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Speaker 2: All right, let's go ahead and get to this sermon,

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Speaker 2: which became quite controversial. A bishop who was presiding over

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Speaker 2: services at the National Cathedral that Trump and Vance and

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Speaker 2: the whole family attended after the inauguration had a special

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Speaker 2: message for the president that ruffled quite a lot of feathers.

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Speaker 2: Let's say to listen to what she had to say.

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Speaker 3: Let me make one final please, mister President, millions have

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Speaker 3: put their trust you, and as you told the nation yesterday,

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Speaker 3: you have felt the providential hand of a loving God

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Speaker 3: in the name of our God, I ask you to

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Speaker 3: have mercy upon the people in our country who are scared. Now.

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Speaker 3: There are gay, lesbian, and transgender children in democratic, Republican

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Speaker 3: and independent families, some who fear for their lives. And

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Speaker 3: the people, the people who pick our crops and clean

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Speaker 3: our office buildings, who labor in poultry farms and meat

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Speaker 3: packing plants, who wash the dishes after we eat in restaurants,

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Speaker 3: and work the night shifts in hospitals. They may not

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Speaker 3: be citizens or have the proper documentation, but the vast

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Speaker 3: majoritydi of immigrants are not criminals. They pay taxes and

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Speaker 3: our good neighbors. They are faithful members of our churches

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Speaker 3: and mosques, synagogues, widhara and temples. Our God teaches us

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Speaker 3: that we are to be merciful to the stranger, for

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Speaker 3: we will all want strangers in this land.

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Speaker 2: So this triggered a total meltdown and angry freak out

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Speaker 2: on the right, which went up to and included the

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Speaker 2: President himself. We could put Trump's response here up on

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Speaker 2: the screen. The so called bishop who spoke of the

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Speaker 2: national prea service on Tuesday morning was a radical left,

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Speaker 2: hardline Trump hater. She brought her church into the world

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Speaker 2: of politics and very ungraterus. She was nasty in town,

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Speaker 2: not compelling or smart. Failed to mention the large number

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Speaker 2: of illegal migrants that came into our country and killed people.

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Speaker 2: Many were depositive from jails and mentalans that that party

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Speaker 2: just makes up. It's a giant crime wave that has

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Speaker 2: taken place in the USA. Also not true. Apart from

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Speaker 2: her inappropriate statements, the service was a very boring and

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Speaker 2: uninspiring one. She's not very good at her job. She

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Speaker 2: and her church ohe the public and apology for a

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Speaker 2: very basic message of Christian mercy.

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Speaker 1: And this is what I'm pass We're atheists, Okay, this

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Speaker 1: is what an atheist libs version of Christianity.

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Speaker 2: But hold on a second, what is what part of

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Speaker 2: what she said first of all offends you, and second

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Speaker 2: of all, what part of it is dissonant with the

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Speaker 2: teachings of Jesus.

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Speaker 1: I'm not a Look, I'm not a Christian, so I

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Speaker 1: won't get into the differences of Episcopal versus Catholic and

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Speaker 1: all of that. And by the way, many of my

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Speaker 1: episcopal friends exact complaint about the Episcopal church is exactly

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Speaker 1: about this. Basically, they'll ordain anybody and that's why there's

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Speaker 1: actual doctrine that it sticks to. But this is getting

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Speaker 1: to Christian explain it to other people. It drives me nuts,

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Speaker 1: not only with her or with others, which with the

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Speaker 1: people who are what is it like preachers who are

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Speaker 1: take the pulpits under their tax free status and then

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Speaker 1: here again like you're watching this message of this like

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Speaker 1: And so that's why it annoys the crap out of me,

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Speaker 1: my Christian friends, for them, it's a bastardization of their religion.

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Speaker 1: But beyond that, it's really just about the bigger point

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Speaker 1: anybody out there, the Christians themselves can't even agree on

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Speaker 1: preaching and all this other political activism. I think all

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Speaker 2: Totally incredibly hypocritical for the right to complain about politics

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Speaker 2: in the church when I mean the moral majority like

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Speaker 2: explicitly argue with Volwell to vote for Ronald Reagan. Politics

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Speaker 2: go to any of these megachurches, and it is super political.

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Speaker 2: And the truth of the matter is, though, I mean,

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Speaker 2: to the extent that politics and religion both have to

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Speaker 2: I don't think you can really extricate politics completely from religion.

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Speaker 2: But what's interesting to me, I mean.

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Speaker 1: That's what they say, so that's their justification for what's

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Speaker 2: What's interesting to me, though, is that you know, I'm

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Speaker 2: also not like you know, an expert on the Bible. However,

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Speaker 2: the you know, the teachings on immigrants in particular seem

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Speaker 2: to be pretty consistent and about things like compassion and

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Speaker 2: remembering their humanity. I mean, just here's one verse. He

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Speaker 2: And you are to love those who are foreigners, for

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Speaker 2: you yourselves were foreigners in Egypt. So to me, it's

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Speaker 2: very telling that there is such a vociferous, angry reaction

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Speaker 2: to someone who's who didn't even say like, don't deport them,

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Speaker 2: or don't do this, or he just said, you know,

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Speaker 2: Like to me, to me, that seems as.

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Speaker 1: What does compassion means? Let you stay here forever? Right?

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Speaker 2: That well, she didn't say that implication, But to me,

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Speaker 2: the fact that there is such outrage at the by

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Speaker 2: I think is entirely consistent with the teachings of the Bible.

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Speaker 2: And you know, the message of Christianity and Jesus Christ,

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Speaker 2: et cetera. That that would be received so angrily is

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Speaker 2: to me just it's very telling because.

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Speaker 1: Because the policy implication Crystal, which is when she says compassion,

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Speaker 1: Transgender are afraid. It's like, yeah, because we want not

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Speaker 2: But what's so much that's with her view and there's anything.

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Speaker 1: Wrong with it, But you're talking in Jesus, that's the issue.

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Speaker 2: You're also putting words in her mouth that.

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Speaker 1: She did it that she didn't say, so.

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Speaker 2: If you know, she's allowed to have her religious faith

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Speaker 2: and interpretation of this, and the fact that there was

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Speaker 2: to these groups because they also are human beings and

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Speaker 2: they're also like, you know, fearful in this moment, which

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Speaker 2: I can tell you is definitely one hundred percent true.

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Speaker 2: I think that I think it displays that there's just

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Speaker 2: I think it's possible to say I have compassion for

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Speaker 2: these people, but also obviously this in the view I

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Speaker 2: agree with, but also I think there are these other priorities,

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Speaker 2: and you know, we have to have borders and be

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Speaker 2: a nation, and we have to take care of the

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Speaker 2: people here. Like you can still have empathy for human

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Speaker 2: have empathy and compassion for them, but also, you know,

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Speaker 2: have a different political approach. I don't think those two

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Speaker 2: things have to be dissonant. But the fact it was

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Speaker 2: taken as such an attack, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: It is an attack because it is a political implication

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Speaker 1: when they say compassion, we're done being syoped into oh,

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Speaker 1: you know, compassion and all of this. But that mean

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Speaker 1: that's why they have to stay here forever. And actually

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Speaker 1: they did all deserve citizenship, and oh there are a

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Speaker 1: lot of gay and transgender people were scared. It's like

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Speaker 1: nobody wants you to be scared, right, But that means that, uh, oh,

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Speaker 1: we shouldn't be worried about plugging children full of hormones

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Speaker 1: And by the way, I was around long enough to

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Speaker 1: do the same here. No offense. I don't really care

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Speaker 1: what Jesus has to say about my country's border policy.

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Speaker 1: You guys believe whatever you want at home, Okay.

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Speaker 2: Keith hag said is a Christian nationalist who wants like

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Speaker 1: Okay, that's not what he said.

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Speaker 2: I don't remember you being upset about that or the other.

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Speaker 1: There is a large Israeli holy purposes.

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Speaker 2: But here's the thing like that is a has been

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Speaker 2: you know, uh, the Tim Alberta. We interviewed him here

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Speaker 2: for groups that are fearful right now, and justifiably so

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Speaker 4: She was so arrogant the way she she didn't even

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Speaker 4: had an opportunity to minister the gospel. Instead of that

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Speaker 5: This is why no one's going to these Yeah, this

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Speaker 5: is not These denominations are dying sadly, but rather than

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Speaker 1: Of course, but if people want to use their teachings

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Speaker 1: to inform their vote, you do as you please. I

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Speaker 1: will continue to do as I please. But the problem

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Speaker 1: that it always comes back to again is that compassion

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Speaker 1: is bastardized, politicized, and used for all of this to

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Speaker 1: push explicitly political agendas which are now counter both to

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Speaker 1: my belief and clearly at least some portion and large

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Speaker 1: belief of the entire.

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Speaker 2: Country compassion belief.

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Speaker 1: No compassion. It's being used as a cloak again to

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Speaker 1: encourage the transition of children and say well nothing wrong

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Speaker 1: with that, to encourage illegal immigration, or to just say

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Speaker 1: these people are actually better than US's amazing.

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Speaker 2: You have no smoke for the right when compassion for

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Speaker 2: Lake and Riley and her family is used to effectuate

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Speaker 2: a political outcome. I mean literally, the bill is named

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Speaker 2: after her. Yes, isn't that a weaponization of compassion.

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Speaker 1: What's the difference political end? Well, what's the difference between

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Speaker 1: those two? One's a US citizen and what's not a

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Speaker 1: US citizen? Right, I care about.

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Speaker 2: Okay, but Sager, Yeah, you have no problem when compassion

457
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Speaker 2: is weaponized for a political end, you happen to support. No,

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Speaker 2: that's but when a basic message of compassion is very

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Speaker 2: highly consistent with the teachings of Jesus Christ is preached,

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Speaker 2: it's like hair on fire melts.

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Speaker 1: As it's a global that is because it's a contrary

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Speaker 1: to the national ideal. It's not about compassion. It's about

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Speaker 1: using Lincoln Rally as an example for the dangers of

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Speaker 1: illegal immigration. That's what it's about. It's not about quote

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Speaker 1: unquote and by the way, again, my value system is

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Speaker 1: that I believe the United States should only look out

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Speaker 1: for its own interests. Those include US citizens. So yes,

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Speaker 1: it's very annoying when this Christian globalist type of language

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Speaker 1: is used to say, actually, the earth is flat, We're

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Speaker 1: all exactly the same, and that transcends all borders, and

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Speaker 1: that's why the border exist, should not exist. So that's

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Speaker 1: why the border is.

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Speaker 2: She did not make any of that.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So when people I didn't say any of that.

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Speaker 2: When people go to the right is also, oh my god,

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Speaker 2: free speech and stop canceling. I know you guys are

477
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Speaker 2: so triggered by as blah blah blah.

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Speaker 1: I can't see that.

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Speaker 2: And of course I got to remember of Congress he

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Speaker 2: said she should be deported. You had that dude on

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Speaker 2: Fox News. It was like she should never be able

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Speaker 2: to preach again. Of course they want to cancel her.

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Speaker 2: That's that's the one.

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Speaker 1: Member of theres says something stupid. I'm supposed to sit

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Speaker 1: here and like take everything you remember, he says, is

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Speaker 1: the as the policy of the Democratic Party. No, And

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Speaker 1: that would be stupid if I did. So, let's just

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Speaker 1: not like extrapolate this into some major cancelation campaign. They're

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Speaker 1: upset about what the lady said because it strikes at

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Speaker 1: the core. Why again, I have it, But I just.

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Speaker 2: The idea that it would be so offensive to say,

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Speaker 2: these are human beings and have compassion for them, I

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Speaker 2: just don't. I just I think I cannot.

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Speaker 1: I think that you are desperate to understand. I think

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Speaker 1: you're desperate to think that everybody who's against immigration does

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Speaker 1: not have compassion. And it's not true. The point is

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Speaker 1: is that we why is soive because we see resources

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Speaker 1: as finite and when messages are put out to siop

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Speaker 1: the American people into thinking that those resources that are

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Speaker 1: a very finite amounts to be able to distributed to

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Speaker 1: our public should then be transcended by this humanistic belief

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Speaker 1: is basically one that has been the de facto migration

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Speaker 1: policy now of the Democratic Party and of the Biparti's

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Speaker 1: establishment for the last twenty five years. We are able

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Speaker 1: to distinguish clearly that messages like this, with the tone

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Speaker 1: and the delivery are very obviously have policy implications which

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Speaker 1: we totally disagree with, hence we criticize them. It's not

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Speaker 1: about the language of compassion. And by the way, again

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Speaker 1: she selectively decides which groups to have quote unquote compassion

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Speaker 1: for illegal immigrants and what did she say, gay and

511
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Speaker 1: transgender children? We know what's going on. Like then, the

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Speaker 1: reason why that that happened is because it actually wasn't

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Speaker 1: an all encompassing message for all Americans or others. It's

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Speaker 1: these select groups who they decide have been more victimized

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Speaker 1: than everybody else and actually deserve special status and thus

516
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Speaker 1: are actually better than.

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Speaker 2: Us that you're like reading a million a million things

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Speaker 2: you read. I think what's going on is that the

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Speaker 2: I mean, the teaching, especially with regards to immigrants in

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Speaker 2: the Bible. It is again I'm not a Bible expert,

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Speaker 2: but is one of the more consistent teachings that there

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Speaker 2: is not to you know, not to dismiss, not to

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Speaker 2: be cruel, to have treat them with humanity and justice

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Speaker 2: and compassion. And so I think for people who are

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Speaker 2: Christians and who hold themselves out as that being a

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Speaker 2: core part of their identity, to have that like clear

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Speaker 2: cut message from the Bible rub up against their political

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Speaker 2: views in a way that's uncomfortable, I think that's what's

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Speaker 2: created this mass backlash reaction. But like I said, I

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Speaker 2: just think, I mean, just find it interesting. The response

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Speaker 2: to what I thought think is very like mild and

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Speaker 2: commonly held view ful ar human.

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Speaker 1: And I see how you get there, because I know

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Speaker 1: it's very comfortable with your worldview. And to those people,

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Speaker 1: I would say, you should be an American first, and

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Speaker 1: then you can decide in terms of your religion, but

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Speaker 1: in terms of your voting and what's actually good for

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Speaker 1: the country, your teachings and all of that, you can

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Speaker 1: inform your vote, but please don't try and impose your

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Speaker 1: bullshit on the rest.

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Speaker 2: How does she try to impose her bullshit? I mean,

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Speaker 2: why does that make you mad that she expressed a view.

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Speaker 1: She's allowed to disagree with the view.

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Speaker 2: Okay, but that's like, that's fine, that's fine to disagree

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Speaker 2: with the view that.

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Speaker 1: I just think this is ridiculous considering how if there

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Speaker 1: was some preacher who was preaching against gays and transgender

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Speaker 1: and all that, I'm pretty sure what smoke you would

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Speaker 1: have for that person, especially if they were influential, and

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Speaker 1: they did it at Joe Biden, by the way, our

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Speaker 1: first Catholic president, I mean completely, he believes in abortion. Right.

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Speaker 1: If a Catholic what Cardinal Dolan or other took the position,

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Speaker 1: took the podium whatever it's called, lectern is that what

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Speaker 1: it is, and lectured at the president and Nancy Pelosi,

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Speaker 1: didn't he refuse them? What was it?

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Speaker 2: Communion?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that was a big scandal. So this is what

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Speaker 1: I mean. So whenever it's done against democratic politicians, I'm

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Speaker 1: not hearing so much concern, even though that's consistent with theirs.

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Speaker 1: Whatever Jesus says, and who you want to run your country.

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Speaker 1: You do that in the Vatican or Italy or whatever.

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Speaker 1: That has nothing to do with us. So I see

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Speaker 1: plenty whenever cardinals and the Catholic Church and all of

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Speaker 1: them lecture democratic politicians who are alleged the Catholic the

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Speaker 1: Democrats get mad and people attack them, etc. This is

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Speaker 1: just simply the same reaction. I don't think it's all

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Speaker 1: that different. The difference is that you just agree with

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Speaker 1: this lady, and you disagree with the cardinal or the

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Speaker 1: Catholic Church. So that's where you're seeing all things. Like

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Speaker 1: I could say the same, like, oh, he's just going

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Speaker 1: off the teachings of Jesus. That's the teachings of the

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Speaker 1: Catholic Church. You know, why should everybody be so upset

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Speaker 1: about that? And they're like, oh, well, because we agree

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Speaker 1: with people have the right to choose, Like okay, fine,

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Speaker 1: So there's a difference between the Catholic teaching when they

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Speaker 1: lecture at a politician and then how that politician behaves

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Speaker 1: with respect to government policy of the United States. Like

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Speaker 1: there's three separate realms. I'm not angry with her in

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Speaker 1: the way that I think that you're trying to portray it.

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Speaker 1: What I'm angry at is this idea, that this is

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Speaker 1: some completely non political ideology and it is often.

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Speaker 2: Weaponed Laura Ingram a hypocrite.

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Speaker 1: Yes, of course, because I'm guarantee you she's going to

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Speaker 1: have people on who are hardcore Christian to justify being

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Speaker 1: pro life for abortion. I'm not leaving these people off

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Speaker 1: the hook. And I you know, I despise much of

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Speaker 1: the Christian nationalist right, which forces people like Brian Mass

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Speaker 1: and others to declare allegiance to a foreign country over

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Speaker 1: our own. These are obviously very natural tensions which people

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Speaker 1: go roll the tape on me and Brian Mast or

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Speaker 1: any of these folks. I think it's crazy, but that's

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Speaker 1: my point, is that it shouldn't have influence on our finite,

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Speaker 1: actual policy decisions as Americans. And I mean, I don't

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Speaker 1: see why it's uh why it's just I don't see

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Speaker 1: why it's difficult to understand then, how we can all

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Speaker 1: read between the lines. I mean, I can flip her

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Speaker 1: if I just only start talking about compassion for the

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Speaker 1: victims of crimes of illegal immigrants. What am I trying

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Speaker 1: to say? People? What am I trying to say that? Right?

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Speaker 2: But yeah, but you're fine with that, that you're fine

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Speaker 2: with that you're fine with but I mean that, but

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Speaker 2: that that's well, I'll just what we can finish with us.

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Speaker 2: But she didn't actually call for any specific policy.

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Speaker 1: Because that would be all she said.

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Speaker 2: All she said is have mercy on people who are

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Speaker 2: fearful right now. And you know these are groups that

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Speaker 2: are in fact, they are in fact fearful right now.

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Speaker 2: And you know, I don't think that that is outrageous.

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Speaker 2: I don't think that should make people mad. I don't

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Speaker 2: think that I don't think that trying to see each

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Speaker 2: other's humanity. Yeah, that is the core of you know,

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Speaker 2: how I believe we should operate in the world. And

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Speaker 2: I do think that that can lead you to different

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Speaker 2: conclusions on There are a lot of balances that you

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Speaker 2: have to strike in the political realm. But to me,

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Speaker 2: being guided by seeing everybody first and foremost as a

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Speaker 2: human being, Like, I don't think that that's outrageous. I

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Speaker 2: don't think that should make you angry. I don't think

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Speaker 2: that that is, you know, the ravings of a lunatic.

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Speaker 2: I don't think you should be deported for having those views,

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Speaker 2: et cetera. But that's just me.

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Speaker 1: It sounds like you found Jesus Crystal. You should go,

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Speaker 1: you should attend her her services here in Washington. At

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Speaker 1: the same time, I wanted to give you guys all

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Speaker 1: some inside information. There is a huge war being waged

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Speaker 1: right now here in Washington, DC against Steve Witcoff, President

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Speaker 1: Trump's special envoy to the Middle East, who successfully negotiated

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Speaker 1: the Gaza cease fire, but also multiple other appointees to

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Speaker 1: the Pentagon who completely disagree with the idea of going

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Speaker 1: to war with Iran, specifically regime change. So We're going

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Speaker 1: to start off with Steve Witcoff, the war against him,

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Speaker 1: and then I'm gonna explain some of the whist for campaign,

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Speaker 1: the allegations, and some of the individuals who are behind

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Speaker 1: all of this. What really kicked things off was Steve

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Speaker 1: Whitcoff's recent interview with Fox News, where he had the

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Speaker 1: audacity to suggest that actually he wants to pursue the

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Speaker 1: Phase two part of the ceasefire deal and that he

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Speaker 1: was willing to negotiate with Hamas or anyone to achieve

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Speaker 1: this outcome. Here's what Steve had to say. I wanted

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Speaker 1: to ask you about Hamas.

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Speaker 2: Apparently they told the New York Times we are prepared

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Speaker 2: for a dialogue with America and achieving understandings on everything.

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Speaker 2: How do you see that?

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Speaker 7: Well, I think it's good if it's accurate. I think

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Speaker 7: we were able to demonstrate that President Trump's policies peace

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Speaker 7: through strength, they work. Everybody listens. I said, you've got

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Speaker 7: to you got to look at the tweet, look at

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Speaker 7: the truth, look at what he said. The words speak

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Speaker 7: for itself. He expects a hostage release. Remember, we were working.

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Speaker 7: We had nothing to do with the mathematics behind the

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Speaker 7: prisoner release and the hostage release that was set probably

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Speaker 7: I don't know, eleven twelve months ago, and our job

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Speaker 7: was to speed up the process because it felt like

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Speaker 7: it had bogged down. And I'm actually going to be

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Speaker 7: going over to Israel. I'm going to be a part

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Speaker 7: of an inspection team at the Nazareem Corridor and also

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Speaker 7: at the Philadelphia Corridor. We have to make sure that

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Speaker 7: the implementation goes well, because if it goes well, we'll

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Speaker 7: get into phase two and we're going to get a

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Speaker 7: lot more live bodies out. And I think that that

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Speaker 7: is what the President's directive to me and everybody else

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Speaker 7: working in the American government on this that's his directive,

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Speaker 7: and that's what we're going to do. That's what we're

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Speaker 7: going to do. We needed to show people that we

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Speaker 7: could stop the fire, the violence, and we could have

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Speaker 7: conversation and dialogue. And so this is the beginning of

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Speaker 7: that and hopefully everything over there can be settled in

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Speaker 7: that way.

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Speaker 1: So christ that was his His crime is that he's like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'll talk to Amas. That was it. That was enough

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Speaker 1: to set them off. So let me give you an example.

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Speaker 1: Let's put this up there on the screen. Here's a

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Speaker 1: reaction from Aton Fischberger. He says, in just one interview,

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Speaker 1: Trump's Middle East envoy manages to express a willingness to

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Speaker 1: quote reach understandings about everything with Hamas, admits that he

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Speaker 1: and Trump's team didn't even try to get any additional

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Speaker 1: hostages out. What's he talking about there? Really? And says

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Speaker 1: fonds over the Katari leadership again, Now what has basically

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Speaker 1: happened is this There is now a narrative being spun

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Speaker 1: here in DC that Steve Whitcoff is an agent of

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Speaker 1: the Katari government. Now why I find this including attacking

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Speaker 1: Steve Whitcoff's kids Again, his crime is negotiating a ceasefire.

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Speaker 1: His real crime is forcing Bebe to work on Shabbat

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Speaker 1: actually getting this deal done. Let's just all be honest

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Speaker 1: about what's happening. So my challenge to the neo con people,

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Speaker 1: and I know we're going to watch this, is this,

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Speaker 1: you guys want to have an honest conversation about foreign

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Speaker 1: influence and people being bought by whom. Let's go. Oh,

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Speaker 1: let's go, because I know where all of your funding

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Speaker 1: comes from. It's all public. I know many of the

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Speaker 1: individuals personally. Who do you think that they're campaigning to

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Speaker 1: replace Steve Wikoff? Jared Kushner, Oh, the guy who's a

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Speaker 1: billionaire because of Saudi Arabia And you don't have any

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Speaker 1: problem with that, right Why? Because he's pro Israel, or

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Speaker 1: more pro Israel apparently than Steve Wikoff, and he'll just

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Speaker 1: give Bibe whatever he wants. So they're full of shit

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Speaker 1: whenever it comes to the criticisms of Steve Wickcoff and

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Speaker 1: his ties or whatever to the Qatari government. And you know,

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Speaker 1: at this point, I don't even care. All I want

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Speaker 1: is to see peace in the region, which clearly Wikoff

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Speaker 1: and the people I've spoken to who are who have

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Speaker 1: spoken to those who are involved in this process are

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Speaker 1: very impressed by him and believe that he is committed

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Speaker 1: to actually trying to get Phase two through. Now, a

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Speaker 1: lot of this is going to be up to Donald Trump,

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Speaker 1: and of course there will be massive pushback here by

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Speaker 1: the Israeli government. But it actually goes a level deeper

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Speaker 1: than this, which is really important. And let's put this

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Speaker 1: next one up here. This is Jewish Insider. This is

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Speaker 1: a publication which is run basically is a laundering of

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Speaker 1: a lot of neo kan thought. And they write here

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Speaker 1: pro Israel Republicans alarmed over Trump's Defense Department appointee. Now,

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Speaker 1: the person they're talking about here is a guy named

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Speaker 1: Mike Demino. He's been tapped as the Deputy Assistant Secretary

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Speaker 1: of Defense for the Middle East. Mike Demino is a

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Speaker 1: person who had the audacity to suggest Crystal that regime

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Speaker 1: change in Iran would be a bad idea. And actually

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Speaker 1: he articulated himself incredibly well in interviews like on the

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Speaker 1: Glenn Greenwald program or on Dave DeCamps show on YouTube.

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Speaker 1: Any of you can go and watch and listen to

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Speaker 1: his words himself. We're not talking about an extremist. We're

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Speaker 1: actually talking about somebody whose previous experience on the ground

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Speaker 1: and involvement in the region convinced him that America's ability

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Speaker 1: to compel regime change and launching adventures in the Middle East,

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Speaker 1: which he says have little strategic interest to America. That's

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Speaker 1: his actual And so what we're watching is a laundering

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Speaker 1: of a major whisper campaign against a guy like Mike Demino.

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Speaker 1: We are watching a new attack that's being launched today,

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Speaker 1: and I'll get into that in a little bit, But

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Speaker 1: just look at you know, Wick Cough. All he does

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Speaker 1: is just say, hey, you guys need to agree to

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Speaker 1: this deal you've already agreed to in back in May.

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Speaker 1: And that is alone. He is now the target of

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Speaker 1: the Israeli media and of all of their allies here

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Speaker 1: in Washington, DC, including Nicki Haley and some very very

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Speaker 1: prominent people behind the scenes.

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Speaker 2: Nothing makes people hear more angry than when you say

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Speaker 2: I'm going to talk to our adversary. If you're right

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Speaker 2: that you will get uniform outrage. And it's just it's

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Speaker 2: such posturing, Like listen, the reality is and this is

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Speaker 2: why BV didn't want to end the war. This is

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Speaker 2: why it's smoke church, and I mean, they're very upfront

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Speaker 2: about their goals. But because you know, when you actually

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Speaker 2: have a ceasefire, even a temporary one as of now,

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Speaker 2: people have to start to grapple with the realities that

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Speaker 2: you didn't destroy Hamas. Very likely Hamas is going to

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Speaker 2: continue to be in government because guess what, you didn't

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Speaker 2: come up with any sort of a political solution that

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Speaker 2: would lead in a different direction. And there is no

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Speaker 2: there is no number of guns and bombs that is

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Speaker 2: going to solve this problem, period, end of story. But

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Speaker 2: you can live in that fantasy We're never going to

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Speaker 2: have to talk to Hamas and they're going to be

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Speaker 2: defeated and they're just you know, evil, point blank, end

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Speaker 2: of store, and you could never even speak with them.

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Speaker 2: You can live in that fantasy until you actually try

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Speaker 2: to have some sort of a resolution. And so, yeah,

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Speaker 2: he committed the cardinal sin of being like, you know,

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Speaker 2: I actually want to go to Gaza and Hamasa. They

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Speaker 2: would talk, and I think we should do that. Think

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Speaker 2: about even like you know Scalhill who goes and interviews

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Speaker 2: these guys, because hey, they're a party to this conflict,

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Speaker 2: and maybe we should know what their thoughts are and

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Speaker 2: what their thought processes and what their ideology is. The

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Speaker 2: amount of outrage over even just a journalist going and

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Speaker 2: interviewing them is preposter I mean, listen with regard to

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Speaker 2: how all of this pans out. We'll see, because already

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Speaker 2: obviously you're seeing you know, a massive onslaught and lots

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Speaker 2: of killing in the West Bank. I just saw electricity

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Speaker 2: has been shut off in massive parts of the West

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Speaker 2: Manga Corniana drop site News. There's all kinds of reportings

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Speaker 2: about the quote unquote goodie bag that Trump and Witcoff

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Speaker 2: are giving to Israel. So what are the costs of that?

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Speaker 2: Phoebe's promising that he's going to return to the full

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Speaker 2: on war. Trump is saying like, well, that's you know,

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Speaker 2: probably going to happen, so we'll see. But yeah, I

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Speaker 2: think it is very telling just the amount of absolute

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Speaker 2: rage at Wickcough. It's very good that he's Jewish. I'll

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Speaker 2: just say that it's really gives him at least a

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Speaker 2: little I'm sure he's getting all of the like self

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Speaker 2: hating jew and all of that sort of stuff, but

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Speaker 2: it's a little bit harder to just throw the anti

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Speaker 2: Semite label at someone who is himself Jewish.

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Speaker 1: Wikoff is now one of the most successful diplomats on

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Speaker 1: the U on the Israel Palestine issue in modern history.

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Speaker 1: Like that's what they are attacking him, very lobar okay,

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Speaker 1: but that's my point. That's even that is enough to

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Speaker 1: be destroyed, and they're going after him like you would

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Speaker 1: not believe. Let's put this up there on the screen.

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Speaker 1: For example, this is Mark Levin, who by the way,

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Speaker 1: this is retweeted by Ben Shapiro. It says, say what

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Speaker 1: wick Coff said, it's good if the US talks directly

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Speaker 1: with Hamas. Question Mark, where's the foreign policy eighteen? Question Mark,

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Speaker 1: don't we have a new Secretary of State just confirmed

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Speaker 1: and answer me by the Senate. Even Blinken didn't suggest this.

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Speaker 1: Hamas committed unimaginable acts of genocide. Now we are willing

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Speaker 1: to talk to them to better understand them. Question Look,

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Speaker 1: here's the thing, and this is the straw man. They're like, oh,

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Speaker 1: he says he wants to talk with Hamas. Steve Wikoff

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Speaker 1: actually is trying to get hostages out right, So who's

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Speaker 1: holding the hostages?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 1: Oh right, So we're not supposed to talk to Maas.

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Speaker 1: But also the criticism of wik coof is. He's not

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Speaker 1: supposed to get all the hostages out, so which is it? Right?

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Speaker 1: So it's all bullshit. Actually, what this is all about.

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Speaker 1: His real crime again is putting a little bit of

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Speaker 1: pressure on the Israelis. Let's go to the next one please,

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Speaker 1: from Haretz. It's also this one. He's going to visit

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Speaker 1: Gaza as part of an inspection team. Right. The thing

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Speaker 1: is is that they want to keep America at arm's

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Speaker 1: length and not be involved in any of this. They

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Speaker 1: don't want them to enforce the terms. They don't want

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Speaker 1: them to be involved. And the reason why I'm focusing

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Speaker 1: so hard on wid Cough is that if he gets fired,

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Speaker 1: if he gets rained in or any of that, it's over.

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Speaker 1: Not just in terms of the Israel pals On issue,

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Speaker 1: but the Iran issue is the most important one here.

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Speaker 1: What broke out this morning again from Jewish Insider, this

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Speaker 1: like Neo con rag is. They're publishing this about a

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Speaker 1: person like my friend Albert Colby. They say, in addition

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Speaker 1: to Domino, another ally of Caldwells, there's a person in

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Speaker 1: the interview. Albert Colby has been tapped as the Under

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Speaker 1: Secretary of Defense for Policy, even as his sanguine view

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Speaker 1: of Iran and its nuclear ambitions, which he sees as

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Speaker 1: less urgent threat to America's interest in China has long

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Speaker 1: been a source of contention in Republican foreign policy circles,

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Speaker 1: and now they write this with a straight face. Perhaps

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Speaker 1: most controversially, Colby has opposed direct military action against the

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Speaker 1: Islamic Republic. Perhaps most controversial. Controversial to whom? I ask

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Speaker 1: Jewish inside, please tell us, tell us who it's controversial to,

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Speaker 1: and do you want to know who's controversial to? The

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Speaker 1: person they quote underneath that to criticize Demino, Calebridge and Elbridge,

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Speaker 1: Colby and Caldwell is Dick Cheney's Middle East advisor. That's

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Speaker 1: who they quote. It would it would be you know,

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of people who watch the show Donald Trump.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of people who watch the show who

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Speaker 1: he even interviewed, who voted for who would for AOC

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Speaker 1: and for Donald Trump. And one of the main reasons

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Speaker 1: they did is a departure from the foreign policy consissus.

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Speaker 1: Now Trump has failed them many times in many different ways,

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Speaker 1: but perhaps on this one at least through the idea

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Speaker 1: of personnel is policy. We all need to come together

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Speaker 1: and to actually put pressure on the Trump administration and

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Speaker 1: the outside to make sure that these people do not succeed.

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Speaker 1: Because if Mike Demino gets fired, if Elbridge Colby doesn't

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Speaker 1: get through, if you know, you don't have a chance

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Speaker 1: in hell at getting even five percent. And the reason

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Speaker 1: why I know this is that in the first Trump administration,

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Speaker 1: the battle for any America First policy was lost on

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Speaker 1: day twenty three when Mike Flynn was fired. Now Flynn

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Speaker 1: was an idiot, don't get me wrong, but Flynn actually

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Speaker 1: believed in what Trump did. And more importantly, a lot

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Speaker 1: of the people who worked for Mike Flynn who were

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Speaker 1: genuinely America First, all of them were forced out by

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Speaker 1: h R McMaster And h R McMaster did what He

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Speaker 1: ramped up troops in Afghanistan, He encouraged all this SOULEMANI striking,

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Speaker 1: He encouraged all these weapons to Ukraine. Now, listen, Trump

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Speaker 1: is culpable. Of course, I'm not going to put him

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Speaker 1: off the hook. He agreed to do all of this.

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Speaker 1: But he's a malleable guy according to the people around him.

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Speaker 1: So if you want to play the game, we have

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Speaker 1: to protect these people because otherwise it's game over. Like look,

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Speaker 1: listen to them very clearly, they say that controversial. The

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00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 1: controversy around this is to oppose war with iron. They're

866
00:44:57,120 --> 00:44:59,640
Speaker 1: telling us what they want us to do. They want

867
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:03,520
Speaker 1: to evade and impose regime change on this country. And

868
00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:05,520
Speaker 1: so it's my you know, what I'm trying to do

869
00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:08,800
Speaker 1: is to expose them, but also to try and assemble

870
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:12,319
Speaker 1: some people who we need to like put pressure on

871
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:14,879
Speaker 1: the administration if we actually want to see this change.

872
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 1: Because nothing can destroy your country and its wealth and

873
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:21,120
Speaker 1: it's people more than a bad decision in the war

874
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:23,359
Speaker 1: as we saw with I Rock Well, it destroyed us.

875
00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:24,840
Speaker 2: And just to tie it all together, and I know

876
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:27,719
Speaker 2: people know this, but Israel has long wanted to drag

877
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:30,720
Speaker 2: us in of coursely to a war with a run.

878
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:33,919
Speaker 2: You'll recall bb Net Nyahu famously making trip here during

879
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:37,560
Speaker 2: the Obama administration to oppose the JCPOA that was the

880
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:40,960
Speaker 2: Iranian nuclear deal. You know, this would be a key

881
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:44,960
Speaker 2: priority for major Donald Trump donors like Miria Madison, who

882
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:46,880
Speaker 2: was seated right there in the Daais behind him and

883
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 2: who seemed to really get her picks in terms of

884
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:55,040
Speaker 2: a lot of the high profile cabinet level names who

885
00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:59,520
Speaker 2: all had very consistent Hawkish views with regard to Iran,

886
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:02,319
Speaker 2: and you know, are some of them are just like

887
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:06,960
Speaker 2: total end times, you know, is pro Israel fanatics like

888
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:10,799
Speaker 2: my Kakabee least Stephanik Rubio has a you know, been

889
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:14,840
Speaker 2: consistent hawk with regard to Iran, et cetera. So you know,

890
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:18,160
Speaker 2: these next layer down is kind of the next battle

891
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:20,520
Speaker 2: and so yeah, well we'll see how it all plays out.

892
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:23,440
Speaker 2: I mean, one thing that is a little different now

893
00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:29,760
Speaker 2: versus previously is, you know, bipartisan administrations have really coddled

894
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:33,080
Speaker 2: the Saudi Arabians and been very cozy with them, even

895
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:37,040
Speaker 2: long past the point of utility and political sense. And

896
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:40,759
Speaker 2: you know, Saudi and Iran were very much you know,

897
00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:45,719
Speaker 2: arch rivals and at loggerheads. That has eased somewhat as

898
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:50,360
Speaker 2: they've made common cause during the Israeli genocide in Gaza.

899
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 2: They've had some reproachment actually brokered by the Chinese, so

900
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:58,839
Speaker 2: there is somewhat less hostility between those two nations, which

901
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:02,040
Speaker 2: means that you know, even and as a top Trump priorities,

902
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:05,080
Speaker 2: pursuing this I think wrongheaded, but we can get to

903
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:09,120
Speaker 2: that another day. Saudi normalization deal with Israel doesn't necessarily

904
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 2: require the same, like totally hawkish and adversarial approach to Iran.

905
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:17,800
Speaker 2: But there are very powerful parts of this Republican coalition

906
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:21,759
Speaker 2: and of the Trump donor base that want the war

907
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:25,120
Speaker 2: with Iran, want the regime change, want one of the

908
00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:28,160
Speaker 2: things that we gave Israel in exchange for this, at

909
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 2: least temporary cease fire, to be joining with them, or

910
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:33,600
Speaker 2: at least green lighting attacks on Irani nuclear facilities and

911
00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:36,359
Speaker 2: those sorts of really escalatory actions. So anyway, a lot

912
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:37,080
Speaker 2: of question marks.

913
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:42,160
Speaker 1: Okay, sticking with foreign policies, some big developments on the

914
00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:44,359
Speaker 1: Russia and Ukraine front. Let's put this up there on

915
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:48,200
Speaker 1: the screen from President Trump. I'm not looking to hurt Russia.

916
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:51,000
Speaker 1: I love the Russian people and always had a very

917
00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:53,760
Speaker 1: good relationship with President Putin. And this despite the Russia

918
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:56,680
Speaker 1: Russia Russia hoax. We must never forget Russia helped us

919
00:47:56,719 --> 00:47:59,439
Speaker 1: win the Second World War, losing almost sixty million lives

920
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:02,239
Speaker 1: in the process. All that being said, I'm going to

921
00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:05,319
Speaker 1: do Russia, whose economy is failing and President Putin a

922
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:09,560
Speaker 1: very big favor, settle now and stop this ridiculous war.

923
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:11,960
Speaker 1: It's only going to get worse if we don't make

924
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:14,360
Speaker 1: a deal, and soon I will have no choice but

925
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:17,480
Speaker 1: to put high levels of taxes, tariffs, and sanctions on

926
00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:20,719
Speaker 1: anything being sold by Russia to the United States and

927
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:24,719
Speaker 1: various other participating countries. Let's get this war, which would

928
00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:26,920
Speaker 1: never have started if I were president, over with. We

929
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:29,040
Speaker 1: can do it the easy way or the hard way,

930
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:31,400
Speaker 1: and the easy way is always better. It's time to

931
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:35,239
Speaker 1: make a deal. No more lives should be lost, he

932
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:39,640
Speaker 1: declares here. Well, this is all part of a big

933
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:44,400
Speaker 1: question mark now around Russia and Ukraine, and specifically also

934
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:48,120
Speaker 1: with Donald Trump revealing actually in the Oval Office the

935
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Speaker 1: number of real dead in the war. So he gave

936
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Speaker 1: this away. Actually counterpoints covered yesterday. We're a play it

937
00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:56,000
Speaker 1: for again for all of you. Let's take a listen.

938
00:48:56,239 --> 00:48:59,640
Speaker 2: Could be version and you've talked a bit about ukraining

939
00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:01,880
Speaker 2: Russia of it. How long would you think.

940
00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:04,280
Speaker 1: Take to end that conflict?

941
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:07,759
Speaker 8: And I have to speak to President put We're gonna

942
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:09,920
Speaker 8: have to find out. He can't be thrilled. He's not

943
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:12,759
Speaker 8: doing so well. I mean, he's grinding it out. But

944
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:14,719
Speaker 8: most people thought that war would have been over in

945
00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:19,000
Speaker 8: about one week, and now you're into three years. Right,

946
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:21,360
Speaker 8: So he can't be he can't be thrilled. It's not

947
00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:25,000
Speaker 8: making him look very good. Now, eventually, you know, I

948
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:28,520
Speaker 8: mean it's a big machine, so things will happen. But

949
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:32,200
Speaker 8: I think it'd be very well off to end that war.

950
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:37,080
Speaker 8: We have numbers that almost a million Russian soldiers have

951
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:41,600
Speaker 8: been killed, about seven hundred thousand Ukrainian soldiers are killed.

952
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:46,279
Speaker 8: Russian is bigger, they have more soldiers to lose, but

953
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:48,520
Speaker 8: that's no way to run a country.

954
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:51,759
Speaker 1: Let's think about that. We're talking about well over what

955
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:53,920
Speaker 1: one point five million who were killed. Now, I don't

956
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:56,800
Speaker 1: know if he's confusing casualties or the number of killed,

957
00:49:56,800 --> 00:49:58,799
Speaker 1: but even if it's the number of casualties, I mean

958
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:02,840
Speaker 1: that's insane, like World War One numbers for the battle

959
00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:08,520
Speaker 1: which are unseen in modern warfare. So this shows a

960
00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:10,680
Speaker 1: couple of things. First, it's good. I think it's great

961
00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:12,799
Speaker 1: that Trump wants to end the war and he's all

962
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:15,719
Speaker 1: about quote unquote making a deal. The problem is is,

963
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:18,279
Speaker 1: I think crystal he's really overestimating the leverage that the

964
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:22,040
Speaker 1: United States has here. Our economies are as bifurcated as

965
00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:23,840
Speaker 1: it gets. They don't sell us very much. There's not

966
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:27,440
Speaker 1: much less to tariff. There's nothing really left that they

967
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:31,800
Speaker 1: even export to the global West. They're basically a client

968
00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:34,719
Speaker 1: state of the Chinese and of the Indians who will

969
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:37,680
Speaker 1: buy their gas, and you know, the North Koreans who

970
00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:40,759
Speaker 1: are giving them soldiers and weapons. They don't really need

971
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:46,160
Speaker 1: us anymore, and so Putin is in a very advantageous

972
00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:49,279
Speaker 1: position if he wants to continue the war. The other

973
00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:52,799
Speaker 1: problem of Trump's presumption is he's like, well, Russia, they're

974
00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:55,600
Speaker 1: losing a lot of people. Putin doesn't care. He does

975
00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:58,480
Speaker 1: not care that eight hundred thousand people have been killed. Well,

976
00:50:58,560 --> 00:51:00,600
Speaker 1: he will sacrifice one point five million as much.

977
00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:04,879
Speaker 2: I mean, it's much larger population than Ukraine. So it's

978
00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:07,640
Speaker 2: all I mean, just as a personalite. It's so grim

979
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:11,320
Speaker 2: to say this, but it's a lower consequence for the

980
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:14,360
Speaker 2: Russian nation than it is for the Ukrainians. I was

981
00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:20,120
Speaker 2: just reading. Apparently the Kremlin spokesperson Dmitry Peskov indicated that

982
00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:23,120
Speaker 2: Moscow is ready for an equal and mutually respectful dialogue,

983
00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:25,080
Speaker 2: but was sort of like unimpressed with the threats for

984
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:28,000
Speaker 2: more sanctions. They said it didn't really sound like anything

985
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:34,040
Speaker 2: particularly new. But while we don't have as much leverage

986
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:36,880
Speaker 2: with the Russians, because they already are the most anciented

987
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:39,680
Speaker 2: country on the entire planet and are already living and

988
00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:42,240
Speaker 2: dealing with that. Not that there hasn't been any economic hardship,

989
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:45,279
Speaker 2: but they've been able to cope. The country we do

990
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:47,719
Speaker 2: have leverage with is Ukraine. Obviously, we have a lot

991
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:50,600
Speaker 2: of leverage with Ukraine. We can basically, I mean we can.

992
00:51:50,719 --> 00:51:54,000
Speaker 2: We can college that they're completely dependent on our funding

993
00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:57,759
Speaker 2: and our weaponshipment and our diplomatic support and all of that. So,

994
00:51:58,280 --> 00:52:01,160
Speaker 2: you know, it seems to who knows what Trump is

995
00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:02,920
Speaker 2: doing behind the scenes and what his real plans are

996
00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:04,640
Speaker 2: blah blah blah, who knows if he even knows, But

997
00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:07,960
Speaker 2: it seems to me that the place where the leverage

998
00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:09,799
Speaker 2: really needs to be applied, as with our own ally,

999
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:13,839
Speaker 2: where rich have the leverage, versus additional You really think

1000
00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:16,600
Speaker 2: additional sanctions on Russia are going to like significantly move

1001
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:18,200
Speaker 2: the needle. I'm sorry, I just don't think that is.

1002
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:20,399
Speaker 1: No, I don't think so. I mean, I'm wondering if

1003
00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:23,000
Speaker 1: some of this is a psyop to get the Ukrainians

1004
00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:25,239
Speaker 1: to see that we are putting pressure on Russia when

1005
00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:28,440
Speaker 1: we also pressure them behind the scenes. I have no idea.

1006
00:52:28,680 --> 00:52:31,600
Speaker 1: Trump is saying that he will meet with Putin and Zelensky.

1007
00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:34,360
Speaker 1: I think he literally said any time. He's willing to

1008
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:36,919
Speaker 1: do it, if they want to talk. Now. Zelenski, though,

1009
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:39,399
Speaker 1: at Davos, is also making a lot of demands. Let's

1010
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:42,040
Speaker 1: put this up there on the screen. He says the

1011
00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:45,960
Speaker 1: US must be part of a Ukraine peacekeeping force. He

1012
00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:50,040
Speaker 1: wants US troops to be part of peacekeeping in Ukraine.

1013
00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:53,920
Speaker 1: Can't be without the United States. Even if some European

1014
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:56,120
Speaker 1: friends think it can beat No, it can't be. Nobody

1015
00:52:56,160 --> 00:52:59,840
Speaker 1: will risk without the United States. So his peace condition

1016
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:01,680
Speaker 1: is that we have to occupy it.

1017
00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:03,399
Speaker 2: I don't know that he's not wrong, though. I mean,

1018
00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:06,759
Speaker 2: I no part of me wants this, But I think

1019
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:09,520
Speaker 2: he might be right that if you're going to have

1020
00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:12,400
Speaker 2: some sort of a maintain the piece kind of a

1021
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:17,879
Speaker 2: ground force, you know, I doubt that the Europeans could

1022
00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:19,359
Speaker 2: or would do it on their own.

1023
00:53:19,520 --> 00:53:21,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, which is why the whole point is, the

1024
00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:24,520
Speaker 1: whole thing is untenable, terrible. So let's just sign a deal,

1025
00:53:24,680 --> 00:53:26,960
Speaker 1: and let's just convince the Russians it's not in their

1026
00:53:27,239 --> 00:53:30,280
Speaker 1: best interest. And they've eventually passed that and we'll figure

1027
00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:32,840
Speaker 1: it out then. But you know, the current situation is

1028
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:36,520
Speaker 1: equally as bad and as untenable. Over a million people

1029
00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:40,280
Speaker 1: are dead in the war, you know, and like you said,

1030
00:53:40,719 --> 00:53:44,520
Speaker 1: proportionality is very important here. This is not a big country.

1031
00:53:44,719 --> 00:53:49,319
Speaker 1: They have lost, apparently to them, three generations now of men.

1032
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:52,600
Speaker 1: So you know, eighteen to twenty five or eighteen I

1033
00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:54,319
Speaker 1: think is eighteen to twenty five year old men are

1034
00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:57,080
Speaker 1: not eligible for the draft. If you're twenty five and up,

1035
00:53:57,440 --> 00:54:00,720
Speaker 1: the good chances are you've been drafted and into combat.

1036
00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:03,560
Speaker 1: And that's why the average age of their military is

1037
00:54:03,600 --> 00:54:06,600
Speaker 1: what some forty or fifty years old. Nobody even really

1038
00:54:06,640 --> 00:54:09,719
Speaker 1: knows the data. But they're running out of people at

1039
00:54:09,719 --> 00:54:13,799
Speaker 1: a basic level, and you know, the depopulation already of

1040
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:17,840
Speaker 1: their country would take them multiple generations just to replace,

1041
00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:21,120
Speaker 1: let alone. If they continue this war and inevitably do

1042
00:54:21,239 --> 00:54:23,640
Speaker 1: need to draft eighteen to twenty five years, then yeah,

1043
00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:25,640
Speaker 1: you're going to find yourself like the Soviet Union did

1044
00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:29,000
Speaker 1: fighting the Nazis, everyone born in like nineteen twenty to

1045
00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:32,280
Speaker 1: nineteen twenty five who was draft age was just dead.

1046
00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:34,280
Speaker 1: You know. By the end of the war, it was horrible.

1047
00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:35,920
Speaker 1: It was a disaster, terrible.

1048
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:38,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was just looking at the population numbers Ukraine.

1049
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:42,160
Speaker 2: It's the latest that says thirty seven million, and Russia

1050
00:54:42,239 --> 00:54:44,640
Speaker 2: is one hundred and forty four million, So I mean,

1051
00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:49,400
Speaker 2: it's just vastly larger population, vastly more you know, resources,

1052
00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:53,439
Speaker 2: endemic to the country. So it's long been a really

1053
00:54:53,560 --> 00:54:57,600
Speaker 2: unbalanced situation. And you know, Trump had promised like he

1054
00:54:57,719 --> 00:54:59,239
Speaker 2: was going to have this all wrapped up before he

1055
00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:03,480
Speaker 2: even got into That was always totally preposterous and it

1056
00:55:03,560 --> 00:55:06,360
Speaker 2: was disconcerting that it didn't get mentioned at all on

1057
00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:10,520
Speaker 2: inauguration day. And I think it's still very I think

1058
00:55:10,560 --> 00:55:13,280
Speaker 2: he recognizes, like this is not going to be easy

1059
00:55:13,719 --> 00:55:18,520
Speaker 2: to deal with. And the Zelenski message at the World

1060
00:55:18,520 --> 00:55:20,719
Speaker 2: Economic Forum of like, oh, we're going to need us

1061
00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:24,799
Speaker 2: peace group. That's an indication of how difficult it ever

1062
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:27,000
Speaker 2: is to wrap up one of these conflicts and how

1063
00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:30,560
Speaker 2: frequently unpopular it ends up being. Because if we're being honest,

1064
00:55:30,600 --> 00:55:32,320
Speaker 2: American people are kind of like tuned down on this

1065
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:34,960
Speaker 2: conflict at this point. Yes, it's on the back burner.

1066
00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:38,719
Speaker 2: It's not causing Trump any like real political headaches. It's

1067
00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:42,240
Speaker 2: a lot diceier, as Biden found out when he withdrew

1068
00:55:42,239 --> 00:55:46,680
Speaker 2: from Afghanistan to actually end the conflict and have to

1069
00:55:46,719 --> 00:55:49,880
Speaker 2: deal with the aftermath and the messiness and the loss

1070
00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:52,320
Speaker 2: of territory and all of that in the media onslot,

1071
00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:56,080
Speaker 2: which will undoubtedly come. So uh yeah, we'll see, we'll

1072
00:55:56,080 --> 00:55:57,960
Speaker 2: see where this goes, but a lot of mixed i'd

1073
00:55:58,000 --> 00:55:59,480
Speaker 2: say signal swim from at this point.

1074
00:55:59,560 --> 00:56:02,640
Speaker 1: Absolutely, you're absolutely right. Okay, guys, we talked too much

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Speaker 1: here as usual, so we'll cover the meta story on Monday,

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Speaker 1: and yeah, we'll see you all then, unless some big

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Speaker 1: news breaks over the weekend.