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Speaker 2: The sign said killer on the loose, Please be careful,

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Speaker 1: You keep walking and see a second sign with the

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Speaker 2: Count Parents were warning their kids to be careful because

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Speaker 1: What a way to communicate in a time before you

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Speaker 1: serial Killer. These women were all attacked in their homes,

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Speaker 2: Part, there was no forced entry into any of the houses.

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Speaker 3: Serial killer popping his way into women's houses as he

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Speaker 4: That's when the therape begin.

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Speaker 1: Today, we're in Baden Rouge for part one of The

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Speaker 1: Serial Killer of South Louisiana. I'm Sloan Glass and this

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Speaker 1: is American Homicide. A note that this episode contains some

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Speaker 1: graphic content. Please take care while listening. On the shores

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Speaker 1: of the Mighty Mississippi in downtown Baden Rouge. Since the

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Speaker 1: campus is of Southern University, a m College, and Louisiana

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Speaker 1: State University. During the school year, forty thousand students pour

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Speaker 1: LSU campus.

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Speaker 2: It's a fairly large campus, so it can take you,

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Speaker 1: Journalist Melinda Delatt is an LSU grad who worked for

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Speaker 2: It's a very green campus, buildings from different eras, but

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Speaker 1: Over twelve hundred oak trees line the LSU campus, giving

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Speaker 2: And then around the outside of the campus there are

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Speaker 1: And during weekends in the fall, the LSU campus transforms

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Speaker 2: I think what people think of is, you know, the

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Speaker 1: That en Rouge is the home to the LSU Tigers.

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Speaker 1: Tailgating on Saturdays is a rite of passage for students.

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Speaker 2: You know. Campus is filled with thousands upon thousands of

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Speaker 2: It's bigger than the Superdome for New Orleans Saints game,

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Speaker 1: Back in two thousand and one, the LSU Tigers won

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Speaker 2: Later, Gina Green was found murdered in her home. And

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Speaker 1: Gina Green was forty years old and lived alone.

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Speaker 2: She was raped, she was strangled, and I don't think

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Speaker 5: She was a nurse, a supervising nurse, and she just

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Speaker 5: She was well loved and respected and there was just

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Speaker 1: We always look at the significant other. First, Gina was

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Speaker 1: Although the killer managed to get in and out Gina's

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Speaker 1: One of those mothers was and Pace. Her daughter, Murray

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Speaker 3: My daughter lived three houses down from Gina Green, and

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Speaker 1: In the spring of two thousand and two, Murray graduated

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Speaker 5: In, Murray pace was found by her roommate, just horribly attacked,

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Speaker 4: Her throat was slit, she was nude.

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Speaker 4: She had been just beaten to death.

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Speaker 1: This is really hard to hear, so if you're squeamish,

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Speaker 4: As she fought hard. She fought really, really hard.

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Speaker 1: Murray had defensive wounds on her arms, hands, and wrists.

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Speaker 1: They also found DNA evidence that Murray had been sexually assaulted.

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Speaker 4: That was just sitting on the arm of her chair.

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Speaker 1: Murray had been waiting for her roommate to come home

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Speaker 5: Apparently he got in and out without being seen, so

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Speaker 1: And once again, just like with Gina Green's murder, the

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Speaker 1: So how did the killer get inside? The police didn't know,

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Speaker 5: She was like uncomfortable, but it didn't disturb her to

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Speaker 1: So was that man scoping out Murray and her apartment

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Speaker 5: Bad and Ruse was scared. I mean the people in

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Speaker 1: Bad and Rouge was scared. But I can't stop thinking

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Speaker 6: Imagine finishing high school, so young in college and she'd

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Speaker 1: Without knowing why, Murray's mother went in search of how.

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Speaker 3: I went and saw all the crime saying and autopsy pictures.

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Speaker 6: Because I thought, if she endured it, I need to

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Speaker 3: When did she know she wouldn't?

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Speaker 6: She was darn you know, when did she know that nobody.

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Speaker 3: Was going to come in? Saber?

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Speaker 3: Is there? Mother?

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Speaker 4: Only couldn't do it. You couldn't protect her from that either.

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Speaker 1: Gina Green was beaten, sexually assaulted, and strangled to death

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Speaker 1: They revealed that DNA found at both murder scenes belonged

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Speaker 7: I think everybody needs to be aware that we've got

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Speaker 1: That was the bat and Rouge police chief, and just

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Speaker 1: three days after he said that, a woman vanished from

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Speaker 5: Pam Kinnemore disappeared, her family came home and she was

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Speaker 1: Pam and her family lived right outside Baden Rouge, and

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Speaker 1: and most eerie, her keys were found dangling from the

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Speaker 5: Based on the evidence of her house, you could see

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Speaker 5: she was all set up to take with that relaxing

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Speaker 1: The water was probably still warm when the murderer came

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Speaker 5: There was the scrug, and this rug had a blood

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Speaker 4: She was working this case. So she crawled.

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Speaker 5: Around on that rug and checked every spot that she could.

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Speaker 5: Most of them were Pam Kennimore's blood, but she found

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Speaker 5: actually called me and said, I got him, I got him.

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Speaker 4: He's there.

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Speaker 1: He's there, meaning the DNA on that bathrug matched the

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Speaker 1: DNA found on the other victims. In other words, the

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Speaker 1: A few days later, they found Pam Kinnemore some thirty

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Speaker 1: It didn't help that the police didn't say much about

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Speaker 2: If you're living in a place that's very terrified because

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Speaker 1: The families got vocal and held rallies and press conferences

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Speaker 2: These overlaps that we found, they're thin, They're very thin.

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Speaker 1: By that time, another school year was beginning, and that's

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Speaker 2: The sign said killer on the loose, Please be careful, Love.

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Speaker 1: Mom computer printed in all caps. The laminated signs took

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Speaker 1: In the summer of two thousand and two. As the

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Speaker 1: Person DNA linked. The killer took three known victims, but

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Speaker 2: I think it was more than three dozen different people involved,

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Speaker 1: This task force held daily press conferences and revealed their

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Speaker 1: first huge lead. On the night that Pam Kennimore disappeared,

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Speaker 1: The eyewitness said the woman appeared to be nude and.

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Speaker 2: Dead, and then that truck took the exit at Whiskey

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Speaker 1: Here's audio from the Sheriff's office in East Baton Rouge Parish.

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Speaker 7: The fact that it was a female who was nude

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Speaker 1: So the eyewitness saw a white guy driving a white

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Speaker 2: And quite frankly, you know, that profile is the most

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Speaker 1: There were twenty seven thousand white trucks in bat and Rouge,

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Speaker 2: They were stereotyped. We had stories of people who sold

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Speaker 1: And the only way for these guys to prove they

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Speaker 2: They did a DNA dragnet at the time, and they

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Speaker 2: swabbed all these men. I think it was nearly a

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Speaker 1: All of this took time and a lot of patience.

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Speaker 1: Here's Prosecutor Dana Cummings.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I remember going out to eat and you know,

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Speaker 5: which is ridiculous because we've got a billion of them

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Speaker 1: That little bit of information only amped up the uneasiness.

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Speaker 5: There were so many suspects and it went on for

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Speaker 5: so long. It's just like this monster that you can't understand.

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Speaker 5: And he seemed to prey on people that he obviously

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Speaker 5: I guess from a criminal's perspective, it's high risk. You know,

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Speaker 1: The public was desperate for answers, so were the police

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Speaker 1: By the time he did a double take, the truck

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Speaker 1: Melinda Delott.

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Speaker 2: The person who provided this information initially just remembered a

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Speaker 1: That's when the police did something a bit unconventional. They

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Speaker 5: It was revealed that the pate on the truck was aging,

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Speaker 2: A lot of this other information about what the witness

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Speaker 1: Yes, they hypnotized the witness. It might sound insane, A

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Speaker 1: And while hypnosis is not always ad miss in court,

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Speaker 1: But for a police department desperate for answers, it was

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Speaker 2: Her name is Denay Cologne. She was twenty three. She

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Speaker 1: Denay was on leave from the army and listened to

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Speaker 2: They found her car, her purse, and her keys near

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Speaker 1: Denay Cologne had been visiting her mother's grave when she disappeared.

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Speaker 1: Two days later, Denay's body turned up in a wooded

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Speaker 1: And then came an announcement from law enforcement.

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Speaker 2: All of a sudden, the police in Baton Rouge started

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Speaker 1: People didn't know what to think, and they started questioning

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Speaker 2: You're already talking about a city that's on edge, and

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Speaker 1: In the spring of two thousand and three, that frustration

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Speaker 2: College student by the name of Carie Lynn Yoder. She

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Speaker 1: The killer had returned to a familiar area, an apartment

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Speaker 1: just off the LSU campus. That's where Carrie Yoder lived

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Speaker 1: while attending grad school. That afternoon, she had returned from

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Speaker 1: before her, there was no sign of forced entry at

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Speaker 1: her apartment. Her body turned up a week later.

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Speaker 2: She was found in the same Whiskey Bay area where

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Speaker 2: Pamkenimore's body was found and similar set of circumstances. Beaten, raped,

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Speaker 2: strangled to death. And so I think it just restarts

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Speaker 2: the whole process of people getting newly terrified. The person

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Speaker 2: who did this just seems so angry. There's no rhyme

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Speaker 2: or reason to where the murders are happening. You can

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Speaker 2: be in your twenties or be in your forties and

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Speaker 1: That's when things went from bad to worse when the

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Speaker 1: task force once again changed their profile of the suspected killer.

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Speaker 2: They said, you know, it could be a white guy

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Speaker 2: who's more dark complexed, or maybe a man of a

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Speaker 2: mixed racial heritage, or perhaps a black man. This just

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Speaker 2: made everybody think, well, hell, were they looking for the

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Speaker 2: wrong person the whole time? And have they even been

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Speaker 2: investigating what they needed to be investigating. Have they limited

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Speaker 2: themselves in such a way that they were dismissing information

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Speaker 2: that could have been relevant.

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Speaker 1: So you have a serial killer who was able to

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Speaker 1: easily get in and out of victims' homes without being caught,

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Speaker 1: and all the police could say was that the suspect

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Speaker 1: was a man aged twenty five to thirty five who

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Speaker 1: drove a white Chevy truck, and that profile came from

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Speaker 1: an eyewitness who had to be hypnotized. For over a

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Speaker 1: year and a half, this suspect terrorized South Louisiana and

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Speaker 1: frustrated the local, state, and federal agencies. Meanwhile, a small

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Speaker 1: police department fifteen miles north of Baden Rouge believed they

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Speaker 1: knew who the killer was.

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Speaker 8: I told Macpartson, you know who it is.

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Speaker 1: That's David McDavid. He was a detective with the Zachary

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Speaker 1: Police Department. At the time, the Zachary pet had been

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Speaker 1: investigating two unsolved murders in town, along with an attack

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Speaker 1: on a couple. These cases had an eerie similarity to

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Speaker 1: what was happening in Baden Rouge.

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Speaker 8: The evidence that we were being shown and told about

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Speaker 8: is the same thing that was happening here at our

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Speaker 8: crime stings.

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Speaker 1: So the police from Zachary put a presentation together and

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Speaker 1: met with the team investigating the South Louisiana serial killer.

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Speaker 8: We told them what we had as a little Jason.

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Speaker 8: If he knows he's about to be called, he's probably

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Speaker 8: finna kill again. Y'all need to find him.

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Speaker 1: But the Vaton Rouge PD told law enforcement from Zachary

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Speaker 1: they didn't think they were looking for the same guy.

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Speaker 8: It bothered me somewhat, but I think a lot of

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Speaker 8: it was we didn't work a lot of murders. You

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Speaker 8: don't have him, maybe one or two murders here before

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Speaker 8: FAV five ten years.

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Speaker 1: But that didn't stop them. Somehow, some way, it was

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Speaker 1: the small town PD from Zachary, Louisiana who would do

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Speaker 1: what the task force couldn't.

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Speaker 8: At the end of the day, you know, we're able

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Speaker 8: to have the piece of the pie that saw the case.

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Speaker 1: In the conclusion of the South Louisiana serial killer. We'll

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Speaker 1: learn who the killer is.

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Speaker 2: Everybody was talking about a white man in a white

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Speaker 2: pickup truck. In neither of those two things handed out

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Speaker 2: to be.

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Speaker 1: Anything, and we'll find out how this small town police

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Speaker 1: department figured it all out. That's next time on American Homicide.

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