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Speaker 1: Welcome to Dirty Rush, The Truth about Sorority Life with

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Speaker 1: your hosts me Gia Judce.

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Speaker 2: Daisy Kent, and Jennifer Kessler.

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Speaker 1: Hey guys, and welcome back to another episode of Dirty Rush.

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Speaker 2: I'm Gia jud Dice, I'm Jen Kessler, and.

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Speaker 1: We have another exciting guest.

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Speaker 2: You certainly do we have another sorority coach?

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Speaker 1: Oh, Leslie? Leslie? Am I gonna like you?

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Speaker 2: Or am I gonna hate you? I think that is

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Speaker 2: actually a very fair question, Miss Gia. I think this

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Speaker 2: is this is a new concept, right at least for us.

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Speaker 2: Maybe not at the University of Alabama maybe, but for us,

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Speaker 2: this is new. You had a college advisor, Yes, I

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Speaker 2: paid for a college advisor. I don't know that I

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Speaker 2: would ever pay for a sorority coach. I don't know

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Speaker 2: if you would ever employ one.

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Speaker 1: No, definitely not.

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Speaker 2: So we're going to be open, Yeah, right, I want to.

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Speaker 1: Ask her what schools she predominantly works for?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, she wouldn't work for the school. But which

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Speaker 2: who needs her the most?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Which campus? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Her name is Leslie Cunningham.

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Speaker 1: She's from Texas.

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Speaker 2: She's from Texas. On that surprise, that is, I went

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Speaker 2: to school in Texas. That is the land of Greek life.

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Speaker 2: Let's bring her, let's bring her in. Hello, Hi, Leslie, Hi, Hi,

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Speaker 2: thank you so much for joining us.

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Speaker 1: Sure, all right, So I guess we're gonna kind of

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Speaker 1: get into it. So this is dirty rush. We are

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Speaker 1: talking about all the ins and ounce of sorority life.

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Speaker 1: And I think a sorority coach is something that is

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Speaker 1: new to my knowledge. I went to Rutgers University, I

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Speaker 1: rushed in greek life, I was in Zada, but I

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Speaker 1: have never heard of a sorority coach before.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I am. I've actually now done an interview with

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Speaker 2: or done the pod with another sorority coach. She didn't

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Speaker 2: want to be called a coach. She wanted to be

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Speaker 2: called a consultant. I don't get it. I don't know

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Speaker 2: what the difference is. You go by coach or consultant

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Speaker 2: or you know what, they're interchange They're interchangeable, okay, And

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Speaker 2: I just want to like even the playing field. We're

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Speaker 2: a little skeptical but also open, and we have heard

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Speaker 2: some really nice things about you and your approach, and

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Speaker 2: so you know, please tell us what you do, how

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Speaker 2: you do it, how it all works.

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Speaker 1: Sure.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and there is I think a lot of skepticism

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Speaker 3: about this role and kind of what coaches do. But yeah,

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Speaker 3: I started my business already prep in twenty fifteen out

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Speaker 3: of the need from moms and girls who are going

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Speaker 3: to be going through the recruitment process and just wanted

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Speaker 3: help on how to navigate it. And so that's really

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Speaker 3: what I do, is I just kind of step in

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Speaker 3: to where the girls are in their nerves and questions

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Speaker 3: and curiosity and just help them to understand everything that

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Speaker 3: it's going to entail when they decide to, you know,

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Speaker 3: embark on this journey. There's a lot of moving parts

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Speaker 3: these days with sorority recruitment, so really my job is

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Speaker 3: just to kind of help them understand what to expect

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Speaker 3: forward and confidently stand out amongst the masses. Because nowadays

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Speaker 3: there are hundreds, if not thousands of women who want

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Speaker 3: to be a part of Greek life, which is wonderful,

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Speaker 3: but it can also be a little intimidating for maybe

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Speaker 1: So what schools or yeah, I guess schools not so

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Speaker 1: what schools predominantly like ask you to coach them.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so that's a great question.

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Speaker 3: I am typically am working with a lot of women

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Speaker 3: getting prepared for the parties themselves. But I do I

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Speaker 3: am now having more and more women from the Northeast.

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Speaker 4: Like I have a client this year.

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Speaker 3: She's going to Columbia, and her mom, you know, just

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Speaker 4: She has a lot of more plate with school.

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Speaker 3: And academics, and so it just makes sense to find

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that makes sense. Leslie. Our producer told us that

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Speaker 2: you actually focus on mental health, which I was I

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Speaker 2: was thrilled to hear because I think that's probably so necessary.

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Speaker 2: Do you have some education? Are you a mental health

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Speaker 3: So I actually, in doing this for ten years, I

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Speaker 3: the pressure from both moms and daughters to have more

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Speaker 4: And so this.

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Speaker 3: Last year I partnered with three mental health specialists, their counselors.

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Speaker 4: This is what they do.

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Speaker 3: They work in the Collegiate Women's Space, and we have

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Speaker 3: created a program. They are working with my clients separately

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Speaker 3: along with moms to help them sort of navigate how

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Speaker 3: recruitment has some rejection built into it, and so unfortunately

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Speaker 3: we are really just there to help them understand.

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Speaker 4: This is normal.

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Speaker 3: You're going to have some of these feelings. You're going

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Speaker 3: to have some of this anxiety, these hesitations. It's part

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Speaker 3: And so here are some ways that you can, you know,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a little daunting to think that that women,

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Speaker 2: young women need mental health help just to go through

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Speaker 2: this process. Right, Like, and I was in a sorority,

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Speaker 2: and obviously Gia was as well, and we've had a

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Speaker 2: lot of wonderful experiences, both of us, and I'm sure

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Speaker 2: you have as well. But there is something about this

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Speaker 2: back in the day, because they're social media, but just

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Speaker 2: inherently anxiety provoking. And as a coach, I'm glad to

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Speaker 2: hear that you're you know, you're actually dealing with that

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Speaker 2: and addressing it. I'm curious in terms of, like what

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Speaker 2: it is superficial, like take this off your social media,

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Speaker 2: wear this, this with your hair this. I've even heard

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Speaker 2: that coaches sometimes recommend certain tanning approaches self tanner to

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Speaker 2: I don't know, tell us.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I was going to ask you along the

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Speaker 1: same lines, like, so, going into sorority rush, say a

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Speaker 1: quote unquote criteria or stereotypical view that they usually accept

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Speaker 1: into their sorority. Do you feel comfortable physically changing like

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Speaker 1: their entire image and personality or do you recommend to them, Okay,

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Speaker 1: maybe this isn't the right option for you, to like

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Speaker 1: better their mental health rather than completely changing their person

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's a great question, and something I

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Speaker 3: think both girls and moms really struggle with is having

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Speaker 3: that a little different. When I start working with a client,

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Speaker 3: I really want to understand who she is first, because

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Speaker 3: I think these girls need to have the self confidence

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Speaker 3: keep up with once you join authority, and you're not

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Speaker 3: And so really my approach when I'm working with a

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Speaker 3: Who you are and how you are is not going

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Speaker 3: need to understand what are the things that are important

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Speaker 3: And that's how it's built in these days as far as.

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Speaker 4: Recruitment is concerned.

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Speaker 3: And so if a woman is very set on one thing,

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Speaker 3: I do explain to them there are going to be limitations.

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Speaker 3: Not every sobrity has a spot for every single girl,

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Speaker 3: open to the options you have. There is no bad

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Leslie, I'm going to have to like actually hone

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Speaker 2: in on this because I can't imagine that you don't

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Speaker 2: that's part of it, right.

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Speaker 3: There is a component of I think too, you want

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Speaker 3: make a good first impression. It's important to me. And

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Speaker 3: so these women also need to have the self confidence.

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Speaker 3: I'm really hoping that, like by going through the recruitment process,

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Speaker 3: have to be prepared in all of these different facets

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Speaker 3: just being able to kind of present yourself. You know,

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Speaker 3: these girls are very savvy and they understand that that

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Speaker 3: and your your first impression does make a big depth.

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Speaker 2: So what do you tell them in terms of do

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Speaker 2: you have specifics in terms of tanning, in terms of makeup,

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Speaker 2: are you saying to them, not a spray tan, make

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Speaker 2: sure your arms are Do you do all of that?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: I mean I talk them through. You know what is

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Speaker 3: their typical? Like what makes you feel good about yourself?

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Speaker 4: Is that having a tan?

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Speaker 3: You know, I have some clients that don't want good

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Speaker 3: think taking the time. Like I had a client this

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Speaker 1: Definitely effort. But I also feel while you're rushing and

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Speaker 4: And so if you're going in there, and like you mentioned.

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Speaker 4: I think that that should be reflected in both places.

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Speaker 1: Also giving them tips on you know, etiquacy and mannerisms.

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Speaker 2: Yes, what about the social media of it all? So

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Speaker 3: So I really come to it from a perspective of

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Speaker 4: Because again, if they meet you.

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Speaker 3: In person, that's not going to be necessarily things that

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry I mean to interrupt, but I'm just curious.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so you know that that comes up, and that's

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Speaker 3: I provide them sort of like a roadmap. Okay, I

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Speaker 3: Because really, the sororities are using the social media to

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Speaker 3: They may go and look at her social media and see, oh,

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Speaker 2: A lot of the soorties I'm thinking are looking at

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Speaker 2: you ever saying to these girls, listen, you know, find

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Speaker 2: I mean that, And it's just honest, like I know,

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Speaker 3: I typically don't because again, I'm not going from the

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Speaker 3: But let's try to focus on some of these other

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Speaker 1: On average, how much do you charge to you know,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so I can start working with a client as

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so you charge also hourly like people? Is it

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Speaker 3: I do, So I'll do an hourly option, or I

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Speaker 1: So the set program is probably less than a year,

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Speaker 1: Well what if they don't say they okay, they get

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Speaker 3: So I think perception of what is top is really important.

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Speaker 3: And again that's part of what I'm trying to help

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Speaker 4: Think is top, or you could.

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Speaker 3: I mean it just the hints, but you really have

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Speaker 3: I think most of my clients, you know, six months

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Speaker 1: No for sure. And I think what I meant by

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Speaker 1: this the kind of avenue that you take in that

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00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:57,199
Speaker 1: mental health like part of your course by you know,

441
00:22:57,280 --> 00:23:02,359
Speaker 1: really educating these women that it's okay to obviously like

442
00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:05,760
Speaker 1: a sorority that is not in the stereotypical top three,

443
00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:07,959
Speaker 1: And is this something that you really educate them on

444
00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:10,320
Speaker 1: because I could like feel, I could you know, I

445
00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:13,000
Speaker 1: feel what you're saying. How you know they're all going

446
00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:14,680
Speaker 1: to find their way and they're all going to find

447
00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:17,680
Speaker 1: their avenue and what sorority speaks to them, which is

448
00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:22,480
Speaker 1: one hundred percent true, but also dealing with the stereotypes

449
00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:26,720
Speaker 1: of going through the rushing process. You do know what

450
00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:30,200
Speaker 1: the top are, what the you know, low ring sororities are,

451
00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:31,280
Speaker 1: you do Yeah, I.

452
00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:34,359
Speaker 3: Give a lot of advice on like where to really

453
00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:36,800
Speaker 3: push out the noise, because I do think there are

454
00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:41,440
Speaker 3: a lot of external places where these women start to feel.

455
00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:46,520
Speaker 3: Their confidence really starts to dwindle when they have a

456
00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:49,639
Speaker 3: roommate who makes us a comment about maybe a chapter

457
00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:51,760
Speaker 3: that they still are interested in, or they have on

458
00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:54,960
Speaker 3: their schedule, or they're walking to their next party and

459
00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:57,399
Speaker 3: they hear two girls in front of them talking about,

460
00:23:57,440 --> 00:23:59,600
Speaker 3: you know, a house that they just came from, or

461
00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:03,119
Speaker 3: even I have like clients whose moms or aunts or

462
00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:05,639
Speaker 3: cousins or anyone in their family who maybe reach us

463
00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:07,240
Speaker 3: out to them and says, oh my gosh, I can't

464
00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:10,440
Speaker 3: believe you're still interested in XYZ. So I do really

465
00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:14,080
Speaker 3: try to help them understand that there isn't there's not

466
00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:17,320
Speaker 3: like this one set thing like it's okay to find

467
00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:20,880
Speaker 3: your place and where you feel like you belong because

468
00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:23,760
Speaker 3: this is your experience. This isn't your mom's experience, this

469
00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:27,080
Speaker 3: isn't your roommate's experience. And I really do coach clients

470
00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:31,000
Speaker 3: as a roommate. You probably shouldn't be discussing the you know,

471
00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:33,680
Speaker 3: the rounds and what houses you like, because you're each

472
00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:37,200
Speaker 3: individual's and you're gonna find that you probably are gonna

473
00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:40,320
Speaker 3: join different storties and still, you know, be great roommates

474
00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:43,160
Speaker 3: and have a great friendship, but you don't necessarily have

475
00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:45,560
Speaker 3: to do the exact same thing that someone else is doing.

476
00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:48,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, we've had another We had another coach on and

477
00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:53,080
Speaker 2: I asked her this same question. I wonder if you

478
00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:56,840
Speaker 2: face a lot of judgment about what you're doing. And

479
00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:00,480
Speaker 2: I know for me and I said this to our

480
00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:04,040
Speaker 2: last coach, so just fair. But I don't know that

481
00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:07,720
Speaker 2: I would ever hire someone My daughter went through rush

482
00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:10,200
Speaker 2: and I you know, I went through one hundred years

483
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:12,320
Speaker 2: ago and my mother didn't even know what a soorty was.

484
00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:14,760
Speaker 2: But I don't think that I would hire a coach.

485
00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:18,800
Speaker 2: And I wonder if you and that's please don't misunderstand me. No,

486
00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:21,320
Speaker 2: I'm sure that you know you've helped a lot of women,

487
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:23,719
Speaker 2: especially I love the mental health part. But do you

488
00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:26,359
Speaker 2: get a lot of flacks or blowback in terms of

489
00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:29,400
Speaker 2: what you do. Do you experience that I do?

490
00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:34,000
Speaker 3: And I think it's just misconception of what my role is.

491
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:36,320
Speaker 3: And so what I really help try to help people

492
00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:39,439
Speaker 3: understand is I'm not here to get someone into a

493
00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:42,920
Speaker 3: particular sorority. I would love for women to go through

494
00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:48,000
Speaker 3: the experience of recruitment and find this unique thing that

495
00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:51,120
Speaker 3: is on a college campus where you can really explore

496
00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:54,080
Speaker 3: who you are, you can be challenged, you can be

497
00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:57,080
Speaker 3: a part of something where you're giving back in philanthropy

498
00:25:57,359 --> 00:26:00,159
Speaker 3: and learning skill sets that you're going to use for

499
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:03,199
Speaker 3: the rest of your life. And so I really want

500
00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:06,840
Speaker 3: people to understand that my job is just to get

501
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:09,840
Speaker 3: more people who want to join this process and be

502
00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:13,160
Speaker 3: a part of it. And you know, I always tell

503
00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:16,120
Speaker 3: clients you.

504
00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:16,040
Speaker 1: You are special.

505
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:18,080
Speaker 3: You're going to find your place, whether that's in a

506
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:20,879
Speaker 3: sorority or somewhere on your campus, but you have something

507
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:24,560
Speaker 3: to offer, and these sorority women are going to see

508
00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:27,120
Speaker 3: that if you're true to yourself and you really do,

509
00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:30,879
Speaker 3: you know, kind of dig down deep and really showcase

510
00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:31,480
Speaker 3: who you are.

511
00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:33,200
Speaker 4: But I do think there.

512
00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:37,400
Speaker 3: Is a lot of pushback against Yeah, like I said,

513
00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:39,119
Speaker 3: I've been doing this ten years and so I have

514
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:42,240
Speaker 3: seen the ebb and flow of being just one of

515
00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:44,920
Speaker 3: a few doing this to now you know, hundreds, if

516
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:48,080
Speaker 3: not thousands, and I think they all have different approaches.

517
00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:49,640
Speaker 4: But I know in my heart.

518
00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:51,800
Speaker 3: What I'm doing is really to build these women up

519
00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:54,439
Speaker 3: in their confidence, help moms know how to support their

520
00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:57,600
Speaker 3: daughters at in this transition. And I just want them

521
00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:00,280
Speaker 3: to get the skills and life lessons that can help

522
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:03,639
Speaker 3: them carry on, you know, from college and beyond. I

523
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:07,840
Speaker 3: think as a woman in a sorority, you can just

524
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:09,160
Speaker 3: gain so much from it.

525
00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:11,720
Speaker 4: And I just yeah, like I said, I just want.

526
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:13,240
Speaker 3: More people to be a part of it and see

527
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:16,080
Speaker 3: it in It's true, like it's unfortunate that there are

528
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:20,560
Speaker 3: so many things that kind of downplay the sorority experience.

529
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:22,639
Speaker 4: You know, they focus on some of the things that

530
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:23,240
Speaker 4: I think.

531
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:25,960
Speaker 3: Take away from really what sororities are doing on campuses.

532
00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:28,840
Speaker 2: You know, I think that's definitely admirable, but we've also

533
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:33,840
Speaker 2: heard some horror stories about and about the girls that

534
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:36,919
Speaker 2: have been rejected and what happens and what that looks like.

535
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:41,200
Speaker 2: And it's I think that it is what you're describing

536
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:44,800
Speaker 2: is very admirable to sort of help women express their

537
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:49,120
Speaker 2: true self and to not just look for status when

538
00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:52,600
Speaker 2: they're you know, rushing. But I don't know, it feels

539
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:57,040
Speaker 2: like when I hear sorority coach, I hear someone who

540
00:27:57,160 --> 00:28:02,560
Speaker 2: is coming in to help my get into the sorority

541
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:05,960
Speaker 2: that she wants by please forgive me. And I'm not

542
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 2: saying that this is what you do it's just as

543
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:09,359
Speaker 2: a mother, this is what I would what occurs to

544
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:16,600
Speaker 2: me by transforming herself into what other young girls want.

545
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:21,480
Speaker 2: And I think that's why I the image of this, yeah,

546
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:24,880
Speaker 2: and and or the image of the sorority. And I'm

547
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:27,000
Speaker 2: very open to being wrong about that. And you seem

548
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:29,920
Speaker 2: also like a lovely woman who really cares about the

549
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:33,439
Speaker 2: girls that you work with. But it all seems like

550
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:36,399
Speaker 2: a little crazy to me. I have to be honest

551
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:36,840
Speaker 2: with you.

552
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:39,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, sure, I think there are a lot of

553
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:43,120
Speaker 3: things that girls do to prepare for sorority recruitment that

554
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:48,120
Speaker 3: does seem very crazy. You wouldn't do that, you know,

555
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:52,560
Speaker 3: in other circumstances. But I also think that you know

556
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:56,640
Speaker 3: this process and the way I mean, unfortunately, this is

557
00:28:56,680 --> 00:29:00,200
Speaker 3: the way that sororities recruit new members, and so I

558
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:03,600
Speaker 3: think if there was a different process created that they

559
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:06,080
Speaker 3: could join in a different format, then that may be

560
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 3: where we see.

561
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 4: Some of this change.

562
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:12,880
Speaker 3: But in the end, I think some girls do go

563
00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:15,120
Speaker 3: through and it is unfortunate because I see it too.

564
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:17,000
Speaker 3: I see it on social media, and I see it

565
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:19,280
Speaker 3: in other places. I have moms call me who tell

566
00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:22,040
Speaker 3: me about, you know, people they know who are experiencing

567
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:24,800
Speaker 3: certain things, and it is. But I think if you

568
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 3: can really step into understanding that you know, rejection is

569
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:34,320
Speaker 3: part of life. I think sometimes that's also the lesson

570
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:37,360
Speaker 3: here too, is that you know how you come back

571
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:40,840
Speaker 3: from some of that is important. And if, like I said,

572
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:43,240
Speaker 3: you can come into it with the right attitude and

573
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:46,440
Speaker 3: the right understanding and the right expectations, you know, this

574
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:50,720
Speaker 3: can be a really fun and successful process. But if

575
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:53,680
Speaker 3: you come in very narrow minded and this is all

576
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:55,920
Speaker 3: I want and this is what they expect from me,

577
00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:58,640
Speaker 3: and this is how I need to look, then yeah,

578
00:29:58,680 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 3: it's going.

579
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:01,080
Speaker 4: To be a lot of work. You're going to be disappointed.

580
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:18,120
Speaker 1: So what would you say that the biggest myth is

581
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 1: to sorority rush.

582
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:25,120
Speaker 3: I think the biggest myth is that you have to,

583
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:29,240
Speaker 3: like you said at the beginning, transform yourself into something

584
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:31,920
Speaker 3: different than who you truly are. I think if you

585
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:35,560
Speaker 3: are a natural beauty and you are confident in who

586
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:38,160
Speaker 3: you are and you know what you're looking for in

587
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:42,480
Speaker 3: terms of joining something like this, then you are going

588
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:44,560
Speaker 3: to find you know, you're going to find your people,

589
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:46,240
Speaker 3: and you're gonna find your place, and it's going to

590
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:47,840
Speaker 3: be a really fun experience.

591
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:49,640
Speaker 4: I think when you come in and you're.

592
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:55,040
Speaker 3: Really second guessing yourself and you're really doubting yourself, I

593
00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:58,480
Speaker 3: think that's where I see a lot of these girls

594
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:02,440
Speaker 3: start to put their worth and who they want to

595
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 3: be so much in this these letters, as opposed to

596
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:10,560
Speaker 3: you know, really trusting themselves and stepping out and trying

597
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 3: to just make a friend, because that's really what you know,

598
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:15,520
Speaker 3: at the end of the day, that's what they're that's

599
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:17,960
Speaker 3: what they're trying to do, is find their friends before

600
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:18,760
Speaker 3: school starts.

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00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, one hundred percent. What would you say the biggest

602
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:23,120
Speaker 1: mistake that P and MS make.

603
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:28,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the biggest mistake is probably focusing too

604
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:31,120
Speaker 3: much on and I know we talked a little bit

605
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:34,479
Speaker 3: about this, but focusing too much on the things that

606
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:37,640
Speaker 3: aren't going to really make a huge impact for them.

607
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 4: So things like I think attire and outfits are.

608
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 3: Important, but if you are, you know, just focused on

609
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 3: that and really worried about that, and you're not practicing

610
00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:52,600
Speaker 3: the social skills of how to have a good conversation

611
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:55,920
Speaker 3: and how to connect with someone and how to make

612
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:58,360
Speaker 3: someone feel like they really have gotten to know you.

613
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 3: In you know, a five ten fig two minute conversation,

614
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 3: you're going to miss out on being able to really

615
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:08,280
Speaker 3: put yourself out there and find your place. I think

616
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:10,440
Speaker 3: the other thing that girls spend a lot of time

617
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:14,960
Speaker 3: on and effort is the recommendation process. So that has

618
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:17,400
Speaker 3: changed over the years, and I think it's a great

619
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:19,280
Speaker 3: way to make an introduction.

620
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:20,960
Speaker 4: To a sorority about yourself.

621
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:23,240
Speaker 3: And to having a lum introduce you to that organization.

622
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 3: But it is not the end all be all, and

623
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 3: I find a lot of clients stress and have a

624
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:32,120
Speaker 3: lot of effort that they put towards it, and so

625
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 3: just helping them to understand that there are a lot

626
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:38,280
Speaker 3: of other things. If you can connect with girls before recruitment,

627
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:40,640
Speaker 3: if you can have a great conversation and you can

628
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 3: really be yourself, then you know you'll be fine.

629
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 2: I've definitely heard that that that letter of recommendation is

630
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:52,400
Speaker 2: outdated a bit. Yeah, yeah, listen, Leslie, what a pleasure.

631
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:54,880
Speaker 2: Thank you for coming on. Thank you so much, Thank

632
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 2: you for talking us through this. We wish you continued success. Again.

633
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:01,960
Speaker 2: I have lots of ideas about this, as I'm sure

634
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:05,479
Speaker 2: Gia does, and it's new to me and so not

635
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:08,720
Speaker 2: meaning to be pessimistic, but we're trying to ask you

636
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 2: the hard questions and to really understand what this is

637
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:15,400
Speaker 2: about and to be you know, honest with you and

638
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 2: have an open dialogue. And thank you so much for

639
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:18,880
Speaker 2: talking to us.

640
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:22,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, you really do sound like you care about you know,

641
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:26,720
Speaker 1: the recruits genuine feelings and personality and what they want.

642
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:29,160
Speaker 1: And I feel like that's something that you know. Obviously

643
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:32,719
Speaker 1: you have stuck with it for three years, ten years,

644
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:36,840
Speaker 1: and you pretty much feel like you have. It's in

645
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:39,520
Speaker 1: our little cards here where you have one hundred percent

646
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:43,680
Speaker 1: success rate. So good for you, thank you.

647
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:46,680
Speaker 3: I know it's it is. It's a wonderful experience. Like

648
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:50,239
Speaker 3: I said, if you can find you know, that that

649
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 3: place where girls can feel like they belong and they

650
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 3: find their home.

651
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:54,479
Speaker 4: But I know it is.

652
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 1: It's a lot.

653
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:57,560
Speaker 4: So I appreciate the time and the question.

654
00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:00,560
Speaker 2: Where can our listeners find you? By the way, Oh

655
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:01,360
Speaker 2: yeah absolutely.

656
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 3: I'm on social media so Instagram, sorority prep, one on one,

657
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:08,720
Speaker 3: I'm on TikTok sorority prep, and i have a website

658
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:09,920
Speaker 3: sororityprep dot com.

659
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:10,880
Speaker 2: Perfect amazing.

660
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Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Thank you, Leslie.

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Speaker 2: I have a great dead love to all your girls.

662
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:18,319
Speaker 2: Bye bye, I don't know. I don't know either.

663
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:21,480
Speaker 1: I mean, I now, I don't want to say like

664
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:23,719
Speaker 1: I felt like she was a little full of it,

665
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:27,880
Speaker 1: but I just one hundred one hundred percent successory.

666
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 2: I mean what does that mean? Does that mean that

667
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:33,560
Speaker 2: you say to your clients you're definitely going to get

668
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 2: into a sorority and then that's success because they got

669
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 2: into one, maybe that they didn't necessarily plan on getting

670
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:45,319
Speaker 2: it into or how do you measure success? I don't know,

671
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 2: it's it does seem like a lot, right, I know.

672
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:51,800
Speaker 1: I just didn't feel like it was very just sugarcoating.

673
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:54,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, like I want to know, like like she wasn't

674
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:56,759
Speaker 2: deep yeah, like like stop the bs, Like do you

675
00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:57,759
Speaker 2: tell them what to wear?

676
00:34:57,920 --> 00:34:58,160
Speaker 1: Yes?

677
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:00,400
Speaker 2: Like I tell them how much to make up to where?

678
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:04,040
Speaker 1: Like is it is it you really picture and tierras?

679
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:05,840
Speaker 2: Right? Yeah, yeah I do to.

680
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:07,600
Speaker 1: I just I don't get it.

681
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:11,359
Speaker 2: But listen, here's the truth, Like we're not we haven't

682
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:14,799
Speaker 2: gone through the process, and we're going to try not

683
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:17,560
Speaker 2: to judge even though we're judging. We're judging, yes, but

684
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:20,239
Speaker 2: we'll say that we're trying not to. I know, I mean, yeah,

685
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 2: she's making a good loving Yeah, I mean, listen, I

686
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 2: don't prefer that three thousand dollars, and she says, she gets,

687
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 2: I mean maybe more. I thought we read it could

688
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 2: be even more.

689
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:34,920
Speaker 1: Well, she said three thousand. If she does, if they

690
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:37,880
Speaker 1: do the whole package, okay, then it's two fifty to

691
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 1: three hundred dollars.

692
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:39,840
Speaker 2: An hour hour.

693
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:43,960
Speaker 1: So if you're doing that, you're paying over three grand.

694
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 2: So let's think about that. What is two fifty to

695
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:51,800
Speaker 2: three hundred dollars an hour? Ten grand? Ten grand?

696
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:52,799
Speaker 1: And what did you pay for.

697
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 2: Your college tutor?

698
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:54,680
Speaker 1: Five thousand?

699
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:57,720
Speaker 2: That's what we paid for, right, So now you're paying.

700
00:35:58,239 --> 00:35:59,760
Speaker 1: But she helped me with everything.

701
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:02,759
Speaker 2: I know. I admired one, believe me.

702
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:05,280
Speaker 1: And they were very very helpful. Right, But that's also

703
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:09,840
Speaker 1: like us going into college, into college, that's our career.

704
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:12,719
Speaker 1: I don't know this sorority life is not like that

705
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:13,480
Speaker 1: and all be all.

706
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:15,399
Speaker 2: And we're here to talk about like the good too

707
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:18,120
Speaker 2: of story life and how much fun it was and

708
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:21,319
Speaker 2: ours much you know, what it created in terms of

709
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 2: life lessons and all of that.

710
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:25,440
Speaker 1: But and I love all of that, but you experienced

711
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 1: that once you're in it.

712
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:27,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, nobody told me.

713
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:29,440
Speaker 1: What to a dress or how to look like just

714
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:30,359
Speaker 1: the stakes.

715
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:31,800
Speaker 2: Are so high. If you're spending that kind of money

716
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:35,399
Speaker 2: as a kid, I would think you would feel pressure. Yes,

717
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:39,600
Speaker 2: like all of this money and it's so important that

718
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:43,040
Speaker 2: I would spend thousands of dollars on it. I'm not

719
00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:46,520
Speaker 2: saying it's not important to young women, but I don't know.

720
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 1: I just feel going into it with and Yes, she

721
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 1: was saying rejections are part of life, yes one. And

722
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:57,160
Speaker 1: I think that is a big lesson to learn throughout

723
00:36:57,239 --> 00:37:00,399
Speaker 1: life that you are going to get rejected. Sometimes that's

724
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:02,239
Speaker 1: not only going to be from a sorority. It could

725
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:02,799
Speaker 1: be from a guy.

726
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:05,840
Speaker 2: A woman is teaching how not to get rejected, right,

727
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:08,400
Speaker 2: And I mean, I know they do that, their college

728
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 2: counselors to do that. It feels different to me. It

729
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:14,239
Speaker 2: feels like, here's how you make people like you or

730
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 2: this sorority. I don't know, I don't know. We could be.

731
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:19,360
Speaker 2: I feel badly saying it because she was a lovely woman.

732
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:23,920
Speaker 1: She was she was. I just I think that there's

733
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:29,759
Speaker 1: a way you experience the good once you're in the sorority. Yeah,

734
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 1: And I feel like getting into the sorority being your

735
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:38,959
Speaker 1: authentic self and not really changing much about you. Sure, yes,

736
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:40,400
Speaker 1: wash your hair that day.

737
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:43,040
Speaker 2: Blow it out, wash your hair most yah.

738
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:45,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yes.

739
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:47,000
Speaker 2: Well fair about every three but whatever.

740
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:50,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, but like wash your hair, ye, put yourself together

741
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:52,200
Speaker 1: a little bit. Sure. Are you going to maybe go

742
00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 1: to the mall and buy an outfit that you probably

743
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:56,960
Speaker 1: wouldn't wear in a royal day? Yes, because you're excited

744
00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:00,319
Speaker 1: put on a cute dress. Wear's something that you feel

745
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:03,319
Speaker 1: good in. You know, maybe put on some heels, but

746
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:06,959
Speaker 1: you don't need to spend.

747
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 2: Three thousands of dollars. And also, I wonder, like learning

748
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:12,239
Speaker 2: how to talk to people is not an interview, right,

749
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:14,879
Speaker 2: You're not trying to get a job, So I don't

750
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:17,879
Speaker 2: know how do you teach that? I guess. I guess

751
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:19,680
Speaker 2: there's social skills or a lot of people.

752
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 1: I mean, yes, A big part of the recruitment process

753
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 1: is talking to girls and really having that speed dating

754
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:29,319
Speaker 1: mentality and having them get to know you in that

755
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:34,920
Speaker 1: ten to fifteen minute period. But okay, you'll if you

756
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 1: find that connection, you'll connect with the girl in two minutes.

757
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:38,799
Speaker 1: If you don't find the.

758
00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:39,719
Speaker 2: Connection, you move on.

759
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:41,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, there were girls that when I was going through

760
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:44,359
Speaker 1: that recruitment process that I was like, okay, yeah, I'm

761
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:44,680
Speaker 1: over this.

762
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't want it to be to keep having

763
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:47,360
Speaker 2: this conversation.

764
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:50,719
Speaker 1: It's getting boring and it does get repetitive because you're

765
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:54,000
Speaker 1: having the same conversation with a million different sorority houses.

766
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:57,120
Speaker 1: But when you feel that connection, those people that you

767
00:38:57,200 --> 00:38:59,360
Speaker 1: vibe with, those are the people and that and the

768
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:01,839
Speaker 1: sororities that you want to move forward.

769
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:03,360
Speaker 2: And I'm sure she does coach that. I'm sure that

770
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:06,160
Speaker 2: she also says, you know, I would say, if I'm

771
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:09,880
Speaker 2: you know, trying to help my daughter to be more

772
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:13,360
Speaker 2: of a conversationalist, I don't like I would definitely say,

773
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 2: you know, ask questions or I don't know, positives are

774
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:21,480
Speaker 2: better than negatives. I don't know, but this seems excessive

775
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 2: to me, right, yeah, a little bit. I'm sorry, Leslie. Again,

776
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:30,200
Speaker 2: we could be wrong, Yeah, we could, right, I just

777
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:31,600
Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't know.

778
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:35,520
Speaker 1: I feel like, you can you girls can authentically do

779
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:38,880
Speaker 1: this on your own. Yeah, it doesn't need to be

780
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:41,799
Speaker 1: like all this superficial stuff. I think.

781
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:44,480
Speaker 2: And by the way, it's okay if you don't get

782
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:45,800
Speaker 2: into a sorority.

783
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:46,839
Speaker 1: It's really okay. You'll be fine.

784
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:49,080
Speaker 2: It's gonna be. Okay, Yeah, it's gonna be. I can

785
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:52,839
Speaker 2: promise you life will throw you a lot of curveballs.

786
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:55,719
Speaker 2: This one may feel in the moment like it's a

787
00:39:55,800 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 2: huge one. I could almost guarantee you're gonna graduate college

788
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:04,839
Speaker 2: and you're going to look back at it and you're

789
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 2: going to maybe even laugh a little about it. But

790
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:11,040
Speaker 2: good luck, I mean good luck all of our listeners.

791
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:15,319
Speaker 1: Seriously, but really, and this is also an expense that

792
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:18,640
Speaker 1: most people are not going to.

793
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:23,200
Speaker 2: Just spend on the jail. So there's expense the sorority itself,

794
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:27,840
Speaker 2: paying the sorority dues. And now you're paying.

795
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:31,600
Speaker 1: Your college tuition, then your books, you know, everything needed.

796
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:33,520
Speaker 1: You're going to spend at least five hundred dollars on

797
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:37,439
Speaker 1: textbooks during your first semester going into college. So it's

798
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:41,799
Speaker 1: your tuition, your textbooks, your sorority fee is and then

799
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:42,400
Speaker 1: this on top of.

800
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Speaker 2: Stepend it feels like it's unlesssary, like something I feel

801
00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:50,680
Speaker 2: wealthy families do. I wouldn't think that. Yeah, I don't know,

802
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:54,959
Speaker 2: but all right, so my friend, yes, so my sorority sister,

803
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 2: I guess my sister is a five? And what was

804
00:40:57,000 --> 00:41:03,240
Speaker 2: your whatever? But great, interview. Yes, right, and really interesting.

805
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:05,759
Speaker 1: Really interesting. I mean listen, if it is something that

806
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 1: you have access to and it's something that you want

807
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:12,880
Speaker 1: to do, by all means, go for it. But I

808
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:16,680
Speaker 1: also feel like you guys can really achieve.

809
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:17,759
Speaker 2: Maybe figure it out on your own.

810
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:22,360
Speaker 1: So this is dirty rush and that is it for today.

811
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Speaker 2: I am Jen and I'm Gia. See you next time. Right, guys,

812
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:28,480
Speaker 2: listen to us. Next time listen see whatever it is.

813
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Speaker 1: Bye you next time. Bye,