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Speaker 1: Explicit adult content is everywhere. Matt Fred Pints with Aquinas

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Speaker 1: actually started his career warning about the dangers of this

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Speaker 2: He has some incredible insights.

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Speaker 1: And where did that title Pints with a Quinas come from?

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Speaker 1: Matt Fred is ahead on a Royal Grande. Come on, hey, everybody,

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Speaker 1: show coming. According to the latest research, the average age

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Speaker 1: of the first exposure to explicit.

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Speaker 2: Adult content is now eleven years old. Eleven.

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Speaker 1: When I was eleven, I was excited to see the

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Speaker 1: Empire Strikes Back and Smoky in the band at two,

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Speaker 1: not Debbie does Detroit two. Kids are now being exposed

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Speaker 1: not like they're seeking it out. It finds them pop

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Speaker 1: up ads, social media, a friend's phone on the school bus.

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Speaker 1: One study found ninety three percent of boys and sixty

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Speaker 1: two percent of girls are exposed to internet pornography before

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Speaker 1: the age of eighteen. We're talking about an entire generation

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Speaker 1: marinating in this stuff during their most formative years. But

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Speaker 1: did you know the porn industry now generates over ninety

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Speaker 1: seven billion annually worldwide. That's more than the NFL, NBA,

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Speaker 1: and Major League Baseball combined. I guess America's favorite pastime

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Speaker 1: is now watching strangers debase themselves on camera. I read

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Speaker 1: a story about one young woman that.

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Speaker 2: Tells the tale. Let's call her Tests.

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Speaker 1: She started an OnlyFans account when she was nineteen years old.

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Speaker 1: She was in college, needed money, and everybody told her

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Speaker 1: it was empowering and sex positive. Within six months, she

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Speaker 1: was making fifteen thousand dollars a month. Fast forward three years,

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Speaker 1: Tess is now twenty two. She decides she wants to

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Speaker 2: Here's the problem.

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Speaker 1: Her content is everywhere, millions of views, her face, her body,

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Speaker 1: her most intimate moments. She goes to job interviews in

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Speaker 1: the HR department, googles her name, and guess what. She

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Speaker 1: tries to date guys they recognize her videos. She told

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Speaker 1: an interviewer recently, I thought I was in control. I

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Speaker 1: thought I was making easy money, But I sold my

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Speaker 1: dignity for fifteen thousand a month, and now I can't

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Speaker 1: buy it back at any price. How is that empowering.

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Speaker 1: It's bondage and completely limiting. And I haven't even talked

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Speaker 1: about the porn consumers, overwhelmingly young men.

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Speaker 2: They're dealing with their own crisis. Okay.

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Speaker 1: Studies show that regular porn news is linked to increase

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Speaker 1: rates of depression, anxiety, and sexual dysfunction in men on

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Speaker 1: under thirty under thirty, to say nothing of the false

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Speaker 1: sense of intimacy it breeds. I know there are those

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Speaker 1: who say it's harmless, it's a rite of passage. People

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Speaker 1: are just expressing themselves and should be free to do so.

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Speaker 1: The damage to society, to souls and minds, is far

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Speaker 1: less harmless, and it's not freeing for society. You may

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Speaker 1: not know Matt Frad, the founder and host of Pints

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Speaker 1: with a quinnas he began warning young people and parents

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Speaker 1: incredibly influential podcast, millions of downloads and powerful conversations about

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Speaker 1: faith and true freedom. Here's Matt Frad behind the Pints.

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Speaker 1: You were very involved early on in alerting people to

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Speaker 1: about this. How did this first come onto your radar?

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Speaker 1: It happened when you were we young?

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Speaker 3: What pornography?

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Speaker 1: Or QUI pornography and I'm talking about a quietness later pornography.

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Speaker 4: I was eight years old and I was playing out

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Speaker 3: I had a bit. This is very sad.

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Speaker 4: I had a best friend and his mother. She was

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Speaker 1: Well this is I mean, you know, and it's the fact.

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Speaker 4: when I realized that there were certain things in my

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Speaker 4: The only Christians I had met up until that point

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Speaker 4: I didn't use that language, but I thought, this is

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Speaker 4: And so, yeah, you know, there were several moments that

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Speaker 4: Everything around me seemed to pulse with meaning. I somehow

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Speaker 4: Anyway, So that's wow. It was a pretty radical conversion.

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Speaker 3: Back an entirely different person.

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Speaker 4: So I mean, again, I don't mean to pretend that

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Speaker 1: this has become I mean, this is not something you

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Speaker 1: find in a friend's basement or a garage anymore pornography.

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Speaker 4: Well, I've stood on the back of giants. I wrote

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Speaker 4: the research of neuroscientists and psychologists and sociologists. I think

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Speaker 4: the first thing to say is it's not terribly interesting

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Speaker 4: why anybody would choose to watch pornography. It's the most

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Speaker 4: That's what's more interesting is why anyone anywhere would choose

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Speaker 4: Well, they're digital whores, And I think we should use

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Speaker 3: We shouldn't use pseudonyms.

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Speaker 4: So I would think that people who are engaged in

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Speaker 4: You can't degrade what doesn't have grade to begin with

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 4: So it's precisely because sex is good, sexual desire is good,

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Speaker 1: Well, and you have a culture again, the culture advertises

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Speaker 2: Get with it.

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Speaker 1: And even the mass media we cover this stuff. I

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Speaker 4: Reminds me of sent Jose Maria Escreva. He said, don't

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Speaker 4: Oh goodness, I don't know, twenty twelve and this.

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Speaker 4: I think that it's best to think of freedom from

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Speaker 4: You know, like suppose you thought that pornography was as

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Speaker 3: Not if you do it appropriately.

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Speaker 4: You know, if you took a child to a big

439
00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:45,160
Speaker 4: theme park, you might say to them, don't run away

440
00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:48,080
Speaker 4: from mummy or daddy, stay close to us. And suppose

441
00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:50,840
Speaker 4: they said, well, why, you might say, well, there could

442
00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:52,840
Speaker 4: be a bad man who could take you away from us.

443
00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:57,959
Speaker 4: In saying that, you're actually addressing something incredibly disturbing, but

444
00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:00,480
Speaker 4: you're doing it in an age appropriate way because you

445
00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:03,639
Speaker 4: realize that statistically though this is very unlikely to happen,

446
00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:08,920
Speaker 4: you want to prepare your children for the reality, for reality,

447
00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:11,479
Speaker 4: and so how might you do it with a child

448
00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:14,240
Speaker 4: that is talk about pornography? I think you could say something,

449
00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:16,119
Speaker 4: and I've done this with each of my children. You

450
00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:19,919
Speaker 4: should say, you know how there are good pictures, like

451
00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:23,720
Speaker 4: photographs of the family or comic books. Yeah, well, there's

452
00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:28,480
Speaker 4: also bad pictures called pornography and pornography. There's pictures or

453
00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:31,280
Speaker 4: videos of people showing parts of their body that their

454
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Speaker 4: bathing suit should cover. And if you ever see this,

455
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Speaker 4: or anybody ever shows it to you, please tell.

456
00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:37,800
Speaker 3: Me right away.

457
00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:40,240
Speaker 4: You might think you'd be in trouble, You really wouldn't.

458
00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:42,480
Speaker 4: We'd be so proud of you for bringing that to us.

459
00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:46,320
Speaker 4: That's pretty easy. You know, that's a pretty you do that.

460
00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:49,119
Speaker 4: If you haven't spoken to your children about it and

461
00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:51,399
Speaker 4: they're in their teenage years, you could always have this

462
00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:54,200
Speaker 4: very awkward conversation to them, but awkward is the new black.

463
00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:56,919
Speaker 4: Just press into it. You could say, hey, you know

464
00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:59,080
Speaker 4: it occurred to me. I really should have spoken to

465
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Speaker 4: you more when you're child about the dangers of pornography.

466
00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:04,320
Speaker 4: I hope you know that if you ever got involved

467
00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:07,200
Speaker 4: in that and felt trapped in it, you could always

468
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:09,720
Speaker 4: come to me and I would help you. And you

469
00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:12,280
Speaker 4: should have that conversation with your sons and your daughters.

470
00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:16,679
Speaker 4: That's a start. Now here's the I think here's a

471
00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:18,880
Speaker 4: really good option, which a lot of people might say

472
00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:22,240
Speaker 4: is unrealistic, But this is what we've done. We chose

473
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Speaker 4: to homeschool our children because I knew, this is partly why,

474
00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:29,639
Speaker 4: that if my children went to school and I didn't

475
00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:32,160
Speaker 4: give them a phone or a tablet, that they would

476
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Speaker 4: be essentially a social leaper by the time they were

477
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Speaker 4: eight or nine. And I'm not saying the church mandates this.

478
00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:40,600
Speaker 4: I'm just saying this is what we chose to do.

479
00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:43,840
Speaker 4: What we chose to do was homeschool our children. With

480
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Speaker 4: all the difficulties that entails. And you know, my beautiful

481
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:51,600
Speaker 4: one of my beautiful daughters, she is sixteen. She doesn't

482
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Speaker 4: have a phone. She will soon because you want to

483
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Speaker 4: introduce that to your children as they grow up, they

484
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Speaker 4: need to navigate this. But how beautiful though, You've got

485
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:03,720
Speaker 4: children growing up and they're learning to write a diary

486
00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:06,280
Speaker 4: entry instead of taking a photo of their body and

487
00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:09,840
Speaker 4: wondering what filter makes them look better. But I don't

488
00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:12,040
Speaker 4: know if we could have held off on giving them

489
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Speaker 4: a phone if they were going to school, I think

490
00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:17,439
Speaker 4: it would have been unfair. So I think if you

491
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Speaker 4: can homeschool, homeschool and seriously delay phones and tablets for

492
00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:28,960
Speaker 4: as long as you can. Now, different children have different

493
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:31,840
Speaker 4: temperaments and there are different situations, so I'm not trying

494
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:35,879
Speaker 4: to mandate something for everybody. But I think our children

495
00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:39,920
Speaker 4: are very healthy and happy, and I think they wouldn't

496
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Speaker 4: have been if we had have just given them a

497
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Speaker 4: phone when they were eight.

498
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Speaker 1: Like many smartphones should be, the smartphone shouldn't be introduced

499
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Speaker 1: until later.

500
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Speaker 2: If they need a flip.

501
00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:53,080
Speaker 1: Phone for communication, fine, But the idea that my image

502
00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:57,880
Speaker 1: becomes a calling card and my introduction to the world.

503
00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:03,080
Speaker 1: There's something inherently distortive in that, and we see the

504
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:07,240
Speaker 1: sad fallow up these poor girls are. They've got eating

505
00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:11,760
Speaker 1: issues and body issues that you're twelve, you shouldn't be

506
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:15,560
Speaker 1: encountering any of this, but it's part of the culture

507
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:18,520
Speaker 1: in which they now live, and I think as long

508
00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:19,960
Speaker 1: as you can keep them out of it, you should.

509
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:22,399
Speaker 1: We had a child psychologist not recently who said just

510
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:26,399
Speaker 1: the same for our own children and grandchildren, no smartphone.

511
00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:29,560
Speaker 4: I've been saying this for a long time. No one

512
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:31,880
Speaker 4: was listening to me. I would give talks all around

513
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:34,360
Speaker 4: the country and tell parents, don't get your kids a smartphone.

514
00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:37,520
Speaker 4: This was like fifteen years ago, you know, ten years ago,

515
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:39,879
Speaker 4: and I was looked at like I was insane. I

516
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:41,399
Speaker 4: remember some woman came up to me and said, what

517
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:43,440
Speaker 4: am I supposed to do? Just homeschool my kids. So yeah,

518
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:45,439
Speaker 4: and then we just send them off to college. And

519
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:47,639
Speaker 4: I said, why would you send them to college? I

520
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:49,520
Speaker 4: really think we have to rethink a lot of things,

521
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:51,399
Speaker 4: you know. But today what's interesting is a lot of

522
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:53,400
Speaker 4: people seem to be agreeing with me. No, of course,

523
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:56,280
Speaker 4: you wouldn't give your children social media or a smartphone,

524
00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:57,919
Speaker 4: and if you have done that and you realize you've

525
00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:00,840
Speaker 4: made a mistake, maybe you're going to make it difficult decision.

526
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:02,480
Speaker 4: Maybe you're going to pull them out of school. Maybe

527
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:06,440
Speaker 4: you're going to have mum stay at home as and

528
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:08,960
Speaker 4: just change your lifestyle choices so that you can do this.

529
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Speaker 4: I once had a university professor say to me. He said,

530
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Speaker 4: I'm seeing the caliber of people who are coming into

531
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Speaker 4: freshman year. He said, the difference between the homeschool kids

532
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Speaker 4: and the kids who went to public or Catholic school.

533
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Speaker 3: Is night and day.

534
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Speaker 4: He said, I'm convinced if all you did was just

535
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:27,119
Speaker 4: read good books to your kids on the couch, they

536
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:29,800
Speaker 4: would end up head and shoulders above the students that

537
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:30,320
Speaker 4: are coming in.

538
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Speaker 2: I think that's true. Tell me about how you met

539
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:34,880
Speaker 2: your wife. You met Cameron.

540
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:39,640
Speaker 4: Ah, thank you. My wife and I served as missionaries

541
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:43,320
Speaker 4: in Ireland as part of a ministry called net Ministries.

542
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:47,320
Speaker 4: So I met her at the diocesan center in Ottawa,

543
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:52,600
Speaker 4: Canada and liked her right away. I found her kind

544
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:57,400
Speaker 4: of loud, She's very extroverted. We talked about this and

545
00:28:56,680 --> 00:29:01,040
Speaker 4: I'm loud, but I don't think I'm extroverted. So I

546
00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:03,560
Speaker 4: got to know her, and I just really liked her,

547
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 4: and I remember just thinking i'd really I remember thinking

548
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:09,480
Speaker 4: this might sound fun. I knew objectively that she was

549
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:11,760
Speaker 4: a beautiful woman, but there are lots of beautiful women,

550
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:14,720
Speaker 4: and you're not attracted that way to all of them. Yeah,

551
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:17,960
Speaker 4: I remember thinking I'd love to fall in love with

552
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:20,040
Speaker 4: this woman because I like her so much.

553
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 3: Does that make sense?

554
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:22,200
Speaker 2: Yeah?

555
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:24,440
Speaker 4: Because I say that, and sometimes people say, well, what

556
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:27,400
Speaker 4: you're saying. She wasn't beautiful. She was beautiful, but again,

557
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 4: lots of women are beautiful. But I thought I would

558
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 4: like to like her like that because she was so

559
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:35,320
Speaker 4: cool and funny. And anyway, then we fell for each other,

560
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:38,720
Speaker 4: and long story short, we got married nineteen years ago

561
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:42,240
Speaker 4: in Houston, Texas, and that's been a wild adventure ever since.

562
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Speaker 1: And tell me where I mean you alluded to this earlier.

563
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:50,440
Speaker 1: Pintes with a Quinas started really as an extra credit

564
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:52,960
Speaker 1: to the theology degree were after.

565
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:55,959
Speaker 4: Yeah, philosophy degree. It was ten years ago. Next year

566
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:57,720
Speaker 4: will be ten years that pints has been going on.

567
00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:00,320
Speaker 1: Ah, but I am upset. I came all this way,

568
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:03,680
Speaker 1: no pints, pints? Did he make his on pints?

569
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:05,720
Speaker 4: Well, it turns out that the interviews are much more

570
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:08,800
Speaker 4: coherent when I'm not giving my guests hears.

571
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:09,680
Speaker 2: When people aren't loaded.

572
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 1: That's good, but there wasn't There is a connection though,

573
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:14,720
Speaker 1: Why did you call it pints with Aquinas?

574
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 2: Let's start there.

575
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:16,080
Speaker 3: Yeah.

576
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 4: I was trying to get some more credit for a

577
00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 4: master's degree in stimistic philosophy that I was doing, and

578
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:23,360
Speaker 4: I thought, well, I'll start a little podcast. And this

579
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:26,240
Speaker 4: was back when I could have named five Catholic podcasts.

580
00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:28,360
Speaker 4: And I called a good friend of mine and I said,

581
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Speaker 4: I want to make it maybe about Thomas Aquinas and

582
00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:32,360
Speaker 4: we could go over a different article that he does

583
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:35,000
Speaker 4: each week. Do you have any good names? And he said,

584
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:39,400
Speaker 4: how about how about the Aquinas return. I said, that's

585
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:40,520
Speaker 4: the stupidest name I've ever heard.

586
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:41,959
Speaker 3: What are you talking about? He said, yeah, you're look

587
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:42,479
Speaker 3: in tennis.

588
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:44,640
Speaker 4: You give it to him, He hits it back, hung

589
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:47,640
Speaker 4: up on him. Haven't spoken to him since. And the

590
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:49,480
Speaker 4: more I thought about it, I thought, well, I love

591
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:54,640
Speaker 4: this idea of those those glue conversations we called him

592
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 4: as kids, God, life, the universe and everything and over

593
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:01,200
Speaker 4: a good pint where you get into the real stuff.

594
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 4: So the idea was bringing the brilliant mind of Aquinas

595
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:08,360
Speaker 4: down out from the Ivory Tower of Academia and having

596
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:10,600
Speaker 4: him converse with the riff Raft. That's sort of how

597
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:12,960
Speaker 4: it began, and then it developed into a sort of

598
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:15,320
Speaker 4: long form interview show where I talked.

599
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 1: I thought, why why pint pints with a Quinas? Yeah,

600
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:22,760
Speaker 1: Guinness with a Quinas highness.

601
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:25,040
Speaker 4: With rhymes right, pints Aquinas? It has that eye sound.

602
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:26,080
Speaker 2: I don't like it.

603
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 1: You're really forcing that hnus with Aquinas, finest with Aquinas,

604
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:35,360
Speaker 1: not pints with Aquinas. One vowel does not make a run.

605
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:36,240
Speaker 2: Well, that's true.

606
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:38,760
Speaker 4: Guinness with Aquinas doesn't sound very good, doesn't flow off

607
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 4: the tongue.

608
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:40,880
Speaker 2: No, it doesn't. I agree.

609
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:44,600
Speaker 4: I agree fine with Now, pints isn't really an American thing.

610
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:47,680
Speaker 4: You don't say pints, do you know? We really Australia England.

611
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:49,040
Speaker 4: Pints is a common expression.

612
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:51,160
Speaker 1: But you have a couple of the first The original

613
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:55,480
Speaker 1: idea was introduced in a popular way the Teachings of

614
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:56,640
Speaker 1: Thomas Aquinasrestle.

615
00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 4: I would say for the I can't remember the number exactly,

616
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:04,080
Speaker 4: but for the first thirty episodes, each podcast was me

617
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:08,120
Speaker 4: looking at an article of Saint Thomas Aquinas's reading through

618
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 4: it and commenting on it, and I was enjoying that

619
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:14,040
Speaker 4: very much. And then I decided to do an interview show,

620
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 4: and I thought, well, let's call that something different, so

621
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:20,840
Speaker 4: we called it the Very Creative Matt Fradshow. Ah, and

622
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:23,000
Speaker 4: then I thought, this is weird spinning two plates. I

623
00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:25,040
Speaker 4: just want to do one thing, and Pintes with Aquitness

624
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 4: is a much better name. Let me just blend the

625
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:30,360
Speaker 4: two together, since very often we talk about Catholic or

626
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:34,479
Speaker 4: philosophical issues that you know, intersect with Aquinas. So someone

627
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 4: said to me recently, why pints with a quietness? Why

628
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:38,959
Speaker 4: not pints with Dostoevsky or something, And I said, well,

629
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 4: it may as well be at this point because it

630
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:43,880
Speaker 4: isn't centered around him as it used to be. But

631
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 4: that's that's how it evolved.

632
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:46,920
Speaker 2: But his aura remains.

633
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:48,720
Speaker 4: I think I'm going to have a lot of explaining

634
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 4: to do when I meet him in heaven. I'm going

635
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:53,200
Speaker 4: to say I'm so sorry for whatever, but I will

636
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 4: say this. I was asked to give a speech in

637
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 4: Dublin last year, and the Dominican friar who invited me

638
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 4: up said, the number one answer that people give as

639
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:07,880
Speaker 4: they enter the Dominicans as to how they heard of

640
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:10,240
Speaker 4: them was Pines with a quietness. So I said, I'm

641
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:11,440
Speaker 4: happy to be a gateway drug.

642
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:12,320
Speaker 2: There you go.

643
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 1: That's one addiction you'll cop to and encourage. What's been

644
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:21,480
Speaker 1: the most I guess depressing and wonderful part of this,

645
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:22,960
Speaker 1: the podcast thing.

646
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Speaker 4: You know, I suppose if I was more humble, I

647
00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:29,920
Speaker 4: wouldn't say what I'm about to say. But since I'm not,

648
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:32,680
Speaker 4: let me say what I'm about to say. I think

649
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:37,960
Speaker 4: having my failures and weaknesses on display to the whole world.

650
00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:42,520
Speaker 4: You know, Pines has grown quite considerably. I'm sure you

651
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:44,600
Speaker 4: encounter this much more than I do. But I can't

652
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:47,520
Speaker 4: go to an airport or anywhere now without encountering people

653
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 4: who watch the show. And whenever I meet somebody who

654
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:53,280
Speaker 4: tells me they've seen the show, I think, oh goodness,

655
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 4: it's weird to encounter people who already have an opinion

656
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:56,520
Speaker 4: about you.

657
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 2: Yeah you, oh yes, yeah, yes.

658
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:02,760
Speaker 4: So that's been hard, and you know, there's certainly things

659
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 4: I regret doing or regret saying, and has been depressing.

660
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:08,719
Speaker 4: I don't know if it's been depressing, but it's been

661
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:10,759
Speaker 4: an interesting thing that not a lot of people can

662
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:14,239
Speaker 4: relate to. Yeah, the most enjoyable thing is that what

663
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:19,440
Speaker 4: you asked, A wonderful, enjoyable sitting down. I really I'm

664
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 4: very boring. People say what do you do for fun?

665
00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 4: I like to smoke cigars and talk to people, and

666
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:28,000
Speaker 4: so my podcast is very often that getting to sit

667
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:29,440
Speaker 4: down with doctor Peter Craft.

668
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:30,200
Speaker 3: I love that man.

669
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:35,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, doctor Jordan Peterson, Andrew Claven and Scott Hahn and

670
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:39,719
Speaker 4: all these different characters. And that's kind of neat. I

671
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:41,799
Speaker 4: mean I force them to turn their phone off and

672
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:43,320
Speaker 4: they have to talk to me for three hours.

673
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:44,400
Speaker 3: So that's nice.

674
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:46,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's been good for them too.

675
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:47,719
Speaker 4: Yes, it's good for them too.

676
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:48,920
Speaker 3: So that's been really enjoyable.

677
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 2: Do you tire of it? I mean I have to say,

678
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:53,560
Speaker 2: now I've been at the game a little longer.

679
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:54,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll think about it.

680
00:34:54,480 --> 00:35:00,600
Speaker 1: But after thirty years, there are sometimes not often, sometimes

681
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:02,080
Speaker 1: I find myself stealing.

682
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:05,400
Speaker 2: You have to steal yourself to sort of get all right.

683
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 3: I'll say this, be honest. Yeah, I'll be honest.

684
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:13,240
Speaker 4: I only interview people I want to Ah, so many people.

685
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:15,600
Speaker 4: We get emails every day. You got to interview this guy,

686
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:18,680
Speaker 4: that guy. If I don't want to interview them. I

687
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:22,800
Speaker 4: actually don't. I really don't. I don't even if yeah,

688
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:25,800
Speaker 4: I mean that maybe that's there might be the occasion

689
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:28,200
Speaker 4: where I interview someone because oh this will do really well.

690
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:30,279
Speaker 3: But that's exceedingly rare.

691
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:33,480
Speaker 4: I've made the mistake of interviewing people in the past

692
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:34,680
Speaker 4: who I wasn't that interested in.

693
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:37,319
Speaker 3: And I don't have a poker face, alight. I'm not

694
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:39,719
Speaker 3: good at like pretending I wish I was better.

695
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:40,800
Speaker 2: Yeah.

696
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:45,000
Speaker 4: So, And I will also say this, I take big

697
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:47,360
Speaker 4: chunks off. I just came back from two and a

698
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:51,719
Speaker 4: half months of interviewing in Europe. I was writing a

699
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 4: couple of books and so we went to Austria for

700
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:55,960
Speaker 4: two and a half months. And I tend to take

701
00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:58,439
Speaker 4: a lot of August off. So no, I actually don't

702
00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:02,759
Speaker 4: tire of it. I was really excited. Maybe I maybe

703
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:03,920
Speaker 4: I get to the point where I think I need

704
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 4: a break. But I when I came back from Europe,

705
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:08,319
Speaker 4: I was like, I can't wait to do this again.

706
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 4: I love doing it.

707
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:10,040
Speaker 2: Was you were ready?

708
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:13,400
Speaker 1: That's how I feel after a vacation. I agree the

709
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:16,560
Speaker 1: why three hours? I mean, I have to tell you

710
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:18,960
Speaker 1: Jesus didn't speak for three hours.

711
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:20,560
Speaker 2: You know he was a hit and run artist.

712
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I go, I read They're coming, I'm the fulfillment, goodbye,

713
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 1: and then oh the room went.

714
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 2: Crazy and he left. Why three hours?

715
00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:32,080
Speaker 4: Well, I'm a I'm a Walmart Joe Rogan, you know,

716
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 4: I saw the good I just loved that idea that.

717
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 4: I mean, Joe created that format, didn't he where It's like,

718
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:40,279
Speaker 4: I want to talk to people for as long as

719
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 4: it takes to talk to them.

720
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:41,880
Speaker 2: Huh.

721
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:45,719
Speaker 4: So one of the benefits of having long form discussions

722
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:48,680
Speaker 4: is that you break people out of their soundbites.

723
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 3: Yes, you know, when you listen to.

724
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 4: TV shows or short even Catholic podcasts and they're interviewing experts,

725
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:05,080
Speaker 4: those experts have really excellent, crafted soundbites about why this

726
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:06,839
Speaker 4: is wrong or why you should do this, and they're

727
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 4: excellent and they've really crafted it, and they should be

728
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:10,960
Speaker 4: commended to that. But I really wanted to kind of

729
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:12,560
Speaker 4: break out of that and just like, can we just

730
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:16,920
Speaker 4: have a combination. So the longest interview I've done was

731
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:20,160
Speaker 4: with Jimmy Aiken. It was a five and a half

732
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:21,600
Speaker 4: hour interview and we had a two.

733
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:22,359
Speaker 3: Minute break in the middle.

734
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 1: I think, So, did you air it in two parts,

735
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:26,399
Speaker 1: so you put the whole bling.

736
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 4: It was live, the whole thing, and five hours. A

737
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:32,920
Speaker 4: friend of mine who was in the next room said,

738
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:37,480
Speaker 4: Jimmy resembled a horse who went on galloping long after

739
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:41,480
Speaker 4: the rider me had died. I wish I thought it

740
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 4: was quite insultings. I thought I was doing okay.

741
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:47,040
Speaker 1: But do you But do you worry about the tension spans?

742
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:52,760
Speaker 1: I mean, you're creating all this content and a well

743
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:54,839
Speaker 1: you do they stay with it all that time?

744
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:59,280
Speaker 4: No, they don't. Most people don't. But you can mine content.

745
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:01,160
Speaker 4: So if I do a five hour show, I could

746
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 4: take twenty clips and repackage them. So from a business perspective,

747
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:08,160
Speaker 4: that's why I would say the long form isn't wasted.

748
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 4: But from what I want to do perspective, I just

749
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:14,399
Speaker 4: want you know. It sometimes takes half hour to get

750
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:16,880
Speaker 4: into a conversation. You need to let it breathe a

751
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:20,279
Speaker 4: little bit and then I'll feel it sometimes in a

752
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 4: conversation like ah, here we go, here's the flow. Sometimes

753
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:24,759
Speaker 4: it takes about thirty minutes to an hour to get

754
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:27,000
Speaker 4: into one to break in and then I try to

755
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:30,440
Speaker 4: see my job as throwing logs on a fire. I

756
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:33,800
Speaker 4: don't want to go out, So the logs are my questions.

757
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:38,239
Speaker 4: I keep going burn this one up for me and

758
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 4: let me.

759
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:42,839
Speaker 1: Isn't it interesting? Somebody asked me, They said, when you,

760
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:46,240
Speaker 1: when you, what would you equate it.

761
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 2: To interviewing somebody?

762
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 1: And it came to my mind and I stick with it.

763
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:54,680
Speaker 1: But I like the logs on the fire. To me,

764
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:55,359
Speaker 1: it's like a.

765
00:38:55,360 --> 00:39:00,440
Speaker 2: Rare monarch butterfly, and to get it to land, and

766
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:02,839
Speaker 2: not just land like this, because you know sometimes they

767
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:05,440
Speaker 2: land with their wings, but then to open up to

768
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:09,399
Speaker 2: you all the way and then to pull the net

769
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:11,560
Speaker 2: out and capture them.

770
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 1: That's how I think of an interview. You have to

771
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 1: get them to sit and rest and then open up.

772
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 2: Then you get them.

773
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:24,880
Speaker 1: That's how I think anyway, So it becomes a game

774
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:28,279
Speaker 1: for me. I kind of build it. But then once

775
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:32,760
Speaker 1: you sit, you're right. You have to let it flows.

776
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:35,160
Speaker 2: It moves. You can't program, and a good interview you

777
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:38,840
Speaker 2: don't program. You let it go. Yeah, and you do

778
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:39,719
Speaker 2: that well, I hope.

779
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:42,359
Speaker 4: So I think I've gotten better, even if I'm not

780
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:44,440
Speaker 4: good at it, I think I've definitely I think I'm

781
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:49,080
Speaker 4: good at it. I've definitely gotten better. In the initial interviews,

782
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 4: I was so afraid of people falling back into their soundbites,

783
00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:53,840
Speaker 4: especially particular public figures.

784
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:55,080
Speaker 3: Here comes a sound bite.

785
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:59,879
Speaker 4: Yeah, I kept like t boning them, like I talked

786
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 4: way too much and people like you talking way too much.

787
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:04,279
Speaker 4: And that's always going to be a critique people have,

788
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 4: even if they're not right. But I think that is

789
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:09,200
Speaker 4: true for the most part. I think people are here

790
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:12,120
Speaker 4: because they want to hear this person at their best. Yes,

791
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 4: nothing bugs me more than listening to a podcast with

792
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 4: a guest. I really want to hear and the interviewer

793
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:21,640
Speaker 4: just keeps inserting himself, even if what he has to

794
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:23,600
Speaker 4: say is interesting, I still want to hear.

795
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:26,080
Speaker 1: No, the wind up. You don't want the six minute

796
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:28,720
Speaker 1: wind up? I mean I clocked it one day. Somebody

797
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:33,600
Speaker 1: on TV who shall remain nameless? Five minute question for

798
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 1: a one minute answer? Yeah that's that's just do a

799
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:41,320
Speaker 1: monologue and don't invite anybody on it. Okay, Yeah, every

800
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:44,880
Speaker 1: show I ask people to come on and answer my

801
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:46,640
Speaker 1: Royal Grande questionnaire.

802
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:50,080
Speaker 2: I've asked this of everybody, so he's a rapid.

803
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:53,319
Speaker 1: Fire, right, don't think about them, Oh dear, you want

804
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:56,480
Speaker 1: the answers who is the person you most admire?

805
00:40:56,880 --> 00:41:00,560
Speaker 4: Ah, immediately I thought of doctor Peter Craft. Often say

806
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:04,680
Speaker 4: that he's my sixth favorite person, after my wife and

807
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 4: four children.

808
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 3: No, there'll be five.

809
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:08,600
Speaker 1: Yeah.

810
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:10,680
Speaker 4: I've had him on the show three or four times now,

811
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 4: and I'm shocked at how courteous and generous and calm

812
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:19,040
Speaker 4: and funny he is. I'd like him to bite me

813
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:21,600
Speaker 4: and give me whatever it is he has. I remember

814
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:23,359
Speaker 4: I was driving him back to the airport after our

815
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:26,360
Speaker 4: first interview. Any This man's like eighty four years old,

816
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:28,880
Speaker 4: and we were in traffic and it didn't look like

817
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:30,760
Speaker 4: we were going to make his flight, and he could

818
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 4: not have been calmer, And I.

819
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 3: Thought, how do you become a man like that?

820
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:38,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd like to know, and me too. Who do

821
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:40,759
Speaker 2: you most despise? Oh?

822
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:41,240
Speaker 3: Wow?

823
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:44,120
Speaker 4: Oh I wouldn't answer that, even if I want you to.

824
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:49,720
Speaker 4: What do you mean by despise, hate, loath? I wouldn't

825
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:51,799
Speaker 4: tell you. I wouldn't. I'm not going to tell you.

826
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:53,719
Speaker 4: Nothing comes to mind, but even if it did, I

827
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:57,680
Speaker 4: wouldn't tell you. I think Catholics, especially in the online space,

828
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 4: fall very often into attraction and slander, and then we

829
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 4: point to the exceptions that may at times justify the

830
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:10,319
Speaker 4: reasons we're speaking badly about another person, you know, sort

831
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:11,680
Speaker 4: of like how when we get angry and then we

832
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:14,600
Speaker 4: pointed Jesus in the temple to justify our irrational anger.

833
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:17,640
Speaker 4: I think there's a lot of sinful speech, and I

834
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:19,480
Speaker 4: know I've fallen into it, and may God have mercy

835
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:21,680
Speaker 4: on me a sinner, but I don't want to fall

836
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 4: into that.

837
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 2: You've talked about this a lot on your show.

838
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:26,120
Speaker 4: You know, because I'm growing in it, I guess. So

839
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:28,080
Speaker 4: it's a thing I think about a lot. I don't

840
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:30,440
Speaker 4: want to be someone who tears down other people. I

841
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:33,200
Speaker 4: agree with you, and I'm not saying there aren't instances

842
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:36,719
Speaker 4: where you have to publicly comment on some scandal, and

843
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:37,759
Speaker 4: I understand that.

844
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 3: I just don't think that that's my role.

845
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:40,200
Speaker 4: No.

846
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:44,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you can take shots then critique what people

847
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:45,240
Speaker 1: say or do.

848
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 2: But attacking them personally is a real problem, and that

849
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:49,799
Speaker 2: happens a lot.

850
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:52,160
Speaker 4: How would you answer the question who do you dispose?

851
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 2: Who I despise? I wouldn't. It was a trick question,

852
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:55,839
Speaker 2: it was.

853
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:59,239
Speaker 1: I would probably say something like some artful dodger told

854
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:05,880
Speaker 1: me recently, I despise those who are rude or discourage that.

855
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:08,920
Speaker 1: Tell them I'm not interested. Now, I'm not giving your

856
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:09,600
Speaker 1: way to get out of it.

857
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:12,560
Speaker 2: Not forget it. We're moving on. What is your best

858
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:15,239
Speaker 2: feature I think I have?

859
00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:21,040
Speaker 4: I'm very self aware. Sometimes it's crippling. Huh, yeah, so

860
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 4: I think, I think I I think I possess a

861
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 4: lot of self knowledge.

862
00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:26,400
Speaker 2: And what's your worst feature?

863
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 4: My worst feature probably the same thing, self hatred, self love,

864
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:35,080
Speaker 4: concern about what other people think about me. I'm very

865
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:39,360
Speaker 4: melancholic by temperament, so I tend to be in my

866
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:42,680
Speaker 4: head a lot. Yeah, and and so yeah, so maybe

867
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:43,799
Speaker 4: that maybe those two things.

868
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 2: What's your favorite book and the last one you read?

869
00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 4: Dostoevsky's Brothers Karamazov probably has to be my favorite book.

870
00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:51,680
Speaker 4: I read that book because I wanted to be the

871
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:54,120
Speaker 4: kind of person who would like that book, and then

872
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 4: I accidentally love that book, and I've read it about

873
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:02,080
Speaker 4: three or four times. It's a commit yeah, but it's

874
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:06,320
Speaker 4: it was also written in serial form for a Russian newspaper,

875
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:08,359
Speaker 4: so the chapters are short, they are, and they tend

876
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:11,920
Speaker 4: to end on an exciting cliffhanger. So I find it

877
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:15,640
Speaker 4: very enjoyable. The last book I read. I'm currently reading

878
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:21,000
Speaker 4: through Andrew Claven's fictional series Another Kingdom. Huh, he's a

879
00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:25,440
Speaker 4: very good fiction author. So and then yeah, I always

880
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 4: read like ten books at a time.

881
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:30,640
Speaker 1: But that's here, You're like, No, I'm a I'm a sampler.

882
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:33,439
Speaker 1: I sample, sample, sample, then I go back and sample again.

883
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:36,320
Speaker 1: So I'm I work my way through them. But Rebecca

884
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:38,400
Speaker 1: gets so annoyed because I've always got, you know, twelve

885
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:39,480
Speaker 1: books all over the house.

886
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:45,080
Speaker 4: I'm also I've just finished Peter Kwosnevsky's book Turn Turnaround

887
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:48,440
Speaker 4: or Tears Around, answering objections to the Latin mass. I

888
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:52,440
Speaker 4: was it was very good, extremely well researched, beautifully written.

889
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, he's he knows the liturgy like nobody. What

890
00:44:56,840 --> 00:45:02,320
Speaker 1: do you know, Matt Fred, that no one else else knows?

891
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:02,680
Speaker 3: Nothing.

892
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:05,520
Speaker 4: I don't know anything that nobody else knows.

893
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:09,200
Speaker 2: But he wants thing you know, and you've lived or

894
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 2: experienced that no one else knows.

895
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 4: Well, I'll say here's what I think I know, and

896
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 4: that's that Jesus is our refuge, and he is the

897
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:22,560
Speaker 4: only refuge big enough for our little tired, hurting hearts.

898
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 4: And whenever we bring them to something other than him

899
00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:31,480
Speaker 4: to satisfy us. It always hurts. I think it's Jeremiah two.

900
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:35,319
Speaker 4: Maybe my people have committed two evils. They've forsaken me

901
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:37,840
Speaker 4: the font of living water and have built for themselves cisterns,

902
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:42,319
Speaker 4: broken cisterns which don't even hold water. So I would say,

903
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:46,759
Speaker 4: to all of our anxieties and restlessness and exhaustion, the

904
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:51,320
Speaker 4: only thing that works is to rest under the merciful

905
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:54,680
Speaker 4: and beautiful gaze of the good God, who is for us,

906
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 4: not against us. I know that, I know that deep

907
00:45:57,680 --> 00:45:58,400
Speaker 4: in my bones.

908
00:45:58,440 --> 00:45:58,760
Speaker 1: Ah.

909
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:00,880
Speaker 3: Don't you think that's that's true?

910
00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:03,239
Speaker 2: Yeah? I do, But I think other people probably know

911
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:06,680
Speaker 2: that well, not enough. What do you fear?

912
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:11,239
Speaker 3: These are great? Do you ask these to everybody? What

913
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:11,880
Speaker 3: do I fear?

914
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:12,840
Speaker 2: I mix and match.

915
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:17,799
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I fear. I fear that I'm not

916
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:20,719
Speaker 4: doing the will of God that I've talked myself into it.

917
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:27,319
Speaker 4: I fear that I'll that I'll abandon the faith. I

918
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:31,799
Speaker 4: fear that I'll that I'll be rejected and denied by

919
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:33,840
Speaker 4: those closest to me. I mean, I don't know. I

920
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:37,000
Speaker 4: fear what everyone fears. Doesn't everybody fear that consciously or not?

921
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:38,440
Speaker 3: Huh?

922
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:40,600
Speaker 4: No, all right, just me, Okay, I'm.

923
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:41,280
Speaker 2: Leaving you there.

924
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:41,800
Speaker 4: Yeah.

925
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:43,920
Speaker 2: I fear that fears, but not those.

926
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:48,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, I fear leading people astray. I fear I fear

927
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:54,120
Speaker 4: being sincere but sincerely wrong, and my sincere takes leading

928
00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 4: people away from Christ and the Church.

929
00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:56,880
Speaker 3: Oh I fear that.

930
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 2: Wow, that makes sense. Yeah, I see that. I mean,

931
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:04,960
Speaker 2: I see you wrestling with some of those things. The

932
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:06,239
Speaker 2: greatest virtue was.

933
00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:14,800
Speaker 4: What charity, I'll tell you well, A virtue I'm trying

934
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:16,480
Speaker 4: to grow in. I think more of us need to

935
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:19,760
Speaker 4: is meekness, gentleness with other people.

936
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:21,200
Speaker 3: It seems to me that.

937
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:24,240
Speaker 4: The saints were hard on themselves and gentle with others.

938
00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 4: I pray a prayer most mornings and nights by some

939
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:31,520
Speaker 4: Ephrom the Syrian, and in both prayers he'll say something like,

940
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:34,719
Speaker 4: if I have made fun of my brother's sin, when

941
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:37,799
Speaker 4: my own faults are countless, have mercy on me, or

942
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:40,200
Speaker 4: help me to see my own sins and not to

943
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:44,120
Speaker 4: judge my brethren. So I want to grow if the

944
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 4: Lord would allow it. I'd like to grow in patience

945
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:50,759
Speaker 4: with everyone else around me, including people who wear pajama

946
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:54,120
Speaker 4: pajamas on aeroplanes and who push in line and who

947
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:55,480
Speaker 4: chew ice in front of me.

948
00:47:56,600 --> 00:47:57,560
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm guilty of that.

949
00:47:57,719 --> 00:48:00,840
Speaker 3: Oh I hate that. Oh, I hate it. All of

950
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:02,200
Speaker 3: those people should be excommunicator.

951
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:04,200
Speaker 2: No pajamas, I don't wear pajamas.

952
00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:06,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, So I think that's that's a virtue. I

953
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:09,920
Speaker 4: think to be kind to other people, you know.

954
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:11,279
Speaker 3: Ah.

955
00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:14,920
Speaker 4: And I try to remind myself of this. If I

956
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:17,359
Speaker 4: see someone who bugs me, they got blue hair and

957
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:20,279
Speaker 4: pajamas and tattoos everywhere, and I just want to judge them.

958
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:24,360
Speaker 4: I just say, lord, I am a wretch, you know.

959
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:30,480
Speaker 1: And he says, you're not that bad, he's anyway. Oh,

960
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:32,759
Speaker 1: can I play that role just one night. I'll just

961
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:33,560
Speaker 1: walk behind you.

962
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:38,480
Speaker 2: You're not that bad. Don't keep walking. Your biggest regret is.

963
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:43,360
Speaker 4: What, uh, maybe not marrying my wife sooner? It was

964
00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:45,480
Speaker 4: twenty three when I married her. It's pretty good. Yeah,

965
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:52,440
Speaker 4: we've been married nineteen years. Look, marriage is tough marriage

966
00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:56,360
Speaker 4: because you're married to another broken human being. But this

967
00:48:56,920 --> 00:49:00,440
Speaker 4: sounds like something a husband would say to sound like

968
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:03,480
Speaker 4: a good man, and maybe it does, but I also

969
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:08,680
Speaker 4: mean it. She's the best person I have ever met,

970
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:14,319
Speaker 4: and I'm yeah, I'll text my mother in law on

971
00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:16,560
Speaker 4: her birthday, and I'll say thanks for giving birth to

972
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:18,560
Speaker 4: the best person I've ever met. So I wish I

973
00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:19,280
Speaker 4: married her sooner.

974
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:22,719
Speaker 1: That's sweet. And you all have been traveling around together.

975
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:25,120
Speaker 1: Let me tell you all some things too. Being very

976
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:27,160
Speaker 1: honest about your relationship.

977
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:29,799
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I think that's what comes when you

978
00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:32,160
Speaker 4: have a good marriage, is you can be really honest.

979
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:36,160
Speaker 4: You don't have to tiptoe, and so we don't tiptoe.

980
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:38,480
Speaker 4: We tend to be pretty frank with each other, even publicly.

981
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:40,880
Speaker 4: But I will tell I'll tell you a funny story

982
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:42,320
Speaker 4: just in case that made everybody gag.

983
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:43,040
Speaker 2: Yeah.

984
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:45,320
Speaker 4: I was laying in bed one morning with my wife.

985
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:49,000
Speaker 4: We had just come back the night before without exhausted children.

986
00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:52,320
Speaker 4: There were suitcases that had exploded all over the bedroom

987
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:55,960
Speaker 4: and they were crying or something. Was six in the morning,

988
00:49:56,400 --> 00:50:00,640
Speaker 4: and I was wrecked, and I said to my wife, honey, yeah,

989
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:02,920
Speaker 4: I said, you know that sign I once saw that

990
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:05,200
Speaker 4: said if I could do it all over again, I'd

991
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:07,440
Speaker 4: find you sooner so I could love you longer. And

992
00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:09,600
Speaker 4: she went yeah, And I said, I think I'd be

993
00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:10,279
Speaker 4: a Dominican.

994
00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:17,440
Speaker 1: So just a counterbalance was that before the suitcase came

995
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:18,359
Speaker 1: flying at your head.

996
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:19,719
Speaker 3: I think she laughed.

997
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:21,200
Speaker 1: She's got a good sense of hum Well, she's got

998
00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:23,400
Speaker 1: a better sense of humor than the royal household.

999
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:24,320
Speaker 2: I'll leave it there.

1000
00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:28,000
Speaker 1: The best piece of advice you ever received is.

1001
00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:32,799
Speaker 4: What, oh, probably, I mean it would have to be

1002
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:36,640
Speaker 4: with just entrusting yourself to the good Jesus. You know,

1003
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:38,839
Speaker 4: like we have an enemy of our souls, but it's

1004
00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:41,920
Speaker 4: not Christ, it's the accuser of our brethren. So you

1005
00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:46,000
Speaker 4: can trust yourself with all of your faults and brokenness

1006
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:50,760
Speaker 4: and stupidity and inconsistency to him. It won't surprise him.

1007
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:54,120
Speaker 4: And he likes you. Doesn't just love you, which is

1008
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:55,879
Speaker 4: maybe like an obligatory sort of thing.

1009
00:50:56,360 --> 00:50:58,880
Speaker 3: He likes you. And what would that be like if

1010
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:00,880
Speaker 3: you believed it? Something like that?

1011
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:02,440
Speaker 2: What would you do if you couldn't do this?

1012
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:05,040
Speaker 4: If I couldn't do this, I would have no job

1013
00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:08,360
Speaker 4: because I have no skills. I wouldn't mind like running

1014
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:11,600
Speaker 4: a cigar lounge or something like that.

1015
00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:14,040
Speaker 2: You wouldn't want to teach?

1016
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:18,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I think I think i'd be a good teacher. Yeah,

1017
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:19,360
Speaker 4: I'd enjoy teaching.

1018
00:51:19,719 --> 00:51:21,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I see that.

1019
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:24,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I've always thought that you could certainly

1020
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:26,440
Speaker 1: do that. I mean, I don't want to get in

1021
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:30,719
Speaker 1: the way of your future cigar Yeah, into enterprises.

1022
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:34,279
Speaker 2: But you know what happens when this is over?

1023
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:37,799
Speaker 3: Pints? Is that what you mean? It's a great question, right,

1024
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:38,360
Speaker 3: because it is a.

1025
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:41,400
Speaker 2: Question I leave to you to decipher and determined.

1026
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:44,759
Speaker 4: Christ didn't promise that the gates of hell would not

1027
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:48,279
Speaker 4: prevail against pintes. With a quietness or whatever your apostleate

1028
00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:50,799
Speaker 4: or whoever's watching apostlet it is, all of it will

1029
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:54,920
Speaker 4: turn to ash. I read a great quote once it

1030
00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:59,120
Speaker 4: said preach the Gospel, die and be forgotten. And I

1031
00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:01,880
Speaker 4: would like would like to believe that, and I would

1032
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:05,839
Speaker 4: like to hope that. I mean that, what do I

1033
00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:06,839
Speaker 4: do when this is over?

1034
00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:08,959
Speaker 2: What happens when this is over?

1035
00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:09,680
Speaker 3: Oh?

1036
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:10,160
Speaker 2: Nothing?

1037
00:52:11,080 --> 00:52:13,480
Speaker 4: Something else will happen, Like if this is providing a

1038
00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:16,200
Speaker 4: need for people, if this is a blessing to people

1039
00:52:16,239 --> 00:52:20,240
Speaker 4: in some capacity, many other things will continue to bless

1040
00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:24,880
Speaker 4: long after this has has has fallen into rubble. It

1041
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:29,680
Speaker 4: reminds me of what when Frodo asked Gandolf, you know,

1042
00:52:29,719 --> 00:52:31,440
Speaker 4: why has the Ring come to me like this this

1043
00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:34,360
Speaker 4: very important mission? And he says something like, well, you

1044
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:36,920
Speaker 4: can be sure that it's not because they weren't wiser

1045
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:38,319
Speaker 4: people or better people than you.

1046
00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:39,680
Speaker 2: I like that.

1047
00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:43,480
Speaker 4: So I think the Lord has given me this podcast

1048
00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:45,480
Speaker 4: that he wants me to proclaim the gospel and to

1049
00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:47,920
Speaker 4: interview people who can also do that. I think it's

1050
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:51,520
Speaker 4: a platform through which the beauty of the Catholic Church

1051
00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:55,880
Speaker 4: can can can shine around the world, and glory to

1052
00:52:55,960 --> 00:52:59,000
Speaker 4: Jesus Christ for that. And when it's over, he will

1053
00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:00,920
Speaker 4: raise up whatever he wants to raise up.

1054
00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:04,240
Speaker 2: Isn't that interesting? That's the way you saw that question.

1055
00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:07,440
Speaker 1: Oh, people read that differently when you say what happens

1056
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:09,400
Speaker 1: when this is over? Some say, you mean this interview,

1057
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:13,279
Speaker 1: you mean life, You meant pints.

1058
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:13,719
Speaker 2: With a quinas?

1059
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:15,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, what does that say about it?

1060
00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:16,040
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1061
00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:18,520
Speaker 4: Telling me that's what you're focused on, Well, I have

1062
00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:20,920
Speaker 4: been thinking lately because.

1063
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:22,040
Speaker 2: It's at the forefront of your mind.

1064
00:53:22,040 --> 00:53:22,520
Speaker 3: Well, here's a.

1065
00:53:22,520 --> 00:53:24,520
Speaker 4: Question, like do I have to do this till I'm senile?

1066
00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:25,000
Speaker 2: Yes?

1067
00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:26,320
Speaker 3: What's the off ramp for people?

1068
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:28,080
Speaker 2: But me? Oh my gosh, Like.

1069
00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:30,960
Speaker 3: YouTube's a very new medium. Yeah, we're supposed to be

1070
00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:31,440
Speaker 3: doing this.

1071
00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:33,879
Speaker 1: Man, if you can't become a parody of yourself, what

1072
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:34,440
Speaker 1: good are you.

1073
00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:37,040
Speaker 2: That's you know, you want to you want to get

1074
00:53:37,080 --> 00:53:38,040
Speaker 2: to the ripe Ole day.

1075
00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:40,480
Speaker 1: You want to be the Mickey Rooney of Theroup, the

1076
00:53:40,520 --> 00:53:42,279
Speaker 1: thing where you know, you become the parent.

1077
00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:44,240
Speaker 3: I don't want to be Joe Biden to the President.

1078
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:46,680
Speaker 2: You don't want to go that day. He didn't. I

1079
00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:47,920
Speaker 2: forgot who Joe Biden was.

1080
00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:51,160
Speaker 4: I'd like to get off this before it's too late.

1081
00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:53,279
Speaker 4: But anyway, do you see an end Do you see

1082
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:55,319
Speaker 4: an end point? What would be the end point to this?

1083
00:53:55,719 --> 00:53:55,919
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1084
00:53:56,280 --> 00:53:56,680
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1085
00:53:57,160 --> 00:54:00,680
Speaker 4: I you know, I think that if I'm engaging in

1086
00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:04,000
Speaker 4: things that are having an overall negative impact on my

1087
00:54:04,080 --> 00:54:06,359
Speaker 4: wife and children, then that would be an excellent sign

1088
00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:10,680
Speaker 4: to stop. What are the difficulties about assessing whether or

1089
00:54:10,719 --> 00:54:13,920
Speaker 4: not the thing that you're doing online should continue or not.

1090
00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:16,600
Speaker 4: Is that no matter what you are doing online, it's

1091
00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:19,520
Speaker 4: always going to appeal to somebody, and so somebody somewhere

1092
00:54:19,560 --> 00:54:21,480
Speaker 4: is always going to be praising you for doing that thing.

1093
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Speaker 4: But that isn't a sign that you should continue.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but you do do it for the audience.

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Speaker 3: Do I?

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Speaker 1: I don't think so, you don't know, I don't see

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Speaker 1: I have to tell you I do this only for

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Speaker 1: the d I don't.

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Speaker 4: Care about the audience that much. I really, yeah, I

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Speaker 4: just I want to talk to.

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Speaker 2: You know who the audience is.

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Speaker 4: I mean, have a I have a pretty good understanding

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Speaker 4: of the demographic who watched the show. And don't get

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Speaker 4: me wrong, I want it to be a benefit to them.

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Speaker 4: Like we prayed before our interview, we pray that Christ

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Speaker 4: would lead people into relationship with himself. So that's that's

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Speaker 4: I definitely do it for the sake of the gospel.

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Speaker 4: But I don't think of the audience because I just

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Speaker 4: talked to who I want to talk to. It's quite selfish, hmmmm,

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Speaker 4: But I think that's the way. That's the best way

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Speaker 4: I can serve my audience. I am not caring about that, right,

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Speaker 4: but rather caring about the kind of conversations I have, right,

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Speaker 4: because I think those are the sorts of conversations people

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Speaker 4: want to hear.

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Speaker 1: To draw something authentic out of them. Yeah, yeah, I

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Speaker 1: understand that. I see that. It's not something I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I'm kind of fascinated by it because I just take it.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I get that, and I appreciate that. I

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Speaker 1: also I just I stayed in the game for a

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Speaker 1: different reason. But maybe it's the same reason to serve

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Speaker 1: and build up that audience that needs the people sitting

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Speaker 1: opposite you, and if you're not here, those conversations won't happen.

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Speaker 4: Let me tell you two quick stories if I can.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah.

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Speaker 4: One is I just got an email from someone two

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Speaker 4: years ago. They heard a conversation I had with Christopher

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Speaker 4: West in which we talked about vaseectims and vaseectomy reversals.

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Speaker 4: We said on that interview that we would raise the

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Speaker 4: money for whoever wants of a sector me reversal and to

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Speaker 4: reach out to us.

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Speaker 2: Well, I thought you were going in the other direction.

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Speaker 3: Okay, reversals. Long story short.

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Speaker 4: About a week ago, I get a photograph of this

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Speaker 4: baby that now exists because they listened to that show

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Speaker 4: and we were able to give them. Christopher West specifically

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Speaker 4: raise the money to have that done. That's huge. Another

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Speaker 4: story is a nun just gave me a letter from

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Speaker 4: a boy. I won't say where, but it's a well

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Speaker 4: I won't say where, because he now sneaks out of

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Speaker 4: his house in the morning to go to Holy Mass

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Speaker 4: while his dad's still sleeping from the night shift. Because

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Speaker 4: he's been listening to pines with a queenness for years

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Speaker 4: and wants to be Catholic, so glory to Jesus Christ.

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Speaker 4: So I don't mean that I don't care about my audience.

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Speaker 4: I want people to come to know the church the

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Speaker 4: Christ established and to enter it. But what I mean

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Speaker 4: is that that's not the forefront of my mind. What's

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Speaker 4: on the forefront of my mind is who do I

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Speaker 4: want to talk to and about.

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Speaker 2: What that makes sense?

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Speaker 1: Well, thank you for talking to me, yeah, and coming

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Speaker 1: on the show and having me on your show. Indeed,

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Speaker 1: and keep the pints flowing.

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Speaker 2: I'll keep the Royal Grande flowing.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you.

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Speaker 2: Okay, here's the whole.

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Speaker 1: I love Matt Fred's curiosity and the honesty that comes

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Speaker 1: with it. He's willing to kind of let those conversations

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Speaker 1: go along and keep probing, and he gives his interviewee

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Speaker 1: the space.

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Speaker 2: To explore new territory and talk.

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Speaker 1: So often, so many interviewers you see, not on this show,

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Speaker 1: but on others, they get in the way of the interview,

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Speaker 1: They cut the interview off, or they try to dominate

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Speaker 1: the interview. People aren't there to hear you. They come

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Speaker 1: to hear the person you're interviewing, and I love that

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Speaker 1: Matt gives people time to do that, and I've been

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Speaker 1: the beneficiary of his kindness. And there was something he

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Speaker 1: said early on that we shouldn't lose sight of. It's

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Speaker 1: not until you start fighting against something that you realize

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Speaker 1: just how much of a.

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Speaker 2: Grip it has on you. But it's worth the fight.

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Speaker 1: And that's sometimes the only way to find your true calling,

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Speaker 1: your true and authentic life, by putting up a fight

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Speaker 1: against that thing that has a hold on you.

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Speaker 2: I hope you come back to a royal grande.

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Speaker 1: Why settle for a dry, constricted life when if you

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Speaker 1: fill it with wisdom and knowledge, it can flow into

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Speaker 1: a broad, thriving Arroyo Grande.

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Speaker 2: I'm Raymond Royo.

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Speaker 1: Make sure you subscribe like this episode, Thank you for

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Speaker 1: diving in, and we'll see you next time. Arroyo Grande

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Speaker 1: is produced in partnership with iHeart Podcasts and DP Studios.

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Speaker 1: It's available on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get

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Speaker 1: your podcasts.