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Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of the Giants Huttle Podcast. John

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Speaker 1: schmokeling me today. Our guest from CBS Sports is the

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Speaker 1: one and only Ryan Wilson. But first a reminder. The

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Speaker 1: If you love mock drafts, you love this guy because

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Speaker 1: CBS has him doing it, but it it seems like every

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Speaker 1: other day. He just came out with a three round

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Speaker 1: mock which will kind of use as a blasting off

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Speaker 1: point for our Giants discussion in terms of what they

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Speaker 1: might do in the draft. He also um host a

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Speaker 1: draft podcast with Rick Spielman for CBS Sports with the

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Speaker 1: first pick. He is the one only Ryan Wilson from

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Speaker 1: CBS Sports. Ryan, We've been doing this draft stuff on

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Speaker 1: kind of separate channels for a while. It's finally good

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Speaker 1: to have you on the showman. It's a pleasure. How

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Speaker 1: are you. I'm good, John, Thanks for having me. I'm

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Speaker 1: happy to do this. Look, man, it's it's my Christmas,

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Speaker 1: so I gotta I gotta embrace it. And I sort

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Speaker 1: of half Christmas, half like stay four in a casino

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Speaker 1: where you know there are no windows. Everything's crazy. They're

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Speaker 1: pumping oxygen there. You're sort of running on fumes. That's

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Speaker 1: what I feel like at this stage in the in

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Speaker 1: the draft process. Yeah, we've had your colleague, mister Trapasso

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Speaker 1: do a really good job. We appreciate the time. So

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Speaker 1: let's start with this. What's your method for putting your

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Speaker 1: mock drafts together? You do so many of them, how

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Speaker 1: do you how do you do them? And what's your

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Speaker 1: Because I'm sure you want them all to be different.

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Speaker 1: You don't want to be repetitive, but you don't want

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Speaker 1: as we move ahead here. Yeah, this is the first

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Speaker 1: gonna just space them out and and maybe have my

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Speaker 1: maybe I would do one once everything six weeks or so,

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Speaker 1: and then about halfway through the fall, they're like, you know,

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Speaker 1: I'll just go ahead and do one every week. So

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Speaker 1: I'm back to that. Typically in a year prior to this,

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Speaker 1: twenty seven on Mick Draft verse twenty seven. We're down

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Speaker 1: the home stretch. But the overall takeaway is prior to

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Speaker 1: If I did that, I would have no time to

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Speaker 1: do anything else. John, So I had to let it go, yeah, absolutely,

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Speaker 1: He's driving another road mind in his own business takes. Sorry.

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Speaker 1: be breaking news here, Marvin Harrison Jr. In person is

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Speaker 1: ran routes for CJ and caughtson passes and there's several

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Speaker 1: that the Jaguars supported a lot of money in free agency,

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Speaker 1: had a lot of draft picks, and they got a

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Speaker 1: lot of in return from those players during the course

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Speaker 1: of this season. The Giants did it with who they had,

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Speaker 1: and they did it without Kanarius Tony, and they did

431
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Speaker 1: it without Wandel who got hurt. By the way, I

432
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Speaker 1: saw Wandel in Lexington on Friday. He looked good. So

433
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Speaker 1: there's your Wandale Robinson an update. But I give Brian

434
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Speaker 1: in that staff and the players a lot of credit

435
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Speaker 1: for what they were able to accomplish. So if now

436
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Speaker 1: you're building around Daniel Jones and that means taking a

437
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Speaker 1: center ten picks before you wanted to. If that's the case,

438
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Speaker 1: go crazy. I mean, I mean, the whole idea is

439
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Speaker 1: to keep Daniel Jones up right and keep Sakewon Barkley healthy,

440
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Speaker 1: and that goes a long way in that direction. I

441
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Speaker 1: feel like, you know you just mentioned those centers, have

442
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Speaker 1: you know, second round grades for you? How many actual

443
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Speaker 1: first round grades, true first round grades do you have

444
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Speaker 1: in this class? Because I gotta be honest with you,

445
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Speaker 1: I've gone through it. This is probably as few as

446
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Speaker 1: I've had in a draft in a few years. I

447
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Speaker 1: just don't think there are that many first round players

448
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Speaker 1: like in the class, and I'm not sure there's gonna

449
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Speaker 1: be one left on the board when the Giants get

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Speaker 1: the twenty five. Banks would be one for me, by

451
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Speaker 1: the way, So if he gets to twenty five. I

452
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Speaker 1: think the Giants would be very happy and I would

453
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Speaker 1: be very happy with the pick. But how many actual

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Speaker 1: first round players do you do you have? Ryan, I'm

455
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Speaker 1: looking right now and it fluctuates, but I met thirty one,

456
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Speaker 1: so I literally have thirty one. And I'll tell you

457
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Speaker 1: the guys who were just outside looking in key On White,

458
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Speaker 1: the edge rusher out of Georgia Tech. Who who is

459
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Speaker 1: going to be a really good football player, Duan Jones

460
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Speaker 1: just because of the weight issues. We're trying to sort

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Speaker 1: that out. He's another good football player, but they all

462
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Speaker 1: feel stuff that we were talking about earlier that we

463
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Speaker 1: don't necessarily think about his fans or media types. That's

464
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Speaker 1: a problem. Luke Musgrave the Tienada, Oregon State. Some teams

465
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Speaker 1: are much higher on than I am. But he's a

466
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Speaker 1: good football player. Keith Ringo we talked about than tipping.

467
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Speaker 1: And I'll mentioned one more name and I I don't know

468
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Speaker 1: if you've seen him, John, but Kalaja Kancy, the defensive

469
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Speaker 1: tackle out of pitt and folks are I had him

470
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Speaker 1: going in the third round of this mocks trapped and

471
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Speaker 1: folks were really angry about that. He is a lot

472
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Speaker 1: of fun to watch. But here's the thing that Rick

473
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Speaker 1: keeps reminding me, just in general, when you fall in

474
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Speaker 1: love with players. He's six feet I think he's two

475
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Speaker 1: eighty is up the double check. But he has thirty

476
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Speaker 1: inch arms, like thirty ms arms. That's like for a comparison,

477
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Speaker 1: Dwan Jones has thirty six and five incentch charms, So

478
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Speaker 1: that's a six inch advantage in terms of reach and

479
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Speaker 1: probably like literally one hundred pounds. But the quickness is undeniable.

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Speaker 1: The things that he does und a nible. But if

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Speaker 1: you take him in the first round, he has to

482
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Speaker 1: be an absolute home run, and I don't think he is.

483
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Speaker 1: And that's no disrespect to him because he's a great

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Speaker 1: football player. But the problem is, and we start sort

485
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Speaker 1: of clustering these players, is okay, this guy if he

486
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Speaker 1: were in Nick Poster's body, grand slam, right, he's not

487
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Speaker 1: the same thing that the break shown conversation, but on

488
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Speaker 1: the other side of the football. So anyway, not to

489
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Speaker 1: get too far field ups going on my list of

490
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Speaker 1: guys here, so I have thirty one now that could change,

491
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Speaker 1: but Jammir Gibbs is in there. I like him as

492
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Speaker 1: a first round pick, like I love Jamir Gibbs, Anton Harrison,

493
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Speaker 1: the left tackle at Oklahoma's in there. I've heard from

494
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Speaker 1: teams that the league's higher on him than the media

495
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Speaker 1: folks are. And I like his tape. So there's some

496
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Speaker 1: guys in there that maybe and I'll ask you, like

497
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Speaker 1: a Lucas van Nest, for example, who never started a

498
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Speaker 1: game at Iowa, who's pretty young to seventy five, but

499
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Speaker 1: I've talked to teams to say he can put on

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Speaker 1: fifteen pounds all day long and he's going to be

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of buzz from his pro day last

502
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Speaker 1: week two in Columbus. I think either the Columbus or Alabam.

503
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Speaker 1: I can't remember when the pro day was for Iowa,

504
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Speaker 1: but there's the jj WAT buzz with Lucas Fanes, So

505
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Speaker 1: that's another name to keep an eye on. He's kind

506
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Speaker 1: of one of those is he at tackle, is he

507
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Speaker 1: at end? He can do both. He kind of has

508
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Speaker 1: that vibe to him. No question. Second round, Ryan, you

509
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Speaker 1: had the Giants taking Steve a Villa. You mentioned it

510
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Speaker 1: a guard. You think he could play center. I think

511
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Speaker 1: his tape is very strong. I don't frankly have him

512
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Speaker 1: ranked that far below Osirius Torrens. To be honest with you,

513
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Speaker 1: I don't have much separation between those guys, So I

514
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Speaker 1: think that's really good value for the Giants and round

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Speaker 1: number two, and then let's go to your third round pick,

516
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Speaker 1: and then I want to touch on some playmakers with

517
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Speaker 1: you before we before we say goodbye. You have the

518
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Speaker 1: Giants and you mentioned this earlier going running back in

519
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Speaker 1: round number three, picking Keaton Mitchell, the running back out

520
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Speaker 1: of East Carolina, And it looks like you had a

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Speaker 1: lot of running backs off the board before the Giants

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Speaker 1: took Mitchell. I have not watched Mitchell yet, we haven't

523
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Speaker 1: talked about him much on our podcast, So why don't

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Speaker 1: you give me the lowdown on Mitchell and kind of

525
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Speaker 1: how the running backs fell in this draft a little bit?

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Speaker 1: All right, let me ask you, first of all, how

527
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Speaker 1: are you with the running back in the third round?

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Speaker 1: Is that too rich? How did Giants fans feel about that,

529
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Speaker 1: because that's my primary good question. I think they would

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Speaker 1: prefer four round four, but I think round three you

531
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Speaker 1: wouldn't get a ton of blowback if you got the

532
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Speaker 1: right guy, because I think they understand that sae Quon's

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Speaker 1: on the one of your franchise tag, but I think

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Speaker 1: they would prefer to wait to day three given the

535
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Speaker 1: depth of the class if they could, and Keaton very

536
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Speaker 1: well could be their day three. And he is not

537
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Speaker 1: sae Quon body type like no Squon, but even body

538
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Speaker 1: type boys. He's five eight the comment he's five eight

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Speaker 1: one seventy nine, but he ran a four three seven

540
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Speaker 1: and that gets your attention. But you watch him play

541
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Speaker 1: and he is electric and he'll run between the tackles.

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Speaker 1: But the way it's going to be an issue, I

543
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Speaker 1: thought I liked him to change a pace back. He

544
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Speaker 1: can help you in the past game. Let me see

545
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Speaker 1: him reading my notes here. He just turned twenty one,

546
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Speaker 1: so he's extremely young. Didn't fumble at all last season.

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Speaker 1: Lowsoner gravity builtoaded the ground, so he's pretty stocky even

548
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Speaker 1: though he's that one seventy nine to five eight sort

549
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Speaker 1: of makes him a little bit more compact. His short

550
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Speaker 1: eight quickness is through the roof and let's see here

551
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Speaker 1: regularly takes short gains and turns it into big plays.

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Speaker 1: That seems like something that might be good. Good in

553
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Speaker 1: terms of going in the right direction towards the towards

554
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Speaker 1: the end zone. There consistently makes the first defender miss

555
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Speaker 1: in space, sets up block as well, and use a

556
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Speaker 1: change of pace to beat defenders. But again the issue

557
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Speaker 1: is the size. He won't run through a lot of

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Speaker 1: arm tackles. None of these guys can block, like none

559
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Speaker 1: of these guys can block except for maybe Roshan Johnson

560
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Speaker 1: out of Texas. Bejon tries. I give him credit for that,

561
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Speaker 1: and he's not much. It's hard to when I say that.

562
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Speaker 1: So he has focus drops at times. He only had

563
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Speaker 1: thirty four pass targets and he had four drops in

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty three. And what I was going to say

565
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Speaker 1: is that a lot of times running backs aren't used

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Speaker 1: in the past game in college. That doesn't mean they

567
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Speaker 1: can't catch. That's just not the offense they were in.

568
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Speaker 1: So that's something that you have to ask questions about.

569
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Speaker 1: So I'll have to go to a scouter and say, hey, Yo,

570
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Speaker 1: what's the deal with this guy? Because what you see

571
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Speaker 1: on Saturdays doesn't necessarily mean that he can or can't

572
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Speaker 1: do that on Sundays. But just the explosiveness that he

573
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Speaker 1: provides is special. He's also returnability, so that that it

574
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Speaker 1: adds an extra layer in the in the special team's game.

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Speaker 1: There yeah, and if you know, you look at the

576
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Speaker 1: Michigan how's the club going over there? You little strobe lights? Yeah,

577
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Speaker 1: I don't know. My my overhead here has decided the

578
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Speaker 1: flash for some reason. So we'll trying to figure out

579
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Speaker 1: what the heck's going on with that. I'm sure that

580
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Speaker 1: it'd be a good electrical problem. Uh. But um, it's funny,

581
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Speaker 1: you know you mentioned you know, you don't know these

582
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Speaker 1: kids can catch it on. Look at the Michigan State

583
00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:24,800
Speaker 1: kid that Seattle pick last year, he didn't do anything

584
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Speaker 1: in the passing in gets to the pros. It's fine,

585
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Speaker 1: So it's right right. You kind of have to figure

586
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Speaker 1: that out a little bit. So at what point or

587
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Speaker 1: did you at all consider a wide receiver for the

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Speaker 1: Giants with one of these three picks, Because knowing the

589
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Speaker 1: Giant fans the way I do we take we have

590
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Speaker 1: a call and show every day. We talked to Giant

591
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Speaker 1: fans and they all want another receiver to help out

592
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Speaker 1: the passing game. Here, Ryan, did you just not find

593
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Speaker 1: value there? Did it not fall right? And what's your

594
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Speaker 1: overall take on the wide receiver class? And look, we

595
00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:52,399
Speaker 1: know the Giants of a bunch of guys that can

596
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Speaker 1: play the slot. They're looking for outside guys, and besides

597
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Speaker 1: Quentin Johnson, I know there's not a maybe necessarily a

598
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Speaker 1: ton of them. Yeah, it's funny you mentioned that because

599
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Speaker 1: previous mock drafts, going back weeks and months, I've had

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Speaker 1: the Giants targeting wide receivers in the first round and

601
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Speaker 1: after the who they signed in free agency. Here, let's

602
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:15,919
Speaker 1: see Powis Campbell, jeff There Smith. Yeah, so they have

603
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:18,720
Speaker 1: some some guys that can help, but no no difference makers.

604
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Speaker 1: But even though once the roster was starting to fill

605
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Speaker 1: up in the wide receiver's room, um Rick Spielman would

606
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Speaker 1: be like, h okay, let's quit draftsing wide receivers in

607
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Speaker 1: the first round. Let's focus on other needs. So he

608
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Speaker 1: was a little bummed out by that, but whatever. So

609
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Speaker 1: I think wide receivers are legit need for sure in

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Speaker 1: round one. You could absolutely go wide receiver round one

611
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Speaker 1: and then circle back and get a center in around two. Because,

612
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Speaker 1: as you alluded to, this wide receiver class isn't that deep.

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Speaker 1: It starts with it's gonna be interesting to see he

614
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Speaker 1: goes first. So whether it's Quentin Johnson or Jordan Addison

615
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Speaker 1: or Jackson Smith and Jigba, who has a chance to

616
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Speaker 1: be wide receiver one. I don't know. All three of

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Speaker 1: those guys shouldn't be there at twenty five. One of

618
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Speaker 1: them maybe Zay Flowers, another guy that I've heard that

619
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Speaker 1: teams like more than media folks. And Zay Flowers is

620
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:05,480
Speaker 1: a great player. You played for a bad quarterback in

621
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Speaker 1: a system at BC where he was doing most of

622
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:09,400
Speaker 1: the work. So there's definitely an opportunity for a quarter

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Speaker 1: a wide receiver to be there in round one and

624
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Speaker 1: round two. And then the problem is this draft class

625
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:18,080
Speaker 1: isn't comparable to the previous year's draft classes and that

626
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Speaker 1: there's not that deep after Jets Smith and Jigba, Quentin Johnson,

627
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:24,960
Speaker 1: Stave Flowers, Jordan Adison, there's a little drop off Jail

628
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:27,160
Speaker 1: and Hide's home run hitter, and in some level maybe

629
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Speaker 1: he makes sense as an outside guy at Tennessee just

630
00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:32,800
Speaker 1: running go routes all day and just see if you

631
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Speaker 1: can make him out outrun the ball, which he rarely happens.

632
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Speaker 1: He reminds me a little bit of Mike Wallace and

633
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:41,439
Speaker 1: that he's a one trick pony right now. He's a

634
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 1: we talked to him. He's locked in like this guy

635
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:46,880
Speaker 1: took advantage of an opportunity of an injury played one

636
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:49,680
Speaker 1: year productivity because he was about backup prior to last year.

637
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:51,399
Speaker 1: But he took advantage of that for sure. But in

638
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Speaker 1: terms of big wide receivers, after Jordan, after Jale and Hide,

639
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Speaker 1: excuse me, you have Central Hillman his teammate, but he's

640
00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:02,440
Speaker 1: not particularly twitchy. Day guy Rashi Rice had a SMU

641
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 1: some people in media like more than I do. Like

642
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:06,280
Speaker 1: I have him as a Day three guy, like he's

643
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:08,199
Speaker 1: a guy who ran four or five. I think he

644
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:11,919
Speaker 1: plays lower than that, and maybe that changes. There's just

645
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:14,320
Speaker 1: Fray Palmer out of Braska who's a burner. Jaden Reid

646
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:17,680
Speaker 1: who's a little undersized. I like at Perry out of

647
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:20,159
Speaker 1: wake Forest. I think he's a good player. At Perry's

648
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:22,960
Speaker 1: in the same sort of cluster with Rashi Rice, big guy.

649
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:26,440
Speaker 1: He ran faster than he played I thought. But again,

650
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:28,640
Speaker 1: you're in that weird offensive wake Forest and sometimes it's

651
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:30,639
Speaker 1: hard to make those evaluations. I had that issue with

652
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:32,680
Speaker 1: Josh Palmer come out of Tennessee a few years ago.

653
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:35,359
Speaker 1: I wasn't high on him at all and he had

654
00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:37,680
Speaker 1: a bad quarterback situation. Turns out when you play with

655
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:39,840
Speaker 1: Justin Herbert, you're a little better football player than you're

656
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:42,680
Speaker 1: playing with with the Tennessee quarterback whose name I can't remember.

657
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:46,000
Speaker 1: But they're gonna be guys there. Xavier Hudgerson, Michael Wilson

658
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:48,600
Speaker 1: neither rean the forty they wanted, but they both They're

659
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:53,360
Speaker 1: both solid outside guys, possession receivers. They're not gonna win

660
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:56,920
Speaker 1: necessarily consistently down to the field. But at Perry might

661
00:28:56,920 --> 00:29:00,200
Speaker 1: be a guy that you target day two, maybe ye three.

662
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:01,920
Speaker 1: I would take Ni day three, but teams might like

663
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 1: him more than I do, So there'll be options there

664
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 1: just won't be the options we've seen in the last

665
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:10,080
Speaker 1: few draft classes, where guys come in in the third

666
00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:11,960
Speaker 1: round or fourth round are able to contribute right away.

667
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:13,680
Speaker 1: I don't think, maybe you mentioned some of these guys

668
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 1: are ready. But I'll take two big picture questions Ryan

669
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:18,520
Speaker 1: before we say goodbye. Guys that you really like in

670
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:22,160
Speaker 1: this class, maybe more than the consensus out there in

671
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:26,120
Speaker 1: media Twitter world. I don't know where folks are on

672
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:28,640
Speaker 1: Drew Standers. I've been on Drew Sanders since the fall

673
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 1: when I saw him play the Arkansas linebacker. He transfer

674
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:34,720
Speaker 1: from Alabama five star. He was an edge rusher there.

675
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 1: Somehow he couldn't get playing time over Will Anderson Dallas Turner,

676
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:40,200
Speaker 1: so he left. I get that, but he's six five,

677
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 1: two thirty in change. I don't think you ran at

678
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:45,640
Speaker 1: the double check. I don't thinking. I think it a

679
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 1: hamstring at the at the combine. I don't know if

680
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:50,560
Speaker 1: he ran at his proto either, but yeah, he didn't

681
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:51,600
Speaker 1: run at the comb I don't have to check the

682
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:53,680
Speaker 1: proto numbers. But he's fast. And that dude that he

683
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:55,479
Speaker 1: flashes on tape, so I don't know if people are

684
00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:58,400
Speaker 1: too very long. And one of the Knoxes that he

685
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 1: runs around tackle, runs around every off ball linebacker, runs

686
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:04,960
Speaker 1: around blocks. That that's not a surprise. Kean Whie I

687
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:07,320
Speaker 1: mentioned earlier. I don't I think he was a I

688
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:09,440
Speaker 1: don't think he had any stars coming out transfer mode.

689
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:12,280
Speaker 1: You oh, he got two stars, he told us. He said, yeah,

690
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:14,120
Speaker 1: I was a zero start until I was transferred to

691
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:17,480
Speaker 1: It's like got the offer for Moode you then you

692
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:19,760
Speaker 1: guys gave me two stars, which I thought was pretty funny.

693
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:21,760
Speaker 1: And he's up to two eighty two seventy five plays

694
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:24,280
Speaker 1: on the outside and he is a monster He's so

695
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:27,240
Speaker 1: much fun to watch. I like him a lot. I

696
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:30,560
Speaker 1: like a Twey two Polo two at the USC who's

697
00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:32,960
Speaker 1: sort of a Lucas Vanes Tweeter type. You don't know

698
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 1: exactly where to play him. Vans has more upside if

699
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:37,840
Speaker 1: you talk to folks in the league. He's my guy.

700
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:39,720
Speaker 1: And I'm mentioning one other guy that I know teams

701
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:43,080
Speaker 1: like more than draft media folks. Sam Laporter, the tight

702
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:45,840
Speaker 1: end in Iowa. I love Laporta. I don't have much

703
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:47,920
Speaker 1: separation between him and Musgrave, to be honest with you,

704
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:50,040
Speaker 1: I have them right in the same neighborhood beginning of

705
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:52,000
Speaker 1: the second round, to be quite honest, And that's where

706
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:53,840
Speaker 1: teams are, so that's a good place to be, right.

707
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:56,640
Speaker 1: So Michael Mayer not the best athlete, but he does

708
00:30:56,680 --> 00:31:00,720
Speaker 1: everything well. Dalton Kincaide he had injury issues and I

709
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:05,320
Speaker 1: think he only started because of injury. Is all receivers

710
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:08,040
Speaker 1: he has exactly he ain't gonna block, But at this

711
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:09,520
Speaker 1: point you're not drafting tied. It's the first time on

712
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:11,760
Speaker 1: the block unless it's dn't know Washington. But Sam laport

713
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:13,880
Speaker 1: is right there in that conversation. So those are some

714
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:16,720
Speaker 1: of the guys I like in UM. I like Peter Scronski.

715
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:19,200
Speaker 1: The tackle one Northwestern people complained about short arms. I

716
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 1: don't care about that. I had a scout tell me,

717
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:22,680
Speaker 1: you put him a tackle till he proves you can't

718
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 1: play tackle, and then then you go from there. But

719
00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:28,760
Speaker 1: I went back and watched so his teammate, Reshawn Slater

720
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:32,240
Speaker 1: sort of made his way around draft Twitter when he

721
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 1: did his thing against Chashan Ohio State. I went back

722
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 1: and watched last year's Michigan game Whereaskronsky had Aidan Hutchinson

723
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 1: and David Jabo Ojabo game a little trouble a few times.

724
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:45,160
Speaker 1: Aidan Hutchinson didn't have it, didn't do anything that game,

725
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:47,800
Speaker 1: and a lot of that was Peter Scronsky. So we're

726
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:50,000
Speaker 1: at the point of the process where we're just trying

727
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 1: to find holes in these guys. A lot of these

728
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 1: guys are good football players. We were at the point

729
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 1: where we're like, Okay, there has to be something wrong

730
00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 1: with him. I had a scout tell me once I

731
00:31:57,920 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 1: was talking abou quinnin Williams and he said, you know,

732
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 1: there doesn't have to be something wrong with a player,

733
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 1: And those are sort of words to remembered this time

734
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 1: of year because we're at the point where I think

735
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 1: we're thirty one days away. There has to be something

736
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:11,800
Speaker 1: wrong with this guy. So this is why we have

737
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:13,560
Speaker 1: to knock him. Yeah, it turns out you don't have

738
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:15,240
Speaker 1: to knock him. He could just be a really good

739
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:17,760
Speaker 1: football player. All right. Now, I'm gonna go to the

740
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 1: opposite give me some guys that everyone else loves. And

741
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:22,320
Speaker 1: you watch the tape and you're like, man, I just

742
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:25,960
Speaker 1: don't see it. Brian Berzie is the easy one, right.

743
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:29,280
Speaker 1: So Brian Brazie had a Clemson five star coming out

744
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:32,280
Speaker 1: and all this hype about him and Miles Murphy and

745
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 1: Miles Murphy I get. He's only just turned twenty one

746
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:37,120
Speaker 1: in January and he's continuing to grow into his body.

747
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:39,400
Speaker 1: But Brazi had a tough year last year. But here's

748
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:42,120
Speaker 1: the thing. We talked to him. He's a great, great dude.

749
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 1: He lost his sister too, I think cancer. He lost

750
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:50,440
Speaker 1: her last year. He had all these random ailments he had,

751
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:53,320
Speaker 1: like a respiratory infection. He hit another infection the year

752
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:55,760
Speaker 1: before he towards ACL So everything has gone wrong for

753
00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:58,480
Speaker 1: this young man and he's still fighting and I think

754
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 1: once you get over that and realized that again these

755
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:03,440
Speaker 1: are awf the field things that sometimes fans don't even

756
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:07,160
Speaker 1: know about, and it explains a lot. But just watching

757
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 1: his tape, I knew nothing else to buy him and

758
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:10,080
Speaker 1: be like, Okay, I don't I don't get the top

759
00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:12,920
Speaker 1: ten buzzs, but he he has first round talent. You

760
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:14,520
Speaker 1: just have to be you have to understand that this

761
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 1: man has gone through a whole lot, and once he

762
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:18,920
Speaker 1: gets through it as much as you can from losing

763
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:21,520
Speaker 1: the family member, I think he'll be be a special player.

764
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 1: That's one guy, cam Smith we talked about just be

765
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 1: on the field stuff. I liked him, I didn't love him.

766
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 1: I didn't get all the first round buzz just from

767
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:33,360
Speaker 1: watching him. I watched four of his games. Trenton Simpson's

768
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:37,200
Speaker 1: another guy that I don't get. The linebacker out of Clemson.

769
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:40,080
Speaker 1: Fantastic athlete, but I had a scout described to me

770
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:41,920
Speaker 1: what I was trying to verbalize, and I really couldn't.

771
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:44,840
Speaker 1: He plays football like he's looking through a straw in

772
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:46,640
Speaker 1: that he doesn't have a lot of awareness around him,

773
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:49,560
Speaker 1: and like athletically he'll test off the charts and he

774
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 1: did do that at the combine, but you like a

775
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:54,480
Speaker 1: little more awareness. He didn't see that play in and

776
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:56,760
Speaker 1: play out. Doesn't mean he can't grow into it or

777
00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:58,480
Speaker 1: he won't grow into it. But as we sit here,

778
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:01,520
Speaker 1: that's part of the concern. The other guy, I'll mention

779
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:03,800
Speaker 1: it is Mozzi Smith out of Michigan. I wanted to

780
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:06,160
Speaker 1: see more from Mozzi Smith the defense tackle because athletically

781
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:08,360
Speaker 1: I think he was number one on Bruce Felm's free clips.

782
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:10,200
Speaker 1: I don't see it on tape though I watched him

783
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 1: a few days ago. I don't see that. Like he's

784
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:14,080
Speaker 1: strong and he moves guys with his arms, but I

785
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:17,239
Speaker 1: don't see the explosion like the testing you know what

786
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:19,719
Speaker 1: wants to show you. Yeah, and that's the thing. You

787
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 1: don't see it every single play. And I was talking

788
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:22,880
Speaker 1: to a team about him, and they said, at what

789
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:25,319
Speaker 1: point is it okay? This just isn't gonna happen because

790
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:28,279
Speaker 1: you keep talking him up and it doesn't. It's the

791
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:30,359
Speaker 1: consistencies in there. It doesn't mean it can't happen, doesn't

792
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:31,600
Speaker 1: mean he can't get the right coach. He doesn't mean

793
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:33,880
Speaker 1: he's not properly motivated, so on and so forth. But

794
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:35,839
Speaker 1: in terms of where we sit right now that those

795
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:38,319
Speaker 1: are some of the guys that have questions about less

796
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:41,560
Speaker 1: so about Brazil just because of the off field stuff,

797
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 1: the things he's had to deal with. I think physically

798
00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:46,319
Speaker 1: he can, he can be special, but you just have

799
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:48,359
Speaker 1: to understand that the young man went through a whole

800
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:50,800
Speaker 1: bunch of the last twelve months. Yeah, Trent and Simpson,

801
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 1: I'll throw this out there too. He talked to a

802
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 1: boy who do we talk to, Mickey Piler, who does

803
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:58,800
Speaker 1: a show down there in South Carolina, covers Clemson yesterday

804
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:01,120
Speaker 1: on one of our other shows, and he just talked

805
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 1: about how he struggled so much inside. And I think

806
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:05,880
Speaker 1: if this was the NFL ten years ago and you

807
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:08,200
Speaker 1: actually had like four three week side linebackers that you

808
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:10,120
Speaker 1: could just put out there and have him run and

809
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:11,719
Speaker 1: run to the ball, I think that's kind of where

810
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:14,520
Speaker 1: you would fit. I'm just not sure that's a role

811
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:16,319
Speaker 1: in the NFL anymore. I think you would have to

812
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:18,840
Speaker 1: play inside. And to your point, with his inability to

813
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:22,880
Speaker 1: diagnose see and what's going on, I think it might

814
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:24,759
Speaker 1: be a tough goal for him. I kind of think

815
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:27,680
Speaker 1: of what Patrick Queen had issues with Baltimore a little

816
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 1: bit right when he started. It's you know, I think

817
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:33,239
Speaker 1: there has to be the right fit for him for

818
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:35,759
Speaker 1: it to work early on, and Patrick Queen had much

819
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:38,360
Speaker 1: better tape coming out. Yeah he didn't. That's that's the difference.

820
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:40,640
Speaker 1: That's one of the differences. But that's the math that

821
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:42,640
Speaker 1: you have to do and figure out, and you know,

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Speaker 1: that's what makes it incredibly fun but also mad name

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Speaker 1: because there's no You're never gonna have all the answers,

824
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Speaker 1: no question, Ryan, awesome stuff. Man, Tell the folks. I

825
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:54,759
Speaker 1: know I mentioned the Star, but why don't you do

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Speaker 1: it yourself where they can find though your work and

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Speaker 1: what you're up to. Yeah. Absolutely. Seebiasports dot Com got

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Speaker 1: me doing these mock drafts usually once a week, but

829
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Speaker 1: also three times a week because you know, c basically

830
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Speaker 1: get their money's worth. Me and Rick Spielman, the former

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Speaker 1: Vikings shout manager, do a podcast called with the First

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Speaker 1: Pick where we eat your podcasts and it's great not

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Speaker 1: because of me, it's great because of him. And Rick

834
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Speaker 1: says all the time he's not his now plans of

835
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:17,839
Speaker 1: going back to the league, so he is an open book.

836
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Speaker 1: He will talk about literally anything, and I've learned more

837
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:23,120
Speaker 1: in three months with Rick than I learned in the

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Speaker 1: previous fifteen years how long I've been doing this. So

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Speaker 1: check that out. If you like podcasts, if you like

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Speaker 1: the draft, and if you want to support a guy

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Speaker 1: as rickles to say, he's trying to rub two nickels

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Speaker 1: together to earn a living. Yes, and we will try

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Speaker 1: to effort to get Rick on the show here before

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Speaker 1: the draft as well. Ryan, good stuff man. We'll talk

845
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Speaker 1: to you down the road. We appreciate the time. Thank you, John.

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