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Speaker 1: Welcome everybody to the Water Relief Podcast. This is the

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Speaker 1: fifth episode. This has been one that I've been looking

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Speaker 1: forward to doing for a very long time. I've finally

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Speaker 1: gotten hold of Jake Fishman, and I've finally gotten him

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Speaker 1: here long enough to be able to have him on

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Speaker 1: the podcast. So it is my honor to introduce a

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Speaker 1: left handed sidewinder Team Israel legend, best name on the Marlins,

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Speaker 1: Jake Fishman, How.

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Speaker 2: Are you doing doing good? Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: All right, so you were born in Massachusetts a day

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Speaker 1: after my birthday. Really we're a day apart, five years apart,

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Speaker 1: but a day apart. Yeah, you were drafted by the

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Speaker 1: Blue Jays in the thirtieth round in twenty sixteen.

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Speaker 3: Take me through what the feeling of getting drafted his life.

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Speaker 2: It's pretty crazy, to be honest.

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Speaker 4: You know, for me, it was a hectic few days

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Speaker 4: because I didn't know what was going to happen. You know,

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Speaker 4: I heard from a few scouts that maybe it could

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Speaker 4: be in the you know, early ten to twelfth round range,

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Speaker 4: and you know, on that last day, those rounds are

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Speaker 4: flying by, so you know, the tenth and twelfth round

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Speaker 4: went by very quickly, and then I was like, Wow,

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Speaker 4: you know, I have no idea what's going to happen.

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Speaker 4: And eventually I got a phone call from the Blue

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Speaker 4: Jay scout that signed me. And it's just overwhelming. Joy

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Speaker 4: is the feeling that I got.

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Speaker 1: So you spent much of your time since then in

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Speaker 1: the minor leagues different than the Blue Jay system, the

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Speaker 1: Marlin system, but a lot of people might not know this.

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Speaker 1: You went and got Israeli citizenship to play for Team

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Speaker 1: Israel in the Olympics, and I want to start there

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Speaker 1: because to me, that's incredible. What was that process like

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Speaker 1: and what went in you the decision to do that?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so.

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Speaker 4: That process was it was pretty lengthy, a lot of

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Speaker 4: documentation and getting documents ready, a lot of planning from

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Speaker 4: you know, Team Israel to gather all these teammates, bring

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Speaker 4: them over to Israel and get them their citizenship. And

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Speaker 4: I mean they did a they did a phenomenal job

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Speaker 4: experience to be honest, to be able to go to Israel,

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Speaker 4: spend eight days there with some of my teammates, some

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Speaker 4: of my Team Israel teammates and explore Israel and we

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Speaker 4: did a lot of you know, coaching baseball there for kids,

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Speaker 4: and that was that was you know, a big portion

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Speaker 4: of it. Because baseball in Israel is basically non existent.

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Speaker 4: It's growing because of a lot of the work that

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Speaker 4: we did. But there's one field in all of Israel.

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Speaker 4: Now there's two fields because of you know a lot

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Speaker 4: of the fundraising that Team Israel has done, they were

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Speaker 4: grow the game of baseball there.

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Speaker 1: So so you might not know this. A lot of

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Speaker 1: people might not know this, but there was a league

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Speaker 1: in Israel in two thousand and seven.

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Speaker 3: My father was actually the president of the league.

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Speaker 2: Wow. Like that.

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Speaker 3: There were teams like.

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Speaker 1: The petalp Ticbook Pioneers, the Gourdine Miracle and I remember

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Speaker 1: going to Israel that season and those they were played

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Speaker 1: on like back backyard fields, but like the minimums, the

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Speaker 3: Were hacked with people.

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 1: And it's I've always wanted to how much baseball could

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Speaker 3: Did you guys climb Asada when you guys went to Israel?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: We did? Yeah? How was that?

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Speaker 4: It is good? We actually we took the short route up.

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Speaker 4: The long way up was I can't remember. It might

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Speaker 3: So you went to the Olympics.

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Speaker 1: What's it like being involved in the whole opening ceremony,

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Speaker 1: and how is that?

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Speaker 2: What is that like? It's insane.

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Speaker 4: It's exactly you know what you would imagine it to be.

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Speaker 4: It's it's very surreal and uh, you know, you're spending

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Speaker 4: So you describe those games as the most intense games

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Speaker 4: everybody's going one hundred and ten, and I swear you know,

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Speaker 4: I saw some of the best plays I've ever seen

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Speaker 3: So along those lines, who was the hardest hitter you

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Speaker 1: That's a good question, but I'll extend it to the

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Speaker 1: World Baseball Classic also because you've also played in the

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Speaker 4: So I was just a reserve in the twenty seventeen

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Speaker 3: That's a failure on my research team.

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Speaker 4: No, No, I mean it was. It was fun to

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Speaker 4: face Jose Batista, that's for sure. I mean he's very

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Speaker 1: What athlete from which country and playing which sports did

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Speaker 1: you find to be the most interesting person that you met.

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Speaker 2: At the Olympics. That's a good question.

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Speaker 4: I don't think I can honestly pinpoint it to a

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Speaker 4: single athlete, but for me, just going in the weight

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Speaker 4: everybody's doing was very interesting to me because so many

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Speaker 2: Have people working on their routines.

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Speaker 4: There, whether it's you know there, there's just so much

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Speaker 4: interesting to watch what people are doing from other countries.

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Speaker 1: So this year marks the fiftieth anniversary of the seventy

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Speaker 1: two Olympics in Munich, where it was obviously terrible when

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Speaker 1: you played routine Israel.

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Speaker 3: Was that ever discussed that? Was it ever brought up?

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Speaker 1: Did you guys ever talk about it or in any

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean we definitely talked about it. We went

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Speaker 1: And yeah, so on a like note, what was it

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Speaker 2: It is great?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So the next World Bismall Classic.

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Speaker 3: Is here this year? You got any plans?

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Speaker 4: Uh? Yeah, I mean, obviously I'd love to play. I

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Speaker 4: know they're working through there. There are lists of people

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Speaker 1: So if if you do end up going to the event,

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Speaker 1: how does that affect your preparation for the season. Does

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Speaker 1: it make you start earlier, does it get in the way,

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Speaker 1: do you completely change everything?

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Speaker 2: That's a good question. I feel that.

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Speaker 4: My current preparation will put me in a pretty good

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Speaker 4: you know, I'll start throwing bullpens a little bit earlier,

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Speaker 4: that time. But we'll definitely have faced enough batters by

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Speaker 1: So, so now you're back here in the in the

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Speaker 1: major leagues. As you approach the major leagues again, what

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Speaker 2: That's a good question.

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Speaker 4: Definitely, I'd like to work on just the mental side

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Speaker 4: of the game. It's a lot different up here. Obviously

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Speaker 4: than being in triple A new environment, new teammates definitely

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Speaker 4: And you know, you after I had my debut and

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Speaker 4: I definitely understand what I need to do, and I

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Speaker 1: So when you take them out, when you trot out

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Speaker 1: there to one of the best walk up songs in

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Speaker 1: the wade, get to that in a moment, does does

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Speaker 1: the manager in this case doun Natalie, does he like

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Speaker 1: advise you on what he's looking for or does he say,

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Speaker 1: here you go talk to the catcher keept going.

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Speaker 4: It depends most of the time. Pretty much all the time,

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Speaker 3: As Jake Fishman makes his major Lake debut. Fishman checks

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Speaker 2: Now the one one to the.

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Speaker 1: So after an outing, how much how much tape do

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Speaker 1: you want? How much do you go into the tape

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Speaker 1: and the charts and all the stats?

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Speaker 3: How much do you go into that after after an outing?

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Speaker 4: It depends on the outing, to be honest, but generally

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Speaker 4: I'll go back and I'll watch the outing, mostly to

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Speaker 4: because a lot of times you'd be like, wow, I

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Speaker 2: You'll go back and.

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Speaker 4: You'll watch it and it's over the plate down the middle,

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Speaker 4: sift through what happened after the outing.

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Speaker 1: Three more baseball questions and then I'll get to the

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Speaker 1: fun stuff.

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Speaker 3: Okay, this is a question from one of the other

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Speaker 3: fish stripes.

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Speaker 1: Guys, what do you see as your strengths and weaknesses

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Speaker 1: as a pitcher and how do you capitalize on those

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Speaker 1: strengths and eliminate those weaknesses.

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Speaker 2: It's a very good question.

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Speaker 4: So my to me, my strengths are definitely being able

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Speaker 4: to get a lot of ground balls with my sinker.

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Speaker 4: And you know this, I have a new slider this year,

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Speaker 4: so it's it's definitely been a process working through how

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Speaker 4: I feel like it's really helped me against Writy's so

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Speaker 1: You have a very wacky delivery. What what facilitated that?

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Speaker 3: How did that start?

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Speaker 4: If the ball's moving like this, how can I how

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Speaker 4: So, you know, although my fastball is really only eighty

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Speaker 3: Okay, So now I'll get into the fun stuff. You

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Speaker 1: So Steven Oker a couple months ago showed me some

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Speaker 3: What's the story behind those shirts?

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Speaker 2: I had a teammate.

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Speaker 4: I won't I won't specify any names, but they called

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Speaker 1: And for those who don't know, the Goliath Grouper used

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Speaker 3: Yes, because of its long nose, I, for one find hysterical.

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Speaker 1: There were people that didn't really like that being called it,

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Speaker 3: What went into that designing that and that idea?

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Speaker 4: No, they just called me the Goliath Grouper and an

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Speaker 2: Funny if we had a T shirt.

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Speaker 4: It's basically a jacked Goliath Grouper, you know character uh,

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Speaker 2: It's hysterical and it's awesome.

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Speaker 3: So you have a YouTube channel.

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Speaker 1: You are known as the I T Guy. When did

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Speaker 4: Videl So I uploaded my first video in twenty eighteen

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Speaker 4: And the video, you know, did pretty decent, got a

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Speaker 4: And I was like, Okay, if I reach a thousand subscribers,

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Speaker 2: They like, that's pretty cool.

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Speaker 4: So I'll see if I can do that, just casually

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Speaker 1: All right, and then my final question is the one

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Speaker 1: Way to last, your walk up song is the Pokemon

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Speaker 3: Explain.

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Speaker 4: I've had that walk up song since high school. You know,

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Speaker 3: It's become a hit with with bands.

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Speaker 1: Like when you came out to the mound in that

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So, for I want to say thank you for a podcast.

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Speaker 1: This means a lot to me as as a as

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Speaker 1: an orthodoxy do doing this in this business as a

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Speaker 1: see you when you come down for the World Whistell Classic.

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Speaker 3: Hopefully you stick.

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Speaker 1: Around here for a little while longer. Yeah, thank you

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Speaker 1: so much. Is there anything before we end off that

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Speaker 3: You want to give?

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Speaker 4: Uh, Yeah, I mean I guess I'll shout out my

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Speaker 2: Definitely.

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Speaker 3: All right, thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: This has been the one to relief podcast on the

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Speaker 1: Fish Stripes podcast network.

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Speaker 3: I'm your host.

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Speaker 1: Noburger will be back in the near future with another

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Speaker 1: Mons reliever