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Speaker 1: Warning, Today's episode contains spoilers for and Or season two

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Speaker 1: episodes one, two, and three. Will be talking about them

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Speaker 1: at length. Hello, my name is Jason Concepcion, been on

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Speaker 1: Mersday Night and welcome back to x ray Vision of

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Speaker 1: the podcast where we dive deep bit your VIVERI shows movies, comics,

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Speaker 1: pop culture, bringing you three massive episodes a week every Tuesday, Wednesday,

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Speaker 1: Thursday plus news.

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Speaker 2: In today's episode, we are convening the Jedi Council to

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Speaker 2: break down the excellent first three episodes of and Or

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Speaker 2: season two. If you haven't listened to our recap, go

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Speaker 2: back and get recast in to it, and then jump

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Speaker 2: in and listen to us with our super producers Joel Naboo,

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Speaker 2: who we are welcoming right now.

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Speaker 3: Hello, Hello, Hey, Hey, how's it going.

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Speaker 4: How you're feeling emotional?

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Speaker 1: Yes, it is emotional. It's emotional.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 1: Rosie and I have have opined at length your thoughts

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Speaker 1: on the first three episodes of van Or. Joel, let's

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Speaker 1: start with you.

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Speaker 5: There's so much to say in these first three episodes

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Speaker 5: for not a lot of events happening, I feel like

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Speaker 5: a lot of information is gained, which is kind of

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Speaker 5: what you want out of a pilot, And I think

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Speaker 5: you can look at these first three episodes as a

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Speaker 5: single pilot for this season. I know it's not launching

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Speaker 5: the show, but it is setting us up for like

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Speaker 5: a super specific time. Androy is such a weird experience

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Speaker 5: because we know where it ends and we're getting a

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Speaker 5: very clean lead up into this moment.

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Speaker 4: And I was like between the.

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Speaker 5: Wedding, like bigs if we're gonna have to talk about

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Speaker 5: bixs because I'm concerned that she's just gonna be a

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Speaker 5: punching bag for the season. And it makes me nervous

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Speaker 5: the love we get between Ceial and Deda. You know,

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Speaker 5: I think what really moves me is like it's Star

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Speaker 5: Wars guys, like in a way that I'd not quite

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Speaker 5: hear the first season.

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Speaker 6: One carry Star Wars.

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Speaker 5: We get like a comical moment with a pilot entering

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Speaker 4: We're getting like.

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Speaker 5: Stunts and spycrafts and Padme levels of costuming.

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Speaker 2: The wedding dress, the Padme web inspired wedding dress stunning.

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Speaker 5: And I just feel like Star Wars has grown up

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Speaker 5: into original ideas of Star Wars. I didn't care about

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Speaker 5: that stuff, and wait, I said, bring out the lightsabers.

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Speaker 4: Now I'm facing real life threats and I'm like, oh.

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Speaker 5: It's a study book. It's a guy like, let me

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Speaker 5: completely new era of Star Wars. And for you know,

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Speaker 5: the team to have built both a BBC style great

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Speaker 5: epic of season one and now'll match it with the

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Speaker 5: epicness of Star Wars.

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Speaker 4: The heart of Star Wars that.

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Speaker 5: Like Kernel of Hope, which is what I really think

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Speaker 5: I am blown away by these first three episodes.

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Speaker 6: How about you a boom?

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Speaker 7: I feel like Joelle covered it. I am having such

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Speaker 7: a great time. Honestly, I haven't had this much fun

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Speaker 7: since Anakin Skywalker said this is where the fun begins

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Speaker 7: and a revenge of the sip.

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Speaker 1: Like it is too early.

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Speaker 7: They were only three episodes in, so it's like too

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Speaker 7: Or is the best thing to ever come out of

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Speaker 6: You wouldn't be the only person if we look at

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Speaker 7: The reviews are glowing from folks who have seen the

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Speaker 7: whole season. I loved these first three episodes. Everything was

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Speaker 7: top notch writing, acting, cinematography, costume, set design, just like

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Speaker 7: twelve out of ten across the board. Rosie, I believe

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Speaker 8: And boy, isn't you know?

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Speaker 7: Like, yeah, it is an absolutely gorgeous show top to bottom.

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Speaker 7: And I think, to Joel's point, like I'm in a

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Speaker 7: And this show offers me like a level of gravitas

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Speaker 8: This one is amazing. Just like a quick thing.

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Speaker 7: I want to call out the very opening scene of

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Speaker 7: talking just some beautiful writing and dialogue. There some beautiful

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Speaker 7: themes around and relevant themes as I'm sure we will

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Speaker 7: get into today about oppression and rebellion.

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Speaker 5: Are immigrant workers fighting?

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Speaker 1: You know?

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Speaker 7: Like it's prescient in that way when you consider this

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Speaker 7: show has been in production for many, many years.

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Speaker 8: So I'm loving it.

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Speaker 7: I'm having an absolute last I can't wait to get

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Speaker 2: Okay, so before we get into the nitegrity of the episode,

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Speaker 2: let's talk about what the reception is gonna be.

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Speaker 6: Jason, do you think season two is gonna pull in

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Speaker 2: Do you think it's gonna be that big kind of

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Speaker 2: and been marketing it on, and has clearly wants it

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Speaker 1: I think that. No, I don't think so. I think

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Speaker 1: everybody who's seen it as saying, this is great, this

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Speaker 1: the Star Wars for our time. I was blown away,

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Speaker 1: Do I think it's a hit? Sadly I suspect not,

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Speaker 1: because you know, I think they're structural problems. And then

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Speaker 1: think that's a that's a big ask. And listen, we're

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Speaker 6: Stars, right, I can't deny it.

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Speaker 1: So if you're a Star Wars freak, the hook here

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Speaker 4: I mean, it's now the highest rated Star Wars project

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Speaker 1: I think if you are a more general fan of

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Speaker 1: were when we were younger, I think you're thinking, where's

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Speaker 1: the hook, where's the lightsabers? You know, it's the same thing,

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Speaker 1: I think those problems are still I hesitate to call

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Speaker 5: Yeah, obstacles for the IP to overcome are rather large,

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Speaker 5: just because of what's been built in before. I do

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Speaker 5: think that the three, if you haven't watched yet, what

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Speaker 5: a time when you can watch all three time together.

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Speaker 5: still feels structured like television and that you have a

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Speaker 5: and pacing of these three days and the importance and

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Speaker 5: Make it a Friday night thing. I think what we'll

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Speaker 5: see is you don't have to be caught. This won't

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Speaker 4: And maybe that.

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Speaker 5: But if you can watch by Friday, you can go

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Speaker 5: I think that works perfectly well, and I do hope

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Speaker 5: we see a huge spike in viewership because gosh, I mean.

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Speaker 1: It's so good that people see at the.

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Speaker 4: Top of excellent television we're getting right now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I also think folks like you can also speed run

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Speaker 7: Yeah, watch it at one point five speed, honestly, I mean.

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Speaker 2: Honestly, Look, the truth is, oh my god, I'm actually

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Speaker 6: But I would also.

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Speaker 2: Say I when I went to the premiere van Or,

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Speaker 2: And I think people who weren't necessarily huge fans of

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Speaker 2: which were very slow burn, I think this opens in

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Speaker 2: I think that was designed to hook anyone who likes

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Speaker 2: Like even Finn and Poem one of my favorite scenes

441
00:21:56,359 --> 00:21:59,600
Speaker 2: ever of any Star Wars movie where they steal the

442
00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:02,199
Speaker 2: ship and they run away and they bond and he

443
00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:04,760
Speaker 2: gives Finn his name, and it's very gay because clearly

444
00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:06,200
Speaker 2: they're in love.

445
00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:08,880
Speaker 6: They're in love. It's love at first sight. But even

446
00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:12,040
Speaker 6: that scene, like it goes relatively well for them, right.

447
00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:15,240
Speaker 2: It's like there's moments like they're still attached to the

448
00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:18,120
Speaker 2: you know, the charging cables or whatever, but the force

449
00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:19,840
Speaker 2: is with them now, I tell you who the force

450
00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:23,240
Speaker 2: is absolutely not within this situation Cassie and angel. I

451
00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:28,040
Speaker 2: love how bad he is at doing this because it's

452
00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:31,800
Speaker 2: so realistic to like how rebellions work, what revolution is.

453
00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:33,400
Speaker 6: He gets into this ti fire that.

454
00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:35,639
Speaker 2: He's supposed to be taking to say, hey, this is

455
00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:38,159
Speaker 2: a test, this is what they're doing now, but he

456
00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:40,080
Speaker 2: never considers that he won't know how to fly it.

457
00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:41,800
Speaker 6: And then he gets in and he's like, Oh, what

458
00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:42,520
Speaker 6: the fuck is this?

459
00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:45,760
Speaker 2: And I loved the moment and I got to see

460
00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:47,399
Speaker 2: this scene on the big screen, and I have to

461
00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:50,040
Speaker 2: say it was it was yelling in my ear, my

462
00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:53,040
Speaker 2: fucking head voice was like why didn't they release this

463
00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:54,919
Speaker 2: in the movie there? Why didn't they release this in

464
00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:57,040
Speaker 2: the movie there? And I do believe that in another

465
00:22:57,119 --> 00:22:59,879
Speaker 2: exact choice is probably at some point they did probably

466
00:22:59,920 --> 00:23:02,240
Speaker 2: a conversation about whether this could be like an event

467
00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:05,760
Speaker 2: style movie release, which I think could have worked. But

468
00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:08,200
Speaker 2: we have Disney Plus and they need they need people

469
00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:09,320
Speaker 2: to join Disney Plus.

470
00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:11,359
Speaker 4: And I haven't had a lot of success release.

471
00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:14,520
Speaker 6: No, they haven't yet television, they haven't yet found it.

472
00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:17,080
Speaker 2: But I just for me, I thought that scene obviously

473
00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:19,199
Speaker 2: looked like I texted the group and was like, this

474
00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:22,240
Speaker 2: show looks like a million bucks. Every single moment is

475
00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:25,320
Speaker 2: on the screen and it hooks in your classic Star

476
00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:28,040
Speaker 2: Wars viewer, because I think what is really interesting is

477
00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:31,360
Speaker 2: they open the episode and they open this big opening

478
00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:36,359
Speaker 2: scene with him in you know, a black Stormtrooper costume, Like,

479
00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:37,920
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's a death Trooper. I don't

480
00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:39,240
Speaker 2: know what version it is. I don't know if it's

481
00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:41,840
Speaker 2: just like an early Stormtrooper or I guess it's a

482
00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:43,280
Speaker 2: Stormtrooper pilot costume.

483
00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:46,640
Speaker 6: But this motherfucker. Look, you're like, whoa, isn't this meant

484
00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:47,240
Speaker 6: to be our hero?

485
00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:48,040
Speaker 4: Shit?

486
00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:49,120
Speaker 6: Like he's and if you.

487
00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:51,199
Speaker 2: Don't know the first season very well, you might be

488
00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:53,800
Speaker 2: completely shocked. And I think that's a first hook. And

489
00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:57,600
Speaker 2: then you get this unbelievable crash where he's just smashing

490
00:23:57,720 --> 00:23:59,480
Speaker 2: up the space and he has to get out through

491
00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:03,000
Speaker 2: just brute force of shooting the cannon, and it really

492
00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:05,080
Speaker 2: gave me that feeling of like, by the end of this,

493
00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:07,400
Speaker 2: you know, fifty to twenty minutes, you're cheering for him.

494
00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:09,680
Speaker 2: You're like, yeah, go for it, man, you can do it.

495
00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:11,840
Speaker 2: Do I think they keep up that momentum for the

496
00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:15,320
Speaker 2: whole three first three episodes, But I do think that

497
00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:19,040
Speaker 2: that that is, to me, the reason I've been recommending

498
00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:20,960
Speaker 2: this to everyone, because I'm like, even if you don't like,

499
00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:24,479
Speaker 2: you know, your standard long form Star Wars storytelling, if

500
00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:26,320
Speaker 2: you're more of a like let's just get to it.

501
00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:27,040
Speaker 6: What's going on.

502
00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:29,960
Speaker 2: The three episode release does that, and that scene at

503
00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:34,520
Speaker 2: the beginning is such an unbelievable visual feast that I

504
00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:36,800
Speaker 2: think that is the one that really got me excited.

505
00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:40,080
Speaker 5: That ship is also such a great symbol of the

506
00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:42,760
Speaker 5: power of the Empire to start, like, without giving you

507
00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:45,840
Speaker 5: any additional information on the Empire, to be like, as

508
00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:48,320
Speaker 5: difficult as it is for him to escape, it's not

509
00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:50,320
Speaker 5: that hard for him to learn the ship exactly and

510
00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:54,440
Speaker 5: take out so many people so fat You're like, this

511
00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:58,360
Speaker 5: is one ship he is actively learning how to use,

512
00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:01,520
Speaker 5: and he does so much destruction and still gets away

513
00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:04,280
Speaker 5: and wins. They're fucked, Like, how are you supposed to

514
00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:07,200
Speaker 5: go up against an army of this is incredible. I'd

515
00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:08,840
Speaker 5: love that opening scene boot.

516
00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:11,240
Speaker 8: And the seat reclines, which is the height of luxury.

517
00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:16,040
Speaker 2: So you know, obviously I'm climbing right now in my

518
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:19,679
Speaker 2: Eternals gaming chag guys, And I know Marvel did not

519
00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:20,320
Speaker 2: send it to me.

520
00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:21,600
Speaker 6: I bought it on clearance.

521
00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:24,720
Speaker 2: Marvel send me all your old Eve, your Eternals merch

522
00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:26,000
Speaker 2: that I know nobody else is buying.

523
00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:27,800
Speaker 8: Well for me.

524
00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:31,520
Speaker 7: I think the wedding scene is the obvious response to

525
00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:34,119
Speaker 7: this question for me, like which scene looks like a

526
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:38,920
Speaker 7: million bucks? Where's the price tag? But since Joel already

527
00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:41,399
Speaker 7: picked that, I also want to throw in Mina raw.

528
00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:43,600
Speaker 8: Akaka Big Wheat.

529
00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:47,320
Speaker 7: I thought all the scenes on Big Wheat were really gorgeous,

530
00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:49,600
Speaker 7: like the sprawling wheat fields that you can see all

531
00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:52,639
Speaker 7: the way to the horizon. This like warm color palette,

532
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:57,000
Speaker 7: the like grungey but simple like homesteads and shops that

533
00:25:57,040 --> 00:26:01,080
Speaker 7: they're all living in, the beautiful silos. It's all kind

534
00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:03,399
Speaker 7: of like very cozy and idyllic, and y'all compared it

535
00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:06,280
Speaker 7: to Stardo Valley, which I think is perfectly apt in

536
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:10,080
Speaker 7: your recap. It looks like a simple life on this planet,

537
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:13,159
Speaker 7: your work, you participate in your community. I can I

538
00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:17,640
Speaker 7: imagine generations and farmers lived on Mina raw So even

539
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:21,119
Speaker 7: that sequence and that scene and those scenes on that

540
00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:22,920
Speaker 7: planet were absolutely gorgeous.

541
00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:24,200
Speaker 6: I totally agree.

542
00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:25,600
Speaker 2: And you know this is going to maybe sound like

543
00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:28,960
Speaker 2: a random comparison, But when I saw Sinners, which you

544
00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:32,480
Speaker 2: should all go and see, it's amazing. When I saw

545
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:35,560
Speaker 2: it the imax, I immediately thought about and Or and

546
00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:38,120
Speaker 2: the scenes on Big Weight, because there are these moments

547
00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:42,359
Speaker 2: that Ryan Coogle are in a cinematographer just showcase just

548
00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:46,960
Speaker 2: a landscape, but it tells you so much about the

549
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:49,160
Speaker 2: story and where we are and what.

550
00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:49,840
Speaker 6: People are doing.

551
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:52,720
Speaker 2: And I feel like the way that Tony Gilroy shoots

552
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:55,679
Speaker 2: Big Wheat especially, is like, look at this, this is

553
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:58,000
Speaker 2: what it could be. This is how they have been living.

554
00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:01,240
Speaker 2: It's peaceful, it's calm. There's a version of life where

555
00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:03,520
Speaker 2: you can hide from the Empire and still do great stuff.

556
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:06,520
Speaker 2: And obviously, you know, we see that disrupted by the Empire.

557
00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:09,120
Speaker 2: But I love that sequence and I thought they did

558
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:11,720
Speaker 2: such a good job of reintroducing us to characters like

559
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:15,760
Speaker 2: Will and Bigs and see it like showing us where

560
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:17,480
Speaker 2: they're at. You know, Jason, how about you? What was

561
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:18,600
Speaker 2: your big money scene?

562
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:20,520
Speaker 5: Gosh?

563
00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:23,080
Speaker 1: I do I think the wedding as well. You know,

564
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:24,960
Speaker 1: I don't think we've ever seen anything like that in

565
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:27,879
Speaker 1: Star Wars. There's been a lot of music, obviously, like

566
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:34,119
Speaker 1: a dull back to you know, Episode four, Cantena scene,

567
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:38,040
Speaker 1: Return of the Jedi, the wonderful party in the in

568
00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:42,199
Speaker 1: the gigantic redwood trees of end Or. There's always been

569
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:45,840
Speaker 1: these kind of party scenes, but there's never been one that,

570
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:50,840
Speaker 1: you know, like I think looked and felt like this.

571
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:52,080
Speaker 1: This is m.

572
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:54,040
Speaker 5: It.

573
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:57,520
Speaker 1: First of all, the music was legitimately great. The dance

574
00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:00,200
Speaker 1: two there's like a there you know there, there's a

575
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:04,240
Speaker 1: there's a thing that Mon is doing here where she's

576
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:07,520
Speaker 1: under stress. She's having to deal with the outcome of

577
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:13,400
Speaker 1: this really tough decision she made the results of her

578
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:16,879
Speaker 1: money laundering in order to send funds to the rebellion,

579
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:19,920
Speaker 1: which ended up with her having to offer her daughter's

580
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:22,840
Speaker 1: hand in marriage, and this she doesn't want to do,

581
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:29,359
Speaker 1: and she's under tremendous stress. There's multiple undercover rebel spies

582
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:36,199
Speaker 1: and imperial figures at this wedding, Like that is you know,

583
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:39,440
Speaker 1: I think anybody that's ever been in a room with

584
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:45,920
Speaker 1: your current partner and an ex or your or your situation,

585
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:48,920
Speaker 1: or your current partner and someone you hooked up with,

586
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:51,080
Speaker 1: or two people that you hooked up with who don't

587
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:55,840
Speaker 1: know about each other, can only imagine the fraction of

588
00:28:55,880 --> 00:29:02,320
Speaker 1: the stress that Mon is feeling with figures who if

589
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 1: they talk, could result in like interrogation and death. For

590
00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:10,480
Speaker 1: you know, a dozen people in this room, including like

591
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:13,280
Speaker 1: her love ones like this is incredibly stressful and for.

592
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:15,880
Speaker 4: Losing their absolute ship.

593
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:19,640
Speaker 6: Well, yeah he's not. He's in my enemy list for

594
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:20,440
Speaker 6: this show, Tay.

595
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:25,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, well let me tell you I have empathy for TA.

596
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:28,080
Speaker 1: But that's true. Later he helped, he really did help

597
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:31,880
Speaker 1: them out. And now he's like, hey, I'm the only

598
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:35,000
Speaker 1: one without a fucking raincoat in and it's storming.

599
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:39,120
Speaker 5: And that's what you think. Or you get into these situations, Tay,

600
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:45,640
Speaker 5: you can't contra just just i mean charged into this

601
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:48,320
Speaker 5: to help, which is lovely. Thank you, they needed your help,

602
00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:51,080
Speaker 5: But then you didn't build any protection for yourself.

603
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 4: The deal is over, I mean loudly, just to anyone, I.

604
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:59,440
Speaker 1: Will say that I have Again, I'm not saying that

605
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:02,360
Speaker 1: I I'm just saying that I have empathy for the game.

606
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:05,040
Speaker 7: He helped get it too. When your childhood crushed, man,

607
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:07,120
Speaker 7: Mathma shows up with a request, you just say.

608
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:08,760
Speaker 4: Do it help?

609
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:13,240
Speaker 1: And then you know surely she doesn't. She doesn't share

610
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:16,360
Speaker 1: all the details about what was happening. And then as

611
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:19,479
Speaker 1: he begins to kind of glean the danger he's in,

612
00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:23,040
Speaker 1: he's sitting there going, well, wait a second, you've got

613
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:23,920
Speaker 1: your people.

614
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:24,400
Speaker 4: Backing you up.

615
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:29,440
Speaker 1: Davel Skolden is a fucking active warlord in the galaxy.

616
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:33,280
Speaker 1: He's fine, like I'm just take Homo like out here,

617
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:35,240
Speaker 1: like what's for me? So I get his wife.

618
00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:37,240
Speaker 2: His wife left them, which I do think they kind

619
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:40,440
Speaker 2: of imply is because of this reconnection with.

620
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:42,400
Speaker 6: Ma We and Mon.

621
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:45,680
Speaker 1: Will listen, Mon feels terrible that she put it in.

622
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:50,040
Speaker 1: She's not just terrified that that Tay could blow everything

623
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:54,520
Speaker 1: up with this very hamhanded attempted extortion that he's very

624
00:30:54,800 --> 00:31:00,520
Speaker 1: lightly unhurling, right, but also the fact that that she

625
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 1: did put him in this but like she reached out

626
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:06,400
Speaker 1: to a friend and put them under the executioner's block.

627
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 1: She did that, so she's feeling terrible about it.

628
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:11,040
Speaker 2: That was one when she didn't know, like she was

629
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:13,360
Speaker 2: not aware of what the rebellion was really about. She

630
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 2: hadn't got a handstudy, and we start to see how

631
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 2: kind of more coming from her.

632
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:21,719
Speaker 1: Hands have been getting progressively dirtier. So she's there's an

633
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:26,960
Speaker 1: aspect to this for a different this is a different conversation,

634
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 1: but like there is an aspect of idealism and recklessness

635
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:32,400
Speaker 1: that you need to have to enter into this kind

636
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:37,600
Speaker 1: of ongoing concern. That said, the when Mom breaks into

637
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 1: the dance and kind of is like, you know what,

638
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 1: for the next fifteen minutes, I'm gonna I'm gonna dip

639
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:48,720
Speaker 1: into Parent's energy, the one who is like, you know,

640
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:51,800
Speaker 1: like from parent. I have empathy for him.

641
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 4: I get it.

642
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:57,920
Speaker 1: It's like his perspective is his perspective is, Hey, we're rich.

643
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:03,560
Speaker 1: Why are we getting in with anything troubling? Why not shossle?

644
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 4: But I understand why not?

645
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:10,720
Speaker 1: Just got to fuck up and enjoy our money. It's

646
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:13,840
Speaker 1: not my neck, it's not our neck, it's not our

647
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:17,480
Speaker 1: daughter's neck. Let's just sit back. It's terrible what's going on.

648
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 2: But look at how much we have to lose Jason's

649
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:23,280
Speaker 2: classic for this season we go to add the classic

650
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:26,400
Speaker 2: disclaim obviously no relevance that to anything in real life.

651
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 4: Anyway, all.

652
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:33,000
Speaker 1: I was, we're going to share the list later, but

653
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 1: I made a list on letterbox of films that I

654
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:39,560
Speaker 1: think have influenced and or or at least in the

655
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 1: same kind of vibe as and Or in season one

656
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:43,960
Speaker 1: and two. One of them is a doctor Renner called

657
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:47,200
Speaker 1: The Sorrow and the Pity about the French resistance in

658
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:52,200
Speaker 1: World War Two, and uh, you know, one of the things,

659
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:56,320
Speaker 1: one of the Resistors talks about how the people who

660
00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:58,920
Speaker 1: it was, the blue collar people, the working people who

661
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:00,800
Speaker 1: would give you the shirt off back and help you

662
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:02,880
Speaker 1: and hide the guns and do all these things. It

663
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:05,959
Speaker 1: was the people who had something to lose that you

664
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 1: had a lot of trouble getting to help you. And

665
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 1: I think and that really resonated, like that's that's Peren.

666
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:15,600
Speaker 1: He has got too much to lose in his mind.

667
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 1: And I get it.

668
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:18,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I understand, and he's worked in his you know,

669
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:21,280
Speaker 2: it's like why put ourselves at risk? Well this actually

670
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:24,440
Speaker 2: sets up our next question perfectly, which is that? And

671
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:25,960
Speaker 2: we kind of touched on it because for me, I

672
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:28,960
Speaker 2: think Mon is that like mon'stance is definitely up there.

673
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:31,239
Speaker 2: But for you guys were like that, what was the

674
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:34,400
Speaker 2: moment that was like the biggest emotional gut punch? Like

675
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:38,480
Speaker 2: what was it that kept that kind of went Oh, like,

676
00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:40,600
Speaker 2: you're watching it, you're into it, you're vibing on the

677
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:43,200
Speaker 2: tie fighters, you're looking at the wedding, But what was

678
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:44,960
Speaker 2: that moment where you were like, oh shit, I can

679
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:47,720
Speaker 2: remember like the power of this show A boo, who

680
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 2: is your what's your biggest gut punch moment? The moment

681
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:52,560
Speaker 2: that kind of really hooked you in on that emotional

682
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 2: level of what this show can do. Uh.

683
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:57,240
Speaker 7: I definitely had a couple of ones that I was

684
00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:00,560
Speaker 7: tossing around in response to this question, but the one

685
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:02,959
Speaker 7: I'm gonna go with happens in episode three. It's that

686
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 7: short scene where Mon is talking to her daughter before

687
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:11,400
Speaker 7: they enter the circle and do the like traditional official

688
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 7: whatever wedding ceremony thing, and Man tells her daughter that

689
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:17,440
Speaker 7: she doesn't have to go through with this, that they

690
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:20,359
Speaker 7: can walk through that door and just tell everybody that

691
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:28,000
Speaker 7: wedding it's delayed, and h For some reason, I found

692
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:31,800
Speaker 7: that really really touching, like it speaks to Man's characters

693
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:34,359
Speaker 7: so much, because I feel for her like she is

694
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:39,239
Speaker 7: in this family the only rebel, the only person that

695
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:41,319
Speaker 7: can like look at the status quo, that can look

696
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:45,040
Speaker 7: at all this pomp and circumstance and chandrill and tradition

697
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:48,440
Speaker 7: around her and go, we don't fucking need this, Like there,

698
00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 7: we can do away with all of this in much

699
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:53,920
Speaker 7: the same way that like thematically, and she's like, we

700
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:56,040
Speaker 7: can do away with the empire, like we don't need

701
00:34:56,080 --> 00:35:00,400
Speaker 7: this status quo and sticking to tradition and seeking to

702
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:02,319
Speaker 7: what we know, is it maybe always the right path?

703
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:07,360
Speaker 7: And in fact, she even tells Leita that if we

704
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:09,359
Speaker 7: go out there and call off this wedding right now,

705
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:13,279
Speaker 7: that it will quote be remembered as a great act

706
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 7: of bravery, which could be said about many of many

707
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:19,240
Speaker 7: acts by many rebels over the course of Star.

708
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 8: Wars against the Empire.

709
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:23,960
Speaker 7: Right. Yeah, And so I really resonated with Mon here,

710
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:26,239
Speaker 7: not necessarily as a mother speaking to her daughter, but

711
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:30,400
Speaker 7: as sort of the outcast of the family. Maybe everyone

712
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 7: in your family thinks you're crazy for thinking differently, mm hmm.

713
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:35,240
Speaker 8: I felt that I think.

714
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:37,479
Speaker 6: That touches on are really good.

715
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:39,360
Speaker 2: My one I have like a I have a couple

716
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:41,839
Speaker 2: of split ones, but but one I think the one

717
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:43,840
Speaker 2: that really made me kind of like catch my breath

718
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:47,200
Speaker 2: was actually in the first episode, I believe, which is

719
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:51,040
Speaker 2: when Liita has the argument with her future husband he

720
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:53,080
Speaker 2: won't hold her hand, he's like a kid. She kind

721
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:55,759
Speaker 2: of has this romantic ideal of what it should be

722
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:58,520
Speaker 2: this wedding, obviously because she has seen it points her

723
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:01,360
Speaker 2: parents be in love and those kind of people. But

724
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:04,400
Speaker 2: the thing that got me is just when Mon says

725
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:08,279
Speaker 2: she's just like I'm sorry, and I think it was

726
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:11,960
Speaker 2: the nature of a sincere apology from an adult to

727
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:13,280
Speaker 2: a child, which we never.

728
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:13,760
Speaker 6: Get to see.

729
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 2: But also in that moment, the apology is so weighted

730
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:20,160
Speaker 2: because she's actually not apologizing because they don't get along.

731
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:24,080
Speaker 2: She's apologizing because I fucking sold you into this marriage

732
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:26,440
Speaker 2: to help these other people who I would.

733
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:29,240
Speaker 6: Probably never meet. And there was so much in that moment,

734
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:29,920
Speaker 6: so much.

735
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:33,000
Speaker 2: In that I'm sorry that that really caught me and

736
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:35,000
Speaker 2: I thought about it a lot the rest of the episodes.

737
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:35,840
Speaker 6: Joelle, how about you.

738
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:39,319
Speaker 5: Yeah, So if the full circle moments for Mon are devastating,

739
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:44,720
Speaker 5: like her whole thing about her mother, you know, being drugs,

740
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:46,920
Speaker 5: she I just I just now understand, like why my

741
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:50,400
Speaker 5: mother's behaving'sway at my own wedding. The b is a

742
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:52,920
Speaker 5: brave act almost read to me as like a wish

743
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:54,759
Speaker 5: Mon Mathma had been brave enough to do on her

744
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 5: wedding day, you know, like she's coming to these complete

745
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:03,960
Speaker 5: full conclusions about everything in her life, about her status

746
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 5: as a rebel, like what it means, like what that

747
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:08,919
Speaker 5: actual sacrifice is going to have to look like on

748
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:12,440
Speaker 5: she has like these come toutment with her husband it's

749
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:13,239
Speaker 5: like not cheating on you?

750
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 4: What are you talking about?

751
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:15,160
Speaker 6: Like that's crazy, like she is.

752
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:19,480
Speaker 5: She's like, I'm in a rebellion. That's the deception that

753
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 5: you're sensing. It's not cheating.

754
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:25,000
Speaker 1: This trust you.

755
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:27,440
Speaker 4: Right, Like the the all of that is great.

756
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 5: I put down something and then Aaron came at me

757
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:31,960
Speaker 5: so hard with a fact that I just could. I

758
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 5: was like, I was like, since a barely acknowledged vel

759
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:38,040
Speaker 5: the tragedy. He was like, what about Bix And I

760
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:40,760
Speaker 5: was like, Nope, you're right, You're right, it's not about

761
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:45,799
Speaker 5: uh my queer love obsession was let's roll back. So

762
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:50,200
Speaker 5: I'm gonna say the the PTSD elements of Bicks' story

763
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:55,240
Speaker 5: are destroying me, like when the dream with the doctor

764
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:57,719
Speaker 5: and her, she's waking up in bed and he's like,

765
00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 5: that's so terrifying. And then to be without you know,

766
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:08,680
Speaker 5: and Or who you know. We talked about this before

767
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:11,040
Speaker 5: we started recording. There's not a kiss when and Or

768
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 5: and Bixed reunite, but there is a love connection if you.

769
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:17,440
Speaker 2: There is a hug, there's a you're so happy to

770
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:18,719
Speaker 2: see that person hug.

771
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:19,000
Speaker 8: Yeah.

772
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:21,000
Speaker 5: I would leave at one point, Andor calls her his

773
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:22,800
Speaker 5: home and so I was just gonna say, like the

774
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:27,720
Speaker 5: everything Bix goes through and then to be attacked again

775
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:32,920
Speaker 5: by the Empire in a way that if you're a woman,

776
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:34,920
Speaker 5: is almost mundane, Like you know what I mean, Like

777
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:36,240
Speaker 5: she's a beautiful woman alone.

778
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:41,080
Speaker 2: Agree, I agree. I actually found to me the assault

779
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:43,399
Speaker 2: I could have done without it. I think that the

780
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 2: thing that really scared me and that we talked about

781
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:49,600
Speaker 2: on the podcast is just the guy showing up at

782
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:52,880
Speaker 2: her door and being like, I'm aware you're alone, and

783
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:56,240
Speaker 2: there's nothing you can do about this. And if I

784
00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:58,680
Speaker 2: if you don't agree to consensually like go to the

785
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:00,840
Speaker 2: bar with me, I can just whatever I want to.

786
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 6: I can kill you.

787
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:02,360
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, the.

788
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 5: I will force you to do this is so swift

789
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:12,799
Speaker 5: and genuinely terrifying. It again very mundane and does not

790
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:15,359
Speaker 5: a galaxy bar for away needs happen like it is.

791
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:17,879
Speaker 5: It is very in your face for her to get

792
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:19,600
Speaker 5: her lick back so soon I was, I was on

793
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:21,160
Speaker 5: the same fence with you, Rosie.

794
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:23,840
Speaker 7: Of just it's also with the additional subtext in that

795
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:28,960
Speaker 7: scene that he is pretty aware that she's probably undocumented

796
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 7: as well. So even the additional subtext of like I

797
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:34,840
Speaker 7: have power over you because I know you have no incourse.

798
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:37,000
Speaker 7: You can't even do anything about this.

799
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:40,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, just not to interrupt, but just to say I

800
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:42,319
Speaker 1: think that one of the I think one of the

801
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 1: what that made me think of that particular interaction, with

802
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:54,040
Speaker 1: multiple interactions with that Imperial squad leader, is it. You

803
00:39:54,080 --> 00:40:00,080
Speaker 1: know what, at a certain point people joined to do that.

804
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:04,080
Speaker 1: You know they will join when you learn that you

805
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 1: can join an organization that lets you have complete power

806
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 1: over other people. Nobody's really looking at what's happening. You know,

807
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:15,839
Speaker 1: you just kind of like snatch people, disappear them. There's

808
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:19,600
Speaker 1: no logs, there's no nothing. The people who want to

809
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:22,400
Speaker 1: do that are drawn to that life. And that's what

810
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:25,719
Speaker 1: the Empire is now on a lot of levels, is

811
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 1: people who want to do that.

812
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:28,000
Speaker 8: Yeah.

813
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:29,759
Speaker 5: And I think my big concern coming off because I

814
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:33,360
Speaker 5: had to say, like we've for sure seen through throughout

815
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:37,680
Speaker 5: the history of film and television sexual assault against women

816
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:40,839
Speaker 5: being used as plot devices for guys to get their

817
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:44,840
Speaker 5: lick back, to make us empathetic to women or whatever.

818
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:48,719
Speaker 5: I think Tony has a more deft pen. I do worry.

819
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:51,480
Speaker 5: I can't have BIGS being a punching bag all season

820
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 5: like that.

821
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:54,360
Speaker 6: She has to ship back together.

822
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:56,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, like whatever that means for her, there has to

823
00:40:56,920 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 5: be healing and and I'm moving on from this point

824
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:03,919
Speaker 5: to some degree because I just I my poor soul

825
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:07,759
Speaker 5: can't handle it. And it's also it's just to me,

826
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:09,799
Speaker 5: that's an important element of the rebellion. I'll put it

827
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:12,040
Speaker 5: that way. To me, like, if this is a constant

828
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:14,200
Speaker 5: thing that women go through, whether we're in a chaotic

829
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:17,080
Speaker 5: time or not, and we know that it is, then

830
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 5: but we also know how many if you know, women

831
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 5: come back, they fight back, they find the ground. We

832
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 5: just we need that arc for her or it's going

833
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:27,759
Speaker 5: to be very disappointing. So that's a yeah, that all

834
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:30,839
Speaker 5: of that storyline was incredible, But thank god she got

835
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:33,920
Speaker 5: to kill that guy. How satisfying fucking cop guy who

836
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:34,520
Speaker 5: came in and.

837
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:38,359
Speaker 4: Was like wa talked too awful. Yeah, we should probably

838
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:40,920
Speaker 4: also very quickly just mention brass. So getting shot right

839
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:42,239
Speaker 4: to that man, RP.

840
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:43,960
Speaker 1: That man he did a lot.

841
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:47,280
Speaker 6: He should never have got shot, Jon, hero of Pheris.

842
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:49,400
Speaker 2: Was there any other moments we didn't touch on that

843
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 2: kind of caught you in that way? And how'd you

844
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:52,760
Speaker 2: think in like this show still has the juice.

845
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:55,800
Speaker 1: Well, there's so many there's so many themes and things

846
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:58,680
Speaker 1: in the show and interactions and scenes that I just

847
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:02,440
Speaker 1: think about on a as a person who cares deeply

848
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:04,920
Speaker 1: about the world and reads a lot. And I think

849
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:07,160
Speaker 1: one of them, even though I shit on them through

850
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:10,960
Speaker 1: our recap, was the scene of the the infighting, the

851
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:15,040
Speaker 1: rebel infighting, because it's you know, it's something I think

852
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:19,040
Speaker 1: about so much as a person who's been to a

853
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:25,799
Speaker 1: lot of protests over my adult life and has experienced

854
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:31,080
Speaker 1: like these kind of debates where rather than fighting the

855
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:36,040
Speaker 1: enemy in front of you, you're fighting each other over

856
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:39,719
Speaker 1: small Now I don't want to say small over details

857
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:43,040
Speaker 1: that are unimportant. If you don't defeat the enemy. There

858
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:48,960
Speaker 1: is no conversation about how we can shape the world

859
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:53,440
Speaker 1: after the empire if you don't get to after the empire.

860
00:42:53,880 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 1: And so that scene of these like young idealistic rebels

861
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:04,760
Speaker 1: scrapping with each other, shooting at each other, like arguing

862
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:09,320
Speaker 1: about bullshit, not knowing what they're doing, it really resonated.

863
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:12,719
Speaker 1: And I think part of the thing about resistance that

864
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:16,160
Speaker 1: I think is necessary, that this I think this show

865
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:21,120
Speaker 1: is saying is necessary, is like an amount of recklessness,

866
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:26,680
Speaker 1: because if you are a rational person like paren, then

867
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 1: you say, I don't want to go to jail. I

868
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:31,359
Speaker 1: don't want to lose everything. I don't want to lose

869
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:33,279
Speaker 1: my job. I don't want to lose my friends. I

870
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:34,760
Speaker 1: don't want to die. I don't want to get executed.

871
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:37,920
Speaker 1: I don' want to get interrogated. Let's just like for

872
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:41,279
Speaker 1: allow the rules and okay, So what you need is

873
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:44,239
Speaker 1: people who go, I can't stand this so much that

874
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 1: I have to do something. And those are the people

875
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:49,239
Speaker 1: who are you're gonna end up with, right like that

876
00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:53,279
Speaker 1: are first going to enter your barracks as recruits or

877
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 1: the people who like, I can't stand this anymore, I

878
00:43:57,160 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 1: have to do something. And the fact is those people

879
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:05,920
Speaker 1: are are sometimes unstable, like sometimes they don't know what

880
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:10,839
Speaker 1: they're doing. They don't have a fully formed ideological worldview.

881
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:14,719
Speaker 1: They just know that they hate this and they want

882
00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:18,239
Speaker 1: to fight. And what you get is this like infighting.

883
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:18,440
Speaker 4: Now.

884
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:20,400
Speaker 1: The issue is that I think about a lot in

885
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:23,920
Speaker 1: our real world is like, how come we need that level?

886
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:28,719
Speaker 1: Just uh, it seems to devour its own and then

887
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:31,719
Speaker 1: nobody ever rises from that to be like to be

888
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:34,759
Speaker 1: able to like actually lead a group, and so it's

889
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:39,120
Speaker 1: interesting to watch Cassie and I think kind of struggle

890
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:42,320
Speaker 1: with this, Like he could be the leader of these kids,

891
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:45,120
Speaker 1: right He's telling them, here, do this, it's rain and

892
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:47,840
Speaker 1: collect water all these things, but he also like doesn't

893
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:50,080
Speaker 1: want to. He's like, you guys are fucking annoying. You

894
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:50,520
Speaker 1: guys are.

895
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:54,319
Speaker 5: Idiots, exactly such a side that part. It'd be such

896
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:56,319
Speaker 5: a side quest for him that he just completely throw

897
00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 5: them off mission. And on top of that, there's no

898
00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:01,719
Speaker 5: one here willing to capitulate. There's nobody here willing to

899
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:04,480
Speaker 5: bend the need to know you've got we're going in

900
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:06,239
Speaker 5: this direction, like we just have to go, and like

901
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:10,160
Speaker 5: that ability to coordinate and move together is such an

902
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:14,200
Speaker 5: essential element of any like group task. I mean, take

903
00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:16,160
Speaker 5: rebellion and fighting and war out of it. Like there

904
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:18,520
Speaker 5: were never going to get past this point. They couldn't

905
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:21,759
Speaker 5: agree on who to follow. It was a hot mess.

906
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 7: I also think, while we're on the topic of the

907
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 7: Yavint scenes and the the young clueless rebels, on my

908
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 7: first watch, I was kind of like, these guys are

909
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:36,759
Speaker 7: so annoying and these scenes are annoying me. But on

910
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:40,480
Speaker 7: a rewatch sort of considering the bigger themes of this story,

911
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:43,960
Speaker 7: I also wonder if these first three episodes and the

912
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:46,399
Speaker 7: purpose of that those scenes in particular is to show

913
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:49,120
Speaker 7: us like it is time for the rebellion to maybe

914
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:53,279
Speaker 7: come out of the shadows. Like having Luthan, somebody like

915
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:58,760
Speaker 7: Luthen operating different cells and total shadow secrecy will only

916
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:02,560
Speaker 7: be so effective in a rebellion in achieving the end goal.

917
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:07,640
Speaker 7: And someone like mon Mathma, some figurehead, bail organa, somebody

918
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:10,440
Speaker 7: needs to step up and come out of the shadows

919
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:13,120
Speaker 7: in order to finish the fight. This is not the

920
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:15,480
Speaker 7: way you'll finish the fight. This is how you'll start it.

921
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:19,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, the shadow what could still work under but you

922
00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:22,120
Speaker 2: just it's part of the rebellion so far, it's all

923
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:24,080
Speaker 2: of the rebellion. So I think you're right, you need

924
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:26,520
Speaker 2: that side, and I do believe that we will get

925
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:30,520
Speaker 2: to that place thinking of the timeline, But like you're right,

926
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 2: they need like a figurehead, you know, they need somebody

927
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:34,080
Speaker 2: who will can kind.

928
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:36,799
Speaker 1: This is the here's the problem, and it's I think

929
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:39,520
Speaker 1: a problem that I think people will resonate with the

930
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:45,480
Speaker 1: rebellion controls nothing. Yeah, they don't have the heights of

931
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:48,279
Speaker 1: the economy completely in they hands of the empire. They

932
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:51,279
Speaker 1: don't have the media and an ability to communicate in

933
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:55,319
Speaker 1: a safe and secure space. They're ideals what they want

934
00:46:55,360 --> 00:47:00,719
Speaker 1: to do. They can't voice an opinion anywhere. Three, they

935
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:03,200
Speaker 1: don't even they Yavin is a place right that they're

936
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:06,160
Speaker 1: hiding out it, but it's not a base yet. This

937
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:08,560
Speaker 1: is why Yavin is so important, because you need that

938
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:10,879
Speaker 1: safe space where you can gather and start to talk

939
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:13,800
Speaker 1: about things. And so what you're I think you're absolutely

940
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:15,960
Speaker 1: right aboot, like they need that. But there's also the

941
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:22,759
Speaker 1: thing of everybody's been operating underground necessarily because again, the

942
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:26,719
Speaker 1: rebellion controls nothing. They have no they have none of

943
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:29,120
Speaker 1: the resources or the control of the recess or the

944
00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:32,760
Speaker 1: gates to control of the resources that would be necessary

945
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:34,759
Speaker 1: to fight this. They don't even have gas for their

946
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:39,280
Speaker 1: fucking chips yet. So how do you get that stuff?

947
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:46,400
Speaker 1: And how do you get that stuff without getting arrested?

948
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:49,080
Speaker 1: You have to do it in these little weird cells

949
00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:51,279
Speaker 1: that are just kind of coalescing on their own, and

950
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:54,600
Speaker 1: it's a mess. And this is this is a necessary

951
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:59,120
Speaker 1: stage to it, and it just it's you know, I

952
00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:01,160
Speaker 1: think a thing that maybe a lot of people are

953
00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:03,319
Speaker 1: thinking about is like, well, how do I I hate

954
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:06,920
Speaker 1: what's going on? How do I do anything? And I think, like,

955
00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:08,960
Speaker 1: you know, I've seen other people write like this is

956
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:10,920
Speaker 1: kind of a resistance handbook, and it is in the

957
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:14,319
Speaker 1: way that like people decide I can do this one thing.

958
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:16,360
Speaker 1: So I'm going to do this and I'm not going

959
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:19,560
Speaker 1: to coordinate with anybody because that's dangerous. And that's where

960
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:22,440
Speaker 1: the rebels are now. They can't coordinate because it's dangerous,

961
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:26,480
Speaker 1: and it looks messy because it is, and hopefully they

962
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:29,719
Speaker 1: get their shit together. Let's take a quick break and

963
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:50,799
Speaker 1: regret back. Okay, world building, I think did we say

964
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:54,480
Speaker 1: in these first three episodes, Rosie that this is the

965
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:59,719
Speaker 1: best world building of Star Wars? I believe that, But

966
00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:03,319
Speaker 1: abou Joel, I'd love to hear your takes, Like, what

967
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:04,960
Speaker 1: did you think of the world building in this in

968
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:07,000
Speaker 1: these three episodes thus far? Aboo, Let's start with you.

969
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:08,840
Speaker 7: So I'm just going to call out a couple of

970
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:11,880
Speaker 7: small world building details that I really liked. I totally

971
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:13,520
Speaker 7: agree that, like this is some of the best Star

972
00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:17,200
Speaker 7: Wars world building we're getting on screen. You know, I

973
00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:19,760
Speaker 7: think there are many books that do wonderful.

974
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:20,880
Speaker 8: Star Wars world building.

975
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:25,520
Speaker 7: Yes, I want to shout out the DJ droid at

976
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:27,960
Speaker 7: the wedding. He was having a great time and he

977
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:29,680
Speaker 7: was helping everybody else have a great time.

978
00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:30,600
Speaker 8: Love it.

979
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:35,200
Speaker 2: Aaron is like, I'm seeing Yeah, It's like, finally, this

980
00:49:35,239 --> 00:49:36,279
Speaker 2: is the most important part.

981
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:37,759
Speaker 6: What did Aaron call them?

982
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:42,800
Speaker 7: Like diplow three poe three diplow po Aaron tried his best,

983
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:46,560
Speaker 7: I get it, good joke. I also really, I mean,

984
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:49,560
Speaker 7: I think a lot of the Chadrilline customs I found

985
00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:54,520
Speaker 7: really really fascinating. As Rosie you and Joel stated it,

986
00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:58,400
Speaker 7: it really connected to many aspects of Star Wars that

987
00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:00,800
Speaker 7: we can identify the braids. There was even a cutting

988
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:04,560
Speaker 7: of the braids ceremony at one moment. So I really

989
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:06,880
Speaker 7: enjoyed a lot of the chentrill and the custom of

990
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:08,840
Speaker 7: like going up the side of the mountain to this

991
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:12,200
Speaker 7: pointless little tradition. I liked a lot of that, and

992
00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:14,960
Speaker 7: I liked that the show was brave enough to just

993
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:17,839
Speaker 7: dwell on that right, like to have a very long

994
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:20,600
Speaker 7: drawn out scene where the parents and the kids who

995
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:23,439
Speaker 7: are getting married do this whole song and dance thing,

996
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:27,040
Speaker 7: and to let that scene Breathe and take take up

997
00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:30,080
Speaker 7: five minutes of an episode. I also want to shout

998
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:34,520
Speaker 7: out that I really liked seeing Deirdre and cereals apartment

999
00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:35,480
Speaker 7: and coroside.

1000
00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:39,040
Speaker 6: Yes, it's interesting. It's interesting to see this.

1001
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:41,560
Speaker 2: And I will say one of the biggest things I've

1002
00:50:41,560 --> 00:50:45,160
Speaker 2: been running through the reddits today. I've been going on

1003
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:47,799
Speaker 2: the discord like and there was a Reddit post I

1004
00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:49,359
Speaker 2: was going to bring up later, but really the point

1005
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:52,640
Speaker 2: he makes is so relevant to this reddit was a

1006
00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:56,839
Speaker 2: black Drew and the he said he gave a great

1007
00:50:56,960 --> 00:50:59,319
Speaker 2: kind of feeling about the show.

1008
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:01,120
Speaker 6: But what he said that I think is very true.

1009
00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:04,480
Speaker 2: It is just seeing the normal the lives of the

1010
00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:07,960
Speaker 2: normal people in this universe is fascinating. And I guess

1011
00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:11,560
Speaker 2: that is what seeing people's apartments, What does it look

1012
00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:12,960
Speaker 2: like if you work for the Empire?

1013
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:14,000
Speaker 6: Where do you live?

1014
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:14,440
Speaker 1: Like?

1015
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:18,160
Speaker 2: It's so interesting to me, And I think the same

1016
00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:22,040
Speaker 2: with Big Week. I think those sections of like building

1017
00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:25,200
Speaker 2: out the world are easily some of the best that

1018
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:27,880
Speaker 2: we've seen in Star Wars and definitely feel very Lucas

1019
00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:31,839
Speaker 2: like very prequels, very Lucas. Very Maybe you don't even

1020
00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:34,640
Speaker 2: think you care about this, but then you end up

1021
00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:37,520
Speaker 2: something like the DJ Droid. I'm already seeing so many

1022
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:41,040
Speaker 2: memes about that and about Mon's wedding, and.

1023
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:41,640
Speaker 4: I think.

1024
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:48,560
Speaker 2: Cyril laying on the bed getting to see Chandrilla before

1025
00:51:48,719 --> 00:51:51,319
Speaker 2: the Battle of end Or, when it's like and then

1026
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:53,600
Speaker 2: it becomes the capital of the new Republic, and seeing

1027
00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:56,320
Speaker 2: what it was like before that, and seeing Mon's life

1028
00:51:56,320 --> 00:51:58,319
Speaker 2: and the life of the people who just you know,

1029
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:00,920
Speaker 2: live and work there. I just think that stuff is

1030
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:03,239
Speaker 2: so interesting, and I do think that is one of

1031
00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:06,200
Speaker 2: the biggest things that this show gets. Right Joelle, what

1032
00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:08,680
Speaker 2: about you, What was your big world building moment that

1033
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:09,400
Speaker 2: you just loved.

1034
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:12,400
Speaker 5: I was really interested in the internal world of and Or,

1035
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:16,120
Speaker 5: if that makes sense of like the character himself, we

1036
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:20,319
Speaker 5: meet him at such an interesting time, like Okay, first

1037
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:22,960
Speaker 5: of all, shout out to Curvy Girls in Space, our

1038
00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:26,759
Speaker 5: very first one. She's amazing to start the show on

1039
00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:32,239
Speaker 5: her inauguration into the rebellion, right, Yeah, to have When

1040
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:35,480
Speaker 5: we think about when we first meet Cassian, it's in

1041
00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:39,720
Speaker 5: rogue one. He's meeting a spy. The spy's TELLINGHI, somebody's nervous,

1042
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:42,120
Speaker 5: and he's scared, and that's making and Or nervous and scared,

1043
00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:43,840
Speaker 5: and so he killed him because he's like, yeah, we

1044
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:45,040
Speaker 5: don't have time for this, and I have to flee

1045
00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:48,520
Speaker 5: from this planet. The fact that he takes time to

1046
00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:52,239
Speaker 5: stop and speak to this woman and give her not

1047
00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:56,480
Speaker 5: just encouragement, not just you know, like a little support

1048
00:52:56,480 --> 00:52:58,040
Speaker 5: ince the moment she asked him a question. She said,

1049
00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:00,600
Speaker 5: if I die tonight, was it worth it? Which is

1050
00:53:00,640 --> 00:53:03,120
Speaker 5: sort of like the ultimate question, you know, for us

1051
00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:05,800
Speaker 5: as a viewership because of where we're entering, We're asking,

1052
00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:09,319
Speaker 5: is the eventual outcome of Cassian sacrifice worth it?

1053
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:12,279
Speaker 4: You know, we understand it was worth it in.

1054
00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:15,200
Speaker 5: That our heroes later and episode four are going to

1055
00:53:15,239 --> 00:53:16,960
Speaker 5: be but we're like in the last of us space,

1056
00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:20,160
Speaker 5: which like, hmm, it's our love for Cassian that we've

1057
00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:22,160
Speaker 5: built over time. Is it going to be worthy to

1058
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:23,840
Speaker 5: us to lose him even though we know that eventually

1059
00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:26,040
Speaker 5: it works out for everybody. And so he gives us

1060
00:53:26,080 --> 00:53:28,640
Speaker 5: this line, which is this makes it worth it? This

1061
00:53:29,120 --> 00:53:32,719
Speaker 5: right now being with you being here at the moment

1062
00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:34,799
Speaker 5: you step into the circle again, We'll come back to

1063
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:37,040
Speaker 5: the idea of how important circles is. You made this

1064
00:53:37,080 --> 00:53:39,560
Speaker 5: decision long ago. The Empire cannot win You'll never feel

1065
00:53:39,640 --> 00:53:41,680
Speaker 5: right until you're doing what you can to stop them.

1066
00:53:41,719 --> 00:53:44,680
Speaker 5: You're coming home to yourself. You've become more than your fear.

1067
00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:46,480
Speaker 5: Let that protect you.

1068
00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:50,719
Speaker 2: What I love about this too, is like when he

1069
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:55,000
Speaker 2: meets Jin in the in he says to a welcome home.

1070
00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:57,319
Speaker 2: So this is part of He's like practice say, like,

1071
00:53:57,400 --> 00:53:59,839
Speaker 2: what do you say to rebels? And you're more than

1072
00:53:59,840 --> 00:54:04,040
Speaker 2: you fear is something that Nemick said to him, you

1073
00:54:04,160 --> 00:54:06,360
Speaker 2: know about when he was talking about the journals. So

1074
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:10,160
Speaker 2: I love that we're seeing Andor's life as it is

1075
00:54:10,239 --> 00:54:12,880
Speaker 2: influenced by other rebels that he has met and the

1076
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:15,040
Speaker 2: way they have made an impact on him, and then

1077
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:17,800
Speaker 2: how he is going to continue that to other young rebels.

1078
00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:19,000
Speaker 6: I think that's so amazing.

1079
00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:22,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, I just feel like we sort of removed a

1080
00:54:22,239 --> 00:54:24,600
Speaker 5: lot of the fantasy element of Star Wars, even tho

1081
00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:26,080
Speaker 5: I started this episode saying, bout like the Star Wars

1082
00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:29,360
Speaker 5: is so back in here. It like the stripping down

1083
00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:33,560
Speaker 5: of that over time, Like it makes the show so

1084
00:54:33,719 --> 00:54:37,480
Speaker 5: much more terrifying and brilliant, brilliant, And I think it

1085
00:54:37,560 --> 00:54:41,000
Speaker 5: does break the world wide open to experience not just

1086
00:54:41,640 --> 00:54:44,960
Speaker 5: the black and whites of good and evil, but like

1087
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:46,560
Speaker 5: the idea of who are you going to save in

1088
00:54:46,600 --> 00:54:48,920
Speaker 5: this moment and what can you do right here in

1089
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:49,600
Speaker 5: this space?

1090
00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:50,880
Speaker 4: I think that is.

1091
00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:55,120
Speaker 5: Just so vital to the storytelling, and it makes everything

1092
00:54:55,239 --> 00:54:57,759
Speaker 5: feel so much more like I just think you can

1093
00:54:57,800 --> 00:54:59,759
Speaker 5: feel for these care even more than you could feel

1094
00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:02,000
Speaker 5: like Lay and Lukey wanted them to get out, okay,

1095
00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:05,200
Speaker 5: but they were adventurers and heroes, and because they were

1096
00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:08,799
Speaker 5: built on that hero's journey, you know where their outcome is.

1097
00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:11,000
Speaker 5: They've already busted that wide open and so now all

1098
00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:14,200
Speaker 5: you can do is hurt and feel while you're watching

1099
00:55:14,239 --> 00:55:16,000
Speaker 5: these people do what they need to do so that

1100
00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:18,480
Speaker 5: everybody else can have a brighter future. It's devastating, but

1101
00:55:18,520 --> 00:55:20,560
Speaker 5: it's so good and I think it makes everything feel

1102
00:55:20,560 --> 00:55:21,959
Speaker 5: so much more tangible and real.

1103
00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:25,200
Speaker 7: Yeah, and speaking to the idea of this being a

1104
00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:29,200
Speaker 7: rebellion guidebook, right and Cassie and telling all of us

1105
00:55:29,239 --> 00:55:30,720
Speaker 7: that it's okay to be scared.

1106
00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:32,400
Speaker 8: It's okay that we maybe did.

1107
00:55:32,200 --> 00:55:35,839
Speaker 7: Have some good times with the Empire, but that deep down,

1108
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:40,680
Speaker 7: if you if you really feel something is wrong, doing

1109
00:55:40,719 --> 00:55:43,080
Speaker 7: something about it will be coming home to yourself that

1110
00:55:43,080 --> 00:55:44,960
Speaker 7: that will finally feel like the right thing.

1111
00:55:44,840 --> 00:55:45,680
Speaker 8: To do to me.

1112
00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:48,560
Speaker 1: That's like, is it okay that I enjoyed this? Save

1113
00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:55,239
Speaker 1: it for your therapi, save it for your therapist. But

1114
00:55:55,480 --> 00:55:57,839
Speaker 1: I get it, like we've all been there, right, but

1115
00:55:58,480 --> 00:55:59,839
Speaker 1: we're here to do a thing right.

1116
00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:00,600
Speaker 6: Doing the thing.

1117
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:02,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, I will say doing the thing.

1118
00:56:02,520 --> 00:56:04,400
Speaker 6: I do not disagree with Jason. We had quite a

1119
00:56:04,440 --> 00:56:06,360
Speaker 6: lot of fun talking about that moment on the recap.

1120
00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:08,719
Speaker 2: But I will say I think it speaks to one

1121
00:56:08,719 --> 00:56:10,640
Speaker 2: of the things I love the most in these kind

1122
00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:13,280
Speaker 2: of stories. It's very Claudia Gray Lost Stars.

1123
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:17,800
Speaker 6: It's very kind of like it's this notion of like it's.

1124
00:56:17,640 --> 00:56:20,799
Speaker 2: The clerk's conundrum that they raised in that movie, you know,

1125
00:56:21,080 --> 00:56:23,279
Speaker 2: forty years ago whenever that came out now because we're

1126
00:56:23,320 --> 00:56:26,680
Speaker 2: all old, But like, who is working on the Death Star?

1127
00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:28,480
Speaker 2: Like when they blew up the Death Star? Aren't there

1128
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:30,560
Speaker 2: a bunch of contractors there who probably don't even have

1129
00:56:30,560 --> 00:56:33,320
Speaker 2: a choice. Are there a bunch of enslaved people there working?

1130
00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:35,840
Speaker 2: Are there a bunch of children who were literally picked

1131
00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:39,279
Speaker 2: up from their planets and stolen and turned into stormtroopers?

1132
00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:43,839
Speaker 2: Like if you start thinking about the real collateral damage,

1133
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:46,680
Speaker 2: you realize that nothing is as you know, it's a

1134
00:56:46,719 --> 00:56:49,239
Speaker 2: lot more complicated than a gold medal at the end

1135
00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:52,120
Speaker 2: of a New Hope, and I mean at the end

1136
00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:54,680
Speaker 2: of her Return of the Jedi. But I also think,

1137
00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:58,719
Speaker 2: like I loved that little moment where she is aware

1138
00:56:59,400 --> 00:57:01,080
Speaker 2: that she shouldn't have been having fun because it's a

1139
00:57:01,080 --> 00:57:04,000
Speaker 2: fucking Nazi shit. But guess what, she's also a human

1140
00:57:04,040 --> 00:57:07,640
Speaker 2: being who probably like made friends with people and was

1141
00:57:07,680 --> 00:57:09,520
Speaker 2: able to make the best of what she did. And

1142
00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:12,279
Speaker 2: I think those little lines are so so real because

1143
00:57:12,280 --> 00:57:14,160
Speaker 2: it's like you said, Jason, keep that in the group chat,

1144
00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:16,880
Speaker 2: message that to your friends, like it's not you don't

1145
00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:19,960
Speaker 2: need to tell this random rebel, but luckily he is

1146
00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:21,840
Speaker 2: Cassie and Andel, and he gives you the best speech

1147
00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:23,680
Speaker 2: of your life, like you're never gonna forget that.

1148
00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:26,400
Speaker 1: I feel the same way about in terms of world

1149
00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:32,120
Speaker 1: being about For me, it's that emotional territory of Joelle

1150
00:57:32,120 --> 00:57:36,000
Speaker 1: put it best, like the in the Star Wars movies, right,

1151
00:57:36,040 --> 00:57:39,880
Speaker 1: everybody's a fucking adventure. You never ever, ever, for one

1152
00:57:39,960 --> 00:57:43,240
Speaker 1: moment get the feeling that anybody's actually afraid or nervous

1153
00:57:43,720 --> 00:57:50,920
Speaker 1: or wondering like is this gonna work? Whereas there's every

1154
00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:54,600
Speaker 1: character in this story on different levels, it's like, fuck,

1155
00:57:54,680 --> 00:57:59,360
Speaker 1: did I I didn't know that it would mean doing this? Likeman,

1156
00:57:59,560 --> 00:58:04,440
Speaker 1: is like, know what would mean? I have to be

1157
00:58:04,560 --> 00:58:08,360
Speaker 1: okay with the murder of my former boyfriend and I

1158
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:11,480
Speaker 1: just have to pretend I knew nothing about the fact

1159
00:58:11,480 --> 00:58:13,320
Speaker 1: that he's going to drop off the face of the earth,

1160
00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:17,240
Speaker 1: right this person that I cared about, Or it's it's

1161
00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:21,160
Speaker 1: this you know, imperial worker who's like, fuck, I kind

1162
00:58:21,160 --> 00:58:23,040
Speaker 1: of like liked my time here. Even though I agree

1163
00:58:23,040 --> 00:58:24,680
Speaker 1: that this is fine, I'm doing this, but like, am

1164
00:58:24,720 --> 00:58:26,280
Speaker 1: I doing the right thing? Is this going to work?

1165
00:58:26,320 --> 00:58:28,840
Speaker 1: Is this going to come back on me? Going to think?

1166
00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:29,880
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1167
00:58:29,880 --> 00:58:34,400
Speaker 1: And I think that emotional territory of what did I

1168
00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:37,480
Speaker 1: get myself into? This is the right thing? But is

1169
00:58:37,520 --> 00:58:41,640
Speaker 1: it the cost too high? Is is really really rich?

1170
00:58:41,840 --> 00:58:42,040
Speaker 2: You know?

1171
00:58:42,240 --> 00:58:45,800
Speaker 1: I think? And it's there's a moment where Luthen where

1172
00:58:46,520 --> 00:58:48,760
Speaker 1: they're talking around it. It's one of the you know,

1173
00:58:48,880 --> 00:58:52,440
Speaker 1: the tone zone pen is so good because a lot

1174
00:58:52,480 --> 00:58:54,880
Speaker 1: of times, you know, these are spies, So they're talking

1175
00:58:54,920 --> 00:58:57,040
Speaker 1: about a thing, but they're talking around it, and they're

1176
00:58:57,080 --> 00:59:01,080
Speaker 1: at the wedding and mon is saying Tayte freaking out

1177
00:59:01,320 --> 00:59:04,080
Speaker 1: he's kind of extorting me. He's suggesting that he might

1178
00:59:04,720 --> 00:59:08,479
Speaker 1: need more money or something to protect himself. I don't

1179
00:59:08,560 --> 00:59:12,760
Speaker 1: I don't know what to do. And Luthan is like, really,

1180
00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:15,080
Speaker 1: you don't know what to do. You don't know what

1181
00:59:15,080 --> 00:59:15,240
Speaker 1: to do.

1182
00:59:15,360 --> 00:59:16,680
Speaker 6: You don't you do it?

1183
00:59:17,240 --> 00:59:19,680
Speaker 1: He says, he I think he she and then she

1184
00:59:20,040 --> 00:59:23,000
Speaker 1: under picks up what he's putting down. This means you're

1185
00:59:23,560 --> 00:59:25,880
Speaker 1: your guy's gonna have to go away, like we're gonna

1186
00:59:25,880 --> 00:59:29,840
Speaker 1: have to do him in somehow. And she's like, I'm shocked,

1187
00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:32,040
Speaker 1: and he says, I'm shocked.

1188
00:59:32,120 --> 00:59:32,840
Speaker 8: You're shocked.

1189
00:59:33,160 --> 00:59:37,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's that real come to Jesus, like what

1190
00:59:37,120 --> 00:59:38,440
Speaker 1: did you think we were doing?

1191
00:59:39,360 --> 00:59:39,600
Speaker 4: You know?

1192
00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:44,000
Speaker 1: What do you what do you think? Yeah? And it's

1193
00:59:44,080 --> 00:59:50,160
Speaker 1: that real reckoning with the cost. The cost is here's

1194
00:59:50,200 --> 00:59:52,880
Speaker 1: this person that you like. You generally like this person.

1195
00:59:53,680 --> 00:59:57,160
Speaker 1: We're going to kill them to keep this whole because

1196
00:59:57,160 --> 00:59:59,360
Speaker 1: we're in it to win it. We're not in it

1197
00:59:59,400 --> 01:00:01,680
Speaker 1: to or a few hits and walk away and go

1198
01:00:01,840 --> 01:00:05,000
Speaker 1: vacation on the on the beach planet. We're here to

1199
01:00:05,160 --> 01:00:06,400
Speaker 1: actually win the thing.

1200
01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:09,120
Speaker 6: And that means we're probably never gonna see the win.

1201
01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:11,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that means a lot of other people maybe

1202
01:00:11,880 --> 01:00:13,480
Speaker 1: that you like, are not going to see the win.

1203
01:00:13,600 --> 01:00:17,240
Speaker 1: And it's those moments where characters are reckoning with the

1204
01:00:17,280 --> 01:00:20,800
Speaker 1: cost that is you've never seen that in Star Wars

1205
01:00:20,880 --> 01:00:24,480
Speaker 1: before on this level on this and maybe in the

1206
01:00:24,480 --> 01:00:26,160
Speaker 1: comics some of the comics are maybe in some of

1207
01:00:26,200 --> 01:00:29,720
Speaker 1: the books, but like not like this on the big

1208
01:00:29,920 --> 01:00:33,040
Speaker 1: on a screen where everything looks amazing, and that is

1209
01:00:33,080 --> 01:00:35,800
Speaker 1: the stuff that has really captured me about this show.

1210
01:00:35,880 --> 01:00:36,640
Speaker 8: Completely agreed.

1211
01:00:36,720 --> 01:00:39,480
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, it's it's really fantastic.

1212
01:00:39,520 --> 01:00:42,200
Speaker 2: I mean, let's look at what some some things Aaron

1213
01:00:42,280 --> 01:00:45,280
Speaker 2: thought as as as a person watching this show.

1214
01:00:49,200 --> 01:00:53,600
Speaker 3: The discord is always gang live, he cannot live.

1215
01:00:53,720 --> 01:00:55,400
Speaker 6: They love going in the discord.

1216
01:00:55,720 --> 01:00:58,400
Speaker 3: Okay, He's gonna make a point though that I think

1217
01:00:58,440 --> 01:01:00,360
Speaker 3: we're all gonna agree with it.

1218
01:00:59,680 --> 01:01:04,120
Speaker 2: Yea. Cyril's mom, Edie, the greatest Star Wars villain since Thorn.

1219
01:01:04,600 --> 01:01:06,680
Speaker 1: I I love her.

1220
01:01:06,840 --> 01:01:07,720
Speaker 4: She's incredible.

1221
01:01:11,880 --> 01:01:19,040
Speaker 5: It's the fact that she's so tactfully like it's one

1222
01:01:19,080 --> 01:01:21,400
Speaker 5: thing if you're a bit and you're just hyper unaware

1223
01:01:21,440 --> 01:01:25,360
Speaker 5: of it, but she know that and it's immediately like, Okay,

1224
01:01:25,440 --> 01:01:29,040
Speaker 5: I won't be the most annoying possible thing to Cirial like.

1225
01:01:29,680 --> 01:01:32,280
Speaker 4: You're doing this so intentionally, it's so mean.

1226
01:01:32,360 --> 01:01:35,320
Speaker 5: But I mean, listen, I have a lot of issues

1227
01:01:35,360 --> 01:01:38,320
Speaker 5: with Dada, but her getting her man's ship in order

1228
01:01:38,320 --> 01:01:41,200
Speaker 5: when he is just literally collapsing on the bed.

1229
01:01:41,880 --> 01:01:43,760
Speaker 4: He threw himself like a Victorian woman off the.

1230
01:01:47,360 --> 01:01:48,560
Speaker 1: Cyril's got the vapors.

1231
01:01:48,640 --> 01:01:52,360
Speaker 6: I've got the vapis, you know.

1232
01:01:52,600 --> 01:01:54,680
Speaker 2: I think as well, something that I thought was really

1233
01:01:54,680 --> 01:01:57,960
Speaker 2: cool at the premiere, the actressho places Dandro was like, please, guys,

1234
01:01:58,040 --> 01:02:03,080
Speaker 2: just remember she's a fascist, right, But I think that

1235
01:02:03,120 --> 01:02:07,640
Speaker 2: what Tony does so brilliantly here is shows how, you know,

1236
01:02:07,920 --> 01:02:11,680
Speaker 2: normal people inverted commas like can get a job in

1237
01:02:11,840 --> 01:02:15,760
Speaker 2: like a really boring government job that ends up becoming

1238
01:02:15,800 --> 01:02:20,080
Speaker 2: a pipeline to true fascism. And he's showing here like, hey, yeah,

1239
01:02:20,120 --> 01:02:23,439
Speaker 2: maybe this person does have relationships, maybe they have their

1240
01:02:23,480 --> 01:02:26,720
Speaker 2: own version of a moral compass whatever that is, but

1241
01:02:26,760 --> 01:02:29,560
Speaker 2: they're still a fascist. Like this is the it's you know,

1242
01:02:29,920 --> 01:02:32,320
Speaker 2: we we you know, we had a name for people

1243
01:02:32,360 --> 01:02:35,400
Speaker 2: who voted for the Nazis, that voted because they cared

1244
01:02:35,400 --> 01:02:38,480
Speaker 2: about their job, or they cared about money or blah

1245
01:02:38,520 --> 01:02:41,720
Speaker 2: blah blah. And they said in Germany, Nazi it's fucking Nazis.

1246
01:02:42,480 --> 01:02:45,520
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter, You're still doing it, you know. So

1247
01:02:45,640 --> 01:02:48,320
Speaker 2: I think I think the Deirdre Edie Cyril stuff I've

1248
01:02:48,320 --> 01:02:50,919
Speaker 2: been I was surprised by how much I was into

1249
01:02:50,920 --> 01:02:52,520
Speaker 2: the Cyril storyline this season.

1250
01:02:52,640 --> 01:02:55,440
Speaker 5: Aaron dropped the letter from Windles in the Discord, which

1251
01:02:55,480 --> 01:02:57,760
Speaker 5: is pretty good, or he says, man if I'd an

1252
01:02:57,760 --> 01:03:00,200
Speaker 5: audience reaction to Dandre to be fascinating, like he is

1253
01:03:00,200 --> 01:03:03,400
Speaker 5: an unapologetic fascist from the first second we see her,

1254
01:03:03,600 --> 01:03:06,720
Speaker 5: and people, really we have a hard time processing that

1255
01:03:06,760 --> 01:03:09,120
Speaker 5: this pretty blond lady is exactly what she seems. I

1256
01:03:09,120 --> 01:03:11,040
Speaker 5: think Tony Giloa has done an amazing job playing off

1257
01:03:11,040 --> 01:03:14,640
Speaker 5: our expectations for what a fascist actually absolutely yes.

1258
01:03:14,960 --> 01:03:18,080
Speaker 2: And I also think by showing that a fascist can

1259
01:03:18,600 --> 01:03:21,720
Speaker 2: have a relationship and be in love, as fucked up

1260
01:03:21,760 --> 01:03:26,720
Speaker 2: as that relationship is, is another great reality check of like, yeah,

1261
01:03:26,760 --> 01:03:29,200
Speaker 2: somebody can feel these normal things, but they can still

1262
01:03:29,240 --> 01:03:32,880
Speaker 2: be enacting like horrific things on people around the world.

1263
01:03:33,440 --> 01:03:36,320
Speaker 1: I think part of the issue that we did, you know,

1264
01:03:36,600 --> 01:03:40,880
Speaker 1: we're bringing a real world term fascism into Star Wars, right,

1265
01:03:40,960 --> 01:03:44,000
Speaker 1: and part of the problem is that like, Okay, you

1266
01:03:44,040 --> 01:03:48,919
Speaker 1: say that someone's a fascist. It's true, they're a hard

1267
01:03:48,960 --> 01:03:53,760
Speaker 1: working government bureaucrat, okay, and you call them a fascist.

1268
01:03:54,120 --> 01:03:59,160
Speaker 1: That The problem that star Wars and Or is kind

1269
01:03:59,160 --> 01:04:03,080
Speaker 1: of like grappling in a metaw way, is like how

1270
01:04:03,080 --> 01:04:08,000
Speaker 1: do you match your words to action? Yes, because it's

1271
01:04:08,200 --> 01:04:12,640
Speaker 1: it's part of I think the problem big like capital

1272
01:04:12,720 --> 01:04:16,400
Speaker 1: letters quotes, is that we throw these terms around there

1273
01:04:16,400 --> 01:04:23,600
Speaker 1: technically correct, but because action never follows the seriousness of

1274
01:04:23,680 --> 01:04:27,439
Speaker 1: the term, everything loses meaning. And I think that's part

1275
01:04:27,440 --> 01:04:32,040
Speaker 1: of like what the what we're getting at with Deirdre.

1276
01:04:32,280 --> 01:04:34,680
Speaker 1: She's a girl boss, she's got ambition.

1277
01:04:34,480 --> 01:04:39,880
Speaker 2: She's doing a thing in a male centric landscape, and.

1278
01:04:40,000 --> 01:04:44,320
Speaker 1: She's succeeding, and she's she's like unafraid to be like

1279
01:04:44,440 --> 01:04:46,640
Speaker 1: ambitious and to be like I'm going for it, and

1280
01:04:46,680 --> 01:04:50,080
Speaker 1: those are all ideals that we like, and so it's

1281
01:04:50,160 --> 01:04:56,600
Speaker 1: hard to then match what she is to how we

1282
01:04:56,680 --> 01:05:00,880
Speaker 1: feel about what she's doing or even And I think

1283
01:05:00,920 --> 01:05:03,200
Speaker 1: part of it is that when you like to call

1284
01:05:03,240 --> 01:05:05,280
Speaker 1: someone a fascist or an imperial or whatever in this

1285
01:05:05,360 --> 01:05:11,040
Speaker 1: world is to say like it's almost like cross a

1286
01:05:11,120 --> 01:05:13,320
Speaker 1: threshold and say like now I have to stand in

1287
01:05:13,320 --> 01:05:15,480
Speaker 1: opposition to this person. When really we did. Like a

1288
01:05:15,480 --> 01:05:17,400
Speaker 1: lot of people are like parent and they don't want to.

1289
01:05:17,960 --> 01:05:18,600
Speaker 4: I don't want to.

1290
01:05:18,840 --> 01:05:21,800
Speaker 1: I'm gonna like engaging with that term means like I

1291
01:05:21,800 --> 01:05:23,080
Speaker 1: have to take a stand, and I don't want to

1292
01:05:23,080 --> 01:05:24,760
Speaker 1: take a stand. And I think a lot of like

1293
01:05:24,920 --> 01:05:29,480
Speaker 1: how people feel about Deirdre is muddled in that same way.

1294
01:05:29,520 --> 01:05:31,800
Speaker 1: And I think that's part of what makes it really interesting.

1295
01:05:31,880 --> 01:05:37,320
Speaker 1: She's got all these traits that that that we in

1296
01:05:36,960 --> 01:05:40,400
Speaker 1: real life in a more normal time with like in

1297
01:05:40,400 --> 01:05:43,600
Speaker 1: a more normal context with lawed, but she's doing it

1298
01:05:43,640 --> 01:05:47,400
Speaker 1: in service to like the worst project in the fucking galaxy.

1299
01:05:47,600 --> 01:05:49,520
Speaker 5: She's also like an empathetic character, like we get her

1300
01:05:49,560 --> 01:05:54,920
Speaker 5: backstory here, yeah with uh she was raised by the

1301
01:05:55,000 --> 01:05:57,880
Speaker 5: empire of an orphan who's raised by the empire, so

1302
01:05:57,960 --> 01:06:01,720
Speaker 5: like that shades in so much of who Deja is,

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Speaker 5: Like you understand, like, oh, this like radical devotion is

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01:06:04,520 --> 01:06:06,160
Speaker 5: like a parent, Like this is all you know. There

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01:06:06,240 --> 01:06:08,880
Speaker 5: is nothing outside of this and the only way to

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Speaker 5: prove yourself within this organization is to climb the ladder.

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Speaker 5: And she's found something that nobody else has. It's not

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Speaker 5: something she really needs to fight for other than to

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Speaker 5: like try to get this little bit of information. If

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Speaker 5: she can find her guy, her spy, then she's golden

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Speaker 5: in the eyes of the only thing that really has

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Speaker 5: value to her, or her shown value within herself. I

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Speaker 5: think that is, you know, just from a character perspective,

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Speaker 5: You're like, Wow, I love this character. I want to

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Speaker 5: follow her all over it like what she doing. And

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Speaker 5: I think maybe that's where a lot of people are

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Speaker 5: getting tripped up. I'm not sure if everyone loves Deirdre

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Speaker 5: the Fascist. I think people are interested, like, what is

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Speaker 5: this woman gonna do next?

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Speaker 4: She says, yah, yeah she is.

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Speaker 2: I will say in the last season A season one,

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Speaker 2: I was not particularly interested in several and I felt

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Speaker 2: like Deirdre was just like an antagonist, right, like she's

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Speaker 2: just hunting them down. But actually, this first three episodes

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Speaker 2: I felt like they built them both out so well

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Speaker 2: that now I am very invested in those characters and

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Speaker 2: where they will go, because there is chaos coming to

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Speaker 2: the galaxy, and these people are all living in the

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Speaker 2: incoming chaos.

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Speaker 1: Here's what's great about the serial Dear dear relationship. He's

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Speaker 1: the boot liquor and she's the boots.

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Speaker 6: Yes, yes, yes, yes, that's the truth.

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Speaker 1: That's why it works. He is this idealistic like, oh

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Speaker 1: the Empire. Wow, cool, we're hunts. I got to hunt spies.

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Speaker 1: If you do your job well and you're lucky enough,

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Speaker 1: you might get to hunt a spy too. And by

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Speaker 1: the way, my girlfriend and by the way, my girlfriend

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Speaker 1: hunts spies all the time. And yeah, and it's that

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Speaker 1: dynamic that makes them just fascinating.

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Speaker 2: Utterly fascinating to watch. I'm excited to see what happens.

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Speaker 2: Let's talk Aaron producer.

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Speaker 6: Aaron before we go, had a question and I'm sorry.

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Speaker 2: To tell you the Saron, with your pure innocent heart,

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Speaker 2: that you put this question in here. Aaron said, what

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Speaker 2: happened with Cinta and take Cob Is she still working

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Speaker 2: for Lutheran?

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Speaker 6: Do we think mon can clear that.

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Speaker 3: She's killing that mother budy assassin. She's coming killing that guy?

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Speaker 5: Do send her to kill and Or? At the end

1350
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Speaker 5: of season one, Like that's her role, That's why she

1351
01:08:25,520 --> 01:08:27,640
Speaker 5: goes back to Ferris is to kill Andor.

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Speaker 2: Which is so funny, like she's just a total badass

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Speaker 2: and obviously she's gonna kill Tay. Like sorry, guys, loose lips,

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Speaker 2: loose lips, sink ships, and in this case of even.

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Speaker 1: This suggestion of loose lips, said Tay has only merely

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01:08:43,800 --> 01:08:44,640
Speaker 1: been suggested.

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Speaker 4: Lips was flapping at the park. Guy, don't even worry

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Speaker 4: about it.

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Speaker 5: And then, well, you see who gives me the most money?

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Speaker 5: So this is you're playing the game terribly and it's

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Speaker 5: bothering me.

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Speaker 6: Yes, Jason, plug your letterbox? Where can people follow you?

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Speaker 6: I love the list you made.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna link to it in the show notes. It's

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Speaker 2: such a fucking good list. It was blowing my mind.

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Speaker 2: We've talked a lot about classic cinema. We're going to

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Speaker 2: try and keep bringing those references as the show continues,

1368
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Speaker 2: because we're sure that more of them will come. Tony

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Speaker 2: is not He's a student of cinema clearly. So yeah, Jason,

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Speaker 2: what is it? How do people follow it? What's on it?

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Speaker 1: I am just good? You know? Go to search me

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Speaker 1: on letterbox. I'm an ETW three r K on letterbox,

1373
01:09:29,040 --> 01:09:31,280
Speaker 1: or you can search my name. I made a list

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Speaker 1: called Indoor Season two Syllabus or how to Resist a Vampire.

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Speaker 1: It's got a variety of movies on there that you

1376
01:09:37,479 --> 01:09:40,800
Speaker 1: can check out. I'll give you some of them Casablanca, Roam,

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Speaker 1: Open City, a Man Escape, a lot of French on here,

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01:09:45,439 --> 01:09:50,519
Speaker 1: which I think is apt and ending with rogue one

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Speaker 1: of course, so check that out on Letterbox next week.

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Speaker 1: On ext Revision Tuesday, we're heading back to Jackson Hole

1381
01:09:57,720 --> 01:09:59,599
Speaker 1: for the third episode of the Last of Us. Wednesday

1382
01:09:59,640 --> 01:10:03,080
Speaker 1: we'll have our recap of episodes four, five and six

1383
01:10:03,280 --> 01:10:06,439
Speaker 1: command Or season two, and then Thursday, we're deep diving

1384
01:10:06,520 --> 01:10:09,840
Speaker 1: into the misfit heroes of Marvel's upcoming Thunderbolts. That's it

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Speaker 1: for this episode.

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Speaker 6: Thanks for listening, Goodbye.

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Speaker 1: X ray Vision is hosted by Jason Sepcion and Rosie

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Speaker 1: Night and is a production of iHeart Podcast.

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Speaker 2: Our executive producers are Joel Monique and Aaron Kletman.

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Speaker 1: Our supervising producer is Abu Safar.

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Speaker 2: Our producers are Common Laurent Dean Jonathan and Bay Wag.

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Speaker 1: Our theme song is by Brian Vasquez, with alternate theme

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01:10:38,560 --> 01:10:39,839
Speaker 1: songs by Aaron Kaufman.

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Speaker 2: Special thanks to Soul Rubin, Chris Lord, Kenny Goodman and

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Speaker 2: Heidi our Discord moderate them