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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you missed in History Class A production

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Speaker 1: of I Heart Radio, Happy Friday, Everybody. I'm Tracy Vie Wilson,

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Speaker 1: and I'm Holly Fry. So this week we did a

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Speaker 1: six impossible episodes about mother goose um and I had

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Speaker 1: a weird research journey. So I picked this topic for

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Speaker 1: this particular week because I was gonna get my first

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Speaker 1: dose of COVID vaccine um and that was just logistically

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Speaker 1: going to take effectively a half a day to get done.

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Speaker 1: And then also I was like, what if I don't

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Speaker 1: feel well, I should do something that I would still

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Speaker 1: be able to finish in the time that that we have. Uh,

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Speaker 1: and six impossible episodes, even though they deal with six

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Speaker 1: individual things a lot of times, are a little more

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Speaker 1: restrained in scope to a full on episode where we're

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Speaker 1: trying to get a really broad familiarity. Was something before

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Speaker 1: getting into it. So it seemed like a reasonable conclusion

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Speaker 1: that even if I had some kind of you know,

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Speaker 1: immune response after the vaccine that made me feel bad,

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Speaker 1: that I would still be able to get my work done.

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Speaker 1: I did not. I had a sinus headache the next day.

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Speaker 1: That was because it was full of pollen. Otherwise I

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Speaker 1: was totally fine, and I spent way more time on

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Speaker 1: that first section on who Mother Goose was than I

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Speaker 1: was anticipating. It was really almost the entirety of a day.

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Speaker 1: I got to the end of the day, I was like,

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Speaker 1: this as much as I can. And the next day

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Speaker 1: I got up in my brain was like, you haven't though.

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Speaker 1: You got to go back to this whole Mother Goose thing,

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Speaker 1: and I was like, come on now, I gotta I

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Speaker 1: gotta get the rest of the episode done at some

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Speaker 1: part Mother Goose forever. Yeah. And then another weird thing

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Speaker 1: happened with all this. I live outside of Boston in

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Speaker 1: was that this incredibly efficient and well run, high capacity

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Speaker 1: which we did not do. And then it was the

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Speaker 1: next day that I started doing all of this research

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Speaker 1: and came across the whole thing with the American Antiquarian

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Speaker 1: Society having to debunk the wrong stuff, and I was like, man,

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Speaker 1: what a weird coincidence that I literally saw this place

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Speaker 1: Did you and your beloved get to do your vaccinations

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Speaker 1: colossally long convoluted rabbit hole that took way way longer

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Speaker 1: idea that an incredibly rare blood clotting disorder that had

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Speaker 1: happened in six out of six million in vaccinations approximately

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