1 00:00:07,880 --> 00:00:11,799 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace on Sirius XM Triumph Channel 2 00:00:11,920 --> 00:00:19,439 Speaker 1: one two. Do you remember the old old question, if 3 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:24,760 Speaker 1: a tree falls in the forest and nobody's around, does 4 00:00:24,800 --> 00:00:27,080 Speaker 1: it make a noise? Well, of course we know that 5 00:00:27,160 --> 00:00:31,440 Speaker 1: it does. But that was the theoretical question that you'd 6 00:00:31,440 --> 00:00:35,960 Speaker 1: be asked in college when you're in your first philosophy class, 7 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:39,760 Speaker 1: which you're forced to take, by the way. But now 8 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:44,279 Speaker 1: the new question is, if you don't start in your 9 00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:48,839 Speaker 1: own Facebook video or it doesn't happen on Facebook, did 10 00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:53,320 Speaker 1: it really ever happen at all? I'm talking about murder, 11 00:00:54,520 --> 00:01:01,160 Speaker 1: murder live streamed on Facebook, not to us once, but 12 00:01:01,360 --> 00:01:05,720 Speaker 1: over and over and over again. Why the phenomena of 13 00:01:05,959 --> 00:01:12,039 Speaker 1: murder live streamed? I'm Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. 14 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:14,840 Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us. The chicken or the egg? 15 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:20,360 Speaker 1: Oh dear. Another philosophical question. Do people murder on live 16 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:24,520 Speaker 1: streaming to become famous? Or do they become famous or 17 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:28,360 Speaker 1: infamous because they live streamed to murder? That that's that's 18 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:32,520 Speaker 1: the big question. But I'm gonna let the shrinks figure 19 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 1: all that out while I figure out who's going to 20 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:41,280 Speaker 1: jail and why? Joining me right now, Dr Chloe Carmichael, 21 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:46,200 Speaker 1: creator of ask dr cc dot com That's asked d 22 00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:49,840 Speaker 1: r c C dot com awesome, awesome site. Dr Chloe 23 00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 1: with me forensics expert Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor of Forensics 24 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:59,880 Speaker 1: at Jacksonville State University, and Crime Stories investigative reporter John Limley. 25 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:03,040 Speaker 1: And we're gonna kick it all off with a case 26 00:02:03,160 --> 00:02:07,400 Speaker 1: that that just stunned me. The case of an evil, 27 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:16,399 Speaker 1: evil Cleveland gunman who randomly shoots dead an elderly man 28 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 1: in the street, just drives by and sheets a guy, 29 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:28,600 Speaker 1: dad who's shuffling along minding his own business. This guy 30 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 1: has a family, he had grandchildren that called him Papa. 31 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:35,919 Speaker 1: There's pictures of him. We've managed to dig up his 32 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:40,840 Speaker 1: seventy four year old Robert Godwin, and his grandchildren absolutely 33 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 1: loved him. He had a favorite easy chair. It reminds 34 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:47,760 Speaker 1: me a little bit of the ugly chair in Frasier 35 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:49,360 Speaker 1: that the dad said and all the time. But it 36 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:51,680 Speaker 1: also reminds me of my father. He had a favorite 37 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:56,000 Speaker 1: chair that he would sit in. And this Mr Godwin 38 00:02:56,120 --> 00:02:59,600 Speaker 1: is reminding me of my dad so much. And Mr 39 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:03,920 Speaker 1: god And it's just gunned down dead randomly. And to 40 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:11,160 Speaker 1: add insult to injury. The killer live Street posted the 41 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:17,000 Speaker 1: video on Facebook. To John Limley, Crime Stories investigative reporter, 42 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:22,440 Speaker 1: I don't understand why this Cleveland shooter, who seemed to 43 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:27,079 Speaker 1: be a normal guy, Steve Stevens, would gun down a 44 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:30,600 Speaker 1: guy on Facebook video and claim he's killed fifty more. 45 00:03:30,720 --> 00:03:35,000 Speaker 1: Let's start at the beginning, John Limley, what happened, Nancy? 46 00:03:35,080 --> 00:03:38,720 Speaker 1: This was a really nice day, warm and sonny. So, 47 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:42,400 Speaker 1: as you mentioned Robert Godwin, uh, he was out for 48 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:46,920 Speaker 1: a stroll in the Glenville neighborhood of Cleveland. Uh. As 49 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:50,040 Speaker 1: we've heard, he was a gentleman, graying hair. That day, 50 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:53,120 Speaker 1: he was wearing a blue plaid shirt. He was carrying 51 00:03:53,160 --> 00:03:56,120 Speaker 1: a white plastic bag that he had filled with cans 52 00:03:56,160 --> 00:03:59,400 Speaker 1: that he had picked up along the way. It's something 53 00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:01,240 Speaker 1: that he did all most every day since he had 54 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:04,280 Speaker 1: retired as a foundry worker. He loved to go along 55 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 1: pick things up, maybe even a bicycle or a small appliance, 56 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:10,520 Speaker 1: and he'd take them home and repair them. And this 57 00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:14,120 Speaker 1: had given him an affectionate nickname in the neighborhood, the 58 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:16,480 Speaker 1: junk Man. Okay, now wait a minute, wait a minute. 59 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:20,600 Speaker 1: This guy had a long career in the foundry business 60 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:25,680 Speaker 1: to support his family, his children and even his grandchildren. Then, 61 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:29,000 Speaker 1: after many many years toiling, just like my dad did 62 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:34,279 Speaker 1: on the railroad, he retires. Now my dad took up 63 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:36,960 Speaker 1: He suddenly became a Sunday school teacher, to the shock 64 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:39,560 Speaker 1: of all of us, because my dad, as you know, 65 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:42,760 Speaker 1: was not afraid of a cocktail. He took becoming a 66 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:48,240 Speaker 1: Sunday school teacher and exercising and all things heart healthy. 67 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:52,839 Speaker 1: Those were his obsessions, okay, along with sports, watching sports, 68 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:55,159 Speaker 1: So that that who was all into all of that. 69 00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:59,279 Speaker 1: This guy, Mr Godwin decided to go along and start 70 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:02,279 Speaker 1: recycling everything he could get his mits on and pick 71 00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:05,840 Speaker 1: up this and that and you know, refurbish it, make 72 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:08,919 Speaker 1: it new again. And he would be walking up and 73 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:11,599 Speaker 1: down the street in his neighborhood finding whatever he could, 74 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:15,240 Speaker 1: this little low guy with the glasses and the big smile, 75 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 1: Mr Godwin. Okay, so he's out, Mr Godwin is out 76 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:23,680 Speaker 1: collecting little bikes and this and that pieces of tidbits. 77 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:27,080 Speaker 1: And what happens, John Limley, This is around two pm 78 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:31,640 Speaker 1: that afternoon, Robert Godwin walking along the sidewalk on East 79 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:35,760 Speaker 1: ninety three Street in Cleveland, when a man stops his car, 80 00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:40,640 Speaker 1: gets out and walks over to Robert. The man had 81 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:45,120 Speaker 1: his phone out shooting video of Robert and asked him 82 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:49,760 Speaker 1: to say the name of a woman, Joy Lane. The 83 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:53,159 Speaker 1: man said, she's the reason why this is about to 84 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:56,440 Speaker 1: happen to you. Robert immediately tells the man he doesn't 85 00:05:56,480 --> 00:05:59,280 Speaker 1: know who he's talking about, has no idea what he's 86 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:02,640 Speaker 1: talking about. But the next thing Robert knows, the man 87 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 1: pulls out a gun, shoots him, and a split second 88 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:10,480 Speaker 1: later Robert falls to the ground dead. John, Wait a minute, 89 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:13,680 Speaker 1: I have got to quit thinking about my dad and 90 00:06:13,760 --> 00:06:17,440 Speaker 1: this happening to my dad because he would walk up 91 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:22,080 Speaker 1: all around the neighborhood almost every day as part of 92 00:06:22,160 --> 00:06:28,159 Speaker 1: his exercise regimen. And I can just imagine this jackass 93 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:31,440 Speaker 1: coming up to my father and saying, say the name 94 00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:35,800 Speaker 1: joy Lane. My dad would say what what? Because the 95 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:38,919 Speaker 1: way he would do is exercises, He counted steps, and 96 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:41,159 Speaker 1: he had been doing this for years and years before 97 00:06:41,960 --> 00:06:45,600 Speaker 1: he went to heaven. And I can just see somebody 98 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:50,440 Speaker 1: pulling up to Mr Godwin and saying getting out in video, 99 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:53,160 Speaker 1: I mean he would be on what. I don't know her, 100 00:06:53,320 --> 00:06:55,840 Speaker 1: I don't know what you're talking about. As a matter 101 00:06:55,880 --> 00:07:01,120 Speaker 1: of fact, this guy may he wrought in hell. Steve 102 00:07:01,320 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 1: Stevens has this on video. Listen to what he says, 103 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:12,040 Speaker 1: found somebody like a kill kill this guy right here? 104 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:25,080 Speaker 1: The old Hi, can you get your favor? Can you 105 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:29,360 Speaker 1: say Joey Lane? Can you say Joey Lane Lane? Yeah, 106 00:07:30,520 --> 00:07:32,400 Speaker 1: she's the reason why this is about to happened to you. 107 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:38,400 Speaker 1: How old are you? Look? I don't know, I don't 108 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:49,480 Speaker 1: know nobody here because of dy You know, Alan, do 109 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:55,160 Speaker 1: you just heard John Linley reporting about this seriously monster 110 00:07:55,680 --> 00:08:00,520 Speaker 1: coming up to this elderly guy and demand he say 111 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:04,680 Speaker 1: the name Joy Lane. Who's the shooters ex girlfriend? I'm 112 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 1: sure I think I know why she's an ex, But 113 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:11,480 Speaker 1: that wasn't it, Alan Duke. Then this freak gets in 114 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:15,280 Speaker 1: his car and starts videoing again. What does he do 115 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:17,720 Speaker 1: in the car? Yes, it was just a few moments 116 00:08:17,760 --> 00:08:20,120 Speaker 1: after he shot this man. He gets in the car, 117 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:24,760 Speaker 1: goes again on Facebook and explains to his Facebook friends 118 00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:27,520 Speaker 1: that I guess I just snapped, and then he calls 119 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:32,640 Speaker 1: himself a monster in this rambling snap just snapped. He 120 00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:36,480 Speaker 1: planned this. He didn't just snapped. He sought out a victim, 121 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:39,600 Speaker 1: a defenseless elderly gentleman on the side of the street 122 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:42,480 Speaker 1: mining his own business walks up to him and says, 123 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:46,120 Speaker 1: this is why she's why this is going to happen 124 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:49,600 Speaker 1: to you. This is not a snap. This is a plan. 125 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:52,960 Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, Alan Duke has managed to 126 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:57,760 Speaker 1: dig up what Steve Stephen says in his car, declaring 127 00:08:57,840 --> 00:09:03,640 Speaker 1: he quote just snapped, list said, dog, just corn this corn, 128 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:06,880 Speaker 1: just cord. Get it. Man, I can't talk to you 129 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:15,840 Speaker 1: right now, man, yeah, I did just a couple of Um. 130 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:18,120 Speaker 1: I'm at the point where snaps. The thing is, man, 131 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:21,319 Speaker 1: every time I try to talk about man, y'all always 132 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:23,959 Speaker 1: blow me. You offer or just make my team my name. 133 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:27,080 Speaker 1: I got a lot of built in anger and frustration. Man, 134 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:36,079 Speaker 1: No here, No, I ain't going over there. Just this 135 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:38,480 Speaker 1: this card. Tell me a look at that. Man. You 136 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:43,319 Speaker 1: you go from there. But hey, dog, let me call you, 137 00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:45,440 Speaker 1: Let me call you, Let me call you me. Yeah, 138 00:09:45,760 --> 00:09:47,600 Speaker 1: it's my name. My name is Stevie, Steve on there, 139 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:53,280 Speaker 1: just this go a anybody all on there. Dog. I 140 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:54,600 Speaker 1: just want to tell you, dog, I love you. I 141 00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:59,439 Speaker 1: love you dog, and dog listen, Man, I shamed. I shamed. 142 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:04,000 Speaker 1: The four sons perseverance. Man, I shamed for district. A 143 00:10:04,080 --> 00:10:06,560 Speaker 1: shame as they don't make it. The most importantly, A 144 00:10:06,559 --> 00:10:11,240 Speaker 1: shamed myself. I snapped. I snapped, dog. I just snapped, dog. 145 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:17,000 Speaker 1: I just snapped. I just killed thirteen. Man, That's what 146 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:19,199 Speaker 1: I did. I killed thirteen people, and I'm about to 147 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:23,599 Speaker 1: keep killing until until until they they ntil they catch me. 148 00:10:26,480 --> 00:10:31,959 Speaker 1: I posted it. I say, until they catch me. Dog, 149 00:10:32,040 --> 00:10:33,319 Speaker 1: let me call you right back, because I got a 150 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:36,199 Speaker 1: lot of people calling me, but dog, really, all right, 151 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:44,000 Speaker 1: you're sorry about that? Man? Listen, man, Um, Like I said, 152 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:46,520 Speaker 1: I killed thirteen, so I'm working on fourteen as we speak. 153 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:49,760 Speaker 1: I'm just running around hitting my man. I just I 154 00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:54,040 Speaker 1: just snapped. Man. You know, it's some hope that I 155 00:10:54,080 --> 00:10:57,280 Speaker 1: would let up or anybody get me on my hook. 156 00:10:57,960 --> 00:10:59,760 Speaker 1: But see the thing he is, man, I'm thirty seven 157 00:10:59,800 --> 00:11:02,840 Speaker 1: and my life man, I just always been a monster. Man. 158 00:11:03,160 --> 00:11:05,680 Speaker 1: I always had to prove myself. You know, I always 159 00:11:05,679 --> 00:11:08,840 Speaker 1: had to take the butts of people's jokes. And it's like, 160 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:11,640 Speaker 1: you know, I'm a case measure for beast boy at 161 00:11:11,679 --> 00:11:13,920 Speaker 1: my beach. I'm killing my beast book bradge on too. 162 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:16,520 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I ain't no better come to work tomorrow, 163 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:23,080 Speaker 1: you know. Um but um yeah, I'm just killing man, 164 00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:29,040 Speaker 1: you know, and uh alla because it's you know, um, 165 00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:31,720 Speaker 1: she put me in my my my, my pushing point. Man. 166 00:11:32,320 --> 00:11:34,319 Speaker 1: You know I was living over there with her. This 167 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:36,319 Speaker 1: what up Friday? That's gonna take it no more? Man, 168 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:40,120 Speaker 1: I just left and um yeah here I am massacreing. 169 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:47,160 Speaker 1: Yeah recorded day. The uh today is the Eastern Sunday massacre. 170 00:11:47,600 --> 00:11:51,560 Speaker 1: But it's though that um oh Edward Warred. My number 171 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:56,560 Speaker 1: is uh you could call me or you canna call me, 172 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:07,040 Speaker 1: but uh yeah, everybody keep putting this that reel. That's 173 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:12,959 Speaker 1: funny and again man like people saying is it real? 174 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:15,679 Speaker 1: And nobody thinking me for granted for for for truth 175 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:19,240 Speaker 1: and that's a crazy part man, Nobody, I don't know. 176 00:12:22,240 --> 00:12:26,480 Speaker 1: I'm a I'm gonna send another post in a second. 177 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:36,720 Speaker 1: I want to pause and thank our partner making our 178 00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:43,160 Speaker 1: investigation possible. It's legal Zoom. New Year's is over and 179 00:12:43,280 --> 00:12:46,800 Speaker 1: now it's time to write your own success story for 180 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:49,960 Speaker 1: two thousand eight. Team and legal Zoom can help you 181 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:53,600 Speaker 1: with that. 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What can we typically 205 00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:29,840 Speaker 1: learn from a nine one one called Joe Scott? Many 206 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:32,560 Speaker 1: times you can you can get a sense of of 207 00:14:32,680 --> 00:14:37,320 Speaker 1: how horrific a particular circumstances because it paints a picture 208 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:42,000 Speaker 1: that takes the jury, who is in just this isolated 209 00:14:42,080 --> 00:14:45,080 Speaker 1: room with a lot of people, and takes them back 210 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:49,280 Speaker 1: to that moment of absolute and total horror. And I 211 00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:52,000 Speaker 1: think that most of the people that get pulled into 212 00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:54,440 Speaker 1: a court as as a member of a jury pool, 213 00:14:54,520 --> 00:14:57,520 Speaker 1: they they don't they can't associate with this kind of thing. 214 00:14:57,680 --> 00:15:00,360 Speaker 1: That horror would actually visit you in this moment that 215 00:15:00,640 --> 00:15:02,840 Speaker 1: you know, like like this older gentleman here that's just 216 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:08,200 Speaker 1: mine in his own business. And the this this drives 217 00:15:08,200 --> 00:15:10,680 Speaker 1: at home even more because here you actually hear the 218 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:14,840 Speaker 1: voice of the perpetrator. It's not just some abstract person 219 00:15:15,040 --> 00:15:17,000 Speaker 1: going down the road saying I just saw somebody that 220 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:20,480 Speaker 1: had been shot in this. In this live streaming event, 221 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:23,560 Speaker 1: you've got someone that's actually they're talking about what he's 222 00:15:23,560 --> 00:15:28,320 Speaker 1: gonna do, perpetrates it and then offers commentary after. And 223 00:15:28,400 --> 00:15:31,680 Speaker 1: boy is this compelling. Take a listen now to the 224 00:15:31,760 --> 00:15:41,240 Speaker 1: n on call. Okay, what do you address? Okay, you 225 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:47,560 Speaker 1: didn't tell me. I'm someone new? Is it that Cleveland? Okay? 226 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:49,880 Speaker 1: And are you right there with him now? No? I 227 00:15:49,920 --> 00:15:59,520 Speaker 1: don't Okay, Okay, I don't he gonna copy? Okay? Are 228 00:15:59,560 --> 00:16:01,280 Speaker 1: you able to go out there and see these contents 229 00:16:01,320 --> 00:16:06,560 Speaker 1: I'm breathing? Please? Um, he's on conscious? I don't. I 230 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:12,360 Speaker 1: don't know. He's older sixty seventy ways, I want to 231 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:15,720 Speaker 1: say six? Okay, all right? Are you able to are 232 00:16:15,760 --> 00:16:17,920 Speaker 1: you able to go out there and see if he's conscious? 233 00:16:17,920 --> 00:16:21,400 Speaker 1: I'm really at all really not my mom My mom 234 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:24,320 Speaker 1: is holder and I got my child. Okay, I need 235 00:16:24,360 --> 00:16:25,880 Speaker 1: to help him until they get there. We do have 236 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:28,120 Speaker 1: help out were on the way. But if we can 237 00:16:28,160 --> 00:16:30,000 Speaker 1: help him until they get there, Sir, if he's shot, 238 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:34,280 Speaker 1: where was he shot at? I don't know? Um, I 239 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:36,920 Speaker 1: don't know. I'm come. You know, I'm gonna sweep. Okay. 240 00:16:36,920 --> 00:16:38,440 Speaker 1: Are you able to go out there and see if 241 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:40,400 Speaker 1: he's conscious of breaking so we can help him surface 242 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:46,560 Speaker 1: that to do so? Um? Yeah? Okay, our users, Okay, 243 00:16:46,600 --> 00:16:48,080 Speaker 1: I need to fun you guys to go and check 244 00:16:48,120 --> 00:16:50,840 Speaker 1: and see he's conscious? Are bringing me to help him? 245 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:56,560 Speaker 1: We need to help him. Yeah, I'm sorry. I guess 246 00:16:56,720 --> 00:16:59,000 Speaker 1: I got my son of my ann to walk. Okay, 247 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:03,360 Speaker 1: can you sorry? My mom? I got labeled the US 248 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:05,800 Speaker 1: coming on my mom. But I need to I need 249 00:17:05,800 --> 00:17:08,200 Speaker 1: to help them help him. So I need to talk 250 00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:12,960 Speaker 1: to that out there. What do you say? He said? 251 00:17:13,040 --> 00:17:17,040 Speaker 1: I got another company pulled up in the in the hero. Okay, 252 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:25,600 Speaker 1: he conscious though? Is he a waiting conscious brocause you 253 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:31,320 Speaker 1: know conscious? Ask him? Is he breathing? If he's breathing? 254 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:35,240 Speaker 1: No breathing? Okay, So we need to help him. We 255 00:17:35,280 --> 00:17:36,879 Speaker 1: need to get the clean dry cloth or top and 256 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:45,879 Speaker 1: apply to where he's leading from. Hello, I can't hear 257 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:49,639 Speaker 1: me a white crane card with them from TA. No, 258 00:17:49,880 --> 00:17:57,000 Speaker 1: I'm telling my pet, sir, the old man. Hello, yeah, okay, listen, 259 00:17:57,040 --> 00:18:03,600 Speaker 1: are you going to with a patent of that? Sir? Listen? 260 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:12,439 Speaker 1: We need to help him. Okay? Where was he shot at? Here? Okay? 261 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:15,000 Speaker 1: So is he we need to go gag on from now? Okay, 262 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:17,000 Speaker 1: I need you guys to get something clean and dry 263 00:18:17,480 --> 00:18:19,360 Speaker 1: and apply it to his head where he's bleeding from 264 00:18:19,359 --> 00:18:21,639 Speaker 1: applied firm said the pressure. Can't do that now, please, 265 00:18:24,119 --> 00:18:27,040 Speaker 1: I got frown right, Okay, we'll start getting somebody off 266 00:18:27,080 --> 00:18:31,119 Speaker 1: the phone that's over there. Next then yeah, can take 267 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:35,800 Speaker 1: the phone where the patient is at. Oh man, I'm sorry, 268 00:18:35,920 --> 00:18:40,560 Speaker 1: but alright over here, okay, so you see hello, he's 269 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:43,680 Speaker 1: like he's all around like, Okay, listen to what I'm 270 00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:45,800 Speaker 1: trying to say. I understand what I'm saying this well, 271 00:18:46,040 --> 00:18:47,720 Speaker 1: but I need you to guy to get something clean 272 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:50,280 Speaker 1: and dry and apply to where he's bleeding from doing now, 273 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:52,160 Speaker 1: and we need to lay him flat on his back 274 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:54,000 Speaker 1: so we can't open up his their way do it now? 275 00:18:56,040 --> 00:19:01,160 Speaker 1: Oh okay, okay, we got something anything clean and drying 276 00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:04,640 Speaker 1: on to taller today, I'm on the back. I need 277 00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:08,560 Speaker 1: a caller thing. I'm gonna tell you I got calling baby. 278 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:10,840 Speaker 1: Anything you don't need to do, you have to take 279 00:19:10,840 --> 00:19:13,000 Speaker 1: care of it. Then turn you out of pool. Don't 280 00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:22,040 Speaker 1: tell you you hello, yeah for okay, laying bounding back 281 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:24,159 Speaker 1: lead you're here. He's on the toll right, don't wait 282 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:26,560 Speaker 1: for the call. Okay. So if he breathing at all, 283 00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:29,560 Speaker 1: I know he's not gonna come around right here, okay, 284 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:31,760 Speaker 1: right here, so little we need to we need to 285 00:19:31,840 --> 00:19:37,520 Speaker 1: lamb down, flat down on the black okay, okay, and 286 00:19:37,520 --> 00:19:40,479 Speaker 1: I want you to hello. Yeah. So I don't come 287 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:42,760 Speaker 1: with my truth that I'm gon Tigre. Okay, sir, I 288 00:19:42,800 --> 00:19:45,240 Speaker 1: thought you was near the patient, Yes I was, but 289 00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:50,679 Speaker 1: my turk down street. Okay, So what's so? What is it? 290 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:53,760 Speaker 1: This is the fire truck right next to him. I'm 291 00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:56,159 Speaker 1: gonna know, all right, thank you. You just heard the 292 00:19:56,240 --> 00:19:59,440 Speaker 1: nine one one call about the shooting death of seventy 293 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:02,480 Speaker 1: four year old Robert Godwin. I'm looking at a photo 294 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:06,240 Speaker 1: of him right now and a grown lady. I can't 295 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:09,040 Speaker 1: really make her out, but she's much younger than him, 296 00:20:09,119 --> 00:20:13,479 Speaker 1: has her arm around him. I bet it's with his daughter. 297 00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:17,040 Speaker 1: Bet you anything. Oh, I give everything of God right 298 00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:20,359 Speaker 1: now if I could just hug my dad one more time. 299 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:25,120 Speaker 1: I'm telling you, but this guy, Steve Stevens, this evil 300 00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:30,920 Speaker 1: Cleveland shooter, took that opportunity away from Mr Godwin's children 301 00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:35,119 Speaker 1: and grandchildren. And this to Dr Chloe Carmichael, renowned New 302 00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:41,240 Speaker 1: York psychologist and creator of ask dr c c dot 303 00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:45,200 Speaker 1: com for Dr Chloe Carmichael, you know he claims a 304 00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:50,480 Speaker 1: shooter claims on Facebook that he's killed fifteen people. Now, 305 00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:54,280 Speaker 1: if that's true, you're a monster, And if it's not true, 306 00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:58,320 Speaker 1: you're still a monster. We also learned Dr Chloe that 307 00:20:58,440 --> 00:21:02,800 Speaker 1: he worked as a mental health manager and would post 308 00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:09,159 Speaker 1: excessively on social media, and on social media he blamed 309 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:12,720 Speaker 1: the murderer on a woman to believe we think was 310 00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:16,720 Speaker 1: his ex girlfriend Joy. It's it's really insane either way, 311 00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:20,159 Speaker 1: as you're saying, whether he actually did kill fifteen people 312 00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:23,280 Speaker 1: or whether he just wants to say that. Um, when 313 00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:27,199 Speaker 1: someone's face rejection like this person has, it sounds like 314 00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:29,840 Speaker 1: his girlfriend had broken up with him or something like that, 315 00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:33,960 Speaker 1: they tend to feel very, very powerless, And it's it's 316 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:38,000 Speaker 1: actually natural that when we experience rejection, many people actually 317 00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:40,199 Speaker 1: do become a little bit vindictive or be in a 318 00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:43,280 Speaker 1: bad mood. But obviously this person has taken it up 319 00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:46,439 Speaker 1: to a huge extreme. And it also appears that he 320 00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:51,440 Speaker 1: might be trying to make her feel the pain that 321 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:54,560 Speaker 1: he has felt by somehow trying to suggest that this 322 00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:58,680 Speaker 1: is her fault. So in a sense, he felt annihilated 323 00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:02,320 Speaker 1: and murdered in an away by her breaking up with him. 324 00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:05,439 Speaker 1: It's like she destroyed him, and now it seems like 325 00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:08,480 Speaker 1: maybe this is his really sick way of trying to 326 00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:12,600 Speaker 1: show her what that feels like. That's Dr Chloe Carmichael, 327 00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:16,280 Speaker 1: New York psychologists joining us back to Joseph Scott, Morgan 328 00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:19,440 Speaker 1: forensics expert. Take a look at the timeline Joe Scott 329 00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:24,960 Speaker 1: at eleven o nine, he first threatens to murder eleven eleven. 330 00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:29,320 Speaker 1: Two minutes later, the video of the live shooting is 331 00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:35,840 Speaker 1: uploaded in just two minutes even two a live confession. 332 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:41,840 Speaker 1: The end of the live video all done, Nancy, And 333 00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:46,520 Speaker 1: you know this guy's life these seventy plus years, is 334 00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:49,040 Speaker 1: this guy lived on this earth. Are just completely gone 335 00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:53,320 Speaker 1: and and vanished in a second. And it didn't take much, 336 00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:58,880 Speaker 1: did it, except for uh, for this monster with firearm 337 00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:01,800 Speaker 1: to go in random He picked this guy out and 338 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:04,600 Speaker 1: kill him for whatever his motivations. And at this point 339 00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:07,600 Speaker 1: in tom uh, you know, as as a you know, 340 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:10,120 Speaker 1: as as an average guy, I don't I don't care 341 00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:13,000 Speaker 1: what his motivations were. I care about this this victims 342 00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:17,359 Speaker 1: family though, and how how horrible is this um? You know, 343 00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:22,680 Speaker 1: teaching at college with investigations like I do at Jacksonville State, 344 00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:24,959 Speaker 1: one of the things that we talked about with homicide 345 00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:28,159 Speaker 1: is that the launch here of homicides are not like 346 00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:32,000 Speaker 1: you see on television where it's some kind of randomized stranger. 347 00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:33,879 Speaker 1: It's going to be an intimate and we've talked about 348 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:36,960 Speaker 1: this a lot. That's what makes this all the more horrific, 349 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:39,840 Speaker 1: doesn't it needs that. You just got this guy that 350 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:44,000 Speaker 1: just appears out of nowhere in this elderly man's life 351 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:46,000 Speaker 1: and just snuffs it out in a second, and it's 352 00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:50,119 Speaker 1: all there for everybody to see. You know, it's really 353 00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:53,680 Speaker 1: interesting if you look at him online Dr Chloe Carmichael, 354 00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:55,480 Speaker 1: which is what he wants us all to do. Anyway. 355 00:23:56,119 --> 00:24:00,320 Speaker 1: You see shots titled joy Lane and Me in New 356 00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:03,520 Speaker 1: Orleans and he's got on Marty Graw beads and there 357 00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:08,399 Speaker 1: obviously at some fancy restaurant with like a jungle in 358 00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:14,240 Speaker 1: the background and strings of lights. Looks really fun. They're smiling, 359 00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:19,280 Speaker 1: and then you see another picture of him smiling, and 360 00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:25,520 Speaker 1: then suddenly it goes to him with um um hat 361 00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:32,280 Speaker 1: pulled down way down and dark clothing and he's looking 362 00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:37,080 Speaker 1: really angry and menacing towards the camera, really solemn face. 363 00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:43,159 Speaker 1: That was one of the police issued photos. Then he 364 00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:47,840 Speaker 1: goes on the run. He's tracked through his phone. Dr 365 00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:52,879 Speaker 1: Chloe Carmichael. He's living his life out online, Yes he is. 366 00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:56,960 Speaker 1: And again when somebody has rejected uh, sometimes they can 367 00:24:57,000 --> 00:25:00,960 Speaker 1: actually feel as if as if they're they're going to disappear. 368 00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:05,640 Speaker 1: We call it annihilation anxiety in psychology. And I think 369 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:09,439 Speaker 1: it's possible that part of his his reason for wanting 370 00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:13,240 Speaker 1: to do all of this online um is to to 371 00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:17,439 Speaker 1: try to make his presence known and make his presence felt. Um. 372 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:22,159 Speaker 1: He's he's clearly seeking attention. So when somebody breaks up 373 00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:25,560 Speaker 1: with you, they're withdrawing their attention, and so it's almost 374 00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:28,520 Speaker 1: as if he's trying to undo that by getting the 375 00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:31,680 Speaker 1: eyes of the world upon him as he lives out. 376 00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:35,359 Speaker 1: You know this nightmare you know just got Morgan. You 377 00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:39,840 Speaker 1: have a young team at home, Mine aren't. Tan. We 378 00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:43,440 Speaker 1: just went to an evening movie that our church put 379 00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:48,760 Speaker 1: on called screen Agers, about the effect that online video 380 00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:55,320 Speaker 1: games um social media, how it affects girls versus boys, 381 00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:58,560 Speaker 1: and what effect it does have on them. It was 382 00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:04,199 Speaker 1: incre edible. It was a documentary but also very entertaining. 383 00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:09,720 Speaker 1: But I'm thinking about how even in those seemingly more 384 00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:16,280 Speaker 1: innocent contexts, it takes over their lives. They're addicted to it. 385 00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:19,639 Speaker 1: You know, I'm really watching my son right now, because 386 00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:22,320 Speaker 1: when I say Okay, time's up for whatever he's playing. 387 00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:26,160 Speaker 1: He gets actually angry. He's just ten. He's never heard 388 00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:29,680 Speaker 1: of flee. Uh. And he doesn't want me to tell 389 00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:31,920 Speaker 1: he doesn't want to turn it off. He gets upset. 390 00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:35,800 Speaker 1: It's just like they said in that documentary screen Agers 391 00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:39,880 Speaker 1: and the Girls. My daughter does. Neither one of them 392 00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:44,080 Speaker 1: have an iPhone or in anything like that. But in 393 00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:47,320 Speaker 1: the movie The Young Girls, it's all about what they 394 00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:52,240 Speaker 1: look like. And they're they're nine and ten and they're 395 00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:56,280 Speaker 1: posting I guess you'd say, what they believed to be 396 00:26:56,440 --> 00:27:01,200 Speaker 1: sexy pictures of themselves. They are nine, there's nothing sexy, 397 00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:06,479 Speaker 1: but it kind of They're they're living through this little screen. 398 00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:09,560 Speaker 1: And for years I've laughed at people like, we'll walk 399 00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:12,360 Speaker 1: by and there'll be four people sitting together and they're 400 00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:15,439 Speaker 1: all just glued to their iPhone. It is so funny 401 00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:20,560 Speaker 1: to me, But it's real, just just scot Yeah, it 402 00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:23,200 Speaker 1: is real. And if I could just give you a 403 00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:26,800 Speaker 1: quick analogy, uh, and the struggle is really really with 404 00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:30,719 Speaker 1: a teenager. Um. When I first started teaching college, you know, 405 00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:34,240 Speaker 1: in excess of a decade ago, and you probably remember this, Nancy, 406 00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:36,959 Speaker 1: remember how at the end of class. Most classes let 407 00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:38,480 Speaker 1: out at the same time. You'd walk out in the 408 00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:43,200 Speaker 1: hallway and you'd hear this this audible buzz amongst students 409 00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:46,320 Speaker 1: that were talking. You could hear things scratching around, you know. 410 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:50,159 Speaker 1: And now a decade later, when you walk into the 411 00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:54,000 Speaker 1: hallway at a university, it's almost like you've walked into 412 00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:59,000 Speaker 1: a Trappist monastery. It is dead quiet, is dead quiet. 413 00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:02,200 Speaker 1: You don't hear people talking, you don't hear people interacting 414 00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:06,520 Speaker 1: other than with this electronic device. And it's it's a 415 00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:10,920 Speaker 1: it's a generational paragamic shift, as they say in academia. 416 00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:16,400 Speaker 1: Everything has changed. Um. When I first started teaching the students, 417 00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:19,240 Speaker 1: they would I would put these images on the screen 418 00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:23,000 Speaker 1: about all these horrible cases that that I had worked 419 00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:26,560 Speaker 1: over the years to illustrate my points relative to forensics, 420 00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:30,040 Speaker 1: and there were audible gas in class. You know, those 421 00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:34,240 Speaker 1: are completely vanished now, Nancy, Uh, this generation that that 422 00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:36,640 Speaker 1: that I deal with, it's almost this and Dr Chloe 423 00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:39,440 Speaker 1: can speak more to this, but it's this the sensitization 424 00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:43,000 Speaker 1: that's taken place for me and I work in probably 425 00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:47,080 Speaker 1: with some must graphic gory things that you can possibly imagine. 426 00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:52,360 Speaker 1: And now it's the world has changed so much, um 427 00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:57,240 Speaker 1: and I really this That's why this particular case particularly 428 00:28:57,320 --> 00:29:03,200 Speaker 1: frightens me because it is it's just a total dismission 429 00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:06,280 Speaker 1: or dismissive of of of human life. It just it's 430 00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:09,200 Speaker 1: reduced it down to this such horror. I know that 431 00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:12,040 Speaker 1: a lot of times people don't identify with an elderly 432 00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:17,040 Speaker 1: victim as much as they would like a younger victim psay, 433 00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:21,240 Speaker 1: college age or somebody. Most listeners or viewers can relate 434 00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:26,600 Speaker 1: to their age. But I really identify with this elderly 435 00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:30,360 Speaker 1: victim because he reminds me so much of my dad, 436 00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:36,280 Speaker 1: and I'm projecting my dad's reaction onto him. And you know, 437 00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:39,560 Speaker 1: Joe Scott, it's one thing to lose a loved one. 438 00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:43,880 Speaker 1: It's another thing to lose somebody you love to violence, 439 00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:47,760 Speaker 1: which is always senseless. And I know that firsthand from 440 00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:53,600 Speaker 1: losing my fiance to murder, then later my dad to illness. 441 00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:58,480 Speaker 1: And what this family is going through to me is 442 00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:03,360 Speaker 1: a brutal I under also about Dr Chloe Carmichael uh, 443 00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:08,760 Speaker 1: creator of ask dr cc dot com. Dr Chloe. Why 444 00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:11,200 Speaker 1: does he a want to live it out online but 445 00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:14,920 Speaker 1: be want to blame his ex Joy, Why is it 446 00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:19,240 Speaker 1: her fault that he is committing murder and maybe fifteen others? Well, Nancy, 447 00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:23,040 Speaker 1: obviously it's not her fault, of course, but in his mind, 448 00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:27,480 Speaker 1: his really demented, sick mind, it is her fault because 449 00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:31,720 Speaker 1: she's the person who hurt him, and so therefore he 450 00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:35,720 Speaker 1: needs to show her how badly he's hurting, and that's 451 00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:38,920 Speaker 1: why he appears that that's why he's doing this according 452 00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:41,480 Speaker 1: to himself. So, um, it is true that we have 453 00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:46,080 Speaker 1: this deep personalization of human life that happens us often 454 00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:48,640 Speaker 1: more and more these days as people are on social media. 455 00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:51,520 Speaker 1: So it used to be, for example, an expression, oh 456 00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:54,560 Speaker 1: I feel like I'm dying. Oh I I feel like 457 00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:57,680 Speaker 1: I could just you know, ring somebody's neck. Today, well 458 00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:03,640 Speaker 1: now people are actually ariancing doing that online and there's 459 00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:08,160 Speaker 1: a deep personalization of human life. Um, And it really 460 00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:10,959 Speaker 1: does happen more and more because we see things on screen, 461 00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:14,680 Speaker 1: we see murders, we see things on TV with a 462 00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:19,080 Speaker 1: frequency that has never been experienced before, and there's actually 463 00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:23,640 Speaker 1: a detachment of the consequences and of the human life. 464 00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:26,760 Speaker 1: So now again, what somebody used to just do is say, well, 465 00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:29,440 Speaker 1: I feel like to Chloe dor Chloe, dumb me down. 466 00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:32,959 Speaker 1: For me, you're losing me, Okay, absolutely, So, just like 467 00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:35,360 Speaker 1: you're saying, Nancy, is that he's got this rage and 468 00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:38,040 Speaker 1: he used to just want people used to just say, well, 469 00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:40,960 Speaker 1: I feel like I could ring somebody's neck, And now 470 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:43,880 Speaker 1: they're actually doing it because they've seen it on screen 471 00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:47,560 Speaker 1: a thousand times by the time people are ten years old, 472 00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:50,479 Speaker 1: they're seeing it on television, and now they're seeing it 473 00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:53,800 Speaker 1: on social media, and there's just a lack of understanding 474 00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:56,960 Speaker 1: about the actual human life behind it now like there 475 00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:59,800 Speaker 1: used to be before. Well, one thing I know too, 476 00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:05,760 Speaker 1: Joe Scott, Joe, I when I would prosecute and even 477 00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:09,600 Speaker 1: now I do look for somebody to blame. I do. 478 00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:12,320 Speaker 1: I want to know who caused this bad thing and 479 00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:16,640 Speaker 1: really how I can stop it from happening again. So 480 00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:20,480 Speaker 1: you've seen so many crimes as of all of us. 481 00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:23,960 Speaker 1: I guess he's looking for somebody to blame. So he 482 00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:27,480 Speaker 1: blames his ex that broke up with him. Yeah, you know, 483 00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:30,520 Speaker 1: And and the rationale always escapes you. I mean, how 484 00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:33,320 Speaker 1: many times if you and I sat that crime scenes 485 00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:35,640 Speaker 1: are in court and you're sitting there and you're completely 486 00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:38,280 Speaker 1: befuddled and you're scratching your head and saying, why did 487 00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:40,840 Speaker 1: why did this waste have to take place? I mean, 488 00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:43,640 Speaker 1: what what is it that you were so absent of 489 00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:46,400 Speaker 1: in your life that you had to go out and 490 00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:50,440 Speaker 1: lash out at at these at these innocent people. I was, 491 00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:52,520 Speaker 1: you know, I was working at the Medical Examiner's office 492 00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:56,600 Speaker 1: in Atlanta when we had the television on and uh 493 00:32:56,640 --> 00:33:00,880 Speaker 1: in the Oklahoma City bombing took place. And I had 494 00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:03,320 Speaker 1: a lot of friends that deployed out there and worked 495 00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:05,280 Speaker 1: on that case. And and that was one of the 496 00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:09,000 Speaker 1: things that that consistently came up over and over and 497 00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:11,920 Speaker 1: over again. They when those friends mine that were out 498 00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:15,000 Speaker 1: there that bore witness to this thing, they're thinking why, why, 499 00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:17,880 Speaker 1: why did this have to happen? The stories that they 500 00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:20,200 Speaker 1: would tell about those kids being killed in that nursery 501 00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:22,720 Speaker 1: up there when that bomb went off. And you know, 502 00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:25,560 Speaker 1: and you sit there as practitioner, and you wonder day 503 00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:28,040 Speaker 1: after day, and if you if you wonder, and this 504 00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:30,600 Speaker 1: is another you know, this is a dangerous thing for 505 00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:33,200 Speaker 1: us all to do. They're involved in this practice. You 506 00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:35,239 Speaker 1: get to the point where you get worn out with 507 00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:38,360 Speaker 1: why and you have to revert back to how you know, 508 00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:40,800 Speaker 1: how did it happen? And that helps you a little 509 00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:44,360 Speaker 1: bit better, just the science of it. But you go 510 00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:47,200 Speaker 1: crazy just wondering about why because there there is no 511 00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:50,560 Speaker 1: answer to this. And speaking of the ex girlfriend who 512 00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:54,560 Speaker 1: was with him, I believe about three years this joy Lane. 513 00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:58,520 Speaker 1: Here is what she had to say to Local Fox eight. 514 00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:01,440 Speaker 1: Listen of the hashtags joy Lane, joy Lane, massacre. I 515 00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:03,640 Speaker 1: don't know if I know how to be joy Lane anymore. 516 00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:06,480 Speaker 1: I don't know, um how to pick up all the 517 00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:09,239 Speaker 1: pieces of my world at the moment. I did try 518 00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:11,640 Speaker 1: to call him for people who were asking me like 519 00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:14,799 Speaker 1: call him, call him. I did um call him. He 520 00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:16,960 Speaker 1: didn't answer. The last time I talked to him with 521 00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:20,959 Speaker 1: Saturday night, around nine o'clock, we talked and he told 522 00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:23,840 Speaker 1: me he had quit his job and he was leaving 523 00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:27,160 Speaker 1: the state. I've got a lot of negative comments. I've 524 00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:30,000 Speaker 1: been called almost every cussword in the book. I've been 525 00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:32,719 Speaker 1: told that, um, I'm the one who should have died, 526 00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:35,439 Speaker 1: he should have killed me. But Lane says she has 527 00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:40,120 Speaker 1: also had a lot of support from family, friends and strangers, 528 00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:45,160 Speaker 1: including the family of Robert Godwin Sr. They met for 529 00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:51,319 Speaker 1: the first time Tuesday. I hug you tell you not 530 00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:55,279 Speaker 1: your fault. We love you, thank you. It is really 531 00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:57,720 Speaker 1: wanted to send. Lincoln Bonan says, and I'm very sorry 532 00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:02,000 Speaker 1: to talk to you guys. Sorry you not your fault. 533 00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:06,160 Speaker 1: Hard because I I feel, I feel bad. I feel 534 00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:08,719 Speaker 1: you know, the last thing that he would have said 535 00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:10,799 Speaker 1: was my name and didn't know me or why he 536 00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:13,640 Speaker 1: was saying it. And that's been difficult. Our father was 537 00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:19,000 Speaker 1: our rock and snatched from us. And we don't hold 538 00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:24,560 Speaker 1: any ill foolings towards you, not even towards Steve. Um. 539 00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:28,120 Speaker 1: I'm angry with him, yes, but I forgive him Alan. 540 00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:30,640 Speaker 1: Let's go now to the police presser. A little bit 541 00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:36,480 Speaker 1: after eleven today, UH Pennsylvania State Police officers received a 542 00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:39,840 Speaker 1: tip that the vehicle that we were looking for, the 543 00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:43,600 Speaker 1: white Ford Fusion, was in a McDonald's parking lot UH 544 00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:49,200 Speaker 1: near Erie p A. Those officers responded, the vehicle fled 545 00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:51,760 Speaker 1: from that area. There was a short pursuit in which 546 00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:54,920 Speaker 1: the vehicle was stopped. As the officers approached that vehicle, 547 00:35:55,160 --> 00:36:00,360 Speaker 1: Steve Stevens took his own life injury. That is a 548 00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:04,400 Speaker 1: bad thing. Um. I don't I wouldn't say a higher 549 00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:07,359 Speaker 1: level of alert, but we did have people actually on 550 00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:10,560 Speaker 1: the ground in that area on several occasions, looking at 551 00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:13,840 Speaker 1: not only the surrounding area, but that immediate area for 552 00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:20,759 Speaker 1: the pain. No, not accluding police presidence, but our our 553 00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:23,960 Speaker 1: federal partners were engaged in that area. I'm at the 554 00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:27,800 Speaker 1: point watching Nat. We would like to have brought Steven 555 00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:30,960 Speaker 1: peacefully and really talked to him to find out exactly 556 00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:33,239 Speaker 1: why this happened, because there may be other people out 557 00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:36,640 Speaker 1: there that are in similar situations that we can help 558 00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:40,279 Speaker 1: um by finding out why he did what he did 559 00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:44,279 Speaker 1: and what kind of drove him to this. And now 560 00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:47,320 Speaker 1: we head to Chicago with the same question, if it 561 00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:51,120 Speaker 1: doesn't happen on Facebook live, doesn't happen at all, because 562 00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:56,280 Speaker 1: in yet another jurisdiction, Chicago, a two year old tat 563 00:36:56,280 --> 00:37:02,640 Speaker 1: boy shot dead on Facebook Live and it's being videoed. 564 00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:07,800 Speaker 1: I don't get it. Lavon White, just two years old, 565 00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:14,040 Speaker 1: dies after a shooting in Chicago. You know, Joseph Scott Morgan. 566 00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:18,960 Speaker 1: This case is so upsetting. The Ant was riding in 567 00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:23,440 Speaker 1: a car along with the Todd and the ants twenty 568 00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:27,560 Speaker 1: six year old boyfriend in the in Braun daylight. A 569 00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:31,080 Speaker 1: gunman cuts them off, gets oute of the car and 570 00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:36,760 Speaker 1: opens fire on their vehicle and it's all caught on 571 00:37:36,920 --> 00:38:12,320 Speaker 1: Facebook Live. Listen to the video recommon we God spaks 572 00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:27,160 Speaker 1: that I think thank you all right, right, hey we 573 00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:38,640 Speaker 1: good red No, No, I don't cool man, and that 574 00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:45,520 Speaker 1: I signed out, Oh my god in a bad and 575 00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:56,880 Speaker 1: a bad I'm not going please please, I can't agree. 576 00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:01,360 Speaker 1: I can't believe it. The video starts with the music 577 00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:04,920 Speaker 1: and the car and they're just riding along at sunny outside. 578 00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:10,799 Speaker 1: About three minutes in, the sing along turns deadly when 579 00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:15,680 Speaker 1: you hear shots ringing out. The woman jumps out of 580 00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:18,680 Speaker 1: the car, scrambles out. Really, she's not jumping, she can't. 581 00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:23,200 Speaker 1: She runs out and starts begging for people to let 582 00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:25,719 Speaker 1: her into their home. And she's screaming called nine one one. 583 00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:28,600 Speaker 1: They killed him. I've got a bullet in my stomach. 584 00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:33,400 Speaker 1: I mean, they're minding their own business. Joseph's got Morgan. 585 00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:36,279 Speaker 1: The reality as while all this is happening, the two 586 00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:39,799 Speaker 1: year old Todd is bleeding out, dying. Yeah, these things 587 00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:43,200 Speaker 1: don't don't happen in a vacuum, Nancy. One moment, they're 588 00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:46,760 Speaker 1: just traveling down the road, minding their own their lives, streaming, 589 00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:50,160 Speaker 1: which a lot of people do now anyway, innocently listening 590 00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:53,240 Speaker 1: to music and the world just shatters and blows apart 591 00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:57,440 Speaker 1: with with gunfire. Uh. This is not a clean event. 592 00:39:57,520 --> 00:39:59,840 Speaker 1: It's not what people think that it is. This is 593 00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:04,399 Speaker 1: the frenetic nature of of of of a shooting. Uh. 594 00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:08,800 Speaker 1: Just and it's it's beyond the pale. This this little 595 00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:13,120 Speaker 1: two year old kid is literally bleeding out in that vehicle. 596 00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:17,120 Speaker 1: This woman running away in in horror, trying to find 597 00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:19,600 Speaker 1: somebody that will help her and show mercy to her 598 00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:24,360 Speaker 1: horrible set of circumstances, knees, and she's four months pregnant 599 00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:27,839 Speaker 1: and is shot in the stomach. To Dr Chloe Carmichael, 600 00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:32,840 Speaker 1: New York psychologist, creator of Aska dr cc dot com, 601 00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:39,120 Speaker 1: I'm looking right now at a happy second birthday card. Uh, 602 00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:43,239 Speaker 1: this sweet little boy Lavan, and he's all dressed in 603 00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:48,200 Speaker 1: blue with royal blue tennis shoes and blue jeans and 604 00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:53,840 Speaker 1: a blue shirt and so well taken care of with 605 00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:58,399 Speaker 1: a big smile. He was loved so much, and it's 606 00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:01,160 Speaker 1: just over just like that. To Chloe, it's really hard 607 00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:03,320 Speaker 1: for me to get my mind around it then to 608 00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:08,880 Speaker 1: know it was it was posted. The murder was posted online. 609 00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:12,480 Speaker 1: Nancy it is. It's hard to even fathom, you know 610 00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:15,960 Speaker 1: that the idea that this would be happening, and you 611 00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:19,840 Speaker 1: know why people would be viewing this type of material. Um. 612 00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:22,239 Speaker 1: You know, one thought is that it might be kind 613 00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:27,760 Speaker 1: of a misguided attempt um at at trying to um 614 00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:30,600 Speaker 1: bear witness to this. You know, people don't want to 615 00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:34,800 Speaker 1: just turn away from something like this, and so um 616 00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:39,320 Speaker 1: you know, if it's there, sometimes people feel just compelled 617 00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:43,000 Speaker 1: to watch it. Um. But what I think is really 618 00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:46,160 Speaker 1: frightening is the idea that on a certain level, it's 619 00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:49,960 Speaker 1: almost normalizing this type of thing, which is which is 620 00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:53,200 Speaker 1: terrible in terms of our society. And now we go 621 00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:59,800 Speaker 1: to suburban Carpentersville where a Facebook live a so called 622 00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:06,640 Speaker 1: ace book live torture case occurs. To John Linley cry Stories, 623 00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:10,760 Speaker 1: investigative reporter, what happened. An eighteen year old victim dropped 624 00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:15,120 Speaker 1: off at a McDonald's in suburban uh Stream, would Illinois 625 00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:18,640 Speaker 1: by his parents. The victim knew one of the suspects 626 00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:21,960 Speaker 1: before the incident occurred, as the two had attended the 627 00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:26,279 Speaker 1: same high school and the victim had mistakenly thought that 628 00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:30,480 Speaker 1: the two were friends. When the victim went to the McDonald's. 629 00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:33,600 Speaker 1: He had the intention of spending time with this friend. 630 00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:37,920 Speaker 1: The victim's parents filed a report that he was missing. 631 00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:41,200 Speaker 1: This is what we know. In the suburban area of Carpentersville. 632 00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:47,400 Speaker 1: Four people now accused of a four plus our attack 633 00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:55,760 Speaker 1: on an eighteen year old who had mental illness. And 634 00:42:55,800 --> 00:43:01,040 Speaker 1: what's so ironic about it is this mentally illan had 635 00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:04,439 Speaker 1: been friends with one of his tormentors before, police say, 636 00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:09,799 Speaker 1: a quote play fight happened. So the four come upon 637 00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:16,319 Speaker 1: this guy with a lot of different mental illnesses, and 638 00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:22,919 Speaker 1: they get him, and they take him and begin torturing him. 639 00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:28,200 Speaker 1: To Joe Scott Morgan, forensics expert, when I say torture him, 640 00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:33,120 Speaker 1: they were beating him over four hours, putting his head 641 00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:37,720 Speaker 1: down a filthy toilet into it, and they were live 642 00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:44,000 Speaker 1: streaming the whole thing on Facebook, live streaming it. Despicable 643 00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:48,880 Speaker 1: torture case. It all started with two friends quote hanging out. 644 00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:52,759 Speaker 1: What went wrong? Joe Scott? What do you know? A 645 00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:59,360 Speaker 1: guy and disabled many ill teen ends up blooded and beaten, 646 00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:03,480 Speaker 1: ending up wearing nothing but an inside out tank top, 647 00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:11,759 Speaker 1: uh sandals and shorts freezing. What what happened? How did 648 00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:15,200 Speaker 1: it go so wrong? Joe Scott. Let's use the word 649 00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:19,760 Speaker 1: lured here, Nancy, Uh, and this goes to specific intent. 650 00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:25,000 Speaker 1: They this group of people, one who knew this poor 651 00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:29,640 Speaker 1: mentally disabled man from school, lured him into this situation 652 00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:35,320 Speaker 1: and it was all for their sadistic their sadistic uh 653 00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:39,080 Speaker 1: torture of this guy. Took him in to this place. 654 00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:43,799 Speaker 1: There were four of them, held his head in a 655 00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:50,440 Speaker 1: toilet while railing on him with racial epithets, made him 656 00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:54,279 Speaker 1: drink from the toilet, punched him, kicked him, slapped him, 657 00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:56,640 Speaker 1: and and then, Nancy, I think one of the most 658 00:44:56,680 --> 00:45:00,120 Speaker 1: humiliating things that they did to this guy is they 659 00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:05,840 Speaker 1: actually began to cut his hair off, which left left 660 00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:10,440 Speaker 1: cuts in his scalp. Just the ultimate and the demeaning 661 00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:14,000 Speaker 1: of a fellow human being. They live's treatment on Facebook, 662 00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:18,360 Speaker 1: showing the mentally ill teen boy with his hands tied, 663 00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:23,080 Speaker 1: his mouth covered and gagged. People are cutting his clothes 664 00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:27,520 Speaker 1: off while they are laughing. In the videos, somebody takes 665 00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:30,520 Speaker 1: a knife to his head and cuts his scalp, leaving 666 00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:35,560 Speaker 1: him bleeding. They're laughing and shouting and joking and slapping 667 00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:40,800 Speaker 1: him in the face, putting cigarette ashes on his bleeding wounds, 668 00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:44,600 Speaker 1: forcing his head down in a filthy toilet and making 669 00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:54,919 Speaker 1: him drink from it, all posted live stream. Listen, why 670 00:45:54,920 --> 00:46:22,760 Speaker 1: are you doing, dam why are you doing? Oh? My brother? 671 00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:35,120 Speaker 1: Huh you speaking y'all in the trump It all started 672 00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:39,440 Speaker 1: when they mentally ill victims parents dropped him as they 673 00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:43,799 Speaker 1: did often at a local McDonald's. Okay, that that's how 674 00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:46,880 Speaker 1: the whole thing happened, and he ended up being stuffed 675 00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:52,320 Speaker 1: in a van and driven driven around the neighborhood two 676 00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:58,239 Speaker 1: days the kids reported missing. It just gets worse and 677 00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:03,200 Speaker 1: worse and worse. But it all lived on Facebook Live 678 00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:07,520 Speaker 1: and has been watched over and over and over as 679 00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:11,160 Speaker 1: police try to put the pieces of the puzzle together. 680 00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:15,440 Speaker 1: Let me be very clear, the actions in that video 681 00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:23,520 Speaker 1: are reprehensible that, along with racism, have absolutely no place 682 00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:27,279 Speaker 1: in the city of Chicago or anywhere else for that matter, 683 00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:34,440 Speaker 1: against anyone, regardless of their race, gender, state of mental health, 684 00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:38,120 Speaker 1: or any other identifying factor. I'm pleased to announce that 685 00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:41,880 Speaker 1: the investigation has concluded and charges have been approved by 686 00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:47,279 Speaker 1: the Cook County States Attorney for hate crimes, aggravated kidnapping, 687 00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:53,800 Speaker 1: aggravated unlawful restraint, an aggravated battery with a deadly weapon 688 00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:57,600 Speaker 1: against all four of the offenders and customs take a 689 00:47:57,640 --> 00:48:00,440 Speaker 1: listen to this. We're so grateful for all of prayers 690 00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:03,120 Speaker 1: and efforts that led to the safer term of our brother. 691 00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:06,520 Speaker 1: We're fully aware of the charges being brought against the 692 00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:12,160 Speaker 1: offenders at this time. We asked for continued prayers for 693 00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:15,200 Speaker 1: all those involved and for our families privacy as we 694 00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:22,359 Speaker 1: cope and heal. We appreciate all the support from everyone. Um, 695 00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:25,799 Speaker 1: we haven't spoken anyone really but each other, but we've 696 00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:30,080 Speaker 1: read what's uh, what's out there, and we really appreciate it. 697 00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:37,280 Speaker 1: We're overwhelmed and surprised. Um, we're happy that everyone's concerned. Yeah, 698 00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:41,400 Speaker 1: this should never happen. It's happening. It's the new world order, 699 00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:47,760 Speaker 1: the world of technology, life playing out on Facebook Live 700 00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:53,839 Speaker 1: and Periscope and snapchat. It's all happening. Now, what are 701 00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:59,120 Speaker 1: we going to do about it? Nancy Grace Crime Stories 702 00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:01,600 Speaker 1: signing off, Goodbye friend,