Speaker 1: Warning, Today's episode contains spoilers for and Or season two
Speaker 1: episodes one, two, and three. Will be talking about them
Speaker 1: at length. Hello, my name is Jason Concepcion, been on
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Speaker 2: In today's episode, we are convening the Jedi Council to
Speaker 2: break down the excellent first three episodes of and Or
Speaker 2: season two. If you haven't listened to our recap, go
Speaker 2: back and get recast in to it, and then jump
Speaker 2: in and listen to us with our super producers Joel Naboo,
Speaker 2: who we are welcoming right now.
Speaker 3: Hello, Hello, Hey, Hey, how's it going.
Speaker 4: How you're feeling emotional?
Speaker 1: Yes, it is emotional. It's emotional.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 1: Rosie and I have have opined at length your thoughts
Speaker 1: on the first three episodes of van Or. Joel, let's
Speaker 1: start with you.
Speaker 5: There's so much to say in these first three episodes
Speaker 5: for not a lot of events happening, I feel like
Speaker 5: a lot of information is gained, which is kind of
Speaker 5: what you want out of a pilot, And I think
Speaker 5: you can look at these first three episodes as a
Speaker 5: single pilot for this season. I know it's not launching
Speaker 5: the show, but it is setting us up for like
Speaker 5: a super specific time. Androy is such a weird experience
Speaker 5: because we know where it ends and we're getting a
Speaker 5: very clean lead up into this moment.
Speaker 4: And I was like between the.
Speaker 5: Wedding, like bigs if we're gonna have to talk about
Speaker 5: bixs because I'm concerned that she's just gonna be a
Speaker 5: punching bag for the season. And it makes me nervous
Speaker 5: the love we get between Ceial and Deda. You know,
Speaker 5: I think what really moves me is like it's Star
Speaker 5: Wars guys, like in a way that I'd not quite
Speaker 5: hear the first season.
Speaker 6: One carry Star Wars.
Speaker 5: We get like a comical moment with a pilot entering
Speaker 5: the scene, which is crazy.
Speaker 4: We're getting like.
Speaker 5: Stunts and spycrafts and Padme levels of costuming.
Speaker 2: The wedding dress, the Padme web inspired wedding dress stunning.
Speaker 5: And I just feel like Star Wars has grown up
Speaker 5: and I'm not sure if it's like I've grown up
Speaker 5: into original ideas of Star Wars. I didn't care about
Speaker 5: trade roots and shit when I was a kid, all
Speaker 5: that stuff, and wait, I said, bring out the lightsabers.
Speaker 4: Now I'm facing real life threats and I'm like, oh.
Speaker 5: It's a study book. It's a guy like, let me
Speaker 5: take notes. And I feel like we've stepped into a
Speaker 5: completely new era of Star Wars. And for you know,
Speaker 5: the team to have built both a BBC style great
Speaker 5: epic of season one and now'll match it with the
Speaker 5: epicness of Star Wars.
Speaker 4: The heart of Star Wars that.
Speaker 5: Like Kernel of Hope, which is what I really think
Speaker 5: resonates in Rogue one to combine it all here. I mean,
Speaker 5: I am blown away by these first three episodes.
Speaker 6: How about you a boom?
Speaker 7: I feel like Joelle covered it. I am having such
Speaker 7: a great time. Honestly, I haven't had this much fun
Speaker 7: since Anakin Skywalker said this is where the fun begins
Speaker 7: and a revenge of the sip.
Speaker 1: Like it is too early.
Speaker 7: They were only three episodes in, so it's like too
Speaker 7: early for me to make any bold claims like and
Speaker 7: Or is the best thing to ever come out of
Speaker 7: Star Wars. But I am already very tempted to say
Speaker 7: things like that I loved this.
Speaker 6: You wouldn't be the only person if we look at
Speaker 6: those come out. That's a very big.
Speaker 7: The reviews are glowing from folks who have seen the
Speaker 7: whole season. I loved these first three episodes. Everything was
Speaker 7: top notch writing, acting, cinematography, costume, set design, just like
Speaker 7: twelve out of ten across the board. Rosie, I believe
Speaker 7: you said in the recap that the money is on
Speaker 7: the screen.
Speaker 8: And boy, isn't you know?
Speaker 7: Like, yeah, it is an absolutely gorgeous show top to bottom.
Speaker 7: And I think, to Joel's point, like I'm in a
Speaker 7: different place in life. I too, only cared about the
Speaker 7: lightsabers when I was just rewatching the original films as
Speaker 7: a kid. But now that I'm more grown up, I
Speaker 7: want my Star Wars to be more grown up too,
Speaker 7: And this show offers me like a level of gravitas
Speaker 7: that I do nowadays find myself craving from other Star
Speaker 7: Wars stories, and those Star Wars stories often fall short
Speaker 7: for me, and that regard.
Speaker 8: This one is amazing. Just like a quick thing.
Speaker 7: I want to call out the very opening scene of
Speaker 7: episode one where Cassine and that young real worker. We're
Speaker 7: talking just some beautiful writing and dialogue. There some beautiful
Speaker 7: themes around and relevant themes as I'm sure we will
Speaker 7: get into today about oppression and rebellion.
Speaker 5: Are immigrant workers fighting?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 7: Like it's prescient in that way when you consider this
Speaker 7: show has been in production for many, many years.
Speaker 8: So I'm loving it.
Speaker 7: I'm having an absolute last I can't wait to get
Speaker 7: into the rest of the season, and I'm sure I
Speaker 7: too will be calling this the best thing to come
Speaker 7: out of Star Wars once we're done.
Speaker 2: Okay, so before we get into the nitegrity of the episode,
Speaker 2: let's talk about what the reception is gonna be.
Speaker 6: Jason, do you think season two is gonna pull in
Speaker 6: me more viewers?
Speaker 2: Do you think it's gonna be that big kind of
Speaker 2: impact show that Disney has been spending the money on
Speaker 2: and been marketing it on, and has clearly wants it
Speaker 2: to be.
Speaker 1: I think that. No, I don't think so. I think
Speaker 1: that there will there might be a statistically unimportant rise
Speaker 1: in viewership. I think that could happen because of the
Speaker 1: at least sitting here Wednesday morning, the almost overwhelming critical
Speaker 1: claim that is like very loud and very strong from
Speaker 1: everybody who's seen it as saying, this is great, this
Speaker 1: is great, this is great, this is trenchant, this is
Speaker 1: the Star Wars for our time. I was blown away,
Speaker 1: et cetera, et cetera. I think you see a bump.
Speaker 1: Do I think it's a hit? Sadly I suspect not,
Speaker 1: because you know, I think they're structural problems. And then
Speaker 1: you know, three episodes a lot to get people to
Speaker 1: watch in a week, you know, of one show. I
Speaker 1: think that's a that's a big ask. And listen, we're
Speaker 1: all freaks.
Speaker 6: Stars, right, I can't deny it.
Speaker 1: So if you're a Star Wars freak, the hook here
Speaker 1: is it's Star Wars, and the people who have seen
Speaker 1: it are telling you it's potentially the best Star Wars
Speaker 1: that they've ever seen, most adult, etcetera.
Speaker 4: I mean, it's now the highest rated Star Wars project
Speaker 4: all time.
Speaker 1: I think if you are a more general fan of
Speaker 1: Star Wars, or the kind of fan maybe that we
Speaker 1: were when we were younger, I think you're thinking, where's
Speaker 1: the hook, where's the lightsabers? You know, it's the same thing,
Speaker 1: kind of is the Jedi, the same thing that kind
Speaker 1: of kept people from engaging with and or or season one.
Speaker 1: I think those problems are still I hesitate to call
Speaker 1: them problems. I think they're still there. I think those
Speaker 1: obstacles are still there.
Speaker 5: Yeah, obstacles for the IP to overcome are rather large,
Speaker 5: just because of what's been built in before. I do
Speaker 5: think that the three, if you haven't watched yet, what
Speaker 5: are you doing here? But if you are and you
Speaker 5: haven't seen it yet, I would encourage you to find
Speaker 5: a time when you can watch all three time together.
Speaker 5: I think yeah, I think they hit more. At least
Speaker 5: this first batch certainly did. As like a movie like
Speaker 5: it feels like you get the whole arc. You can
Speaker 5: stop and pause and watch them as individual episodes. It
Speaker 5: still feels structured like television and that you have a
Speaker 5: single theme uniting each episode or whatever. But when you
Speaker 5: watch them at a movie and you get the time
Speaker 5: and pacing of these three days and the importance and
Speaker 5: the impact, I think that's when you get the full experience.
Speaker 5: Make it a Friday night thing. I think what we'll
Speaker 5: see is you don't have to be caught. This won't
Speaker 5: be appointment television.
Speaker 4: And maybe that.
Speaker 5: Will because that's how we agrees it is how many
Speaker 5: did you get in one night?
Speaker 4: That'll be a little bit different.
Speaker 5: But if you can watch by Friday, you can go
Speaker 5: back and listen to all the conversations you're interested in.
Speaker 5: I think that works perfectly well, and I do hope
Speaker 5: we see a huge spike in viewership because gosh, I mean.
Speaker 1: It's so good that people see at the.
Speaker 4: Top of excellent television we're getting right now.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I also think folks like you can also speed run
Speaker 1: it like it's really like it's an hour show, but
Speaker 1: there's really only forty ish minutes of actual show, its recaps,
Speaker 1: and skip the recap, skip the title, skip the there's
Speaker 1: never a stinger. As soon as you see the credits,
Speaker 1: move on, and you can cut your viewing. You can
Speaker 1: cut your viewing time down by a lot.
Speaker 7: Yeah, watch it at one point five speed, honestly, I mean.
Speaker 2: Honestly, Look, the truth is, oh my god, I'm actually
Speaker 2: not I'm not someone who's ever done that. I don't
Speaker 2: listen to stuff at that speed. It doesn't work for me.
Speaker 2: I don't watch stuff at that speed. But you know what,
Speaker 2: if that is how people want to choose to interact
Speaker 2: with art, then who am I to say no? Like,
Speaker 2: if that, if it works for you better that way,
Speaker 2: go for it, and then maybe you'll want to check
Speaker 2: it out at the normal speed that it was made
Speaker 2: to be watched that afterwards, you know.
Speaker 6: But I would also.
Speaker 2: Say I when I went to the premiere van Or,
Speaker 2: which was more of like a teaser of the show,
Speaker 2: Tony Gilroy did basically say they feel like they made
Speaker 2: over this season of two, you know, two seasons of TV.
Speaker 2: They basically felt like they made eight movies. And they
Speaker 2: do feel like it's that way. It's in these arcs,
Speaker 2: and I think if you can, you know, on a
Speaker 2: Saturday afternoon, just put it on and give it a try.
Speaker 2: And I think people who weren't necessarily huge fans of
Speaker 2: the first season or dropped off after the first three episodes,
Speaker 2: which were very slow burn, I think this opens in
Speaker 2: a way that is made to hook any kind of
Speaker 2: Star Wars viewer, just the first open it.
Speaker 6: I don't mean the whole preseason three episodes, but I the.
Speaker 2: Opening sequence, which we'll talk about more in a little bit.
Speaker 2: I think that was designed to hook anyone who likes
Speaker 2: Star Wars. Now, whether you'll commit after that when it
Speaker 2: gets a little bit more andorish and becomes a bit
Speaker 2: more about interpersonal conflict and all the stuff we touched
Speaker 2: on in the in the recaps. Who knows, but I
Speaker 2: do think that most people, if you put on that
Speaker 2: first episode and you have that like ten to fifteen
Speaker 2: minute cold open, I think that will hook people who
Speaker 2: aren't necessarily into the more kind of political trade war
Speaker 2: side of Star Wars that George Lucas.
Speaker 6: Did really introduce in the prequels.
Speaker 2: Aboo, how did you feel about the first three episodes
Speaker 2: and do you feel like it's gonna get that spike
Speaker 2: in viewers? Is it gonna make more people watch and Or.
Speaker 8: I don't think we're gonna see a huge spike.
Speaker 7: I probably fall somewhere between Jason and Joelle, like I.
Speaker 8: Think it remains to be seen.
Speaker 7: I think the show is getting a lot of word
Speaker 7: of mouth support that I they don't necessarily remember and
Speaker 7: Or season one getting in the same sense. And I
Speaker 7: do feel to your point, Rosie, that these first three
Speaker 7: episodes are a are a stronger hook for a wider
Speaker 7: swath of Star Wars.
Speaker 2: Fan I think the first three episodes of and Or
Speaker 2: season one, and me and Jason talked about this when
Speaker 2: we covered it on the pod.
Speaker 6: It was kind of boring, had a little it kind
Speaker 6: of had some.
Speaker 2: Flaws that hinted that maybe they didn't have the political
Speaker 2: juice to tell the stories they were telling. But by
Speaker 2: the time you get to that second arc, you suddenly realized,
Speaker 2: oh no, this is something.
Speaker 7: Yeah, the second arc is incredible, but you do have
Speaker 7: to get through an hour and a half of television
Speaker 7: to get there, and I'm sure a lot of folks
Speaker 7: dropped off at that point. I think this first hour
Speaker 7: and a half maybe has enough hooks to grab more people.
Speaker 7: And I think it's quite interesting that they're dropping the
Speaker 7: show three episodes at a time. And I wonder if
Speaker 7: this sort of Tony Gilroy saying we're making movies, releasing
Speaker 7: eight movies one chunk at a time is a strategy
Speaker 7: that other streamers might consider, because I think like a
Speaker 7: lot of streamers have been have felt like bound by
Speaker 7: old school TV rules like we either released once a week,
Speaker 7: or we're Netflix and we binge drop and we haven't
Speaker 7: seen experimental releases in this way, and and or might
Speaker 7: be it could scenario that opens the floodgates for that.
Speaker 5: It could they just have the unfortunate result of having
Speaker 5: to follow Tony Gilroy, who's created such a great struggle
Speaker 5: because hand Or has such like a unique position as
Speaker 5: like you know the end of the story like this
Speaker 5: works for a lot of really specific reasons that I
Speaker 5: don't know if other series or you have the jews
Speaker 5: to pull off.
Speaker 4: We saw a little bit of our cane. It kind
Speaker 4: of worked, though though it definitely could.
Speaker 6: I was gonna say it's more of an anime or
Speaker 6: animation thing.
Speaker 2: I will say specifically, what is interesting about this if
Speaker 2: you have yet to watch, or you watch the first
Speaker 2: three episodes and you didn't realize this is every three
Speaker 2: episode chunk is three days over a different year, and
Speaker 2: then you jump a year ahead to the next chunk
Speaker 2: of episodes, which I think is really unique and also
Speaker 2: is a nice framework that was actually made for the show.
Speaker 6: The story this show is telling.
Speaker 2: Was trying to work out how do we do this because,
Speaker 2: as Tony has spoken about, this was originally meant to
Speaker 2: be five seasons, and then after season one, they were like,
Speaker 2: wait a minute, like can we really do that? Or
Speaker 2: is there a way we can tell every season that
Speaker 2: we wanted to tell in these chunks that could be
Speaker 2: in one season and that's what season two is, just to.
Speaker 1: Lightly push back. I do think that though the difference
Speaker 1: between Arcane dropping three at a time and and or
Speaker 1: dropping three at a time is Arcane was dropping. Netflix
Speaker 1: was dropping Arcane three at a time to try and
Speaker 1: prolong the buzz, the massive buzz, and they were already
Speaker 1: so ideologically opposed to anything other than a binge drop
Speaker 1: that it's notable when they do things like this with
Speaker 1: Stranger Things Greatful, you know, love is blind, and with
Speaker 1: Arcane it's really an attempt to try and capture the
Speaker 1: news cycle for a longer period of time, whereas with
Speaker 1: and Or you get the sense that it's most that
Speaker 1: on the one hand, it's structural because the story is
Speaker 1: structured that way, but it's also like let's get in out,
Speaker 1: let's get in and out. Nobody's well yeah, And also that.
Speaker 6: Because I was you make it no, no, no. But
Speaker 6: I think Jason makes a good point because.
Speaker 2: It does sit in that interesting space between a weekly
Speaker 2: drop like Agatha all Along or the Acolyte, and then
Speaker 2: something where they'll drop it all at once, which is
Speaker 2: something they said they were never going to do, which
Speaker 2: they did with American born Chinese because they didn't.
Speaker 6: Know how to market it. They wasted the opportunity.
Speaker 2: And I think that this does sit in that interesting space,
Speaker 2: and we are probably repeating conversations that Execs has Because
Speaker 2: this also answers the Emmy contention, it can still be
Speaker 2: in Emy contention.
Speaker 6: So I think there's many.
Speaker 2: Different reasons, and I think for me, I do feel
Speaker 2: like this will have a significantly wider impact. I don't know,
Speaker 2: you know, we can't really trust if Disney says, hey,
Speaker 2: so many more people watch this, like those numbers are
Speaker 2: not necessarily true or like accurate to how much how
Speaker 2: many people watch more than two minutes, you know, same
Speaker 2: with any streamer, But I would be I wouldn't be
Speaker 2: surprised if by the finale, if the word of mouth continues,
Speaker 2: it's only three weeks away, that final chunk of episodes.
Speaker 6: I could see it showing up on Nielsen.
Speaker 2: If the conversation is hot, if people want to write
Speaker 2: cool articles about it, if people are doing podcasts about
Speaker 2: it like we are, I think the word of mouth
Speaker 2: could make it where by the final episode, we're seeing, Okay,
Speaker 2: this is the kind of show that people want to
Speaker 2: watch the into I think I'm crossing my fingers, but
Speaker 2: I will I will say obviously, as Jason pointed out,
Speaker 2: we're all freaks, little Star Wars freaky guys, just little
Speaker 2: dudes in a fucking canteena watching Star Wars, right.
Speaker 6: But in the discord, you know, our.
Speaker 2: Very thoughtful for one of our very thoughtful Discord leaders, Mara,
Speaker 2: who always runs our watch parties, she made sure to
Speaker 2: make a different Discord channel for every episode, and there
Speaker 2: was a lot of people in our discord, along with
Speaker 2: super producer Aaron, who were basically like, I cannot watch
Speaker 2: three in a row like that, and that's people. I
Speaker 2: also wonder if the word of mouth buzz will be
Speaker 2: impacted by the fact that a lot of people are
Speaker 2: not going to read an article about the first three episodes.
Speaker 2: They're going to want to read a little bit about
Speaker 2: the first one and then when they watched the second one.
Speaker 2: So I'm interested to see how the word of mouth
Speaker 2: buzz kind of continues, because again, this is a unique
Speaker 2: situation and a unique release schedule.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think word of mouth is interesting. People don't
Speaker 1: read anymore, which is and and try to keep to
Speaker 1: write about this are going to be very very pro right.
Speaker 1: But I also like nobody's people aren't reading them. And
Speaker 1: then the the more kind of active social media slash
Speaker 1: YouTube influencer based narrative spheres are you know, kind of
Speaker 1: very toxic. I'm I am interested to see how those spaces,
Speaker 1: how the like Star Wars has gone to woke spaces,
Speaker 1: react to this, because.
Speaker 7: There's there's a lot of like toxic racist bait in
Speaker 7: this show for people like that to latch onto.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's take a quick break and then we'll be
Speaker 1: right back. And we're back, folks, let's continue to talk
Speaker 1: about these three episodes and or season two episodes one, two,
Speaker 1: and three. From these episodes, is there a scene, Is
Speaker 1: there a moment that stood out to y'all as either
Speaker 1: a wow moment or just something that hit you in
Speaker 1: an emotional place unexpectedly? Joelle, I want to start with you.
Speaker 4: It's it's all about the wedding. For me, we have
Speaker 4: royal weddings. Listen.
Speaker 5: I really feel like tons of understood what the people love,
Speaker 5: which is padme and fabulous dresses. And we got the
Speaker 5: next meet name, which is the man Mathma looking good
Speaker 5: in every single scene, all of like the wedding dresses.
Speaker 4: She looks good in the Senate. She looks fabulous at
Speaker 4: a wedding.
Speaker 5: The dress reveal, which I thought was so poignant and lovely.
Speaker 4: You have these.
Speaker 2: I love the way that Chang drill and braids. They
Speaker 2: kind of look like they look like Jedi braids. They
Speaker 2: look like Padawan braids. Like there's so much in the
Speaker 2: language of Star Wars that we can recognize from the web.
Speaker 5: I was just gonna say, there's so much coding of
Speaker 5: how young Leda is in this. The way she leads
Speaker 5: the girls to the dresses. They're all holding hands, sneaking
Speaker 5: down the hallway like they're eight. Like it's they're blindfolded too,
Speaker 5: Like it's so precious, and it's She's like, I'm getting
Speaker 5: married and you're like, girl, this is too much. But
Speaker 5: like throughout the ceremony, I loved everything. I love Parents speech,
Speaker 5: which actually I wanted to talk to you guys about
Speaker 5: while we're here. So I was watching Celebration and Tony
Speaker 5: was talking about how he was upset at people's response
Speaker 5: and reaction to Parent in season one. He was like,
Speaker 5: they don't understand this guy, and I think he's just
Speaker 5: out here lying and cheating and wild and like, but
Speaker 5: he's like a person I love to make up a
Speaker 5: person so Gunzech. He gives him this great speech, where
Speaker 5: so clear that parent has such love and affection for
Speaker 5: his daughter, but he's a heenist. He's like, you know
Speaker 5: what a party like, live life, guys, drink.
Speaker 4: This is what I was.
Speaker 2: About the Rebellion like, and I think that that's also
Speaker 2: that's it's a fine thing to have in the show.
Speaker 2: But also as well, I think it's like, sorry, Tony,
Speaker 2: like people are going to be pissed at that.
Speaker 6: Mom Mothama is like a queen, and we feel like
Speaker 6: we don't necessarily see.
Speaker 2: Him loving her in the way that I would feel
Speaker 2: like she is she deserves to be loved. Me and Jason,
Speaker 2: in case you didn't know, we've both got big more
Speaker 2: muffin macrushes.
Speaker 4: Who doesn't she is. She's amazing.
Speaker 5: She's like hers the strength and calm and like moral
Speaker 5: conviction and trying to navigate all of this is really beautiful.
Speaker 5: I liked this idea of It's to me, it's another
Speaker 5: way to explore like the average person in the Rebellion,
Speaker 5: which is what this show seems to like. Going back
Speaker 5: in season one into now like has been really excellent
Speaker 5: at it's like these are just the normal people of
Speaker 5: the rebellion and like this is what so parents not
Speaker 5: a party. He's not interested in the rebellion. But he's
Speaker 5: also not interested in the Senate. He's not interested really
Speaker 5: in his way, he's trying to throw good parties and
Speaker 5: make sure people feel good.
Speaker 2: I was gonna says the tilistic because some people's response
Speaker 2: is like, well, how can we get through this in
Speaker 2: a way where we just feel good? Like how can
Speaker 2: we know everything sucks? And if it comes to it,
Speaker 2: I'm sure I would do the right thing. But right
Speaker 2: now I'm really feeling like I'll just keep throwing these
Speaker 2: parties and like entertaining people and maybe there's some some dealing,
Speaker 2: wheeling and dealing going on, you know. I think the
Speaker 2: wedding is a really good call, Joel, I personally am
Speaker 2: going to say. I think for me the most like
Speaker 2: the money money scene where I was like, oh, okay,
Speaker 2: this movie is this show is so expensive. It's just
Speaker 2: the opening where you know and Or is trying to steal.
Speaker 6: What they call here like a it's a test.
Speaker 2: It's like a new version of a tie fighter, but
Speaker 2: it's an avenger, a tie fighter avenger which is like
Speaker 2: a big part of Legends Cannon but has never been
Speaker 2: seen like in canon on screen, so it can be faster.
Speaker 2: It was created by Admiral Thraun in the actual books.
Speaker 2: He had a hand in creating it. And something that
Speaker 2: I think is really unbelievable about that scene is often
Speaker 2: when we see people steal a ship in Star Wars, right,
Speaker 2: they are immediately able to do it.
Speaker 6: They get it.
Speaker 2: Like even Finn and Poem one of my favorite scenes
Speaker 2: ever of any Star Wars movie where they steal the
Speaker 2: ship and they run away and they bond and he
Speaker 2: gives Finn his name, and it's very gay because clearly
Speaker 2: they're in love.
Speaker 6: They're in love. It's love at first sight. But even
Speaker 6: that scene, like it goes relatively well for them, right.
Speaker 2: It's like there's moments like they're still attached to the
Speaker 2: you know, the charging cables or whatever, but the force
Speaker 2: is with them now, I tell you who the force
Speaker 2: is absolutely not within this situation Cassie and angel. I
Speaker 2: love how bad he is at doing this because it's
Speaker 2: so realistic to like how rebellions work, what revolution is.
Speaker 6: He gets into this ti fire that.
Speaker 2: He's supposed to be taking to say, hey, this is
Speaker 2: a test, this is what they're doing now, but he
Speaker 2: never considers that he won't know how to fly it.
Speaker 6: And then he gets in and he's like, Oh, what
Speaker 6: the fuck is this?
Speaker 2: And I loved the moment and I got to see
Speaker 2: this scene on the big screen, and I have to
Speaker 2: say it was it was yelling in my ear, my
Speaker 2: fucking head voice was like why didn't they release this
Speaker 2: in the movie there? Why didn't they release this in
Speaker 2: the movie there? And I do believe that in another
Speaker 2: exact choice is probably at some point they did probably
Speaker 2: a conversation about whether this could be like an event
Speaker 2: style movie release, which I think could have worked. But
Speaker 2: we have Disney Plus and they need they need people
Speaker 2: to join Disney Plus.
Speaker 4: And I haven't had a lot of success release.
Speaker 6: No, they haven't yet television, they haven't yet found it.
Speaker 2: But I just for me, I thought that scene obviously
Speaker 2: looked like I texted the group and was like, this
Speaker 2: show looks like a million bucks. Every single moment is
Speaker 2: on the screen and it hooks in your classic Star
Speaker 2: Wars viewer, because I think what is really interesting is
Speaker 2: they open the episode and they open this big opening
Speaker 2: scene with him in you know, a black Stormtrooper costume, Like,
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's a death Trooper. I don't
Speaker 2: know what version it is. I don't know if it's
Speaker 2: just like an early Stormtrooper or I guess it's a
Speaker 2: Stormtrooper pilot costume.
Speaker 6: But this motherfucker. Look, you're like, whoa, isn't this meant
Speaker 6: to be our hero?
Speaker 4: Shit?
Speaker 6: Like he's and if you.
Speaker 2: Don't know the first season very well, you might be
Speaker 2: completely shocked. And I think that's a first hook. And
Speaker 2: then you get this unbelievable crash where he's just smashing
Speaker 2: up the space and he has to get out through
Speaker 2: just brute force of shooting the cannon, and it really
Speaker 2: gave me that feeling of like, by the end of this,
Speaker 2: you know, fifty to twenty minutes, you're cheering for him.
Speaker 2: You're like, yeah, go for it, man, you can do it.
Speaker 2: Do I think they keep up that momentum for the
Speaker 2: whole three first three episodes, But I do think that
Speaker 2: that that is, to me, the reason I've been recommending
Speaker 2: this to everyone, because I'm like, even if you don't like,
Speaker 2: you know, your standard long form Star Wars storytelling, if
Speaker 2: you're more of a like let's just get to it.
Speaker 6: What's going on.
Speaker 2: The three episode release does that, and that scene at
Speaker 2: the beginning is such an unbelievable visual feast that I
Speaker 2: think that is the one that really got me excited.
Speaker 5: That ship is also such a great symbol of the
Speaker 5: power of the Empire to start, like, without giving you
Speaker 5: any additional information on the Empire, to be like, as
Speaker 5: difficult as it is for him to escape, it's not
Speaker 5: that hard for him to learn the ship exactly and
Speaker 5: take out so many people so fat You're like, this
Speaker 5: is one ship he is actively learning how to use,
Speaker 5: and he does so much destruction and still gets away
Speaker 5: and wins. They're fucked, Like, how are you supposed to
Speaker 5: go up against an army of this is incredible. I'd
Speaker 5: love that opening scene boot.
Speaker 8: And the seat reclines, which is the height of luxury.
Speaker 2: So you know, obviously I'm climbing right now in my
Speaker 2: Eternals gaming chag guys, And I know Marvel did not
Speaker 2: send it to me.
Speaker 6: I bought it on clearance.
Speaker 2: Marvel send me all your old Eve, your Eternals merch
Speaker 2: that I know nobody else is buying.
Speaker 8: Well for me.
Speaker 7: I think the wedding scene is the obvious response to
Speaker 7: this question for me, like which scene looks like a
Speaker 7: million bucks? Where's the price tag? But since Joel already
Speaker 7: picked that, I also want to throw in Mina raw.
Speaker 8: Akaka Big Wheat.
Speaker 7: I thought all the scenes on Big Wheat were really gorgeous,
Speaker 7: like the sprawling wheat fields that you can see all
Speaker 7: the way to the horizon. This like warm color palette,
Speaker 7: the like grungey but simple like homesteads and shops that
Speaker 7: they're all living in, the beautiful silos. It's all kind
Speaker 7: of like very cozy and idyllic, and y'all compared it
Speaker 7: to Stardo Valley, which I think is perfectly apt in
Speaker 7: your recap. It looks like a simple life on this planet,
Speaker 7: your work, you participate in your community. I can I
Speaker 7: imagine generations and farmers lived on Mina raw So even
Speaker 7: that sequence and that scene and those scenes on that
Speaker 7: planet were absolutely gorgeous.
Speaker 6: I totally agree.
Speaker 2: And you know this is going to maybe sound like
Speaker 2: a random comparison, But when I saw Sinners, which you
Speaker 2: should all go and see, it's amazing. When I saw
Speaker 2: it the imax, I immediately thought about and Or and
Speaker 2: the scenes on Big Weight, because there are these moments
Speaker 2: that Ryan Coogle are in a cinematographer just showcase just
Speaker 2: a landscape, but it tells you so much about the
Speaker 2: story and where we are and what.
Speaker 6: People are doing.
Speaker 2: And I feel like the way that Tony Gilroy shoots
Speaker 2: Big Wheat especially, is like, look at this, this is
Speaker 2: what it could be. This is how they have been living.
Speaker 2: It's peaceful, it's calm. There's a version of life where
Speaker 2: you can hide from the Empire and still do great stuff.
Speaker 2: And obviously, you know, we see that disrupted by the Empire.
Speaker 2: But I love that sequence and I thought they did
Speaker 2: such a good job of reintroducing us to characters like
Speaker 2: Will and Bigs and see it like showing us where
Speaker 2: they're at. You know, Jason, how about you? What was
Speaker 2: your big money scene?
Speaker 5: Gosh?
Speaker 1: I do I think the wedding as well. You know,
Speaker 1: I don't think we've ever seen anything like that in
Speaker 1: Star Wars. There's been a lot of music, obviously, like
Speaker 1: a dull back to you know, Episode four, Cantena scene,
Speaker 1: Return of the Jedi, the wonderful party in the in
Speaker 1: the gigantic redwood trees of end Or. There's always been
Speaker 1: these kind of party scenes, but there's never been one that,
Speaker 1: you know, like I think looked and felt like this.
Speaker 1: This is m.
Speaker 5: It.
Speaker 1: First of all, the music was legitimately great. The dance
Speaker 1: two there's like a there you know there, there's a
Speaker 1: there's a thing that Mon is doing here where she's
Speaker 1: under stress. She's having to deal with the outcome of
Speaker 1: this really tough decision she made the results of her
Speaker 1: money laundering in order to send funds to the rebellion,
Speaker 1: which ended up with her having to offer her daughter's
Speaker 1: hand in marriage, and this she doesn't want to do,
Speaker 1: and she's under tremendous stress. There's multiple undercover rebel spies
Speaker 1: and imperial figures at this wedding, Like that is you know,
Speaker 1: I think anybody that's ever been in a room with
Speaker 1: your current partner and an ex or your or your situation,
Speaker 1: or your current partner and someone you hooked up with,
Speaker 1: or two people that you hooked up with who don't
Speaker 1: know about each other, can only imagine the fraction of
Speaker 1: the stress that Mon is feeling with figures who if
Speaker 1: they talk, could result in like interrogation and death. For
Speaker 1: you know, a dozen people in this room, including like
Speaker 1: her love ones like this is incredibly stressful and for.
Speaker 4: Losing their absolute ship.
Speaker 6: Well, yeah he's not. He's in my enemy list for
Speaker 6: this show, Tay.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well let me tell you I have empathy for TA.
Speaker 1: But that's true. Later he helped, he really did help
Speaker 1: them out. And now he's like, hey, I'm the only
Speaker 1: one without a fucking raincoat in and it's storming.
Speaker 5: And that's what you think. Or you get into these situations, Tay,
Speaker 5: you can't contra just just i mean charged into this
Speaker 5: to help, which is lovely. Thank you, they needed your help,
Speaker 5: But then you didn't build any protection for yourself.
Speaker 4: The deal is over, I mean loudly, just to anyone, I.
Speaker 1: Will say that I have Again, I'm not saying that
Speaker 1: I I'm just saying that I have empathy for the game.
Speaker 7: He helped get it too. When your childhood crushed, man,
Speaker 7: Mathma shows up with a request, you just say.
Speaker 4: Do it help?
Speaker 1: And then you know surely she doesn't. She doesn't share
Speaker 1: all the details about what was happening. And then as
Speaker 1: he begins to kind of glean the danger he's in,
Speaker 1: he's sitting there going, well, wait a second, you've got
Speaker 1: your people.
Speaker 4: Backing you up.
Speaker 1: Davel Skolden is a fucking active warlord in the galaxy.
Speaker 1: He's fine, like I'm just take Homo like out here,
Speaker 1: like what's for me? So I get his wife.
Speaker 2: His wife left them, which I do think they kind
Speaker 2: of imply is because of this reconnection with.
Speaker 6: Ma We and Mon.
Speaker 1: Will listen, Mon feels terrible that she put it in.
Speaker 1: She's not just terrified that that Tay could blow everything
Speaker 1: up with this very hamhanded attempted extortion that he's very
Speaker 1: lightly unhurling, right, but also the fact that that she
Speaker 1: did put him in this but like she reached out
Speaker 1: to a friend and put them under the executioner's block.
Speaker 1: She did that, so she's feeling terrible about it.
Speaker 2: That was one when she didn't know, like she was
Speaker 2: not aware of what the rebellion was really about. She
Speaker 2: hadn't got a handstudy, and we start to see how
Speaker 2: kind of more coming from her.
Speaker 1: Hands have been getting progressively dirtier. So she's there's an
Speaker 1: aspect to this for a different this is a different conversation,
Speaker 1: but like there is an aspect of idealism and recklessness
Speaker 1: that you need to have to enter into this kind
Speaker 1: of ongoing concern. That said, the when Mom breaks into
Speaker 1: the dance and kind of is like, you know what,
Speaker 1: for the next fifteen minutes, I'm gonna I'm gonna dip
Speaker 1: into Parent's energy, the one who is like, you know,
Speaker 1: like from parent. I have empathy for him.
Speaker 4: I get it.
Speaker 1: It's like his perspective is his perspective is, Hey, we're rich.
Speaker 1: Why are we getting in with anything troubling? Why not shossle?
Speaker 4: But I understand why not?
Speaker 1: Just got to fuck up and enjoy our money. It's
Speaker 1: not my neck, it's not our neck, it's not our
Speaker 1: daughter's neck. Let's just sit back. It's terrible what's going on.
Speaker 2: But look at how much we have to lose Jason's
Speaker 2: classic for this season we go to add the classic
Speaker 2: disclaim obviously no relevance that to anything in real life.
Speaker 4: Anyway, all.
Speaker 1: I was, we're going to share the list later, but
Speaker 1: I made a list on letterbox of films that I
Speaker 1: think have influenced and or or at least in the
Speaker 1: same kind of vibe as and Or in season one
Speaker 1: and two. One of them is a doctor Renner called
Speaker 1: The Sorrow and the Pity about the French resistance in
Speaker 1: World War Two, and uh, you know, one of the things,
Speaker 1: one of the Resistors talks about how the people who
Speaker 1: it was, the blue collar people, the working people who
Speaker 1: would give you the shirt off back and help you
Speaker 1: and hide the guns and do all these things. It
Speaker 1: was the people who had something to lose that you
Speaker 1: had a lot of trouble getting to help you. And
Speaker 1: I think and that really resonated, like that's that's Peren.
Speaker 1: He has got too much to lose in his mind.
Speaker 1: And I get it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I understand, and he's worked in his you know,
Speaker 2: it's like why put ourselves at risk? Well this actually
Speaker 2: sets up our next question perfectly, which is that? And
Speaker 2: we kind of touched on it because for me, I
Speaker 2: think Mon is that like mon'stance is definitely up there.
Speaker 2: But for you guys were like that, what was the
Speaker 2: moment that was like the biggest emotional gut punch? Like
Speaker 2: what was it that kept that kind of went Oh, like,
Speaker 2: you're watching it, you're into it, you're vibing on the
Speaker 2: tie fighters, you're looking at the wedding, But what was
Speaker 2: that moment where you were like, oh shit, I can
Speaker 2: remember like the power of this show A boo, who
Speaker 2: is your what's your biggest gut punch moment? The moment
Speaker 2: that kind of really hooked you in on that emotional
Speaker 2: level of what this show can do. Uh.
Speaker 7: I definitely had a couple of ones that I was
Speaker 7: tossing around in response to this question, but the one
Speaker 7: I'm gonna go with happens in episode three. It's that
Speaker 7: short scene where Mon is talking to her daughter before
Speaker 7: they enter the circle and do the like traditional official
Speaker 7: whatever wedding ceremony thing, and Man tells her daughter that
Speaker 7: she doesn't have to go through with this, that they
Speaker 7: can walk through that door and just tell everybody that
Speaker 7: wedding it's delayed, and h For some reason, I found
Speaker 7: that really really touching, like it speaks to Man's characters
Speaker 7: so much, because I feel for her like she is
Speaker 7: in this family the only rebel, the only person that
Speaker 7: can like look at the status quo, that can look
Speaker 7: at all this pomp and circumstance and chandrill and tradition
Speaker 7: around her and go, we don't fucking need this, Like there,
Speaker 7: we can do away with all of this in much
Speaker 7: the same way that like thematically, and she's like, we
Speaker 7: can do away with the empire, like we don't need
Speaker 7: this status quo and sticking to tradition and seeking to
Speaker 7: what we know, is it maybe always the right path?
Speaker 7: And in fact, she even tells Leita that if we
Speaker 7: go out there and call off this wedding right now,
Speaker 7: that it will quote be remembered as a great act
Speaker 7: of bravery, which could be said about many of many
Speaker 7: acts by many rebels over the course of Star.
Speaker 8: Wars against the Empire.
Speaker 7: Right. Yeah, And so I really resonated with Mon here,
Speaker 7: not necessarily as a mother speaking to her daughter, but
Speaker 7: as sort of the outcast of the family. Maybe everyone
Speaker 7: in your family thinks you're crazy for thinking differently, mm hmm.
Speaker 8: I felt that I think.
Speaker 6: That touches on are really good.
Speaker 2: My one I have like a I have a couple
Speaker 2: of split ones, but but one I think the one
Speaker 2: that really made me kind of like catch my breath
Speaker 2: was actually in the first episode, I believe, which is
Speaker 2: when Liita has the argument with her future husband he
Speaker 2: won't hold her hand, he's like a kid. She kind
Speaker 2: of has this romantic ideal of what it should be
Speaker 2: this wedding, obviously because she has seen it points her
Speaker 2: parents be in love and those kind of people. But
Speaker 2: the thing that got me is just when Mon says
Speaker 2: she's just like I'm sorry, and I think it was
Speaker 2: the nature of a sincere apology from an adult to
Speaker 2: a child, which we never.
Speaker 6: Get to see.
Speaker 2: But also in that moment, the apology is so weighted
Speaker 2: because she's actually not apologizing because they don't get along.
Speaker 2: She's apologizing because I fucking sold you into this marriage
Speaker 2: to help these other people who I would.
Speaker 6: Probably never meet. And there was so much in that moment,
Speaker 6: so much.
Speaker 2: In that I'm sorry that that really caught me and
Speaker 2: I thought about it a lot the rest of the episodes.
Speaker 6: Joelle, how about you.
Speaker 5: Yeah, So if the full circle moments for Mon are devastating,
Speaker 5: like her whole thing about her mother, you know, being drugs,
Speaker 5: she I just I just now understand, like why my
Speaker 5: mother's behaving'sway at my own wedding. The b is a
Speaker 5: brave act almost read to me as like a wish
Speaker 5: Mon Mathma had been brave enough to do on her
Speaker 5: wedding day, you know, like she's coming to these complete
Speaker 5: full conclusions about everything in her life, about her status
Speaker 5: as a rebel, like what it means, like what that
Speaker 5: actual sacrifice is going to have to look like on
Speaker 5: she has like these come toutment with her husband it's
Speaker 5: like not cheating on you?
Speaker 4: What are you talking about?
Speaker 6: Like that's crazy, like she is.
Speaker 5: She's like, I'm in a rebellion. That's the deception that
Speaker 5: you're sensing. It's not cheating.
Speaker 1: This trust you.
Speaker 4: Right, Like the the all of that is great.
Speaker 5: I put down something and then Aaron came at me
Speaker 5: so hard with a fact that I just could. I
Speaker 5: was like, I was like, since a barely acknowledged vel
Speaker 5: the tragedy. He was like, what about Bix And I
Speaker 5: was like, Nope, you're right, You're right, it's not about
Speaker 5: uh my queer love obsession was let's roll back. So
Speaker 5: I'm gonna say the the PTSD elements of Bicks' story
Speaker 5: are destroying me, like when the dream with the doctor
Speaker 5: and her, she's waking up in bed and he's like,
Speaker 5: that's so terrifying. And then to be without you know,
Speaker 5: and Or who you know. We talked about this before
Speaker 5: we started recording. There's not a kiss when and Or
Speaker 5: and Bixed reunite, but there is a love connection if you.
Speaker 2: There is a hug, there's a you're so happy to
Speaker 2: see that person hug.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I would leave at one point, Andor calls her his
Speaker 5: home and so I was just gonna say, like the
Speaker 5: everything Bix goes through and then to be attacked again
Speaker 5: by the Empire in a way that if you're a woman,
Speaker 5: is almost mundane, Like you know what I mean, Like
Speaker 5: she's a beautiful woman alone.
Speaker 2: Agree, I agree. I actually found to me the assault
Speaker 2: I could have done without it. I think that the
Speaker 2: thing that really scared me and that we talked about
Speaker 2: on the podcast is just the guy showing up at
Speaker 2: her door and being like, I'm aware you're alone, and
Speaker 2: there's nothing you can do about this. And if I
Speaker 2: if you don't agree to consensually like go to the
Speaker 2: bar with me, I can just whatever I want to.
Speaker 6: I can kill you.
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, the.
Speaker 5: I will force you to do this is so swift
Speaker 5: and genuinely terrifying. It again very mundane and does not
Speaker 5: a galaxy bar for away needs happen like it is.
Speaker 5: It is very in your face for her to get
Speaker 5: her lick back so soon I was, I was on
Speaker 5: the same fence with you, Rosie.
Speaker 7: Of just it's also with the additional subtext in that
Speaker 7: scene that he is pretty aware that she's probably undocumented
Speaker 7: as well. So even the additional subtext of like I
Speaker 7: have power over you because I know you have no incourse.
Speaker 7: You can't even do anything about this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just not to interrupt, but just to say I
Speaker 1: think that one of the I think one of the
Speaker 1: what that made me think of that particular interaction, with
Speaker 1: multiple interactions with that Imperial squad leader, is it. You
Speaker 1: know what, at a certain point people joined to do that.
Speaker 1: You know they will join when you learn that you
Speaker 1: can join an organization that lets you have complete power
Speaker 1: over other people. Nobody's really looking at what's happening. You know,
Speaker 1: you just kind of like snatch people, disappear them. There's
Speaker 1: no logs, there's no nothing. The people who want to
Speaker 1: do that are drawn to that life. And that's what
Speaker 1: the Empire is now on a lot of levels, is
Speaker 1: people who want to do that.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 5: And I think my big concern coming off because I
Speaker 5: had to say, like we've for sure seen through throughout
Speaker 5: the history of film and television sexual assault against women
Speaker 5: being used as plot devices for guys to get their
Speaker 5: lick back, to make us empathetic to women or whatever.
Speaker 5: I think Tony has a more deft pen. I do worry.
Speaker 5: I can't have BIGS being a punching bag all season
Speaker 5: like that.
Speaker 6: She has to ship back together.
Speaker 5: Yeah, like whatever that means for her, there has to
Speaker 5: be healing and and I'm moving on from this point
Speaker 5: to some degree because I just I my poor soul
Speaker 5: can't handle it. And it's also it's just to me,
Speaker 5: that's an important element of the rebellion. I'll put it
Speaker 5: that way. To me, like, if this is a constant
Speaker 5: thing that women go through, whether we're in a chaotic
Speaker 5: time or not, and we know that it is, then
Speaker 5: but we also know how many if you know, women
Speaker 5: come back, they fight back, they find the ground. We
Speaker 5: just we need that arc for her or it's going
Speaker 5: to be very disappointing. So that's a yeah, that all
Speaker 5: of that storyline was incredible, But thank god she got
Speaker 5: to kill that guy. How satisfying fucking cop guy who
Speaker 5: came in and.
Speaker 4: Was like wa talked too awful. Yeah, we should probably
Speaker 4: also very quickly just mention brass. So getting shot right
Speaker 4: to that man, RP.
Speaker 1: That man he did a lot.
Speaker 6: He should never have got shot, Jon, hero of Pheris.
Speaker 2: Was there any other moments we didn't touch on that
Speaker 2: kind of caught you in that way? And how'd you
Speaker 2: think in like this show still has the juice.
Speaker 1: Well, there's so many there's so many themes and things
Speaker 1: in the show and interactions and scenes that I just
Speaker 1: think about on a as a person who cares deeply
Speaker 1: about the world and reads a lot. And I think
Speaker 1: one of them, even though I shit on them through
Speaker 1: our recap, was the scene of the the infighting, the
Speaker 1: rebel infighting, because it's you know, it's something I think
Speaker 1: about so much as a person who's been to a
Speaker 1: lot of protests over my adult life and has experienced
Speaker 1: like these kind of debates where rather than fighting the
Speaker 1: enemy in front of you, you're fighting each other over
Speaker 1: small Now I don't want to say small over details
Speaker 1: that are unimportant. If you don't defeat the enemy. There
Speaker 1: is no conversation about how we can shape the world
Speaker 1: after the empire if you don't get to after the empire.
Speaker 1: And so that scene of these like young idealistic rebels
Speaker 1: scrapping with each other, shooting at each other, like arguing
Speaker 1: about bullshit, not knowing what they're doing, it really resonated.
Speaker 1: And I think part of the thing about resistance that
Speaker 1: I think is necessary, that this I think this show
Speaker 1: is saying is necessary, is like an amount of recklessness,
Speaker 1: because if you are a rational person like paren, then
Speaker 1: you say, I don't want to go to jail. I
Speaker 1: don't want to lose everything. I don't want to lose
Speaker 1: my job. I don't want to lose my friends. I
Speaker 1: don't want to die. I don't want to get executed.
Speaker 1: I don' want to get interrogated. Let's just like for
Speaker 1: allow the rules and okay, So what you need is
Speaker 1: people who go, I can't stand this so much that
Speaker 1: I have to do something. And those are the people
Speaker 1: who are you're gonna end up with, right like that
Speaker 1: are first going to enter your barracks as recruits or
Speaker 1: the people who like, I can't stand this anymore, I
Speaker 1: have to do something. And the fact is those people
Speaker 1: are are sometimes unstable, like sometimes they don't know what
Speaker 1: they're doing. They don't have a fully formed ideological worldview.
Speaker 1: They just know that they hate this and they want
Speaker 1: to fight. And what you get is this like infighting.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 1: The issue is that I think about a lot in
Speaker 1: our real world is like, how come we need that level?
Speaker 1: Just uh, it seems to devour its own and then
Speaker 1: nobody ever rises from that to be like to be
Speaker 1: able to like actually lead a group, and so it's
Speaker 1: interesting to watch Cassie and I think kind of struggle
Speaker 1: with this, Like he could be the leader of these kids,
Speaker 1: right He's telling them, here, do this, it's rain and
Speaker 1: collect water all these things, but he also like doesn't
Speaker 1: want to. He's like, you guys are fucking annoying. You
Speaker 1: guys are.
Speaker 5: Idiots, exactly such a side that part. It'd be such
Speaker 5: a side quest for him that he just completely throw
Speaker 5: them off mission. And on top of that, there's no
Speaker 5: one here willing to capitulate. There's nobody here willing to
Speaker 5: bend the need to know you've got we're going in
Speaker 5: this direction, like we just have to go, and like
Speaker 5: that ability to coordinate and move together is such an
Speaker 5: essential element of any like group task. I mean, take
Speaker 5: rebellion and fighting and war out of it. Like there
Speaker 5: were never going to get past this point. They couldn't
Speaker 5: agree on who to follow. It was a hot mess.
Speaker 7: I also think, while we're on the topic of the
Speaker 7: Yavint scenes and the the young clueless rebels, on my
Speaker 7: first watch, I was kind of like, these guys are
Speaker 7: so annoying and these scenes are annoying me. But on
Speaker 7: a rewatch sort of considering the bigger themes of this story,
Speaker 7: I also wonder if these first three episodes and the
Speaker 7: purpose of that those scenes in particular is to show
Speaker 7: us like it is time for the rebellion to maybe
Speaker 7: come out of the shadows. Like having Luthan, somebody like
Speaker 7: Luthen operating different cells and total shadow secrecy will only
Speaker 7: be so effective in a rebellion in achieving the end goal.
Speaker 7: And someone like mon Mathma, some figurehead, bail organa, somebody
Speaker 7: needs to step up and come out of the shadows
Speaker 7: in order to finish the fight. This is not the
Speaker 7: way you'll finish the fight. This is how you'll start it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the shadow what could still work under but you
Speaker 2: just it's part of the rebellion so far, it's all
Speaker 2: of the rebellion. So I think you're right, you need
Speaker 2: that side, and I do believe that we will get
Speaker 2: to that place thinking of the timeline, But like you're right,
Speaker 2: they need like a figurehead, you know, they need somebody
Speaker 2: who will can kind.
Speaker 1: This is the here's the problem, and it's I think
Speaker 1: a problem that I think people will resonate with the
Speaker 1: rebellion controls nothing. Yeah, they don't have the heights of
Speaker 1: the economy completely in they hands of the empire. They
Speaker 1: don't have the media and an ability to communicate in
Speaker 1: a safe and secure space. They're ideals what they want
Speaker 1: to do. They can't voice an opinion anywhere. Three, they
Speaker 1: don't even they Yavin is a place right that they're
Speaker 1: hiding out it, but it's not a base yet. This
Speaker 1: is why Yavin is so important, because you need that
Speaker 1: safe space where you can gather and start to talk
Speaker 1: about things. And so what you're I think you're absolutely
Speaker 1: right aboot, like they need that. But there's also the
Speaker 1: thing of everybody's been operating underground necessarily because again, the
Speaker 1: rebellion controls nothing. They have no they have none of
Speaker 1: the resources or the control of the recess or the
Speaker 1: gates to control of the resources that would be necessary
Speaker 1: to fight this. They don't even have gas for their
Speaker 1: fucking chips yet. So how do you get that stuff?
Speaker 1: And how do you get that stuff without getting arrested?
Speaker 1: You have to do it in these little weird cells
Speaker 1: that are just kind of coalescing on their own, and
Speaker 1: it's a mess. And this is this is a necessary
Speaker 1: stage to it, and it just it's you know, I
Speaker 1: think a thing that maybe a lot of people are
Speaker 1: thinking about is like, well, how do I I hate
Speaker 1: what's going on? How do I do anything? And I think, like,
Speaker 1: you know, I've seen other people write like this is
Speaker 1: kind of a resistance handbook, and it is in the
Speaker 1: way that like people decide I can do this one thing.
Speaker 1: So I'm going to do this and I'm not going
Speaker 1: to coordinate with anybody because that's dangerous. And that's where
Speaker 1: the rebels are now. They can't coordinate because it's dangerous,
Speaker 1: and it looks messy because it is, and hopefully they
Speaker 1: get their shit together. Let's take a quick break and
Speaker 1: regret back. Okay, world building, I think did we say
Speaker 1: in these first three episodes, Rosie that this is the
Speaker 1: best world building of Star Wars? I believe that, But
Speaker 1: abou Joel, I'd love to hear your takes, Like, what
Speaker 1: did you think of the world building in this in
Speaker 1: these three episodes thus far? Aboo, Let's start with you.
Speaker 7: So I'm just going to call out a couple of
Speaker 7: small world building details that I really liked. I totally
Speaker 7: agree that, like this is some of the best Star
Speaker 7: Wars world building we're getting on screen. You know, I
Speaker 7: think there are many books that do wonderful.
Speaker 8: Star Wars world building.
Speaker 7: Yes, I want to shout out the DJ droid at
Speaker 7: the wedding. He was having a great time and he
Speaker 7: was helping everybody else have a great time.
Speaker 8: Love it.
Speaker 2: Aaron is like, I'm seeing Yeah, It's like, finally, this
Speaker 2: is the most important part.
Speaker 6: What did Aaron call them?
Speaker 7: Like diplow three poe three diplow po Aaron tried his best,
Speaker 7: I get it, good joke. I also really, I mean,
Speaker 7: I think a lot of the Chadrilline customs I found
Speaker 7: really really fascinating. As Rosie you and Joel stated it,
Speaker 7: it really connected to many aspects of Star Wars that
Speaker 7: we can identify the braids. There was even a cutting
Speaker 7: of the braids ceremony at one moment. So I really
Speaker 7: enjoyed a lot of the chentrill and the custom of
Speaker 7: like going up the side of the mountain to this
Speaker 7: pointless little tradition. I liked a lot of that, and
Speaker 7: I liked that the show was brave enough to just
Speaker 7: dwell on that right, like to have a very long
Speaker 7: drawn out scene where the parents and the kids who
Speaker 7: are getting married do this whole song and dance thing,
Speaker 7: and to let that scene Breathe and take take up
Speaker 7: five minutes of an episode. I also want to shout
Speaker 7: out that I really liked seeing Deirdre and cereals apartment
Speaker 7: and coroside.
Speaker 6: Yes, it's interesting. It's interesting to see this.
Speaker 2: And I will say one of the biggest things I've
Speaker 2: been running through the reddits today. I've been going on
Speaker 2: the discord like and there was a Reddit post I
Speaker 2: was going to bring up later, but really the point
Speaker 2: he makes is so relevant to this reddit was a
Speaker 2: black Drew and the he said he gave a great
Speaker 2: kind of feeling about the show.
Speaker 6: But what he said that I think is very true.
Speaker 2: It is just seeing the normal the lives of the
Speaker 2: normal people in this universe is fascinating. And I guess
Speaker 2: that is what seeing people's apartments, What does it look
Speaker 2: like if you work for the Empire?
Speaker 6: Where do you live?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 2: It's so interesting to me, And I think the same
Speaker 2: with Big Week. I think those sections of like building
Speaker 2: out the world are easily some of the best that
Speaker 2: we've seen in Star Wars and definitely feel very Lucas
Speaker 2: like very prequels, very Lucas. Very Maybe you don't even
Speaker 2: think you care about this, but then you end up
Speaker 2: something like the DJ Droid. I'm already seeing so many
Speaker 2: memes about that and about Mon's wedding, and.
Speaker 4: I think.
Speaker 2: Cyril laying on the bed getting to see Chandrilla before
Speaker 2: the Battle of end Or, when it's like and then
Speaker 2: it becomes the capital of the new Republic, and seeing
Speaker 2: what it was like before that, and seeing Mon's life
Speaker 2: and the life of the people who just you know,
Speaker 2: live and work there. I just think that stuff is
Speaker 2: so interesting, and I do think that is one of
Speaker 2: the biggest things that this show gets. Right Joelle, what
Speaker 2: about you, What was your big world building moment that
Speaker 2: you just loved.
Speaker 5: I was really interested in the internal world of and Or,
Speaker 5: if that makes sense of like the character himself, we
Speaker 5: meet him at such an interesting time, like Okay, first
Speaker 5: of all, shout out to Curvy Girls in Space, our
Speaker 5: very first one. She's amazing to start the show on
Speaker 5: her inauguration into the rebellion, right, Yeah, to have When
Speaker 5: we think about when we first meet Cassian, it's in
Speaker 5: rogue one. He's meeting a spy. The spy's TELLINGHI, somebody's nervous,
Speaker 5: and he's scared, and that's making and Or nervous and scared,
Speaker 5: and so he killed him because he's like, yeah, we
Speaker 5: don't have time for this, and I have to flee
Speaker 5: from this planet. The fact that he takes time to
Speaker 5: stop and speak to this woman and give her not
Speaker 5: just encouragement, not just you know, like a little support
Speaker 5: ince the moment she asked him a question. She said,
Speaker 5: if I die tonight, was it worth it? Which is
Speaker 5: sort of like the ultimate question, you know, for us
Speaker 5: as a viewership because of where we're entering, We're asking,
Speaker 5: is the eventual outcome of Cassian sacrifice worth it?
Speaker 4: You know, we understand it was worth it in.
Speaker 5: That our heroes later and episode four are going to
Speaker 5: be but we're like in the last of us space,
Speaker 5: which like, hmm, it's our love for Cassian that we've
Speaker 5: built over time. Is it going to be worthy to
Speaker 5: us to lose him even though we know that eventually
Speaker 5: it works out for everybody. And so he gives us
Speaker 5: this line, which is this makes it worth it? This
Speaker 5: right now being with you being here at the moment
Speaker 5: you step into the circle again, We'll come back to
Speaker 5: the idea of how important circles is. You made this
Speaker 5: decision long ago. The Empire cannot win You'll never feel
Speaker 5: right until you're doing what you can to stop them.
Speaker 5: You're coming home to yourself. You've become more than your fear.
Speaker 5: Let that protect you.
Speaker 2: What I love about this too, is like when he
Speaker 2: meets Jin in the in he says to a welcome home.
Speaker 2: So this is part of He's like practice say, like,
Speaker 2: what do you say to rebels? And you're more than
Speaker 2: you fear is something that Nemick said to him, you
Speaker 2: know about when he was talking about the journals. So
Speaker 2: I love that we're seeing Andor's life as it is
Speaker 2: influenced by other rebels that he has met and the
Speaker 2: way they have made an impact on him, and then
Speaker 2: how he is going to continue that to other young rebels.
Speaker 6: I think that's so amazing.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I just feel like we sort of removed a
Speaker 5: lot of the fantasy element of Star Wars, even tho
Speaker 5: I started this episode saying, bout like the Star Wars
Speaker 5: is so back in here. It like the stripping down
Speaker 5: of that over time, Like it makes the show so
Speaker 5: much more terrifying and brilliant, brilliant, And I think it
Speaker 5: does break the world wide open to experience not just
Speaker 5: the black and whites of good and evil, but like
Speaker 5: the idea of who are you going to save in
Speaker 5: this moment and what can you do right here in
Speaker 5: this space?
Speaker 4: I think that is.
Speaker 5: Just so vital to the storytelling, and it makes everything
Speaker 5: feel so much more like I just think you can
Speaker 5: feel for these care even more than you could feel
Speaker 5: like Lay and Lukey wanted them to get out, okay,
Speaker 5: but they were adventurers and heroes, and because they were
Speaker 5: built on that hero's journey, you know where their outcome is.
Speaker 5: They've already busted that wide open and so now all
Speaker 5: you can do is hurt and feel while you're watching
Speaker 5: these people do what they need to do so that
Speaker 5: everybody else can have a brighter future. It's devastating, but
Speaker 5: it's so good and I think it makes everything feel
Speaker 5: so much more tangible and real.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and speaking to the idea of this being a
Speaker 7: rebellion guidebook, right and Cassie and telling all of us
Speaker 7: that it's okay to be scared.
Speaker 8: It's okay that we maybe did.
Speaker 7: Have some good times with the Empire, but that deep down,
Speaker 7: if you if you really feel something is wrong, doing
Speaker 7: something about it will be coming home to yourself that
Speaker 7: that will finally feel like the right thing.
Speaker 8: To do to me.
Speaker 1: That's like, is it okay that I enjoyed this? Save
Speaker 1: it for your therapi, save it for your therapist. But
Speaker 1: I get it, like we've all been there, right, but
Speaker 1: we're here to do a thing right.
Speaker 6: Doing the thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I will say doing the thing.
Speaker 6: I do not disagree with Jason. We had quite a
Speaker 6: lot of fun talking about that moment on the recap.
Speaker 2: But I will say I think it speaks to one
Speaker 2: of the things I love the most in these kind
Speaker 2: of stories. It's very Claudia Gray Lost Stars.
Speaker 6: It's very kind of like it's this notion of like it's.
Speaker 2: The clerk's conundrum that they raised in that movie, you know,
Speaker 2: forty years ago whenever that came out now because we're
Speaker 2: all old, But like, who is working on the Death Star?
Speaker 2: Like when they blew up the Death Star? Aren't there
Speaker 2: a bunch of contractors there who probably don't even have
Speaker 2: a choice. Are there a bunch of enslaved people there working?
Speaker 2: Are there a bunch of children who were literally picked
Speaker 2: up from their planets and stolen and turned into stormtroopers?
Speaker 2: Like if you start thinking about the real collateral damage,
Speaker 2: you realize that nothing is as you know, it's a
Speaker 2: lot more complicated than a gold medal at the end
Speaker 2: of a New Hope, and I mean at the end
Speaker 2: of her Return of the Jedi. But I also think,
Speaker 2: like I loved that little moment where she is aware
Speaker 2: that she shouldn't have been having fun because it's a
Speaker 2: fucking Nazi shit. But guess what, she's also a human
Speaker 2: being who probably like made friends with people and was
Speaker 2: able to make the best of what she did. And
Speaker 2: I think those little lines are so so real because
Speaker 2: it's like you said, Jason, keep that in the group chat,
Speaker 2: message that to your friends, like it's not you don't
Speaker 2: need to tell this random rebel, but luckily he is
Speaker 2: Cassie and Andel, and he gives you the best speech
Speaker 2: of your life, like you're never gonna forget that.
Speaker 1: I feel the same way about in terms of world
Speaker 1: being about For me, it's that emotional territory of Joelle
Speaker 1: put it best, like the in the Star Wars movies, right,
Speaker 1: everybody's a fucking adventure. You never ever, ever, for one
Speaker 1: moment get the feeling that anybody's actually afraid or nervous
Speaker 1: or wondering like is this gonna work? Whereas there's every
Speaker 1: character in this story on different levels, it's like, fuck,
Speaker 1: did I I didn't know that it would mean doing this? Likeman,
Speaker 1: is like, know what would mean? I have to be
Speaker 1: okay with the murder of my former boyfriend and I
Speaker 1: just have to pretend I knew nothing about the fact
Speaker 1: that he's going to drop off the face of the earth,
Speaker 1: right this person that I cared about, Or it's it's
Speaker 1: this you know, imperial worker who's like, fuck, I kind
Speaker 1: of like liked my time here. Even though I agree
Speaker 1: that this is fine, I'm doing this, but like, am
Speaker 1: I doing the right thing? Is this going to work?
Speaker 1: Is this going to come back on me? Going to think?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: And I think that emotional territory of what did I
Speaker 1: get myself into? This is the right thing? But is
Speaker 1: it the cost too high? Is is really really rich?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 1: I think? And it's there's a moment where Luthen where
Speaker 1: they're talking around it. It's one of the you know,
Speaker 1: the tone zone pen is so good because a lot
Speaker 1: of times, you know, these are spies, So they're talking
Speaker 1: about a thing, but they're talking around it, and they're
Speaker 1: at the wedding and mon is saying Tayte freaking out
Speaker 1: he's kind of extorting me. He's suggesting that he might
Speaker 1: need more money or something to protect himself. I don't
Speaker 1: I don't know what to do. And Luthan is like, really,
Speaker 1: you don't know what to do. You don't know what
Speaker 1: to do.
Speaker 6: You don't you do it?
Speaker 1: He says, he I think he she and then she
Speaker 1: under picks up what he's putting down. This means you're
Speaker 1: your guy's gonna have to go away, like we're gonna
Speaker 1: have to do him in somehow. And she's like, I'm shocked,
Speaker 1: and he says, I'm shocked.
Speaker 8: You're shocked.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's that real come to Jesus, like what
Speaker 1: did you think we were doing?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 1: What do you what do you think? Yeah? And it's
Speaker 1: that real reckoning with the cost. The cost is here's
Speaker 1: this person that you like. You generally like this person.
Speaker 1: We're going to kill them to keep this whole because
Speaker 1: we're in it to win it. We're not in it
Speaker 1: to or a few hits and walk away and go
Speaker 1: vacation on the on the beach planet. We're here to
Speaker 1: actually win the thing.
Speaker 6: And that means we're probably never gonna see the win.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that means a lot of other people maybe
Speaker 1: that you like, are not going to see the win.
Speaker 1: And it's those moments where characters are reckoning with the
Speaker 1: cost that is you've never seen that in Star Wars
Speaker 1: before on this level on this and maybe in the
Speaker 1: comics some of the comics are maybe in some of
Speaker 1: the books, but like not like this on the big
Speaker 1: on a screen where everything looks amazing, and that is
Speaker 1: the stuff that has really captured me about this show.
Speaker 8: Completely agreed.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, it's it's really fantastic.
Speaker 2: I mean, let's look at what some some things Aaron
Speaker 2: thought as as as a person watching this show.
Speaker 3: The discord is always gang live, he cannot live.
Speaker 6: They love going in the discord.
Speaker 3: Okay, He's gonna make a point though that I think
Speaker 3: we're all gonna agree with it.
Speaker 2: Yea. Cyril's mom, Edie, the greatest Star Wars villain since Thorn.
Speaker 1: I I love her.
Speaker 4: She's incredible.
Speaker 5: It's the fact that she's so tactfully like it's one
Speaker 5: thing if you're a bit and you're just hyper unaware
Speaker 5: of it, but she know that and it's immediately like, Okay,
Speaker 5: I won't be the most annoying possible thing to Cirial like.
Speaker 4: You're doing this so intentionally, it's so mean.
Speaker 5: But I mean, listen, I have a lot of issues
Speaker 5: with Dada, but her getting her man's ship in order
Speaker 5: when he is just literally collapsing on the bed.
Speaker 4: He threw himself like a Victorian woman off the.
Speaker 1: Cyril's got the vapors.
Speaker 6: I've got the vapis, you know.
Speaker 2: I think as well, something that I thought was really
Speaker 2: cool at the premiere, the actressho places Dandro was like, please, guys,
Speaker 2: just remember she's a fascist, right, But I think that
Speaker 2: what Tony does so brilliantly here is shows how, you know,
Speaker 2: normal people inverted commas like can get a job in
Speaker 2: like a really boring government job that ends up becoming
Speaker 2: a pipeline to true fascism. And he's showing here like, hey, yeah,
Speaker 2: maybe this person does have relationships, maybe they have their
Speaker 2: own version of a moral compass whatever that is, but
Speaker 2: they're still a fascist. Like this is the it's you know,
Speaker 2: we we you know, we had a name for people
Speaker 2: who voted for the Nazis, that voted because they cared
Speaker 2: about their job, or they cared about money or blah
Speaker 2: blah blah. And they said in Germany, Nazi it's fucking Nazis.
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter, You're still doing it, you know. So
Speaker 2: I think I think the Deirdre Edie Cyril stuff I've
Speaker 2: been I was surprised by how much I was into
Speaker 2: the Cyril storyline this season.
Speaker 5: Aaron dropped the letter from Windles in the Discord, which
Speaker 5: is pretty good, or he says, man if I'd an
Speaker 5: audience reaction to Dandre to be fascinating, like he is
Speaker 5: an unapologetic fascist from the first second we see her,
Speaker 5: and people, really we have a hard time processing that
Speaker 5: this pretty blond lady is exactly what she seems. I
Speaker 5: think Tony Giloa has done an amazing job playing off
Speaker 5: our expectations for what a fascist actually absolutely yes.
Speaker 2: And I also think by showing that a fascist can
Speaker 2: have a relationship and be in love, as fucked up
Speaker 2: as that relationship is, is another great reality check of like, yeah,
Speaker 2: somebody can feel these normal things, but they can still
Speaker 2: be enacting like horrific things on people around the world.
Speaker 1: I think part of the issue that we did, you know,
Speaker 1: we're bringing a real world term fascism into Star Wars, right,
Speaker 1: and part of the problem is that like, Okay, you
Speaker 1: say that someone's a fascist. It's true, they're a hard
Speaker 1: working government bureaucrat, okay, and you call them a fascist.
Speaker 1: That The problem that star Wars and Or is kind
Speaker 1: of like grappling in a metaw way, is like how
Speaker 1: do you match your words to action? Yes, because it's
Speaker 1: it's part of I think the problem big like capital
Speaker 1: letters quotes, is that we throw these terms around there
Speaker 1: technically correct, but because action never follows the seriousness of
Speaker 1: the term, everything loses meaning. And I think that's part
Speaker 1: of like what the what we're getting at with Deirdre.
Speaker 1: She's a girl boss, she's got ambition.
Speaker 2: She's doing a thing in a male centric landscape, and.
Speaker 1: She's succeeding, and she's she's like unafraid to be like
Speaker 1: ambitious and to be like I'm going for it, and
Speaker 1: those are all ideals that we like, and so it's
Speaker 1: hard to then match what she is to how we
Speaker 1: feel about what she's doing or even And I think
Speaker 1: part of it is that when you like to call
Speaker 1: someone a fascist or an imperial or whatever in this
Speaker 1: world is to say like it's almost like cross a
Speaker 1: threshold and say like now I have to stand in
Speaker 1: opposition to this person. When really we did. Like a
Speaker 1: lot of people are like parent and they don't want to.
Speaker 4: I don't want to.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna like engaging with that term means like I
Speaker 1: have to take a stand, and I don't want to
Speaker 1: take a stand. And I think a lot of like
Speaker 1: how people feel about Deirdre is muddled in that same way.
Speaker 1: And I think that's part of what makes it really interesting.
Speaker 1: She's got all these traits that that that we in
Speaker 1: real life in a more normal time with like in
Speaker 1: a more normal context with lawed, but she's doing it
Speaker 1: in service to like the worst project in the fucking galaxy.
Speaker 5: She's also like an empathetic character, like we get her
Speaker 5: backstory here, yeah with uh she was raised by the
Speaker 5: empire of an orphan who's raised by the empire, so
Speaker 5: like that shades in so much of who Deja is,
Speaker 5: Like you understand, like, oh, this like radical devotion is
Speaker 5: like a parent, Like this is all you know. There
Speaker 5: is nothing outside of this and the only way to
Speaker 5: prove yourself within this organization is to climb the ladder.
Speaker 5: And she's found something that nobody else has. It's not
Speaker 5: something she really needs to fight for other than to
Speaker 5: like try to get this little bit of information. If
Speaker 5: she can find her guy, her spy, then she's golden
Speaker 5: in the eyes of the only thing that really has
Speaker 5: value to her, or her shown value within herself. I
Speaker 5: think that is, you know, just from a character perspective,
Speaker 5: You're like, Wow, I love this character. I want to
Speaker 5: follow her all over it like what she doing. And
Speaker 5: I think maybe that's where a lot of people are
Speaker 5: getting tripped up. I'm not sure if everyone loves Deirdre
Speaker 5: the Fascist. I think people are interested, like, what is
Speaker 5: this woman gonna do next?
Speaker 4: She says, yah, yeah she is.
Speaker 2: I will say in the last season A season one,
Speaker 2: I was not particularly interested in several and I felt
Speaker 2: like Deirdre was just like an antagonist, right, like she's
Speaker 2: just hunting them down. But actually, this first three episodes
Speaker 2: I felt like they built them both out so well
Speaker 2: that now I am very invested in those characters and
Speaker 2: where they will go, because there is chaos coming to
Speaker 2: the galaxy, and these people are all living in the
Speaker 2: incoming chaos.
Speaker 1: Here's what's great about the serial Dear dear relationship. He's
Speaker 1: the boot liquor and she's the boots.
Speaker 6: Yes, yes, yes, yes, that's the truth.
Speaker 1: That's why it works. He is this idealistic like, oh
Speaker 1: the Empire. Wow, cool, we're hunts. I got to hunt spies.
Speaker 1: If you do your job well and you're lucky enough,
Speaker 1: you might get to hunt a spy too. And by
Speaker 1: the way, my girlfriend and by the way, my girlfriend
Speaker 1: hunts spies all the time. And yeah, and it's that
Speaker 1: dynamic that makes them just fascinating.
Speaker 2: Utterly fascinating to watch. I'm excited to see what happens.
Speaker 2: Let's talk Aaron producer.
Speaker 6: Aaron before we go, had a question and I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: To tell you the Saron, with your pure innocent heart,
Speaker 2: that you put this question in here. Aaron said, what
Speaker 2: happened with Cinta and take Cob Is she still working
Speaker 2: for Lutheran?
Speaker 6: Do we think mon can clear that.
Speaker 3: She's killing that mother budy assassin. She's coming killing that guy?
Speaker 5: Do send her to kill and Or? At the end
Speaker 5: of season one, Like that's her role, That's why she
Speaker 5: goes back to Ferris is to kill Andor.
Speaker 2: Which is so funny, like she's just a total badass
Speaker 2: and obviously she's gonna kill Tay. Like sorry, guys, loose lips,
Speaker 2: loose lips, sink ships, and in this case of even.
Speaker 1: This suggestion of loose lips, said Tay has only merely
Speaker 1: been suggested.
Speaker 4: Lips was flapping at the park. Guy, don't even worry
Speaker 4: about it.
Speaker 5: And then, well, you see who gives me the most money?
Speaker 5: So this is you're playing the game terribly and it's
Speaker 5: bothering me.
Speaker 6: Yes, Jason, plug your letterbox? Where can people follow you?
Speaker 6: I love the list you made.
Speaker 2: We're gonna link to it in the show notes. It's
Speaker 2: such a fucking good list. It was blowing my mind.
Speaker 2: We've talked a lot about classic cinema. We're going to
Speaker 2: try and keep bringing those references as the show continues,
Speaker 2: because we're sure that more of them will come. Tony
Speaker 2: is not He's a student of cinema clearly. So yeah, Jason,
Speaker 2: what is it? How do people follow it? What's on it?
Speaker 1: I am just good? You know? Go to search me
Speaker 1: on letterbox. I'm an ETW three r K on letterbox,
Speaker 1: or you can search my name. I made a list
Speaker 1: called Indoor Season two Syllabus or how to Resist a Vampire.
Speaker 1: It's got a variety of movies on there that you
Speaker 1: can check out. I'll give you some of them Casablanca, Roam,
Speaker 1: Open City, a Man Escape, a lot of French on here,
Speaker 1: which I think is apt and ending with rogue one
Speaker 1: of course, so check that out on Letterbox next week.
Speaker 1: On ext Revision Tuesday, we're heading back to Jackson Hole
Speaker 1: for the third episode of the Last of Us. Wednesday
Speaker 1: we'll have our recap of episodes four, five and six
Speaker 1: command Or season two, and then Thursday, we're deep diving
Speaker 1: into the misfit heroes of Marvel's upcoming Thunderbolts. That's it
Speaker 1: for this episode.
Speaker 6: Thanks for listening, Goodbye.
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