Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to this episode of The
Speaker 1: Weekly Zeitgeist.
Speaker 2: Uh.
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Speaker 1: without further ado, here is the Weekly Zeitgeist. Miles. We
Speaker 1: are thrilled to be joined by today's special expert guest.
Speaker 1: He's a senior researcher of US hate and extremist movements
Speaker 1: at the Institute for Strategic Dialogue. To quote Samuel L. Jackson,
Speaker 1: holt Onto your butts. Oh, it's the return of Hulta Mania.
Speaker 1: The Holtster is in the house, So Holtster your weapons.
Speaker 3: It's Jerry, Jerry, Jerry hold holds.
Speaker 1: Good to be here.
Speaker 4: Hold on, we're not done.
Speaker 1: I feel like I was off there. Give me one second.
Speaker 1: That's good man, oh man, God help.
Speaker 5: Things are good. It's hard to complain too much. It's
Speaker 5: it's warm in Chicago again, so it's it's nice to
Speaker 5: go outside and see things start to grow and uh
Speaker 5: walk my dog along the lake front, which he is
Speaker 5: crazy about. But yeah, it's been good.
Speaker 1: Thanks. What do you mean like that?
Speaker 4: Like that like he's rabid. So when he sees his
Speaker 4: bodies of water rubbed away. Yeah, just are just loving
Speaker 4: and generally just excited by the year.
Speaker 1: Bas he loving it.
Speaker 5: Oh, he he goes crazy. He loves to smell all
Speaker 5: the weird stuff that washes up on the shore of
Speaker 5: Lake Michigan, which a lot of stuff washes up there,
Speaker 5: like kinds of fish you wouldn't.
Speaker 1: Expect, Like that's probably a good sign.
Speaker 5: Like there's a lot of like crab looking things that
Speaker 5: wash up. And maybe I'm just showing my own ignorance
Speaker 5: over bodies of water, which I.
Speaker 1: Will fully right right too.
Speaker 5: But but but yeah, he just goes crazy. He runs
Speaker 5: some circles, goes nuts for like ten minutes, and then
Speaker 5: my wife and I.
Speaker 1: Usually carry him the rest of the way. But he loves.
Speaker 4: Ith wow like that like that metaphor or that story
Speaker 4: about christ.
Speaker 1: On the beach carrying him. Yeah, do you make him
Speaker 1: look back at his footsteps and tell him with me
Speaker 1: and me and mom?
Speaker 4: Oh man, I'm glad you're here because the Donald Trump
Speaker 4: and race speech drifted into Q town and I was like, oh,
Speaker 4: we're still playing that music again, So I'm glad you're
Speaker 4: here to.
Speaker 1: Be definitely on a bit of a Q tip on
Speaker 1: that one.
Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, when he could have been on a camal
Speaker 4: the abstract sort of wave. That's a deep that's a
Speaker 4: deep Q tip cut for all my drive call Q
Speaker 4: West fans out there. Yeah, but I'm sure that was
Speaker 4: that like getting people excited on the old Q internets.
Speaker 5: Yeah, some of the Q andon influencers, which is such
Speaker 5: a weird thing to say. Yeah, like the same way
Speaker 5: we think of like, oh, I'm like a spirituality influencers literally,
Speaker 5: just like Buddy, I've read a lot of posts and
Speaker 5: you're in safe hands, don't work.
Speaker 1: Those are my spiritual influencers.
Speaker 5: Yeah right right, yeah, yeah, some of them that I
Speaker 5: still like kind of keep an eye on from the
Speaker 5: Q and on heyday, we're like, oh, it's this music again.
Speaker 5: And it's interesting to see this make the rounds because
Speaker 5: during the twenty twenty campaign, you know, at Trump rallies,
Speaker 5: this music would play and all the QUE people would
Speaker 5: get like really pumped up about it because it's the
Speaker 5: song by you know, it's uploaded on I think it's
Speaker 5: SoundCloud or a YouTube channel or something by somebody who
Speaker 5: is just like straight up Q pilled and or appears
Speaker 5: to be I guess I should say and so they've
Speaker 5: always been like, look, this is this is for us,
Speaker 5: this is is our music, this is our anthem in
Speaker 5: the truck where US by Canada campaign has just been
Speaker 5: adamant about like, no, it's just a song. And then
Speaker 5: reporters are like, well, how'd you find the song? And
Speaker 5: they're like and the next question, you know, and uh,
Speaker 5: for all the flak they got for using that song
Speaker 5: four years ago, it's definitely I mean, this was like
Speaker 5: somebody's conscious choice was like, we're gonna play this song again.
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, Oh, and he's gonna pause for thirty seconds.
Speaker 1: So just like, let that shit cook that ship. Let
Speaker 1: everyone based.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and Mari and Natean, well, yeah, I'm glad you're
Speaker 4: here because I'm I have many questions about that and
Speaker 4: generally what we're looking at this fall, you know, like.
Speaker 1: Wears Coast off of the vibes of people who were
Speaker 1: in Chicago during summer because they have to like trudge
Speaker 1: through like Andy Duframe crawling through shit to freedom. Chicagoans
Speaker 1: need to trudge through eight months pure shit to get
Speaker 1: to really like one of the best places to be
Speaker 1: during summer months, spring and summer months and like in
Speaker 1: the world. Yeah, yeah, Chicago in the summer is like
Speaker 1: my favorite place on earth. Yeah, it's really great. Yeah. Wow,
Speaker 1: now I must go. Have you been, Jack Sureley, you've gone?
Speaker 1: You said I've never been. I just you know, I've
Speaker 1: seen Ferris Bueller and I saw She'll Tight Boys the summer.
Speaker 1: What is something from your search history? Okay?
Speaker 6: I got on the Bridgerton bandwagon. I googled did banks
Speaker 6: exist in eighteen thirteen?
Speaker 4: Because talking about the one sister who's rocking the.
Speaker 6: Bank and that one sister has like the really long banks,
Speaker 6: and I was like, this looks like a ninety you know,
Speaker 6: like a twenty twenty bank. Yeah, So then I googled,
Speaker 6: and then then I went down this like rabbit hole
Speaker 6: of learning about hair during the regency era, right, So
Speaker 6: I guess they did have bangs.
Speaker 1: Oh they did.
Speaker 6: I just I just didn't believe it.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, there are some paintings. They're just like, not
Speaker 1: the famous one. But what was her name?
Speaker 7: Is it?
Speaker 1: Eloise? Who got the banks?
Speaker 6: Well, like this that one sister had like really long banks,
Speaker 6: and I was like, because the first one in season
Speaker 6: one she had that short, weird short like Audrey Hepburn
Speaker 6: type bangs.
Speaker 4: Uh huh yeah, Eloise Elois got yeah, Wilans Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 6: It was like did they have banks?
Speaker 4: When did bangs start?
Speaker 1: I don't know that's research. Is that something you can google?
Speaker 1: When did the When did bangs start? I'm looking up
Speaker 1: Portrait de la trie Jean Samari by Renoir. It's a
Speaker 1: portrait painted in eighteen seventy seven and she's working with banks.
Speaker 1: She looks great. Banks by the way.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, girls always get banks and they like break
Speaker 6: up with guys. So I feel like.
Speaker 8: Yeah forever, Yeah, I gotta gotta try the bang out.
Speaker 1: Also, there's so I mean, well Caesar, right, isn't the
Speaker 1: Caesar a very banged male haircut in a way?
Speaker 4: Yeah, but it's like bangs bands over the front, that's all. Yeah,
Speaker 4: it's a Caesar, all hands on deck to the front
Speaker 4: of the class.
Speaker 1: This is this is an interesting page that's just like
Speaker 1: ancient ages bangs, and it's got some like Egyptian Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: the Egyptians were rocking bangs fourteen nineties to the fifteen hundreds.
Speaker 1: Bangs had a little bit of a moment of course,
Speaker 1: was rocking bangs. R Bang's been around, total has been around.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I like though too. Though in my mind also,
Speaker 4: I'm like the bank. It's so funny because we're looking
Speaker 4: at that character. I'm watching this new season too, and
Speaker 4: it feels like it's it's like a it's like a
Speaker 4: wig bang, you know what I mean, like bangs, like
Speaker 4: it's part of the hairpiece. So like, yeah, sometimes it
Speaker 4: has like different like levels of body to it.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, mister playing with these fake bangs. And
Speaker 1: then I was like, where there is this allowed? Where
Speaker 1: there I keep googling.
Speaker 6: I've been actually this whole season just like well, like
Speaker 6: the last season there was like an Indian character, so
Speaker 6: it was like did people from India go to England?
Speaker 6: And I was like, duh, of course we were calling
Speaker 6: nice by them, so that makes sense right right. I
Speaker 6: was googling. I don't know if you saw caught in
Speaker 6: this last season, there was like a rotating band. The
Speaker 6: band was rotating in the center of the dance floor,
Speaker 6: you know, like a pedestal. Yeah, And I was like,
Speaker 6: how did that happen?
Speaker 1: Did they do that?
Speaker 6: I don't know everything every episode I googled something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, was there like a little mouse doing like powering
Speaker 1: a wheel that was making it rotate?
Speaker 6: Yeah, That's what I was wondering. I was like, they
Speaker 6: didn't have electricity.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I mean that's the thing where like obviously
Speaker 4: they take liberties, especially with like the race relations.
Speaker 1: There were some Irish people underground, just like shoveling Cold Fellows. Yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: we need more power.
Speaker 4: Did you watch Queen Charlotte though, That's like the closest
Speaker 4: one where they they reckon with like the post racial
Speaker 4: kind of vibes of the show. And I was like, oh,
Speaker 4: because every yeah Charlotte.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I was like googling her. Then I found like
Speaker 6: all these old pictures of paintings of her and what
Speaker 6: she was supposed to look like. And apparently she wasn't
Speaker 6: as gorgeous as they make her out to be in
Speaker 6: the real in this TV show.
Speaker 1: And neither was King George.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's whole the whole series. Have been googling a.
Speaker 4: Lot, realizing like, maybe I'm not watching it for the
Speaker 4: historical accuracy at all.
Speaker 6: This is fiction. This is made.
Speaker 4: I've got it.
Speaker 1: Love it, love it, love it, love it. Look, what
Speaker 1: is something you think is underrated? Underrated?
Speaker 9: You know, maybe this is related. I didn't think about
Speaker 9: it as related. I didn't think of my underrelated underrated
Speaker 9: as related to my Google search. But I was like,
Speaker 9: no one talks about the upside of dropping the ball
Speaker 9: all it's m M like, I'm actually a very I'm
Speaker 9: actually a personality that is not very like.
Speaker 1: I don't drop the ball. Honestly, I don't know. So
Speaker 1: you're a little type on middle type A.
Speaker 9: But recently, just because of life, I've been dropping the
Speaker 9: ball here and there, And at first I was feeling
Speaker 9: really bad about it because every every external factor tells
Speaker 9: you that you should feel like crap about it, and
Speaker 9: as well, I should really feel really bad because what
Speaker 9: what is my contribution If I'm not Karen, Everyone's goddamn balls.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, drop no ball lady. Yeah.
Speaker 9: But it turns out that sometimes when you drop the ball,
Speaker 9: like you don't get back to something, like you just
Speaker 9: forget about things or you don't do summer camp on
Speaker 9: time or whatever.
Speaker 1: It's uh, look, get solved.
Speaker 9: Like it's amazing you could drop balls and you just
Speaker 9: get more efficient at solving them quickly.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I think the part of the ball dropping process is
Speaker 4: also giving yourself, like the confidence in yourself that you
Speaker 4: can address any kind of anomaloust thing that happens, any
Speaker 4: deviation from your set out plan, any contingency, because like
Speaker 4: I'm just thinking of like what my therapists are and
Speaker 4: I can't drop the ball, And it's like, but don't
Speaker 4: you trust yourself that even if the ball is dropped,
Speaker 4: that you would be able to figure it out.
Speaker 1: I'm like me, aw, damn yeh wow.
Speaker 4: I do trust my you know what, I'm dropping the
Speaker 4: ball because I know I can pick it back up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but but I won't be paying you this week. Yeah?
Speaker 1: Is that cool? I'm going to drop the ball. One thing,
Speaker 1: I need you to not drop the ball.
Speaker 9: I might drop the ball in this payment though, So yeah,
Speaker 9: I got to think of, like, you know, there's a
Speaker 9: bunch of things in this world that we always talk
Speaker 9: about it, Like, you know, there's so many people talking
Speaker 9: about trauma and how trauma fixed your life, and I'm
Speaker 9: sometimes like, what's the upside of trauma? Like sometimes you know,
Speaker 9: you don't have to diet because I'm so consumed with
Speaker 9: your trauma.
Speaker 1: You're not You're not eating sugar right at all? Yeah.
Speaker 4: I didn't realize I'm not taking care of myself.
Speaker 1: But they look other parts that go along with it. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the older I've gotten, the more I've realized that I'm
Speaker 1: incredibly bad at judging, like what is going? Like I
Speaker 1: feel stressed out about the wrong things. I like, where
Speaker 1: worry about the wrong things? And then oh should you
Speaker 1: be worrying about?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 9: Oh now I'm worried? Do I worry about the wrong things?
Speaker 9: What should I be worried about?
Speaker 10: Well?
Speaker 1: I just like, you know, events or something that I'm
Speaker 1: like dreading end up being fine or good. And then
Speaker 1: you know the stuff that.
Speaker 4: Just say, Jack, it's the migrant convoys that are headed
Speaker 4: for our.
Speaker 1: I just spend I mean, I've been I've been pitching
Speaker 1: this story of Miles forever and it's it's seenophobic fear
Speaker 1: monk they're talking about on the news. Many talk. You
Speaker 1: can see the corkboard behind me. But there's some things
Speaker 1: that I need people to listen to. Is that dread
Speaker 1: on the corkboard?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 1: Red right? Yeah you aren't, yeah guy, But yeah, I
Speaker 1: just I feel like a lot of you know, I
Speaker 1: talked to an older person one time and they were like,
Speaker 1: if I had known like now what I or if
Speaker 1: I know if I had known then what I know now,
Speaker 1: Like I wouldn't have worried about ninety five percent of
Speaker 1: the shit that I spent my life worrying about. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's like when you to say easy for you to say, asshole.
Speaker 1: But like when I look back at like an old
Speaker 1: to do list full of things that are like stressing
Speaker 1: me out that I have to get done, Like I
Speaker 1: don't even remember what most of them are, Like they're
Speaker 1: just so insignificant, so dumb. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 9: On the other side of that, I feel like anytime
Speaker 9: someone's you know, doing the an older person is doing
Speaker 9: a reflection of like, you know what I think about
Speaker 9: it now, was really I just spend time with loved
Speaker 9: ones and you know, friends and family. And you're like, yeah,
Speaker 9: but you you made a fortune, right, you.
Speaker 1: Didn't do that for a very very, very very very
Speaker 1: long time.
Speaker 9: Yeah, now you're saying we should all spend time with
Speaker 9: love once, yet you've been doing that for like thirty
Speaker 9: five minutes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like a millionaire biography. Who's just like in retrospect,
Speaker 1: I just pulled myself up by the bootstraps and it
Speaker 1: was really easy and I didn't need anybody. But like,
Speaker 1: I just want to know I should have spent time
Speaker 1: with my family. What is something you think is overrated Boeing.
Speaker 11: I think Boeing is still still overrated. I just read
Speaker 11: yesterday that there's like thirty more planes that might just
Speaker 11: blow up in the sky. Yeah, oh no, how are
Speaker 11: you still even in business? Like, like, at what point
Speaker 11: does the government just step in and nationalize Boeing Because
Speaker 11: it's it's getting like I have to fly like four
Speaker 11: times in the next month and guarantee their Boeing planes
Speaker 11: and I'm absolutely terrified of getting on these fucking planes.
Speaker 11: Like what happened to the other didn't other people make planes?
Speaker 11: I thought there were other people made planes because I can't.
Speaker 4: Find them because like, didn't McDonnell Douglas end up merging
Speaker 4: with Boeing.
Speaker 1: Like the other one happened?
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I feel like that they ended up
Speaker 4: merging with Boeing and yeah, like it's it's like, you know,
Speaker 4: it's all consolidation. And then on your FA, the question
Speaker 4: about the FAA is like regulatory capture, Like they just
Speaker 4: budied up with the FA and they're like, come on, man,
Speaker 4: let us let us inspect our own planes. Man, you
Speaker 4: don't got to look at our ship. They're like, oh yeah, okay,
Speaker 4: we got the why would you inspect the planes? We
Speaker 4: have a respect federal regulator. Yeah we got we got
Speaker 4: inspectors too, bro.
Speaker 1: Just take just you heard me say I got you.
Speaker 1: You heard me say this ship.
Speaker 11: Bro, I don't just say that to anybody.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah it is. It is wild.
Speaker 4: And I mean like yeah, every story like there's all
Speaker 4: like I feel like, now there's like a weekly Boeing
Speaker 4: story about something happening a landing gear malfunctioning or some
Speaker 4: other weird shit.
Speaker 10: At first, I thought it was like overblown, Like I
Speaker 10: was like, oh, I mean it's like I'll be honest,
Speaker 10: I'm like I've the door ripped off, and I was like, oh,
Speaker 10: it's the Max Plan.
Speaker 1: It's that plane, right, Yeah, that plane sucks.
Speaker 11: The Max Plane, it sucks.
Speaker 10: But then now like a this week, this like new
Speaker 10: story that like half their fleet might be fucked up
Speaker 10: or whatever it is.
Speaker 11: I'm like, what are you people doing?
Speaker 1: What is it?
Speaker 11: And then is it a problem or is it not
Speaker 11: a problem? The government needs to suck right exactly, they
Speaker 11: are like it's a very this is very bad. But
Speaker 11: then they're like.
Speaker 10: Fly away, you know which one you should If the
Speaker 10: planes will kill us, shouldn't they stop the flights.
Speaker 4: Well, what's worse a couple hundred people dying or my
Speaker 4: revenue going to a fucking absolute halt, you know what
Speaker 4: I mean, that's quite what they're telling them, Like, please don't.
Speaker 1: Make us shut down. Man, We're not gonna make money.
Speaker 1: Shout to the aviation maintenance technicians. Yeah, it's your day.
Speaker 4: Pay them triple, quadruple whatever, a living wage times too, please,
Speaker 4: because we we need we need these planes in there
Speaker 4: not bowing.
Speaker 1: They're not gonna they don't because they don't have to. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean that down to the airline. Yeah, yeah, yeah, sure,
Speaker 1: all right, yeah, nationalized bowingines reasons. Yeah, all right, let's
Speaker 1: take a quick break and we'll be right back. And
Speaker 1: we're back. We're back, And Jared, you have this piece
Speaker 1: about to report. I guess we would call it a report.
Speaker 1: It's official, and it's about the fact something that I
Speaker 1: feel like we've that's been coming up more and more
Speaker 1: recently that not all conspiracy theories are created equal. There
Speaker 1: are some that are very dangerous, but they're not always
Speaker 1: the ones that get the most attention. So just wanted
Speaker 1: to like kind of get you to talk broadly about
Speaker 1: where the kind of impetus for this report was coming
Speaker 1: from like many things I write nowadays, it's equal parts
Speaker 1: trying to be helpful and also just my passive aggression
Speaker 1: at the National News right in the way they cover
Speaker 1: the stuff I research so.
Speaker 5: Generally conspiracy theories and sort of how prevalent they like
Speaker 5: they've become in discourse, especially political discourse is important on
Speaker 5: the whole. But the premise of this piece is basically
Speaker 5: to say that even though that bigger picture is important,
Speaker 5: and all the conspiracy theories like make up that bigger picture,
Speaker 5: it doesn't mean that like people saying that the Illuminati
Speaker 5: is using Taylor Swift to flush the Super Bowl is
Speaker 5: equally as important as you know, the same conspiracy theorists
Speaker 5: accusing some random no no name election worker of being
Speaker 5: a pedophile in that person's life being turned upside down
Speaker 5: by freaks on the internet.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So it's like there's a power imbalance that you
Speaker 1: kind of comes up throughout the report that, like a
Speaker 1: lot of the theories, the one that jumped out to
Speaker 1: me because it's one that we've talked about on this
Speaker 1: show is but the boeing was the blower thing where
Speaker 1: whistle blowers keep dying and everyone's like having fun half jokingly,
Speaker 1: like with a little you know, while waggling our eyebrows aggressively,
Speaker 1: uh mentioning the two whistleblowers have died while while they
Speaker 1: were like about to testify, and then like just unrelatedly
Speaker 1: linking off to the Michael Clayton meme or the mic
Speaker 1: not meme, the Michael Clayton scene where a corporation like
Speaker 1: murders they tase that dude and then they shoot them
Speaker 1: in the toes. Yeah, shoot him up between the toes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like,
Speaker 1: on the one hand, like it seems like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: pretty pretty huge accusation to make. On the other hand,
Speaker 1: I'm not as worried about boeing, Like I don't think
Speaker 1: our problem as a society is bowing, not like getting
Speaker 1: too much scrutiny personally, Like that doesn't seem to be
Speaker 1: the main problem. But I guess I'm curious, Like where
Speaker 1: does that fall for you on the uh list of
Speaker 1: like conspiracy theories to be monitoring and concerned about.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so it's kind of conspiracy theories where yeah, we
Speaker 5: all wiggle our eyebrows and wait for the other person
Speaker 5: to be like right, actually gave this.
Speaker 1: Though, yeah too, right, like you know, yeah, just keep going.
Speaker 5: But yeah, but like wouldn't it be crazy if then
Speaker 5: somebody pulled up the banking documents for this and.
Speaker 4: Right, right, so I told you we don't have a
Speaker 4: twelve in that Shu. I was just back there, Yeah
Speaker 4: all right.
Speaker 5: So I always think about like like power balances and
Speaker 5: then also like who is the victim of a conspiracy theory?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 5: And maybe that's victims the wrong word, but like this is,
Speaker 5: I mean, what happens we all form a negative opinion
Speaker 5: about Boeing their corporation, My my heart does not break
Speaker 5: for the stock price of Boeing, or you know how
Speaker 5: people feel about their airplanes or whatever. I think if
Speaker 5: you know, those kind of theories started singling out, you know,
Speaker 5: like a specific lawyer and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 5: like two hundred thousand people are hyper fixated on this
Speaker 5: lawyer and sharing their addresses and stuff like that can
Speaker 5: get a little bit you know, then that would kind
Speaker 5: of get into the territory of like, oh, maybe we
Speaker 5: should keep an eye on this because this could actually
Speaker 5: like cause some trouble to this person, who, as far
Speaker 5: as we know, could just be like you know, totally
Speaker 5: innocent or whatever. It's just like people are coming up
Speaker 5: with things online to say about it. Yeah, so this
Speaker 5: piece is really more about like those power balances like
Speaker 5: you pointed out in considering the impact of conspiracy theories.
Speaker 5: I think there's a lot of conspiracy theories that exist
Speaker 5: in sort of a gray area like truth wise, of like,
Speaker 5: this certainly doesn't look good. It looks a little weird,
Speaker 5: and it might be fun to talk about or explore
Speaker 5: or like get you know, but that's not something I like. Really,
Speaker 5: it's not like a place I really try to go
Speaker 5: in this piece because it gets like a little you know,
Speaker 5: complicated to talk about is maybe more of like a
Speaker 5: sociology question of like why do we enjoy this? But sure,
Speaker 5: but yeah, that's that's kind of how I think about it.
Speaker 5: I tend to think stuff like that is you know,
Speaker 5: generally benign. We're harmless in the grand scheme of things.
Speaker 1: Right, yesterday we talked about how Trump is needle dropping
Speaker 1: these c songs at his rallies, and for me that
Speaker 1: I feel like the slow creep of this has sort
Speaker 1: of like flown under the radar, this latest needle drop,
Speaker 1: because like at first it was this thing that like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it might be tied to Q. And then he's started
Speaker 1: just like playing it during his speeches like on purpose,
Speaker 1: like in a like music would start swelling up in
Speaker 1: a movie in a weird way. And like at first
Speaker 1: that was like Jesus, what, like what is happening? This
Speaker 1: is so strange? And now when he does it and
Speaker 1: like stops for a minute to just like let the
Speaker 1: music ride, We're just like uh huh. Like so, like
Speaker 1: this feels like we have a presidential candidate who, if
Speaker 1: the election was out tomorrow, would win or would be
Speaker 1: very close to winning, who is embracing what is ostensibly
Speaker 1: a cult with him as the figurehead. Is that one
Speaker 1: of the ones that you feel like we need to
Speaker 1: be worried about? And if so, why or why not?
Speaker 5: I would say yes because of you know, again going
Speaker 5: back to this question of power, there's few people in
Speaker 5: the US that hold more you know sway and are
Speaker 5: very close if not, you know, I mean, like you
Speaker 5: pointed out, Trump very well could win this fall. It's
Speaker 5: it's like very much in the cards. I tend to
Speaker 5: think he probably will. I hope I'm wrong, But to
Speaker 5: have that kind of level of power indulging conspiracy theory
Speaker 5: like QAnon, which has driven you know, several individuals to
Speaker 5: violence throughout the years. I think is worth caring about
Speaker 5: because it's getting the blessing of somebody from a position
Speaker 5: of high power, which means that, you know, if we
Speaker 5: think of conspiracy theories like that, particularly some of the
Speaker 5: more deranged ones like QAnon, that have potentially more grave
Speaker 5: implications for the people that get caught up and targeted
Speaker 5: by them, you know, if we think of that as
Speaker 5: like a numbers game, then getting on stage with the
Speaker 5: you know, potentially the next president. You know, it's hard
Speaker 5: to think of a bigger, more consequential platform than that, right.
Speaker 4: And what like you know, just kind of watching the
Speaker 4: ebb and flow of Q and on, like obviously they
Speaker 4: it's things subsided, as you know, the drops became less
Speaker 4: and less frequent and then like stopped completely. Then you
Speaker 4: see sort of like it popping up. I just saw
Speaker 4: an article that you shared about how like Q and
Speaker 4: On references have been like just resurgent on like on
Speaker 4: Twitter recently and looking at even like what Trump is doing.
Speaker 4: Like in twenty twenty, I remember we were all like,
Speaker 4: oh shit, you're really doing this to try and like
Speaker 4: get as many people behind you for this reelection push
Speaker 4: as possible and like winking at the QAnon people have
Speaker 4: been like, yeah, come on, y'all right, like here's my like,
Speaker 4: come on down under this big tent and we can
Speaker 4: do it all together. Is it, like you know from
Speaker 4: what you've seen, is QAnon still like at this level
Speaker 4: where like this is sort of why Trump's doing this
Speaker 4: again to be like all right, guys, like is it
Speaker 4: or is it kind of like an Avengers assemble kind
Speaker 4: of like bat signal to be like, hey, we need
Speaker 4: to I need as many of the fucking freaks as
Speaker 4: possible to sort of go all in on my reelection
Speaker 4: campaign because maybe I can then turn that into a
Speaker 4: you know, potential January sixth type sequel.
Speaker 1: Or is the only way give them because he can't
Speaker 1: remember the phrasing, so like where we go, once, we go,
Speaker 1: we go always, many are saying we go one time
Speaker 1: of meta he's s.
Speaker 5: Winking at him because he thinks they're kind of cute, you.
Speaker 4: Know, Yeah, yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 5: Mean I think it generally kind of lines up with
Speaker 5: both of the previous Trump campaigns and what is shaping
Speaker 5: up to beat this one as well, which is, you know,
Speaker 5: put on a show for the freaks and let them
Speaker 5: kind of do the work of drumming up a larger
Speaker 5: page base of support, right. You know, Trump has done
Speaker 5: this from the very start on immigration rhetoric, taking like
Speaker 5: much harder lines and sort of restrictionist positions than other
Speaker 5: GOP candidates in the field were at the time, and
Speaker 5: still has some of the most extreme immigration policies that
Speaker 5: you know are floating around the GOP. So, you know,
Speaker 5: between just like dumbing back through the Trump campaign prior iterations,
Speaker 5: but the interviews with Alex Jones, the praising of like
Speaker 5: nutjobs like Ted Nugent, the getting dinner with the lives
Speaker 5: of TikTok Lady. You know, it's like very much this
Speaker 5: effort to cater too and sort of bring along anybody
Speaker 5: who is going to be ride or die for him.
Speaker 5: So I think his affinity for the QAnon people, I
Speaker 5: don't think he's like deep in the weeds.
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 5: I don't think he knows about like Q drops or
Speaker 5: you know, really like truly knows who any of these
Speaker 5: people are.
Speaker 1: But he don't know about q drops because he is
Speaker 1: q and doing the drops. Right, So, like he doesn't
Speaker 1: even think about them as drops, right, is that.
Speaker 11: What he.
Speaker 1: To say, to say that he knows about him would
Speaker 1: be under your cellar, you know, you know what I
Speaker 1: mean he has Jared is waggling his eyebrows at me,
Speaker 1: just like, but.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I think generally, you know, he he
Speaker 5: doesn't meet supporters that he doesn't like, and that's right,
Speaker 5: you know, tries to give him a little pat on
Speaker 5: the head and scratch to keep him going. In terms
Speaker 5: of QAnon more broadly, it's certainly not what it used
Speaker 5: to be. When the stopped, right, you know, a lot
Speaker 5: of that energy went elsewhere. In twenty twenty, it was
Speaker 5: like starting to spill into anti vax stuff. It continued
Speaker 5: to spill there. A lot of it spilled into election
Speaker 5: denihilism more broadly. So a lot of like diehard q
Speaker 5: people you know, kind of looked up and went, okay, well,
Speaker 5: maybe the president wasn't posting on eight chan for me
Speaker 5: to read, but right right, you know, it's about the
Speaker 5: friends we made along the way, and you know, sort
Speaker 5: of the line in those spaces for a while was like, okay,
Speaker 5: it's not literally true, but you know it opened our
Speaker 5: eyes and got us ready to see the truth or whatever. Yeah,
Speaker 5: so a lot of these people have spilled over into
Speaker 5: like your local GOP office or school board.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 5: Some of them like went through the broken windows at
Speaker 5: the US Capitol building and right, you know, went to
Speaker 5: jail for that. And so the movement evolved. I don't
Speaker 5: think it ever really died. That study that I shared
Speaker 5: from NewsGuard sort of redid this methodology that I didn't
Speaker 5: think it was twenty twenty two or twenty twenty one,
Speaker 5: where I was looking at some of the catchphrases that
Speaker 5: you used to think about as like, you know, there's
Speaker 5: the flag that says I'm a queue head where we
Speaker 5: go on, we go all right, trust the plan or
Speaker 5: whatever it may be storm Yeah, and those were kind
Speaker 5: of rolling off when I did that study, and to
Speaker 5: see that come back up, I thought was sort of interesting.
Speaker 5: I think it's definitely an incomplete picture of sort of
Speaker 5: what has happened in that movement more broadly, but it'll
Speaker 5: be interesting to see, if you know, with this campaign
Speaker 5: kicking back up, if we do see sort of a
Speaker 5: return to form for some people, if they're like okay, well,
Speaker 5: you know, they're looking around and they're like Okay, we
Speaker 5: played the you know, LGBTQ people are demons thing, What
Speaker 5: other greatest hits do we have have?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 6: You know?
Speaker 5: I mean they might they might pull this back out
Speaker 5: the songbook. We don't know yet, but yeah, it's interesting.
Speaker 1: The core belief of the Q stuff is that we're
Speaker 1: all pedophiles, right, Like, isn't that like one of the
Speaker 1: main ones, is any you jack, It's just me particularly
Speaker 1: They do have some pretty uh detailed stuff. No, but
Speaker 1: I guess that's one. Like there's this a New Yorker
Speaker 1: article that we talked about a couple of weeks back
Speaker 1: that is about this idea of misinformation and kind of
Speaker 1: puts forward this idea that like some of the misinformation,
Speaker 1: like some of the c stuff, is people like not
Speaker 1: literally believing it, Like you just said, it's not that
Speaker 1: they literally believe it. It's more that they believe it
Speaker 1: in the way that like a Catholic person believes that
Speaker 1: the bread of the communion is like actually the body
Speaker 1: of Jesus. But like they don't expect blood to start
Speaker 1: like running down their mouth when they like put it,
Speaker 1: you know, when they bite into it.
Speaker 5: They Yeah, I think that's the perfect way to put it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, they just believe it as a you know,
Speaker 1: the way a religious person does. And in those cases,
Speaker 1: the more outlandish the belief, like that this is where
Speaker 1: like speaking in tongues comes from right, like in certain
Speaker 1: Christian faiths, it's like the more outlandish and wild you
Speaker 1: can go with, like the thing that you're saying you
Speaker 1: believe even though you don't technically like adopt it as
Speaker 1: part of your reality and like physically interact with it.
Speaker 1: The more outlandish, the like more people are like, wow,
Speaker 1: that person's like going hard, you know, like that like
Speaker 1: you get they're going hard for Q. Yeah, yeah, they're
Speaker 1: going hard for Q. But then like it does I
Speaker 1: keep waiting, Like once I found out, Okay, there's this
Speaker 1: cult that likes a lot of their beliefs. When you
Speaker 1: like pull out the like selected readings of like Q
Speaker 1: drops and then like the things that people are writing
Speaker 1: about Q would suggest that they think they're at war
Speaker 1: with like Satan and like people who are like worshiping
Speaker 1: the devil and like want to kill their kids and
Speaker 1: drink their like vi adrenochrome. And so I'm always like
Speaker 1: whenever there's like a mass shooting or like something of
Speaker 1: that nature, I'm always like, well, this has to be cute,
Speaker 1: Like it feels like the sort of thing that if
Speaker 1: people actually believe that, we'd be seeing a lot more
Speaker 1: horrifying violence in response than we are actually seeing. So
Speaker 1: I guess that makes me wonder like where Q actually
Speaker 1: falls on that spectrum, Like is it something that people
Speaker 1: are just like this is like a fun thing that
Speaker 1: I talk to with my other weird friends. We hate
Speaker 1: Joe Biden and this is a fun way to like
Speaker 1: channel that hatred, and we like think Trump is funny
Speaker 1: and that's this is a fun way for us to
Speaker 1: channel that or is it something that's like And I
Speaker 1: don't expect anybody to have the answer on this, but
Speaker 1: I do think it's an interesting conversation as to like
Speaker 1: whether you know Q is going to rise to that
Speaker 1: level of being a justification for really horrifying.
Speaker 4: Violence, like you're saying like juxtaposing that with like great
Speaker 4: replacement theory or something right where people truly adopt that
Speaker 4: as an ideology.
Speaker 5: And I mean, I guess I should point out that,
Speaker 5: like we have politicians spreading stuff like great replacement like
Speaker 5: you just mentioned Miles, but as horrifying as they are,
Speaker 5: like mass shootings are not happening because of it every day, right,
Speaker 5: And the same thing with quan On. There have been
Speaker 5: instances of like really nightmarish violence. I remember a few
Speaker 5: years ago this I think it was a surf instructor
Speaker 5: in California like took his kids down to Mexico and
Speaker 5: just slaughtered them because he thought they were like lizard
Speaker 5: people or something. Right, So it definitely can't do that.
Speaker 5: But that's something I also kind of get to in
Speaker 5: the piece that I wrote with my colleague Lucy, which is,
Speaker 5: you know, trying to encourage you know, writing kind of
Speaker 5: directly to news audience here, trying to encourage like more
Speaker 5: open thinking about the role that conspiracy theories have in
Speaker 5: people's lives. You know, they, like any other form of media,
Speaker 5: they offer all kinds of non material things to people,
Speaker 5: you know, and it's not just like pure information that
Speaker 5: must be deepunked. It's also like an expression for the
Speaker 5: people that believe it of like identity and philosophy and
Speaker 5: meaning and like these more abstract kind of like front
Speaker 5: brain kind of stuff that that no like well, actually
Speaker 5: the the New York Times said that was false, and
Speaker 5: then people are.
Speaker 1: Like what what Okay? Each of the things that you
Speaker 1: just cited in that paragraph got more than three pinocchios
Speaker 1: from the fact checkers of the world. What shit, you're
Speaker 1: averaging four pinocchios, my good man.
Speaker 5: So yeah, So it's you know, I think trying to
Speaker 5: think a little bit more openly about like what theories
Speaker 5: like that can mean to people. To some people, they
Speaker 5: can be very literal to people, especially people who are having,
Speaker 5: you know, some sort of mental crisis, or have inclinations
Speaker 5: towards violence, or you know, other dire sort of personal situations.
Speaker 5: They can be justifications for really terrible things right to
Speaker 5: a lot of people. They can be entertainment to some people.
Speaker 5: It can be like a quasi religion. It can mean
Speaker 5: a lot of different things to a lot of different people.
Speaker 5: And the point that I was trying to make in
Speaker 5: the article is it's worth thinking about those kind of
Speaker 5: implications or like what that might mean beyond just like
Speaker 5: what a lot of coverage of conspiracy theories and big
Speaker 5: publications tends to look like, which is they're saying, Taylor
Speaker 5: Swift is gonna, you know, get a sniper rifle and
Speaker 5: shoot the ball and deflate it, and then the Super
Speaker 5: Bowl is going to be realined or yeah, whatever you know,
Speaker 5: and then being like damn that got a lot of clicks.
Speaker 5: Is there a lot of Americans that think this is true?
Speaker 5: And it's like, but that's not like what.
Speaker 1: You're linking off to it in your massive news publication
Speaker 1: by the way, like yeah, we the stupidity of other people,
Speaker 1: like in the abstract is like a myth that I
Speaker 1: feel like we want to believe in as Americans, Like
Speaker 1: we want to believe that if you can tell people that,
Speaker 1: like a big group of people is believing something that
Speaker 1: like seems incomprehensibly like almost unbelievably stupid, Like they they're
Speaker 1: going to eat that up. They they love to believe that.
Speaker 1: It's just generally when you talk to those people, not.
Speaker 5: True that they actually Yeah, I mean I've talked to
Speaker 5: like especially when I was doing more like on the
Speaker 5: ground reporting stuff. I would just go to like QAnon
Speaker 5: events and talk to these people and these a lot
Speaker 5: of I mean some of them, we're not the you know,
Speaker 5: sharpest tools and the ship, but right, a lot of them,
Speaker 5: most of them, I would even say, we're perfectly smart people,
Speaker 5: but had like their intelligence had taken them into like
Speaker 5: nonsense land. So it was a perfectly rational belief in
Speaker 5: things that were laughably untrue, if that makes sense.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean there's a study about people who are
Speaker 1: being deprogrammed from cults. When you like give people IQ
Speaker 1: tests who have been in cults, like, they score on
Speaker 1: average higher than the rest of the population, because the
Speaker 1: theory goes that they're able to bend their mind around
Speaker 1: and like construct more complex counter arguments for more comprehensive
Speaker 1: and bizarre systems of belief. Like basically, they would make
Speaker 1: good lawyers because they're intelligent, and being a good lawyer
Speaker 1: means you can construct a good defense of like anything
Speaker 1: in your mind. This kind is that's kind of how
Speaker 1: I've always thought about that factor, like made sense of
Speaker 1: effect that people and cults tend to be smarter on
Speaker 1: average than the average person.
Speaker 4: But yeah, I mean, that's that's one of the reasons
Speaker 4: my golf game suffered. Like I was telling you, I
Speaker 4: took one little trip down to Havana, I started hearing
Speaker 4: some weird stuff. Man, ever since keeps slicing.
Speaker 1: That's one that's one that like I don't think people
Speaker 1: would technically think of it as a conspiracy theory because
Speaker 1: it's coming from like openly coming from sixty minutes and like,
Speaker 1: you know, the Department of I guess it's less and
Speaker 1: less coming from but like I guess former Defense Department officials.
Speaker 5: But of the Havana syndrome, Savanna syndrome. It's like you
Speaker 5: got a tummy ache. Yeah, yeah, and my.
Speaker 4: Ears are ringing and my memory's bad. I'm seventy three.
Speaker 1: When when I'm.
Speaker 5: Seventy three and I drink an entire bottle of whiskey
Speaker 5: last night, and I woke up and I feel.
Speaker 1: Terrible to make the voices stopped from all the people
Speaker 1: that I've had a hand in helping the US Army
Speaker 1: kills maybe or maybe not. I don't know.
Speaker 4: It's fine working at the CIA. I don't think that had.
Speaker 1: Anything to do with my mental stretch man. But yeah,
Speaker 1: when it's going from the US military to Cuba, I
Speaker 1: feel like that power and balance worries me a little bit.
Speaker 1: Like right, that feels like a bad balance overall. But
Speaker 1: let's take a quick break and we'll come back and
Speaker 1: talk a little bit more about maybe some of the
Speaker 1: ones that you're most worried about and others that people
Speaker 1: can maybe not worry about as much. We'll be right
Speaker 1: back and we're back. We're back, And so we talked
Speaker 1: about how Chad GPT's new assistant was being sold on
Speaker 1: being flirty, like that was what they talked about at first.
Speaker 1: They were like, yeah, it's like kind of flirty and
Speaker 1: fun and like we'll just it'll be like having a
Speaker 1: real assistant. And then came out and people were like
Speaker 1: this sounds like Scarlett Johansson. No, And then fucking Sam
Speaker 1: Altman just tweeted the word her like he has like
Speaker 1: a liar liar curse or something. He just like couldn't
Speaker 1: help himself. He was like her, Yes, it's her. And
Speaker 1: so now the story continues to evolve in net now
Speaker 1: they're basically getting in trouble for it. Yeah, I think.
Speaker 11: So.
Speaker 4: Scarlett Johansson released a statement and it basically outlines kind
Speaker 4: of like what her interactions were with Sam Altman and
Speaker 4: open Ai, and she says that Altman first reached out
Speaker 4: to her in September about potentially voicing Sky because he
Speaker 4: believed it would quote breach the gap between tech companies
Speaker 4: and creatives and something about her voice being like a
Speaker 4: comfort to users like that would just kind of help
Speaker 4: people transition into this apocalyptic technology or they want you
Speaker 4: to believe as apocalyptic anyway, So she declined. She was like, yeah,
Speaker 4: let me think about that. It's a no for me. Dog,
Speaker 4: she was like, And.
Speaker 1: Then so I worked on the film, so I actually
Speaker 1: had to watch it all the way to the end,
Speaker 1: so I know what happened in the movie. I hers
Speaker 1: like thirty minutes, which is apparently all that you've seen, right,
Speaker 1: And I don't want to tell a user that I'm
Speaker 1: also having simultaneous conversations with eight thousand other people or whatever.
Speaker 4: That line was in the Yeah, that shit was dope.
Speaker 4: But then so she did so she declined, And then
Speaker 4: two days before the chat GPT demo came out, with
Speaker 4: the sky demo came out, Altman reached out again, asking
Speaker 4: her to please reconsider.
Speaker 1: Two days before yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: Exactly, someone probably remind him like, ah, you may want
Speaker 4: to fucking circle back with scarlet Man because anyway.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he had his AI legal team, akay, just a
Speaker 1: real legal team look through his interactions and they were like,
Speaker 1: we're fucked here, Sam.
Speaker 4: You asked her, dude, Yeah, there's like a paper trail,
Speaker 4: And before she could say fuck off, dweeb, the company
Speaker 4: went ahead and released the demo. And despite the fact
Speaker 4: that like you said this motherfucker literally tweeted her h
Speaker 4: e R when the demo was released. He just said,
Speaker 4: this is a bad mix up quote. We believe that
Speaker 4: AI voices should not deliberately mimic a celebrity's distinctive voice.
Speaker 4: Sky's voice is not an imitation of Scarlett Johansson, but
Speaker 4: belongs to a different professional actress using her own natural
Speaker 4: speaking voice. We cast the voice actor behind Sky's voice
Speaker 4: before any.
Speaker 1: Outreach to mister w Wow.
Speaker 4: Out of respect for her, we have persu Out of
Speaker 4: respective for her, we have paused using Sky's voice in
Speaker 4: our products. We are sorry to miss jo Hansson that
Speaker 4: we didn't communicate better.
Speaker 1: That is real.
Speaker 6: Do they really think she wasn't gonna lawyer up?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 6: How did they not think that?
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 4: I think it speaks to an arrogance of these people
Speaker 4: generally that like even when they they think that, like
Speaker 4: they don't realize how eerie their technology is. And like Scarlet,
Speaker 4: like we really think, like you can help usher, Like
Speaker 4: they're like, dude, no.
Speaker 1: So we'll reach out Scarlett. She'll be like, yeah, oh
Speaker 1: my god, it's so cool. Would love to be involved,
Speaker 1: and yeah.
Speaker 4: There was just a massive strike of writers and actors
Speaker 4: that were all about being like yo fuck ai. Yeah,
Speaker 4: so we want to ask her to be her mmm okay.
Speaker 4: But basically it seemed that like once her lawyers she
Speaker 4: lawyered up when she saw this, and once her lawyers
Speaker 4: asked their like, we'd like a step by step explanation
Speaker 4: as to how the voice of Sky was even made
Speaker 4: open air. I was like, it's all good man, taking
Speaker 4: it down.
Speaker 1: It's actually cool. We actually don't need to give you
Speaker 1: that because we're gonna take it down because are like
Speaker 1: we just the thing we hate is a miscommunication. So
Speaker 1: that's why we're taking it down. It has nothing to
Speaker 1: do with like how we came about that and whether
Speaker 1: we had microphones placed around her house to hear how
Speaker 1: she says various or.
Speaker 4: Just fetted a bunch of movies right and trained it
Speaker 4: on like a bunch of lines of dialogue or whatever.
Speaker 1: And that's the thing.
Speaker 4: It's like, because these companies are already facing huge lawsuits
Speaker 4: from like news outlets and other like writers and things
Speaker 4: because these models are trained on other people's fucking work.
Speaker 4: So I don't think it's too much of a stretch
Speaker 4: to think that maybe Scarlet's voice may have actually been
Speaker 4: involved with this like development of the sky voice. Also
Speaker 4: fucking sky Scarlet, Like there's just.
Speaker 1: Sky is anywhere her character goes at the end of
Speaker 1: the movie. Okay, I'm just saying, connects the fucking dots smiles.
Speaker 4: Or actually her name is Skylight. Oh, it's nothing to
Speaker 4: do with Scarlet. It's a sky that's.
Speaker 1: Where he came up. Wait, God, just sounds like an
Speaker 1: Australian person saying Scarlet, shut the fun.
Speaker 4: Scarlett scar Stanson Skylight jokes dancing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the full name of her. It has nothing
Speaker 1: to do with the movie or that.
Speaker 4: But yeah, I think what's even wilder, though, is recently
Speaker 4: Sam Altman gave his interview where he was asked to
Speaker 4: predict the future in regards to fucking AI and just
Speaker 4: listen to his answers.
Speaker 1: He's got some like this guy can like see the
Speaker 1: future in like new dimensions. I didn't even like, can't
Speaker 1: even think about it's crazy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So he's being asked by this guy. He's saying, hey, man,
Speaker 4: so like where do you see, like what jobs do
Speaker 4: you see becoming like actually in demand because of AI
Speaker 4: and This is his very fucking groundbreaking answer.
Speaker 12: That's a great question and I don't think I've ever
Speaker 12: gotten it before. Its people always ask like what job
Speaker 12: is going to go away? The new one is a
Speaker 12: more interesting question. Let me think for a second. I
Speaker 12: mean that there's like a lot of things that I
Speaker 12: could talk about that I think are sort of less interesting.
Speaker 1: Or like such a bullshit behind.
Speaker 8: Try and answer like from the areas of killing time
Speaker 8: people do or fifty million people do. Get to the
Speaker 8: answer for the broad category of new kinds of art
Speaker 8: entertainment sort of more like human to human connection. I
Speaker 8: don't know what that job title is going.
Speaker 13: To be, but I think friendship and I don't know
Speaker 13: if this like we get there in five but I
Speaker 13: think there's going to be a premium on like human
Speaker 13: in person like fantastic experiences.
Speaker 1: I don't know what we'll call that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we'll call that fucking concert.
Speaker 6: Event Disneyland.
Speaker 1: What going I think there's gonna be like I don't know,
Speaker 1: like really cool thing like premium on like people like
Speaker 1: sitting around a table and like consuming food together or something,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like it's just like really
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's like I'm trying to think like
Speaker 1: one hundred million, fifty million. That's it. Like, listen to
Speaker 1: any like tech person like that. They're great at They
Speaker 1: will compliment the shit out of the interviewer, and then
Speaker 1: they'll also just like throw out massive numbers at various points.
Speaker 1: I'm not I don't want to like talk about the
Speaker 1: ones that are going to be like small. I want
Speaker 1: to talk about the ones one hundred three hundred million.
Speaker 1: Get those out of the way. Yeah.
Speaker 6: His answer reminds me of like back in the world
Speaker 6: of voting, like four years ago or five years ago.
Speaker 6: That's like election cycle, everyone was talking about relational voting,
Speaker 6: and all relational voting is is like when one person
Speaker 6: talks to their friends about voting and encourages them to vote.
Speaker 6: But it became as like breakthrough cutting edge for you
Speaker 6: relational organizing, right, I.
Speaker 4: Mean, that's that's a really I mean, it's a brilliant
Speaker 4: page to take out of these grifters in Silicon Valley
Speaker 4: because there is so many things of just pivoting and
Speaker 4: describing something that exists in like these new fantastic terms,
Speaker 4: and you're like, oh my god, dude, did you hear
Speaker 4: what Altman said? Premium in person fantastic ex that's when
Speaker 4: you're like, dude, you're cooked man, if you're if your
Speaker 4: brain is boomeranging back to just regular life as you
Speaker 4: look into your AI future.
Speaker 1: U that's that's right, Like, how is AI connected? I
Speaker 1: think that's true. I think people will in the future
Speaker 1: put more of a premium on being together in person.
Speaker 1: What the fuck does that have to do with AI whatsoever?
Speaker 4: Like the AI will make the experience premium.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, premium in person fantastic experiences where you're like
Speaker 1: premium and just like so like so so authentic, but
Speaker 1: like so yeah, you know, experiential. I want to look
Speaker 1: like I'm not I'm not even looking at like ten
Speaker 1: years from now. I'm looking like thirty like fifth, like
Speaker 1: ten centuries from now. Yeah, okay, And that's and that's
Speaker 1: what I see right now. People are people are just
Speaker 1: gonna be yearning for it, you know, and after you know,
Speaker 1: this will be after the inevitable resource wars and we're
Speaker 1: trying to figure out when I own all the water,
Speaker 1: so you'll actually get into whatever the fuck I tell
Speaker 1: you to be into. Yeah, the uh is I was
Speaker 1: just like kind of seeing what they were saying on
Speaker 1: the open A. I read it and like, first there
Speaker 1: is one person who just quote tweeting. He was like
Speaker 1: a thing that I think a lot of people are missing,
Speaker 1: and then like just quoted the thing where he's like,
Speaker 1: you know, we got a totally different actress who is
Speaker 1: her own voice, and people are uh huh, but do we.
Speaker 6: Have the audio for the voices?
Speaker 1: No, I was trying to find it this morning. Have
Speaker 1: you been able to find that? Which one like the
Speaker 1: Scott Sky's voice sounds like, oh yeah, I mean we
Speaker 1: think Sky's related to sky Rizzy, by the way.
Speaker 4: And why, hey dad, why do so many people like
Speaker 4: sky Rizzy?
Speaker 1: Why are so many? Why is sky Rizzy so popular?
Speaker 1: Is a question tas that my six year old asked
Speaker 1: may day.
Speaker 6: As long as he's not asking you about skibbity again.
Speaker 1: Skimbity toilet, he knows what that is.
Speaker 6: That was what we talked about last time I was
Speaker 6: on your show.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Jesus, let's see. Let me see if we can
Speaker 1: hear it here. Hey, Chtcht, how are you doing.
Speaker 6: I'm doing fantastic, Thanks for asking.
Speaker 1: How about you? Pretty good?
Speaker 11: What's up?
Speaker 1: So my friend Barrett here, he's been having trouble.
Speaker 4: He's got that rap you know what I mean, rasp
Speaker 4: to it, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Yeah, and just the overall energy is very similar.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, it's like a combination of the her voice
Speaker 1: and like a little bit of like Siri mix.
Speaker 6: Yeah, a little bit hyper, yeah.
Speaker 1: A little Yeah, it's the her voice on uppers, Like
Speaker 1: what if it was like a little more perky, what
Speaker 1: if it?
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, but still got that rasp to let people comforting.
Speaker 1: Also, a lot of a lot of fake legal experts
Speaker 1: in the subreter are like, well, it doesn't matter. You
Speaker 1: can't copyright a voice. So I just wish Scarla Johans
Speaker 1: would just shut up and stop being mean to Sam
Speaker 1: Altman And what is that even? Based on what logic?
Speaker 1: Is that copyright a voice? So I don't know what
Speaker 1: you're talking about. And somebody was like, actually, Bette Midler
Speaker 1: successfully sued the Ford Butter Company in nineteen eighty eight
Speaker 1: because very similar she was approached to sing in an
Speaker 1: ad for Ford, said no, Ford got an impersonator instead
Speaker 1: to sing a Bette Midler song in their ad. Gotcha
Speaker 1: fucking audacity? Amazing? Yeah, Yeah, we keep trying, so we'll see.
Speaker 1: But it is pretty funny that they are this fucking stupid.
Speaker 1: And finally, I want to talk about Jesse Waters. This
Speaker 1: seems to be the rhythm of his show over and
Speaker 1: over again, where he like brings somebody on his show,
Speaker 1: mocks them and immediately gets owned by the guest right right.
Speaker 4: Or he It's usually usual foxing where they think they've
Speaker 4: booked someone who is not intelligent but then actually knows
Speaker 4: how to speak very well and just dunks on him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. It feels like his show is structured
Speaker 1: like the toll Booth Willie skit on that Adam Sandler album,
Speaker 1: where like different people just come in and politely tell
Speaker 1: him to go fuck himself, and he's just like fuck
Speaker 1: you with a smile. But yeah, in this case, videos
Speaker 1: of rage rituals in which women go to the woods
Speaker 1: and smash things are like, sholl how.
Speaker 6: Have I as a woman not known about this?
Speaker 1: Well, you're not You're not on TikTok enough clearently, because
Speaker 1: that's where they're apply this is.
Speaker 6: What I have to do on camping.
Speaker 1: Also, it costs two thousand to four thousand dollars.
Speaker 4: These things, like I get the catharsis of screaming and
Speaker 4: getting your frustration on a very physical way. But to
Speaker 4: charge people two to two grand to do that.
Speaker 6: Feels a look yeah, where does the money go?
Speaker 1: The wellness industry is wild, but.
Speaker 6: One day option is two hundred and twenty two dollars.
Speaker 6: What I'm in the wrong industry?
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, seriously, Yeah, get off. These writers' groups
Speaker 4: start doing rage outs with creatives. Wow, we go to
Speaker 4: the woods and we throw rocks into a stream, and
Speaker 4: it's like three grand?
Speaker 6: Can you pay me?
Speaker 1: That's it? But Jessee Waters, you could probably predict his objection,
Speaker 1: which is like, what are women so angry about? What
Speaker 1: are they mad at? Are they mad at me? Yeah?
Speaker 1: They're probably mad at me? Right, So he dedicated a
Speaker 1: segment on his show to this trend, asking why are
Speaker 1: women so mad these days? Gee? How much time do
Speaker 1: you have? Asshole? He said, women are very upset. Why mystery?
Speaker 1: Probably something we did, And then he proceeded to condescendingly
Speaker 1: interview the self proclaimed which Mia Magic, who runs the retreats.
Speaker 1: But she was like, hey, I actually read your shitty
Speaker 1: book over the week I mean, you shouldn't say shitty.
Speaker 1: She was like, I read your book over the weekend. Man, Like,
Speaker 1: so I know you a little bit. So when he
Speaker 1: balked at the suggestion that men should be more emotionally
Speaker 1: available and vulnerable, Magic countered you got a divorce, Jesse. Right,
Speaker 1: I'm sure you had a couple of nights where you
Speaker 1: were sad and where you felt lonely. You know, I
Speaker 1: think that everyone needs to feel comfortable to feel which.
Speaker 4: Yeah, should just play the quote because he's really being
Speaker 4: a smug prick and then.
Speaker 1: Just the chest pass right back is like your divorced, right,
Speaker 1: said guy. You know you're not saying so you're a
Speaker 1: lot really fast.
Speaker 4: So we have to write this down.
Speaker 7: You said, listening, holding, listening, nurturing.
Speaker 1: There things women should expect from.
Speaker 2: Men, bringing nature, going out into nature, great because nature.
Speaker 7: Okay, listening, listening to them, holding them, taking them on, watching.
Speaker 1: This is the first time he's ever heard, am I
Speaker 1: missing anything?
Speaker 2: Asking them what they need for support, asking them for.
Speaker 4: He's like he's taking a fucking order, like someone's bizarre
Speaker 4: order at a restaurant. Okay, so you want to taking
Speaker 4: someone to hear your needs?
Speaker 1: Okay, I never heard that one before.
Speaker 7: All right, go on, Jesse, Okay, these are this is
Speaker 7: this is being vulnerable, being vulnerable I think men, I'll.
Speaker 1: A deal killer.
Speaker 2: You got divorced, Jesse, Right, I'm sure you had a
Speaker 2: couple of nights where you were sad and where you
Speaker 2: felt lonely.
Speaker 6: You know, everyone the.
Speaker 7: Most vulnerable manet, But we have to go.
Speaker 1: You're a good with o weird, we have to go.
Speaker 6: Okay.
Speaker 1: Then he said, you're no, we gotta go because you're
Speaker 1: a good witch. Wow. Yeah, but yeah, it's he's like,
Speaker 1: I'm the most vulnerable. How do I get me out
Speaker 1: of this moment as fast as possible? God?
Speaker 4: You know he fucking like when they were like rapped recording,
Speaker 4: he went to his like fucking dressing room and just
Speaker 4: like looking in the mirror with like tears in his eyes.
Speaker 4: Just smile never but justus his veneers cracked through the
Speaker 4: sheer tension in his job.
Speaker 1: You're good, you're smiling.
Speaker 4: Oh man me and magic though two to four grand like.
Speaker 1: Him always repeating this same ritual like he's got He's
Speaker 1: probably has like a humiliation thing, right, Oh for sure.
Speaker 1: I feel like he was maybe trying not to like
Speaker 1: have an orgasm during during that part where she was
Speaker 1: humiliating him. Just yeah, okay, there's.
Speaker 4: So many if you just search Jesse Waters humiliated. It's
Speaker 4: like there's like so many things, like whether it's like
Speaker 4: his mom or other guests whoever come on. There's always
Speaker 4: like something and he's like, alight, thank you, okay, mom,
Speaker 4: good good to know.
Speaker 6: I wonder what his wife is thinking watching this.
Speaker 4: His ex his ex, his ex wife, ex wife, that's right,
Speaker 4: ex wife.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know my wife anymore.
Speaker 4: Oh Jesus dude, Noel Waters. He married her in two
Speaker 4: thousand and nine, went ten years. Filed for divorce in
Speaker 4: twenty eighteen after Waters admitted to an affair with a
Speaker 4: producer on his show.
Speaker 1: On his show, yeah damn, Jesse.
Speaker 6: Damn have written it better.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean should have sent a poet.
Speaker 1: Wow. M vulnerable. Ye gotta get vulnerable with that.
Speaker 4: But you know, like in that instance, do you think
Speaker 4: he really even perceived that divorce as an l He's like, not,
Speaker 4: I found a better one. Of course I liked more
Speaker 4: than my wife, so I win and she's crying. Haha,
Speaker 4: Jesse undefeated.
Speaker 1: Like that was when he like doubled down into like
Speaker 1: his like I'm don draper type of thing right around
Speaker 1: that time. Yeah, huh interesting. Yeah, Oh he ended up
Speaker 1: marrying this produce. Oh he really did the switch. Wait,
Speaker 1: he admitted to an affair. She admitted to an affair.
Speaker 4: No, he admitted that like he had he had the affair,
Speaker 4: and now he is married to the person that he
Speaker 4: had the affair with. Oh, like he fully did the Tarzan.
Speaker 4: He's like, let me grab the next vine and let
Speaker 4: me let go of the other one.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Well he wrote all about it in his book.
Speaker 1: In no way self serv in no way self serving,
Speaker 1: one sided account of what happened there. I'm sure.
Speaker 4: I mean, you know what that book is called, How
Speaker 4: I Saved the World.
Speaker 6: By now he's not is it really? Oh my god?
Speaker 1: Oh boy you.
Speaker 4: And then he has another one, Get It Together, Troubling
Speaker 4: Tales from the Liberal fringe? Wow, get it Together?
Speaker 1: Which is weird?
Speaker 4: That is like, where's your son? Yeah? Do you think
Speaker 4: you talked about the divorce on Get It Together? Troubling
Speaker 4: Tales from the liberal fringe? Or How I Saved the World?
Speaker 4: Because either one, it's weird, like how I save the world.
Speaker 4: I've been cheating on my wife and marrying this associate
Speaker 4: producer and now having my kids question what their family
Speaker 4: life is about. Whatever doesne matter?
Speaker 1: I'm we're good.
Speaker 5: We're good, We're good.
Speaker 1: All Right. That's gonna do it for this week's weekly Zeitgeist.
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