1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,000 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to The Herd podcast. Be sure to 2 00:00:03,080 --> 00:00:05,760 Speaker 1: catch us live every weekday on Fox Sports Radio in 3 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:09,639 Speaker 1: noon to three Eastern nine am to noon Pacific. Find 4 00:00:09,640 --> 00:00:12,160 Speaker 1: your local station for The Herd at Fox Sports Radio 5 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:14,920 Speaker 1: dot com, or stream us live every day on the 6 00:00:14,960 --> 00:00:18,480 Speaker 1: iHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR. 7 00:00:21,960 --> 00:00:24,040 Speaker 2: You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. 8 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:28,760 Speaker 3: What up? Welcome in this urged the Herd. Whatever you 9 00:00:28,760 --> 00:00:30,480 Speaker 3: may be in, how red you may be making this 10 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:32,280 Speaker 3: part of your day. Yeah, I don't know what that 11 00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:35,000 Speaker 3: sentence was. Thanks so much. I'm Doug Gottliebe in for 12 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:39,640 Speaker 3: Colin Cowherd and for the next two hours, I want 13 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:45,080 Speaker 3: to talk sports with you from Powway to Escondido, all 14 00:00:45,080 --> 00:00:52,000 Speaker 3: the way up to Santa Clarita. Jason Stewart in about 15 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:56,640 Speaker 3: five people in southern California smiled and knew what that 16 00:00:56,840 --> 00:01:02,360 Speaker 3: was or who that was. Joey Chestnut just eate seventy 17 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:08,360 Speaker 3: two dogs in the Hot dog eating contest. Right, there 18 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:11,000 Speaker 3: is something about the Hot dog Eating Contest which feels 19 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:17,120 Speaker 3: feels a lot like the home run Derby. It's a 20 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:19,480 Speaker 3: lot like the home run Derby. You know, when it 21 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:24,959 Speaker 3: first made it big, and it was Kobayashi. It was cool. 22 00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:26,840 Speaker 3: Then all of a sudden, you know, we have this 23 00:01:28,040 --> 00:01:30,960 Speaker 3: Joey Chestnut character comes out of nowhere and just can 24 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:34,920 Speaker 3: crush dogs like nothing we've seen before. Then last year 25 00:01:36,080 --> 00:01:41,120 Speaker 3: he did like some sponsorship deal with the Meatless hot Dog, which, yeah, 26 00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:44,280 Speaker 3: that sounds pretty terrible. I'm just not gonna lie to you. 27 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:46,360 Speaker 3: I don't know. They do not sponsor this show. But 28 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 3: and I'm not decrying any brand. And I don't even 29 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:53,360 Speaker 3: like hot dogs. Yeah that's me. I don't. I mean, 30 00:01:53,440 --> 00:01:55,560 Speaker 3: I'll eat one. I mean they're still delicious, but I 31 00:01:55,560 --> 00:02:00,440 Speaker 3: don't like them just because hot dogs are they're like upcorn. 32 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:04,280 Speaker 3: They don't always taste good, but they always smell really good. 33 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:07,760 Speaker 3: And there's a little bit kind of overpromise and underdeliver. 34 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:11,440 Speaker 3: I'm I'm not gonna ide you. And look, there's lots 35 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:14,880 Speaker 3: of great styles of eating hot dogs. I love a 36 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:17,280 Speaker 3: Chicago dog. It's different. It's an eque you know, eate 37 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:20,720 Speaker 3: throw tomatoes a little whatever was little pickle thingies are 38 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:24,720 Speaker 3: in there. You know they're they're good. I you can 39 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:26,600 Speaker 3: be a snob and say you can't eat ketch up 40 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:30,240 Speaker 3: on your hot dog. I disagree. Jay stew You and 41 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:32,880 Speaker 3: I have discussed there's nothing special about a Dodger dog. 42 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:36,799 Speaker 3: It's just a hot dog that's bought at a Dodger game. 43 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:40,200 Speaker 3: But for whatever reason, the simplicity of the execution makes 44 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:42,480 Speaker 3: you think you're buying something worth the I don't even 45 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:44,320 Speaker 3: know how much Dodger dog is now, but whatever, you're 46 00:02:44,320 --> 00:02:45,000 Speaker 3: ever paying for it. 47 00:02:46,720 --> 00:02:49,400 Speaker 4: And it also speaks to the It also speaks to 48 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 4: the power of alliteration. If you if you make something 49 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:57,160 Speaker 4: illiterative in this country, people think it's a much bigger 50 00:02:57,160 --> 00:02:59,600 Speaker 4: deal than it is. It's the Dodger dog. Is that 51 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:03,440 Speaker 4: kind of a lengthy hot dog that tastes the same 52 00:03:03,480 --> 00:03:07,200 Speaker 4: as most hot dogs, but they're Dodger dogs, So there's 53 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:10,359 Speaker 4: some gravity to that for whatever reason, and it works. 54 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:13,000 Speaker 4: They're not gonna run from it. So yeah, it speaks 55 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:17,799 Speaker 4: to the literation. And by the way, Chestnut, he crushed 56 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:21,320 Speaker 4: seventy one hot dogs today. The record by him was 57 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:24,639 Speaker 4: seventy six and ten minutes. But he did, I think, 58 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:28,440 Speaker 4: eat twenty five more hot dogs than second place. He 59 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:31,960 Speaker 4: crushed the field, a remarkable return by the champion. 60 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:36,240 Speaker 3: So so if he goes from seventy six to seventy 61 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:39,920 Speaker 3: one is this, like, you know, when your velo is 62 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:42,840 Speaker 3: just slightly down as a pitcher, like still dominant, but 63 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:46,960 Speaker 3: you can see that we that we're no longer peak chestnut. 64 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:50,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, and he's got to find more creative ways to win, 65 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:51,240 Speaker 4: you know. 66 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:54,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, so now he's not a thrower. Now he's 67 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:56,960 Speaker 3: more of a pitcher. Now he's not an eater, he's 68 00:03:57,000 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 3: more of a cheer. I don't know what the I 69 00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:01,720 Speaker 3: don't know what the what the what? The proper term is, 70 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 3: uh you hit something? 71 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:08,360 Speaker 5: Yeah, I if I may? If if are you interested 72 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:10,680 Speaker 5: in my story of my first Dodger dog because I 73 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:13,480 Speaker 5: am not from LA like you, and uh am Southern 74 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:15,520 Speaker 5: California like you and you and Jason. 75 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:17,240 Speaker 4: Because I had this. 76 00:04:17,279 --> 00:04:21,039 Speaker 5: Grand vision in my head of a Dodger dog from 77 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:22,920 Speaker 5: what I have been told about all this stuff. And 78 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:24,640 Speaker 5: when I went to my first Dodger game and just 79 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:28,000 Speaker 5: got a plain hot, long hot dog wrapped in foil, 80 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 5: I was supremely disappointed. Yeah, and I had already experienced 81 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:36,040 Speaker 5: what I think is like LA's Better Dogs, which are 82 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:39,839 Speaker 5: those bacon wrapped hot dogs you get literally anywhere, but 83 00:04:39,880 --> 00:04:43,400 Speaker 5: mostly outside the Memorial Coliseum during USC games. But like 84 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:46,640 Speaker 5: literally any anywhere. 85 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 4: Literally anywhere. 86 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:48,960 Speaker 5: Yeah, those danger dogs are everywhere and they'll give you 87 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:50,600 Speaker 5: like Plapania with them. 88 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:54,040 Speaker 3: Isn't Pinky's compared to considered the best La dogs anyway? 89 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:57,400 Speaker 3: And then of course you know, I mean if you 90 00:04:57,440 --> 00:05:01,400 Speaker 3: do the Tommy's Tommy's, but Tommy's also has dogs. That's 91 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 3: when you get yeah, Chilie do Yeah, what what Profeta 92 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:09,600 Speaker 3: is talking about? And they do have it in New 93 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:12,080 Speaker 3: York at a lot of places. Is you walk out 94 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:16,000 Speaker 3: of literally any sort of gathering, like I would be 95 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:18,640 Speaker 3: surprised if when people get done with family cookouts and 96 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:20,920 Speaker 3: they leave the park these days, there's like a group 97 00:05:20,920 --> 00:05:24,480 Speaker 3: of people selling and they smell so good. But Sofi 98 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:29,920 Speaker 3: has there's so Fi the Forum, Uh into it? Staples 99 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:31,160 Speaker 3: Dodger Stadium. 100 00:05:31,320 --> 00:05:34,360 Speaker 5: I believe when the LAFC. I believe when the protests 101 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:37,720 Speaker 5: were happening here in La the other month, someone set 102 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:39,720 Speaker 5: up a one of those cards on the one oh 103 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:44,480 Speaker 5: one like they're nowhere. Yeah, no, I have a video app. 104 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:45,920 Speaker 5: I will find it and send it to you later. 105 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 3: That that sounds. Yes. The point is that when you 106 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:52,680 Speaker 3: walk out of any of these things, there's a hot 107 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:56,120 Speaker 3: dog wrapped in bacon and this again, this is the 108 00:05:56,200 --> 00:05:59,279 Speaker 3: false advertising of the hot dog. Hot dog and bacon. 109 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:02,760 Speaker 3: Those are two the greatest smells. You can be the 110 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:07,279 Speaker 3: most ardent vegetarian you know, and walk out and go 111 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:12,360 Speaker 3: I will, I will forget everything I've been taught or 112 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:16,120 Speaker 3: any sort of conclusions I've come to about meat, because 113 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:20,280 Speaker 3: I have to eat whatever smells so good. So then 114 00:06:20,279 --> 00:06:23,000 Speaker 3: you go too Dodger Stadium and you're like, world famous 115 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:26,520 Speaker 3: Dodger dog, give me two, and they're like here you go, 116 00:06:26,640 --> 00:06:29,880 Speaker 3: and you unwrap the foil and there is a rather 117 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:36,840 Speaker 3: pale hot dog in a fresh, though moist bun. Right, Yeah, 118 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:40,040 Speaker 3: it's a bit of a bummer. A bit of a bummer. 119 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:43,800 Speaker 3: Had a buddy of mine who's in Chicago, who sent 120 00:06:43,839 --> 00:06:46,920 Speaker 3: me a picture of hot dogs. Everybody in Chicago knows 121 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:53,040 Speaker 3: hot dogs, right, Chicago dogs as advertised are different than 122 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:57,840 Speaker 3: Dodger dogs, which are just hot dog foot long hot dogs. Sorry, 123 00:06:58,880 --> 00:07:01,640 Speaker 3: they're still good, but whatever you make of them is 124 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:04,360 Speaker 3: whatever you want to put on them. 125 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:04,680 Speaker 2: Uh. 126 00:07:04,760 --> 00:07:08,680 Speaker 3: Anyway, Joey Chestnut seventy one dogs, I do. I mean, 127 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:11,120 Speaker 3: I guess it's because he took the year off that 128 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:14,800 Speaker 3: now we're like a triumphant return. But it is a 129 00:07:14,840 --> 00:07:18,000 Speaker 3: little bit of the home run derby to me. You know, 130 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:20,240 Speaker 3: no matter how much Chris Berman wants to go back 131 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:26,040 Speaker 3: back back back back back back back, like it's yeah, 132 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:30,480 Speaker 3: that's I don't know, that's not really you know, it's 133 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:33,040 Speaker 3: it's like the eating like an eating contest should be. 134 00:07:33,760 --> 00:07:38,280 Speaker 3: I'd like that eating contest with those big Porterhouse steaks, right, 135 00:07:38,320 --> 00:07:40,560 Speaker 3: it was gigantic steaks where you get like, gotta eat 136 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:42,520 Speaker 3: one and it takes dudes hours to do. You got 137 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:45,239 Speaker 3: like an hour to eat like a seventy two ound steak, 138 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:47,760 Speaker 3: and you gotta eat all the crystal and everything else. 139 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:51,080 Speaker 3: Whereas the hot dog thing, I think we've all come 140 00:07:51,160 --> 00:07:54,160 Speaker 3: to learn there is some sort of trick to it. 141 00:07:56,480 --> 00:07:58,960 Speaker 3: I don't know what the trick is, but it's like 142 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:03,240 Speaker 3: a magic trick that that everyone sort of knows and 143 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:05,320 Speaker 3: he maybe has cracked the code on how to make 144 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:09,960 Speaker 3: it work better. Right, Because no matter how hungry you are, 145 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:15,040 Speaker 3: you can't get past five? Can you? Ja, Stu? Can 146 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:19,440 Speaker 3: I normally eating a hot dog the hungriest you've ever been? 147 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:21,960 Speaker 3: Could you get past five? Oh? 148 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:25,600 Speaker 4: Probably not five? I will say this, can't even get 149 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:29,120 Speaker 4: past two? Eight? I always get two hot dogs at 150 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:32,560 Speaker 4: the Dodger game, and it's just pure bliss. There's nothing 151 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:37,160 Speaker 4: like a Dodger dog with mustard and onions. That's the 152 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:40,200 Speaker 4: necessary thing. And a beer at a Dodger game. There's 153 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:44,480 Speaker 4: just something about that combination. And if I am really 154 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:49,400 Speaker 4: really hungry, I'll probably get a third one. But yeah, 155 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:50,880 Speaker 4: I think I think I have to stop at three, 156 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:51,360 Speaker 4: don't you. 157 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:57,679 Speaker 3: Yeah. I think what happens is when you go get 158 00:08:57,760 --> 00:09:00,400 Speaker 3: the Dodger dog, and even when you hit the first beer, 159 00:09:00,520 --> 00:09:02,480 Speaker 3: it's like a hot day. You go to beer, like God, 160 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:06,559 Speaker 3: it's so good. When you go back, I think the 161 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:11,679 Speaker 3: the mental mentally, you're trying to get back to that 162 00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:15,599 Speaker 3: moment where you're having that first bite bliss again and 163 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:17,640 Speaker 3: you can't recapture it. 164 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:19,960 Speaker 4: No, it's the law of diminishing returns. 165 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:21,599 Speaker 3: Uh, you know it. 166 00:09:22,280 --> 00:09:25,800 Speaker 4: Definitely the next one is not as good as the 167 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:26,560 Speaker 4: last one, for sure. 168 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:29,520 Speaker 3: I'm gonna tout this. Okay, So have you guys been 169 00:09:29,720 --> 00:09:32,320 Speaker 3: any been to Miller Park? Profet your Midwest guye Detroit, you' 170 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:33,000 Speaker 3: have been a Miller Park? 171 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:33,240 Speaker 5: I have. 172 00:09:33,559 --> 00:09:35,679 Speaker 4: Milwaukee is one of those Midwest sudies I have not 173 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:36,400 Speaker 4: been up to so. 174 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:40,920 Speaker 3: Now Okay, they have these popcorn stands where they make 175 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:42,680 Speaker 3: it fresh. But more than anything, they have the fresh 176 00:09:42,760 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 3: butter obviously sent their state. When I tell you it's 177 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:48,480 Speaker 3: the best popcorn I've ever had my life, It's not 178 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:50,800 Speaker 3: like I've just had popcorn and I've gone to the movies, 179 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:54,559 Speaker 3: like I've gone through stretches of having popcorn every night 180 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:57,319 Speaker 3: before I go to bed. When I do, I've done 181 00:09:57,400 --> 00:10:00,280 Speaker 3: college basketball games. I need college basketball games for twenty 182 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:04,240 Speaker 3: two years, okay, and now as a head coach, I 183 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:07,120 Speaker 3: always have popcorn in Lockerike, they got popcorn can get 184 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:09,360 Speaker 3: me just because it's so easy to get you. A 185 00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:12,720 Speaker 3: little salt fills you up, a little bit, smells good, whatever. 186 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:14,840 Speaker 3: So I've had a lot of popcorn in my life. 187 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:17,840 Speaker 3: I've probably chicken is probably the one thing I've had 188 00:10:17,920 --> 00:10:22,079 Speaker 3: more than anything else. But outside of chicken, I'm not 189 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:27,080 Speaker 3: sure popcorn isn't right there with hamburgers. Okay in terms 190 00:10:27,080 --> 00:10:29,280 Speaker 3: of how many times I have had a p saved 191 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:34,520 Speaker 3: popcorn on a day in my forty nine years on 192 00:10:34,679 --> 00:10:38,760 Speaker 3: this earth. Okay, I'm telling you the popcorn, the fresh, 193 00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:44,120 Speaker 3: the fresh made popcorn with the real butter at Miller 194 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:47,880 Speaker 3: Park or now it's called amerit Oh man, I need 195 00:10:47,960 --> 00:10:50,080 Speaker 3: to know this because it's an insurance company that's big 196 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:54,680 Speaker 3: and family. Oh god, what's the name. 197 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:56,320 Speaker 5: Of the park that they used to be called American 198 00:10:56,480 --> 00:10:57,720 Speaker 5: American Family Field? 199 00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:02,160 Speaker 3: At American Family Field? American Family is an insurance company. Anyway, 200 00:11:03,280 --> 00:11:06,000 Speaker 3: it's I'm not kidding. It's the best popcorn I've ever 201 00:11:06,040 --> 00:11:07,880 Speaker 3: had in my life. And I would challenge anybody now 202 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:11,440 Speaker 3: if you're one of those I like dry popcorn, I'm 203 00:11:11,559 --> 00:11:13,600 Speaker 3: not really sure you should should exist on this earth. 204 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:20,079 Speaker 3: But that's okay. Outside of people who like plane dry popcorn. 205 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:23,480 Speaker 3: It's the best popcorn I ever had. I don't know 206 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:24,560 Speaker 3: how I got that aside. 207 00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:27,920 Speaker 4: That surprises me because they have to mass produce those things, 208 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:30,520 Speaker 4: and you uhually do get the kind of the stale 209 00:11:30,640 --> 00:11:32,760 Speaker 4: and a bag popcorn at the ballpark. 210 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:37,640 Speaker 3: No, but they have the regular popcorn at the regular concessions. 211 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:40,959 Speaker 3: But then they have these red carts and they're like 212 00:11:41,040 --> 00:11:42,880 Speaker 3: big red carts. They're not like the little ones that 213 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:45,480 Speaker 3: you can get like in your your game room at 214 00:11:45,520 --> 00:11:47,199 Speaker 3: your house, like a big red cart and there's a 215 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:50,679 Speaker 3: you know, a woman or a man who's working there. 216 00:11:50,880 --> 00:11:54,600 Speaker 3: And then so they have like the popcorn being pop fresh, 217 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:57,200 Speaker 3: and then next to it they have the butter that's 218 00:11:57,280 --> 00:11:59,640 Speaker 3: just like boiling right there next to like real butter, 219 00:11:59,679 --> 00:12:02,080 Speaker 3: and they take like a ladle and they like sprinkle 220 00:12:02,120 --> 00:12:04,000 Speaker 3: it on, and then you take a little salt. You're like, 221 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:05,400 Speaker 3: this is the great thing of ever have my life. 222 00:12:05,520 --> 00:12:08,920 Speaker 4: That sounds amazing. It really amazing that way, and it's 223 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:11,160 Speaker 4: still Yeah, I think I haven't had. 224 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:11,959 Speaker 3: I don't know how they do it. 225 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:12,520 Speaker 4: The memory. 226 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:16,679 Speaker 3: There's a trick to it though, because again when you 227 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:20,000 Speaker 3: try and do the real butter at home, the popcorn 228 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:24,120 Speaker 3: can become mushy, still delicious, become mushy, right whatever. They 229 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:27,280 Speaker 3: especially use a hot butter. The cold butter doesn't work, 230 00:12:27,280 --> 00:12:28,719 Speaker 3: So I don't know how they do it. But the 231 00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:33,680 Speaker 3: the popcorn still maintains its consistency though it has real 232 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:37,360 Speaker 3: butter spread it. How we get it? Oh, we're talking 233 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:43,440 Speaker 3: about Jason, Jason, Jason. Now we're talking about Joey Chustnut. Yeah. 234 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:47,000 Speaker 3: I just I don't know, guys. I just I love 235 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:50,480 Speaker 3: the pump and circumstance and the sarcasm and how the 236 00:12:50,559 --> 00:12:52,080 Speaker 3: Nathan's people approach the whole thing. 237 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:52,360 Speaker 4: I do. 238 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:56,520 Speaker 3: It's fun, it's light, nothing else going on. But I 239 00:12:56,559 --> 00:12:58,679 Speaker 3: gotta be honest with you. It is like Home Run Derby. 240 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:00,319 Speaker 3: We're like, I've seen this before. 241 00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:03,120 Speaker 4: I know how it ends, and it's a tough watch. 242 00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:03,880 Speaker 4: Like I. 243 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:05,679 Speaker 3: Did. 244 00:13:05,800 --> 00:13:08,880 Speaker 4: I caught the summary to see how he ranked against 245 00:13:08,920 --> 00:13:12,480 Speaker 4: his other his other events and everything else. But there's 246 00:13:12,520 --> 00:13:15,280 Speaker 4: a TV and studio here, and I could have watched 247 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:19,680 Speaker 4: all seventy one dogs go down. I can't watch these 248 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:22,520 Speaker 4: people eat those hot dogs, and I don't understand the 249 00:13:22,679 --> 00:13:26,640 Speaker 4: thirst for that, like people love watching people eat. Like 250 00:13:26,760 --> 00:13:29,440 Speaker 4: it just seems it's just unsettling to me. I'm sorry, 251 00:13:29,559 --> 00:13:30,199 Speaker 4: it's not for me. 252 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:31,120 Speaker 3: I think it's. 253 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:33,800 Speaker 5: Different from watching people eat because I like plenty of 254 00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:36,040 Speaker 5: those what do they call them on YouTube? It's like 255 00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:40,120 Speaker 5: a Korean word muckbang or whatever. It's like, what is 256 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:41,040 Speaker 5: it called muokbang? 257 00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:44,920 Speaker 4: M uk ba ng. I haven't said anything sounds like 258 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:47,160 Speaker 4: a dirty word. It's not. I swear, I swear to 259 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:47,679 Speaker 4: God it's not. 260 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:50,920 Speaker 3: But I google that is. If I google that, will 261 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:51,440 Speaker 3: I be I. 262 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:52,160 Speaker 4: Think you're safe. 263 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:55,679 Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, but I think this is different from watching 264 00:13:55,760 --> 00:13:58,480 Speaker 5: someone just have a nice meal. This is like watching 265 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:03,079 Speaker 5: someone and we're seeing down hot dogs. Well, past their limit, 266 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:06,440 Speaker 5: like not even enjoying the food as they're just shoving 267 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:10,640 Speaker 5: it down their gullet and like working out the water 268 00:14:10,800 --> 00:14:14,120 Speaker 5: and everything. This is this is not this isn't how this. 269 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:16,840 Speaker 5: I think what turns people off from the hot doggieing 270 00:14:16,880 --> 00:14:19,000 Speaker 5: contest is like, this isn't how food is supposed to 271 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:23,160 Speaker 5: be consumed, and yet somehow we're just doing something grotesque, 272 00:14:23,280 --> 00:14:25,480 Speaker 5: beyond beyond even gluttony. 273 00:14:25,640 --> 00:14:29,400 Speaker 3: I feel like I think people watch to see somebody 274 00:14:29,440 --> 00:14:29,800 Speaker 3: throw up. 275 00:14:30,720 --> 00:14:32,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's too, but that also just makes it more disgusting. 276 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:38,760 Speaker 3: It's like it's like we were talking about this earlier 277 00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:45,480 Speaker 3: about you know, QFC potentially having a fight on the 278 00:14:46,400 --> 00:14:49,640 Speaker 3: White House lawn in a year, Right, There's a part 279 00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:53,480 Speaker 3: of me that watches because I like, because at the 280 00:14:53,560 --> 00:14:56,040 Speaker 3: end of some of these fights, you might have somebody 281 00:14:56,120 --> 00:14:59,240 Speaker 3: lose an eyeball, you know, you might. They're just you know, 282 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:02,240 Speaker 3: everybody know that meme with that woman who just looks 283 00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:05,080 Speaker 3: like her her face got rained over by a tractor, right, 284 00:15:05,160 --> 00:15:08,120 Speaker 3: and she's doing a postmatch interview. Like, there's part of 285 00:15:08,200 --> 00:15:11,320 Speaker 3: me that watches that for somebody's arms gonna get Oh 286 00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:14,240 Speaker 3: that's gross. So I do think that there's a portion 287 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:18,960 Speaker 3: of people that watch eating contests because they're secretly rooting 288 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:23,640 Speaker 3: for somebody to just like in stand by Me, throw 289 00:15:23,720 --> 00:15:29,280 Speaker 3: up everybody else. Anyway, there's a recap. 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I saw this story and I 310 00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:44,840 Speaker 3: thought it was really interesting that Lamar Jackson says he's 311 00:16:44,920 --> 00:16:48,640 Speaker 3: working on becoming more of a vocal leader. More of 312 00:16:48,680 --> 00:16:52,200 Speaker 3: a vocal leader. Uh, this is Lamar Jackson on with 313 00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:55,080 Speaker 3: Kevin Hart. What was the most difficult adjusting for you 314 00:16:55,800 --> 00:16:56,800 Speaker 3: in the NFL? 315 00:16:57,000 --> 00:16:57,640 Speaker 4: Just been leader? 316 00:16:57,920 --> 00:17:00,760 Speaker 2: Okay, I'm been leading because I'm I really don't. 317 00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:03,400 Speaker 5: I'm really not outspoken, like being vocal with my guys 318 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:05,440 Speaker 5: like oh, let's do this, and that got a great 319 00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:06,399 Speaker 5: motivational speech. 320 00:17:06,840 --> 00:17:09,080 Speaker 4: I don't have that, you know. I just pretty much lead. 321 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:09,320 Speaker 3: By his up. 322 00:17:09,480 --> 00:17:10,040 Speaker 7: I'll go out there. 323 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:11,160 Speaker 2: I'm gonna work hard. 324 00:17:11,600 --> 00:17:13,880 Speaker 4: I expect that out of you. But as I've been going, 325 00:17:14,080 --> 00:17:16,560 Speaker 4: like growing in the league, it's like, nah, you. 326 00:17:16,600 --> 00:17:19,200 Speaker 2: Gotta talk to the guys coaches and stuff like to 327 00:17:19,240 --> 00:17:19,720 Speaker 2: talk to the guys. 328 00:17:19,720 --> 00:17:20,679 Speaker 3: I'm all right now. 329 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:22,440 Speaker 7: I talked to him one on one, but certain things 330 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:24,480 Speaker 7: I'm saying, I gotta voice it more. 331 00:17:24,720 --> 00:17:26,359 Speaker 4: It was my opinion, more to those guys. 332 00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:30,280 Speaker 3: I think it's a really hard thing. And I love 333 00:17:30,359 --> 00:17:34,200 Speaker 3: that Lamar h expresses that it's something that he doesn't do. 334 00:17:34,359 --> 00:17:36,280 Speaker 3: He's you know, honestly got to know who you are 335 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:41,159 Speaker 3: in this world, especially as an athlete. But look, I 336 00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:44,280 Speaker 3: go back to my time playing in college. Our best 337 00:17:44,359 --> 00:17:49,520 Speaker 3: player up until my senior year was ironically same name 338 00:17:49,520 --> 00:17:52,400 Speaker 3: as the running back in Oklahoma later on, Adrian Peterson. 339 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:57,000 Speaker 3: And you know, the coaches wanted Adrian Peterson because I 340 00:17:57,119 --> 00:18:00,200 Speaker 3: Pete to be a vocal leader. Like, that's not who 341 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:03,399 Speaker 3: he is. He was our best player, everybody respected him. 342 00:18:04,119 --> 00:18:07,040 Speaker 3: When he said things, people responded, but he's just not 343 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:10,359 Speaker 3: a That wasn't who he was. And now in the 344 00:18:10,600 --> 00:18:13,760 Speaker 3: in coaching, it's like same thing with point guards, right 345 00:18:13,840 --> 00:18:15,560 Speaker 3: like you want your point guard to be vocal and 346 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:19,080 Speaker 3: be leader. On the other hand, it's really hard to 347 00:18:19,119 --> 00:18:23,560 Speaker 3: make somebody who's not into something that they're not. You 348 00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:26,600 Speaker 3: can make them better, like the Marken get better progressively 349 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:29,240 Speaker 3: over it. But that's what I've heard of Lamar as well, 350 00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:32,040 Speaker 3: which is like he just goes and does the work 351 00:18:32,080 --> 00:18:35,040 Speaker 3: and everybody likes him, and but in terms of in 352 00:18:35,160 --> 00:18:39,200 Speaker 3: front of a team or being demanding, it's not who 353 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:43,959 Speaker 3: he is, you know, verbally, And I just it sounds 354 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:46,719 Speaker 3: good to say to somebody, and it does. It's very 355 00:18:46,800 --> 00:18:49,680 Speaker 3: reasonable to go, I know myself, this is something I 356 00:18:49,760 --> 00:18:52,480 Speaker 3: need to do better. But the idea that you're going 357 00:18:52,560 --> 00:18:56,440 Speaker 3: to go from not not being a vocal leader to 358 00:18:56,560 --> 00:19:00,200 Speaker 3: being one, it's not a you can get better, but 359 00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:05,239 Speaker 3: you don't become one. I don't think we'll get back 360 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:06,760 Speaker 3: to some NFL stuff in a second. Let me get 361 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:11,720 Speaker 3: to Jason Stewart and then oh, okay, I'm sorry, would 362 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:17,200 Speaker 3: my mistake. We'll get Jay Stewart with the news upcoming. Yeah, 363 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:21,480 Speaker 3: I just I don't think you become a vocal leader. 364 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:24,040 Speaker 3: It's not just overnight. Even over years, you'll become better 365 00:19:24,119 --> 00:19:26,960 Speaker 3: and better and better. And he's obviously earned the respective 366 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:33,120 Speaker 3: of everybody in that franchise and everybody in the NFL. Right, 367 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:34,600 Speaker 3: you've been doing it long enough, He've been doing it 368 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:38,640 Speaker 3: really well. But that doesn't make somebody able to do something. 369 00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:40,280 Speaker 3: They're just not company. That's just not who they are. 370 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:49,400 Speaker 3: Here's another one. I played for a long time legendary 371 00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:52,640 Speaker 3: NBA head coach John McLeod when I played Notre Dame, 372 00:19:54,720 --> 00:20:00,159 Speaker 3: and you know, I had only played where coaches that 373 00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:08,639 Speaker 3: were intense verbally my dad, my high school coach, I 374 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:13,960 Speaker 3: played for two different high school coaches. They get after 375 00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:16,120 Speaker 3: it and they get after you, and they were demanding, 376 00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:20,080 Speaker 3: but demanding verbally, and so I'll never forget I played 377 00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:22,840 Speaker 3: not a Dave and John McLeod was the head coach 378 00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:27,320 Speaker 3: at the time. And you know, coach had coached it 379 00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:30,200 Speaker 3: with Phoenix with the Suns in what's called the greatest 380 00:20:30,320 --> 00:20:35,720 Speaker 3: NBA Finals game ever in the four overtime game against 381 00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:39,280 Speaker 3: the Celtics. He coached the New York Knicks, and everything 382 00:20:39,359 --> 00:20:43,760 Speaker 3: he did he did with with class. If he had 383 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:46,920 Speaker 3: a problem with something you were doing, you'd get to 384 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:49,959 Speaker 3: your dorm room. They would remember hotels, some of them 385 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:51,399 Speaker 3: still have it where they have the little red light 386 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:55,000 Speaker 3: that blinks when you have a message. Wasn't Notre Dame. 387 00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:57,359 Speaker 3: We had those phones in our rooms and you'd have 388 00:20:57,440 --> 00:20:59,800 Speaker 3: a message and the message would be from his secretary 389 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:02,400 Speaker 3: to come down to meet coach. And you come down, 390 00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:04,399 Speaker 3: you say, h had secretary of Sahil says and coaches, 391 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:06,480 Speaker 3: and he walk down his office with the very back 392 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:09,879 Speaker 3: office and you go in there and he'd offer you, 393 00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:13,680 Speaker 3: you know, a power raid or a water to drink 394 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:17,680 Speaker 3: and close the door and you'd watch some film and 395 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:20,000 Speaker 3: if he had something he needed to tell you. He'd 396 00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:24,240 Speaker 3: tell you so sternly, but only in person and not 397 00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:28,240 Speaker 3: in front of a group. And you know it wasn't 398 00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:32,200 Speaker 3: obviously you weren't very good his first year in the 399 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:38,520 Speaker 3: Big East. And yet he never lost his mind on us. 400 00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:42,480 Speaker 3: He never screamed at us. He didn't until and I'm 401 00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:44,520 Speaker 3: going to say it was like end of January. We're 402 00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:49,480 Speaker 3: playing at Boston College at the Conte Forum, and it 403 00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:52,560 Speaker 3: was a weird game because again this is how old 404 00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:55,680 Speaker 3: I am. Thirty years ago. Massive snowstorees one of the 405 00:21:55,680 --> 00:22:01,239 Speaker 3: biggest snows snowy winters on record, and so we had 406 00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:04,800 Speaker 3: to fly into Albany instead of Boston. Bust to Boston. 407 00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:08,119 Speaker 3: We thought our game was gonna get postponed. It was 408 00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:11,120 Speaker 3: moved from seven at night to nine at night. There 409 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:13,600 Speaker 3: might have been fifty people in the stands, because I mean, 410 00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:16,480 Speaker 3: you move a game time and there's a gigantic snowstorm outside, 411 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:19,679 Speaker 3: nothing else going on, and we're down like twenty one 412 00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:23,320 Speaker 3: and a half. We're just flat. Don't get me wrong, 413 00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:27,680 Speaker 3: they're better than us. But whether it's to travel or 414 00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:31,680 Speaker 3: just grew were mentally, I don't know. We're just flat. 415 00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:34,720 Speaker 3: And he lost his mind and started yelling at us, 416 00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:37,920 Speaker 3: and it was like painful to listen to him yell. 417 00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:40,520 Speaker 3: I mean, here's a guy who's at the time, probably 418 00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:44,639 Speaker 3: in his late fifties to maybe early sixties. Classies can 419 00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:52,160 Speaker 3: be like watch beautiful gold like Rolex suit. His tie 420 00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:55,720 Speaker 3: was always immaculate, his hair was perfect like the guy 421 00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:59,760 Speaker 3: smelled good like he wouldn't look he'd looked like a professional, 422 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:03,959 Speaker 3: high level NBA coach and everything was classy and everything 423 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:06,080 Speaker 3: would be like this, And then he lost his mind 424 00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:07,760 Speaker 3: on us and he tried to yell and he just 425 00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:13,520 Speaker 3: basically lost his voice yelling. And it dawned on me then, 426 00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:16,680 Speaker 3: which is like, you can't be something you're not. He 427 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:21,200 Speaker 3: wasn't a yeller, don't try and be a yeller. And 428 00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:23,840 Speaker 3: I would be fascinated to see what happens with if 429 00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:26,840 Speaker 3: Lamar tries to get onto people or you know, tries 430 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:28,960 Speaker 3: to be more verbal and it's just not who he is. 431 00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:39,320 Speaker 3: So yeah, I think of those two people, of Adrian 432 00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:42,040 Speaker 3: Peterson and of John McCleod, but I think of people 433 00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:46,200 Speaker 3: trying to make others into something they are not. You 434 00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:50,119 Speaker 3: can't make a non leader leader, and you can't make somebody. 435 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:53,600 Speaker 3: Can't make somebody a yeller? Who's not a yeller? 436 00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:58,720 Speaker 5: Yeah, profet I this kind of this kind of critique 437 00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:01,040 Speaker 5: that it has to be the quarterback who's you know, 438 00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:03,800 Speaker 5: the leader too, is like I'm going to imagine the 439 00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:07,119 Speaker 5: Ravens are nothing short of leaders on that offense. It 440 00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:09,600 Speaker 5: just happens to be one of them, one of the 441 00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:13,560 Speaker 5: vocal ones. Just isn't Lamar Jackson like it? Yeah, every 442 00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:17,320 Speaker 5: football team. It's just very odd that it seems to 443 00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:19,760 Speaker 5: be that we place this upon the quarter I know 444 00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:22,400 Speaker 5: why we do it. Why the quarterback is the one 445 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:24,280 Speaker 5: that we always constantly look for the leader. But like 446 00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:28,760 Speaker 5: that Ravens offense has worked very well without such a 447 00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:31,680 Speaker 5: leader because they have other leaders there right now. It's 448 00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:34,520 Speaker 5: probably along the offensive line or you know, a wide 449 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:37,400 Speaker 5: receiver that gets fired up, or even a position coach 450 00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:38,760 Speaker 5: that gets fired up. 451 00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:39,359 Speaker 3: But I I. 452 00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:43,320 Speaker 5: It, Yeah, I'm with you. It just kind of feels 453 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:45,359 Speaker 5: like this is a this is an odd archetype to 454 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:47,879 Speaker 5: try to shove Lamar Jackson into. If you can't do it, 455 00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:48,480 Speaker 5: you can't do it. 456 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:52,480 Speaker 3: I just I also, I think you just have to 457 00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:53,840 Speaker 3: find your way of leading. 458 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:54,360 Speaker 2: Yeah. 459 00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:57,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's really what it is. He's right, you gotta 460 00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:01,320 Speaker 3: be you gotta be verbal, you gotta be demanding, but 461 00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:03,040 Speaker 3: you have to you have to lead in your way. 462 00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:06,040 Speaker 3: I don't think you can be successful with your quarterbacks 463 00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:07,760 Speaker 3: not your leader or one of you know, he's got 464 00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:11,359 Speaker 3: to be your leader, especially as much money, attention a 465 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:14,920 Speaker 3: claim as he gets. You gotta be a leader. That 466 00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:18,000 Speaker 3: that is the position. But in terms of yelling, getting 467 00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:21,600 Speaker 3: onto guys, being verbal, I do think you need it, 468 00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:24,240 Speaker 3: but I think you got to figure out how it 469 00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:27,680 Speaker 3: fits your personality and the dynamic of your group. Not 470 00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:30,840 Speaker 3: every not every group, not every year requires the same 471 00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:35,560 Speaker 3: type or amount of leadership. Let's get to Jason Stewart 472 00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:36,040 Speaker 3: with the news. 473 00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:45,119 Speaker 2: No, no, no, this is the Herd Line News. 474 00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:49,280 Speaker 3: Hello Jason, Hello Doug. 475 00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:53,720 Speaker 4: So the Lakers have signed They're bringing back Jackson Hayes. 476 00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:57,280 Speaker 4: Uh big man, right, but he will obviously what back 477 00:25:57,400 --> 00:26:01,560 Speaker 4: up DeAndre Ayden? Big news the Lakers this week signing uh, 478 00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:05,119 Speaker 4: the former first overall pick DeAndre Ayton. So what do 479 00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:08,120 Speaker 4: you think about their uh, their situation in the post? 480 00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:13,639 Speaker 3: They're Doug, Well, Jackson Hayes fits more. How Luca plays. 481 00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:15,280 Speaker 3: You know, Luca wants to come off and he he's 482 00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:18,480 Speaker 3: a lob guy. But it doesn't feel like the Lakers 483 00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:25,760 Speaker 3: love Jackson Hayes, So yeah, I don't. I don't know 484 00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:29,320 Speaker 3: what their dealer is with him. Uh DeAndre Ayton is 485 00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:32,480 Speaker 3: a pretty talented fella scoring the basketball, and he's good 486 00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:36,600 Speaker 3: on pick and roll, but he's a catch on the 487 00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:39,200 Speaker 3: roll and make a play sort of guy. And he's 488 00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:43,080 Speaker 3: not really a rim protector defensively. So the first thing 489 00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:45,600 Speaker 3: is those are two guys that are trying to find 490 00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:48,560 Speaker 3: that fit with Luka Donca, that's what they'll go to. 491 00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:53,920 Speaker 3: But I don't think either make them a championship contender. 492 00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:57,159 Speaker 3: And the biggest issue with Ayton is he's not a 493 00:26:57,240 --> 00:27:01,280 Speaker 3: plus player defensively. And while you go with that, when 494 00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:05,760 Speaker 3: you have Luca, you have Lebron, you have Austin Reeves. 495 00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:11,959 Speaker 3: Those are three minuses defensively, and in the NBA now 496 00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:14,399 Speaker 3: you can only maybe have one, and he's still got 497 00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:16,240 Speaker 3: to be really good around that person defensively. 498 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:24,440 Speaker 4: Over in Phoenix, there's a report that the Sons and 499 00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:29,160 Speaker 4: Bradley Beal are discussing a buyout two years, one hundred 500 00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:32,280 Speaker 4: and ten million dollars contract of the Room. Any contracts 501 00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:36,080 Speaker 4: Bradley Beal I think gets a lot of negative attention. 502 00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:41,359 Speaker 4: He wasn't available that much this past season, but at 503 00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:45,520 Speaker 4: thirty two years old, how valuable would he be on 504 00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:46,080 Speaker 4: the market. 505 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:49,760 Speaker 3: I think Bradley Beal is the classic best player and 506 00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:53,280 Speaker 3: a bad team every bad here's the expression in basketball, 507 00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:57,920 Speaker 3: every bad team as a leading scorer, Well what does 508 00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:01,000 Speaker 3: that mean? It was really hard to I've always liked 509 00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:04,480 Speaker 3: Bradley Beal, Like Bradley Beale supposedly like has like a 510 00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:07,680 Speaker 3: thirty two waist, Like the guy keeps himself in unbelievable shape, 511 00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:10,639 Speaker 3: just a stud and no matter how bad they were 512 00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:19,879 Speaker 3: in Washington, always professional. But he gets to the Suns 513 00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:22,560 Speaker 3: and it's been an abject disaster, and it leads you 514 00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:25,320 Speaker 3: to think, like, yeah, he's It's the Damian Lillard thing 515 00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:28,600 Speaker 3: where people for years like get him out of there, 516 00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:30,600 Speaker 3: get him on a championship team, get him on a 517 00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:33,639 Speaker 3: better team so his talents can get recognized. Then you 518 00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:36,040 Speaker 3: put him on a better team in they're not nearly 519 00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:38,560 Speaker 3: that good. That's where I think he is. 520 00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:44,760 Speaker 4: Doug lost in the whole Quainton Kershall three thousand strikeout 521 00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:49,440 Speaker 4: the other night, like literally like a couple pitches before 522 00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:53,040 Speaker 4: he got that three thousand k Max Munsey had a 523 00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:56,200 Speaker 4: very scary situation at third base where he was covering 524 00:28:56,760 --> 00:29:01,000 Speaker 4: a runner trying to steal third base, and the replay 525 00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:04,360 Speaker 4: shows that Max Muntsey took a real shot to the knee. 526 00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:07,720 Speaker 4: The Dodgers feared the worst, but they actually got some 527 00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:12,800 Speaker 4: pretty good news yesterday as it's there's no structural damage 528 00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:15,520 Speaker 4: and they're probably going to be without him for several weeks. 529 00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:18,160 Speaker 4: Monthly has been on a tear for the past three 530 00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:21,400 Speaker 4: or four weeks. He will be missed, but good news 531 00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:23,120 Speaker 4: for the Dodgers, it looks like he's going to be 532 00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:24,800 Speaker 4: back by the end of the season. 533 00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:28,320 Speaker 3: That is good news, but it was a scary one. 534 00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:32,000 Speaker 3: Like every person who say it, like me is a 535 00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:36,200 Speaker 3: medical professional on social media's like ooh, ooh, what do 536 00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:37,680 Speaker 3: we think? What do we think that is? He starts 537 00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:40,680 Speaker 3: sending it to your friends, profet, I've never asked you. 538 00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:44,280 Speaker 3: Jase dow has answered this one three ties people in 539 00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:49,440 Speaker 3: this world. You hear about an injury, you either don't 540 00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:51,120 Speaker 3: want to see it ever, don't show it to me, 541 00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:54,320 Speaker 3: I don't care. Type two is I want to see 542 00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:56,800 Speaker 3: it once just a cataloging, so I know what everybody's 543 00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:59,960 Speaker 3: talking about Type three is. I just put it on replay. 544 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,040 Speaker 3: I want to see it as many times as possible. 545 00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:02,560 Speaker 4: Wish for you. 546 00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:07,280 Speaker 5: I think I would state I am a Type one. However, 547 00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:11,200 Speaker 5: I think the curiosity in me is so strong that 548 00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:14,720 Speaker 5: I end up begrudgingly being a Type two. I will 549 00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:17,440 Speaker 5: never admit openly of being the Type two to people, 550 00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:20,760 Speaker 5: but I will eventually just just to get a frame 551 00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:23,120 Speaker 5: of context about it. I do have bad luck in 552 00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:25,400 Speaker 5: that I keep seeing a lot of these things live. 553 00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:30,280 Speaker 5: Because I saw Kevin Ware's injury live. I saw who 554 00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:35,080 Speaker 5: is a USC fighter? Oh Anderson Silva. Specifically, something about 555 00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:37,880 Speaker 5: legs bothers me if it's a leg injury. I try 556 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:39,920 Speaker 5: not to watch it as best I can, just because 557 00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:44,560 Speaker 5: there's something about a leg that just really does not work. 558 00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:44,840 Speaker 3: Well with me. 559 00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:51,320 Speaker 4: Jay Stu, I certainly do not want to watch those things. 560 00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:53,400 Speaker 4: In fact, the other night there was there was this 561 00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:57,440 Speaker 4: thing that happened on the Y broadcast where they didn't 562 00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:00,720 Speaker 4: show the replay of it, and then, to make matters 563 00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:03,720 Speaker 4: a little bit more scary, the broadcaster at the time said, 564 00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:06,320 Speaker 4: we're not going to show the replay We've decided as 565 00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:09,240 Speaker 4: a production crew not to show the replay. So you're like, 566 00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:14,040 Speaker 4: oh my god, did his leg fall off? So considering 567 00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:19,120 Speaker 4: all the drama, again, this diagnosis is pretty good news. 568 00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:19,800 Speaker 3: Uh. 569 00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:22,000 Speaker 4: The Dodgers have plenty to fill in. They even have 570 00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:25,000 Speaker 4: a trade deadline to add, maybe an extra glove if 571 00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:28,600 Speaker 4: they want it. Personally, I wouldn't mind them seeing maybe 572 00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:31,080 Speaker 4: given Will Smith some reps at third get them out 573 00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:35,840 Speaker 4: from beyond home plate. But yeah, good news for the Dodgers. 574 00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:39,920 Speaker 3: Here, Yes, in escape for the Dodgers. Because it it 575 00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:44,160 Speaker 3: it looks worse and that's Jesus. Start with the news. 576 00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:48,520 Speaker 2: Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the 577 00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:50,120 Speaker 2: Herd Line news. 578 00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:58,160 Speaker 3: Steelers a kind of acting unstealer like, right, A traditionally conservative, 579 00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:02,960 Speaker 3: successful organization is tired of just being good? But have 580 00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:05,479 Speaker 3: they made the right moves to be great? Well that's 581 00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:07,600 Speaker 3: Mark Dominic. He joins his next in the Hurt. 582 00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:10,320 Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays 583 00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:12,320 Speaker 2: and noon Easter not a Empacific. 584 00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:13,400 Speaker 1: What up? 585 00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:17,000 Speaker 3: Dou gottlieb in for Collins heard Fox Sports Radio, iHeartRadio app. 586 00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:22,360 Speaker 3: Mark Stinal joined us. Next hour, we'll talk about I mean, 587 00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:25,080 Speaker 3: does Lebron legit want to be traded? Like Brian Windhors 588 00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:27,120 Speaker 3: kind of opened the door. I think that was yesterday. 589 00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:32,160 Speaker 3: That's next hour on the show. But in the meantime, 590 00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:35,800 Speaker 3: let's focus our attention on the NFL. And it's a 591 00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:39,040 Speaker 3: kind of a unique year. I saw where you guys 592 00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:41,520 Speaker 3: see where emanuelat show predicted that this is going to 593 00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:43,560 Speaker 3: be the beginning of a Super Bowl as streak from 594 00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:49,480 Speaker 3: the Jets. Now here's my issue, and he did provide 595 00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:55,120 Speaker 3: some substance to his argument. My issue is I get 596 00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:59,560 Speaker 3: that this is like the Tom Brady fall off that 597 00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:06,600 Speaker 3: Max Kellerman and Rob Parker and others predicted, and it 598 00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:11,640 Speaker 3: never really came to fruition, never really came to fruition. 599 00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:15,440 Speaker 3: He wasn't great his last year in Tampa, but he 600 00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:17,760 Speaker 3: was good enough. His team wasn't very good, he was 601 00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:21,320 Speaker 3: outstanding for the most part. I mean had look even 602 00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:23,640 Speaker 3: in Green Bay when they beat the Packers. You know 603 00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:26,520 Speaker 3: that was that COVID year half full stadium. He was 604 00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:28,760 Speaker 3: bad in the second half, but spectacul in the first half. 605 00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:33,920 Speaker 3: But my point is that calling somebody's career beginning the 606 00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:38,680 Speaker 3: downward trend and decline is not an unreasonable thing, and 607 00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:41,400 Speaker 3: eventually somebody's going to be right if you make that 608 00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:52,080 Speaker 3: prediction every year, But I mean every year Patrick Mahomes 609 00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:54,280 Speaker 3: has been the starting quarterback of the Chiefs, they've at 610 00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:59,840 Speaker 3: minimum reached the AFC Championship Game. So it's not like 611 00:33:59,880 --> 00:34:03,160 Speaker 3: you've got to be flogged for saying it. But don't 612 00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:06,000 Speaker 3: tell me you're pregnant. Show me the baby. You know, 613 00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:07,800 Speaker 3: if you don't think they're going through a Super Bowl, 614 00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:09,880 Speaker 3: that's fine. They may not. You may end up right, 615 00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:16,120 Speaker 3: Jase do You and I are Charger fans hardcore, But 616 00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:19,680 Speaker 3: there's not one moment of any day in which either 617 00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:21,960 Speaker 3: of us if you said, hey, gun to your head, 618 00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:24,600 Speaker 3: you got to put your salary or even a monthly 619 00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:27,880 Speaker 3: salary on a team to win the AFC West, that 620 00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:30,239 Speaker 3: we would pick anybody other than the Kansasy Chiefs. 621 00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:33,839 Speaker 4: Is that fair, Jase dou Yeah, no, no doubt that's fair. 622 00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:37,640 Speaker 3: All right, more football talk. Let's welcome in Mark Dominic, 623 00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:40,359 Speaker 3: good friend of my show, The Doug Gottlieb Show Course, 624 00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:43,120 Speaker 3: gentle manager the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. He spent his entire 625 00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:46,880 Speaker 3: professional life in the NFL, scouting in the front offices, 626 00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:48,880 Speaker 3: and now I appearing with us in the Herd on 627 00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:54,719 Speaker 3: Fox Sports Radio. Help me understand why we'll get to 628 00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:57,319 Speaker 3: the Steelers on the whole, and maybe that's what it's 629 00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:00,279 Speaker 3: related to. But why not extend? TJ. 630 00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:05,399 Speaker 7: Watt, Well, I think you want to because I still 631 00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:07,239 Speaker 7: believe there's a lot of good football inside of him. 632 00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:10,759 Speaker 7: It might be more of a Steeler's mentality of like 633 00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:13,560 Speaker 7: how they negotiate. You know, Omar Khan, the general manager there, 634 00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:18,440 Speaker 7: came from obviously the salary cap side, and Pittsburgh has 635 00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:20,960 Speaker 7: been notoriously a little trickier to negotiate with. 636 00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:22,920 Speaker 2: And I think that's part of it. 637 00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:25,400 Speaker 7: And I think what Pittsburgh's gonna have to do if 638 00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:28,520 Speaker 7: they don't extend, in which I think they should. I 639 00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:32,160 Speaker 7: think it's very reasonable. I mean, the numbers astronomical even 640 00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:35,040 Speaker 7: at his age, but I think he's got at least 641 00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:38,239 Speaker 7: two years one plus two, so three more years in 642 00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:40,920 Speaker 7: him at I think a ten plus tag type of performance. 643 00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:43,480 Speaker 7: So it's just a matter of, you know, understanding the 644 00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:45,560 Speaker 7: dynamics of how you could structure it. The only other 645 00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:49,040 Speaker 7: thing Pittsburgh can do is really sweetened up this year's 646 00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:50,839 Speaker 7: deal with a lot of incentives to say, hey, look, 647 00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:53,160 Speaker 7: play this one out, go hit free and see find 648 00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:55,480 Speaker 7: out what you're worth. We won't franchise tag you. That's 649 00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:56,880 Speaker 7: the only other way I think you'll get to the 650 00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:57,319 Speaker 7: right spot. 651 00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:02,839 Speaker 3: Okay, you look at what they've done. Aaron Rodgers like, yeah, 652 00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:06,160 Speaker 3: probably my last year. Last year, they go and trade 653 00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:08,520 Speaker 3: for Jalen Ramsey, they go and make some moves. It's 654 00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:11,400 Speaker 3: for the For the Steelers, this is kind of an 655 00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:13,360 Speaker 3: all in approach, right whereas they've been kind of a 656 00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:17,719 Speaker 3: picture of consistency and that's their usual approach. Do you 657 00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:20,719 Speaker 3: like what they put in place? If this is just 658 00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:24,160 Speaker 3: a one year run to try and you know, take 659 00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:28,120 Speaker 3: a shot at the Super Bowl? I like it. 660 00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:30,960 Speaker 7: I don't love it. There's a couple of things that 661 00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:34,560 Speaker 7: really make me nervous about the Steelers. Number one, and 662 00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:36,520 Speaker 7: I hate to say it, but you know, Rogert Jones, 663 00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:39,279 Speaker 7: their first rounder back in twenty three, is going to 664 00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:41,880 Speaker 7: have to carry a lot of weight, meaning you know, 665 00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:43,759 Speaker 7: he has been up and down when he's been on 666 00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:47,160 Speaker 7: the field, and I'm worried that Aaron Rodgers is going 667 00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:49,200 Speaker 7: to feel a lot of pressure from the left side. 668 00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:51,880 Speaker 7: I think that's a big stretch there that they've got 669 00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:53,959 Speaker 7: to deal with. I think center guard and right tackle 670 00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:56,239 Speaker 7: they're in great shape. You know, John news Smith is 671 00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:58,040 Speaker 7: gonna bring him little more speed with Farremouth, so I 672 00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:02,759 Speaker 7: appreciate that. You know, they've got some veteran receivers there, 673 00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:04,520 Speaker 7: but they don't have a lot of depth at wide receiver. 674 00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:06,520 Speaker 7: So there's you know, it would be important for Roman 675 00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:08,000 Speaker 7: Wilson and you know, get on the field this year 676 00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:09,759 Speaker 7: and see what he can do. I think he does 677 00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:11,200 Speaker 7: come down to t J. Watt as much as I 678 00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:14,120 Speaker 7: think Aaron can lift his team. The problem is you've 679 00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:16,000 Speaker 7: got to have wa on the football field, and you 680 00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:19,040 Speaker 7: still have Cincinnati, and you still have the Ravens, and 681 00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:21,200 Speaker 7: so yeah, you could push, and I think that's what 682 00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:23,160 Speaker 7: they're thinking. It's like, how do we get over that hump? 683 00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:25,200 Speaker 7: Because if we can win at a vision, we got 684 00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:27,160 Speaker 7: a chance to go to the super Bowl. Right now, 685 00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:29,920 Speaker 7: I still see Pittsburgh as a ten to maybe eleven 686 00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:32,359 Speaker 7: win season type of teams, but I don't think they're 687 00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:36,160 Speaker 7: good enough overall to surpass where the Ravens are. 688 00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:42,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, there was this there's a story out there where 689 00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:46,480 Speaker 3: Lamar Jackson he actually told Kevin Hart like, hey, I 690 00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:49,319 Speaker 3: gotta be more vocal. I gotta I got to get 691 00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:50,440 Speaker 3: better at that. I got to be more of a 692 00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:54,960 Speaker 3: vocal leader. From from my perspective, I don't think you 693 00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:57,120 Speaker 3: could make somebody who's not a vocal leader and do 694 00:37:57,200 --> 00:38:00,239 Speaker 3: a vocal leader. Am I You've been around this long time? 695 00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:00,640 Speaker 3: I wrong? 696 00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:03,680 Speaker 7: No, you're not wrong. I think you either are or 697 00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:05,719 Speaker 7: you're not. You know, you lead by example and work 698 00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:08,680 Speaker 7: ethic or you you can vocally lead people because you 699 00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:10,200 Speaker 7: know the right thing to say at the right time. 700 00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:11,600 Speaker 7: There's one thing that that there's that need to be 701 00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:15,280 Speaker 7: more vocal, but it's it's I think the vocal leaders 702 00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:17,279 Speaker 7: that are really good know exactly what to say. I mean, 703 00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:20,080 Speaker 7: how many times have we watched Ray Lewis pregame speech 704 00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:22,200 Speaker 7: and you're like, that guy nailed it. He's just like 705 00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:25,360 Speaker 7: that guy's are a really great pregame speecher speaker. And 706 00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:28,200 Speaker 7: so you see different guys have that, and that's why 707 00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:31,040 Speaker 7: you know things like why do scouts go to practice 708 00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:33,279 Speaker 7: when you can watch everything on tape well, because you 709 00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:35,759 Speaker 7: can see how a guy is a leader, Like why 710 00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:37,520 Speaker 7: do we like the East West Shrine, Why do we 711 00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:39,680 Speaker 7: like the Senior Bowl because we get to see guys 712 00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:41,880 Speaker 7: in leadership roles and see how they do this as 713 00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:44,040 Speaker 7: natural to them and so all that's part of the 714 00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:47,640 Speaker 7: evaluation process. But I agree, I think it's a lot 715 00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:49,719 Speaker 7: harder for somebody. I don't think you can. I shouldn'tay 716 00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:51,279 Speaker 7: it's a lot harder. I don't think you can become 717 00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:54,880 Speaker 7: the suddenly this vocal leader because I just don't think 718 00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:56,959 Speaker 7: it's natural. That's why you haven't been like that since 719 00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:57,480 Speaker 7: the beginning. 720 00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:04,040 Speaker 3: What's your take on Jordan love And I asked that 721 00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:06,680 Speaker 3: because you and I we've talked weekly here for the 722 00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:10,960 Speaker 3: last couple of years. I was surprised when they extended 723 00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:16,480 Speaker 3: him despite kind of a limited sample size baby to 724 00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:20,720 Speaker 3: the extent that they paid him. The numbers were astronomical 725 00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:23,759 Speaker 3: in terms of touchdowns, but there was a string of turnovers, 726 00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:27,800 Speaker 3: and he is inexperience and is relatively young and didn't 727 00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:31,279 Speaker 3: have a number one wide receiver. But they also didn't 728 00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:34,920 Speaker 3: play well in division games. They won one division game 729 00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:38,640 Speaker 3: and that's on a botch special teams play by the Bears. 730 00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:41,520 Speaker 3: A couple of years into being a starter. Where are 731 00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:42,480 Speaker 3: you and Jordan Love. 732 00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:44,080 Speaker 2: Well? 733 00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:47,359 Speaker 7: I would sit there and I know at the end 734 00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:49,640 Speaker 7: of the season, they had a couple of really, really 735 00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:51,880 Speaker 7: tough losses by a couple of points, like you just mentioned, 736 00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:53,799 Speaker 7: and I think that was certainly kind of what hurt 737 00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:56,520 Speaker 7: them through the whole season. But I think when I 738 00:39:56,560 --> 00:40:00,279 Speaker 7: look at Jordan Love, I have been impressed even more 739 00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:03,160 Speaker 7: than I think I was originally going to be the candid. 740 00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:05,520 Speaker 7: I saw a good player, but I didn't think he 741 00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:08,719 Speaker 7: would be this level. Yeah. I know last year may 742 00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:10,719 Speaker 7: not have been you know, his best in completions, in 743 00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:14,200 Speaker 7: yards and touchdowns, et cetera. But I still believe in 744 00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:17,040 Speaker 7: him in terms of how good he is with the 745 00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:19,600 Speaker 7: touchdown interception ratio, and that's a critical thing. And I 746 00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:22,080 Speaker 7: know it seems so simplistic, but look at the Trevor 747 00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:23,680 Speaker 7: Lawrence is the world. Look at the guys that really 748 00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:25,719 Speaker 7: struggle in this area, and Jordan Love has it. And 749 00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:27,440 Speaker 7: some of that might be systemed, but he's still got 750 00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:29,920 Speaker 7: to make good decisions. I think the Packers are much 751 00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:33,359 Speaker 7: better football team, you know, I think overall, I think 752 00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:35,799 Speaker 7: they're going to be right there with Detroit in terms 753 00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:38,200 Speaker 7: of battling for the division title. And I don't see 754 00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:39,799 Speaker 7: any reason why Jordan Love is going to take any 755 00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:42,800 Speaker 7: more of a quote unquote step back. I certainly, you know, 756 00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:44,480 Speaker 7: believe that a couple things are going to happen for 757 00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:46,840 Speaker 7: him this year. Number one, you talked about it, Matthew 758 00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:48,480 Speaker 7: Golden's on the roster, and that's going to be another 759 00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:50,200 Speaker 7: big weapon for him. That's going to be important. But 760 00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:52,560 Speaker 7: number two is Luke Musgrave will be back. And I 761 00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:56,520 Speaker 7: think that they missed having Tuckercraft and Musgrave informations out 762 00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:58,560 Speaker 7: on the field lest year that really hurt them, and 763 00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:00,560 Speaker 7: so I think that's going to be a big piece 764 00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:02,200 Speaker 7: for them and why they're going to be a better team. 765 00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:04,000 Speaker 7: And I think it's also going to be better on defense, 766 00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:06,879 Speaker 7: you know, because they're more familiar now with obviously Jeff 767 00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:09,440 Speaker 7: Hapley in the system and getting more and more concise 768 00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:12,520 Speaker 7: and set in that role. So I like this team, 769 00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:15,480 Speaker 7: you know. I think they're going to battle Detroit. I 770 00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:17,600 Speaker 7: don't think as a slamdunky Detroit wins this division. I 771 00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:19,080 Speaker 7: think the Green Bay Packers are right there. 772 00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:21,960 Speaker 3: All right, we are on Collins Show. I got thirty seconds. 773 00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:25,440 Speaker 3: Are you a buyer into the new Caleb Williams the 774 00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:29,080 Speaker 3: year two new coach, more offensive weapons running to Kayleb Williams. 775 00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:33,680 Speaker 7: I think we're gonna see a consistent I think we're 776 00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:35,279 Speaker 7: gonna see a lot of the same Caleb Williams we 777 00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:36,640 Speaker 7: saw last year. I think it's going to be good, 778 00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:37,719 Speaker 7: but I don't think it's going to go to the 779 00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:38,200 Speaker 7: next level. 780 00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:41,600 Speaker 3: Right, all right, that's Mark Domin. Mark, have a great fourth. 781 00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:43,759 Speaker 3: We'll talk to you this week. Thanks for being our guests. 782 00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:45,040 Speaker 7: Great talking to you. Have a great fourth. 783 00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:48,920 Speaker 3: That's Mark Dominic, who's the long time in the Nashville 784 00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:52,160 Speaker 3: the League foreign jail manager of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. 785 00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:54,480 Speaker 3: I'm Doug Gottlieb. This is the Herd on Fox Ports. 786 00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:58,040 Speaker 3: Ready on the iHeartRadio app. Coming up next, How should 787 00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:05,280 Speaker 3: the Lakers interpret Lebron James's latest passive aggressive comments about 788 00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:09,879 Speaker 3: the franchise and his future. Let's have it out. We'll 789 00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:11,880 Speaker 3: do so next to the Doug Gottlieb Show. Excuse me 790 00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:13,480 Speaker 3: in the Herd on Fox Sports Radio.