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Speaker 1: That's it The Inside Scoop with FT senior insider Ken Rosenthal. Ken,

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Speaker 1: we had you on to talk about the Orioles and

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Speaker 1: Angels trade, and I know you address that as well

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Speaker 1: on fair Territory. Layer two that we didn't get to

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Speaker 1: until right now is how you think the rest of

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Speaker 1: the offseason is going to shape out for Baltimore. Can

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Speaker 1: you give us more context on what that might look

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Speaker 1: like and do you really believe that they are going

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Speaker 1: to be serious players for Kyle Tucker.

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Speaker 2: Okay, what I think they're going to do most heavily

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Speaker 2: is focus on starting pitching and bullpen. They need to

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Speaker 2: rebuild almost their entire bullpen. Remember they traded almost their

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Speaker 2: entire bullpen at the deadline or before it. And they

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Speaker 2: know if Bautista is not going to be healthy until

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Speaker 2: later in the season, if then, they've already traded for

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Speaker 2: Kittridge and exercised his options. So that's one piece, but

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Speaker 2: they need others starting rotation, no secret either what they

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Speaker 2: need there. They have Bratish and Trevor Rodgers at the top.

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Speaker 2: That's good, but they want one more guy to fit

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Speaker 2: into that upper half or upper three fifths of the rotation.

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Speaker 2: A third starter to go with those guys and maybe

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Speaker 2: one more, although they do have some depth now the

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Speaker 2: Tucker thing. I reported yesterday that they have not ruled

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Speaker 2: out Kyle Tucker. Even with the acquisition of Taylor Ward

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Speaker 2: in the Rodriguez trade. Their outfield right now is pretty

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Speaker 2: set in the corners, especially, they maybe will try to

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Speaker 2: upgrade and center. Tucker, though, is an exception. And Tucker

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Speaker 2: also is a guy that michae Elias drafted with the

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Speaker 2: Houston Astros that great twenty fifteen draft where the Astros

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Speaker 2: got Bregman second and Tucker fifth amazing. So executives often

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Speaker 2: have an attachment to players they draft or develop, and

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Speaker 2: that's probably what is driving this to a certain extent.

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Speaker 2: We will see in the end if the Orioles are

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Speaker 2: are the team that can get a starting pitcher, a

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Speaker 2: big one, it's Fromberveldez type and a guy like Tucker.

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Speaker 2: Based on their past history, you intend to doubt it.

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Speaker 2: Based on the market forces, you intend to doubt it.

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Speaker 2: Other teams are going to be in on Kyle Tucker

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Speaker 2: fromberveld as all the other starters. But again, what I

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Speaker 2: reported Scott was that they've not ruled themselves out of anything,

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Speaker 2: at least at this point.

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Speaker 3: All right, Ken, I have to tell you this Oriole

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Speaker 3: fan base has been just eviscerating me. And I know

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Speaker 3: they love you because you were there. No, they don't

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Speaker 3: love me, they love you. You were there. You were

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Speaker 3: one of their guys. So I've never seen anything bad

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Speaker 3: said about you, Ken, So don't worry about it. But

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Speaker 3: I got eviscerrated for what we were saying about Brayson Rodriguez.

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Speaker 3: And it's really been like a lot of like more

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Speaker 3: the decision making of the organization that do fans should

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Speaker 3: fans think that what they've done, what Michaelias has done

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Speaker 3: so far with this tank and now the supposed rebuild

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Speaker 3: has been successful.

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Speaker 2: It was successful in the sense that they made the

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Speaker 2: playoffs back to back seasons in twenty three and twenty four.

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Speaker 2: It has not been successful in taking that next step

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Speaker 2: to being a World Series type contender, and they took

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Speaker 2: a significant step backwards last season. And the criticism of

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Speaker 2: Elias has been that as great a job as he

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Speaker 2: did building up their system and bringing prospects to the majors,

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Speaker 2: he has not been able to finish it. Finish off

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Speaker 2: with the top of the roster. And we saw that

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Speaker 2: last year, with the offseason that they had, when they

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Speaker 2: only brought in Morton in Chicano, when they had just

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Speaker 2: lost Corbin Burns, it wasn't enough. The rotation fell apart

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Speaker 2: early on and until Rogers got going, until Bradish came back,

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Speaker 2: it was a complete mess. So it is fair, certainly

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Speaker 2: to look at michae Elias and say, okay, this is it.

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Speaker 2: Now you have a team that should be better. We

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Speaker 2: have a division in which the Toronto Blue Jays came

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Speaker 2: Elias and there's not much question about that. The Rodrigaz

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Speaker 2: trade a couple of things. I mentioned it on my

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Speaker 2: show and maybe on foul Territory a couple of days ago. One.

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Speaker 2: To me, this is a calear vote of no confidence

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Speaker 2: in Grayson Rodriguez. They do not believe he is going

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Speaker 2: Ward is a right handed bat, a right handed hitting

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Speaker 2: It took a high price to get him. Now, whether

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Speaker 2: certainly fair to assume that Grayson rodad Riguez in twenty

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Speaker 2: already said that. We know that he isn't pitched in

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Speaker 2: And he seems confident. We're going to have him on

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Speaker 2: the show later today. He seems confident that he's going

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Speaker 2: to be able to throw a lot of innings. But again,

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Speaker 2: what the Orioles did in making this trade was show

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Speaker 2: their lack of confidence that he will be able to

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Speaker 4: Let's go a little north to the New York Yankees.

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Speaker 4: I love Yankee talk. Let's start with Cody Bellinger. I mean,

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Speaker 4: the guy had a pretty good year of excuse me,

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Speaker 4: he had a good year in my opinion, he did

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Speaker 2: Now, a lot of talk. Todd. Now, it's one thing

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Speaker 2: to talk, it's another thing to get it done. And

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Speaker 2: Bellinger and Bregman and some of these other free agents

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Speaker 2: who are represented by Scott Boris. Generally speaking, Boris free

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Speaker 2: agents do not sign quickly. Now, he's made exceptions a

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Speaker 2: year Cole, Rendon and Strasbourg were free agents. They all

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Speaker 2: possible one of these guys or multiple guys get done

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Speaker 2: they are leading contender for him. But Todd, you know

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Speaker 2: how free agency works. It's impossible to predict who is

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Speaker 4: We'll go to another guy, Devin Williams. We've talked about

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Speaker 4: little bit of how he did, and you know, he

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Speaker 4: struggled a little bit I felt like he could have

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Speaker 4: had a better year. Is there a Yankee talk with

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Speaker 2: There has been, And I reported this with Willson and

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Speaker 2: that they have at least talked to. They never considered

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Speaker 2: his year as bad as it looked at times. Obviously

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Speaker 2: he had certain blow up games, certain struggles, but overall

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Speaker 2: still a big swing and miss guy. Still did a

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Speaker 2: lot of good things. And in a bullpen market that

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Speaker 2: be one of the more attractive ones. So yes, the Yankees,

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Speaker 2: I've had contact with him, but still have a number

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Speaker 2: would expect him to be a guy who does fairly

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Speaker 2: but he still should command a decent multi year deal.

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Speaker 3: All right, what other the Met's going to do? We

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Speaker 3: go across town? How are the Mets going to You

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Speaker 3: wrote that they're going to attack their rotation. They're going

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Speaker 3: to talk about retooling their bullpen, just like every team.

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Speaker 3: How are they going to do? It differently than the

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Speaker 2: Well, the one thing David Stearns has not done as

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Speaker 2: Montas now dfaid, this is a strategy that, like long

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Speaker 2: Freddie Peralta and Joe Ryan even have said we're not

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Speaker 2: We'll have to see as time goes by, so the

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Speaker 2: Mets can do that. They also, though I would expect,

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Speaker 2: David Stearns is going to go out of his comfort

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Speaker 2: And while both those guys are important, or at least

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Speaker 2: That was the downfall of the Mets. They've got to

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Speaker 3: Is there any indication that Steve Cohen is maybe fearful

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Speaker 3: he came in after we got Surezer and Verlander. Well,

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Speaker 3: May of last year, looked like, oh, Stevie Cohen's gonna

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Speaker 3: it didn't work last year. We are definitely what you

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Speaker 2: It's a good question, Eric, and I don't know the answer.

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Speaker 2: And I would say that Steve Cohen most likely remains

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Speaker 2: quite confident in David Sterns. He hired him, and you're right.

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Speaker 2: Up until June of last year, they were rolling, They

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Speaker 2: there is going to be I would expect some doubt

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Speaker 2: in the mind of Steve Cohen, not just about David Sterns,

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Speaker 2: but about Carlos Mendoza. So while I would not suggest

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Speaker 2: ton of coaches, which indicates their level of frustration. That's

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Speaker 2: So I would say Cohen is still confident in Stern's

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Speaker 2: and I would expect Mendoza as well. But again, some

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Speaker 2: of that got punctured last year. I would imagine, simply

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Speaker 2: by what happened, it's inevitable that people would think that way. Ken.

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Speaker 1: Let me get a fan question or two in here.

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Speaker 1: So MJ Sports Cards ask can we ask Ken about

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Speaker 1: potential trades for kateel Marte. Do you think that's a

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Speaker 1: real name that's going to surface this offseason? And I

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Speaker 1: know that there is a factor in play with his

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Speaker 1: ten five rights coming up this season, so it's now

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Speaker 1: or never.

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Speaker 2: It's definitely a factor and it's definitely a real name.

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Speaker 2: So katel Marte is one of the best second basemen

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Speaker 2: Eric will have to see And you're asking valid questions. One,

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Speaker 2: The problem they're having at shortstop is that there aren't

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Speaker 1: Ken last one, I'm going to give you two player

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Speaker 2: Well, of course, these are the contact kings of the

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Speaker 2: how polarizing a guy He is high padding average for sure,

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Speaker 2: no one met it. Will they discuss him again? I

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Speaker 2: would expect that they would, simply because that's what the

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Speaker 2: I know they're excited about, but you also need veterans,

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Speaker 3: If there were trade him. We had heard before that

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Speaker 2: I don't think you need to package Stephen Kuan with

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Speaker 2: they were both getting discussed in trade separately. So no,

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Speaker 2: to me, Stephen Kwan is value. We saw that at

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Speaker 1: Yeah, more of a complete player too than Arise. Although

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Speaker 1: I love me some Luisa rise in spurts, I know,

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Speaker 1: not as good as season ken good stuff. Enjoy the weekend. No,

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Speaker 1: But we'll see you next week.

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Speaker 5: Or they need to do a trade deadline in the winter,

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Speaker 5: But all in all, you want to be ready to

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Speaker 1: That's Lance Lane on the revamped Cardinal Territory, which also

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Speaker 2: The trade deadline is doable.

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Speaker 1: You're able to do a dark period during the winter meetings,

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Speaker 3: Never can you touch somebody's six year free agency. You

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Speaker 3: But I love this because it'll it'll it'll solve a

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Speaker 3: You know, I don't know Dylan Cease is worth. You

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Speaker 2: It's not a fit.

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Speaker 4: And I love what Lancett said. I wish they would

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Speaker 4: of a push. All right, we can't get this guy.

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Speaker 4: This guy says he's not going there, boom. Then who's next.

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Speaker 4: Then a guy like me comes along, all right, let's go.

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Speaker 2: Let's talk.

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Speaker 4: So I would love to see