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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Fantasy Flex Podcast from the Action Network

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Speaker 1: and Fantasy Abs. I'm your host, Chris Raybond, and we

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Speaker 1: got the NFL Draft upcoming, so we thought it'd be

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Speaker 1: good to have our guy Dan back from Rotal Grinders

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Speaker 1: back on the show. Dan, how is it going at

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Speaker 1: a lot of movement in the draft market.

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Speaker 2: I can't quite explain, knowing how much college football watch

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Speaker 1: at labs dot com. All right, Dan, we just have

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Speaker 2: Yet if you go to ESPN bet and DraftKings, Tyler

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, and Brock Bauers having just an

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Speaker 3: And Tyler Warren, you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I am.

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Speaker 2: I'm looking at running back to the Denver Broncos plus

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Speaker 1: So that's where I'm looking to kind of profit off

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Speaker 1: that because I think the Broncos would be one of

436
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Speaker 1: those teams that you'd have to consider taking taking a

437
00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:14,080
Speaker 1: wide receiver, but I do think they're more likely to

438
00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:14,800
Speaker 1: take a running back.

439
00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:18,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I actually think that Golden is not

440
00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:21,280
Speaker 2: the worst call there to Denver. And I say that

441
00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:24,080
Speaker 2: because I actually think Tet McMillan's kind of like of

442
00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:27,040
Speaker 2: the the Courtland Sutton kind of body type. Like I

443
00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:29,240
Speaker 2: don't know if they would go that route. I think

444
00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:31,280
Speaker 2: it would either be him, or you know, even a

445
00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:34,000
Speaker 2: guy like Agbuka or Luther Burden or somebody like that

446
00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:34,920
Speaker 2: who could.

447
00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:37,080
Speaker 3: Mix it up a little bit. I I you know,

448
00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:38,040
Speaker 3: there's a.

449
00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:41,359
Speaker 2: Lot of momentum with Golden to be starting to be

450
00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:44,280
Speaker 2: selected over Tet McMillan, And this is one of those

451
00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:46,160
Speaker 2: things that like, I don't.

452
00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:46,520
Speaker 3: Agree with it.

453
00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:50,800
Speaker 2: I saw Matthew Golden this year, good player, but arguably

454
00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:52,320
Speaker 2: not even the best receiver on his team.

455
00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:53,440
Speaker 3: Isaiah Bond could have.

456
00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:56,560
Speaker 2: Made that argument, Hey Bob, Yeah yeah, And and you

457
00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:58,080
Speaker 2: know he was he was pretty good at Houston the

458
00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:00,359
Speaker 2: year before. But at no point did I look at

459
00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:03,000
Speaker 2: this guy and I'm like, man, first round NFL draft pick,

460
00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:06,320
Speaker 2: like no brainer. And we see it every year where

461
00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:10,320
Speaker 2: somebody runs a good forty and then next thing you know,

462
00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:14,480
Speaker 2: their stock just absolutely skyrockets, whether it's a Henry Ruggs

463
00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:17,240
Speaker 2: or the kid from Clemson a few years I think

464
00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:20,320
Speaker 2: it was Clemson a few years ago, John Ross or

465
00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:21,159
Speaker 2: that's what it was.

466
00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:22,600
Speaker 3: Ross. Yeah, he wasn't Clemson.

467
00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:25,800
Speaker 2: But we see it all the time where like suddenly

468
00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:30,120
Speaker 2: a guy runs that number, their stock goes way up.

469
00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:33,640
Speaker 2: And McMillan is not a flashy athlete. Okay, don't get

470
00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:36,600
Speaker 2: me wrong, he is not. That is not his game whatsoever.

471
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Speaker 2: So I would take him just because I think he's

472
00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:42,760
Speaker 2: a little bit of a different type of receiver that

473
00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:45,040
Speaker 2: you're seeing less and less of. To be honest with you,

474
00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:47,960
Speaker 2: like he's like Keon Coleman last year, right, like another

475
00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:51,320
Speaker 2: guy who kind of had high expectations and then really

476
00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:53,919
Speaker 2: dropped as the draft went on just because he didn't

477
00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:56,720
Speaker 2: didn't run great routes and ye. And I think the

478
00:22:57,160 --> 00:22:58,919
Speaker 2: book is still out on whether how good of a

479
00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:01,560
Speaker 2: pro he's going to be. But I don't hate that

480
00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:04,920
Speaker 2: bet as a reality because we see it happen every year.

481
00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:07,680
Speaker 2: I'm not of that mindset, but we know a lot

482
00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:10,399
Speaker 2: of the guys in the NFL who who judge players are.

483
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I actually, you know that was one of

484
00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:15,520
Speaker 1: like the first I remember when I was first really

485
00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:17,200
Speaker 1: getting into bet in the draft, Henry Ruggs to be

486
00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:18,800
Speaker 1: the number one receiver taken was actually one of the

487
00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:20,560
Speaker 1: first big bets I made, and kind of for the

488
00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:22,439
Speaker 1: same reason. It was like, I don't necessarily think he's

489
00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:24,480
Speaker 1: the best receiver in the cross, but I just look

490
00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:27,480
Speaker 1: at this draft in the way, you know, what's being emphasized,

491
00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:29,560
Speaker 1: who's but who's kind of getting hyped up and what's not,

492
00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:31,840
Speaker 1: And it just seems to me that more and more

493
00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:34,199
Speaker 1: it's that speed aspect. Look at I mean, look at

494
00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:37,600
Speaker 1: even Xavier Worthy and how the Chiefs used him last year.

495
00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:39,200
Speaker 1: You know, it's like a lot of people didn't think

496
00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:41,080
Speaker 1: he was even a first round caliber guy or like,

497
00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:43,040
Speaker 1: and by the end of the year, I mean, he

498
00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:44,840
Speaker 1: was being used pretty much as much as any receiver

499
00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:46,720
Speaker 1: in the league. And I think it was just because

500
00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:48,919
Speaker 1: of you know, teams cove at that speed and they

501
00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:52,280
Speaker 1: feel like they can get maybe a guy was not

502
00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:54,760
Speaker 1: not as uh skilled as McMillan, but with some of

503
00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:57,920
Speaker 1: the traits a little further down and kind of used

504
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Speaker 1: him as as such. You know, so and I know

505
00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:03,000
Speaker 1: Sean Payton, you know what was Marcus Colston was even

506
00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:04,359
Speaker 1: was he was a late round pick.

507
00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:07,679
Speaker 2: If I ye, like yeah, very like six to seventh

508
00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:09,119
Speaker 2: rounder if I remember correct.

509
00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:11,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, So try and then Vayley. I mean they got

510
00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:14,320
Speaker 1: Veyley who was kind of a late round guy, and

511
00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:16,719
Speaker 1: you know he did some things for them last year too,

512
00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:18,159
Speaker 1: So I could see them kind of you know, if

513
00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:20,920
Speaker 1: they go that direction, going for speed. But I do

514
00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:25,480
Speaker 1: think it's likely to be the running back position if

515
00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:27,760
Speaker 1: they go to a skill player for the Broncos, which

516
00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:30,679
Speaker 1: I think they should. Speaking of skill guys, you know

517
00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:33,840
Speaker 1: Ashton Genty, I think he he's kind of the guy

518
00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:36,120
Speaker 1: who if you're looking at skill positions in this draft,

519
00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:38,600
Speaker 1: he kind of sets everything off because wherever he goes,

520
00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:40,640
Speaker 1: that's going to kind of dictate what some of these

521
00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:43,560
Speaker 1: other teams are going to to do and be able

522
00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:46,520
Speaker 1: to do. Specifically the Bears, I think, uh, when you

523
00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:49,440
Speaker 1: look at Genty and uh, you know where he could

524
00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:52,919
Speaker 1: potentially go, which I think is anywhere, especially with these

525
00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:56,200
Speaker 1: quarterbacks sliding, where where do you see? What? What specific

526
00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:57,800
Speaker 1: team do you are you looking at for him?

527
00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:02,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm gonna eat a little bit of uh eat

528
00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:04,560
Speaker 2: the price here a little bit. I think genty the

529
00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:08,840
Speaker 2: Raiders is the play, and he's minus won forty five

530
00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:12,080
Speaker 2: on ESPN bets, so it's not like you're you're paying

531
00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:14,040
Speaker 2: minus three hundred or something on this.

532
00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:15,880
Speaker 3: So you know, I'm.

533
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:20,320
Speaker 2: Okay laying that on a guy that he just fits

534
00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:24,119
Speaker 2: everything that this team does in the draft taking, you know,

535
00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:27,720
Speaker 2: the flashy guy, the speed guy, the offensive play like,

536
00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:32,800
Speaker 2: that's what the Raiders do every single year. And the

537
00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:35,760
Speaker 2: only thing that could prevent this from happening, and this

538
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:39,560
Speaker 2: is my my hedge on this bet would be Jacksonville

539
00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:43,560
Speaker 2: the pick before them trading that to somebody who wants

540
00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:46,080
Speaker 2: Aston Genty, maybe Denver, you know, for example, maybe they

541
00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:47,840
Speaker 2: come up and say, we want to make a splash,

542
00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:50,000
Speaker 2: we want to get we want to get genty. So

543
00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:53,520
Speaker 2: what I'm doing here is I bet genty to the

544
00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:57,400
Speaker 2: Raiders minus one forty five. But I went ahead and

545
00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:01,000
Speaker 2: found pick number five to be ash and Genty at

546
00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:01,600
Speaker 2: ten to one.

547
00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:02,919
Speaker 3: I think that was unfanduel.

548
00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:08,120
Speaker 2: So therefore, if the Jaguars trade out, great, you're hitting

549
00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:09,040
Speaker 2: on a ten to one bet.

550
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:13,400
Speaker 3: You're not the end of the world. But if they.

551
00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:17,480
Speaker 2: Don't trade out, Dan, I feel damn confident that it's

552
00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:19,840
Speaker 2: going to be genty going to the Raiders. It just

553
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:23,440
Speaker 2: checks too many boxes for them. Raheem Mostert had three

554
00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:26,240
Speaker 2: point three yards per carry last season. Like he's washed.

555
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:28,040
Speaker 2: I don't care that they went and got him in

556
00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:33,520
Speaker 2: free agency. Zamir White's terrible. They don't have any production

557
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:37,640
Speaker 2: in that position, and with you know, the new coaching staff,

558
00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:41,439
Speaker 2: and you know they've got rock Bowers there kind of

559
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:44,160
Speaker 2: in that tight end position. They new receivers too, don't

560
00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:46,520
Speaker 2: get me wrong, but we've seen the big slide there

561
00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:48,360
Speaker 2: and I think they're probably in a position to pick

562
00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:50,879
Speaker 2: one up maybe in round two. I just think Genti

563
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:53,080
Speaker 2: the Raiders is too good of a price, especially at

564
00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:56,199
Speaker 2: a ten to one hedge, that somebody kind of leapfrogs him,

565
00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:59,920
Speaker 2: because I don't see that happening with any of those

566
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:03,920
Speaker 2: picks before. I think it's a it's a clear fall

567
00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:06,640
Speaker 2: off when the Jags pick at five, and I don't

568
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:09,120
Speaker 2: even know if they even want to take the kid

569
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:12,880
Speaker 2: from Michigan. So that's a possibility, but it's a way

570
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:14,480
Speaker 2: to cover yourself if that happens.

571
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:16,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, speaking of that, I think I

572
00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:18,320
Speaker 1: think when it was it was you and I talking

573
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:21,280
Speaker 1: about a month ago that, I mean, the Jazz could

574
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:23,359
Speaker 1: even draft him and maybe it's to trade him or

575
00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:25,480
Speaker 1: something like that. So I think when we were talking,

576
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:28,120
Speaker 1: you know, the Jags odds to take a running back

577
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:31,520
Speaker 1: first were like something like plus four thousand. They're down

578
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:34,400
Speaker 1: to plus six hundred. So yeah, you know, you talk

579
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:36,320
Speaker 1: about kind of you know, just like in basketball, you

580
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:38,600
Speaker 1: want to be drafting throughout the offseason so you can

581
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:41,320
Speaker 1: get you know, different guys outside of their peak value

582
00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 1: points at kind of at their low value points. And

583
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:45,880
Speaker 1: I think that's the way to do it. And yeah,

584
00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:49,320
Speaker 1: you could have had a crazy Hedgehound just them taking

585
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:52,159
Speaker 1: him as well, which could I mean still happen. According

586
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 1: to the market now they're up to fourth running backs

587
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:58,320
Speaker 1: up the fourth most likely for them after D line,

588
00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:02,239
Speaker 1: O line and linebacker. So it's very interesting there. But

589
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:04,400
Speaker 1: I do think the Raiders it makes the most sense.

590
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:06,600
Speaker 1: And that's why, you know, going back to the Bears

591
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:09,120
Speaker 1: to take potentially a guy like Tyer Warren makes sense too,

592
00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:11,240
Speaker 1: because I think the I don't think genty would slip

593
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:14,160
Speaker 1: past the Bears No. At ten, but it doesn't seem

594
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:16,960
Speaker 1: like he's going to get there, and the Raiders sitting

595
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:20,040
Speaker 1: there at six is a big reason why.

596
00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know, like the Bears again, they could

597
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:24,320
Speaker 2: go to the Jags and say, hey, we know gent's

598
00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:26,240
Speaker 2: not going to get to us, what do you want

599
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 2: for that? And that's actually pretty reasonable because a team

600
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 2: like the Broncos is way further down in the draft.

601
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:34,480
Speaker 2: You got to give away that much more up where

602
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:37,600
Speaker 2: you know, maybe the Bears need to give up like

603
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:39,520
Speaker 2: a second and a third and maybe a second next

604
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:42,080
Speaker 2: year or something to move up to get gents. It's

605
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:45,080
Speaker 2: a little bit easier than giving up maybe future first

606
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:47,160
Speaker 2: round picks like you'd have to do if you're coming

607
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:47,760
Speaker 2: from way back.

608
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:49,160
Speaker 3: So that's a.

609
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:51,440
Speaker 2: Possibility Bears could do it. And again, if it does,

610
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:53,560
Speaker 2: that's fine. Just do it with Jacksonville, not New England.

611
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:57,880
Speaker 1: And you've seen with Ben Johnson when he was on

612
00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:00,360
Speaker 1: the you know, when he was with the Lion the

613
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:02,800
Speaker 1: Lions were aggressive in the first round, moving up to

614
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:06,160
Speaker 1: get offensive weapons like Jamier Gibbs. A lot of people

615
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 1: were surprised that he went that they took him that high,

616
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:12,040
Speaker 1: and then James and Williams as well. So yeah, I

617
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:13,800
Speaker 1: don't think it's out of the question that the Bears

618
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 1: are aggressive here. Especially again with what they've done on

619
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:19,040
Speaker 1: the offensive line and the fact that they now have

620
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:22,120
Speaker 1: their franchise quarterback and all that. So they're in the

621
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:25,480
Speaker 1: position to kind of turn things upside down at the

622
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 1: top of that draft. And I think it would be

623
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:28,720
Speaker 1: for a guy like it would be for Jens. I

624
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:31,600
Speaker 1: think that would be that would be the play. All right,

625
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 1: let's before we get out of here to talk about

626
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:38,680
Speaker 1: one more team, the Buffalo Bills. We talked about Coleman earlier.

627
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:41,840
Speaker 1: You know, they tried out of Mark Cooper last year

628
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:43,800
Speaker 1: as well. So I've I've heard some people talk about,

629
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:45,680
Speaker 1: you know, wide receiver to them, what are you what

630
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:48,640
Speaker 1: are you thinking for them? For you know, first position

631
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 1: of first drafted player.

632
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 3: You nailed it.

633
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:55,440
Speaker 2: I think it's wide receiver, but it's wide receiver at

634
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:58,720
Speaker 2: a massive price. Fifteen to one I found on the Bills.

635
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:01,280
Speaker 2: I think that was DraftKings. Yeah, I mean that's a

636
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:02,080
Speaker 2: big number.

637
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 3: Okay.

638
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:06,400
Speaker 2: So like again, when we're when we're acknowledging and saying

639
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:08,680
Speaker 2: that we like this bet, we're not saying we necessarily

640
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:11,480
Speaker 2: think it's going to happen, but we definitely think there's

641
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 2: a better than fifteen to one chance that it's going

642
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:18,800
Speaker 2: to happen, and it's very simple. You look at two

643
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:19,320
Speaker 2: things here.

644
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:21,200
Speaker 3: Just their current.

645
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:24,120
Speaker 2: Roster of wide receivers leaves a lot to be desired, right,

646
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:26,840
Speaker 2: I mean, key on Coleman, you know, yes, they spent

647
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:29,920
Speaker 2: a first round draft pick on him last year. Wasn't terrible,

648
00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:33,240
Speaker 2: certainly wasn't great. Long way to go, MARII Cooper, didn't

649
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:38,360
Speaker 2: do anything, didn't even resign him, Mac mac Collins. I mean,

650
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:42,720
Speaker 2: they're just all in all, like their whole wide receiving

651
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:47,640
Speaker 2: spot is nothing to get excited about. And what I

652
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:49,880
Speaker 2: like about this draft is we see a lot of

653
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:52,240
Speaker 2: these wide receivers falling ye, and I think there's a

654
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:55,880
Speaker 2: lot of guys who kind of fit that speedy, mid

655
00:30:56,000 --> 00:31:00,560
Speaker 2: sized receiver that I think would fit them very well.

656
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:03,600
Speaker 2: A guy like Luther Burden, who a year ago would

657
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 2: have been a top ten pick, had a terrible season

658
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:11,120
Speaker 2: last year, dropped dramatically, but kind of would fit that system,

659
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:15,160
Speaker 2: or even a Mecca a BUCA, Like his draft prop

660
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 2: right now is twenty nine and a half, so he's

661
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:19,680
Speaker 2: a guy who's going to be around late in that

662
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 2: first round. Jayden Higgins has done really well in the

663
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:26,560
Speaker 2: offseason out of Iowa State had a great year last year,

664
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Speaker 2: but is impressed.

665
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 3: At the combine.

666
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:31,800
Speaker 2: So I like the talent at that position when they're

667
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:34,320
Speaker 2: picking late in that first round, and I could just

668
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:36,880
Speaker 2: see them looking at and saying, hey, man, like this

669
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:39,040
Speaker 2: guy is just the best player on the board.

670
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 3: We have some need there. Let's let's take another wide receiver.

671
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:45,800
Speaker 2: They still really haven't found anybody to replace Steph Diggs,

672
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 2: and I don't think it's key on Coleman. So I

673
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:52,800
Speaker 2: think at fifteen to one, my goodness, like, yeah, let's

674
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Speaker 2: take a shot at that.

675
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you love that because, like you said, they're

676
00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:58,160
Speaker 1: sitting they're sitting there late in the first round. Wide

677
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:01,440
Speaker 1: receivers are fallen, and when you look at that kind

678
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 1: of yeah, those mid sized guys, those guys are maybe

679
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:07,120
Speaker 1: some speed right now, you know, you got your here.

680
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:10,280
Speaker 1: He's been he's been great. He's okay, yeah, yeah, he's

681
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:12,560
Speaker 1: been great for them because they didn't have anybody else

682
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:15,200
Speaker 1: last year. But then you look at their other two

683
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 1: starters right now, Pencil. Then they spent a little bit

684
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:20,320
Speaker 1: of money on Josh Palmer, but he's six, and then

685
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:22,400
Speaker 1: you got a and then Colin six four two fifteen

686
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 1: so you can kind of use the guy with a

687
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:28,560
Speaker 1: little more explosion because to your point, you know, Coleman

688
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 1: and Palmer, both of those guys kind of fit the

689
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 1: mold a little bit more of you know, long term,

690
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 1: like Okay, this is our number four guy, Like this

691
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:37,120
Speaker 1: is our guy. I know Palmer's been good, you know,

692
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:39,800
Speaker 1: stepping in at times for other guys, but realistically you'd

693
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:42,480
Speaker 1: like him now kind of yeah, yeah, he's gonna like

694
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Speaker 1: him as Yeah.

695
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:46,600
Speaker 2: No, no, he's like he's a great number two or three,

696
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:49,760
Speaker 2: Like yeah, right now, he's arguably their number one. And

697
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:51,480
Speaker 2: maybe you could say it's shakier, but he's more of

698
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:55,080
Speaker 2: a slot guy, right, So, like they gotta find somebody,

699
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:58,480
Speaker 2: and I'm telling you it's not Josh Palmer, And it's

700
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:01,720
Speaker 2: like you got your channeling in his prime here, dude, Like,

701
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:05,720
Speaker 2: let's get him some weapons and see what see, see

702
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:08,480
Speaker 2: what what happens? Who knows, like how this goes, but

703
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:12,080
Speaker 2: the price is too good at fifteen to one. I

704
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 2: think I think it was I think it was our

705
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:16,320
Speaker 2: friend Evan Silva who had him in his latest mock

706
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 2: taking taking Luther Burden, And I think that would actually

707
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:21,520
Speaker 2: be a pretty good fit if if it happened.

708
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:24,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, because on one hand, you kind of

709
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:27,040
Speaker 1: look at it and you say, Okay, they drafted Kincaid

710
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:29,400
Speaker 1: and they go Coleman early, and you know, maybe they

711
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:32,280
Speaker 1: don't want to do go to another skill guy. But

712
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:34,560
Speaker 1: at the same time, you're kind of looking at it like, well,

713
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 1: Josh Allenson is prime. They just signed him to a

714
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:42,200
Speaker 1: big contract extension, and they they're but they've been so

715
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:45,240
Speaker 1: good that they they still have that luxury of kind

716
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 1: of swinging you know, swinging on on on an offensive

717
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 1: weapon late in the first round here, you know, so

718
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:53,160
Speaker 1: I definitely think at that price, you got to look

719
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:56,320
Speaker 1: at it with this current wide receiver depth track, because yeah,

720
00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:58,160
Speaker 1: I mean, Shakira is just their default number one, and

721
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 1: like he's he he's a good player, but I don't

722
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:04,280
Speaker 1: think he should be in that position long term, especially

723
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:06,280
Speaker 1: with a guy like Josh Allen, Like that's just you

724
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:08,920
Speaker 1: should be aiming higher than that if you're the Buffalo Bills.

725
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:11,200
Speaker 1: So yeah, totally great, they could use another weapon. We

726
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:13,479
Speaker 1: saw that, you know, in the in the playoffs where

727
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:15,120
Speaker 1: they you know, it was tight, it was too tight

728
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 1: with Kansas City, where I thought they had a chance

729
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:19,319
Speaker 1: to blow hm out. Maybe if they had played they

730
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:21,759
Speaker 1: had a better receiving court because they had to be

731
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:25,240
Speaker 1: very religned on the legs of Josh Allen and James

732
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:26,520
Speaker 1: Cook in that game.

733
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Speaker 3: Yeah, fifteen to one.

734
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 2: That's on DraftKings, by the way, if other people, if

735
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:32,400
Speaker 2: people want to tail that one, so I think we

736
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:35,239
Speaker 2: could see some movement if if more. Again, a lot

737
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:37,480
Speaker 2: of this is mock draft driven. Like more of these

738
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:40,640
Speaker 2: mocks come out and start putting guys, and it only

739
00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:45,239
Speaker 2: takes one or two guys to start like doing you know,

740
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:47,880
Speaker 2: like plugging that in their mock draft to have it

741
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 2: start moving markets.

742
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:50,160
Speaker 3: And then when that.

743
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:52,440
Speaker 2: Happens, and then maybe you can come back and find

744
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:56,600
Speaker 2: a nice plus you know, two fifty on a on

745
00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:59,239
Speaker 2: a on a defensive end or something, right like like

746
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:02,640
Speaker 2: this is the fund of drafting, betting on the draft,

747
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:05,680
Speaker 2: and that's why we really, I mean, I wouldn't say

748
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:08,479
Speaker 2: you lost all your opportunity, but like I mean, even

749
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:11,920
Speaker 2: cam Ward he was he was literally like even money,

750
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:14,799
Speaker 2: like yeah, a month and a half ago and now

751
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:18,400
Speaker 2: it's just like a foregone conclusion. I wish I wasn't

752
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:22,359
Speaker 2: so enamored with Travis Hunter to it, Like I think

753
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 2: that was like just a major bias of mine, Raybond,

754
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:27,000
Speaker 2: because I love Travis Hunter so much and I can't

755
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:29,640
Speaker 2: fathom him not being the best player in this draft.

756
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 2: To like, if I took those blinders off, I probably

757
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 2: should have just bet cam Ward because he was the

758
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 2: safest thing. But I think, deep in my heart, I

759
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:39,040
Speaker 2: wanted it to be Travis Hunter.

760
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:43,839
Speaker 1: But it's gonna cost you never know, And I mean

761
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:47,640
Speaker 1: to your point, Will Loves was terrible. I I thought,

762
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:49,520
Speaker 1: do we get it? But yeah, I mean, you know,

763
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:51,200
Speaker 1: if if people was into this pod, you know, we

764
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:53,439
Speaker 1: were on, we were on. We were on cam Ward

765
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:55,480
Speaker 1: to go number one and Titans and all that. So

766
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 1: I mean, there's there's definitely like the real important thing

767
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:01,960
Speaker 1: is kind you're not going to hit everything, no, but

768
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:04,440
Speaker 1: you know, kind of the the more kind of spaced

769
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:06,360
Speaker 1: out you can get these just like your best ball draft,

770
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:08,360
Speaker 1: the more you can kind of get you know, drafted

771
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:11,360
Speaker 1: or bet at different points, get guys at peak value.

772
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:13,840
Speaker 1: You can kind of fade guys when they're getting over hyped.

773
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 1: I think that's the way to do it. So we

774
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:19,239
Speaker 1: might be looking, you know, look at this pod in

775
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:21,200
Speaker 1: a week or two and they you know, we might

776
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:22,960
Speaker 1: have some great values here, we might have some things

777
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:25,239
Speaker 1: that you no longer want, you probably no longer want

778
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:27,880
Speaker 1: to touch. So that's just how it goes with the

779
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:28,840
Speaker 1: with the draft.

780
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:32,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, And you never know because like as soon

781
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:34,240
Speaker 2: as this draft's over, then they start like opening markets

782
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:36,960
Speaker 2: for next year's draft, which is kind of silly to

783
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:39,239
Speaker 2: bet unless it's a guy like Trevor Lawrence who you like,

784
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:41,279
Speaker 2: are a positive that he's going to go pro and

785
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:43,880
Speaker 2: go number one. That I had money tied up for

786
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 2: like twelve months on that like number one pick at it.

787
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:49,719
Speaker 2: It was still like minus one seventy five or something,

788
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 2: but I was like, there's zero chance that he's not

789
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:54,399
Speaker 2: going to go number one, just because of the hype

790
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:56,759
Speaker 2: that was around him. So you know, look at these

791
00:36:57,200 --> 00:36:59,759
Speaker 2: you know, futures as portfolios, right, Like that's the way

792
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:02,239
Speaker 2: to do it, you know, I know, you know a

793
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:04,960
Speaker 2: lot of people like you know, betting quickly getting their

794
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:09,440
Speaker 2: return reinvesting. When I bet futures or even prop betting

795
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 2: like like this, it's like building that portfolio, put it

796
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:14,759
Speaker 2: all together, and then see what your ROI is at

797
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 2: the end.

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Speaker 3: So but it's fun.

799
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Speaker 2: It makes the weekend that much more enjoyable. You know,

800
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Speaker 2: we get the draft Thursday Friday, what's Saturday now, so

801
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Speaker 2: three extra days to bet on something football related. So

802
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:28,920
Speaker 2: I hope everybody kind of takes a look. And I'm

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Speaker 2: sure we'll have plenty of articles and other content here

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Speaker 2: on action in the in the coming weeks. But yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's a fun, fun time.

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Speaker 1: I mean, and West did only take you twelve months

807
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Speaker 1: to profit of Trevor Lawrence de jaguary going on for

808
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Speaker 1: five years now? Right? But great stuff, Dan, Tell everybody

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Speaker 1: and all that good stuff.

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