1 00:00:00,600 --> 00:00:04,120 Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics, 2 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:07,120 Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of 3 00:00:07,160 --> 00:00:11,719 Speaker 1: today's best minds and Texas A g. Ken Paxton sought 4 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:14,880 Speaker 1: to gain the identity of trans people in Texas. We 5 00:00:15,040 --> 00:00:20,640 Speaker 1: have an enlightening show today Representative Primillagia Paul. We'll talk 6 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:23,759 Speaker 1: to us about leading the Progressive Caucus and working with 7 00:00:23,920 --> 00:00:28,000 Speaker 1: President Biden. Then we'll talk to United States Secretary of 8 00:00:28,080 --> 00:00:32,479 Speaker 1: Commerce Gina Raimondo, who will talk to us about how 9 00:00:32,479 --> 00:00:37,199 Speaker 1: the administration is easing inflation and bringing manufacturing back to 10 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:41,479 Speaker 1: the United States. First, we have I newspaper columnist and 11 00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:47,600 Speaker 1: host of the Origin Story podcast and Oh God What Now, 12 00:00:48,159 --> 00:00:51,760 Speaker 1: as well as author of How Westminster Works and Why 13 00:00:51,800 --> 00:00:57,920 Speaker 1: it doesn't, The One the Only Ian dunt Welcome back 14 00:00:57,960 --> 00:01:01,760 Speaker 1: to Fast Politics and done very much, Thank you very much. 15 00:01:01,720 --> 00:01:06,160 Speaker 1: Havn't our special European corresponding. We don't pay you. You 16 00:01:06,240 --> 00:01:09,800 Speaker 1: are a correspondent and I've just been instantly promoted from 17 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:14,080 Speaker 1: British to all of Europe. Yes, because we want to 18 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:17,319 Speaker 1: ask you about it since nothing happens in your little island. 19 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:20,640 Speaker 1: But that's not true. You have a new prime minister. 20 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:24,200 Speaker 1: We do how's it going things happen here? It's just 21 00:01:24,240 --> 00:01:28,080 Speaker 1: that nothing good ever happens here. That's that's the crucial distinction. 22 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:31,920 Speaker 1: Tell us how it's going. Well, it's okay. I mean, 23 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:37,039 Speaker 1: he's he's not completely mad, he's not sort of violent 24 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:39,960 Speaker 1: with his lies, and therefore he is of course far 25 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:43,679 Speaker 1: superior to the last two arguably three prime ministers that 26 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:48,600 Speaker 1: we've had. He is, however, I mean, really quite dreary 27 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:53,080 Speaker 1: and inept and unimaginative and misleading. It has to be said, 28 00:01:53,080 --> 00:01:57,600 Speaker 1: he's misleading within the normal realms of political deception. But nevertheless, 29 00:01:57,640 --> 00:02:00,240 Speaker 1: that is what he is, explained to us why you're 30 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:03,240 Speaker 1: thinking of when you talk about miss leading. So, for instance, 31 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:07,920 Speaker 1: we are currently being absolutely ruined by strikes. I mean, 32 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:11,119 Speaker 1: the extent of the industrial action that's taking place here 33 00:02:11,320 --> 00:02:13,960 Speaker 1: is really just a sort of couple of steps away 34 00:02:13,960 --> 00:02:16,880 Speaker 1: from a general strike. I mean, today alone, I can 35 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:18,960 Speaker 1: tell you that, you know, the postal services on strike, 36 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:23,240 Speaker 1: the nurses are on strike, the ambulance drivers are on strike. 37 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:25,720 Speaker 1: The Border Force Agency is going to be on strike 38 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:28,280 Speaker 1: over Christmas, meaning that the airports are pretty much ground 39 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:31,440 Speaker 1: to a stand still, and the railways are pretty much 40 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:33,720 Speaker 1: constantly on strike. I mean, they're not exactly striking today, 41 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:35,239 Speaker 1: but they were striking earlier this week, and they'll be 42 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:37,560 Speaker 1: striking again later on in the week. But what about 43 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:43,560 Speaker 1: the baggage handlers in Heathrow Because I experienced firsthand that summer, 44 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 1: and I have questions will for some insane reason, they've 45 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:50,160 Speaker 1: decided not to strike. They're like the only people that 46 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:53,360 Speaker 1: are still working this week. Basically, literally, the country just 47 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:55,200 Speaker 1: does not work. I mean, that is the point that 48 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:58,679 Speaker 1: we're at right now, is that nothing actually works. We've 49 00:02:58,720 --> 00:03:01,880 Speaker 1: degraded ourselves sort of back to pretty much where we 50 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:04,440 Speaker 1: were in the nineteen seventies, the sick man of Europe, 51 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:07,000 Speaker 1: you know, the country that just cannot function Rittie soon 52 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:09,359 Speaker 1: next response to this is to basically say, well, look, 53 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:11,840 Speaker 1: I mean, there's there's no negotiating with these people. We 54 00:03:11,919 --> 00:03:13,720 Speaker 1: can't afford to pay them any more money or else 55 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:15,880 Speaker 1: there'll be more inflation. So I'm just going to pass 56 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:18,919 Speaker 1: a bunch of laws that make it harder people to strike. Now, 57 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:21,560 Speaker 1: that's not an out and outlie, but what it is 58 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:24,320 Speaker 1: is profoundly deceptive because the real question that he has 59 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:27,079 Speaker 1: to answer is, you know, if you're going to pay 60 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:29,400 Speaker 1: people more. You need to worry about inflation, sure, and 61 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:32,720 Speaker 1: the way to do that is taxation. To reduce demand 62 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:35,680 Speaker 1: through taxation, which gives you the money simultaneously to pay 63 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:38,560 Speaker 1: more to public sector workers who we need and who 64 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:42,720 Speaker 1: frankly are being impoverished to an intolerable degree by the 65 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 1: extent of existing inflation. And that's why they're striking, Which 66 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:48,600 Speaker 1: is exactly why they're striking. So I mean those kind 67 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:52,000 Speaker 1: of serious political conversations where you actually, you know, honest 68 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:54,720 Speaker 1: with people about the kind of trade offs that are required. 69 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:56,920 Speaker 1: That's not the kind of thing he's prepared to go into. It. 70 00:03:57,040 --> 00:03:59,560 Speaker 1: Just wants to talk tough, look tough, tell them we're 71 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:01,360 Speaker 1: going to get the army out and they can save 72 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:03,640 Speaker 1: your grandmother if she has a stroke, so don't worry 73 00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:05,840 Speaker 1: about it, and will pass some legislation against the strike. 74 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:08,960 Speaker 1: So he's deceptive. He's just not you know, as habitual 75 00:04:09,040 --> 00:04:12,000 Speaker 1: a liar as Boris Johnson or his trust. So you 76 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:15,800 Speaker 1: have all these people on strike, he doesn't want to 77 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:19,440 Speaker 1: negotiate with them for higher wages. Their view on higher 78 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:22,120 Speaker 1: wages is essentially that it will lead to a spiral 79 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:25,800 Speaker 1: towards inflation, towards ever greater inflation, which which in the itself, 80 00:04:25,839 --> 00:04:28,320 Speaker 1: is not an unreasonable argument. The thing is that you can, 81 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:31,719 Speaker 1: you know, you can take several actions that will dampen 82 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:34,800 Speaker 1: inflation on the basis of paying public sector workers more. 83 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:37,560 Speaker 1: You can, for instance, borrow the money and then make 84 00:04:37,560 --> 00:04:39,600 Speaker 1: sure that you raise the interest rates in order to 85 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:43,359 Speaker 1: dampen demand that way. Or you can tax more and 86 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:45,240 Speaker 1: reduce them on that way and use that money to 87 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:48,000 Speaker 1: pay our public sector workers more. So there are avenues 88 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 1: to take, but we're still in the business of sort 89 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:55,520 Speaker 1: of this sort of crazed almost pathological machismo to the 90 00:04:55,560 --> 00:04:58,600 Speaker 1: manner in which we conduct politics, and pretending everything is simple, 91 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:01,400 Speaker 1: pretending you can just batter your way through a sort 92 00:05:01,400 --> 00:05:04,120 Speaker 1: of political obstacles, and that's really ended us where we 93 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:05,960 Speaker 1: are now. That's a very strange thing to say about 94 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:10,200 Speaker 1: Richie Sunac, who himself looks sort of looks like like 95 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:13,039 Speaker 1: the head boy in school who's suddenly been allowed to 96 00:05:13,040 --> 00:05:16,480 Speaker 1: become prime minister for the day, so very very eager 97 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:19,360 Speaker 1: and very excited and thinks he's acting out the part 98 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 1: of what a prime minister would look at. And he 99 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:24,080 Speaker 1: spent his entire time talking about just how tough he is, 100 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:26,039 Speaker 1: how weak all of his opponents are, and then you 101 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:27,840 Speaker 1: look at him and think, well, you're really very thin 102 00:05:27,880 --> 00:05:29,600 Speaker 1: and very short, and I'm not entirely sure that you 103 00:05:29,640 --> 00:05:32,039 Speaker 1: would win in a fight yourself. And that, in the 104 00:05:32,120 --> 00:05:33,960 Speaker 1: end is the sort of small man syndrome that we've 105 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:37,800 Speaker 1: ended up in politically in the country. And ultimately your 106 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:41,159 Speaker 1: inflation in the UK is much much worse than in 107 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 1: the US, right, that's right, it's worse than almost anywhere. 108 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:46,839 Speaker 1: There's a few countries have gotta worse than us, but 109 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:51,200 Speaker 1: it's it's it's hitting like Venezuela, yes, exactly. Well, the 110 00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:53,440 Speaker 1: other you know, great countries that we want to emulate 111 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:55,839 Speaker 1: and replicate in any way that we can. And that's 112 00:05:55,880 --> 00:05:58,159 Speaker 1: partly because you know, we got hit by the same 113 00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:00,360 Speaker 1: things that everyone else got hit by, you know, put 114 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:02,960 Speaker 1: in the war in Ukraine, the impact on energy prices, 115 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:07,359 Speaker 1: the sort of crazed spasms and global trading patterns because 116 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:11,040 Speaker 1: of COVID. However, we also decided to add to that 117 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:14,520 Speaker 1: by virtue of Brexit and make the situation as pernicious 118 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:16,840 Speaker 1: and damaging as it could possibly be. One of the 119 00:06:16,839 --> 00:06:19,560 Speaker 1: things that Brexit did was it put up trading obstacles 120 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:23,560 Speaker 1: in the forms of customs, taxation, regulatory checks with our 121 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:26,840 Speaker 1: largest trading partner. The Brexitters like to pretend that Europe 122 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:29,760 Speaker 1: is like some kind of strange alien entity with which 123 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:32,239 Speaker 1: we can never negotiate, But it is in fact, this massive, 124 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:36,320 Speaker 1: massive consumer market, larger than any other on Earth, right 125 00:06:36,320 --> 00:06:39,200 Speaker 1: there on our doorstep, and all of our trade naturally 126 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:41,920 Speaker 1: goes there, except that all of it now costs more 127 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:46,320 Speaker 1: to send. That is absolutely devastated small and medium sized businesses. 128 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:49,799 Speaker 1: It's made everything more expensive and it's led to labor 129 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:52,280 Speaker 1: shortages as Europeans go home and think, where you know what, 130 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:53,720 Speaker 1: I don't need to do. I don't need to put 131 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:55,880 Speaker 1: up with this if you're going to treat me this way, 132 00:06:56,400 --> 00:06:58,880 Speaker 1: And that in itself then needs to ever greater sort 133 00:06:58,880 --> 00:07:01,560 Speaker 1: of prices. So our inflation is partly the result of 134 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:03,880 Speaker 1: the international sort of impact and partly the result of 135 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:06,839 Speaker 1: the bed that we made ourselves. Right, Yeah, that's what 136 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:09,920 Speaker 1: it seems like to me. And there's no world so 137 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:14,800 Speaker 1: here you are. You're in Europe. It's like America leaving NAFTA. 138 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:17,680 Speaker 1: And I mean, I do think the sit right, I mean, 139 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:21,160 Speaker 1: it's it's it's ridiculous. But it also is like this 140 00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:25,720 Speaker 1: situation where you have all these pressures, domestic pressures, you 141 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 1: have this large anti global lism. I don't even want 142 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:33,400 Speaker 1: to say the word globalism because it's been so corrupted 143 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:37,200 Speaker 1: by the all right, but like you have this anti 144 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:41,119 Speaker 1: sort of globalism and the and the solution to it 145 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:44,200 Speaker 1: is to cut yourself off because in the hopes that 146 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:48,320 Speaker 1: it might help manufacturing at home. But it's not right, Oh, 147 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:50,720 Speaker 1: it doesn't help, manu fact I mean the manufacturing. You know, 148 00:07:50,760 --> 00:07:52,400 Speaker 1: if you if you look at what we do with cars, 149 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:54,800 Speaker 1: what we do with airplanes, those parts are going all 150 00:07:54,840 --> 00:07:56,880 Speaker 1: over Europe, you know, they go on a just in 151 00:07:56,960 --> 00:08:00,080 Speaker 1: time basis from Germany and France to the UK A 152 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:02,960 Speaker 1: and off. You just cut yourself off from from the 153 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:06,960 Speaker 1: manufacturing system. Really, But they didn't even have that kind 154 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:09,880 Speaker 1: of sophisticated an appraisal, and they called for Brexit. Their 155 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:12,120 Speaker 1: real argument for Brexit was we want to get rid 156 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:15,080 Speaker 1: of immigrants. That was the real argument, the central argument, 157 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:18,080 Speaker 1: that's why they did it. And their secondary one was 158 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:21,920 Speaker 1: this thing that I think hits countries when they're feeling insecure, 159 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:25,720 Speaker 1: which is just this sort of this notion of our weakness. 160 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:28,800 Speaker 1: Our inability to have everything we want must be due 161 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:34,120 Speaker 1: to internal enemies. You know, these weak liberals, metropolitan cosmopolitan liberals, 162 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:36,920 Speaker 1: you know who were They're degrading the nation, allowing all 163 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:39,600 Speaker 1: the immigrants in, taking away from you know, the great 164 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:43,160 Speaker 1: sort of imperial Britain, that sort of sense of of 165 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:46,360 Speaker 1: just insecurity and a search for enemies and and a 166 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:49,440 Speaker 1: sense that if you just will for something hard enough, 167 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:53,120 Speaker 1: you can make it come true. And that kind of 168 00:08:53,160 --> 00:08:56,360 Speaker 1: that kind of mentality is still even under Hi Sona 169 00:08:56,440 --> 00:08:59,520 Speaker 1: it was far more sensible and saying basically than its 170 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:04,920 Speaker 1: particiss It's still there, this kind of fantasy land, nasty 171 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:07,480 Speaker 1: minded politics. And on that basis, that's the reason that 172 00:09:07,520 --> 00:09:09,199 Speaker 1: Britain is failing you. That's the reason when you look 173 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:12,480 Speaker 1: outside the window, that the country simply doesn't work because 174 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:14,600 Speaker 1: it is being run by people who aren't properly prepared 175 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:17,640 Speaker 1: to address complicated problems and come up with viable solutions, 176 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:20,559 Speaker 1: but are instead engaged in this really grotty game of 177 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:23,040 Speaker 1: fantasy land politics. What happens? Now? Do do you have 178 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:25,400 Speaker 1: any good news for us about the UK? Yeah? With 179 00:09:25,480 --> 00:09:27,800 Speaker 1: the good newsic now you know what I do? I do? 180 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:30,640 Speaker 1: I think that this year in Britain was the year 181 00:09:30,760 --> 00:09:34,760 Speaker 1: that rationality returned to a certain extent. It didn't return 182 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:39,880 Speaker 1: in the political class, but it has returned among the public. Actually, 183 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:41,920 Speaker 1: you know what, it's sort of happening in the U 184 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:44,760 Speaker 1: s too, So explain, well, are you guys seen sort 185 00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:46,559 Speaker 1: of far more advanced And to be honest, by looking 186 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:48,240 Speaker 1: at what was happening with your elections this year, it 187 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:51,000 Speaker 1: seemed like a similar process was taking place. A people 188 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:53,280 Speaker 1: people love letting the public off the hook. You know. 189 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:54,839 Speaker 1: It was that the public can't be wrong, it's just 190 00:09:54,840 --> 00:09:56,720 Speaker 1: the policy. But the public are wrong all the time, 191 00:09:56,880 --> 00:10:00,560 Speaker 1: very very frequently and quite deeply so. And they were 192 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:03,600 Speaker 1: over Brexit and over the response to Brexit, which is 193 00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:06,520 Speaker 1: just can you please pretend that everything is simple now? 194 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:09,560 Speaker 1: I think that something changed when we got hit in 195 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:13,520 Speaker 1: the aftermath of COVID and Ukraine and the Brexit impacts, 196 00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:17,040 Speaker 1: which is suddenly political conversation went from this stuff about 197 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:21,080 Speaker 1: culture and identity and tribes and just returned to the 198 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:24,680 Speaker 1: very very elementary question of how much money do you 199 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:27,079 Speaker 1: have in your pocket? And is it less money than 200 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:29,400 Speaker 1: you used to have? And people's answer to that question 201 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:32,520 Speaker 1: is yes, I can afford less things. I'm actually quite 202 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:35,560 Speaker 1: property shrinken here. Energy prices are going through the roof, 203 00:10:35,920 --> 00:10:39,040 Speaker 1: Inflation is very very high. Public services are terrible when 204 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:41,480 Speaker 1: the government doesn't seem to know what it's doing. And 205 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:46,760 Speaker 1: the rationality, the instinctive rationality of self interested economic assessments, 206 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:50,079 Speaker 1: has had quite a polverizing effect on the popularity of 207 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:52,280 Speaker 1: the Conservatives. I mean, you look at them now. They've 208 00:10:52,280 --> 00:10:55,839 Speaker 1: been twenty points behind in the polls for months now, 209 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:58,560 Speaker 1: and it's only been a year since they were riding 210 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:00,520 Speaker 1: high in the polls. People were saying, you label will 211 00:11:00,520 --> 00:11:03,240 Speaker 1: never get empowered, the Conservatives will never be thrown out. 212 00:11:03,280 --> 00:11:06,480 Speaker 1: It looked like they were undefeatable. Was suddenly everything has 213 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:09,280 Speaker 1: switched over. The lies are shown up for the lies 214 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:11,120 Speaker 1: that they are, and they are talked about by the 215 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:13,800 Speaker 1: public as the lies that they are. And it feels 216 00:11:13,880 --> 00:11:17,320 Speaker 1: even though the political system hasn't changed, the government hasn't changed, 217 00:11:17,520 --> 00:11:20,600 Speaker 1: it feels like the public debate has returned to a 218 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:24,800 Speaker 1: place that values reason and empiricism over the delusions of 219 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:29,040 Speaker 1: sort of populoust egomaniacs. And that's because of the royal family. 220 00:11:30,240 --> 00:11:38,640 Speaker 1: Just kidding, I'm going to go to jail. All conversations 221 00:11:38,679 --> 00:11:41,400 Speaker 1: that you and I have are basically just you waiting 222 00:11:41,679 --> 00:11:44,480 Speaker 1: to make me talk about which, as you know, I 223 00:11:44,520 --> 00:11:47,680 Speaker 1: know almost nothing about, but it's the only real topic. 224 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:52,439 Speaker 1: But basically, Andrew is never going to go to jail, right, 225 00:11:52,760 --> 00:11:55,680 Speaker 1: I probably aren't. I I don't imagine that he will. 226 00:11:55,720 --> 00:11:57,319 Speaker 1: That seems quite unlikely to me. I think he will 227 00:11:57,320 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 1: continue to live a life of sort of shame face 228 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:03,880 Speaker 1: east hypocrisy and tucked away like a naughty secret under 229 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:06,280 Speaker 1: a family dining table when you live with that. I mean, 230 00:12:06,400 --> 00:12:07,920 Speaker 1: I don't know. I would like to see him go 231 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:10,240 Speaker 1: to jail, but it seems like none of those people 232 00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:12,559 Speaker 1: are ever going to go to jail. That, I mean, 233 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:16,040 Speaker 1: it's just so unfair that Epstein people talk to me 234 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:20,360 Speaker 1: about sort of greater Europe. What is happening in greater Europe, 235 00:12:20,400 --> 00:12:23,760 Speaker 1: which you guys are no longer a part of. Yes, Well, indeed, 236 00:12:23,840 --> 00:12:28,559 Speaker 1: it's a mixed picture. Really. There's elements that have been 237 00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:31,480 Speaker 1: quite shameful, I think, and that require a sort of 238 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:36,680 Speaker 1: real moment of recognition from I think especially Germany over 239 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:40,560 Speaker 1: the Ukraine War, and Germany, for its own very specific reasons, 240 00:12:40,840 --> 00:12:43,000 Speaker 1: has always had this attitude of like, look, you've got 241 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:45,160 Speaker 1: to deal with Russia. You have to talk with Russia. 242 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:46,800 Speaker 1: You you have to you have to try and make 243 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:50,000 Speaker 1: this relationship work. They sort of defined themselves in opposition 244 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:52,400 Speaker 1: to the Code war mentality that you would have had 245 00:12:52,400 --> 00:12:54,959 Speaker 1: in the US or the UK, and I think really 246 00:12:55,040 --> 00:12:59,120 Speaker 1: this year is when that properly collapsed. You could argue 247 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:01,760 Speaker 1: similarly for for France, which is a bit more subtle 248 00:13:01,760 --> 00:13:03,200 Speaker 1: in the manner in which it's sort of dealt with 249 00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:08,560 Speaker 1: things with Russia. However, when the moment came, Europe behaved firmly, 250 00:13:08,679 --> 00:13:12,080 Speaker 1: and it behaved quickly, like Germany has been sending the 251 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:14,960 Speaker 1: equipment that is needed for Ukraine. There has been an 252 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:18,840 Speaker 1: acceptance of trying to bring Ukraine slowly, admittedly, but into 253 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:20,960 Speaker 1: the EU. There has to be a slow process. They 254 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:23,080 Speaker 1: have no way of doing things quickly, but they're doing 255 00:13:23,080 --> 00:13:25,560 Speaker 1: it with as much conviction as they can. And I 256 00:13:25,559 --> 00:13:28,720 Speaker 1: think to look at the practical consequences of what are 257 00:13:28,760 --> 00:13:32,840 Speaker 1: going on in Europe is quite complicated and not altogether positive. However, 258 00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:37,040 Speaker 1: when you look at what Ukraine wants, which is membership 259 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:40,760 Speaker 1: of the European Union, there is an emotional reminder there 260 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:43,400 Speaker 1: of what Europe is of where it came from, of 261 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:46,080 Speaker 1: you know that from the ashes of the Second World War, 262 00:13:46,520 --> 00:13:48,839 Speaker 1: of you know, countries like France and Germany looking at 263 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:51,640 Speaker 1: each other and going, look, we've done this twice now, 264 00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:54,000 Speaker 1: and if we do this a third time, there's not 265 00:13:54,040 --> 00:13:56,000 Speaker 1: going to be a world left. And so we will 266 00:13:56,080 --> 00:14:00,440 Speaker 1: build something when nations cooperate rather than try to conka 267 00:14:00,520 --> 00:14:02,800 Speaker 1: one another, and we will cooperate on the basis of 268 00:14:02,800 --> 00:14:05,160 Speaker 1: our economy as well as our politics. That dream, which 269 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:09,040 Speaker 1: is a dream of security and pragmatism and Western values, 270 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:12,640 Speaker 1: has sort of been rekindled, like the emotional aspect of 271 00:14:12,640 --> 00:14:16,720 Speaker 1: Europe has been rekindled by Ukraine, even while materially and 272 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:20,200 Speaker 1: politically it served to complicate things. So end of History 273 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:29,480 Speaker 1: part two, yeah, and end of History. I don't know 274 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:31,760 Speaker 1: whether it feels the same there, but but here, you know, 275 00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:34,920 Speaker 1: spending the year just looking at what's going on in Ukraine, 276 00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:38,040 Speaker 1: looking at what the women are doing in Iran, there's 277 00:14:38,040 --> 00:14:41,680 Speaker 1: a reminder there of what the West stands for individual 278 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:45,680 Speaker 1: freedom and democracy and reason in the pursuit of politics. 279 00:14:45,960 --> 00:14:48,400 Speaker 1: And given that both your country and mine have been 280 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:52,360 Speaker 1: acting like the most glittering sort of wet panted fools 281 00:14:52,560 --> 00:14:56,120 Speaker 1: for the last sort of six to eight years. There's 282 00:14:56,160 --> 00:14:57,680 Speaker 1: a reminder of what it is that we're supposed to 283 00:14:57,720 --> 00:15:00,160 Speaker 1: stand for in the other countries around the world, to 284 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:02,920 Speaker 1: emulate the people who are oppressed. I think, yes, well, 285 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:06,360 Speaker 1: I quite like individual freedom for myself as well, that 286 00:15:06,440 --> 00:15:08,680 Speaker 1: we might think maybe we have a responsibility to not 287 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:11,720 Speaker 1: act like sort of national clown cars and start to 288 00:15:11,760 --> 00:15:14,120 Speaker 1: conduct ourselves with a kind of seriousness that the historic 289 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:18,840 Speaker 1: moment deserves. Now I feel like you're being earnest and 290 00:15:18,960 --> 00:15:22,680 Speaker 1: it's very moving, and so I want I almost want 291 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:26,080 Speaker 1: to cut you off now before you say something funny again, 292 00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:28,880 Speaker 1: because the earnestness I have, like I'm having like a 293 00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:33,080 Speaker 1: West Wing moment with you here. Let's let's not get 294 00:15:33,120 --> 00:15:39,120 Speaker 1: carried away unity ticket baby. But yeah, no, so interesting. 295 00:15:39,160 --> 00:15:41,000 Speaker 1: Can you talk to us a little bit about the 296 00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:45,760 Speaker 1: Germany situation, the arrest of the all right, the whatever 297 00:15:45,800 --> 00:15:48,120 Speaker 1: that was? No, this is fascinating. I mean, that's probably 298 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:50,080 Speaker 1: like the most shocking news that I've seen in weeks. 299 00:15:50,280 --> 00:15:52,520 Speaker 1: What's interesting to note about what's going on in Germany 300 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:54,880 Speaker 1: is is the manner in which it operates in the 301 00:15:54,920 --> 00:15:57,520 Speaker 1: same way in each country, but with sort of national 302 00:15:57,520 --> 00:16:00,440 Speaker 1: differences right. So so the far right groups that are 303 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:03,520 Speaker 1: operating in Germany are talking mostly it's sort of vocus 304 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:07,280 Speaker 1: right content. Now that that is actually people might associate 305 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:09,800 Speaker 1: that with, you know, World War two, with Nazism. It's 306 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:13,880 Speaker 1: not that it's the sort of pre Nazi far right 307 00:16:14,120 --> 00:16:17,320 Speaker 1: of Germany, the kind of blood and iron biz Markian 308 00:16:17,520 --> 00:16:20,760 Speaker 1: sort of sense of imperialism, you know, a nation forged 309 00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:23,400 Speaker 1: in the metal of war with France, that kind of 310 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:26,640 Speaker 1: older sense of Germany. But what's noticeable is the way 311 00:16:26,640 --> 00:16:30,240 Speaker 1: that those qualities got mixed up with all this very modern, 312 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:34,640 Speaker 1: very online kind of q and on tinged, pedophile obsessed 313 00:16:34,760 --> 00:16:38,040 Speaker 1: conspiracy theory gibberish. And that tells you something about the 314 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:40,480 Speaker 1: way this stuff operates as it sweeps around the world. 315 00:16:40,520 --> 00:16:41,680 Speaker 1: You know, it's almost like you know, when you go 316 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:44,280 Speaker 1: to different countries and you go to McDonald's and they 317 00:16:44,280 --> 00:16:47,560 Speaker 1: always have like one burger that specifically for that country, 318 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:49,840 Speaker 1: Like you know, in Switzerland it's got like gray cheese 319 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:51,960 Speaker 1: in it, and in India it's got like mango sauce 320 00:16:52,080 --> 00:16:54,480 Speaker 1: or something. Well, that's basically how this kind of far 321 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:57,760 Speaker 1: right thought operates. You know. It's it's typically one thing 322 00:16:57,800 --> 00:16:59,920 Speaker 1: like the Q and on nonsense all around the place, 323 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:04,480 Speaker 1: but with these very localized sort of flavors and distinctions 324 00:17:04,560 --> 00:17:06,760 Speaker 1: that you see, and that's pretty much what we saw 325 00:17:06,800 --> 00:17:09,439 Speaker 1: in Germany with the far right. But it gives you 326 00:17:09,480 --> 00:17:12,399 Speaker 1: that sense that Germany has had and has been for 327 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:16,560 Speaker 1: obvious historical reasons, much more acutely intelligent about I think, 328 00:17:16,840 --> 00:17:20,440 Speaker 1: which is that the real threat to most Western societies 329 00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:23,920 Speaker 1: does not come from radical Islam, and it typically comes 330 00:17:24,320 --> 00:17:28,040 Speaker 1: from the far right, operating among the elites as well 331 00:17:28,080 --> 00:17:30,520 Speaker 1: as on the streets themselves. And it was a good 332 00:17:30,560 --> 00:17:33,400 Speaker 1: reminder of that fundamental truth. Do we think if that's 333 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:36,680 Speaker 1: happening in Germany, that's got to be happening everywhere, right, 334 00:17:37,080 --> 00:17:40,520 Speaker 1: That's probably true. I mean, there are countries that have 335 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:43,760 Speaker 1: proved quite immune to the populist and far right. I 336 00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:45,840 Speaker 1: mean Portugal is one of them, which is interesting given 337 00:17:45,880 --> 00:17:47,880 Speaker 1: that it was you know, sort of right wing conservative 338 00:17:47,920 --> 00:17:52,040 Speaker 1: dictatorship just a few decades ago. But it really doesn't 339 00:17:52,119 --> 00:17:54,120 Speaker 1: have much sort of time for it. But you do 340 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:56,639 Speaker 1: see it elsewhere. You certainly see it in France, you 341 00:17:56,680 --> 00:17:59,439 Speaker 1: do see it in Spain, you see it in the Netherlands. 342 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:01,840 Speaker 1: Across Europe, one of the One of the odd things 343 00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:04,520 Speaker 1: about Europe is it's so it has an image of 344 00:18:04,560 --> 00:18:09,480 Speaker 1: being extremely advanced and sophisticated in its politics, But when 345 00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:11,399 Speaker 1: you travel around there and when you speak to political 346 00:18:11,440 --> 00:18:13,639 Speaker 1: journalists around Europe, don't often say, well, we have a 347 00:18:13,720 --> 00:18:15,720 Speaker 1: kind of a bigger far right problem than you have 348 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:18,199 Speaker 1: in the UK, you know, in terms of people and 349 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:20,639 Speaker 1: in terms of the severity of the discourse. We just 350 00:18:20,800 --> 00:18:24,159 Speaker 1: managed to predominantly freeze it out. But they can't always 351 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:25,440 Speaker 1: freeze it out. I mean, if you look at what's 352 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:28,000 Speaker 1: happening in Italy right now, Italy is being run by 353 00:18:28,040 --> 00:18:32,680 Speaker 1: a woman who you know, comes from fascist lineage. Is 354 00:18:32,800 --> 00:18:36,000 Speaker 1: now probably not quite you wouldn't quite use the word, 355 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:38,720 Speaker 1: but she comes from fascist lineage, and some of the 356 00:18:38,800 --> 00:18:43,040 Speaker 1: rhetoric that she has, particularly around the family, is fascist rhetoric. 357 00:18:43,119 --> 00:18:44,840 Speaker 1: I mean that that that's what it is. It's at 358 00:18:44,840 --> 00:18:47,200 Speaker 1: the very least it's facistic, you know. And then we 359 00:18:47,280 --> 00:18:49,760 Speaker 1: see similar sort of moments across Europe. You see the 360 00:18:49,760 --> 00:18:53,760 Speaker 1: same in Austria and in countries where there's that flutter, 361 00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:57,040 Speaker 1: that opportunity for the far right, it's mostly been quilled, 362 00:18:57,080 --> 00:18:59,119 Speaker 1: it's mostly been stopped. You know. This year it was 363 00:18:59,119 --> 00:19:01,680 Speaker 1: stopped in France, although it came closer than any of 364 00:19:01,760 --> 00:19:04,400 Speaker 1: us would have liked. But but it's there, and it's 365 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:08,480 Speaker 1: there across Europe. This is so interesting. And yeah, the 366 00:19:08,560 --> 00:19:12,200 Speaker 1: Maloney stuff is really scary. Also, I've read and again, 367 00:19:12,280 --> 00:19:14,520 Speaker 1: I mean, do you think it's true that she's sort 368 00:19:14,520 --> 00:19:18,439 Speaker 1: of targeting journalists in Italy? Yes, there's certainly an element 369 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:22,080 Speaker 1: of that. She has now tried to portray herself as 370 00:19:22,119 --> 00:19:24,880 Speaker 1: far more mainstream than she really is, but essentially making 371 00:19:24,880 --> 00:19:27,240 Speaker 1: a sacrifice on the Putin front and on the EU 372 00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:30,560 Speaker 1: from they almost all make that sacrifice depended exactly the 373 00:19:30,600 --> 00:19:33,080 Speaker 1: same thing. Leapin also wants to get out of the EU. 374 00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:36,280 Speaker 1: She also absolutely loves Putin, but she learned quickly enough 375 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:37,920 Speaker 1: that there's two things you have to shut up about 376 00:19:37,960 --> 00:19:39,760 Speaker 1: if you want to win any kind of election in Europe. 377 00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:41,840 Speaker 1: And it's like, shut up about leaving the EU, because 378 00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:44,200 Speaker 1: they've all sat there for the last five years watching 379 00:19:44,200 --> 00:19:47,320 Speaker 1: Britain make an absolute tit of itself and that doesn't 380 00:19:47,359 --> 00:19:51,560 Speaker 1: look like a very good idea, and shut up about 381 00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:54,000 Speaker 1: you know who is now seen obviously as the sort 382 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:56,879 Speaker 1: of the villain in a superhero comic. So on that basis, 383 00:19:56,960 --> 00:19:59,399 Speaker 1: she knows what to be quiet about. But her fundamental 384 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:02,280 Speaker 1: instincts are perfectly plain to see and have been repeated 385 00:20:02,359 --> 00:20:06,480 Speaker 1: through long regular verbal utterances of her values. So I mean, 386 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:08,000 Speaker 1: we know what she's about, we know the kind of 387 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:10,240 Speaker 1: people shell target. And as soon as these guys get in, 388 00:20:10,440 --> 00:20:13,080 Speaker 1: as it was in nineteen thirties, so it is now 389 00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:15,240 Speaker 1: when fascist from those on the far right get in, 390 00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:18,920 Speaker 1: they target minorities, they target journalists, and they use any 391 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:22,360 Speaker 1: ensuring violence as a form of communication strategy to demonstrate 392 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:24,800 Speaker 1: their impotency. So on that basis, yeah, we would look 393 00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:26,560 Speaker 1: with quite a lot of awariness about the way she's 394 00:20:26,560 --> 00:20:30,960 Speaker 1: going to behave over the next four years. Jesus, I 395 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:33,560 Speaker 1: had an uplifting moment before. We could have left it there, 396 00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:38,119 Speaker 1: but now we're down in the deck. Agent. I should 397 00:20:38,119 --> 00:20:42,080 Speaker 1: have let you, but you know, anyway, I'm very grateful 398 00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:44,960 Speaker 1: to have you. That was so interesting and really important 399 00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:47,760 Speaker 1: and also you're just so much fun. Thank you very much, 400 00:20:47,800 --> 00:21:00,920 Speaker 1: Merry Christmas. Representative Promilagia Pa represents Washington seventh can National District. 401 00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:04,600 Speaker 1: Welcome to Fast Politics. Representative job Paul. It is so 402 00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:06,640 Speaker 1: great to be with you. Thanks for having me on 403 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:09,520 Speaker 1: while it's great to have you, and I want to 404 00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:13,080 Speaker 1: talk to you about my favorite sort of saying. You 405 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:17,800 Speaker 1: say you're a Biden convert. I'm sorry, I love it. 406 00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:19,920 Speaker 1: I think a lot of progressives feel that way too. 407 00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:23,320 Speaker 1: Can you talk to us about what that means? Yeah? Absolutely. 408 00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:26,080 Speaker 1: You know, he wasn't my first or my second choice 409 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:29,560 Speaker 1: in the election, but when he got elected, he got 410 00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:35,120 Speaker 1: elected in part through a really intentional effort to engage progressives. 411 00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:38,840 Speaker 1: Before he got elected through the task forces Biden Sanders 412 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:41,320 Speaker 1: task forces, and I led one of those on healthcare. 413 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:44,520 Speaker 1: And then when he got in, I have to say 414 00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:48,320 Speaker 1: that the agenda that he ran on is the agenda 415 00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:52,120 Speaker 1: that he governed on. He put forward really bold ideas, 416 00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:55,080 Speaker 1: he didn't shy away from them. He really did what 417 00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:57,000 Speaker 1: he said he was going to do for the diverse 418 00:21:57,080 --> 00:22:00,480 Speaker 1: coalition that helped elect him. And I think that is 419 00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:05,360 Speaker 1: somebody who also values the people around him. And so 420 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:09,280 Speaker 1: the progressive appointments of people to the White House have 421 00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:11,600 Speaker 1: also been phenomenal. These are people we work with all 422 00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:14,320 Speaker 1: the time. Of course, his chief of staff around claim 423 00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:18,919 Speaker 1: understands that progressives make up half or more of the 424 00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:22,760 Speaker 1: Democratic Caucus, but certainly half of the legislative caucus, and 425 00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:25,639 Speaker 1: so we have just had a really good relationship. Sometimes 426 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:27,800 Speaker 1: we're out in front and pushing for things that they 427 00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:30,560 Speaker 1: can't give us. Sometimes we're right by their side getting 428 00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:32,680 Speaker 1: as much done as we can together, and sometimes we're 429 00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:35,720 Speaker 1: pushing from behind. But the reality is this has been 430 00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:41,520 Speaker 1: the most progressive president and Congress in my history, Molly, 431 00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:45,000 Speaker 1: and so I'm proud to stay I'm a Biden convert. Yeah, Now, 432 00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:47,280 Speaker 1: I think a lot of progressives feel that way, and 433 00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:50,359 Speaker 1: and I mean some of that was putting Bernie Sanders 434 00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:54,200 Speaker 1: on budget right, correct, And I think that the progressive 435 00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:57,200 Speaker 1: movement at large right when you think about the election 436 00:22:57,720 --> 00:23:01,159 Speaker 1: and the fact that we had Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth 437 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:05,760 Speaker 1: Warren as these really strong candidates who were putting forward 438 00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:09,760 Speaker 1: ideas and then very engaged with the Biden administration after 439 00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:13,359 Speaker 1: the election, I think was incredibly helpful. And he was 440 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:17,080 Speaker 1: respectful of this part of the party, which I find 441 00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:20,520 Speaker 1: sometimes hasn't always been the case. But this is a 442 00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:24,600 Speaker 1: really unusual relationship for us as progressives. And the fact 443 00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:27,000 Speaker 1: that we and the Progressive Caucus in the House have 444 00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:32,439 Speaker 1: gotten so organized and leveraged our power has also helped 445 00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:34,920 Speaker 1: They see that and they know that if they need 446 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:37,720 Speaker 1: to get something through, they need us on board. So 447 00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:41,639 Speaker 1: it is both his intention but also his ability to 448 00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:45,240 Speaker 1: see what an important role we play and our power 449 00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:48,320 Speaker 1: that all kind of comes together and makes it work. 450 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:50,600 Speaker 1: I want to talk to you about you sharing your 451 00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:53,960 Speaker 1: story on the floor of the house because for h 452 00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:57,080 Speaker 1: R three six for eight this is an immigration We 453 00:23:57,160 --> 00:24:01,760 Speaker 1: are so sort of mired and immigration. Talk to us. 454 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:04,679 Speaker 1: You waited seventeen years for a green card. Talk to 455 00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:09,280 Speaker 1: our listeners about your own lived experience and the legislation. Yeah. Well, 456 00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:11,320 Speaker 1: I came to the United States when I was sixteen 457 00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:14,479 Speaker 1: years old by myself, and it was because my parents 458 00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:16,639 Speaker 1: really felt like this was the place I would have 459 00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:20,120 Speaker 1: the most opportunity. And my dad had five thousand bucks 460 00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:21,840 Speaker 1: in his bank account and used all of it to 461 00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:24,520 Speaker 1: send me here. And it's been rough because I've never 462 00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:27,719 Speaker 1: been able to bring my parents, so we live on continents. 463 00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:31,119 Speaker 1: We always have. You know, I came on a student visa. 464 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:34,520 Speaker 1: I would I am the only one UM in Congress, 465 00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:36,119 Speaker 1: or at least one of very few. We haven't been 466 00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:39,000 Speaker 1: able to fully determine this, but that has been on 467 00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:42,800 Speaker 1: an H one B visa. And I got it out 468 00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:45,159 Speaker 1: of college because there was no other way for me 469 00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:47,439 Speaker 1: to stay in the country other than to get a 470 00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:50,920 Speaker 1: company to sponsor me for an employment based visa. And 471 00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:53,000 Speaker 1: I spoke a lot of languages and so I was 472 00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:56,040 Speaker 1: able to do it. But the reality is, the way 473 00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:59,560 Speaker 1: the immigration system is put together, it takes a very 474 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:04,600 Speaker 1: long time for people to be able to access immigration 475 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:07,800 Speaker 1: to the United States. It took me seventeen years to 476 00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:11,240 Speaker 1: become a citizen, and that was when waiting times were easier. 477 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:15,480 Speaker 1: But today, if you're from Mexico or you're from India, 478 00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:18,520 Speaker 1: it can take up to two hundred years to be 479 00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:21,880 Speaker 1: able to get your Green card, and so we need 480 00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:23,800 Speaker 1: to change this, and we can change it with the 481 00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:26,119 Speaker 1: Eagle Act. And so I felt it was important to 482 00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:29,240 Speaker 1: bring my own experience to bear because a lot of 483 00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:32,880 Speaker 1: the immigration policies that we have and the anti immigrant 484 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:36,000 Speaker 1: efforts of this country are not known to people. You know, 485 00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:39,680 Speaker 1: people don't realize that it was very recent history when 486 00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:42,840 Speaker 1: Indian nationals were not allowed to become US citizens. It 487 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:46,520 Speaker 1: took a Supreme Court case to change that, and that 488 00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:50,159 Speaker 1: has sort of bled through into our immigration policies as well. 489 00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:53,240 Speaker 1: And so while I hope, Molly, that we could get 490 00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:58,240 Speaker 1: comprehensive humane immigration on reform. The reality is we have 491 00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:02,120 Speaker 1: been pushing any opportunity unity we can to move forward, 492 00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:07,200 Speaker 1: principled compromises, things that don't set other communities back in 493 00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:11,320 Speaker 1: order to set one community forward. But that recognizes that 494 00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:14,960 Speaker 1: immigration in the United States is constructed in these very 495 00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:19,040 Speaker 1: narrow ways, and different communities are only able to access 496 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:22,480 Speaker 1: certain ways of getting into the United States. For Indians, 497 00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:26,000 Speaker 1: that is employment based visas and family based visas. You know, 498 00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:30,959 Speaker 1: for African nations it's the Diversity Visa. For Latinos, you know, 499 00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:34,000 Speaker 1: we know that we need a pathway to citizenship and 500 00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:37,920 Speaker 1: other ways that Latinos, for example, the Farm work or Bill, 501 00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:41,880 Speaker 1: which primarily benefits Latinos, not only So you know, that's 502 00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:43,600 Speaker 1: just the way it's constructed. So I hope we can 503 00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:45,679 Speaker 1: get it done. Yeah, me too. It seems like it 504 00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:47,959 Speaker 1: could get through Congress at least right it could get 505 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:49,760 Speaker 1: through the House right now. But do you think there 506 00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:53,000 Speaker 1: are ten Republicans who would support us. I do there 507 00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:55,760 Speaker 1: is a plan. I think Senator grass Lee is on 508 00:26:55,840 --> 00:27:00,080 Speaker 1: board with this. I think Senator McConnell i believes on 509 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:02,879 Speaker 1: board with this. Is you know, it passed in the 510 00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:07,480 Speaker 1: last Congress, passed with incredible bipartisan votes. Unfortunately, we've had 511 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:11,240 Speaker 1: a lot of Republicans peeling off. But this, the farm 512 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:16,160 Speaker 1: Worker Bill, and hopefully DACA are three areas where I 513 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:20,320 Speaker 1: feel like we could potentially get Republican and Democratic votes 514 00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:22,720 Speaker 1: to pass it. And so if if this were to 515 00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:26,399 Speaker 1: go through, it would be a huge boon for certain communities. 516 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:28,720 Speaker 1: The farm Worker Bill, and again, we have a lot 517 00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:34,760 Speaker 1: of rural areas across America where we need immigrant workers 518 00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:37,600 Speaker 1: to do that labor, and we can't just continue to 519 00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:41,320 Speaker 1: act like we don't and vilify immigrants. And so there 520 00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:43,480 Speaker 1: are a lot of Republicans that are on board because 521 00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:45,800 Speaker 1: they know it to be true. Yeah, I mean we 522 00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:50,119 Speaker 1: have no solution now, So I mean, there's nothing right exactly. 523 00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:53,080 Speaker 1: And that's the frustrating thing is that, you know, Molly, 524 00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:55,560 Speaker 1: I was an activist for twenty years before coming into 525 00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:58,520 Speaker 1: Congress for immigrant rights. So this is an issue I've 526 00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:00,440 Speaker 1: worked on for a very long time to have lived 527 00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:04,160 Speaker 1: experience with. And the thing is that in we had 528 00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:08,119 Speaker 1: sixty seven bipartisan votes in the Senate. In the US 529 00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:11,880 Speaker 1: Senate for comprehensive humane immigration reform. There were some bad 530 00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:14,720 Speaker 1: things in that bill, but we held our noses and said, listen, 531 00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:16,560 Speaker 1: we need to get this done. Let's do it. It It 532 00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:19,159 Speaker 1: would have been a path to citizenship and redoing the 533 00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:22,240 Speaker 1: family immigration system and so many other things. But John 534 00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:24,639 Speaker 1: Bayner wouldn't bring it up for a vote in the 535 00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:28,160 Speaker 1: House because he knew it would pass, and Republicans wanted 536 00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:31,240 Speaker 1: to continue to keep it out there as something to 537 00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:36,360 Speaker 1: vilify and divide people across them, and that is their 538 00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:40,480 Speaker 1: number one playbook right there there. They just continue to 539 00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:44,160 Speaker 1: vilify immigrants when the reality is that the country would 540 00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:48,000 Speaker 1: shut down without the labor and the contributions of immigrant 541 00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:52,280 Speaker 1: workers and immigrant families. And it's very discouraging. But I'm 542 00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:55,000 Speaker 1: hoping that we can get a couple of these pieces done, 543 00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:57,640 Speaker 1: which would be significant progress, and then we just keep 544 00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:00,320 Speaker 1: working to get the whole thing done. Yeah. No, and true. 545 00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:03,520 Speaker 1: And you can't complain about a tight labor market and 546 00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:06,240 Speaker 1: then say you don't want to have any immigrants. I 547 00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:11,000 Speaker 1: mean exactly. One of the things you've been very vocal 548 00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:14,040 Speaker 1: on is that Biden should run again. I think this 549 00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:17,280 Speaker 1: is like a no brainer. But I'm glad you've been 550 00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:20,440 Speaker 1: saying this and I'm curious what you're thinking here. Well, 551 00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:24,480 Speaker 1: my thinking is you reward a president who has gotten 552 00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:28,240 Speaker 1: the most progressive legislation past in the history of our 553 00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:31,640 Speaker 1: recent history of our country with another term. So I 554 00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:34,040 Speaker 1: think that's the first thing. The second thing is I 555 00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:36,840 Speaker 1: still believe that this is a very dangerous time in 556 00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:41,440 Speaker 1: our country, and it is difficult to build the coalition 557 00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:45,400 Speaker 1: that you need to win. And we still have Republicans 558 00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:49,800 Speaker 1: who are insistent on denying that Biden is the legitimate president, 559 00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:52,800 Speaker 1: you know, and are still following Trump off the deep end. 560 00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:56,560 Speaker 1: And I do think that Joe Biden is somebody who 561 00:29:56,640 --> 00:30:00,320 Speaker 1: can still pull together that very diverse coalition that brought 562 00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:03,680 Speaker 1: him into office in he has a great record to 563 00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:06,400 Speaker 1: run on. We as Democrats, have a great record to 564 00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:09,040 Speaker 1: run on, and I think we just need to continue 565 00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:12,360 Speaker 1: to support him. I believe he's going to run, and 566 00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:15,040 Speaker 1: I think that we need to get out there in 567 00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:18,120 Speaker 1: the next two years and talk about all the work 568 00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:20,560 Speaker 1: that we have been able to accomplish, to move people 569 00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:23,880 Speaker 1: forward so that their lives look different every morning, you know, 570 00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:27,000 Speaker 1: and then show them the path to a fifty two 571 00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:31,480 Speaker 1: plus Senate and taking back the House and keeping the 572 00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:33,760 Speaker 1: White House that allows us to do the things like 573 00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:38,240 Speaker 1: codifying voting rights, codifying abortion rights, getting universal childcare and 574 00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:41,600 Speaker 1: pre K. We were so close, Molly to getting that 575 00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:45,160 Speaker 1: done in build back better, and I want to see 576 00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:48,440 Speaker 1: the President finished the rest of his agenda. We all do, 577 00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:51,440 Speaker 1: because it's the agenda that makes people feel like they 578 00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:55,800 Speaker 1: can not to survive, but thrive. That was really heartbreaking. 579 00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:58,680 Speaker 1: I have to say, to get so close and then 580 00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:02,880 Speaker 1: to have that agenda foiled, it must have been really 581 00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:05,240 Speaker 1: hard for you too. It was very tough, and I 582 00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:08,000 Speaker 1: kept saying to people, you know, this is not I 583 00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:10,120 Speaker 1: was very careful the whole time to call it the 584 00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:13,400 Speaker 1: President's agenda because it was the president's agenda. It also 585 00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:16,600 Speaker 1: happened to be a very progressive agenda. But we had 586 00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:22,239 Speaker 1: nent of Democrats on board, and we just needed a 587 00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:25,440 Speaker 1: couple more. We weren't able to get that, and so 588 00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:28,560 Speaker 1: that's why we need to build a fifty two Senate 589 00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:30,880 Speaker 1: so that we can make sure we get that done. 590 00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:35,160 Speaker 1: The Child tax Credit, that is a progressive legislation that 591 00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:37,800 Speaker 1: was only around for a little while, but it worked 592 00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:40,920 Speaker 1: really really wow. Will you talk a little more about it? 593 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:43,440 Speaker 1: And then it was allowed to expire. It was a 594 00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:46,760 Speaker 1: huge priority of ours in the progressive pis Rosa Deloro 595 00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:51,000 Speaker 1: has been the champion of it um along with many others, 596 00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:57,800 Speaker 1: and it showed us that poverty and hunger are actually 597 00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:02,640 Speaker 1: policy choices, bad policy choices, but they are policy choices. 598 00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:05,240 Speaker 1: They do not have to be as they are. And 599 00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:07,800 Speaker 1: the child tax Credit was the perfect validation of that. 600 00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:11,880 Speaker 1: By giving people a child tax credit, we cut hunger 601 00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:16,920 Speaker 1: in America by we cut child poverty by And so 602 00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:19,920 Speaker 1: you know, for everybody who says, well, give us policies 603 00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:22,800 Speaker 1: that work, we want things that work. We have shown 604 00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:26,680 Speaker 1: that the child tax credit works. And it is much cheaper, 605 00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:30,880 Speaker 1: by the way to help people in this way and 606 00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:33,840 Speaker 1: than it is to do all the other things that 607 00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:37,200 Speaker 1: we try to do that lift people up out of poverty. 608 00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:41,840 Speaker 1: And so this is both smart fiscally, it is absolutely 609 00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:47,480 Speaker 1: morally imperative, and it works. And so the Republicans, of course, 610 00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:51,760 Speaker 1: not a single vote for the American Rescue Plan from Republicans, 611 00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:53,760 Speaker 1: even though they tried to take credit for it. Later 612 00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:56,960 Speaker 1: we knew we couldn't count on the Republicans, and unfortunately 613 00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:00,760 Speaker 1: we had to pass it through reconciliation, and we couldn't 614 00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:06,320 Speaker 1: get all fifty Democrats to agree, and so Center Mansion 615 00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:09,520 Speaker 1: did not want to continue with the child tax credit, 616 00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:13,200 Speaker 1: and Republicans refused to go along with it, and so 617 00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:17,440 Speaker 1: it expired. But it is absolutely something that we need 618 00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:19,800 Speaker 1: to continue, and we're working very hard to see how 619 00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:22,240 Speaker 1: we can do that. It seems like such a no brightener. 620 00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:25,440 Speaker 1: One of the false equivalency is that the straight journalists 621 00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:29,120 Speaker 1: like to make is that the progressives are the same 622 00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:32,720 Speaker 1: as the Freedom Paucus or as the far right. Both 623 00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:35,880 Speaker 1: sides have gone too far. Can you explain to our 624 00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:39,400 Speaker 1: listeners why this is really silly at best, silly at 625 00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:43,400 Speaker 1: worst insulting. Yes, it is silly and offensive, and I'll 626 00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:47,520 Speaker 1: tell you exactly why. The Republicans and the Freedom Caucus 627 00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:52,520 Speaker 1: are the party that are supporting insurrectionists who attacked the 628 00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:54,920 Speaker 1: United States capital and the worst assault on the US 629 00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:57,920 Speaker 1: capital since the War of eighteen twelve. They are supporting 630 00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:01,640 Speaker 1: people who are anti Smit addict. They are supporting people 631 00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:05,200 Speaker 1: who are election deniers, who do not believe that Joe 632 00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:09,399 Speaker 1: Biden is a legitimate president, who want to undermine the Constitution, 633 00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:15,799 Speaker 1: and to then equate that with progressives who want universal 634 00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:20,239 Speaker 1: healthcare want universal childcare, want families to be able to 635 00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:25,880 Speaker 1: have good wage jobs and benefits. Is absolutely ludicrous. You know. 636 00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:29,080 Speaker 1: I was in Germany recently and a couple of months ago, 637 00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:31,160 Speaker 1: and one of the leaders of a major party They're 638 00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:34,600 Speaker 1: said to me, you know, Bernie Sanders and Progressives would 639 00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:38,720 Speaker 1: be considered moderates in Europe because we have all those things, 640 00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:42,040 Speaker 1: and I think that's really important. The Freedom Caucus is 641 00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:44,560 Speaker 1: the party of No. Progressives are the party of yes. 642 00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:48,120 Speaker 1: We are trying to push as hard as we can 643 00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:51,560 Speaker 1: to make sure that working people, poor people, folks of color, 644 00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:54,960 Speaker 1: people who live in rural areas who haven't been given 645 00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:58,520 Speaker 1: the opportunities that sometimes we have in urban areas, that 646 00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:00,879 Speaker 1: all of these folks are left it up, and that 647 00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:04,400 Speaker 1: tomorrow is a brighter day for the next generation. That 648 00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:07,560 Speaker 1: is absolutely not what the Freedom Caucus is about. So 649 00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:11,120 Speaker 1: I always find that comparison ridiculous, and I'm really proud 650 00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:14,120 Speaker 1: that in this last Congress we may have even brought 651 00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:18,439 Speaker 1: a lot of Democrats over to realizing that Progressives are 652 00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:23,279 Speaker 1: absolutely about pushing forward progress as much as we can, 653 00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:25,360 Speaker 1: but we also know how to govern Molly, we know 654 00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:28,359 Speaker 1: how to land them, and we are inspiring a lot 655 00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:31,640 Speaker 1: of people across the country to know that we will 656 00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:34,160 Speaker 1: stand up and fight for them. Progressives have been really 657 00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:38,000 Speaker 1: organized and there hasn't been drama. Speaking of which there's 658 00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:41,120 Speaker 1: been a lot of drama on the Republican side. Today 659 00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:46,200 Speaker 1: they are wearing buttons that say, okay for only Kevin. 660 00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:50,439 Speaker 1: Is there a West wing unity candidate we're all I mean? 661 00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:53,560 Speaker 1: Or is that just fantasy? No, there's not gonna be 662 00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:57,120 Speaker 1: a unity cundidate in that we're not gonna have a 663 00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:59,440 Speaker 1: Republican The Democrats bothore. I don't know if that was 664 00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:01,840 Speaker 1: what you were at them, but yes, yes, that's not 665 00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:05,360 Speaker 1: going to happen. But listen, it's quite delicious to watch 666 00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:11,480 Speaker 1: because because so many people kept talking about Democrats and disarray, well, 667 00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:15,520 Speaker 1: here it is Republicans and Bruin Molly. They do not 668 00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:20,200 Speaker 1: have the advantage of a speaker like we had um 669 00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:23,359 Speaker 1: speaker Pelosi, who really knew how to manage a very 670 00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:28,200 Speaker 1: diverse caucus. They are in a situation where Kevin McCarthy 671 00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:32,560 Speaker 1: is allowing himself to be led by Marginali Marjorie Taylor Green, 672 00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:35,600 Speaker 1: somebody who this weekend said that if she had been 673 00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:38,400 Speaker 1: in charge of the insurrection. They would have been armed 674 00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:41,200 Speaker 1: and they would have won. I just cannot even believe 675 00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:45,040 Speaker 1: that he's promised her a gavel on the Oversight Committee. 676 00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:48,760 Speaker 1: And that is the Republican Party today, that's the brand 677 00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:52,920 Speaker 1: of the Republican Party. So he has shown us exactly 678 00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:56,640 Speaker 1: where he's going, and I think it will paint a 679 00:36:56,760 --> 00:37:01,680 Speaker 1: very sharp contrast with Democrats who created ten million new jobs, 680 00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:04,759 Speaker 1: who cut hunger and child poverty, who are making things 681 00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:08,880 Speaker 1: in America again, who are really fighting for working people. 682 00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:11,200 Speaker 1: Because at the end of the day, Molly, we're the 683 00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:15,200 Speaker 1: party Democrats are the party of freedom, family, and faith. 684 00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:18,359 Speaker 1: Freedom for the right to vote, freedom for the right 685 00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:21,880 Speaker 1: to make choices about our own bodies, freedom for economic security. 686 00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:25,440 Speaker 1: Family because we want to keep families together. We believe 687 00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:29,040 Speaker 1: in all kinds of families, and we support families having 688 00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:31,719 Speaker 1: the tools they need like childcare and free k and 689 00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:36,239 Speaker 1: all the other things. And faith because we have abiding 690 00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:40,359 Speaker 1: faith in our Constitution, in our democracy, and we are 691 00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:42,560 Speaker 1: going to stand up for it. Thank you, thank you, 692 00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:45,560 Speaker 1: thank you. I hope you'll come back anytime, Molly, and 693 00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:49,080 Speaker 1: thank you for all you do. I know you, our 694 00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:52,360 Speaker 1: dear listeners are very busy, and you don't have time 695 00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:55,280 Speaker 1: to sort through the hundreds of pieces of punnentry each week, 696 00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:59,239 Speaker 1: and this is why every week I put together a 697 00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:03,000 Speaker 1: newsletter of my five favorite articles on politics. If you 698 00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:05,759 Speaker 1: enjoy the podcast, you will love having this in your 699 00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:09,919 Speaker 1: inbox every Friday. So sign up at Fast Politics pod 700 00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:13,320 Speaker 1: dot com and click the tab to join our mailing list. 701 00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:21,920 Speaker 1: That's Fast politics pod dot com. Gina Raymondo is the 702 00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:27,200 Speaker 1: United States Secretary of Commerce. Welcome to Fast Politics, Gina Romando. 703 00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:30,719 Speaker 1: Thank you for having me. Good morning, very excited. So 704 00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:33,359 Speaker 1: Rhode Island is like one of the places in my 705 00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:35,400 Speaker 1: life and I want to talk to you about You 706 00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:38,920 Speaker 1: have a very interesting path to Commerce Secretary. Will you 707 00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:42,320 Speaker 1: talk to us first about the story of your father 708 00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:45,520 Speaker 1: and the watches? Yeah, definitely, which is why I took 709 00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:48,840 Speaker 1: this job in large part because you know Rhode Island. 710 00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:50,840 Speaker 1: You said you love Rhode Island. I of course love 711 00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:53,040 Speaker 1: RhoD Island. You know, when I was a kid in 712 00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:58,319 Speaker 1: Rhode Island in seventies and eighties, manufacturing, jewelry manufacturing was 713 00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:02,520 Speaker 1: a huge part of our state's economy. Every seemed like 714 00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:07,840 Speaker 1: all my friends dad's worked somewhere in a jewlry manufacturing company, 715 00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:11,239 Speaker 1: and my dad worked at the Bolvard Watch Company. They 716 00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:14,759 Speaker 1: had over a thousand workers in that factory in Providence 717 00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:17,120 Speaker 1: at the time. In it's ay day, and you know, 718 00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:19,360 Speaker 1: he'd get his car pool in the morning with his 719 00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:23,560 Speaker 1: brown bag lunch and everyone in the car had a 720 00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:27,440 Speaker 1: job at the factory. Now he was he was a metallurgist. 721 00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:30,680 Speaker 1: Somebody just felt really secure when I was a kid, 722 00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:33,600 Speaker 1: you know, like one of his friends was a security guard, 723 00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:36,799 Speaker 1: another guy was a custodian. Hr like it worked for 724 00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:41,960 Speaker 1: everyone's family. And then we watched the whole thing be dismantled, 725 00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:44,440 Speaker 1: and it was really hard, you know. I remember he 726 00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:46,640 Speaker 1: would come home and tell my mom they have a 727 00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:50,800 Speaker 1: plan to dismantle this slowly and send all the jobs 728 00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:52,839 Speaker 1: to China. And he was right. You know. It went 729 00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:55,759 Speaker 1: from a thousand to seven hundred to five hundred to 730 00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:58,520 Speaker 1: two hundred, and eventually him and all of his buddies 731 00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:02,880 Speaker 1: lost their job and he was fifty six, had only 732 00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:06,319 Speaker 1: worked there, you know, his whole career. I was in 733 00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:09,319 Speaker 1: sixth grade, my brother and sister in college, and it 734 00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:13,719 Speaker 1: was just this like horrible pit in your stomach feeling 735 00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:16,719 Speaker 1: every day because we didn't know what we were gonna do, 736 00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:21,400 Speaker 1: and it was happening to everyone. Now. Suddenly the car pool, 737 00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:25,520 Speaker 1: which seemed secure, was really insecure for everybody. And so 738 00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:28,920 Speaker 1: that was a just like a really important part of 739 00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:31,799 Speaker 1: who I am. And as governor, I spent all of 740 00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:35,360 Speaker 1: my time trying to create good jobs in Rhode Island, 741 00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:39,840 Speaker 1: including manufacturing jobs. And when the President called me instead, 742 00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:42,360 Speaker 1: I want you to come work with me and rebuild 743 00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:47,240 Speaker 1: American manufacturing. That was about halfway through your second term, right, yeah, 744 00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:49,719 Speaker 1: it was exactly halfways from my second term. I had 745 00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:53,000 Speaker 1: been re elected in two thousand eighteen, and I was 746 00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:55,560 Speaker 1: talking to him just around this time two years ago. 747 00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:58,160 Speaker 1: Actually it was around Christmas time. I was a little 748 00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:01,000 Speaker 1: reluctant because I was a sitting up and are during COVID. 749 00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:05,480 Speaker 1: But he said, like, let's that's rebuild manufacturing. Let's make 750 00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:08,120 Speaker 1: things in America and create jobs for everyone. And I 751 00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:10,000 Speaker 1: remember I called my brother and I was like, Tom, 752 00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:11,799 Speaker 1: what do you think And they said Dad would be 753 00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:14,880 Speaker 1: so proud if you could be part of bringing back manufacturing. 754 00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:17,799 Speaker 1: So for me, I believe in it, but you know 755 00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:22,600 Speaker 1: I lived it. Bringing back manufacturing in America is more 756 00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:26,560 Speaker 1: complicated than it sounds. I mean it sounds pretty complicated, 757 00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:29,879 Speaker 1: and it involves the Cold War with China. Can you 758 00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:34,200 Speaker 1: you explain to us what that means for semiconductors and 759 00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:37,239 Speaker 1: for more manufacturing in general. Yeah, I mean, I don't 760 00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:39,919 Speaker 1: I don't know if I would agree with Cold War 761 00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:44,360 Speaker 1: with China, right, I mean's a bitter China has really 762 00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:47,000 Speaker 1: took over a lot of manufacturing and pulling it back 763 00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:51,160 Speaker 1: is a very complicated order, big time. No, you're exactly right, Molly, 764 00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:55,640 Speaker 1: absolutely so that we in the United States, we were 765 00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:59,239 Speaker 1: just searching for cheaper and cheaper labor, you know, for 766 00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:03,360 Speaker 1: increased profits and more efficiency, and so we were for 767 00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:09,200 Speaker 1: decades obsessed with efficiency and lower labor costs and just 768 00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:14,879 Speaker 1: pushed everything to China. Now there's a incredibly sophisticated manufacturing 769 00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:19,399 Speaker 1: infrastructure in China, especially for electronics. But the problem is, 770 00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:22,480 Speaker 1: we woke up one day and COVID was a huge 771 00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:25,840 Speaker 1: wake up call where we realize there's more things to 772 00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:30,560 Speaker 1: care about than just efficiency, profits and the labor costs. 773 00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:35,719 Speaker 1: Because when you're as dependent on Asia as we've become 774 00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:39,400 Speaker 1: for all of your manufacturing, when you need things like 775 00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:45,520 Speaker 1: ventilators or ppe or pharmaceutical inputs or semiconductors, and you 776 00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:48,000 Speaker 1: don't make enough in America, or in some cases you 777 00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:51,440 Speaker 1: don't make any in America, you're in trouble. So you know, 778 00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:55,160 Speaker 1: we're not saying everything should be made in America. That 779 00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:58,240 Speaker 1: isn't what we want. That doesn't make sense. But enough 780 00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:02,960 Speaker 1: of our most importan and goods like semiconductors which you mentioned, 781 00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:05,759 Speaker 1: um have to be made in America so we can 782 00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:08,600 Speaker 1: control our destiny. And oh, by the way, create good jobs. 783 00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:13,120 Speaker 1: So how do you bring back manufacturing to America? What 784 00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:16,160 Speaker 1: are the tools? Yeah, like you said, this is easier 785 00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:19,280 Speaker 1: said than done. There has to be a workforce component. 786 00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:21,920 Speaker 1: So I told you about Rhode Island. My dad used 787 00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:25,200 Speaker 1: to work days at the watch factory, come home, eat dinner, 788 00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:27,920 Speaker 1: and go out at night and teach school at a 789 00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:30,759 Speaker 1: place called the Jewelry Institute in Rhode Island, which was 790 00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:35,279 Speaker 1: basically a vocational training school for people who wanted to 791 00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:40,560 Speaker 1: go into the trade of watchmaking and and metallurgy. All 792 00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:43,600 Speaker 1: that is of course gone, so we have to And 793 00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:46,399 Speaker 1: that's just one tiny example, but the same is true 794 00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:52,920 Speaker 1: for tooling and designing and all kinds of skills that 795 00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:56,000 Speaker 1: we've lost in America that we have to retrain people 796 00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:59,960 Speaker 1: so they can work in higaming factory facilities. So there's 797 00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:03,279 Speaker 1: huge workforce component that has to happen. The reality is 798 00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:07,280 Speaker 1: there has to be some amount of government subsidy because 799 00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:12,160 Speaker 1: it's incredibly expensive or not incredibly expensive. It's more expensive 800 00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:15,720 Speaker 1: to build a big manufacturing operation in the United States 801 00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:19,160 Speaker 1: than in China Taiwan. So that's you know, that's what 802 00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:22,160 Speaker 1: the Chips Act does. It's kind of you know, modern 803 00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:27,840 Speaker 1: day industrial strategy. It's thirty percent more expensive to build 804 00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:31,160 Speaker 1: a manufacturing facility in the US versus Taiwan. So we're 805 00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:34,120 Speaker 1: going to have to work with companies to provide that subsidy. 806 00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:37,400 Speaker 1: And then it's the whole supply chain. So for example, 807 00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:39,560 Speaker 1: the President, I was with the President last week in 808 00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:47,360 Speaker 1: Arizona and opening a new, huge, fantastic semiconductor manufacturing facility. 809 00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:51,120 Speaker 1: But to make that successful, they need the suppliers here, 810 00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:53,600 Speaker 1: which they have in Taiwan, which they have in China. 811 00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:58,279 Speaker 1: You know, the chemical companys and the circuit board companies 812 00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:01,160 Speaker 1: and you know all the suppliers. So this is a 813 00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:04,440 Speaker 1: kind of a moon shot, sort of a goal. Um, 814 00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:06,800 Speaker 1: but if we get it right, and I think we will, 815 00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:11,000 Speaker 1: it'll just pay dividends unbelievably over the next decade for America. 816 00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:14,400 Speaker 1: For example, like when you think about the states, the 817 00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:18,080 Speaker 1: rust belt states where they lost all this manufacturing, people 818 00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:20,719 Speaker 1: didn't have jobs, who had an opioid crisis, like this 819 00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:25,520 Speaker 1: could sort of reverse that social problem. Right, That's exactly right. 820 00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:28,320 Speaker 1: And I did a lot of work with the recovery 821 00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:32,520 Speaker 1: community in Rhode Island and with the opioid crisis that 822 00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:34,160 Speaker 1: we were the first state in the country to have 823 00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:37,680 Speaker 1: medical assisted treatment in the prison system. And when I 824 00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:40,839 Speaker 1: would talk to my friends and leaders in the community 825 00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:45,120 Speaker 1: who were recovery experts, they would say, the opposite of 826 00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:50,200 Speaker 1: addiction isn't sobriety. The opposite of addiction is connectedness. You 827 00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:56,520 Speaker 1: need connectivity and a job is is critical arguably the 828 00:45:56,560 --> 00:45:59,840 Speaker 1: most important you know, the most important thing to keeping 829 00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:03,160 Speaker 1: when in recovery is a job. You know, a community, 830 00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:05,520 Speaker 1: a sense of purpose, a place to go, a paycheck 831 00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:10,080 Speaker 1: so you're not homeless, you know, healthcare. So I think 832 00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:15,360 Speaker 1: you're right. And when if we talk about economic security, 833 00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:19,080 Speaker 1: and I think even national security, it starts at home. 834 00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:22,960 Speaker 1: You talked about China with China starts at home. It's 835 00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:26,200 Speaker 1: not just having technology here. It's having a strong America 836 00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:30,840 Speaker 1: that's healthy and working and connected. Are there vocational colleges 837 00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:34,719 Speaker 1: that are a part of this, Yes, definitely absolutely. Community 838 00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:37,640 Speaker 1: colleges will play a huge role. Even high school as well. 839 00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:39,880 Speaker 1: You know, there's a lot of career and technical education 840 00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:44,600 Speaker 1: that could be done in high schools in partnership with companies. Um, 841 00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:46,440 Speaker 1: we've got to get kids right on, you know, right 842 00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:49,879 Speaker 1: on this path. When I again dating myself, when I 843 00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:53,120 Speaker 1: was in high school, there was like a shop program 844 00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:55,560 Speaker 1: for the boys and maybe the girls had home back. 845 00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:58,600 Speaker 1: So that's not what we want to do, but maybe 846 00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:04,239 Speaker 1: you know, but the concept of attracting sixteen seventeen year 847 00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:07,200 Speaker 1: olds to a job and teaching them the skills in 848 00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:10,160 Speaker 1: high schools, that's where we need to go. You know, 849 00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:14,200 Speaker 1: they could be doing um process engineering or being technicians 850 00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:17,920 Speaker 1: in high school, going to school and then going to 851 00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:22,760 Speaker 1: Intel or coding or is this thousand? There's very many jobs. 852 00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:25,360 Speaker 1: You know, you go to school and then after school 853 00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:27,920 Speaker 1: go to Intel for your internship, or go to school 854 00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:31,239 Speaker 1: and after school go to you know, a manufacturer to 855 00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:34,040 Speaker 1: try out your skills. And by the way, it keeps 856 00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:36,200 Speaker 1: kids in school, you know, I see it with my 857 00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:41,440 Speaker 1: own kids. If you're learning calculus for a purpose, like 858 00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:43,680 Speaker 1: you learn calculus in school and then go to a 859 00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:46,839 Speaker 1: job and apply what you've learned, that's so much more 860 00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:50,000 Speaker 1: interesting and more motivated. One of the things that I 861 00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:52,920 Speaker 1: saw when you were a governor was that because you 862 00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:55,200 Speaker 1: had such a small state, you were able to deal 863 00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:57,840 Speaker 1: with things that larger states weren't able to. You know, 864 00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:00,040 Speaker 1: you were sort of head on with a bund to 865 00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:04,320 Speaker 1: different things. What did you find from your experience governing 866 00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:08,279 Speaker 1: that is useful now? Oh, so so many things. By 867 00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:11,120 Speaker 1: the way, I always thought that whatever you can do 868 00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:12,920 Speaker 1: in a small place, you can do in a big place. 869 00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:15,680 Speaker 1: And I still think that. And actually that's all the 870 00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:18,480 Speaker 1: skills I learned and what I worked on as governor, 871 00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:22,560 Speaker 1: I'm applying here in a much much bigger platform. So 872 00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:27,840 Speaker 1: you know, it's about building coalitions of support, bipartisan coalitions 873 00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:32,560 Speaker 1: of support, broad coalitions. You know, business and labor and 874 00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:37,160 Speaker 1: community groups. Gotta gotta get buy in from everybody. But 875 00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:40,239 Speaker 1: it's just also you know, as a leader, I just 876 00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:43,520 Speaker 1: try to set the vision and be clear about it, 877 00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:47,040 Speaker 1: let everybody know why it matters. And we talk about 878 00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:51,480 Speaker 1: supply chains or national security or semi conductors. It would 879 00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:54,320 Speaker 1: be very easy for people's eyes to glaze over talking 880 00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:58,760 Speaker 1: about semiconductors. But when you explain to people the reason 881 00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:00,839 Speaker 1: you had to wait a year are to buy your 882 00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:05,120 Speaker 1: dishwasher or refrigerator during COVID, or a car, or your 883 00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:09,080 Speaker 1: car was so expensive because we didn't have semiconductors, people 884 00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:11,719 Speaker 1: care about it. So I think it's a whole combination 885 00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:16,960 Speaker 1: of effective communication, making it relevant and just getting buy in. 886 00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:19,279 Speaker 1: You know, I gotta work with people to get things done. 887 00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:25,400 Speaker 1: It is also anti inflationary, big time. Absolutely. A year ago, thankfully, 888 00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:29,239 Speaker 1: inflation seems to there's some hopeful signs that what the 889 00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:32,000 Speaker 1: FET is doing is bringing down inflation. But you know, 890 00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:35,880 Speaker 1: a year or so ago, a third of inflation was 891 00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:39,719 Speaker 1: being driven by car prices. The reason car prices were 892 00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:44,560 Speaker 1: so high lack of semiconductors. I remember again, like last summer, 893 00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:48,480 Speaker 1: I would talk to the people who run Ford and GM, 894 00:49:48,560 --> 00:49:53,120 Speaker 1: and they would have thousands of vehicles basically assembled, but 895 00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:56,879 Speaker 1: they couldn't finish making them simply because they couldn't get 896 00:49:56,880 --> 00:50:00,839 Speaker 1: their hands on one or two or five any conductors. 897 00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:04,520 Speaker 1: It's crazy. So there was no supply, so prices went 898 00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:07,560 Speaker 1: up Katherine Rampal, who I'm a big fan of, wrote 899 00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:11,640 Speaker 1: a very smart piece and she talked about how you 900 00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:15,279 Speaker 1: take a lot of flak from both the right and 901 00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:18,719 Speaker 1: the left, but that you have really worked hard on 902 00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:22,440 Speaker 1: talking to businesses and like figuring out what it is 903 00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:25,440 Speaker 1: they need. I mean, is that your job is to 904 00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:27,520 Speaker 1: sort of figure out how you can get them on 905 00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:32,680 Speaker 1: board with the climate agenda and the manufacturing agenda. I mean, 906 00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:34,839 Speaker 1: is that do you think of that as as part 907 00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:36,879 Speaker 1: of your job? I don't know. I mean I talked 908 00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:40,120 Speaker 1: everybody today, I'm hosting a big meeting with labor leaders. 909 00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:43,120 Speaker 1: I don't know. My job and the way I get 910 00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:49,000 Speaker 1: things done is talked to all people affected by the 911 00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:53,120 Speaker 1: policies we're working on, touch base with them, learn from them, 912 00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:56,440 Speaker 1: and then try to find a solution. So I think 913 00:50:56,440 --> 00:50:59,319 Speaker 1: it's a bad We're in a bad place if you 914 00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:03,480 Speaker 1: get criticised guys just for talking to anyone, you know, 915 00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:06,400 Speaker 1: I think that's a really bad place, and I'm going 916 00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:08,480 Speaker 1: to resist that as long as I'm in public life. 917 00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:11,360 Speaker 1: You don't agree with everyone you talk to, but shame 918 00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:13,000 Speaker 1: on you if you're not willing to have the meaning 919 00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:15,440 Speaker 1: listen and learn right and also, I mean you have 920 00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:18,360 Speaker 1: to meet with commerce leaders. You're the secondary of commerce, 921 00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:21,960 Speaker 1: I mean exact job exactly. You were a VC before 922 00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:24,839 Speaker 1: you're governor. How does that inform I'd like to think 923 00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:27,640 Speaker 1: I'm a little more entrepreneurial because of that. I think 924 00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:30,759 Speaker 1: I try to keep a fast pace because of that. 925 00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:34,840 Speaker 1: And I've learned since being in Washington. I definitely just 926 00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:38,680 Speaker 1: have a different perspective having come out of you know, 927 00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:41,239 Speaker 1: not having been in Washington for very long. You just 928 00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:45,560 Speaker 1: yes different questions. So all of that has been helpful. 929 00:51:46,239 --> 00:51:49,040 Speaker 1: But I also have just such an admiration for the 930 00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:53,640 Speaker 1: American entrepreneur, American small business. Like I lived with so 931 00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:56,600 Speaker 1: many entrepreneurs who you know, they would sit down at 932 00:51:56,680 --> 00:51:59,279 Speaker 1: night with their spouse and decide, Okay, I'm going to 933 00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:01,120 Speaker 1: write a check to my mortgage, I'm gonna write to 934 00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:03,399 Speaker 1: check to my grocery bills, and I'm going to write 935 00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:07,160 Speaker 1: to check into the company. And you gotta admire that, 936 00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:09,800 Speaker 1: Like that's what makes America great in so many ways. 937 00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:12,520 Speaker 1: And so I'm just hold that with me when I 938 00:52:12,520 --> 00:52:15,040 Speaker 1: do this job. And that's why we talked about making it, 939 00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:18,680 Speaker 1: you know, America competitive. It's it's for all those people 940 00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:21,800 Speaker 1: who take the risk and go out on a limb 941 00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:25,520 Speaker 1: and innovate and start a business, and we gotta we've 942 00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:28,040 Speaker 1: got to be there for them, because that's that's the 943 00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:33,800 Speaker 1: envy of the world. American entrepreneurship, innovation, ability, and willingness 944 00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:36,279 Speaker 1: to risk take that's the envy of the world. And 945 00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:38,520 Speaker 1: we gotta keep it going on. Thank you, thank you, 946 00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:42,040 Speaker 1: thank you. Secretary. All right, have a good day. By 947 00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:50,000 Speaker 1: Molly John Fast Jesse Cannon. I'd say this is a 948 00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:53,319 Speaker 1: moment of fuckory, but it's really a moment of absolute stupidity. 949 00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:56,480 Speaker 1: Donald Trump Jr. Has tweeted this. I have to read 950 00:52:56,480 --> 00:52:58,600 Speaker 1: this part because you can't see it because he has 951 00:52:58,600 --> 00:53:02,839 Speaker 1: you blocked breaking. President Trump announced his free speech policy plan. 952 00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:08,840 Speaker 1: So basically the story is, yesterday Trump had tweeted that 953 00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:12,799 Speaker 1: he had a big announcement. Some journalists took this seriously, 954 00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:15,840 Speaker 1: thinking that perhaps he was announcing I saw some speculation 955 00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:18,360 Speaker 1: that he was announcing he might run for Speaker of 956 00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:21,400 Speaker 1: the House, because you don't have to be a member 957 00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:23,120 Speaker 1: of the House to run for Speaker of the House. 958 00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:26,759 Speaker 1: But luckily life is not the West Wing. Though I 959 00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:28,640 Speaker 1: don't know that Trump being Speaker of the House would 960 00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:31,359 Speaker 1: be the West wing more like VEEP. But we had 961 00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:34,400 Speaker 1: seen some speculation about this, but it turns out, in fact, 962 00:53:35,200 --> 00:53:40,160 Speaker 1: the Trump's big announcement was trade. It was trading cards, 963 00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:43,200 Speaker 1: n f T, trading cards, Yes and n f T 964 00:53:43,560 --> 00:53:46,320 Speaker 1: and uh, and that was his announcement. Then there was 965 00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:48,920 Speaker 1: a little bit of embarrassment because it was so stupid, 966 00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:53,239 Speaker 1: and so Don Jr. Always one to try to save 967 00:53:53,320 --> 00:53:58,040 Speaker 1: his father from embarrassment, ironically or not ironically, decided that 968 00:53:58,080 --> 00:54:02,240 Speaker 1: he was going to tweet out try some new policy platform. 969 00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:06,200 Speaker 1: And you remember, Trump has no policies, so his policies 970 00:54:06,239 --> 00:54:09,000 Speaker 1: when he does cook them up, are pretty amazing. So 971 00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:12,839 Speaker 1: he's going to restore free speech overview. By the way, 972 00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:16,440 Speaker 1: restoring free speech overview, that's what the document is titled. 973 00:54:16,719 --> 00:54:22,319 Speaker 1: He is basically his entire legislative platform is based on 974 00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:24,719 Speaker 1: the fact that he was taking off Twitter. As far 975 00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:28,000 Speaker 1: as I can tell, it seems like that there's one 976 00:54:28,040 --> 00:54:30,719 Speaker 1: dig at the Santa said here, it's nice he has 977 00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:35,720 Speaker 1: something new to do, right, I mean, band federal agencies 978 00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:39,920 Speaker 1: from colluding to censor American citizenships, so like, don't take 979 00:54:40,040 --> 00:54:43,440 Speaker 1: him off Twitter. Banned taxpayer dollars from being used to 980 00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:48,400 Speaker 1: labor label speeches, myths and disinformation. Don't you know, nobody 981 00:54:48,560 --> 00:54:53,360 Speaker 1: say that COVID anti vax stuff is not true. Fire 982 00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:57,520 Speaker 1: every federal bureaucrat who has engaged in domestic censorship, whatever 983 00:54:57,560 --> 00:55:02,400 Speaker 1: that means. For that, r T Bad Right revised section 984 00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:06,640 Speaker 1: to thirty to drastically curtel big platforms power to restrict 985 00:55:06,719 --> 00:55:12,200 Speaker 1: lawful speech. Basically, this entire legislative platform based solely on 986 00:55:12,280 --> 00:55:15,200 Speaker 1: him having been removed from Twitter. Uh yeah, so we'll 987 00:55:15,200 --> 00:55:18,440 Speaker 1: see how that goes. But that is our moment of gray. 988 00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:22,840 Speaker 1: That's it for this episode of Fast Politics. Tune in 989 00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:26,120 Speaker 1: every Monday, Wednesday, and Friday to hear the best minds 990 00:55:26,120 --> 00:55:29,360 Speaker 1: in politics makes sense of all this chaos. If you 991 00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:32,160 Speaker 1: enjoyed what you've heard, please send it to a friend 992 00:55:32,200 --> 00:55:35,760 Speaker 1: and keep the conversation going. And again, thanks for listening.