1 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:15,720 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Greace. A double murder in the 2 00:00:15,720 --> 00:00:21,320 Speaker 1: heart of South Carolina is still unsolved. A double murder 3 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:25,880 Speaker 1: involving one of the wealthiest and most powerful families in 4 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:29,080 Speaker 1: the region. Does that have anything to do with it? 5 00:00:29,360 --> 00:00:40,919 Speaker 1: As rumors are swirling, we learn the latest crime stories 6 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:48,720 Speaker 1: with Nancy Greece joining me an all star panel including 7 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:53,239 Speaker 1: Matt Harris, morning show host in Charlotte w l n 8 00:00:53,440 --> 00:00:58,320 Speaker 1: K and podcaster of the Murdoch Family Murders Impact of Influence. 9 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:04,200 Speaker 1: Also with me, renowned defense attorney, former prosecutor Darryl Cohen, 10 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 1: doctor Angela Arnold Psychiatrists joining me out of the Atlanta jurisdiction, 11 00:01:09,600 --> 00:01:14,039 Speaker 1: Joe Scott Morgan, death investigator, professor forensics Jacksonville State University, 12 00:01:14,319 --> 00:01:17,480 Speaker 1: author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon, and star 13 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:20,000 Speaker 1: of a brand new series that is a hit, The 14 00:01:20,080 --> 00:01:23,920 Speaker 1: Piked and Massacre returned to Pike County on iHeart. Also 15 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:29,200 Speaker 1: with me, guys is Cheryl McCollum joining US forensic expert. 16 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:32,240 Speaker 1: But first I want to go straight out to Matt. 17 00:01:32,520 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 1: Matt Harris joining us from wl n K, also the 18 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:40,600 Speaker 1: star of the Murderock Family Murders podcast. Matt, I want 19 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:43,479 Speaker 1: you to take a listen to some of the nine 20 00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:47,240 Speaker 1: one one call that we have obtained from the night. 21 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:50,080 Speaker 1: There's so many nine one one calls to sort through. Matt, 22 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:52,920 Speaker 1: You've got the Knight of the double murder, the mother 23 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:56,600 Speaker 1: and son. You've got the young man found dead in 24 00:01:56,600 --> 00:01:59,040 Speaker 1: the road reportedly a hit and run. A lot of 25 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:02,400 Speaker 1: people don't think so. Then you got the night the 26 00:02:02,520 --> 00:02:06,760 Speaker 1: day of a boat crash where the murdered son was 27 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:09,560 Speaker 1: driving drunk in the boat and caused the death of 28 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:12,200 Speaker 1: Mallory Beach. We got a lot of nine one one 29 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 1: calls to store it through. But let's start with the one, 30 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:18,840 Speaker 1: the Night of the double murder. I want you to 31 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:22,560 Speaker 1: take a listen to our cut twenty five. It's Alex 32 00:02:22,639 --> 00:02:27,120 Speaker 1: the murdog, the dad, the husband who finds his wife 33 00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:31,720 Speaker 1: and son murdered. Take a listen to his nine one 34 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:48,440 Speaker 1: one call. Molus, I think the pol my wife at 35 00:02:58,639 --> 00:03:11,240 Speaker 1: rod in olgin me. Okay, I have an Alex Murrock 36 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:13,440 Speaker 1: on the lie call us from forty one forty seven. 37 00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:18,520 Speaker 1: He's advising that his wife's and child was shot. Okay 38 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:25,840 Speaker 1: again forty one forty seven, Molle Road, I've been up 39 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:33,640 Speaker 1: to it now is bad okay, okay. And are they breathing? Oh, ma'am. Okay. 40 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:36,760 Speaker 1: And he said, it's your wife and your son, my 41 00:03:36,760 --> 00:03:42,080 Speaker 1: wife and my scorn. Are they in a vehicle? No, man, 42 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:45,640 Speaker 1: they're on the ground out at my kennel. You know, 43 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:48,240 Speaker 1: right now, my head is spinning because I'm getting so 44 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:51,760 Speaker 1: many facts right now on the ground outside the kennel, 45 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:56,280 Speaker 1: not in a vehicle. The dad husband has found the bodies. 46 00:03:56,560 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 1: Oh no, locked down his alibi right now. But I'm 47 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:04,280 Speaker 1: hearing his voice, and frankly, I'm assessing his demeanor. But 48 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:06,120 Speaker 1: I want you to hear a little bit more that. No, 49 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:09,000 Speaker 1: I'm one call. This is our cut twenty five childer, 50 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:18,480 Speaker 1: please rolle? Okay? Is he breading at all? No? No? Okay? 51 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:23,680 Speaker 1: Do you see any Do you see anyone? No? Man, 52 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:28,960 Speaker 1: oh ma'am. Color is your house on the outside? What 53 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:33,479 Speaker 1: color is your house on the outside? What you didn't 54 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:39,120 Speaker 1: see it from the road? Okay? That the house or home? Okay? 55 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:46,920 Speaker 1: And what is your name? Is Alex Murdoch? Okay? Did 56 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:49,520 Speaker 1: you hear anything or did you come home and find 57 00:04:49,560 --> 00:05:12,520 Speaker 1: now something? Just then? Anyone else? House? No, ma'am. Okay. Again, 58 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:15,000 Speaker 1: you may think it's cold, You may think it's hard hearted, 59 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:18,560 Speaker 1: but I'm listening to his demeanor before I go to 60 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:20,680 Speaker 1: Matt Harris joining me morning show host of E L 61 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:24,359 Speaker 1: n K and producer of Murlock Family Murders. To you, 62 00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:28,560 Speaker 1: Daryl Cohen, we have to look at him, We have 63 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:32,400 Speaker 1: to look at him. Yes, he is a very wealthy, 64 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:38,479 Speaker 1: very prominent, very influential prosecutor, runs a huge civil law firm. 65 00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:43,400 Speaker 1: They're rolling in money and property. He says he has 66 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:46,520 Speaker 1: an alibi, But you and I both know statistically the 67 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:50,679 Speaker 1: person most likely to have killed the wife, the mother 68 00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:54,240 Speaker 1: is the love partner, the husband. So you got to 69 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:58,120 Speaker 1: look at him. That's just sp stdard operating procedure, and 70 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:01,040 Speaker 1: you've got to assess his demeanor at the time of 71 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:04,000 Speaker 1: the nine one one call. Just that simple, Daryl, We 72 00:06:04,120 --> 00:06:06,920 Speaker 1: have no choice but to look at him. You always 73 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:11,159 Speaker 1: have to rule out everybody that's close to the victims. 74 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:17,200 Speaker 1: Does his voice sound legitimate, absolutely? Could he be an actor? Possibly? 75 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:22,760 Speaker 1: Is he legitimately upset? Absolutely? But is he upset because 76 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:26,040 Speaker 1: he committed a crime or because he saw the crime? 77 00:06:26,400 --> 00:06:30,400 Speaker 1: The victims, his wife and his son. None of this 78 00:06:30,760 --> 00:06:33,920 Speaker 1: is good. But if he's not ruled out, then he's 79 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:37,120 Speaker 1: absolutely ruled in. So that's what we have to do 80 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:41,200 Speaker 1: as we continue to see who may be the purpose. Yeah, 81 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:43,400 Speaker 1: and you know, if he's not part of this, which 82 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:46,279 Speaker 1: no one is indicated that he is. I know it's painful, 83 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:50,320 Speaker 1: but the reality is law enforcement has a duty to 84 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:55,920 Speaker 1: look at every single possible suspect, including him potential suspect. 85 00:06:56,040 --> 00:06:58,120 Speaker 1: Let me go straight out to Matt Harris joining us 86 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:01,400 Speaker 1: w l K and from the Morlock Family Murders Impact 87 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:05,000 Speaker 1: of Influence podcast. What do you make of his demeanor? Matt? 88 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:08,960 Speaker 1: I think it's really hard to gets what demeanor would 89 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:11,480 Speaker 1: be on anyone who would how they would react and 90 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:13,680 Speaker 1: they come and see that, and it's a very violent 91 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:17,520 Speaker 1: jet to both of them from what we've had. The 92 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:21,560 Speaker 1: death certificate was just released recently on Paul Murdoch and 93 00:07:21,960 --> 00:07:27,200 Speaker 1: multiple shotgun blast to his head and body. And we 94 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:31,160 Speaker 1: haven't seen Maggie Murdock's death certificately yet, but the word 95 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 1: was that she was killed by a semi automatic at 96 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:38,720 Speaker 1: pretty close point range. So what he came upon was 97 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:42,920 Speaker 1: a very gruesome scene. And so I don't know if 98 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:46,560 Speaker 1: anybody can even fathom what they how they would react 99 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:50,880 Speaker 1: seeing that. Well, I can tell you this much, Matt. Yeah, 100 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:53,760 Speaker 1: a lot of people can't relate to finding a dead body, 101 00:07:53,840 --> 00:07:57,240 Speaker 1: much less of your wife and child. Well, Grownd's son. 102 00:07:57,680 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 1: But if he had been as cool as a quem, 103 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:02,840 Speaker 1: I would have found that very odd. If he were 104 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:05,640 Speaker 1: not crying and was not upset, I would find that 105 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:10,160 Speaker 1: very odd. Neither of those two things are true. So 106 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:13,560 Speaker 1: I believe from just hearing his voice, either he's a 107 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:17,680 Speaker 1: heck of an actor or after all his years of 108 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:23,880 Speaker 1: courtroom work from dealing with crime victims as a part 109 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:28,120 Speaker 1: time prosecutor. I don't know was it acting. It doesn't 110 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:31,280 Speaker 1: sound like it. Everybody remembers the case of Susan Smith 111 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:34,599 Speaker 1: who cried and bade for help on camera and the 112 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:38,240 Speaker 1: jess of her very small children when she was in 113 00:08:38,280 --> 00:08:40,480 Speaker 1: fact the one that did it. I mean, you can 114 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:46,040 Speaker 1: fake it, but I don't know. To you, doctor Andy Arnold, 115 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:48,480 Speaker 1: this doesn't sound fake to me. It doesn't sound fake 116 00:08:48,559 --> 00:08:50,600 Speaker 1: to me either, Nancy, and I think that you know, 117 00:08:50,920 --> 00:08:54,240 Speaker 1: I think that it's so difficult because that's we can 118 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:57,000 Speaker 1: all get this information so quickly now and hear what 119 00:08:57,040 --> 00:09:00,040 Speaker 1: people are saying on their nine one one calls, and 120 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:04,040 Speaker 1: I don't I know that there's certain times, maybe that 121 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:06,280 Speaker 1: we can try to pick up from the nine one 122 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:10,080 Speaker 1: one call what who we should blame about these things? 123 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:11,840 Speaker 1: But I think that we have to be very careful 124 00:09:11,880 --> 00:09:14,640 Speaker 1: about that. I think we have to be very careful 125 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:19,480 Speaker 1: about judging and hearing with our ears how people sound 126 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:22,920 Speaker 1: when they when the first when they find someone dead 127 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:39,200 Speaker 1: in their family, and not one person, but two people 128 00:09:41,520 --> 00:09:47,720 Speaker 1: crime stories with Nancy Grace, a wife and a son. Also, 129 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:51,719 Speaker 1: I'm learning a lot. Matt Harris is joining me. W 130 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:55,280 Speaker 1: L n K. You told me that the autopsy report 131 00:09:55,480 --> 00:10:00,280 Speaker 1: on the sun has been released. You told me that 132 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:04,160 Speaker 1: he was shot multiple times to the head and body 133 00:10:04,760 --> 00:10:07,679 Speaker 1: with I believe it was a long gun. The mom 134 00:10:07,679 --> 00:10:11,040 Speaker 1: Maggie shot with a semi automatic. But I find it 135 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:13,560 Speaker 1: interesting that he was shot that many times to the 136 00:10:13,559 --> 00:10:16,199 Speaker 1: head and face and the way the shotgun was used. 137 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:21,320 Speaker 1: They're saying, on Paul and on Maggie the words it 138 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:25,800 Speaker 1: was semi automatic, as you said, yes, right, so it was. 139 00:10:25,960 --> 00:10:28,720 Speaker 1: It had to be just snawful scene to come upon. Well, 140 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:31,560 Speaker 1: I'm looking at it from yes, you're right, Matt, but 141 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:33,560 Speaker 1: I'm looking at it from a probative point of view. 142 00:10:33,559 --> 00:10:37,120 Speaker 1: What does that tell me that tells me jump in 143 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:41,800 Speaker 1: Joe Scott, Morgan, Professor Forensics. It tells me that, you know, 144 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:45,120 Speaker 1: if this were sister, just say a robbery, they would 145 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:48,720 Speaker 1: have shot the sun once and killed him, shot him 146 00:10:48,760 --> 00:10:51,040 Speaker 1: in the head. But they took the time to shoot 147 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:55,400 Speaker 1: him repeatedly, and I find that very probative. Joe Scott. Yeah. 148 00:10:55,400 --> 00:10:57,520 Speaker 1: Other two and the fact that two weapons are being 149 00:10:57,640 --> 00:11:00,120 Speaker 1: used as well, Nancy, you know his desert of it 150 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:03,199 Speaker 1: actually says that he was shot in the chest and 151 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:06,560 Speaker 1: in the head. So what does that mean? Was he 152 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:09,440 Speaker 1: facing the individual that he was shot? Well, if you 153 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:13,520 Speaker 1: say chest, most people think so. But in forensic parlance, 154 00:11:13,559 --> 00:11:16,240 Speaker 1: we have an antior chest, which is the front side, 155 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:18,640 Speaker 1: and then we have postior chest, which is a backside. 156 00:11:18,679 --> 00:11:21,480 Speaker 1: So it doesn't really answer that question. But what it 157 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:24,560 Speaker 1: does sound like they said shot in the back. Well, 158 00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:27,280 Speaker 1: what it does, what it does say to us is 159 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:30,840 Speaker 1: that he was in fact executed. But why two separate weapons? 160 00:11:30,880 --> 00:11:33,880 Speaker 1: We're talking about what I have heard at least a 161 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:37,319 Speaker 1: tactical type rifle that was used with the with the mother. 162 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:40,840 Speaker 1: Does that mean that we're looking at two shooters here, Nancy, Well, 163 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:43,800 Speaker 1: we got two weapons, so you're going to tell me 164 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:47,040 Speaker 1: that if you shoot these two individuals, you're gonna shoot 165 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:50,080 Speaker 1: them with a shotgun. Put that shot, put that weapon down, 166 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:53,160 Speaker 1: and then pick up the tacicle rifle and fire that 167 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:56,160 Speaker 1: at mom or did it happen reverse? Can you break 168 00:11:56,200 --> 00:11:59,120 Speaker 1: it down in plain English? What do you mean by 169 00:11:59,160 --> 00:12:03,280 Speaker 1: tactical rifle expo tacticle. It's like a military grade weapon, 170 00:12:03,679 --> 00:12:06,440 Speaker 1: maybe like on an M four platform or an AK 171 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:11,600 Speaker 1: forty seven platform. And they recovered spent ammunition or spent 172 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:15,280 Speaker 1: brass casings at the scene out there. I don't know 173 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:17,520 Speaker 1: how many. No one knows how many at this point 174 00:12:17,559 --> 00:12:19,880 Speaker 1: in time, but we do know that they had said 175 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:23,000 Speaker 1: at one point in time they recovered multiple bits of 176 00:12:23,040 --> 00:12:26,240 Speaker 1: spent ammunition. Back to you, Matt Harris joining us wl 177 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:29,760 Speaker 1: n K, what do you know about cartridge's or spent 178 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:32,360 Speaker 1: casings that were found there that they say they're very 179 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:36,280 Speaker 1: tight sled has been very slight as the South Carolina 180 00:12:36,880 --> 00:12:41,559 Speaker 1: organization that's handling the crime. They mentioned, We've got worried. 181 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:44,640 Speaker 1: There was some casings. We know that a vehicle was 182 00:12:44,679 --> 00:12:48,199 Speaker 1: told from there that was owned by his the law firm, 183 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:51,360 Speaker 1: and we found and they found a phone. And that's 184 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:53,800 Speaker 1: about the extensive one we know, plus the decertificate that 185 00:12:53,840 --> 00:12:56,360 Speaker 1: was released in the last hours. Major developments in the 186 00:12:56,559 --> 00:12:59,120 Speaker 1: case of a mother and sun shot dead and a 187 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:03,240 Speaker 1: prominent family in South Carolina. Number one, we've obtained more 188 00:13:03,280 --> 00:13:06,480 Speaker 1: of the father, the lawyer, and the families. Nine one 189 00:13:06,520 --> 00:13:08,839 Speaker 1: one call before we move on, let's take a listen 190 00:13:08,920 --> 00:13:11,920 Speaker 1: to the rest of that. This is our cut twenty 191 00:13:12,040 --> 00:13:16,760 Speaker 1: seven Alex Murdogapa finding his wife and son dead. We 192 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:20,080 Speaker 1: know the sun shot multiple times in the chest and 193 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:29,320 Speaker 1: the face. Listen, Okay, what is her name? Maggie, Maggie 194 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:39,880 Speaker 1: and Paul Maggie name h yes, now, okay, please? Can 195 00:13:39,920 --> 00:13:46,240 Speaker 1: you need questions? Don't faw them down? Okay? Are you 196 00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:54,040 Speaker 1: sure they're not breathing? Is he moving out? Your son? 197 00:13:54,320 --> 00:14:01,120 Speaker 1: I know he said, what about your son? Nobody? They're 198 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:16,600 Speaker 1: not even one. What is your telephone number? And does 199 00:14:16,640 --> 00:14:30,200 Speaker 1: anything look out of place? Ma'am? Not particularly really, no, ma'am. Okay, 200 00:14:30,600 --> 00:14:33,880 Speaker 1: you know, straight out to doctor Angela Arnold psychiatrists joining 201 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:36,760 Speaker 1: us out of the Atlanta jurisdiction. Many people have made 202 00:14:36,960 --> 00:14:40,440 Speaker 1: much ado about the fact that he is using niceties 203 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:45,240 Speaker 1: such as yes, ma'am, no, ma'am. Please under these horrible 204 00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:48,720 Speaker 1: circumstances of finding his wife and son dead, shot dead. 205 00:14:50,120 --> 00:14:54,720 Speaker 1: I disagree that is ingrained in you sits of birth 206 00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:57,440 Speaker 1: in the South. And the fact that he's saying that 207 00:14:57,640 --> 00:15:01,480 Speaker 1: that's just, you know, a natural response. I can hear 208 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:05,600 Speaker 1: him actually crying. Now. I'm not saying it's impossible for 209 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:08,880 Speaker 1: him to be acting, but it sounds legitimate to me. 210 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:14,360 Speaker 1: And the fact that he is using francis ma'am please, 211 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:18,600 Speaker 1: I don't find that unusual given where he's from. No, 212 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:21,360 Speaker 1: and Nancy just listened to his Southern accent. I mean, 213 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:24,920 Speaker 1: he has a Southern drawl as long as the Mississippi River. 214 00:15:25,760 --> 00:15:30,400 Speaker 1: He also, in saying yes, ma'am and please and these things, 215 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:35,000 Speaker 1: he's regressing a little bit back to his younger years 216 00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:38,560 Speaker 1: when he was taught how to say that, and he's 217 00:15:39,040 --> 00:15:43,440 Speaker 1: feeling very vulnerable, and that's a very safe place for 218 00:15:43,640 --> 00:15:46,080 Speaker 1: him to be yes, ma'am. I want to go now 219 00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:51,000 Speaker 1: to what else we are learning, Matt. I'm curious about 220 00:15:51,120 --> 00:15:53,600 Speaker 1: the layout with me. Matt Harris fon WL and K 221 00:15:54,280 --> 00:15:59,480 Speaker 1: He said, quote they're on the ground out in his kennel. 222 00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:04,240 Speaker 1: Describe the layout for me, okay, where the kennels are 223 00:16:04,280 --> 00:16:08,600 Speaker 1: there's the house which is downe the property. The property 224 00:16:08,640 --> 00:16:15,040 Speaker 1: spanned a couple of different counties. It's about seventeen hundred acres. 225 00:16:15,760 --> 00:16:18,680 Speaker 1: And where they are it appears to be what I 226 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:21,440 Speaker 1: can figure out from Google and all, that is about 227 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:23,360 Speaker 1: two hundred maybe two hundred yards from the house. Two 228 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:25,240 Speaker 1: or three hundred yards in the house is where the 229 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:27,840 Speaker 1: dog kennel is, and so the dog kennels there. That 230 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:31,480 Speaker 1: means that Paul and Paula Maggie are there. Then that's 231 00:16:31,520 --> 00:16:35,120 Speaker 1: about three hundred yards maybe from where the main house is. 232 00:16:35,360 --> 00:16:38,760 Speaker 1: I find it interesting that they were shot outside shot 233 00:16:38,840 --> 00:16:42,840 Speaker 1: as he says, quote on the ground. That's another clue 234 00:16:42,920 --> 00:16:45,240 Speaker 1: to me, way you and Joe Scott Morgan, Yeah, it is. 235 00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:47,960 Speaker 1: And also the distance that this is that you know, 236 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:50,520 Speaker 1: the kennels are away from the house. So to me, 237 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:53,000 Speaker 1: this means that they were either taken out there or 238 00:16:53,080 --> 00:16:57,480 Speaker 1: potentially marched out there. Nancy to get them out away 239 00:16:57,560 --> 00:17:00,400 Speaker 1: from from the house, maybe in order to muffle the sound. 240 00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:02,760 Speaker 1: If anyone has never been around the sound of a 241 00:17:02,840 --> 00:17:06,880 Speaker 1: shotgun or the sound of, say, for instance, a large 242 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:10,440 Speaker 1: caliber weapon like a long arm, like a rifle, the 243 00:17:10,600 --> 00:17:13,040 Speaker 1: report is very loud and not only that if you've 244 00:17:13,080 --> 00:17:15,560 Speaker 1: got this thing going off multiple times. But Nancy, this 245 00:17:15,720 --> 00:17:18,960 Speaker 1: is a rural area as well. People expect, you know, 246 00:17:19,040 --> 00:17:22,040 Speaker 1: it's not expect, but people are not surprised by hearing 247 00:17:22,080 --> 00:17:24,879 Speaker 1: the report of gunfire out there. So you know, what 248 00:17:25,080 --> 00:17:28,280 Speaker 1: is the purpose for taking them out there? I don't know. 249 00:17:28,520 --> 00:17:31,280 Speaker 1: Maybe maybe to eradicating any kind of evidence, maybe to 250 00:17:31,359 --> 00:17:33,359 Speaker 1: cover up, maybe to put as much distance as they 251 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:37,120 Speaker 1: can between the perpetrator, at least between themselves or any 252 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:40,159 Speaker 1: connection with the house. It is interesting, though that they 253 00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:44,560 Speaker 1: took this car away, though I'm fascinated by the vehicle. Well, 254 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:46,600 Speaker 1: one of the reasons I'm fascinated by it is that 255 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:50,359 Speaker 1: you had to transport people out there. The shooter had 256 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:52,320 Speaker 1: to get out there, the weapons had to get out there, 257 00:17:52,359 --> 00:17:54,560 Speaker 1: and there's no other evidence that there was another vehicle 258 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:57,960 Speaker 1: out there, so at least to this point, tire tracks 259 00:17:58,080 --> 00:18:00,359 Speaker 1: that sort of thing. One of the trust I blame 260 00:18:00,440 --> 00:18:02,920 Speaker 1: things though, that I've kind of come across in this 261 00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:06,639 Speaker 1: is that when this vehicle was removed from the scene, 262 00:18:07,400 --> 00:18:10,480 Speaker 1: it was not a crime scene investigator that removed it. 263 00:18:10,960 --> 00:18:12,920 Speaker 1: It was a record driver, Nancy. And you know what 264 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:15,960 Speaker 1: they told the record driver here put on a pair 265 00:18:16,040 --> 00:18:19,840 Speaker 1: of gloves and pull the vehicle up onto the flatbed 266 00:18:19,960 --> 00:18:22,000 Speaker 1: the skid to take it away. You know what's wrong 267 00:18:22,080 --> 00:18:25,520 Speaker 1: with that, Well, Number one, they probably drove over the 268 00:18:25,640 --> 00:18:28,879 Speaker 1: perhaps tire marks, Yeah, they very well could have, and 269 00:18:29,080 --> 00:18:33,200 Speaker 1: any kind of other foreign trace evidence that was inside 270 00:18:33,240 --> 00:18:35,159 Speaker 1: of that vehicle. You're gonna leave it. I'm sure the 271 00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:38,680 Speaker 1: record driver is a fine, outstanding fella. But if he's 272 00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:40,639 Speaker 1: getting in there in a pair of dirty old jeans 273 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:43,360 Speaker 1: a dirty shirt and all you're doing is telling him 274 00:18:43,400 --> 00:18:45,879 Speaker 1: to put on a pair of rubber gloves to drive 275 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:50,119 Speaker 1: the vehicle, he's contaminating that area. Nancy, you've seen us 276 00:18:50,119 --> 00:18:51,840 Speaker 1: out on crime scenes. We wear you know, some people 277 00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:54,560 Speaker 1: calling bunny suits, those white tiebec suits that we wear 278 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:57,000 Speaker 1: with hair covers and shoe covers and all this. He 279 00:18:57,040 --> 00:18:59,159 Speaker 1: didn't have that. You're talking about a record driver that 280 00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:01,920 Speaker 1: pulls this scene up was kid. So I'm not really 281 00:19:01,920 --> 00:19:04,119 Speaker 1: impressed by the way this whole investigation is kind of 282 00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:21,120 Speaker 1: taken off from the beginning time stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, 283 00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:24,840 Speaker 1: we are talking about a double homicide in South Carolina, 284 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:29,760 Speaker 1: in the heart of one of the most powerful political 285 00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:35,359 Speaker 1: families in the region. In the last hours, new sound 286 00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:38,760 Speaker 1: has emerged and I'm going straight out to Matt Harris 287 00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:41,680 Speaker 1: from wl n K. Matt, tell me what we've learned 288 00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:43,920 Speaker 1: about the new audio. Well, the new audio is from 289 00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:48,720 Speaker 1: twenty nineteen fatal boat crash that killed Mallory Beach, which 290 00:19:49,359 --> 00:19:53,800 Speaker 1: Paul Murdoch was indicted on three counts of voting under 291 00:19:53,840 --> 00:20:00,960 Speaker 1: the influence. And ironically that the wordcase or actually the 292 00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:04,560 Speaker 1: case that Valley Beach's family had filed, was start to 293 00:20:05,320 --> 00:20:08,919 Speaker 1: schedule to start three days after Paul Murdoch was murdered. 294 00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:11,080 Speaker 1: The time was kind of weird on that. But in 295 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:15,520 Speaker 1: the what they found in his audio from the dashboard 296 00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:19,399 Speaker 1: of the Buford County Sheriff's Departments man was one of 297 00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:21,320 Speaker 1: the members of one of the people that was on 298 00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:25,800 Speaker 1: the boat. He was screaming at Paul Murdoch and telling 299 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:29,200 Speaker 1: him that he said, you're going to rotten bleeping hell. 300 00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:35,000 Speaker 1: He said that. The other quote was you're that that 301 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:38,200 Speaker 1: mother bleeper. He ain't kind of getting in no bleep 302 00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:40,639 Speaker 1: in trouble because of course he had just before that 303 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:43,359 Speaker 1: he mentions to the sheriff deputy that he was a 304 00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:45,720 Speaker 1: Murdoch and so he says that's never gonna happen. He 305 00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:50,000 Speaker 1: talks in there about another close auto crash that had 306 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:52,600 Speaker 1: happened with Paul didn't get in trouble for he says. 307 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:56,600 Speaker 1: He screams to Paul Murdoch, Paul was smiling like it's 308 00:20:56,600 --> 00:20:58,720 Speaker 1: sleep in funny. My belief in the girlfriend is God. 309 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:13,720 Speaker 1: Get well. You smiling like sit down and sit down. 310 00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:22,200 Speaker 1: You're smiling like it's effing funny. My effing girlfriend's gone. 311 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:28,280 Speaker 1: In the last hours, uh, dash cam video and audio emerges. 312 00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:34,000 Speaker 1: Dash cam is on a lot of law enforcement vehicles, 313 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:37,680 Speaker 1: most of them there is a dash cam and it 314 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:41,520 Speaker 1: catches what's going on in and around the trooper's car. 315 00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:45,840 Speaker 1: That's how this was caught. You're smiling like it's effing funny. 316 00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:48,560 Speaker 1: My effing girlfriend is gone. This new audio revealing the 317 00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:54,640 Speaker 1: moments after a deadly boating crash involving the drunk sun 318 00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:59,920 Speaker 1: now dead Paul murdog two years before he and his 319 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:07,720 Speaker 1: mother found shot dead at their family retreat drunk as 320 00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:11,560 Speaker 1: a skunk, when Malory Beach goes over the side of 321 00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:15,720 Speaker 1: the boat, ends up dead and this guy, the boyfriend 322 00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:19,159 Speaker 1: of Malory, is screaming or smiling like it's effing funny. 323 00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:22,560 Speaker 1: My effing girlfriend is gum. Now, Matt Harris w L 324 00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:26,320 Speaker 1: and K you're telling me. He also says that mf 325 00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:30,080 Speaker 1: ain't going to get in trouble. He's a ff and Murdoch. 326 00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:33,560 Speaker 1: Do I have that right? We asked the trooper of 327 00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:36,360 Speaker 1: he knew the Murdoch family, and the trooper says, yeah, 328 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:38,960 Speaker 1: I heard of them, and he says, well, but you 329 00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:40,560 Speaker 1: know they're not going to get in any trouble. Something 330 00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:42,239 Speaker 1: all on those lines because he and then he goes 331 00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:44,280 Speaker 1: on to say it was an earlier accident a year 332 00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:48,080 Speaker 1: ago with Paul was drinking and driving and nothing happened 333 00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:50,040 Speaker 1: with it, So that's that's what's going on in then 334 00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:52,879 Speaker 1: tell me about the incident a year before where the 335 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:57,320 Speaker 1: young murdog Paul Murdoch was drinking and driving. And then 336 00:22:57,359 --> 00:22:59,920 Speaker 1: there's the civil lawsuit which I said that the civil 337 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:02,520 Speaker 1: also was supposed to start two days later, they've officially 338 00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:06,200 Speaker 1: dropped the charges against Paul Murdock, but they because he's dead. 339 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:10,520 Speaker 1: The case was really under a lot of pressure from 340 00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:14,439 Speaker 1: the community because no one was arrested after that. Mallory 341 00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:16,760 Speaker 1: Beach died in that crash for I think it was 342 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:20,040 Speaker 1: two months when you're staying driving under the influence. You're 343 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:23,960 Speaker 1: talking about boating under the influence? Correct, yes, yes, Although 344 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:26,760 Speaker 1: they talk of the dash can, they talked about him 345 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:30,040 Speaker 1: driving a truck drunk at one point. What do you 346 00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:33,359 Speaker 1: know about driving the truck trunk? That was mentioned in 347 00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:37,000 Speaker 1: that dashboard cam and it was also mentioned in one 348 00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:40,720 Speaker 1: of the reports that was taken at the hospital by 349 00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:43,680 Speaker 1: one of the girls on the boat said this happened 350 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:47,520 Speaker 1: before in a truck, So there may have even been 351 00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:51,439 Speaker 1: a third incident. Guys, for those of you just joining us, 352 00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:56,560 Speaker 1: we are talking about a bloody double murder in South Carolina. Paul, 353 00:23:56,920 --> 00:24:01,040 Speaker 1: the son, mom Maggie, both found dead on the Murdoch 354 00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:04,320 Speaker 1: family home. Well, it's more of a retreat where there 355 00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:08,520 Speaker 1: are kennels kept outside the city. I want you to 356 00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:11,320 Speaker 1: take a listen to our friends at NBC. This is 357 00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:15,120 Speaker 1: Blaine Alexander. Our cut three nine one one call came 358 00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:18,760 Speaker 1: late Monday night, officials say prominent South Carolina attorney Alex 359 00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:22,240 Speaker 1: Murdock came home last week and called police after discovering 360 00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:25,520 Speaker 1: his wife and son murdered. Fifty two year old Naggie 361 00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:28,280 Speaker 1: Murdoch and twenty two year old Paul Murdoch, both shot 362 00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:32,879 Speaker 1: multiple times outside their home. According to investigators, it happened 363 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:36,760 Speaker 1: in Islandtown, South Carolina, about ninety minutes outside of Charleston. 364 00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:40,040 Speaker 1: Now more than a week later, seeming a little progress, 365 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:44,160 Speaker 1: no arrests, no named suspect, and from police, no murders. 366 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:46,600 Speaker 1: Raised me back to you, Matt Harris wl n K. 367 00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:51,119 Speaker 1: Now it's been much longer than one week later. Why 368 00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:55,080 Speaker 1: no progress? I don't know. And I've mentioned the voting it, 369 00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:59,160 Speaker 1: so I should mentioned that the voters and we're all 370 00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:06,840 Speaker 1: testedvoluntarily gay DNA and fingerprints and statements too. Sled about that, 371 00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:10,160 Speaker 1: so they were trying to ruel them out as possible 372 00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:15,960 Speaker 1: perpetrators to this homicide. Also Stephen Smith's mother, they went 373 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:17,520 Speaker 1: and tested her as well, which is the hit and 374 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:19,119 Speaker 1: run thing we talked a while ago. I do not 375 00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:21,720 Speaker 1: know why it's right away. A day later they were 376 00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:24,720 Speaker 1: saying Sled said, don't worry about it. There's nobody on 377 00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:27,119 Speaker 1: the loose. You're all safe. It's all good, you know. 378 00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:30,199 Speaker 1: I find that very unusual, Daryl Cohen, when police come 379 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:34,720 Speaker 1: out and say, hey, public, you're not at risk, there's 380 00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:36,840 Speaker 1: not a killer on the loose. That suggests they know 381 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:40,119 Speaker 1: who the killer is, but yet no arrests have been made. Nancy, 382 00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:46,000 Speaker 1: I think that there's progress, but there's no visible progress 383 00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:49,440 Speaker 1: to the public. I suspect they're going to be looking 384 00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:53,080 Speaker 1: at the entire family of Miss Beach. They're going to 385 00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:57,679 Speaker 1: be looking at possible people who don't like the Murdoch family, 386 00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:02,240 Speaker 1: because the Murdoch's are too cool to above everyone. So 387 00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:07,080 Speaker 1: I think what the police are releasing is not tantamount 388 00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:11,080 Speaker 1: to having no progress. They've got progress, and I'll take 389 00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:13,480 Speaker 1: wages that they're going to go ahead and they're going 390 00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:17,159 Speaker 1: to find the person or persons that are responsible for this. 391 00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:20,760 Speaker 1: And I agree that there are probably two people involved. 392 00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:24,159 Speaker 1: The shotgun and the long rifle don't make sense for 393 00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:28,960 Speaker 1: the same person to have used it simultaneously or shortly thereafter. Yeah, 394 00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:31,680 Speaker 1: you know what just got Morgan. He's right. And you 395 00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:35,600 Speaker 1: and I were talking earlier off air about the feasibility 396 00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:38,960 Speaker 1: of one person wielding too long too long er, the 397 00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:43,639 Speaker 1: feasibility of an individual utilizing two weapons like this, and 398 00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:46,800 Speaker 1: you know, technically these are both long arms, so they've 399 00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:49,359 Speaker 1: got long barrels on them. It would be logistically a 400 00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:51,879 Speaker 1: nightmare in order to manage this. This isn't like a 401 00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:54,159 Speaker 1: Hollywood movie, and this thing would have had to have 402 00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:57,320 Speaker 1: gone off like clockwork. I think that this had required planning. 403 00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:00,479 Speaker 1: This is not some stranger that just walked pick these 404 00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:03,560 Speaker 1: two people up out of thin air. These are people 405 00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:05,439 Speaker 1: that are going to be in their circle. They're going 406 00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:08,760 Speaker 1: to know them somehow. Now, maybe, like Darrell had said, 407 00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:13,280 Speaker 1: it's somebody that holds animosity toward them relative to some 408 00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:15,280 Speaker 1: of these legal battles or whatever the case might be. 409 00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:18,560 Speaker 1: It could very well be family who knows. But people 410 00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:21,080 Speaker 1: know them, and they know this location Nancy. They know 411 00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:23,320 Speaker 1: where those kennels are back there. They know that this 412 00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:28,200 Speaker 1: area is isolated, which again gives them an opportunity to 413 00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:32,880 Speaker 1: put distance between themselves and the bodies, to displace them 414 00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:36,640 Speaker 1: essentially from the scene of the crime. So I think 415 00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:39,720 Speaker 1: that the police, like Daryl had said as well, have 416 00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:42,480 Speaker 1: more information, they're just not letting the public know. But 417 00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:45,560 Speaker 1: everybody's terrified. Can you imagine living this little community and 418 00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:49,679 Speaker 1: you've got two people that have just absolutely been slaughtered 419 00:27:49,720 --> 00:28:05,760 Speaker 1: out there? Time stories with Nancy Grace in a Matte Harris, 420 00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:08,000 Speaker 1: Let's call up on what Jess goot Morgan just said, 421 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:12,600 Speaker 1: and it jives with what the dad is saying on 422 00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:16,400 Speaker 1: the phone. This was an isolated area. And you hear 423 00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:19,760 Speaker 1: the dad trying to tell nine one one. They said 424 00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:22,440 Speaker 1: what color is the house? And he goes white. But 425 00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:25,720 Speaker 1: you can't see it from the road. It is isolated, 426 00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:28,480 Speaker 1: It is far off the road. What does that tell me? 427 00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:32,760 Speaker 1: Somebody that knew where they were going, This was not 428 00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:35,960 Speaker 1: the family home. They had to know that these two 429 00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:39,920 Speaker 1: were there that night, right, and then you have to 430 00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:43,160 Speaker 1: know how to get there and get them outside. Yes, 431 00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:46,840 Speaker 1: that's correct. I know that Maggie had has Editor as 432 00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:49,040 Speaker 1: her address, but she also said she lived at Edisto 433 00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:51,560 Speaker 1: at Facebook, so I don't know how often they were there. 434 00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:55,680 Speaker 1: I know Paul, through various sources and things I've read, 435 00:28:56,280 --> 00:29:00,840 Speaker 1: had been living with his uncle often on had been 436 00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:04,520 Speaker 1: He also had his apartment in up in the University 437 00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:07,520 Speaker 1: of South Carolina, So I don't know if people knew 438 00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:09,560 Speaker 1: exactly when he was going to be there. And Paul 439 00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:14,640 Speaker 1: or I mean and Alec was out taking his father 440 00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:17,760 Speaker 1: to the hospital that evening and then came back at 441 00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:19,760 Speaker 1: ten o'clock and they penned it down to nine nine thirty. 442 00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:22,840 Speaker 1: I also know people along that road. I talked to, 443 00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:26,760 Speaker 1: had their doorcam, the you know, the ring doorbell taken 444 00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:30,240 Speaker 1: to see what was on it, and the one when 445 00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:32,800 Speaker 1: I talked to said they didn't see any vehicles at 446 00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:37,480 Speaker 1: that point. So nobody's doorcam their ring showed any vehicles 447 00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:39,360 Speaker 1: going by, well at least the one, the only one, 448 00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:41,720 Speaker 1: the one I talked to, she said there was nothing 449 00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:44,600 Speaker 1: on her game. No vehicles had gone by that night 450 00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:47,239 Speaker 1: in that time ring. And also the homes are far 451 00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:49,600 Speaker 1: off the road, so I don't know what, if anything 452 00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:53,040 Speaker 1: her door cam her ring would have picked up. Yeah, yeah, 453 00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:54,800 Speaker 1: it depends with which way you were traveling on that 454 00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:57,800 Speaker 1: road as well. Also, let me follow up on something 455 00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:01,120 Speaker 1: that was said earlier. You said it Matt Harris, morning 456 00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:03,760 Speaker 1: show host w l n K and the Murdoch Family 457 00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:08,720 Speaker 1: Murders Impact of Influenced podcast. You said that members that 458 00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:11,920 Speaker 1: had been on the boat the night the earlier couple 459 00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:18,480 Speaker 1: of years before that the son was driving, they have 460 00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:22,480 Speaker 1: willingly given their DNA. Yes, yes, that's the that's the 461 00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:25,160 Speaker 1: report I have that they yes, they all five of 462 00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:29,120 Speaker 1: them or four of them get their DNA finger principal 463 00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:34,320 Speaker 1: works to whirl themselves out. As you know, the ones 464 00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:36,160 Speaker 1: who had done who committed the murders? You know, I 465 00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:39,080 Speaker 1: find that very interesting, Daryl Cohen, from a strategic point 466 00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:43,960 Speaker 1: of view, Does it in some way tell you that 467 00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:48,480 Speaker 1: the husband, the father, Alex Murdoch is not involved, Because 468 00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:51,280 Speaker 1: if they're going back two or three years to find 469 00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:53,240 Speaker 1: out who was on that boat involved in the boating 470 00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:57,240 Speaker 1: accident looking for a perk, that tells me that they 471 00:30:57,360 --> 00:31:00,520 Speaker 1: may not think the data is evolved. I think you're right, Nancy. 472 00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:02,920 Speaker 1: I don't think the dad is involved. I think that 473 00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:06,480 Speaker 1: we're looking at somebody who was absolutely at least the 474 00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:10,320 Speaker 1: mother and the son were targeted. They were followed or else. 475 00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:14,200 Speaker 1: Maybe it was random in terms of the date. Maybe 476 00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:16,840 Speaker 1: they were just waiting for them to be there. But 477 00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:20,200 Speaker 1: it may very well be somebody who is angry from 478 00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:25,320 Speaker 1: miss Beach's family. Maybe it was someone who the law 479 00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:30,000 Speaker 1: firm didn't didn't do well in their opinion. Wait a minute, 480 00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:34,120 Speaker 1: are you floating the idea that, for instance, somebody didn't 481 00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:35,840 Speaker 1: make partner in the law firm, so they go and 482 00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:40,920 Speaker 1: kill Maggie and Paul. That's pretty far fetched, Darryl. Even 483 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:44,880 Speaker 1: for you, Nancy, no, a client, a former client, or 484 00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:47,320 Speaker 1: someone who wanted to be a client or someone who 485 00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:50,000 Speaker 1: Why not kill the dad, Alex, he's a lawyer, Why 486 00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:52,480 Speaker 1: go kill Maggie and the sun don't get magg yet, 487 00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:55,240 Speaker 1: even I'm going to take care of what he loves. 488 00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:58,120 Speaker 1: You know what, go back to writing your novel, Okay, 489 00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:00,480 Speaker 1: because that's not the scenario, right, This is not a 490 00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:03,480 Speaker 1: revenge killing. They go kill him for Pete's sake, the 491 00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:07,360 Speaker 1: lawyer that handled it. But I like the out of 492 00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:10,080 Speaker 1: the box thinking. Let's try to get back away from 493 00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:11,920 Speaker 1: the little Green Men from Mars and focus on what 494 00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:15,360 Speaker 1: may have really happened Daryl Cohen. Guys, we're talking about 495 00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:18,320 Speaker 1: the double murders that grewesome double murders there in South 496 00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:22,080 Speaker 1: Carolina of a powerful family still unsolved. To find that 497 00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:26,400 Speaker 1: very unusual. In addition to this dash cam video emerging 498 00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:29,920 Speaker 1: Matt Harris. Oh and by the way, on that dash 499 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:35,200 Speaker 1: cam video, you hear the boyfriend of Mallory Beach saying, 500 00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:41,520 Speaker 1: go wrought in effing hell. We also know that the 501 00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:48,960 Speaker 1: son Paul now Dad, was really drunk, intoxicated, belligerent. In fact, 502 00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:53,080 Speaker 1: his alter ego named Timmy had come out. That's what 503 00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:55,080 Speaker 1: his friends called him when he was so drunk. It 504 00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:59,680 Speaker 1: seemed like another personality at work. What is the other 505 00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:03,479 Speaker 1: lead right now, Matt Harris tell me the very latest. 506 00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:06,520 Speaker 1: I guess that the well very latest is I just see. 507 00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:09,440 Speaker 1: I guess they've they have dropped the charges against Fall, 508 00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:11,640 Speaker 1: which would be obvious, but they did drop the charges 509 00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:15,960 Speaker 1: and the civil cases continuing on against the Murdoch family 510 00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:22,400 Speaker 1: for the potential cover up in the trying to frame 511 00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:26,320 Speaker 1: somebody other than Paul as the Connor Cook was the 512 00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:29,640 Speaker 1: guy's name. They were trying to spend, according Connor Cook's attorneys, 513 00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:34,040 Speaker 1: so they fired like the they filed the pre lawsuit 514 00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:37,520 Speaker 1: lawsuit where they can get discovery and such from I 515 00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:43,680 Speaker 1: think five different uh ff DNR agents and find out 516 00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:47,640 Speaker 1: whether the Murdoch can put pressure on them to cause 517 00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:50,720 Speaker 1: confusion about who might have been driving the boat that night. Okay, 518 00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:53,400 Speaker 1: let's talk about that. Are you telling me that there 519 00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:58,280 Speaker 1: was an active attempt to frame another individual you named 520 00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:02,200 Speaker 1: Connor Cook as having been driving the boat the night 521 00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:06,000 Speaker 1: Mallory Beach was killed. I'm telling you that Connor Cook's 522 00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:08,920 Speaker 1: attorneys to think there may have been, and they are 523 00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:13,040 Speaker 1: trying to prove that they're getting their discovery first and 524 00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:16,279 Speaker 1: then there you'll see if they want to press a 525 00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:20,440 Speaker 1: lawsuit against the Murdoch family. Well, you're absolutely right, because 526 00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:23,560 Speaker 1: several police officers have been accused of trying to diminish 527 00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:28,200 Speaker 1: Murdoch's role in the boat crash, including one who filed 528 00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:32,000 Speaker 1: the report suggesting that it was unclear who was driving 529 00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:36,400 Speaker 1: the boat. Well, it's not unclear to the people that 530 00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:39,480 Speaker 1: were on the boat. In fact, one guy says he 531 00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:44,839 Speaker 1: was holding his girlfriend that Murdog was driving so crazily 532 00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:49,239 Speaker 1: he was actually holding his girlfriend. Quote. I finally got 533 00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:50,880 Speaker 1: to the point where I grabbed my girlfriend and put 534 00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:52,760 Speaker 1: it in my lap and the bottom of the boat 535 00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:56,520 Speaker 1: and was holding on with my eyes closed. Next thing 536 00:34:56,600 --> 00:35:01,520 Speaker 1: I know, I'm in the effing water. Everybody knows who 537 00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:06,279 Speaker 1: was driving the boat, Matt Harris. Why would a cop 538 00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:09,719 Speaker 1: write that, Well, because if when I looked through, at 539 00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:12,800 Speaker 1: least according to what they wrote on their reports, a 540 00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:16,279 Speaker 1: lot of the boaters, people on the boat were not 541 00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:19,560 Speaker 1: clear as who was driving. They and I people wonder 542 00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:22,640 Speaker 1: whether because Paul Murdoch's dad was there and his grandfather 543 00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:25,520 Speaker 1: and they were talking to the people that were on 544 00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:29,240 Speaker 1: the boat and probably telling them not to make a statement. 545 00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:33,040 Speaker 1: Connor Cook never made a statement. About who was driving there. 546 00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:35,920 Speaker 1: So there was a lot, at least in the reports, 547 00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:41,000 Speaker 1: people saying Connor and Paul were near where the throttle 548 00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:43,640 Speaker 1: was and that the throttle got pushed down and then 549 00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:45,319 Speaker 1: they hit the boat. Wait a minute, Wait a minute. 550 00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:49,040 Speaker 1: I thought everybody had been begging Paul to slow down 551 00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:52,360 Speaker 1: and quit driving, so crazily they had they had he 552 00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:56,160 Speaker 1: was driving the boat well, that Paul would occasionally go 553 00:35:56,360 --> 00:36:00,920 Speaker 1: up and fight with his girlfriend pusher and spin on her, 554 00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:03,959 Speaker 1: and then while he was doing that, Connor was driving 555 00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:06,359 Speaker 1: with Paul would come back and take over again. And then, 556 00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:08,240 Speaker 1: like you said, the one girl sho put a blanket 557 00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:10,839 Speaker 1: over her head so she couldn't see, and another one 558 00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:12,520 Speaker 1: was down in the bottom of the boat because they 559 00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:15,239 Speaker 1: were scared. So he's like, I can't tell you for 560 00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:17,719 Speaker 1: sure who hit the throttle until the next day. Then 561 00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:21,359 Speaker 1: one of people the boat said it was definitely Paul, 562 00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:23,680 Speaker 1: So there's one There was a definite Paul on there, 563 00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:26,719 Speaker 1: but Paul said it wasn't him, and Connor said it 564 00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:29,359 Speaker 1: wasn't him, but Connor didn't point the finger at Paul. Okay, 565 00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:31,919 Speaker 1: other than trying to place the blame on Connor Cook, 566 00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:34,400 Speaker 1: what more can you tell me of the most recent 567 00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:38,759 Speaker 1: developments in the investigation. I think the latest is, you know, 568 00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:40,920 Speaker 1: you've gone through a lot of it right now and 569 00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:44,120 Speaker 1: we're still wait to see if they were released the 570 00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:46,799 Speaker 1: death certificates for Maggie. If you may put a find 571 00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:50,440 Speaker 1: something on that of interest, but that hasn't been released 572 00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:52,960 Speaker 1: it and we're not sure why. I find that very unusual. 573 00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:55,319 Speaker 1: What about it, Jes Scott Morgan, you're the death investigator. 574 00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:58,560 Speaker 1: You've got the autopsy report on the sun, why not 575 00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:02,200 Speaker 1: the bomb. I would think that unless something super bizarre 576 00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:05,040 Speaker 1: is going on with the mom, that it should be 577 00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:07,160 Speaker 1: released within a matter of days. The only thing I 578 00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:10,000 Speaker 1: can think of is, you know, we're talking about a 579 00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:13,120 Speaker 1: homicide and we're talking about a female that is one 580 00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:14,879 Speaker 1: of the victims, and unless they were doing a rape 581 00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:17,520 Speaker 1: kid or something. But I can't imagine that why they 582 00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:22,480 Speaker 1: would delay releasing her death certificate because all indications at 583 00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:24,880 Speaker 1: this point in time indicate that she was shot in 584 00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:27,960 Speaker 1: multiple times as well, just like her own son. So 585 00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:30,120 Speaker 1: it's a bit of a headscratcher as to why they 586 00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:32,239 Speaker 1: haven't released it yet, and under the law, they're not 587 00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:36,160 Speaker 1: under any timeline to release it. It's not like you 588 00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:39,040 Speaker 1: can put a fire under their rear end and release 589 00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:42,000 Speaker 1: the autopsy report back to you, Matt Harris, So we're 590 00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:46,720 Speaker 1: waiting on Maggie's autopsy report. We understand there's an attempt 591 00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:50,080 Speaker 1: to frame Connor Cook. We know that the felony charges 592 00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:53,160 Speaker 1: against his son and the voting crash Palm or Jock 593 00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:56,320 Speaker 1: haven't been dropped. He's dead. You can't go forward. I 594 00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:58,960 Speaker 1: assume the civil suits still in place. What else can 595 00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:01,680 Speaker 1: you tell me, Matt? You know, I agree with what 596 00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:06,200 Speaker 1: the guests were saying that I think Sled and the 597 00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:10,320 Speaker 1: investigative agencies know a lot more than they're saying, and 598 00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:13,160 Speaker 1: I really do think that they have some idea of 599 00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:15,440 Speaker 1: where they're going with the investigation. Well, we can only 600 00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:19,879 Speaker 1: hope and pray, We wait as justice unfolds. Fancy Grace 601 00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:21,759 Speaker 1: Crime's story, signing off good life for it