1 00:00:03,480 --> 00:00:06,960 Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of the Dave Pash Podcast. The 2 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:09,840 Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals are coming off their first loss of the season, 3 00:00:10,560 --> 00:00:13,280 Speaker 1: but I've seen the Cowboys now in person after calling 4 00:00:13,280 --> 00:00:16,960 Speaker 1: their game on Sunday against the Minnesota Vikings. I've seen 5 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:19,840 Speaker 1: the Rams twice, obviously against the Cardinals and then a 6 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:23,400 Speaker 1: Thursday night game against the Seahawks. I've seen the Packers 7 00:00:23,640 --> 00:00:26,720 Speaker 1: in person against the Cardinals. Of the four teams with 8 00:00:26,800 --> 00:00:30,080 Speaker 1: one loss in the NFL, I still feel that if 9 00:00:30,120 --> 00:00:33,080 Speaker 1: the Cardinals are whole, they're the best team. Doesn't mean 10 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:36,040 Speaker 1: they're going to win the Super Bowl, but watching these 11 00:00:36,159 --> 00:00:40,000 Speaker 1: teams in person just gives me the perspective of the 12 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:44,160 Speaker 1: Cardinals are better, They're deeper, they're better on both sides 13 00:00:44,159 --> 00:00:47,640 Speaker 1: of the ball, and Kyler Murray is still deep in 14 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:51,519 Speaker 1: the MVP conversation. The Dave Pash Podcast is presented by 15 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:54,880 Speaker 1: bet MGM, the official sports betting partner of the Arizona Cardinals, 16 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:58,760 Speaker 1: and by Hila River Hotels and Casinos. Today's guest on 17 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:03,600 Speaker 1: the Dave Pash Podcast is NBC Sports Mike Tarco, longtime 18 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:07,040 Speaker 1: ESPN and ABC announcer. He's been at NBC now for 19 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:09,759 Speaker 1: a while doing a number of things, play by play 20 00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:13,080 Speaker 1: on Notre Dame, NFL play by play, hosting Football Night 21 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:16,640 Speaker 1: in America, the Olympics, hockey, you name it, Mike tarco 22 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:19,399 Speaker 1: has done it. We have a great conversation about his 23 00:01:19,520 --> 00:01:24,200 Speaker 1: broadcasting background, his mentors, and also why he's been a 24 00:01:24,240 --> 00:01:27,319 Speaker 1: mentor to me and helping me in my broadcast career. 25 00:01:27,760 --> 00:01:30,679 Speaker 1: Mich will also give his thoughts on the Arizona Cardinals 26 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:32,880 Speaker 1: and Kyler Murray and if he's a believer in the 27 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:36,080 Speaker 1: Cardinals for being a potential Super Bowl team this year, 28 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:40,080 Speaker 1: and Mike reveals his top broadcasting moments from his career. 29 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:46,720 Speaker 1: So here he is NBC Sports Mike Tarrico. So Mike, 30 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:49,120 Speaker 1: let's start first of all by just tell everybody what 31 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:51,040 Speaker 1: this week is like, because I know every week for 32 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:53,280 Speaker 1: you is different. You're doing so many different things. What's 33 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:57,040 Speaker 1: this week looking like for you? It's about twenty percent 34 00:01:57,080 --> 00:01:59,880 Speaker 1: of your week. So that's okay. I'm not a dave 35 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:02,639 Speaker 1: past schedule anymore. I'll leave it to you young guys. 36 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:08,200 Speaker 1: This week we have Navy against Notre Dame in South Bend. 37 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:11,880 Speaker 1: But I'm also a trustee at Syracuse and we have 38 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:13,400 Speaker 1: a board of trustees meeting, so I'm going to be 39 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:15,959 Speaker 1: heading up to Syracuse for a few days, spend time 40 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:19,040 Speaker 1: on campus, then head to South Bend. Unfortunately, I've seen 41 00:02:19,040 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 1: the Irish back to back week, so we three in 42 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:23,600 Speaker 1: a Rosa will be easy. We'll take care of Davut 43 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:25,560 Speaker 1: and then they get to town on Friday and then 44 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:30,360 Speaker 1: after the game Saturday head to probably New York or 45 00:02:30,639 --> 00:02:33,520 Speaker 1: Connecticut for Football nine in America. At some point in there, 46 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:35,520 Speaker 1: I'm thinking about trying to squeeze in a quick run 47 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:38,720 Speaker 1: to Chicago to my daughter's parents weekend cheese in college 48 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:42,480 Speaker 1: in Chicago Land area. So as you live as we live, 49 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:46,560 Speaker 1: these weeks are never the same. They're always hectic and 50 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:48,639 Speaker 1: they're blast and then Sunday we'll do Football nine in 51 00:02:48,639 --> 00:02:51,880 Speaker 1: America with Dungee and Breeze and Chris Sims and Maria 52 00:02:51,919 --> 00:02:54,760 Speaker 1: Taylor and that crew, and then then start the hampsto 53 00:02:54,840 --> 00:02:57,200 Speaker 1: reel back up again on Monday. So obviously you were 54 00:02:57,240 --> 00:02:59,600 Speaker 1: working last night and I ended up doing that game 55 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:02,639 Speaker 1: for what Wood. So we both watched Cooper Rush and 56 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:07,520 Speaker 1: what he accomplished. And look with Dak Prescott, my clearly 57 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:11,400 Speaker 1: they are a great team, but it seems like with 58 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:13,720 Speaker 1: Cooper Rush. Maybe they can hang on depending on how 59 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:16,359 Speaker 1: long Deck's going to be out enough, certainly in the 60 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:18,560 Speaker 1: NFC East, to stay atop that division. What are your 61 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:20,560 Speaker 1: thoughts on kind of where the Cowboys are right now? 62 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:23,480 Speaker 1: That's it. I think they can they can hang on enough. 63 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:26,960 Speaker 1: I believe that what your number two quarterback needs to 64 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:31,960 Speaker 1: do is be able to win two out of four games. 65 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:34,680 Speaker 1: You know, just have somebody there who can get you 66 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:37,480 Speaker 1: maybe three and one. Like when Breeze was heard the 67 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:39,320 Speaker 1: last couple of years with the Saint Scott out of 68 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:42,920 Speaker 1: Teddy Bridgewater and then James Winston, you just said, need 69 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:46,200 Speaker 1: to have somebody who can do that for you, because 70 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:50,640 Speaker 1: especially Nowaday, given how much quarterbacks are running. But you've 71 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:53,600 Speaker 1: watched this evolution doing college games and then get into 72 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:57,120 Speaker 1: NFL games. Right, the college stuff, the Thursday and Saturday 73 00:03:57,200 --> 00:04:00,640 Speaker 1: stuff is showing up on Sundays. They are big, growing, faster, 74 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:03,400 Speaker 1: defensive players who hurt guys a lot quicker. There are 75 00:04:03,480 --> 00:04:07,520 Speaker 1: more hits, more contact, more injuries in the NFL. Because 76 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:11,480 Speaker 1: of that, and because quarterbacks are running far higher percentage 77 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:13,240 Speaker 1: than they used to. I think you need a guy 78 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:14,960 Speaker 1: who can save you a couple of games. That Cooper 79 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 1: Rush helped save the Cowboys the game on Sunday night. 80 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:20,760 Speaker 1: He threw for over three hundred yards. He looked like 81 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:22,880 Speaker 1: he'd been in the system for three or four years, 82 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:26,240 Speaker 1: and he executed the system and when it came down 83 00:04:26,279 --> 00:04:29,920 Speaker 1: to gotta have it drive, as Chris collins Worth said, 84 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:32,320 Speaker 1: like one of those lifetime moments or Cooper Rush. He 85 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:35,240 Speaker 1: came through just like Mike White did for the Jets 86 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:37,960 Speaker 1: with over four hundred yards. I think Dave one of 87 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 1: the biggest mistakes the NFL has made in the last 88 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:43,920 Speaker 1: couple of years. He's not mandating that the third quarterback 89 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:47,560 Speaker 1: to be active for every game. And more importantly of 90 00:04:47,680 --> 00:04:51,040 Speaker 1: that third quarterback is a young developmental guys, second year, 91 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:53,880 Speaker 1: third year guy you are going to allow to develop 92 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:56,320 Speaker 1: because five or six teams a year of loose third 93 00:04:56,360 --> 00:04:59,320 Speaker 1: quarterback for significant stretches. So you want to have continuity 94 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:01,560 Speaker 1: of play. When but he's in the system, they can 95 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:04,440 Speaker 1: step in and perform and play. Not the level of starter. 96 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:06,599 Speaker 1: Hoop Rush has been there a while. If you watched 97 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:10,440 Speaker 1: Hard Knot and his knowledge of the systems comforted with 98 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:13,000 Speaker 1: what was going on. Is the reason that they're still 99 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:15,719 Speaker 1: sitting on one loss as we turn the calendar to November, 100 00:05:15,839 --> 00:05:17,919 Speaker 1: and when you look at the injury situation here with 101 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:20,360 Speaker 1: the Cardinals, we don't know yet about Kyler and whether 102 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:22,240 Speaker 1: he's going to be able to go Sunday. If he 103 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:25,240 Speaker 1: weren't able to play, obviously, you'd be Cole McCoy. And 104 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:28,520 Speaker 1: then Chris Travelers your backup. I know you're dialed in 105 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:30,000 Speaker 1: on everything. I don't know how much though you've got 106 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:32,800 Speaker 1: a chance to really watch the Cardinals. But based on 107 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:37,599 Speaker 1: what you've seen, are you a believer? Yes? Absolutely, the 108 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:41,839 Speaker 1: Cardinals get your attention. So we'll sit in a room 109 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:45,680 Speaker 1: on Sundays and watch the NFL games and the Cardinals. Obviously, 110 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:48,359 Speaker 1: because the time zonner usually in the late window, we 111 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:51,760 Speaker 1: watched all the early games. So there are nine screens 112 00:05:51,839 --> 00:05:55,279 Speaker 1: up and there are maybe twelve of us in a 113 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:58,080 Speaker 1: pretty large room. But I'm sitting with Drew Brees to 114 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:00,880 Speaker 1: my right, Tony Dungee to my left, to myself because 115 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 1: you're sitting by one Hall of famer and a future 116 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:07,080 Speaker 1: Hall of famer. A coaching question, defense question, question about 117 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:09,960 Speaker 1: quarterback play offenses, you get an answered, just do by 118 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:12,600 Speaker 1: going like this, And then Chris Sims is in the 119 00:06:12,680 --> 00:06:14,440 Speaker 1: room and Sims is into the film every day and 120 00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:16,920 Speaker 1: all that stuff. So with all of us in the room, 121 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:20,320 Speaker 1: we pretty much have an eye on every game. And 122 00:06:21,320 --> 00:06:23,800 Speaker 1: there's more, Hey, look at the Cardinals. Hey Kyler, Kyler's 123 00:06:23,839 --> 00:06:27,720 Speaker 1: doing this. Kyler's doing that. And I think the less 124 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:31,839 Speaker 1: circus plays and the more picking out those moments that 125 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:34,000 Speaker 1: he's gonna do, it's going to keep him healthier and 126 00:06:34,120 --> 00:06:36,720 Speaker 1: keep him around for when you need him to make 127 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:40,080 Speaker 1: those circus plays in December and January. I think Russell 128 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 1: Wilson and Aaron Rodgers are the two mobile quarterbacks different 129 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:47,760 Speaker 1: levels of mobility, who have shown these young quarterbacks like 130 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:51,160 Speaker 1: Kyler Murray, there's a template out there to use your speed, 131 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:54,040 Speaker 1: your elusiveness, your ability to throw on the run. You 132 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:57,120 Speaker 1: use those sidelines to use that slide, use those rules, man, 133 00:06:57,200 --> 00:06:59,280 Speaker 1: and Kyler has done a pretty good job to this 134 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:01,160 Speaker 1: point of it, and that's going to be important to 135 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:03,279 Speaker 1: keep it going. But I love that this team has. 136 00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:06,159 Speaker 1: I love the talent that's been built on both sides. Obviously, 137 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:08,960 Speaker 1: the jj W want injuries a bummer, but there are 138 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:10,560 Speaker 1: people they are on both sides of the ball, and 139 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:13,600 Speaker 1: they've restopped this Steve Time has restocked this thing really 140 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:16,640 Speaker 1: well in a short period of time, and I think 141 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:18,760 Speaker 1: they're staying power to stay with the Rams in the 142 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:22,400 Speaker 1: NFC West, no doubt. I agree, And I'm I know 143 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:24,680 Speaker 1: people probably think, well, you have to say that, but 144 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:26,840 Speaker 1: I think most people know twenty years are doing this. 145 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:29,360 Speaker 1: I'm pretty fair like I'm a fan when things aren't 146 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:31,520 Speaker 1: going well, I wear it on my sleeves that the 147 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:36,360 Speaker 1: listeners can certainly sense that. But I feel Mike, you know, 148 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:38,800 Speaker 1: I've seen Dallas now in person. I've seen the Rams 149 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:41,840 Speaker 1: twice in person, and obviously saw Green Bay Thursday against 150 00:07:41,880 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 1: the Cardinals. I still feel like when the Cardinals are whole, 151 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:48,040 Speaker 1: they're the best team. It doesn't mean they're gonna win it, 152 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:50,920 Speaker 1: but I feel like their roster is the best in 153 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:53,239 Speaker 1: the NFL. And part of that has to do with Kyler. 154 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:54,720 Speaker 1: If he keeps playing the way he is, he's going 155 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:57,920 Speaker 1: to be. In the MVP conversation, you're right when you 156 00:07:58,040 --> 00:08:00,280 Speaker 1: get to see the other really good teams in and 157 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:03,600 Speaker 1: you walk away with a good feel for if your 158 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:06,640 Speaker 1: team can hang there week in week out. And I'm 159 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:08,320 Speaker 1: glad you said it the way you said it, because 160 00:08:08,840 --> 00:08:12,640 Speaker 1: yes you can. We can I don't know what you think. 161 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:15,120 Speaker 1: If you've done a bunch of Syracuse games, you obviously 162 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:17,559 Speaker 1: if you've got twenty years of Cardinal Syracuse as your school, 163 00:08:17,560 --> 00:08:21,560 Speaker 1: it's my school. Um, there's a there's a different feel 164 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:24,360 Speaker 1: when you're calling a game for a team that you 165 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:27,560 Speaker 1: will root for when you're not doing their games. And 166 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:30,720 Speaker 1: we can do that. We can stop if if somebody 167 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:33,760 Speaker 1: can play football against their brother and tackle their brother 168 00:08:33,800 --> 00:08:37,600 Speaker 1: and hit them right physically, do harm to your you know, 169 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:40,880 Speaker 1: your same DNA essentially right. If you can do that, 170 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:44,600 Speaker 1: we can put aside our loyalty or our fandom for 171 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:46,840 Speaker 1: three and a half hours in calling down the road 172 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:50,880 Speaker 1: or down the middle and be even. Um. I think 173 00:08:50,920 --> 00:08:53,720 Speaker 1: when we do that, we see the flaws of the 174 00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:56,360 Speaker 1: team that we care about the most. I used to 175 00:08:56,360 --> 00:08:58,440 Speaker 1: remember doing Syracuse games back in the old Big East 176 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:02,360 Speaker 1: days of basketball. I could see syraciss flaws which helped 177 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:05,440 Speaker 1: me know when they had a good team. And you 178 00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:07,520 Speaker 1: are in that same boat, I think with the Cardinals, 179 00:09:07,559 --> 00:09:10,560 Speaker 1: because you want to know if the Cardinals really good, 180 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:14,200 Speaker 1: you can be honest with your listeners, and I think 181 00:09:14,280 --> 00:09:16,720 Speaker 1: you're right on. I think they're good. I like what 182 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:19,800 Speaker 1: Dallas has. I really do like what Green Bay has. 183 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:22,520 Speaker 1: Remember the Green Bay has been to the lip of 184 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:25,760 Speaker 1: the Cup, They've been to the championship game twice in 185 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:29,439 Speaker 1: a row. And the pieces may not be as talented, 186 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:31,360 Speaker 1: but they've come a little bit of something about them 187 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:33,760 Speaker 1: when Aaron brings that group together. You all saw that 188 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:37,079 Speaker 1: in person on Thursday nights. So I think I think 189 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 1: they and the Rams and Dallas are going to be 190 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:43,080 Speaker 1: the top of the list of tough outs. But certainly 191 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:45,360 Speaker 1: this is a team that belongs in the conversation, is 192 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:47,840 Speaker 1: going to stay in that conversation with them the entire way. 193 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:50,480 Speaker 1: And they're not for good Tampa obviously the simple chance, 194 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:53,320 Speaker 1: So let's not forget those guys. I think their roster 195 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:56,440 Speaker 1: is talented too. But you see when Gronk is hurt, 196 00:09:56,720 --> 00:09:59,920 Speaker 1: right and they're hurting on the back end, their vulner 197 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:03,400 Speaker 1: their roster compared to the New Orleans roster, it doesn't 198 00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:06,560 Speaker 1: match up right now. But New Orleans defensively got after them, 199 00:10:07,040 --> 00:10:10,040 Speaker 1: and they couldn't stay with New Orleans on the edges 200 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:12,160 Speaker 1: with the corners. And it's in the run game and 201 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:15,600 Speaker 1: the past game. So five terrific teams in the NFC 202 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:17,640 Speaker 1: pretty much I've only lost to each other, so I 203 00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:19,160 Speaker 1: think it's gonna make it a really good second half 204 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:21,000 Speaker 1: of the season. Well, look, Mike, one of the reasons 205 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:22,880 Speaker 1: I wanted to get you on was to talk football, 206 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:25,480 Speaker 1: but I also want to talk about you. I want 207 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:27,800 Speaker 1: to talk about broadcasting. I want to talk about our 208 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:31,840 Speaker 1: friendship because I've known you since I was a freshman 209 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:35,000 Speaker 1: at Syracuse. You were doing at the time local television 210 00:10:35,040 --> 00:10:39,000 Speaker 1: at Syracuse and like the next year you got to ESPN. 211 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 1: I remember one year I'm talking to you and you're 212 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:44,839 Speaker 1: a reporter at a local TV station. The next year 213 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:47,520 Speaker 1: I'm watching you hosting Sports Center, and then obviously you 214 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:49,520 Speaker 1: took off and it become, you know, one of the 215 00:10:49,520 --> 00:10:53,319 Speaker 1: greatest broadcasters of all time. And one thing that's always 216 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:55,360 Speaker 1: stood out to me because man, you you have been 217 00:10:55,480 --> 00:10:58,040 Speaker 1: so impactful. You're one of my mentors, and you've always 218 00:10:58,040 --> 00:11:03,040 Speaker 1: been there for me. You've always been supportive of young broadcasters, 219 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:07,560 Speaker 1: and I'm curious, was there somebody particular that mentored you, 220 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:12,440 Speaker 1: that gave back and put into you that you said, 221 00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:14,760 Speaker 1: you know, I want to do the same thing for 222 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:17,520 Speaker 1: guys like me. Well, it's nice you to say thank you. 223 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:20,000 Speaker 1: I appreciate. I appreciate all of that. You know. I 224 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:22,400 Speaker 1: think the world that you two pounds. So proud of you. 225 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:25,040 Speaker 1: Every time I hear you're doing a game, I'm just like, man, 226 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:26,880 Speaker 1: it's one of our one of our guys. It's part 227 00:11:26,920 --> 00:11:30,960 Speaker 1: of the family. You know. There were some people like 228 00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:34,400 Speaker 1: Dick Stockton and Bob Costas and Marv Albert who came 229 00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:39,200 Speaker 1: back to Syracuse and shared a little bit of insight 230 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:41,000 Speaker 1: of what the industry was like for all of us 231 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:43,439 Speaker 1: as students. I always wanted to be the guy who 232 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:45,720 Speaker 1: came back was able to do that at some point 233 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:48,640 Speaker 1: down the road. Just a little bit of that. But 234 00:11:48,720 --> 00:11:51,360 Speaker 1: it's also a little bit of the college radio station 235 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:55,480 Speaker 1: that we worked at, WAER Radio, where all the names 236 00:11:55,520 --> 00:11:59,000 Speaker 1: I just mentioned and hundreds, I mean hundreds of others, 237 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:02,760 Speaker 1: including people outside of the sports realm like Ted Copple 238 00:12:02,840 --> 00:12:05,720 Speaker 1: and Dick Clark, Dave's now part of the Hall of 239 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:10,200 Speaker 1: Fame and Waar for his great career. You know, that 240 00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:12,640 Speaker 1: sports department. We had a bunch of people who went 241 00:12:12,679 --> 00:12:16,240 Speaker 1: on to be successful in the business. And Sean McDonough 242 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:19,720 Speaker 1: and great Papa who has been a long time voice 243 00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:21,640 Speaker 1: in the Bay Area with the Raiders and now the Niners. 244 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:23,920 Speaker 1: Those guys when they would come back to town, they 245 00:12:23,920 --> 00:12:26,839 Speaker 1: would share with us, and I always wanted to be 246 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:29,520 Speaker 1: that person to be able to do that, and that 247 00:12:29,640 --> 00:12:33,400 Speaker 1: kind of grew into a love of our industry and 248 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:36,120 Speaker 1: seeing an industry where we can root for each other, 249 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:38,679 Speaker 1: you know. And we've been lucky because all of us 250 00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:42,600 Speaker 1: jumped into the radio TV world covering sports at a 251 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:47,240 Speaker 1: time when ESPN Crew and regional sports grew and now 252 00:12:47,320 --> 00:12:51,480 Speaker 1: digital platforms, so turkeys field hockey games are on TV 253 00:12:51,920 --> 00:12:55,880 Speaker 1: right Arizona State as a great communication school. The kids 254 00:12:55,880 --> 00:13:00,760 Speaker 1: to Cronkite School are broadcasting sporting event today. You know, 255 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:04,600 Speaker 1: Big Big ten Network, PAC twelve network, there's Student Involvement 256 00:13:04,679 --> 00:13:08,200 Speaker 1: ACC Network. So the think continues to grow so we 257 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:11,600 Speaker 1: don't have to be fighting over the same jobs. There 258 00:13:11,640 --> 00:13:13,560 Speaker 1: are a lot more jobs out there than there used 259 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:16,480 Speaker 1: to be. And I just enjoy being able to share 260 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:18,560 Speaker 1: a little bit of my experience with folks and kind 261 00:13:18,559 --> 00:13:20,560 Speaker 1: of give back because I felt like along the way 262 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:23,080 Speaker 1: people were really kind to a kid in his twenties 263 00:13:23,280 --> 00:13:25,320 Speaker 1: to know what the heck he was doing to help 264 00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:27,640 Speaker 1: me out. So that's what I love to do. Why 265 00:13:27,679 --> 00:13:30,280 Speaker 1: I love to do it, and I enjoy seeing the 266 00:13:30,280 --> 00:13:33,360 Speaker 1: next generation come on and come through and just not 267 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:35,240 Speaker 1: ready to kick us out the door just yet, but 268 00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:37,160 Speaker 1: pretty soon they will, and they'll be doing it better 269 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:40,840 Speaker 1: than we are for sure. When I got the Syracuse 270 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:43,959 Speaker 1: radio job, you and Sean mcdonneh were part of the 271 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:47,160 Speaker 1: group that got me hired. There were several other Syracuse 272 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:49,000 Speaker 1: people in the mix, and you know, eventually got the 273 00:13:49,040 --> 00:13:51,199 Speaker 1: job and I got to work with you and Sean 274 00:13:51,320 --> 00:13:53,560 Speaker 1: and Marv Albert and cost Us and call a game 275 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:56,120 Speaker 1: with you guys, which was an incredible experience. And I 276 00:13:56,160 --> 00:14:00,320 Speaker 1: get to ESPN and again you and McDonough were the 277 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:02,719 Speaker 1: two guys who were always kind of you'd see me 278 00:14:02,880 --> 00:14:05,480 Speaker 1: doing the great outdoor games or a softball game, you'd 279 00:14:05,520 --> 00:14:07,439 Speaker 1: hit me, hey, keep it up, man. You guys were 280 00:14:07,760 --> 00:14:09,280 Speaker 1: best my chops a little bit, but for the most 281 00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:13,720 Speaker 1: part it was encouraging. But the phone call that I 282 00:14:13,760 --> 00:14:17,160 Speaker 1: will never forget because it probably in a lot of 283 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:21,760 Speaker 1: ways shaped my broadcast career was the phone call that 284 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:25,120 Speaker 1: I got in two thousand and six after the first 285 00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:28,600 Speaker 1: game that I did with Bill Walton. You were Bill's 286 00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:32,080 Speaker 1: partner on NBA. Was you Bill and John Barry, and 287 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:35,840 Speaker 1: you were doing Monday night football, so you couldn't do 288 00:14:35,880 --> 00:14:38,320 Speaker 1: all the games, all the Wednesday games in November. So 289 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:40,320 Speaker 1: they needed somebody to do a handful of games or 290 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:42,840 Speaker 1: ten games. And so it was my first year and 291 00:14:43,040 --> 00:14:45,720 Speaker 1: the first time I worked with John and Bill. JB 292 00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:47,880 Speaker 1: pulls me a sign and says, hey, you have to 293 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:50,840 Speaker 1: ask me questions because if you don't, I'll never get in. 294 00:14:51,320 --> 00:14:53,280 Speaker 1: So that was the first thing. I was like, okay, 295 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:55,520 Speaker 1: and I remembered Bill growing up watching them on NBC. 296 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:57,560 Speaker 1: But then I did a game with Bill a few 297 00:14:57,600 --> 00:15:01,280 Speaker 1: months later and Lebron took his head band off and 298 00:15:01,400 --> 00:15:04,240 Speaker 1: threw it towards the bench and he started going off 299 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:06,000 Speaker 1: that it's a technical foul, and I just let him go. 300 00:15:06,040 --> 00:15:07,480 Speaker 1: And I don't know if you remember this. You called 301 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:10,120 Speaker 1: me like the next day and said, man, you have 302 00:15:10,280 --> 00:15:12,200 Speaker 1: to stop him. That's what you told me. You have 303 00:15:12,320 --> 00:15:15,640 Speaker 1: to stop him. That's your job. I never forgot that 304 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:17,760 Speaker 1: because when they paired us back together doing the pack 305 00:15:17,800 --> 00:15:20,800 Speaker 1: twelve games, I always remembered Mike, which you said, you 306 00:15:20,880 --> 00:15:23,920 Speaker 1: have to stop him, and look, you can do any sport. 307 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:26,680 Speaker 1: You're great. The thing that has always stood out to 308 00:15:26,680 --> 00:15:30,840 Speaker 1: me Mike, about you is how you work with various analysts. 309 00:15:30,880 --> 00:15:32,400 Speaker 1: What do you think is the key to that? Because 310 00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:34,400 Speaker 1: you've worked with Bill Wall and you're working now with 311 00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:37,200 Speaker 1: Drew Brees, who's a rookie broadcaster, hasn't done this before. 312 00:15:37,720 --> 00:15:41,680 Speaker 1: What's the key to that, Dave? I think we have 313 00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:46,800 Speaker 1: a job, and it's our profession to be announcers, journalists, hosts, 314 00:15:46,800 --> 00:15:48,160 Speaker 1: who ever you want to call us, depending on the 315 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:51,840 Speaker 1: moment in the role. I think the analysts this is 316 00:15:51,880 --> 00:15:55,840 Speaker 1: their really third profession because they were either players or coaches, 317 00:15:56,320 --> 00:15:58,880 Speaker 1: and then they decided to get into the media, and 318 00:15:58,920 --> 00:16:01,080 Speaker 1: now they're in the TV side of the media, and 319 00:16:01,640 --> 00:16:04,040 Speaker 1: they don't certainly have the area of expertise that we 320 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:06,720 Speaker 1: should have. We should have more than Malcolm Gladwell ten 321 00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:09,200 Speaker 1: thousand hours of experience on the air than they did. 322 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:12,160 Speaker 1: That doesn't mean that they don't have that, but that's 323 00:16:12,160 --> 00:16:15,960 Speaker 1: maybe the core answer to your question of trying to 324 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:18,160 Speaker 1: connect with different analysts. I feel like I've got a 325 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:22,240 Speaker 1: moreph what I do to the person who is sitting 326 00:16:22,280 --> 00:16:27,840 Speaker 1: next to me. Man woman, first year, twentieth year. You know, 327 00:16:28,080 --> 00:16:31,040 Speaker 1: grew up in an IVY League, Ivy League educated house, 328 00:16:31,400 --> 00:16:32,880 Speaker 1: grew up in a house where they were the first 329 00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:34,840 Speaker 1: gend to go to college, didn't go to college. Whatever 330 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:37,280 Speaker 1: it is, we've got to sit next to that person 331 00:16:37,360 --> 00:16:41,440 Speaker 1: and make them the best version of an expert that 332 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:45,280 Speaker 1: they can be given the night the game, What experiences 333 00:16:45,280 --> 00:16:48,680 Speaker 1: in their lives are germane to the audience, and I 334 00:16:48,760 --> 00:16:50,440 Speaker 1: just feel like we have to change our game. I 335 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:54,560 Speaker 1: think it's been a little bit different than NBC. But 336 00:16:54,720 --> 00:16:57,680 Speaker 1: I'll give you this. I'll do some games with Chris 337 00:16:57,720 --> 00:17:01,640 Speaker 1: Collinsworth and have the last couple of years. I probably 338 00:17:01,680 --> 00:17:03,360 Speaker 1: approached the game a little bit differently when I'm with 339 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:06,560 Speaker 1: Chris than when I'm Withdrew or with Tony Dungee, who 340 00:17:06,600 --> 00:17:08,760 Speaker 1: did the nerd name games last year but hadn't done 341 00:17:08,760 --> 00:17:11,600 Speaker 1: games in the booth. But Tony knows eight thousand times 342 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:16,960 Speaker 1: more football than I've ever imagine knowing. But Tony's different personality. 343 00:17:17,040 --> 00:17:19,560 Speaker 1: Chris and different personality. Drews a different personality. So I 344 00:17:19,560 --> 00:17:22,280 Speaker 1: think it's up to us. I'm sure you know with 345 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:26,680 Speaker 1: Wolf you're different than maybe you are when when you're 346 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:30,280 Speaker 1: doing an ESPN college football game with the various partners 347 00:17:30,280 --> 00:17:32,600 Speaker 1: you've done, just like you do a game with Walton 348 00:17:32,880 --> 00:17:35,000 Speaker 1: if you know you end up with Darris Burke during 349 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:37,359 Speaker 1: a game, you do your job a very different way 350 00:17:37,400 --> 00:17:40,080 Speaker 1: because they're drastically different people. But we have to be 351 00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:42,520 Speaker 1: point guards. We have to give them the ball where 352 00:17:42,560 --> 00:17:45,600 Speaker 1: they like it, get out of their way. And with Walton, 353 00:17:45,800 --> 00:17:48,240 Speaker 1: I learned that the hard way. I'd sit there and 354 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:50,879 Speaker 1: Bill would just go and he just go, what are 355 00:17:50,920 --> 00:17:53,840 Speaker 1: we doing? The producers got to show the viewers and 356 00:17:53,960 --> 00:17:56,800 Speaker 1: Bill is just he's in Bill world, and you've got 357 00:17:56,880 --> 00:18:00,159 Speaker 1: a good grab him. And when you do it, and 358 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:03,199 Speaker 1: you've you've become the best to do in this like 359 00:18:03,280 --> 00:18:05,119 Speaker 1: better than anybody I've seen do it when you just 360 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:08,400 Speaker 1: got to do it in a loving way. Bill's grateful 361 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:11,080 Speaker 1: that you do it. I mean, you kind of get 362 00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:12,840 Speaker 1: him back to the game every once in a while, 363 00:18:13,119 --> 00:18:15,800 Speaker 1: but you give him the space to have the canvas 364 00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:19,760 Speaker 1: to be so enjoyable. My son goes to school, to 365 00:18:19,800 --> 00:18:23,239 Speaker 1: pac twelfth school, and we're watching it and he's like, 366 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:27,240 Speaker 1: oh my gosh, this is insane. Does he ever talk 367 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:29,960 Speaker 1: about the game. And then like a year later, it's 368 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:34,399 Speaker 1: like it's hysterical And I watch in UCLA play Oregon 369 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:38,320 Speaker 1: State for no reason except Bill Walton. So that's the 370 00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:40,960 Speaker 1: thing that becomes our responsibility to make that happen. And 371 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:43,960 Speaker 1: you've crushed that. It's been fun to listen to. You've 372 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:47,480 Speaker 1: covered and called everything. So this is probably and I 373 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:50,840 Speaker 1: get asked this too, I have not done the level 374 00:18:50,920 --> 00:18:53,399 Speaker 1: of events that you have because you've done so many. 375 00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:55,919 Speaker 1: You haven't done just the stick and ball sports. You've 376 00:18:55,960 --> 00:18:58,639 Speaker 1: done everything. But do you have a favorite moment or 377 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:01,560 Speaker 1: a few favorite moments that stand out in your career 378 00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:04,680 Speaker 1: that you've been a part of. Absolutely, Like there's one 379 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:08,040 Speaker 1: really parochial one that is no big deal, I think 380 00:19:08,080 --> 00:19:13,280 Speaker 1: to folks, but Syracuse two Syracuse games, doing a Syracuse 381 00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:16,800 Speaker 1: basketball game at the Big East Tournament at Matsison Square Gardens, 382 00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:18,600 Speaker 1: sitting in center courts. You got a chance to do 383 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:21,920 Speaker 1: some of those two swire school. I grew up in 384 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:24,959 Speaker 1: New York City. Madison Square Gardens my building that's like 385 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:28,080 Speaker 1: the mecca of basketball, and we got to sit for 386 00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:32,120 Speaker 1: multiple years right at mid court, the best possible seat 387 00:19:32,119 --> 00:19:34,639 Speaker 1: Madison Square Garden, a seat that I never dreamed of 388 00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:37,720 Speaker 1: sitting in. I got to sit there two times of 389 00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:39,639 Speaker 1: Bill Raftery, a bunch of times with Lenny Elmore, like 390 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:43,480 Speaker 1: you did and call my alma mater in my favorite 391 00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:46,640 Speaker 1: basketball arena in one of the great tournaments in college 392 00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:49,040 Speaker 1: basketball when it existed, the Big East Tournament. Like those 393 00:19:49,080 --> 00:19:51,320 Speaker 1: those are cool? I do the Syracuse Notre Dame game 394 00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:54,119 Speaker 1: in Yankee Stadium, like seriously, Like it's Notre Dame in 395 00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:56,679 Speaker 1: Yankee Stadium. That was the thirties of the forties against 396 00:19:56,760 --> 00:19:59,160 Speaker 1: Army and all these legends, and that was a Top 397 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:02,120 Speaker 1: twenty matchup. Notre Dame kicked Syracuses button. I was calling 398 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:05,080 Speaker 1: the Notre Dame on NBC game, but still it was 399 00:20:05,119 --> 00:20:10,359 Speaker 1: a great experience. The two that stick out for really 400 00:20:10,359 --> 00:20:15,400 Speaker 1: the same essential reason. One is September two thousand and six, 401 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:19,840 Speaker 1: the Saints returned to the Superdome the Katrina game against Atlanta. 402 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:22,720 Speaker 1: Michael Vick and the Falcons go three and out. They 403 00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:27,080 Speaker 1: punched the ball. Steve Gleason blocks, Curtis DeLoach scores. It's 404 00:20:27,119 --> 00:20:31,159 Speaker 1: fifty six weeks after Hurricane Katrina, the last time the 405 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:33,760 Speaker 1: significant number of people were in that Dome. It was 406 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:37,200 Speaker 1: truly a place of last resort, trying to just survive 407 00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:41,320 Speaker 1: from the hurricane. And the hole was cut the Superdome, 408 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:44,240 Speaker 1: the roof, the skin peeled off, all of that, and 409 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:47,439 Speaker 1: then fifty six weeks later it was Euphoria and it 410 00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:52,159 Speaker 1: was important to me because that night cemented in me 411 00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:57,280 Speaker 1: forever the value of sports, like sports matters. You know, 412 00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:03,000 Speaker 1: the symphony in Phoenix, I'm sure it's incredible, the ballet 413 00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:07,280 Speaker 1: is probably world class. They're not running around with Phoenix 414 00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:11,200 Speaker 1: or Arizona on their tuxedos or their ballet costumes. But 415 00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:13,639 Speaker 1: the Cardinals are running around with Arizona, and so are 416 00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:16,840 Speaker 1: the d Backs, you know, and that matters. That is 417 00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:20,800 Speaker 1: a civic connection, and it's only through sports in a 418 00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:23,880 Speaker 1: way unlike anything else in our country. And that night 419 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:27,240 Speaker 1: New Orleans told the world that one of the great 420 00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:30,680 Speaker 1: celebratory cities of the world was opened for business again, 421 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:33,080 Speaker 1: and just to be there that night they cemented it 422 00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:35,600 Speaker 1: for me forever. And then the other one. David was 423 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:40,960 Speaker 1: twenty eighteen at the Winter Olympics doing the opening ceremony 424 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:43,040 Speaker 1: with Katie Kirk Like, I'm pinching my stuff, Like what 425 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:45,960 Speaker 1: am I? This is me? It's Katie Kirk is next. 426 00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:49,600 Speaker 1: This is crazy, right, And it's my first Olympic opening ceremony. 427 00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:53,560 Speaker 1: And here come the athletes from North and South Korea 428 00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:57,720 Speaker 1: walking together under one unified flag. And if the North 429 00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:02,080 Speaker 1: Korean athletes one month before or in the four years 430 00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:04,679 Speaker 1: three and a half years since, would be walking in 431 00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:09,560 Speaker 1: South Korea, it would be immediately detained, questioned, and they 432 00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:12,200 Speaker 1: certainly would be sent back back to their home country. 433 00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:16,160 Speaker 1: Those two countries are technically still at war. Those two 434 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:19,800 Speaker 1: countries don't get along. They have a border where obviously 435 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:22,800 Speaker 1: there's always great concern about what's going on the other side. 436 00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:25,920 Speaker 1: But for two and a half weeks they came together 437 00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:29,440 Speaker 1: in the name of sport. That's the only thing that's 438 00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:32,840 Speaker 1: brought North and South Korea together. And to be there 439 00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:37,199 Speaker 1: and to share without our country, that moment happening in 440 00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:39,160 Speaker 1: front of us, and say, here's something you've never seen 441 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:43,560 Speaker 1: before I may never see again, unified Korea, North and 442 00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:46,520 Speaker 1: South coming to compete as one of the Olympics like that, 443 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:50,760 Speaker 1: That to me was a time that I'll never forget. 444 00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:54,280 Speaker 1: And the common connection with both events is that sports matters. 445 00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:56,280 Speaker 1: And you know, you may look at it as the 446 00:22:57,359 --> 00:23:00,720 Speaker 1: toy shop, it's not real. It doesn't change the lives 447 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:03,000 Speaker 1: of your listeners. If the Cardinals win or lose, like 448 00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:05,760 Speaker 1: they're happier or sad, but It doesn't affect the meal 449 00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:07,679 Speaker 1: that they can serve or how much money they have 450 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:11,280 Speaker 1: in their bank account. But man sports matters in a 451 00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:13,600 Speaker 1: certain special way that other things don't, and we're lucky 452 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:16,960 Speaker 1: to be associated with it. Another skill of yours that 453 00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:19,399 Speaker 1: again I think you do as well as anybody in 454 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:23,439 Speaker 1: our business, is when you interview people. Your interview skills 455 00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:25,960 Speaker 1: the answers you get out of people, and part of 456 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:28,280 Speaker 1: that is whether you're hosting or doing a one on 457 00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:31,760 Speaker 1: one sit down. Is there a person that is a 458 00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:35,400 Speaker 1: more memorable interview to you than others? Maybe somebody that 459 00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:38,800 Speaker 1: is listening today to the podcast that doesn't know much 460 00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:41,960 Speaker 1: about this person, or they think one thing about this person, 461 00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:44,040 Speaker 1: but the reality is over here and you've been able 462 00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:46,560 Speaker 1: to kind of bring that out of somebody. I know 463 00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:50,119 Speaker 1: that's probably a tough question. Yeah, no, no, it is 464 00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:52,840 Speaker 1: a good question because you don't do it all that often. 465 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:57,040 Speaker 1: I give you a really bizarre answer. Lindsay Vaughan, the 466 00:23:57,080 --> 00:24:00,399 Speaker 1: Olympic skier. I was just out to do a file 467 00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:03,320 Speaker 1: on her for the for the Winter Olympics four years ago, 468 00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:07,679 Speaker 1: and we end up doing the profile at the house 469 00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:11,639 Speaker 1: where Lindsay's dad grew up and her grandparents lived as 470 00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:15,679 Speaker 1: like a ski vacation type house and it's where Lindsay 471 00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:18,480 Speaker 1: learned how to ski pretty much, and her grandpa was 472 00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:22,199 Speaker 1: huge in building a little little snow area that she 473 00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:26,000 Speaker 1: was able to learn on that her dad also learned on. Well, 474 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:29,240 Speaker 1: that was the last time Lindsay saw her grandpa, and 475 00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:33,879 Speaker 1: from that moment on, I understood like the fearlessness, the drive, 476 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:39,040 Speaker 1: the competitiveness, yet the fragility of the individual because of that. 477 00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:41,720 Speaker 1: It's it's one of those things that and you kind 478 00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:43,560 Speaker 1: of hit it a little bit there in your question. 479 00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:47,720 Speaker 1: I don't ask that like sixty minutes gotcha question, you know, 480 00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:50,280 Speaker 1: like what did you know and when did you know it? 481 00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:54,600 Speaker 1: I really like to make the other person opposite chair 482 00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:58,680 Speaker 1: feel comfortable. I like to hear hear them to tell 483 00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:01,480 Speaker 1: their story. I think, deep down I'm a curious person. 484 00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:05,080 Speaker 1: I want to know about people and what they do 485 00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:07,399 Speaker 1: and who they are and what makes them tick, what 486 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:11,800 Speaker 1: makes them fearless or special or great. So I would 487 00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:14,879 Speaker 1: say that that is kind of what I try to 488 00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:18,240 Speaker 1: go into things with. I really almost never come in 489 00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:22,240 Speaker 1: with holding a list of questions. I always felt like, 490 00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:24,399 Speaker 1: when you're holding that list of questions, the other person 491 00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:26,760 Speaker 1: feels like they're on the defensive. So I try to 492 00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:29,000 Speaker 1: remember just some themes. Maybe I'll write down a word 493 00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:31,720 Speaker 1: or two to remind me the next topic. And I 494 00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:34,320 Speaker 1: just love sitting there and talking to somebody. I hopefully 495 00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:37,959 Speaker 1: it puts them at ease, gives them the best opportunity 496 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:40,040 Speaker 1: to share a bit of themselves that maybe they otherwise 497 00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:42,240 Speaker 1: wouldn't And we can do that for people that that's 498 00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:43,719 Speaker 1: what we want to do in those interviews, and that's 499 00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:45,680 Speaker 1: what I love to do. All right, back in football 500 00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:47,440 Speaker 1: for a few and then we'll get you out of here. 501 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:51,119 Speaker 1: Now that we have a seventeenth game in the NFL 502 00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:56,399 Speaker 1: and we've had playoff expansion to the level of a 503 00:25:56,440 --> 00:26:00,840 Speaker 1: wildcard team per conference, do you like? Do you do 504 00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:03,399 Speaker 1: you want to see more? Because the ratings obviously are 505 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:06,960 Speaker 1: going to continue to go up, the television revenue is 506 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:10,000 Speaker 1: off the charts. You think we're good with seventeen regular 507 00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:14,000 Speaker 1: season and one more playoff team per conference? Or do 508 00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:15,760 Speaker 1: you think eventually we're gonna get to eighteen and more 509 00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:18,800 Speaker 1: playoff teams? And should we? I like one playoff team. 510 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:21,200 Speaker 1: I like where we are right now. You know, fourteen 511 00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:24,399 Speaker 1: out of thirty two means about half the league is in. 512 00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:28,200 Speaker 1: It means ostensibly two thirds of the league is usually 513 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:33,560 Speaker 1: holding on to some if then tiebreaker scenario hope in 514 00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:35,600 Speaker 1: the second and the last week of the last week. 515 00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:38,160 Speaker 1: That's fun. That's great. I mean, how great of those 516 00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:40,959 Speaker 1: moments when you know, like the one team's in the 517 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:43,280 Speaker 1: locker room and they're watching another team, and the fans 518 00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:46,520 Speaker 1: are sitting in the stands watching our buddy Andrews Siciliano 519 00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:50,240 Speaker 1: on Red Zone channel and de Eric TV and Scott 520 00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:53,280 Speaker 1: Hanson as well. They're watching to see if their team's 521 00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:54,960 Speaker 1: going to get in. While some games ending there and 522 00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:57,080 Speaker 1: some of the wild finishing, but you've been a part 523 00:26:57,119 --> 00:26:59,760 Speaker 1: of a couple of those. Those are fun. So let's 524 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:02,120 Speaker 1: extra team allows a little bit more of that, more 525 00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:05,400 Speaker 1: people to be invested in the party. Like the stupidest 526 00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:07,439 Speaker 1: thing in sports right now, Dave, is the fact that 527 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:12,000 Speaker 1: the college football playoffs, four teams, like five big conferences, 528 00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:16,680 Speaker 1: all with intelligent leaders went in and said, let's make 529 00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:20,040 Speaker 1: a system where one of us is out no matter what. 530 00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:24,199 Speaker 1: That's the dumbest thing ever ever. Like they how they 531 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:26,040 Speaker 1: did that as beyond me, and I think they're paying 532 00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:28,400 Speaker 1: a price for it will expand here in the next 533 00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:31,080 Speaker 1: few years. But I like us in the NFL at seven. 534 00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:34,400 Speaker 1: You know, the seventeenth game still worries me because look 535 00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:37,359 Speaker 1: at all the players who are getting injured. This game 536 00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:43,320 Speaker 1: is more physical, not necessarily because the guys are hitting harder, 537 00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:47,080 Speaker 1: they're just bigger. You know. The field is the same 538 00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:49,520 Speaker 1: size as it was when Red Grange played without a 539 00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:52,680 Speaker 1: face mask. These little tiny guys no, and you see 540 00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:58,400 Speaker 1: these guys. The speed in the contact is so ferocious 541 00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:01,280 Speaker 1: that I don't know the a play gets better if 542 00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:05,000 Speaker 1: we go to eighteen weeks. So I'm still even for sixteen. 543 00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:08,960 Speaker 1: But the seventeen ship has sailed, and I think we're 544 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:10,879 Speaker 1: in a good spot right now. Let's let's keep the 545 00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:13,320 Speaker 1: where it is. I think this works. You mentioned the 546 00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:16,919 Speaker 1: college football playoff, and I'm with you. The four doesn't 547 00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:21,160 Speaker 1: make sense, and they obviously realize that it doesn't make 548 00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:22,760 Speaker 1: sense and that there's a lot of money to be 549 00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:25,240 Speaker 1: made by expanding it. So it's going to get expanded. 550 00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:28,959 Speaker 1: But right now you're stuck at four. You had Notre Dame, 551 00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:33,360 Speaker 1: Cincinnati and Cincinnati right now, I'm curious. You know what 552 00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:35,719 Speaker 1: you think about them? Is the Notre Dame win for 553 00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:39,320 Speaker 1: them good enough if they go undefeated for the first 554 00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:42,680 Speaker 1: time since the invention of the college football playoffs seven 555 00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:46,560 Speaker 1: years ago. For a group of five team to get 556 00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:52,000 Speaker 1: into the top four, it should it should be. If 557 00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:54,960 Speaker 1: it doesn't, this system is really fun. I can see 558 00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:56,680 Speaker 1: how you can say they're eleven or oh, they didn't 559 00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:59,520 Speaker 1: go any place and beat anybody. They beat Notre Dame, 560 00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:01,880 Speaker 1: who was in the playoff last year. They're not even 561 00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:03,680 Speaker 1: sound as good as they were. But if No Name 562 00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:07,080 Speaker 1: ends up ten and two, that's pretty good in a year. 563 00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:10,880 Speaker 1: Whereas you've seen firsthand, there are a lot of average 564 00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:14,880 Speaker 1: teams in college football, a lot of average teams. There's 565 00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:18,320 Speaker 1: there's the velvet rope group of the VIP teams that 566 00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:20,400 Speaker 1: are inside those velvet ropes like in a movie theater. 567 00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:23,840 Speaker 1: That's a really small group. This year, I'd love to 568 00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:27,160 Speaker 1: see Cincinnati get a chance. I think they deserve a chance. 569 00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:30,800 Speaker 1: I hope they have the opportunity to play when they 570 00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:32,800 Speaker 1: played in the boat. Did you do that ball game 571 00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:35,320 Speaker 1: last YEARNS Bowl Game? No? I did not. I had 572 00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:40,200 Speaker 1: that's right, since Cincinnati in the bowl game. I know 573 00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:42,240 Speaker 1: there were opt outs on the other side, but they 574 00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:46,160 Speaker 1: hung in there. Yeah, Nome no names a good team. 575 00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:51,200 Speaker 1: Uh they Cincinnati physically was a better team on the 576 00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:54,600 Speaker 1: field in South Bend on that Saturday, and they had 577 00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:56,680 Speaker 1: a little diversity. Norda got back to within three and 578 00:29:56,680 --> 00:30:00,440 Speaker 1: they came down. We won those championship drives. They scored. Yes, 579 00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:02,160 Speaker 1: I definitely want to see them, and I hope they 580 00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:05,080 Speaker 1: go eleven and O hope they win their conference championship 581 00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:08,360 Speaker 1: game and get into the playoffs. It would be good 582 00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:11,280 Speaker 1: for the sport, not just to change it up, it's 583 00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:15,080 Speaker 1: change it up with a program that has built without 584 00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:18,640 Speaker 1: the opportunities and resources of some of the legacy programs. 585 00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:22,440 Speaker 1: One of the things that the Cardinals are doing is 586 00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:25,320 Speaker 1: called Cardinals Folk Tales. And one of the things we're 587 00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:28,280 Speaker 1: doing is the Monday Night meltdown from two thousand and 588 00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:31,120 Speaker 1: six when the Cardinals had the lead over the Chicago Bears. 589 00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:33,360 Speaker 1: It was a game that you called for ESPN on 590 00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:35,800 Speaker 1: Monday Night Football. It was also the game where Denny 591 00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:38,560 Speaker 1: Green went on his famous rant post game, and that's 592 00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:42,160 Speaker 1: really what Cardinals Folk Tales is about. But I had 593 00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:45,680 Speaker 1: Greasy on earlier the season to get his perspective on 594 00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:47,080 Speaker 1: a lot of things. But also on that because he 595 00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:49,520 Speaker 1: was Rex Grossman's backup, he thought he was getting into 596 00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:52,280 Speaker 1: the game. Rex obviously stayed in the game, and he 597 00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:55,360 Speaker 1: led the Bears to the Super Bowl. Do you remember much? 598 00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:57,400 Speaker 1: I mean, you've done so many games. Do you remember 599 00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:02,560 Speaker 1: that night? So Davir charts from games by the way, Yeah, 600 00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:05,719 Speaker 1: I don't you know. I did. My wife, Hallie and 601 00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:09,360 Speaker 1: I when we were redoing we accidentally threw out about 602 00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:12,880 Speaker 1: a thousand of them. So I from from like two 603 00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:15,120 Speaker 1: thousand and three to two tho ten. There's no evidence 604 00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:17,120 Speaker 1: that I ever did a game for ESPN or the 605 00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:20,800 Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals. Let me just let me just say, did 606 00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:25,200 Speaker 1: Hallie accidentally be the one who accidentally put that in 607 00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:28,160 Speaker 1: the accidentally get rid of this pile? Mike? I don't 608 00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:30,360 Speaker 1: know that I could answer that, because if I did, 609 00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:33,760 Speaker 1: because if I do, brother, I might I might not 610 00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:35,880 Speaker 1: have a bed to sleep in the night when I 611 00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:39,960 Speaker 1: get home. Well, I only ask that because I have 612 00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:43,160 Speaker 1: looking at it right now. I've got a stack of 613 00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:47,560 Speaker 1: folders and legal pads from almost every game I've done 614 00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:50,680 Speaker 1: going back to my ESPN time. So there's like some weird, 615 00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:53,760 Speaker 1: weird stuff in there. Right, There's like Philip Rivers. I 616 00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:58,560 Speaker 1: found the chart of Philip Rivers first started North Carolina State, 617 00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:02,200 Speaker 1: which I did, and like I brought it to Philip 618 00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:03,680 Speaker 1: when we had one of his games last year because 619 00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:05,320 Speaker 1: we kind of do. It was near the end, so 620 00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:08,440 Speaker 1: that was fun, right. But to your point, the Monday 621 00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:10,440 Speaker 1: Night stuff I kept it was ten years. I just 622 00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:12,920 Speaker 1: kept throwing credentials. I don't know what we were gonna 623 00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:15,040 Speaker 1: do that. I'll probably rim at all. But I've got 624 00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:19,520 Speaker 1: my production meeting notes from that game. And the best 625 00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:25,680 Speaker 1: part of the Crownham quote from Denny was that Denny 626 00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:29,480 Speaker 1: told us that in our production meeting on Saturday. So 627 00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:32,560 Speaker 1: I'll give you the quick story. So it's it's meet 628 00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:35,400 Speaker 1: Kornheiser and Jaws, Jay Rothmans, our producer Chip Teams, our 629 00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:38,720 Speaker 1: director Susie Covers, our sideline repporter Michelle as well. But 630 00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:39,840 Speaker 1: I don't know from the shows in the room with 631 00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:42,320 Speaker 1: us she might have been. So we're out there. We 632 00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:44,360 Speaker 1: did the meeting, same same meeting room, the same area 633 00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:46,040 Speaker 1: the Cardinals still do their stuff in, at least over 634 00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:47,880 Speaker 1: the last couple of years since I last was there. 635 00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:53,160 Speaker 1: And Denny is telling us about the Bears because the 636 00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:55,880 Speaker 1: Cardinals played the Bears in the preseason. It was the 637 00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:58,800 Speaker 1: third preseason game, so it was good against good for 638 00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:00,960 Speaker 1: a half. When that still happened a fourth preseason games 639 00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:04,880 Speaker 1: and the Bears, people were building up the Bears in Chicago. 640 00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:07,040 Speaker 1: They started asking is this team as good as the 641 00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:10,440 Speaker 1: eighty five Bears? And Danny played it right down the line, 642 00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:13,640 Speaker 1: right down the traditional line. During the week, they're good, 643 00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:16,160 Speaker 1: they're good, they're good. But we got in and so 644 00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:17,960 Speaker 1: I'm kind of going down this line of question and 645 00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:21,200 Speaker 1: Denny's you know, Denny can could have when during when 646 00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:22,400 Speaker 1: he was with it, he could run a little bit 647 00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:25,160 Speaker 1: hot at times. You could just see him a getting frustrated. 648 00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:29,360 Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you they're not as good as the 649 00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:34,600 Speaker 1: five Bears. Denny's voice again, the eighty five Bears. People 650 00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:37,000 Speaker 1: want to crown them, People want to crown them as champions. 651 00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:39,840 Speaker 1: It's October. Don't crown that. Don't crown them like the 652 00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:44,960 Speaker 1: eighty five Bears. So when he says at the podium, 653 00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:49,480 Speaker 1: um crown him, and he bangs his arms and he says, 654 00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:52,560 Speaker 1: bangs his hands and shot we had to and we 655 00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:55,680 Speaker 1: let him off the hook. Like that was the continuation 656 00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:59,160 Speaker 1: of our production meeting on Saturday. So when that cores, 657 00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:03,120 Speaker 1: like commercial ran, and when that clip runs, I immediately 658 00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:06,520 Speaker 1: flashback to that meeting and just laugh because we saw 659 00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:09,200 Speaker 1: that first hand. That was an incredible night and Liner 660 00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:10,840 Speaker 1: plays and they got a chance to beat him and 661 00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:13,839 Speaker 1: Hester with a kick return as only Devin Hester could 662 00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:16,400 Speaker 1: do and all that stuff. That was one of those nights. 663 00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:19,200 Speaker 1: So we because Corneiser didn't love to fly, we had 664 00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:22,440 Speaker 1: a bus for Monday night football that we didn't take everywhere, 665 00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:24,600 Speaker 1: but the bus whatever with the same bus driver, bus 666 00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:27,520 Speaker 1: driver Jeff, and we're pulling out of the stadium and 667 00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:30,680 Speaker 1: we are watching on a TV. It took him to 668 00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:33,680 Speaker 1: direct TV the live postgame one Sports Center, and we 669 00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:37,600 Speaker 1: saw that. We broke out laughing in the bus because 670 00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:40,840 Speaker 1: we knew exactly what Danny was saying about want to crowd. 671 00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:44,880 Speaker 1: Crowd the hook is one of my all time favorites. 672 00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:47,319 Speaker 1: I'm so glad you asked us. Every time that comes up, 673 00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:49,719 Speaker 1: I relate that story to somebody. It was just like 674 00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:53,399 Speaker 1: cool to add some context to the quote that became 675 00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:56,200 Speaker 1: a commercial last one. As I mentioned, Mike, this is 676 00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:59,560 Speaker 1: an audio podcast for those that are listening that may 677 00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:01,480 Speaker 1: not see if we if the Cardinals put out a 678 00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:04,920 Speaker 1: video clip, you have a guitar behind you. Is that 679 00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:08,160 Speaker 1: your guitar? And is this something I don't know about 680 00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:12,319 Speaker 1: Mike Terrico. Does Mike tric play No, I can't play. Um, 681 00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:16,200 Speaker 1: it's kind of strapped in here. I can't get this out. 682 00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:20,319 Speaker 1: It's probably expensive. Don't don't do anything. There's a big 683 00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:23,759 Speaker 1: hat here, the big straw hat that was from the 684 00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:28,160 Speaker 1: World Cup in South Africa in twenty ten. There was 685 00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:31,279 Speaker 1: a show called Last Call and we put somebody wear 686 00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:33,720 Speaker 1: the hat and I actually did shows, which I couldn't 687 00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:36,000 Speaker 1: believe with that hat on. It looked so stupid, but 688 00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:37,839 Speaker 1: we passed it along. We had one of the great 689 00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:39,719 Speaker 1: memories on that show. We all worked together. We made 690 00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:42,120 Speaker 1: a blast and I just said, I'm taking a hat 691 00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:43,799 Speaker 1: with me and I did. And I've had it for 692 00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:46,319 Speaker 1: almost a decade now. Hang on to it. Love it. 693 00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:50,080 Speaker 1: The guitar is a gift from my wife. It was 694 00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:52,000 Speaker 1: a birthday gift. Fun It was like a fortieth or 695 00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:55,920 Speaker 1: something signed by Springsteen. I'm a Springsteen junkie and she 696 00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:58,799 Speaker 1: got me signed Springsteen guitar. So I can't play it, 697 00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:03,160 Speaker 1: but my members does and that's my musical getaway. So 698 00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:05,600 Speaker 1: it sits here in the office with a Mike Rouzi 699 00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:09,319 Speaker 1: only hockey stick and a master's picture of Gary player 700 00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:12,440 Speaker 1: Jack Nicholas, Arnold Palmer, Curtis Strange and me and I 701 00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:16,479 Speaker 1: got Arnold, Gary and Jack to sign the starter's chief 702 00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:18,560 Speaker 1: from that day. It was the first time the three 703 00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:21,000 Speaker 1: of them together with the honorary starters, and they came 704 00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:22,800 Speaker 1: in to do a sports inner hit with us. Curtis 705 00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:26,400 Speaker 1: went to wake forest On and Arnold Palmer golf scholarship, 706 00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:29,600 Speaker 1: so he knows Arnie obviously knows Jack and Gary. So 707 00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:32,040 Speaker 1: that's my little corner office there. I got those guys 708 00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:34,279 Speaker 1: to sign the starter chief from that Day's one of 709 00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:37,120 Speaker 1: the only autographs I've ever asked for my life. I 710 00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:39,200 Speaker 1: got them to do it in my orange sharpie. That 711 00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:41,280 Speaker 1: was the coolest part of it. So I got Arnold, 712 00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:44,279 Speaker 1: I'd probably have the only Arnold Gary Jack same thing 713 00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:47,560 Speaker 1: signed in a range sharpie in America. So that's my 714 00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:52,439 Speaker 1: little collection here. That's awesome. That's awesome. Man. Well listen, Mike, 715 00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:54,759 Speaker 1: I could talk to you for hours, but you have 716 00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:58,640 Speaker 1: a life, and I've just appreciate spending forty minutes with 717 00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:01,320 Speaker 1: him me. Man, I really do. I appreciate our friendship, 718 00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:04,640 Speaker 1: and again, thank you for just continue to lead the 719 00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:06,239 Speaker 1: way for so many of us. Man, you're one of 720 00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:09,080 Speaker 1: the most talented people in our business and stop one 721 00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:11,800 Speaker 1: of the best of all time. Man, stop it, stop 722 00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:15,200 Speaker 1: and stop it. Thank you. I I love hearing you 723 00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:18,000 Speaker 1: driving in a car listening to Westwood on a Saturday 724 00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:20,040 Speaker 1: and I'm sitting around waiting to do my football games 725 00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:24,000 Speaker 1: with Walden late at night. I just laugh and smile. 726 00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:27,160 Speaker 1: I'm I'm so proud of you and your association with 727 00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:30,200 Speaker 1: the Cardinals. I'm jealousy. You remember telling this around playoffs 728 00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:32,680 Speaker 1: times and Super Bowls and stuff. I'm jealousy because you 729 00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:35,239 Speaker 1: have an association with the team that I've never had. 730 00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:37,759 Speaker 1: I'd love to do that at some point because there's 731 00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:41,520 Speaker 1: a whole generation of Cardinals fans who forever will associate 732 00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:43,920 Speaker 1: your voice with that team, and I think it's just 733 00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:46,520 Speaker 1: the coolest part of the ride. I'm I'm so happy 734 00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:49,000 Speaker 1: for you and so happy for everybody in your in 735 00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:51,319 Speaker 1: your world. You are the best and you're eating better 736 00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:53,480 Speaker 1: person in our broadcaster and most of the listeners know 737 00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:55,880 Speaker 1: that and we mean that. So thanks for having me 738 00:37:55,920 --> 00:38:00,600 Speaker 1: on It's an honor to be with you, budd great 739 00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:05,200 Speaker 1: stuff from NBC Sports Mike Tarico. So many things that 740 00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:09,080 Speaker 1: stood out to me in that interview. I think first 741 00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:11,719 Speaker 1: of all, the conversation that he had with Denny Green 742 00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:14,000 Speaker 1: in the production meeting leading up to the Monday night 743 00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:17,320 Speaker 1: football game against the Bears. The unique perspective that Mike had, 744 00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:20,839 Speaker 1: the fact that Denny had told him days before in 745 00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:23,760 Speaker 1: response to people comparing that Bears team to the eighty 746 00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:27,600 Speaker 1: five Bears, that Denny said, it's crazy and they're not 747 00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:30,880 Speaker 1: who we think they are you thought they were, and 748 00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:33,600 Speaker 1: people shouldn't be crowning him yet. And then he said 749 00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:36,640 Speaker 1: those exact words after the game. Just hilarious to get 750 00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:40,719 Speaker 1: another perspective on for Cardinal fans, but was a devastating 751 00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:44,080 Speaker 1: night back in two thousand and six against the Chicago Bears. 752 00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:48,439 Speaker 1: The other thing that I really connected with was when 753 00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:51,759 Speaker 1: Mike talked about some of his favorite moments from his 754 00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:56,279 Speaker 1: broadcasting career, in particular calling the Saints game in New 755 00:38:56,440 --> 00:39:03,239 Speaker 1: Orleans after Hurricane Katrina and how important that game was 756 00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:07,320 Speaker 1: to the city of New Orleans and the people of Louisiana. 757 00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:09,920 Speaker 1: I live on the West coast. It was important to me. 758 00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:12,279 Speaker 1: I connected with it. I remember Steve Gleeson and what 759 00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:15,479 Speaker 1: happened on that night, and I actually went down with 760 00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:18,520 Speaker 1: a group of friends to Louisiana to do some post 761 00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:21,440 Speaker 1: clean up a group from our church after her came Katrina. 762 00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:25,960 Speaker 1: I saw firsthand the devastation that that did to that community. 763 00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:29,440 Speaker 1: So to see it come together and to see the 764 00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:33,440 Speaker 1: importance of the Saints to New Orleans and Louisiana and 765 00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:35,840 Speaker 1: how it played out that night a national TV and 766 00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:39,480 Speaker 1: how well Mike documented it for all of us. It 767 00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:43,640 Speaker 1: goes back to his line about that sports matters because 768 00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:48,120 Speaker 1: it's entertainment and it's fun and we get to root 769 00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:51,920 Speaker 1: for our team, but it also provides an escape, and 770 00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:57,480 Speaker 1: it also allows us to connect with the athletes and 771 00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:01,719 Speaker 1: the team. I think last year during the pandemic, not 772 00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:04,239 Speaker 1: being able to go to sporting events, having to call 773 00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:08,319 Speaker 1: events from the stadium here or in my house. I'll 774 00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:10,720 Speaker 1: never take for granted again being in a sporting event, 775 00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:13,400 Speaker 1: because when we're there, we feel a part of it. 776 00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:17,120 Speaker 1: We connect with the players, the coaches, the events, and 777 00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:20,279 Speaker 1: these things stick with us. And obviously that moment, that 778 00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:23,000 Speaker 1: game stuck with Mike and as he said, will for 779 00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:25,960 Speaker 1: his entire career. That'll do it for this edition of 780 00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:28,920 Speaker 1: the Dave Pash Podcast. You can follow us on Twitter 781 00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:32,640 Speaker 1: at Pash Pod. We are sponsored by bet MGM, the 782 00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:35,879 Speaker 1: official sports betting partner of the Arizona Cardinals, and by 783 00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:39,279 Speaker 1: Hila River Hotels and Casinos. The Cardinals play the forty 784 00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:41,680 Speaker 1: nine Ers this Sunday in Santa Clara. We will talk 785 00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:44,120 Speaker 1: to you next week on the Dave Pash Podcast