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Speaker 3: I'm Kyle Yeomans. What's going on, Zach?
Speaker 4: How's it going good man? I've been itching to get
Speaker 4: back here. I told Bobby, hey Man, you can sit
Speaker 4: out of this one. I had something I couldn't make Tuesday.
Speaker 4: Bobby and I are alternating. I said, Bobby, I'm jumping
Speaker 4: in on Thursday. Okay, you can go ahead and take
Speaker 4: a back seat.
Speaker 2: And then you guys fought for it, fistfight all the
Speaker 2: way through and you want so congratulations did We'll have
Speaker 2: to check up on Bobby later.
Speaker 3: I'm not sure he's doing okay.
Speaker 5: Brian, I'm doing great.
Speaker 6: I wasn't feeling well yesterday. I think Vegas got to
Speaker 6: me a little bit. I don't think it was the
Speaker 6: alcohol or anything like that.
Speaker 5: We were doing well.
Speaker 6: I just think there was a lot going on in
Speaker 6: that radio row. So I couldn't hear, couldn't talk, which
Speaker 6: is very bad for me to do. Uh So, Yeah,
Speaker 6: feel a lot better today. Happy to be on the
Speaker 6: Draft show and are ready to roll.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, we've got some fun scenarios to talk about.
Speaker 2: But we're gonna scrap all that and we're only going
Speaker 2: to talk about how college football video games are back
Speaker 2: for the first.
Speaker 3: Time in a week. We're gonna do it. Yeah, We're
Speaker 3: just gonna not talk about anything else.
Speaker 2: Today's that's all in the game. Yeah, that's gonna be
Speaker 2: a lot of fun. No, on all serious notes. Brian
Speaker 2: put together a list of would you rather We're going
Speaker 2: to go through that, and there's a lot to get to.
Speaker 2: I want to go straight into it. I don't want
Speaker 2: to waste any time here. I want to say would
Speaker 2: you rather on a couple of these prospects.
Speaker 3: Now, keep in mind this is.
Speaker 2: Not Cowboys related specifically, right, Brian, This is prospect only.
Speaker 6: On your on your board. As you look at these,
Speaker 6: as you look at these players. And what I did
Speaker 6: was Dane Brugler's Top one hundred came out yesterday, and
Speaker 6: what I want to do is I wanted to kind
Speaker 6: of you know, he had a couple of guys that
Speaker 6: were pretty close position wise, and so I thought that
Speaker 6: would be a good opportunity for us to say, would
Speaker 6: you rather have this guy or this guy on your board.
Speaker 6: Dane does a hell of a job with his board,
Speaker 6: but all scouts are different the way they see these players.
Speaker 6: So that's why I created this list.
Speaker 2: It's a really good list. Some of them are really
Speaker 2: tough to really decipher between. By the way, you can
Speaker 2: check out Dane's Top one hundred on the Athletic right now.
Speaker 3: Just go on there.
Speaker 2: If you've got the subscription search top one hundred, you
Speaker 2: can even follow along as.
Speaker 3: We do this.
Speaker 2: But let's start things off at the wide receiver position.
Speaker 2: He has two wide receivers in the top three overall prospects.
Speaker 2: At number two, he has Marvin Harrison, junior wide receiver
Speaker 2: out of Ohio State, six foot four, two hundred and
Speaker 2: five pounds junior. Of course, the agree with Marvin Harrison
Speaker 2: that certainly there and he had a phenomenal.
Speaker 3: Season with the Buckeyes.
Speaker 2: But then right behind him out of Brian brought us
Speaker 2: his fight in LSU Tigers the league. Neighbors is there,
Speaker 2: six foot two hundred pound wide receiver and a junior
Speaker 2: as well. I shall start with you, out of these
Speaker 2: two prospects, which ones do you feel like you would
Speaker 2: go with?
Speaker 3: Which one do you feel like you would go with?
Speaker 7: Well, when comparing the two players, I feel like Marvin
Speaker 7: Harrison junior is is more is a little bit more
Speaker 7: of a route technician, just just I mean, it's so slight,
Speaker 7: it's very It's just a very small amount. But I
Speaker 7: also too, in comparison the yack ability between the two,
Speaker 7: I think if you're looking for I think MALIEE. Neighbors
Speaker 7: has more of a yack. The yack ability is there
Speaker 7: a little bit more with him. I just think that
Speaker 7: his they have similarity with the tracking and the strong hands,
Speaker 7: the concentration, the body controls.
Speaker 8: Similarities there.
Speaker 7: But I do think that the difference to me between
Speaker 7: the two was I look at Marvin Harrison, I see
Speaker 7: how he runs his routes and and everything, and I
Speaker 7: think that he's just a little bit more smooth and
Speaker 7: elak Neighbors just has.
Speaker 8: A little bit more edge to him to.
Speaker 7: Me and how he plays from a physical standpoint, and
Speaker 7: so Gez, I mean, who would I rather? And it's
Speaker 7: not for the Cowboys just in.
Speaker 3: General, just put stack.
Speaker 5: Him on your board.
Speaker 8: I'm not about to piss nobody up.
Speaker 7: I I I just think, I just think it depends
Speaker 7: on what you what you what you.
Speaker 8: Like in a player. So for me, Mylik Neighbors stood
Speaker 8: out score.
Speaker 7: He just when I look at a player, when I
Speaker 7: look at a wide receiver, I just I like his.
Speaker 7: And it's not to say that Marvin Harrison Junior doesn't
Speaker 7: have an edge to him, because he does.
Speaker 8: But there's just this little bit of like attitude different.
Speaker 7: It's very slight that I like in Mylik Neighbors just
Speaker 7: a tabit more.
Speaker 8: That's just me and that is what it is.
Speaker 9: You spoke to that physicality with with Neighbors, And I
Speaker 9: think that's probably the biggest concern I could find with
Speaker 9: Marvin Harrison Junior whenever I was looking at tape on
Speaker 9: him and trying to find anything that I didn't like,
Speaker 9: is the fact that he's typically brought down whenever he
Speaker 9: gets breathed on on first contact You're not gonna see
Speaker 9: him slip many tackles, but you got to get to
Speaker 9: him first. I think that's the biggest thing with He
Speaker 9: creates separations so easily at the top of his routes.
Speaker 9: His releases are some of the best that I've seen
Speaker 9: at the college level coming out. It's tough to find
Speaker 9: many bad things about him. Whenever I look at my
Speaker 9: league neighbors, I probably find a little bit more concern
Speaker 9: as far as being able to run away from guys.
Speaker 9: Compared to Marvin Harrison. He can't. Compared to Marvin Harrison,
Speaker 9: I think there's a little bit more of that big
Speaker 9: playability from him. I think if you're looking for a receiver,
Speaker 9: which if you're drafting in the top of the first
Speaker 9: round for a receiver, you're looking for one that can
Speaker 9: change your offense and be able to add that highlight
Speaker 9: element to what you want to bring to an NFL offense.
Speaker 9: I think you get Marvin Harrison.
Speaker 8: Well, well, my meleak neighbors. I think I don't know
Speaker 8: if I think the Melik Neighbors.
Speaker 7: When he turns a field and he's the way he's
Speaker 7: looking a field to make plays, He's he's a little
Speaker 7: bit more angry of are to me. And so even
Speaker 7: so where you would say, Okay, well, I don't know
Speaker 7: if I don't know if I think his balance is
Speaker 7: just a bit better, you know, and really, yeah.
Speaker 5: I don't think.
Speaker 9: I don't I agree with that, like, I don't think wrong,
Speaker 9: I don't think contact like that's that's one of the
Speaker 9: things just in terms of after catch after catch, because.
Speaker 3: You're talking about catch.
Speaker 4: To me, what sets him apart is I think Marvin
Speaker 4: Harrison Junior along the sideline when it comes to body
Speaker 4: can being able to you know, high point the football
Speaker 4: make some really difficult grounds. The Neighbors will body catch
Speaker 4: a little bit.
Speaker 3: Sure.
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm with you, guys in terms of after
Speaker 4: the catch. Now give me rama dunes over both of
Speaker 4: these guys.
Speaker 2: Oh, I was waiting for somebody to bring that up,
Speaker 2: But no, I've got a D three.
Speaker 5: But I and I just want to do better than Neighbors.
Speaker 4: That's really I think. I think they're closer to me
Speaker 4: than Harrison and Neighbors are. Wow, I got Harrison a
Speaker 4: number one. Now do you still think.
Speaker 2: Both of these guys, Harrison Junior and Neighbors are top
Speaker 2: five prospects in the draft.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think all three of those guys are probably
Speaker 4: top ten prospects for me.
Speaker 5: Do you agree, Brian, Yeah, there's no question about that.
Speaker 6: The thing about it is the uh, it's because I
Speaker 6: sit on this panel here as an evaluator, and I
Speaker 6: know I'm an LSU guy.
Speaker 5: This is one of the best receivers ever to play
Speaker 5: at LSU.
Speaker 6: And they've had thanks ed thanks, Yeah, and they've had
Speaker 6: some uh, they've had some great ones. When you start
Speaker 6: to talk about Chase and Jefferson and all that, this
Speaker 6: kid right here is yeah, it is pretty good.
Speaker 10: Yeah.
Speaker 6: I mean, like I say, they've had some great ones,
Speaker 6: and this kid is right there with these guys. And
Speaker 6: when the way you watch him play, he loves to
Speaker 6: play the game. But Marvin Harrison, you could watch him
Speaker 6: and say the same thing. Marvin Harrison loves to play
Speaker 6: the game. You could see that both of those game
Speaker 6: breaker kind of guys. I do think the difference between
Speaker 6: the two is run after catch. I think there's some
Speaker 6: explosiveness to Neighbors game. I think there's some finish to
Speaker 6: his game. I've seen him catch the ball, turn it
Speaker 6: up field, run through people, you know, and just bounce
Speaker 6: off guys get extra yards and stuff like that. So
Speaker 6: he's the master of the stutter goes. He can, he
Speaker 6: can set you up. He can you know, he runs
Speaker 6: across the middle.
Speaker 5: He could go deep. He's he's got so much to
Speaker 5: his game.
Speaker 6: I people gonna say, oh, Rosher lsu Homer, Okay, fine,
Speaker 6: I'm an lsu Homer Neighbors.
Speaker 5: I think is a better player than Marvin Harrison could.
Speaker 2: Some of the physicality questions for Marvin Harrison Junior stem
Speaker 2: from he wasn't caught by anybody. I mean, he was
Speaker 2: so fast, he was so much a step ahead from
Speaker 2: defenders in the Big Ten and even some of the
Speaker 2: competition that Ohio State played outside of that, he never
Speaker 2: had to be physical win catching footballs on the film.
Speaker 9: Yeah, where it jumped out to me was when he
Speaker 9: was getting the ball in the shorts of intermediate range
Speaker 9: and having to kind of be able to find a
Speaker 9: hole and break through that. That was that was the
Speaker 9: only again, the only concern I can find with Marvin Harrison.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I love cat radius, really impressed and.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's unbelievable the way that he can contort.
Speaker 5: I mean it's Michael Gallup esque.
Speaker 4: When Gallup was in his prime, his ability to make
Speaker 4: tough catches with his wings span, the catch readiest. To
Speaker 4: your point, I think he's got the long speed. Neighbors
Speaker 4: runs more angry. I mean, you're and I think the
Speaker 4: body type is it's probably the difference, right, because Marvin
Speaker 4: Harrison Junior is a little bit long, slight build. Neighbors
Speaker 4: is taller. Neighbors is filled out. Yeah, you know so Neighbors.
Speaker 4: I think physically, you look at him, he's got the
Speaker 4: Probably he's a.
Speaker 5: Stronger player than Marvin Harrison Junior is.
Speaker 4: But I think it's just the quickness, the ability to
Speaker 4: create separation, the route running. I just think all those
Speaker 4: things are a tick better with Marvin Harrison Junior.
Speaker 10: But the act.
Speaker 5: I hear the argument, and I agree with you when it
Speaker 5: comes to Neighbors.
Speaker 7: I mean, his foot quickness helps him when he does
Speaker 7: get the ball. When you talk Marvin Harrison Junior, when
Speaker 7: he does catch the ball, it's not like some it's
Speaker 7: not he's not super shifty, but it's like it's shifty
Speaker 7: enough to where he can make someone miss. But I
Speaker 7: don't want to sit up for an act like the guy.
Speaker 7: I mean, if you look and him, he's blocking down
Speaker 7: field too, guys like he is willing to sacrifice his
Speaker 7: body in that way. I was just and I think
Speaker 7: you bring up a really good point about the fact that,
Speaker 7: I mean, his releases are just so crazy that sometimes
Speaker 7: people are just not even around him.
Speaker 5: He makes a ton of play.
Speaker 7: But I will say too, but I mean at the
Speaker 7: NFL level, though, there's going to be some people that
Speaker 7: can rock with you.
Speaker 4: Again about ball security, I mean, you watch Neighbors, I
Speaker 4: think that that might be one thing you could give
Speaker 4: to him. Marvin Harrison Junior, when he runs the ball,
Speaker 4: he'll leave some openings for you to get it punched
Speaker 4: out a little bit from DBS so neighbors, I think,
Speaker 4: I mean, if you look at the next level, I
Speaker 4: don't think either room have a fumbling issue by any means,
Speaker 4: don't get me wrong, but that was something that I
Speaker 4: did put in my notes. He will give you an
Speaker 4: opening for the ball to get punched out by alert defenders.
Speaker 5: With Marvin Harrison.
Speaker 6: Junie, I think Nick makes a great point though though
Speaker 6: the first tackler you see that, you know, you do
Speaker 6: see first tackler sometimes getting Harrison down there, and I
Speaker 6: just think that to me, you know, give me the
Speaker 6: guy that's give me the guy that defenders are trying
Speaker 6: to like, are having problems with that.
Speaker 5: We can't get the sky on the ground.
Speaker 8: Do you think it's a longevity thing? And I don't
Speaker 8: want to listen.
Speaker 7: I don't want to sound like I'm thinking too hard
Speaker 7: into it, But do you think it is a because
Speaker 7: I do think there's a way to fall, there's a
Speaker 7: way to get tackled if you watch him, because you
Speaker 7: see that even in the NBA and stuff like that,
Speaker 7: where the guys take contact, they know how to take
Speaker 7: the contact and not injure themselves. When I look at him,
Speaker 7: there's a lot of time that his falls are calculated, like.
Speaker 3: He's it's taught.
Speaker 9: It's taught now, it's.
Speaker 7: Taught and so and it's actually asks Brandon Cooks about
Speaker 7: this this season because if you notice that about him,
Speaker 7: he shields himself. He'll do different things because he understands
Speaker 7: that his frame is like you were talking about Marvin
Speaker 7: Harrison's frame, his frame isn't the super strongest, so he
Speaker 7: does some things to protect himself. When I look at
Speaker 7: Marvin Harrison sometimes I do think not avoiding contact. I
Speaker 7: just think he understands how to take contact and how
Speaker 7: and so it doesn't look the same way as it
Speaker 7: does when Leek neighbors where He's just like, I don't
Speaker 7: I don't really care if you decided to contact me.
Speaker 3: I feel like we could spend an entire draft show
Speaker 3: on just the Wiers.
Speaker 5: We really could.
Speaker 2: There are so many fun ones. But let's go from
Speaker 2: loaded the guy's pass catching the ball to the ones
Speaker 2: that are throwing the ball. And there's two of them
Speaker 2: on this list that Brian put up there. And of
Speaker 2: course Lshoes owned Jade and Daniels Heisman Trophy winner the Sanella.
Speaker 5: Shoe Themes show today, folks.
Speaker 3: I hope you know that, Tigers.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so he was number eight on Dane's top one
Speaker 2: hundred at Jaden Daniels of course won the Heisman, had
Speaker 2: a phenomenal.
Speaker 3: Season, one of the college football's best seasons ever.
Speaker 2: Then you got Drake May North Carolina, who's number four
Speaker 2: on Dane's list. So you got number four in May,
Speaker 2: number eight and Jade and Daniels. Nick, I'll let you
Speaker 2: start on this one.
Speaker 9: Yeah. I've I've actually gone back and forth between this
Speaker 9: the last couple of weeks, and I've I've been asking
Speaker 9: myself whether Drake May is closer to Caleb Williams, or
Speaker 9: if Jade and Daniels is closer to Drake May. And
Speaker 9: I've been trying to have that conversation and trying to
Speaker 9: figure out kind of how that top three shape out
Speaker 9: in my mind because I'm trying to go trying to
Speaker 9: look at it from a holistic approach and not just
Speaker 9: put Williams at one. I think Williams is the one.
Speaker 9: I think he's one two. Just the fact that I'm
Speaker 9: having that conversation with myself, I'm putting Drake May too.
Speaker 9: I love what Drake May does from a pocket standpoint,
Speaker 9: his feel in the pocket, being able to get out
Speaker 9: at the right times, he feels things behind him. I
Speaker 9: love that part of his game. I think it's going
Speaker 9: to translate to the NFL a little bit better than
Speaker 9: what Daniels does. We've talked a little bit about Daniels
Speaker 9: and how kind of lean he is at this point
Speaker 9: in his career. I would love to see him add
Speaker 9: fifteen twenty pounds before he takes on a starting role
Speaker 9: in the NFL. I think with going in the first round,
Speaker 9: both of these guys will with five years of development.
Speaker 9: If we're looking five years into the future. I think
Speaker 9: Drake May will be a more developed prospect by that point,
Speaker 9: but I still think Jayde Daniels will be an NFL
Speaker 9: starter in five years.
Speaker 2: Drake May six foot four, two thirty and then you've
Speaker 2: got Jaden Daniels who's six foot three two oh five,
Speaker 2: And of course that's gonna change whenever the combine comes around.
Speaker 2: We'll get more accurate numbers and we'll kind of roll
Speaker 2: from there. But you could add some of that weight
Speaker 2: if you want to.
Speaker 3: Aisha huh No.
Speaker 4: Yeah, man, this is uh, this is this is a
Speaker 4: challenge for me. You've got the prototypical size for the
Speaker 4: position in Drake May. I do think he's pro ready.
Speaker 4: I like the footwork. He'll stand in the pocket, he'll
Speaker 4: take a hit, deliver a throw when he's on, and
Speaker 4: that's the thing. When he's on, the dude throws a
Speaker 4: catchable ball. He's super accurate.
Speaker 5: He shows an.
Speaker 4: Understanding of coverage. I think he plays the position with
Speaker 4: a lot of awareness. He'll throw the football away, but
Speaker 4: there are times where he's like, man, I'm a gun slinger.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna trust my arm here, and he'll make some
Speaker 4: throws over the middle. Of the field that you're thinking,
Speaker 4: what the hell are you doing right here? Sometimes I
Speaker 4: want him to be a little bit more decisive. I
Speaker 4: think that Drake may fits more of your offensive coordinator
Speaker 4: and schemes in the NFL. I think Jaden Daniels is
Speaker 4: the better game breaking NFL changer.
Speaker 5: Type of player. This dude is special. He is rare.
Speaker 4: He is a talent to where he can extend plays.
Speaker 4: He's an unbelievable runner Lamar Jackson esque, but he can
Speaker 4: also stand in the pocket. In which you love about
Speaker 4: him is when things are starting to break down around him.
Speaker 4: He's not always looking to bail out and run. He
Speaker 4: is keeping his eyes downfield, and he's only taking off
Speaker 4: once the play is officially broken down. He can step up.
Speaker 4: He can slide navigate in the pocket. Between the two,
Speaker 4: I think I'm gonna go with Jayden Daniels. I think
Speaker 4: when you're taking guys that are up here at this level,
Speaker 4: I want the game breaker prospect.
Speaker 5: I think Drake mays a safer pick.
Speaker 4: I think if I'm an offensive staff, I'm gonna have
Speaker 4: a plan for Jayden Daniels. He needs to make sure
Speaker 4: he's not taken as big of hits in the open field.
Speaker 4: This dude needs to get out of bounds sometimes or
Speaker 4: learn how to slide because he puts himself in arm's way,
Speaker 4: but he can flick it. He's got tremendous arm strength.
Speaker 4: I think I'm gonna slightly go with Jayden Daniels here.
Speaker 3: That's interesting.
Speaker 6: What do you think, Brian, I'm going to go with
Speaker 6: my guy once again from LSU and.
Speaker 5: I've seen some games.
Speaker 6: I've seen some games where Drake may as you know,
Speaker 6: you could see the arm talent. It appears good and
Speaker 6: then others with the ball will die on him. I
Speaker 6: think that he could be a little hit and miss
Speaker 6: with zaccuracy. He reminds me of Eli Manning, but with
Speaker 6: a little bit better athletic ability. And I mean the
Speaker 6: way he stands in the pocket, the way he looks
Speaker 6: tall there. I know Eli Manning is a potential Hall
Speaker 6: of Famer type of guy. But the way that Eli
Speaker 6: Manning throws the ball, and sometimes you don't always see
Speaker 6: the arm strength there, but.
Speaker 5: He's got the touch.
Speaker 6: He could throw the ball underneath, he could throw the
Speaker 6: screens and the quick game stuff like that.
Speaker 5: This guy's had three.
Speaker 6: Games though this year where he threw two interceptions, you know,
Speaker 6: North Carolina State, Minnesota, app State. His only victory top
Speaker 6: twenty five victory was against Miami in a game where
Speaker 6: he threw four touchdowns. So I don't know about him
Speaker 6: as far as the when you start to talk about
Speaker 6: big lights, big stage kind of guy, and I think
Speaker 6: that when you look at Daniels, the only reason LESU
Speaker 6: won ten games this year was because of Daniels. They
Speaker 6: were historically bad on defense. He did win the Heisman Trophy.
Speaker 6: He deserved the Heisman Trophy. He's got some incredible toughness
Speaker 6: the way he plays.
Speaker 5: He took vicious hits.
Speaker 6: Throughout the year. He bounces back, He battles through the game.
Speaker 6: He doesn't give up on plays. He can embarrass tacklers
Speaker 6: in the open field. There's something about this kid that
Speaker 6: he has ability to move and to feel pocket awareness,
Speaker 6: get out, run, you think you have an angle, you
Speaker 6: don't have an angle. And he throws the ball well enough.
Speaker 6: I mean, he's got some super strong hands. You'll see
Speaker 6: him flag the ball. He'll like put the ball outside
Speaker 6: while he's running and stuff like that. But he doesn't
Speaker 6: turn it over. But his lack of bulk might turn
Speaker 6: some scouts off.
Speaker 5: That might be the problem right there. Skinny is Skinny is.
Speaker 6: He is very at two oh five, he does looks
Speaker 6: very now he's six three. It's not like what we
Speaker 6: saw last year with the kid at Carolina. Now, you
Speaker 6: know with with Bryce Young, he is bigger than Bryce Young.
Speaker 6: But you start to talk about a narrow framed guy,
Speaker 6: and again that might turn some guys off.
Speaker 9: I think the gamer effect is definitely something you have
Speaker 9: to take into account here whenever you compare these two.
Speaker 9: And I think Jayden Daniels does have a little bit
Speaker 9: more of that element to him. I think there's a
Speaker 9: big point to be made there, and I think that's
Speaker 9: why I go back and forth with the two so much.
Speaker 9: Right we have this show two weeks ago, I'm giving
Speaker 9: you a different answer, and I think after the combine
Speaker 9: we can have a different different two guys are so
Speaker 9: close to each other. I think they'll go two and
Speaker 9: three if the three teams that are picking right now
Speaker 9: will stay at one, two, three, and my mock draft
Speaker 9: I have these guys going one, two three.
Speaker 4: I think, to me, though, what's interesting, and I know
Speaker 4: this was who would you rather between those two?
Speaker 5: I think those are the top three. But who's your
Speaker 5: fourth guy.
Speaker 2: I was gonna ask that question. The next one man,
Speaker 2: next man up on Dane's list is JJ.
Speaker 3: McCarthy out of Michigan.
Speaker 5: See I got Penix.
Speaker 3: I'm Pinnix all day and I don't.
Speaker 4: I don't get the JJ McCarthy Bonnick hype for me.
Speaker 4: I think McCarthy, you want to take him in the
Speaker 4: second round. Maybe like Sean Payton and the Broncos, he
Speaker 4: could be a good fit there.
Speaker 5: I think JJ McCarthy.
Speaker 4: I know Cam Newton got into a lot of trouble
Speaker 4: with the game manager talk. That's what McCarthy is for me.
Speaker 4: I just don't see him making game changing type of plays.
Speaker 4: I think he plays within the game, plays within the system.
Speaker 4: I mean you're watching him, they're handing the ball off,
Speaker 4: handing the ball off. Then you need him to make
Speaker 4: a play on third down and he'll.
Speaker 5: Sail a pass.
Speaker 4: I don't get it with JJ McCarthy bo Nicks, I
Speaker 4: definitely don't get it. I think he's a third round,
Speaker 4: fourth round type of dude. Bo Nicks is a one
Speaker 4: read type of quarterback for me. I don't think either
Speaker 4: room our first round players. I think Pennix is the
Speaker 4: next dude.
Speaker 9: Up, slander, let's go.
Speaker 2: We've always you've always had something else for Nicks. Now
Speaker 2: there is a place in the NFL for guys like that.
Speaker 2: There are plays.
Speaker 3: I mean, one of the guys played in the super
Speaker 3: Bowl this past year.
Speaker 9: Then let's not.
Speaker 3: Let's not. Let's not pretend brock Party is the top
Speaker 3: quarterback in the NFL.
Speaker 5: I mean he's the best.
Speaker 3: No, that's not. Let's not.
Speaker 5: That's why Patrick mahomes you. No, he did not.
Speaker 3: All right, let's go to offensive tackle.
Speaker 2: How about this sixteen and seventeen on Dane's Top one hundred,
Speaker 2: one hundred list offensive tackle out of Oregon State, Talisi
Speaker 2: Fuaga six foot five, three thirty two Redcher junior making
Speaker 2: his way out of Oregon State.
Speaker 3: Then you've got a Marius Mimes.
Speaker 2: Offensive tackle out of Georgia six ' seven three thirty
Speaker 2: Brian who you got on this one?
Speaker 6: I'll tell you what I went with the Oregon State
Speaker 6: kid here in this one, and I'll tell you why
Speaker 6: I did, because, man, the the thing about him is
Speaker 6: it's amazing his athletic ability for his size. He's so
Speaker 6: impressive of the foot athlete. He puts himself in position
Speaker 6: to kick away from the line of scrimmage. Opponents have
Speaker 6: no shot to bull rush this guy super He's super tough,
Speaker 6: he sits down, he's nasty in the run game. He
Speaker 6: can easily get movement off the snap. He will drive
Speaker 6: his man out of the play several times. If you're
Speaker 6: watching the film and he's just and his guy, you know.
Speaker 5: Out of the way.
Speaker 6: I think there might you know, I think there might
Speaker 6: be some thought about moving him even to guard because
Speaker 6: of the power and the ability to move. But I
Speaker 6: just love the way that this guy punishes defenders when
Speaker 6: helping teammates. The power, the finish he makes me really
Speaker 6: really uh you know, at six six three thirty four.
Speaker 6: Those are all things to really really like about his game.
Speaker 9: Yeah, whenever I looked at Fuaga, I like that you
Speaker 9: mentioned the mobility because I put that his ability starts
Speaker 9: with his legs and it finish, It finishes with his
Speaker 9: violent hands. I saw that at Senior Bowl quite a bit.
Speaker 9: Before going into the Senior Bowl, I liked Fluago, but
Speaker 9: I fell in love with him after that. And then
Speaker 9: they they threw a different kind of pass rushers at him.
Speaker 9: They threw the athletic ones like lyle to Latu and
Speaker 9: then they threw the physical ones like a Marshawn Nelan,
Speaker 9: and he was able to combo both of those type
Speaker 9: of pass rushers with his feet first and then finishing
Speaker 9: with his hands. I really love what he does, and
Speaker 9: his experience, I think is what's going to make me
Speaker 9: give him the victory for me here in this would
Speaker 9: you rather you talk about it Marius Mems and I
Speaker 9: know we've talked about it with just the eight starts,
Speaker 9: but that's tough. He's young, it's not necessarily raw. No, No,
Speaker 9: he's not necessarily raw at all. I think he can
Speaker 9: go into an NFL franchise, be able to have a
Speaker 9: strong training camp, and have an opportunity to start depending
Speaker 9: on where he lands. But I think with a little
Speaker 9: bit more of that experience in preseason and getting him
Speaker 9: a custom with an NFL offense early in the year
Speaker 9: with a team that might not be competing for a
Speaker 9: playoff spot, I think by year two, year three, we
Speaker 9: could be comparing these guys a lot more closer. I
Speaker 9: think long term that's really tough to judge, but right now,
Speaker 9: as a draft prospect, I'll take the experience. If two
Speaker 9: guys are kind of the same to me when it
Speaker 9: comes to on field play.
Speaker 7: Yeah, when you look at Fuaga, I don't think you
Speaker 7: can teach what he does and just the you talk
Speaker 7: about the attitude and the determination.
Speaker 8: He has a lot of tenacity in his game.
Speaker 7: And again I think Mems has these things as well,
Speaker 7: but I just you look at Fuaga and the tech,
Speaker 7: the technical side of things is there.
Speaker 8: I just think you have a more.
Speaker 7: Rounded player to start right with with Fuaga to start
Speaker 7: and that's that would be.
Speaker 8: My only thing is the experience and things.
Speaker 7: But I just don't think what he does in the
Speaker 7: run game and just how his the natural awareness and
Speaker 7: stuff from him is just it's.
Speaker 8: Just the guy just gets the position.
Speaker 7: It's you know, so if I'm if I'm a coach
Speaker 7: or something like that, I kind of know exactly exactly
Speaker 7: what I'm getting right away with this guy. In comparison
Speaker 7: to Mems, even though there's a lot of love for
Speaker 7: Home over here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, both of those guys would be great.
Speaker 2: And we're not I know we're not talking about cowboys specifically,
Speaker 2: but I would I would take you don't want to
Speaker 2: make it, Mems could certainly make it.
Speaker 5: Mims is one of those guys. For like four years
Speaker 5: from now.
Speaker 4: If he ends up being the best tackle in this class,
Speaker 4: I wouldn't be shocked because the talent's there. But I'm
Speaker 4: gonna go with Fuaga as well. I think he might
Speaker 4: be the best run blocking tackle of the bunch. I mean,
Speaker 4: I love what Alt can bring you, with Fashan who
Speaker 4: can bring you. But Fuaga is my favorite tackle in
Speaker 4: this draft.
Speaker 5: He's now, he's mean. I like the kick in the slide.
Speaker 5: He's got natural bend as well.
Speaker 4: Sometimes you can get caught, you know, lunging a little bit,
Speaker 4: so players can get caught underneath them.
Speaker 5: But log is a beast.
Speaker 6: You know the thing about memes And I'm gonna ask
Speaker 6: you guys this, do you feel like that you can
Speaker 6: use some movement wise in the scheme? I mean, do
Speaker 6: you feel like he's a light footed enough guy to
Speaker 6: be able to move around a little bit.
Speaker 8: I thought it was.
Speaker 11: You.
Speaker 8: I thought he was effective as a puller. It's not
Speaker 8: as the second one, not as it's not as smooth.
Speaker 7: It's not as like you can kind of see him
Speaker 7: have to build up like the transition it's smooth. But
Speaker 7: I do think it's something we talk about the experience.
Speaker 7: I do think that is something that could get better
Speaker 7: with the experience. But I do think as a as
Speaker 7: doing ad being asked to do it, he can do it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's got the ability to do it.
Speaker 4: I think you're right, And maybe that is an experience
Speaker 4: issue because sometimes you'll see him get out in space
Speaker 4: and he's like, I'm not sure who I need to
Speaker 4: block here, and so he's a little late to picking
Speaker 4: up his gay.
Speaker 5: That's what I picked up there. The talent. The talent,
Speaker 5: I do think.
Speaker 4: I think he's got the athletic I mean his arms
Speaker 4: are so long that the thing is, he's so big.
Speaker 5: When I'm watching him, I want him to just.
Speaker 4: Beat people up, like it's you have the physical ability
Speaker 4: and strength to do it. Blog is doing that, flogg
Speaker 4: Is knocking people on the ground. I'm like, Mims, be
Speaker 4: a little bit more aggressive you're at the point of attack.
Speaker 2: Is that something you can teach Brian to to an
Speaker 2: offensive tackle? I know some guys have it, like Fuaga
Speaker 2: has it. Yeah, if you don't think Mims has that
Speaker 2: is something that he is. That something he can pick
Speaker 2: up at the next level.
Speaker 6: I think that you're going to have to try because
Speaker 6: I think I just got him right, and Zach, I
Speaker 6: like what you're saying about the hesitation. I was just
Speaker 6: a little worried because I didn't see the smoothness. And
Speaker 6: I'm glad you explained it the way it is. I
Speaker 6: was thinking with the other guy, you know, he's just
Speaker 6: you see him and he locates, he's on it, and
Speaker 6: he's and he's working. Mims is a little bit of hesitation,
Speaker 6: a little bit, I'm not sure, a little bit of
Speaker 6: I'm trying to get gathered.
Speaker 5: To be able to do it.
Speaker 6: So that's why I had a little bit of a question.
Speaker 6: But both these guys are just mammoth when you start
Speaker 6: talking about in the three thirty and three forty range.
Speaker 6: I just felt like the Oregon State guy was just
Speaker 6: a little bit better scheme fit for me trying to
Speaker 6: if I'm going to play with some outside zone, I'm
Speaker 6: gonna play where I have to get second level or
Speaker 6: cut off back sides. He just seemed like he had
Speaker 6: a little bit more to his game there.
Speaker 9: It's natural for him.
Speaker 7: You can tell, yeah, I think he I think he
Speaker 7: with MEMS. One thing I was looking for him to
Speaker 7: do is finish blocks.
Speaker 3: There you go, yeah to it and flagger there's.
Speaker 7: No doubt you're trying to drive you completely out of
Speaker 7: the play. Now, the injury that Mims had, what was it?
Speaker 8: He had a surgery.
Speaker 5: He had an ankle here at an ankle in the
Speaker 5: South Carolina game.
Speaker 8: Ape.
Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, surgery is yeah.
Speaker 6: George is famous for this. George is famous for this tightrope,
Speaker 6: this high ankle spring. It's called tightrope. And they and
Speaker 6: they they connect the bones together, they bring the bones
Speaker 6: back together, and they did it with the tight end
Speaker 6: brock Bowers. Brock Bowers did it and he came back sooner.
Speaker 6: So George is kind of working on this. But they
Speaker 6: did this. But he he got hurt in the South
Speaker 6: Carolina game and missed six games.
Speaker 5: But they did the tight rope on it. Okay, you
Speaker 5: brought up rock Browners. Can I throw out a wood?
Speaker 5: You rather that? I think I might be on an
Speaker 5: island here?
Speaker 3: Can we do it on the second second you want to? Yeah,
Speaker 3: because we've got more.
Speaker 5: I want to get myself in trouble with you.
Speaker 2: We've got two more that we want to get to
Speaker 2: and then we can add yours third and we could
Speaker 2: talk about it h before we go to break tally.
Speaker 3: Essay, Right, is that how you say is seen?
Speaker 9: Talis. That's what I've been seeing.
Speaker 5: You've seen talise.
Speaker 2: I'm looking at Oregon State's pronunciation guide, and it could
Speaker 2: be wrong. I've seen plenty of college pronunciation guys that
Speaker 2: are wrong. But tally s or tally essay is what
Speaker 2: they've got.
Speaker 3: Tall e s t There you go.
Speaker 2: We've got your buddy from Oregon State. All right, when
Speaker 2: we come back, we're gonna continue with some would you rathers?
Speaker 2: We've got some edge rushers. Apparently Zach wants to talk
Speaker 2: about some tight ends. We're gonna talk about that when
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Speaker 6: interviewing Tiri on ree and he kept pronouncing it wrong.
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Speaker 5: Not serious, are you? You're not serious?
Speaker 4: I can't even how he said It was like our
Speaker 4: trophy means more than that trophy that you get, you know.
Speaker 6: He was just trying to I think he was doing
Speaker 6: a complete bit. Yeah, but Henri's face was like just
Speaker 6: kind of like.
Speaker 9: Really you would think McAfee would be a soccer guy too,
Speaker 9: like typically punters and kickers were or are sure?
Speaker 5: I think I think he was doing a bit. I
Speaker 5: really do think he was doing.
Speaker 3: It was just saying like conk cave.
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Speaker 6: if you have an opportunity to go, it is absolutely well.
Speaker 3: It's it's an acronym and it's CEO in c a F.
Speaker 5: That's what he was saying. He goes our Conka for
Speaker 5: trophy means more than that. You know.
Speaker 6: He was just going on and Tran was just kind
Speaker 6: of looking at him like you're he was right biased
Speaker 6: by the way radio road to an interview. No, oh
Speaker 6: my gosh, what a following he had.
Speaker 5: It was people.
Speaker 6: He's got a he's got a media crew that goes
Speaker 6: with him everywhere he goes.
Speaker 5: That's pretty So.
Speaker 3: It's just like you a meteoro, right, yeah, far from Bryan.
Speaker 5: Who's who?
Speaker 3: That's part of it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was cool, it's cool. We need to get
Speaker 5: back to this.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, Yeah, it took us off the track. I
Speaker 3: got to ask you about the vending machine food.
Speaker 4: Whenever it was not good, it would not recommend it.
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Speaker 5: Pete's out of a machine. All right.
Speaker 3: Let's go with edge rushers first.
Speaker 5: Here.
Speaker 2: I want to talk about Jared Jared Verse from Florida
Speaker 2: State versus Bayatu Latu from UCLA, also touching tags on
Speaker 2: Dame Brugler's top one hundred list on the Athletic twenty
Speaker 2: one and twenty two.
Speaker 3: Zach, where would you start on this one?
Speaker 5: Better all around player is Verse.
Speaker 4: I think he's the best all around edge when it
Speaker 4: comes to, you know, playing the run and rushing the passer.
Speaker 4: But I'm going to go with Law two because this
Speaker 4: is all about getting after the quarterback, and I have
Speaker 4: Law two. A's the best overall pass rusher in the draft.
Speaker 4: I think his bend is unique and it's exceptional. It
Speaker 4: reminds me of DeMarcus ware ESQ. You know, his ability
Speaker 4: to just get low. He's tough, He's got a nice
Speaker 4: little cross chop, he'll rush, he can loop all the
Speaker 4: way around the quarterback, get up field. I do think
Speaker 4: his gap discipline is an issue for me. I think
Speaker 4: Verse is better when it comes to that. I think
Speaker 4: he can play, you know, stand up outside linebacker, can
Speaker 4: put his hand in the ground. He's got room to improve.
Speaker 4: But I think he's the best overall pass rusher. Him
Speaker 4: and Chop Robinson are the top two guys for me.
Speaker 5: But Verse.
Speaker 4: If you want a guy that's just all around, can
Speaker 4: set the edge, play the run, but also gives you
Speaker 4: some pass rush ability versus the better all around guy.
Speaker 5: But I'm gonna lean.
Speaker 9: Onto that's Funny you mentioned about Law two's gap discipline,
Speaker 9: because the one negative that I did put with him
Speaker 9: is run game. I think there's a little bit of
Speaker 9: concerns there, but I think that's going to come with
Speaker 9: more experience A and then two as he kind of
Speaker 9: fills out his lower half. Like I said, whenever I
Speaker 9: came out of Senier Bowl, the whenever I look at
Speaker 9: his frame, when I look at his body, I still
Speaker 9: see room for him to grow in his lower half.
Speaker 9: You could still probably add ten to fifteen pounds there.
Speaker 9: I think if you want a guy to be physical,
Speaker 9: you want a guy that's dual purpose as far as
Speaker 9: being able to rush the passer but also being able
Speaker 9: to defend the run, you go with Jared Vers. But
Speaker 9: if you want a guy that's going to attack the
Speaker 9: quarterback and be athletic and violent and be able to
Speaker 9: get to him and bring him down, then you go
Speaker 9: get Law two. I think Law two is going to
Speaker 9: be the SAT guy that's going to blow away. It'll
Speaker 9: blow away. You know those stat categories whenever you look
Speaker 9: at Rookie of the Year and things about a year
Speaker 9: from now. But I think when you look at three
Speaker 9: four years from now, the better developmental project. I think
Speaker 9: it's Jared versus nice.
Speaker 5: Wow.
Speaker 6: I'll tell you what, because I had a hard time
Speaker 6: with these two. I do love me some Verse, and
Speaker 6: I'm worried about what I'm gonna hear from the medical
Speaker 6: from lat too. You know, is are people going to
Speaker 6: you know, he was at the University of Washington and
Speaker 6: they asked him not to play football anymore, medically retired,
Speaker 6: medically retired and then came back. And I wonder if
Speaker 6: that's going to ding him further down the road. I
Speaker 6: love what you guys are saying. I just the thing
Speaker 6: with with Law two. I just I think that the
Speaker 6: past rushability is absolutely top shelf there. I think the
Speaker 6: more complete players Verse I agree with that. I just
Speaker 6: think the more complete player, you know, and because like
Speaker 6: he'll hold his ground, he reads the play, he reacts
Speaker 6: to the play, He's a good tackler in the open field,
Speaker 6: he could finish the play in a hurry, he wraps
Speaker 6: up in space, and all that the better. Like I say,
Speaker 6: the better pass rushers the u c l a kid,
Speaker 6: But the guy that plays the most complete game is Verse.
Speaker 6: And I think I would put Verse above him in
Speaker 6: this regard.
Speaker 7: Oh, I'm ever reading my notes as you're.
Speaker 5: Going up and you're saying that Brian doesn't know what
Speaker 5: the hell is going.
Speaker 7: When you look in comparison to size and build, they're similar,
Speaker 7: they're they're just a little off from each other as
Speaker 7: far as the size and their build. But I will
Speaker 7: say when you talk about Jared Versby in the more,
Speaker 7: I don't know, just the more, I think he's just
Speaker 7: a little bit more under control.
Speaker 8: The lot to is.
Speaker 7: And I feel you because I like a little bit
Speaker 7: of Lattuo's not being under control because he you know,
Speaker 7: he just flies to the ball. And also to shut
Speaker 7: out to FSU for what they're doing over there with
Speaker 7: that program, because when you turn on that tape of
Speaker 7: that defense, holy yeah, yeah, they are flying well.
Speaker 5: And I'll never forget verse two years ago. Brian can
Speaker 5: touch this.
Speaker 4: He wrecked LSU in that openar yeah, and then unfortunately
Speaker 4: got hurt. But he would I mean I thought he
Speaker 4: was coming out last year and would have been a
Speaker 4: top fifteen pick.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 7: And when you mentioned Verse, I mean, he's not super bendy.
Speaker 8: It's just enough. Yeah, it's just it's to me, it's
Speaker 8: just enough.
Speaker 7: But he he is flexible, He's not Bendy, but he's
Speaker 7: he has some flexibility, because you gotta have some flexibility
Speaker 7: to be in the two point two point stance and
Speaker 7: then go to the three point stance and then being
Speaker 7: able to move around like that.
Speaker 8: If I had to.
Speaker 7: Choose one of them as far as like I'm if
Speaker 7: you want to go do some crazy things, then you
Speaker 7: would choose Lit too, and that's fine. But if you're
Speaker 7: with d N and what it is in this league now,
Speaker 7: you're looking for somebody that can really contain that edge
Speaker 7: and be disciplined and play under control and stuff. And
Speaker 7: I'm thinking, I just think that Versus is going to
Speaker 7: be the better player there. But I will say, I
Speaker 7: do you think that people and not just the injury
Speaker 7: with lots of guys, do you think people are gonna
Speaker 7: care about the age he's four?
Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, that's not old. But when you look at
Speaker 9: the end of a first contract, I mean, that's that's
Speaker 9: coming up later than I know. It's a different position,
Speaker 9: but Jackson powers Johnson just turned twenty one or twenty
Speaker 9: two a couple of weeks ago, so it's obviously completely different.
Speaker 9: So you have to factor in those things. I think,
Speaker 9: especially whenever you're talking about a fifth six year player,
Speaker 9: And that's part of Michael Pennix as well. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 9: do you draft him in the first round to keep
Speaker 9: him five years and go ahead and lock him down?
Speaker 9: Or are you okay with letting him push to the
Speaker 9: second third and getting him potentially on a four year deal.
Speaker 9: So it's it's things you think about.
Speaker 6: I always think about when we were here in Dallas,
Speaker 6: we drafted Terrence Newman and he was an older guy
Speaker 6: out of Kansas State, and he's like, you can't draft
Speaker 6: an older guy.
Speaker 5: And he played till he was like forty.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, I mean sometimes some of these sometimes
Speaker 6: you sometimes you're like and the older guy. I think
Speaker 6: with quarterbacks now, I think people are digging the fact
Speaker 6: that these guys are maybe.
Speaker 5: A little older and maybe they've played a little bit
Speaker 5: more games.
Speaker 6: Know, So I don't think that used to be where
Speaker 6: people would use that against them.
Speaker 5: I don't think they're doing that much any I think.
Speaker 4: The only position would be running back now, I'm sure
Speaker 4: not taking that different like versus twenty three.
Speaker 2: Yeah, did Terrence Newman have injury questions though? Because both
Speaker 2: Pennix and have injury history extensive ones at that Terrence
Speaker 2: supposed to fine, yeah, and he never got.
Speaker 3: I think when you pair the age with the injury history.
Speaker 6: That's that's where it's that's going to be the question
Speaker 6: for a law to That's going to be the question
Speaker 6: if if all of a sudden, we're starting to hear
Speaker 6: whispers out of the combine that you know, wow, this
Speaker 6: this this injury is you know he plays through it
Speaker 6: or it's going to be something you're gonna have to
Speaker 6: deal with down the road.
Speaker 5: Well, there here comes your faller.
Speaker 2: He was an FBS best twenty five percent pass rush
Speaker 2: win win.
Speaker 5: Rap last year.
Speaker 3: That's insane.
Speaker 2: All the time he's in the backfield.
Speaker 8: I wanted to I wanted to do you.
Speaker 7: I want to ask you, guys, when you watch lat
Speaker 7: two and what he does on the edge, can you
Speaker 7: see that he was a linebacker. You see the athleticism,
Speaker 7: but also to you see I see him reading, yeah,
Speaker 7: the crap from the position, and he's he's so intriguing.
Speaker 8: I just want to ask him. I'm sorry to me
Speaker 8: to interrupt you. I want to make what I thought I.
Speaker 7: Was seeing is like he's reading consistently and I think
Speaker 7: also too it helps him with angles as well.
Speaker 8: When he's playing the run, so I just wanted to
Speaker 8: make shot.
Speaker 9: Throwing him in as a decoy is kind of interesting
Speaker 9: from a pass rush perspective because you can see him
Speaker 9: about to attack the ball and he'll drive back.
Speaker 8: He's fine.
Speaker 9: And I talked about that play here on the show
Speaker 9: that I saw at Senior Bowl during the practices where
Speaker 9: he was lining up coming off of the left edge,
Speaker 9: going up against the left tackle, and he was going
Speaker 9: up against Michael Pennocks and he dropped back in coverage
Speaker 9: and I think it confused Pinnix a little bit, and
Speaker 9: so Penix was like, Okay, I'll roll out. Law two
Speaker 9: won't follow me if I roll out, and he followed
Speaker 9: him step for step and then Penix had to throw
Speaker 9: it out of bounds in a practice session. So yeah, yeah,
Speaker 9: it's it's it's interesting. He's he's got those coverage knacks,
Speaker 9: and I think it'll really help if you're looking for
Speaker 9: a defender that can kind of be able to bridge
Speaker 9: the defensive front with that second level.
Speaker 2: Next scenario, Tyler Newman safety from Minnesota against Jaden Hicks,
Speaker 2: safety from Washington.
Speaker 5: These two different guys.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, I think so forty one and forty three
Speaker 2: on Dane's list.
Speaker 5: By the way, I'm the guys I hated when you
Speaker 5: put this on there.
Speaker 4: I just texted Ryan the other night and I was like, dude,
Speaker 4: I think I was late to the party here when
Speaker 4: it comes to Washington State cap.
Speaker 5: But holy hell, is his take fun?
Speaker 4: Like him and Peyton Wilson might be the most fun
Speaker 4: I've had watching anybody during this entire draft process. This
Speaker 4: is tough because new but I think is super similar
Speaker 4: to Verse right. I think he is great in coverage.
Speaker 4: I think he comes up. He's a sure tackler. Jayden
Speaker 4: Hicks is a game breaker. Jayden Hicks to me, I
Speaker 4: put in my notes like here reminds me of a
Speaker 4: Harrison Smith Troy Paulamalu type of hybrid. I think he's
Speaker 4: a Tasmanian devil out there. He's better to me when
Speaker 4: he's around the line of scrimmage because he can just
Speaker 4: wreck plays. I think he lacks elite long speed, but
Speaker 4: he's super quick, super aware, explosive downhill tackles anything that moves.
Speaker 4: But the thing with him is he just always around
Speaker 4: the ball. Both of these guys are kind of like that.
Speaker 4: But Jaden Hicks to me just stands out like the
Speaker 4: ball finds him. I think the instincts are a little
Speaker 4: bit better. Nuban might be a better coverage guy, but
Speaker 4: you see Hicks as well playing the deep high safety.
Speaker 4: I think he had an interception on Michael Pennix this
Speaker 4: year playing that so he can cover.
Speaker 5: It's not like he can't.
Speaker 4: But I'm gonna lean with Jayden Hicks here just because
Speaker 4: I think he's more of a playmaker than Nuban.
Speaker 2: Wow, does the fact that he's a late bloomer question
Speaker 2: you a little bit?
Speaker 5: I think ahead of them.
Speaker 3: That's that's fun. That's the best type of prospect right him.
Speaker 7: No, no, no, no, no, I'm saying Jayden is a He's
Speaker 7: a tear dun He is. He's a tear close to
Speaker 7: and just the way he diagnoses and comes downhill. Now
Speaker 7: you said, are these guys two different guys? I think
Speaker 7: both of these guys have from versus. I think both
Speaker 7: can play some free safety, both can play some strong safety.
Speaker 7: But I do think that Tyler Newban could be more
Speaker 7: effective is in a nickel, uh than what I think
Speaker 7: Jayden Hicks could be. And I but I do think
Speaker 7: that Jayden Hicks has the ability to do some things
Speaker 7: and die.
Speaker 5: I think would love Jayden.
Speaker 8: Hicks immediately, immediately, immediately.
Speaker 7: You know what's so funny is like I think that
Speaker 7: Zimmer would like this guy, would like Jayden Hicks. And
Speaker 7: I think the gentleman that just left and went to
Speaker 7: Washington would really like.
Speaker 8: Yes, the way that you look at it.
Speaker 7: But in regards to the player, I mean, I think
Speaker 7: his backside disciplined Jaden and Hicks is really good. And
Speaker 7: the way he plays, it's the way he plays the
Speaker 7: run that stands out to me.
Speaker 8: Yeah, That's that's what stood out to me the most.
Speaker 7: And and even when when he's not as fluid a
Speaker 7: man covers just yet like that's something you can tell
Speaker 7: he's still working.
Speaker 8: But he's he's explosive, but he's.
Speaker 7: Not quick breaking breaking to the ball like it's if
Speaker 7: that doesn't make sense like and but also to he's
Speaker 7: he's a thumper, like he's coming downhill. He's trying to
Speaker 7: make sure you know that he's there. But I do
Speaker 7: think he can show up his tackling a little bit more.
Speaker 7: But Tyler Nuben watching him and getting an idea of
Speaker 7: what he can do, he's ideal in rangey, in coverage
Speaker 7: he has good zone awareness and he's fluid.
Speaker 8: He's fluid and he can cover a lot of ground fast.
Speaker 8: The ball skills really stand.
Speaker 7: Out because he's he's baiting quarterbacks at times he's he's
Speaker 7: I mean, it's I mean, I know, I call Sidney
Speaker 7: Brown swiper. This this might be swiper for real because
Speaker 7: you don't how many times are you watching him? And
Speaker 7: you're like, how did they not?
Speaker 8: Because he's a big dude, but people don't be seeing him.
Speaker 7: But I think that takes it takes i Q to
Speaker 7: be able to do some of the things he does.
Speaker 7: I I really like I like me some Tyler Nuban
Speaker 7: and I think Jayden Hicks it could be fun, definitely
Speaker 7: if you need run support, if you need a guy
Speaker 7: to come down there and be a tone setter.
Speaker 8: But Newban I think is the more com complete player
Speaker 8: right now.
Speaker 5: From all of y'all, man, I you know what, I
Speaker 5: love both players. I really really do.
Speaker 6: Tyler Nuban to me though, I think he's one of
Speaker 6: the best safeties in the country. I mean, the awareness,
Speaker 6: the instincts, you know what others are standing still on
Speaker 6: the defense he's running, you know, like people at the
Speaker 6: Golden Gophers are not.
Speaker 5: They're they're not. They're all standing there and he's He's like, no,
Speaker 5: I'm running. I'm going.
Speaker 6: I'm going to go get the ball. He could punish
Speaker 6: ball carriers with his closing speed. He makes a ton
Speaker 6: of plays going downhill, attacking the line of scrimmage. He's
Speaker 6: not going to let the receiver make the play on him.
Speaker 6: He's going to get his eyes around. He's going to
Speaker 6: play the ball well. In the trail position. I think
Speaker 6: he covers better. And that's kind of why I would
Speaker 6: give him the nod of the other guy, because you
Speaker 6: watch and I asked you this, because I think that
Speaker 6: Hicks is more of a strong safety.
Speaker 5: I know they're interchangeable.
Speaker 6: Nowadays, and that's what and that's what Zimmer's going to
Speaker 6: look at.
Speaker 5: But I think that I think Hicks is.
Speaker 6: Really more of a strong safety, whereas Nuban is more
Speaker 6: of a free And if I had to put one
Speaker 6: back deep that can cover, I think I would go
Speaker 6: with you, but I will I'll tell you this. I
Speaker 6: did see Hicks run with guys in the slot that
Speaker 6: were faster than he did, and he carried him, and
Speaker 6: he carried him. I just think he impatched the game. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 6: it's that's a tough call right where he is, but
Speaker 6: yeah it is.
Speaker 5: I went Nube and on the slight I like just coverage.
Speaker 9: I like Hicks's man coverage ability and being able to
Speaker 9: stick with guys at nickel or being able to even
Speaker 9: They worked and met some boundary at times as well
Speaker 9: this short season, and they moved him around. But I
Speaker 9: think when you look at range and what you want
Speaker 9: from a safety to be able to come in as
Speaker 9: an early guy, uh and play day one, I think
Speaker 9: you want to trust a guy like Tyler Nuban. I
Speaker 9: think he's my safety one. I stand on that. I
Speaker 9: think he's going to be playing in this league for
Speaker 9: a very long time. What I like to do with
Speaker 9: really fun safety prospects, and this is kind of a
Speaker 9: sick o thing that I like to do. I want
Speaker 9: to whenever they're playing single high coverage, I'll put that
Speaker 9: dot in the middle of my screen and I'll get
Speaker 9: a expo marker and I want to draw a radius
Speaker 9: around where he can affect the play from that single
Speaker 9: high coverage. Nuban, I was covering my entire laptop screen,
Speaker 9: but Nuben covered my entire screen. I mean that guy
Speaker 9: he steps up and run coverage, he can step back.
Speaker 9: I mean, his his ability to affect a play spans
Speaker 9: anywhere from twenty to twenty five yards in any given play.
Speaker 9: That's that's what I love about him. I think his
Speaker 9: instincts are phenomenal. You mentioned it. Him always moving around
Speaker 9: and always being on top of the ball. That plays
Speaker 9: into it. I love Newman, but I also love what
Speaker 9: Hicks does from a coverage standpoint. I just don't think
Speaker 9: he has the range that Nuben does. But frankly, I
Speaker 9: don't think anyone in this draft class does me.
Speaker 2: Okay, we can talk about you all mentioned instincts for
Speaker 2: both of these guys. Who has better instincts based off
Speaker 2: of what you've seen so far?
Speaker 9: Yeah, Nuban in coverage in coverage, yeah Uben, Yeah, Okay,
Speaker 9: specifically in zone.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I say Nuben, I mean but that Yeah, But
Speaker 7: he's played a lot of He's.
Speaker 8: Played a lot of football.
Speaker 7: Yeah, Yeah, he's played a lot of football Minnesota, And
Speaker 7: the production just stands out to you as well, kind
Speaker 7: of lets you know, like he probably understands moreymore.
Speaker 8: He's been on the field.
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Speaker 2: Slash game Time. All right, we've got one more scenario
Speaker 2: we've been rolling through these would you rathers of the
Speaker 2: twenty twenty four NFL Draft class? Stacking our board with
Speaker 2: Zach Wilchuck, Nick Harris Brian brought us Ayisha Morrison, I'm
Speaker 2: Kyle Yeomens with Chris Beaman the back and Zach.
Speaker 3: You've got one more scenario you want to throw at us?
Speaker 4: Yeah, just for fun. I mean I brought Bowers, the
Speaker 4: tight end out of Georgia, who. I think that is
Speaker 4: probably a top ten type of pick that everybody loves.
Speaker 4: And I think since his freshman year we've kind of
Speaker 4: looked at him as an elite tight end prospects number.
Speaker 3: Five on Dane's Top one hundred.
Speaker 4: By the way, Orgitavian Sanders, the wide receiver out of Texas.
Speaker 4: Local kid went to Dent and Ryan we all got
Speaker 4: to cover him in high school, actually played defensive end
Speaker 4: at Ryan. I wasn't sure if he'd stay there, but
Speaker 4: he wanted to play offense. I mean, the dudis us
Speaker 4: an absolute freak show. Now Bowers is incredible. I mean,
Speaker 4: it's like any way to get the ball in his
Speaker 4: hands first ever back to back John Mackie Award winner.
Speaker 4: Can line him up in the slot out wide in line.
Speaker 4: The question for me is, and he's a willing blocker,
Speaker 4: but you want a guy that can set the edge
Speaker 4: for you at tight end, and that is not only
Speaker 4: a up and in the passing game, but also in
Speaker 4: the blocking game. And the best tight ends in today's
Speaker 4: NFL do this. You look at Kelsey, you look at Kittle,
Speaker 4: go down the list. They can block, and I think
Speaker 4: Jatavian Sanders is a better blocker out of Texas, out
Speaker 4: of Texas than brock Bowers out of Georgia. And he
Speaker 4: can also make plays over the middle of the field.
Speaker 4: You know, there's no question Bowers in terms of long speed,
Speaker 4: is a better playmaker with the ball in his hands.
Speaker 4: But Jatavian Sanders, I think gives you everything. If you
Speaker 4: talk about the most complete tight end in the draft,
Speaker 4: and that's kind of some of the arguments we've been
Speaker 4: having with these. I would lean with JT. Sanders over
Speaker 4: brock Bowers. I think brock Bowers in the passing game
Speaker 4: far superior player when you combine the receiving ability and
Speaker 4: the blocking ability. I really love what I see in
Speaker 4: Jatavian Sanders.
Speaker 10: By the way, Brockower, alright, alright.
Speaker 9: Thank you, Matthew.
Speaker 2: Jatavian Sanders is number fifty on Dane's list, So you
Speaker 2: and Dane would have a conversation about.
Speaker 4: It, like there's no, there's no I mean Bowers is
Speaker 4: going to go ahead of Jatavion Sanders, but just projecting
Speaker 4: ahead four years, five years from now where you like
Speaker 4: the most the better player, because I mean, like Kyle Pitts,
Speaker 4: we all loved Kyle Pitts and maybe this is a
Speaker 4: product of the offense he's playing, but he has not
Speaker 4: lived up to that top ten expectation. Jatavian Sanders is
Speaker 4: a guy that's going to go later that I wouldn't
Speaker 4: be surprised if he ends up being a better NFL
Speaker 4: tight end than brock Bowers.
Speaker 8: Is it a lot of it because of the size, A.
Speaker 4: Lot of it's but it's the blocking. To me, it's
Speaker 4: just it's the all around player. It's being able to
Speaker 4: set the edge in the run game. But also I
Speaker 4: kind of get a little verse to it. Yeah, I
Speaker 4: think he can run the I think he can run routes.
Speaker 4: He can feast over the middle of the field. He's
Speaker 4: not going to be a game breaker when it comes
Speaker 4: to elite speed. Brock Bowers is, and brock Bowers is
Speaker 4: a fun chess piece. He's in just an offensive weapon.
Speaker 4: To me, he's kind of a borderline wide receiver is
Speaker 4: a tight end, but it's not that he's not a
Speaker 4: willing blocker. The size, though, I think, is a drastic
Speaker 4: difference between these two players.
Speaker 9: Okay, this one's tough for me because I'm biased with
Speaker 9: Jatavian Sanders because I've known him for gosh going on
Speaker 9: six years now. But I like everything you said, and man,
Speaker 9: Jitavian Sanders took some hits this year that I'd be
Speaker 9: worried brock Bower's taking, and so those I brought up
Speaker 9: those concerns on Tuesday whenever we talked about brock Bauers
Speaker 9: on this show, and you know, is the size of concern.
Speaker 9: I think that's something you definitely look at at combine
Speaker 9: and kind of see how those two guys stack up
Speaker 9: next to each other. But man, I love what Jatavian
Speaker 9: does from a physicality standpoint, and it shows and route running,
Speaker 9: it shows that at the point of the catch. I
Speaker 9: think there's a lot of things to love about Jatavian,
Speaker 9: but it's so close for me. I would take Bowers
Speaker 9: just above. But I think both of these guys are
Speaker 9: first round caliber players. I think there's definitely a chance
Speaker 9: for Jatavian Sanders to sneak into the first round.
Speaker 6: Let me ask you guys this question, then the after
Speaker 6: the catch? Is it better than is it?
Speaker 5: To you?
Speaker 6: How important is that when you get your guy run
Speaker 6: after catch, say you're tight end.
Speaker 4: I mean it's important, certainly, Okay, you have to have it,
Speaker 4: you have to have the wiggle. And Bowers is better
Speaker 4: after the catch. But it's not like Sanders is bad.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I think it's the speeds the difference. But Sanders can
Speaker 4: break tackles, he can run through you. He's not quite
Speaker 4: as sudden and fl flexible as Bowers is, but I
Speaker 4: think he can.
Speaker 5: He can bounce off defenders better than Bowers can. So
Speaker 5: where would you rank them blocking? Would you put it
Speaker 5: over right? I think that's the biggest gap between them.
Speaker 4: I think that the gap in blocking with pro Sanders
Speaker 4: to Bowers is the biggest gap in their games.
Speaker 8: But what are you asking? You asking which was more important?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 6: I was asking, like, which one is more important to
Speaker 6: you right now? The fact that you have him as
Speaker 6: a blocker, the fact you have one of the best
Speaker 6: run after catch guys in the country.
Speaker 9: You're talking.
Speaker 3: The scheme fit well, And let me add another element
Speaker 3: into this.
Speaker 2: I mean you talk about possession receivers at the tight
Speaker 2: end position and how important that is.
Speaker 3: Who's the better pass catcher in general? Who has the
Speaker 3: better hands, Sanders or Bowers.
Speaker 9: I think they are right there together.
Speaker 3: There's there's not some phenomenal grabs.
Speaker 5: Yeah, to me.
Speaker 6: The thing that the thing the biggest difference to me
Speaker 6: is Bowers run after catch is I think that's elite
Speaker 6: with him?
Speaker 5: It is, you know.
Speaker 6: But the thing about it is, I'm trying to think,
Speaker 6: do I is it more important me to have a
Speaker 6: more complete player, a guy that I think is elite
Speaker 6: after cats?
Speaker 5: Yeah? Like that's why I leaned law to in the
Speaker 5: verse conversation.
Speaker 4: It's more important to me to have the pass rusher
Speaker 4: that can impact the passing game than the all around
Speaker 4: end in this conversation. In today's NFL, I think Sanders
Speaker 4: is a three down player. I think you might be
Speaker 4: sub and outbours in some run situations.
Speaker 7: Well, I was about to say, I guess it depends
Speaker 7: on what your room looks like, your tight end room
Speaker 7: looks like, because I think we are starting to see
Speaker 7: more teams have not a committee of tight ends, but
Speaker 7: one typically can do something better than the other and
Speaker 7: vice versa or whatever the case may be.
Speaker 8: Now, if you got to that can block, well I'm jealous,
Speaker 8: but uh, I mean, but are and are.
Speaker 7: Still able to be receiving threats. But I do also
Speaker 7: it extends to your play calling because when you can
Speaker 7: have guys act like they're blocking and then they can
Speaker 7: slip with their actual threats, like real threats, they're not
Speaker 7: just there for decoration.
Speaker 8: I do think it puts a lot.
Speaker 7: Of pressure on defenses to have to get after it
Speaker 7: and to deal with those guys that are able to
Speaker 7: block effectively, and also to slip into slip into the
Speaker 7: second level one and do some things.
Speaker 6: Where Bowers has a chance is he has to block
Speaker 6: on the move.
Speaker 5: He's not gonna Sanders could play in line. Bowers doesn't
Speaker 5: play in line. That's the problem right there.
Speaker 6: If you want an in line and want to talk
Speaker 6: about in line next to the tackle, you know, he
Speaker 6: he's Sanders's he could do that.
Speaker 5: Bowers to me, when you put him on the move
Speaker 5: on the.
Speaker 6: Edge, when he could run with somebody and play in
Speaker 6: space that way, I think that's where he's better.
Speaker 5: You know, he has to be on the move.
Speaker 6: I don't think he's gonna sit there and hammer anybody
Speaker 6: playing in line.
Speaker 5: So do you.
Speaker 7: Forfeit the dynamic playmaking ability for the block the lack
Speaker 7: of block that's hard.
Speaker 4: I just wanted to throw it out there, like I
Speaker 4: had Bowers. Everybody's gonna have him number one. I mean,
Speaker 4: in my stack, I'm gonna have Bowers and Sanders. I'm
Speaker 4: gonna have Bowers ahead of him. But I do think
Speaker 4: to Tavian Sanders is a little bit closer. And I
Speaker 4: think overall, when you look at just the best, most
Speaker 4: complete tight end of the draft, you can make a
Speaker 4: case he's that.
Speaker 2: Could you see a chance or a scenario where Bowers
Speaker 2: falls out of the top ten and Sanders sneaks into
Speaker 2: the first round if that's the case, because if he's
Speaker 2: still stacked one two, but there are these questions on
Speaker 2: how he does perform as a blocker, how he does
Speaker 2: perform in line. Will you maybe see a hesitation from
Speaker 2: teams to take him in the top ten?
Speaker 3: And then if Jatavian Sanders.
Speaker 2: Is that complete prospect that he is, maybe instead of
Speaker 2: being in the fifties where Dane has him right now,
Speaker 2: he sneaks up inside the top thirty two.
Speaker 5: Or is just such an offensive weapon.
Speaker 4: I do think that a team's just gonna fall in
Speaker 4: love with him and say, hell, let's do this. But yeah,
Speaker 4: I don't see him falling out of the top fifteen.
Speaker 4: Ye I think you could get the three quarterbacks and
Speaker 4: a run on offensive tackles. So maybe he does slip
Speaker 4: out of the top ten, but I think Sanders could
Speaker 4: sneak himself.
Speaker 5: Into the back of the first round. Absolutely.
Speaker 6: My first line of my report was that loved Kyle
Speaker 6: Pitts from the twenty twenty one NFL Draft, and I
Speaker 6: feel like this guy's a similar player but slightly better.
Speaker 3: Oh you think he's better that.
Speaker 5: I think it's better than Kyle Pitts.
Speaker 9: How many times have you been able to look at
Speaker 9: a tight end prospers coming out into the draft and
Speaker 9: say that this guy is a threat pre snap, like
Speaker 9: you have to. You have to account for him the
Speaker 9: moment he steps between the lines.
Speaker 5: Kyle Pitts is that guy? Yeah, you can't.
Speaker 9: You probably can't say many on your two hands, and
Speaker 9: Brock Bowers is definitely one of those.
Speaker 5: He is.
Speaker 9: You see what Georgia did as far as getting him
Speaker 9: free releases and getting him going in the receiving game
Speaker 9: as the as his career went on. It's he's so
Speaker 9: dangerous as an offensive weapon. It's it's so tough to
Speaker 9: be sweeps.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I mean that's rare.
Speaker 14: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think if I had to put it, even knowing
Speaker 2: what happened in the NFL career, I think I liked
Speaker 2: Kyle Pitts better than I like Brock Bauers. But both
Speaker 2: are elite prospects in their own right, and they they
Speaker 2: they certainly of course haven't seen that from Kyle Pitts
Speaker 2: in Georgia. We saw it during brock Powers time at
Speaker 2: the University of Georgia, and.
Speaker 3: We'll see how it turns to the Well, I hate
Speaker 3: that Kyle Pitts.
Speaker 8: It's just one of the downsides.
Speaker 7: Of of this, of this in general, is like I
Speaker 7: really have a huge gripe WISZ player development and things
Speaker 7: like that when this time stuff happens.
Speaker 8: But I'm just not gonna go today you.
Speaker 5: Got to coach the lost his job because of it.
Speaker 5: So you're not the only one that feels that way.
Speaker 2: There you go, Look, wo would you rather today? Sending
Speaker 2: you into the long weekend with.
Speaker 3: Uh with a little bit of draft point talk, what
Speaker 3: uh We're done?
Speaker 8: I know that Monday.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Monday's off President's Day.
Speaker 9: I will not be here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not gonna be in the building. So okay,
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