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Speaker 1: Welcome on and all to the Hammer Territory Podcast. My

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Speaker 1: name is Sean Coleman. Hope, wherever you are and wherever

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Speaker 1: you were listening, you have had a great Tuesday, or

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Speaker 1: excuse me, a great Wednesday yourself. Hopefully your day was

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Speaker 1: better than this evening is gone if you are a

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Speaker 1: Braves fan, and we're here to break it all down,

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Speaker 1: of course with me as always is my podcast partner

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Speaker 1: Steven Talbert, and let's just cut straight to the chase.

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Speaker 1: The Braves lost tonight two to one, their third straight

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Speaker 1: loss in a row. You know, when it comes to

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Speaker 1: facing off against the Red Sox on Sunday as well

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Speaker 1: as the Divingbacks in the first two games of the season.

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Speaker 1: The Braves are now six games under five hundred once again,

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Speaker 1: and I know that they started off the season oh

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Speaker 1: and seven. This is the low point of the season

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Speaker 1: for the Braves. The fashion in which they have lost

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Speaker 1: these past three games, the time that it is now

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Speaker 1: for them to get going, and overall the offense just

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Speaker 1: seeming to be non existent even when they have chances

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Speaker 1: to get the job done. To me, this is the

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Speaker 1: low point of the season. That's not meant to be dramatic.

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Speaker 1: That's just meant to be straightforward. Steven. It's always good

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Speaker 1: to get to do these podcasts with you, But man,

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Speaker 1: this is getting old really really quick.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's not just three losses in a row.

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Speaker 2: I mean they've lost I think five series in a row.

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Speaker 1: I think, like, yeah, they've lost five series three intended

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Speaker 1: their last thirteen games.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think they're like four and eleven in

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Speaker 2: their last fifteen games. So like, I mean, they've they've

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Speaker 2: been awful for two plus weeks now, almost three weeks now.

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Speaker 2: And by the way, they weren't exactly like lighting the

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Speaker 2: world on fire before this to begin with. I mean,

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Speaker 2: obviously they started oh and seven, they were five and team.

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Speaker 2: At one point they had just barely gotten it back

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Speaker 2: to five hundred, even gotten a game over five hundred,

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Speaker 2: and then just I mean fell off a mountain. You know,

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Speaker 2: it's very telling. I was checking the Braves official Twitter

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Speaker 2: account to see if there was an update on Day's

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Speaker 2: bell before we started the show, and the Braves tweet

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Speaker 2: out every highlight of the game, every single one, every night.

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Speaker 2: Like the Braves, social media is very active, and their

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Speaker 2: last two tweets they've sent as of recording this podcast

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Speaker 2: were the tweet where they said the game is going

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Speaker 2: to start at eight twenty because of the weather. That

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Speaker 2: was the second to last tweet they sent. And then

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Speaker 2: the last tweet they sent was the final score of

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Speaker 2: the game, and that was it. So for the whole game,

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Speaker 2: they sent out one tweet which was the final score basically,

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Speaker 2: So that tells you exactly what we just watched. And

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Speaker 2: I mean, we're going to get into the details. We're

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Speaker 2: gonna get into the offense. We're probably gonna start the

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Speaker 2: show with the offense and not just whatever the hell

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Speaker 2: that was in the eighth and ninth inning. But Jesus Christ,

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Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know. I don't, I really don't.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what the hell happened to this team.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if they just have a collection of

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Speaker 2: just like the I don't know. I'm gonna say some

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Speaker 2: stuff that's gonna get me in trouble. Well, we're gonna

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Speaker 2: get into it. But yeah, it's it's good to be

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Speaker 2: on with you, buddy. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And I think it's kind of ironic because Steven great

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Speaker 1: me if I'm wrong. I think in two of the

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Speaker 1: past three years, it was right around this time, like

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Speaker 1: three of the past four years, the Braves have played

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Speaker 1: the Diamondbacks around Memorial Day towards the end of May

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Speaker 1: at the start of June. I think the last two

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Speaker 1: where our season kind of turned around, at the start

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Speaker 1: of when we started to get hot in June, you know,

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Speaker 1: in the past couple of years. But this time around,

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Speaker 1: it's ironic because this again feels like bottom so far

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Speaker 1: I'm not being dramatic. Like the reason why I say

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Speaker 1: that is because we all can look at the stats.

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Speaker 1: We all can look at the tape. This offense sucks

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Speaker 1: right now. It absolutely is the truth. But what is disheartening,

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Speaker 1: what is inexplicable and tonight inexcusable, is the fact that

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Speaker 1: this Braves offense continue to re write more and more

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Speaker 1: disappointing ways to be able to lose. They don't just

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Speaker 1: then it just goes to complete crap. And that happened

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Speaker 1: ninth inning, Steven, you do a wonderful job breaking it down.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to let you do that. But that is

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Speaker 1: what is most disappointing about this team right now. Yes,

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Speaker 1: it's the losses. Yes, it's overall the offense not getting

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Speaker 1: game going. Merrill Kelly went into the sixth inning with

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Speaker 1: the no hitter tonight, but they Braves still had chances.

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Speaker 1: They still had chances, especially tonight, and could just not

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Speaker 1: pitching staff overpowered them. It's not because of bad luck.

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Speaker 1: It's just because this team's approach when it comes to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean they didn't get a hits to the

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Speaker 2: Like if Ronnie doesn't get that hit, there's I mean,

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Speaker 2: game was just frustrating, and so the frustration was just

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Speaker 2: They scored one urn run last night. They scored one

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Speaker 2: And so the frustration is just building, building, building, building, building, building, building, building, building,

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Speaker 2: Pissed off, pissed off. Arizona's given up like the fourth

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Speaker 2: as a little little extra boost here, Arizona's a team

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Speaker 2: you're supposed to get right against in terms of offense.

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Speaker 2: So we get to the eighth inning. It's been a

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Speaker 2: frustrating as hell game. Chris sale was awesome. We're gonna

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Speaker 2: talk about Chrisselle in the second segment of the show.

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Speaker 2: We get to the eighth inning, Alex Radugo by some miracle.

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Speaker 2: base on the first pitch. So now it's second and third,

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Speaker 2: nobody out. And I think it was Drake Baldwin who

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Speaker 2: pinch hitch right there. Yeah, Drake Baldwin came in pitch

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Speaker 2: Drake Baldwin has been awesome this year. We've sang Drake

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Speaker 2: Baldwin's praising. That's not a good strikeout. Now, he came

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Speaker 2: and Michael Harris comes to the plate, and Justin Martinez,

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Speaker 2: who was as wild as any pitcher I've ever seen,

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Speaker 2: Mike swings at all three of them, strikes out on

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Speaker 2: three pitches. They immediately walk Ronald Cunyon Jr. I mean

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Speaker 1: No thought given to it, no thought.

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Speaker 2: The choice between Ronald Cunon Jr. Or any Boughts anybody

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Speaker 2: Ronald's not beating us, which is exactly what I would do.

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Speaker 2: He gets sent down to first. Austin Rally comes in,

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Speaker 2: but still strikes out. So the Braves get three strikeouts.

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Speaker 2: So now the frustration has just reached a whole new level.

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Speaker 2: But hell, we didn't even know we were done yet, because

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Speaker 2: now we get to the ninth inning, Matt Olsen walks,

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Speaker 2: so they got two on with one out. Eli White

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Speaker 2: It was a strike. It was actually a fastball right

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Speaker 2: it's first and third, two out. They do you a

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Speaker 2: favor by hitting Luke Williams. Luke Williams had no chance

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Speaker 2: Now the bases are loaded. Drake Balin's back up again.

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Speaker 3: What to say.

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Speaker 1: I don't either like like this is this is not

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Speaker 1: me and Steven trying to you know, I really don't

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Speaker 2: I don't know what to say.

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Speaker 1: It's not We're not trying to put on the show

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Speaker 1: right now like it is. It is mindnumbingly frustrated right now.

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Speaker 1: And I'll be honest with you. When Drake Baldwin came

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Speaker 1: bases loaded in two outs, the thought legitimately crossed my mind, Stephen,

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Speaker 1: they may actually walk Drake Baldwin just pitch to Michael Harris.

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Speaker 1: They would be willing to give up a run to

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Speaker 2: And let me tell you how bad Michael Harris's first

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Speaker 2: was walking everybody, anybody else gets pulled out of that game.

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Speaker 2: But Mike looked so unbelievably bad in the first at

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Speaker 2: I gotta make I gotta make Michael Harris show me

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Speaker 2: I think he took one pitch in that bat, and

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Speaker 2: the next three pitches were all just a mile away

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Speaker 2: and I just, I mean, want a joke.

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Speaker 1: And it's just disheartening right now. That's as we wrap

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Speaker 1: So Stephen, the other thing that really comes to mind

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Speaker 1: I don't think he had just his best stuff four

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Speaker 2: And we've already talked about it. The Braves depend very

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Speaker 1: It is now over twenty five hundred strikeouts in his career.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I said it a couple of shows ago.

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Speaker 2: And thank god for him because it's he is one

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Speaker 2: chance to do some special stuff over the next couple

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Speaker 1: And the other thing that I'll say is this is

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Speaker 1: that again, as doubtful as it may seem, and as

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Speaker 1: down and trodden as we are about the offense right now,

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Speaker 1: one thing that remains This pitching staff is starting for

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Speaker 1: the starting staff. They have been since May first, among

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Speaker 1: the best in baseball. And if this offense does start

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Speaker 1: to get going that type of turnaround, the amount of

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Speaker 1: winning that we need to do in a short stretch

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Speaker 1: of time, it very well could happen with how good

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Speaker 1: our pitching has been. Take this for instance, since May first,

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Speaker 1: coming into tonight, Chris Sale had a one point one

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Speaker 1: one ERA with a two point six one FIP and

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Speaker 1: a two point nine to two XPIP. Spencer Spelbach since

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Speaker 1: May first, three point four to one ERA, a two

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Speaker 1: point seven to nine x FIP, Grant Holmes a three

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Speaker 1: point two to two e RA, a a three point

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Speaker 1: one six at PHIP, and every one of those pitchers

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Speaker 1: Steven has above a nine k k rate over nine

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Speaker 1: innings and a walk rate of three or less per

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Speaker 1: nine innings. The point that I'm getting at is the Braves'

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Speaker 1: main three starters, you know, with with aj Smith, Shauber

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Speaker 1: now on the show for the season, Brice Older going down,

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Speaker 1: Spencer Strider trying to reform himself, the main three starters

456
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Speaker 1: have an excellent That trio of Sales, Swaddle Block and

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Speaker 1: Homes has been among the best rios in baseball over

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Speaker 1: basically the past six weeks. If Spencer Strider can find

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Speaker 1: his form, then you've got something to build on again.

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Speaker 1: The offense has got to do its part. But if

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Speaker 1: there is one bright spot of this team, if it's

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Speaker 1: one encouraging thing. It's the fact that the starting staff

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Speaker 1: once again is showing its value and more than holding

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Speaker 1: its own.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and has the last two years. I mean, they

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Speaker 2: have the number one ERA in baseball last year. Technically,

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Speaker 2: we don't know that Ronaldo Lopez is not coming back

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Speaker 2: in twenty twenty five. We don't know that it's unlikely,

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Speaker 2: but it's still possible. We know that, well, we don't

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Speaker 2: know for sure, but we're pretty damn sure that Ajas

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Speaker 2: Michal is probably done for the year. We'll see what

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Speaker 2: they do at the deadline. I mean a hell, at

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Speaker 2: this right they might be selling at the deadline, but yeah, sale, swallowback, Holmes, Strider, Elder,

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Speaker 2: Strider's got to get it going. I do have faith

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Speaker 2: that he will. Listen, Elder is going to be a

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Speaker 2: fifth starter. You know, he'll have decent games, he'll have

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Speaker 2: blow up games. The starting rotation, if you were to

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Speaker 2: make a list of the top ten things wrong with

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Speaker 2: his team, you wouldn't get to the rotation until like

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Speaker 2: you got to like twenty seventh on the list. So yeah,

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Speaker 2: the rotation has been fantastic and despite dealing with injuries,

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Speaker 2: I mean, Ronaldo got hurt almost immediately. Strider came back,

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Speaker 2: then got hurt, was gone for a month. A. J.

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Speaker 2: Smischalber had to step in, Bryce Elder had to step in.

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Speaker 2: Great Holmes has been really solid, you know. I know

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Speaker 2: Schwellenbach and Sale both had little bumps in the road

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Speaker 2: at the beginning, but both have righted the ship have

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Speaker 2: looked fantastic. The starters are doing their job. I mean,

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Speaker 2: that's just that's just the plain and simple. The starters

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Speaker 2: are doing their job. It's basically everybody else, it's the

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Speaker 2: offense at the back end of the bullpen. They are

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Speaker 2: doing the exact opposite of their job.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, and you know, we just need more people. Again,

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Speaker 1: That's one thing that I'll say about this team as

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Speaker 1: a whole. It's not like we're asking a bunch of

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Speaker 1: people to go above and beyond, to be significantly more

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Speaker 1: than what many expect for them to be. We just

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Speaker 1: need for them to be what many expect for them

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Speaker 1: to be. If that could happen over any stretch of time,

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Speaker 1: this could write the ship real quickly. But again we've

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Speaker 1: said that, you know, enough times to hope it will happen.

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Speaker 1: But more on tonight's but more on what occurred tonight

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Speaker 1: and also we'll get into Das Bull Hernandez the latest

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Speaker 1: on him as well as looking forward. Well you want

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Speaker 1: to call it that. We'll discuss the next game and

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Speaker 1: the rest of the week here in just a moment

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Speaker 1: after a word from our partners.

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Speaker 1: So, Stephen, the other thing that occurred late in the

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Speaker 1: game on Wednesday versus the Diamondbacks was that Daves More

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Speaker 1: Hernandez came in. I believe Dylan Lee got the first

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Speaker 1: out of the eighth inding and Daves Moore Hernandez came

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Speaker 1: in and immediately ran into the same struggles that we

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Speaker 1: have seen recently. It really seems like since he gave

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Speaker 1: up an infield hit I believe it manab Be against

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Speaker 1: the Padres. I don't remember the exact deveia, but basically,

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Speaker 1: over the past ten days we've started to see the

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Speaker 1: regression settle and hard. When it comes to daze Bol Hernandez,

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Speaker 1: once again, he was struggling, I think walk two of

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Speaker 1: the three batters that he faced. He was going up

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Speaker 1: against Josh Naylor and was working a three to count,

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Speaker 1: but then as he was about to throw a three

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Speaker 1: two pitch to Naylor, or right before or after he

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Speaker 1: threw the pitch that made it three to two versus

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Speaker 1: Josh Naylor, there was some concern. It seems like the

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Speaker 1: report was that Ozzie Albi's noticed that he was squeezing

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Speaker 1: his hand, notified the coaching staff, and that was the case.

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Speaker 1: It seemed as if Daze Bol Hernandez was squeezing his

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Speaker 1: hand and his body language did not indicate that it

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Speaker 1: was a good feeling at all. And of course, having

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Speaker 1: just seen what happened with a j. Smith Shab, you're

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Speaker 1: thinking the worst so of course days Bol Hernandez was

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Speaker 1: taking out Aaron Bummer replaced him finish the inning. But

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Speaker 1: you know, obviously, with what we've just seen with A. J.

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Speaker 1: Smith Shauver, I'm sure many were thinking, oh gosh, here

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Speaker 1: we go again with days Bol Hernandez. Steven, do you

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Speaker 1: have any further updates when it comes to Day's bol

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Speaker 1: You know, hopefully it definitely didn't look as bad as

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Speaker 1: as it seemed that it could have been initially.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Bowman, Mark friend of the show, Mark Bowman just

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Speaker 2: MLB dot com just tweeted that Snith said that he

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Speaker 2: just got some numbness in his pinky and the trainers

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Speaker 2: checked him out. You know, I'm sure, I'm assuming did

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Speaker 2: a full like ligament test and all that stuff that

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Speaker 2: you do, and they said he was fine. So Braves

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Speaker 2: might have dodged the bullet. Listen, anytime my guy starts

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Speaker 2: messing with his pitching arm, starts like flexing his hand.

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Speaker 2: Even Glavitt on the broadcast was like, oh no, like

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Speaker 2: he's I think he actually audibly said, oh no, you

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Speaker 2: don't want you don't want like numbness in your hands,

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Speaker 2: because like everybody kind of knows that's a precursor to

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Speaker 2: something more serious, So we'll see. I'm not sure the

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Speaker 2: Braves are completely out of the woods of it yet.

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Speaker 2: It's gonna be the next time Dave's Bell throws, if

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Speaker 2: it happens again and he has to go for like

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Speaker 2: an MRI or something. I'm still not The update was good.

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Speaker 2: There's nothing initially wrong with him, but I'm gonna have

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Speaker 2: to see him pitch again and not have it happen

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Speaker 2: again before I'm completely like, Okay, we're good here. But yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean a super problem is that Dasball just hasn't

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Speaker 2: been that good lately. I mean, you know, you don't

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Speaker 2: want him to get hurt. Obviously, it's better to have

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Speaker 2: him than to not have him. But he's walking so

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Speaker 2: many people, he's not striking enough people out. We've already,

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Speaker 2: i mean, we've talked about this. The back end of

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Speaker 2: the bullpen is kind of a mess right now with

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Speaker 2: das Bell and Rosiel. So the Braves are almost certainly

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Speaker 2: going to have to address that at some point if

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Speaker 2: if they're in contention, come the time to address those things.

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Speaker 2: I mean, that's not that's not a certain thing. That's

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Speaker 2: I mean, that's I don't even know if that's a

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Speaker 2: more likely thing than not at this point, I mean,

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Speaker 2: I would probably argue that it's more likely the Braves

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Speaker 2: will not be in contention. You know, the talent of

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Speaker 2: the team is still such that I have a hard

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Speaker 2: time saying that. But listen, at some point, you just

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Speaker 2: are who you are. You are, I mean, you know

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Speaker 2: the Bill Parcells, You're right, you know you are what

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Speaker 2: your record is. And it's possible this team just sucks.

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Speaker 2: Like it's hard for me to like, it's hard for

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Speaker 2: my brain to get there because of the talent on

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Speaker 2: the team and how we judge teams by by talent,

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Speaker 2: individual talent, But like, it's just possible this team sucks

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Speaker 2: because they've spent most of the year sucking, So it's

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Speaker 2: possible they suck. And if they if that, if they sucked,

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Speaker 2: then there they won't be buying anything at the deadline.

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Speaker 2: They'll be selling whatever little they have to sell off.

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Speaker 2: So it's good news on day's bell. They need him

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Speaker 2: to pitch better. They need him to pitch and not

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Speaker 2: have this happen the next time, or it's probably gonna

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Speaker 2: be something more serious. But it's a better update than

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Speaker 2: you know, if we'd gotten an update that said like, yeah,

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Speaker 2: he's he's going for an MRI and it doesn't look good.

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Speaker 2: So at least we didn't get that.

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Speaker 1: Well then, so let me ask you about the bullpen

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Speaker 1: in general, because you know, if Day's bell were to

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Speaker 1: for some reason go on the IL, if this winds

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Speaker 1: up you know, not being just a short thing, and

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Speaker 1: you know he has issues whatever, whatever reason, he winds

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Speaker 1: up on the IL. One name that we talked about

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Speaker 1: about three or four weeks ago, for instance, I think

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Speaker 1: I made it. I can't remember. I think I made

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Speaker 1: it on the podcast. I know at least send it

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Speaker 1: off the podcast. I know that many people were talking

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Speaker 1: about Craig Kimberrell potentially coming up and replacing like Rice

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Speaker 1: Elly Galacias as our closer even when the glaciers were struggling,

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Speaker 1: and I said, that's not the case. I don't try.

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Speaker 1: I didn't trust k Kimberl to come in and take

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Speaker 1: on a big role for this bullpen. But since then,

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Speaker 1: Craig kimber has actually been very good at triple A

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Speaker 1: this bullpen, despite numbers suggesting that they've been okay to

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Speaker 1: decent to pretty good here recently. Again, underlying metrics do

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Speaker 1: not suggest the same for any of the guys. So

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Speaker 1: where are we with Kreig Krimbell in your mind? Craig

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Speaker 1: kimber on your mind, Steven Tolbert, I feel like it's

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Speaker 1: a situation kind of similar to the third base situation.

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Speaker 1: You're replaced Teoso's Super Bowl with Fredi Gonzalez, because yeah,

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Speaker 1: you may not necessarily think it's going to have a

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Speaker 1: significant impact, but at least puts you in a better

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Speaker 1: position in a relevant impact on your offense. To me,

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Speaker 1: that's kind of where we are with Craig Kimbrel is

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Speaker 1: that there are plenty of guys who I think this

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Speaker 1: bullpen you potentially would like to see Craig kimberll come

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Speaker 1: in before now, So why not go ahead and make

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Speaker 1: that move? It days we'll go into the IL is

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Speaker 1: the obvious way to do that. That's fine, You're not

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Speaker 1: using Scott Blewett in bigger situations, despite the fact that

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Speaker 1: he's looked better than several of the guys there. You

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Speaker 1: need as much reliability as possible in the bullpen. I

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Speaker 1: don't expect Craig Kimberle to come up and all of

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Speaker 1: a sudden be one of the best closures in the league,

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Speaker 1: but at the very least he could be a good

645
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 1: middle of the rotation or middle of the bullpen guy.

646
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:31,719
Speaker 1: The problem is is that the back end of our

647
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 1: bullpen has a very hard time not giving up runs.

648
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:39,000
Speaker 1: Ry sol Iglesia has given up that second run in

649
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:41,240
Speaker 1: the top of the ninth inning. We haven't discussed, but

650
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 1: that was a huge turning point in the game. Because

651
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:46,520
Speaker 1: that doesn't happen, we tie it. Where are you potentially

652
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 1: on Craig Kimberrell coming up and being a part of

653
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:51,720
Speaker 1: this bullpen because it seems like that he's done all

654
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 1: that he needs to do, all that he can do

655
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 1: in the minors.

656
00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:00,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean sure, I don't care, Fine and bring

657
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:02,840
Speaker 2: him up. I mean, it's the second game in a row.

658
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:05,080
Speaker 2: Montero did the same thing last night, where it was

659
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 2: our manageable game. Montero comes in in the ninth and

660
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 2: gives up a three on Homer. I mean, I I mean,

661
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:12,240
Speaker 2: I've said it a thousand times on the show. I

662
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:14,960
Speaker 2: don't understand their obsession with Rafael Montero. I would have

663
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:20,640
Speaker 2: dfated that guy weeks ago. They like him substantially more

664
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:22,120
Speaker 2: than I do, because I don't like him at all.

665
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 2: But they clearly see something they like. I would have

666
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:29,920
Speaker 2: put Kimberl in this bullpen over Montero weeks ago. And

667
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 2: I'm not even that high on Creg Kimberrel either, to

668
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:37,080
Speaker 2: be honest with you, you know where the bullpen's numbers overall

669
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 2: look good because they've had some guys pitch some bulk

670
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:43,800
Speaker 2: innings that have helped those numbers, but like, in high leverage,

671
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 2: especially the back end, it's not been good. And like

672
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 2: and if you and if you don't, if you don't

673
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 2: agree with me, just ask yourself this. When the game

674
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:54,160
Speaker 2: is close and Dave's bell is in or Rossill is in,

675
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:56,600
Speaker 2: do you feel good? Do you feel good about that?

676
00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:01,120
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't think anybody does. Dylan Lee has

677
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:05,200
Speaker 2: been good, Pierce Johnson's been pretty good overall. But yeah,

678
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:07,400
Speaker 2: I mean, bring Kimberll up. I don't care. I mean,

679
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:10,279
Speaker 2: what's what's it gonna hurt? I mean, it's not like

680
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:13,279
Speaker 2: they can suck anymore than they've sucked already, So yeah,

681
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:16,560
Speaker 2: bring him up. I would dfa Montero if if if

682
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:19,560
Speaker 2: Dasball needs to go on the IL, then yeah, bring

683
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:22,640
Speaker 2: him up. I mean I think I know, uh Ken

684
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:27,200
Speaker 2: Rosenthal reported this week he has some clause in his

685
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:33,400
Speaker 2: contract where apparently he can still accept offers from other teams,

686
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:35,680
Speaker 2: and if he gets a major league offer, then the

687
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:38,359
Speaker 2: team either has to let him go to that team

688
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:42,759
Speaker 2: or call him up themselves, which is very weird. I've

689
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:44,680
Speaker 2: never heard of that where a team a guy can

690
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:46,799
Speaker 2: be under contract with one team and still be like

691
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:52,239
Speaker 2: accepting offers from other teams. I didn't, I didn't. I

692
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 2: didn't dive into that fully, but I think that's what

693
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:58,399
Speaker 2: Rosenthal reported, so and you know who knows, But yeah,

694
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:02,440
Speaker 2: bring him up. I mean, what's it gonna hurt? Exactly?

695
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:05,919
Speaker 1: If you feel that something can improve this team right now,

696
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 1: what's it going to hurt? It's not what we've got

697
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:12,480
Speaker 1: going certainly has not been working to successful. So if

698
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:13,359
Speaker 1: you've got something like.

699
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 2: You're gonna mess not like you're gonna mess up the mojo,

700
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:18,040
Speaker 2: I mean, it's a dumpster fire right now.

701
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:21,560
Speaker 1: So yeah, absolutely, absolutely, And that gives us to the

702
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:25,200
Speaker 1: biggest point of all. Tomorrow is once again a must

703
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:27,279
Speaker 1: win game. And I'm not being dramatic. I'm not gonna

704
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:30,200
Speaker 1: sit here and sugarcoat that or put extra contents to it.

705
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:33,879
Speaker 1: The Brave's got to win tomorrow. Eleven fifteen games Central Time,

706
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 1: twelve fifteen Eastern Grant Holmes on the mound. I believe

707
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:39,120
Speaker 1: his last name is is. I know who he is,

708
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:41,640
Speaker 1: but his name is hard to pronounce. Brandon Fott, who's

709
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:44,319
Speaker 1: got a five point five e ra A so far

710
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:47,920
Speaker 1: this season for Arizona. You have played a team in

711
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:51,759
Speaker 1: Arizona that again is bottom five in the majors and

712
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 1: giving up runs, and you've scored one run off of

713
00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:00,960
Speaker 1: them that you actually produced that didn't come from an

714
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 1: era or come from a walk. That's got to change tomorrow,

715
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:09,320
Speaker 1: because if the Braves get swept in this series against Arizona,

716
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 1: they now are once again seven games under five hundred.

717
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:15,359
Speaker 1: They once again find themselves in a hole, and they

718
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:18,279
Speaker 1: once again are putting themselves in a position where you've

719
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:21,000
Speaker 1: got to go on a pivotal road trip out west

720
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:24,359
Speaker 1: against the Giants and then against Milwaukee, who's been very

721
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 1: hot as of late. Those are two teams who primarily

722
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:31,280
Speaker 1: are two of your biggest competitors for a wild card spot.

723
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:34,359
Speaker 1: You lose tomorrow, not only are you at your lowest

724
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 1: point in the season record wise, but now you're doing

725
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:39,239
Speaker 1: it right before probably what's going to prove to be

726
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:42,280
Speaker 1: the most pivotal road trip of the season. You've got

727
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:44,040
Speaker 1: to get the job done tomorrow.

728
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:44,719
Speaker 2: That's it.

729
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:48,360
Speaker 1: Nothing past tomorrow, the one game at a time philosophy.

730
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:51,279
Speaker 1: It's got to be there. The offense has to show up.

731
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:54,279
Speaker 1: You've got to get the job done tomorrow, or if

732
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:57,960
Speaker 1: you don't, the thing that we have tried to put off,

733
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:00,359
Speaker 1: try to put off, try to put off that may

734
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 1: just not be there this year. Those conversations are gonna

735
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:04,680
Speaker 1: get louder and they're gonna be valid.

736
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:08,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm actually very curious about the desperation level right

737
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:13,880
Speaker 2: now in that front office, Like are they contemplating firing

738
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 2: Tim Hyers? Like if I if we woke up tomorrow

739
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 2: and the Braves fired their hitting coach, I would not

740
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:26,320
Speaker 2: be stunned. Like this whole thing is just capsized and

741
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 2: uh very quickly. And like again, this is not a

742
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 2: team that can afford that stadium to be empty literally,

743
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:36,759
Speaker 2: I mean I mean afford literally, they cannot afford it

744
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:39,239
Speaker 2: for this stadium to be empty for the last two

745
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:43,840
Speaker 2: months of the season. So I'm very curiously what the

746
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:49,960
Speaker 2: desperation level is. There's no top prospects like in Triple A.

747
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 2: You know, Boston the Red Sox are playing like right

748
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:56,120
Speaker 2: now too. But you know they got Roman Anthony sitting

749
00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:58,400
Speaker 2: in in Triple A that they could call up for

750
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:02,360
Speaker 2: a spark. Braves don't have that. Braves don't have like

751
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 2: a top prospect just sitting in the wings ready to

752
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:07,759
Speaker 2: help out. They got profar coming back at the end

753
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:10,880
Speaker 2: of the month or you know, around then, around the

754
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:13,440
Speaker 2: All Star break, depending on how long it takes to rehab.

755
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:16,239
Speaker 2: But I mean by that point, the season could be

756
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:19,280
Speaker 2: in the toilet. I mean that's that's three weeks away,

757
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:22,719
Speaker 2: that's four weeks away. So there's no one coming to

758
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:25,800
Speaker 2: help there, just isn't. I mean, this is the group,

759
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 2: and so I'm very curious to see if, like if

760
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:33,040
Speaker 2: they if they go desperate. You know, everybody's telling me

761
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:35,320
Speaker 2: that Michael Harris needs to be demoted to Triple A.

762
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:41,719
Speaker 2: My my response to that is for who, I mean

763
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:46,800
Speaker 2: Jared Kelnick, is that is that any better? Like who

764
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:50,440
Speaker 2: Jared Kelnick can't hit either? At least Michael can play defense.

765
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:56,480
Speaker 2: I mean, they don't have anybody. So yeah, okay, you

766
00:38:56,480 --> 00:39:00,360
Speaker 2: want Michael demoted because he because he's hitting my crap. Okay,

767
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:06,279
Speaker 2: who's coming up? Who's coming up? So I'm in yeah,

768
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 2: there's no I mean, there's really no answers right now.

769
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 2: It's too early to make any significant trades. I mean again,

770
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 2: I think I would not be surprised off they fired

771
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:17,840
Speaker 2: the hit the hitting coach tomorrow or tonight. I really wouldn't.

772
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:21,799
Speaker 2: That's how bad it is right now. And they are

773
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:25,759
Speaker 2: in full desperation mode right now because if they get

774
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:27,359
Speaker 2: swept and then they have to go on the road

775
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:32,160
Speaker 2: to the Giants and the Brewers. I mean this this

776
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:37,640
Speaker 2: season could get away right here at this stretch. Now.

777
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:41,440
Speaker 1: I'm going to end in a positive note because.

778
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:42,759
Speaker 2: We were I don't have a positive note. So that's

779
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:45,520
Speaker 2: the fact that you even have a positive note is impressive.

780
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:51,879
Speaker 1: The last week last Thursday, last Thursday, we were to

781
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:54,760
Speaker 1: the point, if you remember, we were on the brink

782
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:56,840
Speaker 1: of saying that was the low point of the season.

783
00:39:57,560 --> 00:39:57,800
Speaker 2: A J.

784
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:00,839
Speaker 1: Smith shover had gotten hurt. We had lost a wild

785
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:02,759
Speaker 1: and crazy game where we had the chance to win

786
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:06,080
Speaker 1: late and we were facing Zach Wheeler where Chris sail

787
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:11,279
Speaker 1: on the mount and we got the job done. It's

788
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:15,200
Speaker 1: even more, it's even more of a low point now

789
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:17,319
Speaker 1: to where you've got to get the job done. So

790
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:22,319
Speaker 1: if you want one positive thing, as we raise up

791
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:28,239
Speaker 1: early tomorrow and look forward or not look forward to

792
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:29,120
Speaker 1: the Braves plan.

793
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:31,399
Speaker 2: Just a week I'm not looking forward.

794
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:33,960
Speaker 1: Just a week ago we were in the same position

795
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:37,239
Speaker 1: and the Braves got the job done. Now didn't mean

796
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:41,120
Speaker 1: anything forty eight hours later, But at some point it

797
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 1: can mean something once they do it. So I am

798
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:46,160
Speaker 1: here to say I agree with Stephen one hundred and

799
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:49,120
Speaker 1: fifty percent. We are in full desperation mode right now.

800
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:53,640
Speaker 1: Get the job done tomorrow, then actually have it mean

801
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:56,719
Speaker 1: something by it being the launching point for you to

802
00:40:56,760 --> 00:40:59,359
Speaker 1: get back going like you've done several years in a row.

803
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:04,880
Speaker 1: That's how you get it done. That's all I got, Stephen,

804
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:07,359
Speaker 1: you've got anything else. As we wrap with this edition

805
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:08,839
Speaker 1: of The Amber Territory Poticage.

806
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:09,920
Speaker 2: I guess I'll just I guess I'll end with this.

807
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:12,520
Speaker 2: I think I'm official to the point where my mindset

808
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:15,319
Speaker 2: is flipped where I am for all year I have

809
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:18,920
Speaker 2: watched them play like crap and have expected them to

810
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:21,080
Speaker 2: play better at some point, and I think I'm actually

811
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:24,680
Speaker 2: to the point now or even if they win tomorrow.

812
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:26,880
Speaker 2: I will kind of expect them to play like crap

813
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:30,799
Speaker 2: after that, and I know that suck. I don't want

814
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:32,560
Speaker 2: to be that way. I don't want to be pessimistic,

815
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:35,799
Speaker 2: but like I've just seen them, Like, all right, they play,

816
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:37,800
Speaker 2: they they had a good win, they beat Zach Wheeler.

817
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:41,000
Speaker 2: Maybe this is the start of something, and then they

818
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:44,040
Speaker 2: lose five out of the next six games or whatever

819
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:47,520
Speaker 2: where whatever it is. And so I mean, honestly, I

820
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 2: think I'm to that point where even if they win tomorrow,

821
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:51,920
Speaker 2: I'm assuming they're going to go to San Francisco and

822
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:54,799
Speaker 2: get drubbed. And I know that's the antithesis of what

823
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:57,440
Speaker 2: you just said of being positive. But you're a more

824
00:41:57,480 --> 00:42:01,920
Speaker 2: positive person than I am, quite honestly, and I respect

825
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 2: you for that. I'm envious of your positive attitude. I

826
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:07,960
Speaker 2: do not have a positive Even if they win tomorrow,

827
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:09,719
Speaker 2: I'm assuming they're gonna go to get San Francisco and

828
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 2: get drubbed and then go to Milwaukee and get dog

829
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 2: walked and then come home and get skull dragged. So

830
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:18,080
Speaker 2: like that's where I am right now. Is that is

831
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:20,520
Speaker 2: that right? No? But it's hard.

832
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:23,080
Speaker 1: It's hard to blame you because it's just it.

833
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:23,840
Speaker 2: It's hard to blame you.

834
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:26,799
Speaker 1: But I've done this before. Brad Rowland will be on

835
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:30,360
Speaker 1: the podcast tomorrow night, wrapping up the series with Arizona

836
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:33,520
Speaker 1: before looking at us going out west to the Giants.

837
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:35,759
Speaker 1: Plus we'll have a special guest. But I've done this before.

838
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:38,319
Speaker 1: But to put it out there into the universe, I've

839
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:41,320
Speaker 1: done it before. I'm gonna do it again. Hashtag big

840
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:44,360
Speaker 1: win for Brad, Brad Rowland and a special guest tomorrow.

841
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:50,800
Speaker 1: They deserve to cover a victory, big win for Brad. Whatever,

842
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:54,040
Speaker 1: some type of hashtag indicating to win for Brad. Put

843
00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:54,800
Speaker 1: it out there, Braves.

844
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 2: I think we're like oh for seven on hashtags.

845
00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 1: With Brad over seven, Steve, and then we might have

846
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:02,840
Speaker 1: to try so earlier this year. Just just go with it, Okay,

847
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:05,719
Speaker 1: Steven won't put the hashtag out there right after the game.

848
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 2: All of you. I'm just saying, I don't think I

849
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:09,600
Speaker 2: think we're oh I literally think we're over.

850
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:10,120
Speaker 3: I think.

851
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 2: Okay, Sorry, I'm in a bad movie.

852
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:16,719
Speaker 1: So I don't blame you. I don't I don't blame you.

853
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:19,560
Speaker 1: We're just we're trying to end it on a pauseitive note.

854
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:22,759
Speaker 1: All joking aside pleasure always being with you. Thank you

855
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:26,000
Speaker 1: very much for continuing to support and stick with us.

856
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:29,440
Speaker 1: I feel strongly I'm not gonna promise anymore because it's

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