1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,080 Speaker 1: I will think one way to get better with change 2 00:00:02,120 --> 00:00:14,640 Speaker 1: is just embracing flexibility. 3 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:21,040 Speaker 2: What's going on, Emily and Badi Here You are listening 4 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:24,799 Speaker 2: to episode three thirty four, the newest installment in this 5 00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:30,160 Speaker 2: week's Turning the Page series on Hurdle, a wellness focused 6 00:00:30,160 --> 00:00:33,400 Speaker 2: podcast where I talk to inspirational people about everything from 7 00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:36,720 Speaker 2: their highest ties and toughest moments to essential tips on 8 00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:40,839 Speaker 2: how to live a healthier, happier, more motivated life. We 9 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:43,440 Speaker 2: all go through our fair share of hurdles, and my 10 00:00:43,560 --> 00:00:46,120 Speaker 2: goal through these discussions is to empower you to better 11 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:49,319 Speaker 2: navigate yours and move with intention so that you can 12 00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:53,040 Speaker 2: stride towards your own big potential and of course have 13 00:00:53,240 --> 00:00:57,680 Speaker 2: some fun along the way. For today's chat, I am 14 00:00:57,720 --> 00:01:01,240 Speaker 2: bringing in one of my favorite humans that Nicki Oginaki. 15 00:01:01,320 --> 00:01:04,319 Speaker 2: She is the editor in chief of Marie Claire as 16 00:01:04,319 --> 00:01:06,160 Speaker 2: well as a dear friend of mine, and it was 17 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:10,440 Speaker 2: an absolute no brainer to have Niki join me for 18 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:14,200 Speaker 2: this series, not only because her episodes was one of 19 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:18,800 Speaker 2: the most listened to episodes of twenty twenty four, but 20 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:25,080 Speaker 2: also because this woman's got wisdom that I want, need, 21 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:31,440 Speaker 2: must distribute into the world. I really appreciate Nicky's openness 22 00:01:31,520 --> 00:01:34,920 Speaker 2: about the challenges that she braved over the past year, 23 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:37,920 Speaker 2: the highs and lows of her first full year in 24 00:01:37,959 --> 00:01:41,319 Speaker 2: the hot seat as Marie Claire's editor in chief, and 25 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:43,680 Speaker 2: the way that she really put a lot of thought 26 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:46,960 Speaker 2: into what I asked her to come in and chat about. 27 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:49,240 Speaker 2: We talk about what she wants to stop, start, and 28 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 2: keep doing in twenty twenty five, how stretching has actually 29 00:01:52,800 --> 00:01:56,640 Speaker 2: completely changed the game for her wellness routine, and why 30 00:01:56,680 --> 00:01:59,840 Speaker 2: is she's so strict about her wellness routine. What it 31 00:01:59,880 --> 00:02:04,120 Speaker 2: is about the practices that she incorporates into her every 32 00:02:04,360 --> 00:02:08,320 Speaker 2: week that make her feel like a better human. I'm 33 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:12,280 Speaker 2: sneaking a giveaway into today's episode, so if you are listening, 34 00:02:12,520 --> 00:02:14,760 Speaker 2: I want to thank you for being a part of 35 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:18,440 Speaker 2: the Hurdler community. Share this episode on your social media 36 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:21,680 Speaker 2: in your story tag me tag Hurdle podcast. I'm giving 37 00:02:21,720 --> 00:02:24,680 Speaker 2: away a pair of a six sneakers they are sponsoring 38 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:28,520 Speaker 2: at these episodes this week, and I'm in the giving mood, 39 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:31,600 Speaker 2: so again tag me tag Hurdle. I'm going to announce 40 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:35,600 Speaker 2: the giveaway a winner in next Friday's newsletter on January tenth, 41 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:39,000 Speaker 2: the same day that the New a six Nimbus releases. 42 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:43,160 Speaker 2: So yeah, share the story, share the show, and maybe 43 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:46,720 Speaker 2: you will start twenty twenty five with a fresh pair 44 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 2: of kicks. Make sure you're following along again on social 45 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:52,520 Speaker 2: with Hurdle. Over at Hurdle podcast I'm over at Emily 46 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:56,080 Speaker 2: a Body, And of course, subscribe to that newsletter. Subscribe 47 00:02:56,120 --> 00:02:58,519 Speaker 2: to the Weekly Hurdle. I love writing it every week. 48 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:00,480 Speaker 2: It's a really fun way to keep up with the 49 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:04,079 Speaker 2: community and share so much of the same inspiration, motivation 50 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:08,080 Speaker 2: things you love about the show regularly in your inbox 51 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:12,320 Speaker 2: every Friday. And the best part is it's absolutely free. 52 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:15,720 Speaker 2: Now I am feeling all sorts of motivated heading into 53 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:18,320 Speaker 2: this new year. I've got my goals on lock and 54 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:22,359 Speaker 2: I am well ready to get after it. But if 55 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:24,440 Speaker 2: you are looking for a little inspiration and your local 56 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:26,320 Speaker 2: to New York City, you are in luck because I'm 57 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:30,400 Speaker 2: hosting a goal setting workshop next Thursday, January ninth. Details 58 00:03:30,440 --> 00:03:34,080 Speaker 2: about that will be in the newsletter tomorrow's Weekly Hurdle. 59 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:36,840 Speaker 2: With that, let's get to it, let's get it to 60 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:47,200 Speaker 2: a hurdling. Today, I'm setting back down with my dear friend, 61 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 2: editor in chief of Marie Claire Nikki Oganaki. How are 62 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:52,520 Speaker 2: we doing next? I'm doing well. How are you? I'm good, good, 63 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:54,120 Speaker 2: and happy to be in the studio with you. I'm 64 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:56,120 Speaker 2: happy to be here too. I can't believe we're at 65 00:03:56,160 --> 00:03:58,240 Speaker 2: the end of another year. Can you believe it? 66 00:03:58,320 --> 00:04:01,160 Speaker 1: No, twenty twenty four really flew by in such a 67 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:03,040 Speaker 1: blur that I'm kind of like, when I was like 68 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 1: thinking about this podcast today, is kind of like. 69 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:09,640 Speaker 2: What did I do this year? Yeah? It was really 70 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:13,120 Speaker 2: it was really really crazy. Yeah, a wild one. Do 71 00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:17,800 Speaker 2: you feel as though this year was in particularly more 72 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 2: crazy than usual? Yeah? 73 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:24,080 Speaker 1: I do, because our like so at Marie Claire, I 74 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:28,599 Speaker 1: started in August twenty twenty three, which means I had 75 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 1: like a bit of twenty twenty three, but like my 76 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:34,560 Speaker 1: job really, in my eyes, like really kicked off there 77 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:37,480 Speaker 1: in the new year. So in like top of twenty 78 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:40,600 Speaker 1: twenty four, we like really hit the ground running. And 79 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:44,800 Speaker 1: so in doing that, it was everything from like starting 80 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:48,200 Speaker 1: a newsletter to in consistently doing that, starting a podcast 81 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:50,960 Speaker 1: and consistently doing that, getting two print issues off the ground, 82 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:53,120 Speaker 1: getting four digital issues off the ground, and just like 83 00:04:54,120 --> 00:04:57,080 Speaker 1: flying just like really really flying through twenty twenty four 84 00:04:57,120 --> 00:04:59,640 Speaker 1: live events, all all of the things, and then also 85 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:03,320 Speaker 1: like you know, my personal life stuff and so having 86 00:05:03,320 --> 00:05:07,240 Speaker 1: a life outside of work and maintaining that. So Yeah, 87 00:05:07,279 --> 00:05:10,400 Speaker 1: it was a really sort of wild twenty twenty four that. 88 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:13,359 Speaker 2: I did not expect, knowing that it was going to 89 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:16,880 Speaker 2: ramp up, Like you went in to twenty four, knowing 90 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:19,080 Speaker 2: after the holidays that things were about to get wild. 91 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:24,640 Speaker 2: Was there anything that you did preliminarily to gear yourself 92 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:26,360 Speaker 2: up for that undertaking? 93 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I really just tried to rest, Like 94 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:32,400 Speaker 1: this is one of the first years. Twenty twenty four, 95 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:35,000 Speaker 1: like end of twenty twenty three to beginning of twenty 96 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:36,480 Speaker 1: twenty four was probably one of the first times that 97 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:38,840 Speaker 1: I've ever taken like a solid two weeks off at 98 00:05:38,839 --> 00:05:43,039 Speaker 1: the end of the year, you know, very little phone time, 99 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:45,880 Speaker 1: very little screen time, just hanging out with friends, hanging 100 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:48,920 Speaker 1: out with family, fitness, all of that stuff. Just really 101 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:51,479 Speaker 1: trying to prioritize that, just knowing that like it could 102 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:55,359 Speaker 1: go a little haywire going into January and February. 103 00:05:55,520 --> 00:05:58,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, how did that feel? How did it feel? Taking 104 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:00,599 Speaker 2: the rest? Loved it? 105 00:06:00,960 --> 00:06:03,919 Speaker 1: I'm glad it was amazing. Everyone. If you can, like, 106 00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:07,360 Speaker 1: I highly highly recommend it. Just is really I think 107 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:10,360 Speaker 1: the one time of the year when most people shut down, 108 00:06:10,440 --> 00:06:12,080 Speaker 1: and so to be able to do that, to be 109 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:13,880 Speaker 1: able to work at a place that like afforded me 110 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:17,279 Speaker 1: the opportunity to do that was really was really great. 111 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:20,320 Speaker 2: How would you say at this point right now, how 112 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 2: are you doing? Really? How am I doing? Really? I'm tired. 113 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:28,880 Speaker 1: I am tired, but not in a like in a 114 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:31,640 Speaker 1: tired way where it's like I couldn't possibly go on. 115 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:34,359 Speaker 1: There's a bit of like a tiredness where it's like, damn, 116 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:37,720 Speaker 1: we did a lot this year, like holy shit, like 117 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:41,760 Speaker 1: we got through so many things this year and can't 118 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:43,760 Speaker 1: wait to see what like twenty five and twenty six 119 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:46,320 Speaker 1: bring us. Yeah, Like I'm not dreading going into twenty 120 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:48,320 Speaker 1: twenty five, and I'm not dreading closing out this year. 121 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:50,400 Speaker 1: Like I think end of twenty twenty three, I was 122 00:06:50,440 --> 00:06:52,440 Speaker 1: like wrap it up, like I'm done, Like let's go, 123 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:56,640 Speaker 1: let's close things out. But now I'm just kind of like, yeah, 124 00:06:56,680 --> 00:07:00,480 Speaker 1: twenty twenty four was really great and onward. 125 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:05,000 Speaker 2: Was it what you expected or did it exceed your expectations? 126 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:07,720 Speaker 1: I think that any expectations that I would have had 127 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:11,720 Speaker 1: for twenty twenty four, like life through so many curveballs 128 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:14,200 Speaker 1: that I couldn't even predict half of the things, like 129 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:18,560 Speaker 1: everything from you know, putting on live events from Marie 130 00:07:18,560 --> 00:07:21,440 Speaker 1: Claire to like running a relay race in Greece with Nike, 131 00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:23,640 Speaker 1: Like could not have predicted any of those things would 132 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:27,240 Speaker 1: have popped up, really, And so I'm trying to not 133 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:31,600 Speaker 1: put expectations or yeah, I'm just trying not to put 134 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:36,040 Speaker 1: like expectations on what life will bring me in twenty 135 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:38,080 Speaker 1: twenty five because it's kind of like I'm just trying 136 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:39,040 Speaker 1: to take things as they come. 137 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:43,320 Speaker 2: I totally can relate to that, and I think that 138 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:47,520 Speaker 2: we are set up in such a way that when 139 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:50,520 Speaker 2: you have a reasonable expectation or maybe there are things 140 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:54,320 Speaker 2: that are recurring, if you know that they're not going 141 00:07:54,400 --> 00:07:57,360 Speaker 2: to happen again, there's like that innate worry that comes up, 142 00:07:57,440 --> 00:08:00,200 Speaker 2: right because you know, well, this is what I you, 143 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:03,240 Speaker 2: this is what I was used to. But I have 144 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:06,640 Speaker 2: no reason to believe that I won't figure it out, 145 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:09,280 Speaker 2: just because next year is going to look different than 146 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:12,720 Speaker 2: it has in the previous years. And so for me, 147 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:15,040 Speaker 2: like there are two big projects that I've done at 148 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:17,560 Speaker 2: the beginning of the last two years and I'm not 149 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:21,440 Speaker 2: doing them in twenty twenty five, and it's like okay, well, yeah, 150 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:24,640 Speaker 2: there's anxiety around that, but also I have no reason 151 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:26,360 Speaker 2: to believe that it's not going to be okay. 152 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:29,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, and like imagine what happening that having that open 153 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:32,240 Speaker 1: space will bring you, Like things you may not even 154 00:08:32,280 --> 00:08:34,319 Speaker 1: know are on the horizon, Like you could get hit 155 00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:36,800 Speaker 1: jan one and somebody could be like, hey, do these 156 00:08:36,840 --> 00:08:37,679 Speaker 1: things instead and. 157 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:42,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, wow, yeah, my version of a Nike Grease Relay race. Wait, 158 00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:45,199 Speaker 2: we need to at least touch on the Nike Grease 159 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:46,679 Speaker 2: Relay race. It was really crazy. 160 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:49,480 Speaker 1: I got a text from Cheyenne and Aaron and they 161 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:52,840 Speaker 1: were like, hey, what are you doing these dates? And 162 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:54,320 Speaker 1: I was like, well, I think I'm going to be 163 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:57,320 Speaker 1: in Europe for work actually, and they were like, do 164 00:08:57,360 --> 00:09:00,160 Speaker 1: you want to join Nike and be like, you know, 165 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:02,560 Speaker 1: one of two people or one of like a handful 166 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:05,960 Speaker 1: of people from the US to go run this relay 167 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:09,800 Speaker 1: race in Greece for the it must have been the 168 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:13,000 Speaker 1: PEG forty one, I want to say, for National Running Day. 169 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:16,400 Speaker 2: And I was like yeah, sure, Like sure. 170 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:16,560 Speaker 1: Why not? 171 00:09:16,679 --> 00:09:19,079 Speaker 2: Like how long do I have to run? Four miles? Okay? Cool? 172 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:21,640 Speaker 1: And I'll go to Greece for a little bit, and 173 00:09:21,679 --> 00:09:23,800 Speaker 1: I'll have this new experience and meet new people from 174 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:29,000 Speaker 1: all over the world. Like, I don't generally say no 175 00:09:29,280 --> 00:09:32,120 Speaker 1: to a lot of things, like especially those types of opportunities, 176 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:34,160 Speaker 1: because I just never know where, like what they can 177 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:37,080 Speaker 1: lead to in the future. So when those sorts of 178 00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:39,400 Speaker 1: wild things sort of pop up, I generally say yes. 179 00:09:39,640 --> 00:09:43,040 Speaker 2: Yeah. It's interesting though, because I also know you to 180 00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 2: be someone who loves to own your now. 181 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:49,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I know, which is really funny. I say 182 00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:54,720 Speaker 1: no to things where I'm just sort of like MEH 183 00:09:54,760 --> 00:09:57,839 Speaker 1: on them. Yeah, Like I really do operate on a 184 00:09:57,960 --> 00:09:59,560 Speaker 1: sort of like if it's not a hell, yes, then 185 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:01,120 Speaker 1: it's a yeah. 186 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:04,760 Speaker 2: And I think that's really empowering and also comes with 187 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:09,200 Speaker 2: a lot of personal work, right, so much personal work. 188 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:11,280 Speaker 1: One of my things, like we were talking about things 189 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:13,920 Speaker 1: that we want to like keep what was it? 190 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:16,439 Speaker 2: It was keep getting Nike things that we want to 191 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:18,960 Speaker 2: stop start and keep doing in twenty twenty fives. 192 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:22,640 Speaker 1: So stop for me is guilt, like feeling guilty about 193 00:10:22,640 --> 00:10:26,600 Speaker 1: saying no, feeling or like people pleasing tendencies, like in 194 00:10:26,640 --> 00:10:29,120 Speaker 1: a weird way, I had like I'm happy to own 195 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:32,240 Speaker 1: my no. But with the no comes like a little 196 00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:34,000 Speaker 1: bit of guilt, a little bit of like how is 197 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:35,679 Speaker 1: this going to affect me in the future? And I'm 198 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:38,520 Speaker 1: really trying to get out of my head and stop 199 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:42,800 Speaker 1: that sort of like guilt or the anxiety that comes 200 00:10:42,840 --> 00:10:47,839 Speaker 1: with saying no, and just like just own the no wholeheartedly. 201 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:52,640 Speaker 2: How does someone stop feeling guilty about owning their no? 202 00:10:53,240 --> 00:11:00,200 Speaker 1: You tell me, I think it is just about being 203 00:11:00,280 --> 00:11:04,000 Speaker 1: fine with like sitting in the uncomfortability that may come 204 00:11:04,120 --> 00:11:07,360 Speaker 1: with a no, and then realizing that ultimately that no 205 00:11:07,600 --> 00:11:13,120 Speaker 1: is probably going to serve you more than saying yes would, 206 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:18,240 Speaker 1: and like weighing like would you rather feel like shit 207 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:20,120 Speaker 1: and kind of have done the thing that you didn't 208 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:20,440 Speaker 1: want to do? 209 00:11:20,559 --> 00:11:21,640 Speaker 2: Or would you rather say no? 210 00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:24,920 Speaker 1: And then like, you know, a couple days later, be like, Okay, 211 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:27,480 Speaker 1: that was fine, right, That like sucked for maybe like 212 00:11:27,559 --> 00:11:30,960 Speaker 1: an hour of feeling the guilt, but okay, I'm over it. 213 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:34,600 Speaker 2: Okay, stop feeling guilty in twenty twenty five for owning 214 00:11:34,640 --> 00:11:37,080 Speaker 2: your no. What do we want to start doing? Oh, 215 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:39,360 Speaker 2: let me see, I want to start acupuncture. Oh I 216 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:42,240 Speaker 2: love this journey for you. I want to start acupuncture. 217 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:44,280 Speaker 1: That is the one thing like I feel like I've 218 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:47,640 Speaker 1: like solidly sort of figured out my like wellness and 219 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:51,040 Speaker 1: fitness routine as it stands, But I'd really like to 220 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:53,360 Speaker 1: get into acupuncture because I think it would help with 221 00:11:53,400 --> 00:11:54,080 Speaker 1: stress levels. 222 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:55,480 Speaker 2: It would help with me sort. 223 00:11:55,240 --> 00:11:58,160 Speaker 1: Of just like laying still for a period of time 224 00:11:58,640 --> 00:12:01,760 Speaker 1: and really not defaulting to like scrolling on my phone 225 00:12:01,760 --> 00:12:03,400 Speaker 1: when I want to sort of zone out and just 226 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:06,679 Speaker 1: like sitting there, like laying still. 227 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:11,240 Speaker 2: And through acupuncture aside from sitting still, what are you 228 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:15,120 Speaker 2: helping to accomplish with it? Oh? I think it's a 229 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:18,480 Speaker 2: reduction of stress levels. Okay, love that. Yeah, Okay, what 230 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:22,360 Speaker 2: else are you doing aside from the inevitable acupuncture to 231 00:12:22,640 --> 00:12:24,960 Speaker 2: cope with your stress levels right now? Oh, that's a 232 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:25,560 Speaker 2: great question. 233 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:30,000 Speaker 1: It is a lot of just like movement, honestly, and 234 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:33,520 Speaker 1: movement in a bunch of different ways. So that's training 235 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:38,800 Speaker 1: with my trainer and go okafor that is running outside 236 00:12:38,840 --> 00:12:41,400 Speaker 1: with friends. I just recently one of my good girlfriends 237 00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:44,800 Speaker 1: just recently got into running, and so we meet, you know, 238 00:12:44,880 --> 00:12:47,200 Speaker 1: Saturday mornings and we do a loop in the park 239 00:12:47,280 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 1: and it's been really lovely for me to see her 240 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:54,120 Speaker 1: growth in running. And so just like carving out that 241 00:12:54,280 --> 00:12:56,400 Speaker 1: you know, hour hour and a half space for us 242 00:12:56,440 --> 00:12:59,000 Speaker 1: to just sort of like run and talk has been 243 00:12:59,280 --> 00:13:01,200 Speaker 1: really fortifying. 244 00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:05,720 Speaker 2: And what else am I doing? I mean, I'm trying. 245 00:13:05,720 --> 00:13:07,240 Speaker 2: I'm always trying to get off my phone. 246 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:11,640 Speaker 1: Like the internet is a weird dark place and a 247 00:13:11,679 --> 00:13:13,880 Speaker 1: lot of my job depends on it. But as much 248 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:17,040 Speaker 1: as I cannot be on it, like I'm really trying. 249 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:20,800 Speaker 2: Not to, Okay, I love the helping someone come up 250 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:21,680 Speaker 2: in their own journey. 251 00:13:22,280 --> 00:13:24,880 Speaker 1: It's so for you, It's so great. It really is 252 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:26,600 Speaker 1: like one of the most fulfilling things I've done. 253 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:30,080 Speaker 2: It's fulfilling because you have the opportunity to help someone 254 00:13:30,120 --> 00:13:33,320 Speaker 2: be better in a way that they've expressed interest in doing. 255 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:35,400 Speaker 2: It's not like you're saying to this person, oh, you 256 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:37,680 Speaker 2: must come run with me, right, so you have this 257 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:41,360 Speaker 2: time together. And then also the accountability of it all right, 258 00:13:41,400 --> 00:13:43,880 Speaker 2: to have someone that you know is going to be there, 259 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:47,480 Speaker 2: that you have a like minded goal of moving your body, 260 00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:51,439 Speaker 2: working against stress and just enjoying the time. It's great. 261 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:54,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, And it was really nice and fulfilling for me 262 00:13:54,320 --> 00:13:57,040 Speaker 1: to see to It's the little things like I've been 263 00:13:57,080 --> 00:13:58,880 Speaker 1: running for you know ten years at this point, but 264 00:13:58,920 --> 00:14:01,400 Speaker 1: to see somebody who just go into running and see that, 265 00:14:01,559 --> 00:14:05,560 Speaker 1: like we built every weekend and we would you know, 266 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:08,800 Speaker 1: she I think had run maybe a mile at most, 267 00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:10,760 Speaker 1: and then we did our first five k together like 268 00:14:10,840 --> 00:14:14,160 Speaker 1: two weeks ago, and just that growth to see it 269 00:14:14,200 --> 00:14:18,520 Speaker 1: really is like very cheesy and very like heartwarming, but 270 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:21,320 Speaker 1: it's also like, wow, damn, she really put her mind 271 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:23,240 Speaker 1: to something and I helped her put her mind to 272 00:14:23,280 --> 00:14:24,800 Speaker 1: that and we accomplished a goal together. 273 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:28,280 Speaker 2: It's special. When would you say, is the last time 274 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:31,040 Speaker 2: that the roles were reversed for you in a similar 275 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:34,840 Speaker 2: way in that you were trying to acquire or learn 276 00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:37,600 Speaker 2: a new skill. It could even be professional a yeah, 277 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:40,240 Speaker 2: and someone kind of took you under their wing to 278 00:14:40,360 --> 00:14:43,120 Speaker 2: help instill that within you. Yeah, I would. 279 00:14:43,160 --> 00:14:45,520 Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I think professionally this year, just being 280 00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:48,840 Speaker 1: an editor in chief and having Hillary Kerr, who is 281 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:53,440 Speaker 1: my boss at Future and at Marie Claire just take 282 00:14:53,480 --> 00:14:55,520 Speaker 1: me under her wing and just like offer so much 283 00:14:55,560 --> 00:15:00,200 Speaker 1: guidance and support from you know, literally everything from the 284 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:01,880 Speaker 1: stuff that I have to do in the day to 285 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:07,080 Speaker 1: day to podcasting, like Hillary has the podcast Second Life, 286 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:08,400 Speaker 1: and she was telling me the other day she thinks 287 00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:10,680 Speaker 1: she's done like almost five hundred interviews. 288 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:12,800 Speaker 2: At this point, I was like, damn, Like, you need. 289 00:15:12,720 --> 00:15:14,960 Speaker 1: To come on my podcast and teach me the art 290 00:15:14,960 --> 00:15:19,040 Speaker 1: of podcasting, because that's crazy. Just having somebody like her 291 00:15:20,280 --> 00:15:24,000 Speaker 1: at you know, having access to somebody like Hillary and 292 00:15:24,040 --> 00:15:30,040 Speaker 1: being able to ask her any question has just been unexpected. 293 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:32,520 Speaker 1: Like I didn't go into twenty twenty four, or I mean, 294 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:34,120 Speaker 1: I guess I went into twenty twenty four knowing that 295 00:15:34,120 --> 00:15:35,760 Speaker 1: I would be an editor in chief, but it was 296 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:38,000 Speaker 1: still a new relationship with Hillary. So to watch that 297 00:15:38,080 --> 00:15:41,760 Speaker 1: sort of bloom has really been really so great for 298 00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:42,240 Speaker 1: me as well. 299 00:15:42,560 --> 00:15:46,160 Speaker 2: Mentorship, to that note, can be something that a lot 300 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:51,120 Speaker 2: of people crave and seek for someone that is hoping 301 00:15:51,160 --> 00:15:55,480 Speaker 2: to mabe solidify a mentorship relationship in the new year. 302 00:15:55,840 --> 00:15:58,280 Speaker 2: Any advice on how to go about that in a 303 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:02,200 Speaker 2: way that has a little bit more ease, Yeah, Yeah. 304 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:05,160 Speaker 1: I think the thing about mentorship and when people want mentors, 305 00:16:05,560 --> 00:16:09,880 Speaker 1: they unfortunately, like sometimes maybe don't realize just how busy 306 00:16:09,920 --> 00:16:13,760 Speaker 1: their mentor is, and so to ask for a ton 307 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:16,840 Speaker 1: of time for somebody may not be feasible on that 308 00:16:16,920 --> 00:16:19,840 Speaker 1: other person's end. So I would say, start setting up 309 00:16:19,880 --> 00:16:22,360 Speaker 1: like small bite size meetings, like hey, can I get 310 00:16:22,400 --> 00:16:25,200 Speaker 1: fifteen minutes of your time like once a month, and 311 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:27,920 Speaker 1: then see how it grows from there. I also think 312 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:31,800 Speaker 1: that people maybe underestimate that mentorship is a two way relationship, 313 00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:33,320 Speaker 1: and so people go into it and they say, I 314 00:16:33,400 --> 00:16:36,680 Speaker 1: want that person to be my mentor that person may 315 00:16:36,680 --> 00:16:39,680 Speaker 1: not be up for mentoring, you know, when really having 316 00:16:39,720 --> 00:16:43,000 Speaker 1: to to realize that it is sort of a reciprocal 317 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:48,280 Speaker 1: relationship that takes time to build and may not sort 318 00:16:48,280 --> 00:16:50,640 Speaker 1: of like bloom initially, Like Hillary and I have been 319 00:16:50,640 --> 00:16:52,800 Speaker 1: working together for a year now, and so it's a 320 00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:54,640 Speaker 1: much different relationship than we had. 321 00:16:54,520 --> 00:16:57,800 Speaker 2: You know, end of twenty twenty three, totally. And I 322 00:16:57,840 --> 00:17:01,960 Speaker 2: appreciate that fifteen minute bite size recommendation for the person 323 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:05,560 Speaker 2: that's seeking that mentorship to go into that fifteen minutes 324 00:17:06,080 --> 00:17:10,119 Speaker 2: with thoughts, questions, ideas, et cetera, because it's not the 325 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:14,200 Speaker 2: mentor's job to just spell all of this random wisdom 326 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:16,480 Speaker 2: on you and be like cool, go off now, right. 327 00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:18,040 Speaker 1: Because I think a lot of people when they are 328 00:17:18,080 --> 00:17:20,840 Speaker 1: looking for mentors, they are looking for somebody to just 329 00:17:20,920 --> 00:17:25,080 Speaker 1: like pour a whole bunch into them. But I'm you know, 330 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:29,720 Speaker 1: as somebody who I think mentors people and I wholeheartedly 331 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:32,439 Speaker 1: believe in like peer mentorship too. It's really like what 332 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:34,840 Speaker 1: do you need? Like my question is always like, okay, 333 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:36,560 Speaker 1: what do you want? And not in a bad way, 334 00:17:36,600 --> 00:17:38,840 Speaker 1: but like what do you actually want? And have you, 335 00:17:38,920 --> 00:17:40,720 Speaker 1: as the mentee taken the time to think about like 336 00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:44,399 Speaker 1: what you want and what you're hoping this mentorship relationship 337 00:17:44,440 --> 00:17:45,040 Speaker 1: will give you? 338 00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:49,400 Speaker 2: But how important is that in all of our relationships? Really? 339 00:17:49,520 --> 00:17:51,760 Speaker 2: Exactly if you're asking yourself what is it that I 340 00:17:51,840 --> 00:17:55,560 Speaker 2: want from this relationship and also having those realistic expectations 341 00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:59,720 Speaker 2: so that you know what relationship takes, what of you, 342 00:17:59,840 --> 00:18:02,120 Speaker 2: or demands what of you or what you can give 343 00:18:02,200 --> 00:18:04,359 Speaker 2: to each of these relationships. Knowing that you have a 344 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:10,359 Speaker 2: reasonable expectation, that is critical, so critical. Nikki Yoganagi, what 345 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:14,080 Speaker 2: are we keeping in twenty twenty five? Oh? Interesting? What 346 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:22,439 Speaker 2: am I keeping? Let's see stretching immobility practice. Wow, do 347 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:24,280 Speaker 2: you actually have a stretching. 348 00:18:26,080 --> 00:18:28,199 Speaker 1: I stretch every Sunday, I go to stretch class every 349 00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:30,240 Speaker 1: Sunday at the fit in, and then I do pilates 350 00:18:30,280 --> 00:18:35,920 Speaker 1: every Monday morning. And that has really that has actually tested. 351 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:39,680 Speaker 2: Me in ways I mean I could. 352 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:44,280 Speaker 1: Not have imagined like pilates is consistently hard, it's humbling, 353 00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:46,679 Speaker 1: but I keep going back for more because that is 354 00:18:46,800 --> 00:18:49,800 Speaker 1: one place it's a new sort of practice for me. 355 00:18:49,800 --> 00:18:52,879 Speaker 1: I've never done plates consistently. I've never done string journey 356 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:56,960 Speaker 1: or I've never done stretching consistently, and so having both 357 00:18:57,000 --> 00:18:58,960 Speaker 1: of those, incorporating both of those into my life, I 358 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:04,120 Speaker 1: think really having that sort of weakly humbling really sort 359 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:07,040 Speaker 1: of keeps me on my toes. And also it is 360 00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:10,320 Speaker 1: just like super helpful again in stress reduction for me. 361 00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:13,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, stretching is impressive. To go to a stretching class 362 00:19:14,040 --> 00:19:17,440 Speaker 2: is very impressive. Forty five minutes every Sunday morning. Wow, 363 00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:21,480 Speaker 2: talk about an investment in self. Do you feel differently 364 00:19:21,680 --> 00:19:24,280 Speaker 2: incorporating the stretching into your routine? I do, Yeah, I 365 00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:24,679 Speaker 2: really do. 366 00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:26,879 Speaker 1: Actually, I think it makes a huge difference in terms 367 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:29,720 Speaker 1: of because I've like up to my strength training more, 368 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:33,560 Speaker 1: having the stretching and the mobility just practice in general, 369 00:19:34,280 --> 00:19:37,080 Speaker 1: it just helps me like not be as stiff as sore, 370 00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:41,240 Speaker 1: Like the sort of fluidity of my body I think 371 00:19:41,320 --> 00:19:45,119 Speaker 1: is really helping me like move with ease throughout life. 372 00:19:45,119 --> 00:19:47,959 Speaker 2: A little more. Isn't that the goal though? Isn't that 373 00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:50,119 Speaker 2: the goal though? Yeah? If someone could tell me that 374 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:52,359 Speaker 2: forty five minutes a week would lessen the amount of 375 00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:55,360 Speaker 2: lower back pain that I have or alleviate my stress, 376 00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:57,480 Speaker 2: I would be like, it's an absolute no brainer, which 377 00:19:57,520 --> 00:20:00,720 Speaker 2: is why I have been personally leaning into Yogalla. Yeah. 378 00:20:00,760 --> 00:20:02,840 Speaker 1: I just did my first Y seven class the other day. 379 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:05,560 Speaker 1: The first one second I did why seven like when 380 00:20:05,600 --> 00:20:08,200 Speaker 1: it first launched, but I haven't done it in so 381 00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:08,680 Speaker 1: so long. 382 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:11,240 Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, I get it. Okay, Yeah, I 383 00:20:11,320 --> 00:20:13,080 Speaker 2: get it, and I understand what we're doing in here. 384 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:16,040 Speaker 2: They've actually recently opened a new core power in Park 385 00:20:16,119 --> 00:20:19,359 Speaker 2: Slope that I've been checking out. Oh really yeah, okay, okay, 386 00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:22,080 Speaker 2: stretching and mobility. Keeping that in twenty twenty five, I'm 387 00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:23,959 Speaker 2: really proud of you. Thank you, welcome. 388 00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:26,600 Speaker 1: All of the stuff that I'm trying to do fitness wise, 389 00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:30,480 Speaker 1: like really informs the way that I move through life, right, 390 00:20:30,520 --> 00:20:35,080 Speaker 1: and so like the running, the strength training, you know, stretching, mobility, 391 00:20:35,119 --> 00:20:37,760 Speaker 1: all of that really strengthens I think the way that 392 00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:41,119 Speaker 1: I manage as an editor in chief, the way that 393 00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:42,119 Speaker 1: I'm moving through life. 394 00:20:42,119 --> 00:20:43,440 Speaker 2: I'm trying to just. 395 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:49,000 Speaker 1: Lean into continuing to give myself these like pockets of 396 00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:52,359 Speaker 1: rest in these or active rest, however you want to 397 00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:56,479 Speaker 1: call it, for myself so I can then pour into 398 00:20:57,440 --> 00:20:57,880 Speaker 1: my team. 399 00:20:58,160 --> 00:21:00,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, and what I'm hearing you say is that this 400 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:03,600 Speaker 2: isn't just like, oh, I stumble into a class on Sunday. 401 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:04,800 Speaker 2: You have a schedule. 402 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:07,000 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we're scheduled out to the point where my 403 00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:08,960 Speaker 1: friends are like, what is happening? And I'm like, if 404 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:10,840 Speaker 1: you're not hoping on, like I told. 405 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:12,240 Speaker 2: You, guys, this is it. 406 00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:15,159 Speaker 1: I would love to like figure it out. And my 407 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:18,120 Speaker 1: word for twenty twenty five is actually flexibility. So I'm 408 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:21,320 Speaker 1: trying to be a little more flexible in the scheduling 409 00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:28,399 Speaker 1: of my life. But scheduling out fitness ensures that it 410 00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:29,640 Speaker 1: is a priority. 411 00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:30,920 Speaker 2: In my life and it doesn't fall by the wayside. 412 00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:35,800 Speaker 2: Why do you think you're a scheduler? I think that 413 00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:38,639 Speaker 2: life sort of demands it. 414 00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:40,480 Speaker 1: I think my job sort of demands it, and so 415 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:44,560 Speaker 1: there's like kind of no way around it. But knowing 416 00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:47,280 Speaker 1: that outside of work, I can schedule these pockets for 417 00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:51,080 Speaker 1: myself ensures that I actually give back to myself. 418 00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:53,560 Speaker 2: And also ensures that at times you can give back 419 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:57,120 Speaker 2: to your relationships, right, because I'm sure that your workouts 420 00:21:57,119 --> 00:21:59,920 Speaker 2: are not the only thing that you're scheduling out weeks 421 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:01,280 Speaker 2: at a time. No, not at all. 422 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:04,600 Speaker 1: It's you know, it's the like, Okay, are we going 423 00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:06,320 Speaker 1: to go to dinner at Pullarbar? Like me and Philip, 424 00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:08,680 Speaker 1: are we going to dinner Pullar? Okay, that's like two 425 00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:10,919 Speaker 1: weeks out, So scheduling that like just making sure that 426 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:13,560 Speaker 1: there are moments for dates or moments for you know, 427 00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:16,200 Speaker 1: hanging out with my sister when she's in town, brother, 428 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:18,439 Speaker 1: my niece's nephews, all of those people, just to make 429 00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:21,639 Speaker 1: sure that they are a part of you know, like 430 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:24,119 Speaker 1: take priority in my life as well, because work is 431 00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:25,440 Speaker 1: so all consuming. 432 00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:27,399 Speaker 2: If I wanted it to be, right, if you wanted 433 00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:29,200 Speaker 2: it to be And I love that approach to it. 434 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:32,000 Speaker 2: It's that it's not that by not allowing it to 435 00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:34,840 Speaker 2: be all consuming, you're any less or more all in. 436 00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:37,359 Speaker 2: It's just being able to put up these boundaries so 437 00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:40,000 Speaker 2: that you know how to handle the responsibilities in a 438 00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:42,600 Speaker 2: way that feels sustainable. Yeah, and I think that is 439 00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:45,119 Speaker 2: super important articulate one hundred percent. 440 00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:49,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that work can take over it could 441 00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:53,040 Speaker 1: be everything, it could be anything. But we've seen continuously 442 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:57,560 Speaker 1: how work, how corporations can sort of just turn on you. Yeah, 443 00:22:57,720 --> 00:23:01,240 Speaker 1: and so you have to have a sense of self. 444 00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:03,679 Speaker 1: I wholeheartedly believe you have to have a sense of 445 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:06,480 Speaker 1: self outside of work. Being able to run these races 446 00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:10,080 Speaker 1: or porn to friends, peorn to family is helpful in 447 00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:12,160 Speaker 1: me having a sense of self outside of work. 448 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:19,399 Speaker 2: Taking a little break from today's episode to give some 449 00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:23,280 Speaker 2: love to my friends at A six. Whether your new 450 00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:27,439 Speaker 2: year's goals consist of more positive mindsets, more movement, or 451 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:30,560 Speaker 2: more miles, asex is here to make every step a 452 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:35,280 Speaker 2: step in comfort. Now launching on January tenth, a hurdle favorite, 453 00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:38,160 Speaker 2: the gel Nimbus twenty seven. I laugh whenever I say 454 00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:40,960 Speaker 2: the word Nimbus because it makes me think of Harry Potter. 455 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:43,800 Speaker 2: But I digress. 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I wanted to be able to 473 00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:56,880 Speaker 1: think about continuously growing as the year goes on, as 474 00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:59,159 Speaker 1: the days go on, minutes, all of that stuff, and 475 00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:03,120 Speaker 1: so just being open to the act of continuously growing 476 00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:04,399 Speaker 1: was really important for me. 477 00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:08,360 Speaker 2: Okay, growing twenty twenty four. What would you say the 478 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:11,679 Speaker 2: hardest challenge was that you had to grow through in 479 00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:12,600 Speaker 2: twenty twenty four? 480 00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:16,240 Speaker 1: Oh my god, I mean work was intense. It's the 481 00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:18,720 Speaker 1: first full year that I was an editor in chief, 482 00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:22,879 Speaker 1: so that took a lot of growing through managing people. 483 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:25,960 Speaker 1: I feel like we've discussed this before, but managing people 484 00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:30,359 Speaker 1: is a special set of skills that I think is 485 00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:35,600 Speaker 1: somewhat inherent. But you can continue to you know, harness 486 00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:39,000 Speaker 1: and tinker and grow and really sort of like learn people. 487 00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:41,440 Speaker 1: So I did a lot of that in twenty twenty 488 00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:43,760 Speaker 1: four and a lot of you know, I did some 489 00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:45,679 Speaker 1: things I did really well. Some things that I look 490 00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:47,720 Speaker 1: back on, I'm like, was wasn't my best performance. I 491 00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:51,359 Speaker 1: probably could have done better there, But just like acknowledging 492 00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:53,479 Speaker 1: that and growing from those things has been really important 493 00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:54,200 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty four. 494 00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:56,160 Speaker 2: Well, if you don't acknowledge it, then you can't grow 495 00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:59,000 Speaker 2: from it exactly. And I think that that whether we're 496 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:02,280 Speaker 2: talking person like, professionally, and whatever aspect it is that 497 00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:05,879 Speaker 2: we're looking at here, that acknowledgement and meeting yourself with 498 00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:08,880 Speaker 2: where you're at is the first step into getting anywhere else. 499 00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:14,320 Speaker 2: And for those that have trouble then meeting themselves with 500 00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:16,800 Speaker 2: where they're at or getting honest about it. I do 501 00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:18,400 Speaker 2: think that there are a few tools that you can 502 00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:21,240 Speaker 2: implement so that you can kind of break through those walls. 503 00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:24,359 Speaker 2: For me, a really big practice is journaling and writing 504 00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:27,760 Speaker 2: things down. Sometimes when you have these thoughts and you 505 00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:30,159 Speaker 2: don't consolidate them into one place, they just kind of 506 00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:33,800 Speaker 2: float around and allow you to kind of maybe stretch 507 00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:36,320 Speaker 2: your own version of the truth. So journaling for me 508 00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:38,840 Speaker 2: is really helpful. Also talking to other people about where 509 00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:40,400 Speaker 2: I'm at. Do you have any tools that you use 510 00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:42,280 Speaker 2: to kind of come to terms with what is? 511 00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:47,280 Speaker 1: Oh, that's such a good question. I wish I could 512 00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:50,399 Speaker 1: say journaling. I'm honestly not the best. I'm really not 513 00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:53,879 Speaker 1: a good journaler. But I do think that talking to 514 00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:57,480 Speaker 1: friends has been really helpful. I think, you know, I 515 00:26:57,520 --> 00:26:59,600 Speaker 1: was talking to one of my really good friends and 516 00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:02,119 Speaker 1: she told me something that she had learned in therapy 517 00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:04,199 Speaker 1: was this concept of keeping your shirt on and so 518 00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:08,080 Speaker 1: not overextending yourself, not rushing to solve other people's problems, 519 00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:10,320 Speaker 1: which in learning that, I was like, oh, I actually 520 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:13,119 Speaker 1: do that often. And so taking those moments to really 521 00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:16,440 Speaker 1: ask my friends what's going like what they have learned 522 00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:21,040 Speaker 1: through their own sort of either therapy practices or check 523 00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:23,480 Speaker 1: ins with themselves and trying to apply those learnings. 524 00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:24,359 Speaker 2: Has been really helpful for me. 525 00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:28,359 Speaker 1: And then I think like doing these sorts of not 526 00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:31,360 Speaker 1: end of your wrap ups, but like really asking your 527 00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:35,920 Speaker 1: self pointed questions and then responding to them is really key. 528 00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:39,119 Speaker 2: Yeah. I've never done like any set, like any level 529 00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:41,440 Speaker 2: of personal reflection had been like what a waste of time? 530 00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:41,879 Speaker 2: That was? 531 00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:44,920 Speaker 1: No, not at all, actually, no, no way. Yeah, it's 532 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:49,679 Speaker 1: just it's always such an opportunity to really stop and say, Okay, 533 00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:51,560 Speaker 1: how did that make me feel? I feel like people 534 00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:53,120 Speaker 1: really rush through life. I know I'm one of those 535 00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:57,480 Speaker 1: people who like really rush through life. So stopping and 536 00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:00,880 Speaker 1: thinking about questions like these is a is a weird exercise. 537 00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:04,040 Speaker 2: And to your point you said sitting down with different friends, 538 00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:06,359 Speaker 2: I think taking a look at your board of directors, 539 00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:09,119 Speaker 2: knowing that the people that you surround yourself with they 540 00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:12,480 Speaker 2: all bring different things to that boardroom table, right, So 541 00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:15,520 Speaker 2: to be able to have conversations like this with different 542 00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:19,239 Speaker 2: individuals is also super critical because it's not really like, oh, 543 00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:22,000 Speaker 2: I've had one conversation about how the year went with 544 00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:24,520 Speaker 2: one person, I can move forward now. It's like no, like, 545 00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:28,960 Speaker 2: other people can really help you dial in on the 546 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:32,360 Speaker 2: different parts of your story, and that's super valuable. Totally. 547 00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:35,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think that for me as well, 548 00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:40,080 Speaker 1: like hosting nice talk over this last year my podcast, 549 00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:42,640 Speaker 1: I ask a lot of the same questions to all 550 00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:45,560 Speaker 1: of the women that come on, so like when do 551 00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:46,800 Speaker 1: you feel your most powerful? 552 00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:49,479 Speaker 2: When do you feel powerless? Like how do you harness 553 00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:49,960 Speaker 2: your power? 554 00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:51,360 Speaker 1: How do you say no? How do you learn to 555 00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:55,000 Speaker 1: advocate for yourself? Asking all of these different types of 556 00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:57,960 Speaker 1: people from like Leno Waith and Asia Wilson to like 557 00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:01,920 Speaker 1: Page Disorbo and you know Brinn from Real Housewives of 558 00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:03,640 Speaker 1: New York. Like talking to all of these different types 559 00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:07,160 Speaker 1: of women and asking them the same pointed questions has 560 00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:09,400 Speaker 1: really been interesting for me because I get to take 561 00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:12,000 Speaker 1: a little bit of advice, like slice of life from 562 00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:13,280 Speaker 1: each person that I get to talk to. 563 00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:16,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, how hard was it for you not to fan 564 00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:19,320 Speaker 2: girl over Brynn? Because I listened to this episode and 565 00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:22,600 Speaker 2: I was just giggling on my little run and listening 566 00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:24,160 Speaker 2: to the two of you talk. I was like, Nikki 567 00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:25,800 Speaker 2: is loving every ounce of this. 568 00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:28,800 Speaker 1: I truly like every person that I get to speak 569 00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:31,920 Speaker 1: with on the podcast is like hand chosen, hand selected 570 00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:34,160 Speaker 1: for a reason for one reason or the other. 571 00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:38,000 Speaker 2: Brinn, I think, is like actually just hysterical. I really 572 00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:38,360 Speaker 2: like her. 573 00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:40,880 Speaker 1: I know she's having a tough season on Real Housewives 574 00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:42,560 Speaker 1: of New York this season, but like, I have a 575 00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:45,280 Speaker 1: soft spot for her and there and I think that 576 00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:48,959 Speaker 1: she is when I think of like women in New 577 00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:50,600 Speaker 1: York who are trying to make it on their own, 578 00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:53,280 Speaker 1: trying to do their own thing, have their own businesses, 579 00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:55,280 Speaker 1: I really do think she embodies that, and so it 580 00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:56,280 Speaker 1: was so fun to talk to her. 581 00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:59,240 Speaker 2: I love that you mentioned twenty twenty five the word 582 00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:02,880 Speaker 2: is flexibilit Why is flexibility important to you in twenty 583 00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:03,440 Speaker 2: twenty five? 584 00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:06,800 Speaker 1: Flexibility manifests itself in a couple of different ways, or 585 00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:08,760 Speaker 1: I see it manifesting itself in a couple of different 586 00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:09,920 Speaker 1: ways over twenty twenty five. 587 00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:11,720 Speaker 2: So literally physically, so. 588 00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:16,000 Speaker 1: Like being able to like continuing to stretch a mobility 589 00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:18,120 Speaker 1: and yoga and all of those things, but also just 590 00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:22,640 Speaker 1: flexibility in work and in life. Like if there's one 591 00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:25,160 Speaker 1: thing that being an editor in chief at Marie Claras 592 00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:27,600 Speaker 1: taught me is that I never know what the day 593 00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:31,240 Speaker 1: will bring, and just being able to roll with the punches, 594 00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:33,360 Speaker 1: or if I do get punched, then getting back up 595 00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:38,560 Speaker 1: in good time is I think inherent to longevity in 596 00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:39,240 Speaker 1: this business. 597 00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:40,720 Speaker 2: So that's really important to me. 598 00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:44,960 Speaker 1: And then flexibility with friends and with you know, relationships 599 00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:49,960 Speaker 1: and family, Like I don't know where I will be personally, 600 00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:52,840 Speaker 1: you know, it's hard to plan. I may have to 601 00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:55,320 Speaker 1: pop up and fly to Paris in three weeks, like 602 00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:58,640 Speaker 1: who knows, And so just being able to be comfortable 603 00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:01,320 Speaker 1: a bit in that flexibility is really important. So I 604 00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:04,840 Speaker 1: don't like snap when something just like goes slightly off course. 605 00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:11,440 Speaker 2: It's just so challenging, understandably rely tough, right because also, 606 00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:14,480 Speaker 2: as we've talked about, you are someone who loves a schedule. 607 00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:17,360 Speaker 2: You already know what you're doing two to three weeks 608 00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:20,520 Speaker 2: from now, should a trip to Paris pop up, and 609 00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:24,440 Speaker 2: then having to go back and pivot and move and 610 00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:27,640 Speaker 2: shake from that can understandably feel a little bit frustrating. 611 00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:30,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, and it can feel unnerving a little bit too, 612 00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:34,360 Speaker 1: Like I realize over the pandemic and then just over 613 00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:36,800 Speaker 1: the last couple of years, like I am not good 614 00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:42,360 Speaker 1: with change, and that was very illuminating for me, and 615 00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:44,920 Speaker 1: I just sort of have to get better with change. 616 00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:46,840 Speaker 1: I would think one way to get better with change 617 00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:48,800 Speaker 1: is just embracing flexibility. 618 00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:54,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, understandable though the difficulty that comes with navigating change 619 00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:58,320 Speaker 2: and also the importance of having grace with yourself knowing 620 00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:01,400 Speaker 2: that so much of the change that we experienced over 621 00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:05,440 Speaker 2: the last handful of years was not only unforeseen but 622 00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:09,280 Speaker 2: also hate this word, but unprecedented. 623 00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:11,960 Speaker 1: Right, and so we're knowing as well that we're heading 624 00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:17,520 Speaker 1: into another four years of uncharted, unprecedented territory. Like flexibility 625 00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:19,000 Speaker 1: is going to be the only thing that gets me through. 626 00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:22,719 Speaker 2: Yeah, like full stop, and good people and good movement 627 00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:27,440 Speaker 2: and perhaps good wine, definitely good wine, absolutely Okay, Looking 628 00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:30,320 Speaker 2: into twenty twenty five, what would you say you're most 629 00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:32,000 Speaker 2: excited about, Nikki. 630 00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:35,160 Speaker 1: Oh, what am I most excited about in twenty twenty five? 631 00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:39,200 Speaker 2: I don't know. I think it's like settling into. 632 00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:42,560 Speaker 1: Who I was able to grow into in twenty twenty four. Honestly, 633 00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:46,200 Speaker 1: I'm really excited to see what life and twenty twenty 634 00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:49,120 Speaker 1: five will bring me. In terms of work, Like, I 635 00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:53,080 Speaker 1: think I'm honestly just getting started at Marie Clair. So 636 00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:55,239 Speaker 1: this last year was like definitely a growing year, So 637 00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:57,320 Speaker 1: I'm excited to see what that brings me. 638 00:32:57,720 --> 00:32:59,840 Speaker 2: And then for friends and relationships, I'm. 639 00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:03,680 Speaker 1: Really excited to continue to grow them. Honestly, I think 640 00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:08,400 Speaker 1: I've really sort of settled into who I am, and 641 00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:10,840 Speaker 1: I'm really proud of myself and I'm really just excited 642 00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:13,040 Speaker 1: to continue to grow in that way. 643 00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:15,480 Speaker 2: This word growing is really resonant for us here today. 644 00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:17,760 Speaker 2: I think so it is it should be. When you 645 00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:20,120 Speaker 2: think about who it is that you are at your core, 646 00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:23,200 Speaker 2: what comes to mind, I'm kind of silly. 647 00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:29,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a silly side in here, and I think 648 00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:33,600 Speaker 1: I'm I think I'm an optimist honestly, Like, yeah, i 649 00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:37,840 Speaker 1: think I'm an optimist. I'm really excited to knowing that 650 00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:41,280 Speaker 1: these next years will be possibly tough. I still am 651 00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:43,800 Speaker 1: a half I'm still a glass half full kind of go. 652 00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:47,680 Speaker 2: Yeah you are. Then we know that energy that tracks 653 00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:51,400 Speaker 2: like energy. So by being an optimist and choosing to 654 00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:54,280 Speaker 2: view things with this glass half full perspective, you are 655 00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:57,640 Speaker 2: then met with situations and people that also treat you 656 00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:00,520 Speaker 2: with that good energy percent. 657 00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:03,760 Speaker 1: Another word I would add is pragmatic, Like I'm very 658 00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:07,960 Speaker 1: sort of I don't have my heads in the clouds, 659 00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:11,279 Speaker 1: Like I know very clearly what is happening, and I 660 00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:13,560 Speaker 1: can accept it and I may not like it, but 661 00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:15,880 Speaker 1: I can't accept it and understand it and say okay, 662 00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:19,880 Speaker 1: like it's not great but maybe the positive way of 663 00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:23,320 Speaker 1: looking at this is this, or maybe there's not a 664 00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:24,840 Speaker 1: positive way of looking at and you just got to 665 00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:26,239 Speaker 1: sit in it for a little bit and then you 666 00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:26,680 Speaker 1: can move on. 667 00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:30,040 Speaker 2: Have you always been pragmatic? Yeah? Yeah, yeah. Well I 668 00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:32,560 Speaker 2: think some people that like hear you explain that, they're like, wow, 669 00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:35,560 Speaker 2: that attitude or that approach sounds very pleasant, and maybe 670 00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:37,879 Speaker 2: I don't know how to harness that approach. So that's 671 00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:38,279 Speaker 2: why I A. 672 00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:42,239 Speaker 1: I know, I have always been pragmatic, and I think 673 00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:45,880 Speaker 1: it's mostly because like working in the in the fashion industry, 674 00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:49,920 Speaker 1: like you can get spun out and spun in dizzying 675 00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:51,560 Speaker 1: ways all the time. 676 00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:53,239 Speaker 2: If you allow yourself to. 677 00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:56,000 Speaker 1: And so I really just try to stay rooted and 678 00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:59,200 Speaker 1: pragmatic in my daily life so I don't get like 679 00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:01,440 Speaker 1: spun away in a tornado. 680 00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:02,160 Speaker 2: You know, it's. 681 00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:06,800 Speaker 1: Catastrophizing, like this industry, the news, like people love to catastrophize, 682 00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:09,440 Speaker 1: and I really really try to not fall for. 683 00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:13,360 Speaker 2: That, Wow, catastrophizing. We don't want to do that. In 684 00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:14,440 Speaker 2: twenty twenty five. 685 00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:16,799 Speaker 1: You will find yourself catastrophizing, will be like damn, how 686 00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:17,360 Speaker 1: did that happen? 687 00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:19,200 Speaker 2: Literally how did I get there? But The thing is 688 00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:22,200 Speaker 2: is that once you start catastrophizing one thing again. I 689 00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:24,680 Speaker 2: know I just said this, but energy attracts like energy, right, 690 00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:27,240 Speaker 2: So if you are sitting there thinking about the worst 691 00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:30,000 Speaker 2: possible case scenario in one aspect of your life, then 692 00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:32,360 Speaker 2: I guarantee you that it's gonna feel like the dominoes 693 00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:34,040 Speaker 2: are starting to fall everywhere around. 694 00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:37,320 Speaker 1: And everything is just like I can't catch a break, 695 00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:39,480 Speaker 1: or this is so shitty, your life is so horrible, 696 00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:41,960 Speaker 1: and it's like, gotta break yourself of that. 697 00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:45,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, we talked about the word for twenty four being growing. 698 00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:47,080 Speaker 2: Would you say that that growth is what you're actually 699 00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:47,719 Speaker 2: most proud of? 700 00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:53,399 Speaker 1: I am really proud of the growth of twenty twenty four. Yeah, 701 00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:55,120 Speaker 1: I am very, very proud of the growth of twenty 702 00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:59,640 Speaker 1: twenty four. And I'm also proud of the sort of 703 00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:03,240 Speaker 1: residual growth that I think I've been able to impart 704 00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:08,960 Speaker 1: on people around me, from colleagues to friends to a family. 705 00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:11,400 Speaker 2: We love growth, We love growth for all. As you 706 00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:13,640 Speaker 2: start to wind down here, Nikki, tell me, what is 707 00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:17,480 Speaker 2: one thing that you're doing now that you never really 708 00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:21,760 Speaker 2: envisioned yourself doing, either personally or professionally. 709 00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:26,200 Speaker 1: I mean, there's like a handful of things. Number one 710 00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:28,560 Speaker 1: is being daitor in chief. If you had asked me 711 00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:32,000 Speaker 1: in two thousand and seven if I was going to 712 00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:35,239 Speaker 1: do this job, I don't know that I well, I 713 00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:37,839 Speaker 1: know I wouldn't have said yes. It just wasn't even 714 00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:41,440 Speaker 1: on a vision board for me. So that's really really exciting. 715 00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:43,800 Speaker 2: What was on a vision board? Oh in two thousand 716 00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:45,240 Speaker 2: and seven, Yeah, it was small. 717 00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:48,080 Speaker 1: I wanted to be a market director and that job 718 00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:52,279 Speaker 1: barely even exists anymore. So it was I think for 719 00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:56,360 Speaker 1: me in two thousand and seven, graduating from college, I 720 00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:58,600 Speaker 1: didn't even know what like this world could afford me, 721 00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:05,720 Speaker 1: and so just dreaming big, embracing the expansiveness of life 722 00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:11,880 Speaker 1: has been key. In continuing to embrace that has been integral, 723 00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:12,880 Speaker 1: I think to my success. 724 00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:16,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so funny because I always think about and 725 00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:18,319 Speaker 2: love by this. Remember when you wanted what you have 726 00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:22,520 Speaker 2: now concept and I too can relate to that. I 727 00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:25,320 Speaker 2: didn't even know that I could be doing what I'm doing, 728 00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:29,040 Speaker 2: and I never envisioned some of the things that are 729 00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:32,840 Speaker 2: now on my vision board. And I think that that's 730 00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:35,759 Speaker 2: a really powerful place to be in, to be in 731 00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:38,759 Speaker 2: this place where you realize and have an appreciation for 732 00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:42,200 Speaker 2: where you're at, and then now are empowered and not 733 00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:47,080 Speaker 2: so scared to dream even bigger. Yeah, that's some pretty 734 00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:51,040 Speaker 2: awesome Stuffred percent, what facets of the job are you? Like? 735 00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:53,040 Speaker 2: This is exactly where I'm supposed to be right now. 736 00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:58,040 Speaker 2: I really love the big ideation. I like the idea of. 737 00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:02,440 Speaker 1: I don't want to say, pushing people, but really encouraging 738 00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:07,279 Speaker 1: people to be better. I've always said that I know 739 00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:10,960 Speaker 1: I have high standards, but I'm not unfair. 740 00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:16,360 Speaker 2: I'm not, you know, delusional. I'm not. Yeah, I'm not unfair. 741 00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:21,040 Speaker 1: And so just knowing that having high standards can bring 742 00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:24,120 Speaker 1: a product, can bring a brand, can bring myself to 743 00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:27,360 Speaker 1: new heights is really inspiring. 744 00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:29,480 Speaker 2: I love that. I love that. All right. The last 745 00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:31,400 Speaker 2: thing we're going to do here today is we're going 746 00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:34,680 Speaker 2: to set a smart goal for twenty twenty five. Oh interesting? Okay, Okay, 747 00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:38,239 Speaker 2: so do you have one off the top of your head? No, 748 00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:40,200 Speaker 2: how do smart goals work? I shall know this? No, 749 00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:43,080 Speaker 2: I love I love being this person for you. Okay. 750 00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:48,640 Speaker 2: Smart goals specific, measurable, attainable, relevant, and time bound. So 751 00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:51,319 Speaker 2: an example of a smart goal that would be like 752 00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:54,240 Speaker 2: a habit based goal would be I'm going to drink 753 00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:58,600 Speaker 2: three thirty two ounce bottles of water a day right now. 754 00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:01,640 Speaker 2: I probably drink too if I'm lucky. This is me 755 00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:06,040 Speaker 2: confessing my weakest area of wellness. So it's specific in 756 00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:09,120 Speaker 2: that it's three bottles, it's measurable, it's three bottles. It's 757 00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:11,680 Speaker 2: attainable because I'm at too, so like one more bottle 758 00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:15,160 Speaker 2: is it's doable. It's relevant because I care about it, 759 00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:17,440 Speaker 2: because I'm active, because I know the benefits of hydration, 760 00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:20,080 Speaker 2: and it's time bound in that I want to do 761 00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:21,799 Speaker 2: it over the course of one day. Now, you could 762 00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:26,479 Speaker 2: have like a milestone goal, which is in November, I'm 763 00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:30,439 Speaker 2: going to run the New York City Marathon. That if 764 00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:33,040 Speaker 2: you are someone that cares passionately about running already has 765 00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:35,480 Speaker 2: some sort of a base, that could be a realistic 766 00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:38,040 Speaker 2: smart goal for you. Okay, that's good. 767 00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:42,799 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think then my smart goal. I 768 00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:44,799 Speaker 1: know you guys are tired of me hearing saying this, 769 00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:47,279 Speaker 1: but it really would revolve around stretching. So I want 770 00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:49,879 Speaker 1: to stretch like twenty minutes a day, and that could 771 00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:52,880 Speaker 1: be broken up. I would see myself doing it in 772 00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:55,919 Speaker 1: small chunks, so like ten minutes in the morning, ten 773 00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:59,200 Speaker 1: minutes in the evening and doing it, you know, five 774 00:39:59,280 --> 00:39:59,880 Speaker 1: days a week. 775 00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:04,640 Speaker 2: How many days a week are you doing that right now? Three? Oh? Okay, okay, 776 00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:06,920 Speaker 2: then that is a smart goal. So it would be 777 00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:09,560 Speaker 2: unsmart if you told me you were doing it one 778 00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:11,799 Speaker 2: day a week right now, and then you wanted to 779 00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:14,520 Speaker 2: do it five days a week. So a smart goal 780 00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:17,279 Speaker 2: for someone who's currently stretching for twenty minutes three days 781 00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:19,160 Speaker 2: a week could be I want to stretch for twenty 782 00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:22,120 Speaker 2: minutes five days a week. Yeah, Okay, there it is. 783 00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:23,800 Speaker 2: There's your smart gorole for twenty check in at the 784 00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:26,840 Speaker 2: end of the year. You know that we will thank you. 785 00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:29,120 Speaker 2: I'm so glad always to have the opportunity to sit 786 00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:30,799 Speaker 2: down with you. It brings me so much joy and 787 00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:33,719 Speaker 2: you're all of your optimistic awesomeness. Thank you for having me. 788 00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:36,279 Speaker 2: For those that don't follow along with you, just yet 789 00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:37,240 Speaker 2: give us the lowdown. 790 00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:41,560 Speaker 1: Okay, socials, you can find me nikki Ogoon on any 791 00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:48,279 Speaker 1: platform Instagram, TikTok x, Blue Sky, and then podcast nice 792 00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:50,680 Speaker 1: Talk is the name of the podcast wherever you get 793 00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:51,760 Speaker 1: your podcasts. 794 00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:53,319 Speaker 2: And that's it. I'm over at Emily Body and at 795 00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:56,960 Speaker 2: Hurdle Podcast, another hurdle conquered. Catch you guys next time. 796 00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:01,239 Speaker 1: An