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Speaker 1: It's time to get inside the Giants US.

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Speaker 2: Let's go. Let's go Giants out on.

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Speaker 3: The Giants bubbling, give me some job, part of the

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Speaker 3: Giants Podcast.

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Speaker 1: Network's welcome to another special edition of the Giants Little Podcast,

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Speaker 1: brought to you by Citizens, the Official Bank of the Giants.

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Speaker 1: Special Roster Deadline Day. The Giants have announced their initial

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Speaker 1: fifty three man roster. We'll cover it all of you

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Speaker 1: right here in the Hackensack Marine Health Podcast Studio, Keep

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Speaker 1: getting better to do it. Joining me is Paul Detino

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Speaker 1: I of course John spok At Paul. We have the

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Speaker 1: initial fifty three man roster. The odds this is the

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Speaker 1: same fifty three men that'll be on this roster when

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Speaker 1: the Giants suit up in Week one is probably not

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Speaker 1: super high, to be totally honest with you, and that's

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Speaker 1: just the way the NFL works. But we know what

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Speaker 1: the initial fifty three is. Twenty six offensive players, twenty

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Speaker 1: four defensive players, and three specials.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and of course there's a new rule that was

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Speaker 3: put in place last year that allows you to put

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Speaker 3: two guys on injured reserve designated to return before the

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Speaker 3: fifty three So little plug for the.

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Speaker 2: Big Blue kick off Live Show.

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Speaker 3: When I was on with Matt Sidetek earlier today, we

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Speaker 3: talked about the fact that it's almost the pseudo fifty

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Speaker 3: five man roster instead of fifty three because you do

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Speaker 3: have the ability to protect those extra two guys.

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Speaker 1: And those guys have to be on injured reserve for

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Speaker 1: a minimum of four games correct to come back. So

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Speaker 1: the Giants did utilize that. Josh A Zudu was the

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Speaker 1: player that they decided to designate for a turn on

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Speaker 1: injured reserve. You missed that final preseason game, never really

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Speaker 1: disclosed what that injury was. No, but he'll be is

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Speaker 1: the first four games of the season, and I guess

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Speaker 1: we could start there, Paul, just because that was the

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Speaker 1: first piece of news we brought up. The Giants keeping

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Speaker 1: ten offensive linemen. A Zudo would be number eleven, But

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Speaker 1: again he is not on that initial fifty three because

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Speaker 1: he got placed on injured reserve with the ability to

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Speaker 1: return after four games. So the offensive lineman that made it.

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Speaker 1: You have your starting five. You have Andrew Thomas, you

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Speaker 1: have Greg Van Roten, you have John Runyan, you have

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Speaker 1: John Michael Schmich Schmid's pardon may and you have Jermaine

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Speaker 1: so those are your starting five s Andrew Thomas is

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Speaker 1: healthy in week one, then you have James Hudson Marcus

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Speaker 1: Bow as your nominal backup tackles. You've Austin Schlatman as

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Speaker 1: Evan Neil and Aaron Stinney. These are the guys that

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Speaker 1: we had on there when we did our predictions. Neither

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Speaker 1: one of us had shotman on there. That was a surprise.

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Speaker 1: But I understand the desire to have a straight up

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Speaker 1: backup center on your roster. So if something happens to

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Speaker 1: John Michael Schmidt's knocking on wood, you don't have to

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Speaker 1: move in and ronover and bring in another guard. Then

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Speaker 3: You know, usually, John Well, I should say, very often

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Speaker 3: teams will go with nine offensive linemen. And that's why

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Speaker 3: when we look at the ten number, we're like, wow,

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Speaker 3: you know that's a little bit high.

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Speaker 1: And eleven with a zudu if you can't.

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Speaker 3: Him exactly so, but I do understand you're right to me,

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Speaker 3: I probably would have understood if they decided that Van

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Speaker 3: Roten would be the backup center and that if anything

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Speaker 2: They would have a guy who I.

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Speaker 3: Believe could do the job at a competent level, which,

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Speaker 3: by the way, that still might be what they do

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Speaker 2: You never know. But but Slotman winds up staying.

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Speaker 3: Because that is his usual occupation. He is a center

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Speaker 3: by trade. Clearly they felt more comfortable with that.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 3: I wonder if part of that equation, okay, is that

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Speaker 3: they figure, well, you know what, if JMS were to

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Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, let's stay on offense. Let's go to

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Speaker 1: the quarterback position, Paul. They keep Russell Wilson, Jamis Winston,

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Speaker 1: they end up trading Kenny Pickett. They only kept three.

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Speaker 1: Giants keep three as well. Who knows what's gonna happen

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Speaker 1: he clears waivers.

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Speaker 3: Right, Because again anytime you sign someone of the practice squad,

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Speaker 3: they got to be willing to sign their signitude of

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Speaker 3: the paper. And we don't know what kind of future

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Speaker 3: Tommy DeVito is thinking for himself. Maybe he decides that

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Speaker 3: you know, he wants a fresh start too. You just

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Speaker 1: To that, absolutely not. And we'll see how the Again,

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Speaker 1: this is not a depth chart, folks. I'm just listing

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Speaker 1: in mind as well. And again, usually around thirty to

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Speaker 1: thirty five players get claimed on waivers each year, so

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Speaker 1: we'll see if the Giants claim anyone themselves, or if

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Speaker 1: any of the Giants players that they like, okay, claimed

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Speaker 1: by another team. And those players, by the way, within

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Speaker 1: get claimed, they have to go another team. Right now,

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Speaker 1: it's under four years, right, So if you're on your

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Speaker 1: to the team that claims you. If your past four years,

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Speaker 1: you can choose to sign wherever you want as a

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Speaker 1: street free agent after your let go, Just so fans

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Speaker 1: understand what the process is there, all right, Running back position, Paul,

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Speaker 1: this is they were. Both of us were a little

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Speaker 1: know that I let you convince me because we were

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Speaker 1: having this debate about this for weeks, and I finally

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Speaker 2: In and now takey. Barbara felt the same way post

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Speaker 1: Both of you managed to convince stuck to my initial

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Speaker 1: keep four running backs, and they did not. They decided

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Speaker 1: to let go of Turbo Miller, but they do hold

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Speaker 1: on to Devin Singletary, Tyrone Checy and Camp Scataboo. Look,

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Speaker 1: I think these are three running backs that the Giants

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Speaker 1: in Camp Scataboo being healthy, part as someone that missed

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Speaker 3: Well, I think the real real lynchpin to that whole

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Speaker 1: Now this is where you get the extra offensive player

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Speaker 1: the Giants keep six wide receivers, one more than I

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Speaker 1: And they keep four tight ends, which is one more

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Speaker 1: Daniel Bellinger, Thomas Faddoni, Theo Johnson, Chris Manherts. The three

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Speaker 1: guys that we expected to be on the veterans that

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Speaker 1: have been here for a while. They're on. Theo Johnson

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Speaker 1: veterans second year player, I know, but he's a young veteran.

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Speaker 1: He's been sure. And then Thomas Faddoni the second. Obviously

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Speaker 3: Well, I think anybody who was at training camp or

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Speaker 3: better off than a seventh round draft choice could possibly

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Speaker 3: how many targets he had, John, but I know this,

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Speaker 3: he didn't have any drops. I mean virtually everything that

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Speaker 1: He made a plan. He made a plan, and he

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Speaker 1: told out of that when he got drafted, thirty four

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Speaker 1: get balls that were off target?

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Speaker 3: Look, I appreciate the fact that early on, you know,

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Speaker 3: Had had injuries early in his career at Nebraska, but

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Speaker 3: a guy who clearly does have a really nice toolbox,

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Speaker 3: he did show that when he was here. I think

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Speaker 4: If you're lined up here, you gotta go over the

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Speaker 3: How do we make that happen?

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Speaker 4: I don't know. Bud Citizen does makes sense of your

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Speaker 1: Well, especially when you also keep six wide receivers I know,

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Speaker 1: obviously Malik Neighbors he made it, Darius Slayton, Wondel Robinson,

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Speaker 1: Jaylen Hyatt Gunner, Ossechewsky won the kick returner battle. We'll

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Speaker 1: wide receiver that made it onto the roster, Paul, and

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Speaker 1: that's Bo Collins, who I know the coaching staff was

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Speaker 1: He missed some time in the summer with an injury,

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Speaker 1: but when he was on the field, he was also productive.

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Speaker 1: He caught that nice deep pass in the preseason from

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Speaker 1: run a little bit. And I the Giants for them

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Speaker 1: to keep him, Paul, they must like him enough where

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Speaker 1: think it shows their appreciation for the player and what

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Speaker 1: they think he can develop into, who I now think

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Speaker 1: is in a similar position to Fidoni, where you're not

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Speaker 1: gonna rely on him right away. There's a good chance

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Speaker 1: the rest of the position. But he did play some

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Speaker 1: special teams yea three season, but he wasn't in there

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Speaker 3: He did enough to show his willingness to do so,

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Speaker 3: which is a big deal.

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Speaker 1: Correct, But again, I think they got in a guy

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Speaker 3: So again, I don't know how they really dissected this.

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Speaker 1: Slash Giants three specialists, not surprisingly Graham Geto, Casey Crider,

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Speaker 1: All right, let's go to the edge. Paul I mentioned

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and both Green and Jones also in the preseason

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Speaker 1: So all comments threat will be competing for special team snaps.

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Speaker 2: A Green also.

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Speaker 3: When he was with us the Giants last year, had

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Speaker 3: had done a pretty good job at gunner. He was

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Speaker 3: not the league guy, but he was one of the

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Speaker 2: Jones.

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Speaker 3: I think right now, as I look at this John

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Speaker 3: and you're going to get to the safeties in just

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Speaker 3: the second, the fact that Jones does have some versatility

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Speaker 3: fact that at the moment, the Giants look like they

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Speaker 3: might have been a little short at safety, but Jones's

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Speaker 3: ability to kind of slide in there might have helped him.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, only three players at safety, Tyler Nubyn, Jevon Holland,

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Speaker 1: and Dame Belton. So could the Giants be scattering for

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Speaker 1: doesn't make it. Possibly maybe they think one of those

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Speaker 1: defensive backs to your point and convert the safety and

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Speaker 1: be your fourth guy there. Yeah, I don't know that

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Speaker 1: three is very short at safety generally speaking. Yes, so yes,

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Speaker 1: especially if you plan on playing a lot of three

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Speaker 1: safety packages.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you could put yourself in.

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Speaker 1: A spot you could theoretically get two or three safeties

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Speaker 1: each week if you want. That's another way to go

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Speaker 1: about things. But I think they really liked the three

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Speaker 1: safeties they kept, Yes, and I don't think anyone else

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Speaker 1: would really challenge to bump into that top three. But

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Speaker 1: again for debt purposes, remember, safety is also usually play

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Speaker 1: a big role on special teams. At their size and speed,

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Speaker 1: they're usually important special teams short so we'll see if

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Speaker 1: they end up trying to add a fourth year at

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Speaker 1: some point. Well.

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Speaker 3: Again, I think that's why the back three corners of

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Speaker 3: the depth chart, the fact that they all contribute heavily

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Speaker 3: on specials. I think that's what gave the Giants the

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Speaker 3: imp it is to go the way they're going tonight. Now,

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Speaker 3: whether they change their minds in the next forty eight

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Speaker 3: hours and something else comes available, we don't know the

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Speaker 3: answer to that right now, but I do think that's

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Speaker 3: the way this factored in, at least on this particular afternoon.

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Speaker 1: Also, just to remind the folks, we're gonna be live

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Speaker 1: on WFN on Wednesday night Paul and I from seven

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Speaker 1: to nine talk a little bit about the Giants decisions

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Speaker 1: on the roster, but more importantly just previewing the season.

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Speaker 1: So make sure you check us out on WFAN six

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Speaker 1: sixty AM one to one point nine FM seven to

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Speaker 1: nine pm. You can stream it on the Odyssey app.

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Speaker 1: If you're not in the New York area on Wednesday night,

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Speaker 1: make sure you go check that out. Paul, in general,

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Speaker 1: I think when you look at this roster, I see

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Speaker 1: it as a good mix of veterans that can help

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Speaker 1: now young guys that develop down the road. And I

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Speaker 1: just think there's a greater number of good NFL players

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Speaker 1: than we've seen on a Giants roster in some time.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think there's any doubt John, when you

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Speaker 3: look at it and you say to yourself, well, how

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Speaker 3: many placeholders do you have on the back of the

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Speaker 3: depth chart? Not really very many, if it all. I

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Speaker 3: think at some point in time during the course of

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Speaker 3: the season, I could look at every one of these

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Speaker 3: guys on the fifty three, even the guys on the

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Speaker 3: back end, and say, you know what, I could see

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Speaker 3: a game or two where even a guy who might

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Speaker 3: not get a jersey most of the year might wind

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Speaker 3: up getting activated for a game.

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Speaker 2: And giving them something.

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Speaker 1: Not to mention, some of the guys that will eventually

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Speaker 1: be put onto the practice squad, you would have no

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Speaker 1: problem and have full confidence in those guys stepping in

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Speaker 1: having to play if you need.

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Speaker 3: Them to well, especially we mentioned we mentioned a couple

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Speaker 3: of the linebacker candidates, but even some of the receivers.

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Speaker 3: We told you all camp the receiver group was pretty deep,

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Speaker 3: and the defensive line group as well.

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Speaker 1: I think there are guys that you can have faith

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Speaker 1: if you need to call them up in a pinch,

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Speaker 1: that they can certainly help you. Paul, this is fun

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Speaker 1: as always, my friend. Yeah, it absolutely was.

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Speaker 3: I'm glad we finally got down to the very nitty

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Speaker 3: gritty of this.

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Speaker 2: The Rubik's cube was finally starting to get solved, right.

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Speaker 1: So it's the nitty griddy and now we start to

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Speaker 1: getting the big stuff as the NFL season begins and

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Speaker 1: a little more than a week when the Cowboys kick

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Speaker 1: off the season against the Pardon me we that's big.

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Speaker 1: That's our edition of the Giants That Are plodcast presented

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Speaker 1: by said. This is the official bank of the Giants.

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Speaker 1: I am John Schmelch. He has pulled the tinol. Thanks

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Speaker 1: for joining us in our podcast udio presented by Hackensackmoony health.

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Speaker 1: Keep getting better. I'm getting better, thankfully. That sneeze might

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Speaker 1: not be indications of that, but I am trust me

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Speaker 1: for Paul, I'm Schmelk. We'll see you next time. Everybody,