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Speaker 1: Morning Show.

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Speaker 2: All right, this is gonna be fun. I'm glad you're

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Speaker 2: listening right now. My good friends Jamie Cappanetta and John

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Speaker 2: Cavana are here. You're both Cappettas, right. I never knew.

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Speaker 2: We got to figure that out sometimes you know different names. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: we met each other during pandemic. Yeah, Alex and I

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Speaker 2: decided to adopt a pandemic dog and we're like, oh god,

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Speaker 2: this is not working out. Remember we had I had

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Speaker 2: Ollie at the house for five minutes after we landed

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Speaker 2: from adopting him, and I was we got to take

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Speaker 2: him back right now. I remember that, how do we

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Speaker 2: meet you guys? And Alex and John became.

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Speaker 3: First friends on Facebook? So that's how it started.

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Speaker 2: Right, So he said, so you guys became friends because

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Speaker 2: you're trainers, and he's like, we need you or what happened?

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Speaker 4: I think him and I became friends on Instagram like

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Speaker 4: way before COVID, just over like animal things like zeus stuff.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, well, so we had this dog and Allie

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Speaker 2: was just nuts, right and where we don't know what

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Speaker 2: we're doing. And we had this other dog, Max, who

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Speaker 2: was great.

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Speaker 3: He's just the unicorn dog.

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Speaker 2: Yes, set you up for failure. I know, is that

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Speaker 2: what that is? Yes? So thank god Alex had reached

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Speaker 2: out to John earlier and then Jamie and then they

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Speaker 2: all during COVID they would come over, we'd sit outside,

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Speaker 2: socially disconnected whatever the hell used to say. I'm so

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Speaker 2: glad those days are not. And we started. We would

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Speaker 2: sit on the screened imports floor and we would together

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Speaker 2: just kind of train the dog and it was just

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Speaker 2: a lot of fun.

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Speaker 5: It was it was and I think for you, I

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Speaker 5: think it was a little eye opening because a lot

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Speaker 5: of it was not the physical training. It was more

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Speaker 5: talking about your lifestyle and what this looks like and

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Speaker 5: what you're struggling with him, and and how that kind

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Speaker 5: of pans out as a family versus sit stay and.

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Speaker 2: Come right right, Sit stay? And what what chapter in

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Speaker 2: the book is that on? Anyway, So ja Amy worked

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Speaker 2: her ass off to write this book and then and

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Speaker 2: the story behind getting it done is very interesting. It's

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Speaker 2: called Stop Training Your Dog. And I said, you got

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Speaker 2: to come on the show and talk about it because

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Speaker 2: you and John your lives are so relatable beyond training dogs. Well,

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Speaker 2: let's start with stop training your Dog. Yes, why do

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Speaker 2: you call it stop training your dogs.

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Speaker 5: So I wanted a decently catchy title for you to

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Speaker 5: be like, wait, what does that mean? And really the

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Speaker 5: meeting behind it is stop training and start teaching. You're

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Speaker 5: trying to force all of these things, but you're not

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Speaker 5: understanding that the lack of connection that you have with

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Speaker 5: your dog is actually the problem either. Now, this, this

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Speaker 5: book talks about a lot of emotions, So in the

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Speaker 5: very beginning, I'm like, listen, if you're not ready to

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Speaker 5: tap into your emotions, put the book down, because this

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Speaker 5: is you're not.

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Speaker 2: Going to like it. Wow, Okay, Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I tell people like, there's a lot that goes in

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Speaker 5: this and it may hurt like it may hurt you

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Speaker 5: where you're like, oh wow, I mean I'm actually the problem,

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Speaker 5: and not in the way where other trainers will tell you, oh,

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Speaker 5: you're not being alpha, you're not being the leader, you're

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Speaker 5: not being rough enough on your dog. They're taking advantage

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Speaker 5: of Yes, none of that actually exists in reality. It's

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Speaker 5: if you aren't understanding and being empathetic for your dog

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Speaker 5: and knowing their struggles and and putting that all together

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Speaker 5: and saying okay, getting curious and saying, my dog is

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Speaker 5: acting this way, because and what can I do to

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Speaker 5: avoid that? But also how can I fix their trauma?

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Speaker 5: How can I fix the negative attention seeking?

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Speaker 3: Because that's for a reason. You know.

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Speaker 5: You mentioned the other day the girl who came on,

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Speaker 5: she talked about her her Italian mother, and and she

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Speaker 5: just kept praising the dog with treats because he kept

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Speaker 5: taking the pen or something like that and growling. And

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Speaker 5: you don't want to praise bad behavior. But at the

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Speaker 5: same time, did she get curious and say, why is

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Speaker 5: he doing this? Why is he taking my pen and growling?

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Speaker 2: Right, there's a reason behind it. And that's what this

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Speaker 2: book does.

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Speaker 6: You know.

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Speaker 2: Just calling them an ahol isn't the full story.

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Speaker 5: It's only a small part the end, the type thing reason.

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Speaker 2: They're just an ah Now, now follow along if you

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Speaker 2: don't have a dog and don't even care about training

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Speaker 2: a dog or teaching a dog, I still think that

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Speaker 2: all of these principles apply to communication with a human

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Speaker 3: I talk about kids a lot on this too, because

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Speaker 3: they're very very similar.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So okay, so let's talk about writing the book.

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Speaker 2: All right. Yeah, So Jamie is dyslexic. I am. She

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Speaker 2: has two kids, two sons and another all the way

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Speaker 2: right now, Yes, she wrote a book, and you guys

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Speaker 2: have a farm where you have pigs.

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Speaker 3: And animals, pig and ten goats that are all rescued.

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Speaker 2: In doing rehabit the farm.

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Speaker 4: Yea, we have our rehab to Sody. So we right

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Speaker 4: now we actually have Kyla who's with us. Yes, she

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Speaker 2: Decompressed, I've written a book, and that's impossible to have

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Speaker 2: all those things going on, but you did it. And

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Speaker 2: of course with the help of John making sure the

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Speaker 2: house was stable, you can go upstairs and write. Now

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Speaker 2: talking about just go back to what you were talking about.

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Speaker 2: Let's circle around, Yeah, about behaviors you see you're experiencing

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Speaker 2: from your dog. How do you figure out, oh my god,

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Speaker 2: let's make a connection here that dog is doing this

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Speaker 2: because of this You got to just consciously think about it.

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Speaker 5: Yes, that way, Well, I think because of what I know,

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Speaker 5: I can link it really clearly. My goal is for

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Speaker 5: all my clients is to teach them well enough where

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Speaker 5: they can do it themselves eventually. Like I always say,

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Speaker 5: like when you work with me and you learn from me,

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Speaker 5: you should be able to do this for generations of

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Speaker 5: dogs because it's not super particular to that one dog.

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Speaker 5: If you know how to get curious and you know

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Speaker 5: how you know like the little things that can set

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Speaker 5: a dog off anxiety, Like all of this stuff, you

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Speaker 5: can say, oh, okay, I've dealt with this before, or Okay,

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Speaker 5: this is an odd behavior. What do I think the

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Speaker 5: he'll start to hump his leg and he's like, why is.

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Speaker 3: He doing that to me? And it's like because he

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Speaker 3: misses you. It's stress related.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, I'm gonna start humping I miss you

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Speaker 5: It's like it's a displacement behavior. So they do it

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Speaker 5: because they don't know what else to do. They're like,

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Speaker 5: pay attention to me, and he goes right on his

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Speaker 2: No, pay attention to me. And how many times do

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Speaker 2: you find kids are the same way adults are, friends

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Speaker 2: are the same way. They just want your attention.

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Speaker 5: Because what does he do the second he startsuming, he

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Speaker 5: starts yelling at him, right, just because he doesn't know

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Speaker 3: I mean, nobody really wants to get hump like that.

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Speaker 2: Right, maybe.

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Speaker 5: His own, But you know that's what the dog is saying.

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Speaker 5: Even though it's negative attention, it's still attention. It's the

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Speaker 5: same thing with kids. Any attention is good attention.

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Speaker 2: Okay, let's talk about another parallel between dogs, kids and adults.

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Speaker 2: When you leave to go to work and they get

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Speaker 2: very anxious, like I know, Alie. We can't really leave

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Speaker 2: Ali unattended, unattended alive. I mean he goes a little crazy,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's a COVID puppy. He's what, he's a COVID puppy.

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Speaker 2: He's a COVID puppy. He's used to being around people

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Speaker 5: Three four years being with you guys, twenty four to seven,

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Speaker 5: and then you decided to go back to normal. If

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Speaker 5: and he's like cold on a second, we don't do this, right,

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Speaker 5: Why are you doing this.

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Speaker 7: This is the same thing with kids, act people in general.

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Speaker 2: Yes, like you.

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Speaker 1: Know, if you were by yourself, a lot of you

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Speaker 7: You know you're used to it.

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Speaker 1: I like this, right, And then, like you said, with

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Speaker 1: the kids, it's separation anxiety. You've been home with your

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Speaker 1: to send me back to school, Like, Zach, what are

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Speaker 2: Yeah, un it's the same thing.

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Speaker 8: But what do you do then? If you had a

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Speaker 8: pandemic puppy, a COVID puppy, it's just.

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Speaker 5: Time you got to work through it. It's really with

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Speaker 5: this type of training, it's positive reinforcement behavioral training. So

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Speaker 5: looks like is over time working through that problem in

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Speaker 2: So what does that mean in the course of the day.

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Speaker 5: So, like let's say you wanted to crate train, you

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Speaker 5: a lot of expecting parents. People will have kids, and

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Speaker 5: actually need to leave the house eventually, and we have

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Speaker 5: Right if the dog is left home alone, going to

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Speaker 5: get into stuff, destroys stuff, puts themselves at risk. Like

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Speaker 5: our dogs, both of our our two bigger older adopters,

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Speaker 5: they would injure themselves, like if we left them. It

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Speaker 5: was traumatic, Like Oakley almost killed himself. It was horrible,

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Speaker 5: and we had to work through that by crate training

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Speaker 2: No, that's a little bit, right, I guess you could continue.

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Speaker 5: I'm sure, so working with that crate in in moderation.

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Speaker 5: So we're doing like enrichment in there, and we'll get

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Speaker 5: on to Richmond. That's a big topic to talk about,

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Speaker 5: like frozen bones, frozen cons work to eat, toys that

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Speaker 5: actually keep their engagement. You want to say no when

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Speaker 5: I leave, you actually get all over you real horses,

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Speaker 5: And I'm just gonna leave for a few minutes and

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Speaker 5: then I'm gonna come back and we're gonna keep working through.

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Speaker 2: So we start in short periods of time away. For instance,

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Speaker 2: we went up to June Farms with the dogs in

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Speaker 2: great place. We wanted to leave them in the room

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Speaker 2: so we could go to dinner with their friends. We couldn't.

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Speaker 2: All they started screaming like like a new room, right,

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Speaker 2: never been there before exactly. Yeah, and Max was there

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Speaker 5: No fight or flight. He's like, this is weird. He's like,

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Speaker 2: Oh, given franquilizers, it's all good. That can help sometimes. Essentially,

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Speaker 2: there is a whole chapter on medication. So yes, dog, no, no.

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Speaker 5: hold that. Sorry, my bad. Okay, it's called impulse control.

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Speaker 5: Teaching impulse control. This is the same exact thing with kids.

438
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Speaker 5: If they never learn how to calm down, you don't

439
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Speaker 5: teach them how to come down the ladder on their

440
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Speaker 5: own without you getting involved, they will never calm down.

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Speaker 5: So you overhear people say, oh, they'll calm down as

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Speaker 5: they get older. Bys No, it is it is not

443
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Speaker 5: a given. It is a skill that needs to be learned.

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Speaker 2: How do you teach them?

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Speaker 5: So it's depending on what the situation is. In those situations,

446
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Speaker 5: I would have them work at the door. Quite often.

447
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Speaker 5: You can't do this like once a month. It's got

448
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Speaker 5: to be more consistent and basically come up with a

449
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Speaker 5: method that works for that dog. So a lot of times,

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Speaker 5: my favorite method is literally giving enrichment the second you

451
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Speaker 5: walk in the door. So like scare, if you're gonna

452
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Speaker 5: come in the door, they already leave a frozen marabone

453
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Speaker 5: or a frozen right outside the door.

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Speaker 3: You give it to the dog.

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Speaker 5: The dog's like, oh thanks for this peace offering, has

456
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Speaker 5: something else to mentally focus on. I will also be excited,

457
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Speaker 5: being excited that you're there.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I get that.

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Speaker 3: Do you know what I'm saying?

460
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Speaker 2: Like, oh, here's this present and hi. For instance, Ollie

461
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Speaker 2: always has an animal in its mouth, like a plush

462
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Speaker 2: plush toy. That's that's excitement. It's on purpose. So if

463
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Speaker 2: ever you know, he knows he's about to go outside,

464
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Speaker 2: he runs out the door and he'll pick up a

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Speaker 2: pile of leaves in his mouth and just run with them.

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Speaker 3: Opally brought me my heating pad one time.

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Speaker 2: There you go. It was adorable, which was like, no,

468
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Speaker 2: thankfully it was not. So Yeah, he was so excited.

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Speaker 3: He brought it over to me.

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Speaker 2: Gandhi has so many questions. I so many thoughts.

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Speaker 8: You're so many Okay. First of all, can you teach

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Speaker 8: an old dog new tricks?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 5: Okay, because think about it this way. I always say this.

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Speaker 5: If you're twenty, can you go to therapy?

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Speaker 2: Sure?

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Speaker 3: What if you're sixty, I mean.

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Speaker 8: You can go.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if it's gonna Yeah, it's gonna take.

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Speaker 5: A little bit longer because you got more issh to

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Speaker 5: work out, but you can still go and make positive

482
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Speaker 5: change for you and the people around you.

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Speaker 3: So it's when it comes to training.

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Speaker 5: Everybody thinks obedience, right, you think, how do I get

485
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Speaker 5: my dog to.

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Speaker 3: Do X, Y Z?

487
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Speaker 2: And it's like, no, well what is your actual goal?

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Speaker 4: Right?

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Speaker 5: If you're dealing with like dog reactivity, your dog hates

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Speaker 5: other dogs, you go and walk and your dog's losing

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Speaker 5: their light?

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Speaker 3: Yes, okay that is the case.

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Speaker 5: If they're one, you can you'll work on that a

494
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Speaker 5: lot quicker because they've had less time experiencing those emotions.

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Speaker 5: But if your dog is older, it may take a

496
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Speaker 5: little bit longer, but it's one hundred percent doable if

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Speaker 5: you do it right. So we want to say we

498
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Speaker 5: like dogs. We're not saying shut your mouth, your emotions

499
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Speaker 5: don't matter here. No, you're fearful. You're fearful of that dog.

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Speaker 5: I see that, right, I get it. Dogs can be scared.

501
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Speaker 5: That dog's barking at you too. I'd be scared. And

502
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Speaker 5: you're saying no every single time you're around a dog.

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Speaker 5: You're getting all the love in the world, treats, praise,

504
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Speaker 5: the whole nimes, and you consistently do that until your

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Speaker 5: dog is like, oh, we're not in fight or flight.

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Speaker 5: That was silly, I'm good. It's kids with thunderstorms. If

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Speaker 5: you tell them to man up and stop crying, they're

508
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Speaker 5: gonna be like this sucks, and I'm never going to

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Speaker 5: tell you how I feel ever again.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 5: But if like with with my four year old John

512
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Speaker 5: and my my dad last summer when he was three,

513
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Speaker 5: he realized that thunder was scary, and instead of saying

514
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Speaker 5: stop crying, they sat in front of the window. They

515
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Speaker 5: had pipe popsicles together and they watched the storm.

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Speaker 2: Oh how fun.

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Speaker 5: And now every single time there's a thunderstorm he wants

518
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Speaker 5: to call Poppy and say, oh, there's a thunderstorm, pop

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Speaker 5: and we have to watch together. Like now, that's a

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Speaker 5: positive association. So it's the same thing with with dogs

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Speaker 5: that are that are dog reactive. Make it a positive

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Speaker 5: association over time. The mailman, same thing. You dog hates

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Speaker 5: the mailman every single time nail un comes. Give your

524
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Speaker 5: dog hot dogs? Oh wow, every single time? Okay, kind

525
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Speaker 5: I like the mailman. Now he's not trying to break

526
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Speaker 5: into my home, not getting yelled at. Geta.

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Speaker 2: Let's hear it for Wiener therapy always works.

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Speaker 5: Usually they won't bark if you're not home, okay, usually

529
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Speaker 5: because they don't feel as protected when you're there. It's

530
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Speaker 5: like kids, right when when when you're there, or when

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Speaker 5: let's say your kids go to school and they're super

532
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Speaker 5: well behaved and they come home and they're like black,

533
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Speaker 5: just all the emotions everyone. It's because they're really comfortable

534
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Speaker 5: with you at school. They don't feel as safe, so

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Speaker 5: they're not gonna do that.

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Speaker 7: I'd rather than do that at a home now too.

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Speaker 8: So my sister got a pandemic puppy. They were home

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Speaker 8: with her for a year and a half ish and

539
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Speaker 8: then they both went to work and they moved, and

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Speaker 8: her behavior changed dramatically.

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Speaker 3: They won't They both went back to work and they moved.

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Speaker 8: They moved to a new house. They want to double

543
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Speaker 8: where me now? She cannot be around anybody but about

544
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Speaker 8: four people. She's the sweetest, she's the smarty pants, she's

545
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Speaker 8: the sweetest. If somebody comes over, she wants to rip

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Speaker 8: their face off. How do you even start to work

547
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Speaker 8: on that when she wants to rip somebody's face off.

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Speaker 5: So them going back to work and them moving was

549
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Speaker 5: very traumatic for her all at once. So she is

550
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Speaker 5: kind of still in a fight or flight. So she

551
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Speaker 5: may actually have a chemical imbalance right now.

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Speaker 3: I believe that.

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Speaker 5: So a lot of times, if like I would work

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Speaker 5: with her, I would kind of look for some characteristics

555
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Speaker 5: and say, okay, like your dog made me medication and

556
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Speaker 5: just just for a little bit. A lot of people

557
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Speaker 5: will say, oh, they're on medication, They're gonna be on

558
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Speaker 5: it for life. That's not how I work, Especially like humans,

559
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Speaker 5: you go to therapy, you go on medica, you should

560
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Speaker 5: eventually wean off your body should not need that for life.

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Speaker 5: The goal is to work through these issues. So obviously

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Speaker 5: she's got a lot of anxiety, and she is very

563
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Speaker 5: much so like her cortisol levels are higher than they

564
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Speaker 5: should be, so her brain is like, oh, no, we're

565
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Speaker 5: we're not okay.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, to freak out constantly. Yeah, my god, nothing's so.

567
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Speaker 3: Now I need to stay safe. So I need to

568
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Speaker 3: keep everybody away from me.

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Speaker 8: And then what about approaching dogs you don't know, asking

570
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Speaker 8: for a friend? Are there things that you should and

571
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Speaker 8: should not does.

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Speaker 5: Oh my god, if you say it's okay, my dog

573
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Speaker 5: is friendly, stop it, stop it right now. A lot

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Speaker 5: of times when dogs are like meeting I never do

575
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Speaker 5: face to face meets ever. And this is this is

576
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Speaker 5: actually a whole chapter in the book Socializing Your Dog.

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Speaker 5: We don't do face to face meets, even the friendliest

578
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Speaker 5: of dogs, because that's like going on a blind day

579
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Speaker 5: and just basically coming up to the person and making

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Speaker 5: out with them, Like that would never happen. That would

581
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Speaker 5: be weird, right, But we do with our dogs. You're like, oh,

582
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Speaker 5: is your dog friendly? Oh, let's just go right to

583
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Speaker 5: each other. They both go and do the ying and

584
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Speaker 5: the yang, and they're both smelling each other's butt and

585
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Speaker 5: you're exposing your your neck and that's don't do that

586
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Speaker 5: like that will send like adrenaline to the body.

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Speaker 3: Like Okay, again, we're in fight or flight? Do I

588
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Speaker 3: need to make a decision.

589
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Speaker 5: We're basically asking them within the first five seconds decide

590
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Speaker 5: friend or fell.

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Speaker 3: And what I like to do is go for a

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Speaker 3: pair walk. So, oh is your dog friendly? Yes? But

593
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Speaker 3: can we pair walk together?

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Speaker 5: Can we just give them some time to get used

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Speaker 5: to the fact that there's another dog here, and then

596
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Speaker 5: they can meet each other eventually when they're walking and

597
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Speaker 5: we just slowly as we go get closer and closer

598
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Speaker 5: together and see how they act.

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Speaker 2: Wow. Look, this is why we love Jamie and stop training.

600
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Speaker 2: Your dog is out. It's on Amazon. It's waiting for

601
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Speaker 2: you to buy it. If not for you, someone you

602
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Speaker 2: know would really really love to have this. What a

603
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Speaker 2: great gift. And having you guys here is awesome. Thank you.

604
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, all the socials, how do they follow you? Guys?

605
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Speaker 2: This possum universe is still university is still a thing.

606
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Speaker 5: So we have recently in the last year, I decided

607
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Speaker 5: to write this book and everything has changed.

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Speaker 3: So I decided to now niche down.

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Speaker 5: I really want to just focus on families expecting children,

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Speaker 5: toddlers with their dogs. So I actually started a brand

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Speaker 5: new Instagram. It is at Jamie the Dog Trainer j A.

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Speaker 3: I M E. I spell my name really weird, thanks

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Speaker 3: to my parents.

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Speaker 5: So that is my new Instagram. You can follow me there.

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Speaker 5: John will be taking over Possum University. He has not

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Speaker 5: yet figured out exactly how he wants to take it yet.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's going to be more. We're going to

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Speaker 4: continue to educate people about dogs.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so you're still doing the podcast. Oh that's a no.

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Speaker 3: One took a back burner because I had a new podcast.

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Speaker 2: That's because that podcast you guys did together was awesome.

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Speaker 3: We we should probably start it up again.

623
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Speaker 5: We just have to figure out exactly what John wants

624
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Speaker 5: to do with it, where he wants to take it.

625
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Speaker 5: But we're both on this journey to really find exactly

626
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Speaker 5: what we want to do now. We started this business,

627
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Speaker 5: and we both realize now that we're parents three kids,

628
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Speaker 5: you know, things change, So we want to make sure

629
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Speaker 5: that what we're doing is one hundred percent what we

630
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Speaker 5: want to be doing. So the new podcast for me

631
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Speaker 5: is called pause and pacifiers.

632
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Speaker 2: So so many different ways to uh to uh to

633
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Speaker 2: pipe in. We're gonna do is. We're gonna put it

634
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Speaker 2: upon our socials at Elvis and Elvis drand show, and

635
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Speaker 2: then we'll make sure they know exactly where to go

636
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Speaker 2: find you guys, stop training your dog, Jamie John, thank

637
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Speaker 2: you guys for coming in. Of course, thanks for having us.

638
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Speaker 2: That was awesome, a lot of great feedback, people loving it.

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Speaker 2: How do you feel about dog parks? Oh?

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Speaker 3: I hate him? Okay, It's like.

641
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Speaker 5: It's like going swimming with no lifeguard, Like there's there's

642
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Speaker 5: no referee, and your parents are there, which completely changes that.

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Speaker 5: So like if I brought my dog now again, my

644
00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:35,240
Speaker 5: dogs are mostly dog friendly. Punch doesn't really like anybody

645
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Speaker 5: but the other two like they wouldn't start a problem.

646
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Speaker 5: But like let's say I have a dog who's very

647
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Speaker 5: protective of me or jealous and another dog comes up

648
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Speaker 5: to me, I'm basically just putting my dog in a

649
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Speaker 5: really bad place. And that's where we see a lot

650
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Speaker 5: of dog fights because our parents are there, so we

651
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:51,080
Speaker 5: feel differently than we would daycare. I like daycare. If

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Speaker 5: you go to a good daycare, you have good attendance

653
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Speaker 5: that make sure everybody's safe and there's no you know,

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Speaker 5: bs behavior going on.

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Speaker 3: That's great.

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Speaker 5: I don't dog parks because again there's no one there

657
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Speaker 5: to say, okay, you're at a bounce like you need

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Speaker 5: a break?

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Speaker 2: Wow, Wow again, thank you, you're welcome. I can't bring

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Speaker 2: the topics.

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Speaker 7: And it's like, I know I have a question, but

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Speaker 7: I'll wait a world.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what is it?

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Speaker 7: Well, I wanted to know.

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Speaker 1: So when I was babysitting a dog like years ago,

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Speaker 1: but massive, and the dog loved me. When my sister

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Speaker 1: came over, it attacked her and I had to actually

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Speaker 1: stop the attack from happening. And I was like, well,

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Speaker 1: I don't understand the difference. The dog was so friendly,

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Speaker 1: why is it friendly to me but then not friendly

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Speaker 1: to her? She's a nice person, Like I didn't get it.

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Speaker 2: Your dog didn't know her well?

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Speaker 3: And did you meet the dog when the parents were there?

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Speaker 7: Oh yeah, I knew that yeah for a long time.

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Speaker 5: So to that dog that because his parents weren't there,

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Speaker 5: he may have been like, oh, this person's not supposed

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Speaker 5: to be here.

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Speaker 2: So there could be a lot that goes into that.

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Speaker 5: She could have looked like someone from a traumatic issue,

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Speaker 5: like it could have been a myriad of things. But

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Speaker 5: what I'm thinking is that because the parents weren't there

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Speaker 5: and it was just you and you were alone.

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Speaker 2: It's also you know what should give us the answers

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Speaker 2: that it's like.

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Speaker 3: When I talk to my class, are like, why didn't

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Speaker 3: I think of that?

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Speaker 5: Was like, because you are looking at it in a

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Speaker 5: magnifying glass, and I have no emotional attachment to the situation,

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Speaker 5: Like you absolutely adore your dog, you have all this

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Speaker 5: baggage with them, there's so many emotions, Like I am

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Speaker 5: looking at this from a very logical point of view,

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Speaker 5: and that's why I'm able to give you these answers

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Speaker 5: because it's not my dog.

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Speaker 7: Is there a dog breed you would tell people to

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Speaker 7: stay away from?

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Speaker 2: Oh, be careful.

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Speaker 5: Here, here's the thing, because I know I was listening

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Speaker 5: when you guys are going over like the worst behavior dogs,

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Speaker 5: it's it's very much so again those smarty pants breeds.

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Speaker 5: We want to make sure that we are getting dogs

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Speaker 5: that are behaviorally sound, that they are not the anxious dogs.

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Speaker 5: Now they still deserve love, don't get me wrong, but

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Speaker 5: they're the ones that if your lifestyle can't handle that,

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Speaker 5: like if you aren't able to say, yes, I'm taking

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Speaker 5: this dog on and I'm ready to handle anything they

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Speaker 5: throw at me, don't get that dog. And a lot

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Speaker 5: of people will go for aesthetics or how the dog looks,

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Speaker 5: but in reality you have to really look at like

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Speaker 5: what kind of behaviors are usually stereotyped.

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Speaker 3: To this dog.

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Speaker 2: How much exercise does that dog eat every day?

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Speaker 3: Does exactly yes?

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Speaker 5: And that Now that's not always like perfect either, like

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Speaker 5: you could have, like you know, the Golden Retriever. Everyone's like, oh,

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Speaker 5: Golden Retriever dogs are amazing, right. I've trained a lot

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Speaker 5: of Golden Retriever that also have chemical imbalances due to

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Speaker 5: bad breeding, like brothers and sisters making puppies. That's not

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Speaker 5: supposed to happen, but it has happened because people don't

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Speaker 5: care bad breeding. So you have to be careful. So

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Speaker 5: when you get a purebred dog, you are you are

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Speaker 5: essentially sometimes taking a risk when it comes to genetics.

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Speaker 5: You're not always going to get the perfect dog in

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Speaker 5: the world, So I prefer months.

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Speaker 3: That's my thing. I like the mix.

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Speaker 2: Married again again, Jimmy John, thank you for coming. Stop

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Speaker 2: training your dog is the book? Grab it today, Thanks

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Speaker 2: for coming into