Speaker 1: Hello everyone, I'm Anissa Ferrara. Hey y'all, I'm Davion Rogers
Speaker 1: and this is MTV's official challenge podcast, the Best Podcast,
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Speaker 1: you just looking yawn? They would have never known that
Speaker 1: if you hadn't said you. This lady put two hands
Speaker 1: up to yawn like it was a wall, and I
Speaker 1: couldn't see her. I'm so mad. No one can see us,
Speaker 1: but what they can see is this week's episode. Let's
Speaker 1: talk about it. Yes. Oh, first of all, shout out
Speaker 1: to this entire season, because so far this has been
Speaker 1: such a great season, saying cliffhangers and all, it's been
Speaker 1: really really good. This particular episode came in Hot Hot
Speaker 1: Were you expecting Ben and Casey to be the ones
Speaker 1: thrown into elimination? No? I had no idea that through
Speaker 1: me for a loop because it was Durrell and Kiki
Speaker 1: doing right, and because of that, I feel like they
Speaker 1: were just a mouthpiece for a bigger situation that was
Speaker 1: going on. Yeah, and it's so crazy, Sam, It's so
Speaker 1: crazy because I've been over here fighting the air and
Speaker 1: calling it Durrell because I would be wanting him to
Speaker 1: make some big moves, but he's so busy, like, oh,
Speaker 1: I don't want to do anything because I don't want
Speaker 1: to shake the tables. And you literally just shook a table.
Speaker 1: You did, You picked up the table and you shook it.
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, like not even realizing it, just shook
Speaker 1: a table. Because now it's did he think that because
Speaker 1: they thought that they were when when Casey and Ben
Speaker 1: are like self proclaimed, we are at the bottom of
Speaker 1: these alliances? Yeah, you know, did Darrell then think? You
Speaker 1: know what? I just tossed him and it's not a
Speaker 1: big deal. Unbeknownst to him and me because I found
Speaker 1: out Casey been working. I didn't know that Casey. I
Speaker 1: had no clue. Listen, Casey been doing some things this season,
Speaker 1: no clue, Like I'm loving watching her play this season.
Speaker 1: I want to assass him because Casey doesn't bullshit, but
Speaker 1: she's also she's not stupid. She may be nice, but
Speaker 1: she's not stupid, and all of that is being shown
Speaker 1: this season, and I'm super, super super excited for her.
Speaker 1: We are both signed up for this season. We should
Speaker 1: have went no, I mean just to watch it. Oh,
Speaker 1: because I'm flying. I'm flying right here. Except for this elimination.
Speaker 1: I think I would have been okay, this elimination. We
Speaker 1: would have did it. It was easy, mad me versu
Speaker 1: you or I would have held that for you and
Speaker 1: you would have just mapped it out. Yeah. I could
Speaker 1: have did the Mad. I couldn't have held it. I
Speaker 1: couldn't have held the way you could have held the
Speaker 1: way I could have held that. But Cake eight times
Speaker 1: for I looked at those equations to me out. I
Speaker 1: was really surprised that West didn't get that. I was
Speaker 1: very surprised West didn't get that. People get real like
Speaker 1: adrenaline of nerves really just get the best to you sometimes,
Speaker 1: where you just eight times four is every anything but
Speaker 1: thirty two. That just gets us to our segments of
Speaker 1: king or queen of the world and on another planet.
Speaker 1: So as always I always toss it to you, who
Speaker 1: is your king or queen of the world this episode,
Speaker 1: and who was on another planet. I have to give
Speaker 1: the queen to Emily. I just I know that if
Speaker 1: I am ever in a situation in the ocean and
Speaker 1: I can't make it back, Emily may day come in
Speaker 1: and get me. I feel like she is a lifeguard
Speaker 1: I've always wanted. I've never seen a woman swim that
Speaker 1: fast one of the life jacket. Even if she didn't
Speaker 1: have a life jacket, she beat the fast any of
Speaker 1: the fast people there, she went into that life jacket
Speaker 1: one she could have warned eighteen. I know she said,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna keep going back for yes, and I'm I'm
Speaker 1: gonna get him. Where was your ad West? Where? I mean, yes,
Speaker 1: where was you ad listen? Compared to her, anyone would
Speaker 1: have looked like a snail. She was so fast, So
Speaker 1: shout out to all of your training, because that's not
Speaker 1: something that's just like you just wake up and you're fast.
Speaker 1: Because I would have wrapped my little arms around her,
Speaker 1: and she would have been She would have carried me
Speaker 1: home because I could you imagine, and I would have
Speaker 1: had no shame. But we're gonna wind. I would have
Speaker 1: had no shame. We won't get last. I'll ride you
Speaker 1: and very little bitch the whole time. I don't care
Speaker 1: I look at a rag doll, but you know we
Speaker 1: won't be last, right, So who was on another planet
Speaker 1: for you this episode? I mean no offense to Grant,
Speaker 1: but I well, it just kind of was like everyone
Speaker 1: else hit the target, but you and Grants athletics. So
Speaker 1: this is no shade to him. Mean, it's a toss
Speaker 1: up between Grant and Ben and West not getting this
Speaker 1: eight times four. I'm really more mad at the eight
Speaker 1: times four. But Grant also physically made himself look like
Speaker 1: he was on another planet when he didn't make it
Speaker 1: like he was gone. It's so crazy that you say
Speaker 1: that because my king of the world is Grant, and
Speaker 1: I well, he did keep going. It's just something that
Speaker 1: really is like the marking of a good challenge. Yes,
Speaker 1: he gave it very much, and you know me, I
Speaker 1: am a sucker for the little engine they could, and
Speaker 1: he gave very much that Like he messed that knee
Speaker 1: leg whatever it was, he messed him myself usne and
Speaker 1: kept trucking right, and I just felt like physically he
Speaker 1: wasn't there, so it was like he's on another planet.
Speaker 1: But it really is the math that really got me
Speaker 1: this episode, So for me, it's more of the math,
Speaker 1: and now I feel bad. Yeah, it definitely was the math.
Speaker 1: It was the math because I didn't understand. I know,
Speaker 1: we both sat here watching and I was doing it
Speaker 1: in my head and I was like, why is this
Speaker 1: not happening for anyone else? Like what the fuck? What
Speaker 1: is going on? And my thing is I give people
Speaker 1: a lot of grace when you have to, like I
Speaker 1: don't know, drink something and induce a math, or run
Speaker 1: thirty miles and induce some math. Y'all just had to
Speaker 1: do some math. So y'all to walk a few steps
Speaker 1: in the sand and then math. This should have been
Speaker 1: an easy situation, like there was no I mean it's
Speaker 1: always pressure going into elimination, but there was no pressure
Speaker 1: to do this right now. There was pressure for the
Speaker 1: girls because well for Zara, there was pressure. Casey was
Speaker 1: holding it damn right right. Bizarre started why Ben didn't
Speaker 1: hold it because of his shoulder. Everything, Yeah, should one
Speaker 1: hundred percent because of his shoulder. He just had a
Speaker 1: surgery four months ago. He said, So we'll hear about
Speaker 1: it because we have the Chaos creator himself here today
Speaker 1: and Ben is going to tell us all about why
Speaker 1: he is the house's favorite challenger, yes, and what is
Speaker 1: what is pushing him, what it's like to win his
Speaker 1: first elimination, what it's like to be paired up with Casey,
Speaker 1: and what's it like to be kind of the odd
Speaker 1: man out and to to start, you know, piloting your
Speaker 1: own course. I'm so happy that he came to hang
Speaker 1: out with us, mister shaken table table again. Okay, so
Speaker 1: you won't be able to see the cowboy hat, but
Speaker 1: stay tuned. Our interview with Ben is coming up. Nack.
Speaker 1: This is the part of the podcast where we get
Speaker 1: to interview someone who's actually been creating a little well
Speaker 1: messie drama in the house and I'm not mad at it.
Speaker 1: The man in the hat. Please welcome Ben podcast. Thank you.
Speaker 1: Let's do it. Is it is it. It's messy, it's messy.
Speaker 1: It's good man, it's Ben. It's necessarily exactly we needed it.
Speaker 1: It's necessary. It's see, it's necessarily messy. See. Um, yes, Ben,
Speaker 1: I'm happy about what's going on. And I want to know.
Speaker 1: So you did challenge USA? Yeah? Yeah, did challenge usay
Speaker 1: with Justine, Danny and Sarah there, Okay, did you and
Speaker 1: Sarah have this like riff, then yes, why does she
Speaker 1: not like you? And do you not like her just
Speaker 1: as much? M I think? Um, I think the fallen
Speaker 1: out came on Challenge USA, and um we I realize
Speaker 1: that we weren't as good as friends as some might
Speaker 1: have thought. After VIR season forty and you know Danny
Speaker 1: and Justine in that train with Tyson, Like, granted, I
Speaker 1: probably do things to alienate myself, but you know, coming
Speaker 1: into Worlds, I didn't feels comfortable with Danny and Sarah.
Speaker 1: I felt really good with just team, but not so
Speaker 1: much with Danny and Sarah. And then the build up
Speaker 1: two Worlds, there was always like this distrust from that group,
Speaker 1: you know, with just communication and like it was just
Speaker 1: always felt like the outsiders. So going into Worlds, I
Speaker 1: felt that we were going to be Team USA strong,
Speaker 1: knowing that there was this riff that we were all
Speaker 1: trying to patch up coming into Worlds. But you know,
Speaker 1: you have to keep an eye on on the Survivors.
Speaker 1: So did you and Sarah play a similar game on
Speaker 1: Survivor or was it completely different? Um? No? I mean
Speaker 1: for my season that I won, I got to a
Speaker 1: certain point and then everybody thought that I was a
Speaker 1: biggest threat and tried taking me out, and so I
Speaker 1: was basically on my own from that one, and I
Speaker 1: had to get idols and get to the end and
Speaker 1: make fired. You know, I ended up winning with four already.
Speaker 1: I just really wanted to make an alliance, and so
Speaker 1: Tony and Sarah, like I stuck with him. I was
Speaker 1: the yes man with him, right, we were too copped
Speaker 1: in a marine and Jeremy was in there for wild Firefighter,
Speaker 1: and it was just like, yeah, let's all three you
Speaker 1: get to the end. I love Jeremy. Jeremy's incredible, and
Speaker 1: you know, that's kind of what's my game went on
Speaker 1: for that, and then coming into Challenge You to say,
Speaker 1: I hadn't really seen the Challenge, watched a couple of Challenges,
Speaker 1: and I knew it was a little different than Survivor
Speaker 1: and you could play a certain way it is. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I love them both, by the way. Yeah, and so
Speaker 1: I think that like the game plays from Survivor and
Speaker 1: the Challenge are like separate, And so I tried changing
Speaker 1: it during Challenge You to say maybe a little bit
Speaker 1: and not reliance so much on Sarah, which I didn't
Speaker 1: do on forty, but I wanted to keep the alliance
Speaker 1: where Yeah, Challenge, it's good to have alliances, don't get
Speaker 1: me wrong, but you don't have to have that number one.
Speaker 1: And if you go into elimination, you can end up
Speaker 1: saving yourself. But I didn't want Sarah and I to
Speaker 1: be a package and challenge you to say and I
Speaker 1: think that rubbed her the wrong way and it created
Speaker 1: just this rift between us, two good competitors, two winners,
Speaker 1: and uh now now it's playing out on the Challenge,
Speaker 1: so it's interesting. It's yeah, we're gamers and it is
Speaker 1: what it is, and no hard feelings towards Danny either
Speaker 1: or Sarah um or just E and you know we
Speaker 1: uh we all compete and they have their opinions and
Speaker 1: I have my opinions. And I think it kind of
Speaker 1: showed on this episode what everybody thought of each other
Speaker 1: coming into the worlds. Yeah, and we tried patching that
Speaker 1: and keeping that under you know, team USA strong. And
Speaker 1: once those cracks start feeling, you know, you get one
Speaker 1: freezing night and those cracks get bigger. So it's getting
Speaker 1: chili And now I don't want to fly past that.
Speaker 1: Like you didn't just say what you had just said, right,
Speaker 1: you made a statement that you weren't as closed or
Speaker 1: didn't trust or Danny anymore as you previously, but you
Speaker 1: still had a locked in with Jesse. What caused the
Speaker 1: detachment from what happened Sarah and Danny basically on Challenge
Speaker 1: us say it had to come down with Challenge us say,
Speaker 1: and Danny on Challenge you to say, I really thought
Speaker 1: we were good going into Worlds. Danny played a great
Speaker 1: game on Challenge you say, I thought we were golden.
Speaker 1: There was no riffs, We would talk to each other,
Speaker 1: you know, like what I assumed was men and be
Speaker 1: honest with each other. And and then you come into
Speaker 1: this one and he starts playing more of that KG
Speaker 1: so forever. I mean, I could just get that feeling
Speaker 1: from both Sarah and Danny where Danny's like mood completely
Speaker 1: changed and it's playing out now like he's playing a
Speaker 1: different game than he played on Challenge. You was say,
Speaker 1: great game, that's his that's his prerogative, being partner with
Speaker 1: Tory and wanting to vote Jordan. I don't know if
Speaker 1: that's like you beat that drum and eventually you're going
Speaker 1: to become a target. And I think that was My
Speaker 1: biggest problem being attached with Danny and Sarah was a
Speaker 1: drums that they were beaten. I didn't want to get
Speaker 1: in rhythm with them, you know what I mean? Um,
Speaker 1: Danny College, the way you said that, I may have
Speaker 1: to use it. You ever see me say that on TV?
Speaker 1: Just know that I might not give you credit, but
Speaker 1: I'll give you credit now. Yeah, just give me a
Speaker 1: little week. Just give me a little week. No, you know,
Speaker 1: And that's that's kind of you got to be fluent
Speaker 1: and flow with this game and your alliances. And honestly,
Speaker 1: if you're not feeling people and your your your alliances
Speaker 1: are like doing things like maybe feel make you feel
Speaker 1: uncomfortable or you know, I'm sure I was doing things
Speaker 1: that made them feel uncomfortable. But um, you know, I'm
Speaker 1: just not a yes man. I'm not going to sit
Speaker 1: there and do what I know. We saw that, right,
Speaker 1: I hate yes man, Like put up a bit of
Speaker 1: a fight, like nobody likes it easy, Like don't take
Speaker 1: it lying down. Like I'm very big on standing up
Speaker 1: for what you believe in and going against the grain sometimes.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's a strategic there's some strategy two going
Speaker 1: along with the group, even though you don't think the
Speaker 1: same as them, and then making necessary moves when you
Speaker 1: have to. But I don't know what's going to happen yet,
Speaker 1: so I can't assume that that's going to happen. All
Speaker 1: I know is that, I mean, it might be a
Speaker 1: weird transition. But I don't know about you, Ben, But
Speaker 1: do you think Durrell and Kiki throwing you in casey
Speaker 1: in was something that other people had maybe talked to
Speaker 1: them about in a way like, yo, you probably should
Speaker 1: do that. Yeah, definitely, that's what happened. Um. You know
Speaker 1: with the Australians, they were pretty good and of keeping
Speaker 1: their legends out of the loop, right, Yes, is awesome,
Speaker 1: but I think Emily kept him the darkness a lot
Speaker 1: of things, yes, yeah, yeah, and the same thing with um,
Speaker 1: you know, Kiki and Durrell having Sarah and Danny come
Speaker 1: to you and we were Australia USA stronger to start,
Speaker 1: so there was a base there, right, there was an
Speaker 1: absolute base. Um. The Australians were definitely weary of Troy
Speaker 1: and Kiki at the beginning of the season. I mean,
Speaker 1: Emily throws Kiki's name out and it's like the okay,
Speaker 1: we can put Keki in their two eliminations she goes
Speaker 1: in and the other thing against Claudia, and so there
Speaker 1: was a riff there all the whole time. But we
Speaker 1: were like, okay, the two strongest things, we get together.
Speaker 1: But then you start looking around and you see Troy
Speaker 1: and Amber on the bottom of Australia and Casey and
Speaker 1: I on the bottom of USA. And USA's not something
Speaker 1: I want to be a part of right now, you know,
Speaker 1: and everyone's you know, say what you want. Jordan. I
Speaker 1: really like Jordan out there. Um Me and him connected on.
Speaker 1: But you know, he when he went volunteery to go
Speaker 1: to Ukraine and help out at the very beginning of
Speaker 1: all that stuff, that was something I admired from being
Speaker 1: in the Marine Corps and going and represent your flag
Speaker 1: and just being in that kind of zone not a
Speaker 1: lot of people get to experience. And so I really
Speaker 1: like Jordan. Um. I wasn't scared to compete against Jordan
Speaker 1: in the final either, right, I'm not scared of Danny,
Speaker 1: I'm not scared of feel I don't Johnny West, none
Speaker 1: of them. You know, all these guys are all legends
Speaker 1: out there, and I'm out here to compete with the
Speaker 1: best and if I win, I'm gonna be the best.
Speaker 1: And if I lose, yeah, I'm gonna lose to the best.
Speaker 1: Right And so yeah, and everyone, first off, everyone out
Speaker 1: there is phenomenal. Right, Yeah, if you look at the teams,
Speaker 1: everyone's stacked. There's no worse worst part, like nobody's bad. No, no,
Speaker 1: it was impressive, honestly, all the legends were so impressive.
Speaker 1: And the same with the MVPs. And um lost my
Speaker 1: point there, but yeah, I want to when you say
Speaker 1: you're not a yes man, I completely agree. And we
Speaker 1: watched that play out in the previous episode, and I
Speaker 1: want to run back to that real quick. What made
Speaker 1: you shake the tables in such a way because it
Speaker 1: was a full blown earthquake, okay, And I just want
Speaker 1: to know what brought that about. It was a great television,
Speaker 1: but what brought it about strategically? So, um, yeah, so
Speaker 1: where did this go wrong? Danny came to me, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: right or wrong? Right? Right? On what side you're on?
Speaker 1: Danny came to me after a certain thing and it
Speaker 1: came out of nowhere and he was like, dude, are
Speaker 1: we are we out? Like we're not on the same
Speaker 1: page anymore? Right, And I'm like, what are you talking about.
Speaker 1: I'm like, no, I think we're good. Like we can
Speaker 1: have discussions and disagreements, but like, I'm pretty sure we're
Speaker 1: still on the same page. And so that was one
Speaker 1: of the key things. And then honestly, the way Sarah
Speaker 1: conducted herself in the house and like either spoke or
Speaker 1: didn't speak to me was concerning too. It was very distant, right,
Speaker 1: like people in your lines people. And and so I
Speaker 1: saw us as an option to go in through USA
Speaker 1: because of that, and I wanted to have you know,
Speaker 1: I just didn't want to sit there and be like, Okay,
Speaker 1: Australia USA, we'll get as far as we can. But
Speaker 1: there's two people at the bottom, which is clear and
Speaker 1: Troy and Amber and Casey and I that we're going
Speaker 1: to be thrown in. And so instead of voting out
Speaker 1: all these other numbers that everyone else wants to vote out,
Speaker 1: why not break off from that group, right, and then
Speaker 1: go pick up all these numbers before those numbers don't
Speaker 1: mean nothing and you have no more votes, right, you
Speaker 1: don't want to do anything too early. You don't want
Speaker 1: to do anything too late. And honestly, the flow of
Speaker 1: the game, like dictates how I maneuver my alliances and honestly,
Speaker 1: the people that are in those alliances. I like to
Speaker 1: align myself with good people, trustworthy people, and people that
Speaker 1: are going to give you the same respect back that
Speaker 1: you're given, right, Yeah, and so that's something I look
Speaker 1: forward in alliance and when that stuff starts falling out,
Speaker 1: like this is a game show, okay, Yeah, we are
Speaker 1: there to win money, and so that's what I do.
Speaker 1: I try to win money. So what is your with
Speaker 1: that criteria, right of what you look for in other allies?
Speaker 1: Which teams were your like perfect ally to have Casey,
Speaker 1: I mean that's the way. Yeah, you know, we um
Speaker 1: definitely vibe together. It was amazing. We would talk in
Speaker 1: the mornings and just have real quick talks, not be
Speaker 1: seen talking too much, and like we wanted to just
Speaker 1: go with the flow, right and just get to the end.
Speaker 1: That was our goal, get to the end, you know,
Speaker 1: not create too many ways. Oh. One of the other
Speaker 1: things that happened, say it one day, I was laid
Speaker 1: in bed all day okay and didn't get out of
Speaker 1: bed and was like it was the date of the
Speaker 1: elimination when West loss, and so we did dominations the
Speaker 1: night before went out, had a weird feeling, woke up
Speaker 1: like and just didn't want to get out of bed,
Speaker 1: and so stayed around the house. And then later on,
Speaker 1: right before the elimination, Casey came to me and she's like, hey,
Speaker 1: you should probably slow your role, like you're gaming a lot,
Speaker 1: like you know, you saw like you don't want to
Speaker 1: be doing what West is doing basically, And she didn't
Speaker 1: say that, but she other people said that I was
Speaker 1: doing that, and I'm like, where is this. I've been
Speaker 1: in bed all day today, like I haven't talked to
Speaker 1: anyone a day. What's going on? And so when we
Speaker 1: went to the elimination, I had such a funny feeling
Speaker 1: that I packed my bags before we went to the elimination,
Speaker 1: even in my civilian clothes, because that's how much of
Speaker 1: the vibe like everyone was given off and so that's
Speaker 1: why I packed my back. Are you normally like that though?
Speaker 1: Are you look a big energy like it shit feels
Speaker 1: off to you unpacking a shit like I'm getting ready?
Speaker 1: Yeah I gotta go, yeah, yeah, yeah, I've like yeah,
Speaker 1: there's been multiple times you know where, and it's really
Speaker 1: interesting on these shows. Can you just get these feelings
Speaker 1: and you wonder where they come from, you know. And
Speaker 1: I think it's being that close to that many people
Speaker 1: for that many hours that you just really start picking
Speaker 1: up energy. And I think that's the true thing, like
Speaker 1: positive energy, negative energy, and you know, little liars running
Speaker 1: around the house, you know. And there's also that paranoia
Speaker 1: that like people you try like to play the most
Speaker 1: level head of game you can, but you can't help
Speaker 1: think like there's somebody that had said something, there's somebody
Speaker 1: who's plotting about something. Yeah, but the way I the
Speaker 1: way I curbed a paranoia is like what have you seen?
Speaker 1: What have you heard? And what are the sources that
Speaker 1: you've either like heard them from, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: And so yeah, I get that. I'm just saying like
Speaker 1: when you get to like six weeks, ten weeks, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, like like being kind of like
Speaker 1: you know how the rooms are set up. It's just
Speaker 1: like people stop whispering or the whispering like you don't
Speaker 1: know what's going on. And I think it can happen.
Speaker 1: After a couple of weeks it starts to kick in
Speaker 1: of like not even paranoia, you know, somebody's talking about
Speaker 1: you somewhere yeah, there's these rooms were so close together
Speaker 1: and the hallways, like the mansion was beautiful, but like
Speaker 1: their voices would carry down the hallways and so like
Speaker 1: I heard Emily talking with Yes about throwing me in
Speaker 1: case yet because yes, you had no idea about like
Speaker 1: that plant, right, And so Emily's down in the in
Speaker 1: the quarter there and their voice or just echoing, and
Speaker 1: she's like it worked perfect, you know, Danny and Sarah
Speaker 1: and I wanted to get Ben in and like and
Speaker 1: just spilled the beans. Yes, and like finally brought Yes
Speaker 1: up to what was going on because the corner, Yes,
Speaker 1: like he was good with Amber and Troy and like
Speaker 1: there was nothing and uh yeah, and so I heard
Speaker 1: that all and I was just like you snap, like
Speaker 1: I knew it, you know what I mean, Like I'm
Speaker 1: wrong sometimes sometimes four that's when you're wrong. You're wrong,
Speaker 1: That's where I'm wrong. Yeah, I can't do that, but
Speaker 1: I get I guess I could read people pretty well though,
Speaker 1: and which is a skill. And also you know I
Speaker 1: think that watching you, Like, I mean, I've played this
Speaker 1: game more times than I than i'd like to admit
Speaker 1: or remember. Um, and it's stressful. But like I don't know.
Speaker 1: It takes like a certain person to like really stand
Speaker 1: up for themselves in these situations, especially when like they
Speaker 1: feel like they're being wronged or like pointed out. I
Speaker 1: don't know, I just I mean, I respect it. And
Speaker 1: it's fun to watch, like not fun, but I mean
Speaker 1: it's fun because I'm not there. Oh it's fun. It's
Speaker 1: really fun to watch because because I've been on it
Speaker 1: and Dave's been on it, and we know that like
Speaker 1: what it's like to kind of watch all of our
Speaker 1: friends protect our friends and you know, a long list
Speaker 1: of that which I get and I've been a part of.
Speaker 1: But I've also been on the side that you're on
Speaker 1: where it's like I want to you know, rock with
Speaker 1: who I rock with and run the final with who
Speaker 1: I respect and and you know, don't mind winning or
Speaker 1: losing to and you know, sometimes it works to your
Speaker 1: benefit and sometimes it doesn't. But it makes for great
Speaker 1: television to see somebody really stick to their guns and
Speaker 1: be like, nah, I don't want to do that exactly,
Speaker 1: but you know, our time score is whatever I think
Speaker 1: it is, Yeah, exactly, apple Pie, But um, nobody having
Speaker 1: Casey though I benefited by having a partner in Casey
Speaker 1: right where you look at the rift between touring Danny um,
Speaker 1: so being able to yeah, yeah, so being able to
Speaker 1: maneuver through the house with a partner I could trust
Speaker 1: and talk to and like rely on on a vote, right,
Speaker 1: you say you see it in this one, THEO says
Speaker 1: that like they're just it's a wasted vote. What's the
Speaker 1: point of like being aligned with you if you're not
Speaker 1: even like gonna your vote doesn't count. Your vote doesn't
Speaker 1: matter if you two can't decide, right. And then just
Speaker 1: the riff between Danny and Torry, I mean everyone you
Speaker 1: know in the room you could see it, and then
Speaker 1: it was just it was uncomfortable. It was really uncomble.
Speaker 1: But again that's the point of the challenges, to make
Speaker 1: you uncomfortable and kind of beat you down and then
Speaker 1: you know, bring you back up. So okay, so wait,
Speaker 1: before we go any further, hold on to you being
Speaker 1: cowboy hats. We need to take a quick break and
Speaker 1: we'll be right back after this. I want to get
Speaker 1: into this elimination, okay, because Durrell and keep well Durrell.
Speaker 1: Durrell said, as you and Casey immediately, what goes through
Speaker 1: your mind? So you see like on the show, like
Speaker 1: my head's down, I got my hat. I'm just ready.
Speaker 1: It's game time, right, I'm getting ready to go play football.
Speaker 1: I'm getting ready getting the shooting ride, a bowl, whatever
Speaker 1: it might be, you know what I mean. Like, I'm
Speaker 1: I got my game face on Casey and I m
Speaker 1: once our name's got nominated. She looked at me and
Speaker 1: she's like, hey, let's go do this. She's like, huh
Speaker 1: no celebrating, No, nothing was going there to take care
Speaker 1: of her business. And you know, get in and get out.
Speaker 1: And that's what we did. We went in there. You
Speaker 1: see us after we win. There was no fist bumps. No,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean between her and I. There
Speaker 1: was no clapping or flipping off the rest of the
Speaker 1: people in there, because we wanted everyone to know, look
Speaker 1: like you took a shot. We knew it was coming,
Speaker 1: but don't do it again. Yeah, you know I like that.
Speaker 1: I'd like how after the elimination, you guys did good cop,
Speaker 1: good cop, not good cop bad cop. You did good coup,
Speaker 1: good cop. No chicken legs through that. This conversation you
Speaker 1: guys have with Durrell and Kiki after the elimination, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, we just didn't want them because again, Kiki's
Speaker 1: on the bottom of the Australians from what I've seen, right, Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: they're Australian strong, which is fine, but there's Emily and
Speaker 1: Grant and then there's Kiki and Troy and that was
Speaker 1: kind of like straight from the horse's mouth of Grant
Speaker 1: and Emily and so m I didn't want to push
Speaker 1: Kiki away or Durell away. We knew it. I knew
Speaker 1: it was a situation. It was a shitty situation for them,
Speaker 1: and there was little birdies in their ears, on their shoulders, chirping,
Speaker 1: chirping pretty loud, and so I didn't I didn't want
Speaker 1: to push away, you know, Kiki Durell. I just want
Speaker 1: to be like, hey, man, I understand it, I respect it,
Speaker 1: you know, ken, I know, why can I deal and
Speaker 1: fill it out? And a little later on I think,
Speaker 1: like that night, Durell ended up just telling me he's like,
Speaker 1: you know, um, I didn't know who to say. I
Speaker 1: really didn't lie, like the fact that, you you know,
Speaker 1: try putting Troy and plus I had Sarah and Danny said,
Speaker 1: you know, I was greenlit to go in. Okay, there
Speaker 1: we go. Yeah, so whoa. Yeah, it's all stems from
Speaker 1: those feelings from you know, coming into worlds and at
Speaker 1: the end of a challenge you to say, well, doesn't
Speaker 1: that feel good though when you get that confirmation, because
Speaker 1: it lets you know I'm not paranoid, like this is
Speaker 1: for real, like this is what's really happening. Yeah, yeah
Speaker 1: it is because there is paranoia, Like I'm paranoid as well,
Speaker 1: but I think after being on time right like ye them,
Speaker 1: but I didn't feel like being on After so many times,
Speaker 1: you learn how to control which paranoia right, like it
Speaker 1: is actually real and the other part that's just like
Speaker 1: a phantom paranoia that just lives inside of me. Yeah, partmentalize. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So you get the news and Danny puts it out there,
Speaker 1: like Danny says to Dan, doesn't give a fuck, it doesn't.
Speaker 1: Danny was like Ben, you can go get bury even
Speaker 1: the sand with those math equations. You know what's funny
Speaker 1: is that Danny. Uh you know, I think all of
Speaker 1: us are liked that though, but when when our confessions
Speaker 1: and we're by ourselves were a certain way, but Danny
Speaker 1: was never that way to my face. Danny would was
Speaker 1: always respectful, kind, never portrayed any like. I mean we
Speaker 1: had that one conversation about like are we are we
Speaker 1: still together? And then she you know, it's you don't
Speaker 1: He's kind of two faced. I'll just say it, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean to my Like, after seeing that,
Speaker 1: I wish you would have just talked to me. And
Speaker 1: that's the thing with Danny and I think coming in
Speaker 1: I was willing to work with with Danny because we
Speaker 1: hadn't played together we had except on Survivor, right, but
Speaker 1: we played on Challenge of say that's a different thing, um,
Speaker 1: So I was really willing to work and talk and
Speaker 1: discussing through with Danny. On the other hand, Sarah like
Speaker 1: I know Sarah's game. I know I should play these games.
Speaker 1: I played these games with her, and I was very
Speaker 1: cagy with that. Plus Sarah's in Danny's here, and I
Speaker 1: think that's kind of what separated, Like, well, if you
Speaker 1: can do that her, you know, whatever it is, what
Speaker 1: it is. And I'm a loyal person. I really am. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like if you look on season forty, you know when
Speaker 1: Sarah got caught trying to vote me out and she
Speaker 1: didn't want to ruin any relationships. So I'm like, look,
Speaker 1: you can do it. I still love you. It's a game, well,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And and so I'm loyal
Speaker 1: un telling you you pissed me off, and as you
Speaker 1: should be. Yeah, yeah, So, No, I think Danny's a
Speaker 1: great guy. I had no hard feelings. Um, I think
Speaker 1: he blocked me or something on Instagram, which I think
Speaker 1: he probably has some hard feelings again for me. But
Speaker 1: you know, has Keiki set any text messages to I
Speaker 1: mean text messages. Has she tweeted about you? No? No,
Speaker 1: on the show in the game about his wife, Danny's wife, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, you know. And what's crazy is I had
Speaker 1: a survivor thing down there in Houston right before this
Speaker 1: World's event, and Danny was down there and Kiki was
Speaker 1: down there, and I'm telling you what, we had a
Speaker 1: hell of a time. They took me around Houston, took
Speaker 1: me to bars that I had never even thought i'd
Speaker 1: ever go to. It was so much I would love, Oh,
Speaker 1: it was everybody loved to see it though, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. In there. It was so much fun though,
Speaker 1: and I had a really good time. And so coming
Speaker 1: into the world, That's what I thought Danny's relationship was
Speaker 1: really you know, what I mean, And I think it
Speaker 1: just separated from like day one. I mean, I don't
Speaker 1: know they they had they were worried about me coming in.
Speaker 1: Justine talked about it on Banana's podcast, and all that
Speaker 1: did was it just confirm my feelings about like how
Speaker 1: they were feeling. So, you know, I have to ask,
Speaker 1: do you think if Sarah was not on this season?
Speaker 1: If she were not on this season, do you think
Speaker 1: you and Danny's relationship would be different or alliance would
Speaker 1: be different if she worked for a question. That's I mean,
Speaker 1: I guess I can only speak to that from my standpoint,
Speaker 1: and from my standpoint in Houston when it was just
Speaker 1: him and I and Kiki and you know, hanging out. Um,
Speaker 1: I think we would have been solid, right, But that's
Speaker 1: just from me right now. Yeah, I also thought that
Speaker 1: even with Sarah being on the show. I don't know
Speaker 1: what was put in ahead his head but or what
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know. I'm not sure. I can't
Speaker 1: speak for Danny. For me, I was one aligned with him,
Speaker 1: Justine about eighty percent aligned with Sarah only because of
Speaker 1: Justine and Danny and Tim USA. Yeah, realistically, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: let's keep this USA strong let's go together. We'll get
Speaker 1: to the end. And that's honestly what I wanted to do.
Speaker 1: That was my game plan going. And you know these
Speaker 1: games plans are I mean, it's being in the military.
Speaker 1: Your your plan is only as good as the first shot.
Speaker 1: And once the first shots taken, everything goes goes to shit.
Speaker 1: And well a shot was taken and it's gone to shit.
Speaker 1: So after that shot was taken and it went to shit,
Speaker 1: West had a lot to say. Yeah, how did you
Speaker 1: feel about his sweet sweet speech? You know, um, I
Speaker 1: thought it was pretty cool, honestly, because it's two worlds colliding.
Speaker 1: You got MTV, you got CBS, and you got such
Speaker 1: big characters and winners, and I mean, you guys have
Speaker 1: been on for multiple you guys are legends, right like
Speaker 1: the Challenge. The Challenge people are legends. You're not a
Speaker 1: legend and survivor unless you win, right, And so I
Speaker 1: don't know because the sorree is definitely to me, she
Speaker 1: is alleged, that's true. There's there's a couple outliers where
Speaker 1: all the challengers not and so with so many big
Speaker 1: personalities coming in and clide and you can see it,
Speaker 1: there's no weak links and then just that like it's
Speaker 1: almost was almost an acceptance from the MTV Challengers. Granted
Speaker 1: it was coming from the West, but you could see
Speaker 1: the way the rest of the legends are playing and
Speaker 1: they're giving respect to us, and I came in and
Speaker 1: talking like listen, I'm shut my mouth. This is your sandbox.
Speaker 1: I'm here to, you know, like build a couple of
Speaker 1: sand castles and call it good with with all the
Speaker 1: legends and obviously have my own agenda. I just wasn't
Speaker 1: as as stubborn about it, you know, some of the others,
Speaker 1: but you know, it's it's their sand pit. And to
Speaker 1: beat West was like crazy, especially you know, he's a
Speaker 1: self proclaimed genius and he is a genius and oh no,
Speaker 1: not win eight times four. But no, it was just
Speaker 1: it was cool. It was cool. It was maybe maybe yeah,
Speaker 1: but it was neat to all right, he's you girls,
Speaker 1: he's all right. Um, I don't want to sly past
Speaker 1: this entire episode and not acknowledge you winning your very
Speaker 1: first elimination because that is huge, Okay, in the challenged world,
Speaker 1: that is huge. So how did that feel to get
Speaker 1: your first win under your belt? Like that's that's a
Speaker 1: big deal. Yeah, it was. I screwed it through on
Speaker 1: USA never went into elimination um, and that was kind
Speaker 1: of like a tactic of mine too. I just I
Speaker 1: didn't want to go into elimination, have that year of
Speaker 1: like I just want to play it kind of safe.
Speaker 1: And this one I knew I was going to go
Speaker 1: into elimination. I didn't know when it was going to happen.
Speaker 1: And to get like my stripes against West and Zara,
Speaker 1: because Zara is a competitor. She is so fast, so strong,
Speaker 1: I mean, watching that girl run in the Qualifier episode
Speaker 1: one and like from there and on, she was so
Speaker 1: impressive and she's such a sweet all of all of man,
Speaker 1: it was incredible. The Argentine and MS and Uk it was.
Speaker 1: It was so much fun to be around so many
Speaker 1: people with so many different accents and uh you know,
Speaker 1: terms for words and slang and it was it was
Speaker 1: just a good time, like socially, to be around a
Speaker 1: different group of people like that. It was fun. But no,
Speaker 1: Zar and West. To get my stripes on was incredible,
Speaker 1: Like it's a big thing, I think, beating West, so yeah,
Speaker 1: not many people can say they got stripes off of him,
Speaker 1: so that is huge. Yeah, yeah, it's he's he's he's
Speaker 1: a legend in itself too, So it was it was cool.
Speaker 1: It was I'm gonna I'm honored, you know, I'm honored. Yeah, UM,
Speaker 1: want to get into this, this daily the challenge, right, Um,
Speaker 1: First of all, how far it was the slam because
Speaker 1: it looks a little brutal. It was brutal. It was brutal.
Speaker 1: So where we jumped off that um, the big old
Speaker 1: platform and that drop was forty feet, I mean it
Speaker 1: was high. It was like, I don't get scared. I
Speaker 1: wasn't scared, like watching like looking down at TJ, like
Speaker 1: you can't be scared, plus all the cameras, but there
Speaker 1: was like an actress seeing grant you. So I've done
Speaker 1: those flops before where you and you have to land
Speaker 1: on your back. You can't land on you but the
Speaker 1: safest way to do is just trust your fault. But
Speaker 1: you don't want to over like rotate either. So it's
Speaker 1: kind of a pury feeling. But we swam once we
Speaker 1: hit that, I don't know, it was a long way.
Speaker 1: We swam all the way to the end of this pit.
Speaker 1: It was like a rock quarry that was filled in.
Speaker 1: Definitely probably a football field and a half about one
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty yards, and then you had to swim
Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty yards, if not more, there's probably
Speaker 1: too fo I was probably four hundred yards. It was
Speaker 1: it was long. It was long. I was gassed my
Speaker 1: shoulder to swimming like that, Like I got a giant
Speaker 1: screw in my shoulder like four months. It's a huge
Speaker 1: giant screw and rubber bands and everything, and swimming I
Speaker 1: was like, holy, it's working my shoulders working in saying
Speaker 1: with the qualifier and it was cool. It was really
Speaker 1: neat for our viewers. So our listeners sorry who did
Speaker 1: not watch USA the can you tell them what happened
Speaker 1: to you and how you ended up getting injured? Yeah,
Speaker 1: so on challenge A say, during one of the mini finals,
Speaker 1: I fell with a tire. I had it wrapped around
Speaker 1: my neck and then underneath an armpit. And so when
Speaker 1: I fell, my right arm and shoulder completely separated and
Speaker 1: I collarbone. It tore all the I hate all of that.
Speaker 1: The rotator cuff in there as well, and then I
Speaker 1: had a tear in my meniscus, my left meniscus knee
Speaker 1: as well, core meniscus and rotator cuff and collarbone on
Speaker 1: the same thing. So then I wanted to compete. Like
Speaker 1: being able not to compete was like heartreaking being there
Speaker 1: in Patagonia and just knowing especially I love to do
Speaker 1: agree any because that's well, you know, sound like Uncle Rico,
Speaker 1: Like I could have won it, you know, I could
Speaker 1: throw this schooball over that their mountain, but um no,
Speaker 1: I had came home and I had surgery and a
Speaker 1: surgery on my knee and shoulder on the same day
Speaker 1: in the same like wow, same procedure. They moving around
Speaker 1: from one room to the other to the other and
Speaker 1: then back to the recovery room. And then four months
Speaker 1: later I was flying out to South Africa in Cape
Speaker 1: Town to go crazy if this thing works. Yeah, that's good.
Speaker 1: I'm glad that you came back from a lot of
Speaker 1: people say after shoulder surgery, sh it's not the same.
Speaker 1: I know after an injury like that, like shoulder injury
Speaker 1: period like impact, hitting water, swimming, like when you haven't
Speaker 1: done it in a while. Definitely, Like there's a neuromuscular
Speaker 1: aspect that like freaks you out about it, like you
Speaker 1: get kind of nervous that like, yeah, floming day happen,
Speaker 1: but you just power were through it and then you
Speaker 1: deal with it after. But that adrenaline something else too.
Speaker 1: It is. Yeah, I'm still doing physical therapy with it
Speaker 1: and us going every week and making sure getting back
Speaker 1: to one hundred percent. And now I'm feeling really good
Speaker 1: with it, and the same with money and just just
Speaker 1: health in general. That's good. That's good. So what was
Speaker 1: it like watching m Grant's injury in person? Like did
Speaker 1: you at that point? Did you everybody or you assume
Speaker 1: that he was out of the game or was it
Speaker 1: like fifty fifty toss up? Like how was that? No? Watching?
Speaker 1: So when he left the platform, like you knew it
Speaker 1: wasn't going to be good, Like I thought he was
Speaker 1: gonna hit the blob because when you see him jump,
Speaker 1: he jumps like to the side kind of deal instead
Speaker 1: of just straightforward. When he jumped aside, it just it
Speaker 1: it moved his like torso and but where you want
Speaker 1: to hit to the back and just moved it to
Speaker 1: the left, left, And when he hit that thing, everybody
Speaker 1: knew it was bad, especially because John Any didn't move
Speaker 1: but you know, three feet off the air and kind
Speaker 1: of just rolled up bag like he missed it completely,
Speaker 1: and to get caught in that little booty there in
Speaker 1: the wedge there, it was bad, but what a beast
Speaker 1: to continue on and swim with that bum knee like that, right,
Speaker 1: like yeah, he got out and you didn't really know
Speaker 1: he was here. He was like it's kind of messed up,
Speaker 1: but to hear what actually happened, like it was really impressive,
Speaker 1: like there's no quitna that guy. Yeah, how did it
Speaker 1: feel watching the fish the dolphin herself that Emily compete
Speaker 1: in this challenge to see an Olympian swim? Do you
Speaker 1: know what's crazy is I didn't get to actually see
Speaker 1: her compete. She was the one person her and yes,
Speaker 1: one compair that we didn't get to see compete like that.
Speaker 1: And I was really bummed because anybody swimming, I wanted
Speaker 1: to watch her swim. And when I got back, I
Speaker 1: was like did I miss it? Did I miss it?
Speaker 1: And like, yeah, you shoul seeing her, like I know
Speaker 1: she's one. Like to see an Olympians swim like that,
Speaker 1: you know, and just think like she was in a
Speaker 1: life vest and everybody was like, holy gosh, she's so
Speaker 1: she didn't have that life a song she'd be twice
Speaker 1: as fast thought about that, because that life has sucks.
Speaker 1: She was out like in a boat. I don't think
Speaker 1: it looked like she had like a motor underneath her.
Speaker 1: It was so her feet didn't even look like they
Speaker 1: were moving. I'm like, are you dolphin kicking under there?
Speaker 1: Because I didn't say, I'm like, yes, you'd have just
Speaker 1: gone our back and been like, I'm on dolphin like
Speaker 1: a jet ski. Everybody loved jets. But no, I mean yes,
Speaker 1: when he got out, he was like, damn that, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna be embarrassed, you know. But he's like, at least
Speaker 1: it's a golden medal, a gold medal Olympus. Though, I
Speaker 1: was like, you guys got to think that she's an Olympian.
Speaker 1: It was one gold medal, man, She's gonna be all
Speaker 1: the guys here, buddy. Yeah, I want to know this
Speaker 1: one thing to move a little bit forward. There was
Speaker 1: a moment and you had mentioned respect between the legends
Speaker 1: and the global competitors, and then we see this bananas
Speaker 1: and Sarah argument. My goodness, how did you feel about that?
Speaker 1: Watching that? That is your typical Sarah, you know, um,
Speaker 1: that is when she's hard headed. She's hard knows and
Speaker 1: when she's set in her way. She set her way
Speaker 1: right or wrong, and you know she can You can
Speaker 1: have a book in front of her and be like, hey,
Speaker 1: this book is read right and it's a red book,
Speaker 1: but she's like, no, it's blue and uh, and she's
Speaker 1: gonna stick to it. So watching that happen, it was
Speaker 1: not surprising watching Danny. You know, I just never saw
Speaker 1: that side of Danny on a challenge you to say
Speaker 1: at all, So um, that was really surprising too. And
Speaker 1: I just didn't I don't understand at this point. I
Speaker 1: get that you might not want to run against Jordan.
Speaker 1: Jordan's a beast. Jordan is a specimen of athleticism, right,
Speaker 1: Like the guy's phenomenal running and endurance and whatever else.
Speaker 1: But like you were partnered with like someone that's not
Speaker 1: gonna and she's already told Tori. He's already told Danny that,
Speaker 1: like Tory's not gonna say Jordan's name, you know, And
Speaker 1: I just, uh, I didn't want to be like it
Speaker 1: was just it confused me about where he was going, right,
Speaker 1: Like he talks about what direction are we headed in?
Speaker 1: And I think that's like the same thing I was asking, like,
Speaker 1: what are you what direction are you headed? Like, I
Speaker 1: understand your strategy, but how are we going to accomplish
Speaker 1: that without you pissing Tory off or making like a
Speaker 1: big fuss at a table in front of every right,
Speaker 1: you know, So I wish, you know, I wish we
Speaker 1: could have worked it out, but you know, you never
Speaker 1: know what was the deal with Danny and THEO what
Speaker 1: happened there? So Danny, what's crazy? Was this vote too? Is? Um?
Speaker 1: So we're now we're moving on to the next where Grant. Okay,
Speaker 1: So with this one, we were walking down the stairs.
Speaker 1: We were walking down the stairs and Danny, I think
Speaker 1: was just kind of After watching the show, I can
Speaker 1: only presume that maybe he was flustered because things weren't
Speaker 1: going his way. Grant's lost, right, and so he's in
Speaker 1: front of me and Casey and I was like I
Speaker 1: was saying, I was like, man, if we get thrown
Speaker 1: in over some fucking stupid stalemate, right, I'm gonna be pissed.
Speaker 1: And then Danny turned around and he's like, we'll tell
Speaker 1: your partner to vote the right way. Well I was like,
Speaker 1: mm okay. So then I let Casey know. I was like, hey, Casey,
Speaker 1: like Danny just said this, yehnest. So then we go
Speaker 1: to that and Danny starts chirping off it THEO right,
Speaker 1: and Theo's like, buddy, what do you do? Like what
Speaker 1: I mean? I think a lot of us were THEO
Speaker 1: in that moment, you know. And he's like, well, I'm
Speaker 1: old man, And I'm like, well, isn't that what you
Speaker 1: just told me to do was tell my partner to
Speaker 1: vote the way otherwise, like we're gonna go in and
Speaker 1: what power do you have right now in saying that?
Speaker 1: And so Casey got pissed and she's like it was
Speaker 1: it was? It was that deliberation was pretty heated. It
Speaker 1: kept going after that a bit and then wait, so
Speaker 1: were there are more altercations? Like Casey got into it? Well,
Speaker 1: Danny and I I kind of got into it um
Speaker 1: at the table, and you know, all I share. All
Speaker 1: I said was like, listen, man, you you know, I
Speaker 1: understand where you're coming from, but you yelling at everyone
Speaker 1: at the table is not a good look for like
Speaker 1: I met that as like Team USA, an Alliance member
Speaker 1: or anyone like that, Like you're creating ways for no
Speaker 1: reason right now? No reason? Why'soever? Like? And I just
Speaker 1: didn't want to be a part of that. And Sarah
Speaker 1: and Danny also kept themselves quite a bit, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, and weren't very social at the very
Speaker 1: beginning and just kind of played their sadukus and hung
Speaker 1: out with Emily and Grant and you know, they made
Speaker 1: it very clear what their alliance was. So wow. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Oh if I could have been a fly on the
Speaker 1: wall at all, right, anything like a bug or a butterfly,
Speaker 1: I would like day lights switch. Well, actually I can't
Speaker 1: be a light switch. I want to move around. I'd
Speaker 1: be a nat too. I'm on the show. I'd like
Speaker 1: to to pass still, but I'll come on the show
Speaker 1: with Nats and then we could just put back and
Speaker 1: be like, well, actually we know the real scoop because
Speaker 1: we were there. Yeah. No, it's cool to see back too,
Speaker 1: because like you know their confessions and they're talking, you
Speaker 1: know stuff you're not prevy two at the time, and
Speaker 1: you need to come back and see it. Um, it's interesting,
Speaker 1: it's really fun. It's it's you know, these shows are
Speaker 1: so fun and watching them are even more fun. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So when did the wheel start turning for you for
Speaker 1: this Amber plan? When when did that come about. Okay,
Speaker 1: because let me tell you that's at the City on Fire.
Speaker 1: So when when did that come about? Yeah, And what's
Speaker 1: crazy is I even went up to Johnny, like Casey
Speaker 1: and I went up to Johnny. That move was so fashioned,
Speaker 1: Like tor came to Casey and I told us at
Speaker 1: and and we're like, no, no way, both case and like,
Speaker 1: we're not voting Amber. Amber is friends with Michelle. I'm
Speaker 1: friends with Michelle. Um. Michelle said that I could trust
Speaker 1: Amber going in and when we were picking partners and
Speaker 1: Ambers like because Chet, we didn't want people to know
Speaker 1: our relationship and there was no relationship, just a connection
Speaker 1: of trust between through Michelle, So we hardly talked or
Speaker 1: anything like that. For clarity, when you mentioned that Michelle
Speaker 1: for our listeners, when you mentioned that Michelle told you
Speaker 1: to trust Amber, you're speaking of Michelle from Survivor. Correct, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Michelle from Survivor and Michelle Fitzgerald and she's on the challenge.
Speaker 1: There you go, yeah, there you go. Yeah. But when
Speaker 1: it came time to it, I came, Tory told Casey
Speaker 1: and I. Then case and I went to Johnny and
Speaker 1: we're like, hey, we can switch this, but like we
Speaker 1: want you let in on it because like, yeah, Johnny's
Speaker 1: with Justine and those are two that I trust for
Speaker 1: not trust, but like team USA. So then Johnny's like, well,
Speaker 1: if you can get it done, we could do it.
Speaker 1: So then Casey and I just go right before the
Speaker 1: vote and tell Amber what's going on, you know, and
Speaker 1: tell her the truth, and and then she came downstairs
Speaker 1: fired up, you know. And I think a lot of
Speaker 1: that had to do with the vibe, but the deliberation
Speaker 1: before when it was kind of heated and people were
Speaker 1: or no, I guess that was that one. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: that's what it was. Um, Troy and Amber. I tried
Speaker 1: leaning back from Grant and being like, hey, you guys
Speaker 1: are on the bottom of the one that we got
Speaker 1: thrown it. Like I did try to do that because
Speaker 1: it was gonna be another stalemate or it was a
Speaker 1: stalemate on that one. Anyways, I was trying to get
Speaker 1: Troy and Amber to change their votes. They ultimately didn't
Speaker 1: end up changing their votes, but that seed was planted
Speaker 1: in their head, which is a natural truth about them
Speaker 1: being on the bottom. And so this next one comes around,
Speaker 1: I think more um, Amber got like aware of what
Speaker 1: was going on, and so when she came down on
Speaker 1: that one and she started to vote, she was ready
Speaker 1: to go. She didn't care, like now I Amber's fired up,
Speaker 1: Now Casey's fired up, and now I'm fired up, right,
Speaker 1: And it was it was It was great seeing Amber's fantastic,
Speaker 1: she's she's a sweetheart and if you cross her like,
Speaker 1: she's gonna let you know, you know, And so it
Speaker 1: was cool. It was cool to see people just finally
Speaker 1: start standing up for themselves. I don't know what these
Speaker 1: you know, self reclaim big dogs think that they get
Speaker 1: to come in and run the house like whenever they
Speaker 1: want and just do whatever they want and say whatever
Speaker 1: they want. And we got to fall in line. Well,
Speaker 1: we're there, we're winners. I'm a winner. There's an other
Speaker 1: winners in the house. And here's the reason for that.
Speaker 1: We're here for the bag too. Don't think that we're not.
Speaker 1: But we're not gonna sit around and we're not on leashes.
Speaker 1: Like I'm not a leash person. I know that's right,
Speaker 1: I'm not a leash. Oh. So in the snake Peak, right,
Speaker 1: there is a scene with you sitting next to Casey
Speaker 1: and your head is down. You want to give us
Speaker 1: a little tease about what that is, about what may
Speaker 1: have happened because you look like he just got stabbed
Speaker 1: in the heart. Okay, yeah, and so so I so,
Speaker 1: I mean, so much has gone on from Casey and
Speaker 1: I being blindsided which set us on our path now
Speaker 1: and then um coming up. I can only tell you
Speaker 1: that there's gonna be a lot more people beating the
Speaker 1: drums and a lot more people out of rhythm like it.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, um, you know things. It's fun, it's exciting,
Speaker 1: like next episode from here on out. I mean, like
Speaker 1: the whole season has been fun to watch and watching
Speaker 1: it play out as it is and getting all the
Speaker 1: inside information that you aren't like, I cannot wait to
Speaker 1: see the next episode, the one after that, the one
Speaker 1: after that, you know what I mean. Like, it's it's good.
Speaker 1: It's good. It's gonna play out and it's gonna be great.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be a great season. Everybody out there just
Speaker 1: working butts off, every the crew of the cast. You know.
Speaker 1: South Africa was beautiful, Cape Town was amazing. Oh boy,
Speaker 1: isn't it so gorgeous? Yeah, it was amazing. I'd love
Speaker 1: to hear your excitement about this show. It's so it's
Speaker 1: so good and refreshing to be a part of a
Speaker 1: production that you are excited to watch as a viewer,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Yeah, I mean we're so
Speaker 1: blessed to get to do this stuff. And so that's
Speaker 1: why I just love I love the game, I love
Speaker 1: the challenges. I love honestly everyone that comes into these
Speaker 1: because everyone is there for a reason, and everyone has
Speaker 1: worked hard for some point to be on the Challenge
Speaker 1: or be on Survivor. They've wanted it, they want to
Speaker 1: be there, and it's fun. We work her asses off.
Speaker 1: We you know, miss our families, and now we're on
Speaker 1: television and getting ridiculed on Reddit and Twitter and whatever else.
Speaker 1: And because you can't let that noise in, you's got
Speaker 1: to be special and or not be special, but feel
Speaker 1: lucky to be where you're at. You know, there's so
Speaker 1: much more love than hate out there, you know. So yeah,
Speaker 1: there is absorbab all of that shit. Keep it moving,
Speaker 1: and we hope, you know, you get your little bag
Speaker 1: that's coming. I'm so glad that you said that, because
Speaker 1: I think we tend to get showered with so much love,
Speaker 1: but then it's like that one hate will stick out
Speaker 1: like a sore thumb and it's like, why is that there?
Speaker 1: And you like focus on it? But yeah, I totally agree.
Speaker 1: Focus on the love. Yeah, you know, when you walk barefoot,
Speaker 1: you know or whatnot, you might get through your sand
Speaker 1: a bunch, but everyone's while. You'll hit a rock, right,
Speaker 1: just pull it out, throw it away and say fuck it.
Speaker 1: Yeah that's that's yeah exactly. I love that, Ben. Where
Speaker 1: can the people find you on the social immedias? Oh?
Speaker 1: Just the Instagram? Just the Graham there. Uh, I did
Speaker 1: the cameo thing they got, they reeled me in. Now
Speaker 1: they are doing the cameo and what's that you just
Speaker 1: reminded me? Yeah, check yourself. Cameo is fine, it's fun.
Speaker 1: So where can the people find you? What's your cameo?
Speaker 1: What's your Instagram? Oh? Yeah, we did this last time.
Speaker 1: I had to look last time too. Think it's Ben drebergain, right,
Speaker 1: Drebin Ben? Maybe no? Oh we have Ben draggin no
Speaker 1: space on the Instagram and then the cameo. I think Ben,
Speaker 1: I cannot It'll be your name. I think that's all
Speaker 1: it is. Band said, if you want to find me,
Speaker 1: google me that. Yeah. Man, I just like, hey, I'm
Speaker 1: I do the competing. I do the puking, uh you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, like that kind of stuff. I
Speaker 1: do the breaking. And you're a big puker, by the way,
Speaker 1: so violent. If I were next to you during a qualifier,
Speaker 1: I would have stopped and been like, can he be
Speaker 1: disqualified for puking on me? Or can I switch places? Oh?
Speaker 1: My god? And the worst part of that was it's
Speaker 1: like it got to a point where like he's like,
Speaker 1: you can't puke anymore out, like you are on the
Speaker 1: verge of being disqualified right now, and flex of an
Speaker 1: ant like stomach, the stomach of a of a tiny
Speaker 1: little bug. No, the smell, how will you ever know
Speaker 1: the smell of these drinks? When it like so the
Speaker 1: wind we were standing there and the wind blew class
Speaker 1: they were really pungent. Oh it was that they traveled. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was horrible. It was absolutely horrible. But then so
Speaker 1: I get down with that, and I was the first
Speaker 1: one down, and and I like was so loud, And
Speaker 1: that was like kind of intentional, like I really I mean,
Speaker 1: don't get me wrong, I puke very violent, loud like,
Speaker 1: but I made sure to ramp it up just to
Speaker 1: make it so much worse for everyone else right, and
Speaker 1: because everyone's gagging. So I'm never doing this next to you.
Speaker 1: If there's food and it's me and you or I
Speaker 1: will get away. Ye, bring your plugs to every challenge.
Speaker 1: So after I ran away, I gave him one more
Speaker 1: like as I was running away, just you know, it
Speaker 1: was so fun. It's a good strategy though, because some people,
Speaker 1: if they hear it, it'll make them do it, So
Speaker 1: it could work in your favorite strategically. I'm also a puker.
Speaker 1: If I watched someone puke though, you know what I mean, Like,
Speaker 1: so it don't work, Yeah, it don't work. Yeah, So
Speaker 1: if I got to be the first one puking, that's
Speaker 1: what I'm that. I think that's my goal, is like
Speaker 1: eating challenge, Like as long as I'm the first one puking,
Speaker 1: then like that's mine, is all of the puking. I'm
Speaker 1: so glad you came to hang out fun. It was
Speaker 1: nice to meet you. It's nice to meet you too. Yeah,
Speaker 1: your last interview you did with us was great. This
Speaker 1: one was great. You're just great across the board. Keep
Speaker 1: I hope that you keep shaking the tables this season.
Speaker 1: I'm so excited to watch who knows what's gonna happen, right, Like,
Speaker 1: I'm okay, that's what we like to hear. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: exciting to watch you. You're gonna move this season from
Speaker 1: MVP to legend, and I want to see it. That's
Speaker 1: I don't know about that, but well, like I want
Speaker 1: to see I got it. I gotta get a win first.
Speaker 1: I gotta get a win. I gotta get a win.
Speaker 1: I got my elimination win. Let's hope I win this season. So, okay,
Speaker 1: we were over here watching every week. All right, love
Speaker 1: you both, honestly, I love you. Love you it to me,
Speaker 1: all right, friends, Like that was such a great interview.
Speaker 1: I'm so excited and glad that being came to hang
Speaker 1: out with us. He gave perspective. He let us know
Speaker 1: that it was some realty going on in the deliberation.
Speaker 1: That made me so happy. I wish we would have
Speaker 1: got an opportunity to so I'm like, they have cameras
Speaker 1: in the rooms, show us, show us, because I want
Speaker 1: to see that. He said, Casey turned up. I never
Speaker 1: seen Casey turned up. I want to see that time
Speaker 1: on Total Madness she turned up. Oh no, a little bit.
Speaker 1: She cranked. She didn't turn up, she cranked, she was turned,
Speaker 1: she crank crank a little bit. But we're about to
Speaker 1: have nicknames for every single person on the show and
Speaker 1: I can't wait they're coming. Where can the people see
Speaker 1: you get cranked up? If they won't do on my
Speaker 1: dull ass Instagram where I don't crank anything? Um Anissa MTV?
Speaker 1: That's a n E s a MTV. And where gonna
Speaker 1: find you? Mayor of Twitterland? You know what. I'm in retirement,
Speaker 1: so you can just find me as a regular civilian
Speaker 1: in Twitterville, USA at Ja Dahan Underscore. I think I've
Speaker 1: been delivered from being the mayor. There's a lot of
Speaker 1: toxicity that goes with that, so the Lord has brought
Speaker 1: me a bout of that. And you can find me
Speaker 1: on Instagram at Davion Diane Underscore, and you can also
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