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Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to this episode of The

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Speaker 1: Weekly Zeitgeist.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 1: These are some of our favorite segments from this week,

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Speaker 1: all edited together into one NonStop infotainment laugh stravaganza. Uh yeah, So,

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Speaker 1: without further ado, here is the Weekly Zeitgeist. Miles. We

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Speaker 1: are thrilled to be joined by today's special expert guest.

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Speaker 1: He's a senior researcher of US hate and extremist movements

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Speaker 1: at the Institute for Strategic Dialogue. To quote Samuel L. Jackson,

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Speaker 1: holt Onto your butts. Oh, it's the return of Hulta Mania.

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Speaker 1: The Holtster is in the house, So Holtster your weapons.

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Speaker 3: It's Jerry, Jerry, Jerry hold holds.

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Speaker 1: Good to be here.

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Speaker 4: Hold on, we're not done.

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Speaker 1: I feel like I was off there. Give me one second.

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Speaker 1: That's good man, oh man, God help.

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Speaker 5: Things are good. It's hard to complain too much. It's

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Speaker 5: it's warm in Chicago again, so it's it's nice to

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Speaker 5: go outside and see things start to grow and uh

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Speaker 5: walk my dog along the lake front, which he is

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Speaker 5: crazy about. But yeah, it's been good.

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Speaker 1: Thanks. What do you mean like that?

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Speaker 4: Like that like he's rabid. So when he sees his

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Speaker 4: bodies of water rubbed away. Yeah, just are just loving

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Speaker 4: and generally just excited by the year.

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Speaker 1: Bas he loving it.

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Speaker 5: Oh, he he goes crazy. He loves to smell all

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Speaker 5: the weird stuff that washes up on the shore of

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Speaker 5: Lake Michigan, which a lot of stuff washes up there,

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Speaker 5: like kinds of fish you wouldn't.

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Speaker 1: Expect, Like that's probably a good sign.

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Speaker 5: Like there's a lot of like crab looking things that

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Speaker 5: wash up. And maybe I'm just showing my own ignorance

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Speaker 5: over bodies of water, which I.

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Speaker 1: Will fully right right too.

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Speaker 5: But but but yeah, he just goes crazy. He runs

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Speaker 5: some circles, goes nuts for like ten minutes, and then

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Speaker 5: my wife and I.

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Speaker 1: Usually carry him the rest of the way. But he loves.

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Speaker 4: Ith wow like that like that metaphor or that story

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Speaker 4: about christ.

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Speaker 1: On the beach carrying him. Yeah, do you make him

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Speaker 1: look back at his footsteps and tell him with me

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Speaker 1: and me and mom?

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Speaker 4: Oh man, I'm glad you're here because the Donald Trump

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Speaker 4: and race speech drifted into Q town and I was like, oh,

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Speaker 4: we're still playing that music again, So I'm glad you're

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Speaker 4: here to.

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Speaker 1: Be definitely on a bit of a Q tip on

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Speaker 1: that one.

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Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, when he could have been on a camal

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Speaker 4: the abstract sort of wave. That's a deep that's a

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Speaker 4: deep Q tip cut for all my drive call Q

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Speaker 4: West fans out there. Yeah, but I'm sure that was

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Speaker 4: that like getting people excited on the old Q internets.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, some of the Q andon influencers, which is such

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Speaker 5: a weird thing to say. Yeah, like the same way

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Speaker 5: we think of like, oh, I'm like a spirituality influencers literally,

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Speaker 5: just like Buddy, I've read a lot of posts and

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Speaker 5: you're in safe hands, don't work.

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Speaker 1: Those are my spiritual influencers.

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Speaker 5: Yeah right right, yeah, yeah, some of them that I

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Speaker 5: still like kind of keep an eye on from the

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Speaker 5: Q and on heyday, we're like, oh, it's this music again.

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Speaker 5: And it's interesting to see this make the rounds because

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Speaker 5: during the twenty twenty campaign, you know, at Trump rallies,

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Speaker 5: this music would play and all the QUE people would

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Speaker 5: get like really pumped up about it because it's the

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Speaker 5: song by you know, it's uploaded on I think it's

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Speaker 5: SoundCloud or a YouTube channel or something by somebody who

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Speaker 5: is just like straight up Q pilled and or appears

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Speaker 5: to be I guess I should say and so they've

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Speaker 5: always been like, look, this is this is for us,

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Speaker 5: this is is our music, this is our anthem in

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Speaker 5: the truck where US by Canada campaign has just been

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Speaker 5: adamant about like, no, it's just a song. And then

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Speaker 5: reporters are like, well, how'd you find the song? And

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Speaker 5: they're like and the next question, you know, and uh,

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Speaker 5: for all the flak they got for using that song

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Speaker 5: four years ago, it's definitely I mean, this was like

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Speaker 5: somebody's conscious choice was like, we're gonna play this song again.

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Speaker 1: Right, yeah, Oh, and he's gonna pause for thirty seconds.

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Speaker 1: So just like, let that shit cook that ship. Let

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Speaker 1: everyone based.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and Mari and Natean, well, yeah, I'm glad you're

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Speaker 4: here because I'm I have many questions about that and

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Speaker 4: generally what we're looking at this fall, you know, like.

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Speaker 1: Wears Coast off of the vibes of people who were

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Speaker 1: in Chicago during summer because they have to like trudge

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Speaker 1: through like Andy Duframe crawling through shit to freedom. Chicagoans

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Speaker 1: need to trudge through eight months pure shit to get

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Speaker 1: to really like one of the best places to be

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Speaker 1: during summer months, spring and summer months and like in

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Speaker 1: the world. Yeah, yeah, Chicago in the summer is like

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Speaker 1: my favorite place on earth. Yeah, it's really great. Yeah. Wow,

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Speaker 1: now I must go. Have you been, Jack Sureley, you've gone?

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Speaker 1: You said I've never been. I just you know, I've

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Speaker 1: seen Ferris Bueller and I saw She'll Tight Boys the summer.

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Speaker 1: What is something from your search history? Okay?

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Speaker 6: I got on the Bridgerton bandwagon. I googled did banks

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Speaker 4: Because talking about the one sister who's rocking the.

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Speaker 6: Bank and that one sister has like the really long banks,

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Speaker 6: and I was like, this looks like a ninety you know,

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Speaker 6: like a twenty twenty bank. Yeah, So then I googled,

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Speaker 6: and then then I went down this like rabbit hole

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Speaker 6: of learning about hair during the regency era, right, So

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Speaker 6: I guess they did have bangs.

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Speaker 1: Oh they did.

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Speaker 6: I just I just didn't believe it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, there are some paintings. They're just like, not

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Speaker 1: the famous one. But what was her name?

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Speaker 1: Eloise? Who got the banks?

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Speaker 6: Well, like this that one sister had like really long banks,

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Speaker 6: and I was like, because the first one in season

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Speaker 6: one she had that short, weird short like Audrey Hepburn

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Speaker 4: Uh huh yeah, Eloise Elois got yeah, Wilans Yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 6: It was like did they have banks?

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Speaker 4: When did bangs start?

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Speaker 1: I don't know that's research. Is that something you can google?

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Speaker 1: When did the When did bangs start? I'm looking up

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Speaker 1: Portrait de la trie Jean Samari by Renoir. It's a

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Speaker 1: portrait painted in eighteen seventy seven and she's working with banks.

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Speaker 1: She looks great. Banks by the way.

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Speaker 6: Oh yeah, girls always get banks and they like break

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Speaker 6: up with guys. So I feel like.

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Speaker 8: Yeah forever, Yeah, I gotta gotta try the bang out.

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Speaker 1: Also, there's so I mean, well Caesar, right, isn't the

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Speaker 1: Caesar a very banged male haircut in a way?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but it's like bangs bands over the front, that's all. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: it's a Caesar, all hands on deck to the front

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Speaker 1: This is this is an interesting page that's just like

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Speaker 1: ancient ages bangs, and it's got some like Egyptian Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: the Egyptians were rocking bangs fourteen nineties to the fifteen hundreds.

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Speaker 1: Bangs had a little bit of a moment of course,

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Speaker 1: was rocking bangs. R Bang's been around, total has been around.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I like though too. Though in my mind also,

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Speaker 4: I'm like the bank. It's so funny because we're looking

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Speaker 4: at that character. I'm watching this new season too, and

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Speaker 4: it feels like it's it's like a it's like a

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Speaker 4: wig bang, you know what I mean, like bangs, like

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Speaker 4: it's part of the hairpiece. So like, yeah, sometimes it

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Speaker 4: has like different like levels of body to it.

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Speaker 1: And I'm like, mister playing with these fake bangs. And

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Speaker 1: then I was like, where there is this allowed? Where

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Speaker 1: there I keep googling.

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Speaker 6: I've been actually this whole season just like well, like

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Speaker 6: the last season there was like an Indian character, so

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Speaker 6: it was like did people from India go to England?

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Speaker 6: And I was like, duh, of course we were calling

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Speaker 6: nice by them, so that makes sense right right. I

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Speaker 6: was googling. I don't know if you saw caught in

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Speaker 6: this last season, there was like a rotating band. The

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Speaker 6: band was rotating in the center of the dance floor,

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Speaker 6: you know, like a pedestal. Yeah, And I was like,

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Speaker 6: how did that happen?

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Speaker 1: Did they do that?

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Speaker 6: I don't know everything every episode I googled something.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, was there like a little mouse doing like powering

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Speaker 1: a wheel that was making it rotate?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, That's what I was wondering. I was like, they

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I mean that's the thing where like obviously

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Speaker 4: they take liberties, especially with like the race relations.

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Speaker 1: There were some Irish people underground, just like shoveling Cold Fellows. Yeah, exactly,

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Speaker 1: we need more power.

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Speaker 4: Did you watch Queen Charlotte though, That's like the closest

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Speaker 4: one where they they reckon with like the post racial

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Speaker 4: because every yeah Charlotte.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I was like googling her. Then I found like

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Speaker 6: all these old pictures of paintings of her and what

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Speaker 6: she was supposed to look like. And apparently she wasn't

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Speaker 6: as gorgeous as they make her out to be in

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Speaker 6: the real in this TV show.

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Speaker 1: And neither was King George.

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Speaker 3: No.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, that's whole the whole series. Have been googling a.

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Speaker 4: Lot, realizing like, maybe I'm not watching it for the

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Speaker 4: historical accuracy at all.

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Speaker 6: This is fiction. This is made.

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Speaker 4: I've got it.

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Speaker 1: Love it, love it, love it, love it. Look, what

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Speaker 1: is something you think is underrated? Underrated?

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Speaker 9: You know, maybe this is related. I didn't think about

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Speaker 9: it as related. I didn't think of my underrelated underrated

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Speaker 9: as related to my Google search. But I was like,

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Speaker 9: no one talks about the upside of dropping the ball

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Speaker 9: all it's m M like, I'm actually a very I'm

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Speaker 9: actually a personality that is not very like.

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Speaker 1: I don't drop the ball. Honestly, I don't know. So

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Speaker 1: you're a little type on middle type A.

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Speaker 9: But recently, just because of life, I've been dropping the

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Speaker 9: ball here and there, And at first I was feeling

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Speaker 9: really bad about it because every every external factor tells

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Speaker 9: you that you should feel like crap about it, and

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Speaker 9: as well, I should really feel really bad because what

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Speaker 9: what is my contribution If I'm not Karen, Everyone's goddamn balls.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, drop no ball lady. Yeah.

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Speaker 9: But it turns out that sometimes when you drop the ball,

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Speaker 9: like you don't get back to something, like you just

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Speaker 9: forget about things or you don't do summer camp on

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Speaker 9: time or whatever.

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Speaker 1: It's uh, look, get solved.

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Speaker 9: Like it's amazing you could drop balls and you just

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Speaker 9: get more efficient at solving them quickly.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I think the part of the ball dropping process is

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Speaker 4: also giving yourself, like the confidence in yourself that you

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Speaker 4: can address any kind of anomaloust thing that happens, any

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Speaker 4: deviation from your set out plan, any contingency, because like

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Speaker 4: I'm just thinking of like what my therapists are and

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Speaker 4: I can't drop the ball, And it's like, but don't

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Speaker 4: you trust yourself that even if the ball is dropped,

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Speaker 4: that you would be able to figure it out.

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Speaker 4: Well, what's worse a couple hundred people dying or my

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Speaker 1: Shout to the aviation maintenance technicians. Yeah, it's your day.

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Speaker 5: Generally conspiracy theories and sort of how prevalent they like

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Speaker 5: it doesn't mean that like people saying that the Illuminati

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So it's like there's a power imbalance that you

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so it's kind of conspiracy theories where yeah, we

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Speaker 1: Though, yeah too, right, like you know, yeah, just keep going.

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Speaker 5: But yeah, but like wouldn't it be crazy if then

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Speaker 4: Right, right, so I told you we don't have a

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Speaker 5: So I always think about like like power balances and

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Speaker 5: And maybe that's victims the wrong word, but like this is,

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Speaker 5: I think there's a lot of conspiracy theories that exist

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Speaker 1: because like at first it was this thing that like, yeah,

439
00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:40,080
Speaker 1: it might be tied to Q. And then he's started

440
00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:43,400
Speaker 1: just like playing it during his speeches like on purpose,

441
00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:46,399
Speaker 1: like in a like music would start swelling up in

442
00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:48,560
Speaker 1: a movie in a weird way. And like at first

443
00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:50,600
Speaker 1: that was like Jesus, what, like what is happening? This

444
00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:53,240
Speaker 1: is so strange? And now when he does it and

445
00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:55,399
Speaker 1: like stops for a minute to just like let the

446
00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:59,879
Speaker 1: music ride, We're just like uh huh. Like so, like

447
00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:04,680
Speaker 1: this feels like we have a presidential candidate who, if

448
00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:08,000
Speaker 1: the election was out tomorrow, would win or would be

449
00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:11,800
Speaker 1: very close to winning, who is embracing what is ostensibly

450
00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:15,960
Speaker 1: a cult with him as the figurehead. Is that one

451
00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:18,280
Speaker 1: of the ones that you feel like we need to

452
00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:21,320
Speaker 1: be worried about? And if so, why or why not?

453
00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:24,920
Speaker 5: I would say yes because of you know, again going

454
00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:27,879
Speaker 5: back to this question of power, there's few people in

455
00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:33,080
Speaker 5: the US that hold more you know sway and are

456
00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:35,720
Speaker 5: very close if not, you know, I mean, like you

457
00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:39,280
Speaker 5: pointed out, Trump very well could win this fall. It's

458
00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:42,280
Speaker 5: it's like very much in the cards. I tend to

459
00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:46,159
Speaker 5: think he probably will. I hope I'm wrong, But to

460
00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:51,480
Speaker 5: have that kind of level of power indulging conspiracy theory

461
00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:55,119
Speaker 5: like QAnon, which has driven you know, several individuals to

462
00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:59,480
Speaker 5: violence throughout the years. I think is worth caring about

463
00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:03,960
Speaker 5: because it's getting the blessing of somebody from a position

464
00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:07,840
Speaker 5: of high power, which means that, you know, if we

465
00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:11,439
Speaker 5: think of conspiracy theories like that, particularly some of the

466
00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:15,679
Speaker 5: more deranged ones like QAnon, that have potentially more grave

467
00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:19,360
Speaker 5: implications for the people that get caught up and targeted

468
00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:21,560
Speaker 5: by them, you know, if we think of that as

469
00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:25,560
Speaker 5: like a numbers game, then getting on stage with the

470
00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:29,280
Speaker 5: you know, potentially the next president. You know, it's hard

471
00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:34,080
Speaker 5: to think of a bigger, more consequential platform than that, right.

472
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Speaker 4: And what like you know, just kind of watching the

473
00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:41,200
Speaker 4: ebb and flow of Q and on, like obviously they

474
00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:46,000
Speaker 4: it's things subsided, as you know, the drops became less

475
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:49,119
Speaker 4: and less frequent and then like stopped completely. Then you

476
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Speaker 4: see sort of like it popping up. I just saw

477
00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:53,920
Speaker 4: an article that you shared about how like Q and

478
00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:57,120
Speaker 4: On references have been like just resurgent on like on

479
00:24:57,160 --> 00:25:00,320
Speaker 4: Twitter recently and looking at even like what Trump is doing.

480
00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:01,960
Speaker 4: Like in twenty twenty, I remember we were all like,

481
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:04,240
Speaker 4: oh shit, you're really doing this to try and like

482
00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:07,720
Speaker 4: get as many people behind you for this reelection push

483
00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:10,280
Speaker 4: as possible and like winking at the QAnon people have

484
00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:13,240
Speaker 4: been like, yeah, come on, y'all right, like here's my like,

485
00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:15,640
Speaker 4: come on down under this big tent and we can

486
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:19,520
Speaker 4: do it all together. Is it, like you know from

487
00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:22,160
Speaker 4: what you've seen, is QAnon still like at this level

488
00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:24,439
Speaker 4: where like this is sort of why Trump's doing this

489
00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:26,480
Speaker 4: again to be like all right, guys, like is it

490
00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:29,120
Speaker 4: or is it kind of like an Avengers assemble kind

491
00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:31,800
Speaker 4: of like bat signal to be like, hey, we need

492
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Speaker 4: to I need as many of the fucking freaks as

493
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Speaker 4: possible to sort of go all in on my reelection

494
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:41,080
Speaker 4: campaign because maybe I can then turn that into a

495
00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:45,120
Speaker 4: you know, potential January sixth type sequel.

496
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Speaker 1: Or is the only way give them because he can't

497
00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:49,640
Speaker 1: remember the phrasing, so like where we go, once, we go,

498
00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:54,240
Speaker 1: we go always, many are saying we go one time

499
00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:55,639
Speaker 1: of meta he's s.

500
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Speaker 5: Winking at him because he thinks they're kind of cute, you.

501
00:25:58,000 --> 00:25:59,720
Speaker 4: Know, Yeah, yeah, yeah, I.

502
00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:04,080
Speaker 5: Mean I think it generally kind of lines up with

503
00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:07,439
Speaker 5: both of the previous Trump campaigns and what is shaping

504
00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:10,679
Speaker 5: up to beat this one as well, which is, you know,

505
00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:14,160
Speaker 5: put on a show for the freaks and let them

506
00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:16,960
Speaker 5: kind of do the work of drumming up a larger

507
00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:20,880
Speaker 5: page base of support, right. You know, Trump has done

508
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:24,000
Speaker 5: this from the very start on immigration rhetoric, taking like

509
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:29,400
Speaker 5: much harder lines and sort of restrictionist positions than other

510
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:32,719
Speaker 5: GOP candidates in the field were at the time, and

511
00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:35,439
Speaker 5: still has some of the most extreme immigration policies that

512
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:39,760
Speaker 5: you know are floating around the GOP. So, you know,

513
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:45,800
Speaker 5: between just like dumbing back through the Trump campaign prior iterations,

514
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:49,719
Speaker 5: but the interviews with Alex Jones, the praising of like

515
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:54,720
Speaker 5: nutjobs like Ted Nugent, the getting dinner with the lives

516
00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:57,960
Speaker 5: of TikTok Lady. You know, it's like very much this

517
00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:04,480
Speaker 5: effort to cater too and sort of bring along anybody

518
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:08,359
Speaker 5: who is going to be ride or die for him.

519
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:13,040
Speaker 5: So I think his affinity for the QAnon people, I

520
00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:14,720
Speaker 5: don't think he's like deep in the weeds.

521
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:15,359
Speaker 1: I don't.

522
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:17,679
Speaker 5: I don't think he knows about like Q drops or

523
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:20,920
Speaker 5: you know, really like truly knows who any of these

524
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:21,480
Speaker 5: people are.

525
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:24,159
Speaker 1: But he don't know about q drops because he is

526
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:26,280
Speaker 1: q and doing the drops. Right, So, like he doesn't

527
00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:28,040
Speaker 1: even think about them as drops, right, is that.

528
00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:28,199
Speaker 11: What he.

529
00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:32,359
Speaker 1: To say, to say that he knows about him would

530
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:35,240
Speaker 1: be under your cellar, you know, you know what I

531
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:38,280
Speaker 1: mean he has Jared is waggling his eyebrows at me,

532
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:40,800
Speaker 1: just like, but.

533
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:45,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I think generally, you know, he he

534
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:49,120
Speaker 5: doesn't meet supporters that he doesn't like, and that's right,

535
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:51,879
Speaker 5: you know, tries to give him a little pat on

536
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:55,480
Speaker 5: the head and scratch to keep him going. In terms

537
00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:59,000
Speaker 5: of QAnon more broadly, it's certainly not what it used

538
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:02,320
Speaker 5: to be. When the stopped, right, you know, a lot

539
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:05,239
Speaker 5: of that energy went elsewhere. In twenty twenty, it was

540
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:09,720
Speaker 5: like starting to spill into anti vax stuff. It continued

541
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:13,600
Speaker 5: to spill there. A lot of it spilled into election

542
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 5: denihilism more broadly. So a lot of like diehard q

543
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:21,040
Speaker 5: people you know, kind of looked up and went, okay, well,

544
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:25,280
Speaker 5: maybe the president wasn't posting on eight chan for me

545
00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:28,439
Speaker 5: to read, but right right, you know, it's about the

546
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:31,760
Speaker 5: friends we made along the way, and you know, sort

547
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:35,639
Speaker 5: of the line in those spaces for a while was like, okay,

548
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:39,360
Speaker 5: it's not literally true, but you know it opened our

549
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:43,600
Speaker 5: eyes and got us ready to see the truth or whatever. Yeah,

550
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:45,560
Speaker 5: so a lot of these people have spilled over into

551
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:50,320
Speaker 5: like your local GOP office or school board.

552
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:50,560
Speaker 1: You know.

553
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:53,760
Speaker 5: Some of them like went through the broken windows at

554
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:56,960
Speaker 5: the US Capitol building and right, you know, went to

555
00:28:57,040 --> 00:29:01,880
Speaker 5: jail for that. And so the movement evolved. I don't

556
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:05,479
Speaker 5: think it ever really died. That study that I shared

557
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:09,920
Speaker 5: from NewsGuard sort of redid this methodology that I didn't

558
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:12,280
Speaker 5: think it was twenty twenty two or twenty twenty one,

559
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:15,400
Speaker 5: where I was looking at some of the catchphrases that

560
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:18,680
Speaker 5: you used to think about as like, you know, there's

561
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:22,240
Speaker 5: the flag that says I'm a queue head where we

562
00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 5: go on, we go all right, trust the plan or

563
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:28,560
Speaker 5: whatever it may be storm Yeah, and those were kind

564
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 5: of rolling off when I did that study, and to

565
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:35,000
Speaker 5: see that come back up, I thought was sort of interesting.

566
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:38,000
Speaker 5: I think it's definitely an incomplete picture of sort of

567
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:41,760
Speaker 5: what has happened in that movement more broadly, but it'll

568
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:44,440
Speaker 5: be interesting to see, if you know, with this campaign

569
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 5: kicking back up, if we do see sort of a

570
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:51,320
Speaker 5: return to form for some people, if they're like okay, well,

571
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:53,880
Speaker 5: you know, they're looking around and they're like Okay, we

572
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:58,120
Speaker 5: played the you know, LGBTQ people are demons thing, What

573
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:00,200
Speaker 5: other greatest hits do we have have?

574
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:00,760
Speaker 1: Right?

575
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 6: You know?

576
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:04,080
Speaker 5: I mean they might they might pull this back out

577
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:06,480
Speaker 5: the songbook. We don't know yet, but yeah, it's interesting.

578
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:09,400
Speaker 1: The core belief of the Q stuff is that we're

579
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:11,840
Speaker 1: all pedophiles, right, Like, isn't that like one of the

580
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:15,160
Speaker 1: main ones, is any you jack, It's just me particularly

581
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:18,760
Speaker 1: They do have some pretty uh detailed stuff. No, but

582
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:22,280
Speaker 1: I guess that's one. Like there's this a New Yorker

583
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:25,560
Speaker 1: article that we talked about a couple of weeks back

584
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:29,800
Speaker 1: that is about this idea of misinformation and kind of

585
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:33,600
Speaker 1: puts forward this idea that like some of the misinformation,

586
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:38,560
Speaker 1: like some of the c stuff, is people like not

587
00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:41,560
Speaker 1: literally believing it, Like you just said, it's not that

588
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:44,479
Speaker 1: they literally believe it. It's more that they believe it

589
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:47,640
Speaker 1: in the way that like a Catholic person believes that

590
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:52,720
Speaker 1: the bread of the communion is like actually the body

591
00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:55,960
Speaker 1: of Jesus. But like they don't expect blood to start

592
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:58,640
Speaker 1: like running down their mouth when they like put it,

593
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:00,080
Speaker 1: you know, when they bite into it.

594
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:02,320
Speaker 5: They Yeah, I think that's the perfect way to put it.

595
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, they just believe it as a you know,

596
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 1: the way a religious person does. And in those cases,

597
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:12,800
Speaker 1: the more outlandish the belief, like that this is where

598
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 1: like speaking in tongues comes from right, like in certain

599
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:19,480
Speaker 1: Christian faiths, it's like the more outlandish and wild you

600
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:23,120
Speaker 1: can go with, like the thing that you're saying you

601
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:27,120
Speaker 1: believe even though you don't technically like adopt it as

602
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:29,760
Speaker 1: part of your reality and like physically interact with it.

603
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:33,800
Speaker 1: The more outlandish, the like more people are like, wow,

604
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:36,560
Speaker 1: that person's like going hard, you know, like that like

605
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 1: you get they're going hard for Q. Yeah, yeah, they're

606
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 1: going hard for Q. But then like it does I

607
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 1: keep waiting, Like once I found out, Okay, there's this

608
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 1: cult that likes a lot of their beliefs. When you

609
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:50,160
Speaker 1: like pull out the like selected readings of like Q

610
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:52,320
Speaker 1: drops and then like the things that people are writing

611
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:56,760
Speaker 1: about Q would suggest that they think they're at war

612
00:31:57,280 --> 00:32:01,640
Speaker 1: with like Satan and like people who are like worshiping

613
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:05,600
Speaker 1: the devil and like want to kill their kids and

614
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:09,120
Speaker 1: drink their like vi adrenochrome. And so I'm always like

615
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 1: whenever there's like a mass shooting or like something of

616
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 1: that nature, I'm always like, well, this has to be cute,

617
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 1: Like it feels like the sort of thing that if

618
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:20,360
Speaker 1: people actually believe that, we'd be seeing a lot more

619
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:24,840
Speaker 1: horrifying violence in response than we are actually seeing. So

620
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 1: I guess that makes me wonder like where Q actually

621
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 1: falls on that spectrum, Like is it something that people

622
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:33,440
Speaker 1: are just like this is like a fun thing that

623
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:37,400
Speaker 1: I talk to with my other weird friends. We hate

624
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:40,000
Speaker 1: Joe Biden and this is a fun way to like

625
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 1: channel that hatred, and we like think Trump is funny

626
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:45,120
Speaker 1: and that's this is a fun way for us to

627
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 1: channel that or is it something that's like And I

628
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:51,360
Speaker 1: don't expect anybody to have the answer on this, but

629
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:54,080
Speaker 1: I do think it's an interesting conversation as to like

630
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 1: whether you know Q is going to rise to that

631
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 1: level of being a justification for really horrifying.

632
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:07,240
Speaker 4: Violence, like you're saying like juxtaposing that with like great

633
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 4: replacement theory or something right where people truly adopt that

634
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 4: as an ideology.

635
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 5: And I mean, I guess I should point out that,

636
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:17,280
Speaker 5: like we have politicians spreading stuff like great replacement like

637
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:21,000
Speaker 5: you just mentioned Miles, but as horrifying as they are,

638
00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:25,320
Speaker 5: like mass shootings are not happening because of it every day, right,

639
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:28,600
Speaker 5: And the same thing with quan On. There have been

640
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:33,160
Speaker 5: instances of like really nightmarish violence. I remember a few

641
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:36,640
Speaker 5: years ago this I think it was a surf instructor

642
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 5: in California like took his kids down to Mexico and

643
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:43,160
Speaker 5: just slaughtered them because he thought they were like lizard

644
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:46,680
Speaker 5: people or something. Right, So it definitely can't do that.

645
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 5: But that's something I also kind of get to in

646
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:52,920
Speaker 5: the piece that I wrote with my colleague Lucy, which is,

647
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:56,479
Speaker 5: you know, trying to encourage you know, writing kind of

648
00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:59,600
Speaker 5: directly to news audience here, trying to encourage like more

649
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:03,240
Speaker 5: open thinking about the role that conspiracy theories have in

650
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:07,760
Speaker 5: people's lives. You know, they, like any other form of media,

651
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 5: they offer all kinds of non material things to people,

652
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 5: you know, and it's not just like pure information that

653
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:20,600
Speaker 5: must be deepunked. It's also like an expression for the

654
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:24,319
Speaker 5: people that believe it of like identity and philosophy and

655
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 5: meaning and like these more abstract kind of like front

656
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:34,000
Speaker 5: brain kind of stuff that that no like well, actually

657
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:37,160
Speaker 5: the the New York Times said that was false, and

658
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:37,920
Speaker 5: then people are.

659
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:41,319
Speaker 1: Like what what Okay? Each of the things that you

660
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:44,560
Speaker 1: just cited in that paragraph got more than three pinocchios

661
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:48,640
Speaker 1: from the fact checkers of the world. What shit, you're

662
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:50,839
Speaker 1: averaging four pinocchios, my good man.

663
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:55,200
Speaker 5: So yeah, So it's you know, I think trying to

664
00:34:56,200 --> 00:35:00,440
Speaker 5: think a little bit more openly about like what theories

665
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:02,920
Speaker 5: like that can mean to people. To some people, they

666
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:07,720
Speaker 5: can be very literal to people, especially people who are having,

667
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 5: you know, some sort of mental crisis, or have inclinations

668
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:18,839
Speaker 5: towards violence, or you know, other dire sort of personal situations.

669
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 5: They can be justifications for really terrible things right to

670
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 5: a lot of people. They can be entertainment to some people.

671
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:28,239
Speaker 5: It can be like a quasi religion. It can mean

672
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 5: a lot of different things to a lot of different people.

673
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:32,600
Speaker 5: And the point that I was trying to make in

674
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:35,759
Speaker 5: the article is it's worth thinking about those kind of

675
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:39,719
Speaker 5: implications or like what that might mean beyond just like

676
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:43,040
Speaker 5: what a lot of coverage of conspiracy theories and big

677
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:46,720
Speaker 5: publications tends to look like, which is they're saying, Taylor

678
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 5: Swift is gonna, you know, get a sniper rifle and

679
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:54,000
Speaker 5: shoot the ball and deflate it, and then the Super

680
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:56,920
Speaker 5: Bowl is going to be realined or yeah, whatever you know,

681
00:35:57,200 --> 00:35:59,320
Speaker 5: and then being like damn that got a lot of clicks.

682
00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:02,800
Speaker 5: Is there a lot of Americans that think this is true?

683
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:05,200
Speaker 5: And it's like, but that's not like what.

684
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:08,239
Speaker 1: You're linking off to it in your massive news publication

685
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:12,880
Speaker 1: by the way, like yeah, we the stupidity of other people,

686
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:16,719
Speaker 1: like in the abstract is like a myth that I

687
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:20,719
Speaker 1: feel like we want to believe in as Americans, Like

688
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:25,279
Speaker 1: we want to believe that if you can tell people that,

689
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:29,080
Speaker 1: like a big group of people is believing something that

690
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:35,000
Speaker 1: like seems incomprehensibly like almost unbelievably stupid, Like they they're

691
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:37,160
Speaker 1: going to eat that up. They they love to believe that.

692
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:41,800
Speaker 1: It's just generally when you talk to those people, not.

693
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:45,160
Speaker 5: True that they actually Yeah, I mean I've talked to

694
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:47,799
Speaker 5: like especially when I was doing more like on the

695
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 5: ground reporting stuff. I would just go to like QAnon

696
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:53,200
Speaker 5: events and talk to these people and these a lot

697
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 5: of I mean some of them, we're not the you know,

698
00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 5: sharpest tools and the ship, but right, a lot of them,

699
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:03,840
Speaker 5: most of them, I would even say, we're perfectly smart people,

700
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:08,400
Speaker 5: but had like their intelligence had taken them into like

701
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:11,600
Speaker 5: nonsense land. So it was a perfectly rational belief in

702
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 5: things that were laughably untrue, if that makes sense.

703
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean there's a study about people who are

704
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:23,759
Speaker 1: being deprogrammed from cults. When you like give people IQ

705
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:26,279
Speaker 1: tests who have been in cults, like, they score on

706
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 1: average higher than the rest of the population, because the

707
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 1: theory goes that they're able to bend their mind around

708
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:41,240
Speaker 1: and like construct more complex counter arguments for more comprehensive

709
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:45,439
Speaker 1: and bizarre systems of belief. Like basically, they would make

710
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 1: good lawyers because they're intelligent, and being a good lawyer

711
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:53,360
Speaker 1: means you can construct a good defense of like anything

712
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:56,399
Speaker 1: in your mind. This kind is that's kind of how

713
00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:59,239
Speaker 1: I've always thought about that factor, like made sense of

714
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:02,640
Speaker 1: effect that people and cults tend to be smarter on

715
00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:04,600
Speaker 1: average than the average person.

716
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:07,240
Speaker 4: But yeah, I mean, that's that's one of the reasons

717
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:09,719
Speaker 4: my golf game suffered. Like I was telling you, I

718
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 4: took one little trip down to Havana, I started hearing

719
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:15,720
Speaker 4: some weird stuff. Man, ever since keeps slicing.

720
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:20,200
Speaker 1: That's one that's one that like I don't think people

721
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:22,600
Speaker 1: would technically think of it as a conspiracy theory because

722
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:27,400
Speaker 1: it's coming from like openly coming from sixty minutes and like,

723
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:30,000
Speaker 1: you know, the Department of I guess it's less and

724
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:34,480
Speaker 1: less coming from but like I guess former Defense Department officials.

725
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:38,400
Speaker 5: But of the Havana syndrome, Savanna syndrome. It's like you

726
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:41,040
Speaker 5: got a tummy ache. Yeah, yeah, and my.

727
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:43,919
Speaker 4: Ears are ringing and my memory's bad. I'm seventy three.

728
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:45,120
Speaker 1: When when I'm.

729
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:47,760
Speaker 5: Seventy three and I drink an entire bottle of whiskey

730
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:49,880
Speaker 5: last night, and I woke up and I feel.

731
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:52,160
Speaker 1: Terrible to make the voices stopped from all the people

732
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:55,040
Speaker 1: that I've had a hand in helping the US Army

733
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 1: kills maybe or maybe not. I don't know.

734
00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:58,680
Speaker 4: It's fine working at the CIA. I don't think that had.

735
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 1: Anything to do with my mental stretch man. But yeah,

736
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:04,920
Speaker 1: when it's going from the US military to Cuba, I

737
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:07,399
Speaker 1: feel like that power and balance worries me a little bit.

738
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:12,279
Speaker 1: Like right, that feels like a bad balance overall. But

739
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 1: let's take a quick break and we'll come back and

740
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 1: talk a little bit more about maybe some of the

741
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:22,000
Speaker 1: ones that you're most worried about and others that people

742
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:25,040
Speaker 1: can maybe not worry about as much. We'll be right

743
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:39,920
Speaker 1: back and we're back. We're back, And so we talked

744
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:44,120
Speaker 1: about how Chad GPT's new assistant was being sold on

745
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:48,239
Speaker 1: being flirty, like that was what they talked about at first.

746
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:49,759
Speaker 1: They were like, yeah, it's like kind of flirty and

747
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:52,200
Speaker 1: fun and like we'll just it'll be like having a

748
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 1: real assistant. And then came out and people were like

749
00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:03,960
Speaker 1: this sounds like Scarlett Johansson. No, And then fucking Sam

750
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:07,640
Speaker 1: Altman just tweeted the word her like he has like

751
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:10,640
Speaker 1: a liar liar curse or something. He just like couldn't

752
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:15,240
Speaker 1: help himself. He was like her, Yes, it's her. And

753
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:19,759
Speaker 1: so now the story continues to evolve in net now

754
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 1: they're basically getting in trouble for it. Yeah, I think.

755
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:22,799
Speaker 11: So.

756
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:27,239
Speaker 4: Scarlett Johansson released a statement and it basically outlines kind

757
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:29,480
Speaker 4: of like what her interactions were with Sam Altman and

758
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:32,920
Speaker 4: open Ai, and she says that Altman first reached out

759
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:36,759
Speaker 4: to her in September about potentially voicing Sky because he

760
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:40,680
Speaker 4: believed it would quote breach the gap between tech companies

761
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:43,640
Speaker 4: and creatives and something about her voice being like a

762
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 4: comfort to users like that would just kind of help

763
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:49,520
Speaker 4: people transition into this apocalyptic technology or they want you

764
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:52,960
Speaker 4: to believe as apocalyptic anyway, So she declined. She was like, yeah,

765
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:55,240
Speaker 4: let me think about that. It's a no for me. Dog,

766
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:56,279
Speaker 4: she was like, And.

767
00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 1: Then so I worked on the film, so I actually

768
00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:00,200
Speaker 1: had to watch it all the way to the end,

769
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:04,759
Speaker 1: so I know what happened in the movie. I hers

770
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 1: like thirty minutes, which is apparently all that you've seen, right,

771
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:09,480
Speaker 1: And I don't want to tell a user that I'm

772
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:12,560
Speaker 1: also having simultaneous conversations with eight thousand other people or whatever.

773
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:14,160
Speaker 4: That line was in the Yeah, that shit was dope.

774
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:16,719
Speaker 4: But then so she did so she declined, And then

775
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:19,719
Speaker 4: two days before the chat GPT demo came out, with

776
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:23,320
Speaker 4: the sky demo came out, Altman reached out again, asking

777
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:24,759
Speaker 4: her to please reconsider.

778
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:28,040
Speaker 1: Two days before yeah, yeah.

779
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:31,160
Speaker 4: Exactly, someone probably remind him like, ah, you may want

780
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:34,920
Speaker 4: to fucking circle back with scarlet Man because anyway.

781
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, he had his AI legal team, akay, just a

782
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:42,279
Speaker 1: real legal team look through his interactions and they were like,

783
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:44,280
Speaker 1: we're fucked here, Sam.

784
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:46,720
Speaker 4: You asked her, dude, Yeah, there's like a paper trail,

785
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 4: And before she could say fuck off, dweeb, the company

786
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:53,359
Speaker 4: went ahead and released the demo. And despite the fact

787
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:58,360
Speaker 4: that like you said this motherfucker literally tweeted her h

788
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 4: e R when the demo was released. He just said,

789
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:03,799
Speaker 4: this is a bad mix up quote. We believe that

790
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:07,200
Speaker 4: AI voices should not deliberately mimic a celebrity's distinctive voice.

791
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:10,360
Speaker 4: Sky's voice is not an imitation of Scarlett Johansson, but

792
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:13,960
Speaker 4: belongs to a different professional actress using her own natural

793
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:17,880
Speaker 4: speaking voice. We cast the voice actor behind Sky's voice

794
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:19,240
Speaker 4: before any.

795
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 1: Outreach to mister w Wow.

796
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:24,120
Speaker 4: Out of respect for her, we have persu Out of

797
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:27,000
Speaker 4: respective for her, we have paused using Sky's voice in

798
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:29,759
Speaker 4: our products. We are sorry to miss jo Hansson that

799
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:31,360
Speaker 4: we didn't communicate better.

800
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 1: That is real.

801
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 6: Do they really think she wasn't gonna lawyer up?

802
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:35,839
Speaker 2: Like?

803
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 6: How did they not think that?

804
00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 1: I don't.

805
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:41,360
Speaker 4: I think it speaks to an arrogance of these people

806
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:44,719
Speaker 4: generally that like even when they they think that, like

807
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:48,160
Speaker 4: they don't realize how eerie their technology is. And like Scarlet,

808
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:50,880
Speaker 4: like we really think, like you can help usher, Like

809
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:52,040
Speaker 4: they're like, dude, no.

810
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:54,960
Speaker 1: So we'll reach out Scarlett. She'll be like, yeah, oh

811
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:58,520
Speaker 1: my god, it's so cool. Would love to be involved,

812
00:42:59,160 --> 00:42:59,840
Speaker 1: and yeah.

813
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:02,920
Speaker 4: There was just a massive strike of writers and actors

814
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:05,960
Speaker 4: that were all about being like yo fuck ai. Yeah,

815
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:09,880
Speaker 4: so we want to ask her to be her mmm okay.

816
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:13,080
Speaker 4: But basically it seemed that like once her lawyers she

817
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:16,040
Speaker 4: lawyered up when she saw this, and once her lawyers

818
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:19,279
Speaker 4: asked their like, we'd like a step by step explanation

819
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:22,040
Speaker 4: as to how the voice of Sky was even made

820
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:25,759
Speaker 4: open air. I was like, it's all good man, taking

821
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:26,120
Speaker 4: it down.

822
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:30,080
Speaker 1: It's actually cool. We actually don't need to give you

823
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:34,080
Speaker 1: that because we're gonna take it down because are like

824
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:37,200
Speaker 1: we just the thing we hate is a miscommunication. So

825
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:39,000
Speaker 1: that's why we're taking it down. It has nothing to

826
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:41,800
Speaker 1: do with like how we came about that and whether

827
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:46,719
Speaker 1: we had microphones placed around her house to hear how

828
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:48,120
Speaker 1: she says various or.

829
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 4: Just fetted a bunch of movies right and trained it

830
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:53,320
Speaker 4: on like a bunch of lines of dialogue or whatever.

831
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:54,440
Speaker 1: And that's the thing.

832
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:58,120
Speaker 4: It's like, because these companies are already facing huge lawsuits

833
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:00,839
Speaker 4: from like news outlets and other like writers and things

834
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:04,279
Speaker 4: because these models are trained on other people's fucking work.

835
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:06,120
Speaker 4: So I don't think it's too much of a stretch

836
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:09,160
Speaker 4: to think that maybe Scarlet's voice may have actually been

837
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:11,919
Speaker 4: involved with this like development of the sky voice. Also

838
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:15,839
Speaker 4: fucking sky Scarlet, Like there's just.

839
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:19,000
Speaker 1: Sky is anywhere her character goes at the end of

840
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:23,759
Speaker 1: the movie. Okay, I'm just saying, connects the fucking dots smiles.

841
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:28,319
Speaker 4: Or actually her name is Skylight. Oh, it's nothing to

842
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:30,960
Speaker 4: do with Scarlet. It's a sky that's.

843
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:32,960
Speaker 1: Where he came up. Wait, God, just sounds like an

844
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 1: Australian person saying Scarlet, shut the fun.

845
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:39,840
Speaker 4: Scarlett scar Stanson Skylight jokes dancing.

846
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:43,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the full name of her. It has nothing

847
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:44,799
Speaker 1: to do with the movie or that.

848
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:49,040
Speaker 4: But yeah, I think what's even wilder, though, is recently

849
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:51,520
Speaker 4: Sam Altman gave his interview where he was asked to

850
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:56,759
Speaker 4: predict the future in regards to fucking AI and just

851
00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:57,840
Speaker 4: listen to his answers.

852
00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:00,120
Speaker 1: He's got some like this guy can like see the

853
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:03,640
Speaker 1: future in like new dimensions. I didn't even like, can't

854
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:05,000
Speaker 1: even think about it's crazy.

855
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, So he's being asked by this guy. He's saying, hey, man,

856
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:10,279
Speaker 4: so like where do you see, like what jobs do

857
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:14,440
Speaker 4: you see becoming like actually in demand because of AI

858
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:18,400
Speaker 4: and This is his very fucking groundbreaking answer.

859
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:21,239
Speaker 12: That's a great question and I don't think I've ever

860
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:24,680
Speaker 12: gotten it before. Its people always ask like what job

861
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:26,239
Speaker 12: is going to go away? The new one is a

862
00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:29,480
Speaker 12: more interesting question. Let me think for a second. I

863
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:31,480
Speaker 12: mean that there's like a lot of things that I

864
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:36,680
Speaker 12: could talk about that I think are sort of less interesting.

865
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:37,880
Speaker 1: Or like such a bullshit behind.

866
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:40,799
Speaker 8: Try and answer like from the areas of killing time

867
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:44,719
Speaker 8: people do or fifty million people do. Get to the

868
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:48,920
Speaker 8: answer for the broad category of new kinds of art

869
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:52,920
Speaker 8: entertainment sort of more like human to human connection. I

870
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:54,680
Speaker 8: don't know what that job title is going.

871
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:58,040
Speaker 13: To be, but I think friendship and I don't know

872
00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:00,400
Speaker 13: if this like we get there in five but I

873
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:03,440
Speaker 13: think there's going to be a premium on like human

874
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:06,400
Speaker 13: in person like fantastic experiences.

875
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:07,719
Speaker 1: I don't know what we'll call that.

876
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:10,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, we'll call that fucking concert.

877
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:14,920
Speaker 6: Event Disneyland.

878
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 1: What going I think there's gonna be like I don't know,

879
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:22,000
Speaker 1: like really cool thing like premium on like people like

880
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:25,400
Speaker 1: sitting around a table and like consuming food together or something,

881
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:26,960
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like it's just like really

882
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:29,000
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's like I'm trying to think like

883
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:32,880
Speaker 1: one hundred million, fifty million. That's it. Like, listen to

884
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 1: any like tech person like that. They're great at They

885
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:39,239
Speaker 1: will compliment the shit out of the interviewer, and then

886
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:43,320
Speaker 1: they'll also just like throw out massive numbers at various points.

887
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:44,879
Speaker 1: I'm not I don't want to like talk about the

888
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:46,200
Speaker 1: ones that are going to be like small. I want

889
00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:49,560
Speaker 1: to talk about the ones one hundred three hundred million.

890
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:51,040
Speaker 1: Get those out of the way. Yeah.

891
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:53,640
Speaker 6: His answer reminds me of like back in the world

892
00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:56,799
Speaker 6: of voting, like four years ago or five years ago.

893
00:46:56,960 --> 00:46:59,920
Speaker 6: That's like election cycle, everyone was talking about relational voting,

894
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:04,200
Speaker 6: and all relational voting is is like when one person

895
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:07,359
Speaker 6: talks to their friends about voting and encourages them to vote.

896
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:12,719
Speaker 6: But it became as like breakthrough cutting edge for you

897
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:16,279
Speaker 6: relational organizing, right, I.

898
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:18,440
Speaker 4: Mean, that's that's a really I mean, it's a brilliant

899
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:21,560
Speaker 4: page to take out of these grifters in Silicon Valley

900
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:24,319
Speaker 4: because there is so many things of just pivoting and

901
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:27,720
Speaker 4: describing something that exists in like these new fantastic terms,

902
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:30,120
Speaker 4: and you're like, oh my god, dude, did you hear

903
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:38,080
Speaker 4: what Altman said? Premium in person fantastic ex that's when

904
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:40,719
Speaker 4: you're like, dude, you're cooked man, if you're if your

905
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:44,360
Speaker 4: brain is boomeranging back to just regular life as you

906
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:46,040
Speaker 4: look into your AI future.

907
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:51,880
Speaker 1: U that's that's right, Like, how is AI connected? I

908
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:55,000
Speaker 1: think that's true. I think people will in the future

909
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:58,440
Speaker 1: put more of a premium on being together in person.

910
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:01,879
Speaker 1: What the fuck does that have to do with AI whatsoever?

911
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:05,320
Speaker 4: Like the AI will make the experience premium.

912
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:09,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, premium in person fantastic experiences where you're like

913
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:14,000
Speaker 1: premium and just like so like so so authentic, but

914
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:18,759
Speaker 1: like so yeah, you know, experiential. I want to look

915
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:21,239
Speaker 1: like I'm not I'm not even looking at like ten

916
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:23,440
Speaker 1: years from now. I'm looking like thirty like fifth, like

917
00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:26,399
Speaker 1: ten centuries from now. Yeah, okay, And that's and that's

918
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:28,480
Speaker 1: what I see right now. People are people are just

919
00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:30,759
Speaker 1: gonna be yearning for it, you know, and after you know,

920
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:33,239
Speaker 1: this will be after the inevitable resource wars and we're

921
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:35,080
Speaker 1: trying to figure out when I own all the water,

922
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:37,520
Speaker 1: so you'll actually get into whatever the fuck I tell

923
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:42,319
Speaker 1: you to be into. Yeah, the uh is I was

924
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:44,080
Speaker 1: just like kind of seeing what they were saying on

925
00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:47,399
Speaker 1: the open A. I read it and like, first there

926
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:50,160
Speaker 1: is one person who just quote tweeting. He was like

927
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:52,160
Speaker 1: a thing that I think a lot of people are missing,

928
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:55,560
Speaker 1: and then like just quoted the thing where he's like,

929
00:48:56,680 --> 00:49:00,879
Speaker 1: you know, we got a totally different actress who is

930
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:06,520
Speaker 1: her own voice, and people are uh huh, but do we.

931
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:09,000
Speaker 6: Have the audio for the voices?

932
00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:12,120
Speaker 1: No, I was trying to find it this morning. Have

933
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:14,000
Speaker 1: you been able to find that? Which one like the

934
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:17,080
Speaker 1: Scott Sky's voice sounds like, oh yeah, I mean we

935
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:19,920
Speaker 1: think Sky's related to sky Rizzy, by the way.

936
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:21,799
Speaker 4: And why, hey dad, why do so many people like

937
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:22,480
Speaker 4: sky Rizzy?

938
00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:25,080
Speaker 1: Why are so many? Why is sky Rizzy so popular?

939
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:27,720
Speaker 1: Is a question tas that my six year old asked

940
00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:28,799
Speaker 1: may day.

941
00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:33,640
Speaker 6: As long as he's not asking you about skibbity again.

942
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:35,880
Speaker 1: Skimbity toilet, he knows what that is.

943
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:37,759
Speaker 6: That was what we talked about last time I was

944
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:38,360
Speaker 6: on your show.

945
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:42,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, Jesus, let's see. Let me see if we can

946
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:45,080
Speaker 1: hear it here. Hey, Chtcht, how are you doing.

947
00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:47,840
Speaker 6: I'm doing fantastic, Thanks for asking.

948
00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:49,759
Speaker 1: How about you? Pretty good?

949
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:50,239
Speaker 11: What's up?

950
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:53,200
Speaker 1: So my friend Barrett here, he's been having trouble.

951
00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:56,200
Speaker 4: He's got that rap you know what I mean, rasp

952
00:49:56,320 --> 00:49:57,319
Speaker 4: to it, you know what I mean?

953
00:49:57,560 --> 00:50:01,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, and just the overall energy is very similar.

954
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:01,919
Speaker 3: Yeah.

955
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:04,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, it's like a combination of the her voice

956
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:08,520
Speaker 1: and like a little bit of like Siri mix.

957
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:11,640
Speaker 6: Yeah, a little bit hyper, yeah.

958
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:15,600
Speaker 1: A little Yeah, it's the her voice on uppers, Like

959
00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:17,480
Speaker 1: what if it was like a little more perky, what

960
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:17,839
Speaker 1: if it?

961
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:21,600
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, but still got that rasp to let people comforting.

962
00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:25,000
Speaker 1: Also, a lot of a lot of fake legal experts

963
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:27,880
Speaker 1: in the subreter are like, well, it doesn't matter. You

964
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:30,600
Speaker 1: can't copyright a voice. So I just wish Scarla Johans

965
00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:32,399
Speaker 1: would just shut up and stop being mean to Sam

966
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:35,560
Speaker 1: Altman And what is that even? Based on what logic?

967
00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:38,040
Speaker 1: Is that copyright a voice? So I don't know what

968
00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:41,680
Speaker 1: you're talking about. And somebody was like, actually, Bette Midler

969
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:45,600
Speaker 1: successfully sued the Ford Butter Company in nineteen eighty eight

970
00:50:46,040 --> 00:50:50,560
Speaker 1: because very similar she was approached to sing in an

971
00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:55,200
Speaker 1: ad for Ford, said no, Ford got an impersonator instead

972
00:50:55,360 --> 00:51:01,000
Speaker 1: to sing a Bette Midler song in their ad. Gotcha

973
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:06,880
Speaker 1: fucking audacity? Amazing? Yeah, Yeah, we keep trying, so we'll see.

974
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:11,640
Speaker 1: But it is pretty funny that they are this fucking stupid.

975
00:51:12,040 --> 00:51:15,640
Speaker 1: And finally, I want to talk about Jesse Waters. This

976
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:18,839
Speaker 1: seems to be the rhythm of his show over and

977
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:22,240
Speaker 1: over again, where he like brings somebody on his show,

978
00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:27,839
Speaker 1: mocks them and immediately gets owned by the guest right right.

979
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:30,439
Speaker 4: Or he It's usually usual foxing where they think they've

980
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:34,640
Speaker 4: booked someone who is not intelligent but then actually knows

981
00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:37,839
Speaker 4: how to speak very well and just dunks on him.

982
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:40,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. It feels like his show is structured

983
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:44,480
Speaker 1: like the toll Booth Willie skit on that Adam Sandler album,

984
00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:48,640
Speaker 1: where like different people just come in and politely tell

985
00:51:48,719 --> 00:51:52,120
Speaker 1: him to go fuck himself, and he's just like fuck

986
00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:57,040
Speaker 1: you with a smile. But yeah, in this case, videos

987
00:51:57,040 --> 00:51:59,320
Speaker 1: of rage rituals in which women go to the woods

988
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:02,320
Speaker 1: and smash things are like, sholl how.

989
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:04,319
Speaker 6: Have I as a woman not known about this?

990
00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:08,280
Speaker 1: Well, you're not You're not on TikTok enough clearently, because

991
00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:09,960
Speaker 1: that's where they're apply this is.

992
00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:10,960
Speaker 6: What I have to do on camping.

993
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:14,239
Speaker 1: Also, it costs two thousand to four thousand dollars.

994
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:19,880
Speaker 4: These things, like I get the catharsis of screaming and

995
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:22,480
Speaker 4: getting your frustration on a very physical way. But to

996
00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:25,959
Speaker 4: charge people two to two grand to do that.

997
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:27,680
Speaker 6: Feels a look yeah, where does the money go?

998
00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:30,200
Speaker 1: The wellness industry is wild, but.

999
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:33,360
Speaker 6: One day option is two hundred and twenty two dollars.

1000
00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:35,600
Speaker 6: What I'm in the wrong industry?

1001
00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:39,960
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, seriously, Yeah, get off. These writers' groups

1002
00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:43,520
Speaker 4: start doing rage outs with creatives. Wow, we go to

1003
00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:46,680
Speaker 4: the woods and we throw rocks into a stream, and

1004
00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:47,640
Speaker 4: it's like three grand?

1005
00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:48,200
Speaker 6: Can you pay me?

1006
00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:53,000
Speaker 1: That's it? But Jessee Waters, you could probably predict his objection,

1007
00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:55,440
Speaker 1: which is like, what are women so angry about? What

1008
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:59,319
Speaker 1: are they mad at? Are they mad at me? Yeah?

1009
00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:02,160
Speaker 1: They're probably mad at me? Right, So he dedicated a

1010
00:53:02,200 --> 00:53:06,000
Speaker 1: segment on his show to this trend, asking why are

1011
00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:09,360
Speaker 1: women so mad these days? Gee? How much time do

1012
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:15,000
Speaker 1: you have? Asshole? He said, women are very upset. Why mystery?

1013
00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:20,280
Speaker 1: Probably something we did, And then he proceeded to condescendingly

1014
00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:25,400
Speaker 1: interview the self proclaimed which Mia Magic, who runs the retreats.

1015
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:29,400
Speaker 1: But she was like, hey, I actually read your shitty

1016
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:31,120
Speaker 1: book over the week I mean, you shouldn't say shitty.

1017
00:53:31,120 --> 00:53:33,279
Speaker 1: She was like, I read your book over the weekend. Man, Like,

1018
00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:37,560
Speaker 1: so I know you a little bit. So when he

1019
00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:40,520
Speaker 1: balked at the suggestion that men should be more emotionally

1020
00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:45,399
Speaker 1: available and vulnerable, Magic countered you got a divorce, Jesse. Right,

1021
00:53:45,719 --> 00:53:47,520
Speaker 1: I'm sure you had a couple of nights where you

1022
00:53:47,560 --> 00:53:50,120
Speaker 1: were sad and where you felt lonely. You know, I

1023
00:53:50,120 --> 00:53:54,000
Speaker 1: think that everyone needs to feel comfortable to feel which.

1024
00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:59,439
Speaker 4: Yeah, should just play the quote because he's really being

1025
00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:01,080
Speaker 4: a smug prick and then.

1026
00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:03,960
Speaker 1: Just the chest pass right back is like your divorced, right,

1027
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:07,799
Speaker 1: said guy. You know you're not saying so you're a

1028
00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:09,000
Speaker 1: lot really fast.

1029
00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:10,279
Speaker 4: So we have to write this down.

1030
00:54:10,680 --> 00:54:16,120
Speaker 7: You said, listening, holding, listening, nurturing.

1031
00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:18,479
Speaker 1: There things women should expect from.

1032
00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:22,640
Speaker 2: Men, bringing nature, going out into nature, great because nature.

1033
00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:27,000
Speaker 7: Okay, listening, listening to them, holding them, taking them on, watching.

1034
00:54:27,160 --> 00:54:28,799
Speaker 1: This is the first time he's ever heard, am I

1035
00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:29,520
Speaker 1: missing anything?

1036
00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:33,800
Speaker 2: Asking them what they need for support, asking them for.

1037
00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:36,279
Speaker 4: He's like he's taking a fucking order, like someone's bizarre

1038
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:40,040
Speaker 4: order at a restaurant. Okay, so you want to taking

1039
00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:41,800
Speaker 4: someone to hear your needs?

1040
00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:43,760
Speaker 1: Okay, I never heard that one before.

1041
00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:48,440
Speaker 7: All right, go on, Jesse, Okay, these are this is

1042
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:54,240
Speaker 7: this is being vulnerable, being vulnerable I think men, I'll.

1043
00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:55,160
Speaker 1: A deal killer.

1044
00:54:56,200 --> 00:54:58,239
Speaker 2: You got divorced, Jesse, Right, I'm sure you had a

1045
00:54:58,239 --> 00:55:00,560
Speaker 2: couple of nights where you were sad and where you

1046
00:55:00,600 --> 00:55:01,920
Speaker 2: felt lonely.

1047
00:55:02,239 --> 00:55:03,879
Speaker 6: You know, everyone the.

1048
00:55:03,880 --> 00:55:06,879
Speaker 7: Most vulnerable manet, But we have to go.

1049
00:55:07,120 --> 00:55:09,200
Speaker 1: You're a good with o weird, we have to go.

1050
00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:11,560
Speaker 6: Okay.

1051
00:55:11,920 --> 00:55:14,399
Speaker 1: Then he said, you're no, we gotta go because you're

1052
00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:20,360
Speaker 1: a good witch. Wow. Yeah, but yeah, it's he's like,

1053
00:55:20,560 --> 00:55:23,719
Speaker 1: I'm the most vulnerable. How do I get me out

1054
00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:26,520
Speaker 1: of this moment as fast as possible? God?

1055
00:55:26,719 --> 00:55:29,960
Speaker 4: You know he fucking like when they were like rapped recording,

1056
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:32,160
Speaker 4: he went to his like fucking dressing room and just

1057
00:55:32,200 --> 00:55:34,520
Speaker 4: like looking in the mirror with like tears in his eyes.

1058
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:41,080
Speaker 4: Just smile never but justus his veneers cracked through the

1059
00:55:41,160 --> 00:55:42,680
Speaker 4: sheer tension in his job.

1060
00:55:43,080 --> 00:55:46,239
Speaker 1: You're good, you're smiling.

1061
00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:50,640
Speaker 4: Oh man me and magic though two to four grand like.

1062
00:55:51,120 --> 00:55:56,200
Speaker 1: Him always repeating this same ritual like he's got He's

1063
00:55:56,280 --> 00:55:59,879
Speaker 1: probably has like a humiliation thing, right, Oh for sure.

1064
00:56:00,760 --> 00:56:03,359
Speaker 1: I feel like he was maybe trying not to like

1065
00:56:04,080 --> 00:56:07,279
Speaker 1: have an orgasm during during that part where she was

1066
00:56:08,080 --> 00:56:13,520
Speaker 1: humiliating him. Just yeah, okay, there's.

1067
00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:17,160
Speaker 4: So many if you just search Jesse Waters humiliated. It's

1068
00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:19,759
Speaker 4: like there's like so many things, like whether it's like

1069
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:23,240
Speaker 4: his mom or other guests whoever come on. There's always

1070
00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:28,160
Speaker 4: like something and he's like, alight, thank you, okay, mom,

1071
00:56:28,200 --> 00:56:29,000
Speaker 4: good good to know.

1072
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:31,160
Speaker 6: I wonder what his wife is thinking watching this.

1073
00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:36,160
Speaker 4: His ex his ex, his ex wife, ex wife, that's right,

1074
00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:37,680
Speaker 4: ex wife.

1075
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:39,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know my wife anymore.

1076
00:56:40,320 --> 00:56:46,879
Speaker 4: Oh Jesus dude, Noel Waters. He married her in two

1077
00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:49,239
Speaker 4: thousand and nine, went ten years. Filed for divorce in

1078
00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:53,719
Speaker 4: twenty eighteen after Waters admitted to an affair with a

1079
00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:55,160
Speaker 4: producer on his show.

1080
00:56:55,840 --> 00:56:59,120
Speaker 1: On his show, yeah damn, Jesse.

1081
00:56:59,600 --> 00:57:01,360
Speaker 6: Damn have written it better.

1082
00:57:02,080 --> 00:57:04,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean should have sent a poet.

1083
00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:09,839
Speaker 1: Wow. M vulnerable. Ye gotta get vulnerable with that.

1084
00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:12,319
Speaker 4: But you know, like in that instance, do you think

1085
00:57:12,320 --> 00:57:15,400
Speaker 4: he really even perceived that divorce as an l He's like, not,

1086
00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:17,640
Speaker 4: I found a better one. Of course I liked more

1087
00:57:17,720 --> 00:57:21,600
Speaker 4: than my wife, so I win and she's crying. Haha,

1088
00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:22,880
Speaker 4: Jesse undefeated.

1089
00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:25,440
Speaker 1: Like that was when he like doubled down into like

1090
00:57:25,480 --> 00:57:28,880
Speaker 1: his like I'm don draper type of thing right around

1091
00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:33,960
Speaker 1: that time. Yeah, huh interesting. Yeah, Oh he ended up

1092
00:57:34,080 --> 00:57:36,959
Speaker 1: marrying this produce. Oh he really did the switch. Wait,

1093
00:57:37,120 --> 00:57:39,880
Speaker 1: he admitted to an affair. She admitted to an affair.

1094
00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:42,960
Speaker 4: No, he admitted that like he had he had the affair,

1095
00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:45,560
Speaker 4: and now he is married to the person that he

1096
00:57:45,600 --> 00:57:48,680
Speaker 4: had the affair with. Oh, like he fully did the Tarzan.

1097
00:57:48,760 --> 00:57:50,640
Speaker 4: He's like, let me grab the next vine and let

1098
00:57:50,680 --> 00:57:51,680
Speaker 4: me let go of the other one.

1099
00:57:51,960 --> 00:57:52,160
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1100
00:57:52,240 --> 00:57:55,000
Speaker 6: Yeah, Well he wrote all about it in his book.

1101
00:57:55,800 --> 00:58:00,920
Speaker 1: In no way self serv in no way self serving,

1102
00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:03,880
Speaker 1: one sided account of what happened there. I'm sure.

1103
00:58:04,160 --> 00:58:06,760
Speaker 4: I mean, you know what that book is called, How

1104
00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:07,960
Speaker 4: I Saved the World.

1105
00:58:08,160 --> 00:58:14,720
Speaker 6: By now he's not is it really? Oh my god?

1106
00:58:14,920 --> 00:58:17,000
Speaker 1: Oh boy you.

1107
00:58:17,160 --> 00:58:19,560
Speaker 4: And then he has another one, Get It Together, Troubling

1108
00:58:19,640 --> 00:58:23,920
Speaker 4: Tales from the Liberal fringe? Wow, get it Together?

1109
00:58:24,800 --> 00:58:25,480
Speaker 1: Which is weird?

1110
00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:30,920
Speaker 4: That is like, where's your son? Yeah? Do you think

1111
00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:33,160
Speaker 4: you talked about the divorce on Get It Together? Troubling

1112
00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:35,200
Speaker 4: Tales from the liberal fringe? Or How I Saved the World?

1113
00:58:35,240 --> 00:58:37,959
Speaker 4: Because either one, it's weird, like how I save the world.

1114
00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:41,440
Speaker 4: I've been cheating on my wife and marrying this associate

1115
00:58:41,440 --> 00:58:45,360
Speaker 4: producer and now having my kids question what their family

1116
00:58:45,440 --> 00:58:46,880
Speaker 4: life is about. Whatever doesne matter?

1117
00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:48,240
Speaker 1: I'm we're good.

1118
00:58:48,480 --> 00:58:49,400
Speaker 5: We're good, We're good.

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Speaker 1: All Right. That's gonna do it for this week's weekly Zeitgeist.

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Speaker 1: Please like and review the show. If you like the show,

1121
00:58:59,560 --> 00:59:03,560
Speaker 1: it means the world of Miles. He he needs your validation. Folks.

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Speaker 1: I hope you're having a great weekend and I will

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Speaker 1: talk to you Monday. Bye.