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Speaker 1: On the Bechdelcast, the questions asked if movies have women

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Speaker 1: and them, are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands

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Speaker 1: or do they have individualism? It's the patriarchy, Zephyn Beast,

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Speaker 1: start changing it with the Bechdel Cast.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Last Podcast.

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Speaker 3: If only right? What a sigh of relief.

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Speaker 2: We're the last one.

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Speaker 3: We're the final one. We did it.

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Speaker 2: We're the only one left.

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Speaker 3: That is okay, just spoilers for the movie right away.

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Speaker 3: And if we released all the podcasts from the ocean,

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Speaker 3: would that be a force of good? Is the question?

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Speaker 3: It really depends. That's a lot of different kinds of unicorns.

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Speaker 3: We're talking true, but we are. Yes, We're the last podcast.

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Speaker 3: My name is Jamie Loftis.

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Speaker 2: My name is Caitlin Dorante. This is the Bechdel Cast,

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Speaker 2: our show where we examine movies through an intersectional feminist

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Speaker 2: lens using the Bechdel test. Simply us a jumping off

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Speaker 2: point a podcast unicorn. You could say, exactly and then

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Speaker 2: whatever is the Bechdel test, Jamie.

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Speaker 3: Well, I'll tell you it is a media metric created

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Speaker 3: by a unicorn in her own rights. The one and

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Speaker 3: only Alison Bechdel in her old comic strip Di Likes

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Speaker 3: to Watch Out For. It was a one off joke

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Speaker 3: in the eighties that was meant to draw attention to

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Speaker 3: the fact that there were no queer love stories between

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Speaker 3: women on screen. It has since been adapted into a

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Speaker 3: mainstream media metric. There's a lot of versions of this test.

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Speaker 3: Our version of the test requires the following two characters

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Speaker 3: with names of a marginalized gender speaking to each other

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Speaker 3: about something other than a man for two lines of dialogue.

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Speaker 3: And I feel like the movie rere Covering Today is

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Speaker 3: in conversation with the Bechdel the Bechdel Test, obviously the

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Speaker 3: Bechdel cast in a very interesting way. Yeah, I have

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Speaker 3: to say, like right out the jump and then we'll

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Speaker 3: get our guests in here, because I'm very, very excited.

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Speaker 3: There were so many lines in this movie that had

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Speaker 3: me like flat on my back, where you're like, people

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Speaker 3: are just saying things in this movie. It is so

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Speaker 3: I think my favorite line that I could not have

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Speaker 3: the Magician around the fire and offers him a taco

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Speaker 3: and You're like, that is anyways, that's gonna be people

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Speaker 3: surprise you all the time. That's and that's sort of

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Speaker 3: what this movie is about. So let's true, let's get

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Speaker 2: Yes, let's She is a writer Bookdula, founder of the

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Speaker 2: Cannabis Literary event series The Lit Club, and author of

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Speaker 2: the book Honey is the Knife. It's Hannah Echo. I'm welcome,

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Speaker 2: Thank you for having me, thanks for being here.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. I also remember that line, and I was like, huh,

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Speaker 4: I'm like, maybe that's more explained than the book, Like

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Speaker 5: It's like a taco very could be. Yeah, No, I

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Speaker 5: was eating tacos. I don't know. It's a mystery. I

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Speaker 2: The thing that really knocked me flat on my ass

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Speaker 2: was the entire Butterfly song. Yes, it's just like, what

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Speaker 3: We don't know, sir, we don't know.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, there's a lot of riddles.

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Speaker 4: Yes, the cats, the butterfly, the skeleton.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so that seems to be a major motif.

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Speaker 3: Yes, we are. I guess we should have said we're

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Speaker 3: covering The Last Unicorn nineteen eighty two. However, we're so

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Speaker 3: I I was so taken by this movie, and we

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Speaker 3: want to know what your history with it is.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so I wrote about this some years ago.

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Speaker 4: I immigrated to California when I was four years old,

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Speaker 4: so I hadn't met my parents. Well, i'd been with

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Speaker 5: I feel there are certain things that only certain.

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Speaker 2: I like the two movies that really resonated with you

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Speaker 2: So, yeah, Jamie, what's your relationship if any with this.

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Speaker 3: I had never seen it before. I don't think for

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Speaker 3: I was really interested as like an animation history dork.

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Speaker 3: Meister Burger, et cetera. Yeah, this movie, Like, I really

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Speaker 3: what is your history with The Last Unicorn?

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Speaker 2: I saw this movie in college during the Great Caitlyn

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Speaker 5: I know it.

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Speaker 3: Like I just love this movie is so silly. I

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Speaker 2: It's so bizarre. But uh yeah, I hadn't retained much

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Speaker 3: Let's do it.

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Speaker 2: Here is the recap of the Last Unicorn in nineteen eighty.

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Speaker 3: Two, and Hannah feel free to jump in whenever I

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Speaker 3: feel like there's just like, there's so much going on. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: there's five thousand characters.

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Speaker 4: There are, and I love it for That's also one

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Speaker 4: Here comes Mommy, Yes, Mommy, Fortuna yeah, Fortuna yeah, and

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Speaker 2: Yes, a feminist icon. The harpy. The unicorn begs Mummy

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Speaker 5: It's such a good death. Yeah, arms wide.

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Speaker 3: I love the Unicorn. She the things that many things

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Speaker 2: castle Shamandrek is like, I'll be your wizard, Molly Grew

434
00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:05,639
Speaker 2: will be the cook.

435
00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:08,919
Speaker 3: Yeah, Molly just has to start working. I was like,

436
00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:12,560
Speaker 3: why can only a Malfia stay for free? It feels

437
00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:17,560
Speaker 3: like there's there's a sinister classist looks based hierarchy going

438
00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:18,040
Speaker 3: on here.

439
00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:24,959
Speaker 2: Yeah. And then prince Lear takes a liking to Amalfia

440
00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:27,560
Speaker 2: and he tries to show her how much of a

441
00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:30,120
Speaker 2: hero he is, but.

442
00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:33,520
Speaker 3: He's kind of like de Doy, like He's like, I

443
00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:36,359
Speaker 3: couldn't decide how I felt about prince Lear. I spent

444
00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:40,000
Speaker 3: a good chunk Once prince Lear entered. I became full

445
00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:43,399
Speaker 3: body terrified that she was going to be a woman forever.

446
00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:45,680
Speaker 3: She's gonna have to marry this guy whose only song

447
00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:48,520
Speaker 3: is about how he can't write.

448
00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:53,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, it almost gets there, but then everyone's like, that's

449
00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:56,000
Speaker 2: a horrible ending to this story. Let's not do that,

450
00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:58,920
Speaker 2: and they're like, okay, exactly, let's do something else. But yeah,

451
00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:00,680
Speaker 2: he's trying to show her how much of a hero

452
00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:04,920
Speaker 2: he is. Amalthia is like, oh, so you killed a dragon.

453
00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:10,720
Speaker 2: That don't impress me much, and she is not into it. Also,

454
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:15,080
Speaker 2: this human body, it's no good for the unicorn, and

455
00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:17,119
Speaker 2: she starts to kind of lose her sense of self

456
00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:19,639
Speaker 2: and she starts to forget what she's even trying to

457
00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:25,560
Speaker 2: do at this fortress. Meanwhile, there's a pirate cat.

458
00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:29,400
Speaker 3: Don't worry about it. Don't worry about it, don't ask

459
00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:32,240
Speaker 3: any questions, And of course he only speaks in riddles.

460
00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:33,080
Speaker 3: Don't worry about it.

461
00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:36,480
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, yes. He knows that Amalthia is actually

462
00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:40,280
Speaker 2: a unicorn, and he tells Molly Grew how to find

463
00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:43,119
Speaker 2: the red Bull so that they can defeat it, except

464
00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:46,000
Speaker 2: he doesn't tell them directly. He speaks in riddles.

465
00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:48,280
Speaker 3: And this is when Molly Grew kind of enters her

466
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:54,840
Speaker 3: Defending Men story arc, where she's like, come on, date,

467
00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:59,359
Speaker 3: prince like lear and you're like, why what at least,

468
00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:02,360
Speaker 3: because I mean, I feel like the fear that you're

469
00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:05,520
Speaker 3: seized by is like knowing how the Little Mermaid ends

470
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:09,240
Speaker 3: and knowing that she does choose to remain a person.

471
00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:12,080
Speaker 3: But at least that movie had the decency to make

472
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:15,320
Speaker 3: Prince Eric hot and charismatic, which I would say is

473
00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:17,919
Speaker 3: not something that Maybe not what I would say of

474
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:23,920
Speaker 3: Prince Lear necessarily he's a bit of a dud. I

475
00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:25,680
Speaker 3: would not be changing species for him.

476
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:29,160
Speaker 2: No, But what I do like about this series of

477
00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:32,960
Speaker 2: story beats is he's like, look how much of a

478
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:37,200
Speaker 2: man I am. Look at me besting ogres and slaying

479
00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:39,960
Speaker 2: dragons and blah blah blah, and Amalthia is like, I

480
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:43,240
Speaker 2: don't give a single shit about that. And then he's like, Okay,

481
00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:45,880
Speaker 2: I'll change my tactic. I'll write you a poem.

482
00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:49,760
Speaker 3: And he's like, I don't any he's bad at it, But.

483
00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:53,719
Speaker 2: That works for her. She's like, oh, you're you're, you know,

484
00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:57,399
Speaker 2: expressing your feelings and thoughts with your words and and

485
00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:01,840
Speaker 2: showing affection and clearly communicating with me. That works for me,

486
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:06,600
Speaker 2: not you slaying a bunch of dragons and shit. So

487
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:07,720
Speaker 2: I do like that.

488
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:10,320
Speaker 3: I'm not I'm not into it. I'm not into it.

489
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:12,439
Speaker 3: I'm like, we gotta we gotta raise the bar. We

490
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:13,159
Speaker 3: gotta raise the bar.

491
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:16,919
Speaker 5: Yeah, maybe we can't.

492
00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:20,040
Speaker 3: We can't be I mean, look, this happens all the time,

493
00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:22,480
Speaker 3: but marrying the first person who manages to sort of

494
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:26,160
Speaker 3: effectively communicate, it's like, we come on, keep it coming.

495
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:29,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I don't disagree, but.

496
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:32,280
Speaker 3: I but I for the time, especially because this comes

497
00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:36,280
Speaker 3: out well before the Disney Princess Renaissance, where we have

498
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:39,720
Speaker 3: very little of that. Yeah it is. It is cool

499
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:40,199
Speaker 3: to see.

500
00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:42,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, So the poem works on her and she likes

501
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 2: him now, and then they kiss and they're also singing

502
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:48,000
Speaker 2: a song at each other and the song is not

503
00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:53,040
Speaker 2: very good. Then King Haggard approaches Amalthea to be like,

504
00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:57,200
Speaker 2: I know what you are. You should join the other

505
00:27:57,400 --> 00:27:59,920
Speaker 2: unicorns that I have cast into the sea.

506
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 6: I love this scene because she's like, oh funny, lol, no,

507
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:10,440
Speaker 6: I'm not a unicorn, but also, oh my god, what

508
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:11,480
Speaker 6: the fuck did you do?

509
00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:13,720
Speaker 3: And he's like, by the way, he's not my son.

510
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:17,160
Speaker 3: Also I did this, and then he says, don't make

511
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:20,720
Speaker 3: fun of me, Like, what the hell is this? I

512
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:21,560
Speaker 3: loved it.

513
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:26,760
Speaker 2: It was hilarious. Then Amalthea, Schmendrick, and Molly Grew begin

514
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:30,520
Speaker 2: to follow the Cat's riddle, starting with talking to a

515
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:37,240
Speaker 2: skeleton who is a whino. He is, I don't know

516
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:39,760
Speaker 2: what's going on with him, but I love the skeleton.

517
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:42,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, couldn't couldn't have loved him more he could me.

518
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:47,400
Speaker 3: It sounded like Nathan Lane maybe wasn't available, but like

519
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:49,560
Speaker 3: that was what the performance was.

520
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:50,880
Speaker 2: I had the same thought.

521
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, Renee ab oh he's odo on Deep Space nine. Okay,

522
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:01,720
Speaker 3: that actually helps if you're a stark head, which Peter

523
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:04,360
Speaker 3: Beagle was. He wrote an episode of Star Trek TNG

524
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:06,880
Speaker 3: in the nineties. Very cool.

525
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 2: Okay, So they're talking to the Skelington and he tells

526
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:16,360
Speaker 2: them that they need to walk through this big clock.

527
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:20,600
Speaker 2: So they do, but then he narcs on them, the

528
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:25,480
Speaker 2: skeleton does, and King Haggard starts chasing them. Prince Lear

529
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:29,720
Speaker 2: shows up to be like, hey, I'm Aalthia. I love you.

530
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:32,640
Speaker 2: Where are you going? Were you gonna leave me? And

531
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:36,280
Speaker 2: she's like no, I love you too. Actually, I don't

532
00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:39,320
Speaker 2: even want to turn back into a unicorn anymore. I'll

533
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:42,360
Speaker 2: just stay a human and be with you. Prince Lear

534
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:45,680
Speaker 2: and then everyone else is like, what the fuck, don't

535
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 2: do that. We have to stay We're on a quest

536
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:51,040
Speaker 2: to save the unicorns, let's keep going.

537
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:54,400
Speaker 3: I appreciate that. I mean, I know there's a lot

538
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:56,920
Speaker 3: of ways to view that, but I really thought that

539
00:29:57,040 --> 00:29:59,120
Speaker 3: was a very effective story beat where it's like she

540
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:01,880
Speaker 3: has lost faith herself and it almost seems like, let

541
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:05,000
Speaker 3: me stay with what's easier and more comfortable.

542
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:09,920
Speaker 4: And then are good friends like now they're likeicorn.

543
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:13,080
Speaker 3: Even Prince Dude is like, because that would be, you know,

544
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:15,479
Speaker 3: probably what would have made him more happy. But he's like, no,

545
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:17,200
Speaker 3: it's not it's not how it goes. We got to

546
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:17,840
Speaker 3: get the Red Bull.

547
00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:20,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, we gotta get their head, gotta get the the

548
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:25,040
Speaker 2: monster energy drink. Then the Red Bull, speaking of shows

549
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:30,600
Speaker 2: up and starts chasing them. Schmendrick turns Amalthea back into

550
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:33,560
Speaker 2: a unicorn, and I'm not totally sure why he does

551
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:37,000
Speaker 2: this in this exact moment, but now the Red Bull

552
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:41,840
Speaker 2: is chasing her even harder. Prince Lear is like, well,

553
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:45,040
Speaker 2: I'm a hero, remember, so I'll help, but then he

554
00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:49,160
Speaker 2: gets knocked out immediately. I loved that. Then the unicorn

555
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:53,880
Speaker 2: decides to fight back against the Red Bull, and this

556
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:58,560
Speaker 2: seems to empower the other unicorns who had been trapped

557
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:02,000
Speaker 2: in the sea to re emerge.

558
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:05,000
Speaker 3: What a beautiful shot. I loved it.

559
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:09,200
Speaker 2: And then the Red Bull is defeated. The unicorns escape

560
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:13,880
Speaker 2: from the water to their freedom, all while King Haggard's

561
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 2: fortress crumbles to the ground, and I'm like, okay, a

562
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:22,440
Speaker 2: fantasy movie where Christopher Lee plays an evil man with

563
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 2: a long white beard who lives in a sinister looking tower,

564
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:27,720
Speaker 2: who is defeated at the end of the story. What

565
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:30,480
Speaker 2: is this Lord of the Rings the Two Towers?

566
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:35,040
Speaker 3: WHOA, yeah, it's true, it's true. I do like that.

567
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 3: There's like a single shot of Prince Lear looking at

568
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:40,640
Speaker 3: where the castle crumbles and like, I don't know what

569
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:43,720
Speaker 3: is intended, but my head canon, he's like, well, well,

570
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:48,680
Speaker 3: I gotta find a new place to live. All my

571
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 3: stuff it's gone.

572
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:56,720
Speaker 2: Yep, And then Prince Lear says goodbye to the others.

573
00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 2: The d new mall if you will, is that Schmndrick

574
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:06,480
Speaker 2: is a true wizard. Now, Molly Grew is like, well,

575
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 2: I'll just hang out with him because I left my

576
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:13,440
Speaker 2: husband nothing for Molly Grew like, yeah, okay, what the

577
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 2: hell is her arc nothing.

578
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:19,240
Speaker 3: The unicorn doesn't even say goodbye. The unicorn like she doesn't.

579
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 3: She doesn't do things to be nice. She does what

580
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 3: she needs to. Because Molly Grew's whole introduction is like,

581
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:27,080
Speaker 3: you haven't visited me since I was a girl. I'm

582
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:30,280
Speaker 3: so sad. The unicorn leaves without saying goodbye.

583
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:34,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, she just fucks off. But because she has lived

584
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:40,600
Speaker 2: life as a mortal human for a while, the unicorn

585
00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:46,280
Speaker 2: understands feelings like love and regret, and she is grateful

586
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:49,320
Speaker 2: for that. And she's also grateful that the other unicorns

587
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:53,440
Speaker 2: have been liberated so that they can freely roam the

588
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:57,640
Speaker 2: world again. And then the movie ends with the not

589
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:03,480
Speaker 2: the last Unicorn anymore, just a unicorn returning home to

590
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:05,000
Speaker 2: her forest.

591
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:07,680
Speaker 3: The and beautiful.

592
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:09,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, so that's the story.

593
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:16,600
Speaker 2: Let's take another quick break and we'll come back to discuss.

594
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:26,080
Speaker 2: And we're back, Hannah, what's sticking out to you?

595
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 3: Where would you like to start?

596
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 4: There's so much, you know, I was like thinking, of course,

597
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:35,560
Speaker 4: of the queer subtext, because there's so much I'm not

598
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:38,120
Speaker 4: sure about the author, Like, I feel like fantasy is

599
00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:42,600
Speaker 4: a very interesting genre and that it really is actively plumbing,

600
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:49,239
Speaker 4: like the universal like unconsciousness, you know, and archetypes. So

601
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:52,160
Speaker 4: what people are bringing in and what you bring to it?

602
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:53,320
Speaker 5: So whatever?

603
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:56,440
Speaker 4: I wonder what As a child I was like so

604
00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 4: attracted to and then as an adult I was like,

605
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:02,600
Speaker 4: you know, immediately my mind goes, okay, what do uniform

606
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 4: unicorns signify? That they are typically like they are these

607
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:11,480
Speaker 4: creatures that only appear to virginal young women, which of

608
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:16,120
Speaker 4: course is a patriarchal myth, but there is something beautiful

609
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:19,960
Speaker 4: about that. They're very untouched. They're very like, you know,

610
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:24,560
Speaker 4: there is this lore around like men cannot see them,

611
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 4: and that's why Molly grew so angry. She's like, I

612
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:29,520
Speaker 4: miss my chance. So I just I love that. I

613
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:33,520
Speaker 4: love that motif of who can see the unicorn. Of course,

614
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:36,399
Speaker 4: my mind immediately goes to like bisexual women. I was like, okay,

615
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 4: what about this is like I got bisexual woman. And

616
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:43,560
Speaker 4: the thing that always caught me though, is like when

617
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:46,239
Speaker 4: she thinks she's like I might a last I'm like, girl,

618
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:49,720
Speaker 4: you're in a forest by yourself, like did you not notice.

619
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:51,239
Speaker 5: You neither know the unicorns around you?

620
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:54,719
Speaker 4: Like that was also low weird to me, but yeah,

621
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 4: I felt like I started. Once the unicorn thing stuck,

622
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 4: I was like, okay, it's a bi sexual story is

623
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 4: about and enlightened bisexual tried to find and I was like, oh,

624
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:07,399
Speaker 4: the different people were like I know what you are,

625
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:10,239
Speaker 4: and then the men who are like, no, you're just this,

626
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:14,520
Speaker 4: you know, like that, there's something that felt very real

627
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:17,279
Speaker 4: about that, and even like she's kind of in this

628
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:23,560
Speaker 4: like menage TOOI with Mendrick and Molly grew, you know,

629
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:26,480
Speaker 4: and how he's like, you know, you brought up like

630
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:28,360
Speaker 4: the horny magic. There's so many places to go, but

631
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:33,000
Speaker 4: like the there's definitely something about the sexual, like he's

632
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:37,400
Speaker 4: constantly doing stuff around the sex, and it's like he's coming.

633
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:41,680
Speaker 4: He's like going from like a submissive soft boy is

634
00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 4: not using his full power to someone who's empowered in

635
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:48,200
Speaker 4: that magic. So yeah, there's so many places I don't know.

636
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:54,120
Speaker 2: I mean, well, yeah, since Schmendrick can see the unicorn

637
00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:57,440
Speaker 2: for what she is, and he is a man or

638
00:35:57,680 --> 00:35:59,320
Speaker 2: at least is coded that way.

639
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:00,239
Speaker 3: Maybe it's it's.

640
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:02,640
Speaker 2: Just because he has magic the way that a lot

641
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:04,680
Speaker 2: of these other men don't, but he can see her,

642
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:07,919
Speaker 2: so like, what does that say about him? We don't

643
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:10,840
Speaker 2: have to answer that question right now, but just a thought.

644
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:14,920
Speaker 3: I love how open it is though I really enjoyed.

645
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:18,360
Speaker 3: I mean, we talked about this many many many moons

646
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 3: ago when we covered The Little Mermaid of how there

647
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Speaker 3: is you know, a queer reading of The Little Mermaid

648
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:29,960
Speaker 3: as well, and I feel like that I don't know,

649
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:33,719
Speaker 3: these stories are so entwined and it's like we don't

650
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 3: really know what the intention is, but it doesn't really matter.

651
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:43,880
Speaker 3: Like and I found this letterboxed legend. Sally Jane Black,

652
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 3: who writes a lot about queer and trans representation in movies,

653
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 3: reviewed this movie and sort of said we can get

654
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:52,800
Speaker 3: in the description but said something similar that I feel like,

655
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 3: is you know, connected to why we talk about the

656
00:36:56,640 --> 00:37:01,280
Speaker 3: Bechdel Test in the first place, Where the themes in

657
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 3: this movie really resonated with a lot of people and

658
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:08,880
Speaker 3: a lot of kids, but a lot of queer and

659
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:12,879
Speaker 3: trans kids as well, and how like when you watch

660
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:14,920
Speaker 3: the movie, I mean, it makes total sense. And also

661
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 3: that there was not other representation present in media, and

662
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:23,239
Speaker 3: how this movie really appealed to Sally Jane Black as

663
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 3: a kid, because you know, she feel like she was

664
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:31,080
Speaker 3: seeing that kind of discomfort and frustration expressed in other

665
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:34,840
Speaker 3: children's media and was really drawn to it. So I've

666
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:37,960
Speaker 3: there's a lot that's been written about this movie, and

667
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 3: I mean everyone's perspective on it. I don't know, it's

668
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:43,239
Speaker 3: just that's like what's great about fantasy is it's so

669
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:46,880
Speaker 3: open that like you can you can find yourself in

670
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:49,640
Speaker 3: one of these characters.

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00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I find myself in this skeleton.

672
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, the Whyo skeleton. I really I really appreciated Molly Grew.

673
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 3: I think it was like just that her introduction, I mean,

674
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:06,320
Speaker 3: the unicorn. Obviously we were all trying to be the unicorn.

675
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 3: But I do think I'm more of a Molly crew type,

676
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:13,240
Speaker 3: but like her, I don't know that like an adult

677
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:16,200
Speaker 3: woman's like sadness and frustration and feeling like something is

678
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:19,560
Speaker 3: passed her by and like, but then also wanting to

679
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 3: be a part of the Unicorn's life and to help

680
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:25,360
Speaker 3: her however she can. I really appreciated how how quickly

681
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 3: I guess both of like both Molly and Schmndrick just

682
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:34,759
Speaker 3: totally bailed on their previous communities that weren't serving them

683
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:37,880
Speaker 3: and they're like, yeah, no, I'm going unicorn mode. Like

684
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:41,280
Speaker 3: Molly in particular because it seems like she's maybe lived

685
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:45,759
Speaker 3: with these like guys eating tacos her whole life, and

686
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:49,319
Speaker 3: she's just like see, like she emerges from behind a tree,

687
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:52,440
Speaker 3: She's like, yeah, they were chasing a ghost, like I was,

688
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:56,719
Speaker 3: I'm gonna I'm gonna chase a unicorn. I just the

689
00:38:57,080 --> 00:39:00,360
Speaker 3: friendship was and it could have gone so many I

690
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 3: don't know, like I appreciate how how much this movie

691
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:06,719
Speaker 3: sort of pushes back on Like I guess what I

692
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:10,520
Speaker 3: think of is like recognizable like Disney fairy tale style tropes.

693
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:11,759
Speaker 3: It's more complex than that.

694
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Speaker 5: Yeah, for sure.

695
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:16,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, this is definitely for the child who you know

696
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:19,640
Speaker 4: is already like you were saying, like kind of feeling

697
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:22,160
Speaker 4: like left out. There is something like I just think

698
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:25,120
Speaker 4: there's there's a lot of children, whether it's queerness or

699
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:29,279
Speaker 4: neurodivergence or whatever it is, where you're not quite there's

700
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:33,120
Speaker 4: something that you're not like, there's like a gap here

701
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:36,200
Speaker 4: that I'm not quite getting, you know, And I think

702
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:39,880
Speaker 4: kids know who they are and so they start you

703
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:42,879
Speaker 4: start to pick that up. And I think these kind

704
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:46,480
Speaker 4: of tales like really appeal to that feeling and appeal

705
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:50,239
Speaker 4: to you finding your people and it's just also like oh,

706
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:54,840
Speaker 4: it's like a struggling magician who you know, he's.

707
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:55,880
Speaker 5: Trying, but it's not happening.

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Speaker 4: Mommy Fortuna is like not a great boss, right, She's

709
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:00,759
Speaker 4: like I llegal like said, I was like, this is

710
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 4: like sex trafficking, right, Like.

711
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:03,600
Speaker 2: She's she's a trafficker.

712
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:04,480
Speaker 1: Yeah.

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00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:07,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like she's just like yeah, and then with the heartbeat,

714
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:10,600
Speaker 4: which she's like, I know you're gonna kill me one day,

715
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:15,759
Speaker 4: like I know, but I'll be immortal too, because I'll you.

716
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:17,000
Speaker 2: Know, I'm leaving a legacy.

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Speaker 5: I'll be the only one. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: And I was like that's such an interesting and I

719
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:23,600
Speaker 4: like that. It was like it wasn't her femininity, right,

720
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Speaker 4: She's still evil, right.

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Speaker 5: Unfortunately she's a witch, I got, which.

722
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Speaker 4: We could have had a context for a positive, more

723
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 4: witch representation, but I appreciated that a lot.

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Speaker 2: I was trying to figure out what to make of

725
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:42,880
Speaker 2: Mommy for Tuna, because she is like very classic hag

726
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:49,440
Speaker 2: tropes are applied to this character and she's exploiting like

727
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 2: all the creatures around her, and I was like, Okay,

728
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:57,240
Speaker 2: I guess you could read this as like a woman

729
00:40:57,320 --> 00:41:00,440
Speaker 2: who's not an ally to other women, And if we

730
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:03,920
Speaker 2: kind of consider the unicorn and the Harpie as like

731
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:09,680
Speaker 2: women codd characters, because there are many women like that,

732
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Speaker 2: and she is perfectly willing to exploit other women. So

733
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Speaker 2: I'm just like, maybe that's what they're trying to do.

734
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:20,799
Speaker 2: I don't know, again, was this intentional? Did Peter s

735
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Speaker 2: Beagle have a strong understanding of these things?

736
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Speaker 3: I don't know. Peters speaking of Peter S Beagle because

737
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:34,200
Speaker 3: he is he's quite old now, he's in his eighties,

738
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:37,640
Speaker 3: but he is still alive with us and logged in

739
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:41,160
Speaker 3: and in fact, just an hour ago as we're recording this,

740
00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:47,640
Speaker 3: posted a picture of the giant titty tree, so he's

741
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:51,319
Speaker 3: still locked in. He captions it. The trees know how

742
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:54,680
Speaker 3: to let go beautifully. Maybe we can too. And it

743
00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:59,200
Speaker 3: is just as still of the magician motor boating the tree.

744
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:02,759
Speaker 3: But whatever, based on what I because I read it,

745
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:06,480
Speaker 3: I read a number of interviews with Peters Biegel, I mean,

746
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:09,440
Speaker 3: he's definitely an ally. I think he keeps his own

747
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:13,680
Speaker 3: his business, his business, but he has posted an I

748
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:17,279
Speaker 3: mean he posts for Pride month every month. He's a

749
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:21,719
Speaker 3: very vocal supporter of his queer fans and also just

750
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 3: very I don't know, I feel like fantasy novelists are

751
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:27,400
Speaker 3: like uniquely good with like interacting with their fan base

752
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:31,120
Speaker 3: as well, because I think about how much like George R. R.

753
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:33,800
Speaker 3: Martin comes to mind immediately of just like someone who

754
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:36,440
Speaker 3: very openly interacts with his fans and all that. But

755
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:40,680
Speaker 3: Peter Biegle, he from from what I can see, he

756
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:43,799
Speaker 3: seems to be like a very lovely person who who

757
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:47,440
Speaker 3: almost like doesn't really offer a lot of explanations on

758
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:53,120
Speaker 3: the various interpretations of his work, unlike some perhaps evil

759
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 3: fantasy writers out there.

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00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:56,400
Speaker 2: Oh turfy transphobic ones.

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00:42:56,800 --> 00:43:01,920
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, But I appreciated in like going through these

762
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 3: interviews with him that he's like, it means whatever you

763
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:06,440
Speaker 3: think it means, you know, like, and because that's like,

764
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:09,200
Speaker 3: you know, being a fantasy writer, being especially a writer

765
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:11,320
Speaker 3: who's writing for children, it's like you're not going to

766
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:14,840
Speaker 3: tell a kid what it means. I really appreciated his

767
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:18,359
Speaker 3: sort of outlook on that because this was a book

768
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:21,719
Speaker 3: that was published in the sixties and then yeah, it

769
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:26,319
Speaker 3: was published in sixty eight and then was later adapted

770
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 3: by It was so interesting if this was almost adapted

771
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:33,440
Speaker 3: by the animation company that did the Peanuts television specials

772
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 3: and then jumped over to Rank and Bass, who are

773
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:40,080
Speaker 3: all over the place. I don't like rank it. I

774
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:43,200
Speaker 3: don't really understand what what would make Rank and Bass

775
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:45,279
Speaker 3: do something versus not do it because it's so all

776
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:48,600
Speaker 3: over the place. But I really loved it. I don't know.

777
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:52,920
Speaker 2: Yeah. And then just a few years ago, in twenty

778
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:58,440
Speaker 2: twenty three, Peter Beegele published I think It's two novellas

779
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:01,520
Speaker 2: that take place in this world as the last Unicorn

780
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:05,240
Speaker 2: called the Way Home, so he like revisited this world.

781
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:09,600
Speaker 2: I think a lot of the same characters make appearances,

782
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:16,440
Speaker 2: particularly Schmendrick, molly Grew, and I think Prince Lear are

783
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:20,759
Speaker 2: in these two novellas. I don't know much beyond that,

784
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:23,600
Speaker 2: but listeners, if you like this world and you like

785
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:27,160
Speaker 2: these characters, those books might be worth checking out.

786
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Speaker 3: I can't get over that he posted the Titty Tree

787
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:33,759
Speaker 3: an hour ago, Like what a way to find out

788
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:34,920
Speaker 3: someone is still alive?

789
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:37,400
Speaker 5: It's like still kicking.

790
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:40,080
Speaker 3: That is so funny, amazing.

791
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:43,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, and that scene, you know, was very again like

792
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:46,640
Speaker 4: I feel like subcoded, you know, I mean, just like

793
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 4: it reminded me of I'm a big like wonder Woman

794
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:53,760
Speaker 4: fan William Moulton Marston is a creator a wonder Woman,

795
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:58,640
Speaker 4: and he actually during his lifetime he had my two wives.

796
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:00,440
Speaker 4: They all lived like in the same house, and he

797
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:03,719
Speaker 4: was in a very interesting relationship of like feminine empowerment

798
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:07,319
Speaker 4: and like when you see like a wonder room of

799
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:09,719
Speaker 4: like the lasso and she's always getting like tied up.

800
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 4: It's like very kink coded. And it's the point where

801
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:15,920
Speaker 4: his like bosses, like the comic book were like, you

802
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:17,880
Speaker 4: need to stop, like it's getting out of hand.

803
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:20,320
Speaker 5: We get what you're doing. No one's fooled.

804
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:24,120
Speaker 4: So there is something to be said about Like again,

805
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:25,960
Speaker 4: I just couldn't Like God, I was like once I

806
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:28,319
Speaker 4: had the bisexual thing, I was like, I'm gonna go

807
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:28,520
Speaker 4: with it.

808
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:30,319
Speaker 5: I'm like, she is a bisexual.

809
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:35,319
Speaker 4: And there's even this part where prince Lear like I

810
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 4: also love to see like what people's desire, like how

811
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:42,759
Speaker 4: they interacted with her, right, So it's like Schremendrick is like,

812
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:45,640
Speaker 4: you're gonna give me a chance to prove my magic.

813
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:50,280
Speaker 4: Molly Grew has like her coming her late coming of age.

814
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:54,040
Speaker 4: Prince Lear kind of wants to possess her, is in

815
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:56,160
Speaker 4: love with her, but also isn't gonna sell what she is.

816
00:45:57,239 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 4: King Haggard definitely wants to possess her, and she's like

817
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:01,279
Speaker 4: her into the ocean.

818
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:03,560
Speaker 5: And I was like, oh, this is a very.

819
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:07,719
Speaker 4: Interesting relationship to bisexuality, and I think it mirrors the life.

820
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:10,880
Speaker 4: And there's a point where he says, Prince Larry's like

821
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:16,080
Speaker 4: he actually says the word mermaid. He's like unicorn, mermaid sorceress.

822
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:19,279
Speaker 4: I love who I love, Yeah, you know. And I

823
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:23,240
Speaker 4: thought that that was very telling about her own journey

824
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:24,520
Speaker 4: and what.

825
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:27,919
Speaker 5: She had to like his. That was like kind of his.

826
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:31,799
Speaker 2: Bisexual awakening pan sexual awakenings.

827
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Speaker 5: I think so, I think so so.

828
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:36,880
Speaker 4: I just I love that she was just this mirror

829
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:40,040
Speaker 4: to other people's stuff, you know.

830
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:44,120
Speaker 3: And that she didn't I that's so beautifully. But I

831
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:49,640
Speaker 3: really I don't know this damn unicorn. She like she

832
00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:52,560
Speaker 3: she is like this mirror to the people who she

833
00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:56,279
Speaker 3: meets along the way, but doesn't like submit to anyone's

834
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:58,560
Speaker 3: vision of who she is, which is part of why

835
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:03,600
Speaker 3: I think it's so cool when you know, Prince Dude,

836
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:09,279
Speaker 3: Prince Lear and and Schmandrick and Mollie all say like, no,

837
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:12,080
Speaker 3: you can't just stay a human now you need to

838
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:15,279
Speaker 3: like finish your journey, because they wouldn't have been able

839
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:17,480
Speaker 3: to do that if they hadn't met her. And I

840
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:20,160
Speaker 3: like that they had an like a vested interest in

841
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:23,080
Speaker 3: being like, now you need to, you know, go on

842
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:26,520
Speaker 3: your journey and be who you are. And yeah, that

843
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:30,880
Speaker 3: that moment where prince Lear just accepts her and it's

844
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:34,200
Speaker 3: like whoever, it doesn't it doesn't matter, So he has

845
00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:38,160
Speaker 3: his awakening, And I just love that this movie offers

846
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:42,040
Speaker 3: kind of a non prescriptive version of what love looks like,

847
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:45,120
Speaker 3: where it does still feel like it is a love

848
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:50,120
Speaker 3: story between the Unicorn and prince Lear, but you know,

849
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:53,600
Speaker 3: they can't beat together, but they love each other. And

850
00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:57,520
Speaker 3: you know, again it's like I adore the Little Mermaid

851
00:47:57,560 --> 00:47:59,640
Speaker 3: and always will. But that's like if we're we're holding

852
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:02,719
Speaker 3: the two aside each other. The Disney version of The

853
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:08,160
Speaker 3: Little Mermaid, obviously not the original version, ends in this

854
00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:12,480
Speaker 3: very you know, kind of prescriptive cis normative version of

855
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:17,480
Speaker 3: love and happiness, and the last Unicorn goes a completely

856
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:20,440
Speaker 3: different direction and it's like really affecting.

857
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:24,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, it kind of goes in like a Pocahontas direction

858
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:30,560
Speaker 4: where it's like you know, like the male character, he's

859
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:33,719
Speaker 4: going to be changed by his interaction, but he never

860
00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:36,840
Speaker 4: gets to possess, you know. And because she would have

861
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:39,520
Speaker 4: been changed, right, and she's like she sings that whole

862
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:43,320
Speaker 4: probably one of the weakest songs honestly, Now I'm a woman, Yeah,

863
00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:47,680
Speaker 4: because I love the America like songs Man's Road and

864
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:54,839
Speaker 4: the Last Unicorn Y, I like, it's just and it's

865
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:58,640
Speaker 4: just I find it beautiful, you know, And it's definitely

866
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:00,640
Speaker 4: a good like workout if you want to kind of

867
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:05,000
Speaker 4: you know, run and feel like you're openings like this

868
00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:07,080
Speaker 4: new vistas amazing, Like.

869
00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:08,920
Speaker 3: You are you become the unicorn?

870
00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:10,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, you really do.

871
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:13,160
Speaker 4: And it's like how he talks about the unicorn, like, oh,

872
00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:17,200
Speaker 4: she's kind of worn, but she's still there. But yeah,

873
00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:19,560
Speaker 4: I found I felt like they had a They're also

874
00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:23,040
Speaker 4: blonde men, which is interesting. So yeah, blonde men who

875
00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:27,720
Speaker 4: are kind of sheltered in their worldview who have this

876
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:34,520
Speaker 4: like entry interaction with a feminine aspect which is outside

877
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:39,600
Speaker 4: of their understanding of what life is, and then they

878
00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:42,440
Speaker 4: are changed. But then it's also like, but you're not

879
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:46,800
Speaker 4: going to get to be together, right and her also

880
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:51,399
Speaker 4: like from a unicorn to a woman and then her

881
00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:56,719
Speaker 4: immediately hating her, you know, her immediately being like oh

882
00:49:56,760 --> 00:49:58,560
Speaker 4: my god, I can feel this and dying like I

883
00:49:58,560 --> 00:49:59,080
Speaker 4: don't want to.

884
00:49:59,000 --> 00:49:59,799
Speaker 5: Be this, you know.

885
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:03,560
Speaker 4: And Molly grew also really understood that moment, like that

886
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:06,480
Speaker 4: was a very telling moment. I don't think I understood

887
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:09,880
Speaker 4: the significance of as a child is really what the

888
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:13,680
Speaker 4: movie is saying about immortality and what it's saying about

889
00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:18,359
Speaker 4: archetypes of energy, and so like, there's that part we

890
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:22,120
Speaker 4: talked about the hearpbee, the three breasted half woman, half bird.

891
00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:25,560
Speaker 5: But when she's like, you we pop to the same magic.

892
00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:27,520
Speaker 5: We're two sides of the same. And I was like,

893
00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:27,919
Speaker 5: oh yeah.

894
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:30,680
Speaker 4: It's like you have the unicorn, who kind of represents

895
00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:36,359
Speaker 4: the virginal, untouched, mystical female, and then you have like

896
00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:40,360
Speaker 4: the heartbee, right, who is like you put a heartpee anywhere.

897
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:41,919
Speaker 4: She's gonna ruin some shit.

898
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:42,080
Speaker 6: Right.

899
00:50:42,080 --> 00:50:44,239
Speaker 5: She even tries to kill a unicorn at one point.

900
00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:45,960
Speaker 5: She was like you just read her.

901
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:48,799
Speaker 4: Yeah, So it's like, but they're the same. She's like,

902
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:50,759
Speaker 4: we're the same. And even the unicorn is like I

903
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:54,120
Speaker 4: have to free her. I can't let her let this

904
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:57,920
Speaker 4: energy be caged, you know, And I thought that that

905
00:50:58,040 --> 00:51:00,600
Speaker 4: was also interesting, is that she wasn't incompetent Titian. She

906
00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:03,799
Speaker 4: didn't name her as evil. She was like, she too

907
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:06,440
Speaker 4: deserves to be free in this world.

908
00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:11,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just yeah, the Unicorn's approach to I feel

909
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:14,880
Speaker 3: like I've not really seen a lot of movies in general,

910
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:18,000
Speaker 3: but like especially children's movies that have a character that

911
00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:21,680
Speaker 3: is quite like her, where I'm like, maybe this is

912
00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:25,239
Speaker 3: just how I'm trained to view I don't know, like

913
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:29,080
Speaker 3: protagonists of children's movies or like women and children as

914
00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:32,759
Speaker 3: they're presented in media in general. But like I was

915
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:37,440
Speaker 3: always very pleasantly surprised. I guess when the Unicorn, you know,

916
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:42,200
Speaker 3: with the Harpy example of like she respects and sees

917
00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:46,000
Speaker 3: the Harpy, but doesn't feel that she owes her anything.

918
00:51:46,239 --> 00:51:48,560
Speaker 3: And it's not like they have to, you know, they're

919
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:51,000
Speaker 3: they're all going to oz or where, you know, like

920
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:54,279
Speaker 3: the idea that like they meet, they see each other,

921
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:56,839
Speaker 3: they have a strong respect and understanding of each other,

922
00:51:57,360 --> 00:52:00,239
Speaker 3: and then they can move on. It's just it's like

923
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:02,480
Speaker 3: not something I've seen very often.

924
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:03,439
Speaker 5: Ever.

925
00:52:03,560 --> 00:52:05,960
Speaker 3: I feel like, yeah, there is this feeling that every

926
00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:09,240
Speaker 3: character you meet you, You're like, okay, now I will

927
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:11,040
Speaker 3: you know, we have to take care of each other

928
00:52:11,080 --> 00:52:13,040
Speaker 3: now or whatever it is. But it's just this very

929
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:16,240
Speaker 3: I don't know, it almost feels like a religious figure

930
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:20,279
Speaker 3: that we get in the Unicorn where she just releases

931
00:52:20,600 --> 00:52:24,399
Speaker 3: you know, the creatures that she encounters. And then there's

932
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:26,760
Speaker 3: other characters that I'm like, what's going on with the

933
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:28,440
Speaker 3: pirate cat. I don't know.

934
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:32,120
Speaker 2: I wouldn't know a thing about that. I liked it.

935
00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:32,960
Speaker 5: I liked it.

936
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:35,319
Speaker 3: I was like, I'm not complaining, No.

937
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:37,080
Speaker 5: I do believe.

938
00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:40,120
Speaker 4: I think fantasy is very makes its home with that

939
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:43,719
Speaker 4: and that again it can have that feeling of like

940
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:47,640
Speaker 4: West the Western canon is very like you know Hero's Journey, right,

941
00:52:48,120 --> 00:52:51,160
Speaker 4: It's a set of initiation points really, that's all it is,

942
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:55,080
Speaker 4: and then you move to the end. But I did

943
00:52:55,120 --> 00:52:59,000
Speaker 4: appreciate that, Like again, I find this semmic life that

944
00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:02,040
Speaker 4: sometimes you meet these very strange characters in your life

945
00:53:02,080 --> 00:53:04,600
Speaker 4: and you know, sometimes you're like, I'm never going to

946
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:05,920
Speaker 4: talk to this person ever again.

947
00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:07,120
Speaker 5: But they will.

948
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:09,960
Speaker 4: How you'll think about them like years later, you know,

949
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:12,319
Speaker 4: maybe for the rest of your life about this thing,

950
00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:15,120
Speaker 4: like they just almost gave you this Jewel, and I

951
00:53:15,120 --> 00:53:17,319
Speaker 4: feel like fantasy is really a good place to deal

952
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:21,280
Speaker 4: with that, like the randomness of life, the magic of life.

953
00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:24,839
Speaker 4: I also love Schmendrick's journey because I think it really

954
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:28,640
Speaker 4: is about like becoming more in control of.

955
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:30,480
Speaker 5: Your sex magic.

956
00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:34,000
Speaker 4: You know, at first, he's like magic, do as you will,

957
00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:35,960
Speaker 4: and it's like, that's not a good spell.

958
00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:38,160
Speaker 5: You know you're going to need to bring.

959
00:53:38,040 --> 00:53:40,120
Speaker 2: Need to be more specific, perhaps, yeah.

960
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:43,680
Speaker 4: More specific and be more grounded. And he gets better

961
00:53:43,719 --> 00:53:47,440
Speaker 4: over time, you know, Like there's just there's just so

962
00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:52,320
Speaker 4: much happening with their journeys and with like what magic means.

963
00:53:53,719 --> 00:53:55,959
Speaker 4: I think what struck me that when I first wrote

964
00:53:55,960 --> 00:53:59,000
Speaker 4: about it a couple of years ago, was Molly grew

965
00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:04,400
Speaker 4: about the midlife awakening that we don't really talk about,

966
00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:06,080
Speaker 4: and I wish that she got a better arc.

967
00:54:06,600 --> 00:54:08,399
Speaker 5: Yeah, when I watched it again, I was like, Yeah,

968
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:09,200
Speaker 5: she kind of just like.

969
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:13,440
Speaker 4: Cleans and gives little tidbits, but there's really no change.

970
00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:16,240
Speaker 5: I'm like, what would her arc be, Like, what would

971
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:18,279
Speaker 5: her new like?

972
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:22,719
Speaker 4: She's clearly like she has been changed from this experience,

973
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:24,400
Speaker 4: but what does she change into?

974
00:54:24,560 --> 00:54:24,640
Speaker 5: Like?

975
00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:28,480
Speaker 4: Was that just too much for the creators of this

976
00:54:28,560 --> 00:54:32,080
Speaker 4: film to like hold, you know, because everyone else has

977
00:54:32,120 --> 00:54:35,440
Speaker 4: a very marked arc except for her.

978
00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:40,680
Speaker 2: To the extent where Peter Beegle admits that he like

979
00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:44,800
Speaker 2: forgot question mark or just like didn't bother with writing

980
00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:48,600
Speaker 2: much of a like detailed background for that character, and

981
00:54:48,719 --> 00:54:52,400
Speaker 2: how he was grateful that the voice actor Tammy Grimes,

982
00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:56,800
Speaker 2: who voices Molly Grew, brought life to the character on screen,

983
00:54:56,960 --> 00:55:00,840
Speaker 2: because he's like, whoops, I've kind of forgot to you know,

984
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:04,840
Speaker 2: give her any characterization in the story. So the author

985
00:55:05,239 --> 00:55:09,399
Speaker 2: acknowledged that she's but I think she's a character who

986
00:55:09,719 --> 00:55:14,600
Speaker 2: we can easily identify with, and I do wish that

987
00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:18,200
Speaker 2: there was more context given to like what compels her

988
00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:22,840
Speaker 2: to leave her husband and go on this journey. We

989
00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:25,920
Speaker 2: can you know, make assumptions, but I feel like there

990
00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:30,080
Speaker 2: could have been more just more writing around that, and

991
00:55:30,120 --> 00:55:34,440
Speaker 2: then like I would have liked to see more about like, Okay, well,

992
00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:38,440
Speaker 2: what does she what is she longing for that maybe

993
00:55:38,680 --> 00:55:43,040
Speaker 2: gets fulfilled by the end of the story or something.

994
00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:45,160
Speaker 3: But yeah, I would also, I mean, I just wanted

995
00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:49,040
Speaker 3: a place for her to land more than anything where

996
00:55:49,080 --> 00:55:52,640
Speaker 3: it's like like you're saying, like schmndrick, like there is

997
00:55:52,680 --> 00:55:55,600
Speaker 3: a clear end to everyone's arc, but we don't really know.

998
00:55:55,680 --> 00:55:59,080
Speaker 3: I mean, she if what she all she wanted was

999
00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:02,839
Speaker 3: to reconnect with this unicorn, and like the if in

1000
00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:07,359
Speaker 3: this context, the unicorn represents like innocence in childhood and

1001
00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:11,960
Speaker 3: like feeling this feeling of infinite possibility. She's made that connection.

1002
00:56:12,080 --> 00:56:15,279
Speaker 3: But but she doesn't even get a goodbye, like it's

1003
00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:18,200
Speaker 3: and we don't really know, like where does she go

1004
00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:21,400
Speaker 3: from here? We know that she's liberated herself from it

1005
00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:25,440
Speaker 3: seems like this, you know, bunch of losers she was

1006
00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:28,200
Speaker 3: spending her life with, which is like a reward in itself,

1007
00:56:28,239 --> 00:56:31,360
Speaker 3: and it's like I almost I don't know, Yeah, like

1008
00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:33,439
Speaker 3: I just I think if we just knew a little

1009
00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:35,640
Speaker 3: bit more about her, But I was. I was also

1010
00:56:35,719 --> 00:56:39,759
Speaker 3: very like touched by the performance and frustrated. I think

1011
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:42,120
Speaker 3: once once she gets to the castle, she just sort

1012
00:56:42,120 --> 00:56:44,879
Speaker 3: of is like, I like the prince, you're being mean

1013
00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:48,799
Speaker 3: to the prince. Stop yelling at schmndrick. And I was like, wait,

1014
00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:51,239
Speaker 3: but this is your girl, Like come on.

1015
00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:55,600
Speaker 2: I do appreciate that she is I would say more

1016
00:56:55,640 --> 00:57:00,520
Speaker 2: active than Amalthea in the back half of the at

1017
00:57:00,600 --> 00:57:03,280
Speaker 2: least because she's I don't even know if she seeks

1018
00:57:03,360 --> 00:57:08,920
Speaker 2: that cat out, but the cat's there, and she's like, okay,

1019
00:57:08,920 --> 00:57:11,480
Speaker 2: well where do I find the red Bull? And he

1020
00:57:11,520 --> 00:57:15,839
Speaker 2: gives his little riddle, and then it's Molly who is like, okay,

1021
00:57:15,840 --> 00:57:17,960
Speaker 2: we got to go find the red bull? Like what

1022
00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:21,080
Speaker 2: are we doing here? Even so, I appreciate that at

1023
00:57:21,160 --> 00:57:24,560
Speaker 2: least she is given some agency and is able to

1024
00:57:24,560 --> 00:57:27,240
Speaker 2: make some active choices that propel the story forward in

1025
00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:28,840
Speaker 2: a way that I'm not even sure they would have

1026
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:34,560
Speaker 2: been propelled forward if left to like Amalthea's devices, because

1027
00:57:34,600 --> 00:57:38,320
Speaker 2: she's just like, well, I guess I'm content to stay

1028
00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:42,080
Speaker 2: here with Prince Lear, who I love now, I guess.

1029
00:57:42,680 --> 00:57:45,280
Speaker 2: And I want to talk more about that too, because

1030
00:57:45,880 --> 00:57:48,400
Speaker 2: someone mentioned earlier about like, well, it's that sort of

1031
00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:55,680
Speaker 2: metaphorical for a woman who's sort of agency has been

1032
00:57:55,720 --> 00:57:58,880
Speaker 2: stripped from her and is kind of on the brink

1033
00:57:58,880 --> 00:58:02,760
Speaker 2: of giving up, or like what does that mean? Why

1034
00:58:02,800 --> 00:58:07,120
Speaker 2: does she? Why is she content to sort of abandon

1035
00:58:07,200 --> 00:58:10,040
Speaker 2: her journey of finding the other unicorns and finding her

1036
00:58:10,080 --> 00:58:14,760
Speaker 2: people and just being content to live as a mortal

1037
00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:19,120
Speaker 2: human with this guy who she just met, who doesn't

1038
00:58:19,160 --> 00:58:22,480
Speaker 2: know how to really identify with her.

1039
00:58:22,840 --> 00:58:25,360
Speaker 3: I had a feeling about that that I don't know,

1040
00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:30,000
Speaker 3: maybe it's again like being overly forgiving of what could

1041
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:32,160
Speaker 3: have been a story plot. But that's like right where

1042
00:58:32,280 --> 00:58:34,520
Speaker 3: that's the moment where either you're like, Okay, this is

1043
00:58:34,520 --> 00:58:37,120
Speaker 3: the moment where it becomes the Little Mermaid, or it doesn't,

1044
00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:41,120
Speaker 3: like Disney's The Little Mermaid and it doesn't. I really,

1045
00:58:41,240 --> 00:58:43,720
Speaker 3: I don't know. It's not my favorite story beat. But

1046
00:58:43,880 --> 00:58:48,160
Speaker 3: I almost like interpreted that moment of her. It was

1047
00:58:48,200 --> 00:58:52,160
Speaker 3: like a fear based decision, like she was I don't

1048
00:58:52,200 --> 00:58:55,120
Speaker 3: know whatever, two things being true at once. She does

1049
00:58:55,760 --> 00:59:00,080
Speaker 3: really love and care for Prince Lear, and staying in

1050
00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:03,280
Speaker 3: this form with him is the easy choice in this moment.

1051
00:59:03,360 --> 00:59:07,080
Speaker 3: It's the choice that allows her to not go through

1052
00:59:07,120 --> 00:59:09,840
Speaker 3: the difficult process of understanding who she really is and

1053
00:59:09,880 --> 00:59:13,360
Speaker 3: not confront the big bad and you know, not do

1054
00:59:13,440 --> 00:59:17,160
Speaker 3: all these things that are important to do but also terrifying.

1055
00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:22,520
Speaker 3: And I don't know, I kind of not liked it,

1056
00:59:22,520 --> 00:59:24,800
Speaker 3: but like I feel like that that was how I

1057
00:59:24,840 --> 00:59:28,920
Speaker 3: read it, and that her friends who she you know,

1058
00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:32,720
Speaker 3: who had found themselves by knowing her, were like, no,

1059
00:59:32,840 --> 00:59:35,800
Speaker 3: you need to give this to yourself and we support

1060
00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:39,400
Speaker 3: you like whoever you know, however this ends, we support

1061
00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:41,280
Speaker 3: you when we love you. So I kind of liked

1062
00:59:41,280 --> 00:59:44,360
Speaker 3: that the story built up that chance for her to

1063
00:59:44,600 --> 00:59:48,720
Speaker 3: have a moment of fear and weakness and be supported anyways.

1064
00:59:49,120 --> 00:59:53,840
Speaker 4: True, yeah, because she was like deeply unmored by her transformation.

1065
00:59:54,040 --> 00:59:57,040
Speaker 4: Yeah you know, and I think like like any transformation,

1066
00:59:58,000 --> 01:00:01,840
Speaker 4: you start to sometimes forget like who you are and

1067
01:00:01,880 --> 01:00:04,920
Speaker 4: what your purpose is, and you know, you do the

1068
01:00:04,960 --> 01:00:08,080
Speaker 4: easier thing, You do the thing that is most accessible

1069
01:00:08,080 --> 01:00:10,480
Speaker 4: in that moment. And it's also like both like a

1070
01:00:10,560 --> 01:00:13,320
Speaker 4: trope wise, right, like okay, just have her be rescued

1071
01:00:13,360 --> 01:00:17,520
Speaker 4: by this prince and live happily ever after in the castle,

1072
01:00:18,240 --> 01:00:20,480
Speaker 4: and it's like all written for you, right, you have

1073
01:00:20,560 --> 01:00:23,000
Speaker 4: to take a very different types of action, like even

1074
01:00:23,040 --> 01:00:25,120
Speaker 4: when you know the I think it's molly gru at

1075
01:00:25,120 --> 01:00:27,240
Speaker 4: the point, it's like you can fight back, like you

1076
01:00:27,280 --> 01:00:30,520
Speaker 4: don't have to just like take what the red bull

1077
01:00:30,720 --> 01:00:34,200
Speaker 4: is doing. And I also felt like there again, I

1078
01:00:34,280 --> 01:00:36,760
Speaker 4: always I kept on because of the bisexual thing. It

1079
01:00:36,800 --> 01:00:39,680
Speaker 4: was just like very much there, like don't forget your

1080
01:00:39,680 --> 01:00:42,880
Speaker 4: other bisexuals. You know, this is not just you. This

1081
01:00:43,080 --> 01:00:46,680
Speaker 4: is also like when you remember who you are. You're

1082
01:00:46,720 --> 01:00:52,040
Speaker 4: helping these like other bisexuals be free from this place

1083
01:00:52,080 --> 01:00:55,360
Speaker 4: that they've been placed in. And I also thought King

1084
01:00:55,400 --> 01:00:58,440
Speaker 4: Haggard was very interesting in his like reasoning. He was

1085
01:00:58,480 --> 01:01:01,000
Speaker 4: just like, yeah, they're like the only thing that makes

1086
01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:01,919
Speaker 4: me happy.

1087
01:01:02,200 --> 01:01:05,720
Speaker 7: You know. And I felt like a young in spite

1088
01:01:05,760 --> 01:01:06,479
Speaker 7: of my old age.

1089
01:01:06,520 --> 01:01:08,120
Speaker 4: And I'm like, oh, that's what men say when they

1090
01:01:08,520 --> 01:01:11,760
Speaker 4: want to sexually harass like a very younger woman, like, oh,

1091
01:01:11,760 --> 01:01:14,560
Speaker 4: she made me feel young, you know. And it's this

1092
01:01:14,800 --> 01:01:20,760
Speaker 4: vicarious like he's leeching this energy from this place. But

1093
01:01:20,800 --> 01:01:23,360
Speaker 4: he can't, of course let them be free. He has

1094
01:01:23,440 --> 01:01:25,880
Speaker 4: to cage them in some way. They have to be

1095
01:01:26,000 --> 01:01:27,200
Speaker 4: under his control.

1096
01:01:27,480 --> 01:01:28,720
Speaker 7: And he knows what.

1097
01:01:28,760 --> 01:01:30,640
Speaker 4: She is like at first, he's kind of like I

1098
01:01:30,720 --> 01:01:33,160
Speaker 4: don't know when she first comes to the castle. But

1099
01:01:33,240 --> 01:01:35,680
Speaker 4: then he's like, you betrayed yourself with the way you

1100
01:01:35,760 --> 01:01:38,600
Speaker 4: move and you do this and you do that. So yeah,

1101
01:01:38,600 --> 01:01:40,959
Speaker 4: I was just like, yeah, this is this is very

1102
01:01:41,800 --> 01:01:45,480
Speaker 4: there is to me, like a very potent like sexual energy.

1103
01:01:46,000 --> 01:01:47,960
Speaker 4: And then what happens is like, you know, he falls

1104
01:01:48,040 --> 01:01:51,920
Speaker 4: to his death, you know, and we're all happy for it.

1105
01:01:53,040 --> 01:01:55,160
Speaker 7: Yeah, So I yeah, I just I.

1106
01:01:55,120 --> 01:01:58,440
Speaker 4: Still very much like appreciate what it's saying. And I

1107
01:01:58,560 --> 01:02:02,560
Speaker 4: think that it's it's doing something very complex like that

1108
01:02:02,880 --> 01:02:07,360
Speaker 4: kids may not understand, but it's laying the groundwork for

1109
01:02:07,600 --> 01:02:11,520
Speaker 4: like the Pocahontas the Moana, right, like kind of like

1110
01:02:11,600 --> 01:02:16,280
Speaker 4: the Disney spaces where it's not just you end up

1111
01:02:16,320 --> 01:02:18,360
Speaker 4: with the dude. Right, those are the two that I

1112
01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:21,000
Speaker 4: can really see that that happened in and I don't

1113
01:02:21,000 --> 01:02:22,640
Speaker 4: think that's an accident.

1114
01:02:23,280 --> 01:02:28,919
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, to go back to the Unicorns transformation too.

1115
01:02:29,840 --> 01:02:34,160
Speaker 2: In the story, her transformation is like thrust upon her.

1116
01:02:34,360 --> 01:02:36,920
Speaker 2: It's Schmendrick being like, oh my god, I have to

1117
01:02:36,960 --> 01:02:38,920
Speaker 2: do something to save her. I'll turn her into a

1118
01:02:39,000 --> 01:02:42,600
Speaker 2: human so that the Red Bull doesn't care to be

1119
01:02:42,640 --> 01:02:46,080
Speaker 2: bothered with her versus again, if we're going to compare

1120
01:02:46,120 --> 01:02:50,840
Speaker 2: this to the Little Mermaid, Ariel seeks out her own transformation.

1121
01:02:51,360 --> 01:02:53,800
Speaker 2: She goes to Ursula. She says, I want to be

1122
01:02:53,880 --> 01:02:59,520
Speaker 2: a human. Her motive is you know, questionable, but also

1123
01:02:59,600 --> 01:03:01,520
Speaker 2: you know, she she has the agency. She's like, I

1124
01:03:01,560 --> 01:03:03,800
Speaker 2: want something, I'm going to go for it, and I

1125
01:03:04,800 --> 01:03:07,120
Speaker 2: even if it is to she's sixteen, it is that

1126
01:03:07,160 --> 01:03:09,080
Speaker 2: she wants to be with this man who she saw

1127
01:03:09,160 --> 01:03:12,360
Speaker 2: one time, but again she's a teenager. The point is

1128
01:03:12,480 --> 01:03:17,680
Speaker 2: she seeks out her own transformation versus in the last Unicorn. Again,

1129
01:03:18,040 --> 01:03:22,560
Speaker 2: that transformation to human form and like being a mortal

1130
01:03:23,360 --> 01:03:28,400
Speaker 2: is thrust upon a Mauthea slash the unicorn, and it

1131
01:03:28,680 --> 01:03:31,560
Speaker 2: starts to destroy her again. She's like losing her memory,

1132
01:03:31,640 --> 01:03:34,240
Speaker 2: she's losing her sense of self. I feel like you

1133
01:03:34,280 --> 01:03:38,000
Speaker 2: could read that possibly as like, you know, whatever gender

1134
01:03:38,120 --> 01:03:44,280
Speaker 2: roles or rigid expectations that a patriarchal society thrusts upon

1135
01:03:45,000 --> 01:03:49,080
Speaker 2: women and everyone, but how it like tears you down

1136
01:03:49,120 --> 01:03:54,000
Speaker 2: and breaks you apart. And she then I do wish

1137
01:03:54,040 --> 01:03:57,320
Speaker 2: that because Mendrick just kind of randomly changes her back

1138
01:03:57,320 --> 01:03:59,400
Speaker 2: into a unicorn sort of in the middle of the

1139
01:03:59,440 --> 01:04:02,440
Speaker 2: final like red Bull battle. I wish there was maybe

1140
01:04:02,640 --> 01:04:07,280
Speaker 2: like narratively something more significant that like is a catalyst

1141
01:04:07,480 --> 01:04:10,160
Speaker 2: to get her to turn back, or that she is

1142
01:04:10,200 --> 01:04:12,840
Speaker 2: like I want to turn back and she does it

1143
01:04:12,880 --> 01:04:16,880
Speaker 2: herself or something. Maybe that's just kind of weak storytelling and.

1144
01:04:17,000 --> 01:04:19,600
Speaker 3: They're like, we have five minutes to end the movie.

1145
01:04:19,960 --> 01:04:22,080
Speaker 2: Oh, we gotta do she has to be a unicorn again.

1146
01:04:22,120 --> 01:04:25,040
Speaker 2: How do we do it? But it isn't until she

1147
01:04:25,160 --> 01:04:29,400
Speaker 2: does transform back into her like true self that she's

1148
01:04:29,440 --> 01:04:33,120
Speaker 2: able to then fight back against the red Bull. I

1149
01:04:33,120 --> 01:04:34,919
Speaker 2: don't even know what happens to her. She just sort

1150
01:04:34,920 --> 01:04:37,400
Speaker 2: of like intimidates him into the sea and then he

1151
01:04:37,600 --> 01:04:40,200
Speaker 2: like dies question Mark, and then that liberates all of

1152
01:04:40,200 --> 01:04:44,440
Speaker 2: the other unicorns. But yeah, I think that that like

1153
01:04:45,080 --> 01:04:48,040
Speaker 2: the thing thrust upon you versus you having the agency

1154
01:04:48,080 --> 01:04:50,720
Speaker 2: to seek it out yourself, and these two different stories

1155
01:04:50,920 --> 01:04:52,040
Speaker 2: I find very interesting.

1156
01:04:52,280 --> 01:04:52,640
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1157
01:04:52,720 --> 01:04:55,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, and there is that space too for that like that,

1158
01:04:55,920 --> 01:04:59,600
Speaker 4: it was a very the transformation was very exciting. She's like, oh,

1159
01:04:59,640 --> 01:05:01,520
Speaker 4: you could done this the whole time, I guess, but

1160
01:05:01,880 --> 01:05:06,640
Speaker 4: here we are. But an interesting thing about like the

1161
01:05:06,640 --> 01:05:08,680
Speaker 4: the unicorn is that it's always been like kind of

1162
01:05:08,680 --> 01:05:13,200
Speaker 4: a queer coated entity because it's this like beautiful white

1163
01:05:13,240 --> 01:05:14,120
Speaker 4: horse kind.

1164
01:05:13,960 --> 01:05:15,040
Speaker 7: Of going like horse lore.

1165
01:05:15,120 --> 01:05:17,320
Speaker 4: But then it has this like phallic symbol right of

1166
01:05:17,440 --> 01:05:20,960
Speaker 4: like a horn, and it's like she remembers that, oh,

1167
01:05:21,000 --> 01:05:23,840
Speaker 4: I have this horn, you know, and that's kind of

1168
01:05:23,880 --> 01:05:27,840
Speaker 4: what she uses to like fight back. So it's like

1169
01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:32,400
Speaker 4: her acknowledging all that she has in that moment, which

1170
01:05:32,440 --> 01:05:34,760
Speaker 4: I also felt like that was her like kind of

1171
01:05:34,800 --> 01:05:37,280
Speaker 4: like a more complete space she was she knew to

1172
01:05:37,280 --> 01:05:39,320
Speaker 4: fight against the heartbeat. I mean, she kind of was

1173
01:05:39,600 --> 01:05:42,600
Speaker 4: using the horn there, but maybe she didn't think that

1174
01:05:42,720 --> 01:05:47,600
Speaker 4: her horn had enough juice to you know, for the

1175
01:05:48,000 --> 01:05:50,120
Speaker 4: red bull. But then realize it and he just kind

1176
01:05:50,120 --> 01:05:52,520
Speaker 4: of like it is like oh all right, kind of

1177
01:05:52,600 --> 01:05:55,439
Speaker 4: bows down and it just goes to the ocean. Dodn't

1178
01:05:55,440 --> 01:05:58,000
Speaker 4: really know what happens to him, and then that's the end.

1179
01:05:58,040 --> 01:06:01,680
Speaker 4: And I also felt like it was interesting to me too, like, Okay,

1180
01:06:01,760 --> 01:06:05,720
Speaker 4: King Haggard can't fight, he doesn't have his name is Haggard, right,

1181
01:06:05,840 --> 01:06:09,480
Speaker 4: He's like not life is sucked out of him, so

1182
01:06:09,520 --> 01:06:11,240
Speaker 4: he has to rely on this other entity.

1183
01:06:11,280 --> 01:06:14,000
Speaker 7: And I'm like, oh, that's like toxic masculinity.

1184
01:06:14,280 --> 01:06:18,240
Speaker 4: Like it's like when you know you don't have the

1185
01:06:18,240 --> 01:06:21,320
Speaker 4: the power in yourself, so you have to have these

1186
01:06:21,360 --> 01:06:23,360
Speaker 4: like kind of henchmen do the thing for you.

1187
01:06:24,000 --> 01:06:25,040
Speaker 7: And then with the bull.

1188
01:06:25,680 --> 01:06:31,520
Speaker 4: My bulls typically signified they're like toxic masculinity in Taurus form,

1189
01:06:32,000 --> 01:06:33,120
Speaker 4: you know, very.

1190
01:06:33,000 --> 01:06:38,160
Speaker 7: Controlling, very stubborn, very domineering.

1191
01:06:38,520 --> 01:06:41,960
Speaker 2: Speaking as a Taurus can confirm.

1192
01:06:42,080 --> 01:06:44,560
Speaker 4: You know, like you know, we all have our udevolved

1193
01:06:44,600 --> 01:06:47,520
Speaker 4: like quote unquote shadow sides of our signs, and that

1194
01:06:47,760 --> 01:06:51,520
Speaker 4: is the bull right and red, which is also interesting,

1195
01:06:51,600 --> 01:06:52,400
Speaker 4: you know war.

1196
01:06:52,280 --> 01:06:54,200
Speaker 7: So there's there's there's.

1197
01:06:53,600 --> 01:06:56,760
Speaker 4: A lot going on with the symbology of how he

1198
01:06:56,840 --> 01:06:59,400
Speaker 4: himself can't do it but he has to rely on

1199
01:06:59,440 --> 01:07:03,480
Speaker 4: this other end to do it, and that it's unicorns

1200
01:07:03,720 --> 01:07:07,360
Speaker 4: yet again you know that are that are there And yeah,

1201
01:07:07,480 --> 01:07:09,880
Speaker 4: I just I just love this film so much.

1202
01:07:10,360 --> 01:07:13,640
Speaker 3: It's doing so it's so deep and that that you

1203
01:07:13,720 --> 01:07:17,120
Speaker 3: both make excellent points. I just this, I love this movie.

1204
01:07:17,640 --> 01:07:20,280
Speaker 3: I do think I hadn't really thought about, like, yeah,

1205
01:07:20,280 --> 01:07:27,439
Speaker 3: how Ariel really does spearhead her own transformation whereas and

1206
01:07:27,440 --> 01:07:31,360
Speaker 3: and that in that read they both end in the

1207
01:07:31,440 --> 01:07:34,760
Speaker 3: forum that was like their heart's desire and that they

1208
01:07:34,800 --> 01:07:39,120
Speaker 3: saw their their journey through and that's really beautiful. And yeah,

1209
01:07:39,160 --> 01:07:41,680
Speaker 3: I'm so curious. I mean I didn't look into what

1210
01:07:41,840 --> 01:07:46,000
Speaker 3: happens in the like the newer stories, but like I

1211
01:07:46,040 --> 01:07:48,080
Speaker 3: want to know what I feel like you sort of

1212
01:07:48,080 --> 01:07:53,000
Speaker 3: have an idea of where the unicorn and where Schmndrick's

1213
01:07:53,040 --> 01:07:56,320
Speaker 3: story is heading from there, but I'm like, what happens

1214
01:07:56,360 --> 01:07:59,080
Speaker 3: to Mollie and what happens to prince Le or where

1215
01:07:59,240 --> 01:08:02,200
Speaker 3: where does he go here? Does he like take a

1216
01:08:02,240 --> 01:08:06,880
Speaker 3: writing class, does he I hope so that would be

1217
01:08:06,880 --> 01:08:10,600
Speaker 3: a fun continuation of his story. Is like he finished

1218
01:08:10,600 --> 01:08:13,080
Speaker 3: that symphony he was complaining about.

1219
01:08:14,160 --> 01:08:14,560
Speaker 5: I don't know.

1220
01:08:14,680 --> 01:08:17,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, the more we talk about it, the more I

1221
01:08:17,720 --> 01:08:20,600
Speaker 3: fall in love with the movie. It's really cool, and

1222
01:08:20,880 --> 01:08:22,920
Speaker 3: I hope it's the sort of thing. I mean, I

1223
01:08:22,960 --> 01:08:27,400
Speaker 3: watched it on to be but I hope that it's

1224
01:08:27,400 --> 01:08:31,320
Speaker 3: still finding an audience today. I haven't heard much about it,

1225
01:08:31,400 --> 01:08:33,559
Speaker 3: but I don't know. I'm going to show it to

1226
01:08:33,600 --> 01:08:35,120
Speaker 3: my niece the next time I s he here. I

1227
01:08:35,160 --> 01:08:36,040
Speaker 3: think she'll love it.

1228
01:08:36,200 --> 01:08:39,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, i'd be curious to know. Like I think there

1229
01:08:39,400 --> 01:08:42,320
Speaker 4: are certain films I'm like, okay, when kids like it,

1230
01:08:42,560 --> 01:08:45,240
Speaker 4: what is this again saying about their own understanding of

1231
01:08:45,280 --> 01:08:48,479
Speaker 4: the world, because we don't really have that now. I mean,

1232
01:08:48,520 --> 01:08:51,760
Speaker 4: the animation I think in this film is like so beautiful. Yeah,

1233
01:08:51,840 --> 01:08:54,280
Speaker 4: it's like very artistic. I mean there's this one scene

1234
01:08:54,280 --> 01:08:57,160
Speaker 4: where it's like there's like some kind of sunset and

1235
01:08:57,160 --> 01:09:01,120
Speaker 4: there's like mountains and they're catching all the refracting a

1236
01:09:01,240 --> 01:09:05,000
Speaker 4: light that happens when you know, you see snow.

1237
01:09:04,560 --> 01:09:08,880
Speaker 7: And like a sunset, and I'm like, you don't see.

1238
01:09:08,520 --> 01:09:12,160
Speaker 4: That level, like that level of animation, like they were

1239
01:09:12,160 --> 01:09:15,599
Speaker 4: really taking kids seriously. And I think that's the thing

1240
01:09:15,640 --> 01:09:18,400
Speaker 4: I read about it, is like this is a film where.

1241
01:09:18,800 --> 01:09:20,160
Speaker 7: Kids are taken seriously.

1242
01:09:20,400 --> 01:09:24,080
Speaker 4: They're not pandering to you, They're not I mean, they

1243
01:09:24,120 --> 01:09:27,360
Speaker 4: have like some kind of off collor jokes, but it's

1244
01:09:27,600 --> 01:09:30,640
Speaker 4: very like we are going to present this story too,

1245
01:09:30,680 --> 01:09:32,360
Speaker 4: We're not going to tie it up of a neat boat.

1246
01:09:32,680 --> 01:09:34,519
Speaker 7: So I feel like it's just very.

1247
01:09:34,400 --> 01:09:39,160
Speaker 4: Much like someone being on like really seeing kids as equal,

1248
01:09:39,479 --> 01:09:42,799
Speaker 4: you know. And that's another thing that I deeply appreciate

1249
01:09:42,800 --> 01:09:43,439
Speaker 4: about this film.

1250
01:09:44,000 --> 01:09:48,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, this movie doesn't shy away from something that I mean,

1251
01:09:48,479 --> 01:09:51,479
Speaker 3: I guess it depends on the quality of movie, and

1252
01:09:51,520 --> 01:09:55,639
Speaker 3: it's like, of course there were crummy, condescending animated movies

1253
01:09:55,640 --> 01:09:58,560
Speaker 3: coming out the eighties as well, but I really appreciated

1254
01:09:58,680 --> 01:10:02,080
Speaker 3: how much this this movie does not shy away from,

1255
01:10:02,240 --> 01:10:05,559
Speaker 3: like a feeling of profound loneliness. I feel like stories

1256
01:10:05,560 --> 01:10:09,120
Speaker 3: like those are so appealing to a lot of kids

1257
01:10:09,840 --> 01:10:13,360
Speaker 3: feeling out of place and feeling just like alone and

1258
01:10:13,400 --> 01:10:15,640
Speaker 3: like you're business. I don't know, Like a lot of

1259
01:10:15,680 --> 01:10:17,240
Speaker 3: the things that I was drawn to when I was

1260
01:10:17,280 --> 01:10:21,439
Speaker 3: a kid were stories like that, of stories of feeling

1261
01:10:21,800 --> 01:10:25,120
Speaker 3: isolated and stories of feeling like you had to there

1262
01:10:25,200 --> 01:10:28,400
Speaker 3: was some sort of like fight to understand yourself and

1263
01:10:28,439 --> 01:10:30,920
Speaker 3: be who you were. And I don't know, Yeah, there

1264
01:10:31,360 --> 01:10:35,439
Speaker 3: is so many moments of from heroes and villains in

1265
01:10:35,479 --> 01:10:38,320
Speaker 3: this story of profound loneliness. And I feel like there's

1266
01:10:38,360 --> 01:10:42,000
Speaker 3: a pretty clear understanding that King Haggard, I mean, is

1267
01:10:42,120 --> 01:10:46,519
Speaker 3: doing this horrible thing because he doesn't understand himself. He

1268
01:10:46,560 --> 01:10:50,479
Speaker 3: doesn't know how to find joy in a way that

1269
01:10:50,600 --> 01:10:55,920
Speaker 3: isn't depressive, and he's clearly so lonely. And you see

1270
01:10:55,920 --> 01:10:59,719
Speaker 3: that like similar qualities in the friends and that find

1271
01:10:59,720 --> 01:11:02,639
Speaker 3: each other. And I just I don't know. I feel

1272
01:11:02,640 --> 01:11:04,840
Speaker 3: like loneliness is such a big part of being a kid,

1273
01:11:05,040 --> 01:11:08,320
Speaker 3: and movies that really don't shy away from that and

1274
01:11:08,400 --> 01:11:11,760
Speaker 3: don't say like whatever, just make a friend, which is

1275
01:11:11,800 --> 01:11:15,439
Speaker 3: I think how like more sort of talk down to

1276
01:11:15,520 --> 01:11:18,800
Speaker 3: you kind of media does is really impactful and like

1277
01:11:18,840 --> 01:11:20,679
Speaker 3: it sticks with you through throughout your life.

1278
01:11:21,120 --> 01:11:25,560
Speaker 2: Yes, is there a more chosen family than the Unicorn

1279
01:11:25,880 --> 01:11:28,000
Speaker 2: Schmendrick and Molly grew.

1280
01:11:28,400 --> 01:11:29,879
Speaker 3: It's it's a weird little.

1281
01:11:29,680 --> 01:11:34,559
Speaker 4: Family, yes, or mana maybe both, but you know it's

1282
01:11:34,600 --> 01:11:39,000
Speaker 4: like it's definitely chosen community. It very much reminds me

1283
01:11:39,040 --> 01:11:43,080
Speaker 4: of like, you know, the yeah, the first Muppet movie. Yeah,

1284
01:11:43,240 --> 01:11:46,920
Speaker 4: hermish is going on and like you're just gathering.

1285
01:11:46,360 --> 01:11:48,040
Speaker 7: People like a team, and.

1286
01:11:47,960 --> 01:11:50,200
Speaker 4: It's like, yeah, you'll do yeah, you know, why don't

1287
01:11:50,240 --> 01:11:53,760
Speaker 4: you come along? And yeah, I love I love that, and.

1288
01:11:53,720 --> 01:11:56,120
Speaker 7: She's just like, yeah, this is this is chill, this

1289
01:11:56,200 --> 01:11:56,920
Speaker 7: is fine.

1290
01:11:57,920 --> 01:11:59,880
Speaker 4: But you know, she's on her own journey. But her

1291
01:12:00,080 --> 01:12:02,519
Speaker 4: journey it's what awakens them to theirs. But I would

1292
01:12:03,000 --> 01:12:05,559
Speaker 4: I mean, I hope that if you know, Peter Beegle, like,

1293
01:12:05,600 --> 01:12:08,040
Speaker 4: if he you know, keeps going with this, I would

1294
01:12:08,080 --> 01:12:10,479
Speaker 4: love to see what he would imagine Molly grew, Like

1295
01:12:10,560 --> 01:12:13,880
Speaker 4: what would her space be like from there? Like does

1296
01:12:13,920 --> 01:12:15,439
Speaker 4: she stay wish Mandric or she's like, you know, this

1297
01:12:15,479 --> 01:12:17,599
Speaker 4: is kind of getting old, Like I need to kind

1298
01:12:17,600 --> 01:12:18,240
Speaker 4: of get my own.

1299
01:12:18,080 --> 01:12:20,680
Speaker 7: Stuff together, Like yeah, what does she meet up with

1300
01:12:20,760 --> 01:12:22,320
Speaker 7: the unicorn again?

1301
01:12:23,920 --> 01:12:26,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'd really want to see because I think that

1302
01:12:26,360 --> 01:12:30,640
Speaker 4: what's very interesting about fantasy is you know, here you

1303
01:12:30,720 --> 01:12:33,040
Speaker 4: have this universe where you can do anything right.

1304
01:12:33,280 --> 01:12:34,920
Speaker 7: All the rules are off the table.

1305
01:12:35,720 --> 01:12:39,000
Speaker 4: You can make trees have boobs, you can have a

1306
01:12:39,080 --> 01:12:42,759
Speaker 4: hearpeet with three breasts, you can have a red bull

1307
01:12:42,880 --> 01:12:46,160
Speaker 4: that gathers unicorns in the sea, but we don't quite

1308
01:12:46,160 --> 01:12:50,799
Speaker 4: have the imagination to think of an older woman who

1309
01:12:51,200 --> 01:12:54,960
Speaker 4: goes on her own journey, right, Like that is a

1310
01:12:55,000 --> 01:12:57,320
Speaker 4: sticking point and it's like, oh wow, Like so it

1311
01:12:57,400 --> 01:13:01,080
Speaker 4: just shows just how And that's I think a big

1312
01:13:01,120 --> 01:13:05,080
Speaker 4: critique for a lot of fantasy, especially men writers, is like, okay,

1313
01:13:05,120 --> 01:13:07,640
Speaker 4: so you can imagine people speaking Elfish, but not like

1314
01:13:07,680 --> 01:13:12,240
Speaker 4: a woman having agency. Like that's so interesting, like where

1315
01:13:12,240 --> 01:13:15,880
Speaker 4: the imagination can just shut down. And so I would

1316
01:13:15,960 --> 01:13:19,360
Speaker 4: really love to see what happens because that was a

1317
01:13:19,360 --> 01:13:22,240
Speaker 4: part that definitely when I rewatched it sometime in my

1318
01:13:22,320 --> 01:13:25,280
Speaker 4: late twenties, like I was just so struck my Molly groued.

1319
01:13:25,280 --> 01:13:27,840
Speaker 4: I literally had to show my sister. I was like,

1320
01:13:27,960 --> 01:13:30,080
Speaker 4: and she's like, it's so real, you know that part

1321
01:13:30,240 --> 01:13:32,519
Speaker 4: of when you feel like life has passed you by,

1322
01:13:33,240 --> 01:13:36,320
Speaker 4: but then getting a chance to do something different. But

1323
01:13:36,360 --> 01:13:37,680
Speaker 4: we don't really get to see that different. So I

1324
01:13:37,720 --> 01:13:40,080
Speaker 4: think that that's an opening. Maybe people who are into

1325
01:13:40,080 --> 01:13:43,679
Speaker 4: fan fiction can take that story into a different space,

1326
01:13:43,760 --> 01:13:45,479
Speaker 4: because I do think it could be a really beautiful

1327
01:13:45,479 --> 01:13:48,200
Speaker 4: story because she literally just goes to the castle and

1328
01:13:48,280 --> 01:13:50,280
Speaker 4: most of the scenes that we see her again, she's

1329
01:13:50,800 --> 01:13:54,080
Speaker 4: defending the men or she's cleaning, you know, and I'm like,

1330
01:13:54,200 --> 01:13:56,000
Speaker 4: that doesn't seem I think she.

1331
01:13:55,960 --> 01:13:58,920
Speaker 7: Has more clearly has more fight than that, more smart

1332
01:13:59,000 --> 01:13:59,200
Speaker 7: than that.

1333
01:13:59,760 --> 01:14:02,040
Speaker 3: We're going, yeah, I feel like that's not who we

1334
01:14:02,120 --> 01:14:04,040
Speaker 3: met at the because I just like, oh, I was

1335
01:14:04,120 --> 01:14:07,080
Speaker 3: so taken with her, because I mean, even her first

1336
01:14:07,520 --> 01:14:09,960
Speaker 3: line to the unicorn being where have you been? You're

1337
01:14:10,040 --> 01:14:13,280
Speaker 3: just like oop, like it just like hits you. And

1338
01:14:13,320 --> 01:14:15,599
Speaker 3: then she just sort of laughs in men's faces for

1339
01:14:15,640 --> 01:14:17,560
Speaker 3: a good twenty thirty minutes.

1340
01:14:17,560 --> 01:14:22,840
Speaker 2: And she does pet the cat and the cat's like yeah,

1341
01:14:23,120 --> 01:14:23,559
Speaker 2: do that.

1342
01:14:23,960 --> 01:14:28,360
Speaker 3: Oh, And You're like, all right, all right, mister beagle.

1343
01:14:28,439 --> 01:14:30,479
Speaker 3: Whatever you say, why not?

1344
01:14:32,800 --> 01:14:35,439
Speaker 2: This is this is silly. But I was like, Mollie Grew,

1345
01:14:35,800 --> 01:14:40,880
Speaker 2: h Is she an ancestor of I Grew? I thought

1346
01:14:40,960 --> 01:14:44,320
Speaker 2: the same thing. You know, it's like the Minion verse,

1347
01:14:44,560 --> 01:14:45,439
Speaker 2: the Minion verse.

1348
01:14:46,280 --> 01:14:49,679
Speaker 3: I don't know, maybe you know, maybe Molly Grew has

1349
01:14:49,960 --> 01:14:51,960
Speaker 3: you know, for I kind of I need to rewatch

1350
01:14:52,000 --> 01:14:54,800
Speaker 3: the Rise of Grew. I kind of forgot, yeah, the

1351
01:14:54,840 --> 01:14:58,439
Speaker 3: origin story, but maybe she is an ancestor of Grew

1352
01:14:58,760 --> 01:15:02,960
Speaker 3: A very powerful whole wizarded his own right or something.

1353
01:15:03,560 --> 01:15:04,040
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1354
01:15:04,120 --> 01:15:07,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, is there anything else that you wanted to talk about?

1355
01:15:08,120 --> 01:15:11,080
Speaker 2: I mean, this is such a rich text and I

1356
01:15:11,080 --> 01:15:14,120
Speaker 2: feel like I'm probably missing stuff, but that was kind

1357
01:15:14,120 --> 01:15:15,000
Speaker 2: of all I had.

1358
01:15:15,560 --> 01:15:20,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, Oh, I did have something about the America doing

1359
01:15:20,120 --> 01:15:22,559
Speaker 4: a soundtrack. I thought that that was really telling. If

1360
01:15:22,560 --> 01:15:24,880
Speaker 4: you listen to the lyrics of a song, there is

1361
01:15:25,160 --> 01:15:28,320
Speaker 4: a clear like climate.

1362
01:15:28,000 --> 01:15:31,560
Speaker 7: Change, you know, a thread that's happening.

1363
01:15:32,600 --> 01:15:34,519
Speaker 4: And you kind of can see like where she's going,

1364
01:15:34,560 --> 01:15:37,120
Speaker 4: and then when she goes to Caggard, it's like completely

1365
01:15:37,360 --> 01:15:38,760
Speaker 4: like wasteland.

1366
01:15:39,400 --> 01:15:42,240
Speaker 7: Yeah, and so that was a part that I'm.

1367
01:15:42,040 --> 01:15:47,200
Speaker 4: Like, oh, like it's like the Last Unicorn bisexual Awakening

1368
01:15:47,439 --> 01:15:52,760
Speaker 4: and or climate change optimism about you know, releasing these

1369
01:15:52,840 --> 01:15:56,320
Speaker 4: unicorns from the sea. But there are songs, especially Man's

1370
01:15:56,439 --> 01:15:59,759
Speaker 4: Road and The Last Unicorn definitely have like a climate

1371
01:16:00,439 --> 01:16:04,000
Speaker 4: like everything's desolate, but then we see the unicorn is there.

1372
01:16:04,040 --> 01:16:07,040
Speaker 4: It's that it's a sign that there is still yet life.

1373
01:16:07,520 --> 01:16:11,280
Speaker 3: So that was something It's almost like Loraxe a little bit. Yeah,

1374
01:16:11,400 --> 01:16:16,120
Speaker 3: like the Final Tree Seed. Yeah, I didn't make that connection. Yeah,

1375
01:16:16,320 --> 01:16:18,479
Speaker 3: everything else I have were just like lines that I

1376
01:16:18,560 --> 01:16:21,760
Speaker 3: was like, huh in a fun way where the when

1377
01:16:21,920 --> 01:16:25,400
Speaker 3: King Haggard fires his old magician or whatever, He's like,

1378
01:16:25,439 --> 01:16:29,320
Speaker 3: this guy's kind of a magician's magician, but maybe he's

1379
01:16:29,320 --> 01:16:33,639
Speaker 3: too good at magic. He's fired like everything King Haggard does,

1380
01:16:33,920 --> 01:16:37,400
Speaker 3: like he is a villain whose villainy spreads from like

1381
01:16:37,439 --> 01:16:41,840
Speaker 3: loneliness but also just boredom, and so it's funny. I

1382
01:16:41,960 --> 01:16:46,759
Speaker 3: liked the Magician's Magician just like a comics comic, Yeah, exactly.

1383
01:16:47,320 --> 01:16:51,120
Speaker 3: I liked the random, just really good character names across

1384
01:16:51,160 --> 01:16:54,120
Speaker 3: the board. Characters that we meet once and ever again

1385
01:16:54,160 --> 01:16:57,759
Speaker 3: include Jack Jiggly and will and Willie Gentle.

1386
01:16:59,200 --> 01:16:59,960
Speaker 2: Amazing names.

1387
01:17:00,720 --> 01:17:03,160
Speaker 3: There are two of the guys who are essentially eating

1388
01:17:03,240 --> 01:17:07,080
Speaker 3: tacas and then they follow the ghost of Robinhood or whatever.

1389
01:17:07,240 --> 01:17:08,880
Speaker 3: You're just like, fantasy is fun.

1390
01:17:09,080 --> 01:17:09,880
Speaker 5: Fantasy.

1391
01:17:10,640 --> 01:17:14,080
Speaker 3: It's your brain is both very on and very off

1392
01:17:14,200 --> 01:17:16,160
Speaker 3: at the same time, and it's just like a very

1393
01:17:16,160 --> 01:17:17,160
Speaker 3: specific frequency.

1394
01:17:17,280 --> 01:17:19,080
Speaker 7: Yes you need that duality.

1395
01:17:19,280 --> 01:17:25,719
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah. The butterfly butterfly I mean legend, I think

1396
01:17:26,160 --> 01:17:29,000
Speaker 3: I don't know, right is he I don't know.

1397
01:17:29,280 --> 01:17:31,320
Speaker 2: It seems like he just like listens to other songs

1398
01:17:31,360 --> 01:17:34,360
Speaker 2: and then recites them at people, but then he also

1399
01:17:34,439 --> 01:17:38,639
Speaker 2: knows about the red Bull and what the unicorn needs

1400
01:17:38,680 --> 01:17:42,240
Speaker 2: to do to find her people just ddles.

1401
01:17:42,040 --> 01:17:45,600
Speaker 3: Riddles, riddles, riddles, my mom kind of tests. There was

1402
01:17:45,640 --> 01:17:48,000
Speaker 3: one point where I was I was watching this with

1403
01:17:48,160 --> 01:17:50,120
Speaker 3: my fiance and I turned to him and was like,

1404
01:17:50,280 --> 01:17:52,640
Speaker 3: this is how my mom texts. My mom texts in

1405
01:17:52,760 --> 01:17:58,720
Speaker 3: riddles sometimes, like I've had this conversation before. My mom

1406
01:17:58,800 --> 01:18:01,840
Speaker 3: is very the Butterfly did where it's like sort of

1407
01:18:01,880 --> 01:18:05,439
Speaker 3: insulting you, sort of complimenting you, and it's a series

1408
01:18:05,479 --> 01:18:09,280
Speaker 3: of incoherent riddles, and I love shout out Jill.

1409
01:18:09,400 --> 01:18:11,120
Speaker 2: The Butterfly and the cat should be friends.

1410
01:18:11,560 --> 01:18:14,639
Speaker 5: Yeah, they should, they should mesties.

1411
01:18:14,640 --> 01:18:15,880
Speaker 2: And then oh the skeleton.

1412
01:18:16,200 --> 01:18:19,000
Speaker 7: Yeah, maybe all three I would love. Maybe that's another

1413
01:18:19,040 --> 01:18:20,720
Speaker 7: fan fiction just them.

1414
01:18:21,000 --> 01:18:24,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, that would rock. That would just them anywhere and

1415
01:18:24,360 --> 01:18:26,720
Speaker 3: doing anything I would I would love.

1416
01:18:28,120 --> 01:18:32,599
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, the movie does pass the Bechdel test. It

1417
01:18:32,600 --> 01:18:37,479
Speaker 2: does between the Unicorn and Molly Grew, especially in that

1418
01:18:37,520 --> 01:18:40,680
Speaker 2: scene where Molly Grew's like, where were you when I

1419
01:18:40,760 --> 01:18:45,720
Speaker 2: needed you? Later she does tell amalthea when she's like

1420
01:18:45,760 --> 01:18:47,960
Speaker 2: in her human form and she's like, why are you

1421
01:18:48,000 --> 01:18:52,080
Speaker 2: so cruel to prince Lear. Yeah, there's a few exchanges

1422
01:18:52,120 --> 01:18:55,400
Speaker 2: I was hoping there might be more, but there's a few.

1423
01:18:56,320 --> 01:18:59,719
Speaker 2: But as far as the one true metric, the last metric,

1424
01:18:59,760 --> 01:19:03,439
Speaker 2: if you will, the Bechtel Cast nipple scale, where we

1425
01:19:03,520 --> 01:19:06,040
Speaker 2: rate the movie on a scale of zero to five nipples,

1426
01:19:06,120 --> 01:19:11,719
Speaker 2: examining it through an intersectional feminist lens. I'll give this

1427
01:19:12,640 --> 01:19:16,680
Speaker 2: maybe like three and a half. I don't know. I'm

1428
01:19:16,720 --> 01:19:21,120
Speaker 2: a bit flum mixed still by like some of the things.

1429
01:19:21,160 --> 01:19:24,040
Speaker 2: But I think as far as you know, interpretations and

1430
01:19:24,080 --> 01:19:26,760
Speaker 2: readings of this movie, because it's so open to so

1431
01:19:26,840 --> 01:19:30,360
Speaker 2: many things, I really appreciate that. I do appreciate that

1432
01:19:30,400 --> 01:19:35,439
Speaker 2: it subverts a lot of like Disney princess tropes and

1433
01:19:35,840 --> 01:19:40,400
Speaker 2: kind of examines what happens to a character a unicorn

1434
01:19:40,520 --> 01:19:44,640
Speaker 2: when she's isolated and is not with her people and

1435
01:19:44,720 --> 01:19:48,920
Speaker 2: doesn't have her community. I mean, we don't know a

1436
01:19:48,960 --> 01:19:55,080
Speaker 2: lot about her backstory or general unicorn lore in this

1437
01:19:55,200 --> 01:19:59,840
Speaker 2: specific world, Like are unicorns generally solitary creatures and that's

1438
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:03,760
Speaker 2: why she doesn't notice that she's the last one, or

1439
01:20:03,840 --> 01:20:06,880
Speaker 2: did she used to have a unicorn family? If so,

1440
01:20:07,040 --> 01:20:10,160
Speaker 2: what happened to them? So there's a lot we don't

1441
01:20:10,200 --> 01:20:12,599
Speaker 2: know about her. I feel like the female characters overall

1442
01:20:12,680 --> 01:20:16,400
Speaker 2: in this story could have been better characterized, but there's

1443
01:20:16,400 --> 01:20:19,200
Speaker 2: still a lot of interesting things going on here. Also

1444
01:20:19,280 --> 01:20:24,479
Speaker 2: again the thing with her physical transformation into human form,

1445
01:20:25,439 --> 01:20:30,800
Speaker 2: that being something that wasn't her choice, and how it

1446
01:20:31,080 --> 01:20:33,040
Speaker 2: makes her sort of lose her sense of self and

1447
01:20:33,080 --> 01:20:33,759
Speaker 2: then she has.

1448
01:20:33,680 --> 01:20:36,120
Speaker 3: To regain it.

1449
01:20:36,960 --> 01:20:42,040
Speaker 2: You know, all these interesting themes. She's complex, She's complexlex

1450
01:20:42,280 --> 01:20:45,880
Speaker 2: I love her chosen family, and I love all these

1451
01:20:46,439 --> 01:20:50,280
Speaker 2: random side characters that pop in and out. So I

1452
01:20:50,360 --> 01:20:52,959
Speaker 2: will give I'll give it three and a half nipples.

1453
01:20:53,800 --> 01:20:55,760
Speaker 2: And we see so many nipples in the movie, such

1454
01:20:55,800 --> 01:21:00,720
Speaker 2: as the Harpies three nipples, so I'll give I'll give

1455
01:21:00,760 --> 01:21:04,519
Speaker 2: one to the Unicorn, one to the Harpie, one to

1456
01:21:04,640 --> 01:21:09,280
Speaker 2: the tree with boobs. My half nipple can be shared

1457
01:21:09,360 --> 01:21:14,680
Speaker 2: by the cat and the skeleton, my two favorite characters.

1458
01:21:14,840 --> 01:21:17,320
Speaker 3: I'm feeling a four. I don't know. I'm like, I'm like,

1459
01:21:18,160 --> 01:21:21,200
Speaker 3: why not? My heart is open. I feel like a

1460
01:21:21,320 --> 01:21:25,479
Speaker 3: unicorn prancing through beautiful. I'm going four. I think that

1461
01:21:26,080 --> 01:21:29,360
Speaker 3: this movie. I liked everything about it. I think I

1462
01:21:29,360 --> 01:21:32,639
Speaker 3: think outside of it. I'm docking it mainly for its

1463
01:21:32,760 --> 01:21:36,639
Speaker 3: lack of cohesion on Molly's part. Molly's my favorite character.

1464
01:21:37,520 --> 01:21:39,960
Speaker 3: Sorry to the Unicorn, but Molly takes it for me.

1465
01:21:40,120 --> 01:21:43,040
Speaker 3: I just I just was like so moved and like

1466
01:21:43,120 --> 01:21:47,000
Speaker 3: you said, Hannah, I mean, there's so few representations, especially

1467
01:21:47,040 --> 01:21:51,320
Speaker 3: in children's media, of like a woman having an awakening

1468
01:21:51,439 --> 01:21:53,759
Speaker 3: in middle age. If like, most often we just see

1469
01:21:54,280 --> 01:21:58,559
Speaker 3: stock moms or hags, and we do see a hag here,

1470
01:21:58,600 --> 01:22:00,679
Speaker 3: but she's a complicated hag. She's competicated.

1471
01:22:00,760 --> 01:22:00,840
Speaker 7: Haw.

1472
01:22:01,560 --> 01:22:01,800
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1473
01:22:01,880 --> 01:22:03,760
Speaker 3: I just like I love what this movie is doing.

1474
01:22:03,800 --> 01:22:06,760
Speaker 3: I'm gonna dock it for not giving Molly her you know,

1475
01:22:06,800 --> 01:22:09,679
Speaker 3: the full arc that she deserved. But outside of that,

1476
01:22:09,800 --> 01:22:13,559
Speaker 3: I just I was very I was laughing, I was crying,

1477
01:22:14,560 --> 01:22:18,519
Speaker 3: and I really appreciated it. So I'll go four nipples.

1478
01:22:18,560 --> 01:22:21,479
Speaker 3: I'm giving one two. Are we gonna give two to Molly.

1479
01:22:21,479 --> 01:22:22,920
Speaker 3: I'm gonna give her a full I'm gonna give three

1480
01:22:22,960 --> 01:22:26,120
Speaker 3: to Molly's like the Harpy. Wow, like the Harpy's three nipples,

1481
01:22:27,040 --> 01:22:30,000
Speaker 3: and then I'll give that the Unicorn. I mean, the

1482
01:22:30,120 --> 01:22:32,920
Speaker 3: Unicorn is she's she's good, she's good. I am going

1483
01:22:32,960 --> 01:22:37,120
Speaker 3: to give my final one to I think Mommy, because

1484
01:22:37,880 --> 01:22:42,360
Speaker 3: you know, Mommy Fortuna because again, just another perfect character.

1485
01:22:42,439 --> 01:22:46,439
Speaker 3: Name and and perfect. Even when the voice cast like,

1486
01:22:46,520 --> 01:22:49,800
Speaker 3: even when the voice performances were weird, I still loved it.

1487
01:22:51,160 --> 01:22:53,160
Speaker 3: You can tell that everyone is in a booth in

1488
01:22:53,240 --> 01:22:57,679
Speaker 3: a different state weeks apart, but that's animation.

1489
01:22:57,840 --> 01:22:59,960
Speaker 2: Baby. They read the script and they're like, I don't

1490
01:23:00,080 --> 01:23:00,639
Speaker 2: really notice.

1491
01:23:02,040 --> 01:23:05,360
Speaker 3: I'm not convinced. I'm not convinced Jeff Bridges read the script.

1492
01:23:05,840 --> 01:23:07,559
Speaker 2: Maybe yeah, I don't think.

1493
01:23:07,400 --> 01:23:10,160
Speaker 3: So, but that's okay. He may not know what happens

1494
01:23:10,160 --> 01:23:13,479
Speaker 3: in this movie to this day, but I yeah, So

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Speaker 3: four for me, Hannah, what do you say?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm also going to give it four nipples, mainly

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Speaker 4: again for the Molly Grew, but I give it four

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Speaker 4: nipples for what it's saying without saying, the way that

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01:23:28,720 --> 01:23:34,520
Speaker 4: it takes children seriously, it's art direction and this very

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01:23:34,880 --> 01:23:39,639
Speaker 4: strange tale that you know, they just go with it,

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01:23:39,880 --> 01:23:43,720
Speaker 4: and I really appreciate that. But yes, I think the

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01:23:43,760 --> 01:23:45,840
Speaker 4: main thing was I would have loved to see more

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01:23:45,960 --> 01:23:48,320
Speaker 4: from Molly Grew, more of her arc.

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01:23:48,680 --> 01:23:50,879
Speaker 7: I think it could have gone in some really exciting places.

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Speaker 4: I also felt like prince Lear could have becive a

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01:23:54,880 --> 01:23:56,080
Speaker 4: little bit a little oomph.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 4: I appreciate the effort but I think there could be

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01:23:59,400 --> 01:24:02,680
Speaker 4: more there. But yeah, I just this is still such

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01:24:02,720 --> 01:24:05,679
Speaker 4: a classic for me. And so if I was gonna

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01:24:05,720 --> 01:24:08,400
Speaker 4: assign the nipples, I have to give one to Mommy

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01:24:08,439 --> 01:24:12,599
Speaker 4: for tuna any woman with I mean, you know, it's

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01:24:12,640 --> 01:24:14,360
Speaker 4: like kind of Madame's.

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Speaker 7: Like when you're using your power to.

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Speaker 4: You know, like she wasn't she wasn't a sex positive, right,

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01:24:20,720 --> 01:24:24,320
Speaker 4: she was trickery and filters and all kinds of things.

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01:24:24,320 --> 01:24:28,200
Speaker 4: But I appreciate her ambition and that she knew she

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01:24:28,240 --> 01:24:30,000
Speaker 4: was going to die. She was like, yeah, like I'm

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01:24:30,000 --> 01:24:32,800
Speaker 4: giving myself to this, and it was this the you know,

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01:24:33,240 --> 01:24:35,920
Speaker 4: like she didn't run, like she just stood there, right,

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Speaker 4: And so I appreciate that I give one to her.

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Speaker 7: I give one to the unicorn.

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Speaker 4: I appreciate her being like just really on her own

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01:24:44,320 --> 01:24:45,320
Speaker 4: shit and.

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Speaker 7: Going on her own way. And then you know, she

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01:24:48,760 --> 01:24:51,479
Speaker 7: could stay in the forest, but she she left right,

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Speaker 7: and she was brave. So I love that.

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Speaker 4: I'll give one to Molly, you know, and I pray

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01:24:56,520 --> 01:25:00,599
Speaker 4: that she uses that nipple to awaken further in her

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01:25:00,640 --> 01:25:07,000
Speaker 4: own life. And then my final nipple, I'm going to

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Speaker 4: give it to we want to give it to the

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01:25:09,800 --> 01:25:13,960
Speaker 4: tree it was short, but it was powerful, and it

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01:25:14,080 --> 01:25:17,280
Speaker 4: was definitely a scene that I never forgot.

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Speaker 2: Memory.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, and there's also a part where I probably

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01:25:21,880 --> 01:25:23,639
Speaker 4: sure brought this up earlier, but it was my own

1537
01:25:23,680 --> 01:25:26,840
Speaker 4: thing where I'm like, when it's not like he's kind

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01:25:26,840 --> 01:25:32,560
Speaker 4: of nestled in between the.

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Speaker 7: The boobs, but I didn't. I thought at first it

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Speaker 7: was ass.

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01:25:34,400 --> 01:25:37,599
Speaker 4: I thought he was like she like had and then

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01:25:37,720 --> 01:25:39,400
Speaker 4: she changed and I was like, oh, okay, it's a

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01:25:39,479 --> 01:25:42,840
Speaker 4: chest now, but it very much looks Yeah, it looked

1544
01:25:42,840 --> 01:25:44,760
Speaker 4: like a kicked up tree at first that he was

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01:25:44,840 --> 01:25:47,799
Speaker 4: just like, and I'm like, this is a very dumb

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01:25:48,240 --> 01:25:50,040
Speaker 4: kind of thing going on here, so I have to

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01:25:50,080 --> 01:25:53,840
Speaker 4: get Yeah, so yeah, that's where that's where I give

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Speaker 4: my my nipples too.

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Speaker 2: Amazing, incredible. Thank you so much for joining us for

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Speaker 2: this disco.

1551
01:26:01,280 --> 01:26:05,640
Speaker 3: And for bringing us this movie. I'm just like a classic.

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01:26:05,400 --> 01:26:06,160
Speaker 2: Come back anytime.

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01:26:06,240 --> 01:26:09,040
Speaker 4: Thank you for having me. It's been a joy, and

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01:26:09,320 --> 01:26:11,680
Speaker 4: I haven't talked about this movie in years, so.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it is.

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01:26:14,439 --> 01:26:17,280
Speaker 4: I'm actually curious as like when this episode goes live,

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01:26:17,439 --> 01:26:20,839
Speaker 4: like who who resonates and what does it bring up now,

1558
01:26:21,240 --> 01:26:23,640
Speaker 4: you know, because I think Molly grew supposed to be

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01:26:23,640 --> 01:26:27,880
Speaker 4: like thirty eight in the so very specific age and

1560
01:26:27,960 --> 01:26:31,760
Speaker 4: I'm like, yeah, it's like perimenopause. It's very like what

1561
01:26:31,800 --> 01:26:32,400
Speaker 4: the fuck was.

1562
01:26:32,320 --> 01:26:33,880
Speaker 7: I doing in my twenties?

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01:26:33,920 --> 01:26:36,120
Speaker 4: It spilled over to my thirties but I'm waking up?

1564
01:26:36,160 --> 01:26:38,680
Speaker 4: But also is it too late? And clearly it's not.

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01:26:38,920 --> 01:26:42,120
Speaker 4: It's not too late, So I would I would love

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01:26:42,200 --> 01:26:45,320
Speaker 4: to definitely have a discussion with people who loved it

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01:26:45,439 --> 01:26:48,080
Speaker 4: and how does it fit, you know, like, who are

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01:26:48,080 --> 01:26:54,400
Speaker 4: they now that were that like the film was for telling,

1569
01:26:54,560 --> 01:26:57,280
Speaker 4: like this is the direction you're going, you know, like

1570
01:26:57,360 --> 01:26:59,640
Speaker 4: you were going to be someone who is into psychedelics

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01:26:59,800 --> 01:27:06,840
Speaker 4: and anime inspired art and complex storytelling. So, yeah, something

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01:27:06,880 --> 01:27:10,080
Speaker 4: that I'm interested to see in this episode airs.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, listeners, drop your thoughts on our Instagram post or

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01:27:16,360 --> 01:27:21,040
Speaker 2: I think you can comment on various podcast listening platforms

1575
01:27:21,800 --> 01:27:26,920
Speaker 2: these days, so share your thoughts. Hey, where can people

1576
01:27:27,360 --> 01:27:31,120
Speaker 2: follow you online? Check out your work? Check out your

1577
01:27:31,120 --> 01:27:32,400
Speaker 2: writing plug away?

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01:27:32,760 --> 01:27:33,080
Speaker 7: Yeah?

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01:27:33,160 --> 01:27:37,200
Speaker 4: So the first place would just be my website, Hannah

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01:27:37,200 --> 01:27:38,400
Speaker 4: oecho dot com.

1581
01:27:38,439 --> 01:27:41,880
Speaker 7: That's where I keep mostly everything going.

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01:27:42,520 --> 01:27:46,800
Speaker 4: I also am on Instagram at Hannah dot Echo and

1583
01:27:46,840 --> 01:27:49,880
Speaker 4: that's kind of my like my own like unicorn journey,

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01:27:50,120 --> 01:27:52,840
Speaker 4: like just posting kind of what's going on. And I

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01:27:52,880 --> 01:27:57,800
Speaker 4: write at Hannah Echo Rights dot subsect dot com under

1586
01:27:58,040 --> 01:28:00,680
Speaker 4: this is where I keep my mouth. So that's kind

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01:28:00,720 --> 01:28:05,240
Speaker 4: of where I keep my projects that I'm moving through,

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01:28:05,600 --> 01:28:09,960
Speaker 4: sometimes more finalized, sometimes not. But yeah, that's where you

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01:28:09,960 --> 01:28:11,559
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Speaker 3: It really is. So join us over there, and thank

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