Speaker 1: Hey, hey, hey, we're back. We're black, we're brown, and ambition,
Speaker 1: ambition and this ambition. I did you know, Mandy you did?
Speaker 2: Something's up with the riverside today. So if the podcast
Speaker 2: sounds funky wonky, like, I don't know to because you
Speaker 2: disappeared for like half a second, but I heard, I
Speaker 2: hear you. I see you pretty in pink.
Speaker 1: You think, But.
Speaker 2: That's the days when it was just audio, to be honest.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because it's just video.
Speaker 2: There's always something, there's always something. Well, I just dragged
Speaker 2: myself home from the airport. I am fresh off Delta
Speaker 2: flight two seven thirty nine.
Speaker 1: From I was.
Speaker 2: I saw my dad. Oh lord, So the good stuff,
Speaker 2: the positive stuff is that I saw my dad. He's healthy,
Speaker 2: he's doing well. He's back to his he's been back
Speaker 2: to his self for a few months now. But like
Speaker 2: he's back to driving me crazy. And I had to
Speaker 2: like really remind myself, like remember when you were afraid
Speaker 2: you're going to lose him? And he just prayed he's
Speaker 2: still here to annoy me. But no, we had a
Speaker 2: we actually had I we we would like, go on,
Speaker 2: we're too similar to my dad and I. We both
Speaker 2: want to be in the driver's seat. We both want
Speaker 2: to do it our way. And in the past I
Speaker 2: would let that drive me nuts, but now I just
Speaker 2: I just roll with it, like I'm in his car.
Speaker 2: I'm going to say goodbye to the next eight hours
Speaker 2: of my day that I had planned, because at a minimum,
Speaker 2: when you get in the car with Alton Windruff, you
Speaker 2: were going to lose six to eight hours of your
Speaker 2: life to whatever nonsense, whenever, little whims a game. Do
Speaker 2: you know, it's the journey, not the destiny. Now, we
Speaker 2: went to the fourth quarter of the Hawks game, we
Speaker 2: went fishing for a collective like time of rod in
Speaker 2: the water, not trying to find all the things that
Speaker 2: we needed to go fishing, like seventeen minutes, which is
Speaker 2: about all I needed. But it was I mean, honestly,
Speaker 2: it really is a journey, not the destination. So for me,
Speaker 2: it's just about being in the car, just talking about whatever.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: My dad likes to call random cousins and uncles and
Speaker 2: then he's like here, made to move, say hello, and
Speaker 2: then I gotta like talk to them and hear about
Speaker 2: the last time they saw me. And it's cute. It's
Speaker 2: a nice rhythm to it. It was a really pleasant visit.
Speaker 2: And I also did Finn con.
Speaker 1: Tell us about the Finn of the Cohn.
Speaker 2: Or origin story. Finkong was lovely. I mean it was
Speaker 2: in Atlanta, so I had to go.
Speaker 1: I had missed.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I had missed last year's New Orleans because my
Speaker 2: dad was sick and all this stuff was happening. It's
Speaker 2: always a good time. I mean for me, it's just
Speaker 2: like it's a it's like a high school reunion, college
Speaker 2: reunionsy vibe and it genuinely is so nice just to
Speaker 2: get to squeeze your people that you only see on
Speaker 2: the internet. So at one point, who was at yan Nelly?
Speaker 2: Miss be helpful? Yan Nelly incredible, She's been on the
Speaker 2: show for her her book that came out. She came
Speaker 2: up behind me and gave me a hug, and I
Speaker 2: was just.
Speaker 1: Like, why am I getting emotional?
Speaker 2: People are so sweet.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie with Jelly. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean it's always gonna give you a little bit
Speaker 2: of fomo when you see people that you know that
Speaker 2: you like hanging out.
Speaker 1: I can see that. If I'm not banned for life,
Speaker 1: I mean I'm not a post. You're so not.
Speaker 2: I'm telling you you would just need a disguise if
Speaker 2: you wanted to not be bothered. That's all because everyone.
Speaker 3: All my it's all the faith and personal finance. And
Speaker 3: I saw Rachel my homie there, you know, we saw
Speaker 3: Chris Popcorn finance.
Speaker 1: Mark your what is it your better wallet? Better wallet?
Speaker 1: Of course it is day Mark.
Speaker 2: Don't worry, the best of the wallet.
Speaker 3: I saw the old wallet. Elias, Oh, I forget her her?
Speaker 2: Is it Elias Lily?
Speaker 1: Lily?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought it was Lily. Is it Elias her
Speaker 2: full name?
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I think so that's the homie Akak financial stylist.
Speaker 1: Yes, there was just so many.
Speaker 3: I just saw everybody's posts and I don't know. Plus
Speaker 3: and two, I love, like, you know, the behind the scenes,
Speaker 3: the you know, the brown version of of what happens
Speaker 3: at Finnkin.
Speaker 1: That's where I was really following.
Speaker 3: So I loved all that, to see all the meetups,
Speaker 3: all the hangouts, all the connections. It's honestly, I mean,
Speaker 3: aside from like you know, we're not going to dredge
Speaker 3: of old, but aside from what happened before, quite honestly,
Speaker 3: ben Kind was always a good time. There was never
Speaker 3: the issue, you know, like, I love meeting people. I
Speaker 3: always thought that they had really great breakout sessions like
Speaker 3: moving keynotes, you know.
Speaker 1: I just you know, yeah, that was never the issue.
Speaker 2: So I think it genuinely is one of the and
Speaker 2: it's become increasingly well, let me finish a sentence for once.
Speaker 2: I think it is one of the best conferences for
Speaker 2: the audience that it wants to serve like you will
Speaker 2: go and you will leave with gems and lots of gems,
Speaker 2: and the vibe is very good and collegial, ten out
Speaker 2: of ten. And I also feel like increasingly it's I
Speaker 2: feel like you don't need to necessarily be in the
Speaker 2: financial like space with your content creation to benefit from
Speaker 2: fin Con because it's not like there's a ton of
Speaker 2: sessions on the latest five two nine plan or complex
Speaker 2: tax code changes and things like that. It's a lot
Speaker 2: of literally running a business, personal brand, being a business owner,
Speaker 2: scaling brand partnerships. They really care about helping you leave with,
Speaker 2: you know, elements that are going to like take your
Speaker 2: business to the next level and meetups and mentorships and
Speaker 2: so much to offer. And yeah, but I there's nothing's
Speaker 2: going to beat the og Girl Crew Black Girl Crew
Speaker 2: from fin Con twenty twenty fourteen.
Speaker 1: Yes, in New Orleans.
Speaker 2: I was like, I need my Sandy, I need my Tiffy,
Speaker 2: I need my Tanya, I need my my Marsha. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but maybe one day, maybe one day we can get
Speaker 2: back together, get the game back together. At fin Con,
Speaker 2: even if it's just for you know, literally you just
Speaker 2: walk into the lobby and you have a party.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's like that's the thing, Linnette. You know,
Speaker 1: it just yeah, it just was like it just looked
Speaker 1: like such a great time. And I was like, Mandy.
Speaker 2: Omo, well, you know, I am in my neuro divergent
Speaker 2: era and not I don't know what to I'm not
Speaker 2: really embracing any particular labels or whatnot. But I'm in
Speaker 2: my era of like accepting the fact that I process
Speaker 2: things really differently, and I gave myself so much grace.
Speaker 2: You know, go for a couple hours, leave, get your
Speaker 2: you know, recharge time. But even when you're there, it's
Speaker 2: hard because everyone wants you to go here and there,
Speaker 2: and there's different events and they're like open bar and
Speaker 2: free food and like all this stuff is happening. But
Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, I think I'm just gonna go
Speaker 2: hang out with my dad at the Hawks game. People, ooh,
Speaker 2: he picked me up in the Marta van. Don't tell
Speaker 2: anybody my dad works for Marta.
Speaker 1: I love Old black Man. Old black Man. They don't
Speaker 1: give a what.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's a nice van. It had like all the chargers,
Speaker 2: including the new USBC charger in the seat. It was
Speaker 2: really nice. I was like, I need to get me
Speaker 2: a mini van. Is that how you guys drive around?
Speaker 2: Just comfortable and spacious.
Speaker 1: I knew that black Man would do whatever.
Speaker 3: When Darrell's fortieth birthday, there was an ambulance outside.
Speaker 1: That's, oh my god, everybody's okay.
Speaker 3: One of his homeboys girl lights on. I came to
Speaker 3: get a plate. It was like, now, I'm a don't worry,
Speaker 3: mister real, I'm gonna leave in a minute. I just
Speaker 3: came to get place sy my homie.
Speaker 4: What's that?
Speaker 1: I was like, sir, I could just go out there
Speaker 1: and go stay.
Speaker 2: That's what, you know what. It reminds me of his
Speaker 2: Regina King from How Stella Got Her grew back when
Speaker 2: like Regina King her sister in that movie Angela bas
Speaker 2: his sister. She's an emt or something, and I think
Speaker 2: she does pull up in her her ambulance at a
Speaker 2: cookout or something like that. I love us, I do.
Speaker 2: I got to go see the station you dropped me off. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it was it was a great It was a great
Speaker 2: little trip. And I literally just landed today. So gosh,
Speaker 2: I feel like I've been in a little in Leana bubble.
Speaker 2: But at the same time, my anxiety around the election
Speaker 2: was on one hundred. Being in Georgia, I know, I
Speaker 2: was like, I.
Speaker 3: Know, I'm not gonna lie. Why you know, I'm taking
Speaker 3: November off because that is just real. I'm also gonna
Speaker 3: take it off from social media. I said, I'm not
Speaker 3: the laugh of luxury. Healthy almost took me out. I
Speaker 3: was beating every article, every post, every in my heart
Speaker 3: like literally my blood pressure was through the roof. And
Speaker 3: I said, I can stay informed without infecting myself with
Speaker 3: bear and negativity. And I've already pre voted because I said,
Speaker 3: you know what, I'm actually not also trusting people not
Speaker 3: to act dumb and so think I said, pre voted,
Speaker 3: but I voted early.
Speaker 1: I'm so happy.
Speaker 3: I got like my ballot thing in the mail and
Speaker 3: it was like I never voted early before. Oh you know,
Speaker 3: just like yeah, because honestly, it's never usually busy or
Speaker 3: anything like that. But I said, you know what, I'm
Speaker 3: going for a walk today the place where I'm voting.
Speaker 3: It was like maybe like a twenty minute walk away,
Speaker 3: and I'm like, it was beautiful right outside the park.
Speaker 1: And when I got there, I had seen a line earlier.
Speaker 3: When I got there, you know, there's always this, you know,
Speaker 3: at the voting stations, always older black ladies that just be.
Speaker 1: Like they do it every year, I mean every year, baby, right,
Speaker 1: And they were just like, I mean, I mean literally
Speaker 1: average atta girls, seventy five, average age Okay, they said,
Speaker 1: the young one of sixty five, the average average ade.
Speaker 2: I have met one of those.
Speaker 1: No, no, I said, the average age of them ladies
Speaker 1: who like age. Girl, everybody's in a walker. I loved it.
Speaker 3: And they were I said, has it been busy? They're
Speaker 3: like from sun up to sundown? Baby, we had a
Speaker 3: moment's rest and I just love it.
Speaker 2: And if munchkins from duncan.
Speaker 3: Party and orange and so chopolic Canada to be exact
Speaker 3: and so but basically, you know, the women there, they
Speaker 3: had done this year after year. They were like, We've
Speaker 3: never seen this much early registrate early voting turnout. So
Speaker 3: that was a really interesting kind of you know, like
Speaker 3: oh really, they're like, yeah, this has been amazing, you know.
Speaker 1: So yeah, you know, one lady was like, I love it.
Speaker 3: I love it. You know, of course you know that
Speaker 3: I'm telling you just I love voting in general. You know,
Speaker 3: I'm not trying to get in trouble. But yeah, it
Speaker 3: was just so it was I was so glad because
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna lie on election day.
Speaker 1: I plan to be hunkered down with my uber eats.
Speaker 2: And what's your plan? We all need a plan.
Speaker 3: No, I said, I'm not actually watching because I was
Speaker 3: watching minute day by day. No, I am going to
Speaker 3: have like a series of videos of movies I want
Speaker 3: to watch and books I want to read, and I'm
Speaker 3: just going to like try to like, you know, I'm
Speaker 3: telling that all my folks.
Speaker 1: I don't don't call me with moment but like when
Speaker 1: it's done, it's done.
Speaker 3: But I don't want to Like I was watching moment
Speaker 3: by moment alby my heart rate was just racing. I'm
Speaker 3: not doing that this year. I can't take it.
Speaker 2: The only thing I do want to stay tuned for
Speaker 2: is I hope they're going to do a live feet
Speaker 2: of Kamala's watch party because I hear it's going to
Speaker 2: be at Howard. That's still the case. Yeah, so if
Speaker 2: that happens. But I mean, the beauty of having kids.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to think what I have planned that day.
Speaker 2: It's like it's just going to be a day. I'm
Speaker 2: just going to try to like enjoy it. I do
Speaker 2: think I'm going to take the boys when I pick
Speaker 2: them up today and go vote early, you know, so
Speaker 2: they can learn about civic duty and get a sticker.
Speaker 1: I want about that.
Speaker 2: I love that. Can we just squeeze my babies. It's
Speaker 2: been five days since I've.
Speaker 1: Squeezed my babies. I won't understand what's happening. Do they
Speaker 1: understand election? They did? I talk about that in school.
Speaker 2: No big natural disasters like weather is a big thing now.
Speaker 2: Like Rio's kind of understanding hurricanes and all that. He
Speaker 2: was very sad and concerned for the people of Florida
Speaker 2: and the Gulf Coast the election. He understands voting, I think,
Speaker 2: But I don't know. If I asked him who the
Speaker 2: president was, I don't know if he'd say Biden.
Speaker 1: Amelia had a meltdown the other day. I was like,
Speaker 1: what's happening.
Speaker 3: She was like, I'm like a full fledged meltdown. She's like,
Speaker 3: we're like why are you? Why are you upset?
Speaker 1: She's like, you know why? Like and I was just
Speaker 1: like wait what? And so, so they're learning about voting
Speaker 1: in school.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know, and I remember that when you're like,
Speaker 3: you know, you voted, so that way you can learn,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 1: But of course they're not telling the kids who to
Speaker 1: vote for.
Speaker 3: But she said one of her friends told her about
Speaker 3: the bad man and we can all guess who that
Speaker 3: is and if he wins, all the bad things he's
Speaker 3: going to do. So she was having like she's really
Speaker 3: hyper sensitive to and so what do you even say?
Speaker 1: I was like, wait what? And she was just like,
Speaker 1: you know why he can't win.
Speaker 3: I was like, oh my god, I don't even know
Speaker 3: what to say. I was just like, well, Mimi, you're
Speaker 3: going to be able to vote when you get bigger,
Speaker 3: and there's going to be so many other elections and
Speaker 3: you know. But she was like almost inconsolable. I'm like,
Speaker 3: what the hell does this friend say say to you?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: At first I thought, did you learn about it?
Speaker 3: She's like No, I learned about voting in school, and
Speaker 3: then you know, you vote for the president, you vote
Speaker 3: for this person. But you know that her friend told
Speaker 3: her that a very bad man that wants to be
Speaker 3: the president, he's going to do very bad things. And
Speaker 3: she was really scared about what those things. You know,
Speaker 3: she couldn't tell you articulate the specific things, just bad.
Speaker 1: Everything is bad. And that's well.
Speaker 2: I think that is the appropriate emotional reaction we should
Speaker 2: all be having. And I couldn't think of a better
Speaker 2: synopsis of the stakes. It's a bad man who wants
Speaker 2: to do bad things, and if he wins, he's going
Speaker 2: to do bad things. Okay, Like no line is detected, Mimi,
Speaker 2: buckle up.
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 2: Up, darling, you're learning a good civic lesson today. Also,
Speaker 2: Mufasa dies.
Speaker 1: Roman's like what up?
Speaker 2: So I was like, oh my god, it's like in
Speaker 2: the election of eighteen ninety eight. But yeah, man, yeah,
Speaker 2: I just tell the children at all costs.
Speaker 3: But are you worried about like, you know, any sort
Speaker 3: of physical like any sort of like out you know
Speaker 3: what I mean? Like I am worried about violence.
Speaker 2: I'm worried about Coretta and Sylvia and Harold at the polls.
Speaker 2: I'm worried about my neighbor Paulette, who's working the polls up.
Speaker 2: And you'd be surprised that you get forty five minutes
Speaker 2: north of Manhattan and it is quite concerned about here.
Speaker 2: Lots of Trump signs, especially where one of my girlfriends lives.
Speaker 2: Oh my days by where Remy goes to daycare. Lots
Speaker 2: of Drump and not just Trump yard signs, like yeah,
Speaker 2: I thought.
Speaker 3: Put up a literally he had his Trump signed up
Speaker 3: since you know, he lost like in a window, and
Speaker 3: I guess I was like, oh, he finally took it down,
Speaker 3: like it because Newark is very black. And then I
Speaker 3: saw that he had flagpoles installed installed which chronically enough,
Speaker 3: by a group of clearly migrant workers.
Speaker 1: I was I wanted to take a picture of me.
Speaker 3: I mean they were having their lunch on his front lawn,
Speaker 3: clearly migrant workers. I mean, obviously he must have hired whoever,
Speaker 3: and this is who they hired. I'm like, sir, and
Speaker 3: they put up this truck. I was like, not a flagpole.
Speaker 3: I don't do you know what it takes to put
Speaker 3: a flagpole, not like these little no, no, no digging.
Speaker 1: The thing concrete.
Speaker 3: I mean, he's flying his flag loud and proud in
Speaker 3: one of the blackest neighborhoods in the country, and we're
Speaker 3: just like, okay.
Speaker 2: I mean, shout out to democracy in the First Amendment.
Speaker 2: He can do that. But for me and my nervous
Speaker 2: I am, I'm really just turning to our community. I'm
Speaker 2: turning to my bandy money maker community. I'm turning to
Speaker 2: I was on the I've been on the last few
Speaker 2: Win with Black Women calls on Sunday nights, and even
Speaker 2: if I had it on kind of as I was
Speaker 2: doing other things on my computer, and it's just comforting
Speaker 2: because like, the more I can, it just feels like
Speaker 2: there's other grown ups in the room and that there's
Speaker 2: there's such a I mean, Barack Obama showed up on
Speaker 2: the Black Win with Black Men call last night that
Speaker 2: was live streamed and in you know, Michelle Obama speech
Speaker 2: this week, the Beyonce, Kelly Rowland and Tina introducing her
Speaker 2: in Houston. The fact that she went to Houston, that's
Speaker 2: the you know, I know that you're not I know
Speaker 2: that it's not the greatest to only look at things
Speaker 2: that bring you joy in the news because obviously there
Speaker 2: is a ton of chaos happening outside of you know,
Speaker 2: the United States. But those are the moments that when
Speaker 2: I go to sleep, I try to run through those
Speaker 2: in my head, you know, and I just I pray
Speaker 2: almost that we can just like get through it and
Speaker 2: get some shit done, because what really is keeping me
Speaker 2: up at night is like Sudan and Palestine. I'm about
Speaker 2: to go into therapy tomorrow and be like, so, let's
Speaker 2: review how I'm supposed to cope with these atrocities happening,
Speaker 2: and like, you know, we just need we need all
Speaker 2: the humanity we can right now. The election is important,
Speaker 2: it's not It is not the only thing happening in
Speaker 2: the world. It is one really important thing, but there's
Speaker 2: also others. Life will go on, Santa will come, Mimi's
Speaker 2: going to sing, you know, on November first. I just
Speaker 2: let's get through it. Let's support one another, Let's do
Speaker 2: what we can. Let's call our friends, call our family.
Speaker 2: See if granny needs and ride to the poles, see
Speaker 2: if uncle needs one. He just got his hip or
Speaker 2: place to keep out of surgery, whatever, you know. See
Speaker 2: in small ways what we can do to just make
Speaker 2: sure that people show up and that every vote, every
Speaker 2: single vote, counts, And I always keep remembering this, like
Speaker 2: this refrain. I forget where I've heard it, probably just
Speaker 2: a bunch of different places at this point. But anxiety.
Speaker 2: It's a passenger in the car, but it's not allowed
Speaker 2: to drive the car. You are driving the car. So
Speaker 2: that also helps me when things feel very existential and scary.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just yeah, it's a lot, and it's okay
Speaker 3: to opt out of the worst of it, and just
Speaker 3: to do enough to stand for you are allowed to
Speaker 3: do that. You don't actually actually have to roll around
Speaker 3: on the muck of it. For those of you who
Speaker 3: don't have the capacity, you know, there are ways to
Speaker 3: stand form there. There are like you know, you can
Speaker 3: read like you know, Wall Street Journal, New York Times,
Speaker 3: things that are not quite a salacious just so you're informed,
Speaker 3: but not like rolling around in the monk of it.
Speaker 3: And also too sometimes you get even opt out of that.
Speaker 3: Believe me, there's enough people in your life that will say, hey,
Speaker 3: this is what's happening, and this is what's going on.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, you know, there's this collective. I was thinking
Speaker 3: about this today that whenever I walk, especially in the fall,
Speaker 3: like I you know, there's always some leaf that catches
Speaker 3: my eyes.
Speaker 1: I think myself, Oh my god, this live is so
Speaker 1: freaking beautiful. It's like a frea.
Speaker 3: Consumer star, you know, because they're like perfectly designed. And
Speaker 3: I think to myself, I might be the only person
Speaker 3: in the world that we'll all see this leaf. And
Speaker 3: this leaf has decided to be beautiful anyway. And what
Speaker 3: a lesson that, you know, we can shine whether we're
Speaker 3: going to get seen or not. And then doctor Green
Speaker 3: reminded me that, like you're shining and it's critically important
Speaker 3: because you are part.
Speaker 1: Of a collective.
Speaker 3: Imagine if all the leaves were like, well, I'm not
Speaker 3: going to be seen. I'm not going to change this
Speaker 3: beautiful color in the northeast. But think about the collective
Speaker 3: like cocophony of like what the leaves look like when
Speaker 3: they've all changed colors. That we are all individually so
Speaker 3: important and connected. And I know we like to think
Speaker 3: of them over there and these people were there and
Speaker 3: that no, no, no, no, Like there is a collective
Speaker 3: consciousness that we all are part.
Speaker 1: Of, and to harm one is to harm all.
Speaker 3: Think about how we collectively felt when COVID happened. I
Speaker 3: didn't know anybody in Paris, but I felt them because
Speaker 3: I was feeling the same thing.
Speaker 1: We all had to set down somewhere.
Speaker 3: You know, think about how we collectively felt when you know,
Speaker 3: those planes hit on nine to eleven. There was this
Speaker 3: collective consciousness that here in the United States, we were like,
Speaker 3: what the hell that we collectively felt? And so we
Speaker 3: just be best to remember that, like you can't do
Speaker 3: harm to one without harming yourself. You know that there
Speaker 3: is a collective consciousness. And I don't know that we'll
Speaker 3: ever get to a place where we remember that, like
Speaker 3: we're part of a whole, and each leaf is important,
Speaker 3: whether it gets to be a superstar or not, that
Speaker 3: is collective.
Speaker 1: It's collectively important. So I just think about that a lot,
Speaker 1: Like I wonder iful I ever get to a place
Speaker 1: of civility where we're not like, you know, like it's
Speaker 1: it's like me against you and somebody gotta lose, you know.
Speaker 2: I think that's no. I do feel like there are
Speaker 2: a lot of people who do feel that way, but
Speaker 2: they're not often on cable news. And I think if
Speaker 2: you put down the phone like you said you're doing,
Speaker 2: and like not not tune in and not be immersed
Speaker 2: in the in the entertainment, the spectacle of it all.
Speaker 2: I think just regular people down at the pole Sylvia
Speaker 2: being like, just vote, glad you're here. You know, here's
Speaker 2: a munch can enjoy. It's a little stale be here's
Speaker 2: since four am, but here's a munchkin. You know, have
Speaker 2: a good day. But yeah, I pray. I'm praying for
Speaker 2: the poll workers, and I hope that there's no shenanigans
Speaker 2: because they're just good people volunteering or getting paid peanuts,
Speaker 2: you know, to be there. NBA fan, will we talk
Speaker 2: to them again before that? I don't know if we'll
Speaker 2: talk to you all again before the election.
Speaker 1: This is it.
Speaker 2: We'll see y'all next Wednesday. On the other side.
Speaker 1: You on the other side.
Speaker 2: Okay, let's talk about something that cheers us up. All right, Okay,
Speaker 2: you brought the leaf thing? Anything else?
Speaker 1: Not the leaf thing?
Speaker 3: We talked about last time? We talked about their house warming,
Speaker 3: because that was such a beautiful warming.
Speaker 1: Did we talk about it? Because did I just talked
Speaker 1: to you about it?
Speaker 2: I don't remember. Didn't we record last week? I do
Speaker 2: not recall.
Speaker 1: Oh no, you know what we had?
Speaker 2: NFL star Brandon Copeland.
Speaker 1: Oh that's right.
Speaker 3: Well, I want to say that I had a housewarming
Speaker 3: and Mandy and her amazing husband came.
Speaker 1: It was so great to see them both out and
Speaker 1: be out.
Speaker 3: I thought about Rigi today because I was like, oh,
Speaker 3: I need to buy a new dishwasher.
Speaker 1: You know who I should ask me because you know
Speaker 1: he is like.
Speaker 3: Yo. I remember last time he was like my best
Speaker 3: buddy because we were both buying appliance at the same time,
Speaker 3: like your household of my, and I'd be like, you're like, well,
Speaker 3: and you can read a book about im, like put
Speaker 3: them on the phone. So and I have to say
Speaker 3: all of the choices that he hate me help me
Speaker 3: make with my appliances. I mean it's been what six
Speaker 3: years now, I mean a plus plus and not not
Speaker 3: an issue. So I'm like Evka, So I might just
Speaker 3: buy the same diswatch for I bought last time that
Speaker 3: he suggested. But the houseworm was so great because I
Speaker 3: didn't understand until well, I'll say this that I although
Speaker 3: I thought my condo was great, it felt like a
Speaker 3: beautiful hotel. And I told doctor Greene, like, it doesn't
Speaker 3: feel like home. I'm not really sure what to do.
Speaker 3: And I was like, when I go back to my househouse,
Speaker 3: that kind of feels like home, but not as much
Speaker 3: as it used to. And I kind of feel like
Speaker 3: shiftless in the middle. And she said, well, it doesn't
Speaker 3: feel like home because you haven't built memories there and
Speaker 3: you know, your your house in you know, around the corner.
Speaker 3: It feels like home because you built all these amazing memories.
Speaker 3: You just have to consciously build memories at the condo.
Speaker 3: And I said, okay, And so the housewarming, I'm so
Speaker 3: glad I did decided to have it at the condo
Speaker 3: because it was my birthday. You know, it's literally my
Speaker 3: birthday party slash housewarming because the amount of love and
Speaker 3: it was just like everyone all my folks. I mean,
Speaker 3: I've been forty was the last time I think when
Speaker 3: I cut off the last negative person in my life
Speaker 3: who had direct access. But I am just surrounded by
Speaker 3: the most amazing people. I mean, Terrell Jirell's twin was there,
Speaker 3: my boyfriend was there, and a boyfriend.
Speaker 1: Nanny was like when I said, this is my boyfriend
Speaker 1: rooting for you.
Speaker 3: Nandy and her husband was there, my sister's, my niece,
Speaker 3: my nephew. But it was just such an amazing, like
Speaker 3: twenty five plus people, delicious food from our fave Nisha,
Speaker 3: and the next day. I never understood why people called
Speaker 3: it a housewarming until I woke up the next day
Speaker 3: and the house felt different.
Speaker 1: It was warmed with love. Honestly, I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is why it went from this beautiful kind of
Speaker 1: cold place, not literally cold, but you know, a mostly
Speaker 1: cold place to like, it felt so beautifully warm in here,
Speaker 1: and you guys left so much love behind, and I
Speaker 1: just was so grateful for that.
Speaker 3: I just was like, all right, I'm gonna be intentional
Speaker 3: with having other warming activities here, and so I'm just
Speaker 3: really grateful for that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I mean it's blank canvas. I think for
Speaker 2: any new homeowner or like moving into a new space,
Speaker 2: especially when it is that immaculate and designed within an
Speaker 2: inch of its life for beauty and aliens, I feel
Speaker 2: the same way. I want to like rough it around
Speaker 2: the edges a little bit. I mean, not your place,
Speaker 2: because it's very nice, but you know, get little Yeah,
Speaker 2: I like the idea, but just having the kids run around,
Speaker 2: make some art, add their art to the art walls. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you have all your great beautiful art, but like you know,
Speaker 2: get some pictures from the party being punted up, but yeah,
Speaker 2: it was. It was a beautiful, beautiful full time. And
Speaker 2: I got to play another date night for Husbie because
Speaker 2: he's been here with alone with these children. Not alone
Speaker 2: because he always imports his parents from the heights, because
Speaker 2: I'm just like, you can do this, but he's just whatever,
Speaker 2: he needs his chaperons. But yeah, he's been here with
Speaker 2: the kiddos. And I'm probably gonna have to convince the
Speaker 2: boys that I'm still cool and that they love me
Speaker 2: a lot, because one thing about these boys is they
Speaker 2: do love their dad, and I love it for them.
Speaker 2: But when I'm gone, like it makes it so much
Speaker 2: harder because I feel like I gotta Frio is a
Speaker 2: little easier. Remy Rue, Oh my baby, that baby loves his.
Speaker 1: Daddy too much.
Speaker 2: It's like, where's my little school wish? But we're doing
Speaker 2: our oh so one thing bringing me joey is we're
Speaker 2: doing our Halloween block party this week and I took
Speaker 2: charge over it because it can got it can get
Speaker 2: a little political in our neighborhood between the the the
Speaker 2: elders and the young'uns and myself being on the young
Speaker 2: inside and like it can get a little Yeah, there's
Speaker 2: a lot there's it can be a little political and
Speaker 2: a little dramatic. And I just told the girls this year,
Speaker 2: I was like, listen, I got this. Type B mom
Speaker 2: is who I am, and type B mom is going
Speaker 2: to save the day. Like, don't worry about nothing. So
Speaker 2: we're having a party. Kids are gonna come, Candy will
Speaker 2: be consumed, laughter will be had, houses will be bounced in.
Speaker 2: It's going to be I love a good old time.
Speaker 1: I love that.
Speaker 2: So we'll just focus on those happy.
Speaker 3: What about a little bit of like business shade. So
Speaker 3: are you familiar with Darius Cooks?
Speaker 2: Wait?
Speaker 1: No, okay, so I know you're familiar food with Tabitha Brown.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, of course.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: We didn't talk about this because I was like, we
Speaker 3: usually don't like dabble in the shades. But so Darius
Speaker 3: Cooks is like I would say, he's a food influencer.
Speaker 3: He's also like a cook. He's had some restaurants, but
Speaker 3: he's always in some mess. You know, some people actually
Speaker 3: relish in the mess of it all. He loves to
Speaker 3: talk badly about people.
Speaker 2: He's on the wrapping chef is because that's my favorite.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, not even close. So anyway,
Speaker 3: we all know Auntie Tab. I don't like to call
Speaker 3: her Aunti Tab because we the same age, so we
Speaker 3: all know Tab cousin Tab. And so he did this
Speaker 3: video saying that he believed that her Target deal was
Speaker 3: was unwise.
Speaker 1: Did you hear about this?
Speaker 2: Oh lord?
Speaker 3: And so he was like, this is a really unwise
Speaker 3: deal and that she could have made way more money
Speaker 3: if she created her own line of things. And some
Speaker 3: of the numbers he was spitting out of was like,
Speaker 3: are these just just made up numbers?
Speaker 1: He was saying it was really crazy.
Speaker 3: And you know, it's one thing to kind of like
Speaker 3: talk about business and kind of this esoteric sense, but
Speaker 3: he was calling her like a fool. She's a fool,
Speaker 3: he just kept saying, over and over. He basically was like,
Speaker 3: here's the thing about his numbers. He said, So, let's
Speaker 3: just say cousin Tab made ten million dollars from this
Speaker 3: target deal where she put her face on certain things
Speaker 3: or whatever.
Speaker 1: He said.
Speaker 3: If she created like a potline for herself, let's just
Speaker 3: say pots, because that's what he does, and she sold
Speaker 3: them for like forty bucks a pot or whatever with
Speaker 3: her However, many three four million followers. If two three
Speaker 3: million of them bought the pots, she would make one
Speaker 3: hundred and fifty million dollars some crazy number. And I
Speaker 3: was like, now here's the thing, Darius is. He might
Speaker 3: be done, but he's not stupid. He's in business man
Speaker 3: to me, it like, and there were people in the
Speaker 3: audits that're like, oh, that is so true. That's so true.
Speaker 3: One that's actually not how business works. You don't make gross,
Speaker 3: you make net. So even if she were to sell
Speaker 3: a pot on social media for forty dollars, it's like
Speaker 3: there would be distribution, they would be housing of that pot,
Speaker 3: there would.
Speaker 2: Be she'd be marketing and herself girl.
Speaker 3: Creating the pot on top of the ten thousand other
Speaker 3: things that cousins have does, and then you'd have to
Speaker 3: pay for the warehouse and all the other things.
Speaker 1: So that forty dollars dollars or whatever you'd make poor pot.
Speaker 3: Might go down to five dollars and then the stress
Speaker 3: of running that business. Also, the assumption that you have
Speaker 3: four million followers and two million will buy a pot.
Speaker 3: That's crazy because the conversion rate of social media on
Speaker 3: the high end, you're looking at about two or three percent.
Speaker 3: If you're lucky actually purchasing a product. Typically you have
Speaker 3: two or three percent. The larger the audience actually just
Speaker 3: engage with your with your content, you know, so to
Speaker 3: even say that like no one, no one closes as
Speaker 3: a third of the people following them purchasing something, unless
Speaker 3: you only have one hundred people following you. The larger
Speaker 3: the audience, the less likely that people are going to engage.
Speaker 3: And then you get so let's just say three percent
Speaker 3: of people engage with her content, and then three percent
Speaker 3: of the people who engage actually buy. And so all
Speaker 3: of that trouble versus like you know, working with a
Speaker 3: target that's going to do the heavy lift and pay
Speaker 3: you as someone who has done both, you know, like
Speaker 3: I have sold books separately, you know, like an independently
Speaker 3: or like it gets to keep more money. And then
Speaker 3: I've sold books traditionally where Penguin, my publishing house, takes
Speaker 3: on the heavy lift of printing the books, shipping the books,
Speaker 3: distributing the books, all that kind of stuff. And I'm
Speaker 3: here to say there's no necessary right or wrong. But
Speaker 3: everyone doesn't want to do all the things of solf.
Speaker 3: Sometimes they just want to sit back and be like,
Speaker 3: give me a cute little check, so I just thought like, yeah,
Speaker 3: it just it really bothered me to see. I mean,
Speaker 3: I know he's only doing it because he wants his
Speaker 3: name out there.
Speaker 2: So it's like giving creepy old guy at the gym
Speaker 2: telling you, yeah, giving you advice you didn't ask for
Speaker 2: when like trying to give some own biles tips, yeah,
Speaker 2: because he don't recognize her. Or there was that one
Speaker 2: that viral video of like the pro golfer the woman
Speaker 2: golfer who went to like one of those you know,
Speaker 2: the things where people can golf, regulars regulars can golf,
Speaker 2: and a guy came over and tried to give her
Speaker 2: advice and she's like, I don't know, some kind of
Speaker 2: like crazy world iman or something. Yeah, that's what it's giving.
Speaker 2: It's like you can also sit down, Darius.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean it's embarrassing for him. We're giving oxygen
Speaker 2: to his name, which I guess is what he wanted.
Speaker 2: But let me just say Tab tab tab tab time
Speaker 2: tab target.
Speaker 1: I mean cap speaking tab.
Speaker 3: She's she's been in like movies now, TV shows, and
Speaker 3: you know she's not just out here tap.
Speaker 1: You know, cousin Tab has a whole team.
Speaker 3: I just thought it was just important to be like here,
Speaker 3: people are going to have opinions always and oftentimes they
Speaker 3: don't have access to what you are capable of doing.
Speaker 2: And like, who showed him the contract?
Speaker 1: I mean nobody did nobody? Did you know? And so
Speaker 1: all that you're.
Speaker 3: Guessing that she's making, you don't know she makes front
Speaker 3: end and back end, you.
Speaker 1: Know, all that you're guessing that she's making.
Speaker 3: I just thought that, like, you know, it bears to
Speaker 3: be said that, like child, it's okay to sit down
Speaker 3: and mind your business, you know, but I get it.
Speaker 1: His business is to be salacious.
Speaker 3: Is it?
Speaker 2: Because it doesn't he just cook well, you would think.
Speaker 3: But the truth matter is I think when things get quiet,
Speaker 3: he likes to do things like this will talk about him.
Speaker 1: But I think he thought.
Speaker 3: I don't think he realized how many people would be
Speaker 3: angry on her behalf because normally his audience is very loyal,
Speaker 3: even when he does shenanigans.
Speaker 1: But they said this is where.
Speaker 3: We draw the line a cousin tab and so I
Speaker 3: just thought that was like and I was like, okay,
Speaker 3: you know, you got the attention that you were looking for,
Speaker 3: but even bigger, just for those of you who have
Speaker 3: businesses that you might find yourself on the receiving end
Speaker 3: of unsolicited advice from people who have no idea.
Speaker 1: You know, family members who are like, oh, you know
Speaker 1: what you need to do. This is when someone tells
Speaker 1: me that, I'm like, you do it. If it's so easy,
Speaker 1: it will make you a million dollars. Oh, don't give
Speaker 1: it to me. Go ahead and do that million dollar
Speaker 1: idea because.
Speaker 2: It's never and I made foods and eat a sandwich
Speaker 2: and you go viral on that, I mean, and then
Speaker 2: become a multi billion million dollar brand exactly an Emmy
Speaker 2: Award winning children's.
Speaker 1: Prim because it's so easy.
Speaker 3: So if you're out here grinding and doing your thing
Speaker 3: and people are giving you unsolicited advices, you have the
Speaker 3: wherewithal to say thank you so much. But you know,
Speaker 3: I'm actually not taking advice right now. If you think
Speaker 3: need to learn their black owned business, or I mean
Speaker 3: mine their black owned.
Speaker 2: Business, mind your black owned business, well Black Enterprise has
Speaker 2: written about it, so that y'all don't have to go
Speaker 2: digging and giving him clicks. Give them clicks instead. While
Speaker 2: I always here, though, do you remember Christopher John Rogers,
Speaker 2: He had the line with Target speaking of targets. Yes,
Speaker 2: I have a made Yeah, me too, and I always
Speaker 2: get tons of compliments on it. He's going, he's uh,
Speaker 2: he's partnering with the Little Guys again. He's doing a
Speaker 2: collection with Jake Crew.
Speaker 1: So I saw all that.
Speaker 3: It sold out already, girl, please really within thirty minute.
Speaker 3: I mean, his stuff is amazing. It's just he's known
Speaker 3: for his color. And I don't know if everything has
Speaker 3: sold out, but the girl is. You know, the fashion
Speaker 3: girls were eating it up, and so we love when
Speaker 3: the black designer gets there.
Speaker 2: Just do I mean? I want to be a fashion girly.
Speaker 2: Oh and doctor phil And Dorsa's trumpl well ripping his
Speaker 2: letter off my wall. It's email that I printed out.
Speaker 2: All right, let's go take a break, okay.
Speaker 4: And now it's time to booster a break or booster break,
Speaker 4: booster break?
Speaker 1: Are you gonna boost? Is your going to break? What
Speaker 1: you're gonna do, what you're gonna take? Le la la
Speaker 1: la la.
Speaker 3: Anyway you wanna go first or second.
Speaker 2: I'll go first. I'm gonna do a break. Let me
Speaker 2: make sure I get the title right, because someone.
Speaker 1: Brought gift because I gotta, I gotta, I gotta boost
Speaker 1: some positive.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's let's get something positive. So I mean, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna break the fact that someone. Uh So I did
Speaker 2: a little meet up while I was in Atlanta of
Speaker 2: Mandy Money Make and then couple of Yeah. It was
Speaker 2: really cute and also just brand ambition fans. There was
Speaker 2: like one who's like, can I come? And I was
Speaker 2: like yeah, And so this woman called Stacy she came.
Speaker 2: And Stacy had just founded this organization called Shift Her,
Speaker 2: which focuses on Black women's reproductive health and especially on
Speaker 2: perry menopause and menopause and the postmenopause. And she just
Speaker 2: launched this, I think last February, but she's already had
Speaker 2: an event with this renowned obg yn called Jessica Shepherd.
Speaker 2: And Jessica Shepherd she just became the chief medical officer
Speaker 2: for Hers or Hymns. You don't that brand? What is
Speaker 2: it called Hers? It's like in Target. Yeah, she's a
Speaker 2: chief medical officer at Hers. So anyway, Jessica had just
Speaker 2: written a book called Generation M and I started to
Speaker 2: read it because Stacy so kindly informed me that even
Speaker 2: though I'm in my late dirties, perry menopause starts earlier
Speaker 2: and women color because we get everything everything great and
Speaker 2: good for us only. And I'm already I mean, I'm
Speaker 2: not I'm not fully I'm not going to say I'm
Speaker 2: in perimenopause. I have not talked to a gynecologist since
Speaker 2: I pushed out my child and got the checkup. Yeah. So,
Speaker 2: but I'm like concerned because my mom started a menopause
Speaker 2: in her early to mid forties. And you can never
Speaker 2: be I think, too aware or too prepared. So the
Speaker 2: book is called Generation M Living Well in Perimenopause and Menopause.
Speaker 2: So check it out, read it.
Speaker 1: And yeah, there's that.
Speaker 3: There's that documentary that's making the rounds. There's a former anchor.
Speaker 1: Oh, I forget her name.
Speaker 3: I don't want to say wrong, she's got like I
Speaker 3: want to say, uh solanad No. I feel like she's
Speaker 3: Middle Eastern something with the tee tap. But it's like
Speaker 3: it's like really making the rounds. Like, let me see
Speaker 3: if I can find her, because it's a I've heard
Speaker 3: people are having really good like.
Speaker 1: You know, it's just such a great what is her name?
Speaker 1: Darn it?
Speaker 3: Oh, I'm so sorry, lady, but I wanted to like
Speaker 3: she Yeah, so she she's been having like honestly, like
Speaker 3: her channel has been such a great channel.
Speaker 2: M factor. Oh, Tamsen Fadal, yes, is that her?
Speaker 3: Okay, So she used to be an news anchor. And
Speaker 3: then she's like, all these things were happening, no one
Speaker 3: was gonna explain what it was. Turns out it was
Speaker 3: perrymnopause and menopause. And she's like, and you know who's
Speaker 3: doing a lot of talks about it now?
Speaker 2: To Halle Berry, Oh great, like yeah, yeah, you know
Speaker 2: we've seen Oprah and Gail and all that. I love.
Speaker 2: I love that we're talking about it more about the end.
Speaker 2: I'm I don't know, I'm curious to hear what your
Speaker 2: experience has been to But the whole Perry of it all,
Speaker 2: Tad is one of the people that it is like,
Speaker 2: she's real, She's so real about it, and it just
Speaker 2: kind of it just takes the oxygen out of that
Speaker 2: idea that it's like something to be ashamed about or
Speaker 2: something to be hidden. It's natural. But if we just
Speaker 2: we destigmatize it and we talk about it and older
Speaker 2: generations talk to younger generations mothers to daughters, aunties to
Speaker 2: nieces and help us, maybe we won't have to suffer
Speaker 2: as much in silence like, well.
Speaker 3: I'll say that so far it's probably I mean now
Speaker 3: that I think about, like I used to be so
Speaker 3: good at sleeping at night, and then I wasn't.
Speaker 1: So it could have been that, you know, like they soud,
Speaker 1: I know, you know it's so crazy because I was
Speaker 1: asleep on me. Just give me a pillow.
Speaker 3: I don't even need a bit of a pillow and
Speaker 3: a flat surface. But then I even now I have
Speaker 3: a hard time staying asleep. I will say, like my
Speaker 3: psycho is is still really regular. That's why I had
Speaker 3: not thought about it. I always just associated metopause you
Speaker 3: don't get your period, and I was like, well I'm
Speaker 3: still getting it, so.
Speaker 1: But even still things like.
Speaker 3: Oh, I don't know if I send it to I
Speaker 3: need to because sorry, you know men listening, not sorry
Speaker 3: you god daughters.
Speaker 1: Is you man to a woman that.
Speaker 3: Even the color of your period will kind of indicate
Speaker 3: what's happening. So for example, they were like, if you women,
Speaker 3: who will know this, if you kind of get that
Speaker 3: brick red brownish pre post period, which I was getting,
Speaker 3: that sometimes shows that you have low progesterone. That's why
Speaker 3: I wasn't able to have a baby. But I was
Speaker 3: getting that. I wish I would have known early. Like,
Speaker 3: if you're getting that in your mid and early thirties,
Speaker 3: you might really want to lean in with your doctor
Speaker 3: and say, oh ho, you know, like ideally your period
Speaker 3: supposed to be kind of like bright red, and this
Speaker 3: means that, like you know, you're there are certain things
Speaker 3: that different colors of your period means. And I just
Speaker 3: was like whoa, and I had not known that, and
Speaker 3: so yeah, so but as you know, the older I get,
Speaker 3: the more that color shows up, which you know, which
Speaker 3: is natural because the older you get, the lower your
Speaker 3: progesterone levels, the less likely you are to have to
Speaker 3: be able to get pregnant. But yeah, but even now,
Speaker 3: like I mean, I was at my gotecologist the other
Speaker 3: day and she said, like, be care careful, you know,
Speaker 3: because you, I know, you think you can't get pregnant, Tiffany.
Speaker 1: But like sometimes she said.
Speaker 3: Girl, women, be like that last bit of boom boom
Speaker 3: on your way out, she said, because your body's like
Speaker 3: hold on, we're about to talk. Were about to close
Speaker 3: up shop. Let me let me sell some of these
Speaker 3: last goods in here, she said. The oldest woman that
Speaker 3: she ever delivered a baby for fifty two and she said.
Speaker 3: The lady was like, is this real? So she said,
Speaker 3: she said, you're still getting your cycle. And although it's
Speaker 3: not as likely, sometimes women actually will ramp up their
Speaker 3: fertility right as they're about to head on out, you know.
Speaker 1: And I was like, okay, because you know, up until now,
Speaker 1: I was like, well, I can't you know, it is
Speaker 1: what it is.
Speaker 3: And she said, you know, I don't know where you
Speaker 3: are as far as wanting to give birth, but just
Speaker 3: be mindful that you know, it's not off the table,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 1: And it just was just like okay, So.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean other than that, I don't know, Like
Speaker 3: I don't the truth in matter is I might be
Speaker 3: experiencing penny perimenopause sensens and I just don't know that's
Speaker 3: what it was. I just was like, I'm stressed, I'm
Speaker 3: not sleeping, not realizing that that might be a symptom because.
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, my cycle is regular. I'm like, that's
Speaker 1: not the only symptom.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what we need to know about the sleeping
Speaker 2: thing and the itchy ears and yeah, yeah there's tons.
Speaker 2: So that's a good place to start. So the documentary.
Speaker 2: I just looked it up on PBS for anyone who's interested.
Speaker 2: It's called The M Factor, Shutting the Silence on Menopause.
Speaker 2: And then doctor Shepherd's book is called The M or
Speaker 2: Generation M Living Well at the Time of Perry Perrymenopause
Speaker 2: and Menopause. So let's educate ourselves, yes, because she's coming for.
Speaker 3: Us all if you're blessed enough to be here's long well,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna do just a quick booth. I had always
Speaker 3: mentioned that twenty twenty three was like kind of a
Speaker 3: hard dear business. I was like down forty percent in
Speaker 3: my most profitable business, which is the literature Academy, and
Speaker 3: the budget needs to just broke even.
Speaker 1: So I mean, like NET, maybe we just paid our bills.
Speaker 1: So this year was much better.
Speaker 3: Still, you know, not kaboom, but you know we were
Speaker 3: We were better than NET and we had strong profits
Speaker 3: and so but what the what the down year taught
Speaker 3: me was it was time for me to get additional
Speaker 3: leadership help. So I've got leaders leaders on my team.
Speaker 3: But I realized that more and more what I'm really
Speaker 3: good at and what I'm not good at, and I'm
Speaker 3: not good at strategy I'm really good at networking. You
Speaker 3: put me in a room, I'm gonna come back with
Speaker 3: a contract, you know, you put me out you know,
Speaker 3: put me out there coach.
Speaker 1: Like I'm gonna like, I am really good at bringing
Speaker 1: money to the table.
Speaker 3: But I really have a hard time. I mean, I'm
Speaker 3: a good enough leader in that, you know, like I
Speaker 3: build really great community and.
Speaker 1: On team, great culture.
Speaker 3: People feel like they have autonomy all that stuff, But
Speaker 3: if you were to ask me day to day, I
Speaker 3: have a hard time wrapping my mind around creating structure.
Speaker 1: And so I decided that I was gonna get a
Speaker 1: co CEO.
Speaker 3: So I could just do the parts that I'm really
Speaker 3: good at and then someone else who is very structured
Speaker 3: can do that. And so I had this business coach
Speaker 3: that I had for the last five or six years.
Speaker 1: His name is de Besh, and.
Speaker 2: I didn't I had been looking Zion something.
Speaker 3: Well yeah, well Zion was the coach. So they co coached.
Speaker 3: They had a team of coaches. Yeah, some Zions who
Speaker 3: I met originally, But Devest was one of his co
Speaker 3: coaches and he's the one that, like the team really
Speaker 3: clicked with the most during that time period.
Speaker 1: And then he continued to coach me afterward, Okay, gotcha, okay.
Speaker 3: And so so yeah, I know him for a while,
Speaker 3: but I was like, Zion's not gonna want to co CEO.
Speaker 3: And my friend's like, well, why don't you ask? You
Speaker 3: never know because he I'm not the only CEO he
Speaker 3: was coaching. He's a CEO coach, so he had a
Speaker 3: bunch of clients. I'm like, yeah, but he has a
Speaker 3: whole business. Girl, he's busy, and she's like, just ask
Speaker 3: because I had been looking and it had not been
Speaker 3: going well. And you know, I already knew how great
Speaker 3: he was. And he's kind all the thing, but also
Speaker 3: very structured without feeling like oppressive and overwhelming.
Speaker 1: So I was like, this is gonna sound crazy, but
Speaker 1: I'm looking for co CEO. I know you're busy with
Speaker 1: your own business. And he said, actually, it's not crazy.
Speaker 1: I believe Zion has either two or three kids. He's married,
Speaker 1: and he's like, honestly, his kids are not like big kids,
Speaker 1: you know, they're young.
Speaker 3: He's like, I'm wanting to kind of just settle down
Speaker 3: basically because of CEO. Because Zion will fly out and
Speaker 3: go to a meeting with you. That's what kind of
Speaker 3: coach he is, Like, I had a big old meeting
Speaker 3: in the city. He flew from he and lives in Canada.
Speaker 3: He flew from Canada to meet me, to have the
Speaker 3: meeting with me. So you could just have to imagine,
Speaker 3: you know, how not to put your business out there.
Speaker 3: Zion not Zorion, sorry the best, but you can imagine
Speaker 3: how when you have young kids. You know, it's a
Speaker 3: lot because I'm not, like I said, I'm not his
Speaker 3: only client, and he was like, I'd be lying if
Speaker 3: I didn't say. I thought to myself, if I was
Speaker 3: ever gonna be the ceover company, it would.
Speaker 1: Be the budgeties STA because I love the energy, the
Speaker 1: intention and the integrity with which you run that business.
Speaker 1: You know, since I've been here for like six years
Speaker 1: just watching and seeing how the team navigates, and so
Speaker 1: we have been testing it out. You know, I know.
Speaker 2: How's it going and why specifically co CEO and not
Speaker 2: like COO or chief strategy officer or something like that.
Speaker 2: I'm just curious.
Speaker 3: Because I really wanted eventually, I want to like literally
Speaker 3: do none of the strategy stuff, like because as a CEO,
Speaker 3: there are parts that I still have to be responsible
Speaker 3: for and ideally, you know, maybe one day I won't
Speaker 3: even be CEO. I don't know, And so this is
Speaker 3: like a gentle like can you come in and run
Speaker 3: the back end of the business. Like we just had
Speaker 3: like such an amazing call our team. We have a
Speaker 3: team call every.
Speaker 1: Monday, and all the ideas.
Speaker 3: Like I'm the type. We have all these ideas floating
Speaker 3: in the air. We talked through them, but we didn't
Speaker 3: have some sort of document. He created this amazing document
Speaker 3: where we could see like what the next what the
Speaker 3: the end of the year looks like? Like who's responsible
Speaker 3: for what we went through? When do you think you'll
Speaker 3: have this done? Because usually we walk through these things,
Speaker 3: but there's no visual and now everyone kind of got
Speaker 3: to share what they felt. They're like, I love the
Speaker 3: fact that I don't feel like I'm working in a silo.
Speaker 3: I know what everyone's working on, but I also know
Speaker 3: what my responsibilities are. I was not able to provide
Speaker 3: that although we talked through it. I knewhere everything was
Speaker 3: in my head, but I didn't know how to create
Speaker 3: the systems. If you will, you know, And so right
Speaker 3: now there are one of the goals for one of
Speaker 3: the responsibilities for a CEO obviously is to make sure
Speaker 3: that all things back end are working and create systems
Speaker 3: and but also part of the role of the CEO
Speaker 3: is what I'm really good at is bringing money to
Speaker 3: the table. And so that's why I said co CEO
Speaker 3: because I really want to split my responsibilities in half.
Speaker 1: Like, let me go out.
Speaker 3: If you give me the freedom, I will bring back
Speaker 3: so much money to the table. I speak on a conference,
Speaker 3: a panel or whatever. People say, I want to work
Speaker 3: with you, we work it out, then I can drop
Speaker 3: it off with the team and then the best you create,
Speaker 3: you know, a plan to navigate and work through what
Speaker 3: does it actually look like the delivery of the thing
Speaker 3: that I just you know, I helped to pull in.
Speaker 3: And so that's why I said co CEO because it
Speaker 3: really is there are multiple roles of the CEO, and
Speaker 3: I want to split them in half and just focus
Speaker 3: on the things that I'm really good at. Yeah, and
Speaker 3: so I'm looking forward to it. So you know, I'm
Speaker 3: taking November off. So he's been here about a month.
Speaker 3: He was already working with me anyway, but been here
Speaker 3: with the team for about a month. And now he's
Speaker 3: going to be able to work with them this month
Speaker 3: without me being here, you know, December, we have half
Speaker 3: the month. At the end of January, we get to
Speaker 3: all vote, or my vote counts equally as everyone else anonymously, Like,
Speaker 3: because I made the mistake of promoting someone to CEO
Speaker 3: and then the team being like, who said that, Who's
Speaker 3: I don't I don't want that.
Speaker 1: I was like, wait what, So I had to.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I didn't want to make that same mistake again,
Speaker 3: So I said, you know, I you know, I could
Speaker 3: tell they're nervous, but I think they realized now, oh,
Speaker 3: it really is co Tiffany is still here. She's just
Speaker 3: doing her tifany stuff, but she's really good at and
Speaker 3: so also too, I let them know. If the vote
Speaker 3: says then it's no girl, we will figure out something else.
Speaker 2: So they're going to vote on whether or not Divush
Speaker 2: is going to be he knows, he's well aware.
Speaker 3: So they will vote, and but I want them to vote,
Speaker 3: and whether it's yes or no, I want them to
Speaker 3: share why, because either way we want to get feedback like, yeah,
Speaker 3: you were really great, but you didn't communicate as well
Speaker 3: about this or whatever that is.
Speaker 2: And so isn't pretty unusual to let like staff vote
Speaker 2: on the seat. Absolutely, it's like a board on the
Speaker 2: high mountain top.
Speaker 3: Is but we never navigated that way because here's the thing.
Speaker 3: In the end, unhappy people work unhappily, and I don't
Speaker 3: want that to like, I want that like you know
Speaker 3: that we're all on board. I've always I always operate
Speaker 3: the company from a place of transparency. Everyone sees the numbers,
Speaker 3: everyone sees our income, everyone sees our and because then
Speaker 3: I don't have to, then people can work with integrity
Speaker 3: because they know that I do. And I want people
Speaker 3: to know that I actually do care what you think.
Speaker 3: If y'all hate him, then and I want to know
Speaker 3: because imagine me going out there and then people don't
Speaker 3: really fully do their work if they're like, oh, here
Speaker 3: he go telling me what to do. I'm not going
Speaker 3: to be physically here, So why would I leave you
Speaker 3: with somebody that you don't know like and trust and
Speaker 3: so like, yes, you usually don't, but I don't care
Speaker 3: about what people normally do over here at the Budgetista.
Speaker 1: It is really important to me to know how the team.
Speaker 3: Whether you're in customer support, hyper part time contract worker,
Speaker 3: you know, or you are like lead of you know,
Speaker 3: all things community here at the Budgetista, everyone's vote counts,
Speaker 3: and I want to know how you feel and that
Speaker 3: you get to do it anonymously so you don't have
Speaker 3: to worry. And then we get to share our feedback
Speaker 3: with him. And if the answer is yes, great, and
Speaker 3: it's not that we keep looking.
Speaker 1: Yes. But I'm excited about it. I mean so far,
Speaker 1: I mean there's not you know, I'm checking in with
Speaker 1: everyone like, how do you really feel? What about this?
Speaker 1: You know, is there anything he could be doing better?
Speaker 3: And he's really open to that feedback too, because he said, Tiffany,
Speaker 3: I don't want to work anywhere where people don't want
Speaker 3: me here, so you know, I don't want to be
Speaker 3: forced on anyone, which made me feel really good.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I feel really good about it.
Speaker 3: I feel like the direction that the business is going
Speaker 3: in it's exactly what I'm wanting for myself as Tiffany,
Speaker 3: not myself as the Budgetista, which is, I want to
Speaker 3: have a business where I get to show up fully
Speaker 3: in the ways that I enjoy, but not stand in
Speaker 3: the way for the things that need to be done.
Speaker 3: And so if I can have someone do those things
Speaker 3: and then I can do the parts that I enjoy.
Speaker 3: Then I feel like we're rocking and rolling.
Speaker 2: I'm excited to hear what happened.
Speaker 1: I know of this end of January, that's when we
Speaker 1: get to vote, like.
Speaker 2: And you know, it's not like there's been First of all,
Speaker 2: they were aware of him before, and then now you're
Speaker 2: having the transition period.
Speaker 1: I think that's great.
Speaker 2: I think, you know, there's no way to come out
Speaker 2: on the other side and for someone to say, you know,
Speaker 2: this was a raster decision and it's going to be
Speaker 2: really really well thought through, and I think that kind
Speaker 2: of transparency is so necessary. And yeah, I'm excited. I'm
Speaker 2: excited for.
Speaker 3: You and.
Speaker 2: For the Unicorn squad. Yeah, reminds me of one of
Speaker 2: my I only went to a couple talks at Finncom,
Speaker 2: but you know, our buddy just spreed from minority mindset.
Speaker 1: No he wasn't there, Oh yeah, he was there. Think
Speaker 1: I love him.
Speaker 2: I think he's spoken a few times at finn Con,
Speaker 2: but this year I got to see him. He's so cool.
Speaker 2: His style, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I know he's just a fly ist.
Speaker 2: I love just free. If we haven't done a Holibag
Speaker 2: episode to his his interview, we should but he had
Speaker 2: such a good talk on his you know, the fit.
Speaker 2: He's like how to fail and how he's failed trying
Speaker 2: to you know, move from a personal a personality based
Speaker 2: business to a business that is like a personality leveraged business.
Speaker 1: Oh that's good, because that's what I'm trying to do.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I think is.
Speaker 2: What everybody wants to do. But he Yeah, he gave
Speaker 2: a really good talk and just kind of talked through
Speaker 2: how he had minority mindset the YouTube channel, and then
Speaker 2: he wanted to do a blog and then that was
Speaker 2: like a five hundred thousand dollars fail, and then they
Speaker 2: pivoted to do is really successful newsletter instead, and it
Speaker 2: was great, And I think those like this is what
Speaker 2: it really is. You know, you're you're building a business
Speaker 2: or running a business in real time. So it's great
Speaker 2: to get a little peek behind the curtain because typically
Speaker 2: we only hear, you know, they started it in the
Speaker 2: garage and then it's a unicorn and there's a billion
Speaker 2: blah blah blah were.
Speaker 1: Over here struggling.
Speaker 3: But you're right, that's exactly what I'm trying to do.
Speaker 3: I'm not trying to erase Tiffany from the bunjanista. I
Speaker 3: am the budgetista, but it's not I don't want to
Speaker 3: be personality based, but leverage, like use my base, use
Speaker 3: my whatever. But I can't touch every little piece of it.
Speaker 3: I'm actually not good at all the things I love that.
Speaker 3: My team was like, you know, like when I teach
Speaker 3: you Mania, I'm like, I'm holding you back and you're like, well, okay,
Speaker 3: because well no, but honestly, because one thing about me is.
Speaker 2: Running a little too hard.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, And honestly, the thing is, I don't
Speaker 3: mind the mirror because I know that it's true. You know,
Speaker 3: it does to make me feel bad, it's not a
Speaker 3: condemnation of my character. I can recognize, oh my gosh,
Speaker 3: without me, this person could do this. And I can
Speaker 3: recognize like because I'll hear it, like, you know, people.
Speaker 1: On the team like, oh so, what's happening? What are
Speaker 1: we doing?
Speaker 3: It's just and I'm just like, I know, I'm holding
Speaker 3: y'all back as far as it relates to like, I'm
Speaker 3: not that organized and my mind just doesn't work that way.
Speaker 3: And instead of trying to force myself into that position,
Speaker 3: it's like, I hear you, let me go find someone
Speaker 3: that can help us with that. And so the team
Speaker 3: is like tifany is listening.
Speaker 1: Of course they're like, well, we love you. I get it.
Speaker 3: You know, two things can be true that you think
Speaker 3: I'm great because I'm so nice and blah blah blah.
Speaker 3: But also I know that I'm causing a little like
Speaker 3: turmoil because you're not really sure what you should be
Speaker 3: working on in one in one order. And so like
Speaker 3: you know, I'm teaching, I also want to teach the
Speaker 3: team it is okay to acknowledge the places where you
Speaker 3: have shortcomings. And it doesn't mean that something's wrong with me.
Speaker 3: It means like that's just not my gift. That's okay,
Speaker 3: you know. So like I'm okay with acknowledging. I'm not
Speaker 3: good at everything, you know, it's just not possible to be.
Speaker 3: But the things I'm good at, if you position me,
Speaker 3: I could really ramp up and be better at and
Speaker 3: we can find like the best is a spreadsheet king
Speaker 3: and you know, like that's not me, y'all. I ain't
Speaker 3: never gonna get a spreadshee out of me again. So
Speaker 3: you know that there's a spreadsheet girls on the team
Speaker 3: who are like yeah, Like Tracy on the team is
Speaker 3: like very analytical, George, who's my CFO.
Speaker 1: Very analytical. They're like, yeah, spread sheet, bring it over.
Speaker 1: Yeah so I love that.
Speaker 2: Oh well, good for them, good for you. And I mean,
Speaker 2: while you're on your break in November, the brand will
Speaker 2: still be making money, right, like it's to be running yep,
Speaker 2: And that is a huge accomplishment in and of itself.
Speaker 2: So yeah, all right then I guess i'll see you
Speaker 2: in December.
Speaker 1: Well see November two, just because you know, just that's
Speaker 1: Tiffany and Mandy.
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