1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,400 Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on 2 00:00:03,520 --> 00:00:06,880 Speaker 1: iHeartRadio and welcome back to Coast to Coast. George Nori 3 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:08,800 Speaker 1: with you along with Jeffrey Smith. We're going to take 4 00:00:08,800 --> 00:00:12,480 Speaker 1: calls with Jeffrey next our do watch his sixteen minute 5 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:15,520 Speaker 1: film called Don't Let the Gene out of the Bottle 6 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:19,840 Speaker 1: and you can get it at protect Nature nil dot com. Jeffrey, 7 00:00:19,840 --> 00:00:23,439 Speaker 1: where you're talking about the H four avian virus, why 8 00:00:23,560 --> 00:00:26,920 Speaker 1: is it that originated in Shanghai? What is it about 9 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:31,040 Speaker 1: China where all these viruses start? You know, it's hard 10 00:00:31,080 --> 00:00:33,360 Speaker 1: to say. I mean, it was interesting that when they 11 00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:37,000 Speaker 1: tried to go to the caves where their people had 12 00:00:37,040 --> 00:00:40,839 Speaker 1: contracted something like the coronavirus, they were blocked. There's a 13 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:43,280 Speaker 1: whole story that had happened with AP I think it 14 00:00:43,360 --> 00:00:46,559 Speaker 1: might have happened with DBC as well. But what's interesting 15 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:50,800 Speaker 1: is that the USA today a few years ago pointed 16 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:54,560 Speaker 1: out that many of the handlers of these pandemic pathogens 17 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:58,080 Speaker 1: that are worked on in the laboratory to what's called 18 00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:00,680 Speaker 1: gain of function, in other words, in hnce them so 19 00:01:00,760 --> 00:01:04,640 Speaker 1: that they are either more deadly or more infectious, that 20 00:01:04,760 --> 00:01:10,160 Speaker 1: many of them actually had either escaped or near escapes 21 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:15,039 Speaker 1: hundreds and hundreds of accidents. And so when in twenty 22 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:18,920 Speaker 1: fourteen it was announced that this H five N one 23 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:21,560 Speaker 1: eight and flu, which is as much as twenty four 24 00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:25,399 Speaker 1: times more deadly than the COVID nineteen virus, had been 25 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:30,039 Speaker 1: made airborne, imagine what that would have been like had 26 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:35,560 Speaker 1: that been one of the deadly pathogens that escaped. Our 27 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:40,280 Speaker 1: movement Protect Nature Now. At protect nature now dot com, 28 00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:45,280 Speaker 1: we have two main goals. One is no genetic enhancement 29 00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 1: of potentially pandemic pathogens so that we don't test fate. 30 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:54,000 Speaker 1: But the other one is no outdoor release of any 31 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:59,040 Speaker 1: genetically engineered microbes, whether they're pathogens or not. That's because 32 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:02,880 Speaker 1: the microbio is critical to our health, it's critical to 33 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:07,160 Speaker 1: environmental health, and when you release a microbe, it can 34 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:10,280 Speaker 1: travel around the world, it can mutate, and it can 35 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:15,960 Speaker 1: swap genetic elements. The microbiome has evolved over billions of years. 36 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 1: It actually operates about nine of all human metabolic functions 37 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:25,919 Speaker 1: because we have outsourced it over the millennia to the microbiome, 38 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:30,160 Speaker 1: there's some amazing stories of how intelligent it is. And 39 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 1: yet when we introduce a genetically engineered microbe. It can 40 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:40,240 Speaker 1: disrupt our own microbiome, and a disrupted microbiome is responsible 41 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:44,760 Speaker 1: for about eighty percent of chronic diseases. It also can 42 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:49,960 Speaker 1: cause damage or even collapse of ecosystems. But unfortunately, George, 43 00:02:50,440 --> 00:02:53,480 Speaker 1: you can buy a gene editing kit on Amazon for 44 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:57,440 Speaker 1: one hundred and sixty nine dollars, and for some more investment, 45 00:02:58,080 --> 00:03:01,120 Speaker 1: you can create your own home lab and create new 46 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:05,359 Speaker 1: genetically engineered microbes every day and release them into the 47 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:09,520 Speaker 1: environment where there is no recall. You cannot pull it 48 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:12,639 Speaker 1: out of the gene pool. If it survives, it can 49 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:16,760 Speaker 1: go everywhere and interact with ecosystems it was never designed 50 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:21,799 Speaker 1: to and cause significant problems that are entirely unpredictable. How 51 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:24,840 Speaker 1: many people are out there playing around like that, Jeffrey, Well, 52 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:30,480 Speaker 1: virtually every biology department, every biology lab uses gene editing. 53 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:34,720 Speaker 1: Crisper is the most common one, but there's other types 54 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:37,680 Speaker 1: as well. Of course, the developers of Crisper just won 55 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:41,720 Speaker 1: a Nobel Prize. Now they have been reading the literature 56 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 1: as I have. And if you read the literature put 57 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:49,520 Speaker 1: out the biotic industry, you get the impression that gene 58 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:54,880 Speaker 1: editing is safe, predictable, and natural, and they have used 59 00:03:54,960 --> 00:04:00,560 Speaker 1: that lie to convince governments, the United States government, Brazil, Japan, 60 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:06,160 Speaker 1: all over the world that gene editing should not be 61 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:10,120 Speaker 1: considered genetic engineering and should not even be regulated. So 62 00:04:10,160 --> 00:04:13,520 Speaker 1: you can gene edit microbes and other things and introduce 63 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:16,960 Speaker 1: them into the environment, even into the human food supply, 64 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:23,320 Speaker 1: with no government oversight whatsoever. But recent research has verified 65 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:28,320 Speaker 1: that gene editing, including Crisper, causes what one researcher described 66 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:32,839 Speaker 1: as chromosomal mayhem. And he was talking about the human 67 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:36,080 Speaker 1: embryos where they were using gene editing, where they monitored 68 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:40,039 Speaker 1: very very carefully, and found that it caused massive collateral 69 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:43,080 Speaker 1: damage in the DNA, similar to what we've seen the 70 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:47,400 Speaker 1: genetic engineering from the beginning. And yet very very few 71 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 1: people of the hundreds and hundreds of thousands of creations 72 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:57,240 Speaker 1: of gene edited organisms, very few of these scientists actually 73 00:04:57,560 --> 00:05:01,240 Speaker 1: test the end product to see that it is the 74 00:05:01,279 --> 00:05:04,919 Speaker 1: sequence that they intended to make sure there's no collateral damage. 75 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:08,359 Speaker 1: And the very few that actually test it publish it 76 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:12,280 Speaker 1: and everyone is astounded that it's causing such problems. And 77 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:16,560 Speaker 1: yet the governments are still being convinced by the biotic 78 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:21,080 Speaker 1: industry to abandon any regulation for gene editing. The fight 79 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:23,960 Speaker 1: is going on in the UK right now, The fight 80 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:27,640 Speaker 1: is going on in Canada right now. The biotic industry 81 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:31,679 Speaker 1: is mobilizing pressure on the European Union, it's putting pressure 82 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 1: in the United States. It is a global war. And 83 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:37,880 Speaker 1: I'll tell you, George, what's at stake are all living 84 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:41,000 Speaker 1: beings and all future generations. Because we can see a 85 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:45,320 Speaker 1: replacement of nature in this generation, where future generations will 86 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:47,719 Speaker 1: not inherit the products of the billions of years of 87 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:51,440 Speaker 1: evolution that we did, but instead inherit the products of 88 00:05:51,520 --> 00:05:55,640 Speaker 1: laboratory techniques whose number one most common result is surprised 89 00:05:55,680 --> 00:05:59,680 Speaker 1: side effects. And with the microbiome in particular, it can 90 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:05,400 Speaker 1: rapid transformation around the world of ecosystems and human health. 91 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:09,400 Speaker 1: And left unchecked, left unchecked by governments or any agency, 92 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:14,200 Speaker 1: what happens. Well, I think that if we simply let 93 00:06:14,240 --> 00:06:16,080 Speaker 1: it go, what's going to happen is one hundred and 94 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:19,080 Speaker 1: sixty nine dollars kit on Amazon. The power of it's 95 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:21,240 Speaker 1: going to go up, The price is going to go down. 96 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:24,279 Speaker 1: You're going to have instead of the chemistry experiments that 97 00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:26,800 Speaker 1: we did when we were in high school. You'll have 98 00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:32,720 Speaker 1: all the kids doing genetic engineering and releasing microbe after microbe, 99 00:06:32,760 --> 00:06:36,080 Speaker 1: and the food products which don't have to be labeled 100 00:06:36,080 --> 00:06:38,279 Speaker 1: in the United States if they're gene edited, they don't 101 00:06:38,279 --> 00:06:40,880 Speaker 1: have to be identified or even told to the government. 102 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:43,880 Speaker 1: You'll have things being sold as organic and natural that 103 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:47,440 Speaker 1: are genetically engineered. People will then genetically engineer that which 104 00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:51,440 Speaker 1: is already genetically engineered, so we'll have compounding engineering, and 105 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:55,120 Speaker 1: we're going to have a change in the DNA like 106 00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:59,200 Speaker 1: little genetic time bombs, and we won't know the unpredicted 107 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:03,720 Speaker 1: nature until something goes wrong, but it's not recallable. It's 108 00:07:03,760 --> 00:07:06,720 Speaker 1: like the twenty four rabbits that were released in Australia 109 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:09,760 Speaker 1: in eighteen fifty nine so that people who are visiting 110 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:12,800 Speaker 1: the continent would feel more at home, so they can 111 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:16,080 Speaker 1: hunt rabbits. Well, rabbits multiply like rabbits, and by then 112 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:21,800 Speaker 1: there was over ten billion million dollars a year in Australia. 113 00:07:21,960 --> 00:07:26,080 Speaker 1: That's one new invasive species. With gene editing, you can 114 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:30,040 Speaker 1: take an entire ecosystem and replace it so that everything 115 00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:32,800 Speaker 1: is as if an invasive species. It may look the 116 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:36,760 Speaker 1: same on the outside, but it may function entirely different, 117 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:40,760 Speaker 1: and we're talking about the possibility of existential threat. I 118 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:43,800 Speaker 1: think I know this answer, But is there anything about 119 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:48,120 Speaker 1: genetic engineering that is good? Well, you know, for years 120 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 1: and still our Institute for Responsible Technology said don't release 121 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:56,000 Speaker 1: GMO's outdoors and don't put it in the food supply, 122 00:07:56,440 --> 00:07:59,360 Speaker 1: use it for research. I was on a live panel 123 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:02,760 Speaker 1: today which hosted for Earth Day, with my friend doctor 124 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:06,920 Speaker 1: Michael Antonio, who does gene therapy research at King's College, London, 125 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:10,520 Speaker 1: and he does therapy that could save people's lives, but 126 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:13,960 Speaker 1: it's not inheritable. So if you have a defective gene, 127 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:17,800 Speaker 1: his technologies, his patents might be able to help you, 128 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:21,000 Speaker 1: but it doesn't affect the environment, it doesn't affect the 129 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:25,600 Speaker 1: whole population. So for years the Institute for Responsible Technology 130 00:08:25,600 --> 00:08:28,160 Speaker 1: has just said no outdoor release and nothing in the 131 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:30,880 Speaker 1: food supply. But now that we are looking at potentially 132 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:35,080 Speaker 1: pandemic pathogens, we're saying, don't even do that indoors, because 133 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:38,800 Speaker 1: we haven't mastered containment. It's not worth the risk to 134 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:44,720 Speaker 1: humanity to create these pandemic pathogens, which if they accidentally escaped, 135 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:48,480 Speaker 1: could wipe out thousands or millions or tens of millions 136 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:54,560 Speaker 1: of people. Our government's Jeffrey secretly trying to control monitor 137 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:58,880 Speaker 1: all these genetically engineered episodes that are occurring all around 138 00:08:58,920 --> 00:09:01,680 Speaker 1: the planet. I mean they have departments that check this 139 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:05,319 Speaker 1: or do they just not even care? Well, it's gone 140 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:09,760 Speaker 1: out of control. So there's no required notification of the government. 141 00:09:09,760 --> 00:09:12,760 Speaker 1: If you create a genetically engineered microbe that's not used 142 00:09:12,760 --> 00:09:16,400 Speaker 1: for commercial purposes, you can release it into the environment 143 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:20,480 Speaker 1: and there's no law and who would ever know exactly 144 00:09:20,760 --> 00:09:23,280 Speaker 1: and it might come back to bite us. Now. I 145 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:27,000 Speaker 1: have been combing through documents from the Department of Defense 146 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:31,280 Speaker 1: and Homeland Security and the former National Security Advisor, and 147 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:36,079 Speaker 1: they're all concerned. They acknowledge that the technology has outpaced 148 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:41,439 Speaker 1: the regulation and that there are serious problems both accidental 149 00:09:41,640 --> 00:09:44,480 Speaker 1: and intentional, that can be done with new gene editing. 150 00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:46,920 Speaker 1: So everyone is looking for a change, and what we're 151 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:49,840 Speaker 1: doing with Protect Nature Now is going to come forward 152 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:53,160 Speaker 1: with actual legislation. So if you go to protect nature 153 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:56,880 Speaker 1: now dot com, there's an advocacy platform where you go 154 00:09:56,920 --> 00:09:59,600 Speaker 1: there and you can send a prewritten letter to all 155 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:02,360 Speaker 1: of your selected officials to there. You can tweet them 156 00:10:02,400 --> 00:10:06,280 Speaker 1: you can send things on their Facebook page, sign a petition, 157 00:10:06,679 --> 00:10:09,640 Speaker 1: send press releases to the media in your area. You 158 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:12,240 Speaker 1: can customize all of these, but you can do it 159 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:14,120 Speaker 1: in two or three minutes. You can have a hundred 160 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:17,800 Speaker 1: different actions. And we've been approaching people in Congress and 161 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:20,640 Speaker 1: they're very interested in what we're doing, and what they're 162 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:24,760 Speaker 1: waiting to see is whether we have a movement, whether 163 00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:27,320 Speaker 1: we have support. So they're looking at the social media 164 00:10:27,520 --> 00:10:30,720 Speaker 1: to determine whether they're going to champion the new bills 165 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:33,800 Speaker 1: that we want to introduce that will prevent the release 166 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:36,840 Speaker 1: of genetically engineered microbes and prevent the gain of function 167 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:40,440 Speaker 1: research on potentially pandemic pathogens. So I want to urge 168 00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:44,200 Speaker 1: listeners not only go to Protect Nature now to watch 169 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:47,760 Speaker 1: the sixteen minute film, but go to the advocacy platform 170 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:51,160 Speaker 1: and just spend a few minutes there because that is 171 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:53,960 Speaker 1: actually going to create the change, and you'll want to 172 00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:56,800 Speaker 1: create the change when you see what's at risk and 173 00:10:56,840 --> 00:11:01,720 Speaker 1: the film potential cataclysms, potential astrofees, not just with these 174 00:11:01,800 --> 00:11:05,560 Speaker 1: bad actors that we talked about earlier, but the general microbiome, 175 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:09,320 Speaker 1: which is so important that a significant percentage of the 176 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:13,160 Speaker 1: breast milk in mothers does not feed the infant. It 177 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:17,000 Speaker 1: feeds the microbiome. And the infant has been inoculated through 178 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:20,640 Speaker 1: the birth canal, innoculated through the breast milk, innoculated through 179 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:24,680 Speaker 1: contact with the skin. It's all designed. It's been designed 180 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:28,720 Speaker 1: for millions of years, and we may throw off that balance, 181 00:11:28,920 --> 00:11:32,760 Speaker 1: and any change in the microbes of the infant, for example, 182 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:35,360 Speaker 1: can not only affect the health of that infant for life, 183 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:38,440 Speaker 1: it can be passed on to future generations in the 184 00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:41,040 Speaker 1: same way that that infant got it from his or 185 00:11:41,040 --> 00:11:44,360 Speaker 1: her mother. And so we're talking about a delicate balance 186 00:11:44,600 --> 00:11:49,480 Speaker 1: of an ecosystem of microbes that run the world. In fact, 187 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:52,600 Speaker 1: we only have twenty two thousand genes in US, less 188 00:11:52,640 --> 00:11:56,320 Speaker 1: than earthworms. But how are we higher organisms because there's 189 00:11:56,320 --> 00:12:01,520 Speaker 1: three point five million genes in the microbiome nine US 190 00:12:01,520 --> 00:12:05,160 Speaker 1: that handle most of our functions. Listen to more Coast 191 00:12:05,160 --> 00:12:08,400 Speaker 1: to Coast AM every weeknight at one a m Eastern 192 00:12:08,679 --> 00:12:11,080 Speaker 1: and go to Coast to Coast am dot com for 193 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:11,440 Speaker 1: more