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Speaker 2: And Dan and Tie, welcome back to the Cliverbal boys

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Speaker 2: Hilton brand that fine gentleman over there as always the one,

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Speaker 2: Dan Rubinstein, Sir, how you doing today?

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Speaker 1: I'm sick of having to be the one who answers

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Speaker 1: You're putting the personality pressure on me. You're getting a

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Speaker 2: It is pre season polls, but of a different variety. Daniel, Yes,

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Speaker 2: it is the summer of the Verballer, at least the

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Speaker 2: June of the Verballer. So here's what we did. We

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Speaker 2: We have the results for the top three most overrated teams.

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Speaker 1: the personality of Jimbo Fisher, the dust up oh Man,

433
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Speaker 1: the word of the week, the dust up with Nick Saban,

434
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Speaker 1: the recruiting class, and another situation where people are sort

435
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Speaker 1: of sleeping giant Texas A and M where they've never

436
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Speaker 1: proven anything. At least with Texas and USC they had

437
00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:29,320
Speaker 1: their little windows where Texas A and M had, you know,

438
00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:32,800
Speaker 1: Johnny football for a year and a half. That's the

439
00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:36,520
Speaker 1: difference to me. So I think there's certainly hope, and

440
00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:39,160
Speaker 1: you can talk yourself into Texas A and M ascending

441
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Speaker 1: to a certain point. But I don't know if there's

442
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Speaker 1: a lot of overrating A and M. Maybe over hyping

443
00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:48,560
Speaker 1: or over buzzing. But I don't think people are looking

444
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Speaker 1: right now at Texas A and M as like a

445
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Speaker 1: clear threat in the West.

446
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Speaker 2: There's a lot of marketing. We're getting a lot of

447
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Speaker 2: banner ads for Texas M.

448
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Speaker 1: It's the off season.

449
00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:00,879
Speaker 2: Of course at the moment right there a lot of

450
00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:05,240
Speaker 2: Instagram ads. As you're scrolling through your feed talking about

451
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Speaker 2: Texas A and M, reminding you that Texas A and

452
00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:10,680
Speaker 2: M had a historic recruiting class, reminding you of the

453
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Speaker 2: so called dust up with Nick Saban and Jimbo Fisher.

454
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Speaker 2: There's definitely buzz and I think expectations are going to

455
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Speaker 2: continue to rise just as a result of the recruiting

456
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Speaker 2: class and with Jimbo Bean there. Jimbo's won a national championship.

457
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Speaker 2: He's a good coach. I think you're going to continue

458
00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:30,000
Speaker 2: to see that pressure ratchet up.

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Speaker 1: By the way, I have a couple more my just

460
00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:34,359
Speaker 1: cold water overrated teams. Please, what else do you have?

461
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Speaker 1: I don't know if it's internally overrated, but I'm definitely

462
00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:47,119
Speaker 1: throwing some cold water on Oklahoma and Michigan. Michigan is

463
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Speaker 1: a prime candidate for as talented as they've been on offense,

464
00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:56,320
Speaker 1: at least around the quarterback position, recruited really well on defense,

465
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Speaker 1: the combination of two new coordinators a code should rather

466
00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:04,040
Speaker 1: be elsewhere or at one point were very clearly tried

467
00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:07,320
Speaker 1: to be elsewhere and now supposedly has made peace with

468
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:11,800
Speaker 1: the fact that he is the Michigan Man and having

469
00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:15,119
Speaker 1: the kind of game wrecker that aiden Hutchinson was that

470
00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:18,439
Speaker 1: isn't very clearly at least on their roster right now,

471
00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:20,800
Speaker 1: and what that did in terms of how offenses had

472
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Speaker 1: to play. Part of me thinks the twenty twenty one

473
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Speaker 1: Michigan team was lightning in a bottle and there is

474
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Speaker 1: a regression coming, a regression even with the offensive hell

475
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Speaker 1: that they have. That to me is worries some Oklahoma.

476
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Speaker 1: It's just it's unfair to hoist the expectations on Brent

477
00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:45,040
Speaker 1: Venables because of the coaching drama. Like, I definitely think

478
00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:47,960
Speaker 1: Oklahoma's in for a year one adjustment.

479
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I would agree with that. Oklahoma was the first

480
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:53,000
Speaker 2: team I thought of, And I don't mean that in

481
00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:55,600
Speaker 2: a derogatory Wait what a Oklahoma? People who listen to this,

482
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Speaker 2: I'm excited about Oklaholma, I'm going to root for Brent

483
00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:02,920
Speaker 2: Venables like crazy. It's just really, it's just really what why?

484
00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:05,080
Speaker 1: Why? Well, I don't know, you're gonna root for him

485
00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:05,600
Speaker 1: like crazy.

486
00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:09,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a great story, going back home, taking over

487
00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:13,359
Speaker 2: for Lincoln Riley, trying to build the ship in a

488
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:17,000
Speaker 2: different way to spite Lincoln Riley. That's what college football

489
00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:19,320
Speaker 2: is all about. I know, I hear you so yeah,

490
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:20,720
Speaker 2: I'm going to root for him. I want to see

491
00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:22,600
Speaker 2: him do well. I just don't know how well he

492
00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:23,360
Speaker 2: can do in year one.

493
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Speaker 1: I think they're going to have really fun moments on

494
00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:30,040
Speaker 1: both sides of the ball. I'm just not sure that

495
00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:35,120
Speaker 1: they're there in terms of like keep the train going,

496
00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:41,080
Speaker 1: playoff expected, like that's a lot from year one. Next

497
00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:42,600
Speaker 1: tond rated.

498
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Speaker 2: Top three most underrated teams. Here are some of the

499
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Speaker 2: responses we got. I think this is a much more

500
00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:49,080
Speaker 2: interesting question.

501
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Speaker 1: Let's do it.

502
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Speaker 2: I don't like to look at the overrated. Let's talk

503
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:54,200
Speaker 2: about the teams that need a little bit more love.

504
00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:58,680
Speaker 2: The ten twelve network on Twitter says Kansas State, Houston

505
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:03,760
Speaker 2: and Arkansas. Nate, who is a hockey coach up in Minnesota. Hey, Hey,

506
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:08,080
Speaker 2: you've got Iowa, Minnesota, and Wisconsin as his three. Brett

507
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:12,399
Speaker 2: says Maryland, Arkansas. By you another Arkansas to add to

508
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:16,320
Speaker 2: that list. Miles says Baylor, Wisconsin, San Diego State, Dan

509
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:23,000
Speaker 2: Another Minnesota says Virginia Tech, Minnesota, Wazoo. Connor says Baylor,

510
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:28,880
Speaker 2: Oklahoma State. Pitt mike'says Clemson Clemson. Interesting Iowa State question

511
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:31,720
Speaker 2: is an interesting answer, But continue and Carl, it should

512
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:33,840
Speaker 2: be said, gave the same answer for both over and

513
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:36,879
Speaker 2: underrated and saying Michigan, Texas and Notre Dame, which is

514
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:39,120
Speaker 2: actually not a horrible way to approach this question.

515
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:41,080
Speaker 1: That's fine. It's kind of a cop out, but it's good.

516
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:44,679
Speaker 2: Explain Clemson to me. Why do you think that's an

517
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:46,439
Speaker 2: interesting answer from I just think.

518
00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:49,399
Speaker 1: They're below the radar right now. Now. I understand the

519
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:54,440
Speaker 1: criticism surrounding Dabbo and the transfer portal and potentially missing

520
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:56,920
Speaker 1: on DJU just to you know, to keep the five

521
00:27:57,000 --> 00:28:00,119
Speaker 1: star thing going where you know, at the moment, it

522
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:04,639
Speaker 1: seems like a misevaluation. We'll see by everybody involved.

523
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:06,600
Speaker 2: That.

524
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Speaker 1: I just think coming off of last year that they

525
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:13,560
Speaker 1: were quietly pre I mean, they were excellent on defense,

526
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:16,960
Speaker 1: but they quietly improved within the acc they I think

527
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:21,560
Speaker 1: they exclusively lost to good to really good teams. There

528
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:23,560
Speaker 1: were close calls against not so good teams. I hear you.

529
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:28,480
Speaker 1: But right now is the time in which Dabbo can

530
00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:32,800
Speaker 1: most effectively say, like you know, the the Roy buss

531
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:34,480
Speaker 1: and everything like that, that like they can say, no,

532
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:37,760
Speaker 1: everybody's just talking about, you know, Alabama returning a Heisman

533
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:40,280
Speaker 1: quarterback in Ohio State, you know, with the new hires

534
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:42,440
Speaker 1: and peaking and all these crazy receivers year in and

535
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:46,480
Speaker 1: year out. Whereas Clemson, I think there's reason why people

536
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:52,840
Speaker 1: are sleeping on the Tigers, especially on offense. But I

537
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:55,720
Speaker 1: and the loss of the coaches that they lost, of course,

538
00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:59,840
Speaker 1: but that sort of qualifies as underrating them because of

539
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:02,720
Speaker 1: I still think they have an interesting ceiling, sure, but

540
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:06,560
Speaker 1: they are finding themselves on the outer orbit of those

541
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:09,520
Speaker 1: elite team conversations because of last year.

542
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:13,520
Speaker 2: It's tough to list a team like Clemson that's got

543
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:15,320
Speaker 2: an over under of ten and a half wins.

544
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Speaker 1: And I agree, category oh, I agree that there are

545
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:22,960
Speaker 1: expectations that they bounce back. I just I'm talking about

546
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 1: underrated in terms of like, it's just seems to have

547
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 1: been a very quiet off season so far now in

548
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 1: terms of people talking Clemson football.

549
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Speaker 2: By the way, I was prepared on the episode we

550
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 2: did on Tuesday to say that my we were doing

551
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:43,120
Speaker 2: like a little bit of a game. You and I

552
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:46,920
Speaker 2: just internally on our slack chat about who is this

553
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 2: year's Michigan or who is this Alabama. I think you

554
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:55,600
Speaker 2: can make a pretty good case this year's Georgia could

555
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 2: be Clemson. Maybe we'll get into that at some point.

556
00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:01,120
Speaker 2: I like Clemson a lot. A lot does depend on

557
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:03,240
Speaker 2: that quarterback spot. Though they're going to have a defense,

558
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 2: it's very solid. They're going to be healthier you would

559
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 2: presume on offense. You would hope on offense. The quarterback

560
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:12,280
Speaker 2: thing I think is going to be pretty big as well.

561
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 2: The coaching staff, see.

562
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Speaker 1: I just don't think they have the guys on offense

563
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 1: like I think their recruiting has or their evaluation or

564
00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:21,000
Speaker 1: development or something like. The killer receivers don't seem to

565
00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:24,840
Speaker 1: be there. The offensive line seems to be like pretty average,

566
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:27,840
Speaker 1: and we'll see if it improves this year. I don't

567
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:30,520
Speaker 1: know what the Georgia comp is, but well, we'll get

568
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:32,120
Speaker 1: into that on another show. But I want to keep

569
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:34,520
Speaker 1: going through these because it got good answers for me.

570
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:37,480
Speaker 1: The two, Yeah, the two that I'll throw out here.

571
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:40,760
Speaker 1: Minnesota was mentioned a couple times. Minnesota is over under

572
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:42,840
Speaker 1: a seven and a half. I made the bet on

573
00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:47,240
Speaker 1: the Tuesday podcast. I quite literally log.

574
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:50,280
Speaker 2: The bet for over Minnesota seven and a half on

575
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:54,560
Speaker 2: the last podcast. Because a lot coming back veteran leadership

576
00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:58,240
Speaker 2: schedule works very much to their favor. I think Minnesota

577
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:01,080
Speaker 2: is a good answer for underrated. I'd also throw Texas

578
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:03,400
Speaker 2: Tech in for reasons that we described in our schedule

579
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 2: previews show weeks ago. Texas Tech's interesting to me, if

580
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 2: only because they find themselves playing pretty much everyone on

581
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:15,800
Speaker 2: their schedule at a really interesting point. Yep, They're like

582
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 2: for the opponents, Yeah, they're They're the ever present Forrest

583
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 2: Gump team where they just find their way into weird situations.

584
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:24,080
Speaker 2: And they're gonna dump a couple teams. I don't know

585
00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:26,600
Speaker 2: who yet, but it will happen, and I think because

586
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:29,320
Speaker 2: of that, it'll help Joey McGuire build a little bit

587
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:30,240
Speaker 2: of momentum in Ubbick.

588
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:35,240
Speaker 1: Here's my question, what do you think about I have

589
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 1: Baylor as underrated because they full on one the Big

590
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:43,080
Speaker 1: twelve last year very early on great and Dave Rand's

591
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 1: tenure and outside of Bohannan transferring and shape and being

592
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:49,200
Speaker 1: named the guy, and I don't know how many assistants.

593
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:51,400
Speaker 1: I know they lost one assistant on defense at least,

594
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:55,560
Speaker 1: but I don't know year two of Grimes calling the

595
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 1: plays on offense, Like I just David Randa's defense is

596
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:03,960
Speaker 1: pretty multiple and complicated and just getting more experienced with that. Like,

597
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:09,400
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think they're sneaky dangerous again, and

598
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 1: I have not jumped into what they do and don't

599
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:14,880
Speaker 1: return overall as a roster. But I don't know. The

600
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 1: Baylor conversation has not been all that loud. I have

601
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 1: NC State as underrated, but inching towards properly rated. Like,

602
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:24,920
Speaker 1: I think people are accepting of NC State as a

603
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:30,239
Speaker 1: legit good team right now, and so it's hard at

604
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:33,120
Speaker 1: NC State to be a team that's always talked about

605
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:36,600
Speaker 1: all off season long. But still I think they have

606
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:39,680
Speaker 1: a good amount of potential with the defense and quarterback returning.

607
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:46,720
Speaker 1: I've got another team for you. Is LSU underrated right? Yes? LSU? Yes,

608
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 1: Here's what LSU is. They're a team with talent at

609
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:54,720
Speaker 1: most places, if not all places, raw, undeveloped, potentially quarterback

610
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 1: questions for sure. New head coach and staff obviously, But

611
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:02,840
Speaker 1: what they did was replace a head coach with incredible

612
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:09,920
Speaker 1: highs and dumbfounding lows with I know you're gonna there's

613
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:12,040
Speaker 1: too much baggage, there's too much background with you and

614
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:15,320
Speaker 1: this coach and Brian Kelly. Brian Kelly might be one

615
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:17,000
Speaker 1: of the three or four best coaches in the sport.

616
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 1: Correct And if nothing else, what Brian Kelly does say

617
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:25,320
Speaker 1: for a four and eight year you remember that is

618
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:29,760
Speaker 1: win a ton of games without high level quarterback play.

619
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Speaker 2: Yes, he's very good at that.

620
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:35,040
Speaker 1: And what LSU has had since Nick Saban, unless Miles

621
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:40,840
Speaker 1: and ed Orgeron, has been volatility. Brian Kelly brings a

622
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:46,480
Speaker 1: certain amount of been there, done that. I turned non

623
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:50,840
Speaker 1: NFL quarterbacks into winning college football quarterbacks. And maybe LSU

624
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:53,040
Speaker 1: has won two three NFL quarterbacks all the Russia. I

625
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 1: don't know, But right now there's just a quarterback question

626
00:33:56,160 --> 00:34:00,360
Speaker 1: and that never phases Brian Kelly as he continues used

627
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 1: to win games with quarterback questions, and LSU is now

628
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:10,200
Speaker 1: locking into a full on, very strong coach. Here is why.

629
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Speaker 2: I like LSU as an answer here in the underrated

630
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:17,239
Speaker 2: category for those of us who are familiar with the

631
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:20,680
Speaker 2: work of one BK. Brian Kelly in his time at

632
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:23,920
Speaker 2: Notre Dame, especially when he first got there. Not to

633
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:26,560
Speaker 2: say this wasn't the case throughout his tenure, but when

634
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:29,600
Speaker 2: he coached his first season in South Bend in twenty ten,

635
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:32,359
Speaker 2: that was a young team that was a scrappy team,

636
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 2: and he was very much rebuilding after the proverbial flood.

637
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:39,279
Speaker 2: That was a team that went eight and five. They

638
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 2: played hard in every single game, they won the Sun

639
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:47,880
Speaker 2: Bowl whatever it was, and that team was so scrappy,

640
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 2: and I think for those of us that followed Notre

641
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:53,120
Speaker 2: Dame football and a Notre Dame fans, we came away

642
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:55,319
Speaker 2: from that season feeling pretty good about what the next

643
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:58,040
Speaker 2: season had in store, feeling like things were about to

644
00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 2: take a leap. Now didn't quite take a leap per se.

645
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 2: All right, they went eight and five the following year

646
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:06,360
Speaker 2: as well, I think. But the point here is just

647
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:09,560
Speaker 2: that at LSU, where there's more talent on hand, and

648
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 2: year one for Brian Kelly, I think you can immediately

649
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 2: expect to see some sort of impact like that, or

650
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 2: just the team is playing harder and the team is feistier,

651
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:21,800
Speaker 2: and the team is in more games and has a

652
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:24,600
Speaker 2: chance to win more games than under the previous regime.

653
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:29,080
Speaker 2: There were moments under Coacho and ed Orgron where you're wondering, like,

654
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:33,640
Speaker 2: what's the situation at LSU? Yeah, are these guys playing

655
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:36,359
Speaker 2: to their full potential right now? I think BK will

656
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 2: get the most out of that roster as humanly possible,

657
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:41,359
Speaker 2: and I expect that they're going to be a much

658
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 2: tougher out even if they're out. Winning nine games are

659
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:44,759
Speaker 2: tough out.

660
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 1: I am bullish on Brian Kelly, who did not bat

661
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:53,799
Speaker 1: a thousand doings. So, but hiring coordinators after the string

662
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:59,080
Speaker 1: of defensive coordinators and Elko Lee and Marcus Freeman offensive

663
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:02,960
Speaker 1: coordinator has been sort of hit and miss. Chip Long

664
00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 1: was good for the program, kind of hit his limit,

665
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:11,120
Speaker 1: but they were an efficient offense with Chiplong and look

666
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 1: he hired BVG like. Let there's like there there were

667
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:17,000
Speaker 1: there were bad moments, but I think in the wake

668
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:20,080
Speaker 1: of who had Orgeron hired posts Joe Brady and dave

669
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:22,719
Speaker 1: A Randa, that has to be looked at as a

670
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 1: positive and to me, thus underrating LSU in the short

671
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:26,920
Speaker 1: and near term.

672
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 2: Let's go on or play the sound one more time?

673
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 2: Just sorry, can reset here place. Of course, the results

674
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 2: are in for the three best college football TV announcers. Okay, okay,

675
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:46,239
Speaker 2: So a couple of ways that we need to approach this.

676
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:49,680
Speaker 2: We got a variety of different answers because there are

677
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 2: different classifications. If you will they're the obvious play by

678
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 2: play guys for the for the sake of argument, here

679
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 2: we wordted it such that, like, hey, give us your

680
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:05,879
Speaker 2: top three favorite college football TV guys. I'm talking more current. Yep,

681
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:07,880
Speaker 2: we're talking current. So we got a lot of Keith Jackson,

682
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 2: which is an acceptable answer, and vernal one twist very

683
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:15,000
Speaker 2: acceptable answers, also not still announcing college football. So I

684
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:18,160
Speaker 2: got those off of our list here, but these are

685
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:21,359
Speaker 2: current guys. We got play by play. We also got

686
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:25,480
Speaker 2: the color analyst. We also got studio, we got sideline.

687
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:26,959
Speaker 2: There are a couple of different ways you could answer

688
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:29,120
Speaker 2: this question, so here is some of what we got.

689
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 2: Tyler says Gus Gus Johnson, Sean McDonough and Brad Nessler,

690
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 2: Carson Cunningham, Hello Carson, says Joel Klatt, Herbie Todd black Ledge.

691
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 2: He also throws Nessler, Fowler and McDonough in the play

692
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:47,879
Speaker 2: by play category. Ye Royce, who's been with us forever,

693
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:50,680
Speaker 2: big time Auburn fan. Hello Royce, Hope you're doing well,

694
00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:54,399
Speaker 2: says Brad Nessler. Chris Fowler, Mark Jones A good name

695
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:55,080
Speaker 2: to throw in here.

696
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:55,879
Speaker 1: Yep.

697
00:37:56,520 --> 00:38:01,640
Speaker 2: Rev dj EESQ, says Joel Klatt. Kirk curb Street, Brad Nessler,

698
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:06,280
Speaker 2: Andy Roberts throws another of the kind of split finger

699
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:10,680
Speaker 2: play by play color analyst thing with Sean McDonough. Brad Nesler,

700
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:15,160
Speaker 2: Joe Tessitoor another good name, along with Joel Klatt, Kirk

701
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:19,240
Speaker 2: curb Street, Todd Blackledge, Joe Wright. Here's a few new names.

702
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:24,680
Speaker 2: Tom Hart, who I believe is SEC Network, and West Durham.

703
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:27,400
Speaker 2: We've I think we've talked to Wes before, have we not?

704
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:32,600
Speaker 2: ACC Network ACC Network? Yep. Bob was choosing from Daniel.

705
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 2: So some good names here. We didn't ask this question

706
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:38,960
Speaker 2: to be critical. Being announced is a very difficult job.

707
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:42,759
Speaker 2: So this is more just playing the hits, skies or

708
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:46,359
Speaker 2: gals who speak to us in the announcing field, right.

709
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:48,960
Speaker 1: It's it's rising to the level of the atmosphere and

710
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:51,359
Speaker 1: the moment. There's a lot of different things. It's been

711
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 1: a good quick descriptor. It's sometimes not talking. It's people

712
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:57,440
Speaker 1: understanding when to pull away from the mic and not

713
00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:00,160
Speaker 1: just feel that you are hosting the football show, oh,

714
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:03,239
Speaker 1: but rather following along with the game, and the game

715
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 1: is the star. I think those are all good names.

716
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:07,120
Speaker 1: I think Sean McDonough you can tell a lot of

717
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:10,400
Speaker 1: the times when guys have radio experience, Yeah, because they're

718
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:13,480
Speaker 1: painting a picture, because obviously they have the physical view,

719
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:16,600
Speaker 1: but they're also in a stadium. They're also trying to

720
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:19,279
Speaker 1: take in the totality of the scene. So they're trying

721
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 1: to paint a picture, and so those guys tend to

722
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:22,720
Speaker 1: be a little bit better guys or gals.

723
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:24,440
Speaker 2: I am.

724
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:28,360
Speaker 1: I am in favor of lot. I think Brad Nesler

725
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:31,480
Speaker 1: does a great job like there is. I think he

726
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:34,759
Speaker 1: is like one of the lasts of a generation who

727
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:37,440
Speaker 1: brings a little bit of and I don't think it's

728
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 1: inauthentic like folksiness.

729
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:41,080
Speaker 2: There's a little bit of Musburger there, a little bit

730
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:42,200
Speaker 2: of Musburger.

731
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 1: Musburger, Keith Jackson like there's all you know, get crosses

732
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:47,880
Speaker 1: over into baseball and basketball, like you know, there's just

733
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 1: like I'm here for you and I'm gonna tell you

734
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:54,879
Speaker 1: what's going on there is that that to a lot

735
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 1: of the older generation of play by play guys like

736
00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 1: I think Fowler and Herbstreet are very very good. They

737
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:05,200
Speaker 1: do a good job rising to the moment, and there's

738
00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 1: some difficulties in the job, of course, in trying to

739
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:11,160
Speaker 1: stall or buy time when it's forty one to thirteen

740
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:15,080
Speaker 1: start of the third something like that. But all in all,

741
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:17,800
Speaker 1: I think who we have in the booth now like

742
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:21,719
Speaker 1: just everybody's gonna find somebody annoying and somebody's just not

743
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:25,600
Speaker 1: going to land and that's fine. Like there are times

744
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:27,920
Speaker 1: where I think Gus Johnson does a great job, and

745
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:30,320
Speaker 1: there are times where I think Gus Johnson is trying

746
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:34,840
Speaker 1: to be Gus Johnson in the booth inauthentically, and so

747
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:36,920
Speaker 1: I think he does a very good job. But there

748
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:40,440
Speaker 1: are those times where I remember, like Gus Johnson and

749
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:44,440
Speaker 1: Joel Klatt complaining about statistics or something or what do

750
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:47,160
Speaker 1: they call they call everything analytics, even though it's not

751
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:50,480
Speaker 1: a catch all term where partner, I'm old school and

752
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:52,440
Speaker 1: I don't know about these analytics. I'm like, it's not

753
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:55,000
Speaker 1: why you're here. It's not why you're here, Gus and Joel. Sorry,

754
00:40:56,200 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 1: So I'm I'm good with basically everybody who is named here,

755
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:03,000
Speaker 1: And I really do like I think it's Tom Hart

756
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:05,880
Speaker 1: does it with Jordan Rodgers and Cole Kublick. I think

757
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 1: that's throwing the SEC network. Yeah, there is a certain

758
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:12,879
Speaker 1: amount in that crew, and it's not limited to that crew,

759
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 1: of course, of we are pumped for this game, we

760
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:19,719
Speaker 1: are pumped to be here, we are pumped to share

761
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:22,239
Speaker 1: the excitement of this game, and we're pumped to see

762
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:24,960
Speaker 1: what's going on and to ride this way with everybody

763
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:28,480
Speaker 1: watching that you don't get week in and week out

764
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:31,440
Speaker 1: that kind of enthusiasm. There is enthusiasm for the product,

765
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:34,279
Speaker 1: which I think goes a long way with that specific crew,

766
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:38,480
Speaker 1: So I'm for it. It's tough with some of the

767
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:41,920
Speaker 1: conference networks where you're juggling, like especially in the studio,

768
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:44,720
Speaker 1: like there's part of you that is working in PR

769
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:48,040
Speaker 1: right that you're just like yah, you're coming across kind

770
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 1: of in a cheese ball way, And I understand the like, look,

771
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:54,120
Speaker 1: there are only so many jobs. You got a good gig,

772
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 1: take it. But for those games on the conference networks,

773
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:01,200
Speaker 1: be it ACC Network, SEC Network, Big ten, PAC twelve, whatever,

774
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:04,560
Speaker 1: like all at all, I think the product has been

775
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:07,440
Speaker 1: pretty good. Harder to see in the PAC twelve, but

776
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:10,680
Speaker 1: there's an amount of enthusiasm there. Like even the PAC

777
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 1: twelve network, which doesn't get a bunch of great games,

778
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:15,239
Speaker 1: they're getting you know, Down Colorado against Down Arizona or

779
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:19,240
Speaker 1: something like that, Like you're like, you're still getting Ted Robinson,

780
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:21,520
Speaker 1: who's a legendary announcer. We love Yogi Roth and how

781
00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:24,840
Speaker 1: much he loves West Coast football, Like, I'm great with it.

782
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:29,920
Speaker 1: I like to hear people happy to be where they are.

783
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:33,360
Speaker 2: The reason that I like this question is because it

784
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:36,560
Speaker 2: very much is a question of style. Yeah, it's like

785
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:41,280
Speaker 2: comedy podcasts, right, everybody's got their own genre, their own corner,

786
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:45,240
Speaker 2: their own thing that speaks to them. And college football

787
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:48,200
Speaker 2: announcing really, anybody on TV, any kind of TV presenter

788
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 2: falls into that category. And so what I enjoy just

789
00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:54,920
Speaker 2: in looking over the list that we got sent to us,

790
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:57,040
Speaker 2: even as I try to put my own list together,

791
00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:02,120
Speaker 2: is which of the styles are personally interesting to me

792
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:05,200
Speaker 2: because they enhance my experience of watching the game, And

793
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:08,200
Speaker 2: which of the styles are interesting with their announcing partners. So,

794
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:11,759
Speaker 2: like somebody mentioned, Bob was Shuzen, Bob was Shuzen may

795
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:13,440
Speaker 2: not be the first name that comes to mind, but

796
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:16,120
Speaker 2: Bob was Shuzen called games last year with dan Olovski.

797
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 2: Danilovsky is brilliant when it comes to the x's and

798
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:24,160
Speaker 2: o's of football, like polarizing he's incredible. He is polarizing

799
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:26,600
Speaker 2: to some extent because it is a little bit like

800
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:28,320
Speaker 2: drinking out of a fire hose. And I mean that

801
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:31,799
Speaker 2: Dan in the best, most respectful way possible. Yeah, Okay,

802
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:35,040
Speaker 2: It does not necessarily connect with someone like me, Bob

803
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:37,840
Speaker 2: was Shuzin's job as an announcer is to try and

804
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:41,919
Speaker 2: bring that back to someone like me and my level,

805
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:44,279
Speaker 2: and that can be very difficult to do on the

806
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:46,799
Speaker 2: fly when you've got a lot going on in front

807
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:48,960
Speaker 2: of you. Right, that is a different style that he

808
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:52,840
Speaker 2: has to adapt to that may not be readily apparent

809
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:55,480
Speaker 2: to those of you at home. Mark Jones is a

810
00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:58,279
Speaker 2: great answer. Mark Jones worked games last year with Robert

811
00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:02,360
Speaker 2: Griffin the Third. Robert Griffin brings his own flare to

812
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:05,440
Speaker 2: the announcing booth, sometimes a bit of reverence, sometimes a

813
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:08,520
Speaker 2: little bit disorganized. We love him, We think he's great.

814
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:12,480
Speaker 2: I'd love to hear especially given the inexperience. Yeah, we'd

815
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:14,439
Speaker 2: love to hear more of RG three. I think he's

816
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:17,360
Speaker 2: got a bright future in the announcing world. But for

817
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:20,200
Speaker 2: a veteran like Mark Jones, that's got its own unique

818
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:23,480
Speaker 2: set of challenges, right to try and corral that enthusiasm

819
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:26,359
Speaker 2: and find a way to not distract from what's going

820
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:28,880
Speaker 2: on on the TV screen. So each of these guys

821
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:32,960
Speaker 2: with their pairings have interesting circumstances that they need to

822
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:35,840
Speaker 2: overcome and try to present to the home viewers. So

823
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:39,000
Speaker 2: you know, I could list everybody here on this list

824
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 2: in front of me. I've got a Wikipedia page up,

825
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:43,200
Speaker 2: I could list everybody. I always throw Tom lugan Bill out.

826
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:44,960
Speaker 2: I love Tom lugan Bill. I think Tom Lugan Bil

827
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:48,960
Speaker 2: does a fantastic job as a sideline game analyst. It

828
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:52,480
Speaker 2: is a very difficult jobful.

829
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:55,479
Speaker 1: And so inevitably any of the analysts in the booth

830
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 1: specifically are going to piss off somebody at home watching

831
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:00,879
Speaker 1: because they're going to say something bad about their team.

832
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:01,279
Speaker 2: Right.

833
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:04,040
Speaker 1: I don't like herb Street, I don't like Joel Klatt,

834
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:06,640
Speaker 1: I don't like RG three. I don't like Dan Rolovsky

835
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:10,920
Speaker 1: because they said that this linebacker's hit was definitely targeting. Right,

836
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:15,120
Speaker 1: They're like, screw, that guy doesn't know anything about my team.

837
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:16,840
Speaker 1: He doesn't know the rules, he doesn't he has it

838
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:18,520
Speaker 1: out for us because he just thinks it's fun to

839
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 1: pick on us. Blobbery blahbadi blas So that's gonna be everybody.

840
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:24,400
Speaker 1: But what I do appreciate, especially from analysts, because I

841
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 1: think it's more their job is leaning into who they

842
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:32,239
Speaker 1: are and they're not all the same. They're all asked

843
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:33,480
Speaker 1: to do the same thing. And that's what you talk

844
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:35,480
Speaker 1: about with Dan ro Loofski versus RG three, Like I

845
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:37,960
Speaker 1: think RG three comes at it much more from an

846
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:41,839
Speaker 1: emotional and recently experienced perspective, whereas Dan Rolofsky is coming

847
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 1: at it from like, the reason why they screwed up

848
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:46,479
Speaker 1: that third down play is the quarterback was late trying

849
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:48,279
Speaker 1: to hit this window in the zone. He needs to

850
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:50,640
Speaker 1: throw it here with this timing and with this footwork.

851
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:52,920
Speaker 1: The receiver did the right thing. So even though it

852
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:54,920
Speaker 1: looks like the receiver was late or something like that,

853
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:56,719
Speaker 1: in fact it was the quarterback who was late, and

854
00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:59,120
Speaker 1: he's drawing it on the board. Now, some people don't

855
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:01,399
Speaker 1: want that technical to experience when they're in the midst

856
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:03,839
Speaker 1: of watching college football game. It's much better served after

857
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:07,400
Speaker 1: the game or before the game or whatever. But he

858
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:11,640
Speaker 1: adds interesting context to metally, and so what I want

859
00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:14,239
Speaker 1: more of from RG three is more of what Dan

860
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:16,200
Speaker 1: Rolovsky is doing and what I want more of from

861
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:18,960
Speaker 1: dan Rolovsky is what RG three is doing, right, want

862
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:22,040
Speaker 1: I want dan Rolovsky's id. I want him to be

863
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:25,800
Speaker 1: excited more just for the sake of being excited, just

864
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:29,920
Speaker 1: because of safety made an unbelievable play, and not describe

865
00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:32,400
Speaker 1: the assignment. Just be like, this guy is just a

866
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:34,719
Speaker 1: monster on It's a little bit at times it comes

867
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:38,960
Speaker 1: across as a little bit too mathematical, right, right, But

868
00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:42,560
Speaker 1: what I'm saying is the guys who do who don't

869
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:45,440
Speaker 1: go into a specific direction in the booth or gals

870
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 1: on the sideline in the booth whatever. The people who

871
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:53,720
Speaker 1: don't do that are the people happily just making everybody

872
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:58,440
Speaker 1: think they are fine, right that, Like they take no chances.

873
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 1: They just say, well, we'll see what happens next series,

874
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:05,759
Speaker 1: and they're just playing Jane B minuses. That's what a

875
00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:08,360
Speaker 1: That's why I don't think you are this. But I

876
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:11,319
Speaker 1: would love for you to get wild more often. Tie.

877
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:14,080
Speaker 1: You're trying to rain me in all the time, But

878
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:15,759
Speaker 1: I want to be able to rain you. I want

879
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:19,160
Speaker 1: I want to be the one saying easy, Tie, easy.

880
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:22,400
Speaker 2: But now that you left the day job, you get

881
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:24,560
Speaker 2: me talking about Notre Dame announcers. Then maybe we'll get.

882
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:27,719
Speaker 1: Right who has been the best the single? I mean,

883
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:31,120
Speaker 1: you have Tarico, Terrico's great, right, Arico's been incredible? Yeah, yeah,

884
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:31,680
Speaker 1: he's lights out.

885
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:34,080
Speaker 2: Tarico's been incredible. Dan Hicks was very good. You know

886
00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 2: where I stand on Tom Hammond though I don't want.

887
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:40,200
Speaker 1: To, don't want into it. He seemed into being there

888
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:43,480
Speaker 1: and the stage of the game, right or was he

889
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:44,279
Speaker 1: a little bit too?

890
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:48,560
Speaker 2: None of none of the announcers that NBC has put

891
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:52,920
Speaker 2: on the Notre Dame assignment have been not into it?

892
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:54,640
Speaker 1: Right of course? All right?

893
00:47:54,719 --> 00:47:55,040
Speaker 2: Who is he?

894
00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:56,800
Speaker 1: Who is he? Paired with Pat Hayden?

895
00:47:57,080 --> 00:47:59,440
Speaker 2: He was with Pat Hayden for a while. Yeah, yeah, okay,

896
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:03,000
Speaker 2: yeah yeah. So who knows what it looks like this

897
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:05,879
Speaker 2: coming year. I'm sure I'll have more opinions as week,

898
00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:07,759
Speaker 2: of course, as we get a better sense for what

899
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:11,040
Speaker 2: that broadcast looks like. But won't be Drew Brees. We

900
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:14,320
Speaker 2: know that. Let's move on, Let's go to put the

901
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:16,440
Speaker 2: sound again. I believe the results are in for this one.

902
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:18,880
Speaker 2: Do you want to do the least fun teams to

903
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:19,279
Speaker 2: root for?

904
00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:23,520
Speaker 1: Dude? Because I have I think I have a really

905
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:26,040
Speaker 1: strong wild card answer. That nobody gave us.

906
00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:29,520
Speaker 2: Continue, the question was the three least fun teams to

907
00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:31,840
Speaker 2: root for, and as you might expect, this got the

908
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:36,200
Speaker 2: most response. All of these questions got a ton of response,

909
00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:38,680
Speaker 2: but this one got the most, and so I thought

910
00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:40,960
Speaker 2: the questions. Actually, what I tried to do was pull

911
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:44,759
Speaker 2: out the ones that weren't answering from a place of snark, which,

912
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:46,520
Speaker 2: by the way, as I said earlier, is alive and

913
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:47,080
Speaker 2: well within the.

914
00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:49,080
Speaker 1: Forballer of course, always I was.

915
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:51,400
Speaker 2: Trying to pull from the people who I believe answered

916
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:54,640
Speaker 2: this question seriously. So our friend Allan Kenny blatant homer ism, yeah,

917
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:58,960
Speaker 2: says quote. I can't, I honestly can't imagine how not

918
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:03,080
Speaker 2: fun it must have been rooting for Texas for the

919
00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:07,360
Speaker 2: last decade plus. Yeah, now, Allen's an Oklahoma guy, but

920
00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:11,920
Speaker 2: the point is well taken on the Texas side. Johnny

921
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:15,360
Speaker 2: Fonte also throws out Texas. He mentions Tennessee, which I

922
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:16,759
Speaker 2: think is another great answer here.

923
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:19,160
Speaker 1: I was going to say, the most honest answers might

924
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:24,319
Speaker 1: be about your team's rival, where you're saying, like, look,

925
00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:27,920
Speaker 1: I know I don't want Texas to win, but man,

926
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:30,880
Speaker 1: does that experience like on a human level, Like I

927
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:33,480
Speaker 1: feel the same way about Washington, Like it can't be

928
00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:38,000
Speaker 1: fun to be a Washington fan, not because of my

929
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:41,440
Speaker 1: enjoying beating my brother as a rival, whatever, but more

930
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:45,040
Speaker 1: because Washington got a taste and then they couldn't get

931
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:47,080
Speaker 1: out of They lose Chris Peterson, they couldn't get out

932
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:49,080
Speaker 1: of the way. They make a bad hire. Who makes

933
00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:52,239
Speaker 1: bad coordinator hires? And there's like they got a taste

934
00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:53,719
Speaker 1: in the nineties, they got to taste at the turn

935
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:55,960
Speaker 1: of the century. They've been down to their rival for

936
00:49:56,040 --> 00:49:59,880
Speaker 1: a good amount of time. And the same applies for

937
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:03,800
Speaker 1: Texas and Oklahoma or whoever where you're just like, you

938
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:05,800
Speaker 1: get a taste and then you can't get out of

939
00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:07,200
Speaker 1: your own way trying to get it back.

940
00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:11,480
Speaker 2: Chaka mentions Kansas, which is a different approach to this

941
00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:13,760
Speaker 2: question as well. I don't think that's right, but continue

942
00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:17,680
Speaker 2: Nebraska and Maryland. Yeah, I mean it's been rough for

943
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:20,640
Speaker 2: each of those schools in their own regard, but it

944
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:24,600
Speaker 2: is definitely a different approach to the question, approach to

945
00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:27,440
Speaker 2: the answer than someone right, you know who might say Texas.

946
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:31,760
Speaker 2: Mark says, I don't understand how anyone can rule for Iowa.

947
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:35,320
Speaker 2: It is such an unpleasant brand of football.

948
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:41,160
Speaker 1: Okay, it would be very difficult Iowa wins games. Though

949
00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:44,960
Speaker 1: they do they win games, it's not probably the most

950
00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:46,839
Speaker 1: fun experience. For the first time in a long time,

951
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:48,640
Speaker 1: I had that experience as an Oregon fan this year

952
00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:50,560
Speaker 1: where Oregon won ten games, and it was just not

953
00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:55,160
Speaker 1: that fun to watch. But at least it's not new

954
00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:59,560
Speaker 1: for Iowa. Iowa along the way during the tenure of

955
00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:01,520
Speaker 1: kirkfieh Arents, they've been to like the New Year six

956
00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:06,440
Speaker 1: BCS level games. They upset Ohio State, They've beaten Michigan like.

957
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:10,800
Speaker 1: They win games, albeit an ugly fashion, against good teams

958
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:13,200
Speaker 1: playing the brand of football they play. It's sort of

959
00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:15,800
Speaker 1: like it works for them. And so there is like

960
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:21,000
Speaker 1: a Pavlovian acceptance of what Iowa football is by now.

961
00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:25,759
Speaker 1: They never got the taste of that electric offense, and

962
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:30,279
Speaker 1: so I just think they've been beaten down emotionally into

963
00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:32,680
Speaker 1: this point where they say and I don't think they're

964
00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:34,520
Speaker 1: happy with the offense. I don't think the Iowa fan

965
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:38,480
Speaker 1: experience watching the Iowa offense is fun. I'm just saying

966
00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:42,160
Speaker 1: compared to where some other schools are, who would happily

967
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:44,799
Speaker 1: take nine eight and a half to ten wins a year.

968
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:48,439
Speaker 1: Iowa fans are probably in a better place.

969
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:51,719
Speaker 2: That brings me to this answer, which I think is

970
00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:55,920
Speaker 2: fascinating from towns Finsta. I don't know how I'm supposed

971
00:51:55,920 --> 00:51:59,279
Speaker 2: to say that. Please, the answer is quote hot take.

972
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:04,480
Speaker 2: Alabama winning is fun, but it's more fun when you

973
00:52:04,600 --> 00:52:06,879
Speaker 2: remember what it's like to not be great. I think

974
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:08,240
Speaker 2: this is a fascinating answer.

975
00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:12,319
Speaker 1: I have in my life rooted four teams that were

976
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:16,120
Speaker 1: once again dynastic. I root for the La Dodgers, who

977
00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:18,320
Speaker 1: spend a boatload of money and now have won a

978
00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:21,239
Speaker 1: World Series, a bubble world series, but a world Series. Nonetheless,

979
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:24,080
Speaker 1: I've been a Laker fan my entire life. I've watched

980
00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:28,600
Speaker 1: the Lakers win five change like, as you know, a

981
00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:35,080
Speaker 1: reasonably aged person five I think NBA titles. I gotta

982
00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:38,200
Speaker 1: tell you, it's really fun, but it's not nearly as

983
00:52:38,239 --> 00:52:40,600
Speaker 1: fun as the journey. It's not nearly as fun as

984
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:45,000
Speaker 1: the Miley Cyrus clients. And that's not existing for Alabama

985
00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:49,360
Speaker 1: fans right now? Now? Is it better to be an

986
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:54,880
Speaker 1: Alabama fan winning Different guys, different coordinators, different defenses, different everything,

987
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:57,879
Speaker 1: But the winning stays the same, or is it more

988
00:52:58,040 --> 00:53:01,320
Speaker 1: fun if you're an LSU fan to jump up with

989
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:05,520
Speaker 1: an all time offense, be it short burst of one year.

990
00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:08,480
Speaker 1: I say it's more fun to be an LSU fan

991
00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:13,840
Speaker 1: because there is LSU fandom keeps you on your toes,

992
00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:20,280
Speaker 1: whereas Alabama you're squarely, squarely on your feet. No, there's

993
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:23,520
Speaker 1: nothing novel about being an Alabama fan at this point,

994
00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:27,080
Speaker 1: unless there's some sort of crazy new kind of talent

995
00:53:27,160 --> 00:53:30,600
Speaker 1: if they are fielding a three hundred and twenty pound quarterback. Right.

996
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:34,560
Speaker 1: There's nothing new about being an Alabama fan ever, And

997
00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:39,360
Speaker 1: so I'm sure the winning is spectacularly fun and doesn't

998
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:44,960
Speaker 1: get old. But Alabama fans don't get to experience different

999
00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:48,359
Speaker 1: kinds of highs that other fans do, and I don't

1000
00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:50,799
Speaker 1: cry for them, but it's not as fun.

1001
00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:54,880
Speaker 2: I think the proper answer here is a program that

1002
00:53:55,040 --> 00:54:01,480
Speaker 2: is stuck in neutral, perpetually stuck in neutral, perpetually expected

1003
00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:04,200
Speaker 2: to get to nine wins, but only gets to seven. Yeah,

1004
00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:05,680
Speaker 2: who is your answer for this question?

1005
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:09,239
Speaker 1: My answer for this question, in terms of it has

1006
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:16,440
Speaker 1: to be just a pretty awful experience, given the taste factor,

1007
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:21,400
Speaker 1: given the recent player factor, given the high level coach

1008
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:27,480
Speaker 1: factor and inability to stop treading water in lake mediocrity.

1009
00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:33,240
Speaker 1: I have Louisville here, I have Louisville here. So Louisville

1010
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:36,239
Speaker 1: in the past like six or seven years has had

1011
00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:39,640
Speaker 1: ten players drafted, which is not that many. In twenty

1012
00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:43,840
Speaker 1: fifteen they had ten players drafted. So that's sort of

1013
00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:46,279
Speaker 1: like the guys recruited in the middle to the tail

1014
00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:48,400
Speaker 1: end of the Charlie Strong era. By the way, I

1015
00:54:48,440 --> 00:54:51,080
Speaker 1: had totally forgotten that Louisville was in the American for

1016
00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:54,800
Speaker 1: a season between the Big East and the ACC that

1017
00:54:55,040 --> 00:55:00,360
Speaker 1: Louisville had arguably the most electric talent of I don't know,

1018
00:55:00,600 --> 00:55:04,680
Speaker 1: past ten years or so Generation's three, Yeah, Generator Jackson. Yeah,

1019
00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:07,759
Speaker 1: they have all these players drafted on both sides of

1020
00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:10,680
Speaker 1: the ball. You know, offensive linemen say like, it's not

1021
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:15,480
Speaker 1: just a like Bobby Patrino offense thing. So Bobby Patrino,

1022
00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:19,200
Speaker 1: as Florida State is moving downward, didn't Louisville just completely

1023
00:55:19,239 --> 00:55:21,719
Speaker 1: obliterate Florida State like fifty two to ten or something

1024
00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:26,080
Speaker 1: one year. I believe they did. Lamar Jackson coming out

1025
00:55:26,120 --> 00:55:28,840
Speaker 1: of Charlie Strong, who wins a Sugar Bowl against Florida's

1026
00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:32,320
Speaker 1: former team goes twelve to one the following season, Like,

1027
00:55:32,719 --> 00:55:35,239
Speaker 1: this is a team. They're recruiting Florida, they're finding, they're

1028
00:55:35,320 --> 00:55:38,759
Speaker 1: unearthing gems in Florida not terribly far away. They're doing

1029
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:41,719
Speaker 1: a good job on the recruiting trail. They're finding quarterbacks,

1030
00:55:41,719 --> 00:55:47,520
Speaker 1: they're developing offensive scale talent. Bobby Petrino, in slow motion,

1031
00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:52,800
Speaker 1: almost decides to stop recruiting and decides to stop caring.

1032
00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:55,360
Speaker 1: And when the head coach decides to stop caring and

1033
00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:59,920
Speaker 1: treats everybody poorly, you just try to lose all the time.

1034
00:56:00,520 --> 00:56:03,280
Speaker 1: And so they hit rock bottom, not out of nowhere,

1035
00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:05,680
Speaker 1: because people did see it coming, and we're sounding the

1036
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:09,200
Speaker 1: alarm that things were taking a downturn despite the Lamar

1037
00:56:09,320 --> 00:56:12,960
Speaker 1: Jackson era. And then you hire Scott Sadderfield, and it's

1038
00:56:13,160 --> 00:56:15,080
Speaker 1: just what are you going to get week in and

1039
00:56:15,120 --> 00:56:18,640
Speaker 1: week out. You got Malik Slash Michael Cunningham coming in

1040
00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:21,279
Speaker 1: and looking like the next big thing, but then the turnovers,

1041
00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:25,200
Speaker 1: like it's it has to be And this is the

1042
00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:27,920
Speaker 1: treadmill of mediocrity, the treading water in the lake of mediocrity.

1043
00:56:28,200 --> 00:56:32,319
Speaker 1: The Louisville experience of getting a taste for a quarter. Oh,

1044
00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:34,040
Speaker 1: this is what our offense can be. Oh, we have

1045
00:56:34,160 --> 00:56:36,759
Speaker 1: one of the best five running backs in college football. Oh,

1046
00:56:36,840 --> 00:56:39,160
Speaker 1: he decides to stop playing before the season ends. I

1047
00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:42,080
Speaker 1: think that was a COVID year. That's fine, But there's

1048
00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:46,000
Speaker 1: always something with Louisville to bring Cardinals fans back down

1049
00:56:46,040 --> 00:56:50,000
Speaker 1: to earth. Oh we've got this mega donor. Oh, Papa

1050
00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:54,120
Speaker 1: John completely implotes physically and personally. Probably not physically, but

1051
00:56:54,320 --> 00:57:00,400
Speaker 1: maybe there's always something that gives Louisville fans home for

1052
00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:05,800
Speaker 1: a very short window, and then something quickly thereafter to say, no, sorry,

1053
00:57:06,600 --> 00:57:10,440
Speaker 1: your defensive coordinator is being fired for stalking. Like there

1054
00:57:10,520 --> 00:57:16,760
Speaker 1: is always something about Louisville that is just always on

1055
00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:20,280
Speaker 1: the precipice of implosion. And they're recruiting really well right now,

1056
00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:22,560
Speaker 1: and so hopefully that's a thing that turns them around.

1057
00:57:23,200 --> 00:57:28,040
Speaker 1: It just has to be so little fun to attach

1058
00:57:28,080 --> 00:57:29,640
Speaker 1: yourself emotionally to this program.

1059
00:57:29,760 --> 00:57:32,280
Speaker 2: At this point, I was thinking Arizona State for many

1060
00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:33,040
Speaker 2: of the same reasons.

1061
00:57:34,200 --> 00:57:35,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, but they didn't have a taste in the same

1062
00:57:35,840 --> 00:57:36,760
Speaker 1: way that Louisville did.

1063
00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:39,320
Speaker 2: I don't think, well, you can go back to the

1064
00:57:39,400 --> 00:57:43,760
Speaker 2: Frank Cush era if you're not sure, but there were

1065
00:57:44,120 --> 00:57:47,600
Speaker 2: tastes here and there. If you go back twenty five years,

1066
00:57:47,640 --> 00:57:49,640
Speaker 2: there was that Rose Bowl Game, the Jake Plumber Game,

1067
00:57:50,360 --> 00:57:54,040
Speaker 2: which I think was for many in our generation, the

1068
00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:57,640
Speaker 2: introduction to Arizona State football. But it's not like they

1069
00:57:57,800 --> 00:58:03,600
Speaker 2: haven't had bigger name coaches come through Delby. And if

1070
00:58:03,680 --> 00:58:07,600
Speaker 2: you look through the long list of Arizona State football seasons,

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Speaker 2: it's a lot of seven and five or six and

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00:58:10,720 --> 00:58:12,560
Speaker 2: six or five and seven. It's a lot of that

1073
00:58:12,760 --> 00:58:16,240
Speaker 2: neutral state that I think drives me the most crazy.

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Speaker 2: And especially now you want to talk about being on

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00:58:19,000 --> 00:58:21,160
Speaker 2: the verge of implosion, we're kind of most of the

1076
00:58:21,200 --> 00:58:24,200
Speaker 2: way there with the Herm Edwards experience, which is probably

1077
00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:25,760
Speaker 2: going to come to an end I would assume after

1078
00:58:25,840 --> 00:58:29,640
Speaker 2: the season, if not during the season. But it has

1079
00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:32,680
Speaker 2: really been a case time and again of there being

1080
00:58:32,760 --> 00:58:36,120
Speaker 2: these expectations and never really being able to live up

1081
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Speaker 2: to them, which as a fan is horribly maddening.

1082
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Speaker 1: So the only exception I take with ASU is from Afar.

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00:58:46,280 --> 00:58:48,200
Speaker 1: I'm not an ASU fan. I don't have too many

1084
00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:51,800
Speaker 1: in my life. It seems that the ASU fan experience

1085
00:58:52,040 --> 00:58:56,040
Speaker 1: is put out a good team recruit southern California, get

1086
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Speaker 1: the guys that you know whatever, Oregon, USC, UCLA and

1087
00:58:58,840 --> 00:59:03,200
Speaker 1: now it's like a national thing. But they weren't going

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00:59:03,280 --> 00:59:05,800
Speaker 1: to huge bowl games. They weren't winning ten to eleven

1089
00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:08,640
Speaker 1: games every year with whoever Todd Graham or Dirt Cutter.

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00:59:08,680 --> 00:59:11,479
Speaker 1: They have these big quarterbacks, literally big quarterbacks, and Ruby,

1091
00:59:11,560 --> 00:59:13,880
Speaker 1: Rudy Carpenter, Sam Keller and brock Oswold guys like that.

1092
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Speaker 1: But they they were almost locked into their identity of

1093
00:59:19,240 --> 00:59:22,680
Speaker 1: being good, not great, putting the fear into the greats

1094
00:59:23,320 --> 00:59:27,760
Speaker 1: and being entertaining, but losing three, four or five games

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00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:31,240
Speaker 1: a year. And so because they never had you know,

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00:59:31,280 --> 00:59:34,880
Speaker 1: they never they never strung together three years of really

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00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:38,880
Speaker 1: high level football or two years, like I think Arizona

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00:59:38,920 --> 00:59:42,160
Speaker 1: State fans sort of accept what the program is more

1099
00:59:42,240 --> 00:59:44,720
Speaker 1: than like I would have a harder time as a

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Speaker 1: Tennessee fan accepting, you know, the modern era of Tennessee

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00:59:48,600 --> 00:59:51,120
Speaker 1: football or West Virginia football, Like I think West Virginia

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00:59:51,240 --> 00:59:54,400
Speaker 1: is an awful experience right now because they got that taste,

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00:59:54,760 --> 00:59:57,360
Speaker 1: They got the taste of electric offenses and competing in

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00:59:57,440 --> 01:00:00,520
Speaker 1: big bowl games and competing against big teams in a

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Speaker 1: legit way that. I just ASU fans are they know

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Speaker 1: what their program is?

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Speaker 2: This?

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01:00:08,040 --> 01:00:08,480
Speaker 1: I mean nothing.

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Speaker 2: There's a lot of overlap between ASU and Louisville totally,

1110
01:00:13,400 --> 01:00:15,760
Speaker 2: but a lot has had more of a taste. Let's

1111
01:00:15,840 --> 01:00:19,720
Speaker 2: not act like Louisville's been a great program. Louisville has not.

1112
01:00:19,880 --> 01:00:24,440
Speaker 2: They've been better, yeah, but I don't there's a lot

1113
01:00:24,480 --> 01:00:26,680
Speaker 2: of overlap there. There's definitely a lot of overlap there.

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01:00:26,760 --> 01:00:30,040
Speaker 1: I'm just saying the like the Charlie Strong into the

1115
01:00:30,200 --> 01:00:36,200
Speaker 1: early Bobby Patrino Part two era of Louisville football should

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01:00:36,240 --> 01:00:41,000
Speaker 1: have given Cardinal fans more reason to be optimistic than

1117
01:00:41,920 --> 01:00:43,400
Speaker 1: I mean, what was what was the guy's name who's

1118
01:00:43,400 --> 01:00:45,840
Speaker 1: supposed to be the next thing after Lamar Jackson? Big Puma?

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01:00:46,600 --> 01:00:47,760
Speaker 1: Wasn't Puma pass?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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01:00:48,640 --> 01:00:52,200
Speaker 1: Puma pass too on pass Like couldn't keep it going,

1122
01:00:52,640 --> 01:00:56,439
Speaker 1: just couldn't keep it going. Whereas ASU ASU is going

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Speaker 1: fifty two on the freeway and Louisville's going.

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01:01:01,360 --> 01:01:06,720
Speaker 2: Graham and the ShamWow, Mike Berkovic, Taylor Kelly. Yeah, they

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Speaker 2: had guys, but they had eight win quarterbacks. Lamar Jackson

1126
01:01:11,000 --> 01:01:14,640
Speaker 2: is a special taste that basically nobody ever gets. All right,

1127
01:01:14,760 --> 01:01:17,880
Speaker 2: So we've got. We're running short on time, all right,

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Speaker 2: which one you want to go to?

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01:01:18,760 --> 01:01:20,919
Speaker 1: Now? Got a couple more that we want to do? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I want to.

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Speaker 2: I want to do real quick. Three coaches who'd be

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01:01:24,000 --> 01:01:27,240
Speaker 2: the most dangerous with a major talent upgrade. Got some

1133
01:01:27,360 --> 01:01:29,640
Speaker 2: really interesting answers here. Jeremy are our good friend from

1134
01:01:29,680 --> 01:01:32,960
Speaker 2: Mountain Salt Lake says, if you give Kyle Whittingham some

1135
01:01:33,320 --> 01:01:40,120
Speaker 2: elite receivers, Oh boy, the Norwegian Gopher is the first

1136
01:01:40,480 --> 01:01:43,840
Speaker 2: to throw out Lance Leipold, who was a quick with

1137
01:01:44,120 --> 01:01:46,800
Speaker 2: name here listed not only by him, but by Andy,

1138
01:01:46,960 --> 01:01:50,440
Speaker 2: but by Kyle. We had some other folks that throughout

1139
01:01:50,480 --> 01:01:56,720
Speaker 2: lance Ipold, Colin says Brian Kelly, which is an interesting answer.

1140
01:01:56,920 --> 01:02:01,720
Speaker 2: He may have that opportunity now, Colin, probably you Adam

1141
01:02:01,840 --> 01:02:05,600
Speaker 2: mentioned Sam Pittman and he says, Sam Pittman is doing

1142
01:02:05,720 --> 01:02:07,320
Speaker 2: a lot with less. Do we agree with that?

1143
01:02:09,400 --> 01:02:11,720
Speaker 1: Yeah? I think Sam Pitman's a good answer because I

1144
01:02:11,880 --> 01:02:17,200
Speaker 1: think he given his experience, I think both at Arkansas

1145
01:02:17,640 --> 01:02:22,640
Speaker 1: and Georgia, I think his ability with major, major program

1146
01:02:22,840 --> 01:02:27,200
Speaker 1: type talent would feel about right for his experience. Or

1147
01:02:27,240 --> 01:02:31,160
Speaker 1: like you could say, Lance Leipold, but you know you're

1148
01:02:31,320 --> 01:02:36,200
Speaker 1: managing an NFL caliber roster with Lance Leipold, it's a

1149
01:02:36,240 --> 01:02:38,600
Speaker 1: different experience now, if you're just talking purely what he's

1150
01:02:38,600 --> 01:02:40,200
Speaker 1: been able to get out of less, what could he

1151
01:02:40,240 --> 01:02:43,120
Speaker 1: get out of more? Sure, but I think Sam Pittman's

1152
01:02:43,120 --> 01:02:44,240
Speaker 1: actually a better answer for that.

1153
01:02:45,400 --> 01:02:48,040
Speaker 2: Here's another one that I thought was kind of interesting. Yeah,

1154
01:02:50,640 --> 01:02:53,920
Speaker 2: PJ Fleck. Do you like PJ Fleck has an answer here?

1155
01:02:58,080 --> 01:03:00,320
Speaker 1: I guess. I mean he has been he's, you know,

1156
01:03:00,400 --> 01:03:03,080
Speaker 1: the motivator of the raw ra guy, but he recruits

1157
01:03:03,280 --> 01:03:06,400
Speaker 1: pretty well at Minnesota compared to what guys did before

1158
01:03:06,520 --> 01:03:08,000
Speaker 1: him for the Gophers.

1159
01:03:08,640 --> 01:03:11,000
Speaker 2: I have a hard time with that, and I understand

1160
01:03:11,000 --> 01:03:12,800
Speaker 2: the perspective. I have a hard time with that answer

1161
01:03:12,960 --> 01:03:15,800
Speaker 2: for the same reason. Another one here listed by the

1162
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Speaker 2: Norwegian Gopher Pat Fitzgerald. No, there was a moment in

1163
01:03:21,800 --> 01:03:24,520
Speaker 2: time where Pat Fitzgerald was the answer to this question.

1164
01:03:24,800 --> 01:03:25,680
Speaker 1: Now I'm not so sure.

1165
01:03:26,280 --> 01:03:28,880
Speaker 2: I feel like his stock is so far down with

1166
01:03:29,040 --> 01:03:32,560
Speaker 2: what we've seen recently from Northwestern, especially after losing his

1167
01:03:32,600 --> 01:03:35,800
Speaker 2: defensive coordinator last year, and how that defense took such

1168
01:03:35,840 --> 01:03:38,600
Speaker 2: a precipitous step backwards. I really have a hard time

1169
01:03:38,640 --> 01:03:39,840
Speaker 2: putting him in this category now.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I just don't understand. If Pat Fitzgerald had incredible

1171
01:03:45,040 --> 01:03:49,520
Speaker 1: offensive players, he still has not hired good offensive coordinators,

1172
01:03:49,840 --> 01:03:55,400
Speaker 1: He still has leaned into ball control. He still is stubborn,

1173
01:03:55,520 --> 01:03:59,480
Speaker 1: it seems, on offense in terms of what he's having

1174
01:03:59,560 --> 01:04:02,400
Speaker 1: his team let loose and what he's having them do.

1175
01:04:02,600 --> 01:04:05,640
Speaker 1: Just in terms of serving the defense. Now, what does

1176
01:04:05,960 --> 01:04:09,440
Speaker 1: a Northwestern defense look like with incredible talent? Yes, obviously

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01:04:09,520 --> 01:04:12,800
Speaker 1: the sky is the limit if Mike Hankwitz is back there, right,

1178
01:04:13,320 --> 01:04:16,200
Speaker 1: The problem is Pat Fitzgerald and coordinator hiring and what

1179
01:04:16,360 --> 01:04:20,760
Speaker 1: seems to be the philosophy of Pat fitzgerald teams. They'd

1180
01:04:20,800 --> 01:04:23,640
Speaker 1: be better with a major talent upgrade. But yeah, I

1181
01:04:23,720 --> 01:04:25,560
Speaker 1: think Pat Fitzgerald still in the way a bit like

1182
01:04:25,680 --> 01:04:28,040
Speaker 1: I think Jonathan Smith is a great answer hereep YEP,

1183
01:04:28,120 --> 01:04:30,120
Speaker 1: with what he was able to do with Chris Peterson

1184
01:04:30,160 --> 01:04:33,600
Speaker 1: at Washington, what he's been able to do running the ball,

1185
01:04:33,760 --> 01:04:39,440
Speaker 1: especially developing nowhere near NFL caliber quarterbacks into Pac twelve

1186
01:04:39,480 --> 01:04:42,680
Speaker 1: winning quarterbacks like win a bunch of Pack twelve games.

1187
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Speaker 1: I think Mike Gundhy's a good answer here.

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01:04:45,840 --> 01:04:48,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, somebody by the name of TB. Their handle is

1189
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Speaker 2: TB go Pokes who'd have guessed it. Yeah, Mike Gundy

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01:04:52,720 --> 01:04:56,280
Speaker 2: was his answer, along with Sean Lewis, who's from Kent State, right,

1191
01:04:56,360 --> 01:04:59,960
Speaker 2: and your boy Jeff Hathley. You like the Gundy answer.

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01:05:01,040 --> 01:05:06,600
Speaker 1: The Gundy answer is good because they've since I guess

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01:05:07,280 --> 01:05:10,800
Speaker 1: Mason Rudolph Taylor Cornelius. I don't know, it's taken a

1194
01:05:10,880 --> 01:05:14,640
Speaker 1: downturn at quarterback. They developed so many good receivers for

1195
01:05:14,760 --> 01:05:18,200
Speaker 1: so long. They've had offensive line questions, but they seem

1196
01:05:18,240 --> 01:05:21,760
Speaker 1: to have decent offensive scale talent. They've seemed to have

1197
01:05:22,200 --> 01:05:24,640
Speaker 1: like they put it all together last year with the defense.

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01:05:26,080 --> 01:05:28,160
Speaker 1: But if you were to give him a deeper roster,

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Speaker 1: if you were able to attract a deeper, more talented

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01:05:30,880 --> 01:05:35,760
Speaker 1: roster with how well Mike Gundy has hired coordinators and assistance.

1201
01:05:36,240 --> 01:05:40,960
Speaker 1: By and large, there have been exceptions that they seem

1202
01:05:41,160 --> 01:05:45,320
Speaker 1: like they threaten to win double digits without high, high

1203
01:05:45,440 --> 01:05:48,960
Speaker 1: level top fifteen classes. It does become interesting what they

1204
01:05:49,000 --> 01:05:55,880
Speaker 1: could do with Let's move on. Yeah, were there any

1205
01:05:55,880 --> 01:05:56,560
Speaker 1: other answers I have?

1206
01:05:56,720 --> 01:05:56,760
Speaker 2: Like?

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01:05:57,160 --> 01:06:00,600
Speaker 1: See the thing is I think Bud Elliott wrote about this.

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01:06:00,760 --> 01:06:03,400
Speaker 1: The Big twelve outside of Oklahoma and Texas recruits like

1209
01:06:03,480 --> 01:06:07,000
Speaker 1: a G five conference So you could say Chris Cleman,

1210
01:06:07,080 --> 01:06:09,600
Speaker 1: you could say Dave Randa, you could say any of

1211
01:06:09,680 --> 01:06:13,640
Speaker 1: these guys, and the answer is probably yeah, because they

1212
01:06:13,680 --> 01:06:16,040
Speaker 1: can't recruit like decent Power five teams.

1213
01:06:17,000 --> 01:06:21,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, dangerous with a major talent upgrade. Again was the question,

1214
01:06:23,720 --> 01:06:27,680
Speaker 2: You know, it's Pat Fitzgerald to me highlights everything that's

1215
01:06:27,720 --> 01:06:31,560
Speaker 2: both good and bad about this question, because you know,

1216
01:06:31,720 --> 01:06:34,000
Speaker 2: I think conventional wisdom is that this is a good coach.

1217
01:06:34,080 --> 01:06:35,840
Speaker 2: He's been there for a good long time. He's had

1218
01:06:35,840 --> 01:06:37,760
Speaker 2: a lot of success at a place where it's difficult

1219
01:06:37,800 --> 01:06:40,560
Speaker 2: to do. So you give him more talent, clearly he

1220
01:06:40,680 --> 01:06:42,120
Speaker 2: will know what to do with it. I don't know

1221
01:06:42,120 --> 01:06:45,240
Speaker 2: if we can assume as much, right, And that might

1222
01:06:45,320 --> 01:06:48,480
Speaker 2: be the way I approach it with a number of

1223
01:06:48,520 --> 01:06:51,160
Speaker 2: these guys, even Lance Leipold. You can throw him in there.

1224
01:06:51,280 --> 01:06:53,800
Speaker 2: Lance Leipold's been very successful if you give him a

1225
01:06:53,800 --> 01:06:55,840
Speaker 2: lot of talent at the major college level, what happens,

1226
01:06:55,840 --> 01:06:56,160
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1227
01:06:56,880 --> 01:06:57,200
Speaker 1: I don't know.

1228
01:06:57,320 --> 01:06:58,080
Speaker 2: We just haven't seen it.

1229
01:06:58,160 --> 01:06:59,720
Speaker 1: But so, who do you want to conclude with the

1230
01:06:59,760 --> 01:07:02,120
Speaker 1: best coaches in the sport that are not named Nick Saban?

1231
01:07:02,840 --> 01:07:05,479
Speaker 2: I wanted to conclude with best college football food towns.

1232
01:07:05,520 --> 01:07:08,960
Speaker 2: But we can also go non Saban coaches. Let's start there.

1233
01:07:09,080 --> 01:07:11,440
Speaker 1: We'll conclude, okay with the food.

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01:07:11,240 --> 01:07:15,760
Speaker 2: Towns top three coaches not named Nick Saban. As you

1235
01:07:15,840 --> 01:07:19,640
Speaker 2: might expect, we got a variety of big name coaches here,

1236
01:07:20,520 --> 01:07:25,040
Speaker 2: including two folks who throughout mel Tucker, one of whom

1237
01:07:25,240 --> 01:07:28,600
Speaker 2: is Meltucker domination on Twitter. I saw that in another

1238
01:07:28,680 --> 01:07:32,200
Speaker 2: name standing Ram Spartans, Thank you. I got a sa patient.

1239
01:07:32,760 --> 01:07:35,640
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's our show specifically that attracts

1240
01:07:35,720 --> 01:07:42,360
Speaker 1: these types. Probably not. I can appreciate with how low

1241
01:07:42,600 --> 01:07:45,640
Speaker 1: Michigan State got at the end of the Mark D'Antonio era,

1242
01:07:46,120 --> 01:07:49,560
Speaker 1: with the excitement around melt Tucker at Michigan State. But

1243
01:07:50,440 --> 01:07:55,520
Speaker 1: is there another fan base that loves their coach as much,

1244
01:07:55,680 --> 01:07:57,480
Speaker 1: Not that has a better coach or a worst coach,

1245
01:07:57,880 --> 01:08:03,200
Speaker 1: but like the mel Tucker adoration in East Lansing and beyond.

1246
01:08:03,080 --> 01:08:06,600
Speaker 2: It's one hundred percent Clemson, one hundred percent Clemson in down.

1247
01:08:06,720 --> 01:08:10,640
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, obviously there is that that that factor with Dabbo.

1248
01:08:12,280 --> 01:08:15,440
Speaker 1: But Dabble has been around since whatever two thousand and eight,

1249
01:08:15,760 --> 01:08:18,360
Speaker 1: like they've had time to grow to love and appreciate

1250
01:08:18,439 --> 01:08:23,599
Speaker 1: and worship him, right, misguided. Perhaps you're talking tinder swipe right,

1251
01:08:23,920 --> 01:08:27,600
Speaker 1: I'm all in, I'm talking there is a level of

1252
01:08:27,720 --> 01:08:32,680
Speaker 1: heart palpitation among the Michigan State faithful. And I love it.

1253
01:08:33,560 --> 01:08:36,280
Speaker 1: I love it, but I'm a little bit worried about

1254
01:08:36,720 --> 01:08:42,559
Speaker 1: love turning into lust, that it's getting uh, it's getting

1255
01:08:42,600 --> 01:08:46,320
Speaker 1: out of hand. Tallage football coach. I love the commitment,

1256
01:08:47,360 --> 01:08:49,880
Speaker 1: I love the the like, oh my god, we have

1257
01:08:49,920 --> 01:08:52,080
Speaker 1: an offense for the first time in quite some time.

1258
01:08:53,680 --> 01:08:57,120
Speaker 1: But I'm i am not surprised but taken aback that

1259
01:08:57,200 --> 01:08:59,720
Speaker 1: it was the Michigan State fan base that fell in

1260
01:08:59,800 --> 01:09:05,240
Speaker 1: love of so quickly, the like Pete Davidson ariana Grande

1261
01:09:05,439 --> 01:09:10,360
Speaker 1: experience is alive and well big mel energy. Yeah, so

1262
01:09:11,120 --> 01:09:12,840
Speaker 1: some of the others that were thrown out here, and

1263
01:09:13,200 --> 01:09:14,800
Speaker 1: you know what, sorry can back.

1264
01:09:14,920 --> 01:09:17,639
Speaker 2: No, no, it's good. Steven, who by the way, gave

1265
01:09:17,680 --> 01:09:21,439
Speaker 2: my uncle card trick advice way back right, says Jimbo

1266
01:09:21,560 --> 01:09:26,920
Speaker 2: Dabbo and Kirby Kirby Smart Matt says Ryan Day, Pat

1267
01:09:27,080 --> 01:09:29,880
Speaker 2: and Ardozy Okay, we can talk about Pat Ardoozy and

1268
01:09:30,080 --> 01:09:33,120
Speaker 2: Lincoln Riley another one that I would expect to see here.

1269
01:09:33,680 --> 01:09:36,840
Speaker 2: Chet down Screens says Kirby, smart, dave A, Randa, Dabo

1270
01:09:36,960 --> 01:09:42,720
Speaker 2: Sweeney deconstructing engineer, says Randa Lane Kiffin, I don't know

1271
01:09:42,800 --> 01:09:45,439
Speaker 2: about that one, but okay, Kyle Whittingham a great answer,

1272
01:09:46,640 --> 01:09:49,639
Speaker 2: and then Adam says it's Dabo Kirby and then fifty

1273
01:09:49,720 --> 01:09:53,240
Speaker 2: feet of crap. So yeah, thank you to everyone. There

1274
01:09:53,280 --> 01:09:56,759
Speaker 2: are many other answers, but who's your answer here? Who's

1275
01:09:56,760 --> 01:09:58,679
Speaker 2: the best? We're the top three, non Saban.

1276
01:10:00,280 --> 01:10:03,040
Speaker 1: So the case for Dabbo, the case for Kirby, the

1277
01:10:03,160 --> 01:10:06,240
Speaker 1: case for a lot of guys is obvious because you're

1278
01:10:06,280 --> 01:10:10,800
Speaker 1: either saying they have a lot of talent and maximized

1279
01:10:10,840 --> 01:10:13,320
Speaker 1: it by going to the playoff or winning national championships,

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Speaker 1: or they don't have a lot of talent, but they

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Speaker 1: are able to get the most out of that talent

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Speaker 1: and perhaps outperform, you know, a lack of NFL draft

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Speaker 1: picks or whatever however you're going to measure, whether it's

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Speaker 1: recruiting rankings, whether it's draft picks, whatever.

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Speaker 2: I have.

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Speaker 1: If you're taking all of those into consideration, I am

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Speaker 1: a little bit down just the context of Ryan Day

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Speaker 1: as being top level because he's had playoff caliber and

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Speaker 1: national championship caliber talent his entirety there and hasn't consistently

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Speaker 1: been winning in the playoff.

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Speaker 2: We got a question two weeks ago about Yeah, on

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Speaker 2: one of our bruine's, which you can tune into via

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Speaker 2: Patreon every Friday. Yeah, we got a question asking whether

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Speaker 2: or not Ryan Day is a secret bust and it

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Speaker 2: was a good question. I don't know if I believe it,

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Speaker 2: but the phrasing of the question was actually quite interesting

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Speaker 2: and you could make that case if you really wanted

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Speaker 2: to about Ryan Days. So I agree, I don't think

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Speaker 2: he's a good answer here.

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Speaker 1: Kyle Whittingham's a really good answer. I know we got

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Speaker 1: pushed a little bit of pushback in Kyle Whittingham, but

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Speaker 1: I don't know. They took a team from a G

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Speaker 1: five level. He took a team from a Chief five

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Speaker 1: level conference. He's been there for a long time. He

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Speaker 1: has evolved, he has raised the talent level, he has

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Speaker 1: won the conference. He took Ohio State to the brink

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Speaker 1: in the Rose Bowl. Like I think, Kyle Whittingham is

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Speaker 1: a terrific answer here because he is a less dramatic

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Speaker 1: version of Kirk Farns. So I also think is actually

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Speaker 1: a pretty strong answer for this question. You win games

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Speaker 1: with that offense, you're a good coach. You're a bad

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Speaker 1: coach because you're stiff and you're unable to adapt. But

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Speaker 1: if it's wins and losses, if it's a make miss league,

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Speaker 1: like they say in the NBA, Kirk ference and Iowa

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Speaker 1: are making a bunch. Kyle Whittingham had fielded better offenses,

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Speaker 1: has fielded better quarterbacks, has hired better coordinators. But man,

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Speaker 1: they are just they played to an identity, They recruit well,

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Speaker 1: they develop guys. For the NFL, he has to be

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Speaker 1: considered among the top handful of coaches in the sport.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's why he was one of the names that

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Speaker 2: I think came up for the USC job. Sure, right,

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Speaker 2: Kyle Whittingham has been doing it at a pretty high

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Speaker 2: level for a long time, a less dramatic version of

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Speaker 2: some others. I think he's a great answer here. I

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Speaker 2: think Dave Anna is an interesting answer. I'd like to

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Speaker 2: see more from David Randa.

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Speaker 1: David resume.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, David Randa's resume is a head coach is still

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Speaker 2: pretty short. But I think given his he doesn't have

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Speaker 2: that stubbornness quality to his coaching style. Right, He We've

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Speaker 2: talked a nauseum about how he's quick to adapt and

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Speaker 2: not afraid to adapt and admit when he was wrong,

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Speaker 2: and it paid huge dividends last year as Baylor won

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Speaker 2: the Big twelve. Dave Randa could be a very good

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Speaker 2: answer here, but it's probably a little too early nor

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Speaker 2: Doozy from that. Okay, I don't know if I follow here, Dan,

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Speaker 2: do you so?

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Speaker 1: Pat Nardoozy has kept Pitt winning, sometimes on an interestingly

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Speaker 1: good level, sometimes on a forgettably good level. Has fielded

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Speaker 1: some good offenses, some good defenses, has been steady, but

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Speaker 1: one of the best coaches in the country. I think

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Speaker 1: there has to be more of a clear strength and

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Speaker 1: identity and consistency to a program than what Pitt has

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Speaker 1: been right. That's my only that's my issue there. I

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Speaker 1: don't think James Franklin's in this conversation right now. I like,

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Speaker 1: there are guys on this list, there are guys on

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Speaker 1: people's lists, or they are guys just on the list

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Speaker 1: of you know, Power five or FBS head coaches where

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Speaker 1: they had a crazy amount of success that of course

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Speaker 1: they should be considered among the best coaches in the sport.

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Speaker 1: In a vacuum, but perhaps the place they're currently at

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Speaker 1: they're not shining like and maybe it's an example of

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Speaker 1: having better talent, like if Chip Kelly were coaching at

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Speaker 1: a place with better talent, and I know the talent

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Speaker 1: is on him at UCLA and why they don't have

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Speaker 1: a better roster ultimately, But like would it with generic

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Speaker 1: team A and versus generic team B, you could do

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Speaker 1: a lot worse than having Chip Kelly coach that roster.

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Speaker 1: Like at his best, Chip Kelly is one of the

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Speaker 1: best coaches in the sport. Mac Brown at his best

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Speaker 1: has don a great job of finding talent and winning games.

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Speaker 1: Now there are stretches for both of those guys where

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Speaker 1: like maybe they lost it, maybe it's not there anymore,

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Speaker 1: But they also should be considered among you know, the

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Speaker 1: the guys with the best aptitude for the job.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I you know, A. It's way too early of

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Speaker 2: course to give this answer, but I think no, no,

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Speaker 2: Marcus Freeman, any of the new guys at big places, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: could could be interesting answers five years from now. I'm

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Speaker 2: particularly keen on Billy Napier.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I really like that higher Sure.

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Speaker 2: The one thing we saw time and again about Louisiana

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Speaker 2: as they played hard, and that was at a place

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Speaker 2: where he did not have the level of talent that

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Speaker 2: he is now inherited and will hopefully recruit to come

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Speaker 2: to Gainesville. He's a smart coach and his teams are

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Speaker 2: in games. I think those are the guys that I'm

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Speaker 2: that I'm always fascinated to see how they scale up

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Speaker 2: when they go to a bigger place. He could be

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Speaker 2: a name that I think is interesting here, but we

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Speaker 2: need to see more data. There aren't a whole lot

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Speaker 2: of names that you could really throw out here.

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Speaker 1: It's a name I would have had on here before

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Speaker 1: the past two years, would have been Paul Christ. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: where there's a dependability of good to greatness, a clear strength,

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Speaker 1: a clear identity on offense, strength being defense. That like,

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Speaker 1: how is how do you not consider Paul Christ in

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Speaker 1: the run he's had for the decade ish that he's

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Speaker 1: been at Wisconsin among the sport's best. But the downturn

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Speaker 1: on offense these past couple of years has me questioning

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Speaker 1: his place in that that top group. So I think

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Speaker 1: there are a lot of cases to be made. But

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Speaker 1: like Brian Kelly, is among the best coaches in the

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Speaker 1: sport one hundred percent absolutely is all right. Well, I

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Speaker 1: don't know, I don't know if there's anybody like but

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Speaker 1: I don't include Jimbo in that right now. Too much mediocrity,

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Speaker 1: too soon interesting, all.

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