WEBVTT - Conor McGregor vs Holloway 2 Is CLOSE — Ray Longo & Kenny Break Down His Real Chances 0:00:00.400 --> 0:00:04.960 The John Nick and Kenny Florian Podcast John Annick and 0:00:05.080 --> 0:00:06.000 Kenny Florian. 0:00:06.160 --> 0:00:07.320 I fucking love him. 0:00:07.520 --> 0:00:08.719 I can't get enough of it. 0:00:08.960 --> 0:00:10.000 Let's hear that both tonight. 0:00:10.240 --> 0:00:22.159 Big job there and crank there are a couple of 0:00:22.200 --> 0:00:24.479 absolutely self involved. 0:00:24.680 --> 0:00:29.600 You're your hosts, John Nnick and Kenny Florian. 0:00:33.240 --> 0:00:39.360 Hey, what's up Monday? What's going on Monday? How's everybody 0:00:39.400 --> 0:00:44.240 doing Monday? June twenty ninth, twenty twenty six, Episode six 0:00:45.040 --> 0:00:48.720 oh one of the Antik and Florian podcasts powered by 0:00:48.760 --> 0:00:51.920 All the Smoke Fight. Thank you in advance for subscribing 0:00:51.920 --> 0:00:55.240 to the antikon Florian podcast YouTube channel. Every time I'm 0:00:55.240 --> 0:00:59.200 on the phone with Domina Cruz, somehow the number of 0:00:59.240 --> 0:01:00.720 episodes we've done comes up. 0:01:01.760 --> 0:01:01.960 You know. 0:01:02.920 --> 0:01:04.840 I just talked to dom a little bit because his 0:01:04.959 --> 0:01:06.959 Hall of Fame induction is coming up. 0:01:06.880 --> 0:01:08.240 Here in a few days. 0:01:08.440 --> 0:01:12.840 Yeah, and just some logistics in particulars on his mind. 0:01:13.000 --> 0:01:16.600 And uh, somehow his podcast came up and our podcast 0:01:16.640 --> 0:01:19.120 came up, and I mentioned episode six hundred was last week. 0:01:19.120 --> 0:01:21.880 He's like, Jesus, I'd like, I know, it's a lot. 0:01:22.400 --> 0:01:25.559 When you do it, you start to understand and comprehend 0:01:25.640 --> 0:01:28.880 how many episodes that is, But yeah, that's cool. Man 0:01:28.880 --> 0:01:31.840 Dom's podcast is going great though, great guests. Yeah, it's 0:01:31.840 --> 0:01:32.160 been good. 0:01:32.200 --> 0:01:34.240 Love and War, Yes, outstanding. 0:01:34.520 --> 0:01:37.760 So part of the reason we have this show is 0:01:38.040 --> 0:01:41.360 because of Saturday nights like or Saturdays, I guess for 0:01:41.480 --> 0:01:43.640 many of you in the States, but shows like we 0:01:43.800 --> 0:01:47.160 just had an Azerbaijan and it sort of puts things 0:01:47.160 --> 0:01:51.960 back into perspective, right. UFC Freedom two fifty was the 0:01:52.240 --> 0:01:55.160 biggest night in UFC history in many respects, certainly the 0:01:55.200 --> 0:01:58.120 biggest sporting event that I've ever called, right, But at 0:01:58.160 --> 0:02:00.320 the end of the day, right, it's about the mixed 0:02:00.320 --> 0:02:02.280 martial arts, and there was a lot of high level 0:02:02.320 --> 0:02:06.760 mixed martial arts this weekend, world class athletes competing in Azerbaijan, 0:02:06.840 --> 0:02:08.600 and I think for a lot of fans, right in 0:02:08.639 --> 0:02:12.360 this crazy Josh Hokitt world, right, kind of nice just 0:02:12.400 --> 0:02:14.160 to get back to the fighting. I don't know how 0:02:14.240 --> 0:02:17.200 much of the Azerbaijan show you watched, but I was 0:02:17.360 --> 0:02:18.280 thoroughly entertained. 0:02:18.639 --> 0:02:21.160 See, I watched a decent amount of it. Man, some 0:02:21.240 --> 0:02:25.360 really good fights, and there's a lot to talk about 0:02:25.560 --> 0:02:26.440 on my end for sure. 0:02:26.760 --> 0:02:28.919 So before Ray Longo comes on and we got Longo 0:02:28.960 --> 0:02:30.120 coming up in a half an hour. 0:02:30.760 --> 0:02:31.560 Drake is dupless. 0:02:31.560 --> 0:02:34.280 He might join us, might be training, but today sometimes 0:02:34.280 --> 0:02:35.960 when I go to try to book a fighter, like 0:02:35.960 --> 0:02:38.040 they faced on me and you know we're trying to 0:02:38.040 --> 0:02:40.280 get Drake is duplus he potentially over the course of 0:02:40.280 --> 0:02:41.239 the next hour R J. 0:02:41.360 --> 0:02:42.079 Clifford as well. 0:02:42.120 --> 0:02:46.240 But sometimes I wonder, right, how nice I have to 0:02:46.320 --> 0:02:50.040 be to Ray Longo or how much comedy I can 0:02:50.040 --> 0:02:52.320 bring to the table. He just went to Azerbaijan, right, 0:02:52.360 --> 0:02:54.600 and his fighter, whom I love as a human being. 0:02:54.680 --> 0:02:57.240 Nasim Sadakov was on the wrong side of a knockout 0:02:57.280 --> 0:03:01.160 loss in like ninety one seconds to Mateos Camilo. Right, 0:03:01.200 --> 0:03:03.760 seeing you're already you already got a fun a real tone. 0:03:04.160 --> 0:03:07.480 See this is the thing you're already like, Yeah, you know, 0:03:07.800 --> 0:03:10.200 I'm like back for Ray, right, and so I balance 0:03:10.320 --> 0:03:12.480 you out a little bit, yin and yang, right, yes, 0:03:13.960 --> 0:03:17.200 like I'm not gonna be like by nope, like by 0:03:18.080 --> 0:03:22.400 fuck right, dude. 0:03:22.400 --> 0:03:25.360 Well, I mean as a coach, you know, it's tough 0:03:25.480 --> 0:03:29.400 making that long ass flight. This is your nightmare. Like 0:03:29.480 --> 0:03:32.960 even like it's great if you win, of course, right, uh, 0:03:32.960 --> 0:03:37.160 And it's that quick. But Losing that quickly is never easy. Man, 0:03:37.240 --> 0:03:37.640 My god. 0:03:37.640 --> 0:03:40.520 Well, we'll see how Ray Longo feels about that fight. 0:03:40.840 --> 0:03:43.200 Unfortunate it may be for Team Sarah long Ago. 0:03:43.560 --> 0:03:45.360 I guess I'm just saying in terms of the comedy, 0:03:45.360 --> 0:03:46.920 and I don't do it for the show, right, but 0:03:47.080 --> 0:03:49.360 like have a little fun with Ray, you know, and 0:03:49.480 --> 0:03:51.440 these guys, you know, I know a lot of them 0:03:51.520 --> 0:03:52.280 listen to the show. 0:03:52.840 --> 0:03:54.800 You know, we're just. 0:03:54.720 --> 0:03:58.440 Having fun on a Monday, good stuff, you know. So 0:03:59.160 --> 0:04:00.880 a lot to get into from this fight. 0:04:00.960 --> 0:04:01.080 Car. 0:04:01.160 --> 0:04:04.640 We have the UFC meta rankings to discuss, and I'm 0:04:04.760 --> 0:04:08.960 wicked excited about that. We'll talk a little UFC three 0:04:09.000 --> 0:04:12.240 twenty nine McGregor versus Holloway two, which beckons here in 0:04:12.360 --> 0:04:15.880 less than two weeks, which is crazy, maybe time permitting 0:04:16.200 --> 0:04:19.160 a Liz Carmush appreciation mentioned she wont another mixed martial 0:04:19.279 --> 0:04:21.400 arts fight over the weekend, Alex Peta going in on 0:04:21.440 --> 0:04:22.400 herb Dean yet again. 0:04:22.839 --> 0:04:22.960 Uh. 0:04:23.520 --> 0:04:25.880 You know, there's some headlines with Dustin Pourier, whom I 0:04:25.920 --> 0:04:29.640 consider a friend, and you know, I know there's a 0:04:29.640 --> 0:04:32.599 lot of sort of life in there and life lesson 0:04:32.680 --> 0:04:35.800 in there, But sometimes I feel like people just can't 0:04:35.839 --> 0:04:37.960 wait to talk about it for purposes of clicks. So 0:04:38.000 --> 0:04:39.440 I don't know if we're going to get into all 0:04:39.480 --> 0:04:42.120 of that, but we love Dustin very very much here 0:04:42.600 --> 0:04:44.320 on the Annak and Florian podcast. But what is the 0:04:44.400 --> 0:04:46.400 lead story? I bet Kemflo has died to know. Let's 0:04:46.400 --> 0:04:49.760 get to headlines, headlines. 0:04:49.960 --> 0:04:51.279 It's time for headlines. 0:04:51.440 --> 0:04:52.240 I have some very. 0:04:52.160 --> 0:04:56.000 Urgent and important breaking new headlines. 0:04:56.480 --> 0:05:01.040 And Kenny Sans contast. 0:05:01.800 --> 0:05:03.880 So it feels like if Kemhl was producing the show, 0:05:04.040 --> 0:05:06.200 Rafael Fhazeve would be the lead story and not the 0:05:06.279 --> 0:05:08.920 UFC meta rankings. So we'll defer to the Mixed Martial 0:05:09.040 --> 0:05:10.839 Arts today, even though I would have led with the 0:05:10.880 --> 0:05:11.600 meta rankings. 0:05:11.640 --> 0:05:15.120 So Rafael Phazive over Manuel Torres. 0:05:15.240 --> 0:05:17.960 The knockout courtesy of the spinning wheelkick and the follow 0:05:18.040 --> 0:05:20.840 up punches comes at the fifteen second mark of round two, 0:05:20.920 --> 0:05:23.520 and you know just what The doctor order doesn't even 0:05:23.560 --> 0:05:25.960 begin to describe it. It does dovetail with the rankings 0:05:25.960 --> 0:05:29.159 conversation a little bit, but uh, huge win for Rafael 0:05:29.160 --> 0:05:31.400 Fazeve of course, over the weekend man. 0:05:31.560 --> 0:05:35.000 When his offense is going, when it's flowing, it is 0:05:35.160 --> 0:05:39.159 so pretty to watch he has such an arsenal, and 0:05:39.240 --> 0:05:43.000 he's so precise and so technical when he's on his game, 0:05:43.080 --> 0:05:45.320 you know, defensively, there were some scary moments for me. 0:05:45.400 --> 0:05:49.520 But dude, I again, this is another example of how 0:05:49.640 --> 0:05:54.120 the environment or the circumstances around your fight can inspire 0:05:54.160 --> 0:05:56.760 these amazing performances. Of course, you know, I'm referring to 0:05:56.800 --> 0:05:59.080 the Justin Gaegee fight that didn't happen too long ago, 0:05:59.640 --> 0:06:02.880 of him being in that in the White House, but 0:06:03.040 --> 0:06:06.080 this is another one of him being in Azerbaijean and 0:06:06.120 --> 0:06:10.560 being inspired by the crowd and just fighting inspired and 0:06:10.600 --> 0:06:14.800 with passion and with technique and you know, really going forward. 0:06:14.880 --> 0:06:17.599 And the start of that second round to have the 0:06:17.680 --> 0:06:20.200 confidence to throw that wheel kick to the head and 0:06:20.279 --> 0:06:23.400 land it with that level of precision was just beautiful 0:06:23.400 --> 0:06:26.680 and that became the beginning of the end for his opponent. 0:06:26.720 --> 0:06:27.960 But man, he looked good. 0:06:28.680 --> 0:06:31.040 So I'm just noticing for the first time. And thanks 0:06:31.040 --> 0:06:33.040 to everybody joining us live here on the Anakin Florian 0:06:33.080 --> 0:06:38.280 podcast the stream yard comments, which is amazing. So young 0:06:38.320 --> 0:06:40.799 Mikey fifty nine to sixty eight and shoot h McGavin 0:06:40.880 --> 0:06:42.040 fifty six and the rest of you. 0:06:42.120 --> 0:06:44.240 Thanks for being here live on a Monday. 0:06:44.320 --> 0:06:46.960 So for Rafael Fhazive, I thought it was a great 0:06:47.000 --> 0:06:49.960 interview with Mackenzie pavisitch after the fact when he sort 0:06:49.960 --> 0:06:52.719 of acknowledged Justin Gaechee, and just a great way to 0:06:52.839 --> 0:06:55.159 cap what I thought was a really festive live event. 0:06:55.240 --> 0:06:58.520 And you know, this doesn't vault Phazive into immediate lightweight 0:06:58.560 --> 0:07:02.520 title contention, but it certainly puts him back in any 0:07:02.560 --> 0:07:05.880 sort of conversation. I really do like Manuel torres massive 0:07:05.880 --> 0:07:07.960 frame for the division, as you mentioned, had a moment, 0:07:08.040 --> 0:07:10.480 but uh yeah, to your. 0:07:10.440 --> 0:07:12.600 Championship set back out, no other way to describe it. 0:07:13.160 --> 0:07:16.440 Got well, that division is just ridiculous and Torres had 0:07:16.440 --> 0:07:18.800 some good spots where he landed some big shots on 0:07:18.840 --> 0:07:22.920 Phyziv and he was going forward himself but just technically 0:07:22.920 --> 0:07:25.480 couldn't keep with the offense of our physive. 0:07:26.360 --> 0:07:29.040 So we talked a lot about Rafael Phaziv's health on 0:07:29.160 --> 0:07:32.040 the front end of this fight, and I didn't hear 0:07:32.120 --> 0:07:34.360 much during fight week about his health other than that 0:07:34.440 --> 0:07:37.280 it was great. But yeah, health is wealth, right, and 0:07:37.320 --> 0:07:39.920 as you get older, I think some guys with leg 0:07:39.960 --> 0:07:43.800 injuries it's just hard to overcome. But huge result and 0:07:43.960 --> 0:07:46.360 a spinning wheel kick that earned Rafayel Phazive one hundred 0:07:46.400 --> 0:07:49.720 thousand dollars. So in terms of the rankings part of this, 0:07:50.560 --> 0:07:56.880 Rafael Phaziv was number eleven and Manuel Torres was number thirteen. Now, 0:07:58.040 --> 0:08:01.320 when the meta rankings came out Ken Flow, Rafael Fhazive 0:08:01.520 --> 0:08:05.760 was unranked, so he would have been twenty and one. 0:08:05.760 --> 0:08:08.080 Thing I think with the meta rankings that might be 0:08:08.280 --> 0:08:11.360 evolutionary would be that eventually you'll get twenty and twenty 0:08:11.360 --> 0:08:14.160 five fighters, which would be very exciting. But I know 0:08:14.280 --> 0:08:16.280 Rafael Phazev took issue with the fact that he went 0:08:16.320 --> 0:08:19.960 from eleven to unranked, But I really believe in the 0:08:20.000 --> 0:08:22.760 meta rankings and not to suggest that this is the 0:08:22.800 --> 0:08:25.480 twentieth best lightweight in the world, but he just would 0:08:25.520 --> 0:08:30.320 have taken Manuel Torres is number thirteen and put himself 0:08:30.360 --> 0:08:32.840 back in the top fifteen. Cody, I don't need the 0:08:32.840 --> 0:08:36.120 graphic right now because I'll call for it later, right, 0:08:36.160 --> 0:08:38.480 but I Faziv coming into this fight had lost four 0:08:38.559 --> 0:08:42.640 or five. The one win in there was against ignaciobau Mondez, 0:08:42.640 --> 0:08:45.080 who then went out and lost his next fight. So 0:08:46.640 --> 0:08:51.600 in this particular case, right, I know some fans took 0:08:51.640 --> 0:08:54.840 issue with this, but the wrong sort of got righted 0:08:54.880 --> 0:08:57.240 a little bit over the weekend, you know what I mean. 0:08:57.520 --> 0:09:01.119 I think the biggest mover in the ranking, Raquel Pennington, 0:09:01.160 --> 0:09:04.840 the former champ, went from number two to number fifteen, 0:09:05.600 --> 0:09:09.120 and I think it's just right. I mean, she hasn't 0:09:09.160 --> 0:09:10.920 won a fight in a couple of years, right, I 0:09:10.920 --> 0:09:13.040 don't think she's fought in a couple of years. And 0:09:13.640 --> 0:09:17.280 it's a fascinating conversation that will tie into points of 0:09:17.280 --> 0:09:21.679 our conversation today. But we congratulate Rafael Fazive what we'll 0:09:21.720 --> 0:09:24.240 see what the matchmakers do next with him. You know, 0:09:24.320 --> 0:09:27.200 char bullets six and one in the octagon, Kenny. I 0:09:27.240 --> 0:09:31.120 know sometimes maybe he's either not competing in the US, 0:09:31.240 --> 0:09:34.600 or you know, you wonder sometimes what exactly the ceiling 0:09:34.679 --> 0:09:37.880 is going to be. Unanimous decision twenty nine, twenty eight 0:09:38.000 --> 0:09:41.480 times three. A lot to sort of digest, but competitive fight, 0:09:41.600 --> 0:09:43.640 a lot of weaponry on both sides, but it is 0:09:43.640 --> 0:09:47.560 a shar bullet over Michelle Demolodor Paeda by unanimous decision 0:09:47.559 --> 0:09:48.520 of the Comin event. 0:09:48.800 --> 0:09:52.640 It survived a very scary round one, or he ran 0:09:52.679 --> 0:09:56.480 into a dart right down the middle from Padata that 0:09:56.679 --> 0:09:59.360 dropped him in of course, you know what followed was 0:09:59.400 --> 0:10:01.760 the ground and which also could have taken him out. 0:10:02.160 --> 0:10:05.680 I think Paeda probably punched himself out maybe after that 0:10:06.280 --> 0:10:09.120 first round. But what it showed to me is you 0:10:09.160 --> 0:10:13.559 know how well a fighter reacts to adversity, and Maga 0:10:13.600 --> 0:10:17.560 Medov responded extremely well. Not only did he finish the 0:10:17.559 --> 0:10:20.560 fight really well, even within that round, he came back 0:10:20.640 --> 0:10:23.120 with vengeance at the end of the round, still losing 0:10:23.120 --> 0:10:27.880 that round, of course, but came back rallied in round two. 0:10:28.080 --> 0:10:30.880 Was clearly the more active fighter. I think Round three 0:10:31.520 --> 0:10:33.960 was a little bit closer, but still was way more 0:10:34.000 --> 0:10:37.560 productive volume wise. It just seemed like he had that 0:10:37.640 --> 0:10:40.559 passion and willingness to want to win that fight, whereas 0:10:40.600 --> 0:10:43.960 Paeda's just seemed to die after round one. 0:10:45.280 --> 0:10:48.000 So there were some fouls by Sharra Bullet and some 0:10:48.080 --> 0:10:51.280 warnings by Herb Dean in the fight. I'd like to 0:10:51.280 --> 0:10:54.280 get your thoughts on that. Alex Paeda has called Herb 0:10:54.320 --> 0:10:57.240 Dean a coward and certainly some residual stuff there from 0:10:57.400 --> 0:11:00.319 his lack of action in the UFC Freedom to fifty 0:11:00.360 --> 0:11:03.280 fight againsteedle Goan for Poeton. But what did you make 0:11:03.320 --> 0:11:07.240 of the fouls and the warnings, but no point deduction, John, 0:11:07.320 --> 0:11:07.959 Not all. 0:11:07.880 --> 0:11:12.599 Fouls are created equal, like similar to you know, whatever 0:11:12.640 --> 0:11:15.280 the law has for us, Right, It's like running a 0:11:15.320 --> 0:11:18.280 stop sign, you know, stopping for a second and then 0:11:18.360 --> 0:11:21.199 slowly creeping past the stop sign is very different than 0:11:21.480 --> 0:11:24.400 you know, speeding past the stop sign at fifty miles 0:11:24.440 --> 0:11:27.600 an hour. And I think a police officer would probably 0:11:28.000 --> 0:11:30.800 treat those very differently the same way. As you get 0:11:30.840 --> 0:11:34.160 more and more deep down the rabbit hole as far 0:11:34.200 --> 0:11:36.319 as you know, breaking the law, whether you kill someone 0:11:36.320 --> 0:11:38.400 and all that stuff. If you treat all of those 0:11:38.440 --> 0:11:40.199 things the same, and you say, well, he listen, we're 0:11:40.200 --> 0:11:43.120 gonna let you go this time. Next time you're gonna 0:11:43.160 --> 0:11:47.120 be in trouble. There's a difference between accidentally hitting someone 0:11:47.120 --> 0:11:50.640 in the groin and pulling their hair on purpose. Yeah, 0:11:50.720 --> 0:11:53.520 what are we doing? Why are we treating all these 0:11:53.640 --> 0:11:56.560 fowls the same? John? It ticks me off. Yeah, And 0:11:56.600 --> 0:12:00.000 I think a lot of referees are afraid to influence. 0:12:00.040 --> 0:12:01.880 It's the fight, even if it's deserving. 0:12:02.840 --> 0:12:04.440 Yeah, you put it well, I mean, we all have 0:12:04.559 --> 0:12:08.080 our preferred referees, and we all have our opinions as 0:12:08.120 --> 0:12:11.960 to how relatively good we think they are at the job. 0:12:12.040 --> 0:12:14.640 I think Mark Goddard is the gold standard. I also 0:12:14.720 --> 0:12:18.280 believe that on any given Saturday night, for referees and 0:12:18.320 --> 0:12:21.560 fighters and commentators, this sport presents a lot of challenges 0:12:21.600 --> 0:12:24.360 and even the best will not be perfect. Right, We've 0:12:24.400 --> 0:12:27.040 never had a perfect show as commentators. I'm quite sure 0:12:27.440 --> 0:12:29.880 no fighter has really ever had a perfect fight, even 0:12:29.920 --> 0:12:35.080 maybe in a Moss feedal Askarin type situation. But yeah, 0:12:35.160 --> 0:12:40.560 I mean, I just really feel like referees like Kevin 0:12:40.640 --> 0:12:43.440 McDonald right, Kevin McDonald with a Boston Action, right, Ken 0:12:43.520 --> 0:12:48.679 McDonald right is not ubiquitously regarded as the best referee, 0:12:48.800 --> 0:12:51.160 but he doesn't care. He doesn't care if he's going 0:12:51.200 --> 0:12:53.839 to stop a fight early as opposed to late, because 0:12:53.880 --> 0:12:57.840 he prioritizes fighter safety. And I think he would be 0:12:58.440 --> 0:13:02.360 quicker with a point deduction than referees. And you know, 0:13:02.480 --> 0:13:06.200 sometimes when you watch boxing, and you know, boxing for me, 0:13:06.320 --> 0:13:08.240 really has nothing on mixed martial arts in terms of 0:13:08.280 --> 0:13:11.960 the excitement of the sport consistently. But sometimes you see 0:13:12.000 --> 0:13:15.360 when referees interrupt the holding in boxing, or you know, 0:13:15.400 --> 0:13:19.000 they take points away like they're irritated, and they're just 0:13:19.120 --> 0:13:22.240 they're not like they don't care about fans or promoters. 0:13:22.280 --> 0:13:24.400 And sometimes I feel like these referees are in their 0:13:24.440 --> 0:13:28.200 own heads and we're thinking about things that really shouldn't 0:13:28.240 --> 0:13:29.920 matter when they should be taking points away. 0:13:30.360 --> 0:13:31.280 One hundred percent. 0:13:31.360 --> 0:13:31.600 Man. 0:13:31.800 --> 0:13:34.800 It's very similar to, you know, caring about what the 0:13:34.840 --> 0:13:37.120 fans are saying or what the other people are doing 0:13:37.120 --> 0:13:38.680 when you have that guy in front of you that 0:13:38.720 --> 0:13:41.400 you need to face and fight and and it can happen. 0:13:41.600 --> 0:13:44.080 It's it can be easy to be influenced otherwise, but 0:13:44.920 --> 0:13:47.640 the focus always needs to be the job at hand, 0:13:47.880 --> 0:13:50.840 what you're doing in that moment. And I do feel 0:13:50.920 --> 0:13:55.600 like this is kind of systemic throughout a lot of 0:13:55.640 --> 0:13:58.560 refereeing in mixed martial arts. I don't think Herbdan is 0:13:58.559 --> 0:14:01.520 the only guy out there doing this, by the way, Yeah, 0:14:01.600 --> 0:14:04.080 and that's kind of the issue, and you did highlight 0:14:04.120 --> 0:14:06.200 you know a couple referees that that have a different 0:14:06.240 --> 0:14:08.560 take on it. But I do think that there's a 0:14:08.600 --> 0:14:11.440 lot of referees out there that are really scared to 0:14:11.480 --> 0:14:13.800 go out there and influence the fight one way or another, 0:14:13.840 --> 0:14:17.280 where it's like, just follow the rules and be consistent man, 0:14:17.320 --> 0:14:20.920 because a hair pull is very different than an accidental 0:14:21.040 --> 0:14:24.120 foul or say, same way, like where someone is clearly 0:14:24.240 --> 0:14:28.400 holding the cage on purpose. Like we gotta be better 0:14:28.440 --> 0:14:28.920 about this. 0:14:29.320 --> 0:14:30.520 Yeah, all right. 0:14:30.640 --> 0:14:35.040 Inaugural John Annik Top five referee rankings compiled right now 0:14:35.120 --> 0:14:36.760 live on the Attic Imploring Podcast. 0:14:36.800 --> 0:14:37.000 Ah. 0:14:37.200 --> 0:14:39.760 Yes, referee rankings. 0:14:39.880 --> 0:14:42.640 I'm quite certain some people are gonna be upset by this, 0:14:42.760 --> 0:14:45.040 but nobody's going to be more upset than Ray Longo 0:14:45.120 --> 0:14:48.080 when I haze him for his aser by Sean loss 0:14:48.120 --> 0:14:52.560 here in about eighteen. So all right, inaugural John Anick 0:14:52.600 --> 0:14:56.440 referee rankings, coming in at number five, never skipping leg 0:14:56.560 --> 0:15:03.320 Day nor arm days. Gary Copeland, Okay, Gary, congratulations. 0:15:02.480 --> 0:15:04.280 Welcome to the test. Number four. 0:15:05.400 --> 0:15:07.960 I believe actually was the referee in question in the 0:15:08.040 --> 0:15:12.400 Nazim Satakov fight this weekend. Rich Mitch Rich Mitchell getting 0:15:12.440 --> 0:15:15.640 a text from Jason Anick, which can only mean, oh, 0:15:15.840 --> 0:15:19.920 don't stop, no referee rankings. Oh no, we're doing the refee. 0:15:20.000 --> 0:15:24.040 We're already at number four. I mean there's a million 0:15:24.080 --> 0:15:27.440 honorable mentions. Jay, my manager, Jason Anick doesn't like this 0:15:27.640 --> 0:15:33.360 live segment, all right, Coming in at number four, effectually 0:15:33.480 --> 0:15:38.000 known as Rich Mitch Rich Mitchell all right, coming in 0:15:38.040 --> 0:15:40.400 at number three, Vitaur Shallon. 0:15:40.240 --> 0:15:41.720 Hitbero, Yes, I like that. 0:15:42.160 --> 0:15:43.440 I like that one. 0:15:43.120 --> 0:15:47.200 Coming in at number two, Jason Herzog and number one 0:15:47.240 --> 0:15:50.080 Mark Dard. I mean, Jay, what's the problem. I mean yeah, 0:15:50.120 --> 0:15:54.000 Kevin McDonald has a Boston accent. One guy who definitely 0:15:54.000 --> 0:15:56.280 doesn't have a Boston accent. Let's go three wide, Let's 0:15:56.320 --> 0:15:56.760 welcome in. 0:15:56.880 --> 0:15:59.440 Uh. One of the stars of the Anakin Florian podcast 0:15:59.600 --> 0:15:59.760 r J. 0:16:03.080 --> 0:16:04.280 He is raty tv NA LV. 0:16:04.400 --> 0:16:05.600 It contains strong language of violence. 0:16:05.640 --> 0:16:07.040 He's intended only from mature audiences. 0:16:07.120 --> 0:16:10.360 You were discussing advised. This is rated R with r 0:16:10.520 --> 0:16:11.320 J Clifford. 0:16:13.960 --> 0:16:15.440 The fighting, that's that's the fun part. 0:16:15.560 --> 0:16:17.920 It's like Hansle from Zoolander, which is so fucking hot 0:16:18.000 --> 0:16:20.640 right now, dude, Like, well, think. 0:16:20.440 --> 0:16:21.920 About it, Like I don't know who he is. 0:16:22.120 --> 0:16:42.000 I just know he's arrestler. You know, googled him. 0:16:33.120 --> 0:16:35.920 Only on the Annik and Florian podcast. 0:16:38.280 --> 0:16:41.120 I know one guy who's not afraid of some improptu 0:16:41.240 --> 0:16:42.720 referee rankings on a Monday. 0:16:42.720 --> 0:16:44.360 It's Randall Clifford. What's up? Man? 0:16:44.840 --> 0:16:47.680 When people ask me, why is John Annick the best 0:16:47.720 --> 0:16:50.560 broadcaster in sports. And is it the the opens of 0:16:50.600 --> 0:16:52.360 the pay per view? Is it the way he calls 0:16:52.400 --> 0:16:54.120 the action? Is the way he calls it finish? And 0:16:54.160 --> 0:16:57.000 I say nay to all those things. It's because he 0:16:57.040 --> 0:17:01.320 can take obligatory Monday morning ref rebitching and make it fun. 0:17:01.880 --> 0:17:03.720 I mean, how many people I. 0:17:03.640 --> 0:17:05.680 Was like, all right, we're gonna have to talk reffing. 0:17:05.760 --> 0:17:08.639 We're gonna have to talk about Jim Parados and his 0:17:08.840 --> 0:17:11.919 rough day and Rich Mitchell's early stoppage, as like that, 0:17:12.040 --> 0:17:13.320 let's rank these motherfuckers. 0:17:13.359 --> 0:17:15.720 Yeah, dude, place, I love it. 0:17:15.840 --> 0:17:16.040 John. 0:17:16.480 --> 0:17:19.200 So it sounds like you did not like Rich mitchell stoppage. 0:17:19.240 --> 0:17:21.639 Was he the referee in question in the Nazim Sadikov 0:17:21.840 --> 0:17:22.760 Camilo fight RJ? 0:17:23.160 --> 0:17:24.680 That was early? Can we all agree? 0:17:24.920 --> 0:17:25.040 No? 0:17:25.320 --> 0:17:28.120 So there was dissension on the post fight show. I'd 0:17:28.160 --> 0:17:30.159 love to hear your opinions. You guys are the fighters 0:17:30.160 --> 0:17:34.199 and the analysts. So h, I didn't necessarily think that 0:17:34.240 --> 0:17:36.639 Sadikov's body language, Yes, I don't. I'd liked him to 0:17:36.680 --> 0:17:38.919 have had a beat, but his body language was not 0:17:39.160 --> 0:17:41.520 intelligently defending like charl Bullet. 0:17:41.520 --> 0:17:41.840 It was. 0:17:42.520 --> 0:17:44.920 It was not a good look, Kenny, what are your thoughts? 0:17:44.960 --> 0:17:47.760 And then Arjie, I didn't have a problem with it. 0:17:48.800 --> 0:17:51.399 You know, listen, I think we all would like to 0:17:51.400 --> 0:17:55.919 see Nas get maybe another second to come back, and 0:17:55.960 --> 0:17:58.600 we've seen him come back before and we know that. 0:18:00.320 --> 0:18:03.119 I agree, John. The body language for me was was 0:18:03.280 --> 0:18:05.600 what kind of did it like? He wasn't he curled up, 0:18:05.880 --> 0:18:09.800 He was taken shot after shot, and I just didn't 0:18:09.840 --> 0:18:12.080 like the way it was happening, Like if you get 0:18:12.119 --> 0:18:14.920 back to your feet and like you you have balance 0:18:15.119 --> 0:18:17.359 and you're still defending yourself intelligence, Like to me, that 0:18:17.400 --> 0:18:20.640 would have been a better sign. I didn't see that, 0:18:20.880 --> 0:18:22.879 so I I and the way that he ran and 0:18:23.000 --> 0:18:25.399 he just he ran right into the danger zone, like 0:18:25.560 --> 0:18:28.159 and the worst way possible, right into that power shot. 0:18:29.280 --> 0:18:32.240 So that wasn't a great look. And unfortunately for Nas, 0:18:32.280 --> 0:18:34.480 you know, it was stop. But I, yeah, I didn't 0:18:34.520 --> 0:18:36.840 really have I've seen way worse stoppages than that. 0:18:37.520 --> 0:18:38.399 There's been way worse. 0:18:38.800 --> 0:18:41.119 And I will say this, Uh so I was in 0:18:41.400 --> 0:18:45.640 the locker room when Rich Mitchell was giving Naziine the rules. 0:18:45.680 --> 0:18:47.960 I can't be like, Okay, yeah, this is what a 0:18:48.160 --> 0:18:49.879 back of the head looks like. And they showed the 0:18:49.880 --> 0:18:51.359 back of the head of another ref and this is 0:18:51.359 --> 0:18:53.639 what I want to see here is running through all that. 0:18:53.680 --> 0:18:57.399 And he specifically told Nazeme you need to you know, 0:18:57.480 --> 0:19:00.120 if you get hurt and you go down, I'm gonna say, 0:19:00.280 --> 0:19:02.880 give me action. I'm gonna say, show me you're there. Right, 0:19:03.440 --> 0:19:06.040 And in fairness, this Zem didn't. 0:19:05.760 --> 0:19:06.680 Show a whole lot. 0:19:07.520 --> 0:19:10.760 I will say this though, two things the beat that 0:19:10.840 --> 0:19:13.280 you mentioned, Kenny, I would have liked to see, and 0:19:13.400 --> 0:19:17.000 two not one follow up shot hit Nazim in the head. 0:19:17.040 --> 0:19:17.920 It was all arm. 0:19:18.600 --> 0:19:22.640 So when a fighter is down and hurt and it's 0:19:22.720 --> 0:19:26.000 that fast, if I don't see something connect to a 0:19:26.119 --> 0:19:30.560 head and then no reaction, I'm thinking there's still kind 0:19:30.600 --> 0:19:33.159 of something. Let this guy kind of keep fighting when 0:19:33.200 --> 0:19:37.160 it's all arm. Yeah, right, he's not getting more damage. 0:19:37.160 --> 0:19:40.520 You're not saving the fighter from more damage. So again, 0:19:41.520 --> 0:19:45.560 Razor Thin, very tough situation and fairness to refree Rich Mitchell. 0:19:45.600 --> 0:19:48.240 That's he did exactly what he said in that little rules. 0:19:48.240 --> 0:19:50.280 When they did before, you did not show me enough, 0:19:50.720 --> 0:19:53.320 just a little bit too fast. It's like it's like 0:19:53.359 --> 0:19:55.480