1 00:00:03,720 --> 00:00:08,119 Speaker 1: What's up buddy? WFH today? 2 00:00:08,480 --> 00:00:10,479 Speaker 2: You know how it goes, zoom calls all day. 3 00:00:10,560 --> 00:00:13,240 Speaker 1: It's just kind of dragging me out. Who got white claws? 4 00:00:13,360 --> 00:00:15,440 Speaker 1: Ain't no laws when you're drinking claws. 5 00:00:15,520 --> 00:00:16,919 Speaker 3: I'm not like a career guy. 6 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:18,759 Speaker 4: Like I'm a friends guy. You know that, dude? 7 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:20,479 Speaker 1: I love this sweater? Is that Nords drum? I just 8 00:00:20,480 --> 00:00:23,079 Speaker 1: want to like collab with great minds and like make something. 9 00:00:23,239 --> 00:00:25,000 Speaker 4: Awesome like it canceled. 10 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:27,280 Speaker 1: I am perpetually single. 11 00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 5: Yo. 12 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:30,480 Speaker 1: If Josh posts another selfie, I'm gonna flip. 13 00:00:30,560 --> 00:00:35,000 Speaker 6: It's like bruh, just a gym looking first. 14 00:00:35,159 --> 00:00:38,320 Speaker 1: Whiskey, don't let me get into that. My I rescit 15 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:45,200 Speaker 1: will come out. 16 00:00:46,159 --> 00:00:51,200 Speaker 6: Good mornings, sweet world, and welcome to the Nodus Podcast 17 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:52,400 Speaker 6: on the Athletic Network. 18 00:00:52,440 --> 00:00:54,880 Speaker 1: It's Thursday, June seventeenth. 19 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:55,520 Speaker 4: I'm j E. 20 00:00:55,760 --> 00:00:57,840 Speaker 1: Skeets rolling with the homie tast mellis. 21 00:00:58,320 --> 00:00:59,320 Speaker 3: What's up, everybody? 22 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:00,920 Speaker 4: What's up to? Got the top shot? 23 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:06,000 Speaker 6: Hot boy Trey Kirby. Hey, Hey, the international Man of 24 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:12,440 Speaker 6: Mystery taking it to the max. 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We shared some wild NBA 38 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 6: rules and concepts we'd like to see implemented, and we 39 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:55,480 Speaker 6: talked about celebrity encounters and Australian pioneers like Buddy Franklin, Yes, 40 00:01:55,720 --> 00:01:58,360 Speaker 6: the Buddy Franklin, and a whole lot more. 41 00:01:58,360 --> 00:01:58,480 Speaker 3: So. 42 00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:00,360 Speaker 6: Go check out that Beach Step In podcas that we 43 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:02,680 Speaker 6: posted yesterday afternoon, and finally, go grab your No Dunks 44 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:06,880 Speaker 6: merch over at No dunks dot com. All right, we 45 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:09,760 Speaker 6: got the updown report on today's show. Some fun topics there, 46 00:02:09,760 --> 00:02:11,280 Speaker 6: but we got to start with the games. Had two 47 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:14,359 Speaker 6: on last night, two Game five's and the first one 48 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:20,320 Speaker 6: My goodness to Hawks, the comeback from twenty six points 49 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:24,919 Speaker 6: down to stun the seventy six Ers in Game five. 50 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:27,040 Speaker 1: Lely have that at what was your big takeaway? 51 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:29,360 Speaker 2: Well, they stunned me as well, I have to say, 52 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:32,480 Speaker 2: because what a complete disaster for Philadelphia and what a 53 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:36,040 Speaker 2: complete triumph here for the Hawks. The Sixers came out 54 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:38,080 Speaker 2: and sort of feeling like they had to make up 55 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 2: for what happened there in Game four. I felt they 56 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:42,480 Speaker 2: came out energized and refreshed. Hit their first six shots, 57 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:45,520 Speaker 2: opened up a seventeen point lead in that first quarter, 58 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 2: and it was trending towards a blowout. The Hawks just 59 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:49,960 Speaker 2: sort of looked like they couldn't get anything going. Joel 60 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:52,919 Speaker 2: and b looked fantastic himself, seventeen points, eight for eight 61 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:54,359 Speaker 2: shooting in that first quarter. 62 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:55,200 Speaker 1: The six is. 63 00:02:55,160 --> 00:02:58,799 Speaker 2: Getting buckets from Everybodyman with cork Mars was fantastic. I 64 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:01,720 Speaker 2: can never get his name right, you know. And it 65 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:04,040 Speaker 2: continued in the second quarter. Up twenty two at halftime. 66 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:06,120 Speaker 2: You mentioned the twenty six point lead in the third, 67 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:07,720 Speaker 2: there was still not twenty four. With two minutes to 68 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:09,680 Speaker 2: go in the third, jagoil and Beat hit a mid 69 00:03:09,760 --> 00:03:12,079 Speaker 2: ranger and he was almost sort of saying, like we 70 00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:14,360 Speaker 2: got this. He was strutting back down the court and 71 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:17,560 Speaker 2: he looked great. And then something happened sort of in 72 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:19,480 Speaker 2: that end of the third quarter and into the fourth, 73 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:21,840 Speaker 2: and I thought, a couple of amazing things. I'm going 74 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:23,280 Speaker 2: to hit on the points that I saw, and I'm 75 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:25,160 Speaker 2: sure you guys have got others as well, But I thought, 76 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:28,400 Speaker 2: start with Nate McMillan. Good coaching, because Lou Williams played 77 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:31,720 Speaker 2: almost that entire fourth quarter, had thirteen points, and he 78 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:34,160 Speaker 2: had the whole bag of tricks there. Mid Rangers float 79 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:37,520 Speaker 2: as a deep three Seth Curry, who was fantastic offensively 80 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:40,560 Speaker 2: for Philadelphia in this game, got absolutely ruined by Lou 81 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:43,320 Speaker 2: Williams in that fourth quarter. Defensively, Lou just ate his lunch. 82 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:45,760 Speaker 2: I thought he was great. Gallinari hit a huge three 83 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:47,640 Speaker 2: and then a fade away sort of as time ran 84 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:49,640 Speaker 2: out to seal it there For the Hawk, John Collins 85 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:52,280 Speaker 2: had another huge block, a huge three pointer like in 86 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:55,240 Speaker 2: Game four. But of course it was Trey Young in 87 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:57,960 Speaker 2: that fourth quarter who really delivered the killer blows I 88 00:03:57,960 --> 00:04:02,560 Speaker 2: thought for Atlanta. His last three makes. I went back 89 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:04,440 Speaker 2: and looked at these. These are not including the free throws, 90 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:09,520 Speaker 2: a drive, against Simmons, Tible and Joel Embiid three all 91 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:13,240 Speaker 2: defensive players, and Trey Young six foot one, one hundred 92 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:15,400 Speaker 2: and ten pound. Tray Young goes and gets the layoup. 93 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:16,880 Speaker 2: It was like Skeetzy out. 94 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:20,040 Speaker 1: There getting one. He had a step'd kill. 95 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:22,440 Speaker 2: He had a step sort of side step step back 96 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:25,599 Speaker 2: mid ranger where Joel Embiid was on Capella. Now I 97 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:27,800 Speaker 2: think Joel Embiid kind of got caught because he's, like 98 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:30,240 Speaker 2: Trey Young is a more than willing passer. They've got 99 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:32,240 Speaker 2: great chemistry there with Capella. So he sort of gets 100 00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:34,800 Speaker 2: caught whether to come out or to leave Coppella. He 101 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:37,360 Speaker 2: gets caught no man's land. Trey Young hits that, and 102 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:39,400 Speaker 2: then he has another floater in the paint where he 103 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:42,640 Speaker 2: just blows past Tible and gets inside there and throws 104 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:44,920 Speaker 2: this one up so high. I thought that one came 105 00:04:44,960 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 2: down with snow on it, because you know, Trey Young 106 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:49,240 Speaker 2: is so small and so tiny, and he knows when 107 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:51,320 Speaker 2: he's going into the paint he has to throw it 108 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:53,760 Speaker 2: high to get it over some great long arm defenders. 109 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:55,600 Speaker 2: And he did that and knocked it in, and then 110 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:57,600 Speaker 2: he went to the free throw line and hit five 111 00:04:57,640 --> 00:05:00,160 Speaker 2: straight and free throws are a huge talking point this 112 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:05,080 Speaker 2: game as well. Talking point the Hawks made theirs the Sixers, 113 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:07,440 Speaker 2: I mean, wherever you want to go, and Bear, who 114 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:09,400 Speaker 2: had hit twenty straight at one point, missus two at 115 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:12,080 Speaker 2: the end, and Ben Simmons his struggles there continued. But 116 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:14,840 Speaker 2: I think Doc Rivers needs to take a lot of 117 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:17,279 Speaker 2: blame here for Philadelphia. He seemed to run out of ideas. 118 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:19,640 Speaker 2: The Sixers leaders ran out of ideas. But I thought 119 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:23,760 Speaker 2: Nate McMillan again basically like Steve nash Knight before, was like, 120 00:05:23,960 --> 00:05:25,560 Speaker 2: I don't know what our game plan is, but it's 121 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:27,320 Speaker 2: out the window. Lou Williams's cook, and I'm going to 122 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:29,120 Speaker 2: leave him in there. He often doesn't play Lou and 123 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:31,760 Speaker 2: Tray together because they kind of cancel each other out 124 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:32,280 Speaker 2: a little bit. 125 00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:35,679 Speaker 1: Because we should be scoring on like stop exactly. 126 00:05:36,480 --> 00:05:39,159 Speaker 2: But they needed buckets and they were getting him out there. 127 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:41,800 Speaker 2: So I just thought this was one of the most 128 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:45,159 Speaker 2: improbable comebacks to get the game. And Trey Young he 129 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:47,880 Speaker 2: went for the home run to really drive the victory 130 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:49,760 Speaker 2: home with that three point a miss that didn't cost 131 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:51,560 Speaker 2: him in the end. They were up by three at 132 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:53,800 Speaker 2: anyway at that point, but I just thought he has 133 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:57,680 Speaker 2: been continually fantastic for a rookie in these playoffs as 134 00:05:57,680 --> 00:06:01,440 Speaker 2: far as his playoff experience, fantastic stuff. But what an 135 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:04,160 Speaker 2: incredible comeback. And now what happens in Game six? I mean, 136 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:06,880 Speaker 2: do the Sixers have another fight in them or do 137 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:08,640 Speaker 2: they let go of the rope a little bit? Because 138 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:12,480 Speaker 2: that's two demoralizing losses in a row for Philadelphia, too 139 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:17,360 Speaker 2: inspiring victories for the Atlanta Hawks, and just an incredible 140 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:20,280 Speaker 2: game last night. I don't know, will you guys. 141 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:20,560 Speaker 1: Take it from him? 142 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:21,960 Speaker 5: I don't know what else is No, Well, death by 143 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:25,640 Speaker 5: chocolate is an incredible cake, but death by floater is 144 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:28,080 Speaker 5: not the way to go if you're the seventy six Ers. 145 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:29,640 Speaker 4: It was giant killers left and right. 146 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:32,160 Speaker 5: It was basically like Lou Williams saying, Hey, look the 147 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:35,040 Speaker 5: floater is going to be open, Trey Young, go for it. 148 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:37,600 Speaker 5: And yeah, I mean Lou really changed the game. You 149 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:39,000 Speaker 5: said he was eating their lunch. He was eating their 150 00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:41,640 Speaker 5: wings out there. Lee and Lou and Trey both went 151 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:45,080 Speaker 5: for thirteen points in the fourth quarter. We said going 152 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:48,960 Speaker 5: into the series, small guards have given the Sixers problems 153 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:51,200 Speaker 5: in the past. That was not the case when they 154 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:54,760 Speaker 5: switched Ben Simmons onto Trey Young early, Tyble obviously was 155 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:56,840 Speaker 5: able to speed him up a little bit. But with 156 00:06:56,920 --> 00:06:59,360 Speaker 5: Lou Williams figuring it out and with Trey Young figuring 157 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:02,200 Speaker 5: it out, they've in control. And they were certainly in 158 00:07:02,279 --> 00:07:05,080 Speaker 5: control last night. And you know, if you're getting out 159 00:07:05,080 --> 00:07:07,360 Speaker 5: scored by those two guys, you should probably have somebody 160 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:10,200 Speaker 5: else make a basket besides Joel Embiid and Seth Curry 161 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:11,080 Speaker 5: there in the second half. 162 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:12,360 Speaker 4: Ridiculous, ridiculous. 163 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:15,240 Speaker 6: It's sort of the impossible question here, Tasks, but I'm 164 00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:18,400 Speaker 6: gonna ask it to you anyway. What happened more in 165 00:07:18,440 --> 00:07:21,920 Speaker 6: this game? The Sixers incredible comeback or sorry, the Hawk's 166 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:25,920 Speaker 6: incredible comeback or the Sixers complete collapse in the second half. 167 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:27,640 Speaker 1: If you had to go one or the other. 168 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:30,880 Speaker 7: It's definitely the Sixers, you know, talking about Lou Williams 169 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:33,520 Speaker 7: and all that, sure, but there's still up ten points 170 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:35,840 Speaker 7: with four plus minutes left in this game, and to 171 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:40,480 Speaker 7: implode and give up a double digit lead, you have 172 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:42,920 Speaker 7: to implode on both ends. They couldn't even figure it 173 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:46,320 Speaker 7: out on one end. So yeah, the guys who are 174 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:49,280 Speaker 7: supporting Joel Embid on the offense, will start. There have 175 00:07:49,400 --> 00:07:52,720 Speaker 7: to score a basket. Tobias Harris and Ben Simmons, they 176 00:07:52,760 --> 00:07:54,480 Speaker 7: have to score a basket. In the second half, they 177 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:56,720 Speaker 7: didn't score one. It was kind of like watching the 178 00:07:56,760 --> 00:07:58,760 Speaker 7: nets the other day and Kevin Durant and Jeff Green 179 00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:02,640 Speaker 7: holding four doing everything they could, nobody else supporting them. 180 00:08:02,760 --> 00:08:05,120 Speaker 7: But Kevin Durant was good enough to finish the job. 181 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:07,600 Speaker 7: Joel Embiid was good enough to get the Sixers to 182 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:10,320 Speaker 7: the fourth quarter, but he couldn't finish the job. And yeah, 183 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:13,520 Speaker 7: up ten four minutes left. Doc Rivers went to Tobias Harris, 184 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:16,480 Speaker 7: came out of a timeout for him with a play. 185 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:19,800 Speaker 7: He turned it over on a terrible pass, then a 186 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:23,360 Speaker 7: minute later he got blocked. And Ben Simmons, Yes, we 187 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:25,440 Speaker 7: can talk about him being a good enough player without 188 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:27,120 Speaker 7: a jump shot, but when you have a guy with 189 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:29,760 Speaker 7: you playing beside you, and Tobias Harris who couldn't score 190 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:34,160 Speaker 7: a basket, that's not a recipe for success obviously, especially 191 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:37,520 Speaker 7: combined with Joel Embiid who was gassed, and they had 192 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:39,800 Speaker 7: to implode on the defensive end as well. That leads 193 00:08:39,800 --> 00:08:41,600 Speaker 7: me to the defensive end. Yeah, Trey Young Blue by 194 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:44,080 Speaker 7: Matisse Stible once in the last four minutes. He blew 195 00:08:44,120 --> 00:08:46,160 Speaker 7: by Ben Simmons once in the last four minutes. He 196 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:49,640 Speaker 7: had Joel Embiid at the rim. It was just those two, really, 197 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:53,480 Speaker 7: and Joel Embiid decided not to jump twice. I suppose 198 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:56,320 Speaker 7: he was gassed. He's an all defensive player. He just 199 00:08:56,760 --> 00:08:59,960 Speaker 7: didn't jump both times, and so I think that's what happened. 200 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:02,080 Speaker 7: He carried the team until the end of the game, 201 00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:05,360 Speaker 7: but yeah, the defensive player just didn't get up for 202 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:09,000 Speaker 7: a shot. So up ten, four and a half minutes left, 203 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:10,839 Speaker 7: Tobias Harris doesn't have a bucket in the second half. 204 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:13,959 Speaker 7: Simmons doesn't have a bucket in the second half. They 205 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:15,880 Speaker 7: tried to go to them. Doctor was try to go 206 00:09:15,880 --> 00:09:19,360 Speaker 7: to them. They just simply didn't succeed. And then Joel 207 00:09:19,360 --> 00:09:22,360 Speaker 7: Embiid couldn't even muster up the energy to stop a shot, 208 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:26,240 Speaker 7: and mattist Stibel fouled Trey Young on a three point attempt. 209 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:29,200 Speaker 7: So it really was every single possession. 210 00:09:28,760 --> 00:09:30,040 Speaker 3: Went wrong down the stretch. 211 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:33,800 Speaker 7: So, yeah, the Hawks did everything right from their instance, 212 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:36,400 Speaker 7: from their perspective, but if you're up ten with four 213 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:38,880 Speaker 7: minutes left, you just have to work your ass off 214 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 7: on the defensive end and you'll probably win this game. 215 00:09:41,400 --> 00:09:43,800 Speaker 7: But they couldn't do that. They simply couldn't do that 216 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:47,840 Speaker 7: at the end. It was a huge, huge implosion all 217 00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:50,960 Speaker 7: the way down to the final buzzer where they couldn't 218 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:55,000 Speaker 7: get anything to work for them on either end. 219 00:09:55,720 --> 00:09:59,280 Speaker 6: If you are ranking them lee in terms of who 220 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:02,640 Speaker 6: deserves the blame for that meltdown, for that collapse, and 221 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:04,360 Speaker 6: I just give you there's a lot of guys you 222 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:06,120 Speaker 6: could go and point fingers out, but you said the 223 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:08,880 Speaker 6: coach in Dark Rivers, some of his lineups were perplexing 224 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:11,760 Speaker 6: to say the least. And then you got to see 225 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:14,840 Speaker 6: Tobias Harris, who's you know, paid like a superstar and 226 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:17,120 Speaker 6: did nothing in the second half two for eleven in 227 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:20,480 Speaker 6: the game, four total points. And then Ben Simmons with 228 00:10:20,520 --> 00:10:21,920 Speaker 6: what was going on at the free throw line it 229 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:24,040 Speaker 6: continues to happen at the free throw line and him 230 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:26,320 Speaker 6: not scoring in the second half, and like, how do 231 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:28,280 Speaker 6: you rank that or are they all tied for first 232 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:29,640 Speaker 6: in taking blame in this game? 233 00:10:29,640 --> 00:10:30,240 Speaker 1: Five lots. 234 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:33,200 Speaker 2: Look, I think Ben simmons free throw struggles came back 235 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:35,760 Speaker 2: to haunt him and the team. I really do, because 236 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:38,000 Speaker 2: Nate mic millen, look, it's ugly. No one likes watching 237 00:10:38,040 --> 00:10:41,080 Speaker 2: hacker strategy, no way, It's boring, and it really slows 238 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:43,360 Speaker 2: the game down. And it felt almost like a bit 239 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:45,720 Speaker 2: of a sort of like cheap strategy from Nate last night. 240 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:48,080 Speaker 2: It's like, come on, man, like just try to get 241 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:51,360 Speaker 2: back into the game. But it worked, It really did work. 242 00:10:51,640 --> 00:10:53,840 Speaker 2: Ben Simmons did not want to be at the free 243 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:56,160 Speaker 2: throw line last night. I had text messages from dudes 244 00:10:56,160 --> 00:10:59,400 Speaker 2: in Australia going, man, what is going on with Ben Simmons? 245 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:03,040 Speaker 2: Like I'm like, it's crazy, because you know, at this 246 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:05,320 Speaker 2: point of his career you should start to see at 247 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:07,880 Speaker 2: least some improvement. I know some guys like Russell Westbrook, 248 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:10,160 Speaker 2: andre Igadala they kind of have gone back down a 249 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:13,199 Speaker 2: little bit, but Simmons hasn't had that improvement at all. 250 00:11:13,559 --> 00:11:17,040 Speaker 2: And it's a huge weakness that is being exposed. And 251 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:19,120 Speaker 2: Nate McMillan's like, you know what if this is what 252 00:11:19,160 --> 00:11:21,040 Speaker 2: it does to just not only put him at the 253 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:23,559 Speaker 2: free throw line and miss them, but just disrupt whatever 254 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:26,840 Speaker 2: offense they had going as well, yeah, you know it works. 255 00:11:26,920 --> 00:11:29,720 Speaker 2: And so now going into Game six and for however 256 00:11:29,760 --> 00:11:31,480 Speaker 2: long the Sixers are in the playoffs and maybe they 257 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:33,520 Speaker 2: get out of this series, other teams are going to 258 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:36,480 Speaker 2: be like, let's just keep on going because Simmons can't 259 00:11:36,800 --> 00:11:39,640 Speaker 2: prove teams wrong for doing that. You know. Of course 260 00:11:39,679 --> 00:11:41,520 Speaker 2: he hits the odd one here and there, but he 261 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:43,400 Speaker 2: doesn't go to the point where it's like, we can't 262 00:11:43,400 --> 00:11:45,520 Speaker 2: get him out of this. They can't stop doing this 263 00:11:45,559 --> 00:11:47,199 Speaker 2: to me because I'm going to make them pay for it. 264 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:50,120 Speaker 2: Until he learns to make teams pay, that is going 265 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:52,640 Speaker 2: to be exposed like that. And you know, Docriver says 266 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:54,959 Speaker 2: all the right things, you know, Ah, well, I trust him, 267 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:56,480 Speaker 2: he's my start, you know, but he put him on 268 00:11:56,480 --> 00:12:01,480 Speaker 2: the bench in Game four, and this is what's gonna 269 00:12:01,520 --> 00:12:03,040 Speaker 2: have to happen. I think in game six as well. 270 00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:05,320 Speaker 2: It's like, if he can't trust him to get fout 271 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:08,280 Speaker 2: and go to the free throw line, Simmons, your all 272 00:12:08,400 --> 00:12:11,559 Speaker 2: NBA caliber player, all defensive player, may have to be 273 00:12:11,679 --> 00:12:13,160 Speaker 2: on the bench, and that's just not a good look. 274 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:17,280 Speaker 2: So I think, honestly, that is whoever you want to 275 00:12:17,280 --> 00:12:20,120 Speaker 2: appoint the blame too. If one of your superstars is 276 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:22,400 Speaker 2: being exposed because he can't have free throws. I think 277 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:25,000 Speaker 2: that's a huge, huge problem for Philadelphia going forward. 278 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:26,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, just me the. 279 00:12:26,080 --> 00:12:29,080 Speaker 5: Blame rock here a league, because I'll throw Tobias Harris. 280 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:33,199 Speaker 5: Tobias Harris, what was he two for eleven last night? Yeah, 281 00:12:33,240 --> 00:12:36,640 Speaker 5: I mean obviously Ben Simmons being more aggressive would help 282 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:39,640 Speaker 5: him looking to be a scorer, would put some pressure 283 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:42,520 Speaker 5: on Trey Young, would be you know, just getting some 284 00:12:42,559 --> 00:12:44,760 Speaker 5: baskets inside. It would be nice if Joel Andbi didn't 285 00:12:44,800 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 5: have to completely carry the team in the first half 286 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:49,839 Speaker 5: so that he's not gassed in the fourth quarter. But 287 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:51,679 Speaker 5: that to me is a little bit where Tobias Harris 288 00:12:51,760 --> 00:12:53,920 Speaker 5: has to come in. He should be the guy who 289 00:12:53,960 --> 00:12:56,040 Speaker 5: has a little bit of an advantageous match up here. 290 00:12:56,120 --> 00:12:58,840 Speaker 5: John Collins, I think has done an incredible job. He 291 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:01,280 Speaker 5: did the same thing with Julie Randall in the first round. 292 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:03,640 Speaker 5: He just denies the ball out there, Like that's the 293 00:13:03,679 --> 00:13:05,959 Speaker 5: big key for John Collins playing defense right now is 294 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:08,640 Speaker 5: making it hard for Randall or in this series, Harris 295 00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:11,680 Speaker 5: to get the ball and then the actions just aren't there, 296 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:14,360 Speaker 5: Like they blow up the first action John Collins does, 297 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:17,240 Speaker 5: and Harris is just happy to wait for maybe a 298 00:13:17,320 --> 00:13:20,440 Speaker 5: kickout for Joel embiid but basically nothing Doc's getting in 299 00:13:20,520 --> 00:13:23,160 Speaker 5: no touches. We had said a few times this season, 300 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:26,160 Speaker 5: nobody gets more from Tobias Harris than Doc Rivers does. 301 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:28,280 Speaker 5: It would be nice to see something from your twenty 302 00:13:28,280 --> 00:13:31,480 Speaker 5: point per game score. Just take a shot, like, just 303 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:35,040 Speaker 5: look to get going offensively, because that should be an 304 00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:38,440 Speaker 5: advantage for the Hawks. Tobias Harris is usually a solid scorer, 305 00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:40,920 Speaker 5: but he is just drifting in those games out there, 306 00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:43,920 Speaker 5: and somebody has to do something besides Embid. Somebody has 307 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:46,360 Speaker 5: to do something besides Seth Curry. Like Seth Curry is 308 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:48,360 Speaker 5: a really good player. He's had some nice games in 309 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:51,360 Speaker 5: this playoffs, but he should not be your number one perimeter. 310 00:13:51,080 --> 00:13:52,080 Speaker 1: Off right right? 311 00:13:52,280 --> 00:13:52,439 Speaker 3: Oh? 312 00:13:52,520 --> 00:13:56,840 Speaker 6: I know, Yeah, rough game for the Ben Simmons apologis 313 00:13:57,840 --> 00:14:00,280 Speaker 6: and I guess Tobias Harris appos just to had a 314 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:03,000 Speaker 6: great season, great regular season, but yeah, nowhere to be 315 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:05,280 Speaker 6: seen in this one task. If you had to pick 316 00:14:05,320 --> 00:14:08,360 Speaker 6: between those two, who does deserve more blame for this loss? 317 00:14:08,440 --> 00:14:10,200 Speaker 6: Is it is it Simmons the All Star? Is it 318 00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:12,520 Speaker 6: Tobias Harris who gets paid like one? And is your 319 00:14:12,559 --> 00:14:15,120 Speaker 6: score I mean should be your sort of second secondary score? 320 00:14:16,280 --> 00:14:18,320 Speaker 7: Well, you know Simmons did his part at the free 321 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:21,400 Speaker 7: throw line when they first intentionally failed. He banged home 322 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:23,560 Speaker 7: both free throws four to twenty three left. It's a 323 00:14:23,680 --> 00:14:26,920 Speaker 7: tending crazy when he made them. Yeah, the second one. 324 00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:30,280 Speaker 7: They were very very surprised that he banged home that 325 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:31,720 Speaker 7: second one, so they went nuts. 326 00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:32,040 Speaker 3: Yeah. 327 00:14:32,040 --> 00:14:35,520 Speaker 7: And then at the other end, you know, Joel Embiid gassed, 328 00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:36,560 Speaker 7: so Trey goes right. 329 00:14:36,480 --> 00:14:37,200 Speaker 3: By him and scores. 330 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:39,640 Speaker 7: Then they go back the other way and Joel Embiid gassed, 331 00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:42,520 Speaker 7: so he chucks up a three pointer, it doesn't go in, 332 00:14:43,360 --> 00:14:47,360 Speaker 7: and and and you know, at that point, Date McMillan said, 333 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:49,360 Speaker 7: you know what, Ben Simmons banging at him home, so 334 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:51,320 Speaker 7: we're not going to fall. And then Joel Embiid bailed 335 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:54,560 Speaker 7: him out. And then the Sixers come back. They decide 336 00:14:55,520 --> 00:14:58,720 Speaker 7: the Hawks, dude, yeah, I know what, we probably got 337 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:00,400 Speaker 7: to try this again. I Ben's going to bang them 338 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:02,200 Speaker 7: both home, so he misses them and then he goes 339 00:15:02,240 --> 00:15:04,720 Speaker 7: two for four. And then you know, Doc tried to 340 00:15:04,760 --> 00:15:06,920 Speaker 7: get Tobias Harris going after that. He gave him the 341 00:15:06,920 --> 00:15:09,600 Speaker 7: ball three point fifteen left out of a timeout. Out 342 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:12,560 Speaker 7: of a timeout, you expect something good to happen. But 343 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:17,040 Speaker 7: Tobias Harris, Yeah, literally, he just I don't know, it 344 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:18,680 Speaker 7: was like a deer in the headlights. He just forced 345 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:22,120 Speaker 7: a bad pass to Joel Embiid. It was a terrible 346 00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:25,800 Speaker 7: turnover in a very very key moment, and so the 347 00:15:25,840 --> 00:15:29,800 Speaker 7: Hawks gain momentum there and then later on another one, 348 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:32,280 Speaker 7: Tobias Harris just in the lane. I got to chuck 349 00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:34,680 Speaker 7: it up with my left hand, got the snot blocked 350 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:37,720 Speaker 7: out of it. So Tobiasrous just didn't look like anywhere 351 00:15:37,720 --> 00:15:41,360 Speaker 7: near you know, the perimeter threat that he should have been. 352 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:45,680 Speaker 7: And yeah, combined with Ben Simmons not being that, Yes, 353 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:48,160 Speaker 7: it really was Jeff Green and Kevin Durant out there 354 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:51,000 Speaker 7: when Seth Curry and Joel Embiid the only guys to 355 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:53,920 Speaker 7: score a basket in the second half. You know, Ben 356 00:15:53,920 --> 00:15:56,080 Speaker 7: Simmons can be fine if he has a guy beside 357 00:15:56,120 --> 00:15:58,840 Speaker 7: him who can score enough. I mean, that's what it 358 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:00,680 Speaker 7: came down to him. Matist Tip looked like he was 359 00:16:00,680 --> 00:16:02,920 Speaker 7: sort of a deer in the headlights as well out 360 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:05,240 Speaker 7: there when he touched the ball and when he was 361 00:16:05,280 --> 00:16:09,280 Speaker 7: on the defensive end, even to really really really screw 362 00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:12,720 Speaker 7: up there, you know, jumping into Trey Young on the 363 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:16,560 Speaker 7: same day when the committee, the rules committee is looking 364 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:21,200 Speaker 7: at trying to change those those jump attempts into guys. 365 00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:24,360 Speaker 7: They're talking about that for next season. Trey Young got 366 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:26,760 Speaker 7: a huge foul there on matistible. 367 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:28,360 Speaker 3: So it's just, really, what. 368 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:31,280 Speaker 6: Did you think I mean that that's you know, I 369 00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:33,200 Speaker 6: assume you don't think that should be called a foul? 370 00:16:33,400 --> 00:16:33,600 Speaker 4: Did? 371 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:36,040 Speaker 6: I mean, Trey does the thing where he jumps completely 372 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:38,320 Speaker 6: into him and was trying to say I was here, 373 00:16:38,680 --> 00:16:40,120 Speaker 6: but I was I was standing here. 374 00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:41,720 Speaker 1: I didn't go at him. He came at me. But 375 00:16:41,800 --> 00:16:42,840 Speaker 1: what do you think about that call? 376 00:16:43,520 --> 00:16:44,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's uh. 377 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:46,440 Speaker 7: I think they got to change it for next season. 378 00:16:46,760 --> 00:16:48,720 Speaker 7: A party to the rules this year, it's a foul. 379 00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:51,080 Speaker 7: I mean, we've seen it a billion times, but it's 380 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:51,840 Speaker 7: a terrible foul. 381 00:16:52,280 --> 00:16:52,400 Speaker 3: Uh. 382 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:54,760 Speaker 7: And yeah, you know you got to put blame on 383 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:58,080 Speaker 7: Doc Rivers too, just for for everybody to sort of 384 00:16:58,080 --> 00:17:01,600 Speaker 7: look the same way, to not be ready to finish 385 00:17:01,680 --> 00:17:07,680 Speaker 7: the game ten, to not execute a freaking offensive play 386 00:17:07,680 --> 00:17:09,760 Speaker 7: at the end of the game, to not have somebody 387 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:15,240 Speaker 7: else score, that's it's just horrendous. And you know they 388 00:17:15,320 --> 00:17:18,560 Speaker 7: yanked Ben Simmons after he missed those two free throws 389 00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:21,240 Speaker 7: to try and get him a couple of possessions off 390 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:24,000 Speaker 7: and try and get you know, some spacing out there 391 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:26,920 Speaker 7: for Joel Embiid and Tobias Harris. But obviously that didn't 392 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:31,200 Speaker 7: work either. Just not you know, instilling confidence in number one, 393 00:17:31,240 --> 00:17:34,720 Speaker 7: in him or in your team. I mean, Ben to 394 00:17:34,800 --> 00:17:37,879 Speaker 7: go two of four on the hack attempts, can you 395 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:39,880 Speaker 7: expect that much more from Ben Simmons? I don't think 396 00:17:39,920 --> 00:17:42,679 Speaker 7: so really. I mean three or four I guess, but 397 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:44,000 Speaker 7: that's not bad. 398 00:17:44,320 --> 00:17:46,480 Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, but four or fourteen is not good. 399 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:48,680 Speaker 6: I mean, he misses ten free throws in a game 400 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:50,159 Speaker 6: they lost by three, and I know they had a 401 00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:52,360 Speaker 6: massive lead, but he was garbage. I mean, he's as 402 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:54,800 Speaker 6: embarrassing performance from him, especially after what you saw in 403 00:17:54,840 --> 00:17:57,480 Speaker 6: Game three when we were there and they're like Ben 404 00:17:57,520 --> 00:17:59,480 Speaker 6: Simmons took over that game. There was a portion of 405 00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:02,800 Speaker 6: that Game three in Atlanta where he just completely took 406 00:18:02,840 --> 00:18:06,240 Speaker 6: over aggressive Ben, setting guys up, attacking, not all that 407 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:08,679 Speaker 6: afraid of, like still going to the line and all that. 408 00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:09,480 Speaker 1: Now, I think Nate. 409 00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:11,359 Speaker 6: McMillan should have hacked him in that game too, but 410 00:18:11,440 --> 00:18:14,119 Speaker 6: he didn't. Whatever, and then now in Game four and 411 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:17,640 Speaker 6: five here, Trey, It's it's like it's crazy. And what 412 00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:20,320 Speaker 6: you see with this like roster makeup too. When Ben 413 00:18:20,359 --> 00:18:22,359 Speaker 6: Simmons is your point guard or is he's your like 414 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:26,120 Speaker 6: perimeter guy, that's an issue because he brings the ball 415 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:29,880 Speaker 6: up quickly because he's athletic, and then if he can't 416 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:34,040 Speaker 6: attack right away, he just goes, okay, well you take it. 417 00:18:34,080 --> 00:18:36,000 Speaker 1: And then Ben Simmons is complete out of the play. 418 00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:38,760 Speaker 6: He's like just never heard from again in that possession, 419 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:40,320 Speaker 6: and then you know it's going to try and get 420 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:42,400 Speaker 6: its way to embid. So teams are like, of course, 421 00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:43,720 Speaker 6: as the game goes on and get a little more 422 00:18:43,760 --> 00:18:46,280 Speaker 6: comfortable with that, we know where it's going. It's just 423 00:18:46,320 --> 00:18:48,960 Speaker 6: becomes so predictable, and he hurts them in this case. 424 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:51,880 Speaker 6: And then on top of that, the obviously like piss 425 00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:54,320 Speaker 6: poor free throw shooting where he's in his head, he's 426 00:18:54,320 --> 00:18:56,520 Speaker 6: completely shook. He shouldn't be this bad. Four to ten 427 00:18:56,600 --> 00:18:59,520 Speaker 6: is garbage. I thought all Australians could shoot Lee. That 428 00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:01,760 Speaker 6: was the one thing I thought all Australian basketball players 429 00:19:01,800 --> 00:19:04,000 Speaker 6: could do. They were lights out shooter, especially at the 430 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:06,399 Speaker 6: free throw line. And it's just weird, so like you know, 431 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:09,440 Speaker 6: you see here where like man, of course you could 432 00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:11,560 Speaker 6: use like a lowry in this situation, a point guard 433 00:19:11,560 --> 00:19:13,080 Speaker 6: that just like can actually. 434 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:14,120 Speaker 1: Shoot any sort of guard. 435 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:16,760 Speaker 6: But when Seth Curry is the best premier player, like 436 00:19:16,760 --> 00:19:18,959 Speaker 6: you said, TK, that's that's a recipe for disaster. When 437 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:21,359 Speaker 6: you got two other guys that make a combined three 438 00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:23,280 Speaker 6: hundred and sixty million dollars. 439 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:28,520 Speaker 5: Yeah, that's bad news. Bear's skeez embarrassing stuff. And afterwards 440 00:19:28,520 --> 00:19:31,200 Speaker 5: Ben Simmons even meant admitted it's mental. 441 00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:32,440 Speaker 4: For me, it's a line. 442 00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:34,560 Speaker 5: Which I mean when you're saying that what's going to 443 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:36,280 Speaker 5: be the makeover in the next two days is he's 444 00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:37,480 Speaker 5: suddenly going to get super. 445 00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:38,800 Speaker 4: Confident the line, I don't know. 446 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:42,119 Speaker 5: You never want to hear about a guy having to 447 00:19:42,160 --> 00:19:46,280 Speaker 5: switch hands shooting during the playoffs, am I right? But 448 00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:48,240 Speaker 5: that's why to me it's a little bit more on 449 00:19:48,320 --> 00:19:51,320 Speaker 5: Tobias Harris, because at this point the Sixers should not 450 00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:53,480 Speaker 5: expect scoring from Ben Simmons. If he gets a bucket 451 00:19:53,520 --> 00:19:56,600 Speaker 5: in the half court or in transition, that's amazing. He's 452 00:19:56,600 --> 00:19:58,960 Speaker 5: going to give you something defensively. Obviously, last night it 453 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:02,360 Speaker 5: wasn't happening because Trey was unstoppable. But the defense will 454 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:05,439 Speaker 5: be there, the passing will theoretically be there. Maybe you're 455 00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:08,800 Speaker 5: scoring in transition, but Doc Rivers runs out these all 456 00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:11,520 Speaker 5: bench units and Tobias Harris is the one scorer out 457 00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:14,120 Speaker 5: there and the team goes scoreless. Like that's the guy 458 00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:16,679 Speaker 5: who's one job on your team is to get a 459 00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:19,280 Speaker 5: bucket and you can barely even get him an open look. 460 00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:20,840 Speaker 4: It's just I don't know. 461 00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:22,760 Speaker 5: I mean a lot of that is on Simmons as well, 462 00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:25,240 Speaker 5: like putting pressure on the defense and then maybe getting 463 00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:27,600 Speaker 5: a kickout for a wide open Harris three or something 464 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:30,320 Speaker 5: like that. But one of the two has to do 465 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:32,800 Speaker 5: something to score in the half court, you know, and 466 00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:35,119 Speaker 5: it's most likely not going to be Simmons. If he 467 00:20:35,119 --> 00:20:37,800 Speaker 5: can find a way to contribute in Game six, then 468 00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:40,440 Speaker 5: the Sixers are going to have a chance. But they 469 00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:44,000 Speaker 5: need something besides Embiid because, as we're seeing, the load 470 00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:45,680 Speaker 5: is just a little bit too big for him right now. 471 00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:47,919 Speaker 5: He's not able to carry a team for forty eight minutes. 472 00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:50,199 Speaker 5: Forty minutes no problem, but the last eight have been 473 00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:51,080 Speaker 5: a problem so far. 474 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:54,080 Speaker 6: Yeah, there are two things that I don't want to like. 475 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:58,920 Speaker 6: Hear or see ever again. Moving forward one the Tray 476 00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:01,360 Speaker 6: Luca trade between the MAVs and the Hawks. We can 477 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:03,080 Speaker 6: just leave that as it is. They're both going to 478 00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:06,359 Speaker 6: be unbelievable players. They're proving it. Luca hell, he could 479 00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:09,040 Speaker 6: be who knows, two three time MVP in this league. 480 00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:12,720 Speaker 6: Trey Young, though, is goddamn incredible, Like eighteen assists in 481 00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:15,040 Speaker 6: game four the thirty nine? Is that what he finished 482 00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:17,760 Speaker 6: with last night? And then like the takeover as you 483 00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:20,359 Speaker 6: took us through their lead late, like he's a special 484 00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:23,679 Speaker 6: player and awesome. They're both happy with their guys and 485 00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:25,760 Speaker 6: look where they are already at this stage of their career. 486 00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:27,199 Speaker 1: So I'm done with that. We don't need to, like 487 00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:28,840 Speaker 1: always bring it up. I'm sure it will, but we 488 00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:29,399 Speaker 1: don't need to. 489 00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:32,199 Speaker 6: The Other thing is, don't you dare fucking send me 490 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:36,240 Speaker 6: a video this summer of Ben Simmons hitting threes or 491 00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:39,520 Speaker 6: hitting jumpers or hitting free throws in an empty gym 492 00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:42,360 Speaker 6: or some dumb rec league pickup game. I don't want 493 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:44,840 Speaker 6: to see it. I don't care. He can't shoot in 494 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:45,600 Speaker 6: an NBA game. 495 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:48,800 Speaker 1: He doesn't want to at the line or from the perimeter, 496 00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:49,440 Speaker 1: of course, So. 497 00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:51,119 Speaker 6: Just don't we don't need to see that, and we 498 00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:53,000 Speaker 6: don't need to get excited about it on Twitter because 499 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:54,800 Speaker 6: you know it's going to be coming at some point lately. 500 00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:57,760 Speaker 6: So don't retweet it, please, Okay, because it doesn't matter 501 00:21:58,040 --> 00:21:59,960 Speaker 6: at all until he does it in a game. 502 00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:02,720 Speaker 2: I don't think he's playing for Australia at the Olympics, 503 00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:05,480 Speaker 2: so he's got plenty of time to put that video together. 504 00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:08,400 Speaker 2: One of his trainers can meticulously edit it and show 505 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:10,359 Speaker 2: you and going like ninety for one hundred from the 506 00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:14,520 Speaker 2: free throw line. But honestly, it's a significant problem that 507 00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:16,560 Speaker 2: he has to improve on. He doesn't have to be 508 00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:18,000 Speaker 2: Steph Curry at the line, he doesn't have to be 509 00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:20,280 Speaker 2: ninety percent, but he has to be able to go 510 00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:23,120 Speaker 2: to the free throw line with confidence that teams can't 511 00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:26,280 Speaker 2: just go, let's hack a superstar player here because it's 512 00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:29,120 Speaker 2: just it's bad and it is costing his team. 513 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:30,720 Speaker 1: And I think crazy that. 514 00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:34,400 Speaker 6: I heard this on the Right Striky Sanchez podcast today. 515 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:36,879 Speaker 6: By the way, go check that out au with Spike. 516 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:39,360 Speaker 6: I mean talking about this loss from the Sixers perspective, 517 00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:40,440 Speaker 6: it's amazing. 518 00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:42,960 Speaker 1: But this is your point guard in Ben Simmon, Like 519 00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:45,440 Speaker 1: it's one thing if it's your center that's like struggling 520 00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:49,120 Speaker 1: fifty five percent, It's like, that's okay, you can probably 521 00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:50,440 Speaker 1: survive because. 522 00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:52,200 Speaker 4: There're center's money at the line. That's the funny thing. 523 00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:55,520 Speaker 6: Yeah, exactly, well exactly, but in a close game, I 524 00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:57,240 Speaker 6: think they were saying, it's like, you know, you usually 525 00:22:57,240 --> 00:22:58,160 Speaker 6: get it to your point guard. 526 00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:00,800 Speaker 1: He's usually the best free throw shoot on the team. 527 00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:02,760 Speaker 6: You feel most comfortable with the ball in his hands 528 00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:04,879 Speaker 6: for not turning it over and then getting foul and 529 00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:05,480 Speaker 6: going the line. 530 00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:07,040 Speaker 1: And it's like the complete. 531 00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:09,119 Speaker 6: Opposite here with with the point guard Ben Simmons, Like, 532 00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:11,080 Speaker 6: this is the guy that should be able to like, 533 00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:13,240 Speaker 6: like you said, Lee, what do you want from at 534 00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:13,640 Speaker 6: this point? 535 00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:15,320 Speaker 1: Seventy seventy five percent. 536 00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:17,560 Speaker 6: Is not asking a time, of course, But I don't 537 00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:21,280 Speaker 6: know how he changes it outside of switching hands going underhand. 538 00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:24,440 Speaker 2: Wow, Like what I would just shoot fifty thousand free 539 00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:27,240 Speaker 2: throws this summer. I just would do it because I 540 00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:28,840 Speaker 2: think that's what it comes down to, is just that 541 00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:31,840 Speaker 2: repetition and practice. And you know, we got an email 542 00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:33,360 Speaker 2: from someone a while ago, actually I meant to bring 543 00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:35,880 Speaker 2: it up, saying that like when he was back in Australia. 544 00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:38,320 Speaker 2: Like he just he wasn't even making free throws in 545 00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:41,080 Speaker 2: the empty gym. So maybe you're not going to see 546 00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:43,000 Speaker 2: that video because he because he. 547 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:46,440 Speaker 1: Wasn't doing you know, Howard's the first one in practice. 548 00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:50,440 Speaker 2: But like you know, I look at guys like Tony 549 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:52,320 Speaker 2: Parker as an example. The reason I bring him up 550 00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:54,760 Speaker 2: is because the Spurs nearly moved on from him and 551 00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:56,840 Speaker 2: got Jason Kid because they couldn't trust him. Jas getting 552 00:23:56,840 --> 00:23:58,640 Speaker 2: not a great shooter, but just you know, a better 553 00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:01,399 Speaker 2: player at the time. But Tony Parker worked his ass 554 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:05,200 Speaker 2: off to become a very effective mid range shooter. Remember 555 00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:06,920 Speaker 2: that little one just from the side of the free 556 00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:09,440 Speaker 2: throw line. He knocked that in. That became cash for him, 557 00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:10,840 Speaker 2: and he knocked in his free throws. 558 00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:12,080 Speaker 1: So he just showed. 559 00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:15,720 Speaker 2: Simply by working hard, he improved himself as a player 560 00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:17,560 Speaker 2: to the point where it was like that's great. So 561 00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:19,960 Speaker 2: that that's just an example where there Simmons doesn't have 562 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:22,040 Speaker 2: to be a three point shooter, you know, he just 563 00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:24,680 Speaker 2: has to find an ability to shoot something, whether it's 564 00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:27,679 Speaker 2: a mid ranger the floater consistently and then go to 565 00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:29,439 Speaker 2: the free throw line and knock him in. You know, 566 00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:32,680 Speaker 2: knock in, knock in. Honestly, three out of five right now, 567 00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:36,359 Speaker 2: that should be the goal sixty percent. I think, yeah, 568 00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:40,359 Speaker 2: exactly exactly start there. So but I just you know, 569 00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:42,800 Speaker 2: I mean, for a guy, you know, with all the 570 00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:45,680 Speaker 2: physical and athletic gifts he has, he shouldn't be as 571 00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:49,240 Speaker 2: bad as he is at the free throw line. 572 00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:52,480 Speaker 6: Anything else to add task to this scheme here, we 573 00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:54,520 Speaker 6: thought this series was over. If we're all being honest, 574 00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:58,960 Speaker 6: I think we all thought Sexers look good. Yeah, that's 575 00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:01,919 Speaker 6: the problem Games four and five when they had massive leads. 576 00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:02,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you're right. 577 00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:06,040 Speaker 6: Tasks, So you know, I know we're piling on them, 578 00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:09,680 Speaker 6: trying to lay blame whoever's feet deserves it on Philadelphia. 579 00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:11,679 Speaker 6: I hope we gave enough like love there to the 580 00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:14,919 Speaker 6: Hawks because you know, John Collins, what's happening here with 581 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:17,240 Speaker 6: the nineteen and eleven that huge block that ended up 582 00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:19,360 Speaker 6: going out on I guess was it a Harris right 583 00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:21,320 Speaker 6: that tipped it and it hit out of bounds before 584 00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:22,720 Speaker 6: then John touched it so it went the other way 585 00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:24,960 Speaker 6: like that was huge In that point of the game, 586 00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:28,560 Speaker 6: Atlanta stayed up one if I remember correctly. What's what's 587 00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:30,600 Speaker 6: so funny what's happening here with John Collins? Like we 588 00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:32,800 Speaker 6: talked about his contract, right, Like what does this guy get? 589 00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:35,200 Speaker 6: What does he deserve? And it's like, on one hand, 590 00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:37,040 Speaker 6: you're like, and I think this happened with Johnny's Like, well, 591 00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:38,679 Speaker 6: I got to be a I got to be a 592 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:40,240 Speaker 6: twenty two and fifteen guy. 593 00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:41,639 Speaker 1: The ball's got to come through me. 594 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:44,520 Speaker 6: I think this happens with young guys, right, And like 595 00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:47,200 Speaker 6: you're like, I don't know, you're probably not that okay, 596 00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:50,520 Speaker 6: Like that's not maybe you do this other stuff, do 597 00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:53,919 Speaker 6: all like the little things, the dirty things, the hustle plays, 598 00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:57,439 Speaker 6: like you said the prevention defense tray, like you know, 599 00:25:57,480 --> 00:25:59,440 Speaker 6: obviously hit a three and stuff like that, and you 600 00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:01,200 Speaker 6: got lucky on that one where he banked home a 601 00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:04,040 Speaker 6: little bit. But like do the dirty little things and 602 00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:06,000 Speaker 6: you can make a ton of money in this league 603 00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:07,919 Speaker 6: because there's so much value in guys like that. So 604 00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:09,679 Speaker 6: it's sort of cool, I think in this as this 605 00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:13,159 Speaker 6: playoff series has gone on for the Hawks over these 606 00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:14,639 Speaker 6: two series with the Nicks and now six Ers, like 607 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:17,439 Speaker 6: you're seeing that from Collins and like I'm wondering now 608 00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:20,080 Speaker 6: if like it's actually gonna help his his bank account, 609 00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:21,600 Speaker 6: because it's like there's value in that. 610 00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:23,680 Speaker 1: There are like if that makes any sense. 611 00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:24,960 Speaker 6: I don't know if it'll be with the Hawks still, 612 00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:26,240 Speaker 6: and I don't know what number they would agree on, 613 00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:29,080 Speaker 6: but obviously when he plays like that, when he focuses 614 00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:31,520 Speaker 6: on that stuff and not the like I gotta get 615 00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:34,080 Speaker 6: twenty five a night, it's so much more valuable. 616 00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:36,040 Speaker 1: I think, almost in a weird way, in this league. 617 00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:39,880 Speaker 5: He's gonna it's gonna be interesting because I think he's 618 00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:43,080 Speaker 5: the longest tenured Hawk at this point right and now 619 00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:46,160 Speaker 5: he is making his first appearance in the playoffs, and 620 00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:48,240 Speaker 5: like you're saying, Skeets, he's doing the little stuff. You 621 00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:50,000 Speaker 5: can make a ton of money going twenty and ten, 622 00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:51,840 Speaker 5: but you can also make a ton of money being 623 00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:55,120 Speaker 5: willing to do the dirty stuff in the playoffs and 624 00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:57,320 Speaker 5: kind of something we didn't expect from John Collins. 625 00:26:57,359 --> 00:26:57,880 Speaker 4: He struggled. 626 00:26:57,920 --> 00:26:59,840 Speaker 5: I remember through the first two games, he's kind of like, 627 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:02,679 Speaker 5: what's this guy doing? Turns out he just focused on 628 00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:05,000 Speaker 5: playing defense and being a two way player here and 629 00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:06,879 Speaker 5: now it's going to be even harder for the Hawks 630 00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:09,600 Speaker 5: or to say goodbye to him if he wants to 631 00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:12,320 Speaker 5: go somewhere else, because he's showing up in the playoffs 632 00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:14,720 Speaker 5: the very first time. He's got some tenure here. He's 633 00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:17,119 Speaker 5: obviously a nice match with Trey Young, and you like 634 00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:19,359 Speaker 5: being able to run a guy who has a little 635 00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:22,520 Speaker 5: bit of a modern game. Nobody's necessarily saying that John 636 00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:24,480 Speaker 5: Collins is going to be an All Star. It's certainly 637 00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:26,800 Speaker 5: a possibility. But he can stretch the floor, he can 638 00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:28,639 Speaker 5: put it on the floor, he can score inside, and 639 00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:30,800 Speaker 5: as we're seeing here, he can actually play a little 640 00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:32,720 Speaker 5: bit of defense. Another guy I would tip my cap 641 00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:36,840 Speaker 5: to Anyeka Akonglu maybe the best rookie in the playoffs 642 00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:39,679 Speaker 5: so far. He was great against Dwight Howard there in 643 00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:41,320 Speaker 5: the second half. I think he ended up with six 644 00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:44,080 Speaker 5: points and five boards, a plus twelve and just a 645 00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:47,359 Speaker 5: handful of minutes. He's been contributing offensively. He looks like 646 00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:50,720 Speaker 5: he's going to be the next Clint Cappella, whenever Clint Cappella, you. 647 00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:52,200 Speaker 4: Know, has passed his prime. 648 00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:55,480 Speaker 6: Impressive stuff, Yeah, task anything else add to this game 649 00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:56,560 Speaker 6: and moving forward? 650 00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:59,119 Speaker 1: I mean, I guess we do. You still believe the 651 00:27:59,160 --> 00:27:59,840 Speaker 1: Sixers can win? 652 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:02,920 Speaker 6: Here in Atlanta on Friday Night with Lee Ellis in attendance, 653 00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:04,520 Speaker 6: standing room only, having a peroni. 654 00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:09,720 Speaker 3: Lee thinks, So Lee's nodding, He's. 655 00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:14,199 Speaker 2: The fortress. We gotta go, we gotta go. 656 00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:16,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think yeah. 657 00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:19,200 Speaker 7: It's it's it feels like a doc River's up three 658 00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:22,960 Speaker 7: to one series lead and then the team just falls apart. 659 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:25,400 Speaker 7: I know it's just up two to one in this instance, 660 00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:29,160 Speaker 7: but two huge leads in Game four. In Game five, 661 00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:32,040 Speaker 7: it wouldn't be surprising to see the Sixers get out 662 00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:34,879 Speaker 7: to that lead again. But for some reason in the 663 00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:39,200 Speaker 7: fourth quarter, they just stopped working. I mean, there was 664 00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:42,120 Speaker 7: there was again perfection from the Hawks side, like John 665 00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:45,080 Speaker 7: Collins banked home of three with five minutes left to 666 00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:48,520 Speaker 7: make it an eight point game at Dwight Howard and 667 00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:51,040 Speaker 7: George Hill missed bunnies in the fourth quarter when they 668 00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:53,800 Speaker 7: were going up against Anyaka and Congo, like they they 669 00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:58,160 Speaker 7: just couldn't seem to figure it out, you know, like 670 00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:00,640 Speaker 7: the bouncers were going the Hawk's way. But it really 671 00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:04,640 Speaker 7: was disappointing. Was you know, Embiid not jumping when Tree 672 00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:07,880 Speaker 7: Young had two layups with under four minutes left. That's 673 00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:11,560 Speaker 7: it's just it's just odd. Harris and Simmons got to help. 674 00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:14,120 Speaker 7: I mean, I don't I don't know one other way 675 00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:16,240 Speaker 7: to put it. Dwight Howard might want to play outplay 676 00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:19,480 Speaker 7: on Yachan congluence at some point in a second half. 677 00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:20,920 Speaker 3: I don't know. 678 00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:23,080 Speaker 7: It's a it's a real conudrum. It's like we sat 679 00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:25,680 Speaker 7: back and watched the Clippers lose three to one, and uh, 680 00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:30,120 Speaker 7: it's it's an implosion, really, and so Toby has got 681 00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:33,560 Speaker 7: to be better, and uh, you know what, I don't know, 682 00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:36,400 Speaker 7: there's just there's there's a lack of fight and you know, 683 00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:38,720 Speaker 7: I tie it to Doc Rivers, but the whole team, man, 684 00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:42,560 Speaker 7: there's something there that they just they just faded. And 685 00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:44,440 Speaker 7: I don't know if it's just Joel Andbiid getting gassed 686 00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:47,320 Speaker 7: and everybody's seeing that not knowing what the game plan is. 687 00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:50,320 Speaker 7: After Joel Ebiid gets tired, like joelan Bed's last make 688 00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:53,520 Speaker 7: was nine minutes left in this game, and he obviously 689 00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:56,800 Speaker 7: has the this size advantage, the match up advantage, but 690 00:29:57,360 --> 00:29:59,280 Speaker 7: he was just done. He was he was too tired 691 00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:00,720 Speaker 7: to do anything. Why he was standing out with the 692 00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:03,320 Speaker 7: three point lands was why he wasn't jumping at so 693 00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:06,840 Speaker 7: maybe less minutes for him, but then what happens. Yeah, man, 694 00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:08,560 Speaker 7: it's exactly a strange one. 695 00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:09,120 Speaker 1: Yeah. 696 00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:11,760 Speaker 6: I mean I hate to play a body language doctor here, 697 00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:13,720 Speaker 6: but holy crap and beat at the end of that 698 00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:15,720 Speaker 6: game when they were giving up the lead and start 699 00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:17,440 Speaker 6: and then gave it up and weren't getting it back. 700 00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:21,560 Speaker 6: I was reading from his face like what the fuck 701 00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:23,600 Speaker 6: is anybody else going to do anything here? 702 00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:25,680 Speaker 1: Like do I have to do it on both ends now? 703 00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:27,960 Speaker 1: And he looked. 704 00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:29,440 Speaker 6: Obviously frustrated as he would be blowing a twenty six 705 00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:31,160 Speaker 6: point lead after blowing an eighteen point lead when this 706 00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:33,040 Speaker 6: series should be over, they should be moving on to 707 00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:35,680 Speaker 6: the Eastern Conference finals. Another thing Spike said on his 708 00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:38,160 Speaker 6: podcast to him like this should be what the Hawks 709 00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:42,040 Speaker 6: are doing, like right, Like the Sixers are a legit 710 00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:42,719 Speaker 6: title contender. 711 00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:44,320 Speaker 1: They were the number one seed in the East. 712 00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:46,960 Speaker 6: You know, you've got guys on the All Defensive Team, 713 00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:49,960 Speaker 6: You've got an MVP runner up, you've got another All Star, 714 00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:52,640 Speaker 6: you've got another guy that's borderline. Also, they should be 715 00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:55,320 Speaker 6: the ones like if anything, like coming back from fifteen down, 716 00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:57,000 Speaker 6: because they're like no, no, no, And it should be 717 00:30:57,040 --> 00:31:00,840 Speaker 6: the Hawks because of inexperience whatever, maybe hot and then 718 00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:03,200 Speaker 6: blowing big leads and it's like flipped on its head here. 719 00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:06,120 Speaker 6: That's why it's really perplexing that it's like the Sixers 720 00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:09,000 Speaker 6: lit the monster leads and then this resilient Hawks bunch 721 00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:11,720 Speaker 6: and again kudos to them, Lou completely changed the game. 722 00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:14,160 Speaker 1: We've seen Lou Williams do this though a number of 723 00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:14,960 Speaker 1: times in his career. 724 00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,920 Speaker 6: He just completely changes the game because the guy's a bucket. 725 00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:20,000 Speaker 6: At times, he gives a lot back on the other end, 726 00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:22,080 Speaker 6: you could expose him if you want to, which they didn't, 727 00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:24,480 Speaker 6: but my god, he just catches fire and the game 728 00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:25,240 Speaker 6: changes like that. 729 00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:26,320 Speaker 1: But it's weird. 730 00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:28,480 Speaker 6: This should be the Hawks, I think, having big leads 731 00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:31,640 Speaker 6: tray and maybe giving them up because of again inexperience, 732 00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:33,600 Speaker 6: But it's it's this Sixers team that a lot of 733 00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:36,080 Speaker 6: people think could or should win a title and the 734 00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:37,720 Speaker 6: opening seems to be there right now with all the 735 00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:40,560 Speaker 6: injuries all across all these other teams and Embiid, yes, 736 00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:43,200 Speaker 6: is hurt, But why does he look dominant in you know, 737 00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:45,600 Speaker 6: in the first twenty four to thirty minutes of a game. 738 00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:47,560 Speaker 1: So I don't know, it's just weird. 739 00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:49,320 Speaker 4: Yeah, Embiid is dominant. 740 00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:53,000 Speaker 5: He's got the advantage against Capella, but over the course 741 00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:55,320 Speaker 5: of the game, by the time he gets worn down 742 00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:57,360 Speaker 5: from carrying the team in the first half because he 743 00:31:57,400 --> 00:31:59,000 Speaker 5: has to carry the team in the first half to 744 00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:01,920 Speaker 5: get the lead to to play well for the Sixers, 745 00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:04,880 Speaker 5: it's getting a bit overwhelming for him at the end, 746 00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:07,360 Speaker 5: and then they look like the inexperienced team out there, 747 00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:10,640 Speaker 5: where they're like, all right, things are going poorly. It's 748 00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:12,959 Speaker 5: on me to figure this out. It's on me to 749 00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:14,720 Speaker 5: be the one who gets the bucket here. And you 750 00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:17,480 Speaker 5: can tell Embad is getting a little frazzled with trying 751 00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:18,920 Speaker 5: to put the team on his back and it's not 752 00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:20,320 Speaker 5: going so well and he can't. 753 00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:20,880 Speaker 4: Rely on anybody. 754 00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:22,800 Speaker 5: It looks like it's their first time in the playoffs, 755 00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:26,680 Speaker 5: but this is what their fourth appearance in the playoffs together. 756 00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:28,320 Speaker 4: And when it goes bad. 757 00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:30,040 Speaker 5: For the Sixers, just like when it goes bad for 758 00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:31,960 Speaker 5: the Bucks, it feels like we're seeing the same thing 759 00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:34,440 Speaker 5: over and over again, where it's like a bit of 760 00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:36,760 Speaker 5: a panic to the point where you're like, if I 761 00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:38,400 Speaker 5: don't do this, nobody else is gonna be able to, 762 00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:41,920 Speaker 5: you know. I think Chris Kershner even said it's pretty 763 00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:44,520 Speaker 5: corny that Nate McMillan. 764 00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:45,640 Speaker 4: Does a fist before the game. 765 00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:48,080 Speaker 5: We're gonna be tight as a fist, and the heart 766 00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:50,680 Speaker 5: the tighter the fist is, the harder the punch. 767 00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:52,680 Speaker 4: The seventy six ers are. 768 00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:56,400 Speaker 5: Like a mangled Lionel Holland's kind of hand right, like 769 00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:58,480 Speaker 5: like your Ben Simmons is over here. It's not gonna 770 00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:02,080 Speaker 5: get some shots. You're Jewelingbeid, slowly fading. They need to 771 00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:04,959 Speaker 5: fist up and actually play together as a team. And 772 00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:07,520 Speaker 5: that to me is on Doc doing something saying, guys, 773 00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:10,200 Speaker 5: you know we're not gonna stop a twenty seven point 774 00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:13,120 Speaker 5: blown lead in a single possession with Joel Embiid trying 775 00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:14,920 Speaker 5: to get to the free throw line. We gotta do 776 00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:16,560 Speaker 5: something and play as a team to get a win here. 777 00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:20,320 Speaker 6: Yeah, A wild wild line from Kevin Ardivitz on ESPN 778 00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:21,720 Speaker 6: in his article about this. 779 00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:23,920 Speaker 1: Hawks comeback a snake bit in. 780 00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:26,800 Speaker 6: Doc Rivers has now presided over five of the eight 781 00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:30,520 Speaker 6: largest blown leads in the past two postseasons league. 782 00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:32,440 Speaker 1: That is crazy, though. 783 00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:36,200 Speaker 6: I also think Doc was the coach for the biggest 784 00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:39,920 Speaker 6: comeback in a postseason over the Warriors when they were 785 00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:43,320 Speaker 6: down like thirty one. Right the Clippers were if I 786 00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:49,040 Speaker 6: remember that, Yeah, weird, Yeah, you know, very high highs 787 00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:51,080 Speaker 6: with Doc and Lo Lo's I guess it's a very 788 00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:52,800 Speaker 6: strange stat though there from art of. 789 00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:57,160 Speaker 2: This, Yeah, that doesn't look cood on Doc if it 790 00:33:57,240 --> 00:33:59,120 Speaker 2: keeps happening to him. But I do sort of think 791 00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:00,719 Speaker 2: he sits on his hands a little bit in that 792 00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:02,840 Speaker 2: fourth quarter. He didn't seem to I mean. 793 00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:04,600 Speaker 4: Maybe that's why the fingers are on man. 794 00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:08,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, yeah, I don't know what he needs 795 00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:10,560 Speaker 2: to do to, you know, just get someone else to 796 00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:12,440 Speaker 2: get a runner, play to get someone else a basket. 797 00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:14,440 Speaker 2: But again a lot of this falls on Tobias Harris, 798 00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:16,960 Speaker 2: who has I've been critical of him because in the 799 00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:19,319 Speaker 2: playoffs he hasn't stood up and so far up to 800 00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:21,200 Speaker 2: about Game three or four. In fact, in Game three 801 00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:24,279 Speaker 2: he was really good. He has been really important for 802 00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:27,359 Speaker 2: the Sixers, but he went in those crucial moments last 803 00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:30,240 Speaker 2: night and back to Game four, he leaves it short. 804 00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:33,200 Speaker 2: He gets timid, he doesn't attack, and he doesn't seem 805 00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:36,359 Speaker 2: to have that same sort of confidence in himself. And 806 00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:39,239 Speaker 2: he has to step up now huge in Game six 807 00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:42,120 Speaker 2: here in Atlanta, because he's a bit of a pendulum 808 00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:43,960 Speaker 2: swing for them. When he plays well, they tend to 809 00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:47,520 Speaker 2: play better. But he hasn't delivered in the important you know, 810 00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:53,120 Speaker 2: fourth quarter stretches of the last two games. So you know, yeah, man, 811 00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:54,799 Speaker 2: what happens to this team if they go out in 812 00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:55,880 Speaker 2: six s? 813 00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:57,160 Speaker 1: How can they not be moose? 814 00:34:57,280 --> 00:35:00,840 Speaker 6: How can Ben Simmons not be traded or I don't know, 815 00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:02,760 Speaker 6: if it's Tobias that takes the blame. 816 00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:05,080 Speaker 4: You can't run it back again with this. 817 00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:09,160 Speaker 6: In no way is this would be terribly disappointing. The 818 00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:11,919 Speaker 6: Hawks are a good team. They're not like, oh my god, 819 00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,080 Speaker 6: this team is a juggernaut. We can't beat them. They 820 00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:17,239 Speaker 6: should be beating them, and they were and they have been. 821 00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:20,120 Speaker 2: And look what you were saying before as well, like 822 00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:22,560 Speaker 2: since coming into the starting line, they're basically playing four 823 00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:25,440 Speaker 2: starters right now, the horse because Kevin Huerta hasn't really 824 00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:28,239 Speaker 2: adapted to that role. Solomon Hill wasn't very good. You know, 825 00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:30,920 Speaker 2: DeAndre Hunter is out for the entire playofs Camra Reddish 826 00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:32,919 Speaker 2: is out. So they've still got two young draft picks 827 00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:34,920 Speaker 2: as well that they expect to be much better. And 828 00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:36,120 Speaker 2: Hunter we've seen. 829 00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:37,000 Speaker 4: Be very good. 830 00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:40,279 Speaker 2: So the Hawks are severely shorthanded. Really, they're you know, 831 00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:41,400 Speaker 2: Nate McMillen's kind of like. 832 00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:41,880 Speaker 1: What do I do? 833 00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:45,560 Speaker 2: Because Kevin Huerta was giving them really good minutes off 834 00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:48,280 Speaker 2: the bench. I bet he would love to sort of. Okay, 835 00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:50,759 Speaker 2: Solomon Hill didn't work, let's go with somebody else. But 836 00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:53,839 Speaker 2: who is that sort of fourth guy that doesn't give 837 00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:56,360 Speaker 2: up too much defensively and can potentially hit a shot? 838 00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:58,719 Speaker 2: Is it Gallinari? I don't think so, because I think 839 00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:00,759 Speaker 2: he likes Gallinari coming off the bench as well. 840 00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:06,120 Speaker 6: But they play culinary too many minutes too No, that's. 841 00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:06,760 Speaker 4: A perfect space. 842 00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:11,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's the thing. He's very slow and 843 00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:13,480 Speaker 2: he can't get exposed, but he's giving them that real 844 00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:16,200 Speaker 2: sort of offensive punch right now. So that's the one 845 00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:19,160 Speaker 2: sort of still problem that Nate McMillan faces. It's like, 846 00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:20,920 Speaker 2: I need someone to be that fourth guy, but he 847 00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:21,759 Speaker 2: hasn't found it yet. 848 00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:23,680 Speaker 1: Okay, let's go to the Nightcap. 849 00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:26,400 Speaker 5: Hold on a second later, you're planning on going Friday 850 00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:30,279 Speaker 5: because I need to get me to Steve Kirby's in town. 851 00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:32,160 Speaker 4: Well, yeah, one Father's Day. 852 00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:33,200 Speaker 5: I don't know if he's going to be able to 853 00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:36,080 Speaker 5: handle standing for three straight hours. But I'd love to 854 00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:37,080 Speaker 5: put him through the pieces. 855 00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:39,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, well tell it. I'm more than happy to get 856 00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:41,520 Speaker 2: one for him. But I am definitely going standing room 857 00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:45,320 Speaker 2: because the sitting the sitting seat right now, we're talking 858 00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:47,600 Speaker 2: three bills right now, that's a little bit too much 859 00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:50,239 Speaker 2: for me. So you know, it's much more fun in 860 00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:51,560 Speaker 2: the standing room section as well. 861 00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:53,759 Speaker 6: I enjoyed it live, I got to say, especially if 862 00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:56,920 Speaker 6: you're with a big group of people. You know, when 863 00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:59,399 Speaker 6: you're in seats, it's like the classic bar dilemma, right, 864 00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:02,080 Speaker 6: You're like, how's it going down there? Oh yeah, shot 865 00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:04,680 Speaker 6: air high five? But like you know, you're you're in 866 00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:07,040 Speaker 6: the standing room, you can sort of like bounce around, talk. 867 00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:10,560 Speaker 1: About the game. You know, it's like a moving a 868 00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:12,160 Speaker 1: little group there. I liked it. 869 00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:14,719 Speaker 6: I'm not going though, by the way, so I like, 870 00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:16,440 Speaker 6: you know, we go down for Friday and the Hawks 871 00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:18,319 Speaker 6: like Leiah Dudd and could never get back in the game. 872 00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:20,520 Speaker 6: And then what happens the next two games. You know, 873 00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:21,240 Speaker 6: they're incredible. 874 00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:23,080 Speaker 1: In Game four they come back, and then in Game five. 875 00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:25,359 Speaker 6: I'm gonna stay away. For Hawks fans, you don't want 876 00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:27,120 Speaker 6: me there because they'll lose by twenty. If I'm in 877 00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:29,840 Speaker 6: the building, I will guarantee it. But you guys have 878 00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:32,319 Speaker 6: fun and that'd be awesome. Yeah, get two Kirby's out there, 879 00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:36,080 Speaker 6: be incredible. Okay, let's go to the other game, Paul George. 880 00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:38,799 Speaker 6: The Clippers beat the Jazz one nineteen, one eleven to 881 00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:42,640 Speaker 6: take the three two series lead. TK get a start 882 00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:45,600 Speaker 6: A big takeaways from the Clippers victory without Kauai. 883 00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:50,160 Speaker 5: What a win for all the Paul George heads like me. 884 00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:52,319 Speaker 5: I don't know if this was the biggest game in 885 00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:55,040 Speaker 5: Paul George's career. The guys played in the conference finals. 886 00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:58,120 Speaker 5: Game seven definitely one of the biggest narrative games of 887 00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:00,400 Speaker 5: his career, and he had one of the best playoff 888 00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:03,600 Speaker 5: games that he's ever had. Thirty seven points, sixteen rebounds, 889 00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:06,200 Speaker 5: five assists. It came on the road, and it came 890 00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:10,440 Speaker 5: after the Jazz came out blazing. That was very impressive, 891 00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:13,120 Speaker 5: absolutely necessary for the Clippers. 892 00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:13,160 Speaker 4: To get a win. 893 00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:16,560 Speaker 5: And the thing I loved about Paul George's performance was 894 00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:19,920 Speaker 5: that it was so consistent. First quarter ten points, five rebounds, 895 00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:23,360 Speaker 5: second quarter twelve points, three rebounds, third quarter eight points, 896 00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:27,719 Speaker 5: five rebounds, four assists, fourth quarter seven points and three rebounds. 897 00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:30,680 Speaker 5: We've talked so many times about how Paul George is 898 00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:36,000 Speaker 5: one of the best guys to watch when he's on fire, when. 899 00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:37,439 Speaker 4: He's really streaky, and you know that can be the case. 900 00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:39,279 Speaker 5: He can have a forty point game where he has 901 00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:41,879 Speaker 5: thirty of them in the second half, but that would 902 00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:44,000 Speaker 5: not have been good for the Clippers last night. They 903 00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:47,360 Speaker 5: needed the consistency a little bit more than the top end. 904 00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:50,319 Speaker 5: You know, on fireness shot fifty five percent for the night, 905 00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:53,200 Speaker 5: which is good but not an insane number. The thing 906 00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:56,840 Speaker 5: I love fourteen points in the paint and eleven three throws. 907 00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:59,799 Speaker 5: He was putting the pressure on the rim and on 908 00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:03,439 Speaker 5: the defense. The dunk against the heat probably still Paul 909 00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:06,799 Speaker 5: George's signature playoff moment at this point, but this is 910 00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:10,160 Speaker 5: probably his signature game to playoff period. 911 00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:11,919 Speaker 4: The guy did it last night. 912 00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:14,959 Speaker 5: He had a huge spotlight on him and he came 913 00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:18,800 Speaker 5: through completely. There's no doubt about it that Paul George 914 00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:21,640 Speaker 5: showed up when the Clippers absolutely needed him too. So 915 00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:24,600 Speaker 5: feather Hint and his cap last night. That was a 916 00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:27,600 Speaker 5: fun game to watch, especially when the Jazz came out 917 00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:31,279 Speaker 5: on fire. The arena was lit and you're like, uh 918 00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:34,760 Speaker 5: uh uh oh, but the Clippers kept their heads. 919 00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:35,759 Speaker 4: Yep, they hit back. 920 00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:39,080 Speaker 5: They were feeling good at halftime, only down five after 921 00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:42,200 Speaker 5: the Jazz had made seventeen threes in. 922 00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:43,040 Speaker 4: The first half. 923 00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:45,359 Speaker 5: Yeah, but it kind of turned out to be bad 924 00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:47,640 Speaker 5: news bears for the Jazz because they're like, cool, if 925 00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:50,440 Speaker 5: we're just gonna make threes all night, why even shoot 926 00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:52,799 Speaker 5: a two pointer? Went three for twenty four from three 927 00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:54,759 Speaker 5: in the second half, and that was the difference in 928 00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:56,920 Speaker 5: the game, right there, A real tail of two halves, 929 00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:57,399 Speaker 5: if you will. 930 00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:00,160 Speaker 6: Yeah, tass, what'd you think of this one? 931 00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:01,560 Speaker 3: What a fricking squad. 932 00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:04,279 Speaker 7: I mean, to go into Utah and to not let 933 00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:08,000 Speaker 7: up all the way throughout the game, even when the 934 00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:11,920 Speaker 7: Jazz were raining down shots. You know, it obviously starts 935 00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:14,480 Speaker 7: with Paul George. He felt good. I think he felt 936 00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:17,480 Speaker 7: like it was his signature playoff performance, like something that 937 00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:20,719 Speaker 7: he's been sort of, you know, missing the last few years. 938 00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:23,160 Speaker 7: Like he sort of broke through the tape. You know, 939 00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:25,960 Speaker 7: if he's saying hey mom and hey Dad in his 940 00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:29,400 Speaker 7: postgame interview, he feels pretty fricking good. You know that 941 00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:32,879 Speaker 7: he can he can be a vulnerable playoff pe there 942 00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:34,480 Speaker 7: and say hi to Mom and hie to Dad. But 943 00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:37,560 Speaker 7: all the guys all the way down the stretch. I mean, 944 00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:41,720 Speaker 7: to go into Utah and to win, despite Utah shooting 945 00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:45,480 Speaker 7: more threes, banging home twenty threes, they had to go 946 00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:48,400 Speaker 7: and steal this game. And they did down the stretch, 947 00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:53,400 Speaker 7: like Terrence Man that huge, huge shot over Rudy Gobert, 948 00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:56,720 Speaker 7: then Reggie Jackson going into the chest of Rudy Gobert. 949 00:40:56,920 --> 00:41:00,920 Speaker 7: Marcus Morris obviously monstrous with twenty five, and that was 950 00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:04,120 Speaker 7: you know, all those guys needed that. They needed to 951 00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:07,479 Speaker 7: do that for them to get the win. It wasn't 952 00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:09,040 Speaker 7: a game that the Jazz lost. It was a game 953 00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:12,440 Speaker 7: that the Clippers win in and stole. They shot fifty 954 00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:15,279 Speaker 7: forty eighty five from the line. You have to do 955 00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:18,200 Speaker 7: that in a tough place like to win it like 956 00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:21,400 Speaker 7: in Utah. And you know, I guess they're waiting for 957 00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:23,439 Speaker 7: Donovan Mitchell to show up at the end to kind 958 00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:27,560 Speaker 7: of save them. But my god, the Clippers doing it, 959 00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:29,120 Speaker 7: you know, with a guy like Terrence Man who just 960 00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:33,120 Speaker 7: steps into Kawhi Leonard's spot there, and all those guys 961 00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:36,120 Speaker 7: that mentioned Marcus Morris, I mean, everybody looked good on 962 00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:40,080 Speaker 7: the offensive end team win. They got to feel phenomenal 963 00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:42,640 Speaker 7: going back on that team playing like I mean, who 964 00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:44,360 Speaker 7: would have thought that the Clippers would be like the 965 00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:49,120 Speaker 7: most you know, have the most camaraderie, the most chemistry 966 00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:50,200 Speaker 7: in the game. 967 00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:51,879 Speaker 3: I mean that was It's Bonker. 968 00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:54,279 Speaker 7: Saint, Paul George and Steve Balmer wap it up after 969 00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:57,360 Speaker 7: the game. I mean they are one through twelve plus 970 00:41:57,400 --> 00:41:59,520 Speaker 7: tylo amazing story. 971 00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:02,520 Speaker 2: There lee anything to add to this victory, just that 972 00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:05,880 Speaker 2: despite the numbers at which Paul George put up were fantastic, 973 00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:09,080 Speaker 2: I thought leadership qualities were really on display last night 974 00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:12,399 Speaker 2: because he only had five assists, but he really did 975 00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:15,160 Speaker 2: pretty much touched the ball almost every offensive possession. But 976 00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:16,839 Speaker 2: he didn't just sort of try to do too much 977 00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:19,080 Speaker 2: or try to do it all himself. He really trusted 978 00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:21,640 Speaker 2: his teammates, and I think that's how you show the 979 00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:23,960 Speaker 2: other team or your teammates that you're on the same 980 00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:26,640 Speaker 2: page as like I'm the star. I'll do the heavy lifting, 981 00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:28,759 Speaker 2: but I need you guys to contribute. And Terrence Man, 982 00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:30,640 Speaker 2: you talk about Paul George is saying that you dunk 983 00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:33,840 Speaker 2: over Chris Anderson, that dunk over Rudy Gobert is Terrence 984 00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:36,279 Speaker 2: Man's I mean, he just went straight at him and 985 00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:39,200 Speaker 2: jammed and I and that was just incredible. But Reggie Jackson, 986 00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:43,760 Speaker 2: who has incredible self confidence and self belief, he hits 987 00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:45,880 Speaker 2: a monster threes last night, and again, I think that 988 00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:48,640 Speaker 2: all starts with Paul George saying everybody needs to be 989 00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:50,520 Speaker 2: on the same page. And TYLERU said that before the 990 00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:52,440 Speaker 2: game when someone said, you know, how much of this 991 00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:54,439 Speaker 2: is just on Paul George and I, he said, it's 992 00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:56,960 Speaker 2: not on Paul George. It's on all of us to contribute. 993 00:42:57,080 --> 00:42:59,720 Speaker 2: And Tyler has done a fantastic job I think coaching 994 00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:02,200 Speaker 2: this time because he went with Luke Canard last night 995 00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:05,440 Speaker 2: and Patrick Beverly again. Patrick, he gave up one stupid 996 00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:07,919 Speaker 2: foul there against Donovan Mitchell on the inbounds, but other 997 00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:11,080 Speaker 2: than that, I thought Patrick Beverly was okay. He's definitely 998 00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:13,000 Speaker 2: one of those sort of players. It's like, you can't 999 00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:14,480 Speaker 2: have him out there for too long because he could 1000 00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:16,040 Speaker 2: screw up. But if he can give him a few 1001 00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:18,200 Speaker 2: minutes here and there, and he just hustles hard on 1002 00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:20,680 Speaker 2: defense and hits the shots when he's open, that's his 1003 00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:23,680 Speaker 2: best strength. So I think Tyler who has done a 1004 00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:25,759 Speaker 2: great job and as you sort of say, they're tast 1005 00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:28,680 Speaker 2: One of the things that I've thought would always come 1006 00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:31,279 Speaker 2: back to haunt the Clippers was when they're down, they 1007 00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:33,839 Speaker 2: don't have that fight in them to come back, and 1008 00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:36,520 Speaker 2: now they've done it in both series and last night, 1009 00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:39,120 Speaker 2: I thought that was just such an impressive performance because 1010 00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:41,680 Speaker 2: you lose your best player and it sort of galvanized 1011 00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:44,160 Speaker 2: them because it was like everyone's just now dismissing us, 1012 00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:46,160 Speaker 2: thinks we're gone, we're going to be written off, and 1013 00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:48,680 Speaker 2: instead they put in And I do think this is 1014 00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:51,800 Speaker 2: the best playoff game of Paul George's career for everything 1015 00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:54,839 Speaker 2: that he did out there on the court defensively, offensively, 1016 00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:57,640 Speaker 2: it was great. And again he sort of commanded the 1017 00:43:57,640 --> 00:43:59,680 Speaker 2: balls like it's going to go through me, but I'm 1018 00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:01,359 Speaker 2: not going to take every shot. I need those other 1019 00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:04,480 Speaker 2: guys to contribute. So a super impressive victory here, and 1020 00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:07,600 Speaker 2: now some serious questions for the Utah Jazz. Can they 1021 00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:10,160 Speaker 2: get out of this series? I mean, they've got no 1022 00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:12,520 Speaker 2: real excuse. I know Mike Conley's obviously missing, but. 1023 00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:14,399 Speaker 1: John Mitchell has banged up too. 1024 00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:16,120 Speaker 6: I mean, I think that was, Yeah, he's pretty apparent 1025 00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:17,960 Speaker 6: here in this game because I think that said it, like, 1026 00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:19,680 Speaker 6: all right, we had a bunch of threes in the 1027 00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:22,440 Speaker 6: first and like it's okay, we will have donas Donovan, 1028 00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:24,680 Speaker 6: you will carry us home at the end. And you know, 1029 00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:26,920 Speaker 6: credit to the Clip's defense and like loading up on 1030 00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:28,960 Speaker 6: him and sure make anybody else beat you. And it 1031 00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:30,960 Speaker 6: looked like Bugdanovich was going to do that early in 1032 00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:34,279 Speaker 6: this game. But yeah, he's just he's hampered with his 1033 00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:37,040 Speaker 6: ankle injury. I'm making excuses for them, but that sucks 1034 00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:39,520 Speaker 6: for the Jazz. They don't really have their their backcourt 1035 00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:40,560 Speaker 6: at this point in the series. 1036 00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:44,000 Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean there's no question that looks like 1037 00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:46,560 Speaker 2: he is carrying something with that angle ankle injury. But 1038 00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:48,600 Speaker 2: you know, in the playoffs, if you're playing, you're healthy 1039 00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:51,279 Speaker 2: and that that that isn't a big enough of an 1040 00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:54,080 Speaker 2: excuse when you consider what the other team is missing. 1041 00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:58,759 Speaker 2: So yeah, this this was just an inspiring Clipper's performance, 1042 00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:02,239 Speaker 2: which sounds that sounds funny to say, but it really was. 1043 00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:04,880 Speaker 2: I mean, we have to give them credit because everyone 1044 00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:07,239 Speaker 2: you know, when they're down oh two at home to 1045 00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:10,319 Speaker 2: the Mavericks, it was like what a pathetic organization. Same old, 1046 00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:12,279 Speaker 2: same old with the Clippers, and now they're on the 1047 00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:16,439 Speaker 2: brink of earning victory into the conference finals. This is again, 1048 00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:18,239 Speaker 2: this is not like, well, the Jazz are missing three 1049 00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:19,640 Speaker 2: of their stars whoops. 1050 00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:19,799 Speaker 5: And. 1051 00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:22,920 Speaker 1: You know the clip has just got lucky. 1052 00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:25,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a money box. It's a money it's a 1053 00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:27,680 Speaker 2: piggie paint of that. There. It is anyway dropping bags. 1054 00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:30,520 Speaker 2: You know, this wasn't That's not it. It's not like 1055 00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:32,560 Speaker 2: the Clippers are taking full advantage of a team that's 1056 00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:37,120 Speaker 2: like shorthanded. It's instead it's just an outstanding performance and 1057 00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:38,759 Speaker 2: ty Lou has done a great job. 1058 00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:41,200 Speaker 6: A few notes I'll add, because you guys are saying, 1059 00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:43,719 Speaker 6: was this Paul George's best playoff game ever? 1060 00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:45,440 Speaker 1: I think you guys might be right. 1061 00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:47,680 Speaker 6: I mean thirty seven, sixteen and five with the whole narrative, 1062 00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:50,240 Speaker 6: no Kuai in a pivotal game five on the road. 1063 00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:53,680 Speaker 6: I could only find a couple other that sort of compared, 1064 00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:56,280 Speaker 6: So it's either his best to second or third. 1065 00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:58,120 Speaker 1: The other ones that I would say are in the mix. 1066 00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:02,399 Speaker 6: He went for thirty nine in twelve, making a bunch 1067 00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:04,400 Speaker 6: of threes in a road victory over the Wizards in 1068 00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:07,640 Speaker 6: twenty fourteen big game, thirty nine to twelve. He posted 1069 00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:09,759 Speaker 6: a thirty nine to eight to eight test. You might 1070 00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:12,280 Speaker 6: remember this in the game five loss to the Raptors 1071 00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:15,680 Speaker 6: in twenty sixteen, which I believe was the Norm Powell game, 1072 00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:18,120 Speaker 6: if I have that right, monster. 1073 00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:21,359 Speaker 1: Monster game, the Norm. Yeah. 1074 00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:24,359 Speaker 6: And then he also scored thirty seven in Game five 1075 00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:28,320 Speaker 6: of the Eastern Conference Finals versus Lebron back in twenty 1076 00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:29,000 Speaker 6: fourteen to two. 1077 00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:32,239 Speaker 1: So those are some monster games. But look thirty seven 1078 00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:32,879 Speaker 1: sixteen five. 1079 00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:34,960 Speaker 6: When you're the go to guy, like you said, Trey 1080 00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:39,520 Speaker 6: just consistently the MJ like, hey just get ten sort 1081 00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:41,480 Speaker 6: of every quarter type thing, and it all adds up. 1082 00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:43,960 Speaker 6: He was awesome throughout the game. I thought the Jasser 1083 00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:46,080 Speaker 6: lost the game in the second quarter when they had 1084 00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:48,040 Speaker 6: a nine or ten point lead, because they had hit 1085 00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:51,840 Speaker 6: a million threes and had a couple possessions to really 1086 00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:54,279 Speaker 6: take complete control of the game before the half, and 1087 00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:56,879 Speaker 6: they had some turnovers, some bad misses, and then Paul 1088 00:46:56,920 --> 00:46:59,319 Speaker 6: George in that stretch go back and watch sort of 1089 00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:02,200 Speaker 6: the end of the quarter, he managed. 1090 00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:03,680 Speaker 1: To keep them I guess within five. 1091 00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:05,839 Speaker 6: If that's what you said there tray going into the half, 1092 00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:08,640 Speaker 6: like he hit that's when he was attacking. He missed 1093 00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:10,799 Speaker 6: one inside but got the rebound like twice, and like 1094 00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:12,359 Speaker 6: then was sort of flexing a little bit. 1095 00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:14,200 Speaker 1: He was instrumental in. 1096 00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:16,640 Speaker 6: Keeping the clippers, you know, just within striking distance at 1097 00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:19,239 Speaker 6: the half. And then my only final note is like 1098 00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:22,239 Speaker 6: this sort of felt like if you look at the 1099 00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:26,719 Speaker 6: game five KD Masterpiece with the nets and the contributions 1100 00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:29,120 Speaker 6: he was getting from Uncle Jeff and. 1101 00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:29,840 Speaker 1: From Blake Griffin. 1102 00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:32,239 Speaker 6: It was like that game, but like toned down, which 1103 00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:34,319 Speaker 6: is so perfect because we were just joking yesterday that 1104 00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:37,760 Speaker 6: Paul George is like the greatest player or the greatest 1105 00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:39,520 Speaker 6: third team player of all time because he has the 1106 00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:41,240 Speaker 6: most all NBA thirt team selections. 1107 00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:43,080 Speaker 1: Because it was like that, you know, PG playing the 1108 00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:46,239 Speaker 1: role of KD but toned down. That's fine, it wasn't 1109 00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:46,919 Speaker 1: forty nine. 1110 00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:49,919 Speaker 6: And then yeah, Marcus Morris sort of a toned down 1111 00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:52,279 Speaker 6: version of Uncle Jeff and what he did because he 1112 00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:54,600 Speaker 6: had twenty five points ten of sixteen from the field, 1113 00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:56,680 Speaker 6: a lot of threes. And then Reggie Jackson, I guess 1114 00:47:56,719 --> 00:47:59,080 Speaker 6: playing the role of sort of Blake Griffin there with 1115 00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:01,359 Speaker 6: his big shots and timely shots with twenty two but 1116 00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:03,560 Speaker 6: like a toned well, that was more even I guess 1117 00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:06,880 Speaker 6: with r Reggie did so. Yeah, do you think showed 1118 00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:10,319 Speaker 6: its third team to every basket? Yeah, PG third team 1119 00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:11,239 Speaker 6: we're now calling him. 1120 00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:14,000 Speaker 1: He was awesome. He was awesome. 1121 00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:16,240 Speaker 6: So it was a great game as an impressive victory. 1122 00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:18,759 Speaker 6: I feel bad for the Jazz with basically having a 1123 00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:20,560 Speaker 6: hobbled back quarter or one of them not even playing. 1124 00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:21,920 Speaker 1: But we'll see what happens. 1125 00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:23,960 Speaker 6: I mean, just when we think we figure out these series, 1126 00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:26,840 Speaker 6: the opposite comes true, the opposite thing happens. 1127 00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:29,400 Speaker 5: So I'm not It's very weird though, to be like, 1128 00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:31,600 Speaker 5: the Jazz have to figure out how to play defense 1129 00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:32,000 Speaker 5: in this sea. 1130 00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:32,600 Speaker 1: That's weird. 1131 00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:33,759 Speaker 4: Why is that the case? 1132 00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:37,080 Speaker 5: You know, it's the superstars are getting whatever they want, 1133 00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:40,200 Speaker 5: whether it be Paul George or Kawhi Leonard. Previously, Reggie 1134 00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:43,200 Speaker 5: Jackson can get a shot off anytime he wants to, 1135 00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:45,279 Speaker 5: and then there are wide open threes for the rest 1136 00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:47,520 Speaker 5: of the Clippers as well. I was told the Jazz were. 1137 00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:49,840 Speaker 4: A good defensive team. That's where they make their money. 1138 00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:53,279 Speaker 5: That's their basis of their team, that's their identity, and 1139 00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:55,520 Speaker 5: they're just not able to get stops at all. And 1140 00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:57,520 Speaker 5: that is the crazy thing to me. They've been turned 1141 00:48:57,560 --> 00:49:00,440 Speaker 5: into a three point shooting offense only team, and that's 1142 00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:02,640 Speaker 5: not their identity for the past five seasons. They got 1143 00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:04,600 Speaker 5: to get back to it in Game six if they're 1144 00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:05,840 Speaker 5: going to have any sort of a chance. 1145 00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:09,440 Speaker 6: Fifty minutes in My god, do we like basketball or what? 1146 00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:11,680 Speaker 6: Let's take our first break to hear from our sponsors. 1147 00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:15,560 Speaker 6: All right back with no dunks. Get your thumbs ready, 1148 00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:23,000 Speaker 6: It's time for the updown report. Yeah, let's see those 1149 00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:25,600 Speaker 6: thumbs up or thumbs down in the stream. 1150 00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:26,880 Speaker 1: Team first one guys. 1151 00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:30,640 Speaker 6: Amid a rash of injuries to star players during these playoffs, 1152 00:49:30,719 --> 00:49:34,360 Speaker 6: Lebron took the league to task on Twitter yesterday for 1153 00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:37,000 Speaker 6: starting the season just two months after the twenty twenty 1154 00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:39,600 Speaker 6: NBA Finals, an issue he was vocal about when the 1155 00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:42,600 Speaker 6: schedule initially was announced. I'll quoe him a little bit here. 1156 00:49:42,719 --> 00:49:44,640 Speaker 6: They all didn't want to listen to me about the 1157 00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:47,000 Speaker 6: start of the season. I knew exactly what would happen, 1158 00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:49,959 Speaker 6: Lebron wrote, I only wanted to protect the well being 1159 00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:54,080 Speaker 6: of the players, which ultimately is the product and benefit 1160 00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:57,040 Speaker 6: of our game, and we went on to say in 1161 00:49:57,080 --> 00:49:59,520 Speaker 6: some other tweets, if there's one person that knows about 1162 00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:02,799 Speaker 6: the body and how it works all year round, it's me. 1163 00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:05,200 Speaker 6: I speak for the health of all our players, and 1164 00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:06,800 Speaker 6: I hate to see this many injuries this time of 1165 00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:07,080 Speaker 6: the year. 1166 00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:09,080 Speaker 1: Sorry, fans. Again, he had a lot of tweets, so 1167 00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:10,440 Speaker 1: you can go seek those out if you want to. 1168 00:50:10,520 --> 00:50:14,719 Speaker 6: So up or down on Lebron's comments here about predicting 1169 00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:19,040 Speaker 6: the injuries after that quick season turnaround, Tess, Well, if. 1170 00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:22,120 Speaker 7: You remember, way back before the season started, the guy 1171 00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:24,840 Speaker 7: he won a championship with last year, Danny Green said, 1172 00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:27,279 Speaker 7: just wait, just wait, Lebron is gonna sit out the 1173 00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:29,480 Speaker 7: first month of the season because he knows his body 1174 00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:32,440 Speaker 7: that well. But Lebron didn't and maybe because he's a 1175 00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:34,960 Speaker 7: company man, just like us with the athletic maybe the 1176 00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:39,040 Speaker 7: NBA said to him, hey, listen, we got to start early. 1177 00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:40,120 Speaker 3: You're gonna have to play. 1178 00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:42,520 Speaker 7: Don't sit out for whatever the reason though, that would 1179 00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:46,879 Speaker 7: have been the time to stand up and make some 1180 00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:50,440 Speaker 7: sort of statement then, but unfortunately the season started, he 1181 00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:53,480 Speaker 7: played through, he did get injured, and now he's he's 1182 00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:56,239 Speaker 7: making these statements as we all are wondering what the 1183 00:50:56,280 --> 00:50:58,040 Speaker 7: hell was going on? And we're all sad that we 1184 00:50:58,080 --> 00:51:00,880 Speaker 7: see these guys go down, But he made the statement 1185 00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:05,600 Speaker 7: after Kawhi Leonard went down. And a guy who managed 1186 00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:09,040 Speaker 7: his load all season long. He played into the second 1187 00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:11,200 Speaker 7: round last year, and he only played fifty two of 1188 00:51:11,239 --> 00:51:14,719 Speaker 7: seventy two games this year. How can you tie that 1189 00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:16,960 Speaker 7: one to playing too much this season? 1190 00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:19,759 Speaker 3: You can't. I mean, it's not. 1191 00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:22,880 Speaker 7: And in that same series, you got Mike Conley on 1192 00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:25,120 Speaker 7: the other side, who's not playing in the second round. 1193 00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:27,600 Speaker 7: He played one round of the playoffs last year with 1194 00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:32,120 Speaker 7: the Utah Jazz, and he had several months off before 1195 00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:35,240 Speaker 7: the season. Now he's hurt. He had a hamstring setback 1196 00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:38,680 Speaker 7: during this series. Like all these things, I bring those 1197 00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:40,480 Speaker 7: two up because all of them are case by case. 1198 00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:43,560 Speaker 7: I know it's fun to summarize it in one hundred 1199 00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:45,919 Speaker 7: and forty characters or two hundred and eighty characters. However, 1200 00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:48,520 Speaker 7: many Twitter's got going on right now, and that makes 1201 00:51:48,520 --> 00:51:53,840 Speaker 7: the headlines. And there are actual people with medical background 1202 00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:56,200 Speaker 7: studying this stuff, and so you shouldn't take it for me. 1203 00:51:56,800 --> 00:51:59,239 Speaker 7: Probably shouldn't even take it from Lebron. You probably should 1204 00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:01,440 Speaker 7: take it from doctor to understand you know, guys like 1205 00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:03,839 Speaker 7: maybe Jamal Murray is a case of having played too 1206 00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:07,360 Speaker 7: much last year, going to the Conference finals and getting 1207 00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:08,719 Speaker 7: hurt during the season this year. 1208 00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:11,719 Speaker 3: But it is case by case, and I. 1209 00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:15,640 Speaker 7: Think now at this point, Lebron, you know, he I 1210 00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:17,480 Speaker 7: guess he was a company man at the beginning of 1211 00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:17,880 Speaker 7: the season. 1212 00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:18,719 Speaker 3: He played through it. 1213 00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:21,480 Speaker 7: He said the All Star Game was a horrendous idea 1214 00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:26,280 Speaker 7: different reasons, the COVID reasons. You know, he he suited 1215 00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:28,600 Speaker 7: up for that as well. Uh, and he you know, 1216 00:52:28,680 --> 00:52:30,920 Speaker 7: he made a statement at the same time. You know, 1217 00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:33,960 Speaker 7: he did suit up. So at this point, yeah, you 1218 00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:37,160 Speaker 7: can say it, but it's a little too little, too late. 1219 00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:42,080 Speaker 7: You know, the the players, they agreed to it. When 1220 00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:44,040 Speaker 7: it when all of a sudden done, they agreed to it. 1221 00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:47,600 Speaker 7: And if you want to stop the season now for 1222 00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:49,759 Speaker 7: a couple of weeks off, I'm all for it. I mean, 1223 00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:52,720 Speaker 7: we stopped we stopped the season last year for three months. 1224 00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:56,239 Speaker 7: Everything worked out fine. Uh, you know, I guess it 1225 00:52:56,280 --> 00:52:59,560 Speaker 7: was three plus months and uh, you know, just stop it. 1226 00:52:59,719 --> 00:53:00,799 Speaker 3: Let why I come back. 1227 00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:04,680 Speaker 6: Sounds like you're saying, hey, Lebron, write your tweets when 1228 00:53:04,719 --> 00:53:08,240 Speaker 6: the ACL injury is in the air. Maybe the timing 1229 00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:10,440 Speaker 6: of this, but yeah, he's been he's been consistent. You 1230 00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:13,000 Speaker 6: got to admit that with Lebron, with how he feels 1231 00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:16,319 Speaker 6: about what his union did ultimately agree to, Like you 1232 00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:18,560 Speaker 6: said to us, like in terms of coming back for 1233 00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:21,080 Speaker 6: the business side of things and playing the All Star 1234 00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:22,160 Speaker 6: Game and all that, what. 1235 00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:23,640 Speaker 1: Do you think Lee sums up or thumbs down? 1236 00:53:23,680 --> 00:53:23,799 Speaker 4: Though? 1237 00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:26,480 Speaker 1: On Lebron? You know, a little twenty twenty highsight here 1238 00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:27,160 Speaker 1: with these tweets. 1239 00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:29,120 Speaker 2: I'm sort of a bit of a botha because I 1240 00:53:29,160 --> 00:53:31,160 Speaker 2: agree with him to one point and I disagree with 1241 00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:33,080 Speaker 2: him on other points. Look, we knew it was all 1242 00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:35,080 Speaker 2: about money, and that's pretty clear. The owners are like, 1243 00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:37,759 Speaker 2: we need you back quickly as possible because we lost 1244 00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:39,480 Speaker 2: so much revenue last year. We want to get as 1245 00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:42,880 Speaker 2: many games into it this year, so we're starting a 1246 00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:47,040 Speaker 2: couple of days before Christmas, and ultimately the players did say, okay, 1247 00:53:47,120 --> 00:53:48,880 Speaker 2: we're going to do it. So once you agree to that, 1248 00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:50,920 Speaker 2: then you sort of have to understand that you're going 1249 00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:52,879 Speaker 2: to be playing seventy two games. It was a very 1250 00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:55,760 Speaker 2: condensed schedule, compacted schedule, a lot more backs to backs 1251 00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:57,799 Speaker 2: than that. The Dad Adams still was trying to get 1252 00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:00,480 Speaker 2: away from. But then you also have situations where the 1253 00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:02,760 Speaker 2: league saying, you know, okay, if you're on a national 1254 00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:05,000 Speaker 2: TV game, you cannot rest healthy players. We're going to 1255 00:54:05,080 --> 00:54:06,920 Speaker 2: find you. But at the same time, you've got the 1256 00:54:07,040 --> 00:54:09,840 Speaker 2: oak claima city thunder, for example, sat Al Hawford, you 1257 00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:11,359 Speaker 2: can just sit at home for as long as you want. 1258 00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:13,880 Speaker 2: The Cavs did something similar with Andre Drummond. So there 1259 00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:16,440 Speaker 2: seems to be a little bit of that hypocrisy if 1260 00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:18,440 Speaker 2: you like, of like, we want everyone playing, but you 1261 00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:19,719 Speaker 2: know what, if you don't want a guy to play, 1262 00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:22,000 Speaker 2: you don't have to play him either. So I think 1263 00:54:22,040 --> 00:54:24,560 Speaker 2: that's a part of it. And the fact that Lebron 1264 00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:26,960 Speaker 2: suffered the most serious layoff of his career as well. 1265 00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:29,440 Speaker 2: He's probably still a bit, you know, hurt from that, 1266 00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:32,480 Speaker 2: where he's like, listen, it affected me, it affected Anthony Davis. 1267 00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:34,960 Speaker 2: And now in the playoffs, we're seeing so many guys 1268 00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:38,759 Speaker 2: star names missing out potentially because of the workload. But 1269 00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:42,080 Speaker 2: injuries happen all the time. You know, acls are going 1270 00:54:42,160 --> 00:54:44,080 Speaker 2: to get blown out no matter what happens, because it's 1271 00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:46,760 Speaker 2: just the way it goes. Hamstrings the same. These things 1272 00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:49,120 Speaker 2: have been a part of a professional sport forever and 1273 00:54:49,120 --> 00:54:51,960 Speaker 2: they will continue to be. So I think that's sort 1274 00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:53,960 Speaker 2: of where I sort of don't agree with Lebron. But 1275 00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:58,000 Speaker 2: I also think, look, this schedule this season was definitely crazy, 1276 00:54:58,040 --> 00:54:59,719 Speaker 2: and I think there probably has put a little bit 1277 00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:02,160 Speaker 2: more pressure on players to get out there and perform 1278 00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:04,040 Speaker 2: when they would normally get a bit more rest. So 1279 00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:06,160 Speaker 2: I think he's got a case in some parts, but 1280 00:55:06,239 --> 00:55:08,880 Speaker 2: I also sort of think maybe not as well, because 1281 00:55:09,080 --> 00:55:10,520 Speaker 2: injuries are just a part of the game. 1282 00:55:10,640 --> 00:55:10,839 Speaker 1: Tray. 1283 00:55:12,120 --> 00:55:14,000 Speaker 5: Yeah, I think he's right on a lot of this, 1284 00:55:14,120 --> 00:55:16,080 Speaker 5: and I do think that Lebron has been consistent the 1285 00:55:16,239 --> 00:55:18,680 Speaker 5: entire time through. We heard the Danny Green quote, and 1286 00:55:18,719 --> 00:55:21,320 Speaker 5: then Lebron was a different player than he usually is 1287 00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:23,800 Speaker 5: at the start of the season. Remember every single Lakers 1288 00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:26,920 Speaker 5: game was I'm not doing anything for the first three quarters, 1289 00:55:26,920 --> 00:55:28,480 Speaker 5: then in the fourth quarter, I'll turn it on and 1290 00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:30,560 Speaker 5: we'll try and get a win. Here about a month 1291 00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:33,720 Speaker 5: into the season, after the preseason part of the season, 1292 00:55:33,719 --> 00:55:36,160 Speaker 5: which technically was in the regular season this year, Lebron 1293 00:55:36,160 --> 00:55:38,800 Speaker 5: turned it on and he was back at Lebron Powers, 1294 00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:41,960 Speaker 5: and then he went down with an injury. So I 1295 00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:44,320 Speaker 5: think he is kind of this has been his story 1296 00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:47,520 Speaker 5: for the entire season, and I think that the condensed 1297 00:55:47,560 --> 00:55:50,359 Speaker 5: schedule certainly is having an effect. Like Kawhi Leonard got 1298 00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:53,839 Speaker 5: hurt in the playoffs, he did load manage the entire year, 1299 00:55:53,840 --> 00:55:56,360 Speaker 5: but he also played like what eight playoff games in 1300 00:55:56,400 --> 00:56:00,200 Speaker 5: sixteen days or something like that. True, Like that's something that, yeah, 1301 00:56:00,239 --> 00:56:02,600 Speaker 5: exactly right. It is condensed here in the playoffs, which 1302 00:56:02,600 --> 00:56:05,600 Speaker 5: are the most intense games, and you know, the schedule 1303 00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:08,279 Speaker 5: obviously backs up a little in the playoffs as well, 1304 00:56:08,320 --> 00:56:10,839 Speaker 5: but it seemed to be a little bit overdrive, and 1305 00:56:11,160 --> 00:56:13,719 Speaker 5: so many big names have gotten heard, and Lebron had 1306 00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:15,600 Speaker 5: said his stuff in the past. How is he not 1307 00:56:15,640 --> 00:56:17,680 Speaker 5: going to take a little bit of a victory lap here? 1308 00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:20,560 Speaker 5: How much of an effect has it had. I don't know, 1309 00:56:20,719 --> 00:56:22,719 Speaker 5: None of us really know, but I think it has 1310 00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:25,759 Speaker 5: had some sort of an effect, being it having these 1311 00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:28,880 Speaker 5: games just jammed very close to each other and having 1312 00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:31,640 Speaker 5: to ramp it up from you know, not having the 1313 00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:34,120 Speaker 5: same sort of layoff that you're used to. So there's 1314 00:56:34,160 --> 00:56:35,560 Speaker 5: got to be some sort of an effect. 1315 00:56:35,640 --> 00:56:37,000 Speaker 4: But I don't know. 1316 00:56:37,480 --> 00:56:39,520 Speaker 5: It was a tough spot for the league to have 1317 00:56:39,640 --> 00:56:43,319 Speaker 5: Lebron dunking on the league, even after all of the 1318 00:56:43,400 --> 00:56:46,720 Speaker 5: injuries that have happened. But you know, as the stream 1319 00:56:46,719 --> 00:56:48,319 Speaker 5: team is saying, would he be saying the same if 1320 00:56:48,360 --> 00:56:51,040 Speaker 5: you were still going Who knows. The thing that sucks 1321 00:56:51,080 --> 00:56:52,400 Speaker 5: is that there are a lot of guys hurt and 1322 00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:54,640 Speaker 5: it's going to be injuries. It feels like they determined 1323 00:56:54,680 --> 00:56:55,560 Speaker 5: the NBA championship. 1324 00:56:55,640 --> 00:56:56,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, unfortunately. 1325 00:56:56,880 --> 00:57:00,239 Speaker 6: That's a great point though about the actual postseason. How 1326 00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:02,640 Speaker 6: quickly they are playing these games, so they usually get 1327 00:57:02,680 --> 00:57:05,160 Speaker 6: more time, you know, between the games, like a little 1328 00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:07,080 Speaker 6: bit more. There's a lot more of those two days off, 1329 00:57:07,719 --> 00:57:09,319 Speaker 6: but it is sort of jammed in, and I think 1330 00:57:09,360 --> 00:57:11,680 Speaker 6: we focus a little bit too much on oh, the 1331 00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:13,719 Speaker 6: start of the season when they fired it up, got 1332 00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:15,680 Speaker 6: to get that Christmas Day game in and stuff like 1333 00:57:15,719 --> 00:57:18,120 Speaker 6: that and that money. But I actually think it's because 1334 00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:20,960 Speaker 6: of the Olympics this year and them trying to get 1335 00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:23,440 Speaker 6: everything wrapped up before they were going to happen here 1336 00:57:23,720 --> 00:57:26,800 Speaker 6: in Tokyo that maybe is actually causing more havoc when 1337 00:57:26,840 --> 00:57:28,920 Speaker 6: you look at when these like jamming these games, and 1338 00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:30,920 Speaker 6: if they could have just continued to play this postseason, 1339 00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:32,880 Speaker 6: it goes a little bit longer. Maybe maybe some things 1340 00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:34,840 Speaker 6: don't happen, but who knows what injuries. As you guys said, 1341 00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:35,440 Speaker 6: so I don't even. 1342 00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:37,800 Speaker 7: Go over to get playoffs aren't jammed anymore than they 1343 00:57:37,880 --> 00:57:39,240 Speaker 7: usually get. 1344 00:57:38,640 --> 00:57:40,720 Speaker 1: They're playing every second day. 1345 00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:41,560 Speaker 3: They don't think. 1346 00:57:41,480 --> 00:57:43,640 Speaker 6: A time though in the first and second round they 1347 00:57:43,680 --> 00:57:45,240 Speaker 6: get they generally get more time. 1348 00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:46,800 Speaker 3: No in the first round. 1349 00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:50,240 Speaker 7: Yeah, some some series get two days off before a 1350 00:57:50,360 --> 00:57:53,400 Speaker 7: random game, but a lot of the times it's every 1351 00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:56,720 Speaker 7: second day. I mean, it's it's the same thing. It's 1352 00:57:56,760 --> 00:57:57,560 Speaker 7: really the same thing. 1353 00:57:57,720 --> 00:57:57,840 Speaker 5: There. 1354 00:57:57,960 --> 00:57:59,919 Speaker 7: There have been series in the first round where they're 1355 00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:02,760 Speaker 7: two days off. Playoffs have been the same. 1356 00:58:03,160 --> 00:58:04,040 Speaker 1: The exact same. 1357 00:58:04,080 --> 00:58:06,440 Speaker 6: You think the window of dates from the start of 1358 00:58:06,440 --> 00:58:08,600 Speaker 6: the postseason to when it's supposed to end is the 1359 00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:09,760 Speaker 6: exact same as it always is. 1360 00:58:10,840 --> 00:58:12,840 Speaker 3: I think. So you're telling me it's not. I think 1361 00:58:12,840 --> 00:58:13,640 Speaker 3: it's a little exactly. 1362 00:58:13,760 --> 00:58:14,800 Speaker 1: Maybe I'm wrong, Maybe I'm wrong. 1363 00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:18,760 Speaker 6: Anyway, injury sick next one, Hornet's guard LaMelo Ball was 1364 00:58:18,840 --> 00:58:20,720 Speaker 6: named the NBA's Rookie of the Year on Wednesday. It 1365 00:58:20,840 --> 00:58:24,440 Speaker 6: was great timing Ball topped finalists Anthony Edwards and Tyres 1366 00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:27,240 Speaker 6: Haliburton to win the award. Third player in Charlotte history, 1367 00:58:27,240 --> 00:58:29,040 Speaker 6: Illeali to win Rookie of the Year honors. Can you 1368 00:58:29,120 --> 00:58:29,680 Speaker 6: name the other two? 1369 00:58:31,720 --> 00:58:34,520 Speaker 1: Larry Johnson, yes, and taff loves this other player? 1370 00:58:34,560 --> 00:58:36,960 Speaker 2: Oh right, yeah, the Bulbcat. 1371 00:58:37,040 --> 00:58:37,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right. 1372 00:58:38,040 --> 00:58:41,000 Speaker 6: Sadik Bay the only other rookie to even a garner 1373 00:58:41,040 --> 00:58:42,439 Speaker 6: of vote. As we show you here on the stream 1374 00:58:42,520 --> 00:58:46,840 Speaker 6: team the voting results for ROI so eighty four first 1375 00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:50,840 Speaker 6: plays votes. Tray, Are you up or down on Lamello 1376 00:58:50,920 --> 00:58:54,440 Speaker 6: winning Rookie of the Year despite missing twenty one games. 1377 00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:57,560 Speaker 5: Well, I'll start by saying I'm down on the timing, 1378 00:58:57,720 --> 00:59:00,200 Speaker 5: tough one for the league, thinking, hey, we got a 1379 00:59:00,240 --> 00:59:03,040 Speaker 5: nice wide open Wednesday, let's drop this last award here. 1380 00:59:03,080 --> 00:59:05,840 Speaker 5: Suddenly we have the busiest Wednesday in league history. But 1381 00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:08,800 Speaker 5: I'm up on the choice. I'm a big ball lever. 1382 00:59:08,920 --> 00:59:11,440 Speaker 5: I had LaMelo as Rookie of the Year before the season, 1383 00:59:11,840 --> 00:59:15,200 Speaker 5: played twenty one fewer games than Anthony Edwards, But to me, 1384 00:59:15,400 --> 00:59:17,920 Speaker 5: this is still the right choice. LaMelo was a winning 1385 00:59:17,960 --> 00:59:20,360 Speaker 5: contributor right out of the gate. It took twenty games 1386 00:59:20,360 --> 00:59:22,680 Speaker 5: for him to finally start for the Hornets, but it 1387 00:59:22,680 --> 00:59:25,120 Speaker 5: should have been earlier. You could just see that when 1388 00:59:25,280 --> 00:59:27,480 Speaker 5: he was on the court for Charlotte, they looked like 1389 00:59:27,520 --> 00:59:30,040 Speaker 5: a different team, and he elevated the Hornets and kind 1390 00:59:30,040 --> 00:59:34,120 Speaker 5: of his play style became their play style. Once he 1391 00:59:34,160 --> 00:59:37,440 Speaker 5: finally got into the starting lineup, LaMelo went twenty points, 1392 00:59:37,520 --> 00:59:40,560 Speaker 5: six rebounds, six assists for a month. Only Lebron and 1393 00:59:40,640 --> 00:59:43,640 Speaker 5: Luka Doncic had done that previously as teenagers. Then he 1394 00:59:43,640 --> 00:59:45,800 Speaker 5: broke his wrist, came back at the end of season, 1395 00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:49,320 Speaker 5: wasn't totally the same, but he finished at sixteen six 1396 00:59:49,360 --> 00:59:53,040 Speaker 5: and six solid percentages from the field, forty four field 1397 00:59:53,040 --> 00:59:55,120 Speaker 5: goal percentage, thirty five from three to seventy five from 1398 00:59:55,120 --> 00:59:58,000 Speaker 5: the line. He had highlights from the preseason to the 1399 00:59:58,160 --> 01:00:00,439 Speaker 5: end of the season, and Lee, I saw the shirt 1400 01:00:00,480 --> 01:00:00,840 Speaker 5: you got. 1401 01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:02,440 Speaker 4: This is incredible stuff. 1402 01:00:02,680 --> 01:00:05,200 Speaker 5: Is this the first time that two Rookies of the 1403 01:00:05,280 --> 01:00:08,680 Speaker 5: Year in the same jerseys in the same number have 1404 01:00:08,880 --> 01:00:10,480 Speaker 5: actually won the same award? 1405 01:00:11,120 --> 01:00:11,480 Speaker 4: I don't know. 1406 01:00:11,480 --> 01:00:14,040 Speaker 5: I haven't gone back deep into it, but uh, pretty 1407 01:00:14,080 --> 01:00:18,640 Speaker 5: crazy stuff that you know, Charlotte number two TiAl is 1408 01:00:18,640 --> 01:00:21,160 Speaker 5: going to be an iconic jersey for basketball fans and 1409 01:00:21,200 --> 01:00:23,840 Speaker 5: the nineties and now for basketball fans in the twenty 1410 01:00:23,880 --> 01:00:24,640 Speaker 5: twenties as well. 1411 01:00:25,040 --> 01:00:28,120 Speaker 2: What's also crazy is LaMelo Ball created history that will 1412 01:00:28,120 --> 01:00:31,560 Speaker 2: probably never ever happen again. He became Rookie of the 1413 01:00:31,640 --> 01:00:33,680 Speaker 2: Year two years in a row because he was the 1414 01:00:33,760 --> 01:00:36,440 Speaker 2: Rookie of the Year in Australia and now he's a 1415 01:00:36,520 --> 01:00:38,520 Speaker 2: Rookie of the Year in the NBA. So that's something 1416 01:00:38,560 --> 01:00:40,160 Speaker 2: that's never happened. 1417 01:00:40,160 --> 01:00:41,720 Speaker 1: But even Body Franklin can. 1418 01:00:41,640 --> 01:00:46,960 Speaker 2: Say that exactly. Yeah, so yeah, I mean, look, the 1419 01:00:47,080 --> 01:00:49,760 Speaker 2: only question was whether or not he was going to 1420 01:00:49,800 --> 01:00:53,000 Speaker 2: get punished for missing those games, really because he was 1421 01:00:53,080 --> 01:00:55,760 Speaker 2: the standout from the start. I mean, he had highlights, 1422 01:00:56,000 --> 01:00:58,640 Speaker 2: the Hornets were winning, he was incredibly fun to watch. 1423 01:00:58,920 --> 01:01:01,400 Speaker 2: He didn't sort of hit the rookie wall other than 1424 01:01:01,400 --> 01:01:04,440 Speaker 2: of course missing those games. And you know, the shot 1425 01:01:04,520 --> 01:01:06,520 Speaker 2: wasn't too bad. He was a great pass so he 1426 01:01:06,520 --> 01:01:09,840 Speaker 2: played defense. Eric Collins probably helped his case because he 1427 01:01:09,880 --> 01:01:12,720 Speaker 2: had so many incredible highlights that people tuned in for that. 1428 01:01:13,080 --> 01:01:15,120 Speaker 2: But I will say Anthony Edwards at least made the 1429 01:01:15,240 --> 01:01:18,000 Speaker 2: race somewhat exciting. He had a very strong sort of 1430 01:01:18,040 --> 01:01:21,040 Speaker 2: second half of the season there, and he also showed that, 1431 01:01:21,280 --> 01:01:23,440 Speaker 2: you know, he was a deserving number one pick. I mean, 1432 01:01:23,440 --> 01:01:25,400 Speaker 2: the Wolves won't be disappointed. They've got they've got a 1433 01:01:25,480 --> 01:01:28,200 Speaker 2: legit sort of star of waiting there themselves, so you know, 1434 01:01:28,320 --> 01:01:31,160 Speaker 2: that's a question. This draft was like who is the 1435 01:01:31,240 --> 01:01:33,080 Speaker 2: number one? There was three or four guys who could 1436 01:01:33,120 --> 01:01:36,240 Speaker 2: potentially be it, and I think, you know, James Wiseman 1437 01:01:36,320 --> 01:01:38,960 Speaker 2: started off well there for the Warriors, but LaMelo Ball 1438 01:01:39,160 --> 01:01:42,640 Speaker 2: was over all the standout rookie. So well done, well deserved, 1439 01:01:42,640 --> 01:01:45,080 Speaker 2: and very excited to see that he's been able to 1440 01:01:45,080 --> 01:01:47,440 Speaker 2: live up to the hype so far and see what 1441 01:01:47,440 --> 01:01:49,600 Speaker 2: he's got in the next couple of seasons for us task. 1442 01:01:49,640 --> 01:01:51,720 Speaker 6: Were you shocked at all by how many first place 1443 01:01:51,800 --> 01:01:54,400 Speaker 6: votes LaMelo got in the end, like eighty four, pretty 1444 01:01:54,440 --> 01:01:57,479 Speaker 6: significant out of what the hundred. I think some people 1445 01:01:57,480 --> 01:01:59,360 Speaker 6: thought it might be a little closer between him and 1446 01:01:59,360 --> 01:02:01,360 Speaker 6: Anthony Edwards with Ball missing those games. 1447 01:02:01,360 --> 01:02:02,120 Speaker 1: Would you take. 1448 01:02:02,920 --> 01:02:05,000 Speaker 7: Yeah, I agree with some people. I thought that it 1449 01:02:05,040 --> 01:02:09,040 Speaker 7: would be a lot closer. But I'm looking forward to 1450 01:02:09,120 --> 01:02:12,320 Speaker 7: year two. I mean, I think LaMelo was fantastic this year. 1451 01:02:12,400 --> 01:02:17,040 Speaker 7: Anthony Edwards came on a little too late, So second season, 1452 01:02:17,040 --> 01:02:19,320 Speaker 7: I'm looking forward to seeing who will be the best 1453 01:02:19,360 --> 01:02:20,480 Speaker 7: player of those two guys. 1454 01:02:20,520 --> 01:02:21,760 Speaker 3: I think Anthony edwards. 1455 01:02:21,520 --> 01:02:23,640 Speaker 7: Ceiling is a little higher and he showed that in 1456 01:02:23,680 --> 01:02:25,440 Speaker 7: the second half, But LaMelo. 1457 01:02:25,600 --> 01:02:26,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, the Hornets have to. 1458 01:02:26,800 --> 01:02:32,240 Speaker 7: Be hugely, hugely happy that they got that guy at 1459 01:02:32,280 --> 01:02:34,520 Speaker 7: number three, that he fell to them at number three, 1460 01:02:34,640 --> 01:02:37,480 Speaker 7: And I'm looking forward to James Wiseman in year two. 1461 01:02:37,520 --> 01:02:39,200 Speaker 7: I think, yeah, he had some serious ups and downs 1462 01:02:39,240 --> 01:02:42,120 Speaker 7: in a rookie as a rookie, but that always helps 1463 01:02:42,160 --> 01:02:44,240 Speaker 7: out going into year two. You know, I think he's 1464 01:02:44,520 --> 01:02:46,880 Speaker 7: he's not going to fade away. Some guys fade away 1465 01:02:46,880 --> 01:02:51,160 Speaker 7: from the the difficult you know, the injuries and not 1466 01:02:51,240 --> 01:02:53,120 Speaker 7: being part of the rotation, be put to the bench 1467 01:02:53,160 --> 01:02:53,600 Speaker 7: and all that. 1468 01:02:53,680 --> 01:02:55,400 Speaker 3: But I think he'll bounce back. So we Yeah, we 1469 01:02:55,440 --> 01:02:56,840 Speaker 3: got a great rookie class. 1470 01:02:57,000 --> 01:02:58,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, Ball was awesome. 1471 01:02:58,280 --> 01:03:01,680 Speaker 6: I was skeptical an all them press with highlights I 1472 01:03:01,760 --> 01:03:03,680 Speaker 6: was watching in Australia. I'll tell you that I was like, 1473 01:03:03,800 --> 01:03:07,000 Speaker 6: really this guy and he was awesome. He was absolutely incredible. 1474 01:03:07,040 --> 01:03:08,720 Speaker 6: He was coming off the bench too, until the point 1475 01:03:08,760 --> 01:03:11,160 Speaker 6: where they're like you better start him. He should be 1476 01:03:11,160 --> 01:03:13,840 Speaker 6: playing for you. And then I forgot that. The Hornets 1477 01:03:13,840 --> 01:03:15,680 Speaker 6: got as high as number four in the East standings 1478 01:03:15,960 --> 01:03:18,040 Speaker 6: at one point and then Ball gets hurt, Gordon Hayward 1479 01:03:18,040 --> 01:03:19,600 Speaker 6: gets hurt, and you know, sort of the season falls 1480 01:03:19,600 --> 01:03:22,000 Speaker 6: apart then you know they make the play in tournament 1481 01:03:22,080 --> 01:03:24,840 Speaker 6: or whatever. But that was pretty amazing. He was awesome, 1482 01:03:25,000 --> 01:03:27,720 Speaker 6: not only the numbers, but like contributing to a winning team. 1483 01:03:28,360 --> 01:03:29,040 Speaker 1: You know, it would have been. 1484 01:03:28,960 --> 01:03:31,040 Speaker 6: Nice if the Wolves were maybe I guess they what 1485 01:03:31,160 --> 01:03:33,760 Speaker 6: they had a little stretch there late where they they 1486 01:03:33,840 --> 01:03:35,800 Speaker 6: won some games, but they just had such a bad 1487 01:03:35,840 --> 01:03:39,000 Speaker 6: season from the jump that that also hurt Anthony Edwards case. 1488 01:03:39,080 --> 01:03:41,240 Speaker 6: I do have one final trivia question for you guys 1489 01:03:41,720 --> 01:03:43,880 Speaker 6: along the lines here of all this Rookie of the Year, 1490 01:03:44,280 --> 01:03:46,960 Speaker 6: you know, winnings and guys not playing a lot of games, 1491 01:03:47,440 --> 01:03:50,600 Speaker 6: can you name in modern NBA times? Right, So, since 1492 01:03:50,640 --> 01:03:55,440 Speaker 6: we've been watching around guys that have played fewer games 1493 01:03:55,440 --> 01:03:58,080 Speaker 6: to win Rookie of the Year than what we got 1494 01:03:58,080 --> 01:03:59,240 Speaker 6: here from LaMelo. 1495 01:03:58,880 --> 01:04:01,800 Speaker 2: Ball, what's his name? 1496 01:04:04,960 --> 01:04:05,200 Speaker 1: Beat? 1497 01:04:07,040 --> 01:04:08,560 Speaker 6: So I'm gonna give you some hints here because it's 1498 01:04:08,560 --> 01:04:11,040 Speaker 6: gonna be difficult. Two guys, you know, one's in the 1499 01:04:11,080 --> 01:04:13,120 Speaker 6: Hall of Fame and then one's probably on his way 1500 01:04:13,160 --> 01:04:15,840 Speaker 6: to the Hall of Fame after a very incredible second 1501 01:04:15,920 --> 01:04:20,240 Speaker 6: half to his career. Tasks knows him well. Vince Vince 1502 01:04:20,280 --> 01:04:22,600 Speaker 6: played fifty games in an eighty two game season and 1503 01:04:22,640 --> 01:04:24,400 Speaker 6: he won, and then the other guy, Hall of Famer 1504 01:04:24,600 --> 01:04:30,240 Speaker 6: sweaty Man, big guy Patrick Huey. Yeah, Patrick Ewing in 1505 01:04:30,280 --> 01:04:32,480 Speaker 6: his eighty two game season, and then Ball is tied 1506 01:04:32,520 --> 01:04:35,400 Speaker 6: with Kyrie Irving just below those guys. I think I'm 1507 01:04:35,400 --> 01:04:37,360 Speaker 6: playing in what like whatever it is, fifty one games, 1508 01:04:37,360 --> 01:04:40,280 Speaker 6: but Ball has the shortened season because of COVID, and 1509 01:04:40,320 --> 01:04:42,520 Speaker 6: then Kyrie had the shortened season because of the lockout 1510 01:04:42,560 --> 01:04:43,720 Speaker 6: there in twenty eleven. 1511 01:04:43,960 --> 01:04:46,280 Speaker 2: Lay McDaniel when I had him on poppin packs last. 1512 01:04:46,360 --> 01:04:49,560 Speaker 2: He's still salty that Patrick Ewing got Rookie of the Year. 1513 01:04:49,880 --> 01:04:52,480 Speaker 2: I believe that you played all eighty two games, put 1514 01:04:52,520 --> 01:04:54,920 Speaker 2: up good numbers, but you know what it was New 1515 01:04:55,000 --> 01:04:55,440 Speaker 2: York man. 1516 01:04:55,480 --> 01:04:58,720 Speaker 1: They wanted the Knicks, they wanted the East Coast New 1517 01:04:58,800 --> 01:04:59,800 Speaker 1: York bias. 1518 01:05:00,920 --> 01:05:03,640 Speaker 3: Through today. This was the lockouts, lockouts. 1519 01:05:03,800 --> 01:05:05,560 Speaker 1: Well, he was lockout season too, that's correct. Yeah, I 1520 01:05:05,600 --> 01:05:06,520 Speaker 1: wasn't said in this article. 1521 01:05:06,560 --> 01:05:08,840 Speaker 4: It's a great point, but he think he played a 1522 01:05:09,440 --> 01:05:10,320 Speaker 4: fifteen fifty. 1523 01:05:10,440 --> 01:05:13,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, then that's my bad. Good catch. That's also on 1524 01:05:13,120 --> 01:05:14,720 Speaker 1: U ESPN. That's on you. 1525 01:05:16,080 --> 01:05:18,760 Speaker 6: I was taking you out your award there final one here. 1526 01:05:19,000 --> 01:05:22,200 Speaker 6: According to the Athletics NBA reporters, Damian Lillard and Draymond 1527 01:05:22,240 --> 01:05:24,800 Speaker 6: Green are among the initial commitments to Team USA for 1528 01:05:24,880 --> 01:05:27,919 Speaker 6: the Tokyo Olympics this summer. Dame, It's gonna be playing 1529 01:05:27,920 --> 01:05:30,320 Speaker 6: in his first Olympics. In theory here if these reports 1530 01:05:30,320 --> 01:05:33,080 Speaker 6: are true after dropping out of consideration for the twenty 1531 01:05:33,120 --> 01:05:35,720 Speaker 6: sixteen Games, where the US men's team won its third 1532 01:05:35,720 --> 01:05:37,760 Speaker 6: consecutive gold and Draymond, of course was on that team 1533 01:05:37,760 --> 01:05:40,040 Speaker 6: that finished eight to no. So upper down, Ley, It's 1534 01:05:40,040 --> 01:05:41,200 Speaker 6: a bit of a weird question, but I wanted to 1535 01:05:41,200 --> 01:05:44,600 Speaker 6: slip this news in on Lillard and Draymond reportedly playing 1536 01:05:44,600 --> 01:05:46,240 Speaker 6: for Team USA here at the Tokyo Olympics. 1537 01:05:46,320 --> 01:05:47,880 Speaker 1: Dumbs up this guy, ye look. 1538 01:05:47,920 --> 01:05:51,680 Speaker 2: Look. In the twenty nineteen Feeble World Cup, the US 1539 01:05:51,720 --> 01:05:54,120 Speaker 2: team rolled out a couple of players like Mason Plumbley 1540 01:05:54,200 --> 01:05:58,720 Speaker 2: Brook Lopez, you know, Chris Middleton, Marcus Smotty, solid NBA veterans. 1541 01:05:58,720 --> 01:06:00,720 Speaker 2: The biggest thought was probably don't have and Mitchell, even 1542 01:06:00,720 --> 01:06:02,840 Speaker 2: though he wasn't quite the starr he is right now. 1543 01:06:03,160 --> 01:06:06,000 Speaker 2: I think it's so important to have the biggest names 1544 01:06:06,040 --> 01:06:09,240 Speaker 2: possible representing the USA because it's like Brazil and sockey. 1545 01:06:09,280 --> 01:06:11,080 Speaker 2: You want to see the big names now, No Lebron's 1546 01:06:11,080 --> 01:06:13,200 Speaker 2: already said he's not playing, and a few other guys 1547 01:06:13,200 --> 01:06:15,400 Speaker 2: as well, those super big names. That's all right, Lebron's 1548 01:06:15,400 --> 01:06:17,560 Speaker 2: played in the past. You don't have to play every Olympics. 1549 01:06:17,600 --> 01:06:20,800 Speaker 2: But Lilard I want to see their Steph hasn't committed yet. 1550 01:06:20,840 --> 01:06:23,240 Speaker 2: I hope he plays. I just think it brings something 1551 01:06:23,280 --> 01:06:26,040 Speaker 2: to the tournament when the best NBA players, the best 1552 01:06:26,040 --> 01:06:28,800 Speaker 2: American players are all like I'm in now. If you're injured, 1553 01:06:28,840 --> 01:06:31,080 Speaker 2: you get a pass, that's fine, But otherwise I'd love 1554 01:06:31,120 --> 01:06:32,960 Speaker 2: to see guys there because it just makes the tournament 1555 01:06:33,040 --> 01:06:36,120 Speaker 2: so much more special. And Draymond why, maybe doesn't have 1556 01:06:36,120 --> 01:06:38,480 Speaker 2: the same appeal globally for the game in the style 1557 01:06:38,560 --> 01:06:40,560 Speaker 2: that he plays. I think Lilid is one of those 1558 01:06:40,560 --> 01:06:42,919 Speaker 2: ones that people like, Awesome. Yeah, Lilid is a dude 1559 01:06:42,960 --> 01:06:44,760 Speaker 2: I want to see play because he's a big time 1560 01:06:44,800 --> 01:06:46,160 Speaker 2: player and he's fun to watch. 1561 01:06:46,320 --> 01:06:48,200 Speaker 1: I think it's so import you know. 1562 01:06:48,600 --> 01:06:51,400 Speaker 2: Look, the USA said the other day they automatically enter 1563 01:06:51,440 --> 01:06:54,040 Speaker 2: any basketball tournament as the favorite, no matter which team 1564 01:06:54,080 --> 01:06:56,520 Speaker 2: they put forward. And while they didnim win in China, 1565 01:06:57,200 --> 01:06:59,680 Speaker 2: it wasn't like overcoming the dream Team. You know, it 1566 01:06:59,720 --> 01:07:01,320 Speaker 2: was kind of like, well, they had their sort of 1567 01:07:01,400 --> 01:07:03,800 Speaker 2: third line, third string of players out there. I want 1568 01:07:03,800 --> 01:07:07,240 Speaker 2: to see the best American team possible within reason, as 1569 01:07:07,280 --> 01:07:09,040 Speaker 2: I say, because some guys who have played in the 1570 01:07:09,040 --> 01:07:11,120 Speaker 2: past they don't have to or if they're injured, or 1571 01:07:11,120 --> 01:07:14,200 Speaker 2: if they're later in their career. But hopefully by someone 1572 01:07:14,280 --> 01:07:16,880 Speaker 2: like Lillard saying I mean that will encourage some of 1573 01:07:16,920 --> 01:07:18,640 Speaker 2: those others who are perhaps on the fringe to say, 1574 01:07:18,640 --> 01:07:20,280 Speaker 2: all right, yeah, well let's do it. Let's go ahead 1575 01:07:20,560 --> 01:07:22,440 Speaker 2: and get this gold medal back and show that we 1576 01:07:22,480 --> 01:07:24,880 Speaker 2: are the best nation in the world, because you know 1577 01:07:25,000 --> 01:07:27,680 Speaker 2: they're not right now in terms of World Championship honors. 1578 01:07:28,240 --> 01:07:28,920 Speaker 1: Trey, what do you think? 1579 01:07:29,880 --> 01:07:30,680 Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm like Lee. 1580 01:07:30,720 --> 01:07:34,360 Speaker 5: I love seeing a Damian Lillard saying yes to the team. 1581 01:07:34,520 --> 01:07:37,960 Speaker 5: And for Lillard, he's got to see the writing on 1582 01:07:38,000 --> 01:07:41,760 Speaker 5: the wall that this is a huge opportunity for him 1583 01:07:41,800 --> 01:07:45,360 Speaker 5: to maybe be the star of the USA's team. Considering 1584 01:07:45,360 --> 01:07:47,360 Speaker 5: we know that Lebron is not going to be playing, 1585 01:07:47,400 --> 01:07:49,520 Speaker 5: Anthony Davis isn't going to be playing. My guess is 1586 01:07:49,520 --> 01:07:52,160 Speaker 5: that a lot of the stars end up saying no here, 1587 01:07:52,240 --> 01:07:55,200 Speaker 5: and maybe Lillard is the star of the team in 1588 01:07:55,240 --> 01:07:58,160 Speaker 5: his first Olympics team and wins the gold medal. But 1589 01:07:58,200 --> 01:07:59,840 Speaker 5: that's the weird thing to me is I'm a little 1590 01:07:59,880 --> 01:08:03,400 Speaker 5: bit down considering that we just went through a bubble season. 1591 01:08:03,640 --> 01:08:06,080 Speaker 5: We just went through this season where Lebron is saying 1592 01:08:06,680 --> 01:08:09,360 Speaker 5: the shortened off season has caused a ton of injuries. 1593 01:08:09,560 --> 01:08:11,640 Speaker 5: And now if you're choosing to play in the Olympics, 1594 01:08:12,200 --> 01:08:15,200 Speaker 5: you're choosing to shorten your offseason again before heading into 1595 01:08:15,440 --> 01:08:18,360 Speaker 5: next NBA season, which is going to start basically on time. 1596 01:08:18,520 --> 01:08:21,720 Speaker 5: So I'm up as a team USA Basketball fan, But 1597 01:08:22,240 --> 01:08:24,760 Speaker 5: if I'm the Warriors, and especially if I'm the Blazers, 1598 01:08:24,800 --> 01:08:26,599 Speaker 5: I'm a little bit down on this. I mean, you're 1599 01:08:26,600 --> 01:08:29,160 Speaker 5: not gonna tell Damian Lillard don't go play in the Olympics, 1600 01:08:29,560 --> 01:08:32,720 Speaker 5: but he is your superstar and he's the only thing 1601 01:08:32,720 --> 01:08:34,800 Speaker 5: holding that team together right now. So they got to 1602 01:08:34,840 --> 01:08:37,439 Speaker 5: be shaken in their trailblazing boots a little bit. 1603 01:08:38,240 --> 01:08:39,280 Speaker 4: But I'm with you, Lee. 1604 01:08:39,439 --> 01:08:42,200 Speaker 5: After the twenty nineteen Feeble World Cup, got to send 1605 01:08:42,240 --> 01:08:43,880 Speaker 5: some of the best guys out there and try and 1606 01:08:43,880 --> 01:08:44,599 Speaker 5: get that gold again. 1607 01:08:44,640 --> 01:08:46,519 Speaker 6: Yeah, these guys are thirty one years old too, right, 1608 01:08:46,640 --> 01:08:49,519 Speaker 6: Willard and Draymond you know they're not you know, young 1609 01:08:49,560 --> 01:08:51,559 Speaker 6: guys here, so they've already got a lot of mileage 1610 01:08:51,560 --> 01:08:51,800 Speaker 6: on them. 1611 01:08:51,800 --> 01:08:54,040 Speaker 1: But what do you think, Tess, Yeah, I'm with Trey. 1612 01:08:54,080 --> 01:08:57,400 Speaker 7: I think we've kind of seen the limit on guys 1613 01:08:57,439 --> 01:08:59,760 Speaker 7: who are gonna go, like guys who are either didn't 1614 01:08:59,800 --> 01:09:03,160 Speaker 7: make the postseason, you know, like Draymond, or guys who 1615 01:09:03,240 --> 01:09:07,360 Speaker 7: made the first round like Damian Lillard. Like, I think 1616 01:09:07,360 --> 01:09:09,439 Speaker 7: that's the sort of the extent of it, because yeah, 1617 01:09:09,680 --> 01:09:11,600 Speaker 7: I think Lebron's words carry a lot of weight. So 1618 01:09:11,680 --> 01:09:15,679 Speaker 7: guys see that, hear that and say, probably not gonna 1619 01:09:15,680 --> 01:09:16,439 Speaker 7: extend it too far. 1620 01:09:16,439 --> 01:09:17,320 Speaker 3: I think, yeah, you should be. 1621 01:09:17,320 --> 01:09:20,559 Speaker 7: Worried if you're a Blazers fan because Damian Lillard, you know, 1622 01:09:20,680 --> 01:09:22,240 Speaker 7: did hit a bit of a wall this season, even 1623 01:09:22,240 --> 01:09:25,720 Speaker 7: though he was absolutely incredible. So yeah, it's gonna be 1624 01:09:25,920 --> 01:09:29,439 Speaker 7: it's gonna be something that people watch. But yeah, as 1625 01:09:29,520 --> 01:09:33,720 Speaker 7: much as I want everybody to go, I think we're yeah, 1626 01:09:33,720 --> 01:09:36,360 Speaker 7: we're not gonna see guys who are playing right now, 1627 01:09:36,680 --> 01:09:39,080 Speaker 7: even in the second round, go at all and nobody 1628 01:09:39,120 --> 01:09:40,960 Speaker 7: in the conference finals were in the finals. 1629 01:09:41,000 --> 01:09:42,840 Speaker 3: They're just gonna pass this one up. 1630 01:09:42,920 --> 01:09:46,240 Speaker 7: Unfortunately, until we get back to regular times. 1631 01:09:46,360 --> 01:09:49,639 Speaker 6: Yeah, I think maybe the biggest name we could expect 1632 01:09:49,640 --> 01:09:52,120 Speaker 6: to be on this team besides Lillard. By all reports, 1633 01:09:52,200 --> 01:09:56,320 Speaker 6: Joe Varden Jason Tatum is possibly considered going and playing 1634 01:09:56,360 --> 01:09:58,200 Speaker 6: in this And there's a you know, obviously a younger guy, 1635 01:09:58,240 --> 01:10:00,360 Speaker 6: and he hasn't played on this team before or so 1636 01:10:00,640 --> 01:10:02,519 Speaker 6: that could be a huge I mean, he's a big draw. 1637 01:10:02,360 --> 01:10:04,799 Speaker 1: He's a huge name, and he would obviously help their chances. 1638 01:10:05,680 --> 01:10:08,360 Speaker 1: He played the work up, yeah, but not the Olympics. 1639 01:10:08,400 --> 01:10:09,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, that Olympics. 1640 01:10:09,840 --> 01:10:10,280 Speaker 1: We'll see. 1641 01:10:10,479 --> 01:10:13,880 Speaker 6: Can we get Fiba Mellow playing in the tm USA again? 1642 01:10:13,960 --> 01:10:15,880 Speaker 1: Go for another goal? Maybe Lillard will get him there. 1643 01:10:16,400 --> 01:10:19,920 Speaker 5: Sure, why not, Olympic legend, bring him off the bench. 1644 01:10:19,920 --> 01:10:21,840 Speaker 5: He needs somebody to knock down a couple of three 1645 01:10:22,080 --> 01:10:23,840 Speaker 5: in the second half. You know, Mellow's good for it. 1646 01:10:24,000 --> 01:10:25,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, we will see. 1647 01:10:25,320 --> 01:10:27,320 Speaker 6: I can't even believe they're still having the Olympics at 1648 01:10:27,320 --> 01:10:30,920 Speaker 6: this boy, but I guess it's happening in what less 1649 01:10:30,920 --> 01:10:36,360 Speaker 6: than I don't know, not a month, getting close close. Yeah, 1650 01:10:36,360 --> 01:10:39,040 Speaker 6: they're having like a US Olympic trials are on TV 1651 01:10:39,160 --> 01:10:40,639 Speaker 6: right now for a lot of the events like swimming 1652 01:10:40,680 --> 01:10:42,839 Speaker 6: and stuff like that, So it's right around the corner. 1653 01:10:42,960 --> 01:10:45,400 Speaker 6: If they are happening. All right, let's take one more 1654 01:10:45,400 --> 01:10:48,680 Speaker 6: break till we get to tweeted the night? All right? 1655 01:10:48,760 --> 01:10:51,760 Speaker 1: JD hit us with that tweet of the night, stinger. 1656 01:10:53,600 --> 01:10:59,679 Speaker 3: Tweet out the night. Wow, TK, what do you have got, 1657 01:10:59,720 --> 01:11:00,120 Speaker 3: my man? 1658 01:11:00,200 --> 01:11:01,080 Speaker 1: What's the tweet of the night? 1659 01:11:01,920 --> 01:11:02,080 Speaker 4: Oh? 1660 01:11:02,120 --> 01:11:07,320 Speaker 5: A lot of NBA news, yesterday's skeets arena, lots of 1661 01:11:07,360 --> 01:11:11,639 Speaker 5: tweets going around, But one guy who was completely unfazed by. 1662 01:11:13,080 --> 01:11:16,320 Speaker 4: All of the news in the NBA is yelling. 1663 01:11:17,360 --> 01:11:19,360 Speaker 5: Our tweet of the night comes to us from the 1664 01:11:19,479 --> 01:11:26,320 Speaker 5: Score by way of Marco Lubra, Miminovic, Yubermirovich. Sorry, who 1665 01:11:26,360 --> 01:11:30,080 Speaker 5: says the Denver Nuggets superstar and NBA MVP Nicola Jokic 1666 01:11:30,280 --> 01:11:34,960 Speaker 5: was at the Hippodrome in his hometown of Sombor, shortly 1667 01:11:35,080 --> 01:11:37,840 Speaker 5: after he landed in Serbia earlier today. He announced that 1668 01:11:37,880 --> 01:11:41,000 Speaker 5: he won't be playing for his national team this summer 1669 01:11:41,520 --> 01:11:45,040 Speaker 5: because apparently he's too busy riding around on a horse 1670 01:11:45,320 --> 01:11:49,880 Speaker 5: drawn carriage looking like a lot of the members of 1671 01:11:49,960 --> 01:11:53,720 Speaker 5: the Starters put together. He's got the skeets backwards hat, 1672 01:11:53,760 --> 01:11:58,400 Speaker 5: he's got Lee's glasses, He's got my sleeve with shirt 1673 01:11:58,400 --> 01:12:05,360 Speaker 5: you got from your Yeah, is cool, unfazed demeanor, and 1674 01:12:05,439 --> 01:12:10,800 Speaker 5: of course JD's love transportation and hatred of leaving your 1675 01:12:10,880 --> 01:12:14,639 Speaker 5: car idling. This is great for the environment getting around 1676 01:12:15,479 --> 01:12:17,320 Speaker 5: on a horse drawn carriage. 1677 01:12:17,360 --> 01:12:18,840 Speaker 4: What what what are those called? 1678 01:12:19,240 --> 01:12:21,880 Speaker 2: It's a honess another name for that. 1679 01:12:23,479 --> 01:12:26,720 Speaker 6: Where his head level is at in this setup, he 1680 01:12:26,960 --> 01:12:27,960 Speaker 6: is really well. 1681 01:12:28,439 --> 01:12:32,720 Speaker 1: Horse because he's a giant guy. So he's like right 1682 01:12:32,800 --> 01:12:36,120 Speaker 1: up there. It's just it just doesn't look comfortable. 1683 01:12:35,640 --> 01:12:39,439 Speaker 2: To me, like I mean, horse does yeah as well, 1684 01:12:39,520 --> 01:12:42,040 Speaker 2: like the horse has usually taken like the tiniest little 1685 01:12:42,080 --> 01:12:44,120 Speaker 2: guys around when they go around. Then this big six 1686 01:12:44,200 --> 01:12:46,720 Speaker 2: eleven two hundred and sixty pound dude just sits on 1687 01:12:46,720 --> 01:12:49,160 Speaker 2: the back and says, all right, let's go, you know, I. 1688 01:12:49,120 --> 01:12:51,280 Speaker 6: Mean it's a power look. I do like how it 1689 01:12:51,360 --> 01:12:53,840 Speaker 6: just looks like trade broke it down. But yeah, weird 1690 01:12:54,200 --> 01:12:57,080 Speaker 6: like choice of what's going on here, transportation or racing 1691 01:12:57,240 --> 01:13:01,120 Speaker 6: or whatever this is. It looks like dusty hot, but hey, 1692 01:13:01,200 --> 01:13:04,960 Speaker 6: you do you He apparently loves it so good tweet. 1693 01:13:05,160 --> 01:13:06,960 Speaker 6: We needed a quick one here for a long shot, 1694 01:13:07,120 --> 01:13:10,280 Speaker 6: good stuff, good one just to set up today's game 1695 01:13:10,320 --> 01:13:13,760 Speaker 6: game six nets bucks. You know who knows what's the 1696 01:13:13,800 --> 01:13:16,360 Speaker 6: over under for Kevin Durant tonight, lely, how many points score? 1697 01:13:16,400 --> 01:13:18,160 Speaker 6: What we said that you went for forty nine in 1698 01:13:18,200 --> 01:13:19,559 Speaker 6: Game five? What do you want to say to that 1699 01:13:19,600 --> 01:13:21,120 Speaker 6: you want to go forty. 1700 01:13:20,920 --> 01:13:21,360 Speaker 4: And a half? 1701 01:13:21,760 --> 01:13:23,479 Speaker 2: Forty two and a half, let's say forty two and 1702 01:13:23,520 --> 01:13:23,720 Speaker 2: a half. 1703 01:13:23,720 --> 01:13:24,760 Speaker 1: Okay, are you going over under? 1704 01:13:25,080 --> 01:13:27,240 Speaker 2: I'm going forty three, So we'll take the Hey. 1705 01:13:27,080 --> 01:13:27,800 Speaker 1: It's going over. 1706 01:13:27,840 --> 01:13:28,439 Speaker 4: It's going on. 1707 01:13:30,040 --> 01:13:32,840 Speaker 6: Exactly forty Do you have any predictions besides that leave 1708 01:13:32,920 --> 01:13:33,760 Speaker 6: for tonight's game and. 1709 01:13:33,800 --> 01:13:35,880 Speaker 1: Trying to figure it? Honestly, I really don't know. 1710 01:13:36,000 --> 01:13:36,280 Speaker 4: Could it? 1711 01:13:36,400 --> 01:13:39,000 Speaker 2: Could the Bucks just realize the season's on the line, 1712 01:13:39,280 --> 01:13:41,960 Speaker 2: Let's just be desperate and attack from the start, and 1713 01:13:41,960 --> 01:13:44,160 Speaker 2: the nets potentially like, well, we know we've got Game 1714 01:13:44,200 --> 01:13:47,080 Speaker 2: seven safety net at home here, another game maybe for 1715 01:13:47,160 --> 01:13:49,400 Speaker 2: James Harden to get better and maybe Kyrie even can 1716 01:13:49,439 --> 01:13:51,320 Speaker 2: come back. I don't know. Or do the Bucks just 1717 01:13:51,360 --> 01:13:54,760 Speaker 2: be like we blew it in Game five, Let's just 1718 01:13:54,840 --> 01:13:58,240 Speaker 2: end this season now, you know? I mean? Maybe that's here? Yeah, 1719 01:13:58,320 --> 01:14:00,720 Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean, because because if they can 1720 01:14:00,760 --> 01:14:03,040 Speaker 2: close it out, then they do get, you know, an 1721 01:14:03,040 --> 01:14:05,479 Speaker 2: extra few days rest. Potentially if the Sixes and the 1722 01:14:05,520 --> 01:14:09,960 Speaker 2: Hawks series goes to seven, so honestly, who knows at 1723 01:14:10,000 --> 01:14:11,160 Speaker 2: this point which way he could go? 1724 01:14:11,720 --> 01:14:13,519 Speaker 6: Tass, you want to take a stab at it, look 1725 01:14:13,520 --> 01:14:15,559 Speaker 6: into your crystal ball, man, what happens in game sixth 1726 01:14:15,560 --> 01:14:15,960 Speaker 6: to night. 1727 01:14:16,880 --> 01:14:19,599 Speaker 7: My friend Jimmy Harden goes for twenty points and ten 1728 01:14:19,680 --> 01:14:23,040 Speaker 7: assists tonight. I think they're gonna leave him open and 1729 01:14:23,400 --> 01:14:26,840 Speaker 7: he's gonna make them pay. I think he'll he'll be 1730 01:14:26,880 --> 01:14:29,080 Speaker 7: on the floor, which is the surprising thing to me 1731 01:14:29,160 --> 01:14:32,080 Speaker 7: that Steve Nash said. Yeah, he's likely good to go. 1732 01:14:32,280 --> 01:14:35,880 Speaker 7: He's feeling good, so I think he'll he'll give it 1733 01:14:35,960 --> 01:14:38,920 Speaker 7: after not giving it in Game five, like he'll he'll 1734 01:14:38,960 --> 01:14:41,080 Speaker 7: just feel a little bit more comfortable, and there's no 1735 01:14:41,080 --> 01:14:42,800 Speaker 7: way he can play as bad, so I think he'll 1736 01:14:42,920 --> 01:14:44,840 Speaker 7: he'll be more of a flow, and he'll get his 1737 01:14:44,880 --> 01:14:48,280 Speaker 7: guys going as well, so it'll be like what he 1738 01:14:48,320 --> 01:14:51,240 Speaker 7: did all season, just a little bit lighter because he's 1739 01:14:51,240 --> 01:14:54,880 Speaker 7: still not one hundred percent, but you know that. I 1740 01:14:54,880 --> 01:14:56,880 Speaker 7: think that'll be enough to get them to win if 1741 01:14:56,880 --> 01:14:57,639 Speaker 7: he has a good game. 1742 01:14:57,720 --> 01:15:01,840 Speaker 5: Oh my god, you're telling me the Nets aren't gonna 1743 01:15:01,880 --> 01:15:05,840 Speaker 5: rest Kad and James Harden for this Game six, save 1744 01:15:05,960 --> 01:15:08,439 Speaker 5: him for Game seven. That's tough stuff for the Bucks, 1745 01:15:08,439 --> 01:15:13,000 Speaker 5: because if Harden's able to actually produce better than a 1746 01:15:13,080 --> 01:15:16,320 Speaker 5: twenty five percent James Harden, then they're in trouble. It's 1747 01:15:16,320 --> 01:15:17,960 Speaker 5: got to be the three pointers that go down for 1748 01:15:18,240 --> 01:15:21,160 Speaker 5: the Bucks tonight. We're waiting for an incredible shooting percentage. 1749 01:15:21,280 --> 01:15:24,320 Speaker 5: I think they hit sixteen in game four. We got 1750 01:15:24,360 --> 01:15:26,680 Speaker 5: to see the twenty three pointer game. That would just 1751 01:15:26,760 --> 01:15:29,439 Speaker 5: throw the nets off a little bit. I think actually 1752 01:15:29,479 --> 01:15:33,640 Speaker 5: having to contribute defensively and having to move around and 1753 01:15:33,680 --> 01:15:35,439 Speaker 5: do some stuff instead of just trying to load up 1754 01:15:35,439 --> 01:15:37,800 Speaker 5: against Kevin Durant. I'll take the under, though, Lee, I 1755 01:15:37,800 --> 01:15:39,559 Speaker 5: think he's gonna get exactly out too. 1756 01:15:39,720 --> 01:15:41,240 Speaker 4: So I'm with you. 1757 01:15:41,560 --> 01:15:43,800 Speaker 6: Task that Harden will. I mean, he really can't play 1758 01:15:43,840 --> 01:15:46,599 Speaker 6: worse offensively. You probably hit some threes and maybe looks 1759 01:15:46,600 --> 01:15:48,960 Speaker 6: a little better on that end. But if he's playing, 1760 01:15:49,040 --> 01:15:51,400 Speaker 6: which sounds like he's going to, the Bucks have to 1761 01:15:51,400 --> 01:15:54,000 Speaker 6: go at him. They have to. You have to attack him. 1762 01:15:54,040 --> 01:15:56,880 Speaker 6: He can't just hang out on PJ. Tucker or whoever 1763 01:15:56,880 --> 01:15:58,320 Speaker 6: they want to just like sort of throw them in 1764 01:15:58,320 --> 01:16:01,120 Speaker 6: a corner and don't worry about You've got to get 1765 01:16:01,200 --> 01:16:03,600 Speaker 6: him in action and try and like expose him on 1766 01:16:03,640 --> 01:16:05,720 Speaker 6: that end, and we'll see. I mean, I wouldn't bet 1767 01:16:05,760 --> 01:16:07,879 Speaker 6: on Bud doing that or some of these box players, 1768 01:16:07,880 --> 01:16:11,000 Speaker 6: but that would be my suggestion in order to get 1769 01:16:11,000 --> 01:16:12,840 Speaker 6: this to a game seven we'll see should be fun. 1770 01:16:12,920 --> 01:16:14,599 Speaker 1: Only one game on tonight, I think, well. 1771 01:16:14,439 --> 01:16:16,320 Speaker 6: Of course, talk about that game on tomorrow show on 1772 01:16:16,360 --> 01:16:19,599 Speaker 6: the Drop podcast, and we'll talk about all of these 1773 01:16:19,680 --> 01:16:24,280 Speaker 6: like coaching vacancies and which one is the most enticing, 1774 01:16:24,280 --> 01:16:26,400 Speaker 6: which one is the least enticing if you were a coach, 1775 01:16:26,439 --> 01:16:28,639 Speaker 6: which one would you be trying to get your hands 1776 01:16:28,680 --> 01:16:30,320 Speaker 6: on there. So we'll break down all of that whatever 1777 01:16:30,320 --> 01:16:32,840 Speaker 6: else news happens, because you know, as soon as we 1778 01:16:32,880 --> 01:16:36,960 Speaker 6: stop recording here, there'll be like eight gigantic. 1779 01:16:36,400 --> 01:16:38,640 Speaker 1: Pieces of breaking news in the NBA. They're going to 1780 01:16:38,680 --> 01:16:39,760 Speaker 1: go back to back. Just watch. 1781 01:16:39,760 --> 01:16:41,639 Speaker 6: So we'll be back on Friday to break it all down. 1782 01:16:41,680 --> 01:16:43,400 Speaker 6: Subscribe to the Athletic, go to the Athletic dot com 1783 01:16:43,400 --> 01:16:45,680 Speaker 6: slash no dunks. 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Probably not. 1793 01:17:06,880 --> 01:17:08,599 Speaker 1: Embrace the day, people, you. 1794 01:17:08,600 --> 01:17:17,160 Speaker 4: Could stay boom every day and dad be happy every minute. 1795 01:17:19,120 --> 01:17:22,800 Speaker 4: It's been so long that your the onna way for. 1796 01:17:24,760 --> 01:17:28,639 Speaker 7: It's happened already. It's gonna be Grevy