WEBVTT - Short Stuff: Did Tippy Hedron start the Vietnamese manicure industry?

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, and welcome to the Short Stuff. I'm Josh and

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<v Speaker 1>there's Chucked Cherry's here too, and for Days and this

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<v Speaker 1>is short stuff one that ties into a recent episode

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<v Speaker 1>of ours raw.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right, thanks to the following inside Fullerton website, National

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<v Speaker 2>Museum of American History KCR dot com dot edu, and

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<v Speaker 2>a website called viet Salon. And if you're like that's

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<v Speaker 2>a funny sounding name, it's not, because we're talking about

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<v Speaker 2>the interesting fact that Vietnamese, American and Vietnamese women generally

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<v Speaker 2>populate the manicure nail professional system like no other group

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<v Speaker 2>in the United States.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and it's one of those things that you just

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<v Speaker 1>know that in the United States, even if you don't

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<v Speaker 1>get your nails done, you just kind of know Vietnamese

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<v Speaker 1>people tend to be the ones that run and own

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<v Speaker 1>nail salons. But it's one of those things that you

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<v Speaker 1>probably have never stopped to ask why. And this is

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<v Speaker 1>one of those great stories where there's actually a specific answer,

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<v Speaker 1>a specific date, specific people involved that answer that question why,

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<v Speaker 1>Like there's an answer to it, not just well that's

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<v Speaker 1>just how it turned out.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, for sure, I do have a stat for you here.

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<v Speaker 2>The Bureau of labor statistics, and this is in California,

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<v Speaker 2>but this is also true in a lot of the country.

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<v Speaker 2>But they have the number at eighty two percent of

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<v Speaker 2>nail salons in California are staffed by Vietnamese people, generally

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<v Speaker 2>Vietnamese women, but some men are doing that thing too,

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<v Speaker 2>And it goes all the way back to nineteen seventy five.

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<v Speaker 2>After the Vietnam War ended, Vietnamese immigration happened in a

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<v Speaker 2>big way, and I think by the year two thousand

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<v Speaker 2>there were a million Vietnamese immigrants had settled in the

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<v Speaker 2>United States.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, and not all billion, obviously we're working the nail industry,

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<v Speaker 1>but enough of them did that. The Vietnamese immigrants and

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<v Speaker 1>Vietnamese Americans who came to start, I guess essentially dominating

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<v Speaker 1>the nail salon industry transformed it from something pretty small

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<v Speaker 1>and niche into I think an eight billion dollar global

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<v Speaker 1>industry in just a few decades.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it was.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, before the nineteen seventies, if you got a

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<v Speaker 2>manicure or a pedicure, you were probably some wealthy woman

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<v Speaker 2>who you know, was doing it as like a luxury service.

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<v Speaker 2>It wasn't, you know, as routine as it is today,

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<v Speaker 2>And the fact that it got routine was for a

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<v Speaker 2>few reasons. One was the electric file was invented in

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen seventy four, and then acrylic nails came along in

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen seventy nine, and that just sort of democratized the

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<v Speaker 2>whole thing. It made a lot cheaper to do and

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<v Speaker 2>therefore have done for you.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but even still, we haven't gotten to the reason

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<v Speaker 1>why so many Vietnamese people have taken over the nail

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<v Speaker 1>industry and turned it into what it is. For one thing, though,

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<v Speaker 1>like the reason that it became like primed for that

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<v Speaker 1>to happen is that these nail techts realized, like, you

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<v Speaker 1>don't actually have to be like conversant in English, let

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<v Speaker 1>alone fluent. You just have to know a few words,

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<v Speaker 1>and you can not only work in a nail slun

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<v Speaker 1>you could pretty much open and own your own like this.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a ready made way for recently arrived immigrants

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<v Speaker 1>whose lives have been devastated by the Vietnam War to

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<v Speaker 1>basically start over again and build like a life and

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<v Speaker 1>a nest egg for themselves.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>So you know, we mentioned the here was nineteen seventy five,

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<v Speaker 2>and the place was something called Hope Village, which was

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<v Speaker 2>in Wymar, California, and it was the first non military,

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<v Speaker 2>non military refugee camp in the United States. And in

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen seventy five there were about twenty Vietnamese women that

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<v Speaker 2>were there in Hope Village and at one point actress

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<v Speaker 2>Tippy Hedron, who was the starbar and the Star of

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<v Speaker 2>Alfred Hitchcock's.

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<v Speaker 3>The Birds, came through.

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<v Speaker 2>She was doing a lot of humanitarian work at the

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<v Speaker 2>time and went to visit Hope Village and during the

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<v Speaker 2>visit she noticed that these women were kind of gaga

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<v Speaker 2>over her manicured nails, and she had one of those

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<v Speaker 2>light bulb moments where she's like, wait a minute, I

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<v Speaker 2>bet I can teach these women and empower them to

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<v Speaker 2>do this and become business owners here in the United States.

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<v Speaker 1>And she reached up over her head and went on

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<v Speaker 1>the light bulb with her nail and she said, I

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<v Speaker 1>got a great idea. Everybody. So she, having being a sta,

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<v Speaker 1>got her nails done quite a bit. She went to

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<v Speaker 1>a place called the Nail Patch. Sounds a little hippie

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<v Speaker 1>to me, but apparently it was a high end nail salon,

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<v Speaker 1>like the first nails only salon because at the time

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<v Speaker 1>there was no place to just go get your nails done.

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<v Speaker 1>It was something you did at a larger salon. But

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<v Speaker 1>Dusty Boots but Terra founded the Nail Patch and Thencino, California,

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<v Speaker 1>which is the setting for the movie, and Sino Man

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<v Speaker 1>and Tippy Hedron said, Hey, Dusty, do you want to

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<v Speaker 1>come teach these women and Hope Village how to do

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<v Speaker 1>some nail stuff because they're crazy about my manicure, So

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<v Speaker 1>you want to just have a lark and come come

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<v Speaker 1>show them what to do in Dusty six.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, She's like, I'm Dusty Boots but Terra. The

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<v Speaker 2>answer is always yes. So Dusty Boots went up. Their

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<v Speaker 2>first training session went really well, and so Tippy Hedron

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<v Speaker 2>flew her up basically every weekend over a few months,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, while she was still running that nail Patch

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<v Speaker 2>and Encino and just kept teaching them like new techniques

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<v Speaker 2>and like kind of the all the ins and outs

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<v Speaker 2>of the business.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So there were I think originally twenty women who

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<v Speaker 1>became the first class that Dusty but Terra essentially graduated.

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<v Speaker 1>And this was also just he made to be adapted

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<v Speaker 1>to actual like beauty schools, beauty colleges in particular. The

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<v Speaker 1>first one was Citrus Heights Beauty College, which is well

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<v Speaker 1>known for also being the one that Frenchie dropped out

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<v Speaker 1>from in Greece. And yeah, no, I just made that.

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<v Speaker 1>I just had to give a frenchy shout out, and

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<v Speaker 1>that was the only way I could come up with it.

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<v Speaker 1>I got you, and the owner, Becky Hambleton, was like, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>let's figure out how to create a nail manicure curriculum essentially,

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<v Speaker 1>so we can take anybody who wants to learn, especially

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<v Speaker 1>women from whole village, and train them how to do

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<v Speaker 1>this so they can go create a life for themselves.

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<v Speaker 3>That's right.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like we should take our little break here, sure,

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<v Speaker 2>and we'll come back and get to As Paul Harvey

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<v Speaker 2>would say the rest of the story right after this, Well.

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<v Speaker 4>Now we're on the road driving in your truck. Want

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<v Speaker 4>to learn a thing or two from josh Am Chuck.

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<v Speaker 4>It's stuff you should know, all right, stop.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, So we're back.

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<v Speaker 2>When we left, Tippy Hedron had gotten Dusty Boots Poterra

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<v Speaker 2>on the scene training these women and then partnered with

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<v Speaker 2>Becky Hambleton of Citrus Heights Beauty College to get a

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<v Speaker 2>real nail curriculum going. The one thing I don't think

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<v Speaker 2>we mentioned, it's kind of cool. If you do a

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<v Speaker 2>little research on this, you'll see a lot of amazing

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<v Speaker 2>photos of all of this happening in real time. And

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<v Speaker 2>that's because Dusty Boots but Terra's husband, Massimo Massimo. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>Massimo Butra was a photographer and like went up there

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<v Speaker 2>to this refugee camp and like took lots of like

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<v Speaker 2>awesome pictures of this all taking place.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, it was pretty well documented. So I think

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<v Speaker 1>the first group of twenty women from Camp Hope underwent

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<v Speaker 1>three hundred and fifty hours of training. So when they graduated,

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<v Speaker 1>they knew everything there is to know about manicures, pedicures,

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<v Speaker 1>all the cures. And they went out and basically spread

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<v Speaker 1>this knowledge and started training other women essentially just enough

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<v Speaker 1>to hire them. And then, like those women gained on

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<v Speaker 1>the job training, you could also go to beauty colleges

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<v Speaker 1>now to learn it as well. And this seed was

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<v Speaker 1>planted of this massive transition in the nail salon industry. Again,

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<v Speaker 1>like this is really where the idea of nail salons

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<v Speaker 1>kind of came from. Yes, there was the nail patch,

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<v Speaker 1>but the ubiquity of them today they are everywhere. Sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>if the strip mall is big enough, they'll have multiple

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<v Speaker 1>nail salons in there, and like they're just everywhere. All

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<v Speaker 1>of this came from this late seventies transition.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>And just like any ethnic roop group that moves to

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<v Speaker 2>another country and kind of maybe from the outside weirdly

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<v Speaker 2>becomes dominant over a particular part of you know, business,

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<v Speaker 2>That's how it happens. You know, word goes back to Vietnam,

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<v Speaker 2>like hey, you know you're on to your sister or

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<v Speaker 2>somebody or has gone over to the United States. They're

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<v Speaker 2>making a great living doing nails, so then they come

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<v Speaker 2>over and they get taught, and then it just sort

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<v Speaker 2>of the tendrils sort of spread out from there, right,

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<v Speaker 2>and it became Vietnamese dominated. And one of the reasons

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<v Speaker 2>I think Becky Hamilton reference was, Hey, it wasn't just

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<v Speaker 2>us in the curriculum and us teaching them, but she

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<v Speaker 2>was like, they had amazing work ethics and that's why

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<v Speaker 2>they were successful.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. You ever get a pedicure or a manicure, Nah,

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<v Speaker 1>not my thing there, man. You should treat yourself, at

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<v Speaker 1>least treat yourself to a pedicure once and I'll bet

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<v Speaker 1>you do it more than once.

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<v Speaker 2>You told me to do that ten times now, and

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<v Speaker 2>I just don't think it's my thing.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, I'm taking you. Sorry, I'll kidnap you if

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<v Speaker 1>I have to and take you and you're going to like, Josh,

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<v Speaker 1>thanks for this.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I wouldn't because I don't like people touching my toes.

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<v Speaker 2>It freaks me out. So you would actually be delivering

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<v Speaker 2>kind of a horror experience for me.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, let me think about this then, So Chuck,

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<v Speaker 1>this is not all just necessarily like hip hip hooray

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<v Speaker 1>for nail salons. There's definitely some downsides to it. If

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<v Speaker 1>you really kind of want to make it in America.

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<v Speaker 1>In nail salons, you essentially have to own your own

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<v Speaker 1>and most of the people who work at nail salons

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<v Speaker 1>do not have any kind of ownership stake in them.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Actually, sadly, they typically make less even than minimum wage,

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<v Speaker 1>So a lot of nail salon workers are being paid

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<v Speaker 1>an illegally low amount of money.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, which is you know, even in California they have

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<v Speaker 2>a thirteen dollars an hour minimum wage. This is from

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty one, and I think that same year the

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<v Speaker 2>average for a nail salon worker was ten dollars and

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<v Speaker 2>ninety four cents.

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<v Speaker 3>So you know how they getting away with that? That's

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<v Speaker 3>what I want to know.

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<v Speaker 1>I looked, Basically, someone has to report you, and from

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<v Speaker 1>what I understand, a lot of nail salon workers barely

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<v Speaker 1>speak English in some cases or just don't at all,

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<v Speaker 1>so there's no way for them to report. And then

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<v Speaker 1>secondly they might not know where to start with reporting.

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<v Speaker 1>And then also thirdly, this is their job and they

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<v Speaker 1>depend on this job as little as they're paid, so

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<v Speaker 1>they're probably not going to start causing trouble or rocking

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<v Speaker 1>the boat or whatever. And then the even worse, traditionally

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<v Speaker 1>or typically, when you are reported for this, basically nothing

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<v Speaker 1>happens to you as a business owner, all.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, So the TLD are is they're being taken advantage of.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it happens, and certainly it's not all nail salons,

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<v Speaker 1>but it is something that is pretty rampant in that industry.

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<v Speaker 1>And then at all nail salons there's a real health

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<v Speaker 1>risk with respiratory difficulties from all of the chemicals that

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<v Speaker 1>are used in there and just are in the air.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just part of the air and the nail salon.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so tip them big everybody.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, although they are often forced to split their tips

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<v Speaker 1>with the ownership, which is pretty crummy.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, that's why I get a tip them even bigger.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, what you do. I've learned this from experience. You

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<v Speaker 1>show up with a twenty jam between your big toe

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<v Speaker 1>and your second toe, and when they take your shoe off,

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<v Speaker 1>you just wink at them. They get it, they understand.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, that's all for you.

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<v Speaker 1>Yep, So you got anything else?

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<v Speaker 3>I got nothing else.

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<v Speaker 4>Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.