1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:11,160 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Oh My Stars, does it 2 00:00:11,360 --> 00:00:19,360 Speaker 1: never end with this poser? This felon? Oh My Stars. 3 00:00:19,960 --> 00:00:26,880 Speaker 1: Jesse Smollett, remember him, the race hoaxer who claimed he 4 00:00:27,080 --> 00:00:30,640 Speaker 1: was attacked because he is black and gay and when 5 00:00:30,680 --> 00:00:34,559 Speaker 1: police arrived at his luxury apartment, he still had a 6 00:00:34,680 --> 00:00:39,239 Speaker 1: rope around his neck. It was all a lie. Oh 7 00:00:39,520 --> 00:00:45,800 Speaker 1: My Stars. He's getting rewarded. Special Forces, the World's Toughest 8 00:00:45,920 --> 00:00:52,640 Speaker 1: Test unveils its celebrity contestants competing in the fourth season 9 00:00:53,240 --> 00:00:58,639 Speaker 1: of the Quasi military training reality show. It's premiering on 10 00:00:58,760 --> 00:01:04,160 Speaker 1: Fox and Hulu, and fans are sick at the inclusion 11 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:11,080 Speaker 1: of the hate crime hoaxer Jesse Smollette. Oh My Stars, 12 00:01:11,959 --> 00:01:16,959 Speaker 1: with Smollette wise cracking on Instagram. It was at this 13 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:23,880 Speaker 1: moment I said I should have just done the masked singer. Well, okay, 14 00:01:24,360 --> 00:01:27,560 Speaker 1: Ike say quite often, I've seen it all, but now 15 00:01:27,800 --> 00:01:30,639 Speaker 1: I really have seen it all. I mean to see, Grace, 16 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:33,160 Speaker 1: this is Crime Stories. I want to thank you for 17 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:40,280 Speaker 1: being with us. The disgraced race hoaxer swore he was 18 00:01:40,319 --> 00:01:45,640 Speaker 1: attacked by two MAGA supporters who actually turned out to 19 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:51,920 Speaker 1: be his personal trainers. The Osendario brothers, they swear under oath. 20 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:56,080 Speaker 1: He hired them to pour bleach on him and put 21 00:01:56,080 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 1: a noose around his neck to both for his celebrity 22 00:02:01,360 --> 00:02:05,160 Speaker 1: profile and get a raise. Remember, he was a star 23 00:02:05,360 --> 00:02:08,959 Speaker 1: of the hit series Empire that came crashing down after 24 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:13,399 Speaker 1: he pulled off this stunt. Let me jog your recollection. 25 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:14,639 Speaker 1: Listen to this. 26 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:17,560 Speaker 2: You know it's two o'clock in the morning. You're going 27 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:21,079 Speaker 2: to subway. Suberia is open twenty four hours. 28 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:23,240 Speaker 3: Like people kill me when they say things like that, 29 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:25,360 Speaker 3: because it's like, the subway is open twenty four hours 30 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:27,720 Speaker 3: for a reason, so that when you're hungry at night 31 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:29,720 Speaker 3: and you ain't got no food, you go to subway 32 00:02:30,720 --> 00:02:32,600 Speaker 3: the camera and facing north. 33 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:34,960 Speaker 4: How is that my issue? It feels like. 34 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:40,800 Speaker 3: If I had said it was a Muslim or a 35 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:46,440 Speaker 3: Mexican or someone black, I feel like the doubters would 36 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:47,400 Speaker 3: have supported. 37 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:49,240 Speaker 4: Me a lot much more, a lot more. 38 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 3: And that says a lot about the place that we 39 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:54,240 Speaker 3: are in our country right now, the. 40 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:57,720 Speaker 4: Fact that we have these fear mongols, these people. 41 00:02:57,400 --> 00:03:05,480 Speaker 3: That are trying to separate us, and it's just not okay. 42 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:08,360 Speaker 3: It's just not okay. And for all of the people. 43 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:14,520 Speaker 3: The next time that you see someone report something, maybe 44 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:18,399 Speaker 3: well after the fact that it happened, and you say 45 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:22,080 Speaker 3: to them, well, why are you waiting until now? Just 46 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:24,920 Speaker 3: remember that mine was reported right away and look what 47 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:25,480 Speaker 3: has happened. 48 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:31,560 Speaker 1: You are hearing TV star Jesse Smillette talking to superstar 49 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:36,640 Speaker 1: Robin Roberts on GMA at ABC talking about people who 50 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:41,800 Speaker 1: have doubted his story that he was attacked by I 51 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:45,520 Speaker 1: believe it started as two white males. It changed at 52 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:50,120 Speaker 1: some point wearing red maga hats. I believe is how 53 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 1: the story started. That also has changed to am in 54 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:58,000 Speaker 1: the morning coming out of a subway sandwich shop. According 55 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:02,280 Speaker 1: to Jesse Smolette, every one knows him, big star on Empire. 56 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:06,520 Speaker 1: He was attacked the purpose through acid on him, put 57 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:11,080 Speaker 1: a rope around his neck. It's my understanding. He called 58 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:15,640 Speaker 1: his manager and not nine one one. When he walked 59 00:04:15,720 --> 00:04:19,880 Speaker 1: back home. He then called nine one one When police arrived, 60 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:24,880 Speaker 1: they found him sitting there and roughed up and the 61 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:30,320 Speaker 1: rope steal around his neck. What is the truth. If 62 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:32,960 Speaker 1: this is the truth, who attacked him? If it's not 63 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:38,960 Speaker 1: the truth. When he talks about his detractors dividing people, 64 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:44,760 Speaker 1: is he the one that's dividing people. And again, this 65 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:49,880 Speaker 1: is not about politics. I think all politicians lie, every 66 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:55,320 Speaker 1: single one of them. This is about a potential hoax 67 00:04:55,839 --> 00:05:00,320 Speaker 1: on police or a horrible hate crime with me an 68 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:02,920 Speaker 1: all star panel forensics expert, and boy do we need 69 00:05:02,960 --> 00:05:07,080 Speaker 1: her now. Karen Smith out of the Florida jurisdiction, renowned 70 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:13,040 Speaker 1: criminal attorney, Darryl Cohen, former prosecutor, joining me from Atlanta, Joiny, 71 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:18,360 Speaker 1: joining me from La psychoanalyst doctor Bethany Marshall, and joining 72 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:22,720 Speaker 1: me right now, crime online dot COM's Ellenclaurin e K. 73 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:27,160 Speaker 1: Let's just start at the beginning. Now, Typically when I'm 74 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:30,880 Speaker 1: hungry at two o'clock, I get something anything, usually the 75 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:33,560 Speaker 1: wrong thing, out of the fridge, eat it, and go 76 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:36,560 Speaker 1: back to sleep. All right, Usually I don't feel like 77 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:39,720 Speaker 1: getting up and even going to the fridge because I'm exhausted. 78 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:43,320 Speaker 1: But let's just start with a two am subway sandwich call. 79 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:43,800 Speaker 5: Go. 80 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:49,279 Speaker 6: Well, it does appear that Jossi Smalltt had arrived to 81 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:52,760 Speaker 6: the airport in Chicago Lake, so I don't think this 82 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:54,679 Speaker 6: was a matter of him waking up in the middle 83 00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:56,360 Speaker 6: of that and going out to the freezing cold in 84 00:05:56,440 --> 00:05:58,640 Speaker 6: the subway. It was a very cold day though, and 85 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:01,720 Speaker 6: he's he tells Polief that he's on his way home 86 00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:03,159 Speaker 6: with his subway sandwich. 87 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:07,080 Speaker 1: Wa wait wait wait wait wait wait wait, this is 88 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:09,520 Speaker 1: in Chicago, correct, that's right? 89 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:09,920 Speaker 6: Yeah? 90 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:12,560 Speaker 1: So how cold is it it? 91 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:15,760 Speaker 6: We were pretty sure it was below free temperatures. This 92 00:06:15,760 --> 00:06:17,679 Speaker 6: This was during a very very very. 93 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:18,880 Speaker 1: Cold spell in Chicago. 94 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:21,719 Speaker 6: I don't know the exact. 95 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:24,160 Speaker 1: Doctor, Bethnet. He must have been very hungry, very hungry. 96 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:28,240 Speaker 7: Indeed, his tummy must have been growling at two in 97 00:06:28,279 --> 00:06:32,000 Speaker 7: the morning, because you know, Chicago has those that windshill factor, 98 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:36,839 Speaker 7: So if it's twenty degrees out regular temperature, the wind 99 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:37,839 Speaker 7: starts blowing. 100 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:40,640 Speaker 5: Forty to fifty degree below wind chill. I did my 101 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:43,680 Speaker 5: undergraduate work there. Nobody goes out at two. 102 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:48,520 Speaker 1: See Darryl Cohen, renowned Atlanta criminal defense attorney, is gnashing 103 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:51,960 Speaker 1: his teeth and twitching his tail right now because he 104 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:54,200 Speaker 1: thinks the temp has nothing to do with any of this. 105 00:06:54,960 --> 00:06:57,320 Speaker 1: But that's why I always like to start Darryl, not 106 00:06:57,600 --> 00:07:02,600 Speaker 1: with just the temperature, but beginning. The beginning is he 107 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:06,240 Speaker 1: wakes up, according to his story, at two am, and 108 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:08,680 Speaker 1: instead of getting leftover, Pietz out of the fridge or 109 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:11,720 Speaker 1: a whole chocolate cake, or whatever the matter may be. 110 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:17,920 Speaker 1: He goes out in forty below to get a Subway sandwich. 111 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:21,640 Speaker 1: See I start right there, That's where I start the story, 112 00:07:22,360 --> 00:07:25,200 Speaker 1: and I think that's crazy. I'm not saying it didn't happen. 113 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:27,280 Speaker 1: I just think that's Craig cray. 114 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:30,520 Speaker 8: Well. I'm wondering if subway was actually open at two 115 00:07:30,520 --> 00:07:31,040 Speaker 8: in the morning. 116 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:34,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, they're twenty four hour. Yeah, I love Subway. Although 117 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:36,920 Speaker 1: I did have a mini boycott for a week after 118 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 1: Jared was, you know, busted on child porn. I guess 119 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:47,120 Speaker 1: it was their spokesperson. But long story short, Darryl Cohen, 120 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:50,240 Speaker 1: I mean, a defense attorney would argue that has absolutely 121 00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:51,560 Speaker 1: nothing to do with it. 122 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:53,760 Speaker 8: I don't think it has anything to do with it. 123 00:07:53,840 --> 00:07:55,960 Speaker 8: I think what has to do with it is did 124 00:07:56,000 --> 00:07:58,400 Speaker 8: it or did it not happen? And as far as 125 00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:00,640 Speaker 8: I can see from all of the evidence that's been 126 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:03,720 Speaker 8: presented to me, this guy is looking for a more 127 00:08:03,760 --> 00:08:07,160 Speaker 8: publicity for whatever the reason, and he is about to 128 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:07,520 Speaker 8: get it. 129 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:10,600 Speaker 1: Well, he's getting it all right, Okay, e K. Let's 130 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:13,400 Speaker 1: just go with the premise that it's true because the 131 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:17,920 Speaker 1: official the official statement from Chicago PD is he is 132 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:26,560 Speaker 1: being treated as a victim because he is a victim 133 00:08:26,760 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace. In the last hours, we 134 00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:37,920 Speaker 1: learn that Netflix is at it again, sturing their witches 135 00:08:38,120 --> 00:08:43,160 Speaker 1: cauldron with quote new evidence that the hate crime against 136 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 1: Jesse Smilett and his story quote might just be a 137 00:08:50,280 --> 00:08:58,319 Speaker 1: true story. As you will recall, soon after Smollette takes 138 00:08:58,360 --> 00:09:01,439 Speaker 1: to the airwaves describing how he was the victim of 139 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:06,760 Speaker 1: a hate crime, Chicago PD released surveillance images of the 140 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:13,520 Speaker 1: perpetrators and identify the two as also being black. They 141 00:09:13,559 --> 00:09:20,400 Speaker 1: are Nigerian American brothers. So we see the attackers performing 142 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:24,760 Speaker 1: a quote hate crime on Smolette, who is black and 143 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:29,320 Speaker 1: the purpose are black. Okay, just let that soak in 144 00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:35,800 Speaker 1: for a moment. To claim a hate crime and wrap 145 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:39,600 Speaker 1: a rope around your neck as if you were threatened 146 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:46,400 Speaker 1: with lynching. Nothing could be more incendiary in our American consciousness. 147 00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:57,200 Speaker 1: A horrible, horrible era that our country endured, all brought 148 00:09:57,240 --> 00:10:03,400 Speaker 1: to the forefront by Smolettes hoax. Then evidence came out 149 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:09,000 Speaker 1: Smollet orchestrated his own attack and paid the brothers nearly 150 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:14,080 Speaker 1: four thousand dollars. Idiot wrote a check. Yeah, idiot, wrote 151 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:20,040 Speaker 1: a check for his hate crime attack. What more do 152 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:20,480 Speaker 1: we know? 153 00:10:21,559 --> 00:10:24,720 Speaker 2: When did you because as you said, it was an 154 00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:31,080 Speaker 2: acrid account of the timeline valuable information, When did you 155 00:10:31,160 --> 00:10:34,720 Speaker 2: make that information available to the police. 156 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:38,400 Speaker 3: We gave, we had to give the phone records, which 157 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:41,280 Speaker 3: they didn't originally ask for my phone records. They asked 158 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:43,920 Speaker 3: for my phone. They wanted me to give my phone 159 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:46,280 Speaker 3: to the tech for three to four hours. 160 00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:52,080 Speaker 4: I'm sorry, but I'm not going to do that. 161 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:58,240 Speaker 3: Why Because I have private pictures and videos and numbers, 162 00:10:58,760 --> 00:11:05,040 Speaker 3: my partner's number, family's number, my castmate's number, my friend's numbers, 163 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:08,720 Speaker 3: my private emails, my private songs, my private voice memos. 164 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:10,679 Speaker 4: I don't know what that's going to be to hand 165 00:11:10,720 --> 00:11:12,640 Speaker 4: over my phone for. 166 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:17,040 Speaker 3: And honestly, by then, inaccurate, false statements had already been 167 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:17,800 Speaker 3: put out there. 168 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:23,160 Speaker 1: You are hearing our friend superstar Robin Robert said ABC's GMA, 169 00:11:23,320 --> 00:11:27,400 Speaker 1: She's awesome, and she is talking to Jesse Smolette, the 170 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:32,800 Speaker 1: Empire star Everybody Loves Empire. The Empire star who claims 171 00:11:32,840 --> 00:11:36,160 Speaker 1: that at two am in the morning in Chicago, he 172 00:11:36,400 --> 00:11:39,040 Speaker 1: decided he was hungry, goes out to Subway sandwich, gets 173 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:41,440 Speaker 1: a sandwich, and it's attacked by two guys that throw 174 00:11:41,559 --> 00:11:47,000 Speaker 1: acid on him or bleach bleach, wrap a rope around 175 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:52,000 Speaker 1: his neck, attack him for being black and homosexual. He 176 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:54,640 Speaker 1: manages to get home and call police. He says, he 177 00:11:54,679 --> 00:11:58,280 Speaker 1: calls his manager from the scene. Now, I think that 178 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:02,240 Speaker 1: is why they wanted to say, to confirm that he 179 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:05,640 Speaker 1: called his manager and not nine one one. They are 180 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:08,360 Speaker 1: being clear why they want the phone, But they want 181 00:12:08,480 --> 00:12:11,559 Speaker 1: the phone. Kara Smith, journey Me forensics expert out of Florida. 182 00:12:11,679 --> 00:12:14,880 Speaker 1: Why do they want Jesse Smollette's phone. 183 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:18,600 Speaker 9: Listen, when you're dealing with an alleged victim or alleged perpetrators, 184 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:21,240 Speaker 9: the best way now in the world of social media 185 00:12:21,280 --> 00:12:24,560 Speaker 9: and texting is to get the phone of the victim. 186 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:28,040 Speaker 9: You can look at text messages and Instagram and Facebook 187 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:32,200 Speaker 9: and Twitter and all those things, and text messages especially Listen, 188 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:36,680 Speaker 9: if nothing happened, and I understand, you know, the privacy thing, 189 00:12:36,760 --> 00:12:39,000 Speaker 9: and there's phone numbers and emails and whatever that he 190 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:42,600 Speaker 9: don't want released. But the police they're not going to 191 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:45,200 Speaker 9: go into that. That's not their interests. Their interest is 192 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:51,480 Speaker 9: looking at communications between Jesse Smollett and these other alleged perpetrators, 193 00:12:51,520 --> 00:12:54,720 Speaker 9: if there was any, if there was any, the phone 194 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:56,560 Speaker 9: call that he made to his manager, what time did 195 00:12:56,559 --> 00:12:58,560 Speaker 9: he make it, where did he make it from. All 196 00:12:58,640 --> 00:13:00,559 Speaker 9: of those questions have to be answered, and they have 197 00:13:00,679 --> 00:13:03,960 Speaker 9: to have the device. They can't just take somebody's word 198 00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:06,679 Speaker 9: for it. That's not how life works anymore. 199 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:10,840 Speaker 1: Not anymore. Gerald Cohen, Atlanta, criminal defense attorney, former prosecutor, 200 00:13:10,880 --> 00:13:14,000 Speaker 1: felony prosecutor in the jurisdiction where I also prosecuted. I 201 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:17,800 Speaker 1: just missed him, Darryl. At the time when we were 202 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:21,240 Speaker 1: when I first started prosecuting, we did not have DNA, 203 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:24,199 Speaker 1: we did not have cell phone pinging. We did it 204 00:13:24,280 --> 00:13:28,680 Speaker 1: old school, okay, and we did it now with the 205 00:13:28,760 --> 00:13:35,320 Speaker 1: advent of cell phone triangulation GPS tracking. When he is 206 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:40,320 Speaker 1: saying that he won't hand his phone over, that is 207 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:43,040 Speaker 1: a problem to me. I don't have a problem with 208 00:13:43,080 --> 00:13:45,680 Speaker 1: anything else he's saying. But when he says fine, you 209 00:13:45,679 --> 00:13:47,520 Speaker 1: know what, I don't have to explain why he's hungry 210 00:13:47,559 --> 00:13:50,440 Speaker 1: at two am or goes out in sub zero that 211 00:13:50,880 --> 00:13:54,520 Speaker 1: below freezing. That's a personal decision. But when you don't 212 00:13:54,520 --> 00:13:57,600 Speaker 1: hand your phone over to cops, that is a big 213 00:13:58,080 --> 00:14:02,360 Speaker 1: red flag to with your private communications, if you have 214 00:14:02,520 --> 00:14:07,440 Speaker 1: had bleach poured on, you, beaten up, have a rope 215 00:14:07,520 --> 00:14:10,880 Speaker 1: tied around your neck out on the street, you're handing 216 00:14:10,880 --> 00:14:14,320 Speaker 1: your phone over because you want those people caught, right, 217 00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:17,280 Speaker 1: I mean, have I lost my mind on that one thing, Darryl. 218 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:20,840 Speaker 8: Well, Nancy, I'm having a very big problem with finding 219 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:23,400 Speaker 8: out why he would call his manager. So the last 220 00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:26,520 Speaker 8: time I checked, was not a law enforcement person, was 221 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:30,240 Speaker 8: not a bodyguard. Why would you not call the police 222 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:33,520 Speaker 8: any of us? Any of us, whether we're an actor, 223 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:36,560 Speaker 8: whether we're a lawyer, whether an Indian chief, whatever we 224 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:39,040 Speaker 8: may be, we are going to call the police if 225 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:42,040 Speaker 8: something bad happens. So, yeah, I've got a real problem 226 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:46,000 Speaker 8: with him not turning over his phone. This guy is Jesse, 227 00:14:46,160 --> 00:14:50,280 Speaker 8: but he thinks he's Jesse James. He is having you 228 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:52,440 Speaker 8: work right now. He's having a real problem. 229 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:54,960 Speaker 1: You probably stand up all night, law thank you having 230 00:14:54,960 --> 00:14:58,360 Speaker 1: it coming up with that. He's not Jesse, he's Jesse James. Okay, 231 00:14:58,640 --> 00:15:00,160 Speaker 1: you know what, I'm going to just pass over with 232 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:03,920 Speaker 1: that one. You know it's a big deal to me, Darryl. 233 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:07,600 Speaker 1: And I know you're a famous defense attorney now, but 234 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:12,200 Speaker 1: in my mind, you'll always be an incredible felony prosecutor 235 00:15:12,760 --> 00:15:15,120 Speaker 1: because you could get a jury eating out of your hand. 236 00:15:15,560 --> 00:15:18,160 Speaker 1: You are always prepared. You need the law, you need 237 00:15:18,160 --> 00:15:21,000 Speaker 1: the facts. You knew it all when you went in 238 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:24,680 Speaker 1: front of a jury. And in this case, when you 239 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:28,120 Speaker 1: have a victim that does not cooperate with police, that 240 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:30,880 Speaker 1: is a problem. I don't care who he is. I 241 00:15:30,880 --> 00:15:34,720 Speaker 1: don't care who he sleeps with. I could not care less. 242 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:40,240 Speaker 1: I don't care. But if you don't cooperate with police, 243 00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:45,160 Speaker 1: then that is a problem with me. What's your problem. 244 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:48,200 Speaker 8: There's a problem with me as well. I've got another 245 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:50,760 Speaker 8: problem with that. How in the world in the middle 246 00:15:50,800 --> 00:15:54,640 Speaker 8: of the night, two am, nine degrees minus nine degrees, 247 00:15:54,680 --> 00:16:00,000 Speaker 8: it's about the same frozen do you get mugged by 248 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:03,880 Speaker 8: two people who know you're obviously black, but you're homosexual? 249 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:08,480 Speaker 1: Really and you well, because he's a famous thing TV star. 250 00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:13,400 Speaker 1: So here here's the thing. This is another wrinkle in this. 251 00:16:13,520 --> 00:16:16,360 Speaker 1: To ellenk Lauren crime online dot Com, hold on, I'm 252 00:16:16,360 --> 00:16:19,400 Speaker 1: going to write this down. Here's the thing. So, if 253 00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:24,800 Speaker 1: they were targeting Jesse Smollette, Okay, hold on, they were 254 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:28,960 Speaker 1: targeting him and this was a hate crime, how did 255 00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:34,320 Speaker 1: they know to be outside the subway at to am 256 00:16:34,680 --> 00:16:37,960 Speaker 1: with bleach and rope or are they just hanging around 257 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:40,600 Speaker 1: to get a sandwich and they happen to have bleach 258 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:45,600 Speaker 1: and rope with them If they were targeting Jesse Smollette, 259 00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:50,640 Speaker 1: e kay, were they casing out his apartment? Why were 260 00:16:50,680 --> 00:16:54,480 Speaker 1: they there at two am? And I haven't even touched 261 00:16:54,560 --> 00:16:59,440 Speaker 1: on these two guys, these two Nigerian guys that work 262 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:05,439 Speaker 1: out in his apartment building Jim that know him, that 263 00:17:05,560 --> 00:17:08,760 Speaker 1: have been extras on the set of Empire, or at 264 00:17:08,840 --> 00:17:12,760 Speaker 1: least one of them has that have been questioned and 265 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:17,280 Speaker 1: released and allegedly are now saying they were paid to 266 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:19,520 Speaker 1: do the attack. But first of all, I'm going to 267 00:17:19,520 --> 00:17:24,600 Speaker 1: get to the theory, Ellen Calaurin, So the perps were 268 00:17:25,080 --> 00:17:28,040 Speaker 1: what waiting outside the subway sandwich shop for him? I mean, 269 00:17:28,040 --> 00:17:31,000 Speaker 1: what's the theory here? How did they know he was 270 00:17:31,040 --> 00:17:33,840 Speaker 1: going to be getting a sandwich at two am? If 271 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:36,159 Speaker 1: he was the one targeted for a hate crime? 272 00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:39,040 Speaker 6: Well, Nancy, they may have not known that he was 273 00:17:39,080 --> 00:17:42,080 Speaker 6: going to get a sandwich at two am. But Jesse 274 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:45,159 Speaker 6: has an un Instagram account and he's a very active 275 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:48,439 Speaker 6: social media user, and we learned over the weekend, that 276 00:17:48,600 --> 00:17:51,399 Speaker 6: he had been in New York during the previous days 277 00:17:51,680 --> 00:17:55,200 Speaker 6: and he was on he had slowed back to Chicago 278 00:17:55,840 --> 00:17:58,520 Speaker 6: that night, but his flight was the leaded and he 279 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:01,679 Speaker 6: came in much later than ext and he posted a 280 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:05,680 Speaker 6: couple of Instagram stories on his Instagram. 281 00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:07,440 Speaker 1: Account talking about how. 282 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:08,400 Speaker 9: His flight was delayed. 283 00:18:08,760 --> 00:18:11,800 Speaker 6: So if someone who had to have had a little 284 00:18:11,800 --> 00:18:15,120 Speaker 6: bit of information about what was going on with him 285 00:18:15,119 --> 00:18:17,880 Speaker 6: that day, if they wanted to track his movements, they 286 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:21,040 Speaker 6: could to a certain degree through his social media activity. 287 00:18:21,560 --> 00:18:25,800 Speaker 1: Okay, let me ask you this eka regarding Jesse Smilette. 288 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:29,160 Speaker 1: Now that may make it make more sense that he 289 00:18:29,240 --> 00:18:33,399 Speaker 1: was out at two am. He was his flight so delayed, 290 00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:35,640 Speaker 1: he was just getting home from the airport at say 291 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:39,199 Speaker 1: one o'clock and hadn't eaten. Do we know the timing 292 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:43,879 Speaker 1: of that, because that makes although the Chicago airport is 293 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:46,160 Speaker 1: full of food, but I don't know if it would 294 00:18:46,160 --> 00:18:48,320 Speaker 1: be open, the food stands would be opened that late 295 00:18:48,359 --> 00:18:50,280 Speaker 1: at night. So if he gets off a plane from 296 00:18:50,320 --> 00:18:53,800 Speaker 1: New York and he gets in midnight, gets to his 297 00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:57,280 Speaker 1: apartment at one, he may very well be hungry. And 298 00:18:57,359 --> 00:19:01,920 Speaker 1: there is a theory out there that that is how 299 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:08,679 Speaker 1: he communicated to set up the attack through posting, you know, Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, 300 00:19:09,119 --> 00:19:13,480 Speaker 1: that these two brothers could actually see his movements by 301 00:19:13,520 --> 00:19:16,199 Speaker 1: looking at his Facebook or Instagram. So ek, do we 302 00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:17,760 Speaker 1: know what time he got in from his flight? 303 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:21,679 Speaker 6: I don't know exactly what time he landed or go 304 00:19:21,800 --> 00:19:25,040 Speaker 6: back to his apartment, but it does We don't have 305 00:19:25,119 --> 00:19:28,199 Speaker 6: a lot of very clear information at all, Nancy, But 306 00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:30,960 Speaker 6: it does seem as though it's likely that he did 307 00:19:31,040 --> 00:19:32,760 Speaker 6: stop off at his apartment first. 308 00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:33,480 Speaker 1: But like you. 309 00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:37,440 Speaker 6: Said, he has been away the middle of the night. 310 00:19:37,520 --> 00:19:40,480 Speaker 6: He probably hasn't eaten. He's on the plate for longer 311 00:19:40,520 --> 00:19:41,160 Speaker 6: than accepted. 312 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:46,280 Speaker 1: The food Court put in the toon crime Stories with 313 00:19:46,440 --> 00:19:57,400 Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. Well, okay, remember another hoaxer, Anna Delvy aka 314 00:19:57,440 --> 00:20:00,800 Speaker 1: Anna Sorkin, who ripped off her friends to nearly one 315 00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:03,679 Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars and then ended up on Dancing with 316 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:08,000 Speaker 1: the Stars. She'd be dazzled her GPS ankle monitor and 317 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:12,520 Speaker 1: then whined they Dancing with the Stars took advantage of her. 318 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:21,040 Speaker 1: I mean, really, now, this Jesse Smolette, the infamous race hoaxer, 319 00:20:21,320 --> 00:20:24,800 Speaker 1: the former star of Empire. He brought that crashing down 320 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:29,400 Speaker 1: is going to star on Special Forces World's Toughest Test 321 00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:35,040 Speaker 1: to air on Fox and Hulu. Have they lost their mind? 322 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:38,320 Speaker 3: I think that what people need to hear is just 323 00:20:38,359 --> 00:20:44,280 Speaker 3: the truth. It's just the truth, because everybody has their 324 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:49,679 Speaker 3: own idea. Some are healing and some are hurtful. But 325 00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:56,200 Speaker 3: I just want young people, young members of the LGBTQ community, 326 00:20:56,400 --> 00:21:01,320 Speaker 3: young black children, to know how strong that they are, 327 00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:04,959 Speaker 3: to know the power that they hold in their little pinky. 328 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:08,440 Speaker 10: It's been two weeks since that night left actor Jesse 329 00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:12,760 Speaker 10: Smolette bruised but not broken, and he's still processing the 330 00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:13,639 Speaker 10: raw motions. 331 00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:17,040 Speaker 4: Have you ever been threatened before? Yeah? 332 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:21,199 Speaker 3: I get threatened all the time on Twitter and Instagram 333 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:22,760 Speaker 3: and dms and things like that. 334 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:26,639 Speaker 4: It's like, but you know, I'm a public figure. 335 00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:37,080 Speaker 3: I'm very outspoken, sometimes maybe too outspoken, but it's who 336 00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:41,119 Speaker 3: I am, you know, So I get the idea of 337 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:44,119 Speaker 3: pissing people off, that you're going to rub people the 338 00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:44,720 Speaker 3: wrong way. 339 00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:48,119 Speaker 10: In fact, the week before the attack, police confirm a 340 00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:50,919 Speaker 10: letter was sent to the Fox studio in Chicago with 341 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:55,240 Speaker 10: threatening language, at least with powdery substance, likely tailanol. 342 00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:58,159 Speaker 2: Do you think there's a link between the letter and 343 00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:01,639 Speaker 2: the attack. And you did mention it to the police 344 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:02,880 Speaker 2: right away out of the letter. 345 00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:08,359 Speaker 3: Absolutely, just because on the letter it had a stick 346 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:10,879 Speaker 3: figure hanging from a tree with a gun pointing towards it, 347 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:13,480 Speaker 3: with the words that said small at Jesse, you will 348 00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:17,040 Speaker 3: die black. There was no address. Put the return address 349 00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:21,440 Speaker 3: it in big red, you know, like caps, maga. Did 350 00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:22,240 Speaker 3: I make that up too? 351 00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:26,800 Speaker 1: You are hearing our friend Robin Roberts at ABC'SGMA speaking 352 00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:30,119 Speaker 1: with Empire star Jesse Smillett. And right now we know 353 00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:33,000 Speaker 1: that the police investigation is going on. Police chief has 354 00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:37,600 Speaker 1: confirmed the two guys that allegedly are identified in the 355 00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:42,879 Speaker 1: video that police believe committed the act the attack on 356 00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:49,400 Speaker 1: Jesse Smollett have been apprehended, questioned and released with no charges. 357 00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:54,720 Speaker 1: What about these letters, Ellen Calaurin, What are the letters 358 00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:58,879 Speaker 1: that he claims he got leading up to this attack? 359 00:22:59,000 --> 00:22:59,879 Speaker 1: Threatening letter? 360 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:04,359 Speaker 6: Yes, yes, one exactly one week before the night of 361 00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:09,480 Speaker 6: the alleged assault, a letter was sent to the studio 362 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:12,479 Speaker 6: where he filmed the show Empire in Chicago, and it 363 00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:19,240 Speaker 6: contained direct death threats, homophobic and racist language. There's two 364 00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:22,639 Speaker 6: things about the letter that are coming up more recently 365 00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:25,639 Speaker 6: in the discussion around this case. One of those is 366 00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:30,040 Speaker 6: that some unidentified forces who have access to the set 367 00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:34,400 Speaker 6: and may even work with Jesse, have told CBS News 368 00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:38,080 Speaker 6: that he was unhappy about the response to the letter 369 00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:40,159 Speaker 6: and the threat that he got, that he felt that 370 00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:44,000 Speaker 6: there wasn't it wasn't taken seriously enough, and that he 371 00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:48,240 Speaker 6: was angry, and that they're questioning did he set up 372 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:53,480 Speaker 6: this orchestrate this purported hate crime as retaliation for that. 373 00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:57,280 Speaker 6: The other thing that we're learning, and again these are 374 00:23:57,320 --> 00:24:00,840 Speaker 6: not official law enforcement statements, These are unidentified sources. You're 375 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:03,919 Speaker 6: talking to New Thought lists. But we're learning that the 376 00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:06,159 Speaker 6: letter was made out of and you can see it 377 00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:06,880 Speaker 6: in the photos. 378 00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:08,840 Speaker 9: The letter was written sort of like. 379 00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:12,600 Speaker 6: A ransom type of letter with cutout letters from a magazine. 380 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:17,520 Speaker 6: And we're hearing that when investigators went and raided the 381 00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:20,520 Speaker 6: apartment of these two brothers who have been identified as 382 00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:24,720 Speaker 6: possibly involved in this attack, they took away a magazine. 383 00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:27,720 Speaker 1: Wait a minute, Wait a minute, doctor Bethany Marshall, Are 384 00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:31,720 Speaker 1: these threat letters like the kinds you see on Agatha 385 00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:36,639 Speaker 1: Christie and erkil Pirot, Like in the movies where you 386 00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:40,840 Speaker 1: cut out letters from the newspaper and you stick them 387 00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:45,000 Speaker 1: on a piece of paper instead of divulging your handwriting. 388 00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:49,480 Speaker 1: And also we are learning for sure that in a 389 00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:53,200 Speaker 1: follow up visit by investigators, Smolette says, the attackers mentioned 390 00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:57,679 Speaker 1: something about this is Maga country, which relates back to 391 00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:02,880 Speaker 1: the Trump campaign. Right, So the whole situation is fluid, 392 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:06,160 Speaker 1: but I can tell you this. Remember the runaway bride 393 00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:10,359 Speaker 1: when she lied about getting kidnapped, she got to cut 394 00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:13,359 Speaker 1: grass and do community service out in the public. I 395 00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:17,760 Speaker 1: forgot how long other people have done jail time, hard 396 00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:21,840 Speaker 1: jail time for bringing police in on a hoax of 397 00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:26,160 Speaker 1: an investigation, because who knows what crimes were really happening 398 00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:29,560 Speaker 1: at the time of a hoax, and instead of dealing 399 00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:33,679 Speaker 1: with the real crime, cops are out spending thousands and 400 00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:37,199 Speaker 1: thousands of dollars and man hours trying to solve a 401 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:41,199 Speaker 1: fake call. And this one, if it is fake, is 402 00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:44,640 Speaker 1: a whopper. Now what do you make Dr Bethany Marshall 403 00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:49,240 Speaker 1: the studio, the Empire Studio had assigned him bodyguards, we've 404 00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:53,719 Speaker 1: been told, but according to sources, he was unhappy with 405 00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:56,280 Speaker 1: the reaction to the letters. Does that mean what they 406 00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:58,359 Speaker 1: didn't get enough attention? What does that mean to you? 407 00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:02,840 Speaker 5: Doctor Bethany, Well, you were mentioning the runaway bride and 408 00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:05,879 Speaker 5: these crimes where we find out it's a hoax in 409 00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:07,760 Speaker 5: the end. And I don't know if this was a 410 00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:11,280 Speaker 5: hoax or not. But in forensic interviews, one of the 411 00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:14,800 Speaker 5: things we're trained to do with crime victims is to 412 00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:19,159 Speaker 5: find out if they're doing something called malingering. MA Lingering 413 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:23,639 Speaker 5: is when you make up medical symptoms or you exaggerate 414 00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:28,240 Speaker 5: medical symptoms for some external reward. It's that simple. Now, 415 00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:33,320 Speaker 5: in twenty percent of criminal cases, lingering is involved in 416 00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:36,680 Speaker 5: some way, twenty percent of PI cases, as you can imagine, 417 00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:41,080 Speaker 5: MA lingering, thirty percent of disability cases. The sicker I am, 418 00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:43,600 Speaker 5: the more I'm going to get some kind of reward 419 00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:48,680 Speaker 5: or attention or I'm going to get out of some consequence, 420 00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:50,440 Speaker 5: like you're not going to send me to jail, I'm 421 00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:52,359 Speaker 5: not going to have to go to the military. So 422 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:56,280 Speaker 5: what's so interesting to me about this story is the 423 00:26:57,160 --> 00:27:01,280 Speaker 5: exaggerate two aspects, the exaggerated name, mature of his symptoms. 424 00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:05,600 Speaker 5: He's sitting on the sidewalk, bleach on his clothing, the 425 00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:08,240 Speaker 5: rope around his neck. Wouldn't you pull a rope off? No, 426 00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:11,480 Speaker 5: he's sitting there, you know, with the clear sign that 427 00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:15,560 Speaker 5: he's been accosted. He talks about being black, gay, LGBTQ, 428 00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:18,800 Speaker 5: anything that could paint him in a sympathetic light he 429 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:23,040 Speaker 5: keeps putting out there. The second aspect is the fuzzy 430 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:28,320 Speaker 5: nature of the timeline. When somebody malingers, they usually obstruct 431 00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:31,919 Speaker 5: the investigation process. They do not want the investigators to 432 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:34,800 Speaker 5: know clearly what happens. So, if I have a patient 433 00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:37,600 Speaker 5: and my practice, who's malingering? You know, doctor Marshall, I was, 434 00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:40,159 Speaker 5: I don't know. My boss keeps yelling at me. I 435 00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:42,120 Speaker 5: want to bring a lawsuit, you know. I say, well, 436 00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:43,200 Speaker 5: what did your boss say? 437 00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:43,879 Speaker 1: Well, I don't know. 438 00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:48,240 Speaker 5: I just can't remember. So malingering is associated with very 439 00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:48,880 Speaker 5: fuzzy dka. 440 00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:52,560 Speaker 1: So is it true, Eka ellencalorincrimal line dot Com investigative 441 00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:55,639 Speaker 1: reporter that small d had been in New York to 442 00:27:55,760 --> 00:28:00,160 Speaker 1: audition for a role in the play that is very 443 00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:06,000 Speaker 1: oddly similar to his alleged attack. What do we know 444 00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:12,239 Speaker 1: about the play for which he was auditioning? He was 445 00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:12,960 Speaker 1: at a reading. 446 00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:14,080 Speaker 9: Actually it was an audition. 447 00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:16,520 Speaker 6: I believe he's already part of the cast, but that's 448 00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:18,320 Speaker 6: what he was doing in New York. He was flying 449 00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:21,120 Speaker 6: back to He was flying back to Chicago from New York, 450 00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:23,159 Speaker 6: and he was in New York because he was doing 451 00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:24,680 Speaker 6: a reading of. 452 00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:25,760 Speaker 9: The script of this play. 453 00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:30,160 Speaker 6: And the character in the play is a person of color. 454 00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:32,680 Speaker 6: It's a gay, it's a celebrity, a sports star in 455 00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:35,439 Speaker 6: the cave in the case of the fictional character. But 456 00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:40,200 Speaker 6: he is someone who the character is someone who has 457 00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:43,600 Speaker 6: been the victim of hate crimes that, according to the 458 00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:47,440 Speaker 6: reports that we're reading, the have some similarities in the 459 00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:51,960 Speaker 6: crime that was allegedly committed against him, just that the 460 00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:54,880 Speaker 6: within hours of him arriving back to Chicago for. 461 00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:58,800 Speaker 1: The same wordying the same slurs, awful slurs. If this 462 00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:02,800 Speaker 1: is true, it is a hate crime. I'm learning also 463 00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:07,440 Speaker 1: Darryl Cohen, Atlanta criminal defense attorney, former prosecutor in felony 464 00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:12,280 Speaker 1: court that he Smolette did not call police. It was 465 00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:15,320 Speaker 1: a close associate about forty minutes after the attack, according 466 00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:17,400 Speaker 1: to the New York Times, and I think that was 467 00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:20,960 Speaker 1: his manager. He did not call police. And when Cox 468 00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:23,720 Speaker 1: got to his place, he still was wearing the rope 469 00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:24,400 Speaker 1: around his neck. 470 00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:29,120 Speaker 8: Help me, well, I can help you, Nancy, because it 471 00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:32,360 Speaker 8: sounds to me like a setup. Did you also pay 472 00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:36,720 Speaker 8: attention to his voice. This is a guy that's reading 473 00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:39,880 Speaker 8: a script. This is not someone who's upset. This is 474 00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:43,600 Speaker 8: not someone who's been attacked. If you're attacked, you're not 475 00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:47,440 Speaker 8: going to be calm and gentle. Add that to the cocktail. 476 00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:50,120 Speaker 8: Add the fact that he's not giving his phone to 477 00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:54,880 Speaker 8: the police to the cocktail. Add the fact that all 478 00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:57,640 Speaker 8: he can do is say, oh my gosh, I was 479 00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:01,040 Speaker 8: attacked and this is terrible as a noose around his 480 00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:05,840 Speaker 8: neck forty minutes later. Really, this is a guy who 481 00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:12,080 Speaker 8: was look many times, Nancy, people equate stars on television 482 00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:16,960 Speaker 8: or on the big screen with intelligence. Sorry, not the same. 483 00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:20,880 Speaker 8: Some are, some are not. This guy is reading a script. 484 00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:24,200 Speaker 8: He saw a way to get even, perhaps, he saw 485 00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:26,640 Speaker 8: a way to make more money. Perhaps, but what he 486 00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:29,400 Speaker 8: didn't see is that he's not as bright as he 487 00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:32,200 Speaker 8: believes himself to be. So he's not shakes. 488 00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:36,520 Speaker 1: Take a listen to CBS Chicago reporter Charlie DeMar, brothers 489 00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:42,160 Speaker 1: Ola and abel Osendaro, captured on Streeterville surveillance cameras, told detectives. 490 00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:44,800 Speaker 11: Their role in the reported January twenty ninth attack on 491 00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:49,240 Speaker 11: actor Jesse Smilette, according to multiple sources. Those sources say 492 00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:52,840 Speaker 11: Smolett pay the brothers thousands to carry out a staged attack. 493 00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:56,840 Speaker 11: Smolette had this to say about the scuffle with his attackers. 494 00:30:57,080 --> 00:31:01,160 Speaker 3: He said, this Maga country punches me right in the face, 495 00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:04,680 Speaker 3: so I punched it as back. I noticed the rope 496 00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:06,560 Speaker 3: around my neck and I started screaming. 497 00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:09,880 Speaker 1: People that make false claims to police, much less to 498 00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:15,920 Speaker 1: this extent, usually land behind bars. If they're regular mortals 499 00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:18,920 Speaker 1: like all of us. If your Hollywood star, maybe you 500 00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:23,120 Speaker 1: get different treatment. Jesse Smileett, superstar on the cast of 501 00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:29,200 Speaker 1: Empire to Ellenclaurencrimeline dot com investigative reporter where we have 502 00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:32,600 Speaker 1: all breaking crime and justice news. Ellen, what can you 503 00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:35,280 Speaker 1: tell me about these two guys. Everyone refers to them 504 00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:38,560 Speaker 1: as Nigerian. They're American. That's right, Nancy. 505 00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:41,840 Speaker 6: They were bored and raised in Chicago. The reason I 506 00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:45,080 Speaker 6: believe that people are calling them Nigeria is because they 507 00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:47,880 Speaker 6: for reasons that have not been explained and I do 508 00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:51,920 Speaker 6: not understand. Apparently, flew to Nigeria the day after the 509 00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:55,680 Speaker 6: attack and came back to Chicago last week, where they 510 00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:58,800 Speaker 6: were met with investigators at the airport that has not 511 00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:02,080 Speaker 6: been explained why that happened or if it has anything 512 00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:02,800 Speaker 6: to do at. 513 00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:05,920 Speaker 9: All with the alleged assaults. 514 00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:09,320 Speaker 6: And I also wanted to point something else out, since 515 00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:10,320 Speaker 6: we're talking about the. 516 00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:11,959 Speaker 9: Rope and the phone. 517 00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:15,120 Speaker 6: A lot of the things that have come up in 518 00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:18,840 Speaker 6: recent days really don't look look good like they look 519 00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:22,560 Speaker 6: very suspicious and and things are starting to really maybe 520 00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:24,920 Speaker 6: fall apart here in this story. But a couple of 521 00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:28,280 Speaker 6: things I think are not suspicious that happened here. I 522 00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:30,920 Speaker 6: don't think it's suspicious that he did not want to 523 00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:35,280 Speaker 6: hand over his entire phone immediately. He's a public figure, 524 00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:36,160 Speaker 6: he's a celebrity. 525 00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:40,000 Speaker 1: You who had allen received before? Allan, have you ever 526 00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:42,480 Speaker 1: been attacked at two am, had a rope tied around 527 00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:45,920 Speaker 1: your neck and bleach port on you? Because if you have, 528 00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:48,280 Speaker 1: I'd like to have you about that, okay, because if 529 00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:50,640 Speaker 1: that happens to you and your life is in danger 530 00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:53,480 Speaker 1: and cops say we need your phone, you go here 531 00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:57,240 Speaker 1: whatever I mean. When the cop pulls me over, which 532 00:32:57,240 --> 00:33:03,120 Speaker 1: has happened, I like say, what ever here, take it all, okay, 533 00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:07,040 Speaker 1: just plays leave my children behind whatever. I don't want 534 00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:11,240 Speaker 1: a problem with a cop, Okay, nobody should be above 535 00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:14,520 Speaker 1: the law, and if they want your phone, give your phone. 536 00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:17,320 Speaker 1: But you know what, that's you and this is me, 537 00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:21,400 Speaker 1: So go ahead with your analysis, okay. 538 00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:23,400 Speaker 6: But what I wanted to also say is that I 539 00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:25,840 Speaker 6: believe he did agree to hand over the full on 540 00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:29,520 Speaker 6: records about the rope. What we heard in the in 541 00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:32,240 Speaker 6: the beginning of this narrative was that he kept the 542 00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:35,000 Speaker 6: rope around his neck because he didn't want to sort 543 00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:40,000 Speaker 6: of disturb the scene and he wanted the responding officers 544 00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:43,160 Speaker 6: to see what had been done. That was the explanation 545 00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:45,040 Speaker 6: for the rope of being a left. 546 00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:49,200 Speaker 1: You know what, I hear you, And he could have 547 00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:54,400 Speaker 1: claimed that he did not want his DNA his I 548 00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:56,680 Speaker 1: don't think you get prints off rope, but any of 549 00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:59,680 Speaker 1: his fibers or DNA on the rope or to ruin 550 00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:03,000 Speaker 1: any evidence on the rope. So I can understand that. 551 00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:09,480 Speaker 1: Now it's my understanding that he did hand over phone records, 552 00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:18,960 Speaker 1: but that they were heavily redacted crime stories with Nancy 553 00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:28,280 Speaker 1: Grace x his on fire one user says, yikes, someone 554 00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:32,319 Speaker 1: giving Jesse Smilette a platform after all, the let me 555 00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:36,640 Speaker 1: just say, crap he pulled is a little scary. Another 556 00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:39,799 Speaker 1: says I thought he was in jail. Well, you're right, 557 00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:44,239 Speaker 1: that's where he should be. Another says, on X, why 558 00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:48,359 Speaker 1: is Jesse Smilette not in jail? Another says, I see 559 00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:51,920 Speaker 1: Jesse Smillette still trying to reinvent himself, like we forgot 560 00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:56,200 Speaker 1: he staged a fake hate crime to become famous. Another 561 00:34:56,280 --> 00:35:04,719 Speaker 1: says this is bleak. Another says the return of Juicy Smollett. 562 00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:08,520 Speaker 1: Is he going to convince us he's a quote tough guy. 563 00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:12,799 Speaker 1: Another says he's going to pretend to get beat up 564 00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:15,799 Speaker 1: by Maga. Hey listen, I'm not a Democrat or a Republican, 565 00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:20,319 Speaker 1: but everybody's say everybody joining in on X is right. 566 00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:23,920 Speaker 1: Another gets real and says, Jesse Smolette is such a 567 00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:28,840 Speaker 1: gross and unnecessary casting choice. Why is everyone up in arms? 568 00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:32,960 Speaker 1: This is why? According to TMZ our friend Harvey Levin, 569 00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:39,280 Speaker 1: the phone records were handed over and the cops rejected them. 570 00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:43,000 Speaker 1: The cops rejected them, Darryl cod, are you sitting down? 571 00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:47,640 Speaker 1: The cops rejected them, saying that they were so heavily 572 00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:52,680 Speaker 1: redacted that they were basically of no use. What about 573 00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:55,959 Speaker 1: handing over your phone records to cop? If you redact them. 574 00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:00,920 Speaker 8: Oh, come on, Nancy, this is absurd. If you have 575 00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:04,040 Speaker 8: a victim of a crime. First of all, I want 576 00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:06,319 Speaker 8: to go back to the net to the news. If 577 00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:08,439 Speaker 8: I've got a noose around my neck, oh my god, 578 00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:10,239 Speaker 8: I'm going to rip that off as quickly as I 579 00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:14,040 Speaker 8: possibly can, because I am freaked out. This guy was 580 00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:18,040 Speaker 8: not hurt. This guy was not attacked. He is looking 581 00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:21,759 Speaker 8: for publicity. He may have won an Emmy for Empire, 582 00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:24,799 Speaker 8: but the news outlets in Chicago are going to win 583 00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:28,080 Speaker 8: a news Emmy for their coverage of this guy who 584 00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:29,600 Speaker 8: doesn't recognize the. 585 00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:30,759 Speaker 5: Truth from a lie. 586 00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:34,600 Speaker 8: He is scripted and he's gotten himself into a problem. 587 00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:37,440 Speaker 8: He's a walking, living soap opera. 588 00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:39,800 Speaker 1: The whole reason they got interested in the phone records 589 00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:42,840 Speaker 1: to start with is that Smolette said to Comps he 590 00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:45,439 Speaker 1: was on the phone with his manager at the time 591 00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:48,920 Speaker 1: of the attack, and that the manager says he heard 592 00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:54,960 Speaker 1: the racial and homophobic slurs being thrown, and they want 593 00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:59,160 Speaker 1: to authenticate that that call was in fact made. They 594 00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:03,120 Speaker 1: Asscelent for the records about two weeks before they got 595 00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:08,520 Speaker 1: a PDF file. Now, police also say their cameras everywhere 596 00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:11,200 Speaker 1: in the area, but there is a sixty second gap 597 00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:14,080 Speaker 1: in the video where you don't see the Empire start, 598 00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:17,319 Speaker 1: So there's no video of the actual attack. I've looked 599 00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:20,680 Speaker 1: at shots of the video and you see two persons 600 00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:23,160 Speaker 1: of interest in surveillance footage. Now, this is what is 601 00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:26,440 Speaker 1: telling to me, Dr Bethany Marshall. These two guys that 602 00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:30,640 Speaker 1: everybody calls Nigerians, they're Americans, Let's be very clear on that. 603 00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:34,760 Speaker 1: Who take off to Nigeria the day after the attack. 604 00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:38,080 Speaker 1: They work out in his building, at least one of 605 00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:43,280 Speaker 1: them does in the gym in Spolett's building, his apartment building. 606 00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:45,520 Speaker 1: One of them has been an extra on the set. 607 00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:48,799 Speaker 1: They're totally buff. They look like their bodybuilders. I've seen 608 00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:51,320 Speaker 1: their photos and I never see them wearing a shirt. 609 00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:54,600 Speaker 1: I mean not judging, but they are totally buff. So 610 00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:57,080 Speaker 1: you can see they work out all the time. They 611 00:37:57,160 --> 00:38:00,120 Speaker 1: take off for Nigeria the day after the attack, they 612 00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:03,520 Speaker 1: come back and they're met by the cops. They are questioned, 613 00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:08,640 Speaker 1: they are released Dtor Bethany no charges, and after meeting 614 00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:13,080 Speaker 1: with them, cops say they want to reinterview Jesse Smolett. 615 00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:14,680 Speaker 1: What does that say to you, Doctor Bethany. 616 00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:17,680 Speaker 5: Well, first of all, the trip to Nigeria. They're now 617 00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:20,720 Speaker 5: thirty five hundred dollars richer because they just got paid 618 00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:24,960 Speaker 5: for the attack, right, And some people do not think 619 00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:28,439 Speaker 5: ahead when they collude with somebody who's drawing them into 620 00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:30,840 Speaker 5: a crime. So they thought, I may have fought, no 621 00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:33,719 Speaker 5: big deal. We'll rough them up, We'll put a rope 622 00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:36,480 Speaker 5: around his neck, we'll take vacation, we'll come back, this 623 00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:39,080 Speaker 5: will have all blown over. But you know what, they 624 00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:41,920 Speaker 5: talk to the police, and as I was saying about malingering, 625 00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:45,400 Speaker 5: the whole story does not shake out. The timeline is 626 00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:48,000 Speaker 5: not consistent, and so the police are going to look 627 00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:53,080 Speaker 5: to Jesse. And I would wonder what is Jesse's reward 628 00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:56,040 Speaker 5: in all of this When people malinger symptoms. You know, 629 00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:58,840 Speaker 5: I was roughed up, I was a victim. They do 630 00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:02,440 Speaker 5: it for a reward. Is he trying to up his 631 00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:07,600 Speaker 5: Twitter following? Is he negotiating a contract right now and 632 00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:11,080 Speaker 5: he wants to prove to the EP of the show 633 00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:15,319 Speaker 5: that he is the center of a national news situation. 634 00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:20,640 Speaker 5: Is he wanting to take somebody else's role in empire? 635 00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:23,680 Speaker 5: You know, I think that there's a reward there somewhere, 636 00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:26,320 Speaker 5: And if you follow that trail, the whole thing begins. 637 00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:30,399 Speaker 1: Well, I've been looking in researching and following and asking questions. 638 00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:35,440 Speaker 1: According to CBS Chicago, who is there on the scene, 639 00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:38,680 Speaker 1: Cotts want to speak to Smollette again based on quote 640 00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:43,600 Speaker 1: new evidence they learn from the two friends the two guys. Now, 641 00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:49,279 Speaker 1: according to CBS, two sources told them that Smolette paid 642 00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:52,360 Speaker 1: the two guys thirty five hundred dollars to stage the attack. 643 00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:57,279 Speaker 1: This is CBS This Morning Anchor John Dickerson. Take a 644 00:39:57,320 --> 00:39:59,200 Speaker 1: listen to what they see on the video. 645 00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:02,120 Speaker 12: Please are looking for two potential persons of interest in 646 00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:06,439 Speaker 12: a possible hate crime against actor Jesse Smollett. Police say 647 00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:09,959 Speaker 12: a surveillance camera took these images of the two men 648 00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:10,720 Speaker 12: on the night. 649 00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:12,200 Speaker 4: Smollette says he was beaten. 650 00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:15,560 Speaker 12: The star of the TV drama Empire said his masked 651 00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:20,759 Speaker 12: at attackers yelled racist and homophobic slurs. Dean Reynolds is 652 00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:21,839 Speaker 12: tracking the investigation. 653 00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:25,880 Speaker 13: The investigators are hoping the FBI can enhance those images 654 00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:29,600 Speaker 13: to provide some distinguishing details. Now, the men are not 655 00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:33,359 Speaker 13: considered suspects, but the police do want to know who 656 00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:36,600 Speaker 13: they are and what they were doing when Smollett says 657 00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:38,000 Speaker 13: he was attacked. 658 00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:40,560 Speaker 14: Sources tell CBS News the two figures seen in these 659 00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:44,200 Speaker 14: dark surveillance images were also spotted sitting on a bench 660 00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:48,160 Speaker 14: when Jesse Smolette walked past them across the street. They 661 00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:50,400 Speaker 14: then appear to get up and follow him, although the 662 00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:53,840 Speaker 14: three of them are never seen on camera together. About 663 00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:58,600 Speaker 14: a minute later, investigators say another security camera captured Smollette 664 00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:02,160 Speaker 14: returning to his apartment with a noose tied around his neck. 665 00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:05,520 Speaker 14: The rope was untied but still on his neck when 666 00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:08,040 Speaker 14: police arrived, forty five minutes after. 667 00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:09,400 Speaker 4: He says he was attacked. 668 00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:13,719 Speaker 1: The truth about Jesse Smollette. I think I already know 669 00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:20,640 Speaker 1: the truth. Joining the infamous race hoaxer, stirring up racial 670 00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:25,840 Speaker 1: animosity like nobody else, Jesse Smlette set to star in 671 00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:29,520 Speaker 1: a reality show along with the Real Housewives of New 672 00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:34,319 Speaker 1: Jersey cast member Teresa Judice, whose own brush with the 673 00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:39,800 Speaker 1: law involved an eleven month prison sentence for fraud. Ooh, 674 00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:44,319 Speaker 1: she's going to compete along with her daughter Jia. 675 00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:44,879 Speaker 6: Oh. 676 00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:50,919 Speaker 1: Okay, I guess some Smollett's in good company. Other contestants 677 00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:56,560 Speaker 1: for season four include Kristen Cavalieri's ex boyfriend Mark Estes. 678 00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:00,120 Speaker 1: I may I know who all these contestants are. But 679 00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:04,440 Speaker 1: I know who Jesse Smolette is. As fans respond, quote, 680 00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:07,360 Speaker 1: I thought he was in jail, Well he should be. 681 00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:08,359 Speaker 4: Wow. 682 00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:11,680 Speaker 1: I'm almost through with the pizza and I'm ready to 683 00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:15,520 Speaker 1: start on a large popcorn loaded with butter. Jesse Smolette 684 00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:16,680 Speaker 1: is going to be on TV. 685 00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:17,080 Speaker 4: Wow. 686 00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:22,760 Speaker 1: Thanks Hulu. We wait as Justice Unfalds. Goodbye friend,