1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,360 Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck 2 00:00:03,400 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. 3 00:00:05,280 --> 00:00:07,600 Speaker 2: All right, it is the third hour of the Clay 4 00:00:07,600 --> 00:00:11,119 Speaker 2: Travis and Buck Sexton Show that is beginning right this moment. 5 00:00:11,400 --> 00:00:16,520 Speaker 2: And I asked a question right before we went into 6 00:00:16,640 --> 00:00:19,360 Speaker 2: a little station bright there, and I want to answer 7 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:23,520 Speaker 2: for you now because there is a pandemic of thievery 8 00:00:24,520 --> 00:00:29,520 Speaker 2: underway in this country. People are stealing at numbers that 9 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:34,960 Speaker 2: are truly mind blowing. I'm talking about the actual aggregate 10 00:00:35,080 --> 00:00:40,520 Speaker 2: numbers when you crunch them of losses, whether it's retail theft, 11 00:00:40,680 --> 00:00:45,040 Speaker 2: organized retail theft, which targets saying it lost five hundred 12 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:49,840 Speaker 2: million dollars to theft last year in this this past year, 13 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:55,200 Speaker 2: which is just crazy. We think about how much theft 14 00:00:55,240 --> 00:00:57,920 Speaker 2: that really is. But to give you a sense of 15 00:00:58,240 --> 00:01:01,800 Speaker 2: the problems that big cities like me Worace or remember, 16 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:04,280 Speaker 2: we were told we needed criminal justice reform because the 17 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:08,000 Speaker 2: justice system was just too harsh. And then you look 18 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:10,200 Speaker 2: at what's really going on, and people are being arrested 19 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:15,520 Speaker 2: dozens and dozens of times, major charges are being downgraded constantly. 20 00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:18,279 Speaker 2: And if you want to look at the basis of 21 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:21,559 Speaker 2: how it all got turned around at the very low level. 22 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:26,480 Speaker 2: How do you create an orderly city and orderly society 23 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:31,320 Speaker 2: by having people obey and understand and be willing to 24 00:01:32,360 --> 00:01:35,839 Speaker 2: comply with the day to day stuff. This is broken 25 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:40,240 Speaker 2: windows theory one one. The Metro Transit Authority, which is 26 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:47,400 Speaker 2: the body that runs subways, trains, buses, et cetera for 27 00:01:47,520 --> 00:01:52,080 Speaker 2: New York City, has revealed Clay that it lost. This 28 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:56,280 Speaker 2: just came out six hundred and ninety million dollars to 29 00:01:56,600 --> 00:02:02,360 Speaker 2: fair evasion last year, as in turn style jumping or 30 00:02:02,520 --> 00:02:04,960 Speaker 2: people just going on a bus and the bus driver 31 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:07,360 Speaker 2: is not gonna do anything. If you get on a 32 00:02:07,360 --> 00:02:10,160 Speaker 2: bus and you just refuse to pay, and you know 33 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:15,320 Speaker 2: what happens. That just creates a situation where people do 34 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:20,480 Speaker 2: it more and more. The MTA says a third of 35 00:02:20,639 --> 00:02:25,840 Speaker 2: bus river bus riders. Wow, a third, Holy that's I 36 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:27,920 Speaker 2: didn't even that's even higher than I thought. I had 37 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:31,080 Speaker 2: read that as a difference. And thirteen percent of subway 38 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 2: riders and a third of bus riders are skipping out 39 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 2: on these fares. And understand that when you look at 40 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:43,280 Speaker 2: the Giuliani era, Clay and I grew up in the 41 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:47,920 Speaker 2: Giuliani era in New York city uh Andrew Giuliani went 42 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:51,160 Speaker 2: to my school, so I was very aware of the 43 00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:53,320 Speaker 2: Giuliani family and what Rudy was trying to do at 44 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:57,320 Speaker 2: the time. And you saw that they talked about the 45 00:02:57,360 --> 00:03:00,480 Speaker 2: turn the guys jumping the turnstiles. They started a resting 46 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:03,720 Speaker 2: people for jumping the turnstiles. 47 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:04,840 Speaker 1: And what it did. 48 00:03:04,880 --> 00:03:06,520 Speaker 2: It's not that if you jump a turnstile you're a 49 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:08,760 Speaker 2: bad person, although you shouldn't do it and there should 50 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:11,679 Speaker 2: be some punishment associated with it. But what they found 51 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:14,120 Speaker 2: is that people jumping the turnstiles were also wanted for 52 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:18,000 Speaker 2: aggravated sexual assault. The people jumping the turnstiles were also 53 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:23,000 Speaker 2: wanted for murder, or for extortion, or for racketeering gang activity. 54 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:26,640 Speaker 2: And so by enforcing the little laws, you had more 55 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:31,160 Speaker 2: contact with the criminal element in society. But when you 56 00:03:31,200 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 2: start to see the numbers, whether it's New York or 57 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:37,320 Speaker 2: San Francisco, any number of places, when you add together 58 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:42,240 Speaker 2: the theft of services from city agencies and the theft 59 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 2: from retail stores which has caused the shutdown of the 60 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:47,920 Speaker 2: whole Foods in San Francisco, and you know Walgreens and 61 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:51,840 Speaker 2: Walmarts and all these different things, this is a truly 62 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:56,800 Speaker 2: disordered and destructive situation, and the only way to stop 63 00:03:56,840 --> 00:03:59,360 Speaker 2: it is to start enforcing the law and arresting people. 64 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:01,640 Speaker 2: Otherwise it just keeps going, keeps getting worse. 65 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:06,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, did you say, just to confirm, one third of 66 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:11,040 Speaker 1: bus fare passengers are just so? Look thirteen percent of 67 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:15,480 Speaker 1: subway jumpers. That doesn't necessarily surprise me, right, because you 68 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:17,640 Speaker 1: have lots of young people who can just kind of 69 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:20,880 Speaker 1: jump over the subway turnstiles and go through and there 70 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:23,880 Speaker 1: might or might not be somebody there to actually see it. 71 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:28,600 Speaker 1: But am I crazy? I used to ride public bus 72 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:32,800 Speaker 1: when I was in school, and every time I got on, 73 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:36,919 Speaker 1: you had to walk past the bus driver and either 74 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:40,200 Speaker 1: put your fare in or not, and the bus driver 75 00:04:40,279 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 1: would be like in charge of making sure that you 76 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:45,919 Speaker 1: put your fare or showed your you know, at my 77 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:50,120 Speaker 1: time MTA Metro Nashville Transit Authority card, and then you 78 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:52,440 Speaker 1: put in your dollar or whatever the cost was to 79 00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:55,760 Speaker 1: be able to ride the city bus. So are bus 80 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:59,240 Speaker 1: drivers just no longer enforcing the take up of a 81 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:01,880 Speaker 1: fare when they're driving around on the bus? 82 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:04,560 Speaker 2: Nope, you get on the bus, the bus driver doesn't care. 83 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:07,279 Speaker 2: They're not going to get into it. And and but this 84 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:09,520 Speaker 2: is just the I mean even I'm surprised that it 85 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:12,120 Speaker 2: was a third fourteen percent of subway and I would 86 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:15,240 Speaker 2: ree as crazy buck, I mean said a third up 87 00:05:15,279 --> 00:05:17,640 Speaker 2: a third of bus ride. I keep reading it, I'm like, 88 00:05:17,680 --> 00:05:19,200 Speaker 2: how is that even? But this is how you get 89 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:21,760 Speaker 2: almost a billion dollars of fair loss. Think about that 90 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:23,360 Speaker 2: a bit. It's you know, you're getting up at seven 91 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:26,559 Speaker 2: hundred million in terms of the overall number. Six hundred 92 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:29,680 Speaker 2: and ninety was the official figure they rolled out. And 93 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:32,159 Speaker 2: and I think it's also something you have to keep 94 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:35,919 Speaker 2: in mind that Clay New York. We mentioned it earlier 95 00:05:35,920 --> 00:05:40,520 Speaker 2: in the show. State receipts year over year for the 96 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:43,320 Speaker 2: month of April for state revenue, as in money that 97 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:47,000 Speaker 2: the state took in, mostly through taxes of all different kinds, 98 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:50,240 Speaker 2: down forty percent. That was another number that people look at. 99 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:52,839 Speaker 2: They say, you can't. You know, if you're running a 100 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:54,760 Speaker 2: business and all of a sudden you're down forty percent, 101 00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:58,159 Speaker 2: you're hemorrhaging. You know, you're firing people, you got you 102 00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:01,160 Speaker 2: got big problems, right New York State. That's not even 103 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:04,240 Speaker 2: just New York City down forty percent of overseats. Here's what's 104 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:07,360 Speaker 2: going on. You have the city agencies, for example, six 105 00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:10,080 Speaker 2: hundred ninety million dollars that's going to be lost. That's 106 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:13,120 Speaker 2: lost here from people that are cheating the system and 107 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:17,120 Speaker 2: people that have the resources to move. No, once you 108 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:19,240 Speaker 2: leave New York, you're going to be fighting with the 109 00:06:19,279 --> 00:06:21,800 Speaker 2: tax authorities in New York for a while. They'll harass 110 00:06:21,839 --> 00:06:24,960 Speaker 2: people endlessly who used to live there and moved out 111 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:27,839 Speaker 2: of state to try to squeeze more money out of them, 112 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:30,599 Speaker 2: while they refuse to actually make people who are taking 113 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:33,320 Speaker 2: the subway or the bus pay the you know whatever. 114 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:35,360 Speaker 2: It is now two seventy five, and I always just 115 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:38,520 Speaker 2: buy with a credit card. But it's it's crazy. 116 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:40,520 Speaker 1: What's going on? Yeah, And this is one of the 117 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:42,600 Speaker 1: arguments that I've made that I think is going to 118 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:47,520 Speaker 1: become increasingly clear to many different people out there. And 119 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:50,440 Speaker 1: I'll give you an example. Everybody who uses Google, and 120 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:52,040 Speaker 1: there are a lot of you out there that use 121 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:54,360 Speaker 1: Google on a day to day basis, every time you 122 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:58,039 Speaker 1: use Google and click on something, you make the search 123 00:06:58,160 --> 00:07:02,680 Speaker 1: results more effective. So the more people who use Google, 124 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:06,440 Speaker 1: the more effective the search engine becomes. And the more 125 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:09,359 Speaker 1: people who use it. Okay, it's called a virtuous circle 126 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:13,480 Speaker 1: in business. Basically, the use of the product makes the 127 00:07:13,520 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 1: product more effective and efficient. You can think about it, 128 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:20,920 Speaker 1: how many of you have iPhones because you're I messaging right. 129 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:23,560 Speaker 1: One of the brilliant things that iPhone did you got 130 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:26,680 Speaker 1: the blue message going back and forth between iPhones as 131 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:29,800 Speaker 1: opposed to the green. Okay, So the more people who 132 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:31,880 Speaker 1: have that network, the more people who use it, the 133 00:07:31,880 --> 00:07:35,600 Speaker 1: more efficient and effective it becomes. That's now working in 134 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:38,720 Speaker 1: reverse as well. And I think it's going on in 135 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:41,440 Speaker 1: New York City. I think it's going on in San Francisco. 136 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:46,000 Speaker 1: I think it's going on in many different big cities 137 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:48,880 Speaker 1: in blue states. Buck and the numbers reflect is you 138 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:53,240 Speaker 1: just shared that it's not only the people who are leaving. 139 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:55,560 Speaker 1: Let's use New York City for an example, because we're 140 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:58,120 Speaker 1: talking about fair jumping there. It's not only the people 141 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:00,160 Speaker 1: who are leaving New York City that are making the 142 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:03,880 Speaker 1: state and the city and worst position. It's the people 143 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:08,080 Speaker 1: who paid the most to make that state and city 144 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 1: run the most efficiently. So if you took let's say, 145 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:15,600 Speaker 1: the twenty five biggest taxpayers and remove them from New 146 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 1: York City, the overall impact to the tax revenue would 147 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:24,760 Speaker 1: be more substantial than let's say, if the bottom fifty 148 00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:28,280 Speaker 1: thousand may have left the city. Right, because the high 149 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:32,160 Speaker 1: earning taxpayers pay so much of the money that allows 150 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:35,160 Speaker 1: the city and state to function. And when those people 151 00:08:35,280 --> 00:08:38,000 Speaker 1: leave they go to state like Florida, or state like Texas, 152 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:40,880 Speaker 1: or a state like my Tennessee. Makes those states more 153 00:08:40,880 --> 00:08:44,280 Speaker 1: efficient and effective and works in the opposite direction, the 154 00:08:44,320 --> 00:08:47,560 Speaker 1: opposite of a virtuous circle in the places that they're leaving. 155 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:48,640 Speaker 1: It's becoming a big deal. 156 00:08:49,559 --> 00:08:54,600 Speaker 2: New York State in twenty twenty one lost twenty five 157 00:08:54,760 --> 00:09:01,240 Speaker 2: billion dollars in revenue because of out migration leaving. That 158 00:09:01,400 --> 00:09:05,600 Speaker 2: is a big problem. California lost just shy of thirty 159 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:08,559 Speaker 2: billion dollars this same year. And now everyone has to 160 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:11,760 Speaker 2: remember a lot of those high earners are going to 161 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:15,960 Speaker 2: be high earners year after year. So it's not like 162 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:19,840 Speaker 2: that's a one time cost. That is a tax base, 163 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:23,520 Speaker 2: a yearly tax base that New York and California have 164 00:09:23,760 --> 00:09:27,320 Speaker 2: lost to other states. Now there's a part of it. It says, 165 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:30,760 Speaker 2: this is how the system is supposed to work. So good, 166 00:09:31,160 --> 00:09:33,080 Speaker 2: But for the people that are still, including my own 167 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:36,439 Speaker 2: family in New York City, the people that are staying behind. 168 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:39,840 Speaker 2: You have to wonder or staying put, I should say, 169 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:42,360 Speaker 2: you have to wonder what does it take for the 170 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:44,200 Speaker 2: city authorities to figure out there's a problem. I mean 171 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:47,480 Speaker 2: Eric Adams earlier this week says that finally they're going 172 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:52,560 Speaker 2: to crack down, crack down on retail thefts, and they've 173 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:54,520 Speaker 2: risen forty percent in the. 174 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:56,000 Speaker 1: Big Apple Clay. 175 00:09:56,040 --> 00:10:00,959 Speaker 2: There are three hundred and twenty seven individual in New 176 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:05,439 Speaker 2: York City who have been arrested an average of twenty 177 00:10:05,520 --> 00:10:09,520 Speaker 2: two times each for organized retail theft. So stealing a 178 00:10:09,520 --> 00:10:12,240 Speaker 2: whole bunch of stuff, you're talking about a small group 179 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:15,520 Speaker 2: of people that is responsible for thousands and thousands and 180 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:17,680 Speaker 2: thousands of shoplifting incidents. 181 00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:18,720 Speaker 1: Would it? 182 00:10:18,920 --> 00:10:22,520 Speaker 2: I mean, what if you steal twenty times, don't you 183 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:23,200 Speaker 2: go to prison? 184 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:25,760 Speaker 1: I remember we were being told, oh, three strikes laws. 185 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:27,640 Speaker 1: Somebody stole a pair of socks and they go to 186 00:10:27,679 --> 00:10:30,720 Speaker 1: prison for the rest of their lives. People are getting 187 00:10:30,760 --> 00:10:33,680 Speaker 1: arrested fifty times. There are no non seems to care, 188 00:10:33,920 --> 00:10:36,760 Speaker 1: no consequences, And that's the that's the natural reaction. 189 00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:37,000 Speaker 3: You know. 190 00:10:37,160 --> 00:10:39,160 Speaker 1: I'm up in New York City right now. Buck. I 191 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:42,440 Speaker 1: went into a into I think it was a CBS, right, 192 00:10:42,520 --> 00:10:45,400 Speaker 1: just a grocery store. And you've talked about this. I 193 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:49,120 Speaker 1: couldn't believe all the things that were behind glass right 194 00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:52,079 Speaker 1: like it used to be. If you went in somewhere, 195 00:10:52,280 --> 00:10:54,640 Speaker 1: they would put let's say, the most expensive things. I 196 00:10:54,760 --> 00:10:56,840 Speaker 1: use this as an example. Back in the day, if 197 00:10:56,880 --> 00:10:58,760 Speaker 1: I were going to go try to buy a video 198 00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:01,160 Speaker 1: game and I was in toys rs. Some of you 199 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:04,240 Speaker 1: will remember, you had to go get the employer or 200 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:07,240 Speaker 1: the employee and they would unlock the video game case 201 00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:09,560 Speaker 1: and they'd give you, you know, Techmobowl or whatever it 202 00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:11,720 Speaker 1: was that you were getting as a video game. Those 203 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:14,920 Speaker 1: were expensive. They were worried about getting stolen. They have 204 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:17,800 Speaker 1: toothpaste that you have to get people to unlock down 205 00:11:17,840 --> 00:11:22,280 Speaker 1: buck toothpaste. You know that that this is out of control. 206 00:11:22,280 --> 00:11:27,439 Speaker 1: And you mentioned federalism, and I think COVID accelerated federalism 207 00:11:27,880 --> 00:11:29,960 Speaker 1: to a level that we have not seen in any 208 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:34,040 Speaker 1: of our lives. Your governor mattered, your state mattered in 209 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:38,040 Speaker 1: a massive way. And I think what we're now seeing 210 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:40,640 Speaker 1: is a lot of people who would have never considered 211 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:44,000 Speaker 1: making that move to Florida or Texas or Tennessee because 212 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:45,600 Speaker 1: they lived in New York City, or they lived in 213 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:49,920 Speaker 1: LA they moved during COVID, and their business continued to 214 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:53,200 Speaker 1: work and function efficiently. And now they're saying, why would 215 00:11:53,200 --> 00:11:56,600 Speaker 1: I pay thirteen percent state income tax? The guy makes 216 00:11:56,600 --> 00:11:59,520 Speaker 1: a million dollars a year. That's one hundred and thirty k. 217 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:02,920 Speaker 1: How much better does California or New York have to 218 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:05,920 Speaker 1: be than New York? I mean than in Tennessee, Texas 219 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:09,360 Speaker 1: or Florida. If you're talking about hundreds of thousands, if 220 00:12:09,400 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 1: not millions of extra dollars in your family's pocket, if 221 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:15,280 Speaker 1: you happen to be a high earning individual. 222 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:19,319 Speaker 2: I don't know how they turn this around without going 223 00:12:19,360 --> 00:12:24,960 Speaker 2: against their basic governing philosophy, which is equity, which is 224 00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:30,000 Speaker 2: high crime and high taxes. I don't know unless they're 225 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:32,040 Speaker 2: just willing to say we've been wrong about the core 226 00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:34,440 Speaker 2: issues of governance. Because what matters at a city or 227 00:12:34,440 --> 00:12:38,000 Speaker 2: state level are people safe? Can they make money? Do 228 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:39,200 Speaker 2: they have a nice day to day life? 229 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:41,200 Speaker 1: Right? I mean, the national level stuff is a little 230 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:41,640 Speaker 1: bit different. 231 00:12:41,640 --> 00:12:45,079 Speaker 2: You get into the abortion and you get into all 232 00:12:45,080 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 2: these other that matters the state level too, obviously, But 233 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:50,560 Speaker 2: I'm just saying, you know, people generally care more about 234 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:54,040 Speaker 2: are their streets safe, how's the economy doing where they live, 235 00:12:54,280 --> 00:12:56,400 Speaker 2: and what's their day to day quality of life? Like, 236 00:12:56,920 --> 00:12:58,560 Speaker 2: I don't know how they can change these things or 237 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:00,880 Speaker 2: turn these things around in the cities. And you know, 238 00:13:00,920 --> 00:13:03,679 Speaker 2: for a lot of our listeners in places like California 239 00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:08,480 Speaker 2: New York live in suburban areas, you know, outside the city, 240 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:11,840 Speaker 2: and so for them, you know, they're not really in 241 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:13,960 Speaker 2: the midst of they know, right they'll commute into work 242 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:15,520 Speaker 2: or they'll see it, but they're not living right in 243 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:16,839 Speaker 2: the midst of it. I mean, I was living in 244 00:13:17,040 --> 00:13:20,440 Speaker 2: midtown Manhattan. I saw stuff in the last few years 245 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:23,400 Speaker 2: I have never seen before as a New Yorker. I 246 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:26,040 Speaker 2: mean I was seeing crazy stuff on the street's open 247 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:28,840 Speaker 2: air heroin yous at like one o'clock in the afternoon, 248 00:13:28,920 --> 00:13:32,240 Speaker 2: I mean, just right on my block, and no one cares. 249 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:36,120 Speaker 2: No one's getting arrested, lunatics running around half naked, threatening 250 00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:38,160 Speaker 2: to stab old ladies unless they give them money, and 251 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:39,600 Speaker 2: they're just like, oh, that guy's having. 252 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:41,640 Speaker 1: A bad day. People don't like that. 253 00:13:41,920 --> 00:13:45,080 Speaker 2: It turns out that all people don't really like that, 254 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:47,320 Speaker 2: but Democrats don't seem to want to change it. 255 00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:49,559 Speaker 1: And building on that block. I don't know if you 256 00:13:49,600 --> 00:13:52,880 Speaker 1: saw this. This new mayor of Chicago, Brandon Johnson, came 257 00:13:52,880 --> 00:13:55,360 Speaker 1: out with his new platform to make Chicago better. Do 258 00:13:55,360 --> 00:13:58,160 Speaker 1: you know what he wants to do? Race txes massively. 259 00:13:58,920 --> 00:14:00,920 Speaker 1: I mean, if you're in Chicago right now, you just 260 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:04,480 Speaker 1: had an awful loss. I think in the mayor's race, 261 00:14:04,520 --> 00:14:07,360 Speaker 1: you voted for a progressive who says that there's too 262 00:14:07,400 --> 00:14:10,400 Speaker 1: much police presence on the streets of Chicago. It's going 263 00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:12,040 Speaker 1: to have to get worse. 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Neither Buck nor I have spent very much 310 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:33,040 Speaker 1: time on the debt ceiling discussion because ultimately Buck and 311 00:16:33,080 --> 00:16:36,880 Speaker 1: I know the latest is, oh, there's disagreements, There's going 312 00:16:36,960 --> 00:16:40,480 Speaker 1: to be some form of resolution. Right. So I feel 313 00:16:40,480 --> 00:16:43,160 Speaker 1: this way all the time about the debt ceiling fight. 314 00:16:43,360 --> 00:16:48,720 Speaker 1: It matters in the context of, Hey, what trajectory are 315 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:51,160 Speaker 1: we going on as a country. We're still spending way 316 00:16:51,200 --> 00:16:54,880 Speaker 1: too much money, and the impact, by and large, I 317 00:16:54,880 --> 00:16:57,080 Speaker 1: think on a day to day basis is not going 318 00:16:57,160 --> 00:16:59,560 Speaker 1: to be massive. I think you agree with that that 319 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:02,520 Speaker 1: there is going to be some resolution. The country is 320 00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:06,160 Speaker 1: not going to collapse on June first, like somehow it's 321 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:09,199 Speaker 1: going to get fixed. It's just impossible given all the 322 00:17:09,280 --> 00:17:10,040 Speaker 1: history onics. 323 00:17:09,840 --> 00:17:12,680 Speaker 2: Around the debt ceiling before and for some members of 324 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:16,720 Speaker 2: Congress what felt like, you know, auditions for their own 325 00:17:16,760 --> 00:17:20,480 Speaker 2: Fox News guest spots or shows or whatever. People don't 326 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:22,280 Speaker 2: care about the debt ceiling is that's not that the 327 00:17:22,320 --> 00:17:23,760 Speaker 2: debt isn't massively important to be. 328 00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:25,720 Speaker 1: It is enormously important. 329 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:28,639 Speaker 2: And we are on a train and we can see 330 00:17:28,760 --> 00:17:32,040 Speaker 2: the tracks lead off a cliff, but neither party wants 331 00:17:32,080 --> 00:17:34,000 Speaker 2: to do anything about it. Nothing serious. The people that 332 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:36,520 Speaker 2: are telling you we're going to tackle the debt, they're 333 00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:40,439 Speaker 2: talking about a decrease in the percentage of the increase 334 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:43,679 Speaker 2: in spending. 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Go to get refunds dot Com or download 359 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:56,560 Speaker 2: the app from the app store today again, that's Get 360 00:18:56,880 --> 00:18:59,960 Speaker 2: Refunds dot Com. 361 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:03,360 Speaker 1: Welcome back in Clay, Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all 362 00:19:03,359 --> 00:19:06,240 Speaker 1: of you hanging out with us. We are joined now 363 00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:10,479 Speaker 1: by Missouri Senator Josh Holly, father of three. He's got 364 00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:15,320 Speaker 1: a new book, Manhood, the Masculine Virtues America needs. And 365 00:19:16,560 --> 00:19:20,359 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure, Senator you look around and see 366 00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:25,640 Speaker 1: some of this ridiculous stuff. The Adidas has men wearing 367 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:32,040 Speaker 1: women's bathing suits. We've got men winning women's championships. I 368 00:19:32,040 --> 00:19:35,360 Speaker 1: don't think anybody can argue that masculinity, in many ways 369 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:38,160 Speaker 1: is under siege. So is femininity, So is the very 370 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:40,600 Speaker 1: idea that there's a different in the sex, difference in 371 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:42,520 Speaker 1: the sexes. How do we fix this? 372 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:45,239 Speaker 3: Well, thanks for having me on. It's great to be 373 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:47,360 Speaker 3: with you, and you nailed it. It is. The Left 374 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:49,800 Speaker 3: is waging a war on the whole idea of gender. 375 00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:53,440 Speaker 3: They're telling men that they're inherently toxic. They're telling women 376 00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:55,720 Speaker 3: that they don't exist. You know, anybody can be a 377 00:19:55,720 --> 00:19:58,160 Speaker 3: woman today. I mean, it is crazy stuff. The way 378 00:19:58,200 --> 00:20:00,800 Speaker 3: we fix it, I think, is we first of all, 379 00:20:00,800 --> 00:20:03,680 Speaker 3: insist that on the reality of biology, that there are 380 00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:06,160 Speaker 3: really biological men, that's a real thing, and there really 381 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:09,160 Speaker 3: are biological women, and those things are different. Number one. 382 00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:11,080 Speaker 3: Number two, it's good. It's good to be a man, 383 00:20:11,119 --> 00:20:13,040 Speaker 3: it's good to be a woman. And then I think 384 00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:16,480 Speaker 3: for young men, we need to send the message that hey, 385 00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:18,879 Speaker 3: there are role models out there of what a good 386 00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:23,000 Speaker 3: strong man looks like. We need strong men in America. 387 00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:25,239 Speaker 3: We need men who are going to take responsibility for 388 00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:28,879 Speaker 3: their lives, for their families, ultimately for their country, and 389 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:31,640 Speaker 3: we need to send that message to young people, especially. 390 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:34,600 Speaker 2: Senator Hollyot's back. Thanks for being with us. I want 391 00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:36,200 Speaker 2: to know you, Clay and I talk about this a lot. 392 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:39,399 Speaker 2: I wanted to hear your take on it, which is 393 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:45,080 Speaker 2: why does the left want to undermine masculinity so much? 394 00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:48,760 Speaker 2: It's very clear there's a concerted effort here. What's the 395 00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:50,040 Speaker 2: motivation behind that? 396 00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:53,280 Speaker 3: I think it's power, you know, I think that men 397 00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:56,560 Speaker 3: who are strong and independent are a threat to the 398 00:20:56,640 --> 00:20:58,959 Speaker 3: leftists and to the elitists who want to run the country. 399 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:02,199 Speaker 3: You think about buck. Their message to men for the 400 00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:05,400 Speaker 3: last twenty thirty forty years, it's been, hey, go turn 401 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:09,119 Speaker 3: on a screen, go entertain yourself, buy some stuff, be 402 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:12,480 Speaker 3: an androgenous consumer, but don't rock the boat. You know, 403 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:15,159 Speaker 3: let us let the experts run the country. You just 404 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:17,280 Speaker 3: sit there and do as you're told I think men 405 00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:20,560 Speaker 3: who are independent who say not, Actually, I've got a job, 406 00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:25,240 Speaker 3: I'm economically independent, I provide for my family, I'm morally independent, 407 00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:28,080 Speaker 3: I've got my own political views. That's a threat to 408 00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:31,320 Speaker 3: the liberal elites, the so called experts running this country. 409 00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:34,640 Speaker 3: And that's exactly why we need men to stand up, 410 00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:38,720 Speaker 3: be stronger, to take responsibility. That's what liberty is. Liberty 411 00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:40,919 Speaker 3: is when we run our own lives, right, liberties when 412 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:44,000 Speaker 3: we run our own government. So to reclaim the promise 413 00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:46,800 Speaker 3: of liberty in this country, preserve it, we need men 414 00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:49,639 Speaker 3: who are going to stand up, take responsibility, be strong 415 00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:50,320 Speaker 3: and independent. 416 00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:52,879 Speaker 1: You know, Buck and I talk a lot on this program. 417 00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:55,160 Speaker 1: I mean, there are certain things that I see and 418 00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:59,160 Speaker 1: it's almost impossible to have predicted that this would ever occur. 419 00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:02,240 Speaker 1: Even even if you go back to like twenty ten, 420 00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:06,240 Speaker 1: twenty sixteen, even the idea that there wouldn't be and 421 00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:08,879 Speaker 1: I know you guys just voted on this, there wouldn't 422 00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:12,159 Speaker 1: be a single Democrat in Congress, in the House or 423 00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:16,640 Speaker 1: the Senate that was willing to say, hey, men's sports 424 00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:20,280 Speaker 1: should be for men and women's sports should be for women. 425 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:23,639 Speaker 1: Blows my mind. Did you ever think I mean, you 426 00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:26,000 Speaker 1: grew up playing athletics, like we said, you've got three 427 00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:28,560 Speaker 1: kids as well. You're in Missouri. I'm sure that most 428 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:31,639 Speaker 1: of your constituents think this is wild too. Do you 429 00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:35,360 Speaker 1: ever think we'd see an entire political party unwilling to say, hey, 430 00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:37,760 Speaker 1: we should separate men and women's sports. 431 00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:40,679 Speaker 3: No, No, I did not. I wouldn't have thought that 432 00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:43,400 Speaker 3: just three or four years ago. I mean, it is incredible, 433 00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:48,160 Speaker 3: this radical ideology that is so totally unhinged from reality. 434 00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:51,000 Speaker 3: And Clay, you know, you know, parents don't want this, 435 00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:53,920 Speaker 3: and that crosses political lines. At least it doesn't my state. 436 00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:56,760 Speaker 3: Democrat parents, independent parents, they don't care if they just 437 00:22:56,800 --> 00:23:00,119 Speaker 3: want their kids number one, to be a firm or 438 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:01,720 Speaker 3: who they are, not that you know, if you're a boy, 439 00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:02,960 Speaker 3: you need to be a girl. If you're a girl, 440 00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:04,960 Speaker 3: you need to be a boy. Crazy. They want their 441 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:08,000 Speaker 3: girls to actually be able to play sports and not 442 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:10,840 Speaker 3: have men pushed into their same sports leagues or into 443 00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:14,040 Speaker 3: their same walker rooms. This is pretty basic stuff. And 444 00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:17,880 Speaker 3: I think the left has gotten so out of control here, 445 00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:21,520 Speaker 3: They've gotten so far afield that they've just completely lost 446 00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:23,800 Speaker 3: touch with reality. And that's why, you know, conservatives, this 447 00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:25,800 Speaker 3: is the time for conservatives to stand up and to 448 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:29,720 Speaker 3: defend manhood, to defend womanhood, to say those things are real, 449 00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:33,359 Speaker 3: those things have value, and we should recover what healthy 450 00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:34,959 Speaker 3: role models for both of them look like. 451 00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:40,600 Speaker 2: Senator Holly with us now from Missouri. Senator, you're Democrat 452 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:44,920 Speaker 2: senate colleagues on this gender issue? Do you think I mean, 453 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:48,320 Speaker 2: without asking anyone specifically, but as a general matter, do 454 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:51,400 Speaker 2: they believe the stuff the slogans they mouth on TV 455 00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:54,560 Speaker 2: about how it's fine that, you know, men can actually 456 00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:56,359 Speaker 2: be women and they should compete. Or are they just 457 00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:59,760 Speaker 2: so afraid of the cult and their political power to 458 00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:01,520 Speaker 2: mean that they're willing to go along with it? 459 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:02,080 Speaker 1: You know what I mean? 460 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:04,320 Speaker 2: Are they true believers or are they just they don't 461 00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:05,800 Speaker 2: have a choice in their minds. 462 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:09,000 Speaker 3: I think it's probably the second thing. And I say 463 00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:11,679 Speaker 3: it because I have respect for these people, and I 464 00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:13,919 Speaker 3: just can't believe they actually believe this stuff, you know, 465 00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:17,879 Speaker 3: I mean, I think it's that the lobby here, the 466 00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:20,159 Speaker 3: radical left lobby. Let's remember who the base of the 467 00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:22,440 Speaker 3: Democrat party is now. It's people who fly around the 468 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:25,200 Speaker 3: private jets and go to conferences a Davos like that's 469 00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:28,159 Speaker 3: their base. Those are the people with the power, the 470 00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:30,760 Speaker 3: radical activists, who also tend to be very rich and 471 00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:34,040 Speaker 3: well connected. So I think they're very responsive to those people, 472 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:38,639 Speaker 3: and those people are pushing this trans ideology, this no 473 00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:42,439 Speaker 3: gender ideology all the way. I mean, hook line and sinker. 474 00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:44,760 Speaker 3: I think the left bought it, so that to me 475 00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:48,600 Speaker 3: is what's driving this. But you know it is it's crazy. 476 00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:50,359 Speaker 3: I mean it's crazy talk. And I think of the 477 00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:54,080 Speaker 3: hearing that I had some months back where we had 478 00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:56,480 Speaker 3: called by the Democrats, where we had an elite law 479 00:24:56,480 --> 00:25:00,360 Speaker 3: professor who wouldn't even say the word woman. He kept 480 00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:03,760 Speaker 3: saying persons with birthing capacity. And it's like, you mean, 481 00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:06,359 Speaker 3: you mean woman? Right, here's the point that we're at 482 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:08,159 Speaker 3: in America with the left. They won't say men, they 483 00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:10,280 Speaker 3: won't say woman. And I think one of the reasons 484 00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:12,359 Speaker 3: I wrote the book is to cut across all of that, 485 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:16,439 Speaker 3: all of that nonsense. Let's tell the truth. We need 486 00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:19,679 Speaker 3: good strong men. We need good strong women too, But 487 00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:22,720 Speaker 3: for men, this is really a call to step up, 488 00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:25,800 Speaker 3: to take responsibility and to go out there change your 489 00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:28,880 Speaker 3: own life first and then change your family, change this country. 490 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:34,640 Speaker 1: The book is Manhood, The masculine virtues America needs. I'm 491 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:36,600 Speaker 1: sure I've got three boys, so I spend a lot 492 00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:39,119 Speaker 1: of time thinking about this fifteen, twelve, and eight. And 493 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:42,000 Speaker 1: obviously I see a lot of their friends around and 494 00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:45,040 Speaker 1: everything else, and one thing I hear from them, And 495 00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:47,040 Speaker 1: I'm curious if you're hearing this from your own kids, 496 00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:50,600 Speaker 1: or if you're hearing this from constituents. A lot of young, 497 00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:53,920 Speaker 1: you know, men, a lot of boys, they look around 498 00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:56,640 Speaker 1: and say, you know, we're being told that we are 499 00:25:56,720 --> 00:26:01,280 Speaker 1: toxic because we are boys. And like I'll hear from 500 00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:03,280 Speaker 1: my own kids, like there's a lot of you know, 501 00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:07,960 Speaker 1: pro femininity still out there, the girl Power initiative and whatnot. 502 00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:11,280 Speaker 1: I think that a lot of young boys growing into 503 00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:16,000 Speaker 1: men are really lost and they don't know how to 504 00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:18,439 Speaker 1: be comfortable in their own skin. I think this is 505 00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:20,760 Speaker 1: also happening with women because you look at high rates 506 00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:24,560 Speaker 1: of suicide and depression that exist out there. How do 507 00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:27,240 Speaker 1: we fix it? Because this is something that I think 508 00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:30,560 Speaker 1: is so important. There's a lot of lost souls in 509 00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:33,879 Speaker 1: the younger generation. I'm sure you see it, and I'm 510 00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:36,760 Speaker 1: sure you're trying to address it in the book, But 511 00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:39,040 Speaker 1: do you feel it? Do you feel that when you're 512 00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:42,199 Speaker 1: around the country, Senator Holly, that even for something like 513 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:44,399 Speaker 1: when you and I would have grown up, you know, 514 00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:47,800 Speaker 1: twenty thirty years ago, this didn't exist. It really feels 515 00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:51,480 Speaker 1: like men are truly under assault in this country. 516 00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:53,919 Speaker 3: One hundred percent. And I think the message that you 517 00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:57,600 Speaker 3: just articulated is one hundred percent what men, especially young 518 00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:00,520 Speaker 3: men here, which is that if you're a man toxic, 519 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:03,359 Speaker 3: If you're a man, you make the world a worse 520 00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:06,760 Speaker 3: place just by being a man. And that is incredibly 521 00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:10,119 Speaker 3: disorienting to young men, you know, who naturally come built 522 00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:13,639 Speaker 3: in with a sense of adventure, a longing to you know, 523 00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:17,200 Speaker 3: go out and discover and push boundaries and be aggressive 524 00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:19,280 Speaker 3: like that. You know, that's just listen. I mean, you've 525 00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:21,320 Speaker 3: got you've got boys. I've got boys like this is 526 00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:23,600 Speaker 3: how boys are. And when they're told from the time 527 00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:26,479 Speaker 3: they're little, that's a problem. You're a problem. You need 528 00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:30,160 Speaker 3: to stop that. It is. It profoundly disoriented and disorienting 529 00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:32,960 Speaker 3: to them. So how do we change that? I think 530 00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:36,080 Speaker 3: part of the answer is we try and tell good stories, 531 00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:38,040 Speaker 3: recover role models. This is what I try to do 532 00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:41,160 Speaker 3: with the book. I tell stories from my own life, coaches, 533 00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:45,160 Speaker 3: mentors who are significant to me, from American history, from 534 00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:47,720 Speaker 3: the Bible. What does it look like to be a 535 00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:50,399 Speaker 3: good strong man? And I think we can hold up 536 00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:53,400 Speaker 3: those role models for young men today and say, look here, 537 00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:55,760 Speaker 3: this is what it looks like. It's good to be 538 00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:58,199 Speaker 3: a man. It's good to have ambition, it's good to 539 00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:01,600 Speaker 3: want to be strong. Channel them in service to others, 540 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:03,680 Speaker 3: and then you've got the recipe to really make a 541 00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:04,679 Speaker 3: difference with your life. 542 00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:09,240 Speaker 2: The book is Manhood, the Masculine Virtues American Needs. Senator 543 00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:11,000 Speaker 2: Josh Holly, thanks so much for being with us. 544 00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:12,600 Speaker 3: Thank you for having me. 545 00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:16,840 Speaker 2: There's a lot of momentous life changing decisions going on 546 00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:20,320 Speaker 2: at each of the Preborn Network of clinics nationwide every day. 547 00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:24,160 Speaker 2: Take caitlin circumstances as just one example. She was adamant 548 00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:26,760 Speaker 2: about getting an abortion. She told their counselor, I'm not 549 00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:29,000 Speaker 2: sure who the father is, but it doesn't matter. There 550 00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:31,040 Speaker 2: is nobody in my life who thinks I should have 551 00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:34,320 Speaker 2: this baby. Caitlyn had already had two abortions and a 552 00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:38,520 Speaker 2: history of a history of drug abuse and alcohol. 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Catch up on any part 571 00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:41,000 Speaker 1: of the show you. 572 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:41,680 Speaker 3: Might have missed. 573 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:45,360 Speaker 1: Find every podcast as they're released, then listen fine the 574 00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:46,520 Speaker 1: Clay and Buck app in. 575 00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:47,360 Speaker 3: Your app store and. 576 00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:50,320 Speaker 1: Make it part of your day. Welcome back. In final 577 00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:54,440 Speaker 1: segments of the week, we appreciate all of you hanging 578 00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:58,560 Speaker 1: out with us all week long, almost completed fifteen hours. 579 00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:01,240 Speaker 1: We have a great deal of fun with you as 580 00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:04,040 Speaker 1: always and have continued this week. Encourage you to go 581 00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:06,920 Speaker 1: subscribe to the podcast Search out my name Clay Travis 582 00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:11,480 Speaker 1: buck Sexton. Lots of unique podcast offerings that will not 583 00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:15,400 Speaker 1: be available elsewhere, and that is partly due to the 584 00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:21,320 Speaker 1: hard work of our esteemed producer Ali, who is right now, 585 00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:26,000 Speaker 1: I believe in the air en route to Los Angeles, 586 00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:31,080 Speaker 1: Buck where she is set to receive a Gracie Award 587 00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:34,040 Speaker 1: from the Alliance for Women. And I may not get 588 00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:39,320 Speaker 1: all of that terminate terminology correct, but for her leadership 589 00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:42,880 Speaker 1: on this show, she has won an award. She is 590 00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:47,200 Speaker 1: the executive producer of this program. She is a badass 591 00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:50,240 Speaker 1: and we are very happy to have her working on 592 00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:53,040 Speaker 1: the program. She was with Rush for what twenty year? 593 00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:56,560 Speaker 1: Over twenty years yeah, before she started with us. She's 594 00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:59,280 Speaker 1: been with us for two years now. And I know 595 00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:01,200 Speaker 1: many of you and the show and if you do, 596 00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:04,480 Speaker 1: part of the reason why is because of producer Ali, 597 00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:08,480 Speaker 1: and she is getting an award well deserved for women's 598 00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:12,360 Speaker 1: achievement in media. The Gracie Awards going on in Los Angeles. 599 00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:15,720 Speaker 1: So credit to Ali. That is awesome for her and 600 00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:18,400 Speaker 1: we are very proud of her for getting that achievement. 601 00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:22,040 Speaker 2: I have an important update to another story for you, Clay. Yes, 602 00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:27,120 Speaker 2: the royals, Harry and Meghan. I guess they're not royals anymore, 603 00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:32,240 Speaker 2: but they kind of are. The car chase, apparently, according 604 00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:37,320 Speaker 2: to the New York Post, here happened because Harry and Meghan, 605 00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:42,360 Speaker 2: we're too cheap to pay for the hotel at the 606 00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:45,440 Speaker 2: This is the Carlisle Hotel on the Upper East Side 607 00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:49,400 Speaker 2: of Manhattan, very swanky place, and they didn't want to 608 00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:54,480 Speaker 2: pay for it without getting a special discount, and so 609 00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:58,200 Speaker 2: then they had to leave the hotel, and that is 610 00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:01,120 Speaker 2: where what I'm sure is just a low speed chase 611 00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:05,479 Speaker 2: of paparazzi commenced. Did you see the memes though, that 612 00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:10,400 Speaker 2: we're out there about them chasing the paparazzi, about how 613 00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:12,840 Speaker 2: they don't want to be chased, that they chase the 614 00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:14,920 Speaker 2: paparazzi around, saying stop chasing us. 615 00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:18,520 Speaker 1: I just come back to you lived in New York City, 616 00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:21,400 Speaker 1: Your whole life you're born and raised. I was walking 617 00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:23,200 Speaker 1: down the street to the studio today because I've been 618 00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:26,960 Speaker 1: up here for Fox News television hits the last three days. Buck. 619 00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:31,880 Speaker 1: I just look around and if there had truly been 620 00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:36,520 Speaker 1: a high speed chase, there are video cameras on virtually 621 00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:40,200 Speaker 1: every building in New York City. This would be a 622 00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:43,840 Speaker 1: really interesting video. TMZ would have had it up. There 623 00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:46,360 Speaker 1: would have been a great deal of interest. This supposedly 624 00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:50,120 Speaker 1: happened on Tuesday night. We're now to Friday afternoon, and 625 00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:52,680 Speaker 1: to my knowledge, there has been zero video to e 626 00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:58,160 Speaker 1: merge of this actual chase going on. Missus crazy, and 627 00:32:58,320 --> 00:32:59,880 Speaker 1: I think it just comes back. I said this last 628 00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:02,600 Speaker 1: night we were talking. We had a caller talking about 629 00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:05,440 Speaker 1: I was on with Gutfeld. Jimmy Faylis set in as 630 00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:08,080 Speaker 1: a guest host. He did a great job, and I 631 00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:12,600 Speaker 1: would just reiterate this. If you're in a relationship and 632 00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:16,160 Speaker 1: someone tries to pull you away from your family and 633 00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:20,440 Speaker 1: friends as a precondition to be in that relationship, unless 634 00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:24,840 Speaker 1: your family and friends are truly awful, there is something 635 00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:28,000 Speaker 1: controlling going on there. Get out of that relationship. 636 00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:30,800 Speaker 2: This is the basis for Culton doctrination. Yeah, it's one 637 00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:33,920 Speaker 2: of the most and most common and most essential steps 638 00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:36,480 Speaker 2: is to bring somebody in and then to cut them 639 00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:39,120 Speaker 2: off from the other relationships in their life, because that 640 00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:43,240 Speaker 2: gives them, that gives them contacts, that gives them historical perspective, 641 00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:48,160 Speaker 2: it gives them outside ideas, support, et cetera. And you know, 642 00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:51,160 Speaker 2: you can join. He's apparently joined the one woman cult 643 00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:54,680 Speaker 2: of Megan and it's not it's not going well for him. 644 00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:58,800 Speaker 2: So I know it's it's funny because somehow, and Clay 645 00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:00,880 Speaker 2: points U out to me, and it is I sit 646 00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:03,480 Speaker 2: here and I legitimately don't care about the royal family, 647 00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:07,080 Speaker 2: and yet I'm forced to. I have no choice because 648 00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:09,560 Speaker 2: the biggest newspapers, the biggest news sites in the world 649 00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:13,399 Speaker 2: will cover them because people click on it. Yeah, it's 650 00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:17,759 Speaker 2: really amazing. People must they must click on it, you know, 651 00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:20,880 Speaker 2: the same way that the Daily Mail of the Post 652 00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:25,400 Speaker 2: if there's a story about a woman who is very attractive, 653 00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:28,399 Speaker 2: and they could put a skimpy photo of the very 654 00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:33,440 Speaker 2: attractive woman up there. It's not exactly Edward Murrow level journalism, 655 00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:35,799 Speaker 2: but who cares. Everyone's going to click on it, and 656 00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:39,120 Speaker 2: that's how you pay the bills. That's Harry and Megan. 657 00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:39,840 Speaker 1: For some reason. 658 00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:42,560 Speaker 2: I think it's because they've now become figures that are 659 00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:45,600 Speaker 2: both loved by someone hated by others, and so then 660 00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:48,319 Speaker 2: you get the double the double dip effect if you've 661 00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:51,200 Speaker 2: got two different groups that will click on these stories. 662 00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:54,120 Speaker 1: But yeah, the south Park is still the best thing 663 00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:57,120 Speaker 1: of I still laugh about. I still laugh about when 664 00:34:57,120 --> 00:34:59,920 Speaker 1: Harry presses himself up against the win. 665 00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:02,280 Speaker 4: For those of you who have seen the south Park 666 00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:06,560 Speaker 4: episode about how they happen, they're playing drums in their 667 00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:09,879 Speaker 4: front yard on the We Want Privacy tour and they're 668 00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:10,720 Speaker 4: banging the drums. 669 00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:14,839 Speaker 1: Sat, Wait, what privacy? Yeah. I used to buck before 670 00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:18,840 Speaker 1: I ran a media company. I would sometimes see stories 671 00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:20,080 Speaker 1: and I'd be like, yeah, and you know, I know 672 00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:21,520 Speaker 1: what you're talking about. I'll give you an example in 673 00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:24,239 Speaker 1: the world of sports, will Brett Farv retire or not? 674 00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:27,440 Speaker 1: Like you know, fifteen years ago and we got a 675 00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:30,200 Speaker 1: lot of listeners in Wisconsin who will remember this? The 676 00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:33,560 Speaker 1: Willie or won'ty retire? Brett Farvre story I thought was 677 00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:36,160 Speaker 1: one of the most overplayed stories in the history of sports. 678 00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:39,400 Speaker 1: And then I saw the data, and the data reflected 679 00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:42,200 Speaker 1: that every sports fan just about who complained about the 680 00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:45,200 Speaker 1: Brett Farvre story clicked on the Brett Farvre story. And 681 00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:49,799 Speaker 1: so when you complain about the stories that people cover 682 00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:53,720 Speaker 1: on the Internet, it's almost always a function that people 683 00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:57,239 Speaker 1: are clicking on them like crazy, because the Internet is 684 00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:00,640 Speaker 1: a data driven environment and the bus this in many 685 00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:04,640 Speaker 1: ways is imperative that you care about a story. So 686 00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:07,239 Speaker 1: a lot of people. There's a great book I think 687 00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:11,040 Speaker 1: it's called Everybody Lies, and it's basically dives into the 688 00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:16,760 Speaker 1: data behind the Internet and proves statistically that people overwhelmingly 689 00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:19,400 Speaker 1: lie about what they care about. Like, we'll sometimes get people, 690 00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:22,360 Speaker 1: I don't know why you're talking about this Trump DeSantis battle. 691 00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:27,439 Speaker 1: Nobody cares. I'm like, actually, everybody cares. You may not care. 692 00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:30,760 Speaker 1: Maybe you're being truthful, but your perspective is not actually 693 00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:33,840 Speaker 1: shared by most people. We talk about the things that 694 00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:37,279 Speaker 1: people are gonna care about the most, and right now 695 00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:39,560 Speaker 1: this is the season of Trump vi DeSantis. It's gonna 696 00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:40,760 Speaker 1: get even more so next week. 697 00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:43,520 Speaker 2: Check out that Clay end Buck podcast down on the 698 00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:47,520 Speaker 2: iHeart app and please subscribe to Clay Travis and Buck 699 00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:49,440 Speaker 2: Sexton show. A lot of fun stuff in there, like 700 00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:52,400 Speaker 2: the Sunday hang have a great weekend. 701 00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:54,200 Speaker 1: Everybody will talk to you on Monday.