throughout your existence. And

659
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 1: I'm gonna see you in I'm gonna we're gonna meet

660
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:17,680
Speaker 1: each other in real life at fucking soon. I'm pumped too.

661
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:22,320
Speaker 1: That'll be awesome everyone. I'm coming to Vancouver on uh

662
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:26,360
Speaker 1: fulk sometime in June Therapy Gecko Tour dot Com. I'm

663
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:30,720
Speaker 1: going to Vancouver. I'm gonna have a fun time. We'll

664
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Speaker 1: live life will I'll make sure, just just for you, know,

665
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:40,880
Speaker 1: I was I was thinking about starting a Therapy Gecko

666
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 1: brand of weed infused alcohol and selling it at my shows,

667
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:45,160
Speaker 1: but just for you, I won't.

668
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:48,320
Speaker 2: I appreciate that. It'll make it easier for me.

669
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Speaker 1: What's your name again?

670
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Speaker 2: Thanks?

671
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:54,160
Speaker 1: Ben, Ben? Ben? It was a pleasure talking man. Is

672
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:55,680
Speaker 1: there anything else you want to say to me or

673
00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:57,080
Speaker 1: the people at the computer before we go?

674
00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 2: I'd love to show my partner she's watching. I love

675
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:03,720
Speaker 2: you so much. You are everything to me. And I

676
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:06,200
Speaker 2: listened to your podcast religiously, so I'm excited for the

677
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:09,120
Speaker 2: next episode. I listened to it while I'm in rehab cooking.

678
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Speaker 1: Fuck yeah, fuck yeah, I'm glad to hear that. Man.

679
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Speaker 2: You take care you two man, Ben forever, Lile forever.

680
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Speaker 1: Oh that was a great call. Oh that was a

681
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 1: great call. I love that guy that was. That was

682
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 1: fascinating to me because yeah, I coulda talk to that

683
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:35,720
Speaker 1: guy forever. That was fascinating to me because after five

684
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:39,600
Speaker 1: I mean that was some heavy, fucking heavy, serious crazy

685
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:43,280
Speaker 1: thing like an ounce of weed a day for five years,

686
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 1: fucking infusing weed into every clear I mean, that's crazy

687
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:50,880
Speaker 1: to me to be on that high level of addiction

688
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:55,960
Speaker 1: and then only after two months be talking the way that.

689
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Speaker 1: You know, that guy was talking to me for the

690
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Speaker 1: half hour, seeming like he was a good place. I

691
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:04,360
Speaker 1: was impressed by that. Gives me hope that, you know,

692
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:08,600
Speaker 1: I can go to Reese's rehab and you know, two

693
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:12,479
Speaker 1: months sober from the cups, we'll see he may look,

694
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Speaker 1: I'm sure, I'm sure there's many people listening to this

695
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:19,520
Speaker 1: who could call him with counterpoints. But he made he

696
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:22,920
Speaker 1: made rehab sound really fun. I don't know what kind

697
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:26,839
Speaker 1: of rehab he was in, but I kind of want

698
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:31,200
Speaker 1: to get addicted to meth right now so that I

699
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:37,160
Speaker 1: can go go karting. Indirectly as a result of that, Yes,

700
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:40,200
Speaker 1: I know, I could just go to the go kart

701
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:43,520
Speaker 1: place and give them twelve dollars and not have to

702
00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:47,399
Speaker 1: get addicted to meth. That there's other ways to go

703
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:54,759
Speaker 1: go karting, and so I'll do that, all right, Thank

704
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 1: you again, Ben. Hello, folks, it's the middle of the

705
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Speaker 1: episode and I just wanted to remind you all again.

706
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 1: I know I've said at it before, and I know

707
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 1: I won't shut up about it, but it's just because

708
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:07,120
Speaker 1: I'm so filled with excitement and love. I want to

709
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:08,879
Speaker 1: remind you all that I am on tour this year

710
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:11,680
Speaker 1: in several cities across the world. I'm going all over

711
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 1: Europe soon and you can check therapy geckotour dot com

712
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:18,799
Speaker 1: or find the link in the episode description to get

713
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:22,759
Speaker 1: tickets now and see what cities specifically I will be in.

714
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 1: That's therapy geckotour dot com.

715
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Speaker 3: Okay, thanks Paul from Amy, Hello, Hello is this Lyle?

716
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 1: Yes? It is.

717
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:39,040
Speaker 3: Oh my goodness, there's no one forwarding your call this time.

718
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:41,440
Speaker 1: What's going on?

719
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:48,759
Speaker 3: Well, there's several things, okay, one of them being my

720
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:50,360
Speaker 3: dad wants me to start a food truck.

721
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 1: Okay, your dad wants you to start a what kind

722
00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:04,040
Speaker 1: of food truck? Are we talking taco funnel cakes, Sega.

723
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:06,080
Speaker 3: It's a snow cone truck.

724
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Speaker 1: Your dad wants you to start a snow cone truck.

725
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:13,239
Speaker 1: Is do you have a family snow cone business that

726
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Speaker 1: he wants you to take over?

727
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:16,719
Speaker 3: No, it's a franchise.

728
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Speaker 1: It's a franchise. Is it his franchise?

729
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Speaker 3: He has some in Virginia, but I'm in Denver and

730
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Speaker 3: he wants me to get one here.

731
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Speaker 1: Okay, how do you How do you feel about the

732
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Speaker 1: prospect of starting a snow cone business.

733
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Speaker 3: It's not my dream, all right, but it might get

734
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Speaker 3: me to my dreams.

735
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Speaker 1: What's your dream?

736
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Speaker 3: I would like to start a farm.

737
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 1: You like to start a farm? Okay? Well, I mean, look,

738
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Speaker 1: you could start the snowball business and think about it

739
00:36:55,280 --> 00:37:00,319
Speaker 1: like it's a snowball farm. You start with snowball and

740
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Speaker 1: then eventually you know dogs and shit.

741
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Speaker 3: That's one way to look at it.

742
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Speaker 1: Well, I'm you said that this that this snowball machine

743
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Speaker 1: will this snowball truck can get you closer to your

744
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:18,440
Speaker 1: farm dreams. How do you think it will do that?

745
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Speaker 3: From everything that I've heard from other franchise you use,

746
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:27,080
Speaker 3: it seems like a good way to make money and

747
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Speaker 3: I'm pretty young, so I don't really need to be

748
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Speaker 3: on any kind of fast track. But I will say

749
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Speaker 3: I also get some like climate anxiety, so I feel

750
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Speaker 3: like I need to do things quickly.

751
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:42,840
Speaker 1: You get climate exiet, like oh, that the world is

752
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:44,640
Speaker 1: going to freeze over and.

753
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:47,239
Speaker 4: We're all going to die stuff like that.

754
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

755
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Speaker 3: I don't think it's going to be one event that.

756
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 3: I think a lot of different events might culminate into

757
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Speaker 3: like something not great.

758
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Speaker 1: Well, I'll say this, if the climate changes and things

759
00:37:56,520 --> 00:38:01,200
Speaker 1: start getting like obscenely hot, great time to own a

760
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Speaker 1: snowball truck.

761
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Speaker 3: You know what. I didn't actually think about it that way.

762
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Speaker 3: That's a good point, lin. I don't thank you.

763
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Speaker 1: Mm hmmmm. And you know, I feel like you could.

764
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 1: You'll you'll be able to provide people a lot of uh,

765
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Speaker 1: you know, serenity before this comet hits us or whatever

766
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 1: the fuck's gonna happen. That's that's not a bad way

767
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:28,360
Speaker 1: to die, hit by a meteor while eating a skylight

768
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Speaker 1: snow cone.

769
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Speaker 3: I would love for it to be a quick impact.

770
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Speaker 1: Yeah, uh okay, So are I are you?

771
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Speaker 2: Like?

772
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Speaker 1: So you're a right? So your dreams start a farm

773
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:42,880
Speaker 1: and you're aware that that has some amount of like

774
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Speaker 1: upkeep costs, and you want to try to raise those

775
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Speaker 1: with the snow cone machine place.

776
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:54,800
Speaker 4: Yeah exactly, Okay, And.

777
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Speaker 1: Hell was I gonna say, are you like weighing this

778
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:07,680
Speaker 1: snow cone thing against like another way to make money?

779
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I am doing an IT certification right now, so

780
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 3: that's one option. But I don't know, then people are

781
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:24,239
Speaker 3: gonna yell at me. It seems nicer to like hand

782
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:28,799
Speaker 3: out snowcunes and not get yelled at.

783
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Speaker 1: Ah, you're afraid that people are gonna yell at you

784
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:31,880
Speaker 1: while you're handing out snow cones.

785
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:36,080
Speaker 3: Well, no, if I did, like it help desk, then

786
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 3: probably people would call me all day and I don't

787
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:39,480
Speaker 3: want that.

788
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:44,000
Speaker 1: Oh yeah it well it support It's true because here's

789
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:48,920
Speaker 1: the thing is, people will probably only be calling you

790
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:51,120
Speaker 1: if they are in a bad mood or if they

791
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Speaker 1: have a problem that's been frustrating them for a while,

792
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Speaker 1: and so you're going to get them in that mood.

793
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Speaker 3: Well, and the thing is, like, originally, when I was younger,

794
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Speaker 3: and for the longest time, I wanted to be a

795
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Speaker 3: therapist or counseling psychologist. Yeah, I am really good at

796
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:11,719
Speaker 3: having patience and communicating with people who are in that

797
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:14,400
Speaker 3: kind of state. But I do think it might be

798
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Speaker 3: more taxing than like manipulating children into eating sugar.

799
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Speaker 1: Ice. Do you look at uh, do you look at

800
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Speaker 1: a snow cone truck as manipulating children into eating sugar?

801
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Speaker 3: Yes, it's hard not to because my dad is the

802
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:35,920
Speaker 3: kind of guy to read like how to win friends

803
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Speaker 3: and influence people, and he's like, you need to compliment

804
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:42,040
Speaker 3: the children's shoes and then they'll want your snow cone,

805
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 3: or like you need flashing lights, And I'm like, that

806
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:49,719
Speaker 3: doesn't sound very ethical to me. But also, yeah, that's

807
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Speaker 3: the whole.

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Speaker 1: Thing I would stay for. You know, if I went

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Speaker 1: up to a snowball truck and there was you know,

810
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:01,080
Speaker 1: an old man in it giving me complements on my outfit,

811
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Speaker 1: I'd probably walk away.

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00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:06,239
Speaker 3: Well, children don't know any better.

813
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:11,279
Speaker 1: What do you have a favorite kind of snow cone?

814
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Speaker 3: You know what? I'm not gonna lie. I haven't had

815
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:20,000
Speaker 3: many of the flavors. I haven't really done a lot

816
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:23,520
Speaker 3: of the like I'm in Denver, so I haven't worked

817
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:25,560
Speaker 3: on my dad's talk very much.

818
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Speaker 1: But you don't sound like you like snow cones at all.

819
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Speaker 3: I don't know what I like. I'm gen z, so

820
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Speaker 3: I'm just kind of hate everything.

821
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Speaker 1: Okay, what job do you work now?

822
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Speaker 3: I'm in between jobs. I just got fired from a

823
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:46,759
Speaker 3: cafe because I was it was it was that was

824
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Speaker 3: a different story.

825
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:53,879
Speaker 1: But yeah, okay, I'm gonna look, I kind of look.

826
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Speaker 1: Here's here's what I'll say before we go. If you

827
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Speaker 1: need a mascot for your snowball machine, I'm down. I

828
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:06,400
Speaker 1: don't know how. I don't know if I inspire people

829
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:09,600
Speaker 1: to want to eat sugar. People actually people might look

830
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:11,560
Speaker 1: at me and go like, I don't I don't want

831
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:17,759
Speaker 1: to end up like that and avoid the sugar. But

832
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:20,400
Speaker 1: who knows. You call them get cones.

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Speaker 3: We could do that for a day if you have

834
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Speaker 3: a back in Denver. I actually saw your live show

835
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Speaker 3: when you.

836
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Speaker 4: Were here last So if oh hell.

837
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Speaker 3: Yeah, hell yeah my snowcone truck and watch kids play

838
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:36,920
Speaker 3: soccer or whatever it is they do, I would love that.

839
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Speaker 1: By the way, what kind of farm do you want? It?

840
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Speaker 1: Is it like a dog? Is like an animal farm

841
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:44,319
Speaker 1: or like a weed farm or like a I mean

842
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:45,680
Speaker 1: what kind of crops are we talking?

843
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Speaker 3: Yeah? I would love to have like community supported agriculture.

844
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:53,160
Speaker 3: So whatever crops are in season. I would love to

845
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:56,440
Speaker 3: share with the community for like a membership price, and

846
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:59,880
Speaker 3: then I would love to have a dairy with like

847
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:04,960
Speaker 3: healthy cows and potentially that we would also grow weed.

848
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Speaker 3: Who knows, But my main thing is like I want

849
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Speaker 3: to be self sustained and I want to be able

850
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:15,600
Speaker 3: to have a parallel structure to other things.

851
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:18,960
Speaker 1: Well, look, if you do this, you could just pretend

852
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:21,960
Speaker 1: like snowballs are in season. They're the in season crop

853
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:25,000
Speaker 1: and you're sharing them with your sharing the snowballs with

854
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:27,680
Speaker 1: the community.

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Speaker 3: I think I might be able to do that.

856
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Speaker 1: What is your name again, Amy? Right? Yes, well I

857
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:36,600
Speaker 1: am a good luck on your dream. Is there anything

858
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:38,480
Speaker 1: that you want to say to the people of the

859
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:39,400
Speaker 1: computer before we go?

860
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 3: I just would rather say to you. I've been trying

861
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:48,600
Speaker 3: to get on your line for like two years now.

862
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:52,040
Speaker 3: I remember watching you as parking of COVID and it's

863
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:53,799
Speaker 3: really exciting to talk to you. So thank you for

864
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 3: your time.

865
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Speaker 1: Thank you, Amy, I appreciate you. Have a good night.

866
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Speaker 3: Thanks you too.

867
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:01,480
Speaker 4: All From Seth.

868
00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:05,800
Speaker 1: Hello, Hi, Hello, Hey is this Seth?

869
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Speaker 4: This is Seth? Yes, Hello, Hi Harriet.

870
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Speaker 1: I'm all right, Seth. What well, what's going on with you.

871
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 4: Oh not much. I'm severing my first year anniversary at

872
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:23,640
Speaker 4: my first big boy corporate job tomorrow. That's pretty exciting.

873
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 1: Okay, well, this is the first year anniversary of the

874
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:28,120
Speaker 1: whole time you've been at your job.

875
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:31,280
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, I got the job last March seventh.

876
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:33,000
Speaker 1: All right, do you like it?

877
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:37,720
Speaker 4: I do for the most part. I like it's customer support,

878
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:42,960
Speaker 4: like online, but it's kind of turning into more so managing,

879
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 4: like the automation of customer support. So it can be fun.

880
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:50,279
Speaker 4: But people can be really rude sometimes even well it'sally online,

881
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:51,960
Speaker 4: but yeah.

882
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:55,680
Speaker 1: What's the what's the rudest thing somebody has said to

883
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:57,280
Speaker 1: you on this job?

884
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:03,759
Speaker 4: They I don't get as bad as my coworkers do,

885
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:06,400
Speaker 4: but I've definitely been told like that I'm a fucking

886
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:09,400
Speaker 4: idiot a lot, which is just funny. Usually it's not true,

887
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:12,040
Speaker 4: which it's usually on them. But I mean, what do

888
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:12,360
Speaker 4: I know?

889
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 1: Well, okay, I mean, be honest with me. Have you

890
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:17,319
Speaker 1: ever had somebody yell at you? You ever have you

891
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 1: had somebody yell at you and call you a fucking idiot?

892
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:22,160
Speaker 1: And you were like that was mean? But no, you

893
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:25,120
Speaker 1: were right. I was. I was I was being stupid.

894
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:28,480
Speaker 4: There there's been moments where I'm like, yo, I definitely

895
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:31,040
Speaker 4: did not know what this Like, I definitely messed up.

896
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:33,720
Speaker 4: I've definitely had messed up moments, but never with the people.

897
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:36,520
Speaker 4: It's always like really nice people. When I make a mistake,

898
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:39,360
Speaker 4: whenever they're me and I'm usually right. They're just usually

899
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 4: mad about like refunds. They're usually they're pretty silly. So

900
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:44,799
Speaker 4: like I tell them to do something three times in

901
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 4: a row because they just won't do it. They won't

902
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:49,160
Speaker 4: they do the right troubleshooting, and I can't help you

903
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:51,240
Speaker 4: if you won't do the right stuff.

904
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:54,799
Speaker 1: Now, why do you think these people are upset? What

905
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:58,360
Speaker 1: do you think happened to them in their lives to

906
00:45:58,480 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 1: make them want to yell at you.

907
00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:03,360
Speaker 4: I'm gonna be honest. I think they just went through

908
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:06,560
Speaker 4: a whole lot of nothing in their life. And I

909
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:09,960
Speaker 4: think they're very bored, and so I think they just

910
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:12,920
Speaker 4: chat based so just on a website. So I think

911
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:16,640
Speaker 4: they get very very bored and they just want to

912
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:18,280
Speaker 4: go pick a fight with someone.

913
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:23,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, well it's also the chat thing is is interesting

914
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:27,759
Speaker 1: because you know it's cathartic, Like you know, you had

915
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:31,520
Speaker 1: a bad like you had a bad day in your life,

916
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:33,880
Speaker 1: maybe you maybe every day of your life has been

917
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:37,279
Speaker 1: a bad day, and then you know they can take

918
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:39,400
Speaker 1: it out on you by typing fuck you into a

919
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:41,960
Speaker 1: chat and they don't even have to see how you

920
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:43,960
Speaker 1: react to it because they just text you it. They

921
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:48,080
Speaker 1: don't even see that you are upset, so they there's

922
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:51,839
Speaker 1: no yeah, so they don't even get they they get

923
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:54,919
Speaker 1: it's kind of a total win win situation for them

924
00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:59,040
Speaker 1: because they get to be mean and they don't get

925
00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:03,080
Speaker 1: the recoil of watching you cry, which might make them

926
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:06,160
Speaker 1: feel bad, So they get to be mean without feeling bad.

927
00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:07,560
Speaker 1: So I get, you know, I get why they do it.

928
00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:10,439
Speaker 4: But I guess it works out then really well because

929
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:13,240
Speaker 4: usually it doesn't affect us because it's like I'm sitting

930
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:16,840
Speaker 4: at home, working from home, just vibing, like I literally

931
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:19,160
Speaker 4: just click off in the chat and go watch a movie,

932
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:21,560
Speaker 4: so we're both spying. I guess I think it's the

933
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:24,840
Speaker 4: relief I get to chill, you know, so be it right.

934
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:27,400
Speaker 1: All right, So I'm listen. From what you're telling me,

935
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:30,759
Speaker 1: it sounds like getting yelled at on the internet has

936
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:32,960
Speaker 1: is a beautiful experience for everyone involved.

937
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:36,239
Speaker 4: I think it depends on the position you're in. I

938
00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:39,279
Speaker 4: think if you're if you have to be like like

939
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:41,040
Speaker 4: you know, it could have been your in your area

940
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:45,760
Speaker 4: of expertise, so it wouldn't be as beneficial for everyone.

941
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:48,759
Speaker 4: But I'm behind a computer screen as well, and like

942
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:51,520
Speaker 4: they don't interact with me, and I can. I can

943
00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:55,880
Speaker 4: very easily. I mean, it doesn't something affect me as

944
00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:58,759
Speaker 4: much as it could affect someone that's in the lime

945
00:47:58,880 --> 00:47:59,560
Speaker 4: light more so.

946
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:02,560
Speaker 1: Well, how do you don't know who I am?

947
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:02,960
Speaker 3: Like?

948
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:04,839
Speaker 4: They don't know who I am? Like they can't go

949
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:07,799
Speaker 4: to like all my different socials and just consistently blow

950
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:10,759
Speaker 4: me up for like years on end. They have one

951
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:13,440
Speaker 4: route of getting to me, and so I've blocked into

952
00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:15,440
Speaker 4: the one route. They kind of can't do anything.

953
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:18,759
Speaker 1: That's true, But can I ask, does any part of

954
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:23,720
Speaker 1: you like have you have you ever tried going into

955
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:27,360
Speaker 1: this like you know, honored to get yelled at? You

956
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:30,839
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like, like you're you're making these

957
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:35,040
Speaker 1: people happy by letting them brate you on the computer.

958
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:40,120
Speaker 4: I don't think it's an honored situation. There's some that

959
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:42,160
Speaker 4: I like go in because like my only other coworker

960
00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:46,480
Speaker 4: who handles them. She's a like middle aged woman and

961
00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:49,919
Speaker 4: a lot of people we get called into. And there's

962
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:51,520
Speaker 4: this one guy who calls in a lot who's very

963
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:55,480
Speaker 4: creepy to her, And so I take the honor of

964
00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:58,000
Speaker 4: taking his phone calls every time and dealing with him

965
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:00,680
Speaker 4: because he's just creepy to me. But if I can

966
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:02,160
Speaker 4: spend happening to her, you know.

967
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:08,200
Speaker 1: So you help your coworker and this this phone call guy,

968
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:09,600
Speaker 1: you give him someone to talk to.

969
00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:12,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I try to deflect him. I mean he

970
00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:15,719
Speaker 4: literally asked like meet up with her and asked her

971
00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:19,640
Speaker 4: what she's doing and how she's like just everything about her.

972
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:21,759
Speaker 4: So we just tried not to talk to him. But

973
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:24,160
Speaker 4: he has been paying our company for like five years,

974
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:25,480
Speaker 4: so it's a give and take, you know.

975
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:28,279
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, well I don't know. I don't I don't

976
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:29,680
Speaker 1: know what his life is. I don't know what any

977
00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:32,640
Speaker 1: of you guys' lives are, Like really.

978
00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:36,399
Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, I well, right now I'm to give

979
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:38,839
Speaker 4: you into my life. I'm living at home with my parents.

980
00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:42,680
Speaker 4: How to move back in a year ago last January. Yeah,

981
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:45,400
Speaker 4: well it is. I'm excited to move out again, but

982
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:46,720
Speaker 4: it's it's been fun.

983
00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:49,200
Speaker 1: What do you like your parents?

984
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:50,960
Speaker 4: I do you like my parents? Yes?

985
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:52,000
Speaker 2: I got lucky.

986
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:54,960
Speaker 1: Do you like What do you do you spend time

987
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:58,319
Speaker 1: with them while you're at home or do you try

988
00:49:58,360 --> 00:49:59,960
Speaker 1: to avoid them to play computer game?

989
00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:03,640
Speaker 4: I wouldn't say I tried to avoid them, but there's

990
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:05,319
Speaker 4: not much to do. I live in a we live

991
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:07,880
Speaker 4: in a very small town. Uh, and so I just

992
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:09,440
Speaker 4: do spend a lot of time in my room, just

993
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:11,879
Speaker 4: because if I were to interact with them all the time,

994
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:18,680
Speaker 4: we'd go crazy again, you know, mm hmmm hm, that's fair.

995
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:22,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, uh, you know I I I came back home

996
00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:26,080
Speaker 1: recently and it's been nice. I was on a walk

997
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:28,759
Speaker 1: with my mom today and I was like, you know,

998
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:32,920
Speaker 1: fuck me, I'm over here trying to like travel the

999
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:36,399
Speaker 1: whole world and do all this to do a big

1000
00:50:36,719 --> 00:50:38,000
Speaker 1: fucking podcast thing.

1001
00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:39,880
Speaker 4: And I'm like, yeah, oh no.

1002
00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:41,680
Speaker 1: I was on a walk with my mom that it

1003
00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:45,160
Speaker 1: was nice outside and my there was a dog and

1004
00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:48,400
Speaker 1: I was like, you know, this is this is enough? Really,

1005
00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:54,240
Speaker 1: this is plenty, This is good. This. I don't think

1006
00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:57,799
Speaker 1: this needs you know, I don't think I need. You know,

1007
00:50:57,840 --> 00:51:01,919
Speaker 1: hookers in ecstasy, maybe hookers next you would have would

1008
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:05,600
Speaker 1: make it nicer. I don't. I haven't. Yeah, don't go.

1009
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:08,160
Speaker 4: Ahead, like don't knock and you try it? Is that

1010
00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:09,240
Speaker 4: kind of what you're getting at?

1011
00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:10,800
Speaker 1: Sure i've tried ecstasy.

1012
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:14,480
Speaker 4: Oh okay, well then maybe you would know. Do you

1013
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:18,000
Speaker 4: think adding the hooker part would make it exponentially better?

1014
00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:20,680
Speaker 1: I don't know. I have no idea, that's the thing,

1015
00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:23,120
Speaker 1: but I really felt like it was it was everything

1016
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:24,320
Speaker 1: you were going to say something.

1017
00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:27,399
Speaker 4: Well, I you know, I'm just gonna ask, like being home,

1018
00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:29,359
Speaker 4: you know, if I if I can take over here

1019
00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:30,480
Speaker 4: for a second, do you think being home?

1020
00:51:30,719 --> 00:51:30,960
Speaker 1: For me?

1021
00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:33,359
Speaker 4: Being home has been in a small town, it's been

1022
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:36,759
Speaker 4: kind of like pausing, you know. I know I've been

1023
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:38,520
Speaker 4: here for much longer than you've been moved back home

1024
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:40,960
Speaker 4: I think, or living back home or whatever you doing

1025
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:43,120
Speaker 4: back and you're going to tour soon as you're probably

1026
00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:45,799
Speaker 4: staying with them, But have you kind of like been

1027
00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:48,879
Speaker 4: at a pause and like realize that you don't need

1028
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:51,800
Speaker 4: to be kind of go go go all the time.

1029
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:54,360
Speaker 4: Like given that we're young and trying to make a

1030
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:57,520
Speaker 4: name for ourselves, I think I've been trying to pause

1031
00:51:57,560 --> 00:51:58,919
Speaker 4: my life a little more and take it a little

1032
00:51:58,920 --> 00:51:59,319
Speaker 4: more slow.

1033
00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:03,120
Speaker 1: Since Yeah, I think, yeah, I think a pause is good.

1034
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:09,000
Speaker 1: I'm I don't know. I think I don't know. I

1035
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:10,920
Speaker 1: I actually can I tell you something. The other day

1036
00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:16,040
Speaker 1: I googled. I typed in what Seth? Your name is Seth?

1037
00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:20,480
Speaker 1: I typed into Google how to be happy. I swear

1038
00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:24,239
Speaker 1: to God, I did this in full earnest. I swear

1039
00:52:24,239 --> 00:52:25,880
Speaker 1: to God, I did it in full earnest because I

1040
00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:30,800
Speaker 1: don't know. And you know, part of me is SEE

1041
00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:35,360
Speaker 1: seeks happiness in uh, you know, going doing crazy whatever stuff,

1042
00:52:35,719 --> 00:52:37,680
Speaker 1: and then the other part is, like, you know, on

1043
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:40,000
Speaker 1: the walk with my mom, this is nice, this is enough,

1044
00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:41,600
Speaker 1: And I don't know. I think there's a lot of

1045
00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:47,879
Speaker 1: variables there that I'm not quite well.

1046
00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:54,560
Speaker 4: Happiness is hard to achieve, yeah, for everyone, sure, But

1047
00:52:54,800 --> 00:53:00,799
Speaker 4: I think there's some basic like ground building block to

1048
00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:03,120
Speaker 4: happiness that everyone can like rely on.

1049
00:53:03,640 --> 00:53:08,120
Speaker 1: Sure, Like for some people, what really truly brings them

1050
00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:13,000
Speaker 1: joy and happiness in life is to go on to

1051
00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:16,080
Speaker 1: chat rooms and yell at the people. YEA work in

1052
00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:19,960
Speaker 1: customer service, and and you and so you provide them,

1053
00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:23,640
Speaker 1: you know, with that happiness for a brief moment of time,

1054
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:24,640
Speaker 1: and I.

1055
00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:28,080
Speaker 4: Get to have a pretty easy job and take a

1056
00:53:28,120 --> 00:53:31,920
Speaker 4: pretty easy, you know, sensible paycheck, which makes me happy.

1057
00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:35,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, next time. So have you ever tried sending back

1058
00:53:35,200 --> 00:53:39,080
Speaker 1: a frowning emoji and seeing if they make they go like? Ah, Man,

1059
00:53:39,120 --> 00:53:41,000
Speaker 1: I made them feel bad? I should stand.

1060
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:44,440
Speaker 4: I haven't sent back a frowning emoji, but I have

1061
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:47,600
Speaker 4: sent that word for words the response I sent and

1062
00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:50,560
Speaker 4: made them angry because it was just the correct response.

1063
00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:53,840
Speaker 4: And I don't think that necessarily helps.

1064
00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:57,760
Speaker 1: M Well, I'm inspired. I'm gonna go yell at somebody

1065
00:53:57,760 --> 00:53:59,680
Speaker 1: in a customer service chat room and see how that

1066
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:02,560
Speaker 1: makes me feel. Okay, yeah, give, I might be what

1067
00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:03,560
Speaker 1: was missing in my life.

1068
00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:07,120
Speaker 4: Honestly, these people never come back, so they have to

1069
00:54:07,120 --> 00:54:09,359
Speaker 4: be like good then, right, they healed in a way,

1070
00:54:09,360 --> 00:54:10,240
Speaker 4: I guess.

1071
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:12,759
Speaker 1: Right right right? You know you healed these You healed

1072
00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:14,279
Speaker 1: these people. I like the way you're looking at it

1073
00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:14,640
Speaker 1: like that.

1074
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:16,520
Speaker 4: I crying for the positive.

1075
00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:19,000
Speaker 1: Then, Seth, is there anything you want to say to

1076
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:20,239
Speaker 1: the people of the computer before we go?

1077
00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:25,360
Speaker 4: You know, be honest, I found you in this podcast

1078
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:27,960
Speaker 4: not even five hours ago. So it just pleasure to

1079
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:30,520
Speaker 4: meet everyone, and uh, good luck on the tour. Man,

1080
00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:31,560
Speaker 4: I hope you kill it.

1081
00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:34,560
Speaker 1: Thanks man, how'd you find this? By the way, I'm

1082
00:54:34,560 --> 00:54:35,680
Speaker 1: just curious.

1083
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:38,640
Speaker 4: I was looking on Spotify for a new podcast and

1084
00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:42,800
Speaker 4: I was like twenty. I was like two three rows,

1085
00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:44,960
Speaker 4: like twenty different podcasts, and on the comedy podcast and

1086
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:46,680
Speaker 4: I saw this. I was like, you know what, I

1087
00:54:46,719 --> 00:54:50,040
Speaker 4: think I saw a short or an Instagram reel or

1088
00:54:50,080 --> 00:54:53,600
Speaker 4: something of you a year ago maybe, and I was like,

1089
00:54:53,680 --> 00:54:55,480
Speaker 4: I remember just being kind of fun. So I just

1090
00:54:55,520 --> 00:54:58,080
Speaker 4: tapped and listened to the most recent podcast you had

1091
00:54:58,200 --> 00:55:00,000
Speaker 4: with the demon guy.

1092
00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:05,760
Speaker 1: Oh, yes, yes, yes, I hope he's.

1093
00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:07,200
Speaker 4: Not something demons. I hope he's given a break for now,

1094
00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:09,200
Speaker 4: at least just a nice week's break.

1095
00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:11,080
Speaker 1: Thanks for calling, Seth.

1096
00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:12,920
Speaker 2: You're welcome. Have a good day.

1097
00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:19,279
Speaker 1: Some people like going on walks. Some people yell at

1098
00:55:19,320 --> 00:55:22,000
Speaker 1: folks in chat rooms. Some people summon demons. There's no

1099
00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:26,960
Speaker 1: wrong answers. There's no wrong answers. Beacon goes on the

1100
00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:28,840
Speaker 1: line making your phone calls.

1101
00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:29,480
Speaker 4: Every night.

1102
00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:32,920
Speaker 1: Every Beacon goes to his hide. He's teaching you aloud

1103
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:35,600
Speaker 1: in the mid of your life. But he's not really

1104
00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:36,400
Speaker 1: an expert.