1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:02,840 Speaker 1: Brought to you by the reinvented two thousand twelve camera. 2 00:00:03,160 --> 00:00:07,560 Speaker 1: It's ready. Are you welcome to stuff you should know 3 00:00:08,160 --> 00:00:17,079 Speaker 1: from housetop works dot com. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. 4 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:20,239 Speaker 1: I'm Josh Clark. With me is Charles W. Chuck Bryant. 5 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:23,840 Speaker 1: You could call us something of a podcast sniping team, 6 00:00:23,840 --> 00:00:27,120 Speaker 1: taking out all MPR suckers ahead of us. That would 7 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:29,760 Speaker 1: make me the spotter, which I like. Did you think 8 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:32,920 Speaker 1: so you you're the spotter? I think I think it'd 9 00:00:32,920 --> 00:00:35,280 Speaker 1: be a good sniper. Actually, I think we could reasonably 10 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:37,400 Speaker 1: trade off with that, you know, I mean, wouldn't you 11 00:00:37,800 --> 00:00:42,240 Speaker 1: eventually become envious? Like you know, I'm tired of spotting. 12 00:00:42,680 --> 00:00:46,080 Speaker 1: I want to pull the trigger. What's it like like, um, 13 00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:51,160 Speaker 1: Michael Douglas's teenage daughter in traffic thinking about shooting heroin? 14 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:53,720 Speaker 1: You know, she starts out snorting it ends up shooting 15 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:56,400 Speaker 1: it just because she's around it so much. I imagine 16 00:00:56,400 --> 00:01:00,160 Speaker 1: the same thing happens to spotters they've been so you 17 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:02,200 Speaker 1: want to kill. I would just be good on the team, 18 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:05,199 Speaker 1: you know. I can. I could lay somewhere for hours 19 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:09,520 Speaker 1: at a time without moving. I'm sneaking quieter. You're not 20 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:14,640 Speaker 1: allowed to be asleep though, Okay, yeah, it would be 21 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:17,960 Speaker 1: a problem. So, Chuck, we're talking about military snipers. I 22 00:01:17,959 --> 00:01:20,280 Speaker 1: have a slight intro for this one. Alight, it's not 23 00:01:20,319 --> 00:01:23,880 Speaker 1: really an intro. It's just an interesting fact. And I 24 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:26,000 Speaker 1: don't even know if it's true, so facts probably the 25 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:30,399 Speaker 1: wrong word. But have you ever heard the old old adage, 26 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:33,160 Speaker 1: the old superstition that you're not supposed to light three 27 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:37,000 Speaker 1: cigarettes off of one match. I've never heard that. Actually, well, 28 00:01:37,040 --> 00:01:40,000 Speaker 1: it's a superstition and it is. That's just the real thing, 29 00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:45,839 Speaker 1: And apparently it has a fairly recent origins World War One. Actually, 30 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:50,360 Speaker 1: it's that recent twentieth century um and it was based 31 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:53,240 Speaker 1: on the idea that if you're in a trench and 32 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:56,320 Speaker 1: you lit a match, you caught the attention of a sniper. 33 00:01:56,680 --> 00:01:59,520 Speaker 1: You lit your first cigarette, the sniper takes aim with 34 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:02,240 Speaker 1: the second cigarette, and then when you're lighting the third cigarette, 35 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:05,520 Speaker 1: sniper fires and that guy is dead. I like that, Yeah, 36 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:07,840 Speaker 1: I buy that, until it's bad luck to like three 37 00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:10,520 Speaker 1: smokes off of winds one match. You know, a lot 38 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:13,040 Speaker 1: of those phrase origins are military in nature. When you 39 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:15,760 Speaker 1: when you go back and look at him, and I 40 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:24,480 Speaker 1: buy that like a wall. Yeah. Yeah, that's Military's Army. Yeah, 41 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:28,160 Speaker 1: Silent Scope. Do you ever play that game? No? Is 42 00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:32,600 Speaker 1: it a sniper game? Is it good? It's great? I 43 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:35,040 Speaker 1: mean it's a stand up arcade game. I prefer the 44 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:38,920 Speaker 1: sniper rifle on um Golden Eye yep. And I play 45 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:41,680 Speaker 1: the Call of Duty game and it's to have a 46 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:43,880 Speaker 1: sniper level where you have to take out this one 47 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:46,680 Speaker 1: guy and account for the wind and all that. And 48 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:50,880 Speaker 1: it's thrilling to me as a gun hating, peace loving 49 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:54,760 Speaker 1: liberal hippie aging hippie. I still love it. Man. There's 50 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:57,399 Speaker 1: something about it that's why little boys like playing with guns. Well, 51 00:02:57,400 --> 00:03:01,000 Speaker 1: that's why you picked this article. How terry sniper's work 52 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:03,880 Speaker 1: this week? It's interesting this is a Chuck Bryant special, 53 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:06,960 Speaker 1: meaning that you picked it, not that you wrote it. Um, 54 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:11,000 Speaker 1: and uh, this was a Robert Valdi's special. Huh. This 55 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:13,240 Speaker 1: guy got to the bottom of it, interviewed an actual 56 00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:17,360 Speaker 1: former Army ranger sniper. That enhanced it a lot. I 57 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:20,440 Speaker 1: think definitely. The guy was anonymous and everything, which is 58 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:24,799 Speaker 1: pretty awesome. Yeah. So, um, let's talk about sniper's chuckers, right, 59 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:28,200 Speaker 1: there's a I guess we can we can reveal the 60 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:33,040 Speaker 1: end the button of the article, right that where the 61 00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:35,640 Speaker 1: sniper wants everyone to know, we're not just like these 62 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:39,680 Speaker 1: assassins that happens once in a while but very rarely, 63 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:43,160 Speaker 1: and we have many, many other jobs. And probably the 64 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:48,240 Speaker 1: biggest job that a sniper has is just reconnaissance, like 65 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:51,640 Speaker 1: going and gathering information by being behind enemy lines and 66 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:54,839 Speaker 1: spying on the enemy for days on end and then 67 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:58,680 Speaker 1: reporting back what they see that. And they're highly highly 68 00:03:58,720 --> 00:04:01,240 Speaker 1: trained for that. They're not just highly trained for shooting. 69 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:05,560 Speaker 1: They're highly trained observers too, yeah, big time. And but 70 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:09,440 Speaker 1: if duty calls, they can uh, if they don't have 71 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:12,640 Speaker 1: a specific assignment like to take out whatever this general is, 72 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:18,240 Speaker 1: they can't have what they call targets of opportunity, And 73 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:20,960 Speaker 1: that's when they can really take the wind out of 74 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:23,440 Speaker 1: the sales of a battalion. If all of a sudden 75 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:27,159 Speaker 1: the officers standing there, then he's not standing there, or 76 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:31,440 Speaker 1: like the communications guy goes down, or later on even 77 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:35,799 Speaker 1: some dude doing like you know, guard duty. Yeah, or equipment. 78 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:37,880 Speaker 1: We found out later in this article actually and we 79 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:40,120 Speaker 1: might as well spoil that. Yeah, this is not even 80 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:42,760 Speaker 1: a human that's a material target. Yeah, like blow up 81 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 1: their generator or their ammunition bay or just anything that 82 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:50,520 Speaker 1: would wreak havoc agree and make their job harder. And 83 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:55,440 Speaker 1: then uh, I guess also because of this effect that 84 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:59,280 Speaker 1: the effect that a sniper has is um. It's not 85 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:04,120 Speaker 1: just um physical e g. You know, blowing someone away, 86 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:08,080 Speaker 1: but it's also mental um and um. It has a 87 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:11,839 Speaker 1: real dampening effect on morale. I would imagine the psychological 88 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:14,320 Speaker 1: effect is probably pretty huge. Yeah, because you know, one 89 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:16,600 Speaker 1: of the things about snipers is that you don't know 90 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:19,480 Speaker 1: they're coming, and you don't see just all of a sudden, 91 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 1: the guy next to you is dead, and that's going 92 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:25,760 Speaker 1: to shake you, especially like you said, when there's targets 93 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:28,840 Speaker 1: of opportunity it happens randomly, or when it's like a 94 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:31,320 Speaker 1: very well chosen person like you said, like an officer, 95 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 1: somebody who's like, you know, kind of the moral spiritual 96 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:37,560 Speaker 1: leader of the team is suddenly dead. That has a 97 00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:41,800 Speaker 1: big effect, which makes UM snipers what are called force multipliers, 98 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 1: meaning just a one or two people UM can have 99 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:49,600 Speaker 1: the effect of a you know, a big platoon you know, 100 00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:53,520 Speaker 1: charging in and shooting people. Yeah, and I always say 101 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:55,240 Speaker 1: band name a lot, but if you're in a heavy 102 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 1: metal band. In your name isn't force multiplier, you might 103 00:05:57,640 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 1: want to think about changing it, Yeah, unless it's master 104 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:04,640 Speaker 1: it on. They have a good name, so yes, they 105 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 1: they're actually trained to UM, to spy on the enemy 106 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:12,920 Speaker 1: and and learn who the officers are, which is you 107 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:14,840 Speaker 1: know you've always heard you're not supposed to salute in 108 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:17,679 Speaker 1: the field of battle because it's pretty much that giveaway. 109 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:20,120 Speaker 1: But these guys are trained to look and stare and 110 00:06:20,839 --> 00:06:23,839 Speaker 1: just you can tell. They can tell at least who 111 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:26,560 Speaker 1: the higher ranks are by the way they carry themselves, 112 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:28,920 Speaker 1: by what they're doing, by the way they're acting, and 113 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:31,160 Speaker 1: they're trained to pick these people out and then pick 114 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:35,120 Speaker 1: these people off, Chuck. There's a couple of other UM assignments. 115 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:37,440 Speaker 1: I guess the sniper can land or positions that they 116 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:40,560 Speaker 1: play roles. That's the word I'm looking for. There's the 117 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:44,160 Speaker 1: famous Overwatch position where they're like up in a bell tower, 118 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:47,159 Speaker 1: clock tower or something like that with a just a 119 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:50,479 Speaker 1: three and sixty degree view of the battlefield. That's just 120 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:54,440 Speaker 1: taking people off like um prior to the Nation in 121 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:59,520 Speaker 1: Inglorious Bastards, saving Private Ryan because remember he took him 122 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:02,440 Speaker 1: out through the scope yeh, I remember only in the movies, 123 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:04,599 Speaker 1: but that was pretty cool. Yeah, only in the movies 124 00:07:04,760 --> 00:07:08,520 Speaker 1: or World War two. Um. And then that that's called 125 00:07:08,520 --> 00:07:10,640 Speaker 1: the overwatch position. I don't remember if I said they're not. 126 00:07:10,640 --> 00:07:14,320 Speaker 1: And then there's a blocking action, which is, um, basically 127 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:18,520 Speaker 1: you are again up on a roof, but instead you're 128 00:07:18,560 --> 00:07:23,480 Speaker 1: helping to defend a position rather than maybe take it. Right. Right, Yeah, 129 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:26,400 Speaker 1: you're helping out your buddies that are in the hiding 130 00:07:26,440 --> 00:07:29,440 Speaker 1: in the farmhouse below, right, because this is World War two. Right, 131 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:32,360 Speaker 1: that's exactly right. Do you want to go ahead and 132 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:37,840 Speaker 1: reveal the big secret about snipers, the supposed lone gunman? 133 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:41,560 Speaker 1: It's not true. It isn't true. Have you've seen the 134 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:44,320 Speaker 1: movie Shooter? Did you see that with Marky Mark? No, 135 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:48,440 Speaker 1: I hate him. I don't hate him. No, I don't, 136 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:52,960 Speaker 1: I I don't. I liked him in um three Kings. Yeah. Yeah, 137 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:55,040 Speaker 1: I haven't seen The Boxer yet, but I'm sure i'll 138 00:07:55,080 --> 00:08:01,040 Speaker 1: like it. The Fighter the same thing, uh, and I have. Uh. Well, yeah, well, 139 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:04,640 Speaker 1: Shooter is actually I had very low expectations and ended 140 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:07,720 Speaker 1: up being a pretty decent movie. And um it is 141 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:12,120 Speaker 1: buoyed by the great leave on Helm of the band 142 00:08:12,280 --> 00:08:15,000 Speaker 1: my favorite group ever. He's an actor in that. I 143 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:18,520 Speaker 1: thought Tom Berenger was it, No, No, No, no different movie. 144 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:22,200 Speaker 1: I think that might have been called Sniper. Tom Berenger 145 00:08:22,280 --> 00:08:25,640 Speaker 1: wasn't in that movie. So Leave Leave On Helm was 146 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:29,720 Speaker 1: the He's the old timer who who apparently had something 147 00:08:29,760 --> 00:08:34,199 Speaker 1: to do with the Kennedy assassination too. Huh oh yeah, man, 148 00:08:34,200 --> 00:08:36,760 Speaker 1: he's been in lots of movies. Boogie Knights loved him 149 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:42,640 Speaker 1: in Boogie Knights. He was awesome in that movie. Okay, okay, alright. Yes, 150 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:46,920 Speaker 1: snipers working teams always, They never ever ever go alone. 151 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:50,880 Speaker 1: It's not the way that military sniper units act. Yea. 152 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:54,880 Speaker 1: They are, um so much so that their sniper rifles 153 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:59,080 Speaker 1: are considered crew served weapons, like a you know, one 154 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:02,080 Speaker 1: of those heavy machine and it's like belt fed bullets. Yeah, 155 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:04,319 Speaker 1: it takes a defeat it bullets and one guy to 156 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:08,559 Speaker 1: shoot it. That's a crew served um A weapon. Yeah, obviously, 157 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:12,200 Speaker 1: UM so is a sniper rifle, not because it takes 158 00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:14,480 Speaker 1: two people to shoot it, but because it takes two 159 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 1: people to shoot it accurately, which is the whole point 160 00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:22,400 Speaker 1: it is. And uh a spotter is uh from what 161 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:24,560 Speaker 1: we gather sort of a sniper in training. Um, you 162 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:27,439 Speaker 1: will act as a spotter and the hopes that one 163 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:29,240 Speaker 1: day you will actually be the sniper and lead your 164 00:09:29,280 --> 00:09:31,800 Speaker 1: own team and the sniper. I mean we're calling it 165 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:35,560 Speaker 1: a team. It's two dudes, the sniper team. I'm sorry. 166 00:09:35,559 --> 00:09:38,200 Speaker 1: The sniper on the team is really the one in charge. 167 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:40,400 Speaker 1: They're the one that he's to leave on helms of 168 00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:44,680 Speaker 1: the band helm. They get the orders, uh from from 169 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:49,199 Speaker 1: the higher ups. They determine like the best route to 170 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:52,600 Speaker 1: get there, the drop off points, all that stuff, right, 171 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:54,880 Speaker 1: And I guess we should go ahead and walk through 172 00:09:54,920 --> 00:09:57,880 Speaker 1: the process because those are the first two steps. Let's 173 00:09:57,880 --> 00:10:00,720 Speaker 1: do you determine your drop off point for your objective, 174 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:02,880 Speaker 1: which isn't gonna be you know, fifty yards away from 175 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:05,840 Speaker 1: your objective. It's gonna be miles and miles away. Probably, 176 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:07,920 Speaker 1: Like a day's walk is a good bed, Yeah, you're 177 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:10,160 Speaker 1: gonna spend a day walk in there. You want to 178 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:12,719 Speaker 1: get a good setup position and and verify that you 179 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:16,040 Speaker 1: can camouflage that spot. Like, yeah, you're always thinking ahead. 180 00:10:16,760 --> 00:10:18,320 Speaker 1: When you're on your belly and you're you want to 181 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:20,840 Speaker 1: move to your second position. You don't just say all right, 182 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:22,680 Speaker 1: that looks decent over there, You've got to look at 183 00:10:22,760 --> 00:10:25,199 Speaker 1: everything around it, what's in your way to get there, 184 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:27,680 Speaker 1: because you're gonna be belly crawling. And then when you 185 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:31,760 Speaker 1: get there, what you can use to camouflage yourself. Uh, 186 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:35,200 Speaker 1: they're gonna establish an escape route very important, and a 187 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:39,200 Speaker 1: fallback position in case you get separated from your buddy. 188 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:42,080 Speaker 1: And then you gotta locate your target, grab the gun 189 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:45,880 Speaker 1: and get in position, right and um, getting in position 190 00:10:46,559 --> 00:10:50,120 Speaker 1: after you locate the target is probably not what snipers do. 191 00:10:50,760 --> 00:10:53,600 Speaker 1: They probably get in position and then locate the target. 192 00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:57,360 Speaker 1: Would say, you know, if they're shooting somebody's specific, like 193 00:10:57,400 --> 00:11:00,720 Speaker 1: maybe they arrive at the location of where they're you know, 194 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:03,959 Speaker 1: going to be shooting the person or whatever. But you're 195 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:06,800 Speaker 1: going to sit there, possibly for days on end. And 196 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:09,040 Speaker 1: by sid I mean late flat on your stomach. What 197 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:13,440 Speaker 1: is that prone or supine? I think prone? Prone, I 198 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:18,840 Speaker 1: think curses. So the spotter is going to be on 199 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:22,920 Speaker 1: the ground right next to and slightly behind you, basically 200 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:25,360 Speaker 1: trying to line up their spotter scope, which is way 201 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:29,320 Speaker 1: more powerful even than the rifle scope, as close to 202 00:11:29,360 --> 00:11:31,679 Speaker 1: the barrel of the gun as possible. Yeah, in the 203 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:35,640 Speaker 1: same line as it and basically say okay, I've got 204 00:11:35,679 --> 00:11:41,840 Speaker 1: this guy and he is, um a thousand meters away. Yeah, 205 00:11:42,280 --> 00:11:46,760 Speaker 1: the wind is blowing at like six knots from the northeast, 206 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:50,040 Speaker 1: it's sixty five degrees, it's got a barometric pressure and 207 00:11:50,040 --> 00:11:52,960 Speaker 1: a temperature of this humidity level is this? So you'd 208 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:56,240 Speaker 1: make a great spotter. See all that. So all that 209 00:11:56,520 --> 00:11:59,199 Speaker 1: comes into consideration when you're trying to you know, you're 210 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:06,440 Speaker 1: shooting oftentimes from a thousand yards away. Yeah, a thousand yards. Well, remember, um, 211 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:11,720 Speaker 1: I think to become a sniper for Delta Force, remember 212 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:14,600 Speaker 1: like it was yards minimum you had to you had 213 00:12:14,600 --> 00:12:19,560 Speaker 1: to have like eight or nine or nine accuracy from yards. 214 00:12:19,679 --> 00:12:21,720 Speaker 1: We talked about it. That was a while ago though. 215 00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:25,199 Speaker 1: So the sniper, how do they This was a cool 216 00:12:25,240 --> 00:12:27,560 Speaker 1: thing because I saw it on YouTube. This thing creates 217 00:12:27,559 --> 00:12:31,440 Speaker 1: a vapor trail the bullet does. Yeah, the spotters not 218 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:34,240 Speaker 1: just you know watching. And also we should we should 219 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:36,640 Speaker 1: say that if you're there for days on end, um, 220 00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:39,760 Speaker 1: the spotter and the sniper will probably trade off spot 221 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:42,920 Speaker 1: or duty just so one can get rest or something 222 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:47,840 Speaker 1: like that. And then exactly, um, but yes, when the 223 00:12:47,880 --> 00:12:51,120 Speaker 1: time finally comes and the shot is to be taken. Um, 224 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:54,000 Speaker 1: the spotter watches to make sure that the sniper hit 225 00:12:54,080 --> 00:12:58,199 Speaker 1: the target. And like you're saying, a bullet, the bullets 226 00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:01,960 Speaker 1: that they're firing out of these fifty caliber guns are 227 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:07,160 Speaker 1: seven point six too. Yeah, that's a big bullet. Those 228 00:13:07,160 --> 00:13:10,679 Speaker 1: are the ones that look like missiles. They move through 229 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:13,560 Speaker 1: the air um in such a way that they create 230 00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:17,280 Speaker 1: a vapor trail. And the army ranger who was interviewed 231 00:13:17,320 --> 00:13:21,160 Speaker 1: for this article says, like it it looks you can 232 00:13:21,160 --> 00:13:24,040 Speaker 1: see through it, but it's distorted air, which I'd take 233 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:27,559 Speaker 1: to mean like the matrix. That's exactly what it looks like. Oh, 234 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:30,480 Speaker 1: you've seen it, well, it's on YouTube. Yeah you can see. 235 00:13:30,520 --> 00:13:32,280 Speaker 1: I mean you gotta look, but you can see it, 236 00:13:32,320 --> 00:13:34,480 Speaker 1: and it looks like the matrix thing and all the 237 00:13:34,520 --> 00:13:38,400 Speaker 1: other movies that copied it is like a hugely exaggerated obviously, 238 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:41,640 Speaker 1: but it sort of looks like that. It looks like, uh, 239 00:13:41,679 --> 00:13:45,800 Speaker 1: the ABYSS, the little blob from the ABYSS traveling through 240 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:49,439 Speaker 1: the air, cavitating the air? Is that the word I think? So? 241 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:55,200 Speaker 1: Um so yeah, then the spotter says, you missed. That 242 00:13:55,240 --> 00:13:58,880 Speaker 1: doesn't happen very often. No, it doesn't um. But if 243 00:13:58,920 --> 00:14:01,160 Speaker 1: it does happen, these botter says, Okay, we need to 244 00:14:02,480 --> 00:14:05,160 Speaker 1: move it this way a little bit. Yeah, maybe down 245 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:09,400 Speaker 1: a little probably uses more specific jargon than that, maybe 246 00:14:09,400 --> 00:14:12,640 Speaker 1: down a little, and then another SHOT's taken and then 247 00:14:12,679 --> 00:14:15,320 Speaker 1: another shot. Um. And the spotter is also going to 248 00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:17,640 Speaker 1: be the one who's carrying, like, um, something like an 249 00:14:17,760 --> 00:14:21,400 Speaker 1: M six teen or an M four some other assault rifle. 250 00:14:22,040 --> 00:14:25,200 Speaker 1: Because if somebody comes up on you, as anyone who 251 00:14:25,320 --> 00:14:28,640 Speaker 1: has ever played any video game when you're in hand 252 00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:32,480 Speaker 1: to hand combat or close combat, uh, this sniper rifle 253 00:14:32,560 --> 00:14:35,400 Speaker 1: is the worst weapon to have. Of all, you want 254 00:14:35,520 --> 00:14:38,520 Speaker 1: the automatic assault rifle. That's what you want. And that's 255 00:14:38,600 --> 00:14:41,120 Speaker 1: me in those games. I'm the one turning around fumbling 256 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:43,800 Speaker 1: trying to reload while the guy's dispatching the face inter 257 00:14:43,880 --> 00:14:47,760 Speaker 1: shooting me exactly. And the relationship between these two guys 258 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:51,480 Speaker 1: is obviously very key because they're spending hours and days 259 00:14:51,480 --> 00:14:54,080 Speaker 1: and days at a time with each other in very 260 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:59,520 Speaker 1: close quiet quarters. Trust is huge, obviously because their lives 261 00:14:59,560 --> 00:15:02,720 Speaker 1: depend on each other and they usually don't have a 262 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:04,800 Speaker 1: lot of support from their unit. They're out there alone 263 00:15:04,960 --> 00:15:08,760 Speaker 1: protecting their unit and their unit and platoon is depending 264 00:15:08,760 --> 00:15:10,440 Speaker 1: on them. If you screw up, a lot of times 265 00:15:10,520 --> 00:15:13,080 Speaker 1: your platoon is is not in good shape afterwards. So 266 00:15:13,440 --> 00:15:16,040 Speaker 1: very high pressure job, right, they're doing recon or they're 267 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:23,960 Speaker 1: doing um, spearhead demoralization through selective assassination something like that. Right. 268 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:27,680 Speaker 1: Um so yeah, they're they're like if the snipers out there, 269 00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:30,280 Speaker 1: probably shortly after a platoon is going to be on 270 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:32,920 Speaker 1: their heels and the sniper has to relay whatever information 271 00:15:33,120 --> 00:15:36,360 Speaker 1: he's taking in. Um so yeah, if he screws up, 272 00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:40,200 Speaker 1: it can be problematic. Sure, Um you want to talk 273 00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:43,680 Speaker 1: about the rifles. Yeah, they don't just pull a rifle 274 00:15:43,720 --> 00:15:46,400 Speaker 1: off with shelf at Walmart and and go hide in 275 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:50,240 Speaker 1: the woods, although some guys have. Remember Seemo Hia who 276 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:53,920 Speaker 1: seem O Hia the White Death. Oh yeah, yeah, well 277 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:58,040 Speaker 1: sure he had his plain old bolt action hunting hunting rifle. 278 00:15:58,120 --> 00:16:02,840 Speaker 1: Any from five cool with it? Uh These days, Josh, 279 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:07,359 Speaker 1: it's a little more uh specialized than that. Um there 280 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:09,920 Speaker 1: a lot of times it's called an M fourteen with 281 00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:14,080 Speaker 1: match grade upgrades. And match grade means that some professional 282 00:16:14,160 --> 00:16:18,920 Speaker 1: gunsmith is hone this thing to within a good centimeter. 283 00:16:19,640 --> 00:16:23,960 Speaker 1: You like that of accuracy? You were you were waiting 284 00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:26,240 Speaker 1: for a better reaction than that. I didn't know if 285 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:27,680 Speaker 1: you thought that was a real word. So I think 286 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:30,280 Speaker 1: match grade means like, um, like a shooting match like 287 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:35,240 Speaker 1: competition grade. Yeah, probably because they use very similar rifles 288 00:16:35,240 --> 00:16:39,600 Speaker 1: for competition shooting. Yeah, where they're hollowed out. Yeah, that's Olympic. 289 00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:41,400 Speaker 1: I never understood that. I love it though. The guys 290 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:44,040 Speaker 1: who ski and shoot, yeah, what's the point of that, 291 00:16:44,160 --> 00:16:45,960 Speaker 1: I don't know. I like it. They should add like 292 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:48,240 Speaker 1: they should snowboard and shoot and just do all sorts 293 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:50,760 Speaker 1: of things. You go up to half fife, then you 294 00:16:50,840 --> 00:16:53,480 Speaker 1: stop and you take a couple of shots. Yeah, kite 295 00:16:53,480 --> 00:16:56,120 Speaker 1: sailing and shooting. Yeah, And I'm sure there's some great 296 00:16:56,160 --> 00:16:59,880 Speaker 1: history to that, but I don't know it. So match 297 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:04,280 Speaker 1: grade guns and also match grade handmade ammunition. So I 298 00:17:04,280 --> 00:17:07,360 Speaker 1: mean it's all just like very detailed that like that's 299 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:09,880 Speaker 1: hollowed out. It's light. It's usually fiberglass because you don't 300 00:17:09,880 --> 00:17:14,119 Speaker 1: want the wood to warp, and UM ends up being 301 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:17,320 Speaker 1: extremely accurate. The barrel doesn't touch the rest of the gun. 302 00:17:17,560 --> 00:17:20,400 Speaker 1: This is cool. The free floating barrel. It touches as 303 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:24,800 Speaker 1: little as possible so that the initial explosion from the 304 00:17:24,840 --> 00:17:28,800 Speaker 1: bullet being fired causing the recoil in the barrel that 305 00:17:28,920 --> 00:17:34,600 Speaker 1: it doesn't kick as much, and just the rifles accuracy yeah, 306 00:17:35,240 --> 00:17:39,399 Speaker 1: disadjusted plus move maladjust to any kind of movements. Ben Yeah, 307 00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:42,240 Speaker 1: which is why they use more often than not bolt 308 00:17:42,280 --> 00:17:46,280 Speaker 1: action rifles, which had disadvantages in that you have to 309 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:50,080 Speaker 1: load a single round, shoot it, and then unload that shell, 310 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:54,080 Speaker 1: reload another round. But um, their motto was one shot, 311 00:17:54,119 --> 00:17:57,000 Speaker 1: one kill, so one shot is usually all you need. 312 00:17:57,320 --> 00:18:00,760 Speaker 1: But they do sometimes use the semi automatic rifles, but 313 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:03,400 Speaker 1: which you have there are shells flying out of the gun, 314 00:18:03,680 --> 00:18:05,879 Speaker 1: which is not very smart. Right. Either way, you're gonna 315 00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:08,919 Speaker 1: be detected with movement possibly like when you do the 316 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:13,320 Speaker 1: bolt action that's moving, that flying shell that's moving. But 317 00:18:13,520 --> 00:18:17,359 Speaker 1: the automatic or semi automatic rifles have more moving parts 318 00:18:17,400 --> 00:18:21,720 Speaker 1: than a BOWLT action. Checkers tend to prefer bowlt action. Yeah, 319 00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:24,359 Speaker 1: although they said they can their shoot it's their choice. 320 00:18:25,119 --> 00:18:31,080 Speaker 1: Shooters preference, Yeah, sniper's sniper's choice between eight and fifteen grand. 321 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:34,640 Speaker 1: These things costs. Yeah, it's kind of pricey, but they 322 00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:38,400 Speaker 1: look really cool. Yeah, they do. Uh do we talk 323 00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:41,280 Speaker 1: about the scope, No, we haven't yet. I mean, we 324 00:18:41,320 --> 00:18:45,480 Speaker 1: talked about how the the spotter has a superior scope. 325 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:48,840 Speaker 1: But yeah, the scope on the sniper rifle usually has 326 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:54,240 Speaker 1: about a ten time magnification power. It's just you know, telescope, 327 00:18:54,480 --> 00:18:59,199 Speaker 1: a high powered telescope, mini telescope sorry, with um crosshairs 328 00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:03,440 Speaker 1: on it. Called redicules, right, is that what it has pronounced? 329 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:08,240 Speaker 1: A targeting ridicule, ridiculation ridicule. I didn't know how it 330 00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:11,280 Speaker 1: was pronounced. I kept saying articular, and then I thought 331 00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:16,000 Speaker 1: it was ridicule. Uh, what you're looking at when you're 332 00:19:16,040 --> 00:19:18,480 Speaker 1: aiming though, Like we said, there's all sorts of variances 333 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:20,399 Speaker 1: in the wind and everything will change the path of 334 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:23,800 Speaker 1: your bullet. But um, you're looking at the point of 335 00:19:23,840 --> 00:19:26,399 Speaker 1: aim and the point of impact, and if you're firing 336 00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:29,760 Speaker 1: from six yards away, it's not gonna be what you're 337 00:19:29,800 --> 00:19:32,320 Speaker 1: aiming at. And this is accurate even in that Call 338 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:35,480 Speaker 1: of Duty game, like you aim at the dude's head 339 00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:37,159 Speaker 1: and then you end up shooting like three ft to 340 00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:39,040 Speaker 1: the right of them, and every one goes, what was that? 341 00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:42,720 Speaker 1: And then it's over? What's over? Well, that little round 342 00:19:42,800 --> 00:19:44,560 Speaker 1: is over. If you don't get the guy, you're done. 343 00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:47,080 Speaker 1: You can't get off at a second shot. What happens. 344 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:50,440 Speaker 1: I think you gotta start over so they don't come 345 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:52,480 Speaker 1: at you or anything. No, no, they come at you 346 00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:55,479 Speaker 1: and then you start over eventually. But so you have 347 00:19:55,560 --> 00:19:57,840 Speaker 1: to aim over aim a lot of times because of 348 00:19:57,880 --> 00:20:00,520 Speaker 1: things like gravity. And that was the fact of the 349 00:20:00,560 --> 00:20:05,199 Speaker 1: show to me. The gravity one. If you drop a bullet, 350 00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:08,520 Speaker 1: If you aim a gun a sniper rifle and then 351 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:11,240 Speaker 1: shoot it level to the ground and you drop a 352 00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:13,600 Speaker 1: bullet at the same height as the barrel, they're both 353 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:16,320 Speaker 1: gonna hit the ground at the same time because of gravity. 354 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:21,000 Speaker 1: That's that's the fact of the show for sure. Um, Chuck. 355 00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:23,919 Speaker 1: What you're talking about can be adjusted for in the 356 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:28,240 Speaker 1: scope through the ballistic drop compensator, which is a little 357 00:20:28,280 --> 00:20:30,959 Speaker 1: dial so you don't have to go redo your whole 358 00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:33,320 Speaker 1: scope settings and all that. You can just adjust it 359 00:20:33,359 --> 00:20:35,040 Speaker 1: up or down or left or right just a little 360 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:39,399 Speaker 1: bit to compensate for gravity. And um. The other like 361 00:20:39,520 --> 00:20:42,480 Speaker 1: wind and that's what you see him doing. Yeah, they're like, 362 00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:45,120 Speaker 1: you know, wind it two nots you seed Markey, Mark, 363 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:48,960 Speaker 1: go click, that's all you need to do. That's it. 364 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:53,000 Speaker 1: One little click, gun shoots itself, not true. Um. And 365 00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:57,399 Speaker 1: then there's also these things called Gillie suits, which, um, 366 00:20:57,440 --> 00:21:01,119 Speaker 1: anytime you see a sniper or you don't see a sniper, 367 00:21:01,119 --> 00:21:03,360 Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden he stands up from 368 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:05,720 Speaker 1: the leaves and brush and all that in front of 369 00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:09,000 Speaker 1: you and he's wearing what looks like leaves and brush. 370 00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:11,240 Speaker 1: That's called the Gillie suit, which has a pretty cool 371 00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:13,680 Speaker 1: little history to it. I like it. Go ahead. So 372 00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:18,879 Speaker 1: gillies um were the Irish game wardens Scottish game wardens 373 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:22,800 Speaker 1: from days of your uh, and basically their job was 374 00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:28,040 Speaker 1: to keep an eye on the landowners um game right 375 00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:32,159 Speaker 1: while game that he liked to hunt um and the 376 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:36,480 Speaker 1: gilly once in a while would have to basically catch 377 00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:39,000 Speaker 1: a deer or something like that, say bring it back 378 00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:43,119 Speaker 1: to the castle for the landowner to hunt in a 379 00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:46,760 Speaker 1: mock hunt and kill the deer. But he couldn't just 380 00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:48,680 Speaker 1: kill the deer and bring it. He had to bring 381 00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:51,840 Speaker 1: it alive. So this meant days of stalking a deer, 382 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:55,840 Speaker 1: staying completely silent, camouflaging himself with stuff found in the 383 00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:59,400 Speaker 1: in the local environment, and then waiting for a deer 384 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:01,560 Speaker 1: to walk by in jumping on it, grabbing it. Can 385 00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:04,120 Speaker 1: you imagine these dudes and then dragging it back to 386 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:08,119 Speaker 1: the castle for this mock hunt. Yeah, so think about 387 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:12,720 Speaker 1: how despised the nobleman must have been for his little 388 00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:17,639 Speaker 1: mock hunt in between glasses of sherry of a deer 389 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:20,040 Speaker 1: that the Gillie caught with his bare hands after waiting 390 00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:22,320 Speaker 1: two days for it to walk past him, you know, 391 00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:25,040 Speaker 1: and then they just killed the deer like when they 392 00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:27,480 Speaker 1: bring it in because like his gout and his flaring 393 00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:29,080 Speaker 1: up so you can't even get out of his chair. 394 00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:34,240 Speaker 1: So yeah, it's like early internet hunting. Oh yeah, God. 395 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:38,280 Speaker 1: They outlawed that pretty quickly, thank goodness, because it was awful. 396 00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:41,080 Speaker 1: I almost had to write an article on that. Did 397 00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:43,640 Speaker 1: you get out of it? Yeah? I refused. I said, 398 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:45,960 Speaker 1: you know what, I'm not even gonna put this out 399 00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:48,760 Speaker 1: there as something that exists. And they went, you know what, 400 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:50,480 Speaker 1: you may be right on this one. And then like 401 00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:54,000 Speaker 1: two weeks later they outlawed it controlling the flow of information. 402 00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:57,080 Speaker 1: Huh no, you know nice. I didn't want I didn't 403 00:22:57,119 --> 00:23:02,240 Speaker 1: want it happening. Yes, I stopped internet hunting single. So 404 00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:04,639 Speaker 1: the gilly suit is what they call what the sniper 405 00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:07,879 Speaker 1: wears now because of that cool history, and it's usually 406 00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:10,480 Speaker 1: like really reinforced on your torso because you're gonna be 407 00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:13,920 Speaker 1: crawling a lot, probably padded to help you out with comfort, 408 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:16,520 Speaker 1: and you know it's not like you're really comfortable. It's 409 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:18,800 Speaker 1: padded for comfort. Padded for comfort, and you've got a 410 00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:21,080 Speaker 1: netting all over you so you can work in twigs 411 00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:24,879 Speaker 1: like what you don't want our straight lines like the 412 00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:27,160 Speaker 1: antenna from your radio or the muzzle of your gun, 413 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:29,720 Speaker 1: because nature didn't have straight lines like that, right, So 414 00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:32,880 Speaker 1: they make gilly suits for their guns. Yeah, um, can't 415 00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:36,440 Speaker 1: you see them having like it's the Special Ops barracks, 416 00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:40,480 Speaker 1: like gilly suit contests, like who's got the best one? Oh, 417 00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:43,240 Speaker 1: that's elaborate, you know. Yeah, yeah, I can't believe you 418 00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:46,320 Speaker 1: work that rock into it well. And when I envisioned 419 00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:49,040 Speaker 1: that SIT's that skit they like are putting the medal 420 00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:51,080 Speaker 1: around the winter and then a guy just rises up 421 00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:54,679 Speaker 1: behind him that they're never He comes off with the 422 00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:59,520 Speaker 1: back of his Gillie suit and steals his metal. Uh 423 00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:02,160 Speaker 1: we'll speak King of Special Ops. These are Special Ops 424 00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:06,720 Speaker 1: teams and uh Sniper teams are all a part of 425 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:12,360 Speaker 1: Special Operations and they train all the time. If they're 426 00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:15,520 Speaker 1: not training specifically for a mission. They're studying the mission, 427 00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:18,240 Speaker 1: and their goal is to know every single thing about 428 00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:22,560 Speaker 1: everybody on that mission and memorize it, because if you're caught, 429 00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:25,720 Speaker 1: you don't want to have paper saying these are signals, 430 00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:30,640 Speaker 1: these are call signs or whatever, because I could just think, 431 00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:33,000 Speaker 1: you know, like being caught with the paper like this 432 00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:41,000 Speaker 1: is Corporal Todd Thompson's call sign ACE, you know, and 433 00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:44,480 Speaker 1: then the enemies like this, who's this Todd Thompson? Why 434 00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:47,560 Speaker 1: do you get ACE? That's the coolest one, right, because 435 00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:50,480 Speaker 1: he's the best one. Uh. The U S m C 436 00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:54,439 Speaker 1: is known even though all military branches have sniper teams 437 00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:58,280 Speaker 1: and schools, the Marines are obviously because they're the Marines. 438 00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:00,719 Speaker 1: They have what's known as the best school, the U 439 00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:04,640 Speaker 1: s m C. Scout Sniper School in the Marines actually 440 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:07,720 Speaker 1: may have been the origin of the snipers in the U. 441 00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:11,440 Speaker 1: S military. Yeah, the leather necks, the original guys who 442 00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:14,280 Speaker 1: used to ride around in the eighteenth century on ships 443 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:20,160 Speaker 1: were um often tasked with basically sniping from crow's nests 444 00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:23,640 Speaker 1: um other people on other ships during battles. I don't 445 00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:27,040 Speaker 1: think I knew what the leather necks were. Yeah, their Marines, Well, 446 00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:28,880 Speaker 1: I knew that, but I didn't know that it went 447 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:33,200 Speaker 1: back that far. Yeah, nine eighteenth century. Well back then 448 00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:35,760 Speaker 1: they actually had next made of leather, right, that's pretty 449 00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:41,760 Speaker 1: cool human leather. Um, it is the best school, like 450 00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:44,800 Speaker 1: I said, and if you get in, even fewer graduate 451 00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:48,520 Speaker 1: because it's not just about being a good shooter. You 452 00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:50,240 Speaker 1: have to have the right temperament. You have to be 453 00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:53,879 Speaker 1: calm and not like some hot head. You have to 454 00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:56,800 Speaker 1: have confidence in your decisions, confidence in your in your 455 00:25:56,840 --> 00:26:00,280 Speaker 1: spot or yeah as this as this um this niper 456 00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:02,679 Speaker 1: who was interviewed for the article said he basically like, 457 00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:04,960 Speaker 1: you can't just be calling back like can I shoot 458 00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:07,879 Speaker 1: this guy? Or you have to make the decision and 459 00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:10,320 Speaker 1: make the right decision and confidence in your decision so 460 00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:13,760 Speaker 1: that you can say I am going to shoot this guy. 461 00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:16,119 Speaker 1: It works well alone and their little report card growing 462 00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:19,280 Speaker 1: up was probably a key for a future sniper. So 463 00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:22,879 Speaker 1: it's a two month course, Josh. Here at the Marine Corps, Uh, 464 00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:29,200 Speaker 1: they train in three main um disciplines marksmanship obviously, observation, 465 00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:32,679 Speaker 1: and stalking. Yeah, and let's talk about can we talk 466 00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:36,280 Speaker 1: about the games? I think we should like the Kim's game. Yeah, 467 00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:38,800 Speaker 1: I didn't see what that stood for I don't know 468 00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:41,560 Speaker 1: why they made it all caps because it's Um. It's 469 00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:45,720 Speaker 1: named after a Rudyard Tippling book Kim, So it's not 470 00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:49,280 Speaker 1: a boy's name, UM. And he was an Irish orphan 471 00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:52,000 Speaker 1: who grew up in India, was trained in intelligence and 472 00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:54,879 Speaker 1: in the book they would give him um trades of 473 00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:57,840 Speaker 1: like stones and gems and give him a minute to 474 00:26:57,840 --> 00:26:59,320 Speaker 1: look at it and then take it away and say 475 00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:02,360 Speaker 1: what did you just So that's what the Kim's game is. 476 00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:04,879 Speaker 1: It's very similar to that. It's based on that. Well, 477 00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:07,760 Speaker 1: go ahead, explain it. Well. It teaches observational skills, right 478 00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:12,919 Speaker 1: and basically um with this game, Uh, the guys in 479 00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:16,280 Speaker 1: sniper School are presented a tray and it has you know, 480 00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:19,800 Speaker 1: fifteen twenty things on it, and they're told to look 481 00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:21,960 Speaker 1: at it for you know, thirty seconds or a minute 482 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,080 Speaker 1: or something. Then the trays removed and they say what 483 00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:27,360 Speaker 1: did you see? And say there was a paper clip? Right, 484 00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:31,120 Speaker 1: You can't say well, there's a paper clip because they 485 00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:34,000 Speaker 1: want to leave it to the guys who are analyzing 486 00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:37,199 Speaker 1: the intelligence you're sending back to determine what it was 487 00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:40,280 Speaker 1: you saw. So you say, well, I saw a piece 488 00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:44,879 Speaker 1: of wire bent around into um an oval three times 489 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:48,800 Speaker 1: or something like that. Ever slip and you can just 490 00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:53,240 Speaker 1: say paper clip. But and then as as school goes along, 491 00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:56,880 Speaker 1: the training, this observational training through the Kim's game apparently 492 00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:59,520 Speaker 1: gets more and more difficult, where they show you something 493 00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:02,600 Speaker 1: in the morning, then you go out and practice all day, 494 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:05,080 Speaker 1: and then at night they say, write down what you 495 00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:07,560 Speaker 1: saw this morning. Yeah, and they'll add more things and 496 00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:09,320 Speaker 1: give you less time to look at it to begin with, 497 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:11,600 Speaker 1: Because when I first read it, I was like, that's 498 00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:14,080 Speaker 1: not too hard. It's like a wine cork and a 499 00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:18,600 Speaker 1: paper clip and uh and a CB radio done. But 500 00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:20,880 Speaker 1: then as it gets harder, I was like, oh, there's 501 00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:23,040 Speaker 1: a method here, right, and not being able to call 502 00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:25,639 Speaker 1: something what you know it is like, how would you 503 00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:30,720 Speaker 1: describe a wine cork? I would say I have thousands 504 00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:35,399 Speaker 1: of these around my home. Lungs are coated with the 505 00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:37,679 Speaker 1: dust of them. I could say it's a cork in 506 00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:41,720 Speaker 1: a spherical cork with a red stain on one end. 507 00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:47,240 Speaker 1: It would be tubular, wouldn't it tubular? It wouldn't be spherical, 508 00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:50,000 Speaker 1: it wouldn't be conical. And then right now there's someone 509 00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:53,760 Speaker 1: standing behind it's the gun. Yeah, exactly, we'd be the 510 00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:57,080 Speaker 1: worst sniper team ever. Actually. Um. And then another another 511 00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:00,680 Speaker 1: good game I guess you could call it is how 512 00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:03,480 Speaker 1: they trained to stalk, right, Yeah, that is really cool. 513 00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:08,200 Speaker 1: So stalking is moving from say your drop zone or wherever, 514 00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:12,320 Speaker 1: to the place where you're going to set up without 515 00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:15,920 Speaker 1: being identified, without being seen or noticed. But you have 516 00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:18,239 Speaker 1: to make your way there and there may or may 517 00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:20,480 Speaker 1: not be people watching you, are able to see you, 518 00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:22,240 Speaker 1: but you need to get to the point you need 519 00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:24,440 Speaker 1: to get to. So you have to practice that. That's 520 00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:27,480 Speaker 1: called stalking, and they practice it by basically saying, Okay, 521 00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:30,880 Speaker 1: here's a nice grassy field. Um, you guys stay here, 522 00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:33,680 Speaker 1: and we're gonna put two people a thousand meters away 523 00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:35,720 Speaker 1: and we're going to look for you, and you need 524 00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:38,160 Speaker 1: to make it within a hundred and fifty meters of 525 00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:41,360 Speaker 1: us without us seeing you. And they're looking for you. 526 00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:44,200 Speaker 1: Not only that, they have two people out there in 527 00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:48,800 Speaker 1: the field looking for you walking around. So apparently that's 528 00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:53,240 Speaker 1: like real life on hyper drive that never ever would happen. 529 00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:56,720 Speaker 1: But I guess the idea is if you can pass that, 530 00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:58,960 Speaker 1: then you know you'll be fine out in the field. 531 00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:03,080 Speaker 1: It's like we're an ankle, which makes sense. And then 532 00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:05,600 Speaker 1: they have to take a shot from the hundred and 533 00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:08,400 Speaker 1: fifty meters with blanks, obviously, and then they have to 534 00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:10,680 Speaker 1: move from that position. They have to take the shot 535 00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:13,360 Speaker 1: without being detected, and then move from that position to 536 00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:18,240 Speaker 1: another position and take another shot without being detected, which 537 00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:21,840 Speaker 1: apparently you very rarely, if ever moved to another position 538 00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:24,360 Speaker 1: and take a second shot, and you definitely are never 539 00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:27,440 Speaker 1: within a hundred and fifty of your target. So they overtrain, 540 00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:30,320 Speaker 1: which is a good thing. Another little game they play 541 00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:33,520 Speaker 1: is is just strictly observational from a distance. They will 542 00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:36,760 Speaker 1: hide things in a field, very small things like a 543 00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:41,280 Speaker 1: ballpoint pin hanging from a little shrubbery brush, and you 544 00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:43,520 Speaker 1: get out there with your spot or with your scope 545 00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:46,920 Speaker 1: and binoculars and you gotta pick this stuff out. And 546 00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:49,880 Speaker 1: basically just canvas, you know, he said that. The guy 547 00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:52,360 Speaker 1: in here said. You just block off one little, small, 548 00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:54,840 Speaker 1: tiny block at a time, stare at it through your 549 00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:57,240 Speaker 1: binoculars for five minutes, then move on to the next 550 00:30:57,280 --> 00:31:01,080 Speaker 1: little block until you find something and chuck you were 551 00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:04,800 Speaker 1: talking about when they were um with gravity is one 552 00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:09,600 Speaker 1: of the biggest problems for accuracy, right well, there's there's 553 00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:14,520 Speaker 1: a a unit of measurement that snipers use to adjust 554 00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:18,360 Speaker 1: for these variables. It's called minute of angle m o 555 00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:23,120 Speaker 1: A and UM. Apparently one point zero four seven inches 556 00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:29,960 Speaker 1: UM for every hundred yards is the the the inaccuracy 557 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,880 Speaker 1: that's going to develop as the bullet travels. Right. Yeah, 558 00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:35,000 Speaker 1: So if you're a thousand yards away like they say 559 00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:37,520 Speaker 1: you can be, or more, you could potentially be off 560 00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:40,160 Speaker 1: by ten inches, which means you could potentially miss your 561 00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:44,880 Speaker 1: target altogether unless you account for wind and humidity and 562 00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:48,560 Speaker 1: barometric pressure and temperature, the temperatures. I thought this was 563 00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:51,719 Speaker 1: very interesting. Cold air is denser, which means it creates 564 00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:54,960 Speaker 1: more drag, right, which is pretty cool. You have to 565 00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:59,080 Speaker 1: account for that UM and then the other one UM. 566 00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:02,880 Speaker 1: Depending on your distance. UM. Someone may or may not 567 00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:06,800 Speaker 1: hear you. If you're six hundred yards away or more, 568 00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:09,960 Speaker 1: potentially you are not going to even hear that little 569 00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:13,840 Speaker 1: sonic boom crack because the bullet leaves the muzzle at 570 00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:16,680 Speaker 1: the speed of sound. You won't even hear that. So 571 00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:19,800 Speaker 1: you could be eight hundreds away and dudes could be 572 00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:21,360 Speaker 1: standing there. And that's when you see in the movie 573 00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:24,600 Speaker 1: that they see the little buff of dirt behind them 574 00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:28,560 Speaker 1: and they're just like what was that? Yeah? So six 575 00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:33,120 Speaker 1: is where the seven point six two millimeter round is 576 00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:38,719 Speaker 1: dragged into sub sonic speed, meaning it travels less than 577 00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:42,600 Speaker 1: the speed of sound, meaning it makes a sound where 578 00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:45,360 Speaker 1: anything over that is like you said, suddenly there's just 579 00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:48,240 Speaker 1: bullets appearing. And the guy who was interviewed from this 580 00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:52,800 Speaker 1: head a great quote. He said, Um, you can basically 581 00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:55,440 Speaker 1: just take shots at somebody. And the guy who has 582 00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:57,840 Speaker 1: interviewed for this article had this great quote. He said, 583 00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:00,960 Speaker 1: if you're shooting at a target eight a thousand meters out, 584 00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:02,640 Speaker 1: you could be shooting at that person all day long 585 00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:05,080 Speaker 1: and they don't even know they're being shot at. Why 586 00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:10,560 Speaker 1: are these oil cans exploding he hates them? Uh, Yeah, 587 00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:13,160 Speaker 1: that's pretty cool. And that's a very good place to 588 00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:15,840 Speaker 1: end because the goal of the snipers to not get caught, 589 00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:18,200 Speaker 1: so they want to get as far away as they 590 00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:26,160 Speaker 1: can from the target while still being within an accurate range. Done. Done, 591 00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:28,880 Speaker 1: Do you got anything else? I got nothing else? Military 592 00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:32,280 Speaker 1: snipers if you were expecting like the DC sniper or 593 00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:37,520 Speaker 1: um Charles what was his name, Whitman, Yes, Uh, they're 594 00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:40,760 Speaker 1: not military snipers. Although Charles Whitman was in the military. 595 00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:43,360 Speaker 1: He's in the Marines, remember in full metal jacket. Yeah 596 00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:47,000 Speaker 1: it wasn't Oswald too, or no, yeah, he's a marine too. 597 00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:49,360 Speaker 1: Do you have it? Yea, I think they were both 598 00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:54,880 Speaker 1: sharpshooters too. Do you have it? Well, okay, those are okay, 599 00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:57,680 Speaker 1: Well they made an appearance then all right, okay. If 600 00:33:57,720 --> 00:33:59,880 Speaker 1: you want to know more about snipers, Um, you should 601 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:02,400 Speaker 1: type in snipers in the handy search bar how stuff 602 00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:05,440 Speaker 1: works dot Com and has some cool flash games inside 603 00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:08,600 Speaker 1: of it and very cool links and cool pictures and 604 00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:11,000 Speaker 1: if you're into that kind of thing, you're gonna love 605 00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:14,719 Speaker 1: this article that's Snipers in the search bar at how 606 00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:18,200 Speaker 1: stuff works dot Com. Since I said that, it's time 607 00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:23,160 Speaker 1: for listener mail, Josh, I'm gonna call this from a 608 00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:28,000 Speaker 1: fan with MS multiple score rosis. I have a very 609 00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:32,120 Speaker 1: very good friend of mine that has MS and it 610 00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:35,680 Speaker 1: was afflicted with it later in life and is late twenties. 611 00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:40,400 Speaker 1: I believe it's very sad, but so she writes, Um, 612 00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:42,680 Speaker 1: Josh and Chuck, perhaps I could tell you about the 613 00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:44,600 Speaker 1: fact that I've been living with MS for over twenty 614 00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:47,800 Speaker 1: two years and I found it a nonprofit called soft 615 00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:51,680 Speaker 1: Serve matters that will empower people with chronic analysis. But 616 00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:54,880 Speaker 1: maybe I should leave with I was listening to is 617 00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:58,399 Speaker 1: Bhuton onto something with their gross national and happiness because 618 00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:00,120 Speaker 1: I feel the need to tell you I believe that 619 00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:03,319 Speaker 1: some people are just born with the happy gene. I 620 00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:08,560 Speaker 1: am living proof of that, having started it in kindergarten um. 621 00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:10,719 Speaker 1: In spite of the fact that I have a decreasing 622 00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:14,560 Speaker 1: have had decreasing abilities since my twentieth birthday, and a 623 00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:17,680 Speaker 1: six figured debt that my husband and I accrued while 624 00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:20,759 Speaker 1: getting our advanced degrees, I am uber happy. Or maybe 625 00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:23,239 Speaker 1: it's just a denial to all of these challenges. My 626 00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:26,520 Speaker 1: default is happy, happy, joy joy. I made that reference 627 00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:29,560 Speaker 1: just to amuse you. Uh. It may have something to 628 00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:31,160 Speaker 1: do with the fact that I come from a family 629 00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:33,800 Speaker 1: of armchair comedians and married a man based on his 630 00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:37,040 Speaker 1: humor alone. Well not really, but doesn't that sound good? 631 00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:40,640 Speaker 1: We have a nine year old who is freaking hysterical. 632 00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:44,040 Speaker 1: Nature or nurture, I ask. I'll go with nature since 633 00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:47,240 Speaker 1: it supports my theory, though clearly nurture as a major player. 634 00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:50,320 Speaker 1: So while I figure out the approach to email you guys, 635 00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:53,320 Speaker 1: let me just say I love your work. And for 636 00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:56,279 Speaker 1: the administrative section of this email, I employ to check 637 00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:59,440 Speaker 1: out these links. And she has a blog that I 638 00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:01,680 Speaker 1: would like to pug and it is M S l 639 00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:06,440 Speaker 1: O L dot WordPress dot com and that is Amy 640 00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:08,600 Speaker 1: G and Amy. Like I said, my really good friend 641 00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:11,719 Speaker 1: Billy has MS. So it's very uh dear to my 642 00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:14,600 Speaker 1: heart cause and anything we can do to help you 643 00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:16,600 Speaker 1: spread the word, just email us back and we'll do 644 00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:19,000 Speaker 1: so cool. That was a good one, Chuck, Thank you, 645 00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:26,120 Speaker 1: Thank you Amy, thanks for being an armchair comedian yourself. Yeah. Yeah, okay, Um, 646 00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:27,960 Speaker 1: and I guess thanks to your whole family for that 647 00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:32,319 Speaker 1: really husband good. Yeah. If you find something funny that 648 00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:35,680 Speaker 1: other people may not, we love that stuff and we 649 00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:37,960 Speaker 1: want to hear about it, Um, send us an email 650 00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:47,319 Speaker 1: with it to Stuff Podcast at how stuff works dot com. 651 00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:50,000 Speaker 1: Be sure to check out our new video podcast, Stuff 652 00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:52,680 Speaker 1: from the Future. Join how Stuff Work staff as we 653 00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:59,160 Speaker 1: explore the most promising and perplexing possibilities of tomorrow, brought 654 00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:01,600 Speaker 1: to you by the rein into two thousand twelve. Camry, 655 00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:03,280 Speaker 1: It's ready, are you