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Speaker 1: What I found this Swaggle well aka Marcus Spears for

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Speaker 1: people that don't know me as Swaggle, I just chopped

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Speaker 1: it up with Rome and Penut Tillman on the NFL

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Speaker 1: player Second Acts podcast. Y'all trap in. It's pretty good stuff, man,

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Speaker 1: I almost got emotional peace.

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Speaker 2: Thank y'all for tuning in to the NFL Player's Second

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Speaker 2: Acts podcast. I'm Peanut Tillman and this is my guy Roman.

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Speaker 2: Mister mister Rogers best sweater, Harper, what's up?

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Speaker 3: Hey, man, hateg.

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Speaker 4: We are like Rogers sweaters.

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Speaker 3: Our guests already knew I was probably getting my fit right. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: you already know. You already knew what the deal.

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Speaker 4: Was, all right.

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Speaker 3: Man, let's get right to it. Man, I really really

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Speaker 3: am a big fan of this guy.

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Speaker 4: Know him for a while now.

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Speaker 2: I am too. His His resume is really impressive. He's

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Speaker 2: a first round pick twentieth overall twentieth overall two thousand

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Speaker 2: was a d N. We'll get more into his his

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Speaker 2: position to one of the best two sport athletes to

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Speaker 2: come out of the state of Louisiana. Not Louisiana, but Louisiana.

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Speaker 2: The boot, the boot, and now he's one of the

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Speaker 2: brightest stars at ESPN. Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome Marcus

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Speaker 2: Spears to the show.

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Speaker 4: My brothers.

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Speaker 1: It's always weird when you witch your peers and they

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Speaker 1: reading off your stuff. It's different with somebody you've known

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Speaker 1: in the media reading it all. When Pino was reading,

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Speaker 1: I was like, man, hurry up, get the hell.

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Speaker 2: Of I normally reading too fast, and then my producer

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Speaker 2: over there be like, hey, man, slow that.

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Speaker 4: Okay, you're talking too fast.

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Speaker 2: So now that I slow it down, it's like, man,

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Speaker 2: hurry up.

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Speaker 4: Reason listen to Thomas and you. I don't know, y'all,

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Speaker 4: y'all under list of accomplishment, man put that up.

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Speaker 5: All right, Well here let's jump to ano accomplishment. Then,

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Speaker 5: So what made you choose football over basketball? Because you

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Speaker 5: went to Live I forgot you went to Yah.

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Speaker 3: You tell them twenty three, twenty three, twenty three point

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Speaker 3: seven fifteen boards.

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Speaker 5: Big boy Swag won two state championships.

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Speaker 1: Right, Yes, I was a hooper man, listen, And it

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Speaker 1: wasn't my back to the basket. I always want to

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Speaker 1: clear up game. I always want to clear I was

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Speaker 1: shorter than most post guys. That was when the centers

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Speaker 1: was for yes, so I played on the perim. Nah man,

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Speaker 1: Football was gonna be the way to play the bal Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And you always think about

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Speaker 1: like I played basketball now at a very high level,

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Speaker 1: got recruited to all of the top schools and all

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Speaker 4: So it was a possibility.

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Speaker 1: Of having a career in basketball if I would have

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Speaker 1: just let football go and focus solely on it. But

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Speaker 1: may I'll know how it is. When you're big and fast,

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Speaker 1: they'll find somewhere for you on a roster. And I

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Speaker 1: played it all my life. I love football. I love

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Speaker 1: I loved the physical part of it until I started

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Speaker 1: getting hurt.

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Speaker 4: Y'all know how they go.

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Speaker 5: I do do everybody Now, I saw you had a

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Speaker 5: couple of things from like, dude, yeah, Georgetown, Georgetown.

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Speaker 4: What other schools like?

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Speaker 3: Give me like two other big schools they recruited.

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Speaker 4: Y'all. Remember at the time, Saint John's was a big deal.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I shoot, man, I got recruited by

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Speaker 1: every school in the SEC, every school in the Big East.

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Speaker 4: Big East time.

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Speaker 2: Did they spell your name right? Because I know I

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Speaker 2: wanted to go to UT and they called me Charlis Tilley.

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Speaker 2: That's how I knew I was to see. I was, yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's a rap. I don't think I'll be gone.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Marcus was an easy win. But nah, man, I

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you know. I love basketball way

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Speaker 1: more than football. Yeah, like I love love bro. It

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Speaker 1: is because I had to work at it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, is football?

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Speaker 1: Show up you big? You can run like they're like,

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Speaker 1: all right, we're gonna do this with you. H Basketball,

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Speaker 1: I really had to grind to get good. And my sister,

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Speaker 1: who is my hero, my idol, she was a hooper

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Speaker 1: that scholarship the LSU knees blew a knees out playing basketball.

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Speaker 1: But she was my first example of what I thought

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Speaker 1: like real hoopers were. I grew up in the women's

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Speaker 1: basketball era. Yeah, I watched all the dudes hoop in

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Speaker 1: the NBA, but women's basketball was prominent in my household.

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Speaker 4: Is that because of your sister?

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Speaker 1: Because of my sister? And then I married a hooper?

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Speaker 4: Yeah you did.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and you got big kids still, yeah, thank god. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: volleyball players. Your girls are volleyball.

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Speaker 1: The oldest is going to Texas YEP Championships sixth Street.

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Speaker 4: All right.

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Speaker 1: They playing nationals right now, in her last eighteen nationals

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Speaker 1: right now in Baltimore. And then my son is a six,

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Speaker 1: a freshman six.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: He went up.

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Speaker 3: He like, bro, We're only going up from here.

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Speaker 4: Doctor. Yeah. Yeah, I'm gonna live through him. How tall

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Speaker 4: is your wife? Six two six two? Yeah she was.

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Speaker 1: She got drafted by the Washington Mystics. Yeah, seventh overall

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Speaker 1: and hoop there and then the w NBA wasn't where

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Speaker 1: it is today. Yeah, so she she was like, I

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Speaker 1: fell out of love with it.

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Speaker 4: It helped that your husband was in the league. Yeah.

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Speaker 5: It's just funny because like you know, I work at

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Speaker 5: the SEC network now where you formally were at, and

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Speaker 5: they will always talk about you all the time because

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Speaker 5: how much of impression you made. And they were like, yeah,

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Speaker 5: I mean they look at me like, man, I just

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Speaker 5: I just forget how much small you are because markets

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Speaker 5: was just so big, you know, I'm like, bro. Then

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Speaker 5: they look at my kids, They're like, man, Marcus kids

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Speaker 5: just so much big.

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Speaker 1: Bro.

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Speaker 4: He's like, he's way big. Man. I got to get

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Speaker 4: my wife credit. She saw that, Yes, they do. She

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Speaker 1: Com She was like, we're gonna if we make it,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna our kids gonna be phenomenal.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we're good. I thank god.

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Speaker 3: Yes, So I want to I want to you the

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Speaker 3: raising Cajun's.

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Speaker 4: I know.

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Speaker 2: One of the things that I disliked about L s

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Speaker 2: but people would wear L. S U stuff that and

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Speaker 2: they were enrolled, actual students pay tuition to go to

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Speaker 3: And I used to get so mad, like why are

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Speaker 2: Why are you even wearing that shirt that say L

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Speaker 2: s U.

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Speaker 4: They probably wouldn't have been there if they could.

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Speaker 1: You know, them kids grow up L s U fans

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Speaker 1: just like you don't dismiss it. Like I could see

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Speaker 1: if it was athletes, right yeah, playing, but most most students, unfortunately,

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Speaker 1: that's going to other colleges.

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Speaker 4: Louisiana fans.

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Speaker 2: Now, is there love just you know, just love hate?

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Speaker 2: You know, we got a little row tied here. We

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Speaker 2: got some li tie tired dog.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: The only real thing I would ask him is did

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Speaker 5: they did they ever get you?

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Speaker 3: Because you from Louisiana, did you grow up a Saints fan?

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Speaker 4: No?

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Speaker 3: See, that's what I did know. But they were so

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Speaker 1: So many of these people I ain't grow up, man,

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Speaker 1: brought on wrong y'all brought the Saints back, okay, because

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Speaker 1: I was, like I tell people all the time, Man

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Speaker 1: I grew up. I was in the streets and bad

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Speaker 1: rue all over Louisiana.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Man, I saw twelve Saints jerseys my whole child.

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Speaker 4: Man.

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Speaker 1: Then when I went back with Rome, then was ball

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Speaker 1: and the Drew and all them boys. Everybody was the

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Speaker 1: same my daddy even you know what I mean.

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Speaker 3: Well, they act like they've been there forever. That's what

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Speaker 5: But that's why I wanted to know, because to me,

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Speaker 5: I'm like, it ain't about the Alabama.

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Speaker 3: Like, first of all, he never probably lost.

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Speaker 4: To Alabama one game. Yeah, it was not like it is.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Nick Saban did all that, and that's your guy.

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Speaker 3: And so, and I love him too. He's great for

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Speaker 5: I want to know, because I know Marcus's mindset on

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Speaker 5: a lot of this stuff already. The one thing I

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Speaker 5: looked up this thing was that I didn't know you

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Speaker 3: Coming you was like on the other side, I only

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Speaker 1: Said it was. So I went to LSU as a

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Speaker 1: tight end. Jimbo Fisher recruited me offensive coordinator at the

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Speaker 1: time at LSU, and that's who was there every day.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Saban was there. You know how head coaches were,

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Speaker 1: but he wasn't. I'm sure if I would have been

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Speaker 1: saving more than I saw Jim Offisher. But I was

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Speaker 1: recruited to be a tight end, played tight end my

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Speaker 1: game nine of the season and was like, we want

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Speaker 1: to try you at a defensive end. I was like, no,

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Speaker 1: the hell you don't. I'm playing and I'm getting some time,

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Speaker 1: and I just didn't see it. Man, And I've told

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Speaker 1: this story a thousand times. I told him I was

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Speaker 1: leaving because Miami at the time, Miami was my safe,

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Speaker 1: the choice, and they had an offense where.

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Speaker 4: They threw it.

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Speaker 1: It was it was it was Jeremy Shocky, it was

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Speaker 1: Bubba Franks, like they had tight ends going first round,

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Speaker 1: very much involved in the offense. So I never forget

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Speaker 1: Zinski was my recruiting me Roski at Miami.

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Speaker 4: And after the.

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Speaker 1: Saving told me that I was leaving, I was like,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna go, man, Like y'all know, it ain't like

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Speaker 1: it is now. I could have been a porter and

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Speaker 1: then Miami, yeah eight three now, but it it just

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Speaker 1: I was catching I was catching touchdowns. Was everything to me.

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Speaker 1: Jared Rice was who I watched growing up, him and

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Speaker 1: Reggie White, but Jared Rice was Jared Rice. Bro I

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Speaker 1: wore eighty four in high school. I grew out of

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Speaker 2: We're gonna take a short break and we'll be right back.

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Speaker 1: I was like, I got twenty five thirty plays. I

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Speaker 1: But he drafts some young guys. We came in and

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Speaker 4: I had no desire like it didn't. It didn't bother.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's what it's supposed to be supposed to get

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Speaker 5: what you're doing now on TV, bro, Like, first of all,

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Speaker 1: That was still laughing crime. I promise it was not

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Speaker 2: But I think I think people appreciate that though, like

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Speaker 1: And then, yeah, man, to your point, Peter, I just

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Speaker 1: I did that for nine years in the NFL, four

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Speaker 1: years in college. You know, I've competed my whole life.

444
00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:46,000
Speaker 1: I didn't come in TV compete. I came in TV

445
00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:48,199
Speaker 1: to to see y'all us in yeah, and do a

446
00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:52,120
Speaker 1: great job, like and have fun. I mean we bro.

447
00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:54,800
Speaker 1: I dug fence post holes with my grandfather growing up,

448
00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:57,720
Speaker 1: and these people pay me to sit on TV for

449
00:20:57,760 --> 00:20:59,880
Speaker 1: an hour and a half, yeah, and talk about something

450
00:20:59,920 --> 00:21:02,080
Speaker 1: I know front to back.

451
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Speaker 4: Dude.

452
00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:09,159
Speaker 1: So I've seen like over time, how I guess the

453
00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:11,760
Speaker 1: most disappointed thing for me being in the media. As

454
00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:15,400
Speaker 1: I sit today, I see how so many grown men

455
00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:18,879
Speaker 1: like fight to be in the middle of it all,

456
00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:23,360
Speaker 1: and they fighting with each other, and it's like, bro,

457
00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:26,560
Speaker 1: you kidding me, Like, what are we doing? First of all,

458
00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:29,240
Speaker 1: it's enough space out here for everybody. I just kind

459
00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:32,199
Speaker 1: of keep that mentality, bro, Like if y'all came on

460
00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:35,080
Speaker 1: NFL Live, I'm gonna be the same guy, but we're

461
00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:37,440
Speaker 1: gonna have a great time. I'm not going on TV

462
00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:41,159
Speaker 1: to prove the people that I'm the smartest. None of

463
00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:43,639
Speaker 1: that matters to me. What matters to me is that

464
00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:45,960
Speaker 1: when you sit down and you watch if I'm on

465
00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:48,640
Speaker 1: any show, is that you feel like you hanging out

466
00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:51,399
Speaker 1: Like I've always kept that. I said that my first

467
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Speaker 1: interview coming in the SEC network, I ain't know what

468
00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:55,280
Speaker 1: I was gonna be doing. I didn't know I was

469
00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:58,520
Speaker 1: gonna be on Nation nothing, and I never forget to

470
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Speaker 1: A reporter asked me when we're doing the media days,

471
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Speaker 1: because that was the inception of the network. They was like, like,

472
00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:05,359
Speaker 1: what do you want to get out of this? I

473
00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:07,160
Speaker 1: want people to feel like they in my living room.

474
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Speaker 3: Chiller.

475
00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:09,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, And that's how I like to do TV.

476
00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:15,040
Speaker 1: And when producers and stuff try to overproduce, and I

477
00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:17,200
Speaker 1: don't do well with that. And I think I've been

478
00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:20,720
Speaker 1: honest about it. Yeah to ESPN credit and I hate

479
00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:23,320
Speaker 1: saying anything good because people think you're a company guy.

480
00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:29,120
Speaker 1: To their credit. They've adjusted to a different wave. And man,

481
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Speaker 1: I get asked to go be myself.

482
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Speaker 4: Yeah I will.

483
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Speaker 5: I will give your hats off to that man, because

484
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Speaker 5: I think of people like you that are kind of

485
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Speaker 5: like paved that way, appreciate for people like me that

486
00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:42,280
Speaker 5: come in. They have not told me that one time.

487
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Speaker 5: What they like you trust me now and they just like, bro, just.

488
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Speaker 4: And you doing phenomenal. You do, like, just go do you? Man?

489
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Speaker 4: I appreciate that, dog.

490
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Speaker 5: But it's just real funny because it's because of the

491
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Speaker 5: other things.

492
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Speaker 2: Yeah, we're going to take a short break and we'll.

493
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Speaker 4: Be right back.

494
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Speaker 3: That's the other thing that I want to ask you.

495
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Speaker 5: And I know how this came about, but for the

496
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Speaker 5: viewers and the people that do not the name big

497
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Speaker 5: swag u all right, shout out to my man.

498
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Speaker 4: Joe Test Yeah, sir, all right?

499
00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:13,760
Speaker 3: Who brought that up?

500
00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:14,240
Speaker 4: Now?

501
00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:17,520
Speaker 3: How now I don't know exactly, Okay, how I just.

502
00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:19,600
Speaker 4: Know he started. He gave you that name.

503
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Speaker 1: Yeah, man, So we were actually in Tuscaloos. We were

504
00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:25,480
Speaker 1: sitting in tuscal loose getting ready for a show. And

505
00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:32,280
Speaker 1: the one thing I've always said wrong and Peanut, big

506
00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:35,480
Speaker 1: men don't look good on TV with how we dress.

507
00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:39,280
Speaker 1: Because when we buy stuff, Bro, if you can't afford custom,

508
00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:40,480
Speaker 1: it drapes you.

509
00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:43,119
Speaker 4: It just drapes you. It just falls on your body

510
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Speaker 4: and it drapes you.

511
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Speaker 1: Chuck is my mentor and Barkley, and I've told Chuck

512
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Speaker 1: one hundred times, Man, let me get you a custom suit.

513
00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:54,240
Speaker 1: All right, Chuck has custom suits, don't get me wrong,

514
00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:57,680
Speaker 1: but his tailor won't cut it. They just won't cut

515
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Speaker 1: it for the big man to really be. But but

516
00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:04,119
Speaker 1: but I have always believed, Bro, like my mom raised me,

517
00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:07,920
Speaker 1: I'm from Louisiana. In church, you get dressed for church,

518
00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:10,040
Speaker 1: no doubt. Like my mom would still be sick now

519
00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:12,680
Speaker 1: when people show up coming.

520
00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:18,000
Speaker 4: Dress school. I got.

521
00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:20,600
Speaker 1: I had five dollars to buy this whole suit. You

522
00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:25,160
Speaker 1: gonna wear it this Sunday. But nah, man, we I

523
00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:28,000
Speaker 1: just wanted to always present myself in a good way.

524
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Speaker 1: And that came from my mom and my grandmother.

525
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Speaker 4: And then when I got.

526
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Speaker 1: On TV, Joe Test just said one day, he said, man,

527
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Speaker 1: you just dripped swagole. And he was like, I'm gonna

528
00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:42,399
Speaker 1: call you swagoole. And I nicknamed everybody literally because I

529
00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:44,960
Speaker 1: don't remember names well but I remember a nickname I

530
00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:48,600
Speaker 1: gave somebody and he started calling me that, bro, And

531
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Speaker 1: I never thought two cents about it until you in

532
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Speaker 1: public and then swaggo swagg bro uh Goodell yesterday came.

533
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Speaker 4: Up on set Swaggle, what's up?

534
00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:01,720
Speaker 3: Man?

535
00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:06,160
Speaker 1: And I was like, damn, if it's pretty much over,

536
00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:09,760
Speaker 1: this is yeah, man. But it's a term of endearment.

537
00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:12,439
Speaker 1: It gives people a sense of closeness to you, and

538
00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:15,439
Speaker 1: that's just what I you know, I'm with it.

539
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:17,240
Speaker 4: I think it's dope. It's dope.

540
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Speaker 2: So I'm a freshly retired NFL player and I want

541
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Speaker 2: to get into the media space.

542
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Speaker 3: What advice would you give me?

543
00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:28,720
Speaker 1: Okay, so I get this question a lot, y'all know

544
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Speaker 1: how to go. I went an intern that the Dallas

545
00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:35,239
Speaker 1: Morning News bro for two thousand and seventy five an hour. Like,

546
00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:39,760
Speaker 1: I wanted to be in media. Didn't know in what capacity,

547
00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:41,600
Speaker 1: but I wanted to be in media because I played

548
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Speaker 1: in Dallas.

549
00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:45,480
Speaker 4: I played at LSU consistently.

550
00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:49,720
Speaker 1: Around media and trying to understand the game. So for me,

551
00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:55,000
Speaker 1: y'all know, this conversation used to always happen. They'll be

552
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:58,280
Speaker 1: a right up after the game or reporter write something

553
00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:00,880
Speaker 1: and they are absolutely wrong about the coverage.

554
00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:02,399
Speaker 4: Who fought it was or whatever.

555
00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:05,480
Speaker 1: So I'm you know, I'm trying to give myself like

556
00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:08,040
Speaker 1: a like a proper tag that that's important.

557
00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:10,600
Speaker 4: So I was like, I'm gonna be a consultant to

558
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:11,560
Speaker 4: the media.

559
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:17,159
Speaker 1: In journalism, right, and the Dallas Morning News print journalism

560
00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:19,399
Speaker 1: a lot of credit to all of those people that

561
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:23,119
Speaker 1: gave you know, it was like, hey, mortgage anytime. And

562
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Speaker 1: I was thinking about starting a digital show with a

563
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Speaker 1: with a writer, Yeah, to explain why that wasn't the

564
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:37,280
Speaker 1: cornerbacks for right, so they wouldn't be in a position

565
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Speaker 1: where when they show up in the locker room Peanut

566
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:42,160
Speaker 1: want to kill them because it was.

567
00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:44,280
Speaker 4: Wrongan fault, no doubt and vice versa.

568
00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:48,439
Speaker 1: Right, So that was my first initial reason for like

569
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:51,120
Speaker 1: getting into it, and that's what I wanted to create. Man,

570
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:53,440
Speaker 1: I realized it ain't no way in hell. I'm sitting

571
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:57,320
Speaker 1: behind a desk now, I was dying. I mean, I'm

572
00:26:57,359 --> 00:27:01,200
Speaker 1: sitting in there, bro it's ours. It's so quiet. People

573
00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:03,840
Speaker 1: coming in and coming out, they bringing their bag lunches,

574
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:06,360
Speaker 1: writers coming in and they writing, We having.

575
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:08,560
Speaker 4: Editing meetings, and ain't nothing.

576
00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:12,439
Speaker 1: Exciting, and I was like, no, say, I'm gonna just

577
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:16,200
Speaker 1: go sit on this NFL money and relax and funny enough.

578
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:16,360
Speaker 4: Man.

579
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:18,520
Speaker 1: My sister hit me up and she was like, you

580
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:21,840
Speaker 1: heard about the SEC network that's starting, and my wife

581
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:23,359
Speaker 1: as well. They was like, you need to be a TV.

582
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:25,800
Speaker 1: You don't need to be a no damn newspaper anyway. Man,

583
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:27,040
Speaker 1: I don't know what the hell I was thinking. I

584
00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:31,399
Speaker 1: wasn't writing nothing, okay, but they hit me about it.

585
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:33,600
Speaker 1: My wife kind of pushed me away from radio. I

586
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:35,680
Speaker 1: was gonna do radio on Dallas. I already had a job,

587
00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:38,159
Speaker 1: already had offer everything, and I was like, you know what,

588
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:42,400
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go try this SEC network. I tweeted well,

589
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:45,560
Speaker 1: sent a direct message to the executive, Stephanie Drewler at

590
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:49,000
Speaker 1: the time, and I was like, I want to try out.

591
00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:52,720
Speaker 1: That's how I want to try out for the job.

592
00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:56,600
Speaker 1: She was like, try out for for what? You want to audition.

593
00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:59,440
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, I want audition. She said, send

594
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:01,760
Speaker 1: me some reis I hunt fish.

595
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:03,679
Speaker 4: This is how now.

596
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:06,639
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't. I was like, I have reels,

597
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:08,639
Speaker 1: but I can't send them to you. She was like,

598
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:13,240
Speaker 1: send me clips of what you've done on TV, and

599
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:15,640
Speaker 1: I sent her some stuff that I had done locally

600
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:18,400
Speaker 1: and was like, man, I got a call to come

601
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:22,200
Speaker 1: interview in Bristol. I went up to Bristol was six degrees.

602
00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:24,440
Speaker 1: I said, there's no way in hell I'm working up here.

603
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:26,919
Speaker 1: This is and I didn't understand you could do remode,

604
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:28,680
Speaker 1: you could fly and fly. I didn't understand it. I

605
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:29,720
Speaker 1: thought you had a mood.

606
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:31,480
Speaker 4: There no doubt. I was like, nah, I'm good on

607
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:35,399
Speaker 4: the job. So did the interview, though it was cool.

608
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:38,600
Speaker 1: Called me back for a second one in Austin at

609
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:41,200
Speaker 1: University of Texas at Longhoint that worked at the time.

610
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:46,600
Speaker 1: Me and Booger interviewed together and I felt good about it.

611
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:48,000
Speaker 1: I was like, all right, let's see whatere this go.

612
00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:50,400
Speaker 1: Didn't hear anything for like two and a half three weeks.

613
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:52,640
Speaker 1: Stephanie called me and was like, we're gonna put you

614
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:57,040
Speaker 1: on SEC Nation. I was like, cool, I'm thinking studio boo.

615
00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:00,200
Speaker 1: She's like, this is a live show, live audience out.

616
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 1: I was like, what you're talking about? She and she

617
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:07,239
Speaker 1: she helped me tremendously with one statement. She said, you

618
00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:11,680
Speaker 1: don't know anything about TV. You've mastered being Marcus. Just

619
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 1: do that, We'll take care everything else. And over time

620
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:17,480
Speaker 1: I've been learning, bro. But I came into this business

621
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:21,160
Speaker 1: with that stamp of like, go be you and everything

622
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:23,960
Speaker 1: else will fall into place. And that's how I started

623
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:27,120
Speaker 1: with a with a DM. That's how them boys getting

624
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:27,680
Speaker 1: them ladies.

625
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:27,840
Speaker 4: Now.

626
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 5: Hey, shout out to Baron Miller because he uses that

627
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 5: same thing to me all the time and he was

628
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:38,200
Speaker 5: your guy to That's what he says all the time,

629
00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:40,120
Speaker 5: So that's what he always wrong.

630
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:43,000
Speaker 4: Just go be you. That's it. That's it, that's it.

631
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:43,920
Speaker 4: That's all we need.

632
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:47,640
Speaker 1: And it takes it takes some producers to realize trust

633
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:49,720
Speaker 1: you and yeah, you know, because they got a job

634
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 1: to do.

635
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:53,479
Speaker 3: And so I'm going to get you out of here

636
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:54,120
Speaker 3: on this one man.

637
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:57,080
Speaker 5: And uh and after this is up, I want to

638
00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:58,640
Speaker 5: know what else you got on your mind on your

639
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:00,760
Speaker 5: plate with the media stuff, but it's gonna be a

640
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:03,560
Speaker 5: future for you. But I want to know who is

641
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:06,600
Speaker 5: on your mount rushmore of influence. We always trying to

642
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:08,960
Speaker 5: ask guys who's been the biggest impact for the most

643
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:13,720
Speaker 5: impactful in their lives, family, coaches, whatever, not just athletics,

644
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:14,600
Speaker 5: but just in life.

645
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:19,360
Speaker 1: To help you be swaggo mom, dad, sister, grandmother. That's

646
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:23,160
Speaker 1: some famous people wasn't in my household. They didn't Those

647
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:25,840
Speaker 1: four motivated me. My mom motivated me by I wanting

648
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:28,480
Speaker 1: to give her a better life, not seeing her struggle.

649
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:31,200
Speaker 1: I told y'all my sister was my hero. I followed

650
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:34,240
Speaker 1: her around. I told your sister, she only five nine.

651
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:37,280
Speaker 4: Woman.

652
00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:40,480
Speaker 1: I was in the room trying to follow around, trying

653
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:44,400
Speaker 1: to be everything she was. Bro My dad pushed me

654
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:48,760
Speaker 1: to be of a high level athlete and pushed me

655
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:51,680
Speaker 1: to be a man like y'all know how some dads

656
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:56,440
Speaker 1: in that generation, amen, ain't no excuses, took me out.

657
00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:59,720
Speaker 1: I'll never forget first time I got introduced to football

658
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:04,560
Speaker 1: was my dad took me in an open field in Scotlandville, Louisiana,

659
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:07,200
Speaker 1: right by Southern University campus and took a nerve ball

660
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:09,520
Speaker 1: and threw it to me as hard as he could.

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Speaker 1: I cried and I was gonna leave. He said, if

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Speaker 1: you go upstairs, you ain't coming back outside. And I

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Speaker 1: was like, I guess I ain't going upstairs because I

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Speaker 1: couldn't stand to be inside. Y'all know how we was

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Speaker 1: when we was young and he would fire that nerve ball.

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Speaker 1: I turned into the number one tight end in the

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Speaker 1: country because I could catch as well as everybody. And

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Speaker 1: then my grandmother nurtured me, took care of me. She

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Speaker 1: was my defense against everybody else. She was my peace

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Speaker 1: of mind, Christine Spears. She was there to be like,

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Speaker 1: he's still a baby, while everybody else was like, you're

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Speaker 1: gonna get your big ass right.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know what I'm saying. My mama was super nurturing.

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Speaker 1: But my mom worked tiresly and had to make sure,

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Speaker 1: you know, I had what I needed. I moved my

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Speaker 1: mom and dad separated when I was eight. I moved

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Speaker 1: with my dad in high school and it was the

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Speaker 1: perfect call and they were always on the same page. Well,

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Speaker 1: me and my sister. So those are the four people.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't like Martin, Luther King or Jordan or Reggie White.

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Speaker 1: You know, I love I looked at those guys, love

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Speaker 1: what they did. But the people in my community reason

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Speaker 1: I am who I am, and so those were my influences.

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Speaker 3: I knew that though, because I know you Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: it ain't changed it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it don't mean I don't love them famous people, No, no, no,

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Speaker 1: we good, but they I was in the trenches with them, folks.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I like that though many thanks for coming on

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Speaker 2: the pod man.

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Speaker 4: I appreciate the brothers spirit.

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Speaker 3: I gotta get my son down here.

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Speaker 4: Man. You gotta meet you dog man. Listen.

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Speaker 1: You know I'm wide open. Dot, I'm wide open.

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Speaker 3: Let's get them up out of here.

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Speaker 1: Man.

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Speaker 5: And also shout out to market Spears. You're the only

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Speaker 5: person I know that damn more than anything on TV,

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Speaker 5: is my favorite word.

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Speaker 3: It is my favorite word.

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Speaker 4: Man?

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Speaker 3: Were out of here? Man, peanut Man, get us about both. Hey,

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Speaker 3: I'm Peanut.

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Speaker 2: That Swago is mister Rogers.

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Speaker 3: Hey, that's the NFL player.

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Speaker 2: Second next podcast, we out