1 00:00:03,560 --> 00:00:06,279 Speaker 1: Hi, get everybody on dan Hord and thanks for downloading 2 00:00:06,320 --> 00:00:12,640 Speaker 1: The Bengals Booth podcast The Let the Golden Age begin. Addition, 3 00:00:13,160 --> 00:00:17,080 Speaker 1: as I go in depth with the Bengals new defensive coordinator, 4 00:00:17,160 --> 00:00:20,239 Speaker 1: Al Golden, The Bengals Booth Podcast is brought to you 5 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:24,480 Speaker 1: by Paycore, Proud to be the Bengals official HR software provider, 6 00:00:24,800 --> 00:00:28,040 Speaker 1: by Alta Fiber, future proof fiber Internet designed to elevate 7 00:00:28,080 --> 00:00:30,920 Speaker 1: your home, business and community to a new level, and 8 00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:34,120 Speaker 1: by Kettering Health the best care for the best fans. 9 00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:38,080 Speaker 1: Kettering Health is the official healthcare provider of the Bengals. 10 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:40,640 Speaker 1: Now here's a quick reminder that you can have the 11 00:00:40,720 --> 00:00:43,840 Speaker 1: latest edition of this podcast delivered right to your phone, 12 00:00:43,880 --> 00:00:48,560 Speaker 1: tablet or computer by subscribing wherever you get your podcasts. 13 00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:52,680 Speaker 1: It's the greatest thing since a pair of rock legends 14 00:00:52,760 --> 00:00:56,640 Speaker 1: coming to pay Core Stadium this year. In addition to 15 00:00:56,680 --> 00:00:59,640 Speaker 1: announcing the hiring of Al Golden on Thursday, the Bengals 16 00:00:59,680 --> 00:01:03,480 Speaker 1: also shared the news that Billy Joel and Rod Stewart 17 00:01:03,520 --> 00:01:07,280 Speaker 1: are coming to pay Corps Stadium on September twentieth. I'm 18 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:11,200 Speaker 1: a sportscaster, so I like stats. Billy and Rod have 19 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:14,840 Speaker 1: won a combined total of seven Grammy Awards. They are 20 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:17,440 Speaker 1: both in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, and 21 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:19,920 Speaker 1: they have combined to sell more than two hundred and 22 00:01:19,959 --> 00:01:26,240 Speaker 1: seventy million records. Tickets will go on sale next week, Friday, 23 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:31,120 Speaker 1: January thirty first, at ten am, and they will go fast. 24 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:33,840 Speaker 1: I've got my fingers crossed and my teams will be 25 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:38,000 Speaker 1: home that weekend. If so, I will definitely be at 26 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:42,400 Speaker 1: the show. Now let's get to my guest. Al Golden 27 00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:45,679 Speaker 1: was the Bengals linebackers coach in twenty twenty and twenty 28 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:49,360 Speaker 1: twenty one, leaving after the Bengals played in Super Bowl 29 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:53,440 Speaker 1: fifty six to become the defensive coordinator at Notre Dame. 30 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:56,559 Speaker 1: His three years in South Bend ended with a trip 31 00:01:56,600 --> 00:02:00,520 Speaker 1: to this week's National Championship Game with a defense that 32 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:04,880 Speaker 1: finished number two in the country in fewest points allowed. 33 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:09,240 Speaker 1: Now he's returning to Cincinnati with the task of building 34 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:12,760 Speaker 1: a solid defense to go with one of the NFL's 35 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:18,440 Speaker 1: best offenses. After three years said Notre Dame, Al Golden 36 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:21,519 Speaker 1: is back here in Cincinnati. Is the Bengals defensive coordinator? 37 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:23,680 Speaker 1: Does this feel like a homecoming? Absolutely? 38 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:27,280 Speaker 2: This is really the only home my kids know, you know, 39 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:29,760 Speaker 2: my son went to Saint X. My girls are at Summit, 40 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:33,920 Speaker 2: you know, And this is the community that we didn't 41 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:35,840 Speaker 2: want to move them out of when we did take 42 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:36,760 Speaker 2: the new opportunity. 43 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 3: So I don't even have to relocate. 44 00:02:39,880 --> 00:02:42,600 Speaker 2: I'm the cheapest relocation in the history of coaching here 45 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:45,239 Speaker 2: at Cincinnati. But it's a blessing to be home and 46 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:47,239 Speaker 2: be surrounded by so many friends and family. 47 00:02:47,320 --> 00:02:49,600 Speaker 1: Well, it certainly suggests how much you and your family 48 00:02:49,639 --> 00:02:51,800 Speaker 1: loved it here. Why What was it about Cincinnati? 49 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:58,119 Speaker 2: The community, the relationships starting with this building, starting with Zach, 50 00:02:58,160 --> 00:03:00,720 Speaker 2: and obviously the culture that he's created, you know, the 51 00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:07,000 Speaker 2: Brown family and certainly the tentacles that you know that 52 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:12,000 Speaker 2: reached out to my kids, friends, their parents, you know, 53 00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:14,919 Speaker 2: all of those things, the high school relationships, all those things. 54 00:03:14,919 --> 00:03:17,160 Speaker 2: So it's it's a blessing to be back. 55 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 1: What about the job itself. What appeals to you about 56 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:22,359 Speaker 1: being the defensive coordinator of the Bengals? 57 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:24,520 Speaker 3: Well, Number one, the organization. 58 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:28,960 Speaker 2: I loved the organization when I was here, and the 59 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:34,200 Speaker 2: family atmosphere of it, the leadership of Zach. I enjoyed 60 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:37,240 Speaker 2: going to work every day and working with Zach and 61 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:39,680 Speaker 2: working with Darren Simmons and some of the people that 62 00:03:39,720 --> 00:03:43,520 Speaker 2: I'm I'm seeing already today upstairs. Duke and I can 63 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:45,720 Speaker 2: go on and on, but that you know, at the 64 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:48,200 Speaker 2: end of the day, everything's brick, brick and mortar, but 65 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:50,560 Speaker 2: it's the people that endure in your mind and the 66 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:54,560 Speaker 2: relationships and and for me that was a big part 67 00:03:54,600 --> 00:03:59,840 Speaker 2: of it. And obviously to be be here now with 68 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:03,200 Speaker 2: what's already here and what's already set up, and obviously 69 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:06,840 Speaker 2: having somebody like Joe being the leader of the organization 70 00:04:06,920 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 2: and being your quarterback makes it makes it ultra attractive. 71 00:04:10,760 --> 00:04:13,480 Speaker 1: I've seen some of these words associated with you as 72 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:19,520 Speaker 1: a football coach, flexible, energetic, collaborative. What are the core 73 00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:22,400 Speaker 1: principles of an al golden defense. 74 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:25,640 Speaker 2: Well, it all starts with the acronym best, right, So 75 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:30,240 Speaker 2: number one ball disruption. Put a premium on that. Our 76 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:32,920 Speaker 2: number one job is to support our quarterback. And people 77 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:34,560 Speaker 2: are like, you know, what does that mean As a 78 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:36,240 Speaker 2: defensive coordinator, We've got to get him the ball. 79 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:38,599 Speaker 3: So that's our number one job. 80 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:42,120 Speaker 2: Give him opportunities, the e and best his effort and 81 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:46,120 Speaker 2: attitude and finish s is. 82 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:47,480 Speaker 3: The situational masters. 83 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:50,480 Speaker 2: Just being great in the red zone, being being awesome 84 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:53,640 Speaker 2: on third down, understanding how to conduct a two minute drill, 85 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 2: and things of that nature. 86 00:04:55,080 --> 00:04:56,160 Speaker 3: And then t is tackling. 87 00:04:56,240 --> 00:05:00,560 Speaker 2: So those are the things that we really private ourselves on. 88 00:05:01,279 --> 00:05:05,280 Speaker 2: More than that, the overarching theme of our defense is empowerment. 89 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:08,400 Speaker 2: So at the end of the day, whether it's Logan, 90 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:12,560 Speaker 2: the safeties, whoever it is, they have to make, you know, 91 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:14,520 Speaker 2: the decisions on the grass, and we have to empower 92 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:16,400 Speaker 2: them as coaches to make the decisions and get us 93 00:05:16,440 --> 00:05:18,360 Speaker 2: in the best defense and make sure everybody's playing. 94 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:22,120 Speaker 3: You know, one unified call. 95 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:24,919 Speaker 1: You were here when the Bengals drafted Logan Wilson and 96 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 1: obviously helped develop him. How significant is it to have 97 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:31,000 Speaker 1: him still here to incorporate your defense. 98 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:32,720 Speaker 2: I just can't wait to see him, to be honest 99 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:35,880 Speaker 2: with you, he was one of my favorite players of 100 00:05:35,920 --> 00:05:38,240 Speaker 2: all time, just the way he conducted himself, the pro 101 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:40,840 Speaker 2: that he is. I know he got banged up a 102 00:05:40,839 --> 00:05:42,680 Speaker 2: little bit last year, so I know he's gonna have 103 00:05:42,680 --> 00:05:44,560 Speaker 2: a little edge to him, and and I want to 104 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:48,320 Speaker 2: help him every way I can maximize and become, you know, 105 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 2: the best player that he can possibly be, the best 106 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:54,640 Speaker 2: leader and I just can't wait to get to. 107 00:05:54,640 --> 00:05:55,159 Speaker 3: Work with him. 108 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:57,719 Speaker 1: Notre Dame was number one in the country each of 109 00:05:57,760 --> 00:06:01,159 Speaker 1: the last two years. And pass efficiency defense that is 110 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:04,440 Speaker 1: obviously so important in the NFL right now, What are 111 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:06,400 Speaker 1: some of the keys to defending the pass? 112 00:06:07,320 --> 00:06:09,520 Speaker 2: I think you have to be flexible. You said it earlier. 113 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:11,800 Speaker 2: I don't think you can be rigid in your system. 114 00:06:12,640 --> 00:06:15,960 Speaker 2: And you have to have a you know, an offense. 115 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:18,280 Speaker 2: You know, you have to have a defense that looks 116 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:20,159 Speaker 2: at the offense every week and says who and what 117 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:23,800 Speaker 2: can cause you to lose, and then obviously be malleable 118 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:28,680 Speaker 2: enough that you can adopt and adjust to what they 119 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:31,440 Speaker 2: do best and try to eliminate that. So part of 120 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:33,279 Speaker 2: being really good in past defense is you're not a 121 00:06:33,279 --> 00:06:36,320 Speaker 2: flight afraid to play different coverages. It can't just be 122 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:40,560 Speaker 2: locked into one thing. But give the quarterback different looks 123 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:43,520 Speaker 2: pre snap, change the look post snap, and just make 124 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:46,039 Speaker 2: sure you have enough that you're trying to direct the 125 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:47,719 Speaker 2: ball away from the things that they do best. 126 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:50,360 Speaker 1: How do you do that and be complex for the 127 00:06:50,400 --> 00:06:52,719 Speaker 1: opposing team's quarterback but still play fast? 128 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:57,360 Speaker 2: Well, you know, I think the biggest part of that 129 00:06:57,640 --> 00:07:01,640 Speaker 2: is to understand that the off season is critical. If 130 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:03,960 Speaker 2: you want to play fast during the season, you've got 131 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:07,040 Speaker 2: to push yourself through the off season. So the teaching, 132 00:07:07,600 --> 00:07:10,840 Speaker 2: the OTAs, the mini camps, all of those things are 133 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:14,640 Speaker 2: going to be critical. And I'm a big believer in 134 00:07:15,640 --> 00:07:17,920 Speaker 2: not walking in on a Tuesday and creating something, but 135 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:22,160 Speaker 2: rather drawing from the reservoir and saying, Okay, this is why. 136 00:07:21,960 --> 00:07:22,720 Speaker 3: We put this in. 137 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:25,800 Speaker 2: We put this in for this quarterback and this wide 138 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:28,160 Speaker 2: receiver or this tight end, and this is the week 139 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:29,679 Speaker 2: we're going to use it. And now all of a sudden, 140 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:34,480 Speaker 2: the players have recall and that's what breeds you know, confidence, 141 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:39,080 Speaker 2: that's what breeds success and ultimately allows them to play fast. 142 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:42,560 Speaker 1: How valuable is your time in the AFC North. 143 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 2: Well, I think it's really I think it's really valuable. 144 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:47,640 Speaker 2: Everything that we're going to do is on the backdrop 145 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:50,920 Speaker 2: of the AFC North. So you know, how we take 146 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:54,120 Speaker 2: the ball away, how we tackle, the drills that we do, 147 00:07:54,400 --> 00:07:59,320 Speaker 2: the things that we need to you know, defend are 148 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:01,360 Speaker 2: all going to be on the backdrop of of the 149 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:06,000 Speaker 2: AFC North in the off season. So everything starts with 150 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:08,600 Speaker 2: with the division. That's how we got there the last time. 151 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:12,400 Speaker 2: And you know, once you get in the tournament, we're 152 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:14,200 Speaker 2: gonna be tough to beat with the quarterback that we have. 153 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:18,600 Speaker 1: How close these days are coaching at college defense and 154 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:19,679 Speaker 1: coaching an NFL dese? 155 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:23,000 Speaker 2: I think that's that's a great question, because it's really 156 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:25,920 Speaker 2: it's blurred a lot more than it was a decade ago. 157 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:29,680 Speaker 2: You just see, you know, more quarterback runs now, more RPOs, 158 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:33,400 Speaker 2: And I think the biggest thing that college teaches you 159 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:36,480 Speaker 2: is you have to have a very very flexible system 160 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:39,360 Speaker 2: because you could be playing Navy one week and and 161 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:42,040 Speaker 2: then you know, Florida State the next week or USC 162 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:47,880 Speaker 2: so every every every offense is is of its own DNA, 163 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:49,360 Speaker 2: you know, and you've got to be able to be 164 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:51,840 Speaker 2: flexible enough and have a system that that you know, 165 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:55,439 Speaker 2: can bend and contort to solve the problems that each presents. 166 00:08:56,360 --> 00:08:59,839 Speaker 1: You mentioned Joe Burrow earlier. You've got Joe, You've got Jamar. 167 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:03,400 Speaker 1: You've got tremendous players on offense that are obviously well 168 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:06,440 Speaker 1: compensated as they should be. They're worth every penny, but 169 00:09:06,559 --> 00:09:09,400 Speaker 1: that means there's less money to spend elsewhere, and the 170 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:11,560 Speaker 1: Bengals are going to have to have young players on 171 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:14,640 Speaker 1: defense that's just the way it works. Is your college 172 00:09:14,679 --> 00:09:17,319 Speaker 1: experience helpful in developing those young guys? 173 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:19,440 Speaker 2: I think development is at the core of everything that 174 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:23,480 Speaker 2: we do on defense and making sure that we're great 175 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:26,520 Speaker 2: at you know, ball disruption, we're awesome at tackling, and 176 00:09:26,559 --> 00:09:28,160 Speaker 2: that we understand the situations. 177 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:29,959 Speaker 3: And then once the guys. 178 00:09:29,760 --> 00:09:31,560 Speaker 2: Understand that this is what we want, how do we 179 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:33,880 Speaker 2: refine it and quality control it and get better And 180 00:09:34,920 --> 00:09:38,720 Speaker 2: ultimately to empower means to give them the culture so 181 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:40,720 Speaker 2: that they're handing it down to the next group, or 182 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:43,240 Speaker 2: you know, if the veterans come in and they're learning 183 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:45,520 Speaker 2: it now, we draft some guys or bring some guys 184 00:09:45,559 --> 00:09:48,200 Speaker 2: in that they can manage it in the locker room, 185 00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:51,240 Speaker 2: and that's how it catches fire. And so I think 186 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:54,720 Speaker 2: if we're going to be young, that's great, but it 187 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:56,920 Speaker 2: doesn't mean we can't execute a really, really high level. 188 00:09:57,000 --> 00:10:01,360 Speaker 2: And there are no excuses at this level. Certainly, you know, 189 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:03,280 Speaker 2: we're on the clock and we got to get to work. 190 00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:06,240 Speaker 1: As you know from your previous experience here, the assistant 191 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:09,520 Speaker 1: coaches have a significant voice in the drafting process and 192 00:10:09,559 --> 00:10:12,640 Speaker 1: in the free agency process. Is that's something that appealed 193 00:10:12,679 --> 00:10:14,240 Speaker 1: to you about coming back. 194 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:14,679 Speaker 3: No question. 195 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:19,240 Speaker 2: I think it's a very very collaborative, you know system 196 00:10:19,280 --> 00:10:22,199 Speaker 2: in terms of that process, you know, the free agency 197 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:24,599 Speaker 2: and then ultimately the draft, and I love to be 198 00:10:24,679 --> 00:10:26,559 Speaker 2: in a part of that. I loved having a voice 199 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:30,080 Speaker 2: and more than anything, just share the vision. It was 200 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:33,440 Speaker 2: the vision of the linebackers, you know, four and five 201 00:10:33,520 --> 00:10:38,360 Speaker 2: years ago, and now it's more just the vision of 202 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:41,200 Speaker 2: how we see the pieces coming together and what we 203 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:43,840 Speaker 2: need to you know, to really operate. 204 00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:46,080 Speaker 3: You know, for a twenty one game season. 205 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:48,960 Speaker 1: What are some of the biggest things you look for 206 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:50,880 Speaker 1: with evaluating defensive talent? 207 00:10:51,640 --> 00:10:54,480 Speaker 2: I think football IQ is really important, you know. I 208 00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:58,560 Speaker 2: always say, like it's pretty easy to see guys that 209 00:10:58,559 --> 00:11:00,800 Speaker 2: are outstanding on tape. You can look at them and 210 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:05,320 Speaker 2: see that they're they're just different athletically. But what's going 211 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:09,400 Speaker 2: to endure in in this locker room and in the 212 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:12,280 Speaker 2: NFL in general is the process? 213 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:12,640 Speaker 3: Right? 214 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:15,319 Speaker 2: You know, do they have a process? Are they jim rats? 215 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:17,440 Speaker 2: Do they love being around the film room? Are they 216 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:19,400 Speaker 2: are they hanging around the weight room or it's trying 217 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:23,160 Speaker 2: to get extras, uh, stretching and things of that nature. 218 00:11:24,760 --> 00:11:27,360 Speaker 2: What's their football IQ like? You know, are they audible, 219 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:30,160 Speaker 2: are they demonstrative? You know, did they lead their defense? 220 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:32,720 Speaker 2: You know, if you're looking at linebackers, did you run 221 00:11:32,760 --> 00:11:34,280 Speaker 2: your defense? It's really important. 222 00:11:34,760 --> 00:11:38,640 Speaker 3: Safeties, communication, Those are just some of the things. 223 00:11:38,679 --> 00:11:39,920 Speaker 2: I mean, I can go on and on, but I 224 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:42,120 Speaker 2: think ultimately, you know, you have you have to have one, 225 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:44,000 Speaker 2: you know, a bunch of guys that are confident, that 226 00:11:44,080 --> 00:11:47,960 Speaker 2: are that we're leaders in their organization, that are verbal 227 00:11:48,040 --> 00:11:51,400 Speaker 2: and can solve problems on the grass because the way 228 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:54,120 Speaker 2: offenses these days, a lot of you know, you can't 229 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:56,040 Speaker 2: have the perfect call. You got to get us into 230 00:11:56,040 --> 00:11:58,160 Speaker 2: a call that everybody's on the same page and we 231 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:00,160 Speaker 2: can operate as one on. 232 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:02,120 Speaker 1: With all in a moment. But first, a quick reminder 233 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:04,199 Speaker 1: that the Bengals Booth podcast is brought to you by 234 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:08,440 Speaker 1: pay Corps, proud to be the Bengals Official HR software provider, 235 00:12:08,760 --> 00:12:11,960 Speaker 1: by Alta Fiber future proof Fiber Internet designed to elevate 236 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:15,120 Speaker 1: your home, business, and community to a new level, and 237 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 1: by Kettering Health the best care for the best fans. 238 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:22,760 Speaker 1: Kettering Health is the official healthcare provider of the Bengals. 239 00:12:23,280 --> 00:12:26,400 Speaker 1: You've got the NFL SAC leader on your defense in 240 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:28,960 Speaker 1: Trey Hendrickson. Obviously you worked with Trey in the Super 241 00:12:28,960 --> 00:12:32,760 Speaker 1: Bowl season in twenty twenty one. What's he mean to 242 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:33,920 Speaker 1: the Cincinnati. 243 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:36,800 Speaker 2: D fierce competitor. I just remember what a fierce competitor 244 00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:40,440 Speaker 2: he was and how much it meant to him. And ultimately, 245 00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:42,880 Speaker 2: you know, our job is going to be just you know, 246 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:45,320 Speaker 2: number one, get them into passing downs, get them into 247 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:48,240 Speaker 2: throwing downs, get them into third and longer so that 248 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:50,920 Speaker 2: we can use his strengths. And then from there, our 249 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:53,160 Speaker 2: job is to get him the matchup that we need 250 00:12:53,559 --> 00:12:55,600 Speaker 2: for him to continue to play at a really, really 251 00:12:55,679 --> 00:13:00,600 Speaker 2: high level. And I've always admired him from day one, 252 00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:04,120 Speaker 2: just how explosive he was and how tough he was 253 00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:07,160 Speaker 2: and how competitive he was. And you know, the one 254 00:13:07,160 --> 00:13:09,319 Speaker 2: thing about that Super Bowl year, Trey, you know, played 255 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:12,640 Speaker 2: his best when his best was needed, and he he was, 256 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:15,000 Speaker 2: you know, awesome there. And I can't wait to be 257 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:16,280 Speaker 2: reacquainted with him. 258 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:18,760 Speaker 1: Is it a priority to add pass rushing help? 259 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:19,559 Speaker 3: Always? 260 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:23,920 Speaker 2: Always, if you have an offense that scores, uh, and 261 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:25,920 Speaker 2: you could take the ball away and and and be 262 00:13:25,960 --> 00:13:27,880 Speaker 2: good in the red zone and be good on third down, 263 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:30,560 Speaker 2: you know, you hope you're playing with the lead a lot, 264 00:13:30,640 --> 00:13:32,840 Speaker 2: and uh, if you're playing with the lead, you got 265 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:35,560 Speaker 2: to have pass rushers and and that that that doesn't 266 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:38,559 Speaker 2: just mean the four down pass rushers can come from 267 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:42,199 Speaker 2: anywhere in terms of the linebacker group, longer linebackers, guys 268 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:44,800 Speaker 2: that can move to the edge or move around and 269 00:13:45,040 --> 00:13:47,719 Speaker 2: give us rushes anywhere. But it's all about finding the 270 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:50,440 Speaker 2: matchups that you need on third down and and obviously 271 00:13:51,600 --> 00:13:54,400 Speaker 2: make making sure that everybody that contributes on defense is 272 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:56,600 Speaker 2: doing what they do best. 273 00:13:56,800 --> 00:13:59,720 Speaker 1: Do you feel like it's important to add size inside, 274 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:02,360 Speaker 1: particularly playing six games in the AFC. 275 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:06,160 Speaker 2: North, no doubt, especially with the running attacks that we'll see. 276 00:14:06,280 --> 00:14:08,640 Speaker 2: I haven't looked at the schedule yet. Overall, that's something 277 00:14:08,640 --> 00:14:11,040 Speaker 2: we'll do in the off season. But obviously if you 278 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:13,840 Speaker 2: can stop the run, and more importantly than that is 279 00:14:13,920 --> 00:14:15,800 Speaker 2: you can't always play an out number box in this 280 00:14:15,880 --> 00:14:18,120 Speaker 2: day and age in the NFL, and so you need 281 00:14:18,160 --> 00:14:20,280 Speaker 2: some guys that can gap in half or get the 282 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:23,080 Speaker 2: ball on the ground without having an out number box. 283 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:27,000 Speaker 2: And I think that's where the scheme is important. That's 284 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:30,560 Speaker 2: where having that size and strength and you know, those 285 00:14:30,600 --> 00:14:32,640 Speaker 2: are the guys that you know we're hoping to move 286 00:14:32,680 --> 00:14:36,520 Speaker 2: forward with you know, in the future, what's your base, Well, 287 00:14:36,600 --> 00:14:40,080 Speaker 2: for two nickels, the base if it was twelve or 288 00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:41,760 Speaker 2: twenty one personnel, probably four to three. 289 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:44,120 Speaker 3: But it's going to be flexible. 290 00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:47,160 Speaker 2: It's not just you know, this is you know, we're 291 00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:48,280 Speaker 2: not just wooden statues. 292 00:14:48,840 --> 00:14:49,040 Speaker 3: You know. 293 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:53,000 Speaker 2: We we try to provide different looks and be crafty 294 00:14:53,040 --> 00:14:55,720 Speaker 2: with that. And I think once we get in here 295 00:14:55,760 --> 00:14:57,480 Speaker 2: and we see our personnel, we'll go We'll do it 296 00:14:57,600 --> 00:14:58,920 Speaker 2: our what our guys do best. 297 00:14:59,320 --> 00:15:03,360 Speaker 1: Notre Dame had viper position. What is that? And is 298 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:05,080 Speaker 1: that something you will try to incorporate? 299 00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:07,240 Speaker 3: And since it is, what do we call him here? 300 00:15:07,280 --> 00:15:09,000 Speaker 3: The rush or what's he called here? 301 00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:12,120 Speaker 2: Do you know the combination kind of outside back rush 302 00:15:12,200 --> 00:15:14,400 Speaker 2: and yeah, so it's uh, I think that's what it 303 00:15:14,440 --> 00:15:15,960 Speaker 2: was called here when I left. 304 00:15:16,520 --> 00:15:18,640 Speaker 3: It's the same thing. It's just different nomenclature. 305 00:15:18,680 --> 00:15:21,120 Speaker 2: But at the end of the day, somebody that has 306 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:24,520 Speaker 2: the flexibility to you know, rush the pasture, but enough 307 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:28,400 Speaker 2: athleticism to drop and obviously enough length to set the 308 00:15:28,520 --> 00:15:29,720 Speaker 2: edge when when called on. 309 00:15:30,160 --> 00:15:32,480 Speaker 1: It's been reported that Jerry Montgomery is going to be 310 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:34,960 Speaker 1: the defensive line coach. Do you have a pre existing 311 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:37,240 Speaker 1: relationship with Jerry and what can you tell us about. 312 00:15:37,040 --> 00:15:38,960 Speaker 2: Him just going against him when I was in the 313 00:15:39,400 --> 00:15:42,080 Speaker 2: NFC North with the Lions, just going against him, how 314 00:15:42,120 --> 00:15:44,520 Speaker 2: much respect we had for him, obviously had Mike Daniels 315 00:15:44,520 --> 00:15:47,760 Speaker 2: back then and Mike's hey day in his prime. 316 00:15:49,160 --> 00:15:50,200 Speaker 3: I know Mike thinks the. 317 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:53,320 Speaker 2: World of him, and and I've had some interaction with 318 00:15:53,400 --> 00:15:56,160 Speaker 2: him and just really really impressed with the way he 319 00:15:56,200 --> 00:16:00,640 Speaker 2: operates his room, and and you know what he believes 320 00:16:00,640 --> 00:16:03,240 Speaker 2: in and how he operates on a daily basis. 321 00:16:03,240 --> 00:16:04,680 Speaker 3: So excited to get going with him. 322 00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:10,000 Speaker 1: Any thoughts on how to try to avoid a slow start, Well, 323 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:12,600 Speaker 1: I think, you know, when you talk about something like that, 324 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:17,560 Speaker 1: I think that's more we get together, you know, you know, 325 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:22,480 Speaker 1: pitch coach Simmons, myself, Zach, the staff in general, and 326 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:24,000 Speaker 1: and that's kind of an in house thing, like what 327 00:16:24,040 --> 00:16:26,560 Speaker 1: do we need to do in house wise to solve 328 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:30,240 Speaker 1: that problem because obviously that that's that's a sensitive subject 329 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:32,880 Speaker 1: in terms of you know, we all know that that's. 330 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:35,440 Speaker 2: Something that will be on the dock at this offseason 331 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:38,960 Speaker 2: in terms of starting faster, But in terms of giving 332 00:16:38,960 --> 00:16:41,080 Speaker 2: you ideas, I think that would that would you know, 333 00:16:41,880 --> 00:16:44,240 Speaker 2: it's it's best to keep that in house and and 334 00:16:44,280 --> 00:16:45,240 Speaker 2: work through Zach on that. 335 00:16:45,680 --> 00:16:47,640 Speaker 1: What are some of the first things on your plate 336 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:48,720 Speaker 1: for this job. 337 00:16:49,400 --> 00:16:51,920 Speaker 2: Well, take a deep breath, you know, make sure we 338 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:53,760 Speaker 2: get we get the right guys on the bus in 339 00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:57,240 Speaker 2: terms of hiring, and make sure everybody's compatible with what 340 00:16:57,280 --> 00:16:57,880 Speaker 2: we want to do. 341 00:16:58,040 --> 00:16:59,000 Speaker 3: That's really important. 342 00:16:59,280 --> 00:17:01,800 Speaker 2: There's so many great coaches in the NFL, and the 343 00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:06,280 Speaker 2: most important thing is compatibility and supporting each other and 344 00:17:06,600 --> 00:17:08,600 Speaker 2: making sure you're all on the same page page in 345 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:10,720 Speaker 2: terms of what you want to teach. I think the 346 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:13,760 Speaker 2: other thing then is you know, the acquisition of talent. 347 00:17:13,840 --> 00:17:15,760 Speaker 2: You know what where do we need to go, and 348 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:19,600 Speaker 2: you know whether it's the retention of certain guys. But 349 00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:21,199 Speaker 2: those are all the decisions that are going to be 350 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:24,240 Speaker 2: made here in the next month, and I'm looking forward 351 00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:26,680 Speaker 2: to getting to work on that and obviously getting reacquainted 352 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:30,439 Speaker 2: with so many guys that we shared great things with 353 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:30,960 Speaker 2: a couple. 354 00:17:30,760 --> 00:17:31,280 Speaker 3: Of years ago. 355 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:33,960 Speaker 1: How closely have you stayed in contact with Zach and 356 00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:35,320 Speaker 1: how closely have you followed the team. 357 00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:36,879 Speaker 3: I'm not a big. 358 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:40,200 Speaker 2: You know, I'm not a big phone guy or whatever, 359 00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:42,160 Speaker 2: But I think the one thing is just how much 360 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:44,199 Speaker 2: respect that I've had for Zach and just wishing him 361 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:48,879 Speaker 2: good luck and then he doing the same. Or whether 362 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:51,600 Speaker 2: you know Darren Simmons or Joey Bose or whoever it is, 363 00:17:51,680 --> 00:17:55,919 Speaker 2: you know, just guys that I have an incredible familiarity 364 00:17:56,280 --> 00:18:00,280 Speaker 2: with respect for. And then just knowing how hard to is, 365 00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:03,879 Speaker 2: you know, to win and win consistently, and and just 366 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:06,160 Speaker 2: making sure those guys know we're always We're always thinking 367 00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:08,320 Speaker 2: of them. We were great fans when we weren't here, 368 00:18:08,359 --> 00:18:11,040 Speaker 2: and uh, just an honor to be back and uh 369 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:12,880 Speaker 2: and and call ourselves Bangles again. 370 00:18:13,480 --> 00:18:16,280 Speaker 1: What are your most vivid memories of Super Bowl fifty six? 371 00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:21,879 Speaker 2: The probably the most vivid memory is probably not a 372 00:18:21,920 --> 00:18:22,760 Speaker 2: great one. 373 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:24,600 Speaker 3: It was when the confetti was falling. 374 00:18:25,840 --> 00:18:29,960 Speaker 2: Just it was surreal, you know, uh, that that it 375 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:32,399 Speaker 2: was over and we and we came up short. And 376 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:36,360 Speaker 2: I think, you know, having been in the last game 377 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:39,280 Speaker 2: of the year, you know, three years apart is something special. 378 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:42,919 Speaker 2: And uh, I know Zach feels this way. You know, 379 00:18:43,280 --> 00:18:44,880 Speaker 2: we got to do everything we can to get back 380 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:48,840 Speaker 2: there and and hopefully rewrite that last little script. 381 00:18:49,280 --> 00:18:51,840 Speaker 1: You came down to meet with me right after being 382 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:55,200 Speaker 1: upstairs and meeting with Mike Brown. What is it about 383 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:59,320 Speaker 1: Mike that allowed you to develop a tight bond with him? 384 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:03,119 Speaker 2: Number One, He's so easy to talk to. It's like 385 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:07,400 Speaker 2: talking to your father or grandfather. I just think he's 386 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:09,679 Speaker 2: a people's person. You know, he's part of the fabric 387 00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:12,840 Speaker 2: of the community. And that's the thing I think, just 388 00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:15,720 Speaker 2: the family just you know, you're walking in you get 389 00:19:15,760 --> 00:19:20,200 Speaker 2: hugs from Katie and Troy and Elizabeth and Caroline and 390 00:19:20,920 --> 00:19:24,560 Speaker 2: PB and just it's just it's a you know, you 391 00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:28,240 Speaker 2: feel like you're part of a family and it makes 392 00:19:28,280 --> 00:19:31,640 Speaker 2: you feel good because you feel like that in some way, 393 00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:34,200 Speaker 2: maybe you improved it the last time you were here 394 00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:37,600 Speaker 2: and maybe that's why this opportunity was available now. 395 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:39,800 Speaker 3: But mister Brown is. 396 00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:44,800 Speaker 2: You know, it's amazing for him, you know, to be 397 00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:48,880 Speaker 2: you know, still hands on and it means the world 398 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:49,280 Speaker 2: to him. 399 00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:50,560 Speaker 3: And what would be what. 400 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:52,680 Speaker 2: Would be more meaningful for all of us to bring 401 00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:53,800 Speaker 2: a championship to him. 402 00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:56,400 Speaker 1: There are a lot of Cincinnati connections on the Notre 403 00:19:56,480 --> 00:20:00,640 Speaker 1: Dame staff, Marcus Freeman, obviously, Gino Goodueling, Mike Nickens and others. 404 00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:04,280 Speaker 1: Did you guys talk about Cincinnati frequently? 405 00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:04,800 Speaker 3: Crazy? 406 00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:07,479 Speaker 2: We're all fans. I mean, we're all no, we all 407 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:10,280 Speaker 2: wanted the Bengals to win, you know. And uh, you 408 00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:12,600 Speaker 2: know Doug Rossfeld, you know, he was coaching at Moeller 409 00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:15,080 Speaker 2: when I was, you know, head. 410 00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:15,640 Speaker 3: Coach in college. 411 00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:17,440 Speaker 2: You know, so I would I would you know, go 412 00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:20,320 Speaker 2: by there or he sent us some players and that 413 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:24,360 Speaker 2: kind of thing. So just that the connections are are. 414 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:27,840 Speaker 2: There's no escape in those connections. And the one thing 415 00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:30,800 Speaker 2: that everybody says is the same thing, the sense of 416 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:35,200 Speaker 2: community here, how special the place is. And uh, it's 417 00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:38,080 Speaker 2: a place that a lot of people love to call home. 418 00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:41,040 Speaker 2: You know, these these high schools in this area. This 419 00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:44,560 Speaker 2: is like colleges in other places. The alumni, the sense 420 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:47,080 Speaker 2: of family. Uh, and it doesn't matter, you know, where 421 00:20:47,119 --> 00:20:50,280 Speaker 2: you go in this area. It's just amazing how proud 422 00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:52,359 Speaker 2: people are to say that I went to mol I 423 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:54,480 Speaker 2: went to say An, Next, I went to Elder. You know, 424 00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:57,320 Speaker 2: I can go on and on, but you get the idea. 425 00:20:57,359 --> 00:20:59,119 Speaker 2: It's just a it's just a really special place. 426 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:02,960 Speaker 1: He been very successful college head coach at Temple in Miami. 427 00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:06,199 Speaker 1: You coach offense and defense in the NFL. You've been 428 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:09,920 Speaker 1: a defensive coordinator at a couple of stops in college football. 429 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:13,920 Speaker 1: How have all of these experiences added up to make 430 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:16,840 Speaker 1: you the person that can help take the Cincinnati defense 431 00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:17,680 Speaker 1: to the next level. 432 00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:20,480 Speaker 2: Well, I think you know you talked earlier about being 433 00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:21,800 Speaker 2: flexible and being collaborative. 434 00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:23,080 Speaker 3: I think those are those are. 435 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:26,680 Speaker 2: You know, everybody wants to be empowered, And how people 436 00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:29,080 Speaker 2: work best is when you give them a job to 437 00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:31,240 Speaker 2: do and then you give them all the resources, time, 438 00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:35,040 Speaker 2: energy they need to be successful on it. And for me, 439 00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:38,280 Speaker 2: I think I do a really good job and plotting 440 00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:40,280 Speaker 2: the course and then letting the guys work, you know, 441 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:44,320 Speaker 2: and being there to support every every you know, every 442 00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:47,000 Speaker 2: step of the way. And I think whatever it takes 443 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:49,920 Speaker 2: for us to add up to more. Like at the 444 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:51,680 Speaker 2: end of the day, that's what the NFL is. It's 445 00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:54,280 Speaker 2: like Nascar, right, everybody's got the same car, everybody's got 446 00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:56,840 Speaker 2: the same tires, everybody's got the same gas. You know, 447 00:21:56,880 --> 00:21:58,919 Speaker 2: how do we how do how does our you know, 448 00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:02,400 Speaker 2: our culture to collect capacity of our people create more 449 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:07,400 Speaker 2: value on any given Sunday than our opponents. And that's 450 00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:09,399 Speaker 2: what we're trying to do. And I think that starts 451 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:12,080 Speaker 2: with our leadership in Zach and Darren and Pitch and 452 00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:16,040 Speaker 2: myself and obviously if everybody on the staff feels like 453 00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:17,960 Speaker 2: they have a voice and they feel like they have 454 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:23,719 Speaker 2: something to contribute, then man, I'm going to you know, ideas, 455 00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:24,960 Speaker 2: ideas are important. 456 00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:27,960 Speaker 1: Great to have you back, Appreciate your time to work 457 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:28,440 Speaker 1: with you again. 458 00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:29,040 Speaker 3: Great to see you. 459 00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:31,879 Speaker 1: That's going to do it for this episode of the 460 00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:34,840 Speaker 1: Bengals Booth Podcast, brought to you by pay Core, Proud 461 00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:38,679 Speaker 1: to be the Bengals Official HR software provider, by Alta 462 00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:41,840 Speaker 1: Fiber future proof fiber Internet designed to elevate your home, 463 00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:45,200 Speaker 1: business and community to a new level, and by Kettering 464 00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:48,520 Speaker 1: Health the best care for the best fans. 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