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Speaker 1: First question we asked everybody who come on the show

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Speaker 1: when you first got to the NBA, who was the

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Speaker 1: first person to bushow as, Who was the first person

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Speaker 1: to like show you like this is the highest level

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Speaker 1: of the playoff?

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Speaker 2: Oh? That was. There was a lot of them. Actually,

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Speaker 2: before I got into the NBA, all the pros would

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Speaker 2: come back to Chicago and play. But I would say

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Speaker 2: my first guy probably was Mo.

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Speaker 3: Cheeks Chicago, Yeah, fellow Chicago.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: We my first couple of games I played, well, we

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Speaker 2: opened up against Milwaukee. Quinn Buckner actually played against him

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Speaker 2: my first game and did alright my first game. But

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Speaker 2: Quinn was somebody that you really idolized because, yeah, he

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Speaker 2: went to thorn Ridge, you know, was undefeated at thorn Ridge,

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Speaker 2: didn't lose in high school.

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Speaker 3: Known as one of the greatest teams install history.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and then he goes to Indiana and go was

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Speaker 2: undefeated at Indiana, you know, high school, in college.

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Speaker 4: You know, we don't talk about that.

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, it's like Quinn. In my opinion, Quinn

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Speaker 2: don't get enough respect as a winner, you know, and

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Speaker 2: in the model that he established. So that was my

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Speaker 2: first game. So I'm walking out and I'm looking at

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Speaker 2: him like this is gonna be a bad night for

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Speaker 2: lucky enough, I did alright that night, and then you know,

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Speaker 2: I had a couple of good games, and then we

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Speaker 2: played Philly and and more cheek stepped on the court

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Speaker 2: and you know, so all my Chicago, my one two

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Speaker 2: between the legs, my cross over all that. He just

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Speaker 2: sat there like I ain't going but.

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Speaker 3: None of yo yo yo live on location. We in

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Speaker 3: at atl Shoty. I got the blackest one with me

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Speaker 3: d Miles and this is a very special one. Then

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Speaker 3: did to my heart because I got my og no

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Speaker 3: man Zeke Isaiah Thomas Man, the legendary shot Town Ball

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Speaker 3: of Hall of Fame. Don't be distracted. We live on location.

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Speaker 3: It's a little noisy outside. They doing something outside the CNAN.

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Speaker 4: Towers here were straight.

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Speaker 3: We got the legend in the building, Isaiah International chad Or.

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Speaker 1: When I was in high school, one of the accomplishments

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Speaker 1: that I had was playing against your coach at Saint

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Speaker 1: Joe High School. And one of the biggest things that

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Speaker 1: I always took with me. After the game we played them,

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Speaker 1: he told me he admired how good I played the game.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and that was like an accompliment.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, this is Isaiah Thomas head coach, the history,

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Speaker 1: I know so much about him and so far, and

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Speaker 1: just to play that they beat us. And I think

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Speaker 1: that was his last championship in Illinois. I think that

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Speaker 1: was what I want to say, two thousand maybe it

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Speaker 1: was two thousand ninety nine, right, that was the last

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Speaker 1: championship your coach won. What made you choose Saint Joe's

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Speaker 1: as a high school to go to?

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Speaker 2: That actually was really my last choice in my mom

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Speaker 2: and my brothers then actually chose it for me, which

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Speaker 2: they did my whole path. I originally wanted to go

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Speaker 2: to Weber or Gordon Tech. My brothers played in the

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Speaker 2: Catholic League. My oldest brother, Lord Henry still has one

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Speaker 2: of the highest scoring games in the Catholic League. And

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Speaker 2: so I grew up, you know, he went to Saint Phillips.

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Speaker 2: The Paul at that time was a high school. The

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Speaker 2: Paul was a high school in the college. Then they

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Speaker 2: had like Ola, they had Fenwick, so forth and so on.

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Speaker 2: So that was my whole upbringing in terms of following

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Speaker 2: my older brother watching him play. So I wanted to

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Speaker 2: go to Weber or Gordon Tech. Leota Scott was at

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Speaker 2: Gordon Tech. And at Weber they had Ricky Wilson and

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Speaker 2: Derrick Thomas, and Derreck Thomas had went to Resurrection, I

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Speaker 2: mean his brother ended up going to Resurrection going to Indiana.

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Speaker 2: So I wanted to go to Weber, but I remember

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Speaker 2: coach you are was the coach there and Coach K.

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Speaker 2: I don't think a lot of people know that Coach

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Speaker 2: K went to Webber High School on the West Side.

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Speaker 2: So I remember taking a visit to Webber High School

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Speaker 2: and you know, I was like, this is where I

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Speaker 2: varsity coach looked at me and he said, you too

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Speaker 2: little man, but you're too small. I don't know if

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Speaker 2: to Gordon Tech the same thing. And there was a

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Speaker 2: Christmas tournament at Saint Joseph High School and my grade

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Speaker 2: school team, Resurrection was playing in it. You know, mister

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Speaker 2: Pingatore came over, introduced himself to you know, my mom

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Speaker 2: think he can come to school here. It was far man.

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Speaker 2: I you know, going from from the West side of

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Speaker 2: me and it took us two hours to get out

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Speaker 2: my mom, said the right things to my brothers, and

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Speaker 2: for you know it, I was at Saint Joe's.

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Speaker 1: Him as a coach like this, he's one of the

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Speaker 1: best coach ever to coach in Illinois history. His program

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Speaker 1: like for over thirty forty years that he didn't built

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Speaker 1: in the players that he didne brought out there. What

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Speaker 1: from his program that you took from it to prepare

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Speaker 1: you to go to Indiana, like to go to the

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Speaker 1: next level, because I know you had a lot of

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Speaker 2: I was fortunate enough to play for three coaches who

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Speaker 2: all had the same belief system. So my bitty basketball

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Speaker 2: coach Johnny Gage, he believed in passing game where you passed, move,

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Speaker 2: cut and it was basically free flowing. So what they

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Speaker 2: call positionless basketball now, that's what we were playing back

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Speaker 2: you the you know, so the label of positionless basketball.

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Speaker 2: I was playing that way in grade school. Then when

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Speaker 2: I went to high school, mister Pingatore, that's remember they

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Speaker 2: used to call it passing game, and that's the way

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Speaker 2: he played and that's what he taught. And then when

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Speaker 2: I went to Indiana, that's where coach Knight taught, you know, pass, move, cut, think,

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Speaker 2: free flowing. So I never grew up in the system

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Speaker 2: where we had plays like I never only time I

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Speaker 2: the only time I ever ran pick and roll is

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Speaker 2: when I got to the NBA, because most of the

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Speaker 2: time you was passing, moving, cutting, setting screens, moving without

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Speaker 2: me the playbook. It's like, what is this. I had

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Speaker 2: never seen a playbook before, you know. And if you

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Speaker 2: all games that we played at Indiana or even against

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Speaker 2: when you played against my high school coach, they never

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Speaker 2: know your teammates tendencies is what you were really taught.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like the reason they beat us at

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Speaker 1: State the adjustments he made throughout the game, like he

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Speaker 1: steady made adjustments, Like it was like something he did

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Speaker 1: in the first quart you didn't see it in the second,

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Speaker 1: third or fourth. Yeah, just to be in that scenery

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Speaker 4: But like Indiana, Yeah, it could have.

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Speaker 1: Been anybody else, like Bobby Knight. Indiana, like our skin

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Speaker 4: Really run that way to you.

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Speaker 1: But for you to go to and had a success story,

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Speaker 1: what made you choose Indiana?

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Speaker 4: So was it anybody else? They could have got you?

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Speaker 2: So I was supposed to go to De Paul and

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Speaker 2: Barcah whah. So Marca Guire and I we literally grew

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Speaker 2: just they had Terry Cummins, Teddy Grubbs and myself. We

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Speaker 2: were all going to join Mark Orguire at DePaul and

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Speaker 2: we have a powerhouse. Crazy, you know. Ray Meyer was

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Speaker 2: recruiting me and then Coach and I came to the house.

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Speaker 2: I never forget that visit. Coach and I came to

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Speaker 2: the house. And you know, when you're getting recruited out

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Speaker 2: of high school. I mean, we was dirt poor, and

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Speaker 2: couldn't tell the recruiters, hey man, we ain't got no

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Speaker 2: lights at right. And I'll never forget this. One coach

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Speaker 2: had a briefcase, opened up the briefcase and now he

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Speaker 2: said it was one hundred thousand dollars in there. Now,

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Speaker 2: I had never seen in one hundred thousand dollars in

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Speaker 2: it could have been fifty. It could have been fifty

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Speaker 2: So we jumping up and down, we high fiving and

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Speaker 2: We got that jug of water that's sitting in the

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Speaker 2: him out. Everybody was offering us everything, playing time, you're

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Speaker 2: in with Wayne Embury and Quinn Buckner and I was like, okay,

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Speaker 2: you know so that so that just set the tone there.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and you.

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Speaker 2: Know, he had his jacket on and we sat down

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Speaker 2: and during the whole time that he was recruiting me,

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Speaker 2: he never talked to me. He was talking directly to

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Speaker 2: my mother and he said, and I'll never forget, he said,

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Speaker 2: I'm off for you and your son. Three things. He said,

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Speaker 2: A's going to be a gentleman. B I'll teach him

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Speaker 2: everything that I know about basketball, and see he'll get

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Speaker 2: a great education. And me and my brothers we were

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Speaker 2: sitting around. We looked at each other. He was like, well,

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Speaker 2: we ain't going to Indiana and yeah, and before you

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Speaker 2: know it, you know, my mom was kind of shaking

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Speaker 2: that during that period of time, you know, you you say, hey,

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Speaker 2: you had the press conference. I made my decision. I'm

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Speaker 2: going to a blank school. Right my mom called the

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Speaker 2: press conference. Me and her were sitting there. She said,

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Speaker 2: my son has made his decision. He's going to Indiana University.

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Speaker 2: Your mama, No, my mama. Now I never heard no.

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't even smile. You know. I had never been

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Speaker 2: I made the PanAm team and I hadn't even graduated

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Speaker 2: If you lucky enough to get here to Detroit, he say,

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Speaker 4: And he was right, right right the bad boys team.

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Speaker 1: You get this label as a bad boys team, y'all

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Speaker 2: You know, I'm glad you say the team that we

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Speaker 2: stood for and what we still stand for today in

435
00:23:56,920 --> 00:24:01,920
Speaker 2: terms of team over individuals. That has stood the test

436
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:05,560
Speaker 2: of time and it's still you know, how can I

437
00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:08,800
Speaker 2: say it is, in my opinion, what the game should

438
00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:09,200
Speaker 2: be about.

439
00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:12,720
Speaker 3: Talk about how like you know, we're from Chicago, so

440
00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:16,200
Speaker 3: everybody know you, seeing you play everything about you it

441
00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:18,960
Speaker 3: is toughness, you know what I'm saying. From stitches in

442
00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:21,480
Speaker 3: the eye whatever, just the way you played on sprying

443
00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:25,520
Speaker 3: ankle balling out in the finals, legendary like talk about

444
00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:27,680
Speaker 3: like where we come from and where you come from

445
00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:30,160
Speaker 3: in particular, because I claim where you come from a little.

446
00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:31,040
Speaker 4: Tougher in my neighborhood.

447
00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:34,119
Speaker 3: So talk about how that just got you prepared for

448
00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:36,680
Speaker 3: you know, not only the NBA or college, but life

449
00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:38,879
Speaker 3: in general. For you know, coming from the city and

450
00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:40,480
Speaker 3: coming from where we come from.

451
00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:43,639
Speaker 2: I grew up on the West Side of Chicago, and

452
00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:47,320
Speaker 2: in the West side of Chicago. Is that it's that

453
00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:51,119
Speaker 2: side of town that the tourists don't talk about.

454
00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:52,040
Speaker 4: You know what I mean.

455
00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:54,840
Speaker 2: It's like when people talk about Chicago, it's the south side,

456
00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:57,800
Speaker 2: and you know, everything happens on the south side, and

457
00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:01,080
Speaker 2: the West Side is like that place where the Expressway

458
00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:04,639
Speaker 2: runs through, you know, and you know we grew up

459
00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:08,280
Speaker 2: you know again, we was dirt poor and I grew

460
00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:11,680
Speaker 2: up every single day my first thought waking up in

461
00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:16,840
Speaker 2: the morning was where can I get some food? Really

462
00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:20,000
Speaker 2: was that was my first thought every day, Like where

463
00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:23,399
Speaker 2: can I get something to eat? And you know, I

464
00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:26,080
Speaker 2: can get it on the way to school. I can

465
00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:31,520
Speaker 2: steal somebody lunch at school, you know, And then you

466
00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:34,080
Speaker 2: had to fight on your way to school and on

467
00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:37,560
Speaker 2: your way back from school. And you know, the way

468
00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:41,040
Speaker 2: the way all of us grew up, particularly in Chicago,

469
00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:44,600
Speaker 2: you literally had to walk out your door and you

470
00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:48,400
Speaker 2: had to look across the street and make that decision

471
00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:51,840
Speaker 2: if that guy who was standing across the street, if

472
00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:55,040
Speaker 2: he's gonna let you walk by, or if it was

473
00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:58,840
Speaker 2: gonna be a fight. And if you didn't guess right

474
00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:02,640
Speaker 2: on that day, you could die. You could literally die.

475
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:08,080
Speaker 2: So your your decision making skills got sharpened, they got honed.

476
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:10,960
Speaker 2: And and if you looked at that guy and you

477
00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:13,880
Speaker 2: was like, Okay, well I'm across the street, and then

478
00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:16,240
Speaker 2: he crossed the street too, then you just got to

479
00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:18,000
Speaker 2: go back the other way. You got to find another

480
00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:18,679
Speaker 2: way to school.

481
00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:21,440
Speaker 4: He definitely knows the warning signs growing up, how we

482
00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:21,919
Speaker 4: grew up.

483
00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:24,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, so and and then you had to learn to fight.

484
00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:30,119
Speaker 2: So and I and I got good at fighting, and

485
00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:36,960
Speaker 2: I actually, yeah, and I actually start enjoying fighting. I

486
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:40,399
Speaker 2: remember I took karate right and I got all the

487
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:42,040
Speaker 2: way up to my black belt. And you know, you

488
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:45,639
Speaker 2: have to fight each time to get your belt. And

489
00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:47,720
Speaker 2: I'll never forget. I was standing there and I was

490
00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:49,840
Speaker 2: getting ready to fight this dude named Jerry, and he

491
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:51,399
Speaker 2: was a black belt, and I was I had got

492
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:53,159
Speaker 2: my purple and I was fighting. You gotta fight to

493
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:57,040
Speaker 2: get your black and and he broke out, you know

494
00:26:57,119 --> 00:26:59,159
Speaker 2: you bows and say, and he broke out into his

495
00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:06,520
Speaker 2: stuff and he looked at me. I was like, I

496
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 2: was like, this guy like because you know, you're supposed

497
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:12,480
Speaker 2: to hold your punches back and everything. And I was like, nah,

498
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:13,960
Speaker 2: this dude gonna hurt me.

499
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:14,400
Speaker 4: Man.

500
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:19,359
Speaker 2: I took my belt off and I was like, you know,

501
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:21,800
Speaker 2: I don't want the black belt that bad, you know,

502
00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:25,280
Speaker 2: because Jerry would hurt me. He looked like you know

503
00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:27,359
Speaker 2: how you look at somebody and they just you just know,

504
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:31,360
Speaker 2: like you up. Yeah, And I was like, I knew

505
00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:34,400
Speaker 2: I couldn't beat him, right, so I was like, nah,

506
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:38,200
Speaker 2: I'm done. But you know, fighting and trying to get food,

507
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 2: and then when you put that into playing. Whenever I played,

508
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 2: I just played with a certain amount of hunger and

509
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:49,879
Speaker 2: intensity and like I want to win. And that was

510
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 2: just in me that that was just the way I

511
00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:55,520
Speaker 2: played and the way I competed. And I you know,

512
00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:57,840
Speaker 2: I sit here today and I look at some of

513
00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:00,000
Speaker 2: them guys and they still mad at me thirty years.

514
00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, man, we was just you know, it's

515
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:07,000
Speaker 2: just a game. While you still mad, I don't know,

516
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:10,320
Speaker 2: It's like I don't understand, like what why are you

517
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:13,679
Speaker 2: so angry? Because all we was doing was I mean,

518
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:16,600
Speaker 2: you was playing, I was playing. You was competing. I

519
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:18,760
Speaker 2: was competing. Why are you still mad?

520
00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:20,320
Speaker 4: This was what it was.

521
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:24,159
Speaker 3: Yeah, So speak about how how special was it for

522
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:26,200
Speaker 3: because I know how tight I mean, you know me,

523
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:28,119
Speaker 3: I got to see you up close and personal planning

524
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:31,000
Speaker 3: for you and big homie. How special was that for

525
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:33,760
Speaker 3: you and Mark to have him be able to come

526
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:36,320
Speaker 3: join that, Like you say, y'all go way back, grew

527
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:38,520
Speaker 3: up two blocks from each other, and I know how

528
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:40,480
Speaker 3: tight the bond did. So for him to be able

529
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:42,360
Speaker 3: to come there then win a chip too and be

530
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:44,880
Speaker 3: a part of that, and y'all be together and doing that,

531
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:45,720
Speaker 3: how dope was that?

532
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:49,720
Speaker 2: We never would have won a championship if markcguirre don't

533
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:56,000
Speaker 2: come to our team. Markcguire basically flushed down the toilet

534
00:28:56,240 --> 00:29:01,000
Speaker 2: a Hall of Fame career to be a champion. Now

535
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:01,920
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say that again.

536
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, say a lot of for the people in the back.

537
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:11,280
Speaker 2: Because when Markaguire was with the Dallas Mavericks, averaging twenty

538
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:15,720
Speaker 2: seven points a night, All Star Game every year, going

539
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:19,320
Speaker 2: to the Western Conference Finals every year, taking the Lakers

540
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 2: to six seven games losing.

541
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:22,360
Speaker 4: Right.

542
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:27,360
Speaker 2: That was Markaguire in the Dallas Mavericks. Mark Aguire wanted

543
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:31,520
Speaker 2: to win a championship. He joins us in Detroit. When

544
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:35,240
Speaker 2: he comes over to Detroit, he looks at Dennis Robman

545
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:38,480
Speaker 2: and he goes, this dude can do some things that

546
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 2: I can't do, and he'll help us win more. The

547
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:49,080
Speaker 2: trade was made because Adrian Danley didn't want to accepts

548
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 2: lesser minutes and Robmin was you know, Dennis Robins, and

549
00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:59,040
Speaker 2: he was coming so much. He was coming. And so

550
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:01,840
Speaker 2: when Mark came, he looked at Robmin and he was like,

551
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:05,240
Speaker 2: I don't need to play forty minutes tonight. I'm good

552
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:10,280
Speaker 2: playing twenty twenty two minutes tonight. And I'll share keywords share,

553
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 2: I'll share the other time with Robman. That's when we

554
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 2: took off. That's when we started dominating the league because

555
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:23,120
Speaker 2: Rodman defensively, rebounding wise, he was doing stuff that nobody

556
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:27,920
Speaker 2: had seen before. If Mark was a selfish player, Mark

557
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:30,200
Speaker 2: is saying, no, I got to get my twenty six,

558
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:32,240
Speaker 2: I got to get my twenty seven points, I got

559
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:34,880
Speaker 2: to get my minutes, so forth and so on. Now

560
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:39,680
Speaker 2: the big picture, right, Mark Acguire has not been rewarded

561
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:46,040
Speaker 2: for being an NBA champion. Back to back NBA champion.

562
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:50,080
Speaker 2: Mark maguire would have been rewarded on the Hall of

563
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 2: Fame stage had he stayed in Dallas and averaged twenty

564
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:59,600
Speaker 2: seven points and lost in the Western Conference finals every year. Right,

565
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:05,280
Speaker 2: And this is the cruel sacrifices of winning that sometimes

566
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:08,720
Speaker 2: comes along with winning. You have to make some sacrifices.

567
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 2: And if Mark don't show up, Robmin never becomes Robin.

568
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:16,720
Speaker 2: We never become the back to back champions that we became.

569
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:21,160
Speaker 2: And it's not because Markaguire came in and average twenty

570
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:25,480
Speaker 2: seven points. It's because markacguire came and helped one of

571
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:26,560
Speaker 2: his teammates.

572
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 1: To be better, made that pusle be whole. Yeah, I

573
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:31,520
Speaker 1: feel like you know, of course were crazy bulls. Frian

574
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:34,880
Speaker 1: just renoyed, so was I but had to give it

575
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 1: to him. But just loving basketball and knowing the game,

576
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:41,520
Speaker 1: I feel like y'all team is one of the most

577
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 1: underrated team, if not the most underrated champions in the

578
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 1: league to me, because I feel like, you know, when

579
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:50,480
Speaker 1: them Celtics and them Lakers and the Chicago came along,

580
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 1: people just tend to forget about these two championships at

581
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 1: the roughest time possible that you came and pulled through.

582
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:01,240
Speaker 4: You fought adversity, like speak about the.

583
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:03,840
Speaker 1: Surroundings, like how a lot of people didn't want Detroit

584
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 1: to win championship. Definitely not know back to back championships

585
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:10,800
Speaker 1: and definitely not against the Lakers or beat the Celtics

586
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:14,120
Speaker 1: at this time. So how rebellious y'all was, and how

587
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:16,800
Speaker 1: much it meant at a time where all you seeing

588
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:20,080
Speaker 1: is Celtic championships. All you might get a seventy six

589
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:23,040
Speaker 1: is here, or then you got Lakers championships. But then

590
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:26,080
Speaker 1: Detroit come in and plant a flag in the eighties

591
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 1: years to what.

592
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:33,600
Speaker 2: We represented the league did not want to see. And

593
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:36,600
Speaker 2: what I mean by that is we were there. We

594
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 2: were the team that was rising, but were also the

595
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:43,560
Speaker 2: team that was talking about race, class, and gender. Not

596
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 2: only did we have a sports and basketball agenda, but

597
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:51,680
Speaker 2: we also had a political agenda along with all winning.

598
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 2: So when you started having those conversations and talking about

599
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:02,480
Speaker 2: you know, stereotypes, ray class. And then at that time,

600
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:04,680
Speaker 2: I was the vice president of the union, then became

601
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:08,320
Speaker 2: president of the Union. So the Pistons. When you look

602
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:12,480
Speaker 2: back through history. We were the first team to a

603
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:17,080
Speaker 2: change the color of our uniform because there was only

604
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 2: one color of jerseys. We started wearing the silver and black.

605
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 2: We made the connection with the Raiders, so we started

606
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:31,520
Speaker 2: showing up in silver and black. You know, warm up

607
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 2: you know, they were warm up shirts, but there was

608
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:36,760
Speaker 2: no such thing as a warm up shirt back then.

609
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 2: Then we played with you know, our labels, so to speak.

610
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:45,080
Speaker 2: So instead of it being the Pistons get we took

611
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:48,280
Speaker 2: the skull and crossbones and put it on the basketball.

612
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 2: So we started doing different things with the logo. And

613
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 2: then we upgraded the hotels. We're not staying in three

614
00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:59,600
Speaker 2: star hotels no more. We're gonna stay in five star hotels.

615
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:03,480
Speaker 2: It's forced the league now to say to the other teams,

616
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:06,880
Speaker 2: those other owners, okay, well we got to upgrade the

617
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:09,640
Speaker 2: living conditions. Now I know what I'm doing in terms

618
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:12,919
Speaker 2: of being in the Union and how this is going

619
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:17,879
Speaker 2: to affect benefits hotels. Travel. We were the first team

620
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:21,040
Speaker 2: to have our own team playing. We called it round

621
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:24,839
Speaker 2: ball one. So instead of us going to the airports,

622
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:29,400
Speaker 2: we started chartering. Then we started staying in better hotels

623
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:33,400
Speaker 2: Now the NBA followed all of that. They like to

624
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 2: say that, and this is no knock on the Celtics

625
00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:40,960
Speaker 2: of the Lakers. I'm I'm just spitting facts, and you

626
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:44,839
Speaker 2: can always go back and research. It's google able, yes,

627
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:48,160
Speaker 2: to see what I'm saying. So, when you look at

628
00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:53,840
Speaker 2: the eighties, the highest rated games of the eighties, Pistons

629
00:34:53,920 --> 00:35:00,600
Speaker 2: versus Lakers, Pistons versus Celtics, Pistons versus Bulls, now, all

630
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:03,719
Speaker 2: those things have one thing in common, and that's the

631
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:08,239
Speaker 2: Detroit Pistons. Now, those teams played against each other too,

632
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 2: but those weren't the highest rate of games. And when

633
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:20,920
Speaker 2: you talk about where the league moved from in eighty

634
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:24,760
Speaker 2: five to ninety in terms of the growth of the league,

635
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:29,080
Speaker 2: you can look at the merchandise that the Pistons were selling.

636
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:32,560
Speaker 2: You can look at the crowds that we were drawing

637
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:36,080
Speaker 2: in the TV ratings. I give the Celtics and the

638
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:39,960
Speaker 2: Lakers a lot of respect for what they did in

639
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 2: the eighties, but there was another team that really helped

640
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 2: that curve too, And it just wasn't the Lakers and

641
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:53,359
Speaker 2: the Celtics the biggest crowds that watched the basketball game.

642
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:57,600
Speaker 2: Those were happening at the Silver Dome in Detroit where

643
00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:01,759
Speaker 2: we was putting sixty thousand in forty fifty thousand in

644
00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:05,239
Speaker 2: and by the way, those sixty forty fifty they won

645
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:08,880
Speaker 2: against the Lakers or the Celtics or the Bulls.

646
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:13,279
Speaker 3: And another I can say I was a part of

647
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:16,759
Speaker 3: one part where you know, it's googleable, where he where

648
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:19,520
Speaker 3: I feel like you impacted a change in the league

649
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 3: when we was with the Knicks, when you started making

650
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:24,799
Speaker 3: us wear suits head to toe. We like people talk

651
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:27,160
Speaker 3: about the dress code, and you know, I feel like

652
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:29,240
Speaker 3: all of us that played that, we feel.

653
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:32,520
Speaker 4: Like it was a direct answer to what we were doing.

654
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 3: Because obviously the league offices and everybody there at all.

655
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:38,319
Speaker 4: Of the Knicks game every every time.

656
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:42,080
Speaker 3: So anytime we assemble for anything, you getting on the bus,

657
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:45,760
Speaker 3: you getting on the plane, anything as a team, full suit.

658
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:48,160
Speaker 4: Tied and we was hot, like.

659
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 3: Man, like we had man people had go getting go

660
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:54,400
Speaker 3: get some suits and all this.

661
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:57,759
Speaker 4: You in New York City. You can't be looking crazy, man.

662
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:02,919
Speaker 3: You got then like the thing that was crazy because

663
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 3: it was like literally we did that year one the

664
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 3: next year they implemented Lee Wag and we was like

665
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 3: we was like well, the rules that they even put

666
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:15,719
Speaker 3: the league on weren't even as firm as all. So

667
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:17,480
Speaker 3: we was like this don't matter. I can I can

668
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:19,839
Speaker 3: literally remember when I when I left and went went

669
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:21,320
Speaker 3: to the heat. I was like, man, this is the

670
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:23,239
Speaker 3: first time in like four years and I ain't gotta

671
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:26,319
Speaker 3: wear a full soup, like for real, I had so year,

672
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:28,920
Speaker 3: I had so many so I was like, this is crazy, man,

673
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 3: But like that was one hundred percent the fact, like

674
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 3: we did it, and then they did it cause they

675
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:35,560
Speaker 3: was like.

676
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 4: You know, it didn't matter. They was like, look, how

677
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:38,879
Speaker 4: y'all cause that was that was a Zeke thing.

678
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 3: So we used to be you know, hell, He like like, look,

679
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 3: y'all look good, y'all ready for whatever, Like y'all don't

680
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:48,239
Speaker 3: want to hear this from me, Like, but y'all look good.

681
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:50,080
Speaker 4: He was like, y'all do on the whole league.

682
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:50,239
Speaker 2: Look.

683
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:52,839
Speaker 1: I remember laughing at him the year before, like, boy,

684
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 1: y'all bought all them soups and all that stuff, and

685
00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:56,759
Speaker 1: I'm giving them a hard time.

686
00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:59,000
Speaker 4: And then the next year they changed the rule. So

687
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:01,279
Speaker 4: I gotta go in go to the same person that

688
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:03,960
Speaker 4: make my order for my ten suits and my walkers

689
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:04,800
Speaker 4: and all that stuff.

690
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 1: One of the questions I wanted to ask you, like

691
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 1: you and Joe Dumars is one of the best one

692
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 1: and two in the history of the game. You see

693
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:14,920
Speaker 1: one and two's out here now you see Steph and

694
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 1: Clay lust, if you see Dame Litter and c J

695
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 1: mcculor you know what I'm saying, You see these guys

696
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:22,480
Speaker 1: to see that combination, cause that was one of the

697
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:24,840
Speaker 1: things I loved about the old Piston team, You and

698
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 1: Joe Dumars. Yeah, you had all them guys that was

699
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:30,680
Speaker 1: rough and tough and rebounding and doing all that stuff.

700
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:34,560
Speaker 1: But you and Joe was like something to other speak

701
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:37,520
Speaker 1: about the relationship with you and Joe and how y'all

702
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:40,319
Speaker 1: got the chemistry to kind of feed off each other.

703
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:41,920
Speaker 1: Cause I used to look at the game and the

704
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:44,799
Speaker 1: looks y'all used to give each other like, Oh, it's

705
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:46,600
Speaker 1: your time, Oh it's my time, It's it's you know

706
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:48,520
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. And to see it now in the

707
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:51,160
Speaker 1: game today, where you got you know, Steph and Clay

708
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:54,000
Speaker 1: having so much success as you know, leading the team,

709
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:57,719
Speaker 1: being the one and two and Damon's CJ having the

710
00:38:57,800 --> 00:38:59,920
Speaker 1: success they have of going to the playoffs every year

711
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:05,279
Speaker 1: and they might need that one player like Maguire came

712
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:06,799
Speaker 1: in to put them over them.

713
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:08,960
Speaker 4: Look at what Dame doing. Now you're going on a

714
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:10,280
Speaker 4: tear right now again.

715
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:14,279
Speaker 2: To me, I measure everything about can you win and

716
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:18,719
Speaker 2: perform and play in the championship? Right and not just

717
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:20,960
Speaker 2: play in the championship, but can you win? Do you

718
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:24,800
Speaker 2: have the mentality to walk up in the arena in

719
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 2: somebody else's building, do you have the nerve to snatch

720
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:32,000
Speaker 2: that person's heart and faced? And you know, we use

721
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:35,960
Speaker 2: punching the face analogies, but we don't really mean punching

722
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:40,440
Speaker 2: the face, but we mean all mentality, all energy is

723
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:42,320
Speaker 2: gonna make you feel like we don punch you in

724
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:44,440
Speaker 2: the face. You know how you walk into a restaurant

725
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:48,480
Speaker 2: and or we or we let's say we we on

726
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 2: the court and were playing right, and it can be

727
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:54,120
Speaker 2: ten people that walk in and we like we're good.

728
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:56,320
Speaker 2: But then it's one guy that show up on the

729
00:39:56,400 --> 00:40:01,359
Speaker 2: court and were like, I think we got a go Now.

730
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:03,800
Speaker 2: That dude ain't say it none, but you feel his vibe,

731
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:06,920
Speaker 2: you feel his energy. So we tried to put that

732
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 2: energy into the opponent and Joe and I when we

733
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:15,920
Speaker 2: walked out on the floor, we wanted to every single

734
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:23,200
Speaker 2: night prove that we were better than you offensively and defensively.

735
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:26,840
Speaker 2: And by the way, if if one of us was

736
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:31,400
Speaker 2: in trouble defensively, then we would come and help. You know.

737
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:33,840
Speaker 2: It's like it's like we used to always say, Okay,

738
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:35,880
Speaker 2: we ain't gonna let Jordan get fifty on you.

739
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:37,200
Speaker 4: But he did.

740
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:42,040
Speaker 2: But at least we had the mentality that, okay, I'm

741
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:44,400
Speaker 2: coming to help. Now when I get over there, I

742
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:47,399
Speaker 2: may not be able to do nothing, But at least

743
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:51,200
Speaker 2: when you turned around and he scored on you, you

744
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:54,200
Speaker 2: looking at your teammates saying, okay, I ain't by myself.

745
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 2: He's scored fifty on us, right, And that's the way

746
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:03,279
Speaker 2: it was now everybody else, you know, all mentality was

747
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:06,320
Speaker 2: like we coming in not to score on you. We

748
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 2: coming in to shut you down, because if this is

749
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:12,279
Speaker 2: what you like to do, we're not gonna let you

750
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:14,759
Speaker 2: do that. You're gonna have to do something else to

751
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:17,239
Speaker 2: beat us, and you're gonna have to do it for

752
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 2: a long period of time. And the odds are if

753
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 2: I make you do something a long period of time

754
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 2: that you're not used to doing, and I get to

755
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:27,480
Speaker 2: do what I want to do like that, then I'm

756
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:29,960
Speaker 2: gonna beat you. And then you're gonna be mad at me.

757
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:32,120
Speaker 2: But I'm gonna keep beating you because I'm not gonna

758
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 2: let you do what you want to do. And that's

759
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:38,040
Speaker 2: the approach that we had coming into the game to play.

760
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:40,680
Speaker 1: You win a championship, you be rebellious. They don't want

761
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:43,839
Speaker 1: the Detroit Pistons to win a championship. The dream Team

762
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:48,239
Speaker 1: come up and all my favorite players on this dream team. Yeah,

763
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:51,480
Speaker 1: and I'm just as pissed off as you about you

764
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:52,879
Speaker 1: not making that dream team.

765
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:55,600
Speaker 4: But you you didn't make it in so far we

766
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:57,919
Speaker 4: move on. And then you make the Hall of Fame.

767
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:02,560
Speaker 1: Then they announce you top fifties greatest of all time history,

768
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 1: that Hall of Fame, in that top fiftiest player of

769
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:06,720
Speaker 1: the history.

770
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 4: What did that mean to you?

771
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:13,680
Speaker 2: None of us wake up or start playing basketball and say,

772
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:15,160
Speaker 2: oh man, I'm gonna make it to the Hall of

773
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 2: Fame or I'm gonna be one of the top fifty

774
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:20,960
Speaker 2: players player. I mean, you don't even I mean just

775
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 2: that's not even like a fog. Yeah, and that's a

776
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 2: hope not even a hope you I mean, yeah, it's

777
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:33,920
Speaker 2: like and then when they say you made that right,

778
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:36,040
Speaker 2: and for a little dude like me, I mean, y'all,

779
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:37,080
Speaker 2: y'all big right.

780
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:38,920
Speaker 4: I know, y'all I.

781
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:40,800
Speaker 2: Walk in the room, now, y'all look at me, and

782
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:42,920
Speaker 2: I look at y'all like, damn, there's some big.

783
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:45,600
Speaker 4: Right up.

784
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 2: But being a little dude and then being honored or selected,

785
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 2: you know, to me, it was just mind blowing because

786
00:42:57,520 --> 00:43:00,880
Speaker 2: I never thought that I would be on that stage

787
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:04,359
Speaker 2: or it could be what I became. In the game

788
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:08,360
Speaker 2: of basketball. I really was just playing, and the majority

789
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 2: of time I was playing because that's where the food was.

790
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 2: It's like, you know, you play for this guy. You

791
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 2: know after the game, he's gonna buy your hot dogs.

792
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:20,840
Speaker 2: You know that coach ain't got no money play. Yeah, so,

793
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:25,320
Speaker 2: but you never thought like Hall of Fame top fifty,

794
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:28,400
Speaker 2: you know. And you know when you mentioned like the

795
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:31,080
Speaker 2: Dream Team, did I want to be a part of that. Absolutely?

796
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:36,400
Speaker 2: But when I wasn't picked, you know it it was like, Okay,

797
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:39,560
Speaker 2: it hurt, hurt deep. But at the same time, I

798
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:43,960
Speaker 2: still rooted for the USA win and I watched every game,

799
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 2: you know, and I was looking at it, like, man,

800
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:48,759
Speaker 2: I could have been playing right, you know, you you

801
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:52,320
Speaker 2: still you, still fantasizing and still wanting to be But

802
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:56,239
Speaker 2: after a week went by, I wasn't bitter no more.

803
00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:59,640
Speaker 2: It was like if you haven't had that experience which

804
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:02,799
Speaker 2: all of us have had trying to make a team.

805
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:06,279
Speaker 2: Remember they used to write your name, you know, and

806
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:09,520
Speaker 2: you see if you made the team, and you know

807
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:12,040
Speaker 2: sometimes you didn't make the team or he was on

808
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:14,759
Speaker 2: that second piece of paper. Well that's how I looked

809
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:17,520
Speaker 2: at the dream team situation. It's like, okay, well I

810
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:20,440
Speaker 2: didn't make the team, but I rooted for everybody who

811
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:22,840
Speaker 2: was on the team. Like I couldn't look at that

812
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:26,239
Speaker 2: team and say I was stocked in the scrub. He

813
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:28,320
Speaker 2: shouldn't be on the team. I couldn't do that because

814
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:28,600
Speaker 2: he's not.

815
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:35,879
Speaker 3: Don't worry, we did that. But I'm grown now, I'm

816
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:38,280
Speaker 3: adulte and I played in the league, so I respected different.

817
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:40,360
Speaker 4: But I'm just saying when it happened and.

818
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:42,600
Speaker 2: There, yeah we had all emotions.

819
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:43,960
Speaker 4: Wait a minute, yeah.

820
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:44,800
Speaker 2: We had all emotions.

821
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:47,360
Speaker 3: And Shaq was supposed to be on that lateness so

822
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:50,200
Speaker 3: those were the two love but you know, but.

823
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:53,120
Speaker 2: Again we had all emotions, but at the same time

824
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:57,920
Speaker 2: those were you mean, Stockedon is a Hall of Fame player.

825
00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:00,600
Speaker 3: And respect I got great. I don't feel the same

826
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:02,400
Speaker 3: as I do as a kid as an adults.

827
00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:06,160
Speaker 2: Yeah so I and I and I had the privilege

828
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:12,160
Speaker 2: of being a little older and also had won some championships.

829
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:16,960
Speaker 2: So while I may have been bitter and may have

830
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:21,239
Speaker 2: been disappointed, it didn't lead me to hate, you know,

831
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:25,759
Speaker 2: like oh man, I wanted Magic them to win, and

832
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:29,719
Speaker 2: then I mentioned Magic right, for Magic to be a

833
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 2: part of that team. After being out of the league

834
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 2: with HIV and having his career cut so short, I

835
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:41,520
Speaker 2: look back at that and I say, hey, you know,

836
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:50,319
Speaker 2: I I probably wouldn't have had the fortitude to say, hey,

837
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:54,320
Speaker 2: I'm gonna step back and let Magic be. I was

838
00:45:54,400 --> 00:46:00,920
Speaker 2: happy that the basketball gods said Isaiah Magic had its

839
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:05,439
Speaker 2: stage instead of you. You know, during that period of time,

840
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:08,799
Speaker 2: probably couldn't think that way. But now that I'm older, right,

841
00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:13,600
Speaker 2: and I can look back and say that moment, while

842
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:17,440
Speaker 2: it would have been good for me letting Magic have

843
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:22,160
Speaker 2: that shine, let it Magic be that what it did

844
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:26,040
Speaker 2: for him and what it did for the basketball community

845
00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:30,040
Speaker 2: and HIV and everything else, Oh, that was way bigger

846
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:33,080
Speaker 2: than Isaiah Thomas not making Yeah. So it was like

847
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:36,279
Speaker 2: the basketball guys have a way of working things out.

848
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:40,040
Speaker 2: And at the end of the day, Magic being in

849
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:44,239
Speaker 2: that spot instead of me being in that spot was

850
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:46,680
Speaker 2: the right thing for the basketball community.

851
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:48,719
Speaker 1: Well I wasn't I wasn't old enough to cuss yet,

852
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:51,279
Speaker 1: but you know when they announced that's all right. My

853
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:54,960
Speaker 1: mama was cursing when they announced that they was given

854
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:57,480
Speaker 1: that they was gonna put NBA players in it. And

855
00:46:57,600 --> 00:47:00,560
Speaker 1: it's just like we just you just won championship.

856
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:04,520
Speaker 2: And no one at that time had one more than

857
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:07,640
Speaker 2: Magic Bird and and you and Jordan had just won

858
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:08,959
Speaker 2: his first champions.

859
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:10,360
Speaker 1: Exactly, and it was just like you know when you

860
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:12,320
Speaker 1: when you read off the list and you know, we

861
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:14,200
Speaker 1: watched these All Star Games stuff. He was like, man,

862
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:17,800
Speaker 1: they got everybody right except for the one person that

863
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:21,239
Speaker 1: we all want to be, especially us being from Illinois. Like,

864
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:25,239
Speaker 1: I wanted it so much. I wanted to just see

865
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:28,000
Speaker 1: you and Mike on the court. I wanted to see

866
00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:30,359
Speaker 1: you in Magic on the court. I wanted to see

867
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:31,840
Speaker 1: you play with Bird.

868
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:32,359
Speaker 4: Yeah.

869
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, because you see these wars

870
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:38,400
Speaker 1: and they don't realize it's really a brotherhood at the

871
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:41,600
Speaker 1: end of the day. And to see how them guys

872
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:43,960
Speaker 1: have fun, it was just like you was the missing

873
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:46,279
Speaker 1: link to that. And I was real disappointed.

874
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:51,200
Speaker 2: Yeah again, I was disappointed too, But I also I

875
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:53,920
Speaker 2: also look at it and I say, you know what

876
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:57,080
Speaker 2: that team represented, and now that we're all older, we

877
00:47:57,239 --> 00:48:02,040
Speaker 2: do understand politics, and I do think that the political

878
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:05,279
Speaker 2: structure of that team, you know, you had to have

879
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:09,120
Speaker 2: some diversity, right, and it was a it was a

880
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:13,719
Speaker 2: very diverse team, a well put together team, and it

881
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:17,840
Speaker 2: really did hit all the bases that needed to be covered.

882
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:21,479
Speaker 2: But again, for me, now that I'm I'm a little older,

883
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:23,440
Speaker 2: and I can look back and I can say, hey, man,

884
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:28,600
Speaker 2: that moment for Magic Johnson being on that stage with

885
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:30,160
Speaker 2: that flag around him.

886
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:32,160
Speaker 4: For what? For what?

887
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:36,000
Speaker 2: Not? Only did we need that? He needed that? And

888
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:40,640
Speaker 2: and if I had to be the the then then cool.

889
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:43,719
Speaker 3: Speaking Yeah, I agree with that, speaking speaking on your

890
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:46,439
Speaker 3: relationship with Magic, one of the one of the best

891
00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:49,520
Speaker 3: moments I feel like I had and saw TV when

892
00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:52,040
Speaker 3: y'all did to sit down with NBA TV and y'all

893
00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:54,360
Speaker 3: came back together like and I look at it like

894
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:57,160
Speaker 3: this for me and so like you two, we grew up,

895
00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:00,759
Speaker 3: you know, idolizing y'all, looking at y'all.

896
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:03,399
Speaker 4: So when I'm sitting there, I'm looking at y'all. Cry Damn,

897
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:08,919
Speaker 4: there was crying. I'm likes going on say, I'm like, damn,

898
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:09,839
Speaker 4: I'm like, you know what I'm saying.

899
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:12,040
Speaker 3: But I'm like, but I you know, I'm sure every

900
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:14,680
Speaker 3: anybody saw it could feel you know what I'm saying

901
00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:17,440
Speaker 3: that row emotion, Like, how was that for you? Just

902
00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:20,200
Speaker 3: being able to come full circle and get back locked

903
00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:21,160
Speaker 3: in with magic.

904
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:21,800
Speaker 4: Like that, it was.

905
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:27,080
Speaker 2: It was a beautiful moment for me in him. It

906
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:33,359
Speaker 2: just goes to show you the power of compassion and forgiveness.

907
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:36,160
Speaker 2: And the lesson that I think he and I both

908
00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:39,440
Speaker 2: learned that that I hope we show to the world

909
00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:44,759
Speaker 2: is that there's two things. A you always got to talk.

910
00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:48,920
Speaker 2: Whenever there's a third party in the middle whispering in

911
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:55,520
Speaker 2: somebody's ear and you don't talk to your friend, then

912
00:49:56,360 --> 00:50:01,080
Speaker 2: then then it gets money. I think the power of

913
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:06,680
Speaker 2: us coming together, he and I didn't truly understand the

914
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:12,080
Speaker 2: power of our friendship to y'all generations, the generation under

915
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:15,520
Speaker 2: when you're going through this, you're really only thinking about yourself,

916
00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:19,960
Speaker 2: but you're not thinking about what your relationship and friendship

917
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:23,240
Speaker 2: means to the world. That we weren't in that space.

918
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:26,680
Speaker 2: And to have that moment and then walk out of

919
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:30,160
Speaker 2: that moment and have people come up to you in

920
00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:34,400
Speaker 2: the airport, you know, hey, man, I'm so glad you

921
00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:37,120
Speaker 2: in Magic, you know, had a chance to sit down

922
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:40,440
Speaker 2: and talk. That did me so much good. I went

923
00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:42,960
Speaker 2: back and I called my friend from grade school that

924
00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:45,480
Speaker 2: I hadn't talked to in years. You know, I had

925
00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:50,400
Speaker 2: a conversation with him, you know, any place we went in,

926
00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:55,680
Speaker 2: any place that I go. Now, that conversation has opened

927
00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:58,600
Speaker 2: up so many doors. And you know, just not knowing

928
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:02,000
Speaker 2: and understanding the power of all friendship. It's like we

929
00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:06,560
Speaker 2: all hug now. Right back back in the eighties, men

930
00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:10,719
Speaker 2: couldn't hug, you know, you had to give him that

931
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:14,120
Speaker 2: old that Steale handshake, and you know, but you can

932
00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:17,320
Speaker 2: hug your family member. So magic and I we hug,

933
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:20,680
Speaker 2: we kids whatever, and that was like a big deal.

934
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:25,080
Speaker 2: Now you're watch an NBA game. Before every game guys

935
00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:34,600
Speaker 2: are like, you know, so so breaking down all those barriers.

936
00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:37,880
Speaker 2: You didn't realize what you were doing and how important

937
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:39,800
Speaker 2: it was to people. So that was that was a

938
00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:43,080
Speaker 2: big moment. And I'm and I couldn't be more happier

939
00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:47,560
Speaker 2: for him watching him just rise back up and be

940
00:51:47,719 --> 00:51:51,880
Speaker 2: on top. And dmails you can appreciate this. And you know,

941
00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:55,480
Speaker 2: to get knocked down at the zenith of your career

942
00:51:56,200 --> 00:52:00,799
Speaker 2: with a physical injury or what it happened to him

943
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:03,920
Speaker 2: where you on top, I mean it happened to you

944
00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:06,480
Speaker 2: with your needs where you just like you wake up

945
00:52:06,520 --> 00:52:08,920
Speaker 2: one morning and your body ain't the same and you're

946
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:12,719
Speaker 2: not on top of the mountain anymore. So what the

947
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:17,080
Speaker 2: NBA community in the basketball community allowed Magic to do

948
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:21,759
Speaker 2: is get back up and now he's back on his

949
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:24,520
Speaker 2: pedal stove. You know, it was important for me to

950
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:26,920
Speaker 2: come here today. Q asked me, like, you know, can

951
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:31,200
Speaker 2: you come win, what time? How long? You know, change

952
00:52:31,239 --> 00:52:33,759
Speaker 2: my flight whatever, But to be able to sit here

953
00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:36,440
Speaker 2: with both of you and to see what the basketball

954
00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:40,000
Speaker 2: community is still doing for you and for Q. Like

955
00:52:40,080 --> 00:52:42,439
Speaker 2: I said to Q, and I said, hey, don't lose

956
00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:42,959
Speaker 2: the job.

957
00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:51,000
Speaker 4: Look at us what we're doing.

958
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:57,360
Speaker 2: So but I mean that that's what we're supposed to do.

959
00:52:57,520 --> 00:53:00,719
Speaker 2: And that so when you talk about a brotherhood, the

960
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:03,440
Speaker 2: brotherhood is really supposed to be the brotherhood, Like we're

961
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:06,680
Speaker 2: supposed to look out, we're supposed to help. And you

962
00:53:06,760 --> 00:53:09,880
Speaker 2: can look at any team that I've been on or

963
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:13,920
Speaker 2: represented or been a part of, there is always some

964
00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:21,239
Speaker 2: Chicago people. Chicago Detroit is always represented because that's where

965
00:53:21,239 --> 00:53:24,040
Speaker 2: I come from and that's what I represent. And if

966
00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:28,239
Speaker 2: I don't have Chicago or Detroit around me, then something

967
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:30,040
Speaker 2: ain't right going on.

968
00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:33,520
Speaker 3: Hey, this is one of the things that I always like,

969
00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:35,960
Speaker 3: looking back, that I thought about. I've even talked to,

970
00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:38,160
Speaker 3: you know, some of my guys. We talked about it.

971
00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:40,600
Speaker 3: And I feel like you don't get enough credit for

972
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:43,040
Speaker 3: like when you were as a president and you know,

973
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:45,279
Speaker 3: VP of you know what I'm saying, the draft picked

974
00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:48,719
Speaker 3: the draft than you did, because I feel like even

975
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:50,960
Speaker 3: in some of your you know, free agent signs and

976
00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:53,799
Speaker 3: stuff like that, in my opinion, you when it got

977
00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:57,200
Speaker 3: the people that were sometimes to throwaways or sometimes the

978
00:53:57,280 --> 00:54:00,359
Speaker 3: people that weren't being believed in or being doubted. Even

979
00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:03,600
Speaker 3: in drafting. I can remember you drafting Nate, you know

980
00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:07,560
Speaker 3: what I'm saying, Ronaldo Bopman, Wilson, all guys that at

981
00:54:07,560 --> 00:54:09,560
Speaker 3: the time, it was like, you know, what I'm saying. Oh,

982
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:13,960
Speaker 3: I can remember specifically with Wilson when he declared the

983
00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:16,600
Speaker 3: ad called me like, oh my god, like I.

984
00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:18,160
Speaker 4: Don't know what what is he doing?

985
00:54:18,239 --> 00:54:20,560
Speaker 3: Like they not even saying then it was like he

986
00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:24,160
Speaker 3: didn't work out, and then it was like he came

987
00:54:24,239 --> 00:54:26,759
Speaker 3: to us and still right now having a long, good

988
00:54:26,840 --> 00:54:27,680
Speaker 3: career in the NBA.

989
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:28,279
Speaker 4: I saw.

990
00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:30,880
Speaker 3: I was just talking about the other day we playing

991
00:54:31,520 --> 00:54:35,080
Speaker 3: in the season, were playing watching the NCAA tournament.

992
00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:35,600
Speaker 4: La la la.

993
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:40,880
Speaker 3: You watch Kentucky lose. Now Randolph Morris is in college playing,

994
00:54:41,640 --> 00:54:45,759
Speaker 3: they lose, and the next week we signed him to

995
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:46,760
Speaker 3: the New York Knicks.

996
00:54:48,320 --> 00:54:50,120
Speaker 4: Some lou pol or whatever that.

997
00:54:50,520 --> 00:54:53,040
Speaker 3: Zeke found And I was just like, like, I feel

998
00:54:53,080 --> 00:54:54,920
Speaker 3: like he don't get enough credit for a lot of

999
00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:56,279
Speaker 3: the stuff, you know what I'm saying, a lot of

1000
00:54:56,320 --> 00:54:58,280
Speaker 3: the moves and stuff. You know what I'm saying, drafting

1001
00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:01,319
Speaker 3: start of my ca and being them boys over there.

1002
00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:03,880
Speaker 3: We know even the guys, did he you know what

1003
00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:06,480
Speaker 3: I'm saying that you gave did you signed to deals

1004
00:55:06,680 --> 00:55:10,040
Speaker 3: from from Indiana to the Knicks? All of the moves?

1005
00:55:10,080 --> 00:55:12,799
Speaker 3: I feel like what made you be able to see

1006
00:55:13,120 --> 00:55:15,719
Speaker 3: and ignore that and say I don't care what they

1007
00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:18,400
Speaker 3: saying or what's being said about them. You see what

1008
00:55:18,520 --> 00:55:20,680
Speaker 3: you saw and you did what you did.

1009
00:55:21,120 --> 00:55:25,880
Speaker 2: I always approached the draft asking this question, can this

1010
00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:30,319
Speaker 2: person play in the championship game and win?

1011
00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:31,080
Speaker 4: Right?

1012
00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:35,680
Speaker 2: And what is his mental makeup? In every trade that

1013
00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:38,480
Speaker 2: I made, it's like, okay, not, can he play in

1014
00:55:38,560 --> 00:55:42,520
Speaker 2: the NBA? Not? How many points can this guy perform

1015
00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:46,440
Speaker 2: under pressure? If we in a pressure situation, can he

1016
00:55:46,560 --> 00:55:49,279
Speaker 2: follow the game plan? Can he execute? And can we

1017
00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:51,520
Speaker 2: win a championship with him? And if you look at

1018
00:55:51,680 --> 00:55:54,160
Speaker 2: all the players that I've drafted and some of the

1019
00:55:54,200 --> 00:55:56,640
Speaker 2: players that I've traded for, they even the Hall of

1020
00:55:56,719 --> 00:56:00,600
Speaker 2: Fame right now. They've been named NBA All Stars and

1021
00:56:00,719 --> 00:56:04,080
Speaker 2: have won championships or been six Men of the Year.

1022
00:56:05,520 --> 00:56:08,200
Speaker 2: So on that team that we had in New York,

1023
00:56:08,680 --> 00:56:12,600
Speaker 2: we had six people off that team win NBA championships.

1024
00:56:13,560 --> 00:56:17,080
Speaker 2: Malik was on that team won NBA championship, David Lee

1025
00:56:17,160 --> 00:56:23,000
Speaker 2: won an NBA championship, Channing Fry won NBA championship, Eddie

1026
00:56:23,040 --> 00:56:27,120
Speaker 2: Curry was on the NBA championship team. Jamaal was, you know,

1027
00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:29,640
Speaker 2: six Man of the Year. Forever, the trophy would probably

1028
00:56:29,680 --> 00:56:33,640
Speaker 2: be named after him Wilson, As you said, it is

1029
00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:37,520
Speaker 2: still playing everyone that we had.

1030
00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:40,640
Speaker 3: Had tied's record in the playoffs for points in the

1031
00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:42,760
Speaker 3: quarter as the fourth string guy.

1032
00:56:43,080 --> 00:56:46,960
Speaker 2: And we had all this talent, and everybody was so

1033
00:56:47,239 --> 00:56:52,120
Speaker 2: young and maturing and growing. Now, you know the narrative

1034
00:56:52,160 --> 00:56:54,480
Speaker 2: in New York, and I don't know how this got

1035
00:56:54,560 --> 00:56:57,120
Speaker 2: started where they say, well, you traded all the draft picks. No,

1036
00:56:57,239 --> 00:56:59,080
Speaker 2: I never traded any draft As a matter of fact,

1037
00:56:59,400 --> 00:57:02,160
Speaker 2: one year I I had three first round picks. If

1038
00:57:02,200 --> 00:57:04,799
Speaker 2: you go back and you look at what I actually did,

1039
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:08,040
Speaker 2: or we forgot to name Trevor Reza in terms of

1040
00:57:09,040 --> 00:57:11,160
Speaker 2: and I'm sure there's somebody else that I missing, and

1041
00:57:11,719 --> 00:57:13,680
Speaker 2: you know as a champion, so if there's somebody else

1042
00:57:13,719 --> 00:57:15,680
Speaker 2: that was on that team that I missed, I apologize.

1043
00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:20,600
Speaker 2: But there's only the trade that that I still think

1044
00:57:20,680 --> 00:57:25,800
Speaker 2: today is so misunderstood. People you know, have have wrote

1045
00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:32,280
Speaker 2: so fictitious, fictitiously just bad about was that Eddie Curry trade.

1046
00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:36,400
Speaker 2: I mean the Eddie Curry trade to me was Eddie

1047
00:57:36,440 --> 00:57:42,840
Speaker 2: Curry and Wilson Chandler for Tyrus Thomas. And Tyrus Thomas

1048
00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:45,720
Speaker 2: at that time was I think he was the second

1049
00:57:45,760 --> 00:57:48,440
Speaker 2: pick in the draft, and I looked at Tyros and

1050
00:57:48,760 --> 00:57:50,920
Speaker 2: no offense to Tyris, but I just said, look, I

1051
00:57:51,200 --> 00:57:54,720
Speaker 2: got David Lee and I got Channing Fry, so I'm good.

1052
00:57:55,240 --> 00:57:58,200
Speaker 2: I'm good at the power forward spot. I don't need

1053
00:57:58,320 --> 00:58:00,760
Speaker 2: another power forward. And the three power forwards at that

1054
00:58:00,840 --> 00:58:06,320
Speaker 2: time that were coming out was Aldridge, Tyris Thomas, and

1055
00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:10,440
Speaker 2: Joe Kee Noah. When I looked at Channing and David,

1056
00:58:10,760 --> 00:58:15,240
Speaker 2: I said, Okay, these two guys are capable in my opinion,

1057
00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:17,880
Speaker 2: and this was my criterion. My criterion is can you

1058
00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:20,280
Speaker 2: win a championship? Not can you play in the NBA

1059
00:58:20,360 --> 00:58:21,960
Speaker 2: and score some points and make some money. Can you

1060
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:24,360
Speaker 2: win a championship. I looked at David Lee and I

1061
00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:26,160
Speaker 2: looked at Channing Fire, and I say, these two guys

1062
00:58:26,200 --> 00:58:29,400
Speaker 2: can play on championship teams and win. So I'm good

1063
00:58:29,560 --> 00:58:34,040
Speaker 2: with them, right. And I think when you look back,

1064
00:58:34,120 --> 00:58:38,160
Speaker 2: and history has proven us correct that Wilson Chandler Eddie

1065
00:58:38,240 --> 00:58:42,840
Speaker 2: Curry for Tyros Thomas was a damn good trade.

1066
00:58:46,160 --> 00:58:49,480
Speaker 1: You remember this our first preseason game. It was either

1067
00:58:49,480 --> 00:58:51,880
Speaker 1: our first or our second preseason game. He was coaching

1068
00:58:51,960 --> 00:58:53,560
Speaker 1: the Indiana Pacers, who we.

1069
00:58:53,640 --> 00:58:56,520
Speaker 2: Had a whip in Indiana and if Very wouldn't have

1070
00:58:56,520 --> 00:58:59,480
Speaker 2: fired me, I still say today I would have won

1071
00:58:59,520 --> 00:59:00,680
Speaker 2: a championsh here with that team.

1072
00:59:00,840 --> 00:59:03,040
Speaker 4: Great team. That's one of my favorite teams too.

1073
00:59:03,160 --> 00:59:08,640
Speaker 1: But we played at Indiana State and my first dunk

1074
00:59:08,760 --> 00:59:12,880
Speaker 1: on somebody was against Jermaine O'Neil in Indiana State and

1075
00:59:13,000 --> 00:59:15,400
Speaker 1: I dunked on the like body the body tangled up

1076
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:16,680
Speaker 1: with and I yell.

1077
00:59:18,680 --> 00:59:19,080
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1078
00:59:20,760 --> 00:59:21,280
Speaker 1: Won the man.

1079
00:59:21,400 --> 00:59:21,560
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1080
00:59:21,560 --> 00:59:23,600
Speaker 1: It was a little scream because my voice was still squeaky.

1081
00:59:25,040 --> 00:59:26,480
Speaker 1: But I remember after I dunked on it was like

1082
00:59:26,560 --> 00:59:29,560
Speaker 1: an an one. And this is my first time like

1083
00:59:29,680 --> 00:59:32,600
Speaker 1: even being around. I'm like, man, I still over there, coach,

1084
00:59:33,000 --> 00:59:35,040
Speaker 1: and I can he shook my hand after I dunk

1085
00:59:36,200 --> 00:59:37,720
Speaker 1: and all I can hear you saying.

1086
00:59:37,600 --> 00:59:44,440
Speaker 2: Don't shake his motherfucking hand, that's all.

1087
00:59:46,560 --> 00:59:49,920
Speaker 4: You. And I was like, man, did you hear that?

1088
00:59:50,720 --> 00:59:52,920
Speaker 1: We talked about it after the game, but that was

1089
00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:55,320
Speaker 1: my first dunk in the n b A in preseason,

1090
00:59:55,400 --> 00:59:58,920
Speaker 1: I remember playing against y'all dun you said that.

1091
00:59:59,000 --> 01:00:01,520
Speaker 3: I was so hyped A similar story to that, right,

1092
01:00:01,680 --> 01:00:05,200
Speaker 3: So Zeke is my coach, right, I just I literally

1093
01:00:05,360 --> 01:00:08,320
Speaker 3: just told this story to UH to rowing them in

1094
01:00:08,400 --> 01:00:10,680
Speaker 3: the studio. A day keV and all of that. We

1095
01:00:10,840 --> 01:00:14,200
Speaker 3: studied that. So this were playing in New York. We're

1096
01:00:14,240 --> 01:00:17,600
Speaker 3: playing against the New Jersey Nets. Right this when they

1097
01:00:17,720 --> 01:00:22,640
Speaker 3: got J Kidd, RJ. Collins and that whole group. Right

1098
01:00:23,280 --> 01:00:25,600
Speaker 3: this when they good, they tough. So we just say

1099
01:00:25,640 --> 01:00:29,920
Speaker 3: we're playing a tough game, getting heated. So you know,

1100
01:00:30,080 --> 01:00:32,800
Speaker 3: Collins used to be dirty as hell, Big Collins with

1101
01:00:32,920 --> 01:00:35,960
Speaker 3: the braids, he said, and he hip checking on the screens,

1102
01:00:36,040 --> 01:00:39,360
Speaker 3: all that, doing all the little sneaky stuff. So they

1103
01:00:39,520 --> 01:00:43,640
Speaker 3: come off RJ. I'm chasing RJ. He hip checked me.

1104
01:00:43,920 --> 01:00:44,080
Speaker 4: RJ.

1105
01:00:44,400 --> 01:00:47,560
Speaker 3: Curll get a little layup or something. Z called time out.

1106
01:00:47,640 --> 01:00:49,960
Speaker 3: He going off on me screen. I'm like, man, I'm like,

1107
01:00:50,040 --> 01:00:51,800
Speaker 3: I'm like at first, I was yelling at the ref

1108
01:00:52,680 --> 01:00:55,280
Speaker 3: he he called the times he called the time out.

1109
01:00:55,280 --> 01:00:57,560
Speaker 4: Don't get out the like, man, it's Zeke.

1110
01:00:57,480 --> 01:01:00,240
Speaker 3: Turned around like and stop packing, like I was like.

1111
01:01:00,880 --> 01:01:01,800
Speaker 3: I turned around him.

1112
01:01:01,800 --> 01:01:05,160
Speaker 4: I looked at him. I said, nah, So now I'm hot.

1113
01:01:05,360 --> 01:01:08,960
Speaker 4: I'm hot. I'm standing there, man, he tried, he doing

1114
01:01:09,000 --> 01:01:11,480
Speaker 4: the whole huddering. Ain't in the huddle. I'm standing up

1115
01:01:11,600 --> 01:01:11,800
Speaker 4: like this.

1116
01:01:12,360 --> 01:01:15,440
Speaker 3: I'm hot, bro, I'm hot. Next play coming out right,

1117
01:01:17,400 --> 01:01:21,560
Speaker 3: same play, come r J coming to do this Caraloll

1118
01:01:21,640 --> 01:01:22,680
Speaker 3: Collins is about to set.

1119
01:01:22,600 --> 01:01:24,320
Speaker 4: That screen over.

1120
01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:29,000
Speaker 3: Ladies fell all over him. Elbow went to him, got up.

1121
01:01:29,040 --> 01:01:32,880
Speaker 3: Then I turned him, called me up again. He was

1122
01:01:32,960 --> 01:01:34,800
Speaker 3: like he was like, he was like, it's supposed to

1123
01:01:34,800 --> 01:01:35,960
Speaker 3: get the last time.

1124
01:01:36,840 --> 01:01:39,040
Speaker 4: He's like, he's like, I don't want to hear that,

1125
01:01:39,200 --> 01:01:41,560
Speaker 4: don't you. But I'm like, man, I'm like, I said,

1126
01:01:41,640 --> 01:01:43,200
Speaker 4: is he I said, he really crazy?

1127
01:01:43,440 --> 01:01:47,360
Speaker 2: Went at the basket. You came up two points. Every

1128
01:01:47,440 --> 01:01:50,000
Speaker 2: point came hey boy point code.

1129
01:01:50,240 --> 01:01:51,720
Speaker 4: Never forget that. I was like this.

1130
01:01:51,960 --> 01:01:53,960
Speaker 3: I was like, I said, he had me thirty eight

1131
01:01:54,040 --> 01:01:54,479
Speaker 3: hot hours.

1132
01:01:54,720 --> 01:01:57,600
Speaker 4: I say, somebody is about to get oh I'm talking

1133
01:01:57,640 --> 01:02:00,520
Speaker 4: about now. I tried to die there, but I'm trying

1134
01:02:00,560 --> 01:02:03,240
Speaker 4: to die my elborns. I was so mad. I was like, man,

1135
01:02:03,720 --> 01:02:10,520
Speaker 4: you know everybody looking at you, like, ask you this,

1136
01:02:11,400 --> 01:02:14,280
Speaker 4: who did you grow up trying to patent your game? After?

1137
01:02:14,520 --> 01:02:16,920
Speaker 2: Like, who's the guys that you you looked at like?

1138
01:02:16,960 --> 01:02:19,840
Speaker 2: I want to be like all my older brothers. I

1139
01:02:19,920 --> 01:02:22,600
Speaker 2: mean all my older brothers. You know, my older brother,

1140
01:02:22,800 --> 01:02:25,800
Speaker 2: Lord Henry was one of the best basketball players I've

1141
01:02:25,840 --> 01:02:29,400
Speaker 2: ever seen, you know, as a kid growing up. I

1142
01:02:29,520 --> 01:02:32,000
Speaker 2: mean he was smooth. You know, he ended up getting

1143
01:02:32,040 --> 01:02:36,600
Speaker 2: strung out on heroin, but he was man, was he good?

1144
01:02:37,120 --> 01:02:39,880
Speaker 2: I mean, and I just wanted to play like him.

1145
01:02:40,440 --> 01:02:42,800
Speaker 4: I mean he was somewhat better than him.

1146
01:02:43,000 --> 01:02:45,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it was it was. And he would

1147
01:02:45,160 --> 01:02:47,640
Speaker 2: put on the show every time that that he played.

1148
01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:51,600
Speaker 2: And I never forget. My other brother Larry used to

1149
01:02:51,680 --> 01:02:57,160
Speaker 2: always say, Junior, you you just can't play. Anybody can

1150
01:02:57,280 --> 01:03:00,280
Speaker 2: play like. You got to make him feel feel it.

1151
01:03:00,400 --> 01:03:04,080
Speaker 2: You know, you got to make them feel it. Yeah,

1152
01:03:06,760 --> 01:03:08,720
Speaker 2: if you if you don't make them feel it, man,

1153
01:03:09,320 --> 01:03:12,240
Speaker 2: then then why we come to watch you play. I

1154
01:03:12,280 --> 01:03:14,360
Speaker 2: can go to the playground and watch people play. You

1155
01:03:15,080 --> 01:03:17,880
Speaker 2: gotta put on the show and you got to make

1156
01:03:17,920 --> 01:03:23,040
Speaker 2: them fans like. So that's that's the way I always yeah, like, hey,

1157
01:03:23,120 --> 01:03:25,160
Speaker 2: you just can't be regular.

1158
01:03:25,600 --> 01:03:28,080
Speaker 4: Even when people thought you was fancy that one that

1159
01:03:28,200 --> 01:03:28,920
Speaker 4: was just a swagger.

1160
01:03:29,240 --> 01:03:31,840
Speaker 2: If I got to play in this NBA where you

1161
01:03:31,920 --> 01:03:34,320
Speaker 2: can be fancy, you can sit down in front of

1162
01:03:34,360 --> 01:03:35,400
Speaker 2: somebody and really.

1163
01:03:35,680 --> 01:03:42,800
Speaker 4: Like what I'm telling you. We're not even as old

1164
01:03:42,800 --> 01:03:43,040
Speaker 4: as you.

1165
01:03:43,160 --> 01:03:45,040
Speaker 3: But we talked about like when we was coming up

1166
01:03:45,120 --> 01:03:48,160
Speaker 3: in this league, Man, that coach might have benched us

1167
01:03:48,240 --> 01:03:50,000
Speaker 3: if we did some of this stuff to some of

1168
01:03:50,040 --> 01:03:52,720
Speaker 3: the shots, tried some of the mining.

1169
01:03:53,840 --> 01:03:55,800
Speaker 2: Wait a minute, wait and then somebody to hit you.

1170
01:03:56,000 --> 01:03:57,960
Speaker 4: It's like every time.

1171
01:03:58,240 --> 01:04:00,880
Speaker 2: I never forget my second game and it NBA. After

1172
01:04:00,960 --> 01:04:04,520
Speaker 2: we beat Milwaukee, I come to Chicago and Ricky Sobers

1173
01:04:04,600 --> 01:04:07,439
Speaker 2: and Reggie Theater of the Guards and I came down

1174
01:04:08,000 --> 01:04:09,760
Speaker 2: and you know, I went through my legs and Ricky

1175
01:04:09,840 --> 01:04:12,160
Speaker 2: Sobers grabbed me real hard. He said no, no, no, no, no,

1176
01:04:12,560 --> 01:04:14,880
Speaker 2: he ain't me going through your legs and stuff on me.

1177
01:04:15,800 --> 01:04:21,600
Speaker 2: And so we we at the line, right, and you know,

1178
01:04:21,760 --> 01:04:23,800
Speaker 2: now he's trying to punk me cause I ain't say nothing.

1179
01:04:23,840 --> 01:04:25,720
Speaker 2: You know, he grabbed me hard, right, don't be going.

1180
01:04:26,160 --> 01:04:28,160
Speaker 2: And so now I think John Loan was on the

1181
01:04:28,200 --> 01:04:31,000
Speaker 2: fire line. He came and stood next to me. He

1182
01:04:31,040 --> 01:04:34,959
Speaker 2: will number fourteen. He stood next to me and he said,

1183
01:04:35,000 --> 01:04:37,360
Speaker 2: you know, I know you you young and everything, just

1184
01:04:37,400 --> 01:04:39,480
Speaker 2: getting in the league. And you know, he talking smack.

1185
01:04:40,520 --> 01:04:43,280
Speaker 2: And I looked at him. I say, hey, I just

1186
01:04:43,360 --> 01:04:46,040
Speaker 2: want you to know you live here in Chicago. You

1187
01:04:46,120 --> 01:04:48,280
Speaker 2: see all them people sitting in them stands over there,

1188
01:04:48,960 --> 01:04:54,240
Speaker 2: they're my boys. Say something else to me. We was

1189
01:04:54,320 --> 01:04:58,920
Speaker 2: good moving around, We was good there he was like, oh,

1190
01:04:59,040 --> 01:05:01,000
Speaker 2: I say, I didn't mean noth I said, Okay, we're good.

1191
01:05:02,640 --> 01:05:04,840
Speaker 1: One of the questions I wanted to ask you, Like me,

1192
01:05:05,000 --> 01:05:07,320
Speaker 1: being six', NINE i always wanted to know how to,

1193
01:05:07,480 --> 01:05:10,200
Speaker 1: dribble dribble the, ball AND i used to watch you do,

1194
01:05:10,360 --> 01:05:14,080
Speaker 1: this your eight dribble between your, legs AND i used

1195
01:05:14,120 --> 01:05:16,240
Speaker 1: to do this every single day.

1196
01:05:16,160 --> 01:05:18,080
Speaker 4: Despite a dribble all that.

1197
01:05:18,160 --> 01:05:21,560
Speaker 1: Stuff you one of the best dribblers IN nba. History

1198
01:05:22,040 --> 01:05:25,280
Speaker 1: who taught you how to dribble the? Ball the what

1199
01:05:25,480 --> 01:05:29,160
Speaker 1: you do and how you kept on perfecting it and

1200
01:05:29,280 --> 01:05:29,880
Speaker 1: getting even?

1201
01:05:30,040 --> 01:05:34,240
Speaker 3: Better, sidebar he still can do it right now at

1202
01:05:34,320 --> 01:05:37,880
Speaker 3: work every once and, again like we'll be going, here.

1203
01:05:39,680 --> 01:05:46,240
Speaker 4: Somebody right now still can do.

1204
01:05:46,400 --> 01:05:50,520
Speaker 2: IT i was, AGAIN i was so fortunate to so

1205
01:05:50,800 --> 01:05:52,640
Speaker 2: when you ask me who taught me how to dribble like?

1206
01:05:52,720 --> 01:05:55,280
Speaker 2: THAT i learned that From Curly neil And Marcus. Haynes

1207
01:05:56,160 --> 01:05:58,600
Speaker 2: now how DID i Meet Curly neil And Marcus. Haynes

1208
01:05:59,520 --> 01:06:01,440
Speaker 2: WHEN i was playing at The Martin Luther King Boys.

1209
01:06:01,520 --> 01:06:05,920
Speaker 2: Club one of the coaches there who would come around

1210
01:06:06,080 --> 01:06:11,080
Speaker 2: and advise our bitty basketball coach Was john. Mcclindon john

1211
01:06:11,160 --> 01:06:14,440
Speaker 2: McClinton is a former student Of, natesmith and he was

1212
01:06:14,520 --> 01:06:20,440
Speaker 2: also With Abe sapristine And Missusa pristine are the globetrotters

1213
01:06:20,720 --> 01:06:23,160
Speaker 2: who would come give clinics on The west side Of.

1214
01:06:23,240 --> 01:06:27,000
Speaker 2: Chicago AND i Remember curly so when you see me

1215
01:06:27,160 --> 01:06:30,160
Speaker 2: like patting it real low and Then i'll fall on

1216
01:06:30,240 --> 01:06:32,800
Speaker 2: the ground and get up and then go. Back all

1217
01:06:32,880 --> 01:06:36,240
Speaker 2: that comes From curly And marcus in terms of how

1218
01:06:36,280 --> 01:06:38,040
Speaker 2: they taught you how to. Dribble and the way they

1219
01:06:38,120 --> 01:06:39,480
Speaker 2: taught you how to dribble was like you got to

1220
01:06:39,520 --> 01:06:42,600
Speaker 2: learn how to play the, piano you, Know so, yeah

1221
01:06:42,680 --> 01:06:46,720
Speaker 2: you have you start with your index, finger then you

1222
01:06:46,800 --> 01:06:49,440
Speaker 2: go to your middle, finger your ring, finger baby, finger

1223
01:06:49,520 --> 01:06:53,320
Speaker 2: thumb and before you know, it now you then they

1224
01:06:53,400 --> 01:06:55,720
Speaker 2: call it. Patton now you learn how to pat and

1225
01:06:55,920 --> 01:06:58,880
Speaker 2: if you can keep that ball, low can't nobody really get?

1226
01:06:58,920 --> 01:07:02,400
Speaker 2: It because the angle that that defender has to, take

1227
01:07:03,080 --> 01:07:05,240
Speaker 2: if he's not willing to bend his knees and get

1228
01:07:05,320 --> 01:07:08,720
Speaker 2: down there with you, Down, yeah gotta sit. Down you

1229
01:07:08,800 --> 01:07:10,920
Speaker 2: gotta sit down in the, chair Right and if he's

1230
01:07:11,000 --> 01:07:13,520
Speaker 2: not sitting down in a, chair and you see that

1231
01:07:13,680 --> 01:07:17,000
Speaker 2: head lean, forward, okay well that when the head lean,

1232
01:07:17,160 --> 01:07:20,800
Speaker 2: forward now he's off. Balance he can't slide when his head's,

1233
01:07:20,880 --> 01:07:24,520
Speaker 2: forward and so you learn all those, cues and those

1234
01:07:24,560 --> 01:07:26,720
Speaker 2: are the things THAT i learned in terms of. Dribbling

1235
01:07:27,040 --> 01:07:30,160
Speaker 2: so that's HOW i learned how to. Dribble but by the,

1236
01:07:30,200 --> 01:07:32,680
Speaker 2: WAY i wasn't the only one who learned, that you,

1237
01:07:32,760 --> 01:07:35,360
Speaker 2: know everybody in the, neighborhood you, know because they was

1238
01:07:35,440 --> 01:07:38,280
Speaker 2: coming teaching. Everyone it's not LIKE i, had, like you,

1239
01:07:38,360 --> 01:07:41,720
Speaker 2: know a private. Lesson you. Know so now the whole

1240
01:07:41,800 --> 01:07:45,120
Speaker 2: neighborhood on The west, side you, know you learning how to.

1241
01:07:45,200 --> 01:07:48,240
Speaker 2: Dribble now when you're learning how to, dribble now you

1242
01:07:48,320 --> 01:07:50,760
Speaker 2: got to learn how to defend. That so we always

1243
01:07:50,800 --> 01:07:53,200
Speaker 2: said the guys on the south, side them guys can. Score,

1244
01:07:53,360 --> 01:07:57,160
Speaker 2: man they can shoot. It they got pretty, shots you.

1245
01:07:57,240 --> 01:07:59,680
Speaker 2: KNOW i mean if you think about all the scores

1246
01:08:00,040 --> 01:08:03,360
Speaker 2: them out Of chicago from mainly all of them from

1247
01:08:03,400 --> 01:08:06,400
Speaker 2: The south, SIDE i, mean they shoot, good they look,

1248
01:08:06,520 --> 01:08:08,520
Speaker 2: good you, know they hair fresh to.

1249
01:08:08,640 --> 01:08:09,000
Speaker 4: Cut you.

1250
01:08:09,080 --> 01:08:14,160
Speaker 2: Know West, side We Tony Allen Patrick, bever we just

1251
01:08:14,240 --> 01:08:15,840
Speaker 2: straight dogs because what.

1252
01:08:15,880 --> 01:08:19,519
Speaker 4: They call it the, bottoms because the bottle the lower.

1253
01:08:19,640 --> 01:08:22,280
Speaker 2: End we gotta learn how to stop yall from doing

1254
01:08:22,360 --> 01:08:23,240
Speaker 2: all that, stuff you.

1255
01:08:23,320 --> 01:08:27,919
Speaker 1: Know, Yeah Dennis robin is one of my favorite players

1256
01:08:28,040 --> 01:08:28,360
Speaker 1: of all.

1257
01:08:28,520 --> 01:08:33,160
Speaker 4: Time he was a bad, boy he thirties hours, man

1258
01:08:33,240 --> 01:08:33,880
Speaker 4: he was just so.

1259
01:08:34,240 --> 01:08:37,080
Speaker 1: UNIQUE i don't say character that seem Like i'm dissing,

1260
01:08:37,200 --> 01:08:41,040
Speaker 1: him but like a character his personality is just like

1261
01:08:41,120 --> 01:08:44,559
Speaker 1: the way he, played how much he. Hustled to See

1262
01:08:44,600 --> 01:08:48,120
Speaker 1: Dennis roban come in with The pistons and to see

1263
01:08:48,240 --> 01:08:50,320
Speaker 1: him have A hall Of fame, career to see the

1264
01:08:50,439 --> 01:08:53,120
Speaker 1: success he had when you, know the whole world was

1265
01:08:53,360 --> 01:08:55,559
Speaker 1: adversly a lot of the stuff that these kids doing

1266
01:08:56,240 --> 01:08:58,839
Speaker 1: of just being free and just wanting to be. Theirself

1267
01:08:59,040 --> 01:09:01,920
Speaker 1: it's kind of based Off Dennis. Robman you know What i'm.

1268
01:09:01,920 --> 01:09:03,680
Speaker 1: Saying he opened that lane. Up can you speak on

1269
01:09:03,840 --> 01:09:06,719
Speaker 1: Like Dennis robin and his career and like how proud

1270
01:09:06,760 --> 01:09:10,040
Speaker 1: are you of him to who he become in this.

1271
01:09:10,240 --> 01:09:13,880
Speaker 2: Game WHEN i SAY i Love, ROBIN i MEAN i

1272
01:09:14,520 --> 01:09:18,920
Speaker 2: love him because the free spirit and the beautiful PERSON

1273
01:09:19,560 --> 01:09:21,800
Speaker 2: i mean just would give literally give you the shirt

1274
01:09:21,840 --> 01:09:27,599
Speaker 2: off his. Back and watching him grow within THE. Nba

1275
01:09:27,800 --> 01:09:31,640
Speaker 2: and if you look At robin with The pistons and

1276
01:09:31,720 --> 01:09:35,040
Speaker 2: you look At robin with The, bulls you know he

1277
01:09:35,120 --> 01:09:38,720
Speaker 2: got turned. Out you, know it's like AND i look

1278
01:09:38,760 --> 01:09:43,760
Speaker 2: at That chicago. Situation WHILE i admired them, WINNING i

1279
01:09:43,960 --> 01:09:48,120
Speaker 2: really it really hurt me that they didn't see That

1280
01:09:48,360 --> 01:09:53,600
Speaker 2: robman was really crying out for. Help and they saw the,

1281
01:09:53,720 --> 01:09:57,639
Speaker 2: rebounds the defense and everything. Else but what they didn't

1282
01:09:57,680 --> 01:10:02,200
Speaker 2: see is the person that was really suffering and going

1283
01:10:02,320 --> 01:10:06,080
Speaker 2: through it and masking, it you, know by being out

1284
01:10:06,120 --> 01:10:11,519
Speaker 2: on the. Floor but you, know when you look at all,

1285
01:10:11,600 --> 01:10:14,840
Speaker 2: team like we we embraced. ALL i, mean we had

1286
01:10:14,840 --> 01:10:17,160
Speaker 2: a big. Ten that's why you, know we was drawing,

1287
01:10:17,280 --> 01:10:20,600
Speaker 2: like you, know sixty seventy thousand people because we you,

1288
01:10:20,680 --> 01:10:23,679
Speaker 2: know it's like everybody could, come no matter what music

1289
01:10:23,920 --> 01:10:27,280
Speaker 2: you listen, to, taste, color. Whatever it's, like, hey this

1290
01:10:27,840 --> 01:10:28,880
Speaker 2: this is. Us this is who we.

1291
01:10:29,000 --> 01:10:29,720
Speaker 4: Are you.

1292
01:10:29,800 --> 01:10:33,360
Speaker 2: Know and when you talk about exemplifying what love truly

1293
01:10:33,560 --> 01:10:36,920
Speaker 2: was About robbing at that, age he was.

1294
01:10:37,080 --> 01:10:37,840
Speaker 4: That you.

1295
01:10:37,960 --> 01:10:40,840
Speaker 2: KNOW i look at his, growth like you mentioned that

1296
01:10:40,960 --> 01:10:45,240
Speaker 2: the thirty for thirty and how difficult his upbringing, was

1297
01:10:46,640 --> 01:10:49,880
Speaker 2: but yet how diverse it. WAS i, mean and we

1298
01:10:50,640 --> 01:10:53,080
Speaker 2: all have to learn TO i didn't learn this word

1299
01:10:53,200 --> 01:10:58,120
Speaker 2: UNTIL i got into THE nba about code, switching, right

1300
01:10:58,600 --> 01:11:02,760
Speaker 2: and it's, like what you're talking about code? Switching they, said,

1301
01:11:02,800 --> 01:11:05,040
Speaker 2: well you at, home you can talk this, way but

1302
01:11:05,080 --> 01:11:06,679
Speaker 2: when you sit down and do an, interview you gotta

1303
01:11:06,680 --> 01:11:08,559
Speaker 2: talk this. Way so remember the first time you did

1304
01:11:08,600 --> 01:11:11,599
Speaker 2: YOUR nba, interview you was, like what do you? Mean,

1305
01:11:11,760 --> 01:11:15,040
Speaker 2: LIKE i can't say WHAT i want to? Say you

1306
01:11:15,080 --> 01:11:19,839
Speaker 2: can't do. That But robin was always he was always,

1307
01:11:19,960 --> 01:11:23,599
Speaker 2: Real he was always, natural AND i admired that about.

1308
01:11:23,680 --> 01:11:27,920
Speaker 1: Him your not your top five of all, time but

1309
01:11:28,160 --> 01:11:33,200
Speaker 1: your favorite, Five like who's your favorite FIVE nba players

1310
01:11:33,320 --> 01:11:36,360
Speaker 1: of all time that you just, like not just the top,

1311
01:11:36,439 --> 01:11:38,280
Speaker 1: five just ones you Amar.

1312
01:11:38,520 --> 01:11:52,800
Speaker 2: So, Kareem, Magic Jordan, bird and THEN i probably throw you,

1313
01:11:52,880 --> 01:11:57,320
Speaker 2: know doctor j you know them them they would, be, well, yeah.

1314
01:11:57,400 --> 01:12:01,000
Speaker 1: What's the most ridiculous thing that you when you got

1315
01:12:01,080 --> 01:12:02,120
Speaker 1: a little money in your?

1316
01:12:02,200 --> 01:12:06,400
Speaker 4: Pocket what you winning? Games? LIKE i, KNOW i just

1317
01:12:06,439 --> 01:12:08,160
Speaker 4: didn't play for. This my mama HERE i paid for.

1318
01:12:08,240 --> 01:12:09,080
Speaker 4: That she's gonna kick my.

1319
01:12:09,200 --> 01:12:13,880
Speaker 2: EYES i went To freeman's AND i bought me ten

1320
01:12:14,040 --> 01:12:15,240
Speaker 2: pair of gators.

1321
01:12:20,040 --> 01:12:22,840
Speaker 3: Got, feet you, know on The west, side we got

1322
01:12:22,960 --> 01:12:23,800
Speaker 3: these skaters over.

1323
01:12:23,880 --> 01:12:27,000
Speaker 2: HERE i HAD i had a pink, PAIR i had

1324
01:12:27,040 --> 01:12:29,439
Speaker 2: a white, PAIR i had a green, PAIR i had

1325
01:12:29,479 --> 01:12:32,880
Speaker 2: a blue, pair and THEN i had some pink and white.

1326
01:12:32,920 --> 01:12:36,240
Speaker 2: SHOES i had some green white. Shoes so all the

1327
01:12:36,360 --> 01:12:39,920
Speaker 2: things that you dreamed, Of LIKE, I i never had any. Clothes,

1328
01:12:39,960 --> 01:12:44,680
Speaker 2: SEE i always had to wear my sister's clothes because my,

1329
01:12:44,800 --> 01:12:47,800
Speaker 2: brothers they clothes were too big for. Me SO i

1330
01:12:47,880 --> 01:12:49,800
Speaker 2: had to wear my sister's. Clothes that's WHY i know

1331
01:12:49,920 --> 01:12:53,680
Speaker 2: you was wearing your sister's. Clothes so you, know you

1332
01:12:53,800 --> 01:12:55,760
Speaker 2: learn to button up your blouse on the round the

1333
01:12:55,880 --> 01:12:58,240
Speaker 2: left hand, side and it's like because this clothes that

1334
01:12:58,320 --> 01:13:02,000
Speaker 2: fitting is, like, hey you KNOW i was wearing her

1335
01:13:02,040 --> 01:13:05,360
Speaker 2: black patent leather boots BECAUSE i had no. Clothes so

1336
01:13:05,680 --> 01:13:08,519
Speaker 2: all my sister clothes. Fit WHEN i got into THE,

1337
01:13:08,640 --> 01:13:10,680
Speaker 2: nba only only clothes THAT i.

1338
01:13:10,800 --> 01:13:13,080
Speaker 4: Had going to buy some, Drup YEAH i had.

1339
01:13:13,120 --> 01:13:15,439
Speaker 2: TONIGHT i. Had SO i made The olympic team in

1340
01:13:15,560 --> 01:13:19,759
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty and they gave you those Those levi jeans

1341
01:13:20,240 --> 01:13:23,240
Speaker 2: and that, vest and that was that's ALL i. HAD

1342
01:13:23,320 --> 01:13:26,000
Speaker 2: i was wearing that every, day like them. Jeans and

1343
01:13:26,520 --> 01:13:29,320
Speaker 2: so WHEN i got into THE, nba MAN i went

1344
01:13:29,400 --> 01:13:32,200
Speaker 2: and bought me clothes and, shoes.

1345
01:13:32,000 --> 01:13:36,240
Speaker 4: And hence why he is a flyer as he is.

1346
01:13:36,360 --> 01:13:37,720
Speaker 4: Today and the other.

1347
01:13:37,800 --> 01:13:40,040
Speaker 2: Thing, right WHEN i first got my. APARTMENT i didn't

1348
01:13:40,080 --> 01:13:42,559
Speaker 2: know how to pay, bills AND i ain't never want

1349
01:13:42,640 --> 01:13:44,720
Speaker 2: my gas or my lights or the phone bill to

1350
01:13:44,760 --> 01:13:47,320
Speaker 2: get cut. Off so every TIME i got a, BILL

1351
01:13:47,439 --> 01:13:49,320
Speaker 2: i was sending THE i was sending the light company

1352
01:13:49,560 --> 01:13:52,760
Speaker 2: extra two hundred dollars BECAUSE i was, LIKE i don't

1353
01:13:52,880 --> 01:13:57,439
Speaker 2: never want my lights cut. Off own them. All SO

1354
01:13:57,560 --> 01:13:59,720
Speaker 2: i remember my girl coming home and she was, like

1355
01:14:00,200 --> 01:14:02,719
Speaker 2: why you got why you got credit on your? BILLS

1356
01:14:02,800 --> 01:14:04,400
Speaker 2: i was, Like, HEY i don't never want the light

1357
01:14:04,520 --> 01:14:06,640
Speaker 2: to go. OUT i don't never want the gas to.

1358
01:14:06,720 --> 01:14:08,800
Speaker 4: GO i got an extra.

1359
01:14:08,880 --> 01:14:13,280
Speaker 1: Dollars right point guards out Of, Chicago. Illinois you got the,

1360
01:14:13,520 --> 01:14:18,120
Speaker 1: cheeks you Got Isaella, Thomas Tim, Hardaway but then you

1361
01:14:18,240 --> 01:14:21,840
Speaker 1: got this kid that came in and his name Was Derrick.

1362
01:14:22,000 --> 01:14:25,439
Speaker 1: Rose he's A chicago. Kid he gets Drafted, chicago how

1363
01:14:25,479 --> 01:14:28,519
Speaker 1: you want to get? Drafted and he had a starting

1364
01:14:28,560 --> 01:14:32,559
Speaker 1: his career off the YOUNGEST mvp and he get. Hurt

1365
01:14:32,880 --> 01:14:35,800
Speaker 1: to see D rose where you're at, Now Like i'm

1366
01:14:35,840 --> 01:14:37,720
Speaker 1: so proud of, Him i'm so happy to. Him but

1367
01:14:39,000 --> 01:14:43,680
Speaker 1: That chicago, mentality Point, GUARD i always. Love can you

1368
01:14:43,720 --> 01:14:45,920
Speaker 1: speak on like D rose and like what he mean

1369
01:14:46,040 --> 01:14:49,280
Speaker 1: from coming From chicago and his, career he having to

1370
01:14:49,720 --> 01:14:50,519
Speaker 1: come behind youall.

1371
01:14:50,600 --> 01:14:57,200
Speaker 2: Legacies D rose is is our, ONE i mean the whole. City,

1372
01:14:57,360 --> 01:15:00,400
Speaker 2: yeah and you don't it's hard to put in the

1373
01:15:00,479 --> 01:15:06,040
Speaker 2: words what he really means because he he really lived.

1374
01:15:07,200 --> 01:15:08,640
Speaker 4: All our dreams.

1375
01:15:10,080 --> 01:15:13,560
Speaker 2: Every one of us grew up wanting to. Say and

1376
01:15:13,960 --> 01:15:21,719
Speaker 2: now From chicago with the uniform running, out D rose

1377
01:15:21,800 --> 01:15:26,840
Speaker 2: got to live all our. Dreams and and not only

1378
01:15:26,960 --> 01:15:28,920
Speaker 2: did he get to live, it like like you said,

1379
01:15:28,960 --> 01:15:31,880
Speaker 2: that then he he became the m V p of the.

1380
01:15:32,000 --> 01:15:39,000
Speaker 2: League so everything that we, wanted, like, yeah he he doing.

1381
01:15:39,080 --> 01:15:42,519
Speaker 2: It but not only is he doing, it he including

1382
01:15:42,640 --> 01:15:44,479
Speaker 2: us like he. Ain't he ain't, fake you know WHAT i?

1383
01:15:44,600 --> 01:15:47,479
Speaker 2: Mean he like he ain't like. This he he ain't

1384
01:15:47,520 --> 01:15:50,280
Speaker 2: walking by me like, yo what's? Up he walking by?

1385
01:15:50,360 --> 01:15:50,920
Speaker 4: Me like Hey.

1386
01:15:51,080 --> 01:15:54,400
Speaker 2: Isai it's, like you, know it's still it's Still, Chicago.

1387
01:15:54,560 --> 01:15:57,040
Speaker 2: Love it's not like he it ain't like he left,

1388
01:15:57,120 --> 01:15:58,920
Speaker 2: home you know WHAT i. Mean it's like me and

1389
01:15:59,040 --> 01:16:01,000
Speaker 2: D ROAD i felt like we go To, vienna's you,

1390
01:16:01,080 --> 01:16:04,160
Speaker 2: know a hot, dog you know WHAT i? Mean that

1391
01:16:04,360 --> 01:16:07,720
Speaker 2: that's the and and so for him to to be

1392
01:16:07,920 --> 01:16:10,720
Speaker 2: doing that In chicago and then be named the m

1393
01:16:10,800 --> 01:16:15,680
Speaker 2: V P dunkan and everybody having that attitude where he just,

1394
01:16:15,880 --> 01:16:18,599
Speaker 2: LIKE i ain't gotta say, it but you know What i'm.

1395
01:16:18,760 --> 01:16:21,960
Speaker 3: Bringing that was WHAT i, loved even though he wasn't

1396
01:16:22,120 --> 01:16:26,120
Speaker 3: like the trash talker. Everything And i'm still Seeing. Chicago,

1397
01:16:27,360 --> 01:16:30,360
Speaker 3: yeah my, grind the Way i'm coming, in, hanging the

1398
01:16:30,439 --> 01:16:33,840
Speaker 3: Way i'm banging on it was just LIKE i talked.

1399
01:16:33,640 --> 01:16:37,439
Speaker 4: So much like that young. BOY i mean.

1400
01:16:37,520 --> 01:16:42,760
Speaker 2: That and and then when he got, HURT i think

1401
01:16:42,840 --> 01:16:45,120
Speaker 2: it hurt all of us that we couldn't reach out

1402
01:16:45,200 --> 01:16:50,639
Speaker 2: to him and, say, hey don't play just stop just two,

1403
01:16:50,760 --> 01:16:54,200
Speaker 2: years three years sit out. Here but That chicago grind is,

1404
01:16:54,360 --> 01:16:56,639
Speaker 2: like Now i'm gonna play through. INJURY i ain't gonna.

1405
01:16:56,640 --> 01:16:57,519
Speaker 2: STOP i ain't gonna stop.

1406
01:16:57,600 --> 01:16:57,760
Speaker 3: Now.

1407
01:16:58,520 --> 01:16:59,200
Speaker 4: Perseverance.

1408
01:17:00,640 --> 01:17:04,599
Speaker 2: Now before he went To, DETROIT i remember called him

1409
01:17:04,640 --> 01:17:07,920
Speaker 2: up AND i said to him the same thing That

1410
01:17:08,000 --> 01:17:12,840
Speaker 2: Will robinson said to. ME i, said you ain't gonna

1411
01:17:12,880 --> 01:17:17,960
Speaker 2: never get loved more than when you In, detroit and

1412
01:17:18,600 --> 01:17:22,200
Speaker 2: the way To detroit people respond to him and the

1413
01:17:22,280 --> 01:17:26,600
Speaker 2: way they love, him what he's experiencing now from a

1414
01:17:26,720 --> 01:17:31,639
Speaker 2: community In, detroit he ain't gonna never feel that kind

1415
01:17:31,680 --> 01:17:35,760
Speaker 2: of love. Again, Chicago, Detroit ay man ain't nothing like,

1416
01:17:35,840 --> 01:17:37,439
Speaker 2: it nothing like.

1417
01:17:37,520 --> 01:17:39,680
Speaker 1: It, Yeah i'm very proud of The rolls AND u

1418
01:17:40,680 --> 01:17:44,080
Speaker 1: just that next generation when he came in and to

1419
01:17:44,200 --> 01:17:46,600
Speaker 1: see him now and persevered through his, injuries because you,

1420
01:17:46,640 --> 01:17:48,519
Speaker 1: know it's. Hard you, know you get these, injuries it's

1421
01:17:48,640 --> 01:17:51,800
Speaker 1: hard and your mind can't tell your body.

1422
01:17:51,560 --> 01:17:54,280
Speaker 4: What to do no. More it's like you get down on,

1423
01:17:54,400 --> 01:17:55,800
Speaker 4: yourself you all in your.

1424
01:17:55,840 --> 01:17:58,680
Speaker 1: Head but to see him persevere through them ups and

1425
01:17:58,840 --> 01:18:00,840
Speaker 1: downs and get back to the level that he.

1426
01:18:01,000 --> 01:18:03,160
Speaker 3: Is, now like that is exactly what you said, Though

1427
01:18:03,320 --> 01:18:08,560
Speaker 3: like that that whole perseverance that just that identifies with,

1428
01:18:08,840 --> 01:18:11,640
Speaker 3: us like no matter, what you gotta go. Through like

1429
01:18:11,880 --> 01:18:14,680
Speaker 3: LIKE i was so happy when that boy hit that

1430
01:18:14,800 --> 01:18:19,639
Speaker 3: fifty In. Minnesota it was to me it was more

1431
01:18:19,680 --> 01:18:21,200
Speaker 3: than the. Game it was like it was that was

1432
01:18:21,280 --> 01:18:23,600
Speaker 3: like a fucking championship or, something because it was an

1433
01:18:23,640 --> 01:18:27,120
Speaker 3: accomplishment to say boom just like right, now like right

1434
01:18:27,200 --> 01:18:29,800
Speaker 3: now on the show THAT i do it to turn With.

1435
01:18:29,920 --> 01:18:34,519
Speaker 3: BOUNCE i just gave him the playoffs for six. Hours, like,

1436
01:18:34,640 --> 01:18:37,680
Speaker 3: man this kid Is chicago, tough tough as they, come

1437
01:18:37,800 --> 01:18:39,920
Speaker 3: and just look at. Him he's still doing it in

1438
01:18:40,040 --> 01:18:42,320
Speaker 3: spite of. Everything because LIKE i used to get pissed

1439
01:18:42,320 --> 01:18:45,400
Speaker 3: people on the internet talking crazy doing all these idiot,

1440
01:18:45,520 --> 01:18:48,360
Speaker 3: means talking crab talking about the shoes or. Whatever gonna

1441
01:18:48,360 --> 01:18:51,320
Speaker 3: be something something like all that, stuff like, look you

1442
01:18:51,360 --> 01:18:54,200
Speaker 3: know What i'm, saying like all Letting, Look i'm still

1443
01:18:54,280 --> 01:18:55,880
Speaker 3: here And i'm doing.

1444
01:18:55,960 --> 01:18:58,280
Speaker 2: It this is how good D rose got. It In

1445
01:18:58,400 --> 01:19:01,960
Speaker 2: detroit two thirty he can pull up at the gas,

1446
01:19:02,040 --> 01:19:08,880
Speaker 2: station self, serve go, in, pay pump the, gas come,

1447
01:19:08,920 --> 01:19:14,360
Speaker 2: out and don't nobody mess with. Him i'm gonna say

1448
01:19:14,360 --> 01:19:18,800
Speaker 2: it again two am In. Detroit In, detroit he can

1449
01:19:18,880 --> 01:19:22,040
Speaker 2: put up at the gas, station pump, it go in and,

1450
01:19:22,160 --> 01:19:23,479
Speaker 2: pay and everybody like.

1451
01:19:23,560 --> 01:19:24,439
Speaker 4: That de road.

1452
01:19:24,800 --> 01:19:28,920
Speaker 1: Zero you And Magic johnson was like two of the

1453
01:19:29,000 --> 01:19:31,599
Speaker 1: FIRST nba players THAT i heard of that was really

1454
01:19:31,680 --> 01:19:35,160
Speaker 1: out here spreading your. Wings it wasn't just about. Basketball

1455
01:19:35,240 --> 01:19:37,720
Speaker 1: y'all was buying real. Estate y'all was doing. This and

1456
01:19:37,840 --> 01:19:40,960
Speaker 1: to see kids now venturing, out because, remember it was

1457
01:19:41,439 --> 01:19:43,680
Speaker 1: like a stereotype lest if you're not doing nothing but,

1458
01:19:43,800 --> 01:19:45,800
Speaker 1: basketball you're not doing the right.

1459
01:19:45,920 --> 01:19:48,479
Speaker 4: Thing so can you just speak on just a business?

1460
01:19:48,560 --> 01:19:52,920
Speaker 2: Venture SO i came up with the thought that basketball

1461
01:19:53,720 --> 01:19:56,920
Speaker 2: wasn't going to be the thing that defined me NOW

1462
01:19:57,040 --> 01:19:59,320
Speaker 2: i didn't come up with. That that was my, family

1463
01:19:59,439 --> 01:20:02,479
Speaker 2: that was my, brothers my, sisters that was the. Neighborhood Like,

1464
01:20:03,640 --> 01:20:06,080
Speaker 2: junior you got to be more than just a basketball. Player,

1465
01:20:06,200 --> 01:20:08,599
Speaker 2: like if that's all you, DO i, mean everybody, PLAY

1466
01:20:08,760 --> 01:20:10,800
Speaker 2: i mean what else you're gonna. Do what else you're

1467
01:20:10,800 --> 01:20:14,400
Speaker 2: gonna give back to this? Community And i'm not talking

1468
01:20:14,439 --> 01:20:18,240
Speaker 2: about a basketball. Story what you're gonna do for the.

1469
01:20:18,320 --> 01:20:21,280
Speaker 2: Community how you're going to make this money work for,

1470
01:20:21,479 --> 01:20:23,439
Speaker 2: You how you gotta make this money work for us?

1471
01:20:23,680 --> 01:20:29,920
Speaker 2: Now and then in real, estate affordable, housing because, again

1472
01:20:30,000 --> 01:20:32,120
Speaker 2: you you want to go back to your community and

1473
01:20:32,200 --> 01:20:34,519
Speaker 2: you want to make a, change and how do you

1474
01:20:34,600 --> 01:20:38,880
Speaker 2: make a change, food, clothes and. Shelter and that's that's

1475
01:20:38,960 --> 01:20:40,960
Speaker 2: WHERE i kind of. Operate that's WHERE i come. In

1476
01:20:41,680 --> 01:20:44,760
Speaker 2: the other, thing HOW i got started was really if

1477
01:20:44,800 --> 01:20:48,200
Speaker 2: you look in the sports and entertainment bucket coming out

1478
01:20:48,240 --> 01:20:52,080
Speaker 2: of THE, nba my first acquisition was The Toronto. RAPTORS

1479
01:20:53,080 --> 01:20:56,240
Speaker 2: i became the co founder of The Toronto. Raptors there

1480
01:20:56,320 --> 01:20:59,760
Speaker 2: was two teams that started, internationally The raptors in The Vank.

1481
01:21:00,800 --> 01:21:04,880
Speaker 2: Grizzlies there's only one international team outside of The United

1482
01:21:04,880 --> 01:21:07,360
Speaker 2: states right, now that's The Toronto. Raptors that was the

1483
01:21:07,400 --> 01:21:11,080
Speaker 2: one that we founded and, Started vancouver, failed and now

1484
01:21:11,120 --> 01:21:13,639
Speaker 2: it's In. Memphis so when you look at the success

1485
01:21:13,800 --> 01:21:16,519
Speaker 2: that we've had business wise and what The raptors was all,

1486
01:21:16,560 --> 01:21:18,920
Speaker 2: about and you look at their, colors you look at

1487
01:21:19,280 --> 01:21:21,479
Speaker 2: the way the way they, march the way they, walk

1488
01:21:21,560 --> 01:21:24,120
Speaker 2: the way they, TALK i, mean you really are Seeing,

1489
01:21:24,280 --> 01:21:30,120
Speaker 2: Chicago West Side detroit In. Toronto and that was kind

1490
01:21:30,160 --> 01:21:34,600
Speaker 2: of my first business acquisition in terms of going into international,

1491
01:21:34,680 --> 01:21:37,559
Speaker 2: business in terms of the international. Space so that's why

1492
01:21:37,600 --> 01:21:40,680
Speaker 2: we call It Isaiah international because we do business, worldwide

1493
01:21:41,160 --> 01:21:43,160
Speaker 2: not just necessarily here in The United.

1494
01:21:43,200 --> 01:21:45,960
Speaker 1: STATES i know you've seen like you went into the

1495
01:21:46,120 --> 01:21:48,120
Speaker 1: vision of, like, Man i'm coming in this to try

1496
01:21:48,160 --> 01:21:52,080
Speaker 1: to win a championship In. Toronto to see them win a.

1497
01:21:52,240 --> 01:21:55,599
Speaker 1: Championship now you think back on the time.

1498
01:21:55,479 --> 01:21:56,240
Speaker 4: Where this all.

1499
01:21:56,400 --> 01:21:59,679
Speaker 1: Started you was here when we just opened up gym,

1500
01:21:59,800 --> 01:22:02,400
Speaker 1: up cut the lights. On to see them, winning to

1501
01:22:02,439 --> 01:22:06,040
Speaker 1: see that country went, in the celebration and the. Happiness

1502
01:22:06,120 --> 01:22:09,280
Speaker 1: i'm proud of The toronto community that you was of

1503
01:22:09,439 --> 01:22:11,160
Speaker 1: them getting that, championship.

1504
01:22:10,880 --> 01:22:14,560
Speaker 2: Unbelievably proud and uh in a vision and a and

1505
01:22:14,640 --> 01:22:18,280
Speaker 2: a dream come true and watching it lived out and

1506
01:22:19,400 --> 01:22:23,160
Speaker 2: we probably would have won it earlier HAD i not

1507
01:22:23,400 --> 01:22:26,880
Speaker 2: left because the team that we the team that that

1508
01:22:27,000 --> 01:22:31,240
Speaker 2: we had In. Toronto, again you talk about positionless basketball

1509
01:22:31,240 --> 01:22:33,720
Speaker 2: and the way we were moving towards. Playing so you

1510
01:22:33,760 --> 01:22:36,519
Speaker 2: had stardom are at the, one you Had camby at the.

1511
01:22:36,600 --> 01:22:42,000
Speaker 2: Five you got McGrady And christy And Vince. Carter those

1512
01:22:42,040 --> 01:22:43,840
Speaker 2: are those are your five? Places you put that young

1513
01:22:43,960 --> 01:22:48,280
Speaker 2: five out it's. Problem you, know your point guard is

1514
01:22:48,360 --> 01:22:50,280
Speaker 2: perfect in terms of start of my ire shooting the,

1515
01:22:50,320 --> 01:22:53,240
Speaker 2: three breaking, down penetrating can be in terms of a

1516
01:22:53,360 --> 01:22:56,840
Speaker 2: roll man pick, pop pass. It and then you Got

1517
01:22:56,960 --> 01:23:00,839
Speaker 2: christy McGrady And, carter you got probably you got. Problems

1518
01:23:01,439 --> 01:23:07,560
Speaker 2: that's so to watch them grow and still maintain the

1519
01:23:07,720 --> 01:23:11,439
Speaker 2: values and become the champion that they, became it was

1520
01:23:11,520 --> 01:23:13,960
Speaker 2: just beautiful watching. It and then not only did they

1521
01:23:14,040 --> 01:23:18,320
Speaker 2: take Over, toronto but they took Over canada because because

1522
01:23:18,720 --> 01:23:22,040
Speaker 2: The grizzly. Left so you, know now when you talk

1523
01:23:22,080 --> 01:23:26,120
Speaker 2: about you talk About, canada you don't talk about one.

1524
01:23:26,240 --> 01:23:30,160
Speaker 3: City what are your thoughts On Jamal crawford still not

1525
01:23:30,280 --> 01:23:32,679
Speaker 3: being in the league being picked up by anybody?

1526
01:23:32,760 --> 01:23:34,320
Speaker 4: Yet how ridiculous is.

1527
01:23:34,400 --> 01:23:37,719
Speaker 2: This this is where the this is where the excuse

1528
01:23:37,760 --> 01:23:39,920
Speaker 2: me WHEN i say, this but this is where the

1529
01:23:40,640 --> 01:23:44,040
Speaker 2: the numbers guys got it wrong and they don't understand

1530
01:23:44,120 --> 01:23:48,479
Speaker 2: the impact Of Jamal crawford because his game speaks for,

1531
01:23:48,600 --> 01:23:54,680
Speaker 2: itself but his. Personhood you should want this guy on your,

1532
01:23:54,880 --> 01:23:58,479
Speaker 2: team your locker, room in your locker, ROOM i, mean

1533
01:23:58,640 --> 01:24:03,880
Speaker 2: on your coaching, stuff something, Somewhere Jamal Jamal crawford not

1534
01:24:04,120 --> 01:24:08,360
Speaker 2: being in basketball lets me know that there are a

1535
01:24:08,520 --> 01:24:15,439
Speaker 2: lot OF nba offices that don't understand what the essence

1536
01:24:15,600 --> 01:24:18,320
Speaker 2: of the game is, about not what the papers in

1537
01:24:18,439 --> 01:24:21,920
Speaker 2: the numbers, say but the essence in the locker, room,

1538
01:24:22,520 --> 01:24:26,559
Speaker 2: RIGHT i mean you win basketball games on the plane,

1539
01:24:26,680 --> 01:24:29,920
Speaker 2: ride on the bus, ride and in the training. Room

1540
01:24:31,240 --> 01:24:34,720
Speaker 2: that's where the winning takes place at you, know Like hamilton,

1541
01:24:34,800 --> 01:24:36,320
Speaker 2: SAY i want to be in a room where it.

1542
01:24:36,439 --> 01:24:39,519
Speaker 2: Happens those are the three rooms where it. Happens And

1543
01:24:39,640 --> 01:24:44,200
Speaker 2: Jamal crawford impacts every single one of those rooms that

1544
01:24:44,360 --> 01:24:47,639
Speaker 2: allows people to get out on the floor and feel

1545
01:24:47,720 --> 01:24:51,839
Speaker 2: good about. THEMSELVES i mean you In New, York Jamal

1546
01:24:52,760 --> 01:24:57,920
Speaker 2: marlberry two lethal guard. Combinations marberry being From New, york

1547
01:24:58,400 --> 01:25:00,760
Speaker 2: going through a lot of emotional things that he was

1548
01:25:00,800 --> 01:25:03,040
Speaker 2: going through In New. York like most people don't, Realize

1549
01:25:03,080 --> 01:25:08,559
Speaker 2: My berry's father died in the stands watching him play

1550
01:25:10,040 --> 01:25:13,439
Speaker 2: while The New york fan audience was booing his.

1551
01:25:13,680 --> 01:25:18,599
Speaker 3: SON i remember, that and they booed when they did

1552
01:25:18,680 --> 01:25:20,599
Speaker 3: the damn moment of silence at the damn.

1553
01:25:20,640 --> 01:25:26,160
Speaker 2: Anthem So i'm And i'm Watching marlburry go through tough,

1554
01:25:26,320 --> 01:25:31,120
Speaker 2: situations you, know personally within his. Family then you know his,

1555
01:25:31,920 --> 01:25:34,400
Speaker 2: mom you, KNOW i, mean his, dad and then having

1556
01:25:34,439 --> 01:25:36,840
Speaker 2: to deal with you, know so all of that's going

1557
01:25:36,920 --> 01:25:42,760
Speaker 2: on In Jamal, CRAWFORD i, mean qu was going through your,

1558
01:25:42,840 --> 01:25:45,560
Speaker 2: stuff you, know because were dealing with a lot of,

1559
01:25:46,680 --> 01:25:51,479
Speaker 2: death right. Uh and and THE nba wasn't equipped at

1560
01:25:51,520 --> 01:25:54,559
Speaker 2: that time to handle any of. That so we're dealing

1561
01:25:55,320 --> 01:25:58,600
Speaker 2: and then on top of, that my mother, died you,

1562
01:25:58,720 --> 01:26:00,680
Speaker 2: know not to not to laugh make joke of, it

1563
01:26:00,800 --> 01:26:05,360
Speaker 2: but But Jamal, crawford during that period of, time you're

1564
01:26:05,360 --> 01:26:09,280
Speaker 2: talking about somebody showing up practice every day with the same,

1565
01:26:09,439 --> 01:26:13,639
Speaker 2: attitude playing the same, way and then you Had nate

1566
01:26:13,760 --> 01:26:16,120
Speaker 2: doing all his crazy And jamal, like come, On, nate

1567
01:26:16,240 --> 01:26:18,000
Speaker 2: you can't you can't do that right. NOW i.

1568
01:26:19,640 --> 01:26:21,519
Speaker 4: Remember nate was was was.

1569
01:26:21,560 --> 01:26:25,240
Speaker 2: Going off on something And nate couldn't, stop like once

1570
01:26:25,280 --> 01:26:27,479
Speaker 2: he gets wine wound, up and you know he was, young,

1571
01:26:27,640 --> 01:26:31,280
Speaker 2: right he just have to keep, talking, Right AND i

1572
01:26:31,439 --> 01:26:34,840
Speaker 2: REMEMBER i turned around AND i looked At nate AND

1573
01:26:34,960 --> 01:26:36,800
Speaker 2: i was getting ready to go off On, nate And

1574
01:26:37,000 --> 01:26:39,519
Speaker 2: jamal just like moved a steward right in front Of

1575
01:26:39,680 --> 01:26:41,160
Speaker 2: nate SO i couldn't see.

1576
01:26:41,200 --> 01:26:44,439
Speaker 3: Him, literally it was to the point where we were

1577
01:26:44,560 --> 01:26:46,639
Speaker 3: in a bus or playing. Something nate to be doing

1578
01:26:46,720 --> 01:26:47,639
Speaker 3: some much, either.

1579
01:26:52,439 --> 01:26:54,439
Speaker 4: Man but we had. Fun we had a lot of.

1580
01:26:54,520 --> 01:26:57,439
Speaker 3: FUN i have TO i have to bring this up

1581
01:26:57,520 --> 01:26:59,200
Speaker 3: because the world don't know.

1582
01:26:59,400 --> 01:27:03,160
Speaker 4: It but like, so like you just, said how he

1583
01:27:03,360 --> 01:27:05,880
Speaker 4: hold it, down the og the big.

1584
01:27:06,000 --> 01:27:09,880
Speaker 3: Homie so seriously, though because like so back in six

1585
01:27:10,040 --> 01:27:14,600
Speaker 3: right when my brother got, Killed, zeke this is this

1586
01:27:14,840 --> 01:27:20,800
Speaker 3: is way above and beyond what whatever team was supposed

1587
01:27:20,880 --> 01:27:23,680
Speaker 3: to do or. Whatever like WHEN i say the way

1588
01:27:23,720 --> 01:27:28,439
Speaker 3: you held me, down me and the fan always. Love,

1589
01:27:29,080 --> 01:27:32,439
Speaker 3: yeah and everybody need to know it because you, know

1590
01:27:32,640 --> 01:27:34,880
Speaker 3: whatever shit get talked, about WHATEVER.

1591
01:27:35,160 --> 01:27:35,479
Speaker 4: I know.

1592
01:27:37,200 --> 01:27:39,439
Speaker 3: And what he did for me and my, family not

1593
01:27:39,560 --> 01:27:43,880
Speaker 3: only then, yeah when my brother. PASSED i don't even

1594
01:27:43,920 --> 01:27:45,000
Speaker 3: want to say everything he.

1595
01:27:45,120 --> 01:27:46,800
Speaker 4: Did just know that it was above and.

1596
01:27:46,960 --> 01:27:49,960
Speaker 3: Beyond you feel, me what what what any team or

1597
01:27:49,960 --> 01:27:53,320
Speaker 3: anybody was gonna, do the whole, team like everybody came

1598
01:27:53,400 --> 01:27:56,479
Speaker 3: to the. Funeral but but just forget about, that just for,

1599
01:27:56,600 --> 01:27:59,920
Speaker 3: real the whole support the weeks after WHEN i wul

1600
01:28:00,120 --> 01:28:04,280
Speaker 3: was wiling like Like zeke. Was zeke was there like,

1601
01:28:04,400 --> 01:28:06,479
Speaker 3: yo so you gotta chill, out, bro like you you

1602
01:28:06,560 --> 01:28:09,320
Speaker 3: know What i'm, saying, like and then you fast forward

1603
01:28:09,400 --> 01:28:12,759
Speaker 3: to even when the robberies and stuff was happening In, chicago,

1604
01:28:13,040 --> 01:28:15,160
Speaker 3: like no teams ain't doing. This there was plenty of

1605
01:28:15,240 --> 01:28:18,040
Speaker 3: people playing at who's working out at who's staying living In?

1606
01:28:18,160 --> 01:28:23,280
Speaker 3: Chicago anybody that was with us The. Knicks zeke made

1607
01:28:23,400 --> 01:28:24,439
Speaker 3: SURE i don't even know.

1608
01:28:24,560 --> 01:28:26,760
Speaker 4: How he asked he got our.

1609
01:28:26,840 --> 01:28:30,439
Speaker 3: Addresses then we got texts and he telling us like,

1610
01:28:30,600 --> 01:28:34,200
Speaker 3: listen y'all gonna have unmarked cars at the crib on

1611
01:28:34,400 --> 01:28:38,080
Speaker 3: patrol twenty four to seven to this situation gets gets dealt,

1612
01:28:38,120 --> 01:28:43,920
Speaker 3: with and literally two unmarked cars on the crib doing

1613
01:28:44,120 --> 01:28:46,560
Speaker 3: walk arounds every hour on an, hour we be on

1614
01:28:46,640 --> 01:28:49,760
Speaker 3: the back porch Playing Domino's, kidney playing music and we see.

1615
01:28:49,800 --> 01:28:51,760
Speaker 4: It, dude, hey miss ritch just doing my all.

1616
01:28:51,840 --> 01:28:54,880
Speaker 3: Walk i'm like like straight straight And i'm talking about

1617
01:28:54,880 --> 01:28:57,760
Speaker 3: straight up and down until they caught the people that did.

1618
01:28:57,840 --> 01:28:58,880
Speaker 4: It they was.

1619
01:28:59,000 --> 01:29:01,240
Speaker 3: There, yeah like we ain't, like you, know the whole,

1620
01:29:01,320 --> 01:29:03,680
Speaker 3: city all the whoopers and everybody was on. Alert they

1621
01:29:03,680 --> 01:29:06,240
Speaker 3: were all trying to ROB nba players and follow them.

1622
01:29:06,280 --> 01:29:07,639
Speaker 4: Home all that we ain't worried about.

1623
01:29:07,680 --> 01:29:11,519
Speaker 3: Nothing SO i want everybody you, know how to home

1624
01:29:11,920 --> 01:29:15,000
Speaker 3: the og really really when it mattered like not no,

1625
01:29:15,320 --> 01:29:19,000
Speaker 3: talk not no nothing like showed and proved and you

1626
01:29:19,160 --> 01:29:19,880
Speaker 3: always got my.

1627
01:29:20,000 --> 01:29:23,200
Speaker 2: Love S michell, brother love you too, forever.

1628
01:29:23,120 --> 01:29:25,280
Speaker 3: All, right, Man so as we wrap, up we gotta

1629
01:29:25,360 --> 01:29:29,880
Speaker 3: show our. Love this is the D miles Aka Knucklehead.

1630
01:29:29,439 --> 01:29:32,800
Speaker 4: Black Little marge he.

1631
01:29:33,000 --> 01:29:36,880
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1632
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1633
01:29:40,280 --> 01:29:43,000
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1634
01:29:43,120 --> 01:29:46,720
Speaker 2: Legend, man y'all Got Knucklehead. Edition y'all got on them on.

1635
01:29:46,880 --> 01:29:50,920
Speaker 4: Them it ain't ween own it like hir. Line you

1636
01:29:50,960 --> 01:29:52,760
Speaker 4: know What i'm. Saying we got a. Sponsorship you, know

1637
01:29:53,880 --> 01:29:56,840
Speaker 4: you know we should. Talk, yeah you know you know.

1638
01:29:58,600 --> 01:30:01,160
Speaker 2: When you when you got laying, man you can.

1639
01:30:03,240 --> 01:30:03,760
Speaker 4: Now this is.

1640
01:30:03,880 --> 01:30:06,720
Speaker 2: Great did you ever think when y'all started doing that

1641
01:30:07,320 --> 01:30:10,639
Speaker 2: that it would develop into all of this and still,

1642
01:30:10,760 --> 01:30:13,160
Speaker 2: living still living.

1643
01:30:13,160 --> 01:30:16,320
Speaker 1: Blessings that's the blessings of this. Game this game take

1644
01:30:16,400 --> 01:30:18,639
Speaker 1: you so many different. Words this is, beautiful, Man

1645
01:30:36,439 --> 01:30:39,000
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