WEBVTT - Andor Season 2 (Episodes 1-3) Roundtable 0:00:00.400 --> 0:00:05.400 Warning, Today's episode contains spoilers for and Or season two 0:00:05.559 --> 0:00:10.080 episodes one, two, and three. Will be talking about them 0:00:10.119 --> 0:00:29.240 at length. Hello, my name is Jason Concepcion, been on 0:00:29.360 --> 0:00:31.920 Mersday Night and welcome back to x ray Vision of 0:00:31.920 --> 0:00:35.600 the podcast where we dive deep bit your VIVERI shows movies, comics, 0:00:35.640 --> 0:00:41.479 pop culture, bringing you three massive episodes a week every Tuesday, Wednesday, 0:00:41.520 --> 0:00:42.680 Thursday plus news. 0:00:43.520 --> 0:00:46.720 In today's episode, we are convening the Jedi Council to 0:00:46.760 --> 0:00:49.479 break down the excellent first three episodes of and Or 0:00:49.520 --> 0:00:51.879 season two. If you haven't listened to our recap, go 0:00:52.000 --> 0:00:54.880 back and get recast in to it, and then jump 0:00:54.880 --> 0:00:58.240 in and listen to us with our super producers Joel Naboo, 0:00:58.400 --> 0:01:00.000 who we are welcoming right now. 0:01:00.240 --> 0:01:04.560 Hello, Hello, Hey, Hey, how's it going. 0:01:05.040 --> 0:01:07.559 How you're feeling emotional? 0:01:08.520 --> 0:01:10.560 Yes, it is emotional. It's emotional. 0:01:12.000 --> 0:01:12.200 You know. 0:01:12.319 --> 0:01:18.160 Rosie and I have have opined at length your thoughts 0:01:18.400 --> 0:01:20.640 on the first three episodes of van Or. Joel, let's 0:01:20.640 --> 0:01:21.119 start with you. 0:01:21.880 --> 0:01:24.640 There's so much to say in these first three episodes 0:01:24.959 --> 0:01:27.560 for not a lot of events happening, I feel like 0:01:27.640 --> 0:01:29.800 a lot of information is gained, which is kind of 0:01:29.840 --> 0:01:31.760 what you want out of a pilot, And I think 0:01:31.800 --> 0:01:33.399 you can look at these first three episodes as a 0:01:33.400 --> 0:01:36.199 single pilot for this season. I know it's not launching 0:01:36.280 --> 0:01:38.040 the show, but it is setting us up for like 0:01:38.840 --> 0:01:41.759 a super specific time. Androy is such a weird experience 0:01:41.760 --> 0:01:44.600 because we know where it ends and we're getting a 0:01:44.720 --> 0:01:46.800 very clean lead up into this moment. 0:01:47.520 --> 0:01:50.080 And I was like between the. 0:01:50.000 --> 0:01:52.800 Wedding, like bigs if we're gonna have to talk about 0:01:52.800 --> 0:01:54.640 bixs because I'm concerned that she's just gonna be a 0:01:54.680 --> 0:01:56.440 punching bag for the season. And it makes me nervous 0:01:57.880 --> 0:02:00.400 the love we get between Ceial and Deda. You know, 0:02:00.400 --> 0:02:03.120 I think what really moves me is like it's Star 0:02:03.200 --> 0:02:05.400 Wars guys, like in a way that I'd not quite 0:02:05.440 --> 0:02:06.800 hear the first season. 0:02:06.560 --> 0:02:08.320 One carry Star Wars. 0:02:08.639 --> 0:02:11.880 We get like a comical moment with a pilot entering 0:02:11.919 --> 0:02:13.080 the scene, which is crazy. 0:02:13.080 --> 0:02:14.359 We're getting like. 0:02:14.400 --> 0:02:18.000 Stunts and spycrafts and Padme levels of costuming. 0:02:18.480 --> 0:02:22.600 The wedding dress, the Padme web inspired wedding dress stunning. 0:02:22.280 --> 0:02:24.440 And I just feel like Star Wars has grown up 0:02:24.480 --> 0:02:26.919 and I'm not sure if it's like I've grown up 0:02:27.120 --> 0:02:30.280 into original ideas of Star Wars. I didn't care about 0:02:30.320 --> 0:02:32.720 trade roots and shit when I was a kid, all 0:02:32.720 --> 0:02:35.120 that stuff, and wait, I said, bring out the lightsabers. 0:02:35.480 --> 0:02:38.799 Now I'm facing real life threats and I'm like, oh. 0:02:39.160 --> 0:02:41.160 It's a study book. It's a guy like, let me 0:02:41.280 --> 0:02:43.960 take notes. And I feel like we've stepped into a 0:02:44.080 --> 0:02:47.640 completely new era of Star Wars. And for you know, 0:02:47.720 --> 0:02:51.120 the team to have built both a BBC style great 0:02:51.120 --> 0:02:54.760 epic of season one and now'll match it with the 0:02:54.800 --> 0:02:56.000 epicness of Star Wars. 0:02:56.040 --> 0:02:57.359 The heart of Star Wars that. 0:02:57.440 --> 0:02:59.360 Like Kernel of Hope, which is what I really think 0:02:59.440 --> 0:03:02.359 resonates in Rogue one to combine it all here. I mean, 0:03:02.440 --> 0:03:04.880 I am blown away by these first three episodes. 0:03:05.480 --> 0:03:06.280 How about you a boom? 0:03:06.600 --> 0:03:09.600 I feel like Joelle covered it. I am having such 0:03:09.720 --> 0:03:12.240 a great time. Honestly, I haven't had this much fun 0:03:12.320 --> 0:03:15.080 since Anakin Skywalker said this is where the fun begins 0:03:15.120 --> 0:03:16.240 and a revenge of the sip. 0:03:17.600 --> 0:03:19.200 Like it is too early. 0:03:20.440 --> 0:03:22.079 They were only three episodes in, so it's like too 0:03:22.080 --> 0:03:24.680 early for me to make any bold claims like and 0:03:24.840 --> 0:03:26.079 Or is the best thing to ever come out of 0:03:26.080 --> 0:03:29.000 Star Wars. But I am already very tempted to say 0:03:29.040 --> 0:03:30.480 things like that I loved this. 0:03:30.639 --> 0:03:32.520 You wouldn't be the only person if we look at 0:03:32.520 --> 0:03:35.040 those come out. That's a very big. 0:03:35.000 --> 0:03:36.960 The reviews are glowing from folks who have seen the 0:03:36.960 --> 0:03:40.760 whole season. I loved these first three episodes. Everything was 0:03:40.920 --> 0:03:44.880 top notch writing, acting, cinematography, costume, set design, just like 0:03:44.920 --> 0:03:47.880 twelve out of ten across the board. Rosie, I believe 0:03:47.880 --> 0:03:50.000 you said in the recap that the money is on 0:03:50.040 --> 0:03:50.880 the screen. 0:03:50.600 --> 0:03:52.360 And boy, isn't you know? 0:03:52.520 --> 0:03:56.680 Like, yeah, it is an absolutely gorgeous show top to bottom. 0:03:57.600 --> 0:03:59.640 And I think, to Joel's point, like I'm in a 0:03:59.640 --> 0:04:02.480 different place in life. I too, only cared about the 0:04:02.560 --> 0:04:06.520 lightsabers when I was just rewatching the original films as 0:04:06.560 --> 0:04:10.640 a kid. But now that I'm more grown up, I 0:04:10.680 --> 0:04:12.720 want my Star Wars to be more grown up too, 0:04:12.800 --> 0:04:15.880 And this show offers me like a level of gravitas 0:04:15.920 --> 0:04:19.960 that I do nowadays find myself craving from other Star 0:04:20.000 --> 0:04:23.000 Wars stories, and those Star Wars stories often fall short 0:04:23.000 --> 0:04:27.560 for me, and that regard. 0:04:26.640 --> 0:04:28.840 This one is amazing. Just like a quick thing. 0:04:28.880 --> 0:04:31.599 I want to call out the very opening scene of 0:04:31.600 --> 0:04:34.320 episode one where Cassine and that young real worker. We're 0:04:34.360 --> 0:04:39.720 talking just some beautiful writing and dialogue. There some beautiful 0:04:39.760 --> 0:04:43.040 themes around and relevant themes as I'm sure we will 0:04:43.040 --> 0:04:45.320 get into today about oppression and rebellion. 0:04:46.040 --> 0:04:48.640 Are immigrant workers fighting? 0:04:49.760 --> 0:04:49.960 You know? 0:04:50.120 --> 0:04:52.200 Like it's prescient in that way when you consider this 0:04:52.320 --> 0:04:55.279 show has been in production for many, many years. 0:04:55.960 --> 0:04:56.640 So I'm loving it. 0:04:56.800 --> 0:04:58.680 I'm having an absolute last I can't wait to get 0:04:58.680 --> 0:05:00.960 into the rest of the season, and I'm sure I 0:05:01.760 --> 0:05:03.400 too will be calling this the best thing to come 0:05:03.440 --> 0:05:04.880 out of Star Wars once we're done. 0:05:06.040 --> 0:05:10.040 Okay, so before we get into the nitegrity of the episode, 0:05:10.680 --> 0:05:13.359 let's talk about what the reception is gonna be. 0:05:13.880 --> 0:05:17.040 Jason, do you think season two is gonna pull in 0:05:17.160 --> 0:05:18.040 me more viewers? 0:05:18.080 --> 0:05:20.800 Do you think it's gonna be that big kind of 0:05:21.279 --> 0:05:24.279 impact show that Disney has been spending the money on 0:05:24.360 --> 0:05:26.960 and been marketing it on, and has clearly wants it 0:05:26.960 --> 0:05:27.200 to be. 0:05:27.880 --> 0:05:32.480 I think that. No, I don't think so. I think 0:05:32.520 --> 0:05:38.520 that there will there might be a statistically unimportant rise 0:05:38.560 --> 0:05:42.520 in viewership. I think that could happen because of the 0:05:43.440 --> 0:05:48.000 at least sitting here Wednesday morning, the almost overwhelming critical 0:05:48.120 --> 0:05:50.839 claim that is like very loud and very strong from 0:05:50.880 --> 0:05:53.159 everybody who's seen it as saying, this is great, this 0:05:53.279 --> 0:05:55.839 is great, this is great, this is trenchant, this is 0:05:55.839 --> 0:05:59.040 the Star Wars for our time. I was blown away, 0:05:59.440 --> 0:06:01.799 et cetera, et cetera. I think you see a bump. 0:06:02.800 --> 0:06:08.279 Do I think it's a hit? Sadly I suspect not, 0:06:08.800 --> 0:06:11.080 because you know, I think they're structural problems. And then 0:06:11.240 --> 0:06:14.200 you know, three episodes a lot to get people to 0:06:14.279 --> 0:06:15.960 watch in a week, you know, of one show. I 0:06:15.960 --> 0:06:20.159 think that's a that's a big ask. And listen, we're 0:06:20.240 --> 0:06:22.560 all freaks. 0:06:22.839 --> 0:06:27.000 Stars, right, I can't deny it. 0:06:27.800 --> 0:06:30.560 So if you're a Star Wars freak, the hook here 0:06:30.680 --> 0:06:36.159 is it's Star Wars, and the people who have seen 0:06:36.200 --> 0:06:38.400 it are telling you it's potentially the best Star Wars 0:06:38.400 --> 0:06:40.680 that they've ever seen, most adult, etcetera. 0:06:40.680 --> 0:06:42.680 I mean, it's now the highest rated Star Wars project 0:06:42.960 --> 0:06:43.360 all time. 0:06:43.880 --> 0:06:48.800 I think if you are a more general fan of 0:06:48.880 --> 0:06:50.960 Star Wars, or the kind of fan maybe that we 0:06:50.960 --> 0:06:55.279 were when we were younger, I think you're thinking, where's 0:06:55.279 --> 0:06:58.960 the hook, where's the lightsabers? You know, it's the same thing, 0:06:59.279 --> 0:07:01.400 kind of is the Jedi, the same thing that kind 0:07:01.440 --> 0:07:05.000 of kept people from engaging with and or or season one. 0:07:05.400 --> 0:07:09.480 I think those problems are still I hesitate to call 0:07:09.480 --> 0:07:11.120 them problems. I think they're still there. I think those 0:07:11.160 --> 0:07:12.280 obstacles are still there. 0:07:12.680 --> 0:07:16.560 Yeah, obstacles for the IP to overcome are rather large, 0:07:16.640 --> 0:07:19.320 just because of what's been built in before. I do 0:07:19.400 --> 0:07:24.160 think that the three, if you haven't watched yet, what 0:07:24.280 --> 0:07:26.600 are you doing here? But if you are and you 0:07:26.600 --> 0:07:28.360 haven't seen it yet, I would encourage you to find 0:07:28.400 --> 0:07:30.720 a time when you can watch all three time together. 0:07:31.720 --> 0:07:35.400 I think yeah, I think they hit more. At least 0:07:35.400 --> 0:07:38.000 this first batch certainly did. As like a movie like 0:07:38.080 --> 0:07:40.080 it feels like you get the whole arc. You can 0:07:40.280 --> 0:07:42.800 stop and pause and watch them as individual episodes. It 0:07:42.880 --> 0:07:46.400 still feels structured like television and that you have a 0:07:46.440 --> 0:07:49.480 single theme uniting each episode or whatever. But when you 0:07:49.480 --> 0:07:52.080 watch them at a movie and you get the time 0:07:52.120 --> 0:07:54.560 and pacing of these three days and the importance and 0:07:54.600 --> 0:07:57.840 the impact, I think that's when you get the full experience. 0:07:57.840 --> 0:07:59.640 Make it a Friday night thing. I think what we'll 0:07:59.640 --> 0:08:02.320 see is you don't have to be caught. This won't 0:08:02.320 --> 0:08:03.520 be appointment television. 0:08:03.920 --> 0:08:04.720 And maybe that. 0:08:04.600 --> 0:08:07.320 Will because that's how we agrees it is how many 0:08:07.320 --> 0:08:08.200 did you get in one night? 0:08:09.160 --> 0:08:10.280 That'll be a little bit different. 0:08:10.360 --> 0:08:13.200 But if you can watch by Friday, you can go 0:08:13.280 --> 0:08:15.160 back and listen to all the conversations you're interested in. 0:08:15.280 --> 0:08:18.160 I think that works perfectly well, and I do hope 0:08:18.160 --> 0:08:21.679 we see a huge spike in viewership because gosh, I mean. 0:08:22.040 --> 0:08:26.760 It's so good that people see at the. 0:08:26.680 --> 0:08:28.440 Top of excellent television we're getting right now. 0:08:28.480 --> 0:08:28.680 Yeah. 0:08:28.720 --> 0:08:31.280 I also think folks like you can also speed run 0:08:31.320 --> 0:08:34.560 it like it's really like it's an hour show, but 0:08:34.840 --> 0:08:41.040 there's really only forty ish minutes of actual show, its recaps, 0:08:41.040 --> 0:08:45.440 and skip the recap, skip the title, skip the there's 0:08:45.559 --> 0:08:48.480 never a stinger. As soon as you see the credits, 0:08:48.520 --> 0:08:52.200 move on, and you can cut your viewing. You can 0:08:52.200 --> 0:08:54.120 cut your viewing time down by a lot. 0:08:54.200 --> 0:08:57.960 Yeah, watch it at one point five speed, honestly, I mean. 0:08:58.000 --> 0:09:00.600 Honestly, Look, the truth is, oh my god, I'm actually 0:09:00.679 --> 0:09:03.440 not I'm not someone who's ever done that. I don't 0:09:03.440 --> 0:09:05.520 listen to stuff at that speed. It doesn't work for me. 0:09:05.640 --> 0:09:07.600 I don't watch stuff at that speed. But you know what, 0:09:08.040 --> 0:09:11.200 if that is how people want to choose to interact 0:09:11.200 --> 0:09:13.040 with art, then who am I to say no? Like, 0:09:13.080 --> 0:09:14.920 if that, if it works for you better that way, 0:09:15.000 --> 0:09:16.720 go for it, and then maybe you'll want to check 0:09:16.720 --> 0:09:19.200 it out at the normal speed that it was made 0:09:19.240 --> 0:09:20.920 to be watched that afterwards, you know. 0:09:21.320 --> 0:09:22.360 But I would also. 0:09:22.200 --> 0:09:24.199 Say I when I went to the premiere van Or, 0:09:24.280 --> 0:09:26.400 which was more of like a teaser of the show, 0:09:26.720 --> 0:09:31.000 Tony Gilroy did basically say they feel like they made 0:09:31.920 --> 0:09:34.920 over this season of two, you know, two seasons of TV. 0:09:35.120 --> 0:09:37.839 They basically felt like they made eight movies. And they 0:09:37.880 --> 0:09:40.000 do feel like it's that way. It's in these arcs, 0:09:40.280 --> 0:09:42.400 and I think if you can, you know, on a 0:09:42.440 --> 0:09:44.800 Saturday afternoon, just put it on and give it a try. 0:09:44.840 --> 0:09:49.160 And I think people who weren't necessarily huge fans of 0:09:49.200 --> 0:09:51.840 the first season or dropped off after the first three episodes, 0:09:51.840 --> 0:09:54.680 which were very slow burn, I think this opens in 0:09:54.720 --> 0:09:57.000 a way that is made to hook any kind of 0:09:57.080 --> 0:10:00.000 Star Wars viewer, just the first open it. 0:10:00.240 --> 0:10:03.199 I don't mean the whole preseason three episodes, but I the. 0:10:03.240 --> 0:10:06.319 Opening sequence, which we'll talk about more in a little bit. 0:10:06.880 --> 0:10:09.600 I think that was designed to hook anyone who likes 0:10:09.640 --> 0:10:12.600 Star Wars. Now, whether you'll commit after that when it 0:10:12.640 --> 0:10:14.880 gets a little bit more andorish and becomes a bit 0:10:14.880 --> 0:10:17.720 more about interpersonal conflict and all the stuff we touched 0:10:17.720 --> 0:10:20.600 on in the in the recaps. Who knows, but I 0:10:20.640 --> 0:10:22.400 do think that most people, if you put on that 0:10:22.400 --> 0:10:24.720 first episode and you have that like ten to fifteen 0:10:24.720 --> 0:10:28.720 minute cold open, I think that will hook people who 0:10:28.720 --> 0:10:34.360 aren't necessarily into the more kind of political trade war 0:10:34.559 --> 0:10:37.199 side of Star Wars that George Lucas. 0:10:36.880 --> 0:10:38.800 Did really introduce in the prequels. 0:10:38.960 --> 0:10:41.880 Aboo, how did you feel about the first three episodes 0:10:41.920 --> 0:10:45.040 and do you feel like it's gonna get that spike 0:10:45.080 --> 0:10:47.640 in viewers? Is it gonna make more people watch and Or. 0:10:48.120 --> 0:10:50.520 I don't think we're gonna see a huge spike. 0:10:50.760 --> 0:10:57.520 I probably fall somewhere between Jason and Joelle, like I. 0:10:55.760 --> 0:10:57.079 Think it remains to be seen. 0:10:57.440 --> 0:10:59.040 I think the show is getting a lot of word 0:10:59.040 --> 0:11:02.000 of mouth support that I they don't necessarily remember and 0:11:02.120 --> 0:11:06.160 Or season one getting in the same sense. And I 0:11:06.200 --> 0:11:08.600 do feel to your point, Rosie, that these first three 0:11:08.640 --> 0:11:14.000 episodes are a are a stronger hook for a wider 0:11:14.040 --> 0:11:15.359 swath of Star Wars. 0:11:15.160 --> 0:11:18.719 Fan I think the first three episodes of and Or 0:11:19.080 --> 0:11:21.280 season one, and me and Jason talked about this when 0:11:21.280 --> 0:11:22.200 we covered it on the pod. 0:11:22.280 --> 0:11:24.840 It was kind of boring, had a little it kind 0:11:24.840 --> 0:11:25.360 of had some. 0:11:25.800 --> 0:11:28.600 Flaws that hinted that maybe they didn't have the political 0:11:28.679 --> 0:11:31.079 juice to tell the stories they were telling. But by 0:11:31.120 --> 0:11:33.440 the time you get to that second arc, you suddenly realized, 0:11:33.480 --> 0:11:34.280 oh no, this is something. 0:11:34.360 --> 0:11:37.000 Yeah, the second arc is incredible, but you do have 0:11:37.080 --> 0:11:39.199 to get through an hour and a half of television 0:11:39.200 --> 0:11:40.800 to get there, and I'm sure a lot of folks 0:11:40.880 --> 0:11:44.160 dropped off at that point. I think this first hour 0:11:44.200 --> 0:11:48.200 and a half maybe has enough hooks to grab more people. 0:11:49.160 --> 0:11:51.720 And I think it's quite interesting that they're dropping the 0:11:51.760 --> 0:11:55.520 show three episodes at a time. And I wonder if 0:11:56.559 --> 0:12:00.559 this sort of Tony Gilroy saying we're making movies, releasing 0:12:00.559 --> 0:12:04.319 eight movies one chunk at a time is a strategy 0:12:04.360 --> 0:12:07.760 that other streamers might consider, because I think like a 0:12:07.800 --> 0:12:10.760 lot of streamers have been have felt like bound by 0:12:10.840 --> 0:12:13.400 old school TV rules like we either released once a week, 0:12:13.760 --> 0:12:16.760 or we're Netflix and we binge drop and we haven't 0:12:16.800 --> 0:12:20.600 seen experimental releases in this way, and and or might 0:12:20.640 --> 0:12:23.880 be it could scenario that opens the floodgates for that. 0:12:24.440 --> 0:12:27.200 It could they just have the unfortunate result of having 0:12:27.200 --> 0:12:29.960 to follow Tony Gilroy, who's created such a great struggle 0:12:30.720 --> 0:12:32.800 because hand Or has such like a unique position as 0:12:32.880 --> 0:12:36.040 like you know the end of the story like this 0:12:36.120 --> 0:12:38.520 works for a lot of really specific reasons that I 0:12:38.559 --> 0:12:40.080 don't know if other series or you have the jews 0:12:40.120 --> 0:12:40.679 to pull off. 0:12:40.840 --> 0:12:42.240 We saw a little bit of our cane. It kind 0:12:42.240 --> 0:12:43.960 of worked, though though it definitely could. 0:12:44.120 --> 0:12:45.800 I was gonna say it's more of an anime or 0:12:45.840 --> 0:12:46.640 animation thing. 0:12:46.679 --> 0:12:50.000 I will say specifically, what is interesting about this if 0:12:50.000 --> 0:12:51.719 you have yet to watch, or you watch the first 0:12:51.760 --> 0:12:55.680 three episodes and you didn't realize this is every three 0:12:55.760 --> 0:13:00.440 episode chunk is three days over a different year, and 0:13:00.480 --> 0:13:04.160 then you jump a year ahead to the next chunk 0:13:04.160 --> 0:13:07.240 of episodes, which I think is really unique and also 0:13:07.400 --> 0:13:10.840 is a nice framework that was actually made for the show. 0:13:10.880 --> 0:13:12.280 The story this show is telling. 0:13:12.440 --> 0:13:14.800 Was trying to work out how do we do this because, 0:13:14.840 --> 0:13:18.520 as Tony has spoken about, this was originally meant to 0:13:18.520 --> 0:13:21.520 be five seasons, and then after season one, they were like, 0:13:21.559 --> 0:13:24.000 wait a minute, like can we really do that? Or 0:13:24.040 --> 0:13:26.120 is there a way we can tell every season that 0:13:26.120 --> 0:13:30.080 we wanted to tell in these chunks that could be 0:13:30.160 --> 0:13:33.600 in one season and that's what season two is, just to. 0:13:35.000 --> 0:13:37.720 Lightly push back. I do think that though the difference 0:13:37.760 --> 0:13:42.360 between Arcane dropping three at a time and and or 0:13:42.440 --> 0:13:45.160 dropping three at a time is Arcane was dropping. Netflix 0:13:45.200 --> 0:13:46.920 was dropping Arcane three at a time to try and 0:13:47.040 --> 0:13:52.160 prolong the buzz, the massive buzz, and they were already 0:13:52.200 --> 0:13:57.000 so ideologically opposed to anything other than a binge drop 0:13:57.040 --> 0:13:58.960 that it's notable when they do things like this with 0:13:59.040 --> 0:14:02.720 Stranger Things Greatful, you know, love is blind, and with 0:14:03.600 --> 0:14:07.280 Arcane it's really an attempt to try and capture the 0:14:07.320 --> 0:14:10.920 news cycle for a longer period of time, whereas with 0:14:11.000 --> 0:14:13.560 and Or you get the sense that it's most that 0:14:13.679 --> 0:14:15.679 on the one hand, it's structural because the story is 0:14:15.679 --> 0:14:19.200 structured that way, but it's also like let's get in out, 0:14:19.280 --> 0:14:22.600 let's get in and out. Nobody's well yeah, And also that. 0:14:22.800 --> 0:14:24.840 Because I was you make it no, no, no. But 0:14:24.880 --> 0:14:26.800 I think Jason makes a good point because. 0:14:26.520 --> 0:14:29.960 It does sit in that interesting space between a weekly 0:14:30.000 --> 0:14:33.240 drop like Agatha all Along or the Acolyte, and then 0:14:33.640 --> 0:14:35.920 something where they'll drop it all at once, which is 0:14:35.920 --> 0:14:37.600 something they said they were never going to do, which 0:14:37.600 --> 0:14:39.960 they did with American born Chinese because they didn't. 0:14:39.800 --> 0:14:42.320 Know how to market it. They wasted the opportunity. 0:14:42.520 --> 0:14:45.240 And I think that this does sit in that interesting space, 0:14:45.280 --> 0:14:48.840 and we are probably repeating conversations that Execs has Because 0:14:48.840 --> 0:14:52.680 this also answers the Emmy contention, it can still be 0:14:52.680 --> 0:14:53.640 in Emy contention. 0:14:54.240 --> 0:14:55.760 So I think there's many. 0:14:55.440 --> 0:14:59.840 Different reasons, and I think for me, I do feel 0:14:59.840 --> 0:15:04.560 like this will have a significantly wider impact. I don't know, 0:15:05.320 --> 0:15:07.600 you know, we can't really trust if Disney says, hey, 0:15:07.640 --> 0:15:10.000 so many more people watch this, like those numbers are 0:15:10.000 --> 0:15:13.960 not necessarily true or like accurate to how much how 0:15:14.000 --> 0:15:16.240 many people watch more than two minutes, you know, same 0:15:16.280 --> 0:15:18.480 with any streamer, But I would be I wouldn't be 0:15:18.520 --> 0:15:23.080 surprised if by the finale, if the word of mouth continues, 0:15:23.120 --> 0:15:26.640 it's only three weeks away, that final chunk of episodes. 0:15:26.680 --> 0:15:28.280 I could see it showing up on Nielsen. 0:15:28.880 --> 0:15:31.440 If the conversation is hot, if people want to write 0:15:31.440 --> 0:15:34.120 cool articles about it, if people are doing podcasts about 0:15:34.120 --> 0:15:36.120 it like we are, I think the word of mouth 0:15:36.480 --> 0:15:39.920 could make it where by the final episode, we're seeing, Okay, 0:15:39.960 --> 0:15:41.640 this is the kind of show that people want to 0:15:41.640 --> 0:15:45.560 watch the into I think I'm crossing my fingers, but 0:15:45.800 --> 0:15:50.120 I will I will say obviously, as Jason pointed out, 0:15:50.160 --> 0:15:53.160 we're all freaks, little Star Wars freaky guys, just little 0:15:53.200 --> 0:15:56.280 dudes in a fucking canteena watching Star Wars, right. 0:15:56.640 --> 0:15:59.880 But in the discord, you know, our. 0:15:59.480 --> 0:16:03.400 Very thoughtful for one of our very thoughtful Discord leaders, Mara, 0:16:03.480 --> 0:16:06.280 who always runs our watch parties, she made sure to 0:16:06.360 --> 0:16:09.760 make a different Discord channel for every episode, and there 0:16:09.840 --> 0:16:11.680 was a lot of people in our discord, along with 0:16:11.760 --> 0:16:14.480 super producer Aaron, who were basically like, I cannot watch 0:16:14.520 --> 0:16:18.600 three in a row like that, and that's people. I 0:16:18.640 --> 0:16:21.520 also wonder if the word of mouth buzz will be 0:16:21.560 --> 0:16:23.520 impacted by the fact that a lot of people are 0:16:23.560 --> 0:16:26.320 not going to read an article about the first three episodes. 0:16:26.320 --> 0:16:28.200 They're going to want to read a little bit about 0:16:28.240 --> 0:16:30.480 the first one and then when they watched the second one. 0:16:30.600 --> 0:16:32.480 So I'm interested to see how the word of mouth 0:16:32.520 --> 0:16:35.920 buzz kind of continues, because again, this is a unique 0:16:36.000 --> 0:16:38.760 situation and a unique release schedule. 0:16:39.160 --> 0:16:42.320 Yeah, I think word of mouth is interesting. People don't 0:16:42.320 --> 0:16:48.400 read anymore, which is and and try to keep to 0:16:48.440 --> 0:16:51.040 write about this are going to be very very pro right. 0:16:51.120 --> 0:16:54.160 But I also like nobody's people aren't reading them. And 0:16:54.200 --> 0:17:00.000 then the the more kind of active social media slash 0:17:00.160 --> 0:17:06.960 YouTube influencer based narrative spheres are you know, kind of 0:17:07.960 --> 0:17:12.080 very toxic. I'm I am interested to see how those spaces, 0:17:12.160 --> 0:17:14.760 how the like Star Wars has gone to woke spaces, 0:17:14.920 --> 0:17:17.200 react to this, because. 0:17:16.920 --> 0:17:20.199 There's there's a lot of like toxic racist bait in 0:17:20.240 --> 0:17:22.560 this show for people like that to latch onto. 0:17:22.920 --> 0:17:25.200 Yeah, let's take a quick break and then we'll be 0:17:25.280 --> 0:17:46.200 right back. And we're back, folks, let's continue to talk 0:17:46.240 --> 0:17:50.160 about these three episodes and or season two episodes one, two, 0:17:50.240 --> 0:17:57.520 and three. From these episodes, is there a scene, Is 0:17:57.560 --> 0:18:00.960 there a moment that stood out to y'all as either 0:18:01.000 --> 0:18:04.040 a wow moment or just something that hit you in 0:18:04.119 --> 0:18:07.359 an emotional place unexpectedly? Joelle, I want to start with you. 0:18:08.119 --> 0:18:10.560 It's it's all about the wedding. For me, we have 0:18:10.840 --> 0:18:12.320 royal weddings. Listen. 0:18:12.680 --> 0:18:16.640 I really feel like tons of understood what the people love, 0:18:16.720 --> 0:18:19.840 which is padme and fabulous dresses. And we got the 0:18:19.840 --> 0:18:21.920 next meet name, which is the man Mathma looking good 0:18:22.040 --> 0:18:24.840 in every single scene, all of like the wedding dresses. 0:18:24.960 --> 0:18:26.919 She looks good in the Senate. She looks fabulous at 0:18:26.960 --> 0:18:27.320 a wedding. 0:18:28.640 --> 0:18:31.959 The dress reveal, which I thought was so poignant and lovely. 0:18:32.520 --> 0:18:33.080 You have these. 0:18:34.680 --> 0:18:36.760 I love the way that Chang drill and braids. They 0:18:36.800 --> 0:18:39.920 kind of look like they look like Jedi braids. They 0:18:39.920 --> 0:18:43.240 look like Padawan braids. Like there's so much in the 0:18:43.359 --> 0:18:45.640 language of Star Wars that we can recognize from the web. 0:18:45.720 --> 0:18:47.479 I was just gonna say, there's so much coding of 0:18:47.520 --> 0:18:51.520 how young Leda is in this. The way she leads 0:18:51.560 --> 0:18:53.600 the girls to the dresses. They're all holding hands, sneaking 0:18:53.680 --> 0:18:57.840 down the hallway like they're eight. Like it's they're blindfolded too, 0:18:57.880 --> 0:19:00.560 Like it's so precious, and it's She's like, I'm getting 0:19:00.560 --> 0:19:03.080 married and you're like, girl, this is too much. But 0:19:03.440 --> 0:19:06.760 like throughout the ceremony, I loved everything. I love Parents speech, 0:19:06.800 --> 0:19:08.760 which actually I wanted to talk to you guys about 0:19:08.760 --> 0:19:12.960 while we're here. So I was watching Celebration and Tony 0:19:13.160 --> 0:19:16.320 was talking about how he was upset at people's response 0:19:16.359 --> 0:19:18.840 and reaction to Parent in season one. He was like, 0:19:19.040 --> 0:19:21.199 they don't understand this guy, and I think he's just 0:19:21.680 --> 0:19:24.240 out here lying and cheating and wild and like, but 0:19:24.280 --> 0:19:25.840 he's like a person I love to make up a 0:19:25.840 --> 0:19:29.000 person so Gunzech. He gives him this great speech, where 0:19:29.160 --> 0:19:31.040 so clear that parent has such love and affection for 0:19:31.080 --> 0:19:33.960 his daughter, but he's a heenist. He's like, you know 0:19:34.119 --> 0:19:36.119 what a party like, live life, guys, drink. 0:19:36.840 --> 0:19:37.560 This is what I was. 0:19:37.600 --> 0:19:41.440 About the Rebellion like, and I think that that's also 0:19:41.560 --> 0:19:43.920 that's it's a fine thing to have in the show. 0:19:43.960 --> 0:19:46.000 But also as well, I think it's like, sorry, Tony, 0:19:46.040 --> 0:19:47.320 like people are going to be pissed at that. 0:19:47.400 --> 0:19:50.320 Mom Mothama is like a queen, and we feel like 0:19:50.440 --> 0:19:52.240 we don't necessarily see. 0:19:52.119 --> 0:19:56.080 Him loving her in the way that I would feel 0:19:56.160 --> 0:19:59.119 like she is she deserves to be loved. Me and Jason, 0:19:59.119 --> 0:20:00.879 in case you didn't know, we've both got big more 0:20:00.920 --> 0:20:01.720 muffin macrushes. 0:20:01.840 --> 0:20:05.720 Who doesn't she is. She's amazing. 0:20:05.840 --> 0:20:10.280 She's like hers the strength and calm and like moral 0:20:10.400 --> 0:20:12.920 conviction and trying to navigate all of this is really beautiful. 0:20:13.440 --> 0:20:17.040 I liked this idea of It's to me, it's another 0:20:17.080 --> 0:20:20.520 way to explore like the average person in the Rebellion, 0:20:20.560 --> 0:20:23.520 which is what this show seems to like. Going back 0:20:23.560 --> 0:20:26.000 in season one into now like has been really excellent 0:20:26.000 --> 0:20:28.639 at it's like these are just the normal people of 0:20:28.680 --> 0:20:30.680 the rebellion and like this is what so parents not 0:20:30.720 --> 0:20:32.159 a party. He's not interested in the rebellion. But he's 0:20:32.160 --> 0:20:34.399 also not interested in the Senate. He's not interested really 0:20:35.200 --> 0:20:37.480 in his way, he's trying to throw good parties and 0:20:37.480 --> 0:20:38.400 make sure people feel good. 0:20:38.560 --> 0:20:42.800 I was gonna says the tilistic because some people's response 0:20:43.480 --> 0:20:45.679 is like, well, how can we get through this in 0:20:45.680 --> 0:20:47.840 a way where we just feel good? Like how can 0:20:47.920 --> 0:20:50.040 we know everything sucks? And if it comes to it, 0:20:50.080 --> 0:20:51.920 I'm sure I would do the right thing. But right 0:20:52.000 --> 0:20:55.480 now I'm really feeling like I'll just keep throwing these 0:20:55.520 --> 0:20:58.919 parties and like entertaining people and maybe there's some some dealing, 0:20:58.920 --> 0:21:01.720 wheeling and dealing going on, you know. I think the 0:21:01.760 --> 0:21:04.520 wedding is a really good call, Joel, I personally am 0:21:04.560 --> 0:21:06.560 going to say. I think for me the most like 0:21:06.640 --> 0:21:10.320 the money money scene where I was like, oh, okay, 0:21:10.320 --> 0:21:13.240 this movie is this show is so expensive. It's just 0:21:13.280 --> 0:21:18.080 the opening where you know and Or is trying to steal. 0:21:17.960 --> 0:21:19.800 What they call here like a it's a test. 0:21:19.880 --> 0:21:21.679 It's like a new version of a tie fighter, but 0:21:22.000 --> 0:21:24.840 it's an avenger, a tie fighter avenger which is like 0:21:25.119 --> 0:21:28.760 a big part of Legends Cannon but has never been 0:21:28.760 --> 0:21:32.680 seen like in canon on screen, so it can be faster. 0:21:33.040 --> 0:21:36.480 It was created by Admiral Thraun in the actual books. 0:21:36.960 --> 0:21:39.560 He had a hand in creating it. And something that 0:21:39.600 --> 0:21:45.480 I think is really unbelievable about that scene is often 0:21:45.520 --> 0:21:49.160 when we see people steal a ship in Star Wars, right, 0:21:50.240 --> 0:21:52.520 they are immediately able to do it. 0:21:52.560 --> 0:21:53.480 They get it. 0:21:53.560 --> 0:21:56.240 Like even Finn and Poem one of my favorite scenes 0:21:56.359 --> 0:21:59.600 ever of any Star Wars movie where they steal the 0:21:59.680 --> 0:22:02.199 ship and they run away and they bond and he 0:22:02.280 --> 0:22:04.760 gives Finn his name, and it's very gay because clearly 0:22:04.800 --> 0:22:06.200 they're in love. 0:22:06.240 --> 0:22:08.880 They're in love. It's love at first sight. But even 0:22:08.960 --> 0:22:12.040 that scene, like it goes relatively well for them, right. 0:22:12.240 --> 0:22:15.240 It's like there's moments like they're still attached to the 0:22:15.480 --> 0:22:18.120 you know, the charging cables or whatever, but the force 0:22:18.240 --> 0:22:19.840 is with them now, I tell you who the force 0:22:19.920 --> 0:22:23.240 is absolutely not within this situation Cassie and angel. I 0:22:24.240 --> 0:22:28.040 love how bad he is at doing this because it's 0:22:28.119 --> 0:22:31.800 so realistic to like how rebellions work, what revolution is. 0:22:32.000 --> 0:22:33.400 He gets into this ti fire that. 0:22:33.320 --> 0:22:35.639 He's supposed to be taking to say, hey, this is 0:22:35.680 --> 0:22:38.159 a test, this is what they're doing now, but he 0:22:38.200 --> 0:22:40.080 never considers that he won't know how to fly it. 0:22:40.119 --> 0:22:41.800 And then he gets in and he's like, Oh, what 0:22:41.840 --> 0:22:42.520 the fuck is this? 0:22:42.800 --> 0:22:45.760 And I loved the moment and I got to see 0:22:45.760 --> 0:22:47.399 this scene on the big screen, and I have to 0:22:47.440 --> 0:22:50.040 say it was it was yelling in my ear, my 0:22:50.200 --> 0:22:53.040 fucking head voice was like why didn't they release this 0:22:53.119 --> 0:22:54.919 in the movie there? Why didn't they release this in 0:22:54.960 --> 0:22:57.040 the movie there? And I do believe that in another 0:22:57.119 --> 0:22:59.879 exact choice is probably at some point they did probably 0:22:59.920 --> 0:23:02.240 a conversation about whether this could be like an event 0:23:02.400 --> 0:23:05.760 style movie release, which I think could have worked. But 0:23:06.160 --> 0:23:08.200 we have Disney Plus and they need they need people 0:23:08.240 --> 0:23:09.320 to join Disney Plus. 0:23:09.640 --> 0:23:11.359 And I haven't had a lot of success release. 0:23:11.680 --> 0:23:14.520 No, they haven't yet television, they haven't yet found it. 0:23:14.560 --> 0:23:17.080 But I just for me, I thought that scene obviously 0:23:17.119 --> 0:23:19.199 looked like I texted the group and was like, this 0:23:19.240 --> 0:23:22.240 show looks like a million bucks. Every single moment is 0:23:22.280 --> 0:23:25.320 on the screen and it hooks in your classic Star 0:23:25.400 --> 0:23:28.040 Wars viewer, because I think what is really interesting is 0:23:28.040 --> 0:23:31.360 they open the episode and they open this big opening 0:23:31.400 --> 0:23:36.359 scene with him in you know, a black Stormtrooper costume, Like, 0:23:36.440 --> 0:23:37.920 I don't know if it's a death Trooper. I don't 0:23:37.920 --> 0:23:39.240 know what version it is. I don't know if it's 0:23:39.240 --> 0:23:41.840 just like an early Stormtrooper or I guess it's a 0:23:41.840 --> 0:23:43.280 Stormtrooper pilot costume. 0:23:43.520 --> 0:23:46.640 But this motherfucker. Look, you're like, whoa, isn't this meant 0:23:46.680 --> 0:23:47.240 to be our hero? 0:23:47.800 --> 0:23:48.040 Shit? 0:23:48.240 --> 0:23:49.120 Like he's and if you. 0:23:49.080 --> 0:23:51.199 Don't know the first season very well, you might be 0:23:51.280 --> 0:23:53.800 completely shocked. And I think that's a first hook. And 0:23:53.840 --> 0:23:57.600 then you get this unbelievable crash where he's just smashing 0:23:57.720 --> 0:23:59.480 up the space and he has to get out through 0:23:59.520 --> 0:24:03.000 just brute force of shooting the cannon, and it really 0:24:03.040 --> 0:24:05.080 gave me that feeling of like, by the end of this, 0:24:05.200 --> 0:24:07.400 you know, fifty to twenty minutes, you're cheering for him. 0:24:07.400 --> 0:24:09.680 You're like, yeah, go for it, man, you can do it. 0:24:09.920 --> 0:24:11.840 Do I think they keep up that momentum for the 0:24:11.840 --> 0:24:15.320 whole three first three episodes, But I do think that 0:24:15.320 --> 0:24:19.040 that that is, to me, the reason I've been recommending 0:24:19.080 --> 0:24:20.960 this to everyone, because I'm like, even if you don't like, 0:24:21.520 --> 0:24:24.479 you know, your standard long form Star Wars storytelling, if 0:24:24.480 --> 0:24:26.320 you're more of a like let's just get to it. 0:24:26.359 --> 0:24:27.040 What's going on. 0:24:27.240 --> 0:24:29.960 The three episode release does that, and that scene at 0:24:30.000 --> 0:24:34.520 the beginning is such an unbelievable visual feast that I 0:24:34.560 --> 0:24:36.800 think that is the one that really got me excited. 0:24:37.200 --> 0:24:40.080 That ship is also such a great symbol of the 0:24:40.200 --> 0:24:42.760 power of the Empire to start, like, without giving you 0:24:42.840 --> 0:24:45.840 any additional information on the Empire, to be like, as 0:24:45.840 --> 0:24:48.320 difficult as it is for him to escape, it's not 0:24:48.359 --> 0:24:50.320 that hard for him to learn the ship exactly and 0:24:50.720 --> 0:24:54.440 take out so many people so fat You're like, this 0:24:54.480 --> 0:24:58.360 is one ship he is actively learning how to use, 0:24:58.440 --> 0:25:01.520 and he does so much destruction and still gets away 0:25:01.520 --> 0:25:04.280 and wins. They're fucked, Like, how are you supposed to 0:25:04.280 --> 0:25:07.200 go up against an army of this is incredible. I'd 0:25:07.200 --> 0:25:08.840 love that opening scene boot. 0:25:08.560 --> 0:25:11.240 And the seat reclines, which is the height of luxury. 0:25:11.359 --> 0:25:16.040 So you know, obviously I'm climbing right now in my 0:25:16.240 --> 0:25:19.679 Eternals gaming chag guys, And I know Marvel did not 0:25:19.760 --> 0:25:20.320 send it to me. 0:25:20.440 --> 0:25:21.600 I bought it on clearance. 0:25:22.119 --> 0:25:24.720 Marvel send me all your old Eve, your Eternals merch 0:25:24.760 --> 0:25:26.000 that I know nobody else is buying. 0:25:27.280 --> 0:25:27.800 Well for me. 0:25:27.960 --> 0:25:31.520 I think the wedding scene is the obvious response to 0:25:31.560 --> 0:25:34.119 this question for me, like which scene looks like a 0:25:34.160 --> 0:25:38.920 million bucks? Where's the price tag? But since Joel already 0:25:38.960 --> 0:25:41.399 picked that, I also want to throw in Mina raw. 0:25:42.280 --> 0:25:43.600 Akaka Big Wheat. 0:25:44.480 --> 0:25:47.320 I thought all the scenes on Big Wheat were really gorgeous, 0:25:47.520 --> 0:25:49.600 like the sprawling wheat fields that you can see all 0:25:49.600 --> 0:25:52.639 the way to the horizon. This like warm color palette, 0:25:53.000 --> 0:25:57.000 the like grungey but simple like homesteads and shops that 0:25:57.040 --> 0:26:01.080 they're all living in, the beautiful silos. It's all kind 0:26:01.080 --> 0:26:03.399 of like very cozy and idyllic, and y'all compared it 0:26:03.440 --> 0:26:06.280 to Stardo Valley, which I think is perfectly apt in 0:26:06.320 --> 0:26:10.080 your recap. It looks like a simple life on this planet, 0:26:10.200 --> 0:26:13.159 your work, you participate in your community. I can I 0:26:13.160 --> 0:26:17.640 imagine generations and farmers lived on Mina raw So even 0:26:17.680 --> 0:26:21.119 that sequence and that scene and those scenes on that 0:26:21.160 --> 0:26:22.920 planet were absolutely gorgeous. 0:26:23.440 --> 0:26:24.200 I totally agree. 0:26:24.200 --> 0:26:25.600 And you know this is going to maybe sound like 0:26:25.640 --> 0:26:28.960 a random comparison, But when I saw Sinners, which you 0:26:29.000 --> 0:26:32.480 should all go and see, it's amazing. When I saw 0:26:32.480 --> 0:26:35.560 it the imax, I immediately thought about and Or and 0:26:35.600 --> 0:26:38.120 the scenes on Big Weight, because there are these moments 0:26:38.160 --> 0:26:42.359 that Ryan Coogle are in a cinematographer just showcase just 0:26:43.400 --> 0:26:46.960 a landscape, but it tells you so much about the 0:26:47.119 --> 0:26:49.160 story and where we are and what. 0:26:49.080 --> 0:26:49.840 People are doing. 0:26:50.200 --> 0:26:52.720 And I feel like the way that Tony Gilroy shoots 0:26:52.960 --> 0:26:55.679 Big Wheat especially, is like, look at this, this is 0:26:55.680 --> 0:26:58.000 what it could be. This is how they have been living. 0:26:58.080 --> 0:27:01.240 It's peaceful, it's calm. There's a version of life where 0:27:01.280 --> 0:27:03.520 you can hide from the Empire and still do great stuff. 0:27:03.560 --> 0:27:06.520 And obviously, you know, we see that disrupted by the Empire. 0:27:06.680 --> 0:27:09.120 But I love that sequence and I thought they did 0:27:09.160 --> 0:27:11.720 such a good job of reintroducing us to characters like 0:27:11.800 --> 0:27:15.760 Will and Bigs and see it like showing us where 0:27:15.800 --> 0:27:17.480 they're at. You know, Jason, how about you? What was 0:27:17.520 --> 0:27:18.600 your big money scene? 0:27:19.400 --> 0:27:20.520 Gosh? 0:27:20.760 --> 0:27:23.080 I do I think the wedding as well. You know, 0:27:23.119 --> 0:27:24.960 I don't think we've ever seen anything like that in 0:27:25.000 --> 0:27:27.879 Star Wars. There's been a lot of music, obviously, like 0:27:27.960 --> 0:27:34.119 a dull back to you know, Episode four, Cantena scene, 0:27:35.160 --> 0:27:38.040 Return of the Jedi, the wonderful party in the in 0:27:38.119 --> 0:27:42.199 the gigantic redwood trees of end Or. There's always been 0:27:42.240 --> 0:27:45.840 these kind of party scenes, but there's never been one that, 0:27:48.240 --> 0:27:50.840 you know, like I think looked and felt like this. 0:27:50.840 --> 0:27:52.080 This is m. 0:27:54.000 --> 0:27:54.040 It. 0:27:54.840 --> 0:27:57.520 First of all, the music was legitimately great. The dance 0:27:58.320 --> 0:28:00.200 two there's like a there you know there, there's a 0:28:01.640 --> 0:28:04.240 there's a thing that Mon is doing here where she's 0:28:04.320 --> 0:28:07.520 under stress. She's having to deal with the outcome of 0:28:07.560 --> 0:28:13.400 this really tough decision she made the results of her 0:28:13.560 --> 0:28:16.879 money laundering in order to send funds to the rebellion, 0:28:17.440 --> 0:28:19.920 which ended up with her having to offer her daughter's 0:28:19.920 --> 0:28:22.840 hand in marriage, and this she doesn't want to do, 0:28:23.440 --> 0:28:29.359 and she's under tremendous stress. There's multiple undercover rebel spies 0:28:30.200 --> 0:28:36.199 and imperial figures at this wedding, Like that is you know, 0:28:36.480 --> 0:28:39.440 I think anybody that's ever been in a room with 0:28:40.800 --> 0:28:45.920 your current partner and an ex or your or your situation, 0:28:46.520 --> 0:28:48.920 or your current partner and someone you hooked up with, 0:28:49.080 --> 0:28:51.080 or two people that you hooked up with who don't 0:28:51.080 --> 0:28:55.840 know about each other, can only imagine the fraction of 0:28:55.880 --> 0:29:02.320 the stress that Mon is feeling with figures who if 0:29:02.360 --> 0:29:07.400 they talk, could result in like interrogation and death. For 0:29:08.280 --> 0:29:10.480 you know, a dozen people in this room, including like 0:29:10.520 --> 0:29:13.280 her love ones like this is incredibly stressful and for. 0:29:14.320 --> 0:29:15.880 Losing their absolute ship. 0:29:16.080 --> 0:29:19.640 Well, yeah he's not. He's in my enemy list for 0:29:19.680 --> 0:29:20.440 this show, Tay. 0:29:21.520 --> 0:29:25.080 Yeah, well let me tell you I have empathy for TA. 0:29:25.280 --> 0:29:28.080 But that's true. Later he helped, he really did help 0:29:28.160 --> 0:29:31.880 them out. And now he's like, hey, I'm the only 0:29:31.880 --> 0:29:35.000 one without a fucking raincoat in and it's storming. 0:29:35.480 --> 0:29:39.120 And that's what you think. Or you get into these situations, Tay, 0:29:39.440 --> 0:29:45.640 you can't contra just just i mean charged into this 0:29:45.720 --> 0:29:48.320 to help, which is lovely. Thank you, they needed your help, 0:29:48.520 --> 0:29:51.080 But then you didn't build any protection for yourself. 0:29:51.080 --> 0:29:55.680 The deal is over, I mean loudly, just to anyone, I. 0:29:55.600 --> 0:29:59.440 Will say that I have Again, I'm not saying that 0:29:59.760 --> 0:30:02.360 I I'm just saying that I have empathy for the game. 0:30:02.760 --> 0:30:05.040 He helped get it too. When your childhood crushed, man, 0:30:05.120 --> 0:30:07.120 Mathma shows up with a request, you just say. 0:30:08.080 --> 0:30:08.760 Do it help? 0:30:09.560 --> 0:30:13.240 And then you know surely she doesn't. She doesn't share 0:30:13.400 --> 0:30:16.360 all the details about what was happening. And then as 0:30:16.400 --> 0:30:19.479 he begins to kind of glean the danger he's in, 0:30:19.640 --> 0:30:23.040 he's sitting there going, well, wait a second, you've got 0:30:23.080 --> 0:30:23.920 your people. 0:30:23.640 --> 0:30:24.400 Backing you up. 0:30:25.280 --> 0:30:29.440 Davel Skolden is a fucking active warlord in the galaxy. 0:30:29.560 --> 0:30:33.280 He's fine, like I'm just take Homo like out here, 0:30:33.320 --> 0:30:35.240 like what's for me? So I get his wife. 0:30:35.360 --> 0:30:37.240 His wife left them, which I do think they kind 0:30:37.240 --> 0:30:40.440 of imply is because of this reconnection with. 0:30:40.520 --> 0:30:42.400 Ma We and Mon. 0:30:42.600 --> 0:30:45.680 Will listen, Mon feels terrible that she put it in. 0:30:45.840 --> 0:30:50.040 She's not just terrified that that Tay could blow everything 0:30:50.160 --> 0:30:54.520 up with this very hamhanded attempted extortion that he's very 0:30:54.800 --> 0:31:00.520 lightly unhurling, right, but also the fact that that she 0:31:00.680 --> 0:31:02.880 did put him in this but like she reached out 0:31:02.920 --> 0:31:06.400 to a friend and put them under the executioner's block. 0:31:06.480 --> 0:31:08.640 She did that, so she's feeling terrible about it. 0:31:08.760 --> 0:31:11.040 That was one when she didn't know, like she was 0:31:11.120 --> 0:31:13.360 not aware of what the rebellion was really about. She 0:31:13.400 --> 0:31:15.440 hadn't got a handstudy, and we start to see how 0:31:15.520 --> 0:31:17.080 kind of more coming from her. 0:31:17.000 --> 0:31:21.719 Hands have been getting progressively dirtier. So she's there's an 0:31:21.720 --> 0:31:26.960 aspect to this for a different this is a different conversation, 0:31:27.080 --> 0:31:29.800 but like there is an aspect of idealism and recklessness 0:31:29.800 --> 0:31:32.400 that you need to have to enter into this kind 0:31:32.400 --> 0:31:37.600 of ongoing concern. That said, the when Mom breaks into 0:31:37.640 --> 0:31:40.160 the dance and kind of is like, you know what, 0:31:40.240 --> 0:31:45.000 for the next fifteen minutes, I'm gonna I'm gonna dip 0:31:45.040 --> 0:31:48.720 into Parent's energy, the one who is like, you know, 0:31:49.040 --> 0:31:51.800 like from parent. I have empathy for him. 0:31:51.920 --> 0:31:52.400 I get it. 0:31:52.400 --> 0:31:57.920 It's like his perspective is his perspective is, Hey, we're rich. 0:31:59.000 --> 0:32:03.560 Why are we getting in with anything troubling? Why not shossle? 0:32:03.600 --> 0:32:05.320 But I understand why not? 0:32:05.560 --> 0:32:10.720 Just got to fuck up and enjoy our money. It's 0:32:10.800 --> 0:32:13.840 not my neck, it's not our neck, it's not our 0:32:13.920 --> 0:32:17.480 daughter's neck. Let's just sit back. It's terrible what's going on. 0:32:17.960 --> 0:32:20.920 But look at how much we have to lose Jason's 0:32:20.920 --> 0:32:23.280 classic for this season we go to add the classic 0:32:23.280 --> 0:32:26.400 disclaim obviously no relevance that to anything in real life. 0:32:27.440 --> 0:32:29.000 Anyway, all. 0:32:30.440 --> 0:32:33.000 I was, we're going to share the list later, but 0:32:33.040 --> 0:32:37.200 I made a list on letterbox of films that I 0:32:37.200 --> 0:32:39.560 think have influenced and or or at least in the 0:32:39.600 --> 0:32:42.040 same kind of vibe as and Or in season one 0:32:42.080 --> 0:32:43.960 and two. One of them is a doctor Renner called 0:32:44.280 --> 0:32:47.200 The Sorrow and the Pity about the French resistance in 0:32:47.240 --> 0:32:52.200 World War Two, and uh, you know, one of the things, 0:32:52.200 --> 0:32:56.320 one of the Resistors talks about how the people who 0:32:56.440 --> 0:32:58.920 it was, the blue collar people, the working people who 0:32:58.960 --> 0:33:00.800 would give you the shirt off back and help you 0:33:00.840 --> 0:33:02.880 and hide the guns and do all these things. It 0:33:02.920 --> 0:33:05.959 was the people who had something to lose that you 0:33:06.000 --> 0:33:10.320 had a lot of trouble getting to help you. And 0:33:10.360 --> 0:33:13.440 I think and that really resonated, like that's that's Peren. 0:33:13.640 --> 0:33:15.600 He has got too much to lose in his mind. 0:33:15.680 --> 0:33:16.120 And I get it. 0:33:16.160 --> 0:33:18.560 Yeah, I understand, and he's worked in his you know, 0:33:18.640 --> 0:33:21.280 it's like why put ourselves at risk? Well this actually 0:33:21.320 --> 0:33:24.440 sets up our next question perfectly, which is that? And 0:33:24.480 --> 0:33:25.960 we kind of touched on it because for me, I 0:33:26.000 --> 0:33:28.960 think Mon is that like mon'stance is definitely up there. 0:33:29.160 --> 0:33:31.239 But for you guys were like that, what was the 0:33:31.280 --> 0:33:34.400 moment that was like the biggest emotional gut punch? Like 0:33:34.560 --> 0:33:38.480 what was it that kept that kind of went Oh, like, 0:33:38.520 --> 0:33:40.600 you're watching it, you're into it, you're vibing on the 0:33:40.640 --> 0:33:43.200 tie fighters, you're looking at the wedding, But what was 0:33:43.200 --> 0:33:44.960 that moment where you were like, oh shit, I can 0:33:45.000 --> 0:33:47.720 remember like the power of this show A boo, who 0:33:47.760 --> 0:33:50.400 is your what's your biggest gut punch moment? The moment 0:33:50.400 --> 0:33:52.560 that kind of really hooked you in on that emotional 0:33:52.680 --> 0:33:55.040 level of what this show can do. Uh. 0:33:55.080 --> 0:33:57.240 I definitely had a couple of ones that I was 0:33:57.920 --> 0:34:00.560 tossing around in response to this question, but the one 0:34:00.600 --> 0:34:02.959 I'm gonna go with happens in episode three. It's that 0:34:04.240 --> 0:34:07.920 short scene where Mon is talking to her daughter before 0:34:07.960 --> 0:34:11.400 they enter the circle and do the like traditional official 0:34:11.560 --> 0:34:15.160 whatever wedding ceremony thing, and Man tells her daughter that 0:34:15.200 --> 0:34:17.440 she doesn't have to go through with this, that they 0:34:17.480 --> 0:34:20.359 can walk through that door and just tell everybody that 0:34:20.960 --> 0:34:28.000 wedding it's delayed, and h For some reason, I found 0:34:28.040 --> 0:34:31.800 that really really touching, like it speaks to Man's characters 0:34:31.840 --> 0:34:34.359 so much, because I feel for her like she is 0:34:35.520 --> 0:34:39.239 in this family the only rebel, the only person that 0:34:39.280 --> 0:34:41.319 can like look at the status quo, that can look 0:34:41.360 --> 0:34:45.040 at all this pomp and circumstance and chandrill and tradition 0:34:45.200 --> 0:34:48.440 around her and go, we don't fucking need this, Like there, 0:34:48.640 --> 0:34:51.680 we can do away with all of this in much 0:34:51.719 --> 0:34:53.920 the same way that like thematically, and she's like, we 0:34:53.960 --> 0:34:56.040 can do away with the empire, like we don't need 0:34:56.080 --> 0:35:00.400 this status quo and sticking to tradition and seeking to 0:35:00.440 --> 0:35:02.319 what we know, is it maybe always the right path? 0:35:03.360 --> 0:35:07.360 And in fact, she even tells Leita that if we 0:35:07.440 --> 0:35:09.359 go out there and call off this wedding right now, 0:35:09.840 --> 0:35:13.279 that it will quote be remembered as a great act 0:35:13.320 --> 0:35:17.080 of bravery, which could be said about many of many 0:35:17.120 --> 0:35:19.240 acts by many rebels over the course of Star. 0:35:19.080 --> 0:35:20.160 Wars against the Empire. 0:35:20.239 --> 0:35:23.960 Right. Yeah, And so I really resonated with Mon here, 0:35:24.000 --> 0:35:26.239 not necessarily as a mother speaking to her daughter, but 0:35:26.320 --> 0:35:30.400 as sort of the outcast of the family. Maybe everyone 0:35:30.440 --> 0:35:34.000 in your family thinks you're crazy for thinking differently, mm hmm. 0:35:34.000 --> 0:35:35.240 I felt that I think. 0:35:35.680 --> 0:35:37.479 That touches on are really good. 0:35:37.560 --> 0:35:39.360 My one I have like a I have a couple 0:35:39.360 --> 0:35:41.839 of split ones, but but one I think the one 0:35:41.840 --> 0:35:43.840 that really made me kind of like catch my breath 0:35:43.880 --> 0:35:47.200 was actually in the first episode, I believe, which is 0:35:47.200 --> 0:35:51.040 when Liita has the argument with her future husband he 0:35:51.040 --> 0:35:53.080 won't hold her hand, he's like a kid. She kind 0:35:53.120 --> 0:35:55.759 of has this romantic ideal of what it should be 0:35:55.840 --> 0:35:58.520 this wedding, obviously because she has seen it points her 0:35:58.560 --> 0:36:01.360 parents be in love and those kind of people. But 0:36:01.440 --> 0:36:04.400 the thing that got me is just when Mon says 0:36:04.480 --> 0:36:08.279 she's just like I'm sorry, and I think it was 0:36:08.320 --> 0:36:11.960 the nature of a sincere apology from an adult to 0:36:12.000 --> 0:36:13.280 a child, which we never. 0:36:13.120 --> 0:36:13.760 Get to see. 0:36:13.920 --> 0:36:17.160 But also in that moment, the apology is so weighted 0:36:17.360 --> 0:36:20.160 because she's actually not apologizing because they don't get along. 0:36:20.200 --> 0:36:24.080 She's apologizing because I fucking sold you into this marriage 0:36:24.520 --> 0:36:26.440 to help these other people who I would. 0:36:26.239 --> 0:36:29.240 Probably never meet. And there was so much in that moment, 0:36:29.320 --> 0:36:29.920 so much. 0:36:29.760 --> 0:36:33.000 In that I'm sorry that that really caught me and 0:36:33.000 --> 0:36:35.000 I thought about it a lot the rest of the episodes. 0:36:35.040 --> 0:36:35.840 Joelle, how about you. 0:36:36.560 --> 0:36:39.319 Yeah, So if the full circle moments for Mon are devastating, 0:36:39.480 --> 0:36:44.720 like her whole thing about her mother, you know, being drugs, 0:36:44.760 --> 0:36:46.920 she I just I just now understand, like why my 0:36:46.960 --> 0:36:50.400 mother's behaving'sway at my own wedding. The b is a 0:36:50.400 --> 0:36:52.920 brave act almost read to me as like a wish 0:36:52.920 --> 0:36:54.759 Mon Mathma had been brave enough to do on her 0:36:54.800 --> 0:36:58.640 wedding day, you know, like she's coming to these complete 0:36:59.120 --> 0:37:03.960 full conclusions about everything in her life, about her status 0:37:04.000 --> 0:37:06.080 as a rebel, like what it means, like what that 0:37:06.160 --> 0:37:08.919 actual sacrifice is going to have to look like on 0:37:09.440 --> 0:37:12.440 she has like these come toutment with her husband it's 0:37:12.440 --> 0:37:13.239 like not cheating on you? 0:37:13.239 --> 0:37:14.040 What are you talking about? 0:37:14.040 --> 0:37:15.160 Like that's crazy, like she is. 0:37:17.160 --> 0:37:19.480 She's like, I'm in a rebellion. That's the deception that 0:37:19.560 --> 0:37:21.560 you're sensing. It's not cheating. 0:37:22.320 --> 0:37:25.000 This trust you. 0:37:24.280 --> 0:37:27.440 Right, Like the the all of that is great. 0:37:27.560 --> 0:37:29.560 I put down something and then Aaron came at me 0:37:29.640 --> 0:37:31.960 so hard with a fact that I just could. I 0:37:32.080 --> 0:37:35.200 was like, I was like, since a barely acknowledged vel 0:37:35.280 --> 0:37:38.040 the tragedy. He was like, what about Bix And I 0:37:38.080 --> 0:37:40.760 was like, Nope, you're right, You're right, it's not about 0:37:41.120 --> 0:37:45.799 uh my queer love obsession was let's roll back. So 0:37:45.840 --> 0:37:50.200 I'm gonna say the the PTSD elements of Bicks' story 0:37:50.680 --> 0:37:55.240 are destroying me, like when the dream with the doctor 0:37:55.760 --> 0:37:57.719 and her, she's waking up in bed and he's like, 0:37:57.880 --> 0:38:03.640 that's so terrifying. And then to be without you know, 0:38:03.760 --> 0:38:08.680 and Or who you know. We talked about this before 0:38:08.680 --> 0:38:11.040 we started recording. There's not a kiss when and Or 0:38:11.160 --> 0:38:14.680 and Bixed reunite, but there is a love connection if you. 0:38:14.880 --> 0:38:17.440 There is a hug, there's a you're so happy to 0:38:17.480 --> 0:38:18.719 see that person hug. 0:38:18.840 --> 0:38:19.000 Yeah. 0:38:19.000 --> 0:38:21.000 I would leave at one point, Andor calls her his 0:38:21.239 --> 0:38:22.800 home and so I was just gonna say, like the 0:38:24.320 --> 0:38:27.720 everything Bix goes through and then to be attacked again 0:38:28.560 --> 0:38:32.920 by the Empire in a way that if you're a woman, 0:38:32.960 --> 0:38:34.920 is almost mundane, Like you know what I mean, Like 0:38:34.960 --> 0:38:36.240 she's a beautiful woman alone. 0:38:36.480 --> 0:38:41.080 Agree, I agree. I actually found to me the assault 0:38:41.280 --> 0:38:43.399 I could have done without it. I think that the 0:38:43.400 --> 0:38:46.160 thing that really scared me and that we talked about 0:38:46.160 --> 0:38:49.600 on the podcast is just the guy showing up at 0:38:49.600 --> 0:38:52.880 her door and being like, I'm aware you're alone, and 0:38:52.920 --> 0:38:56.240 there's nothing you can do about this. And if I 0:38:56.239 --> 0:38:58.680 if you don't agree to consensually like go to the 0:38:58.719 --> 0:39:00.840 bar with me, I can just whatever I want to. 0:39:00.920 --> 0:39:01.560 I can kill you. 0:39:01.719 --> 0:39:02.360 Yeah, yeah, the. 0:39:04.680 --> 0:39:07.560 I will force you to do this is so swift 0:39:07.640 --> 0:39:12.799 and genuinely terrifying. It again very mundane and does not 0:39:12.840 --> 0:39:15.359 a galaxy bar for away needs happen like it is. 0:39:15.440 --> 0:39:17.879 It is very in your face for her to get 0:39:17.880 --> 0:39:19.600 her lick back so soon I was, I was on 0:39:19.640 --> 0:39:21.160 the same fence with you, Rosie. 0:39:21.680 --> 0:39:23.840 Of just it's also with the additional subtext in that 0:39:23.960 --> 0:39:28.960 scene that he is pretty aware that she's probably undocumented 0:39:29.000 --> 0:39:31.960 as well. So even the additional subtext of like I 0:39:32.040 --> 0:39:34.840 have power over you because I know you have no incourse. 0:39:35.280 --> 0:39:37.000 You can't even do anything about this. 0:39:37.920 --> 0:39:40.319 Yeah, just not to interrupt, but just to say I 0:39:40.360 --> 0:39:42.319 think that one of the I think one of the 0:39:45.000 --> 0:39:48.600 what that made me think of that particular interaction, with 0:39:48.880 --> 0:39:54.040 multiple interactions with that Imperial squad leader, is it. You 0:39:54.080 --> 0:40:00.080 know what, at a certain point people joined to do that. 0:40:00.560 --> 0:40:04.080 You know they will join when you learn that you 0:40:04.080 --> 0:40:08.040 can join an organization that lets you have complete power 0:40:08.120 --> 0:40:12.680 over other people. Nobody's really looking at what's happening. You know, 0:40:12.760 --> 0:40:15.839 you just kind of like snatch people, disappear them. There's 0:40:15.840 --> 0:40:19.600 no logs, there's no nothing. The people who want to 0:40:19.640 --> 0:40:22.400 do that are drawn to that life. And that's what 0:40:22.560 --> 0:40:25.719 the Empire is now on a lot of levels, is 0:40:25.760 --> 0:40:27.000 people who want to do that. 0:40:27.640 --> 0:40:28.000 Yeah. 0:40:28.040 --> 0:40:29.759 And I think my big concern coming off because I 0:40:29.760 --> 0:40:33.360 had to say, like we've for sure seen through throughout 0:40:33.360 --> 0:40:37.680 the history of film and television sexual assault against women 0:40:37.760 --> 0:40:40.839 being used as plot devices for guys to get their 0:40:40.920 --> 0:40:44.840 lick back, to make us empathetic to women or whatever. 0:40:45.200 --> 0:40:48.719 I think Tony has a more deft pen. I do worry. 0:40:49.440 --> 0:40:51.480 I can't have BIGS being a punching bag all season 0:40:51.600 --> 0:40:52.160 like that. 0:40:52.080 --> 0:40:54.360 She has to ship back together. 0:40:54.960 --> 0:40:56.880 Yeah, like whatever that means for her, there has to 0:40:56.920 --> 0:40:59.560 be healing and and I'm moving on from this point 0:40:59.760 --> 0:41:03.919 to some degree because I just I my poor soul 0:41:03.960 --> 0:41:07.759 can't handle it. And it's also it's just to me, 0:41:07.840 --> 0:41:09.799 that's an important element of the rebellion. I'll put it 0:41:09.800 --> 0:41:12.040 that way. To me, like, if this is a constant 0:41:12.040 --> 0:41:14.200 thing that women go through, whether we're in a chaotic 0:41:14.239 --> 0:41:17.080 time or not, and we know that it is, then 0:41:17.680 --> 0:41:20.520 but we also know how many if you know, women 0:41:20.560 --> 0:41:22.520 come back, they fight back, they find the ground. We 0:41:22.600 --> 0:41:25.160 just we need that arc for her or it's going 0:41:25.200 --> 0:41:27.759 to be very disappointing. So that's a yeah, that all 0:41:27.760 --> 0:41:30.839 of that storyline was incredible, But thank god she got 0:41:30.840 --> 0:41:33.920 to kill that guy. How satisfying fucking cop guy who 0:41:33.960 --> 0:41:34.520 came in and. 0:41:34.520 --> 0:41:38.359 Was like wa talked too awful. Yeah, we should probably 0:41:38.360 --> 0:41:40.920 also very quickly just mention brass. So getting shot right 0:41:41.239 --> 0:41:42.239 to that man, RP. 0:41:42.520 --> 0:41:43.960 That man he did a lot. 0:41:44.080 --> 0:41:47.280 He should never have got shot, Jon, hero of Pheris. 0:41:47.400 --> 0:41:49.400 Was there any other moments we didn't touch on that 0:41:49.520 --> 0:41:51.040 kind of caught you in that way? And how'd you 0:41:51.080 --> 0:41:52.760 think in like this show still has the juice. 0:41:52.800 --> 0:41:55.800 Well, there's so many there's so many themes and things 0:41:55.800 --> 0:41:58.680 in the show and interactions and scenes that I just 0:41:58.719 --> 0:42:02.440 think about on a as a person who cares deeply 0:42:02.480 --> 0:42:04.920 about the world and reads a lot. And I think 0:42:04.960 --> 0:42:07.160 one of them, even though I shit on them through 0:42:07.320 --> 0:42:10.960 our recap, was the scene of the the infighting, the 0:42:11.000 --> 0:42:15.040 rebel infighting, because it's you know, it's something I think 0:42:15.080 --> 0:42:19.040 about so much as a person who's been to a 0:42:19.080 --> 0:42:25.799 lot of protests over my adult life and has experienced 0:42:25.880 --> 0:42:31.080 like these kind of debates where rather than fighting the 0:42:31.200 --> 0:42:36.040 enemy in front of you, you're fighting each other over 0:42:36.320 --> 0:42:39.719 small Now I don't want to say small over details 0:42:39.800 --> 0:42:43.040 that are unimportant. If you don't defeat the enemy. There 0:42:43.120 --> 0:42:48.960 is no conversation about how we can shape the world 0:42:49.960 --> 0:42:53.440 after the empire if you don't get to after the empire. 0:42:53.880 --> 0:43:01.080 And so that scene of these like young idealistic rebels 0:43:01.760 --> 0:43:04.760 scrapping with each other, shooting at each other, like arguing 0:43:04.800 --> 0:43:09.320 about bullshit, not knowing what they're doing, it really resonated. 0:43:09.320 --> 0:43:12.719 And I think part of the thing about resistance that 0:43:12.800 --> 0:43:16.160 I think is necessary, that this I think this show 0:43:16.280 --> 0:43:21.120 is saying is necessary, is like an amount of recklessness, 0:43:21.520 --> 0:43:26.680 because if you are a rational person like paren, then 0:43:26.719 --> 0:43:29.520 you say, I don't want to go to jail. I 0:43:29.520 --> 0:43:31.359 don't want to lose everything. I don't want to lose 0:43:31.360 --> 0:43:33.279 my job. I don't want to lose my friends. I 0:43:33.280 --> 0:43:34.760 don't want to die. I don't want to get executed. 0:43:34.760 --> 0:43:37.920 I don' want to get interrogated. Let's just like for 0:43:38.000 --> 0:43:41.279 allow the rules and okay, So what you need is 0:43:41.280 --> 0:43:44.239 people who go, I can't stand this so much that 0:43:44.320 --> 0:43:47.160 I have to do something. And those are the people 0:43:47.200 --> 0:43:49.239 who are you're gonna end up with, right like that 0:43:49.640 --> 0:43:53.279 are first going to enter your barracks as recruits or 0:43:53.840 --> 0:43:57.040 the people who like, I can't stand this anymore, I 0:43:57.160 --> 0:43:59.680 have to do something. And the fact is those people 0:43:59.719 --> 0:44:05.920 are are sometimes unstable, like sometimes they don't know what 0:44:05.920 --> 0:44:10.839 they're doing. They don't have a fully formed ideological worldview. 0:44:10.880 --> 0:44:14.719 They just know that they hate this and they want 0:44:14.719 --> 0:44:18.239 to fight. And what you get is this like infighting. 0:44:18.280 --> 0:44:18.440 Now. 0:44:18.440 --> 0:44:20.400 The issue is that I think about a lot in 0:44:20.440 --> 0:44:23.920 our real world is like, how come we need that level? 0:44:24.239 --> 0:44:28.719 Just uh, it seems to devour its own and then 0:44:28.760 --> 0:44:31.719 nobody ever rises from that to be like to be 0:44:31.800 --> 0:44:34.759 able to like actually lead a group, and so it's 0:44:34.800 --> 0:44:39.120 interesting to watch Cassie and I think kind of struggle 0:44:39.160 --> 0:44:42.320 with this, Like he could be the leader of these kids, 0:44:42.480 --> 0:44:45.120 right He's telling them, here, do this, it's rain and 0:44:45.200 --> 0:44:47.840 collect water all these things, but he also like doesn't 0:44:47.880 --> 0:44:50.080 want to. He's like, you guys are fucking annoying. You 0:44:50.080 --> 0:44:50.520 guys are. 0:44:50.400 --> 0:44:54.319 Idiots, exactly such a side that part. It'd be such 0:44:54.320 --> 0:44:56.319 a side quest for him that he just completely throw 0:44:56.360 --> 0:44:58.000 them off mission. And on top of that, there's no 0:44:58.040 --> 0:45:01.719 one here willing to capitulate. There's nobody here willing to 0:45:01.760 --> 0:45:04.480 bend the need to know you've got we're going in 0:45:04.480 --> 0:45:06.239 this direction, like we just have to go, and like 0:45:06.880 --> 0:45:10.160 that ability to coordinate and move together is such an 0:45:10.239 --> 0:45:14.200 essential element of any like group task. I mean, take 0:45:14.239 --> 0:45:16.160 rebellion and fighting and war out of it. Like there 0:45:16.200 --> 0:45:18.520 were never going to get past this point. They couldn't 0:45:18.560 --> 0:45:21.759 agree on who to follow. It was a hot mess. 0:45:22.120 --> 0:45:23.600 I also think, while we're on the topic of the 0:45:23.680 --> 0:45:28.640 Yavint scenes and the the young clueless rebels, on my 0:45:28.640 --> 0:45:31.520 first watch, I was kind of like, these guys are 0:45:31.560 --> 0:45:36.759 so annoying and these scenes are annoying me. But on 0:45:36.800 --> 0:45:40.480 a rewatch sort of considering the bigger themes of this story, 0:45:41.400 --> 0:45:43.960 I also wonder if these first three episodes and the 0:45:43.960 --> 0:45:46.399 purpose of that those scenes in particular is to show 0:45:46.480 --> 0:45:49.120 us like it is time for the rebellion to maybe 0:45:49.200 --> 0:45:53.279 come out of the shadows. Like having Luthan, somebody like 0:45:53.360 --> 0:45:58.760 Luthen operating different cells and total shadow secrecy will only 0:45:58.840 --> 0:46:02.560 be so effective in a rebellion in achieving the end goal. 0:46:03.120 --> 0:46:07.640 And someone like mon Mathma, some figurehead, bail organa, somebody 0:46:07.680 --> 0:46:10.440 needs to step up and come out of the shadows 0:46:10.640 --> 0:46:13.120 in order to finish the fight. This is not the 0:46:13.160 --> 0:46:15.480 way you'll finish the fight. This is how you'll start it. 0:46:16.480 --> 0:46:19.560 Yeah, the shadow what could still work under but you 0:46:19.680 --> 0:46:22.120 just it's part of the rebellion so far, it's all 0:46:22.160 --> 0:46:24.080 of the rebellion. So I think you're right, you need 0:46:24.160 --> 0:46:26.520 that side, and I do believe that we will get 0:46:26.560 --> 0:46:30.520 to that place thinking of the timeline, But like you're right, 0:46:30.560 --> 0:46:32.640 they need like a figurehead, you know, they need somebody 0:46:32.680 --> 0:46:34.080 who will can kind. 0:46:34.200 --> 0:46:36.799 This is the here's the problem, and it's I think 0:46:36.840 --> 0:46:39.520 a problem that I think people will resonate with the 0:46:39.680 --> 0:46:45.480 rebellion controls nothing. Yeah, they don't have the heights of 0:46:45.520 --> 0:46:48.279 the economy completely in they hands of the empire. They 0:46:48.280 --> 0:46:51.279 don't have the media and an ability to communicate in 0:46:51.320 --> 0:46:55.319 a safe and secure space. They're ideals what they want 0:46:55.360 --> 0:47:00.719 to do. They can't voice an opinion anywhere. Three, they 0:47:00.760 --> 0:47:03.200 don't even they Yavin is a place right that they're 0:47:03.280 --> 0:47:06.160 hiding out it, but it's not a base yet. This 0:47:06.280 --> 0:47:08.560 is why Yavin is so important, because you need that 0:47:08.680 --> 0:47:10.879 safe space where you can gather and start to talk 0:47:10.920 --> 0:47:13.800 about things. And so what you're I think you're absolutely 0:47:13.880 --> 0:47:15.960 right aboot, like they need that. But there's also the 0:47:16.040 --> 0:47:22.759 thing of everybody's been operating underground necessarily because again, the 0:47:22.800 --> 0:47:26.719 rebellion controls nothing. They have no they have none of 0:47:26.760 --> 0:47:29.120 the resources or the control of the recess or the 0:47:29.560 --> 0:47:32.760 gates to control of the resources that would be necessary 0:47:32.800 --> 0:47:34.759 to fight this. They don't even have gas for their 0:47:34.800 --> 0:47:39.280 fucking chips yet. So how do you get that stuff? 0:47:40.160 --> 0:47:46.400 And how do you get that stuff without getting arrested? 0:47:46.800 --> 0:47:49.080 You have to do it in these little weird cells 0:47:49.120 --> 0:47:51.279 that are just kind of coalescing on their own, and 0:47:51.400 --> 0:47:54.600 it's a mess. And this is this is a necessary 0:47:54.640 --> 0:47:59.120 stage to it, and it just it's you know, I 0:47:59.160 --> 0:48:01.160 think a thing that maybe a lot of people are 0:48:01.160 --> 0:48:03.319 thinking about is like, well, how do I I hate 0:48:03.320 --> 0:48:06.920 what's going on? How do I do anything? And I think, like, 0:48:07.239 --> 0:48:08.960 you know, I've seen other people write like this is 0:48:09.040 --> 0:48:10.920 kind of a resistance handbook, and it is in the 0:48:10.920 --> 0:48:14.319 way that like people decide I can do this one thing. 0:48:14.360 --> 0:48:16.360 So I'm going to do this and I'm not going 0:48:16.440 --> 0:48:19.560 to coordinate with anybody because that's dangerous. And that's where 0:48:19.560 --> 0:48:22.440 the rebels are now. They can't coordinate because it's dangerous, 0:48:23.360 --> 0:48:26.480 and it looks messy because it is, and hopefully they 0:48:26.480 --> 0:48:29.719 get their shit together. Let's take a quick break and 0:48:29.760 --> 0:48:50.799 regret back. Okay, world building, I think did we say 0:48:50.880 --> 0:48:54.480 in these first three episodes, Rosie that this is the 0:48:54.480 --> 0:48:59.719 best world building of Star Wars? I believe that, But 0:49:00.560 --> 0:49:03.319 abou Joel, I'd love to hear your takes, Like, what 0:49:03.360 --> 0:49:04.960 did you think of the world building in this in 0:49:05.000 --> 0:49:07.000 these three episodes thus far? Aboo, Let's start with you. 0:49:07.600 --> 0:49:08.840 So I'm just going to call out a couple of 0:49:08.880 --> 0:49:11.880 small world building details that I really liked. I totally 0:49:11.920 --> 0:49:13.520 agree that, like this is some of the best Star 0:49:13.560 --> 0:49:17.200 Wars world building we're getting on screen. You know, I 0:49:17.239 --> 0:49:19.760 think there are many books that do wonderful. 0:49:19.400 --> 0:49:20.880 Star Wars world building. 0:49:20.920 --> 0:49:25.520 Yes, I want to shout out the DJ droid at 0:49:25.520 --> 0:49:27.960 the wedding. He was having a great time and he 0:49:28.000 --> 0:49:29.680 was helping everybody else have a great time. 0:49:30.280 --> 0:49:30.600 Love it. 0:49:30.760 --> 0:49:35.200 Aaron is like, I'm seeing Yeah, It's like, finally, this 0:49:35.239 --> 0:49:36.279 is the most important part. 0:49:36.760 --> 0:49:37.759 What did Aaron call them? 0:49:37.840 --> 0:49:42.800 Like diplow three poe three diplow po Aaron tried his best, 0:49:42.840 --> 0:49:46.560 I get it, good joke. I also really, I mean, 0:49:46.600 --> 0:49:49.560 I think a lot of the Chadrilline customs I found 0:49:49.680 --> 0:49:54.520 really really fascinating. As Rosie you and Joel stated it, 0:49:54.520 --> 0:49:58.400 it really connected to many aspects of Star Wars that 0:49:58.440 --> 0:50:00.800 we can identify the braids. There was even a cutting 0:50:00.800 --> 0:50:04.560 of the braids ceremony at one moment. So I really 0:50:04.640 --> 0:50:06.880 enjoyed a lot of the chentrill and the custom of 0:50:06.920 --> 0:50:08.840 like going up the side of the mountain to this 0:50:08.880 --> 0:50:12.200 pointless little tradition. I liked a lot of that, and 0:50:12.239 --> 0:50:14.960 I liked that the show was brave enough to just 0:50:15.040 --> 0:50:17.839 dwell on that right, like to have a very long 0:50:17.920 --> 0:50:20.600 drawn out scene where the parents and the kids who 0:50:20.600 --> 0:50:23.439 are getting married do this whole song and dance thing, 0:50:24.440 --> 0:50:27.040 and to let that scene Breathe and take take up 0:50:27.080 --> 0:50:30.080 five minutes of an episode. I also want to shout 0:50:30.080 --> 0:50:34.520 out that I really liked seeing Deirdre and cereals apartment 0:50:34.640 --> 0:50:35.480 and coroside. 0:50:35.600 --> 0:50:39.040 Yes, it's interesting. It's interesting to see this. 0:50:39.280 --> 0:50:41.560 And I will say one of the biggest things I've 0:50:41.560 --> 0:50:45.160 been running through the reddits today. I've been going on 0:50:45.200 --> 0:50:47.799 the discord like and there was a Reddit post I 0:50:47.840 --> 0:50:49.359 was going to bring up later, but really the point 0:50:49.400 --> 0:50:52.640 he makes is so relevant to this reddit was a 0:50:52.640 --> 0:50:56.839 black Drew and the he said he gave a great 0:50:56.960 --> 0:50:59.319 kind of feeling about the show. 0:50:59.320 --> 0:51:01.120 But what he said that I think is very true. 0:51:01.520 --> 0:51:04.480 It is just seeing the normal the lives of the 0:51:04.560 --> 0:51:07.960 normal people in this universe is fascinating. And I guess 0:51:08.040 --> 0:51:11.560 that is what seeing people's apartments, What does it look 0:51:11.640 --> 0:51:12.960 like if you work for the Empire? 0:51:13.000 --> 0:51:14.000 Where do you live? 0:51:14.320 --> 0:51:14.440 Like? 0:51:15.000 --> 0:51:18.160 It's so interesting to me, And I think the same 0:51:18.200 --> 0:51:22.040 with Big Week. I think those sections of like building 0:51:22.120 --> 0:51:25.200 out the world are easily some of the best that 0:51:25.200 --> 0:51:27.880 we've seen in Star Wars and definitely feel very Lucas 0:51:28.160 --> 0:51:31.839 like very prequels, very Lucas. Very Maybe you don't even 0:51:32.080 --> 0:51:34.640 think you care about this, but then you end up 0:51:34.680 --> 0:51:37.520 something like the DJ Droid. I'm already seeing so many 0:51:37.560 --> 0:51:41.040 memes about that and about Mon's wedding, and. 0:51:40.960 --> 0:51:41.640 I think. 0:51:43.520 --> 0:51:48.560 Cyril laying on the bed getting to see Chandrilla before 0:51:48.719 --> 0:51:51.319 the Battle of end Or, when it's like and then 0:51:51.360 --> 0:51:53.600 it becomes the capital of the new Republic, and seeing 0:51:53.640 --> 0:51:56.320 what it was like before that, and seeing Mon's life 0:51:56.320 --> 0:51:58.319 and the life of the people who just you know, 0:51:58.480 --> 0:52:00.920 live and work there. I just think that stuff is 0:52:00.960 --> 0:52:03.239 so interesting, and I do think that is one of 0:52:03.280 --> 0:52:06.200 the biggest things that this show gets. Right Joelle, what 0:52:06.280 --> 0:52:08.680 about you, What was your big world building moment that 0:52:08.719 --> 0:52:09.400 you just loved. 0:52:09.840 --> 0:52:12.400 I was really interested in the internal world of and Or, 0:52:13.040 --> 0:52:16.120 if that makes sense of like the character himself, we 0:52:16.160 --> 0:52:20.319 meet him at such an interesting time, like Okay, first 0:52:20.320 --> 0:52:22.960 of all, shout out to Curvy Girls in Space, our 0:52:23.040 --> 0:52:26.759 very first one. She's amazing to start the show on 0:52:26.840 --> 0:52:32.239 her inauguration into the rebellion, right, Yeah, to have When 0:52:32.280 --> 0:52:35.480 we think about when we first meet Cassian, it's in 0:52:35.600 --> 0:52:39.720 rogue one. He's meeting a spy. The spy's TELLINGHI, somebody's nervous, 0:52:39.760 --> 0:52:42.120 and he's scared, and that's making and Or nervous and scared, 0:52:42.120 --> 0:52:43.840 and so he killed him because he's like, yeah, we 0:52:43.840 --> 0:52:45.040 don't have time for this, and I have to flee 0:52:45.040 --> 0:52:48.520 from this planet. The fact that he takes time to 0:52:48.520 --> 0:52:52.239 stop and speak to this woman and give her not 0:52:52.280 --> 0:52:56.480 just encouragement, not just you know, like a little support 0:52:56.480 --> 0:52:58.040 ince the moment she asked him a question. She said, 0:52:58.000 --> 0:53:00.600 if I die tonight, was it worth it? Which is 0:53:00.640 --> 0:53:03.120 sort of like the ultimate question, you know, for us 0:53:03.160 --> 0:53:05.800 as a viewership because of where we're entering, We're asking, 0:53:06.040 --> 0:53:09.319 is the eventual outcome of Cassian sacrifice worth it? 0:53:09.960 --> 0:53:12.279 You know, we understand it was worth it in. 0:53:12.200 --> 0:53:15.200 That our heroes later and episode four are going to 0:53:15.239 --> 0:53:16.960 be but we're like in the last of us space, 0:53:16.960 --> 0:53:20.160 which like, hmm, it's our love for Cassian that we've 0:53:20.200 --> 0:53:22.160 built over time. Is it going to be worthy to 0:53:22.280 --> 0:53:23.840 us to lose him even though we know that eventually 0:53:23.840 --> 0:53:26.040 it works out for everybody. And so he gives us 0:53:26.080 --> 0:53:28.640 this line, which is this makes it worth it? This 0:53:29.120 --> 0:53:32.719 right now being with you being here at the moment 0:53:32.760 --> 0:53:34.799 you step into the circle again, We'll come back to 0:53:34.800 --> 0:53:37.040 the idea of how important circles is. You made this 0:53:37.080 --> 0:53:39.560 decision long ago. The Empire cannot win You'll never feel 0:53:39.640 --> 0:53:41.680 right until you're doing what you can to stop them. 0:53:41.719 --> 0:53:44.680 You're coming home to yourself. You've become more than your fear. 0:53:45.360 --> 0:53:46.480 Let that protect you. 0:53:47.600 --> 0:53:50.719 What I love about this too, is like when he 0:53:50.800 --> 0:53:55.000 meets Jin in the in he says to a welcome home. 0:53:55.120 --> 0:53:57.319 So this is part of He's like practice say, like, 0:53:57.400 --> 0:53:59.839 what do you say to rebels? And you're more than 0:53:59.840 --> 0:54:04.040 you fear is something that Nemick said to him, you 0:54:04.160 --> 0:54:06.360 know about when he was talking about the journals. So 0:54:06.400 --> 0:54:10.160 I love that we're seeing Andor's life as it is 0:54:10.239 --> 0:54:12.880 influenced by other rebels that he has met and the 0:54:12.880 --> 0:54:15.040 way they have made an impact on him, and then 0:54:15.040 --> 0:54:17.800 how he is going to continue that to other young rebels. 0:54:17.800 --> 0:54:19.000 I think that's so amazing. 0:54:19.880 --> 0:54:22.200 Yeah, I just feel like we sort of removed a 0:54:22.239 --> 0:54:24.600 lot of the fantasy element of Star Wars, even tho 0:54:24.600 --> 0:54:26.080 I started this episode saying, bout like the Star Wars 0:54:26.200 --> 0:54:29.360 is so back in here. It like the stripping down 0:54:29.480 --> 0:54:33.560 of that over time, Like it makes the show so 0:54:33.719 --> 0:54:37.480 much more terrifying and brilliant, brilliant, And I think it 0:54:37.560 --> 0:54:41.000 does break the world wide open to experience not just 0:54:41.640 --> 0:54:44.960 the black and whites of good and evil, but like 0:54:45.280 --> 0:54:46.560 the idea of who are you going to save in 0:54:46.600 --> 0:54:48.920 this moment and what can you do right here in 0:54:49.000 --> 0:54:49.600 this space? 0:54:49.680 --> 0:54:50.880 I think that is. 0:54:52.440 --> 0:54:55.120 Just so vital to the storytelling, and it makes everything 0:54:55.239 --> 0:54:57.759 feel so much more like I just think you can 0:54:57.800 --> 0:54:59.759 feel for these care even more than you could feel 0:54:59.760 --> 0:55:02.000 like Lay and Lukey wanted them to get out, okay, 0:55:02.040 --> 0:55:05.200 but they were adventurers and heroes, and because they were 0:55:05.200 --> 0:55:08.799 built on that hero's journey, you know where their outcome is. 0:55:08.840 --> 0:55:11.000 They've already busted that wide open and so now all 0:55:11.040 --> 0:55:14.200 you can do is hurt and feel while you're watching 0:55:14.239 --> 0:55:16.000 these people do what they need to do so that 0:55:16.040 --> 0:55:18.480 everybody else can have a brighter future. It's devastating, but 0:55:18.520 --> 0:55:20.560 it's so good and I think it makes everything feel 0:55:20.560 --> 0:55:21.959 so much more tangible and real. 0:55:22.440 --> 0:55:25.200 Yeah, and speaking to the idea of this being a 0:55:25.239 --> 0:55:29.200 rebellion guidebook, right and Cassie and telling all of us 0:55:29.239 --> 0:55:30.720 that it's okay to be scared. 0:55:30.920 --> 0:55:32.400 It's okay that we maybe did. 0:55:32.200 --> 0:55:35.839 Have some good times with the Empire, but that deep down, 0:55:35.880 --> 0:55:40.680 if you if you really feel something is wrong, doing 0:55:40.719 --> 0:55:43.080 something about it will be coming home to yourself that 0:55:43.080 --> 0:55:44.960 that will finally feel like the right thing. 0:55:44.840 --> 0:55:45.680 To do to me. 0:55:45.800 --> 0:55:48.560 That's like, is it okay that I enjoyed this? Save 0:55:48.600 --> 0:55:55.239 it for your therapi, save it for your therapist. But 0:55:55.480 --> 0:55:57.839 I get it, like we've all been there, right, but 0:55:58.480 --> 0:55:59.839 we're here to do a thing right. 0:56:00.120 --> 0:56:00.600 Doing the thing. 0:56:01.000 --> 0:56:02.439 Yeah, I will say doing the thing. 0:56:02.520 --> 0:56:04.400 I do not disagree with Jason. We had quite a 0:56:04.440 --> 0:56:06.360 lot of fun talking about that moment on the recap. 0:56:06.360 --> 0:56:08.719 But I will say I think it speaks to one 0:56:08.719 --> 0:56:10.640 of the things I love the most in these kind 0:56:10.680 --> 0:56:13.280 of stories. It's very Claudia Gray Lost Stars. 0:56:13.400 --> 0:56:17.800 It's very kind of like it's this notion of like it's. 0:56:17.640 --> 0:56:20.799 The clerk's conundrum that they raised in that movie, you know, 0:56:21.080 --> 0:56:23.279 forty years ago whenever that came out now because we're 0:56:23.320 --> 0:56:26.680 all old, But like, who is working on the Death Star? 0:56:26.760 --> 0:56:28.480 Like when they blew up the Death Star? Aren't there 0:56:28.480 --> 0:56:30.560 a bunch of contractors there who probably don't even have 0:56:30.560 --> 0:56:33.320 a choice. Are there a bunch of enslaved people there working? 0:56:33.440 --> 0:56:35.840 Are there a bunch of children who were literally picked 0:56:35.920 --> 0:56:39.279 up from their planets and stolen and turned into stormtroopers? 0:56:39.280 --> 0:56:43.839 Like if you start thinking about the real collateral damage, 0:56:44.400 --> 0:56:46.680 you realize that nothing is as you know, it's a 0:56:46.719 --> 0:56:49.239 lot more complicated than a gold medal at the end 0:56:49.280 --> 0:56:52.120 of a New Hope, and I mean at the end 0:56:52.120 --> 0:56:54.680 of her Return of the Jedi. But I also think, 0:56:54.800 --> 0:56:58.719 like I loved that little moment where she is aware 0:56:59.400 --> 0:57:01.080 that she shouldn't have been having fun because it's a 0:57:01.080 --> 0:57:04.000 fucking Nazi shit. But guess what, she's also a human 0:57:04.040 --> 0:57:07.640 being who probably like made friends with people and was 0:57:07.680 --> 0:57:09.520 able to make the best of what she did. And 0:57:09.560 --> 0:57:12.279 I think those little lines are so so real because 0:57:12.280 --> 0:57:14.160 it's like you said, Jason, keep that in the group chat, 0:57:14.360 --> 0:57:16.880 message that to your friends, like it's not you don't 0:57:16.920 --> 0:57:19.960 need to tell this random rebel, but luckily he is 0:57:20.000 --> 0:57:21.840 Cassie and Andel, and he gives you the best speech 0:57:21.880 --> 0:57:23.680 of your life, like you're never gonna forget that. 0:57:24.240 --> 0:57:26.400 I feel the same way about in terms of world 0:57:26.400 --> 0:57:32.120 being about For me, it's that emotional territory of Joelle 0:57:32.120 --> 0:57:36.000 put it best, like the in the Star Wars movies, right, 0:57:36.040 --> 0:57:39.880 everybody's a fucking adventure. You never ever, ever, for one 0:57:39.960 --> 0:57:43.240 moment get the feeling that anybody's actually afraid or nervous 0:57:43.720 --> 0:57:50.920 or wondering like is this gonna work? Whereas there's every 0:57:51.000 --> 0:57:54.600 character in this story on different levels, it's like, fuck, 0:57:54.680 --> 0:57:59.360 did I I didn't know that it would mean doing this? Likeman, 0:57:59.560 --> 0:58:04.440 is like, know what would mean? I have to be 0:58:04.560 --> 0:58:08.360 okay with the murder of my former boyfriend and I 0:58:08.400 --> 0:58:11.480 just have to pretend I knew nothing about the fact 0:58:11.480 --> 0:58:13.320 that he's going to drop off the face of the earth, 0:58:13.400 --> 0:58:17.240 right this person that I cared about, Or it's it's 0:58:17.280 --> 0:58:21.160 this you know, imperial worker who's like, fuck, I kind 0:58:21.160 --> 0:58:23.040 of like liked my time here. Even though I agree 0:58:23.040 --> 0:58:24.680 that this is fine, I'm doing this, but like, am 0:58:24.720 --> 0:58:26.280 I doing the right thing? Is this going to work? 0:58:26.320 --> 0:58:28.840 Is this going to come back on me? Going to think? 0:58:29.680 --> 0:58:29.880 Yeah? 0:58:29.880 --> 0:58:34.400 And I think that emotional territory of what did I 0:58:34.400 --> 0:58:37.480 get myself into? This is the right thing? But is 0:58:37.520 --> 0:58:41.640 it the cost too high? Is is really really rich? 0:58:41.840 --> 0:58:42.040 You know? 0:58:42.240 --> 0:58:45.800 I think? And it's there's a moment where Luthen where 0:58:46.520 --> 0:58:48.760 they're talking around it. It's one of the you know, 0:58:48.880 --> 0:58:52.440 the tone zone pen is so good because a lot 0:58:52.480 --> 0:58:54.880 of times, you know, these are spies, So they're talking 0:58:54.920 --> 0:58:57.040 about a thing, but they're talking around it, and they're 0:58:57.080 --> 0:59:01.080 at the wedding and mon is saying Tayte freaking out 0:59:01.320 --> 0:59:04.080 he's kind of extorting me. He's suggesting that he might 0:59:04.720 --> 0:59:08.479 need more money or something to protect himself. I don't 0:59:08.560 --> 0:59:12.760 I don't know what to do. And Luthan is like, really, 0:59:12.800 --> 0:59:15.080 you don't know what to do. You don't know what 0:59:15.080 --> 0:59:15.240 to do. 0:59:15.360 --> 0:59:16.680 You don't you do it? 0:59:17.240 --> 0:59:19.680 He says, he I think he she and then she 0:59:20.040 --> 0:59:23.000 under picks up what he's putting down. This means you're 0:59:23.560 --> 0:59:25.880 your guy's gonna have to go away, like we're gonna 0:59:25.880 --> 0:59:29.840 have to do him in somehow. And she's like, I'm shocked, 0:59:30.400 --> 0:59:32.040 and he says, I'm shocked. 0:59:32.120 --> 0:59:32.840 You're shocked. 0:59:33.160 --> 0:59:37.040 Yeah, And it's that real come to Jesus, like what 0:59:37.120 --> 0:59:38.440 did you think we were doing? 0:59:39.360 --> 0:59:39.600 You know? 0:59:39.680 --> 0:59:44.000 What do you what do you think? Yeah? And it's 0:59:44.080 --> 0:59:50.160 that real reckoning with the cost. The cost is here's 0:59:50.200 --> 0:59:52.880 this person that you like. You generally like this person. 0:59:53.680 --> 0:59:57.160 We're going to kill them to keep this whole because 0:59:57.160 --> 0:59:59.360 we're in it to win it. We're not in it 0:59:59.400 --> 1:00:01.680 to or a few hits and walk away and go 1:00:01.840 --> 1:00:05.000 vacation on the on the beach planet. We're here to 1:00:05.160 --> 1:00:06.400 actually win the thing. 1:00:06.960 --> 1:00:09.120 And that means we're probably never gonna see the win. 1:00:09.760 --> 1:00:11.880 Yeah, And that means a lot of other people maybe 1:00:11.880 --> 1:00:13.480 that you like, are not going to see the win. 1:00:13.600 --> 1:00:17.240 And it's those moments where characters are reckoning with the 1:00:17.280 --> 1:00:20.800 cost that is you've never seen that in Star Wars 1:00:20.880 --> 1:00:24.480 before on this level on this and maybe in the 1:00:24.480 --> 1:00:26.160 comics some of the comics are maybe in some of 1:00:26.200 --> 1:00:29.720 the books, but like not like this on the big 1:00:29.920 --> 1:00:33.040 on a screen where everything looks amazing, and that is 1:00:33.080 --> 1:00:35.800 the stuff that has really captured me about this show. 1:00:35.880 --> 1:00:36.640 Completely agreed. 1:00:36.720 --> 1:00:39.480 Yeah, yeah, it's it's really fantastic. 1:00:39.520 --> 1:00:42.200 I mean, let's look at what some some things Aaron 1:00:42.280 --> 1:00:45.280 thought as as as a person watching this show. 1:00:49.200 --> 1:00:53.600 The discord is always gang live, he cannot live. 1:00:53.720 --> 1:00:55.400 They love going in the discord. 1:00:55.720 --> 1:00:58.400 Okay, He's gonna make a point though that I think 1:00:58.440 --> 1:01:00.360 we're all gonna agree with it. 1:00:59.680 --> 1:01:04.120 Yea. Cyril's mom, Edie, the greatest Star Wars villain since Thorn. 1:01:04.600 --> 1:01:06.680 I I love her. 1:01:06.840 --> 1:01:07.720 She's incredible. 1:01:11.880 --> 1:01:19.040 It's the fact that she's so tactfully like it's one 1:01:19.080 --> 1:01:21.400 thing if you're a bit and you're just hyper unaware 1:01:21.440 --> 1:01:25.360 of it, but she know that and it's immediately like, Okay, 1:01:25.440 --> 1:01:29.040 I won't be the most annoying possible thing to Cirial like. 1:01:29.680 --> 1:01:32.280 You're doing this so intentionally, it's so mean. 1:01:32.360 --> 1:01:35.320 But I mean, listen, I have a lot of issues 1:01:35.360 --> 1:01:38.320 with Dada, but her getting her man's ship in order 1:01:38.320 --> 1:01:41.200 when he is just literally collapsing on the bed. 1:01:41.880 --> 1:01:43.760 He threw himself like a Victorian woman off the. 1:01:47.360 --> 1:01:48.560 Cyril's got the vapors. 1:01:48.640 --> 1:01:52.360 I've got the vapis, you know. 1:01:52.600 --> 1:01:54.680 I think as well, something that I thought was really 1:01:54.680 --> 1:01:57.960 cool at the premiere, the actressho places Dandro was like, please, guys, 1:01:58.040 --> 1:02:03.080 just remember she's a fascist, right, But I think that 1:02:03.120 --> 1:02:07.640 what Tony does so brilliantly here is shows how, you know, 1:02:07.920 --> 1:02:11.680 normal people inverted commas like can get a job in 1:02:11.840 --> 1:02:15.760 like a really boring government job that ends up becoming 1:02:15.800 --> 1:02:20.080 a pipeline to true fascism. And he's showing here like, hey, yeah, 1:02:20.120 --> 1:02:23.439 maybe this person does have relationships, maybe they have their 1:02:23.480 --> 1:02:26.720 own version of a moral compass whatever that is, but 1:02:26.760 --> 1:02:29.560 they're still a fascist. Like this is the it's you know, 1:02:29.920 --> 1:02:32.320 we we you know, we had a name for people 1:02:32.360 --> 1:02:35.400 who voted for the Nazis, that voted because they cared 1:02:35.400 --> 1:02:38.480 about their job, or they cared about money or blah 1:02:38.520 --> 1:02:41.720 blah blah. And they said in Germany, Nazi it's fucking Nazis. 1:02:42.480 --> 1:02:45.520 It doesn't matter, You're still doing it, you know. So 1:02:45.640 --> 1:02:48.320 I think I think the Deirdre Edie Cyril stuff I've 1:02:48.320 --> 1:02:50.919 been I was surprised by how much I was into 1:02:50.920 --> 1:02:52.520 the Cyril storyline this season. 1:02:52.640 --> 1:02:55.440 Aaron dropped the letter from Windles in the Discord, which 1:02:55.480 --> 1:02:57.760 is pretty good, or he says, man if I'd an 1:02:57.760 --> 1:03:00.200 audience reaction to Dandre to be fascinating, like he is 1:03:00.200 --> 1:03:03.400 an unapologetic fascist from the first second we see her, 1:03:03.600 --> 1:03:06.720 and people, really we have a hard time processing that 1:03:06.760 --> 1:03:09.120 this pretty blond lady is exactly what she seems. I 1:03:09.120 --> 1:03:11.040 think Tony Giloa has done an amazing job playing off 1:03:11.040 --> 1:03:14.640 our expectations for what a fascist actually absolutely yes. 1:03:14.960 --> 1:03:18.080 And I also think by showing that a fascist can 1:03:18.600 --> 1:03:21.720 have a relationship and be in love, as fucked up 1:03:21.760 --> 1:03:26.720 as that relationship is, is another great reality check of like, yeah, 1:03:26.760 --> 1:03:29.200 somebody can feel these normal things, but they can still 1:03:29.240 --> 1:03:32.880 be enacting like horrific things on people around the world. 1:03:33.440 --> 1:03:36.320 I think part of the issue that we did, you know, 1:03:36.600 --> 1:03:40.880 we're bringing a real world term fascism into Star Wars, right, 1:03:40.960 --> 1:03:44.000 and part of the problem is that like, Okay, you 1:03:44.040 --> 1:03:48.919 say that someone's a fascist. It's true, they're a hard 1:03:48.960 --> 1:03:53.760 working government bureaucrat, okay, and you call them a fascist. 1:03:54.120 --> 1:03:59.160 That The problem that star Wars and Or is kind 1:03:59.160 --> 1:04:03.080 of like grappling in a metaw way, is like how 1:04:03.080 --> 1:04:08.000 do you match your words to action? Yes, because it's 1:04:08.200 --> 1:04:12.640 it's part of I think the problem big like capital 1:04:12.720 --> 1:04:16.400 letters quotes, is that we throw these terms around there 1:04:16.400 --> 1:04:23.600 technically correct, but because action never follows the seriousness of 1:04:23.680 --> 1:04:27.439 the term, everything loses meaning. And I think that's part 1:04:27.440 --> 1:04:32.040 of like what the what we're getting at with Deirdre. 1:04:32.280 --> 1:04:34.680 She's a girl boss, she's got ambition. 1:04:34.480 --> 1:04:39.880 She's doing a thing in a male centric landscape, and. 1:04:40.000 --> 1:04:44.320 She's succeeding, and she's she's like unafraid to be like 1:04:44.440 --> 1:04:46.640 ambitious and to be like I'm going for it, and 1:04:46.680 --> 1:04:50.080 those are all ideals that we like, and so it's 1:04:50.160 --> 1:04:56.600 hard to then match what she is to how we 1:04:56.680 --> 1:05:00.880 feel about what she's doing or even And I think 1:05:00.920 --> 1:05:03.200 part of it is that when you like to call 1:05:03.240 --> 1:05:05.280 someone a fascist or an imperial or whatever in this 1:05:05.360 --> 1:05:11.040 world is to say like it's almost like cross a 1:05:11.120 --> 1:05:13.320 threshold and say like now I have to stand in 1:05:13.320 --> 1:05:15.480 opposition to this person. When really we did. Like a 1:05:15.480 --> 1:05:17.400 lot of people are like parent and they don't want to. 1:05:17.960 --> 1:05:18.600 I don't want to. 1:05:18.840 --> 1:05:21.800 I'm gonna like engaging with that term means like I 1:05:21.800 --> 1:05:23.080 have to take a stand, and I don't want to 1:05:23.080 --> 1:05:24.760 take a stand. And I think a lot of like 1:05:24.920 --> 1:05:29.480 how people feel about Deirdre is muddled in that same way. 1:05:29.520 --> 1:05:31.800 And I think that's part of what makes it really interesting. 1:05:31.880 --> 1:05:37.320 She's got all these traits that that that we in 1:05:36.960 --> 1:05:40.400 real life in a more normal time with like in 1:05:40.400 --> 1:05:43.600 a more normal context with lawed, but she's doing it 1:05:43.640 --> 1:05:47.400 in service to like the worst project in the fucking galaxy. 1:05:47.600 --> 1:05:49.520 She's also like an empathetic character, like we get her 1:05:49.560 --> 1:05:54.920 backstory here, yeah with uh she was raised by the 1:05:55.000 --> 1:05:57.880 empire of an orphan who's raised by the empire, so 1:05:57.960 --> 1:06:01.720 like that shades in so much of who Deja is, 1:06:01.720 --> 1:06:04.480 Like you understand, like, oh, this like radical devotion is 1:06:04.520 --> 1:06:06.160 like a parent, Like this is all you know. There 1:06:06.240 --> 1:06:08.880 is nothing outside of this and the only way to 1:06:08.920 --> 1:06:11.960 prove yourself within this organization is to climb the ladder. 1:06:12.200 --> 1:06:14.680 And she's found something that nobody else has. It's not 1:06:14.680 --> 1:06:16.760 something she really needs to fight for other than to 1:06:16.800 --> 1:06:19.000 like try to get this little bit of information. If 1:06:19.040 --> 1:06:22.920 she can find her guy, her spy, then she's golden 1:06:23.120 --> 1:06:25.760 in the eyes of the only thing that really has 1:06:25.880 --> 1:06:29.560 value to her, or her shown value within herself. I 1:06:29.560 --> 1:06:33.560 think that is, you know, just from a character perspective, 1:06:33.560 --> 1:06:35.480 You're like, Wow, I love this character. I want to 1:06:35.480 --> 1:06:37.720 follow her all over it like what she doing. And 1:06:37.760 --> 1:06:39.160 I think maybe that's where a lot of people are 1:06:39.160 --> 1:06:41.840 getting tripped up. I'm not sure if everyone loves Deirdre 1:06:41.960 --> 1:06:43.840 the Fascist. I think people are interested, like, what is 1:06:43.880 --> 1:06:45.000 this woman gonna do next? 1:06:45.080 --> 1:06:46.120 She says, yah, yeah she is. 1:06:46.440 --> 1:06:49.880 I will say in the last season A season one, 1:06:49.920 --> 1:06:53.400 I was not particularly interested in several and I felt 1:06:53.400 --> 1:06:56.360 like Deirdre was just like an antagonist, right, like she's 1:06:56.400 --> 1:06:59.720 just hunting them down. But actually, this first three episodes 1:06:59.720 --> 1:07:01.800 I felt like they built them both out so well 1:07:01.800 --> 1:07:04.400 that now I am very invested in those characters and 1:07:04.400 --> 1:07:08.840 where they will go, because there is chaos coming to 1:07:08.880 --> 1:07:12.400 the galaxy, and these people are all living in the 1:07:12.440 --> 1:07:13.640 incoming chaos. 1:07:13.760 --> 1:07:17.880 Here's what's great about the serial Dear dear relationship. He's 1:07:17.920 --> 1:07:20.080 the boot liquor and she's the boots. 1:07:20.960 --> 1:07:23.920 Yes, yes, yes, yes, that's the truth. 1:07:24.840 --> 1:07:28.800 That's why it works. He is this idealistic like, oh 1:07:28.840 --> 1:07:34.160 the Empire. Wow, cool, we're hunts. I got to hunt spies. 1:07:34.840 --> 1:07:38.439 If you do your job well and you're lucky enough, 1:07:38.520 --> 1:07:41.200 you might get to hunt a spy too. And by 1:07:41.240 --> 1:07:44.120 the way, my girlfriend and by the way, my girlfriend 1:07:44.200 --> 1:07:48.200 hunts spies all the time. And yeah, and it's that 1:07:48.440 --> 1:07:52.240 dynamic that makes them just fascinating. 1:07:52.040 --> 1:07:54.920 Utterly fascinating to watch. I'm excited to see what happens. 1:07:55.120 --> 1:07:56.400 Let's talk Aaron producer. 1:07:56.440 --> 1:07:59.840 Aaron before we go, had a question and I'm sorry. 1:07:59.640 --> 1:08:02.240 To tell you the Saron, with your pure innocent heart, 1:08:02.320 --> 1:08:04.920 that you put this question in here. Aaron said, what 1:08:05.120 --> 1:08:08.000 happened with Cinta and take Cob Is she still working 1:08:08.040 --> 1:08:08.560 for Lutheran? 1:08:08.800 --> 1:08:10.120 Do we think mon can clear that. 1:08:13.120 --> 1:08:21.360 She's killing that mother budy assassin. She's coming killing that guy? 1:08:21.400 --> 1:08:23.320 Do send her to kill and Or? At the end 1:08:23.320 --> 1:08:25.439 of season one, Like that's her role, That's why she 1:08:25.520 --> 1:08:27.640 goes back to Ferris is to kill Andor. 1:08:27.520 --> 1:08:30.840 Which is so funny, like she's just a total badass 1:08:31.040 --> 1:08:34.679 and obviously she's gonna kill Tay. Like sorry, guys, loose lips, 1:08:34.720 --> 1:08:39.200 loose lips, sink ships, and in this case of even. 1:08:39.000 --> 1:08:43.759 This suggestion of loose lips, said Tay has only merely 1:08:43.800 --> 1:08:44.640 been suggested. 1:08:45.960 --> 1:08:51.759 Lips was flapping at the park. Guy, don't even worry 1:08:51.760 --> 1:08:52.360 about it. 1:08:53.240 --> 1:08:56.040 And then, well, you see who gives me the most money? 1:08:56.120 --> 1:08:58.559 So this is you're playing the game terribly and it's 1:08:58.560 --> 1:08:59.160 bothering me. 1:09:01.560 --> 1:09:04.640 Yes, Jason, plug your letterbox? Where can people follow you? 1:09:04.720 --> 1:09:05.880 I love the list you made. 1:09:05.920 --> 1:09:08.280 We're gonna link to it in the show notes. It's 1:09:08.320 --> 1:09:10.720 such a fucking good list. It was blowing my mind. 1:09:10.760 --> 1:09:12.800 We've talked a lot about classic cinema. We're going to 1:09:12.840 --> 1:09:15.960 try and keep bringing those references as the show continues, 1:09:15.960 --> 1:09:18.559 because we're sure that more of them will come. Tony 1:09:18.640 --> 1:09:21.679 is not He's a student of cinema clearly. So yeah, Jason, 1:09:21.720 --> 1:09:23.720 what is it? How do people follow it? What's on it? 1:09:24.120 --> 1:09:26.200 I am just good? You know? Go to search me 1:09:26.240 --> 1:09:29.000 on letterbox. I'm an ETW three r K on letterbox, 1:09:29.040 --> 1:09:31.280 or you can search my name. I made a list 1:09:31.320 --> 1:09:34.280 called Indoor Season two Syllabus or how to Resist a Vampire. 1:09:34.320 --> 1:09:37.439 It's got a variety of movies on there that you 1:09:37.479 --> 1:09:40.800 can check out. I'll give you some of them Casablanca, Roam, 1:09:40.880 --> 1:09:45.320 Open City, a Man Escape, a lot of French on here, 1:09:45.439 --> 1:09:50.519 which I think is apt and ending with rogue one 1:09:50.640 --> 1:09:54.679 of course, so check that out on Letterbox next week. 1:09:54.720 --> 1:09:57.639 On ext Revision Tuesday, we're heading back to Jackson Hole 1:09:57.720 --> 1:09:59.599 for the third episode of the Last of Us. Wednesday 1:09:59.640 --> 1:10:03.080 we'll have our recap of episodes four, five and six 1:10:03.280 --> 1:10:06.439 command Or season two, and then Thursday, we're deep diving 1:10:06.520 --> 1:10:09.840 into the misfit heroes of Marvel's upcoming Thunderbolts. 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