1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:06,000 Speaker 1: This is the most dramatic podcast ever and iHeartRadio Podcast. 2 00:00:08,280 --> 00:00:10,920 Speaker 2: Welcome everybody to the most dramatic podcast ever. 3 00:00:11,039 --> 00:00:12,760 Speaker 3: Today we have. 4 00:00:12,840 --> 00:00:15,800 Speaker 2: On a woman who's was caught up last year and 5 00:00:15,960 --> 00:00:17,599 Speaker 2: continues to be caught up this year, and one of 6 00:00:17,640 --> 00:00:21,599 Speaker 2: the most dramatic headline making moments ever scanned of all. 7 00:00:22,120 --> 00:00:25,959 Speaker 2: Katie Maloney of vander Pump Rules is joining us to 8 00:00:26,040 --> 00:00:29,720 Speaker 2: discuss where the season's at right now. They are in 9 00:00:29,880 --> 00:00:35,080 Speaker 2: these first season since Tom Sandoval publicly it came out 10 00:00:35,080 --> 00:00:38,120 Speaker 2: that he was cheating on his partner of more than 11 00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:41,720 Speaker 2: a decade, Arianna, with their very good friend Raquel. 12 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:43,200 Speaker 3: Katie and all. 13 00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:45,400 Speaker 2: Of the vander Pump Rules cast are in the middle 14 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:48,120 Speaker 2: of figuring it all out. Will they welcome Tom back 15 00:00:48,159 --> 00:00:50,080 Speaker 2: into the fold? What does it look like when a 16 00:00:50,120 --> 00:00:53,040 Speaker 2: relationship of over a decade falls apart on TV and 17 00:00:53,080 --> 00:00:55,440 Speaker 2: in front of the world. And actually Katie herself dealt 18 00:00:55,440 --> 00:00:57,800 Speaker 2: with that with her husband, Tom Schwartz, so they got 19 00:00:57,800 --> 00:00:58,800 Speaker 2: divorced and they're. 20 00:00:58,680 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 3: Still dealing with that fallout on TV. 21 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:02,000 Speaker 2: A lot of lessons to take away and a lot 22 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 2: of questions about the inner workings of reality television. 23 00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:07,360 Speaker 1: We are excited to have Katie Maloney on the show 24 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:10,399 Speaker 1: today to dive into all of this and so much more. 25 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:12,080 Speaker 1: There's Katie, Hi. 26 00:01:12,720 --> 00:01:15,520 Speaker 3: How are you good? I'm so glad this is finally happening. 27 00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:17,840 Speaker 2: I was looking back I DMD Katie today and I 28 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:20,000 Speaker 2: was looking bad back at when I was dming her 29 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:22,160 Speaker 2: around this time last year, going. 30 00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:23,959 Speaker 3: I can't believe the way they're treating you on this 31 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:26,560 Speaker 3: season of vander Fump Rules. They need to have more 32 00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:31,840 Speaker 3: respect for what you've been through. You know here it is. 33 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:33,680 Speaker 3: Have you guys ever met No? 34 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:35,959 Speaker 1: No, it's good to meet you. It's great to meet you. 35 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:39,560 Speaker 4: It's really nice to meet you. I think for a 36 00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:41,080 Speaker 4: majority of my life, and. 37 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:44,360 Speaker 1: I sadly you probably have. Yeah, you was probably when 38 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:46,240 Speaker 1: you were three the show started. 39 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:48,840 Speaker 4: No, I don't know when it was, but I was 40 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:49,440 Speaker 4: definitely young. 41 00:01:49,720 --> 00:01:50,720 Speaker 3: Were you a Bachelor fan? 42 00:01:50,800 --> 00:01:51,040 Speaker 4: Katie? 43 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:51,680 Speaker 3: I didn't know that. 44 00:01:52,520 --> 00:01:56,160 Speaker 4: Yeah. I sweahed with my mom, like from the beginning. 45 00:01:56,760 --> 00:01:59,080 Speaker 1: Oh really, yeah? Did you? 46 00:01:59,360 --> 00:01:59,480 Speaker 4: So? 47 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:03,920 Speaker 1: It's funny. Did you think watching the Bacher Batchler tte 48 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:06,000 Speaker 1: You're like, yeah, I'll do this someday or I wouldn't 49 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:08,200 Speaker 1: mind getting into reality TV? Was that ever a thing 50 00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:08,560 Speaker 1: for you? 51 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:13,720 Speaker 4: No? I didn't. I never ever thought reality TV and 52 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:18,800 Speaker 4: definitely never thought I'd do like the Bachelor Bachelor. No, yeah, 53 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:21,560 Speaker 4: I didn't think I'd ever like I never thought it 54 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:21,920 Speaker 4: was for me. 55 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:25,560 Speaker 2: Did you ever think that this is something that's been 56 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:30,040 Speaker 2: striking me about vander Pump Rules this season. They keep 57 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:33,480 Speaker 2: cutting back to like ten year old footage and they'll 58 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:36,560 Speaker 2: be like twenty thirteen, twenty fourteen, and I'm like, oh 59 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:38,480 Speaker 2: my gosh, vander Pump Rules has been on for over 60 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:40,720 Speaker 2: a decade. Did you ever think the show would last 61 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:41,119 Speaker 2: this long? 62 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:47,240 Speaker 4: No, I mean I hope, you know, for a long time. 63 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:49,480 Speaker 4: It was just kind of like, I hope we get 64 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:52,360 Speaker 4: another season. I hope. I'm as bach for another season. 65 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:57,440 Speaker 4: But I think at this I mean, it's so hard 66 00:02:57,480 --> 00:02:59,360 Speaker 4: to get past the second season. 67 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:01,320 Speaker 1: Even yeah, it's. 68 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:04,520 Speaker 4: So oversaturated, But even when our show first started, I 69 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:07,160 Speaker 4: think we just were like, well, we may as well 70 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:09,080 Speaker 4: try to make it the best we can and just 71 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:12,000 Speaker 4: like really show up for it. I know. 72 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 1: That's what's funny. People talk to me about the Bacheler 73 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:17,240 Speaker 1: and the success, and it's like, well, you have to remember, 74 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:19,920 Speaker 1: it's not a success. It's just vander Pump Rules, and 75 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:22,280 Speaker 1: it's this new idea and the Bacheler was the same 76 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:24,960 Speaker 1: way when it started, and you're just praying to God 77 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:27,160 Speaker 1: you get season two, and then you're praying to God 78 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:29,560 Speaker 1: you get season three, and you never feel like any 79 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 1: of it's promised to you. And part of that is 80 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:34,360 Speaker 1: the networks and the studios are very good about never 81 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:37,080 Speaker 1: allowing you to have power. They want to keep you 82 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:39,080 Speaker 1: down and make you cared. Yeah, they want to make you. 83 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:41,560 Speaker 2: Feel anyone could replace you at any moment, and everyone 84 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:42,320 Speaker 2: wants this job. 85 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:44,840 Speaker 1: They always want to make you feel like you were replaceable, 86 00:03:44,880 --> 00:03:47,360 Speaker 1: even if you're not. But that is part of it, 87 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:49,440 Speaker 1: and people kind of forget that. They just go, oh 88 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 1: my gosh, vander Pump, it's going to be or forever, 89 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:55,440 Speaker 1: it's always going and you're you're a millionaire, and it's like, no, 90 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:57,640 Speaker 1: I'm scared to death just hoping to keep my job. 91 00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:02,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, there's no job security, there's no like feeling complacent 92 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:07,400 Speaker 4: or no, you're just you're constantly just like yeah, it's 93 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:08,720 Speaker 4: a little terrible. Yeah. 94 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:10,720 Speaker 2: They're never like Katie, we love you, We're gonna go ahead, 95 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:12,520 Speaker 2: you know what, let's do a ten year deal like 96 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:13,160 Speaker 2: you were in. 97 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:16,640 Speaker 1: Well, you know what's interesting too, Katie that the parallels 98 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:20,440 Speaker 1: are pretty similar. As I watch I've watched more reality 99 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:22,840 Speaker 1: TV after I've left The Batcher probably than I ever 100 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 1: did before, maybe. 101 00:04:23,520 --> 00:04:24,839 Speaker 3: Because it was work for you before. 102 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 1: And so now when I watch vander Pomper, I watch 103 00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:28,800 Speaker 1: these other shows, I'm like, you know what, vander Pump's 104 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:31,480 Speaker 1: kind of similar in that it's a job and you 105 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 1: are hoping to be picked up for another season and 106 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:37,400 Speaker 1: all those things that are business related, but it's also, Katie, 107 00:04:37,560 --> 00:04:39,760 Speaker 1: it's also your life, and it is your emotions and 108 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:42,040 Speaker 1: it is your so it's it's very similar in that 109 00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:45,159 Speaker 1: way because people that go through it, you're really going 110 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:47,000 Speaker 1: through it, and it's a job. 111 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:51,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, And I think I think that's something that people 112 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:54,760 Speaker 4: forget because they're just watching and being entertained and the 113 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:56,919 Speaker 4: whole thing, and they're you know, they can get a 114 00:04:56,920 --> 00:04:59,800 Speaker 4: bit ravenous for it, and they want the instant gratific, 115 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:04,679 Speaker 4: they want more, and I'm just like over here just 116 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 4: trying to get through it and repair my life and 117 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:11,360 Speaker 4: repair friendships in between, and just you know, keep moving. 118 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:16,159 Speaker 4: And it's it's so unconventional and I think people don't 119 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:18,719 Speaker 4: understand how difficult it can be until they sign up 120 00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:20,160 Speaker 4: for it and then they're like, oh, wait a minute, 121 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:22,720 Speaker 4: I don't if I like this. 122 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:25,839 Speaker 2: So Katie, I'm going to dive in and I'll tell 123 00:05:25,880 --> 00:05:30,000 Speaker 2: you I watched. I was behind. I watched all of 124 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:32,800 Speaker 2: season two up till I'm now caught up. In the 125 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:37,160 Speaker 2: last three days, I've watched what I know. 126 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:39,000 Speaker 1: Lauren's been on a bender. 127 00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:41,760 Speaker 2: I've been in a dark place watching it. I've been 128 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:43,960 Speaker 2: texting him like, is love real now? 129 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:48,680 Speaker 1: It's almost yet it's shaking up our marriage by the way. 130 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:50,480 Speaker 1: It's like I kind of I. 131 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:52,039 Speaker 2: Kind of do that sometimes though, because I have a 132 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:54,120 Speaker 2: hard time. Sometimes there's so much on Bravo, and I 133 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:56,440 Speaker 2: love Bravo, but I can't so sometimes I like hold 134 00:05:56,480 --> 00:05:58,240 Speaker 2: off on something and then I just binge it later. 135 00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:03,920 Speaker 2: But so here's my first question. I have been so struck. 136 00:06:04,120 --> 00:06:07,240 Speaker 2: Can you tell me how much time was it between 137 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:11,040 Speaker 2: when the reunion was filmed from last season after scandaval 138 00:06:11,080 --> 00:06:13,640 Speaker 2: and when you guys started filming. How much time was there? 139 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:20,520 Speaker 4: It was roughly maybe a little over three months. 140 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:21,360 Speaker 3: Oh three months, Okay. 141 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:27,240 Speaker 2: I've been struck by how quickly people seem to be 142 00:06:27,440 --> 00:06:31,160 Speaker 2: like people not you and Ariana seem to be welcoming 143 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:34,960 Speaker 2: Tom Sandoval back into the fold like in the beginning, 144 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:36,919 Speaker 2: in the first couple episodes. I mean, yes, there was, 145 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:40,360 Speaker 2: but I was like, oh, people who were so angry 146 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 2: at him at the reunion have really changed their tune. 147 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:46,880 Speaker 2: Was that striking to you. I mean I'm talking about 148 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:50,480 Speaker 2: like Laala and like Shina. I just was a little shocked, 149 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:53,920 Speaker 2: especially I think by Laala because she was so mad 150 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:54,720 Speaker 2: at the reunion. 151 00:06:56,600 --> 00:07:00,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, it was. And it was being kind of position 152 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:02,520 Speaker 4: to us of like, you know, I want to move 153 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:04,880 Speaker 4: on and let go of anger, and I think, like 154 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:08,560 Speaker 4: that's totally fair. I wasn't necessarily hanging on to it. 155 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:11,360 Speaker 4: I had just made a decision about how I felt 156 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:17,680 Speaker 4: about the person. I don't keep that person around, you know. 157 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:20,920 Speaker 4: I was moving forward with the knowledge of who that 158 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:23,520 Speaker 4: person is and whether or not they add value to 159 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:26,640 Speaker 4: my life, and was just like, no, thanks. It wasn't 160 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:29,840 Speaker 4: me holding onto anger. I don't. It's not like I 161 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:31,880 Speaker 4: woke up every day and was like, must hate Tom 162 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:35,360 Speaker 4: Sandibal and put all my into that decision. It just 163 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:39,440 Speaker 4: was like, uh, yeah, I've collected that and this is 164 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:42,600 Speaker 4: how I'm moving forward. So yeah, it was a little 165 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:46,440 Speaker 4: shocking because I just I don't. I don't know. I 166 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:49,560 Speaker 4: felt like I felt like they had to kind of 167 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:54,600 Speaker 4: work extra hard to explain why they were kind of 168 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:56,760 Speaker 4: opening themselves up to it. I was like, that feels 169 00:07:56,760 --> 00:07:57,520 Speaker 4: like a lot of work. 170 00:07:57,600 --> 00:08:00,600 Speaker 3: I don't, well, was that honestly? Is that just for 171 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:01,000 Speaker 3: the show? 172 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:03,080 Speaker 2: Was that because it's like, we've got to have Tom 173 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:05,640 Speaker 2: Sandval back in here, because you know, we need this 174 00:08:05,760 --> 00:08:08,000 Speaker 2: narrative to continue, and so hey, we need you guys 175 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:10,600 Speaker 2: to like welcome him back in. That's where my producer 176 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:12,800 Speaker 2: awareness mind goes, which you have a better one than 177 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:13,160 Speaker 2: me on that. 178 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:15,320 Speaker 1: Well, and by the way, kudos to the producers, Like 179 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:16,920 Speaker 1: and I know you guys didn't have anything to do 180 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:18,800 Speaker 1: with it, but many shows would have said, Okay, after 181 00:08:18,840 --> 00:08:21,200 Speaker 1: this big scandal, we got to get rid of one 182 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:24,520 Speaker 1: of them. You know, we're not bringing Tom back. I 183 00:08:24,520 --> 00:08:26,600 Speaker 1: thought it was a stroke of genius to bring him back. 184 00:08:26,760 --> 00:08:28,240 Speaker 1: They still have him on the show. I mean, as 185 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:30,880 Speaker 1: a producer, I'm like, you got to include him. But yeah, 186 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:33,959 Speaker 1: I think it's interesting. Did they ever talk to any 187 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:37,160 Speaker 1: of you guys or was that just independently you just 188 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:40,600 Speaker 1: figured individually this is how I'm going to treat it. 189 00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:45,280 Speaker 4: I mean whoever was going to come back or was 190 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:47,679 Speaker 4: willing to come back. Of course they wanted to follow that. 191 00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:50,280 Speaker 4: I mean it is they wanted to see what the 192 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:52,840 Speaker 4: aftermath was going to be and how that was going 193 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:56,360 Speaker 4: to be navigated by everyone that was still involved. But 194 00:08:56,400 --> 00:08:59,120 Speaker 4: of course it was you know, everyone has their own 195 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:01,480 Speaker 4: different feelings about it, and like I felt the way 196 00:09:01,520 --> 00:09:04,600 Speaker 4: I felt, and if there was going to be conversations 197 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:08,040 Speaker 4: or should there be conversations obviously like this is who 198 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:11,320 Speaker 4: was involved, so as many conversations that could we had, 199 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:15,480 Speaker 4: they wanted to see that, but ultimately I was in 200 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:16,920 Speaker 4: charge of what I was going to say. 201 00:09:17,360 --> 00:09:20,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, let me ask this question. If the cameras 202 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:24,320 Speaker 2: were not rolling, would Laala ever talk to Tom standerbal Again, 203 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:31,680 Speaker 2: that's a good question. I'm like, maybe Sena would. I 204 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:32,800 Speaker 2: think Shena maybe would. 205 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:37,760 Speaker 4: Yeah. I mean again, I can agree with that. But 206 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:41,320 Speaker 4: you know, I always try to do I always try 207 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:43,600 Speaker 4: to look at things like would I do this if 208 00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 4: cameras were not here? 209 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:46,480 Speaker 3: I always want to do That's how you're living. 210 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:49,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, And I mean like, yeah, there's and then there's 211 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:52,120 Speaker 4: some things, Yeah, there's little things whatever. But for the 212 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:55,080 Speaker 4: most part, I really have to. In order for me 213 00:09:55,080 --> 00:09:56,960 Speaker 4: to feel good about the things I'm saying and doing, 214 00:09:56,960 --> 00:09:59,160 Speaker 4: I need to like one hundred percent believe them. 215 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:02,199 Speaker 3: Yeah, do you think that? I don't think everybody operates 216 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:10,880 Speaker 3: that way on the show. I so. 217 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:18,679 Speaker 2: Tom Schwartz, your ex husband on the show. Still, you 218 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:20,560 Speaker 2: guys seem to be in a better place this season. 219 00:10:20,920 --> 00:10:23,160 Speaker 2: How would you describe how things were for you now 220 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:25,320 Speaker 2: versus last year and where you guys are at. It 221 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:27,920 Speaker 2: seems a little lighter, a little more laughy, But how 222 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:28,200 Speaker 2: are you? 223 00:10:30,080 --> 00:10:36,120 Speaker 4: Yeah? I think just having a little more time put 224 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:41,440 Speaker 4: between us, and you know, just healing from divorce and 225 00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:45,680 Speaker 4: more established boundaries has helped us a lot, because, you know, 226 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:49,000 Speaker 4: we went from being married and husband and wife to 227 00:10:49,160 --> 00:10:53,280 Speaker 4: like trying to be friends, and. 228 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:51,040 Speaker 1: It was. 229 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:56,640 Speaker 4: Difficult to do and he wasn't able to respect my 230 00:10:56,760 --> 00:10:58,760 Speaker 4: feelings and kind of the things I needed in order 231 00:10:58,800 --> 00:11:01,200 Speaker 4: to feel comfortable with that, and that heard a lot, 232 00:11:01,800 --> 00:11:03,880 Speaker 4: and so I had to kind of put a lot 233 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:08,040 Speaker 4: of distance between us and remove access to my life 234 00:11:08,400 --> 00:11:14,400 Speaker 4: for him, and he understood that, and slowly we just 235 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:16,360 Speaker 4: were kind of able to figure out some kind of 236 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:18,280 Speaker 4: semblance and what that looked like a lot of it 237 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:21,839 Speaker 4: had to do with our dogs. But we always had 238 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:25,079 Speaker 4: like a really great friendship, and no one really got 239 00:11:25,080 --> 00:11:26,320 Speaker 4: to see a lot of that. They saw a lot 240 00:11:26,320 --> 00:11:29,040 Speaker 4: of the arguments and the fights and the bad stuff. 241 00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:31,000 Speaker 4: But we were together for a really long time and 242 00:11:31,040 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 4: there was a reason for that, and it was because 243 00:11:33,520 --> 00:11:36,200 Speaker 4: we did enjoy each other and we had love for 244 00:11:36,280 --> 00:11:39,560 Speaker 4: each other. And so what you're seeing now is that 245 00:11:40,240 --> 00:11:42,640 Speaker 4: what we kind of have that held us together a 246 00:11:42,679 --> 00:11:43,079 Speaker 4: little bit. 247 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:46,960 Speaker 1: Well, you all were married for ten years, right together, together. 248 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:50,480 Speaker 4: Together for twelve years and married for almost six. 249 00:11:50,760 --> 00:11:52,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, so it's a long time. 250 00:11:52,559 --> 00:11:54,840 Speaker 1: And I think that's what people forget. It's like, this 251 00:11:55,040 --> 00:11:58,120 Speaker 1: wasn't one of these reality show things where it's like, oh, 252 00:11:58,160 --> 00:12:01,240 Speaker 1: we got married in June and then by Christmas, weird 253 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:03,240 Speaker 1: of void. It's not the Bachelor, So it's yeah, exactly, 254 00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:05,360 Speaker 1: so it's like, move on, get over it. It's like 255 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:11,080 Speaker 1: this was a decade's plus long relationship and marriage. That 256 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:14,360 Speaker 1: is something that is tough to mourn. It's tough to 257 00:12:14,400 --> 00:12:17,280 Speaker 1: go through as a normal human being where you could 258 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:21,440 Speaker 1: remove yourself from a toxic situation and start to heal 259 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:24,040 Speaker 1: yourself right, and you can put up those boundaries and 260 00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:27,440 Speaker 1: start working on boundaries. If you are put back into 261 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:33,280 Speaker 1: a work situation publicly where we're shooting television, that is 262 00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:36,200 Speaker 1: that had to be unbelievably difficult for you. You had 263 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:38,360 Speaker 1: to have some really hard times. 264 00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:43,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, last year was incredibly difficult because I felt like 265 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:47,400 Speaker 4: everyone kind of really rallied around him and forgot that 266 00:12:47,640 --> 00:12:51,720 Speaker 4: I was also struggling. And it wasn't easy. There was 267 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:58,040 Speaker 4: I think, I in you know, the public guy. You know, 268 00:12:58,080 --> 00:13:00,000 Speaker 4: I was a lot tougher, so I was able to 269 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:03,040 Speaker 4: kind of present myself as being very strong and because 270 00:13:03,040 --> 00:13:06,600 Speaker 4: I am, you know, I'm a tough bitch. But you know, 271 00:13:06,679 --> 00:13:09,400 Speaker 4: but it doesn't mean that I wasn't still struggling, or 272 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:12,240 Speaker 4: I didn't go home and sob and you know, there 273 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:16,560 Speaker 4: there's days of that. But I think people thought I 274 00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:19,800 Speaker 4: was trying to like control him because I had, you know, 275 00:13:19,960 --> 00:13:22,880 Speaker 4: certain things that I had put in place in order 276 00:13:22,920 --> 00:13:27,360 Speaker 4: to feel comfortable being in the environment of working together 277 00:13:27,400 --> 00:13:32,440 Speaker 4: and still co mingling, and people couldn't quite understand that. 278 00:13:34,280 --> 00:13:38,200 Speaker 2: And I think strong people suffered, Katie, Like I think that. 279 00:13:38,840 --> 00:13:43,480 Speaker 2: I mean, I feel like, first of all, we kind 280 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:46,240 Speaker 2: of live in this culture that like really rallies around 281 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:49,320 Speaker 2: the victim, or at least who the perceived victim is. 282 00:13:49,800 --> 00:13:51,800 Speaker 2: But I think what ends up happening is when you're 283 00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:55,480 Speaker 2: the strong one, Well then people like they think you're fine, 284 00:13:55,600 --> 00:13:58,000 Speaker 2: and they don't worry about you, and they don't ask 285 00:13:58,040 --> 00:14:00,240 Speaker 2: you if you're okay because you're not like showing you're 286 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:03,240 Speaker 2: not crying, you know, and so then you get forgotten, 287 00:14:03,280 --> 00:14:04,480 Speaker 2: a little bitter, you get ignored. 288 00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:05,560 Speaker 3: Did you feel that way? 289 00:14:07,400 --> 00:14:12,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, because I also was the one that left or 290 00:14:12,160 --> 00:14:14,319 Speaker 4: asked for the divorce, So you know. 291 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:17,520 Speaker 2: There was because you made the smart decision, the mature decision. 292 00:14:17,760 --> 00:14:20,640 Speaker 4: It was also like not something I necessarily. It wasn't 293 00:14:20,640 --> 00:14:22,600 Speaker 4: a decision I want, Like I didn't. No one wants 294 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:25,480 Speaker 4: to get divorced. I wanted him to step up and 295 00:14:25,520 --> 00:14:28,200 Speaker 4: show up for me and be, you know, the partner 296 00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:30,960 Speaker 4: and the husband that I really wanted and was hoping 297 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:33,800 Speaker 4: he could be. But when I realized that was probably 298 00:14:33,840 --> 00:14:35,480 Speaker 4: never going to happen, I had to make a decision. 299 00:14:35,560 --> 00:14:38,920 Speaker 4: I really didn't want to have to, but ultimately I 300 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:41,960 Speaker 4: wanted to be happy and not be lonely inside of 301 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:45,640 Speaker 4: a marriage that shouldn't be how it is. So I 302 00:14:45,680 --> 00:14:47,920 Speaker 4: was like, okay, well I could stay in this and 303 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:50,480 Speaker 4: just feel kind of the way I have been feeling. 304 00:14:50,680 --> 00:14:56,880 Speaker 4: Or I could leave and rebuild and be happier alone, 305 00:14:56,920 --> 00:14:57,920 Speaker 4: or maybe find someone else. 306 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:01,800 Speaker 1: I don't know, so I think, but that's a dynamic. 307 00:15:01,880 --> 00:15:04,040 Speaker 1: You live through something that most of us and I 308 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:06,200 Speaker 1: say most of us because for most of ourse. 309 00:15:06,080 --> 00:15:07,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, I applaud you so much. 310 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:11,280 Speaker 2: I can't imagine jumping back into a televised situation. 311 00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:14,560 Speaker 1: Well, when you go through a divorce, right, so say 312 00:15:14,640 --> 00:15:16,920 Speaker 1: it was your decision, and I know in this case 313 00:15:16,920 --> 00:15:20,120 Speaker 1: it was, Well, you would still have your life and 314 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:22,880 Speaker 1: this is off camera where you would go, and you 315 00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:25,400 Speaker 1: would have your support system, right, your girls, your friends 316 00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:28,080 Speaker 1: would know, this is why Katie made this decision. We're 317 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:30,440 Speaker 1: proud of you, we love you, we support you. There 318 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:33,520 Speaker 1: is no martyr in the situation. There's no court of 319 00:15:33,560 --> 00:15:37,000 Speaker 1: public opinion. Typically, right, we just go our separate ways 320 00:15:37,040 --> 00:15:41,600 Speaker 1: and fight over the dogs. But in your situation, you 321 00:15:41,760 --> 00:15:46,200 Speaker 1: made what was probably a very brilliant, great move for 322 00:15:46,280 --> 00:15:50,400 Speaker 1: you. You should be applauded, you should be supported, and instead 323 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:54,800 Speaker 1: it's the court of public opinion on television. Who's the martyr, 324 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:57,960 Speaker 1: who's the victim, who's to blame? That's how we play 325 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:00,280 Speaker 1: this on reality TV. So you went through some thing. 326 00:16:01,760 --> 00:16:03,600 Speaker 1: Maybe I don't know if unfair is the right word, 327 00:16:03,640 --> 00:16:05,680 Speaker 1: but just difficult to say the least. 328 00:16:06,880 --> 00:16:10,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, And I don't know if it's just because I've 329 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:18,280 Speaker 4: had to live so many like uncomfortable and so so 330 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:20,680 Speaker 4: many of those moments already on TV that I was like, well, 331 00:16:20,680 --> 00:16:24,560 Speaker 4: here's another one. You know, we go sort of able 332 00:16:24,640 --> 00:16:26,760 Speaker 4: just to like kind of not tune it out, but 333 00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:32,080 Speaker 4: just it feels it's not new to me. But it 334 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:34,520 Speaker 4: was a little difficult when I didn't feel like I 335 00:16:34,520 --> 00:16:37,520 Speaker 4: had the support of the people in the room with me, 336 00:16:37,880 --> 00:16:40,480 Speaker 4: and I was kind of going through that season just 337 00:16:40,520 --> 00:16:45,880 Speaker 4: feeling like is this for real? Like not like Lallah 338 00:16:46,880 --> 00:16:50,120 Speaker 4: and then Christina Kelly, but everyone was just really feeling 339 00:16:50,160 --> 00:16:53,200 Speaker 4: bad for him and forgetting, forgetting all the moments that 340 00:16:53,200 --> 00:16:57,720 Speaker 4: they'd been present for along the years, Like you guys 341 00:16:57,760 --> 00:17:00,360 Speaker 4: all know why I made the decision, like you were. 342 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:02,320 Speaker 1: There, well, and what is it where we think that 343 00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:05,680 Speaker 1: the person that made the decision because he's okay, like 344 00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:08,440 Speaker 1: like Katie's okay, Like she made this decision, so clearly 345 00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:10,680 Speaker 1: she's already gotten to the point where she's fine. She's 346 00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:36,920 Speaker 1: not hurting and she's she's not feeling anything. Oh poor him. 347 00:17:25,840 --> 00:17:28,760 Speaker 2: Well, and his history now repeating itself, because this is 348 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:31,840 Speaker 2: how I felt like at the beach Day episode of 349 00:17:31,880 --> 00:17:35,399 Speaker 2: this season. It's like it is starting to feel like again, 350 00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:38,120 Speaker 2: like everyone's kind of rallying around Tom and pitying Tom 351 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:41,480 Speaker 2: now and like thinking that, well, Arianna is fine, and 352 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:44,280 Speaker 2: because she's got these like deals going on and she's fine, 353 00:17:44,359 --> 00:17:46,440 Speaker 2: and it's feeling like the same situation again. 354 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:49,480 Speaker 4: Well yeah, And that's a lot of why I've like 355 00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:53,359 Speaker 4: really kind of sympathized and you know, wanted to be 356 00:17:53,520 --> 00:17:57,520 Speaker 4: really supportive of Arianna because everyone assumes, because you know, 357 00:17:57,560 --> 00:18:01,280 Speaker 4: she's getting these opportunities and seeming doing like very well 358 00:18:02,920 --> 00:18:06,359 Speaker 4: and that aspect, and she's met a really great guy 359 00:18:06,560 --> 00:18:11,960 Speaker 4: that that should make up for the heartbreak and the 360 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:15,760 Speaker 4: trauma and everything, and it just it doesn't. It doesn't. 361 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:18,480 Speaker 4: Someone can bounce back, and someone can rebuild, and someone 362 00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:23,240 Speaker 4: can do really great in therapy and healed doesn't mean 363 00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:27,280 Speaker 4: that it doesn't hurt, and it's not you know, really 364 00:18:28,119 --> 00:18:31,199 Speaker 4: like everyone goes through that. You're not. No one's immune to. 365 00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:33,639 Speaker 1: That, right, well, yeah, no one. No one gets out 366 00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:36,480 Speaker 1: of this life un skate especially and when you're going 367 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:40,159 Speaker 1: through divorce. It's Laura and I talk about this about, 368 00:18:40,280 --> 00:18:43,280 Speaker 1: you know, taking it to the kind of quote unquote 369 00:18:43,280 --> 00:18:48,680 Speaker 1: real world of when say someone in your neighborhood gets divorced, 370 00:18:49,119 --> 00:18:53,080 Speaker 1: and with that social dynamic, where do you fit in? 371 00:18:53,320 --> 00:18:53,520 Speaker 4: Right? 372 00:18:53,560 --> 00:18:55,840 Speaker 1: You want to empathize and you want to sympathize with both, 373 00:18:56,200 --> 00:18:58,600 Speaker 1: but it's like, you know, how do I treat both 374 00:18:58,680 --> 00:19:02,119 Speaker 1: of them? Am I still friends with him? And am 375 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:04,600 Speaker 1: I still friends with her? That's always it's and so 376 00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:06,760 Speaker 1: it's fascinating to watch this play out on vander Pump, 377 00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:08,359 Speaker 1: but it's you know, we all go through this to 378 00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:09,200 Speaker 1: a certain degree. 379 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:11,000 Speaker 4: That's why Tom and I were like, well, I don't 380 00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:15,199 Speaker 4: pick sides because we it was very peaceful between us. 381 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:17,520 Speaker 4: Really don't pick a side. And that's when people did 382 00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:21,879 Speaker 4: pick aside. I was like, wait a minute, he specifically side. 383 00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:27,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, I've seen headlines that your ex husband, Tom Schwartz 384 00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:28,240 Speaker 2: is dating someone else. 385 00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:32,680 Speaker 3: Where are you at with that? Like he's okay. 386 00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:35,119 Speaker 2: What's interesting is we're watching him say on this season 387 00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:37,760 Speaker 2: right now that he's not ready for a relationship, Like 388 00:19:37,800 --> 00:19:39,920 Speaker 2: that's why he's not with this Joe person. He's saying 389 00:19:39,920 --> 00:19:42,240 Speaker 2: that he's not ready for something. Do you think he's 390 00:19:42,280 --> 00:19:45,320 Speaker 2: ready for a relationship now? Has he changed? Has he growned? 391 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:47,199 Speaker 2: I don't know how much. You guys still talk and 392 00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:48,480 Speaker 2: like is this a serious thing? 393 00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:56,800 Speaker 4: What a typical guy thing to say, a relationship? And 394 00:19:56,840 --> 00:19:59,159 Speaker 4: then it's like the next week they were like in one. 395 00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:03,000 Speaker 4: I don't want be like the authority on what is 396 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:07,000 Speaker 4: good for him was bathroom. I want him to be happy. Ultimately, 397 00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:14,879 Speaker 4: I do feel like he's still very unsure about why 398 00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:16,840 Speaker 4: we fell apart. I feel like I don't think he 399 00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:24,159 Speaker 4: really understands his part in that is. I feel like 400 00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:28,120 Speaker 4: he could really benefit from therapy. I think he kind 401 00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:35,679 Speaker 4: of uh runs from those deep feelings, from that emotional 402 00:20:37,080 --> 00:20:40,560 Speaker 4: part of it, And so I think before maybe just 403 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:45,000 Speaker 4: getting into a relationship, I think maybe unpacking that a bit, 404 00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:49,440 Speaker 4: maybe sitting with that for a moment because it was you. 405 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:54,480 Speaker 1: Know, traumatic, sounds too soon to you? 406 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:56,800 Speaker 4: Well, I mean, I don't. I don't know. Again, like 407 00:20:56,880 --> 00:21:00,480 Speaker 4: I don't. I don't want to be the one that 408 00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:03,240 Speaker 4: you say he should or shouldn't right, And who knows. 409 00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:07,719 Speaker 4: I mean, maybe it'll work out in point, maybe this 410 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:08,760 Speaker 4: will help heal him. 411 00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:11,000 Speaker 2: I don't know, but you're so right that you can't, 412 00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:12,640 Speaker 2: Like you just hit the nail on the head of 413 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:15,440 Speaker 2: what it's so simple but so brilliant what you're saying. 414 00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:18,439 Speaker 2: You're not going to have a successful Like it's like 415 00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:20,680 Speaker 2: the definition of being crazy is doing the same thing 416 00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:23,080 Speaker 2: over and over again expecting different results. You're not going 417 00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:25,199 Speaker 2: to have a successful relationship if you didn't figure out 418 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:27,200 Speaker 2: what went wrong, what you were doing wrong in the past. 419 00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:31,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's you think it's this person. You 420 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:32,760 Speaker 1: think it's this person. You think it's this person. Finally 421 00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:34,640 Speaker 1: you've got to stare in the mirror and realize, oh, 422 00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:35,760 Speaker 1: it's that person. 423 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:36,879 Speaker 4: Is it? 424 00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:39,920 Speaker 1: Has it been weird though for you to just watch 425 00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:42,399 Speaker 1: your ex start dating again? That's always Again, that's something 426 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:45,800 Speaker 1: that we've all been through. We're all divorced. It's there's 427 00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:48,399 Speaker 1: always that awkwardness. And again, we don't have to do 428 00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:49,679 Speaker 1: it on national television. 429 00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:54,399 Speaker 4: I mean, at first it was a little weird, like 430 00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:57,440 Speaker 4: the thought of it, but at this point, like, no, 431 00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:00,680 Speaker 4: but do I want to be around them and hang out? Yeah? 432 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:03,520 Speaker 1: Do I want to follow it on social media and 433 00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:08,760 Speaker 1: well show. 434 00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:09,679 Speaker 4: I don't really want to like double date or like 435 00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:14,639 Speaker 4: it's kind of like I should be able to separate 436 00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:15,160 Speaker 4: from it. 437 00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:18,119 Speaker 1: And yeah, but you know, the producers are never going 438 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:19,280 Speaker 1: to let you separate from that. 439 00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:22,439 Speaker 4: I know. But it's just like, but only because for me, 440 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:25,199 Speaker 4: it's like I feel like people are like assuming that 441 00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:28,480 Speaker 4: I'm gonna like be mean or bully her or have 442 00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:31,719 Speaker 4: all these opinions. And it's just like, I mean, of 443 00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:35,040 Speaker 4: course I I'll have opinions of everybody in who they date. 444 00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:38,160 Speaker 4: It's not just going to be Tom. But and that's 445 00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:39,840 Speaker 4: and that's why I just like I kind of just 446 00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:42,760 Speaker 4: like resent having to be around it because it doesn't 447 00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:45,000 Speaker 4: matter like what I say or do, It doesn't matter 448 00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:47,880 Speaker 4: if I'm get along with her, great that they'll think 449 00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:52,040 Speaker 4: that there's some other I'll interior motive. I just feel 450 00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:53,760 Speaker 4: like I can do no wrong or do no right, 451 00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:55,960 Speaker 4: and so it's just kind of like I just want 452 00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:58,879 Speaker 4: to like have a little separation there. You know. 453 00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:01,280 Speaker 2: Okay, I'm asking you one more question, even though I 454 00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:03,920 Speaker 2: really appreciate your like, I don't know what I should say. 455 00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:07,320 Speaker 2: But you also know both of these men very well. 456 00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:12,080 Speaker 2: You've known them for well over a decade. Is Shorts 457 00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:18,000 Speaker 2: and Sandoval's friendship inhibiting both of them from like doing 458 00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:20,240 Speaker 2: exactly what you're talking about and growing you know what 459 00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:23,320 Speaker 2: I'm saying. Well, like they're talking about potentially moving in together. 460 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:26,560 Speaker 2: That's in the most recent episode, and I'm sitting there 461 00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:32,200 Speaker 2: being like, this is like they're what they're speaking into 462 00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:35,840 Speaker 2: existence is like the La Peter Pan never growing up thing? 463 00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:40,679 Speaker 2: And are they both like keeping each other in this place? 464 00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:43,120 Speaker 2: Is this healthy for them? How can they move forward 465 00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:44,960 Speaker 2: and start growing up? Is it possible? 466 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:51,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a terrible idea, I mean them living together. 467 00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:57,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, I feel like there's a bit of like arrested 468 00:23:57,119 --> 00:24:02,800 Speaker 4: development between those two. I feel that, you know, Tom Shorts, 469 00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:07,520 Speaker 4: he almost he doesn't want to call Tom out on 470 00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:10,359 Speaker 4: his bad behavior and his mistakes, and that's I feel 471 00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:15,080 Speaker 4: like that's such an issue in a friendship because I 472 00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:19,199 Speaker 4: think you should be able to be very real and 473 00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:22,160 Speaker 4: upfront with your friends, especially when they behave that way. 474 00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:24,359 Speaker 4: And the fact that he was just so reluctant to 475 00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:29,840 Speaker 4: do so and separate himself in such a brutal time, 476 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:34,600 Speaker 4: like was really eye opening, very illuminating as to like 477 00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:40,240 Speaker 4: what goes on in that friendship. And I think just potentially, yeah, 478 00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:44,280 Speaker 4: and that's what I'm curious about too with like another 479 00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:47,960 Speaker 4: like relationship. It's like, well, if Tom gets heavily involved 480 00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:50,960 Speaker 4: with someone else, unlet's say sanevel like starts to feel 481 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:53,399 Speaker 4: like that's a threat to him or their brand or 482 00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:56,280 Speaker 4: their business, Like is he going to treat her the same? Well? 483 00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:57,760 Speaker 2: I know, good, like what you just said, I know 484 00:24:57,800 --> 00:24:59,679 Speaker 2: you felt like and it's still being talked about this 485 00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:03,880 Speaker 2: season and that Sandoval and like the business really affected 486 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:06,000 Speaker 2: you all's marriage and relationship. 487 00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:09,880 Speaker 4: Well yeah, I mean because he just acted like I 488 00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:12,240 Speaker 4: wanted to come in and control things. But I just 489 00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:15,520 Speaker 4: just wanted to help out and be involved because like 490 00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:20,280 Speaker 4: why not, you know, I wanted it was My intentions 491 00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:23,959 Speaker 4: were good and pure, but he acted like I was 492 00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:26,560 Speaker 4: trying to come in and like mess it all up. Yeah, 493 00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:33,119 Speaker 4: very weird about it and felt just threatened. I don't know. 494 00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:36,960 Speaker 4: So yeah, it did cause issues, and because Tom Schwartz 495 00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:39,520 Speaker 4: just kind of started to go with his perspective and 496 00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:42,120 Speaker 4: view on it as well. Well. 497 00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:44,800 Speaker 2: I mean we're also watching Tom's Sandoval talk about starting 498 00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:46,960 Speaker 2: to date again this season, and I'm sitting there watching 499 00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:50,320 Speaker 2: him going, Okay, he's definitely not ready to get in 500 00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:57,360 Speaker 2: another relationship, Like what is this storyline. 501 00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:02,080 Speaker 4: The way he do we call it? According hits On, 502 00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:05,400 Speaker 4: it is remarkable. 503 00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:10,000 Speaker 2: Is growth possible for Schwartz? Is growth possible for Sandoval? 504 00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:12,359 Speaker 2: Because then word narcissist has been used a lot, and 505 00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:14,560 Speaker 2: I think what we've the basic level of what you 506 00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:17,040 Speaker 2: know about a narcissist is like they can't really change. 507 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:19,199 Speaker 2: So what do you think what is the possibility for 508 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:20,760 Speaker 2: each of them? 509 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:27,439 Speaker 4: Again? I think I think therapy. I think doing some 510 00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:32,040 Speaker 4: like real like shadow work, like really meeting the dark 511 00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:37,680 Speaker 4: parts of yourself so you can see those bits of yourself. 512 00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:42,919 Speaker 4: You know. I don't know if they really met themselves. 513 00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:46,399 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I mean with Sandoval truly, just from what 514 00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:48,959 Speaker 1: I've seen from the outside, just seems like you hit 515 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:52,960 Speaker 1: the nail on the head, the ultimate Peter pan La guy. 516 00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:56,760 Speaker 1: He is so sucked into that world and when it 517 00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:59,000 Speaker 1: envelops you and you don't get out of it. And 518 00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:02,680 Speaker 1: people from the outside looking at her like bro, yeah, 519 00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:16,480 Speaker 1: get off the stage at the Whiskey Room. 520 00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:19,720 Speaker 2: Well, I was very excited to see that you were 521 00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:24,840 Speaker 2: bringing the espresso martini to Chili's. I mean, people have 522 00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:27,720 Speaker 2: a love for Chili's and it comes from for me, 523 00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:31,119 Speaker 2: it's from the Office from the famous office episode of 524 00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:33,959 Speaker 2: Chili's where Pam has such a good time. How did 525 00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:37,640 Speaker 2: the Espresso, Martini and Chili's partnership start? Because I've never 526 00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:40,040 Speaker 2: seen people have such a positive reaction. 527 00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:41,399 Speaker 3: To a partnership on the internet. 528 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:43,960 Speaker 2: Everyone I follow was like, yes, this is exactly what 529 00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:44,520 Speaker 2: I needed. 530 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:48,600 Speaker 4: No, right, well, yeah, I mean like Shina definitely has 531 00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:51,600 Speaker 4: her history with Chili's and know she worked there in college, 532 00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:54,640 Speaker 4: which is awesome. I mean I've been going to chili 533 00:27:54,760 --> 00:28:00,080 Speaker 4: since I can remember. Yeah, I mean they have the 534 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:06,240 Speaker 4: best ships I've ever had. But yeah, so she has 535 00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:09,000 Speaker 4: that history. I have a history with tequila, and you know, 536 00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:11,760 Speaker 4: Spress Martinez are like having such a moment and I've 537 00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:16,760 Speaker 4: always swapped the vodka for tequila. I am a Reposoto girl. 538 00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:19,320 Speaker 4: I just think the flavor on that is so like 539 00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:23,560 Speaker 4: just rich and smooth and just slightly sweet. So pairing 540 00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:26,399 Speaker 4: that with the espresso and then the spiced rum just 541 00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:29,920 Speaker 4: kind of I don't know, it just it elevates it 542 00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:30,360 Speaker 4: in a way. 543 00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:32,800 Speaker 2: That's what I do. I do the tequila. And then 544 00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:34,760 Speaker 2: when I heard the rum was an addition? What does 545 00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:36,919 Speaker 2: the rum bring to it? Because this I've never tried. 546 00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:38,960 Speaker 4: I mean it's just like it's it's a spiced rum. 547 00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:41,840 Speaker 4: So it's just it just is ever so slightly has 548 00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:46,760 Speaker 4: that spice because have you ever put like cinnamon in coffee? Oh? 549 00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:48,560 Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, it's just. 550 00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:50,880 Speaker 4: Like a little kiss of like that. You know. 551 00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:56,320 Speaker 1: I grew up going to the original Chilies. I grew 552 00:28:56,400 --> 00:29:00,000 Speaker 1: up in Dallas and the original Chilies was on Greenville Avenue. 553 00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:01,280 Speaker 3: Such a weird fact. 554 00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:03,520 Speaker 1: Across from where I played soccer as a kid. I mean, 555 00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:06,240 Speaker 1: I'm talking five years old, there was an old burger 556 00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:09,800 Speaker 1: stand called Chili's. We would go afterwards and get burgers there. 557 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:12,400 Speaker 1: And then they knocked that old stand down and they 558 00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:16,000 Speaker 1: built the first when they went chain and they went 559 00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:19,400 Speaker 1: or you know, in National And so I grew up 560 00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:21,920 Speaker 1: going to the original Chili's as a kid, the first one. 561 00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:24,440 Speaker 1: And by the way, sadly they took it knocked down, 562 00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:26,800 Speaker 1: it's gone, it's closed. You're the very first one. 563 00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:28,840 Speaker 2: Well they did that wrong, but they're doing right by 564 00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:31,600 Speaker 2: bringing us the espress of our tenis. 565 00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:36,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, there you go. By the way, enough about the guys, 566 00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:39,000 Speaker 1: what about you and love and relationships? 567 00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:44,120 Speaker 4: You know, I'm I'm just really trying to make my 568 00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:47,959 Speaker 4: life exciting and full and do things that I'm you know, 569 00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:51,760 Speaker 4: having fun and feel like excited to, you know, like 570 00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:55,760 Speaker 4: other it's hobbies or reconnecting with friends or meeting new people. 571 00:29:56,720 --> 00:30:00,040 Speaker 4: Just yeah, that's that's what I'm looking forward to. And 572 00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:03,920 Speaker 4: if I meet someone great, you know, I mean what 573 00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:07,200 Speaker 4: I like to sure, but I want to make sure 574 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:09,840 Speaker 4: that they add value to my life. I'm not like 575 00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:14,240 Speaker 4: on apps trying to just date and meet someone. I'm 576 00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:18,160 Speaker 4: just you know, I'm I don't know if that feels 577 00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:19,360 Speaker 4: like really draining. 578 00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:20,719 Speaker 3: Okay, not doing the apps. 579 00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:24,040 Speaker 4: No, I like to meet people like in outside in 580 00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:24,400 Speaker 4: the world. 581 00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:27,080 Speaker 1: Do you feel like you're in a healthy, good place 582 00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:30,320 Speaker 1: now or do you feel like you're being a healthy 583 00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:34,840 Speaker 1: emotional individual and you're still dealing with unpacking the divorce 584 00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:35,920 Speaker 1: before I move on? 585 00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:38,480 Speaker 4: Oh no, I feel like I'm definitely like in a 586 00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:40,040 Speaker 4: place now. 587 00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:44,400 Speaker 1: Like you're open to finding love. Yeah, okay, yeah, No. 588 00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:46,640 Speaker 4: I feel like now I could actually have someone come 589 00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:50,920 Speaker 4: in and I have the space and availability to that. 590 00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:54,640 Speaker 4: But again, they got to add to my life. 591 00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:57,320 Speaker 3: Okay. 592 00:30:57,360 --> 00:31:00,800 Speaker 2: Because you've spent much of your adult life dating on 593 00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:05,479 Speaker 2: reality TV, is there anyone in the reality TV world 594 00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:08,440 Speaker 2: who you might be interested in, like if it was 595 00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:10,719 Speaker 2: like you met them at a at a party and 596 00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:13,120 Speaker 2: you know, like anybody else is on any other TV shows, 597 00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:15,240 Speaker 2: Maybe should we be looking outside vander Pump. 598 00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:17,480 Speaker 4: Rules in the reality world. 599 00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:23,080 Speaker 3: Yeah no, She's like, no, absolutely not. 600 00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:28,480 Speaker 1: No, Katie has the best looks, like you never know, 601 00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:30,680 Speaker 1: you never have to worry about her poker face. I 602 00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:31,680 Speaker 1: know what she's thinking. 603 00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:37,959 Speaker 2: Okay, we've checked in on the past, the love life present, 604 00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:41,160 Speaker 2: I need to check in on the friendships. Why has 605 00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:43,840 Speaker 2: Lala unfollowed you? This is I am so baffled. I'm 606 00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:46,600 Speaker 2: so confused because I'm watching the show and everyone seems 607 00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:49,040 Speaker 2: really good and now then I just saw the headlines 608 00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:50,920 Speaker 2: as I was researching for this podcast that she has 609 00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:52,160 Speaker 2: unfollowed you and Arianna. 610 00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:59,520 Speaker 4: I think she said that she has two point something. 611 00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:02,680 Speaker 2: I don't okay, she was like, I was following an 612 00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:05,480 Speaker 2: uneven number of people needed to be something like that. 613 00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:08,400 Speaker 3: Katie, what is really happening? What what you've known each 614 00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:10,640 Speaker 3: other for years? What what is going on? 615 00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:14,080 Speaker 4: I don't. I don't know. I mean, I was obviously 616 00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:17,480 Speaker 4: like at the reunion things get eeded and there's drama, 617 00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:22,080 Speaker 4: but this I didn't. I am a little confused, and 618 00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:24,520 Speaker 4: I don't I don't mean to be like ignorant about it, 619 00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:26,360 Speaker 4: but like, I just I don't understand it. 620 00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:29,800 Speaker 2: Like did you text her and say why did you 621 00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:30,600 Speaker 2: you've unfollowed me? 622 00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:31,200 Speaker 3: What's happened? 623 00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:32,760 Speaker 4: No? 624 00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:32,960 Speaker 3: No? 625 00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:39,600 Speaker 2: Okay, well what are you guys talking right now? Like 626 00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:41,640 Speaker 2: would you or no? 627 00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:43,160 Speaker 4: No? No? 628 00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:46,600 Speaker 3: Is there future reconciliation possible? 629 00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:49,480 Speaker 4: Well? I think she said if she ever wants to 630 00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:52,240 Speaker 4: be miserable again, we could be friends. 631 00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:58,360 Speaker 1: That doesn't sound like friends, Okay, I. 632 00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:03,280 Speaker 4: Just we we were great postseason, like all of it, 633 00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:08,120 Speaker 4: and then yeah, I just I didn't know that there 634 00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:09,440 Speaker 4: was so many issues. 635 00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:13,320 Speaker 2: So Jack's was also there was a video that went 636 00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:17,440 Speaker 2: everywhere of him like last week saying that the Valley 637 00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:19,640 Speaker 2: is so much more real than vander Pump Rules, And 638 00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:21,320 Speaker 2: you guys aren't even friends and you don't even hang 639 00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:22,360 Speaker 2: out outside of the show. 640 00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:24,520 Speaker 3: What do you say to that? 641 00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:28,520 Speaker 4: Oh, I don't think everyone on our show hangs out 642 00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:32,240 Speaker 4: after I mean, like we were fractured before the show 643 00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:34,600 Speaker 4: even started. You're seeing how fractured we are, so like 644 00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:36,760 Speaker 4: that's true, But I don't. I think he was saying 645 00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:38,840 Speaker 4: that our show was like scripted and things like that, 646 00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:44,880 Speaker 4: but I don't that. Man, does anyone believe anything that 647 00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:45,560 Speaker 4: comes up as now? 648 00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:51,160 Speaker 2: He Well, no, I honestly, you know what I actually 649 00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:53,120 Speaker 2: I meant to ask you about it, babe, because some 650 00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:55,960 Speaker 2: people were like messaging us and being like, Okay, so 651 00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:59,000 Speaker 2: is how scripted? Is reality TV or not? But you 652 00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:00,000 Speaker 2: would never say the Bachelor? 653 00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:00,719 Speaker 4: No. 654 00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:02,680 Speaker 1: But it's like all these shows are different, Like, I 655 00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:04,760 Speaker 1: have no idea. I don't know anybody who produces on 656 00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:06,960 Speaker 1: vander Pump and I've never been on it, so you know, 657 00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:09,640 Speaker 1: I never know. You know, there are shows that are 658 00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:14,640 Speaker 1: extremely produced, extremely scripted, and then there's shows that are 659 00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:17,320 Speaker 1: more game oriented, and so it's the opposite side of 660 00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:19,320 Speaker 1: the spectrum. Then there's stuff like vander Pump and Bachelor 661 00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:21,760 Speaker 1: that probably fall in the middle. Yes, stuff is created, 662 00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:24,800 Speaker 1: it's produced. The moments that Katie's put in are produced 663 00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:26,680 Speaker 1: and set up, and then what they do in that 664 00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:29,360 Speaker 1: and what they say in how they live their lives 665 00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:30,440 Speaker 1: is up to them. I assume. 666 00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:34,359 Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't. I can walk into a scene and 667 00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:40,560 Speaker 4: say whatever I want to say, Like I like, I 668 00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:44,879 Speaker 4: get to feel how I want to feel, So I mean, yeah, 669 00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:47,680 Speaker 4: some people I don't know if they want to like 670 00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:51,640 Speaker 4: decide that they want to do something crazy then thens 671 00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:54,160 Speaker 4: up to them. But like me personally, I like to 672 00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:58,120 Speaker 4: just I have conviction. 673 00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:01,840 Speaker 2: I love when they cut to a Katie interview at Katie, 674 00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:04,080 Speaker 2: I TM, it's just. 675 00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:06,400 Speaker 3: Like, you're the comedic relief that we need. You're the 676 00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:08,600 Speaker 3: like and I don't think you get enough credit for that. 677 00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:11,000 Speaker 2: I'm like, Katie is the comedic narrator I needed in 678 00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:12,040 Speaker 2: this moment, and thank you. 679 00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:16,440 Speaker 4: I don't need to take I think it's very dry. 680 00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:20,560 Speaker 2: So it goes like, well, then we just need to 681 00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:22,279 Speaker 2: find you a better venue than vander pump Role's. 682 00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:24,800 Speaker 3: So Katie. 683 00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:28,400 Speaker 2: Some people who listen to this, of course, will be 684 00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:31,239 Speaker 2: avid fans. Some people are just like listening to hear 685 00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:34,920 Speaker 2: about relationships and learn and as someone who's had the 686 00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:37,160 Speaker 2: experience you've had, because again I just want to like, note, 687 00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:39,920 Speaker 2: you were with someone for well over a decade, you've 688 00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:44,200 Speaker 2: done you have this incredible like relationship experience under your 689 00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:47,000 Speaker 2: belt now a little bit removed from the divorce moment, 690 00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:49,200 Speaker 2: What advice would you give? What advice would you give 691 00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:51,520 Speaker 2: yourself if you could go back and tell her anything, 692 00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:54,120 Speaker 2: or anybody who might be in your position of they're 693 00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:56,840 Speaker 2: in their thirties and like, I got divorced at thirty, 694 00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:58,880 Speaker 2: what would you tell this person who's maybe in this 695 00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:01,360 Speaker 2: middle place of like, well, oh, this big thing I 696 00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:04,200 Speaker 2: thought was forever ended and now I'm kind of reinventing 697 00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:05,800 Speaker 2: myself a little bit in my thirties. 698 00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:17,279 Speaker 4: Oh I think that. I mean it is. It is 699 00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:20,160 Speaker 4: like so difficult and it can be confusing, and I 700 00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:22,399 Speaker 4: know that like for some people they have a lot 701 00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:25,399 Speaker 4: more to consider, they have maybe like children or other 702 00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:27,320 Speaker 4: things like that. But I think at the end of 703 00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:35,200 Speaker 4: the day, like you have to I don't want to say, 704 00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:38,520 Speaker 4: like choose yourself, but you know what's best for yourself, 705 00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:42,919 Speaker 4: and you have like one life and if you try, 706 00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:44,759 Speaker 4: if you looked at it and been like this is 707 00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:47,319 Speaker 4: this is the kind of like marriage I want or 708 00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:52,600 Speaker 4: partner I want. And you've expressed to that person that 709 00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:57,560 Speaker 4: they're not showing up, and you've explored every option and 710 00:36:57,600 --> 00:36:59,960 Speaker 4: you've given everything you can't like you got to choose 711 00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:04,799 Speaker 4: us all. There's nothing more lonely or isolating than being 712 00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:08,560 Speaker 4: in something like that. So I think just tuse yourself. 713 00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:12,640 Speaker 2: Love that perfectly put succinct and perfect as the Katie 714 00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:16,239 Speaker 2: Maloney delivery is. Thank you so much. I'm so glad 715 00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:18,400 Speaker 2: we got to talk to you today, and thank you 716 00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:21,240 Speaker 2: for doing the work out there on vander Pump Rules. 717 00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:21,560 Speaker 4: For all of us. 718 00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:23,319 Speaker 1: You are yeah, you are doing the work for all 719 00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:25,359 Speaker 1: of us, and it was nice to meet you and 720 00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:27,799 Speaker 1: you're an absolute treat. Truly appreciate it. 721 00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:30,560 Speaker 4: Well, thank you. I'm very glad that this happened finally. 722 00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:33,120 Speaker 2: I know now we're going to go on a date 723 00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:38,000 Speaker 2: night to Chili's tonight, expresso martini. 724 00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:41,040 Speaker 3: Thank you, Katie. I'm so glad we got to talk. 725 00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:42,640 Speaker 4: Yeah, thank you. 726 00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:46,200 Speaker 3: Thank you to Katie Babe. Maybe we might need to 727 00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:47,440 Speaker 3: set Katie up with someone. 728 00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:49,839 Speaker 1: I think so, I felt, I felt that. I feel. Well, 729 00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:53,520 Speaker 1: here's what's funny, and it's what makes the vander Pump 730 00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:57,040 Speaker 1: show so good. Is the boys right that they're such 731 00:37:57,120 --> 00:37:58,240 Speaker 1: boys their children? 732 00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:00,560 Speaker 3: Oh you mean like not the met but the boys. 733 00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:03,399 Speaker 1: The boys. The men are not men, they're boys. They're 734 00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:05,959 Speaker 1: silly little boys. And the women you can just tell, 735 00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:09,280 Speaker 1: like there's such an emotional intelligence. They're like they're operating 736 00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:11,759 Speaker 1: at such a higher level. And that's most women and 737 00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:14,560 Speaker 1: most men. I will agree to that. But it's just funny. 738 00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:17,440 Speaker 1: That she is so thoughtful about where she is in 739 00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:20,040 Speaker 1: her life and where she is as far as finding 740 00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:22,840 Speaker 1: love again. And then you look at shorts and scand 741 00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:25,840 Speaker 1: of all and they're like, bro, we should move in together. 742 00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:29,520 Speaker 1: This will be awesome. We'll get bunk beds. Oh my god, 743 00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:32,040 Speaker 1: I'll put up this poster like that's where they are. 744 00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:33,279 Speaker 3: You're right, it is stepbrothers. 745 00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:36,399 Speaker 1: Yeah, And then she's like, well, I thought about this. 746 00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:39,520 Speaker 1: I'm really im worked on myself, and I'm like, oh 747 00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:40,759 Speaker 1: my god, it's just night and day. 748 00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:41,840 Speaker 3: You're right. 749 00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:45,839 Speaker 2: And it's interesting because like at first, actually as we 750 00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:48,080 Speaker 2: were doing the podcast, I was thinking, you know, I 751 00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:50,840 Speaker 2: do think part of this is this group of friends 752 00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:54,160 Speaker 2: has been in the same group since their early twenties, 753 00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:56,640 Speaker 2: and I do think we as people, and I mean 754 00:38:56,640 --> 00:39:01,400 Speaker 2: everybody you need to like meet new people, have different friends. 755 00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:02,799 Speaker 3: I'm not saying don't hold on to your friends, but. 756 00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:06,160 Speaker 2: You got to grow though, expose yourself to different people 757 00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:09,800 Speaker 2: because that makes you forces you to grow as a person. 758 00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:14,080 Speaker 2: And they it's the show, is their job, so they've 759 00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:15,960 Speaker 2: kind of stayed in this group, and I think that 760 00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:17,000 Speaker 2: can be a hindrance. 761 00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:19,920 Speaker 3: But as you've just pointed out, the women have. 762 00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:22,080 Speaker 2: Grown and the men have gone through the same stuff, 763 00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:24,719 Speaker 2: but you're not hearing them make the same poignant observations 764 00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:25,280 Speaker 2: and comments. 765 00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:26,040 Speaker 3: It's very interesting. 766 00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:27,600 Speaker 1: Peter Pan doesn't grow up. 767 00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:29,640 Speaker 3: Well, luckily Wendy got out of there. 768 00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:32,320 Speaker 2: Okay, thank you everybody, and we'll talk to you next. 769 00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:34,800 Speaker 1: Time because we have a lot more to talk about. 770 00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:37,719 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening. 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