Speaker 1: This show contains adult material and swearing. You have been warned.
Speaker 1: I feel like you're like working for the pr foot
Speaker 1: fetisures right now. I'm sold.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sold. That's train. I'm like, let me get
Speaker 2: my foot out, suck my toes.
Speaker 3: Around me.
Speaker 2: I'm a savage.
Speaker 1: Are you bored of modern dating? Meeting the same people
Speaker 1: from the same apps in the same bar You've only
Speaker 1: chosen because it's close to your house and you can
Speaker 1: make your usual quick getaway. It's time to change the
Speaker 1: narrative on how we find love. It's time to start
Speaker 1: looking for love in all the wrong places. I'm going
Speaker 1: on a wild dating adventure, only picking people who are
Speaker 1: the total opposite of my type. And after twenty eight
Speaker 1: of these dates in two months, will I find that
Speaker 1: special someone? Or well, this experiment proved that I should
Speaker 1: just give up on dating altogether. It's time to find out.
Speaker 1: I'm Grace Campbell and this is twenty eight dates later. Hey, Grace,
Speaker 1: hi Ross, how are you.
Speaker 3: I'm good? I am very excited about this week because
Speaker 3: you went on a date with someone who has a
Speaker 3: foot fetish Like, tell me, like, where did you find him?
Speaker 1: Honestly, what is my fucking life. I found him on
Speaker 1: field and on his profile it said that he has
Speaker 1: a foot fetti. Really yeah, And okay, what's your like
Speaker 1: initial when you hear something? If you found out that
Speaker 1: someone you know has a foot fetish, what do you think?
Speaker 2: I wouldn't judge at all.
Speaker 3: Like I'm intrigued by it, like and not an intrigued
Speaker 3: in a way of like it's a novelty.
Speaker 2: I think I'm kind of intrigued by.
Speaker 3: It because I'm always trying to get my boyfriend to
Speaker 3: give me a foot massatae and he's like.
Speaker 2: No get away.
Speaker 3: And I'm like, I wish you had a full fetish,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 2: What I mean. If you're tired at night, you should
Speaker 2: be like, look, just I keep my.
Speaker 4: End of the bed.
Speaker 2: You do your thing, although I'm not.
Speaker 3: Really sure that that's what a full fetish person will
Speaker 3: be doing. My football listen, I like, as long as
Speaker 3: you're touching, and I think it is really well.
Speaker 1: I think they like to massage fee. I think they
Speaker 1: like to suck toes and stuff. I think maybe they
Speaker 1: also like to sexualize feet, so it's maybe okay.
Speaker 3: Well, I feel like, okay, I feel like he wouldn't
Speaker 3: necessarily like me like I have been hiking for a
Speaker 3: long time. I have a bion on one side. My
Speaker 3: feet are like I've got big feet, Like, actually, maybe
Speaker 3: they'd like that.
Speaker 1: Well, this guy was really into hiking.
Speaker 3: I did, actually, sorry, I did look at his profile
Speaker 3: and I was just like, he is like a wholesome lad.
Speaker 2: Yea his fast picture, he's scuba diving.
Speaker 1: His second picture he looks like he's on a boat
Speaker 1: and he's very.
Speaker 2: Talk because he hunched over.
Speaker 1: It, like, yeah, it is his head touching the room.
Speaker 2: Sorry, he's six seven, he's six seven. And then he
Speaker 2: has another photo that I have no idea what this is.
Speaker 1: So he's done a test, right, and he's put the
Speaker 1: screenshot of the results of his test, and it's basically
Speaker 1: a test to see what his kinks are. And there
Speaker 1: are loads of words here. I don't know, rigor exhibitionists.
Speaker 1: He got hard percent for Voyer non monogamoust degrader one
Speaker 1: hundred percent dominant, ninety percent experimentalist.
Speaker 3: Say this, sorry, what's a brat tamer? That sounds like
Speaker 3: my type?
Speaker 2: Also a primal hunter, Like, what's what are you gonna do?
Speaker 2: Dress you opposite deer?
Speaker 1: Sorry? A brat tamer is what I'm looking for, So
Speaker 1: he's making it clear there that he's looking for people
Speaker 1: who are exploring their kinks. When I got there, he
Speaker 1: was sat down and he didn't actually stand up when
Speaker 1: I got there, So I didn't really get to soak
Speaker 1: in how tall he was until later on.
Speaker 2: But the first.
Speaker 1: Thing I asked him about was what was it like
Speaker 1: being so tall? You're six and seven?
Speaker 5: I am, yes, God, I bet that gets you loads
Speaker 5: of a bit of.
Speaker 4: A tenter, quite a lot of facts. I would say,
Speaker 4: I love format they do.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I feel like I wouldn't want to be any tolderman. Yeah,
Speaker 5: I once matched with a girl who is four foot
Speaker 5: eight on hinge. I didn't see when I.
Speaker 4: Couldn't.
Speaker 1: Oh, that would be like where on your body?
Speaker 4: Maybe?
Speaker 1: No way?
Speaker 2: Where? Sorry? Where did he point to?
Speaker 1: Like below his ribs?
Speaker 2: I'm gonna I'm such a dirty mind. It's like where
Speaker 2: did he point to his dick? So? Like, is he
Speaker 2: to deal breaker for you?
Speaker 4: Uh?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: So sorry? What height are you? Grace? I know you're
Speaker 2: like what.
Speaker 1: I'm yeah, yeah, So it's it's not a deal breaker.
Speaker 1: I don't need to go out of a basketball player,
Speaker 1: but I don't I would, I wouldn't want a boyfriend
Speaker 1: who's shorter than me, you.
Speaker 3: Know, yeah, God, like I suppose I'm five five eleven.
Speaker 3: I've always gone it with guys who are told than
Speaker 3: me but are the same. Yeah, I actually I've I've
Speaker 3: actually sorry, I want to get to someone who's smaller
Speaker 3: than me. Did you, Tom Hardy, if you're listening, what
Speaker 3: I actually I did?
Speaker 2: I did actually go out with someone who was smaller
Speaker 2: than me. Yeah, by how much?
Speaker 3: Oh? He was probably like I'm so I'm five five eleven,
Speaker 3: he's probably five to seven. You're lying, No, No, I'm serious.
Speaker 3: Yeah that's a mad difference. Yes, wow, And did you
Speaker 3: and you didn't mind that?
Speaker 2: No? Like he was I was in school.
Speaker 3: He was really cool, So like I think I was
Speaker 3: just like you know, when you're in school, you just
Speaker 3: want to go out with the popular guys whatever.
Speaker 2: But yeah, it didn't actually bother me at all. But
Speaker 2: I think from then.
Speaker 3: I've never gone out with someone who's who's smaller anyway, Like,
Speaker 3: was there anything maybe at the day that you didn't like?
Speaker 3: Because I'm sorry, but you seem you're like, oh, it's
Speaker 3: really nice, but you don't seem.
Speaker 2: Like I did.
Speaker 1: I don't think I don't think like I could tell
Speaker 1: yeah that he was attractive, and I feel like he
Speaker 1: shags a lot. Really why because he told me, how
Speaker 1: long have you been single?
Speaker 4: About nine months? Now?
Speaker 5: Like when I came out of my relationship, I was like,
Speaker 5: went through a bit of a slusty period.
Speaker 4: Just enjoying myself.
Speaker 5: And then yeah, then had a bit of a haters
Speaker 5: for a couple of months, and now I'm like, bash,
Speaker 5: I bet yeah, I had quite a bit of fun
Speaker 5: a few weeks ago, had a freesome with a girl
Speaker 5: and her best mate.
Speaker 4: That was super fun. Now it's just like living living
Speaker 4: your life, living my best life. This was not me
Speaker 4: like a couple of years ago.
Speaker 2: Bless him. He's having he's having his slat period.
Speaker 3: It's funny because like on other dates when guys have
Speaker 3: bragged a bit off like this, I'm like, oh whatever,
Speaker 3: But with him, I'm like, go you no, No.
Speaker 2: I don't know why. He just seems like such a
Speaker 2: nice guy because he had.
Speaker 1: A sort of like very humble, like kind of nerdy energy.
Speaker 1: Why don't you just see Yeah, so he was twenty eight,
Speaker 1: So as me.
Speaker 2: Jesus, I thought you were forty. Fuck off.
Speaker 1: Somebody said to me the other day that I could
Speaker 1: be sixty four.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, Grace, Oh my gosh. Yeah, so like yeah, eight,
Speaker 2: like he's just living his best life.
Speaker 1: He's just living his life, and so I feel he
Speaker 1: just wants to like have fun and he's doing that.
Speaker 1: But he seemed quite like communicative. He'd probably be one
Speaker 1: of those guys, which also annoys me if he'd start
Speaker 1: seeing someone them be like, by the way, I want
Speaker 1: to say, I'm not looking for a relationship right now,
Speaker 1: but I think he'd communicate that he wouldn't like lead someone.
Speaker 3: On, So like, Okay, he's very open about like obviously
Speaker 3: his fetishes and his sex life.
Speaker 2: Was there anything that he was like like did he
Speaker 2: ask you any questions? Like was he like this is
Speaker 2: something I want to do? U?
Speaker 1: No? No, because I think I was very much the
Speaker 1: vanilla person in that situation, which you can relate to.
Speaker 1: He was very much in his slot era and he
Speaker 1: is shagging around. Do you date quite a lot?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, because like you're having sex, like is.
Speaker 4: It like more like I've got a very high sex drive,
Speaker 4: so it's more for the sex. But I'm not into
Speaker 4: like one night stands.
Speaker 5: Right, Okay, Mostly they can be good, but mostly ship.
Speaker 4: If you've got like kinks and fetishes, you're not.
Speaker 1: Gonna dispose at the beginning.
Speaker 4: Time, like trusting communication.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what are you?
Speaker 5: I like a bit of lingerie massiveish and a bit
Speaker 5: of foot fetish.
Speaker 4: Really yeah.
Speaker 5: I feel like some people get like proper wedded out
Speaker 5: by it and be like, oh no, but why exactly?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't really understand that.
Speaker 4: No, I don't.
Speaker 5: But but then a lot of a lot of obviously
Speaker 5: not everyone's the same, of course, but a lot of
Speaker 5: women they never have their foot slicks whatever.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and then they love it.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I've got like amazing feet, so I'm always
Speaker 1: very like show off my feet. My grandma says I
Speaker 1: should have been a foot model. They and she was
Speaker 1: right now.
Speaker 2: He just came. Yeah, he was hard and you could
Speaker 2: tell the boner.
Speaker 3: I was waiting for you, like the whole conversation, just
Speaker 3: to be like, I've got grafie until he can see them.
Speaker 1: When he was like a lot of women don't realize
Speaker 1: that they have a footberge until they get there.
Speaker 2: He sucked.
Speaker 1: I was like, I feel like you're like working for
Speaker 1: the pr heat fetishes right now, I'm sold.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sold, let's try it.
Speaker 1: I'm like, let me get.
Speaker 2: My foot out, and he sucked my toes.
Speaker 4: Back.
Speaker 5: When I was like twenty one twenty two, I had
Speaker 5: a bit of a sugar mama sit question.
Speaker 4: Really very weird set up, right, this obviously been in life.
Speaker 4: A twenty two year old lad.
Speaker 5: I was like, yeah, why not had this woman take
Speaker 5: me out for dinner by myself?
Speaker 1: How old was she?
Speaker 4: She was thirty eight.
Speaker 1: How did you meet her?
Speaker 4: Just some tinder?
Speaker 5: And then after after a few weeks of it, it
Speaker 5: was very like it wasn't anything long term. But after
Speaker 5: each told me she was married and her husband knew
Speaker 5: that she has taken.
Speaker 1: Me out, But what are you getting with each other?
Speaker 2: Wow?
Speaker 5: Her husband enjoyed this and wanted to watch us, And
Speaker 5: I was like, oh, twenty two year old lad, why not?
Speaker 5: And yeah, there's one a couple of occasional, I think.
Speaker 4: The second time, I was like, this is a bit weird.
Speaker 4: Well he was there, yeah, yeah, he was there.
Speaker 5: Just watching me get with his wife.
Speaker 1: God, I feel like I've really not lived alife.
Speaker 2: Wow, you agree, you haven't lived a life? So you're
Speaker 2: a fellare has seen you been railed with someone else?
Speaker 2: I'm telling you by a twenty one year old. That's
Speaker 2: kind of mad.
Speaker 1: He was twenty one. Yeah, that's fucking insane. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: also kind of weird that she didn't say from the
Speaker 1: get go, I'm married, and then I'm married and she's what,
Speaker 1: what's the difference seventeen years older than him?
Speaker 2: It's kind of mad.
Speaker 1: I think the term for that is cuck where he's
Speaker 1: in a cut cold.
Speaker 2: God, I'm sorry.
Speaker 3: I just feel so like naive, like I live under
Speaker 3: a rock vanilla like, but like Genie Mack.
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Was That's what I'm saying, Like even and even I
Speaker 1: feel like that, and I don't usually feel like this
Speaker 1: what I do so type.
Speaker 3: Of question like obviously you know he's spoken to walknely,
Speaker 3: but he's like, I'm gonna call them sexipades. Would you
Speaker 3: feel like inferior in terms of how much he's done?
Speaker 1: No, No, I don't really. I don't really worry about
Speaker 1: stuff like that, to be honest. I just think if
Speaker 1: I like someone and we're like dating, I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: just be good in bed. And sometimes people are better
Speaker 1: in bed because they have had all of these excapades.
Speaker 1: Sometimes they're not. I don't really mind about that, No,
Speaker 1: as long as you don't lie about like things that
Speaker 1: have happened.
Speaker 2: I definitely would anyway. Really, I think i'd be like,
Speaker 2: oh God.
Speaker 1: But it's like that thing where you know, it's like
Speaker 1: the craziest of way that people like put this pressure on,
Speaker 1: like what your partner's like body count is. I once
Speaker 1: had a boyfriend and I told him how many people
Speaker 1: I'd chagged. He told me how many people he chagged,
Speaker 1: but I could just tell he was lying to make
Speaker 1: it more because he was so intimidated by how many people.
Speaker 1: And it actually ended up being a huge issue because
Speaker 1: he had this issue with how many people I'd already
Speaker 1: had sex with, And I was like, why do you care? Like,
Speaker 1: I'm not having sex with them in front of you.
Speaker 1: I'm not having sex with them now before you even
Speaker 1: knew that I existed.
Speaker 2: Isn't it funny here?
Speaker 3: Like if you start dating someone and if they asked
Speaker 3: that question, which you just.
Speaker 2: Probably shouldn't even get into.
Speaker 3: I know from my upbringing in a very religious all
Speaker 3: girls school, you almost are like.
Speaker 2: Oh, just counted on one hand, you know, like you
Speaker 2: always need an underpaged back Jesus.
Speaker 3: No, Well, I think until really recently, like most women,
Speaker 3: if it was a lot would lie, oh yeah, until
Speaker 3: very recently. But then now I also think women feel
Speaker 3: they need to lie and say it was more, which
Speaker 3: is also on necessary and ridiculous.
Speaker 1: There's there's kind of no right or wrong way.
Speaker 2: After the state did you did you go home and
Speaker 2: tell your parents a been.
Speaker 1: Um, no way, the thing is right, Like my dad
Speaker 1: and my mum like when they watch me do stand up.
Speaker 1: Obviously it's a hard process for them because I talk
Speaker 1: so much about like my sex life and my dating
Speaker 1: life and whatever. And people always say to my dad, like,
Speaker 1: how does it feel like watching Grace? And he says,
Speaker 1: this thing I can't work out of this an insult,
Speaker 1: but he says, I just disassociate, so like I'm there,
Speaker 1: but I'm not quite there. And when I realize I'm there,
Speaker 1: I tell myself that's not your daughter. I think we're
Speaker 1: very conditioned into like not being able to have these conversations,
Speaker 1: which is why it's always quite uncomfortable. Like even when
Speaker 1: you were young, you didn't really know how to be like,
Speaker 1: I actually don't like that. Do You'd let it?
Speaker 3: How?
Speaker 1: And then you get older and you're like, actually, no,
Speaker 1: I don't want you to do that, but then you
Speaker 1: sort of are scared of what you know. Men will
Speaker 1: say men.
Speaker 5: Yes, I love a debrief afterwards after sex and like
Speaker 5: just talking about like what your highs were, and then.
Speaker 1: It's very garassed.
Speaker 4: Locker room.
Speaker 1: No, I agree, tell me, but.
Speaker 5: They didn't like that, or like they prefer me to
Speaker 5: do something different for that to be better for them.
Speaker 4: When you talk to your parents.
Speaker 1: About oh yeah, huge bit of my stick is like
Speaker 1: talking to my parents about my sex life again. So well,
Speaker 1: I have to say I got a bit ick when
Speaker 1: he said talking about the high.
Speaker 3: Debrief, Yeah, like I'm going to send you Google for
Speaker 3: him if you just feel it out and let me.
Speaker 1: Know how it was. Yeah, that gave me bick, But
Speaker 1: I get what he was saying, and I think that
Speaker 1: I get what he's trying to say, because I do
Speaker 1: think the problem with sex is when you don't feel
Speaker 1: you can say to your partner, I really want you
Speaker 1: to do this because you worry that they're going to
Speaker 1: be like, oh, you don't think I'm good in bed, Like, well,
Speaker 1: that's what I've worried about.
Speaker 3: For Yeah, Like I get it, Like if you're in
Speaker 3: a long term relationship to really go to be like, hey,
Speaker 3: what do you enjoy all that? But like, I think
Speaker 3: it was just how he worried it, like a debrief
Speaker 3: after after.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Garret Southgate being the England football team manager.
Speaker 2: Thanks for explaining. I actually have no idea who he was,
Speaker 2: did you not? No, No, I knowed who he was,
Speaker 2: So like meeting everyone, how do you think that went?
Speaker 2: You could have done better there? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's what I mean.
Speaker 3: It's like the halftime like rids and loads like you
Speaker 3: were in well arrested before we started.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well the.
Speaker 1: Highs were when it ended.
Speaker 3: Crazy, Harry, Listen, you're pulling some some people out of
Speaker 3: this bag. You're like a magician. You're like, I don't
Speaker 3: where you're getting these people from. But I also have
Speaker 3: this theory which I have.
Speaker 1: Experience in the last few months while I was on tour,
Speaker 1: where because I talk about sex at my work, I
Speaker 1: end up getting people very straight off the back when
Speaker 1: they meet me, telling me mad ship about their sex fives.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and do you know what I As I said,
Speaker 2: I'm living vicariously through you. So I'm totadly enjoying this.
Speaker 2: I'm like, whoa, I feel like, I feel like every
Speaker 2: day we talk.
Speaker 3: And you're debriefing, I've got debrief in my head and
Speaker 3: no debriefing. A date and I'm like, I feel like
Speaker 3: we were in like ephour year or something.
Speaker 2: Thank you. That makes me feel super cheap.
Speaker 4: I've got a date this evening.
Speaker 2: I love that.
Speaker 1: Date. Check the time, I've got another one. It's fine.
Speaker 1: Got a busy day of.
Speaker 2: Grace. Did you really have another date? I actually did?
Speaker 1: Okay, oh my god, sorry, kind of different. I'm making
Speaker 1: a podcast where I'm going on loads of he genuinely
Speaker 1: had another day.
Speaker 2: He sounds so flirty.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's he's a player.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and but like it's funny because from his profile
Speaker 3: he comes across quite wholesome and.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, No, he was definitely he was
Speaker 1: definitely like into freaky shit and also like shags a
Speaker 1: lot kind of gel to be honest, and I like that.
Speaker 3: I'm like this man from the get go. He's like,
Speaker 3: this is who I am. Open minded, sex passive, yeah,
Speaker 3: and eighty percent a brat tamer. Yeah that's what my dad.
Speaker 1: If you ask my dad what does Grace need, he'd
Speaker 1: say a brat tamer.
Speaker 2: I actually, you know, I don't think he's for you. No,
Speaker 2: I didn't think he was for me. Yeah, you don't
Speaker 2: seem like what was it?
Speaker 1: He just wasn't really like my kind of man, but
Speaker 1: I liked him. I also think I just have to
Speaker 1: say this because I know that a lot of these
Speaker 1: were talking about the men, but I also think the
Speaker 1: location of a day is so important, and I found
Speaker 1: where we were on this day really off putting, and
Speaker 1: so it did stress me out quite a lot, and
Speaker 1: it made me think about like how important is of
Speaker 1: where you are on a day because they were like, crying, baby.
Speaker 2: You picked the location.
Speaker 1: I picked the location because it was really last minute,
Speaker 1: so it's my fault, but I just there was too
Speaker 1: busy and there were so many children there, and it
Speaker 1: was really giving me the.
Speaker 2: Ick, especially, you know, I mean, if you're talking about
Speaker 2: that exactly.
Speaker 3: As I'm getting my feet out and he's fucking stay
Speaker 3: salivating all over my toes.
Speaker 1: Next time on twenty eight dates later. So when you're
Speaker 1: dating up, what are the biggest things that like will
Speaker 1: be a complete note.
Speaker 3: When they then got a photo and it's with someone else,
Speaker 3: but they put like an emojio of their face because
Speaker 3: it's like.
Speaker 4: Their X that is.
Speaker 1: Just crop it just don't use it.
Speaker 4: Wait, sorry you were dating an emoji.
Speaker 2: I'm a Savage.
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