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Speaker 1: He's the Dallascowboys dot Com Draft Show, your war room

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Speaker 2: Today is Thursday, February fifteenth, twenty twenty four, and we

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Speaker 2: are now officially seventy days away from the NFL Draft

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Speaker 2: in Detroit, Michigan. Welcome into the Draft Show presented by

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Speaker 2: Miller Lata Taste you Can depend on with Brian brought

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Speaker 2: us Aisha Morrison, Nick Karras, Zakwilchuck back with us today.

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Speaker 3: I'm Kyle Yeomans. What's going on, Zach?

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Speaker 4: How's it going good man? I've been itching to get

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Speaker 4: back here. I told Bobby, hey Man, you can sit

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Speaker 4: out of this one. I had something I couldn't make Tuesday.

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Speaker 4: Bobby and I are alternating. I said, Bobby, I'm jumping

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Speaker 4: in on Thursday. Okay, you can go ahead and take

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Speaker 4: a back seat.

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Speaker 2: And then you guys fought for it, fistfight all the

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Speaker 2: way through and you want so congratulations did We'll have

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Speaker 2: to check up on Bobby later.

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Speaker 3: I'm not sure he's doing okay.

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Speaker 5: Brian, I'm doing great.

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Speaker 6: I wasn't feeling well yesterday. I think Vegas got to

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Speaker 6: me a little bit. I don't think it was the

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Speaker 6: alcohol or anything like that.

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Speaker 5: We were doing well.

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Speaker 6: I just think there was a lot going on in

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Speaker 6: that radio row. So I couldn't hear, couldn't talk, which

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Speaker 6: is very bad for me to do. Uh So, Yeah,

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Speaker 6: feel a lot better today. Happy to be on the

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Speaker 6: Draft show and are ready to roll.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, we've got some fun scenarios to talk about.

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Speaker 2: But we're gonna scrap all that and we're only going

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Speaker 2: to talk about how college football video games are back

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Speaker 2: for the first.

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Speaker 3: Time in a week. We're gonna do it. Yeah, We're

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Speaker 3: just gonna not talk about anything else.

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Speaker 2: Today's that's all in the game. Yeah, that's gonna be

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Speaker 2: a lot of fun. No, on all serious notes. Brian

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Speaker 2: put together a list of would you rather We're going

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Speaker 2: to go through that, and there's a lot to get to.

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Speaker 2: I want to go straight into it. I don't want

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Speaker 2: to waste any time here. I want to say would

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Speaker 2: you rather on a couple of these prospects.

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Speaker 3: Now, keep in mind this is.

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Speaker 2: Not Cowboys related specifically, right, Brian, This is prospect only.

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Speaker 6: On your on your board. As you look at these,

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Speaker 6: as you look at these players. And what I did

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Speaker 6: was Dane Brugler's Top one hundred came out yesterday, and

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Speaker 6: what I want to do is I wanted to kind

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Speaker 6: of you know, he had a couple of guys that

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Speaker 6: were pretty close position wise, and so I thought that

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Speaker 6: would be a good opportunity for us to say, would

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Speaker 6: you rather have this guy or this guy on your board.

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Speaker 6: Dane does a hell of a job with his board,

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Speaker 6: but all scouts are different the way they see these players.

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Speaker 6: So that's why I created this list.

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Speaker 2: It's a really good list. Some of them are really

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Speaker 2: tough to really decipher between. By the way, you can

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Speaker 2: check out Dane's Top one hundred on the Athletic right now.

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Speaker 3: Just go on there.

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Speaker 2: If you've got the subscription search top one hundred, you

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Speaker 2: can even follow along as.

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Speaker 3: We do this.

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Speaker 2: But let's start things off at the wide receiver position.

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Speaker 2: He has two wide receivers in the top three overall prospects.

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Speaker 2: At number two, he has Marvin Harrison, junior wide receiver

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Speaker 2: out of Ohio State, six foot four, two hundred and

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Speaker 2: five pounds junior. Of course, the agree with Marvin Harrison

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Speaker 2: But then right behind him out of Brian brought us

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Speaker 2: his fight in LSU Tigers the league. Neighbors is there,

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Speaker 2: six foot two hundred pound wide receiver and a junior

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Speaker 2: as well. I shall start with you, out of these

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Speaker 3: Which one do you feel like you would go with?

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Speaker 7: Well, when comparing the two players, I feel like Marvin

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Speaker 7: I think if you're looking for I think MALIEE. Neighbors

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Speaker 7: a little bit more with him. I just think that

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Speaker 8: Similarities there.

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Speaker 7: But I do think that the difference to me between

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Speaker 8: A little bit more edge to him to.

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Speaker 7: Me and how he plays from a physical standpoint, and

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Speaker 7: so Gez, I mean, who would I rather? And it's

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Speaker 7: not for the Cowboys just in.

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Speaker 3: General, just put stack.

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Speaker 5: Him on your board.

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Speaker 8: I'm not about to piss nobody up.

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Speaker 7: I I I just think, I just think it depends

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Speaker 8: Like in a player. So for me, Mylik Neighbors stood

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Speaker 7: He just when I look at a player, when I

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Speaker 7: And it's not to say that Marvin Harrison Junior doesn't

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Speaker 8: But there's just this little bit of like attitude different.

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Speaker 7: It's very slight that I like in Mylik Neighbors just

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Speaker 8: That's just me and that is what it is.

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Speaker 9: You spoke to that physicality with with Neighbors, And I

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Speaker 9: is the fact that he's typically brought down whenever he

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Speaker 9: His releases are some of the best that I've seen

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Speaker 9: at the college level coming out. It's tough to find

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Speaker 9: many bad things about him. Whenever I look at my

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Speaker 9: as far as being able to run away from guys.

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Speaker 9: Compared to Marvin Harrison. He can't. Compared to Marvin Harrison,

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Speaker 9: I think there's a little bit more of that big

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Speaker 9: which if you're drafting in the top of the first

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Speaker 9: I think you get Marvin Harrison.

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Speaker 8: Well, well, my meleak neighbors. I think I don't know

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Speaker 8: if I think the Melik Neighbors.

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Speaker 7: When he turns a field and he's the way he's

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Speaker 7: looking a field to make plays, He's he's a little

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Speaker 7: just a bit better, you know, and really, yeah.

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Speaker 5: I don't think.

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Speaker 9: I don't I agree with that, like, I don't think wrong,

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Speaker 9: I don't think contact like that's that's one of the

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Speaker 3: You're talking about catch.

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Speaker 4: To me, what sets him apart is I think Marvin

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Speaker 4: make some really difficult grounds. The Neighbors will body catch

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Speaker 3: Sure.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I'm with you, guys in terms of after

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Speaker 2: Oh, I was waiting for somebody to bring that up,

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Speaker 2: But no, I've got a D three.

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Speaker 5: But I and I just want to do better than Neighbors.

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Speaker 4: That's really I think. I think they're closer to me

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Speaker 4: than Harrison and Neighbors are. Wow, I got Harrison a

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Speaker 4: number one. Now do you still think.

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Speaker 2: Both of these guys, Harrison Junior and Neighbors are top

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think all three of those guys are probably

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Speaker 5: Do you agree, Brian, Yeah, there's no question about that.

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Speaker 6: The thing about it is the uh, it's because I

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Speaker 5: This is one of the best receivers ever to play

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Speaker 6: And they've had thanks ed thanks, Yeah, and they've had

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Speaker 6: some uh, they've had some great ones. When you start

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Speaker 6: to talk about Chase and Jefferson and all that, this

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Speaker 6: I mean, like I say, they've had some great ones,

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Speaker 6: and this kid is right there with these guys. And

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Speaker 6: when the way you watch him play, he loves to

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Speaker 6: play the game. But Marvin Harrison, you could watch him

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Speaker 6: and say the same thing. Marvin Harrison loves to play

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Speaker 6: the game. You could see that both of those game

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Speaker 6: explosiveness to Neighbors game. I think there's some finish to

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Speaker 6: his game. I've seen him catch the ball, turn it

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Speaker 6: he's the master of the stutter goes. He can, he

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Speaker 6: can set you up. He can you know, he runs

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Speaker 5: He could go deep. He's he's got so much to

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Speaker 6: I people gonna say, oh, Rosher lsu Homer, Okay, fine,

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Speaker 6: I'm an lsu Homer Neighbors.

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Speaker 5: I think is a better player than Marvin Harrison could.

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Speaker 2: Some of the physicality questions for Marvin Harrison Junior stem

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Speaker 2: from he wasn't caught by anybody. I mean, he was

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Speaker 2: had to be physical win catching footballs on the film.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, where it jumped out to me was when he

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Speaker 9: only again, the only concern I can find with Marvin Harrison.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I love cat radius, really impressed and.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's unbelievable the way that he can contort.

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Speaker 5: I mean it's Michael Gallup esque.

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Speaker 4: When Gallup was in his prime, his ability to make

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Speaker 4: tough catches with his wings span, the catch readiest. To

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Speaker 4: your point, I think he's got the long speed. Neighbors

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Speaker 4: runs more angry. I mean, you're and I think the

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Speaker 4: body type is it's probably the difference, right, because Marvin

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Speaker 4: Harrison Junior is a little bit long, slight build. Neighbors

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Speaker 4: is taller. Neighbors is filled out. Yeah, you know so Neighbors.

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Speaker 4: I think physically, you look at him, he's got the

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Speaker 4: Probably he's a.

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Speaker 5: Stronger player than Marvin Harrison Junior is.

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Speaker 7: I don't want to sound like I'm thinking too hard

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Speaker 3: He's it's taught.

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Speaker 9: It's taught now, it's.

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Speaker 7: Taught and so and it's actually asks Brandon Cooks about

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Speaker 3: I feel like we could spend an entire draft show

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Speaker 5: We really could.

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Speaker 2: There are so many fun ones. But let's go from

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Speaker 3: I hope you know that, Tigers.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so he was number eight on Dane's top one

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Speaker 2: hundred at Jaden Daniels of course won the Heisman, had

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Speaker 2: Then you got Drake May North Carolina, who's number four

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Speaker 9: Yeah. I've I've actually gone back and forth between this

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Speaker 9: I've been trying to have that conversation and trying to

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Speaker 9: I love what Drake May does from a pocket standpoint,

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Speaker 9: in the NFL. I think with going in the first round,

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Speaker 9: If we're looking five years into the future. I think

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Speaker 2: Drake May six foot four, two thirty and then you've

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Speaker 2: And of course that's gonna change whenever the combine comes around.

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Speaker 2: We'll get more accurate numbers and we'll kind of roll

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Speaker 3: Aisha huh No.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, man, this is uh, this is this is a

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Speaker 4: I like the footwork. He'll stand in the pocket, he'll

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Speaker 4: Understanding of coverage. I think he plays the position with

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna trust my arm here, and he'll make some

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Speaker 5: Type of player. This dude is special. He is rare.

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Speaker 4: He is a talent to where he can extend plays.

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Speaker 4: He's not always looking to bail out and run. He

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Speaker 4: He can slide navigate in the pocket. Between the two,

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Speaker 4: I want the game breaker prospect.

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Speaker 5: I think Drake mays a safer pick.

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Speaker 4: I think if I'm an offensive staff, I'm gonna have

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Speaker 4: This dude needs to get out of bounds sometimes or

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Speaker 4: learn how to slide because he puts himself in arm's way,

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Speaker 4: I think I'm gonna slightly go with Jayden Daniels here.

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Speaker 3: That's interesting.

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Speaker 6: What do you think, Brian, I'm going to go with

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Speaker 5: I've seen some games.

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Speaker 6: I've seen some games where Drake may as you know,

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Speaker 5: He's got the touch.

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Speaker 6: He could throw the ball underneath, he could throw the

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Speaker 5: This guy's had three.

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Speaker 6: He deserved the Heisman Trophy. He's got some incredible toughness

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Speaker 6: Throughout the year. He bounces back, He battles through the game.

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Speaker 6: He doesn't give up on plays. He can embarrass tacklers

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Speaker 6: I mean, he's got some super strong hands. You'll see

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Speaker 5: That might be the problem right there. Skinny is Skinny is.

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Speaker 9: I think the gamer effect is definitely something you have

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Speaker 9: And I think Jayden Daniels does have a little bit

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Speaker 9: Right we have this show two weeks ago, I'm giving

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Speaker 5: I think those are the top three. But who's your

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Speaker 2: I was gonna ask that question. The next one man,

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Speaker 3: McCarthy out of Michigan.

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Speaker 5: See I got Penix.

443
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Speaker 3: I'm Pinnix all day and I don't.

444
00:18:56,760 --> 00:19:00,080
Speaker 4: I don't get the JJ McCarthy Bonnick hype for me.

445
00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:01,560
Speaker 4: I think McCarthy, you want to take him in the

446
00:19:01,600 --> 00:19:03,840
Speaker 4: second round. Maybe like Sean Payton and the Broncos, he

447
00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:04,800
Speaker 4: could be a good fit there.

448
00:19:04,800 --> 00:19:05,880
Speaker 5: I think JJ McCarthy.

449
00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:07,520
Speaker 4: I know Cam Newton got into a lot of trouble

450
00:19:07,520 --> 00:19:10,520
Speaker 4: with the game manager talk. That's what McCarthy is for me.

451
00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:14,200
Speaker 4: I just don't see him making game changing type of plays.

452
00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:16,840
Speaker 4: I think he plays within the game, plays within the system.

453
00:19:17,119 --> 00:19:18,840
Speaker 4: I mean you're watching him, they're handing the ball off,

454
00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:20,639
Speaker 4: handing the ball off. Then you need him to make

455
00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:22,000
Speaker 4: a play on third down and he'll.

456
00:19:21,840 --> 00:19:22,520
Speaker 5: Sail a pass.

457
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Speaker 4: I don't get it with JJ McCarthy bo Nicks, I

458
00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:27,680
Speaker 4: definitely don't get it. I think he's a third round,

459
00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:29,920
Speaker 4: fourth round type of dude. Bo Nicks is a one

460
00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:32,280
Speaker 4: read type of quarterback for me. I don't think either

461
00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:34,159
Speaker 4: room our first round players. I think Pennix is the

462
00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:34,800
Speaker 4: next dude.

463
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Speaker 9: Up, slander, let's go.

464
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Speaker 2: We've always you've always had something else for Nicks. Now

465
00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:45,080
Speaker 2: there is a place in the NFL for guys like that.

466
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Speaker 2: There are plays.

467
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Speaker 3: I mean, one of the guys played in the super

468
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Speaker 3: Bowl this past year.

469
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Speaker 9: Then let's not.

470
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Speaker 3: Let's not. Let's not pretend brock Party is the top

471
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Speaker 3: quarterback in the NFL.

472
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Speaker 5: I mean he's the best.

473
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Speaker 3: No, that's not. Let's not.

474
00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:02,600
Speaker 5: That's why Patrick mahomes you. No, he did not.

475
00:20:03,320 --> 00:20:04,959
Speaker 3: All right, let's go to offensive tackle.

476
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Speaker 2: How about this sixteen and seventeen on Dane's Top one hundred,

477
00:20:09,119 --> 00:20:12,680
Speaker 2: one hundred list offensive tackle out of Oregon State, Talisi

478
00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:16,800
Speaker 2: Fuaga six foot five, three thirty two Redcher junior making

479
00:20:16,840 --> 00:20:17,880
Speaker 2: his way out of Oregon State.

480
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Speaker 3: Then you've got a Marius Mimes.

481
00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:24,360
Speaker 2: Offensive tackle out of Georgia six ' seven three thirty

482
00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:26,200
Speaker 2: Brian who you got on this one?

483
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Speaker 6: I'll tell you what I went with the Oregon State

484
00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:31,920
Speaker 6: kid here in this one, and I'll tell you why

485
00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:36,800
Speaker 6: I did, because, man, the the thing about him is

486
00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:40,760
Speaker 6: it's amazing his athletic ability for his size. He's so

487
00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:43,640
Speaker 6: impressive of the foot athlete. He puts himself in position

488
00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:46,879
Speaker 6: to kick away from the line of scrimmage. Opponents have

489
00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:50,720
Speaker 6: no shot to bull rush this guy super He's super tough,

490
00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:54,240
Speaker 6: he sits down, he's nasty in the run game. He

491
00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:56,960
Speaker 6: can easily get movement off the snap. He will drive

492
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Speaker 6: his man out of the play several times. If you're

493
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Speaker 6: watching the film and he's just and his guy, you know.

494
00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:02,159
Speaker 5: Out of the way.

495
00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:04,960
Speaker 6: I think there might you know, I think there might

496
00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:08,159
Speaker 6: be some thought about moving him even to guard because

497
00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:10,560
Speaker 6: of the power and the ability to move. But I

498
00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:14,120
Speaker 6: just love the way that this guy punishes defenders when

499
00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:18,959
Speaker 6: helping teammates. The power, the finish he makes me really

500
00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:21,680
Speaker 6: really uh you know, at six six three thirty four.

501
00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:25,280
Speaker 6: Those are all things to really really like about his game.

502
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Speaker 9: Yeah, whenever I looked at Fuaga, I like that you

503
00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:30,480
Speaker 9: mentioned the mobility because I put that his ability starts

504
00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:32,840
Speaker 9: with his legs and it finish, It finishes with his

505
00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:35,440
Speaker 9: violent hands. I saw that at Senior Bowl quite a bit.

506
00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:38,159
Speaker 9: Before going into the Senior Bowl, I liked Fluago, but

507
00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:40,200
Speaker 9: I fell in love with him after that. And then

508
00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:43,000
Speaker 9: they they threw a different kind of pass rushers at him.

509
00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:45,600
Speaker 9: They threw the athletic ones like lyle to Latu and

510
00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:47,679
Speaker 9: then they threw the physical ones like a Marshawn Nelan,

511
00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:51,960
Speaker 9: and he was able to combo both of those type

512
00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:55,360
Speaker 9: of pass rushers with his feet first and then finishing

513
00:21:55,359 --> 00:21:57,439
Speaker 9: with his hands. I really love what he does, and

514
00:21:57,480 --> 00:21:59,560
Speaker 9: his experience, I think is what's going to make me

515
00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:02,680
Speaker 9: give him the victory for me here in this would

516
00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:04,560
Speaker 9: you rather you talk about it Marius Mems and I

517
00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:06,680
Speaker 9: know we've talked about it with just the eight starts,

518
00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:10,840
Speaker 9: but that's tough. He's young, it's not necessarily raw. No, No,

519
00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:13,320
Speaker 9: he's not necessarily raw at all. I think he can

520
00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:16,720
Speaker 9: go into an NFL franchise, be able to have a

521
00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:19,200
Speaker 9: strong training camp, and have an opportunity to start depending

522
00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:21,120
Speaker 9: on where he lands. But I think with a little

523
00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:23,760
Speaker 9: bit more of that experience in preseason and getting him

524
00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:26,080
Speaker 9: a custom with an NFL offense early in the year

525
00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:28,040
Speaker 9: with a team that might not be competing for a

526
00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:30,679
Speaker 9: playoff spot, I think by year two, year three, we

527
00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:33,359
Speaker 9: could be comparing these guys a lot more closer. I

528
00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:35,840
Speaker 9: think long term that's really tough to judge, but right now,

529
00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:38,719
Speaker 9: as a draft prospect, I'll take the experience. If two

530
00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:40,119
Speaker 9: guys are kind of the same to me when it

531
00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:41,160
Speaker 9: comes to on field play.

532
00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:43,879
Speaker 7: Yeah, when you look at Fuaga, I don't think you

533
00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:47,600
Speaker 7: can teach what he does and just the you talk

534
00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:50,440
Speaker 7: about the attitude and the determination.

535
00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:52,639
Speaker 8: He has a lot of tenacity in his game.

536
00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:55,920
Speaker 7: And again I think Mems has these things as well,

537
00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:59,400
Speaker 7: but I just you look at Fuaga and the tech,

538
00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:01,359
Speaker 7: the technical side of things is there.

539
00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:03,240
Speaker 8: I just think you have a more.

540
00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:08,320
Speaker 7: Rounded player to start right with with Fuaga to start

541
00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:09,480
Speaker 7: and that's that would be.

542
00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:11,160
Speaker 8: My only thing is the experience and things.

543
00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:13,200
Speaker 7: But I just don't think what he does in the

544
00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:15,920
Speaker 7: run game and just how his the natural awareness and

545
00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:17,480
Speaker 7: stuff from him is just it's.

546
00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:19,760
Speaker 8: Just the guy just gets the position.

547
00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:22,359
Speaker 7: It's you know, so if I'm if I'm a coach

548
00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:24,960
Speaker 7: or something like that, I kind of know exactly exactly

549
00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:27,600
Speaker 7: what I'm getting right away with this guy. In comparison

550
00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:29,480
Speaker 7: to Mems, even though there's a lot of love for

551
00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:30,320
Speaker 7: Home over here.

552
00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:33,159
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, both of those guys would be great.

553
00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:36,000
Speaker 2: And we're not I know we're not talking about cowboys specifically,

554
00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:37,920
Speaker 2: but I would I would take you don't want to

555
00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:40,760
Speaker 2: make it, Mems could certainly make it.

556
00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:43,640
Speaker 5: Mims is one of those guys. For like four years

557
00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:44,040
Speaker 5: from now.

558
00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:46,359
Speaker 4: If he ends up being the best tackle in this class,

559
00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:49,120
Speaker 4: I wouldn't be shocked because the talent's there. But I'm

560
00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:51,000
Speaker 4: gonna go with Fuaga as well. I think he might

561
00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:53,239
Speaker 4: be the best run blocking tackle of the bunch. I mean,

562
00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:55,400
Speaker 4: I love what Alt can bring you, with Fashan who

563
00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:58,600
Speaker 4: can bring you. But Fuaga is my favorite tackle in

564
00:23:58,680 --> 00:23:59,280
Speaker 4: this draft.

565
00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:02,600
Speaker 5: He's now, he's mean. I like the kick in the slide.

566
00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:04,160
Speaker 5: He's got natural bend as well.

567
00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:06,640
Speaker 4: Sometimes you can get caught, you know, lunging a little bit,

568
00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:08,400
Speaker 4: so players can get caught underneath them.

569
00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:09,560
Speaker 5: But log is a beast.

570
00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:11,840
Speaker 6: You know the thing about memes And I'm gonna ask

571
00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:13,840
Speaker 6: you guys this, do you feel like that you can

572
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:17,639
Speaker 6: use some movement wise in the scheme? I mean, do

573
00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:20,000
Speaker 6: you feel like he's a light footed enough guy to

574
00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:21,480
Speaker 6: be able to move around a little bit.

575
00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:22,040
Speaker 8: I thought it was.

576
00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:23,600
Speaker 11: You.

577
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Speaker 8: I thought he was effective as a puller. It's not

578
00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:31,520
Speaker 8: as the second one, not as it's not as smooth.

579
00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:34,880
Speaker 7: It's not as like you can kind of see him

580
00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:37,879
Speaker 7: have to build up like the transition it's smooth. But

581
00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:40,960
Speaker 7: I do think it's something we talk about the experience.

582
00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:43,000
Speaker 7: I do think that is something that could get better

583
00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:45,480
Speaker 7: with the experience. But I do think as a as

584
00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:47,919
Speaker 7: doing ad being asked to do it, he can do it.

585
00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:51,239
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's got the ability to do it.

586
00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:53,240
Speaker 4: I think you're right, And maybe that is an experience

587
00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:55,760
Speaker 4: issue because sometimes you'll see him get out in space

588
00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:57,159
Speaker 4: and he's like, I'm not sure who I need to

589
00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:59,399
Speaker 4: block here, and so he's a little late to picking

590
00:24:59,440 --> 00:24:59,880
Speaker 4: up his gay.

591
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Speaker 5: That's what I picked up there. The talent. The talent,

592
00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:02,920
Speaker 5: I do think.

593
00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:04,640
Speaker 4: I think he's got the athletic I mean his arms

594
00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:06,800
Speaker 4: are so long that the thing is, he's so big.

595
00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:08,600
Speaker 5: When I'm watching him, I want him to just.

596
00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:12,000
Speaker 4: Beat people up, like it's you have the physical ability

597
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:14,760
Speaker 4: and strength to do it. Blog is doing that, flogg

598
00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:17,000
Speaker 4: Is knocking people on the ground. I'm like, Mims, be

599
00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:18,960
Speaker 4: a little bit more aggressive you're at the point of attack.

600
00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:22,720
Speaker 2: Is that something you can teach Brian to to an

601
00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:25,920
Speaker 2: offensive tackle? I know some guys have it, like Fuaga

602
00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:28,399
Speaker 2: has it. Yeah, if you don't think Mims has that

603
00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:30,480
Speaker 2: is something that he is. That something he can pick

604
00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:31,320
Speaker 2: up at the next level.

605
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Speaker 6: I think that you're going to have to try because

606
00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:36,040
Speaker 6: I think I just got him right, and Zach, I

607
00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:38,520
Speaker 6: like what you're saying about the hesitation. I was just

608
00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:40,639
Speaker 6: a little worried because I didn't see the smoothness. And

609
00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:42,639
Speaker 6: I'm glad you explained it the way it is. I

610
00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:45,959
Speaker 6: was thinking with the other guy, you know, he's just

611
00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:48,919
Speaker 6: you see him and he locates, he's on it, and

612
00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:52,160
Speaker 6: he's and he's working. Mims is a little bit of hesitation,

613
00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:53,960
Speaker 6: a little bit, I'm not sure, a little bit of

614
00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:56,120
Speaker 6: I'm trying to get gathered.

615
00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:56,840
Speaker 5: To be able to do it.

616
00:25:57,520 --> 00:25:59,280
Speaker 6: So that's why I had a little bit of a question.

617
00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:02,000
Speaker 6: But both these guys are just mammoth when you start

618
00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:04,240
Speaker 6: talking about in the three thirty and three forty range.

619
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Speaker 6: I just felt like the Oregon State guy was just

620
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:09,280
Speaker 6: a little bit better scheme fit for me trying to

621
00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:12,520
Speaker 6: if I'm going to play with some outside zone, I'm

622
00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:14,520
Speaker 6: gonna play where I have to get second level or

623
00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:17,239
Speaker 6: cut off back sides. He just seemed like he had

624
00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:18,720
Speaker 6: a little bit more to his game there.

625
00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:19,640
Speaker 9: It's natural for him.

626
00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:21,840
Speaker 7: You can tell, yeah, I think he I think he

627
00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:24,720
Speaker 7: with MEMS. One thing I was looking for him to

628
00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:26,200
Speaker 7: do is finish blocks.

629
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Speaker 3: There you go, yeah to it and flagger there's.

630
00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:32,879
Speaker 7: No doubt you're trying to drive you completely out of

631
00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:36,920
Speaker 7: the play. Now, the injury that Mims had, what was it?

632
00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:37,840
Speaker 8: He had a surgery.

633
00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:39,280
Speaker 5: He had an ankle here at an ankle in the

634
00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:40,160
Speaker 5: South Carolina game.

635
00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:41,320
Speaker 8: Ape.

636
00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:42,640
Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, surgery is yeah.

637
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:45,840
Speaker 6: George is famous for this. George is famous for this tightrope,

638
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:48,879
Speaker 6: this high ankle spring. It's called tightrope. And they and

639
00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:51,920
Speaker 6: they they connect the bones together, they bring the bones

640
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:54,560
Speaker 6: back together, and they did it with the tight end

641
00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:57,480
Speaker 6: brock Bowers. Brock Bowers did it and he came back sooner.

642
00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:00,400
Speaker 6: So George is kind of working on this. But they

643
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:02,400
Speaker 6: did this. But he he got hurt in the South

644
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:04,359
Speaker 6: Carolina game and missed six games.

645
00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:06,239
Speaker 5: But they did the tight rope on it. Okay, you

646
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:08,399
Speaker 5: brought up rock Browners. Can I throw out a wood?

647
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:10,520
Speaker 5: You rather that? I think I might be on an

648
00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:11,040
Speaker 5: island here?

649
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:13,360
Speaker 3: Can we do it on the second second you want to? Yeah,

650
00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:14,240
Speaker 3: because we've got more.

651
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:15,760
Speaker 5: I want to get myself in trouble with you.

652
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:17,159
Speaker 2: We've got two more that we want to get to

653
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:19,200
Speaker 2: and then we can add yours third and we could

654
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:22,240
Speaker 2: talk about it h before we go to break tally.

655
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Speaker 3: Essay, Right, is that how you say is seen?

656
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:26,320
Speaker 9: Talis. That's what I've been seeing.

657
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:27,000
Speaker 5: You've seen talise.

658
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:30,880
Speaker 2: I'm looking at Oregon State's pronunciation guide, and it could

659
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:33,639
Speaker 2: be wrong. I've seen plenty of college pronunciation guys that

660
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:37,240
Speaker 2: are wrong. But tally s or tally essay is what

661
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:37,760
Speaker 2: they've got.

662
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:40,879
Speaker 3: Tall e s t There you go.

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Speaker 5: It was people.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it was cool, it's cool. We need to get

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Speaker 5: back to this.

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Speaker 4: Whenever it was not good, it would not recommend it.

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Speaker 4: I mean, it's a cool machine. But that's about it.

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Speaker 5: Pete's out of a machine. All right.

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Speaker 3: Let's go with edge rushers first.

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Speaker 5: Here.

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Speaker 2: I want to talk about Jared Jared Verse from Florida

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Speaker 2: State versus Bayatu Latu from UCLA, also touching tags on

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Speaker 2: Dame Brugler's top one hundred list on the Athletic twenty

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Speaker 3: Zach, where would you start on this one?

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Speaker 5: Better all around player is Verse.

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Speaker 4: I think he's the best all around edge when it

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Speaker 4: comes to, you know, playing the run and rushing the passer.

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Speaker 4: But I'm going to go with Law two because this

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Speaker 4: is all about getting after the quarterback, and I have

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Speaker 4: Law two. A's the best overall pass rusher in the draft.

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Speaker 4: I think his bend is unique and it's exceptional. It

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Speaker 4: reminds me of DeMarcus ware ESQ. You know, his ability

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Speaker 4: to just get low. He's tough, He's got a nice

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Speaker 4: little cross chop, he'll rush, he can loop all the

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Speaker 4: way around the quarterback, get up field. I do think

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Speaker 4: his gap discipline is an issue for me. I think

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Speaker 4: Verse is better when it comes to that. I think

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Speaker 4: he can play, you know, stand up outside linebacker, can

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Speaker 4: put his hand in the ground. He's got room to improve.

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Speaker 4: But I think he's the best overall pass rusher. Him

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Speaker 4: and Chop Robinson are the top two guys for me.

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Speaker 5: But Verse.

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Speaker 4: If you want a guy that's just all around, can

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Speaker 4: set the edge, play the run, but also gives you

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Speaker 4: some pass rush ability versus the better all around guy.

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Speaker 5: But I'm gonna lean.

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Speaker 9: Onto that's Funny you mentioned about Law two's gap discipline,

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Speaker 9: because the one negative that I did put with him

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Speaker 9: is run game. I think there's a little bit of

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Speaker 9: concerns there, but I think that's going to come with

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Speaker 9: more experience A and then two as he kind of

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Speaker 9: fills out his lower half. Like I said, whenever I

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Speaker 9: came out of Senier Bowl, the whenever I look at

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Speaker 9: his frame, when I look at his body, I still

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Speaker 9: see room for him to grow in his lower half.

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Speaker 9: You could still probably add ten to fifteen pounds there.

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Speaker 9: I think if you want a guy to be physical,

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Speaker 9: you want a guy that's dual purpose as far as

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Speaker 9: being able to rush the passer but also being able

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Speaker 9: to defend the run, you go with Jared Vers. But

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Speaker 9: if you want a guy that's going to attack the

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Speaker 9: quarterback and be athletic and violent and be able to

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Speaker 9: get to him and bring him down, then you go

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Speaker 9: get Law two. I think Law two is going to

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Speaker 9: be the SAT guy that's going to blow away. It'll

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Speaker 9: blow away. You know those stat categories whenever you look

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Speaker 9: at Rookie of the Year and things about a year

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Speaker 9: from now. But I think when you look at three

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Speaker 9: four years from now, the better developmental project. I think

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Speaker 9: it's Jared versus nice.

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Speaker 5: Wow.

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Speaker 6: I'll tell you what, because I had a hard time

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Speaker 6: with these two. I do love me some Verse, and

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Speaker 6: I'm worried about what I'm gonna hear from the medical

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Speaker 6: from lat too. You know, is are people going to

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Speaker 6: you know, he was at the University of Washington and

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Speaker 6: they asked him not to play football anymore, medically retired,

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Speaker 6: medically retired and then came back. And I wonder if

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Speaker 6: that's going to ding him further down the road. I

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Speaker 6: love what you guys are saying. I just the thing

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Speaker 6: with with Law two. I just I think that the

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Speaker 6: past rushability is absolutely top shelf there. I think the

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Speaker 6: more complete players Verse I agree with that. I just

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Speaker 6: think the more complete player, you know, and because like

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Speaker 6: he'll hold his ground, he reads the play, he reacts

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Speaker 6: to the play, He's a good tackler in the open field,

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Speaker 6: he could finish the play in a hurry, he wraps

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Speaker 6: up in space, and all that the better. Like I say,

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Speaker 6: the better pass rushers the u c l a kid,

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Speaker 6: But the guy that plays the most complete game is Verse.

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Speaker 6: And I think I would put Verse above him in

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Speaker 6: this regard.

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Speaker 7: Oh, I'm ever reading my notes as you're.

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Speaker 5: Going up and you're saying that Brian doesn't know what

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Speaker 5: the hell is going.

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Speaker 7: When you look in comparison to size and build, they're similar,

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Speaker 7: they're they're just a little off from each other as

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Speaker 7: far as the size and their build. But I will

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Speaker 7: say when you talk about Jared Versby in the more,

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Speaker 7: I don't know, just the more, I think he's just

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Speaker 7: a little bit more under control.

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Speaker 8: The lot to is.

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Speaker 7: And I feel you because I like a little bit

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Speaker 7: of Lattuo's not being under control because he you know,

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Speaker 7: he just flies to the ball. And also to shut

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Speaker 7: out to FSU for what they're doing over there with

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Speaker 7: that program, because when you turn on that tape of

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Speaker 7: that defense, holy yeah, yeah, they are flying well.

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Speaker 5: And I'll never forget verse two years ago. Brian can

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Speaker 5: touch this.

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Speaker 4: He wrecked LSU in that openar yeah, and then unfortunately

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Speaker 4: got hurt. But he would I mean I thought he

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Speaker 4: was coming out last year and would have been a

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Speaker 4: top fifteen pick.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 7: And when you mentioned Verse, I mean, he's not super bendy.

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Speaker 8: It's just enough. Yeah, it's just it's to me, it's

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Speaker 8: just enough.

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Speaker 7: But he he is flexible, He's not Bendy, but he's

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Speaker 7: he has some flexibility, because you gotta have some flexibility

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Speaker 7: to be in the two point two point stance and

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Speaker 7: then go to the three point stance and then being

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Speaker 7: able to move around like that.

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Speaker 8: If I had to.

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Speaker 7: Choose one of them as far as like I'm if

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Speaker 7: you want to go do some crazy things, then you

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Speaker 7: would choose Lit too, and that's fine. But if you're

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Speaker 7: with d N and what it is in this league now,

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Speaker 7: you're looking for somebody that can really contain that edge

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Speaker 7: and be disciplined and play under control and stuff. And

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Speaker 7: I'm thinking, I just think that Versus is going to

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Speaker 7: be the better player there. But I will say, I

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Speaker 7: do you think that people and not just the injury

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Speaker 7: with lots of guys, do you think people are gonna

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Speaker 7: care about the age he's four?

882
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:09,560
Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, that's not old. But when you look at

883
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:11,239
Speaker 9: the end of a first contract, I mean, that's that's

884
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 9: coming up later than I know. It's a different position,

885
00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:16,520
Speaker 9: but Jackson powers Johnson just turned twenty one or twenty

886
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:18,760
Speaker 9: two a couple of weeks ago, so it's obviously completely different.

887
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 9: So you have to factor in those things. I think,

888
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 9: especially whenever you're talking about a fifth six year player,

889
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 9: And that's part of Michael Pennix as well. Yeah, you know,

890
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:28,200
Speaker 9: do you draft him in the first round to keep

891
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 9: him five years and go ahead and lock him down?

892
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:32,360
Speaker 9: Or are you okay with letting him push to the

893
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 9: second third and getting him potentially on a four year deal.

894
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:36,680
Speaker 9: So it's it's things you think about.

895
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:39,120
Speaker 6: I always think about when we were here in Dallas,

896
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 6: we drafted Terrence Newman and he was an older guy

897
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:43,600
Speaker 6: out of Kansas State, and he's like, you can't draft

898
00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:44,239
Speaker 6: an older guy.

899
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:45,800
Speaker 5: And he played till he was like forty.

900
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:48,880
Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, I mean sometimes some of these sometimes

901
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 6: you sometimes you're like and the older guy. I think

902
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 6: with quarterbacks now, I think people are digging the fact

903
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 6: that these guys are maybe.

904
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:58,920
Speaker 5: A little older and maybe they've played a little bit

905
00:37:58,920 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 5: more games.

906
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:02,359
Speaker 6: Know, So I don't think that used to be where

907
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:04,120
Speaker 6: people would use that against them.

908
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:06,080
Speaker 5: I don't think they're doing that much any I think.

909
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 4: The only position would be running back now, I'm sure

910
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 4: not taking that different like versus twenty three.

911
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:16,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, did Terrence Newman have injury questions though? Because both

912
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 2: Pennix and have injury history extensive ones at that Terrence

913
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:23,439
Speaker 2: supposed to fine, yeah, and he never got.

914
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:27,480
Speaker 3: I think when you pair the age with the injury history.

915
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:29,320
Speaker 6: That's that's where it's that's going to be the question

916
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:31,440
Speaker 6: for a law to That's going to be the question

917
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:33,359
Speaker 6: if if all of a sudden, we're starting to hear

918
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:36,800
Speaker 6: whispers out of the combine that you know, wow, this

919
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:39,759
Speaker 6: this this injury is you know he plays through it

920
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:41,759
Speaker 6: or it's going to be something you're gonna have to

921
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:43,239
Speaker 6: deal with down the road.

922
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:44,960
Speaker 5: Well, there here comes your faller.

923
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:48,720
Speaker 2: He was an FBS best twenty five percent pass rush

924
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:49,560
Speaker 2: win win.

925
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:50,239
Speaker 5: Rap last year.

926
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:50,800
Speaker 3: That's insane.

927
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:54,480
Speaker 2: All the time he's in the backfield.

928
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 8: I wanted to I wanted to do you.

929
00:38:57,080 --> 00:38:58,799
Speaker 7: I want to ask you, guys, when you watch lat

930
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:01,799
Speaker 7: two and what he does on the edge, can you

931
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:06,520
Speaker 7: see that he was a linebacker. You see the athleticism,

932
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 7: but also to you see I see him reading, yeah,

933
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 7: the crap from the position, and he's he's so intriguing.

934
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 8: I just want to ask him. I'm sorry to me

935
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:19,319
Speaker 8: to interrupt you. I want to make what I thought I.

936
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 7: Was seeing is like he's reading consistently and I think

937
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 7: also too it helps him with angles as well.

938
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 8: When he's playing the run, so I just wanted to

939
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:27,960
Speaker 8: make shot.

940
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:31,480
Speaker 9: Throwing him in as a decoy is kind of interesting

941
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:33,520
Speaker 9: from a pass rush perspective because you can see him

942
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:35,480
Speaker 9: about to attack the ball and he'll drive back.

943
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 8: He's fine.

944
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:38,600
Speaker 9: And I talked about that play here on the show

945
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:40,719
Speaker 9: that I saw at Senior Bowl during the practices where

946
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:42,839
Speaker 9: he was lining up coming off of the left edge,

947
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:45,799
Speaker 9: going up against the left tackle, and he was going

948
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:48,080
Speaker 9: up against Michael Pennocks and he dropped back in coverage

949
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 9: and I think it confused Pinnix a little bit, and

950
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:52,319
Speaker 9: so Penix was like, Okay, I'll roll out. Law two

951
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:54,120
Speaker 9: won't follow me if I roll out, and he followed

952
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 9: him step for step and then Penix had to throw

953
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:59,719
Speaker 9: it out of bounds in a practice session. So yeah, yeah,

954
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:02,719
Speaker 9: it's it's it's interesting. He's he's got those coverage knacks,

955
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:04,239
Speaker 9: and I think it'll really help if you're looking for

956
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:06,560
Speaker 9: a defender that can kind of be able to bridge

957
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:09,320
Speaker 9: the defensive front with that second level.

958
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:16,040
Speaker 2: Next scenario, Tyler Newman safety from Minnesota against Jaden Hicks,

959
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:17,280
Speaker 2: safety from Washington.

960
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:18,720
Speaker 5: These two different guys.

961
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, I think so forty one and forty three

962
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:22,799
Speaker 2: on Dane's list.

963
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:25,319
Speaker 5: By the way, I'm the guys I hated when you

964
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:25,960
Speaker 5: put this on there.

965
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:28,520
Speaker 4: I just texted Ryan the other night and I was like, dude,

966
00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:30,480
Speaker 4: I think I was late to the party here when

967
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:32,120
Speaker 4: it comes to Washington State cap.

968
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:34,080
Speaker 5: But holy hell, is his take fun?

969
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:36,560
Speaker 4: Like him and Peyton Wilson might be the most fun

970
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:40,799
Speaker 4: I've had watching anybody during this entire draft process. This

971
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 4: is tough because new but I think is super similar

972
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:46,320
Speaker 4: to Verse right. I think he is great in coverage.

973
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:48,960
Speaker 4: I think he comes up. He's a sure tackler. Jayden

974
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:51,719
Speaker 4: Hicks is a game breaker. Jayden Hicks to me, I

975
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:54,480
Speaker 4: put in my notes like here reminds me of a

976
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:58,600
Speaker 4: Harrison Smith Troy Paulamalu type of hybrid. I think he's

977
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:01,799
Speaker 4: a Tasmanian devil out there. He's better to me when

978
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:04,040
Speaker 4: he's around the line of scrimmage because he can just

979
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 4: wreck plays. I think he lacks elite long speed, but

980
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 4: he's super quick, super aware, explosive downhill tackles anything that moves.

981
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:13,839
Speaker 4: But the thing with him is he just always around

982
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:15,879
Speaker 4: the ball. Both of these guys are kind of like that.

983
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 4: But Jaden Hicks to me just stands out like the

984
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:20,680
Speaker 4: ball finds him. I think the instincts are a little

985
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:23,120
Speaker 4: bit better. Nuban might be a better coverage guy, but

986
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:25,680
Speaker 4: you see Hicks as well playing the deep high safety.

987
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:27,400
Speaker 4: I think he had an interception on Michael Pennix this

988
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 4: year playing that so he can cover.

989
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:30,160
Speaker 5: It's not like he can't.

990
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:32,640
Speaker 4: But I'm gonna lean with Jayden Hicks here just because

991
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:34,320
Speaker 4: I think he's more of a playmaker than Nuban.

992
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 2: Wow, does the fact that he's a late bloomer question

993
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:39,319
Speaker 2: you a little bit?

994
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:41,800
Speaker 5: I think ahead of them.

995
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:45,680
Speaker 3: That's that's fun. That's the best type of prospect right him.

996
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:48,640
Speaker 7: No, no, no, no, no, I'm saying Jayden is a He's

997
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:51,120
Speaker 7: a tear dun He is. He's a tear close to

998
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:55,759
Speaker 7: and just the way he diagnoses and comes downhill. Now

999
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:58,480
Speaker 7: you said, are these guys two different guys? I think

1000
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:01,200
Speaker 7: both of these guys have from versus. I think both

1001
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:04,080
Speaker 7: can play some free safety, both can play some strong safety.

1002
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:06,480
Speaker 7: But I do think that Tyler Newban could be more

1003
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:10,719
Speaker 7: effective is in a nickel, uh than what I think

1004
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:12,879
Speaker 7: Jayden Hicks could be. And I but I do think

1005
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:14,960
Speaker 7: that Jayden Hicks has the ability to do some things

1006
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:15,440
Speaker 7: and die.

1007
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 5: I think would love Jayden.

1008
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 8: Hicks immediately, immediately, immediately.

1009
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:22,520
Speaker 7: You know what's so funny is like I think that

1010
00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 7: Zimmer would like this guy, would like Jayden Hicks. And

1011
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 7: I think the gentleman that just left and went to

1012
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:29,279
Speaker 7: Washington would really like.

1013
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 8: Yes, the way that you look at it.

1014
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 7: But in regards to the player, I mean, I think

1015
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 7: his backside disciplined Jaden and Hicks is really good. And

1016
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:38,480
Speaker 7: the way he plays, it's the way he plays the

1017
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:39,480
Speaker 7: run that stands out to me.

1018
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:43,959
Speaker 8: Yeah, That's that's what stood out to me the most.

1019
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:46,440
Speaker 7: And and even when when he's not as fluid a

1020
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 7: man covers just yet like that's something you can tell

1021
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:49,440
Speaker 7: he's still working.

1022
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:52,160
Speaker 8: But he's he's explosive, but he's.

1023
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:55,719
Speaker 7: Not quick breaking breaking to the ball like it's if

1024
00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:59,400
Speaker 7: that doesn't make sense like and but also to he's

1025
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 7: he's a thumper, like he's coming downhill. He's trying to

1026
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 7: make sure you know that he's there. But I do

1027
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:06,520
Speaker 7: think he can show up his tackling a little bit more.

1028
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:10,200
Speaker 7: But Tyler Nuben watching him and getting an idea of

1029
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:13,719
Speaker 7: what he can do, he's ideal in rangey, in coverage

1030
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:16,240
Speaker 7: he has good zone awareness and he's fluid.

1031
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:19,040
Speaker 8: He's fluid and he can cover a lot of ground fast.

1032
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:21,799
Speaker 8: The ball skills really stand.

1033
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:26,560
Speaker 7: Out because he's he's baiting quarterbacks at times he's he's

1034
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:29,120
Speaker 7: I mean, it's I mean, I know, I call Sidney

1035
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:31,520
Speaker 7: Brown swiper. This this might be swiper for real because

1036
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 7: you don't how many times are you watching him? And

1037
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 7: you're like, how did they not?

1038
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:38,040
Speaker 8: Because he's a big dude, but people don't be seeing him.

1039
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:40,560
Speaker 7: But I think that takes it takes i Q to

1040
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:42,120
Speaker 7: be able to do some of the things he does.

1041
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:45,680
Speaker 7: I I really like I like me some Tyler Nuban

1042
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:48,239
Speaker 7: and I think Jayden Hicks it could be fun, definitely

1043
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:50,239
Speaker 7: if you need run support, if you need a guy

1044
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:51,600
Speaker 7: to come down there and be a tone setter.

1045
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 8: But Newban I think is the more com complete player

1046
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:56,120
Speaker 8: right now.

1047
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 5: From all of y'all, man, I you know what, I

1048
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:02,799
Speaker 5: love both players. I really really do.

1049
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:04,880
Speaker 6: Tyler Nuban to me though, I think he's one of

1050
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:07,440
Speaker 6: the best safeties in the country. I mean, the awareness,

1051
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:11,840
Speaker 6: the instincts, you know what others are standing still on

1052
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:14,960
Speaker 6: the defense he's running, you know, like people at the

1053
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 6: Golden Gophers are not.

1054
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:19,080
Speaker 5: They're they're not. They're all standing there and he's He's like, no,

1055
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:20,160
Speaker 5: I'm running. I'm going.

1056
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:22,480
Speaker 6: I'm going to go get the ball. He could punish

1057
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:24,799
Speaker 6: ball carriers with his closing speed. He makes a ton

1058
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:28,799
Speaker 6: of plays going downhill, attacking the line of scrimmage. He's

1059
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:30,960
Speaker 6: not going to let the receiver make the play on him.

1060
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:33,080
Speaker 6: He's going to get his eyes around. He's going to

1061
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:35,560
Speaker 6: play the ball well. In the trail position. I think

1062
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:38,359
Speaker 6: he covers better. And that's kind of why I would

1063
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:41,120
Speaker 6: give him the nod of the other guy, because you

1064
00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:44,480
Speaker 6: watch and I asked you this, because I think that

1065
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 6: Hicks is more of a strong safety.

1066
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:48,000
Speaker 5: I know they're interchangeable.

1067
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:50,080
Speaker 6: Nowadays, and that's what and that's what Zimmer's going to

1068
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:50,560
Speaker 6: look at.

1069
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 5: But I think that I think Hicks is.

1070
00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:56,560
Speaker 6: Really more of a strong safety, whereas Nuban is more

1071
00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:59,160
Speaker 6: of a free And if I had to put one

1072
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:02,239
Speaker 6: back deep that can cover, I think I would go

1073
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:05,239
Speaker 6: with you, but I will I'll tell you this. I

1074
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:08,360
Speaker 6: did see Hicks run with guys in the slot that

1075
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:11,080
Speaker 6: were faster than he did, and he carried him, and

1076
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:15,160
Speaker 6: he carried him. I just think he impatched the game. Yeah, yeah,

1077
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:17,480
Speaker 6: it's that's a tough call right where he is, but

1078
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:17,960
Speaker 6: yeah it is.

1079
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:22,600
Speaker 5: I went Nube and on the slight I like just coverage.

1080
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:24,960
Speaker 9: I like Hicks's man coverage ability and being able to

1081
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:27,040
Speaker 9: stick with guys at nickel or being able to even

1082
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:28,920
Speaker 9: They worked and met some boundary at times as well

1083
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:31,000
Speaker 9: this short season, and they moved him around. But I

1084
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:32,919
Speaker 9: think when you look at range and what you want

1085
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 9: from a safety to be able to come in as

1086
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:37,560
Speaker 9: an early guy, uh and play day one, I think

1087
00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 9: you want to trust a guy like Tyler Nuban. I

1088
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:42,279
Speaker 9: think he's my safety one. I stand on that. I

1089
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 9: think he's going to be playing in this league for

1090
00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:46,520
Speaker 9: a very long time. What I like to do with

1091
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 9: really fun safety prospects, and this is kind of a

1092
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:50,560
Speaker 9: sick o thing that I like to do. I want

1093
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:52,560
Speaker 9: to whenever they're playing single high coverage, I'll put that

1094
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:54,279
Speaker 9: dot in the middle of my screen and I'll get

1095
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:57,400
Speaker 9: a expo marker and I want to draw a radius

1096
00:45:57,400 --> 00:46:00,319
Speaker 9: around where he can affect the play from that single

1097
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:04,000
Speaker 9: high coverage. Nuban, I was covering my entire laptop screen,

1098
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Speaker 9: but Nuben covered my entire screen. I mean that guy

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Speaker 9: he steps up and run coverage, he can step back.

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00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:13,920
Speaker 9: I mean, his his ability to affect a play spans

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Speaker 9: anywhere from twenty to twenty five yards in any given play.

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Speaker 9: That's that's what I love about him. I think his

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Speaker 9: instincts are phenomenal. You mentioned it. Him always moving around

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00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:23,840
Speaker 9: and always being on top of the ball. That plays

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Speaker 9: into it. I love Newman, but I also love what

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Speaker 9: Hicks does from a coverage standpoint. I just don't think

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Speaker 9: he has the range that Nuben does. But frankly, I

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Speaker 9: don't think anyone in this draft class does me.

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Speaker 2: Okay, we can talk about you all mentioned instincts for

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00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:40,279
Speaker 2: both of these guys. Who has better instincts based off

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Speaker 2: of what you've seen so far?

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Speaker 9: Yeah, Nuban in coverage in coverage, yeah Uben, Yeah, Okay,

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Speaker 9: specifically in zone.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I say Nuben, I mean but that Yeah, But

1115
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:52,520
Speaker 7: he's played a lot of He's.

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Speaker 8: Played a lot of football.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, Yeah, he's played a lot of football Minnesota, And

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00:46:56,560 --> 00:46:58,759
Speaker 7: the production just stands out to you as well, kind

1119
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:01,880
Speaker 7: of lets you know, like he probably understands moreymore.

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Speaker 8: He's been on the field.

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Speaker 2: Of anmore Brian an incredible list top to bottom. That

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Speaker 3: We've got a wild card coming up.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna talk about brock Bauers and insert name here

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Speaker 2: at the tight end position.

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Speaker 3: Zach Wilchuck's got a wild.

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Speaker 2: Slash game Time. All right, we've got one more scenario

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Speaker 2: we've been rolling through these would you rathers of the

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty four NFL Draft class? Stacking our board with

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Speaker 2: Zach Wilchuck, Nick Harris Brian brought us Ayisha Morrison, I'm

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Speaker 3: You've got one more scenario you want to throw at us?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, just for fun. I mean I brought Bowers, the

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00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:19,960
Speaker 4: tight end out of Georgia, who. I think that is

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Speaker 4: probably a top ten type of pick that everybody loves.

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00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:24,840
Speaker 4: And I think since his freshman year we've kind of

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Speaker 4: looked at him as an elite tight end prospects number.

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Speaker 3: Five on Dane's Top one hundred.

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Speaker 4: By the way, Orgitavian Sanders, the wide receiver out of Texas.

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Speaker 4: Local kid went to Dent and Ryan we all got

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Speaker 4: to cover him in high school, actually played defensive end

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Speaker 4: at Ryan. I wasn't sure if he'd stay there, but

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Speaker 4: he wanted to play offense. I mean, the dudis us

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Speaker 4: an absolute freak show. Now Bowers is incredible. I mean,

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Speaker 4: it's like any way to get the ball in his

1201
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:48,840
Speaker 4: hands first ever back to back John Mackie Award winner.

1202
00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:52,200
Speaker 4: Can line him up in the slot out wide in line.

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00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:55,240
Speaker 4: The question for me is, and he's a willing blocker,

1204
00:50:55,719 --> 00:50:57,520
Speaker 4: but you want a guy that can set the edge

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00:50:57,560 --> 00:50:59,719
Speaker 4: for you at tight end, and that is not only

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00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:01,480
Speaker 4: a up and in the passing game, but also in

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Speaker 4: the blocking game. And the best tight ends in today's

1208
00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:06,600
Speaker 4: NFL do this. You look at Kelsey, you look at Kittle,

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00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:09,919
Speaker 4: go down the list. They can block, and I think

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00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:12,920
Speaker 4: Jatavian Sanders is a better blocker out of Texas, out

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00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:15,640
Speaker 4: of Texas than brock Bowers out of Georgia. And he

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00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:17,880
Speaker 4: can also make plays over the middle of the field.

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00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:21,360
Speaker 4: You know, there's no question Bowers in terms of long speed,

1214
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:24,840
Speaker 4: is a better playmaker with the ball in his hands.

1215
00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:27,719
Speaker 4: But Jatavian Sanders, I think gives you everything. If you

1216
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:30,680
Speaker 4: talk about the most complete tight end in the draft,

1217
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Speaker 4: and that's kind of some of the arguments we've been

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00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:35,560
Speaker 4: having with these. I would lean with JT. Sanders over

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00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:38,000
Speaker 4: brock Bowers. I think brock Bowers in the passing game

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00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:41,920
Speaker 4: far superior player when you combine the receiving ability and

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Speaker 4: the blocking ability. I really love what I see in

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Speaker 4: Jatavian Sanders.

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Speaker 10: By the way, Brockower, alright, alright.

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00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:49,280
Speaker 9: Thank you, Matthew.

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Speaker 2: Jatavian Sanders is number fifty on Dane's list, So you

1226
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:56,440
Speaker 2: and Dane would have a conversation about.

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Speaker 4: It, like there's no, there's no I mean Bowers is

1228
00:51:58,280 --> 00:52:00,760
Speaker 4: going to go ahead of Jatavion Sanders, but just projecting

1229
00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:03,120
Speaker 4: ahead four years, five years from now where you like

1230
00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:05,520
Speaker 4: the most the better player, because I mean, like Kyle Pitts,

1231
00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:07,759
Speaker 4: we all loved Kyle Pitts and maybe this is a

1232
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:09,799
Speaker 4: product of the offense he's playing, but he has not

1233
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:13,160
Speaker 4: lived up to that top ten expectation. Jatavian Sanders is

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00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:15,200
Speaker 4: a guy that's going to go later that I wouldn't

1235
00:52:15,239 --> 00:52:16,960
Speaker 4: be surprised if he ends up being a better NFL

1236
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:18,279
Speaker 4: tight end than brock Bowers.

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Speaker 8: Is it a lot of it because of the size, A.

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00:52:20,600 --> 00:52:22,480
Speaker 4: Lot of it's but it's the blocking. To me, it's

1239
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:25,360
Speaker 4: just it's the all around player. It's being able to

1240
00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:27,279
Speaker 4: set the edge in the run game. But also I

1241
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:28,800
Speaker 4: kind of get a little verse to it. Yeah, I

1242
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:30,640
Speaker 4: think he can run the I think he can run routes.

1243
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:33,319
Speaker 4: He can feast over the middle of the field. He's

1244
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:35,040
Speaker 4: not going to be a game breaker when it comes

1245
00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:37,840
Speaker 4: to elite speed. Brock Bowers is, and brock Bowers is

1246
00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:40,160
Speaker 4: a fun chess piece. He's in just an offensive weapon.

1247
00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:42,560
Speaker 4: To me, he's kind of a borderline wide receiver is

1248
00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:44,840
Speaker 4: a tight end, but it's not that he's not a

1249
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:48,400
Speaker 4: willing blocker. The size, though, I think, is a drastic

1250
00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:49,920
Speaker 4: difference between these two players.

1251
00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:52,640
Speaker 9: Okay, this one's tough for me because I'm biased with

1252
00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:55,520
Speaker 9: Jatavian Sanders because I've known him for gosh going on

1253
00:52:55,560 --> 00:52:58,160
Speaker 9: six years now. But I like everything you said, and man,

1254
00:52:58,200 --> 00:53:00,560
Speaker 9: Jitavian Sanders took some hits this year that I'd be

1255
00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:03,880
Speaker 9: worried brock Bower's taking, and so those I brought up

1256
00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:06,360
Speaker 9: those concerns on Tuesday whenever we talked about brock Bauers

1257
00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:09,040
Speaker 9: on this show, and you know, is the size of concern.

1258
00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:11,640
Speaker 9: I think that's something you definitely look at at combine

1259
00:53:11,640 --> 00:53:13,200
Speaker 9: and kind of see how those two guys stack up

1260
00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:15,480
Speaker 9: next to each other. But man, I love what Jatavian

1261
00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:18,759
Speaker 9: does from a physicality standpoint, and it shows and route running,

1262
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:21,480
Speaker 9: it shows that at the point of the catch. I

1263
00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:23,360
Speaker 9: think there's a lot of things to love about Jatavian,

1264
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:25,680
Speaker 9: but it's so close for me. I would take Bowers

1265
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:27,680
Speaker 9: just above. But I think both of these guys are

1266
00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:30,239
Speaker 9: first round caliber players. I think there's definitely a chance

1267
00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:32,160
Speaker 9: for Jatavian Sanders to sneak into the first round.

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00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:35,800
Speaker 6: Let me ask you guys this question, then the after

1269
00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:40,280
Speaker 6: the catch? Is it better than is it?

1270
00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:40,719
Speaker 5: To you?

1271
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:43,160
Speaker 6: How important is that when you get your guy run

1272
00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:44,600
Speaker 6: after catch, say you're tight end.

1273
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:48,200
Speaker 4: I mean it's important, certainly, Okay, you have to have it,

1274
00:53:48,239 --> 00:53:50,200
Speaker 4: you have to have the wiggle. And Bowers is better

1275
00:53:50,239 --> 00:53:53,080
Speaker 4: after the catch. But it's not like Sanders is bad.

1276
00:53:53,320 --> 00:53:53,560
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1277
00:53:53,719 --> 00:53:56,160
Speaker 4: I think it's the speeds the difference. But Sanders can

1278
00:53:56,160 --> 00:53:58,719
Speaker 4: break tackles, he can run through you. He's not quite

1279
00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:01,680
Speaker 4: as sudden and fl flexible as Bowers is, but I

1280
00:54:01,719 --> 00:54:02,200
Speaker 4: think he can.

1281
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:05,120
Speaker 5: He can bounce off defenders better than Bowers can. So

1282
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:08,200
Speaker 5: where would you rank them blocking? Would you put it

1283
00:54:08,239 --> 00:54:10,200
Speaker 5: over right? I think that's the biggest gap between them.

1284
00:54:10,239 --> 00:54:12,800
Speaker 4: I think that the gap in blocking with pro Sanders

1285
00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:14,600
Speaker 4: to Bowers is the biggest gap in their games.

1286
00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:18,040
Speaker 8: But what are you asking? You asking which was more important?

1287
00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:18,319
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1288
00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:20,360
Speaker 6: I was asking, like, which one is more important to

1289
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:22,000
Speaker 6: you right now? The fact that you have him as

1290
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:23,719
Speaker 6: a blocker, the fact you have one of the best

1291
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:25,200
Speaker 6: run after catch guys in the country.

1292
00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:26,840
Speaker 9: You're talking.

1293
00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:30,680
Speaker 3: The scheme fit well, And let me add another element

1294
00:54:30,719 --> 00:54:31,120
Speaker 3: into this.

1295
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:34,560
Speaker 2: I mean you talk about possession receivers at the tight

1296
00:54:34,640 --> 00:54:36,480
Speaker 2: end position and how important that is.

1297
00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:39,279
Speaker 3: Who's the better pass catcher in general? Who has the

1298
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:40,920
Speaker 3: better hands, Sanders or Bowers.

1299
00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:42,360
Speaker 9: I think they are right there together.

1300
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:46,440
Speaker 3: There's there's not some phenomenal grabs.

1301
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Speaker 5: Yeah, to me.

1302
00:54:47,239 --> 00:54:49,239
Speaker 6: The thing that the thing the biggest difference to me

1303
00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:53,080
Speaker 6: is Bowers run after catch is I think that's elite

1304
00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:53,640
Speaker 6: with him?

1305
00:54:53,719 --> 00:54:54,400
Speaker 5: It is, you know.

1306
00:54:54,560 --> 00:54:56,719
Speaker 6: But the thing about it is, I'm trying to think,

1307
00:54:56,760 --> 00:54:58,759
Speaker 6: do I is it more important me to have a

1308
00:54:58,840 --> 00:55:01,640
Speaker 6: more complete player, a guy that I think is elite

1309
00:55:01,719 --> 00:55:02,360
Speaker 6: after cats?

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Speaker 5: Yeah? Like that's why I leaned law to in the

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Speaker 5: verse conversation.

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Speaker 4: It's more important to me to have the pass rusher

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Speaker 4: that can impact the passing game than the all around

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Speaker 4: end in this conversation. In today's NFL, I think Sanders

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Speaker 4: is a three down player. I think you might be

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Speaker 4: sub and outbours in some run situations.

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Speaker 7: Well, I was about to say, I guess it depends

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Speaker 7: on what your room looks like, your tight end room

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Speaker 7: looks like, because I think we are starting to see

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Speaker 7: more teams have not a committee of tight ends, but

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Speaker 7: one typically can do something better than the other and

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Speaker 7: vice versa or whatever the case may be.

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Speaker 8: Now, if you got to that can block, well I'm jealous,

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Speaker 8: but uh, I mean, but are and are.

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Speaker 7: Still able to be receiving threats. But I do also

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Speaker 7: it extends to your play calling because when you can

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00:55:44,160 --> 00:55:46,440
Speaker 7: have guys act like they're blocking and then they can

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Speaker 7: slip with their actual threats, like real threats, they're not

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Speaker 7: just there for decoration.

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Speaker 8: I do think it puts a lot.

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00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:53,600
Speaker 7: Of pressure on defenses to have to get after it

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Speaker 7: and to deal with those guys that are able to

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Speaker 7: block effectively, and also to slip into slip into the

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Speaker 7: second level one and do some things.

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Speaker 6: Where Bowers has a chance is he has to block

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Speaker 6: on the move.

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Speaker 5: He's not gonna Sanders could play in line. Bowers doesn't

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Speaker 5: play in line. That's the problem right there.

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Speaker 6: If you want an in line and want to talk

1340
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Speaker 6: about in line next to the tackle, you know, he

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00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:18,680
Speaker 6: he's Sanders's he could do that.

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Speaker 5: Bowers to me, when you put him on the move

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00:56:22,120 --> 00:56:22,480
Speaker 5: on the.

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00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:25,400
Speaker 6: Edge, when he could run with somebody and play in

1345
00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:27,440
Speaker 6: space that way, I think that's where he's better.

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00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:29,319
Speaker 5: You know, he has to be on the move.

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00:56:29,360 --> 00:56:31,480
Speaker 6: I don't think he's gonna sit there and hammer anybody

1348
00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:32,880
Speaker 6: playing in line.

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00:56:33,040 --> 00:56:33,480
Speaker 5: So do you.

1350
00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:37,680
Speaker 7: Forfeit the dynamic playmaking ability for the block the lack

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00:56:37,680 --> 00:56:38,720
Speaker 7: of block that's hard.

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00:56:39,160 --> 00:56:40,560
Speaker 4: I just wanted to throw it out there, like I

1353
00:56:40,600 --> 00:56:43,799
Speaker 4: had Bowers. Everybody's gonna have him number one. I mean,

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00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:45,680
Speaker 4: in my stack, I'm gonna have Bowers and Sanders. I'm

1355
00:56:45,680 --> 00:56:47,719
Speaker 4: gonna have Bowers ahead of him. But I do think

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00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:49,640
Speaker 4: to Tavian Sanders is a little bit closer. And I

1357
00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:51,680
Speaker 4: think overall, when you look at just the best, most

1358
00:56:51,680 --> 00:56:53,520
Speaker 4: complete tight end of the draft, you can make a

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00:56:53,560 --> 00:56:54,120
Speaker 4: case he's that.

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Speaker 2: Could you see a chance or a scenario where Bowers

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00:56:57,800 --> 00:57:01,760
Speaker 2: falls out of the top ten and Sanders sneaks into

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00:57:02,080 --> 00:57:04,359
Speaker 2: the first round if that's the case, because if he's

1363
00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:07,440
Speaker 2: still stacked one two, but there are these questions on

1364
00:57:07,680 --> 00:57:10,000
Speaker 2: how he does perform as a blocker, how he does

1365
00:57:10,080 --> 00:57:14,560
Speaker 2: perform in line. Will you maybe see a hesitation from

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00:57:14,600 --> 00:57:16,360
Speaker 2: teams to take him in the top ten?

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00:57:16,640 --> 00:57:19,040
Speaker 3: And then if Jatavian Sanders.

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00:57:18,640 --> 00:57:21,800
Speaker 2: Is that complete prospect that he is, maybe instead of

1369
00:57:21,840 --> 00:57:23,760
Speaker 2: being in the fifties where Dane has him right now,

1370
00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:25,480
Speaker 2: he sneaks up inside the top thirty two.

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00:57:25,680 --> 00:57:27,280
Speaker 5: Or is just such an offensive weapon.

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00:57:27,560 --> 00:57:29,640
Speaker 4: I do think that a team's just gonna fall in

1373
00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:32,760
Speaker 4: love with him and say, hell, let's do this. But yeah,

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00:57:32,800 --> 00:57:34,600
Speaker 4: I don't see him falling out of the top fifteen.

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00:57:34,720 --> 00:57:37,040
Speaker 4: Ye I think you could get the three quarterbacks and

1376
00:57:37,080 --> 00:57:39,080
Speaker 4: a run on offensive tackles. So maybe he does slip

1377
00:57:39,120 --> 00:57:41,000
Speaker 4: out of the top ten, but I think Sanders could

1378
00:57:41,040 --> 00:57:41,880
Speaker 4: sneak himself.

1379
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Speaker 5: Into the back of the first round. Absolutely.

1380
00:57:43,160 --> 00:57:47,439
Speaker 6: My first line of my report was that loved Kyle

1381
00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:49,920
Speaker 6: Pitts from the twenty twenty one NFL Draft, and I

1382
00:57:49,960 --> 00:57:52,680
Speaker 6: feel like this guy's a similar player but slightly better.

1383
00:57:53,200 --> 00:57:54,200
Speaker 3: Oh you think he's better that.

1384
00:57:54,200 --> 00:57:55,840
Speaker 5: I think it's better than Kyle Pitts.

1385
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Speaker 9: How many times have you been able to look at

1386
00:57:59,160 --> 00:58:02,240
Speaker 9: a tight end prospers coming out into the draft and

1387
00:58:02,280 --> 00:58:04,240
Speaker 9: say that this guy is a threat pre snap, like

1388
00:58:04,280 --> 00:58:06,160
Speaker 9: you have to. You have to account for him the

1389
00:58:06,200 --> 00:58:07,560
Speaker 9: moment he steps between the lines.

1390
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Speaker 5: Kyle Pitts is that guy? Yeah, you can't.

1391
00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:12,000
Speaker 9: You probably can't say many on your two hands, and

1392
00:58:12,040 --> 00:58:13,520
Speaker 9: Brock Bowers is definitely one of those.

1393
00:58:13,600 --> 00:58:13,840
Speaker 5: He is.

1394
00:58:13,840 --> 00:58:15,640
Speaker 9: You see what Georgia did as far as getting him

1395
00:58:15,640 --> 00:58:17,920
Speaker 9: free releases and getting him going in the receiving game

1396
00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:20,440
Speaker 9: as the as his career went on. It's he's so

1397
00:58:20,600 --> 00:58:22,680
Speaker 9: dangerous as an offensive weapon. It's it's so tough to

1398
00:58:22,720 --> 00:58:24,480
Speaker 9: be sweeps.

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00:58:24,600 --> 00:58:25,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I mean that's rare.

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Speaker 14: Yeah.

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00:58:27,200 --> 00:58:29,960
Speaker 2: I think if I had to put it, even knowing

1402
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:32,200
Speaker 2: what happened in the NFL career, I think I liked

1403
00:58:32,280 --> 00:58:35,439
Speaker 2: Kyle Pitts better than I like Brock Bauers. But both

1404
00:58:35,480 --> 00:58:38,200
Speaker 2: are elite prospects in their own right, and they they

1405
00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:41,360
Speaker 2: they certainly of course haven't seen that from Kyle Pitts

1406
00:58:41,360 --> 00:58:44,240
Speaker 2: in Georgia. We saw it during brock Powers time at

1407
00:58:44,240 --> 00:58:46,200
Speaker 2: the University of Georgia, and.

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00:58:46,120 --> 00:58:49,400
Speaker 3: We'll see how it turns to the Well, I hate

1409
00:58:49,400 --> 00:58:50,240
Speaker 3: that Kyle Pitts.

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Speaker 8: It's just one of the downsides.

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00:58:51,680 --> 00:58:55,200
Speaker 7: Of of this, of this in general, is like I

1412
00:58:55,280 --> 00:58:59,040
Speaker 7: really have a huge gripe WISZ player development and things

1413
00:58:59,080 --> 00:59:00,760
Speaker 7: like that when this time stuff happens.

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00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:02,920
Speaker 8: But I'm just not gonna go today you.

1415
00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:04,680
Speaker 5: Got to coach the lost his job because of it.

1416
00:59:04,760 --> 00:59:07,280
Speaker 5: So you're not the only one that feels that way.

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00:59:07,680 --> 00:59:11,480
Speaker 2: There you go, Look, wo would you rather today? Sending

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Speaker 2: you into the long weekend with.

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Speaker 3: Uh with a little bit of draft point talk, what

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Speaker 3: uh We're done?

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00:59:17,880 --> 00:59:20,400
Speaker 8: I know that Monday.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Monday's off President's Day.

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Speaker 9: I will not be here.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not gonna be in the building. So okay,

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00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:28,480
Speaker 3: we'll see how guess we'll see you on Tuesday, though,

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Speaker 3: back here for the Draft show.

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Speaker 9: We're not missing one of these.

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Speaker 3: Though we are not.

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Speaker 2: We will be back on Tuesday, eleven am Central Time

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Speaker 2: to break it all down for you for Zach Walchuck, Nick, Harris,

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Speaker 2: Brian brought us I us Sham Morrison and Chris Beaming

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00:59:38,800 --> 00:59:41,120
Speaker 2: the backup Kyle Yeoman saying so long from the Star

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Speaker 2: and Frisco.

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Speaker 5: We'll see you next week.

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