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Speaker 1: through this issue, and I think he'll get back to

430
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Speaker 1: form his touch is too good. Like, this isn't a

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Speaker 1: guy that has bad touch who's gonna be a consistently

432
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Speaker 1: bad shooter. This is a guy who's consistently a great touch,

433
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Speaker 1: and he's just kind of in a weird kind of

434
00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:42,360
Speaker 1: thing with his form where he's tweaking it a little

435
00:20:42,359 --> 00:20:43,840
Speaker 1: too much and it's just a little he's just in

436
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Speaker 1: a little bit of a funk. But like, especially after

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Speaker 1: it reached a crescendo of embarrassing shooting in the Olympics,

438
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Speaker 1: I think, if I remember correctly, he went oh for

439
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Speaker 1: sixteen on jump shots in the Olympic qualifiers or excuse me,

440
00:20:56,640 --> 00:20:59,320
Speaker 1: the Olympic exhibitions, as well as the actual Olympic tournament.

441
00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:02,920
Speaker 1: So like it hit its z like the absolute peak

442
00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:06,200
Speaker 1: of tatum slump in that Olympic run. I think he's

443
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Speaker 1: gonna take a lot of time this summer to iron

444
00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:09,920
Speaker 1: that out, and my guess is he comes into next

445
00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:12,480
Speaker 1: year and shoots the ball pretty well, pretty quickly. I

446
00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:14,840
Speaker 1: wouldn't be surprised if there was a little lingering slump

447
00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:17,240
Speaker 1: in the first like week of the season, but I

448
00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:20,800
Speaker 1: would imagine by November that that Tatum will be back

449
00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:23,440
Speaker 1: cooking on all gears in terms of his jump shot.

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Speaker 1: In summary, tatum ceiling isn't nearly as high as his

451
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Speaker 1: peers at the top of the league. As I mentioned earlier,

452
00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:33,040
Speaker 1: he doesn't really have like a an A plus trade

453
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Speaker 1: like every other guy is an A plus trade like

454
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Speaker 1: Yokich is an A plus playmaker, a plus post scorre

455
00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:43,120
Speaker 1: Luka Doncic a plus perimeter initiator right like Jannison, Tenna

456
00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:46,639
Speaker 1: Koopo a plus athlete with a plus rim pressure, a

457
00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:51,560
Speaker 1: plus defensive impacts, Shaye gillss Alexander like AA plus perimeter

458
00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:55,119
Speaker 1: initiation right, Anthony Davis a plus defensive player. You know,

459
00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:58,440
Speaker 1: all these guys have like A plus traits. Tatum didn't

460
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Speaker 1: really have one of those. Like he he doesn't have

461
00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:03,520
Speaker 1: an elite first step, and so he can't consistently get

462
00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:05,760
Speaker 1: to the rim or finish there at a super high rate.

463
00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:08,000
Speaker 1: He's a good passer, but he's not a great passer.

464
00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:10,240
Speaker 1: He's a good shooter, but he's not a great shooter.

465
00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:13,879
Speaker 1: And he specifically struggles anything that's not like off the catch,

466
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Speaker 1: So like it's just one of those things where like

467
00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:19,640
Speaker 1: that that's gonna limit his ceiling in a lot of ways. Right,

468
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Speaker 1: but his floor is probably the highest out of any

469
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Speaker 1: player on this top eleven except for Jokis. Jokic is

470
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Speaker 1: the one guy I think who especially because he's kind

471
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Speaker 1: of a groundbound player to begin with that even when

472
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Speaker 1: he gives somewhat inconsistent effort, his overall impact is just

473
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Speaker 1: so high. But like other than Jokic, I think Tatum

474
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Speaker 1: has the highest floor on this list. He consistently plays hard,

475
00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:44,159
Speaker 1: especially on defense, and he's versatile enough to fill a

476
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Speaker 1: variety of roles on both ends of the floor. Gives

477
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Speaker 1: you a ton of flexibility when you're building a roster

478
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Speaker 1: around him. He's a safe bet for at least twenty

479
00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:55,040
Speaker 1: seven points per game on at least sixty percent true

480
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Speaker 1: shooting because he takes a lot of threes and he

481
00:22:56,880 --> 00:22:59,440
Speaker 1: gets to the foul line a lot, and like he

482
00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:01,720
Speaker 1: takes in it takes and misses a bunch of bad

483
00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:04,000
Speaker 1: shots and it just doesn't matter because he takes so

484
00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:07,520
Speaker 1: many threes and because he has the ability to get

485
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Speaker 1: to the fout line the way he does. And then,

486
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Speaker 1: as I mentioned earlier, he's very willing to embrace different

487
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Speaker 1: types of roles. Offensively being a volume score being an

488
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Speaker 1: advantage creator, being more of like a spot up guy

489
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Speaker 1: if he needs to write. So, like, here's the thing,

490
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Speaker 1: when we get to May slash June and everyone is healthy,

491
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Speaker 1: like Tatum's probably last out of these eleven guys, if

492
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Speaker 1: not second to last, Like he's in that nine ten

493
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Speaker 1: eleven area in terms of like everyone's healthy, the shit's

494
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Speaker 1: on the line tomorrow. But other than Jokic, he's the

495
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Speaker 1: guy who's most likely to get me to manj you,

496
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Speaker 1: And that's an important part of this journey, especially when

497
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Speaker 1: there are as many talentedly teams in the league. You

498
00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:46,120
Speaker 1: can book him for seventy plus games. You can book

499
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Speaker 1: him for twenty seven eight and five on sixty percent

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Speaker 1: through shooting with elite versatile defense. Nobody else in this

501
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Speaker 1: tier is as safe a bet in terms of pure

502
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Speaker 1: availability and production. Even Yamis has become health question mark.

503
00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:04,520
Speaker 1: Even the young guards like Shay or Ant, they can't

504
00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:07,680
Speaker 1: impact the game defensively the way that Tatum does. That

505
00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:12,560
Speaker 1: makes Tatum an excellent foundational piece despite his shortcomings. That's

506
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Speaker 1: why I have him at number seven, Number six. Anthony

507
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Speaker 1: Davis last year seventy six games played, twenty four point

508
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Speaker 1: seven points per game, twelve point six rebounds per game

509
00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:39,320
Speaker 1: that was third in the NBA behind Demana Sabonis and

510
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Speaker 1: Rudy Gobert. Also had a career high since joining the

511
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Speaker 1: Lakers three point five assists, a lot more opportunities for

512
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Speaker 1: him to make plays as the Lakers shifted towards a

513
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Speaker 1: five out offense. He did have one higher assist year

514
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Speaker 1: in New Orleans, I think it was the year right

515
00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:54,719
Speaker 1: before he left, but with the Lakers, especially with as

516
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Speaker 1: much ball handling as the Lakers have, for him to

517
00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:59,119
Speaker 1: get three and a half assists is actually really impressive.

518
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:02,960
Speaker 1: Two point one turnovers per game, and again, big part

519
00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:04,520
Speaker 1: of it was the five out offense and him just

520
00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:07,080
Speaker 1: having more opportunity to make plays there. Second piece of

521
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Speaker 1: it is this was by far Anthony Davis's best post

522
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Speaker 1: up season of his career, both as a score and

523
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Speaker 1: as a passer. Also got three point five stocks per game,

524
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Speaker 1: including finishing fourth in the league in blocks per game.

525
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Speaker 1: His shooting splits fifty six percent from the field, twenty

526
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Speaker 1: seven percent from three. Obviously, just has never been able

527
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Speaker 1: to get that jump shot back to where it was

528
00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:29,119
Speaker 1: in the bubble. Eighty two percent at the line mounts

529
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Speaker 1: to fifty seven percent in effective field goal percentage and

530
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Speaker 1: sixty two percent in true shooting percentage, similar to to Tatum,

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Speaker 1: the first time in AD's career. First time in AD's

532
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Speaker 1: career that he's had back to back seasons of at

533
00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:45,320
Speaker 1: least sixty percent true shooting shooting stats per Synergy. As

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Speaker 1: I mentioned, jump shot not great, zero point eight two

535
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Speaker 1: points per jump shot, zero point eight to seven off

536
00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:52,359
Speaker 1: the catch, zero point seven to seven off the dribble.

537
00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:55,440
Speaker 1: Now he's aware of it. Really low volume. He only

538
00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:58,920
Speaker 1: takes three and a half jump shots total every game.

539
00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:01,480
Speaker 1: Has really leaned in this phase of his career into

540
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Speaker 1: more short range scoring, which is something that I actually

541
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:05,600
Speaker 1: am a big believer in. This is something I've been

542
00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:08,280
Speaker 1: begging Joel Embiid to do more of, and he's been

543
00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:11,719
Speaker 1: excellent there. Fifty eight percent on hooks, fifty one percent

544
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:16,320
Speaker 1: on floaters, and seventy percent at the rim. Now how

545
00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:20,200
Speaker 1: has Ad turned himself into such a useful short range score.

546
00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:22,840
Speaker 1: It's a combination of two things. First, attacking out of

547
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:25,760
Speaker 1: the post in ISO right like and just think like

548
00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:28,160
Speaker 1: what he did to Nikolea Jokicic in the first round,

549
00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:31,960
Speaker 1: just against slower footed guys, just quick baseline moves to

550
00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:33,840
Speaker 1: get to the other side of the rim for reverse layups.

551
00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:36,800
Speaker 1: Really aggressive driving moves gets big guys out of position

552
00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:38,400
Speaker 1: and gets to the foul line a lot that way,

553
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:40,880
Speaker 1: and then also just turning his back to the basket,

554
00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:43,280
Speaker 1: he's got a nice little right shoulder fade and then

555
00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:45,520
Speaker 1: he's got a nice little left shoulder hook that he's

556
00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:48,240
Speaker 1: hitting at a very high percentage. Again, almost sixty percent.

557
00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:51,800
Speaker 1: Now that's not quite like Nikola Jokic efficiency, but it's

558
00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:57,040
Speaker 1: still really really good. Excuse me a shot. I think

559
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Speaker 1: it was fifty eight percent on floaters and fifty one

560
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:01,440
Speaker 1: percent on hooks, but anyway, he was over fifty percent

561
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Speaker 1: on both. But anyway, the other piece of it is

562
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Speaker 1: scoring out of ball screens. Right, So, like I talk

563
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:09,680
Speaker 1: a lot about how with Joel Embiid, I talked a

564
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:12,399
Speaker 1: lot about how like scoring is. There's lots of different

565
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:14,840
Speaker 1: ways to score, right, Like, they're scoring as an initiator

566
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:16,560
Speaker 1: and then they're scoring in the flow of the offense.

567
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:19,000
Speaker 1: This is what we've always credited Kevin Durant for is

568
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:21,080
Speaker 1: he can do both so well that you can like

569
00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:24,159
Speaker 1: plug KD into any system anywhere in the league. And

570
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:25,399
Speaker 1: he's just going to find a way to get his

571
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:28,960
Speaker 1: thirty efficiently without really bothering the flow, because he can

572
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:31,960
Speaker 1: score in the flow of the offense, meaning as multiple

573
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:34,760
Speaker 1: players are touching the ball and there's lots of player

574
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:38,920
Speaker 1: and ball movement, he can still score within that flow. Right.

575
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:42,480
Speaker 1: This is something where Ad does the majority of his scoring,

576
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:46,160
Speaker 1: and it's often looked at as a weakness for whatever reason.

577
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:47,960
Speaker 1: And we're going to do some talking later because like

578
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:52,199
Speaker 1: I think AD's scoring volume is completely flying under the

579
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:55,240
Speaker 1: radar for whatever reason when he's actually been like an

580
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 1: incredibly dominant playoff score and like the reputation AD has

581
00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:02,400
Speaker 1: offensively doesn't even make sense compared to what the production

582
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:06,840
Speaker 1: actually is. But eighties scoring primarily operates in the short

583
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:09,920
Speaker 1: range and primarily in the flow of the offense. Like again,

584
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:12,520
Speaker 1: shooting fifty eight percent on floaters. That's one of those

585
00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:14,480
Speaker 1: things where when you're running five out offense and he's

586
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:16,520
Speaker 1: going to one side of the floor throwing a dribble handoff,

587
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:18,880
Speaker 1: thrown a pick rolling into the lane looking for the ball,

588
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:21,520
Speaker 1: didn't get it, Okay, run over set the next pick

589
00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:23,600
Speaker 1: rolling into the lane, did he get the ball. He's

590
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:26,320
Speaker 1: the finisher in those plays right, and he can do

591
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:28,120
Speaker 1: it both ways, Like he can catch in the short roll,

592
00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:30,159
Speaker 1: make that little floater over the top that he's been

593
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:32,440
Speaker 1: hitting at a really high percentage has a chance to

594
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:34,840
Speaker 1: roll all the way to the rim, Boom vertical spacing.

595
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:36,720
Speaker 1: He's one of the guys you can throw a massive

596
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:39,400
Speaker 1: target to above the rim and he can go and finish.

597
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:43,000
Speaker 1: That's super valuable scoring because it doesn't require you to

598
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:45,080
Speaker 1: run plays that are designed to give him the ball.

599
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 1: It doesn't require you to force feed him, it doesn't

600
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:50,080
Speaker 1: require you to build his rhythm. Like he just can

601
00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:54,720
Speaker 1: play alongside Austin Reeves, dil Lebron, all these other ball handlers.

602
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:57,440
Speaker 1: He's just a cog in that system. And he's just

603
00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:00,640
Speaker 1: spitting out twenty five point nights, thirty point nights all

604
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:03,720
Speaker 1: the time. And that that's super valuable when you're trying

605
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:06,640
Speaker 1: to build a roster around a guy. Again, Like imagine

606
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:10,480
Speaker 1: I'm building a team and like I'm getting twenty five

607
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:14,040
Speaker 1: points a night, and I do not have to worry

608
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:16,760
Speaker 1: about whether or not Ad fits with my next pick.

609
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:19,520
Speaker 1: My next pick. It's like, is it a pick and

610
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:23,280
Speaker 1: roll guard, is it another wing? Whatever I want to do.

611
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:26,560
Speaker 1: AD is gonna fit seamlessly with that guy, which is

612
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:31,800
Speaker 1: a super useful piece of team building. Play type data

613
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:34,200
Speaker 1: one point one seven points per possession on the role,

614
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 1: he shot fifty seven percent rolling to the basket. Anthony Davis,

615
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 1: to continue on that point, we were just talking about

616
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:43,480
Speaker 1: made one hundred and sixty two field goals on the

617
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Speaker 1: role last year. That was the second most in the

618
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Speaker 1: entire NBA. Anybody want to guess who was number one?

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Speaker 1: This is actually an insane stat and this player had

620
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:55,200
Speaker 1: ninety additional made field goals. I'll give you guys a

621
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Speaker 1: couple seconds, but it's not who you're thinking it is.

622
00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:02,719
Speaker 1: Nikola Vucevich from the Chicago Bulls had two hundred and

623
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Speaker 1: fifty something made field goals in the role, but still

624
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:08,640
Speaker 1: Anthony Davis second most in the entire league, more than

625
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 1: twice as many as Embid. Embid had like seventy something

626
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:14,960
Speaker 1: and ad had one hundred and sixty two. And again,

627
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:16,719
Speaker 1: that's the point I was trying to make when we

628
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Speaker 1: were talking about Embiid at number eleven. It's the point

629
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Speaker 1: I'm trying to make today. Scoring within the flow of

630
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Speaker 1: the offense has a ton of value. Scoring in a

631
00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:27,160
Speaker 1: heliocentric manner also has a ton of value, but they

632
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:29,120
Speaker 1: both have a lot of value, and the ability to

633
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:33,960
Speaker 1: score with others gives flexibility to your team building process.

634
00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 1: One hundred and seven offensive rebound putbacks that was the

635
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:40,560
Speaker 1: second most in the entire NBA. Rudy Gobert was number

636
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Speaker 1: one with one hundred and ten. So again, just garbage

637
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:45,440
Speaker 1: time buckets, he's just given you. He's given you more

638
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:47,760
Speaker 1: than one additional bucket a night, just on a missed

639
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 1: shot that someone else misses. He's just grabbing and putting

640
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:53,320
Speaker 1: it back into the basket. But he also had a

641
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:56,640
Speaker 1: very good individual shot creation season. It was the best

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Speaker 1: of Anthony Davis's career, and this is a big part

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Speaker 1: of why I put him higher on this list. He's

644
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Speaker 1: doing both despite the fact that you don't really need

645
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Speaker 1: him to within what most teams would use ad as right,

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Speaker 1: he got one point zero four points per ISO that's

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Speaker 1: one hundred and twenty four reps for one hundred and

648
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Speaker 1: twenty nine points that was seventieth percentile, and then one

649
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 1: point zero nine points per post up four hundred and

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Speaker 1: forty three reps for four hundred and eighty three points

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Speaker 1: That ranked six out of the eighteen players to run

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Speaker 1: at least two hundred and fifty, so he was one

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Speaker 1: of the upper third high volume post up players in

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Speaker 1: the entire league, as well as being a seventieth percentile

655
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:37,600
Speaker 1: ISO score as well. He brings a really nice mix

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Speaker 1: of on ball creation in the flow, finishing garbage buckets

657
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:43,960
Speaker 1: like drop offs, and offensive rebound put backs. So here's

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Speaker 1: the thing I disagree with the idea or the assertion

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Speaker 1: that Ad is a limited offensive player. Can he be

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Speaker 1: the offensive engine the way some of his peers can know,

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Speaker 1: but those guys also can't be a defensive foundation the

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Speaker 1: way that he Ad can. Right, Like, the offensive engine

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Speaker 1: types are your Jokic, you'r Luka, your che Jiosus Alexander,

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Speaker 1: You're like even Lebron James a little bit at this

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Speaker 1: point in his career, Tyrese Haliburton. There are a bunch

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Speaker 1: of these guys that are like they're just every single

667
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 1: possession they're going up the floor, getting your defensive rotation

668
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 1: and going None of those guys are in the same

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Speaker 1: stratosphere as a defensive foundation as Anthony Davis. Even Joel Embii,

670
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Speaker 1: who I would consider to be an offensive engine, is

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Speaker 1: not in the same stratosphere as Anthony Davis as a

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Speaker 1: defensive player, and so like again, like you gotta play

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Speaker 1: both sides of that coin. And despite that, eighty is

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Speaker 1: nineteenth in the league in scoring. He was one of

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Speaker 1: only three players in the entire NBA last year to

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Speaker 1: average at least twenty four points on at least fifty

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Speaker 1: five percent shooting from the field. It was him, Giannis

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Speaker 1: and Jokic. And again, as I mentioned earlier, I specifically

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Speaker 1: loved the idea of a guy who can give me

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00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:53,880
Speaker 1: twenty five points a game while also primarily running the

681
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Speaker 1: offense through a different player. That's a real asset with

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Speaker 1: team building. And then eighty consistently takes his scoring to

683
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:03,200
Speaker 1: another level in the postseason, but he did so in

684
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Speaker 1: a big way against Denver. Twenty eight points per game,

685
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Speaker 1: sixty three percent true shooting. He ran thirty four post

686
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Speaker 1: ups in ISOs for forty points one point one eight

687
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Speaker 1: points per possession. That is outstanding, And you guys remember

688
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 1: every one of those. That was when he was just

689
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:21,560
Speaker 1: consistently one on one, just frying Nikola Jokic on an

690
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 1: island to the point where Mike Malone had to literally

691
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Speaker 1: switch him off and all of that while being one

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Speaker 1: of the very being the very best defensive player in

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Speaker 1: the world in my opinion, and one of the top

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Speaker 1: three rebounders in the world. And eighty specifically has a

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Speaker 1: level of defensive versatility that most of his peers don't have.

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Speaker 1: There are a lot of rim protectors that can't defend

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Speaker 1: in multiple coverages. Eighty is an outstanding drop coverage big

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Speaker 1: way back at the rim, high drop coverage big coming

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00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:53,880
Speaker 1: up to the level blitzing. He's got the length to

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Speaker 1: be bothersome there and he can switch onto any type

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Speaker 1: of player. He's got great foot speed to contain, and

702
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 1: he is great length to contest. Now, the one defensive

703
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:07,760
Speaker 1: weakness that Anthony Davis has is he can struggle with

704
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:11,920
Speaker 1: groundbound power bigs. Right, These are guys like Sabonis or Yokic,

705
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:14,200
Speaker 1: guys that are like lower to the ground and you

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Speaker 1: strength to dislodge AD from his base to create separation

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00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 1: to finish. But here's the thing. The guys in the

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Speaker 1: league that are big and strong enough to handle those

709
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:28,920
Speaker 1: types of offensive players aren't capable of doing anything else

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Speaker 1: that AD can do defensively, Like he wouldn't be able

711
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Speaker 1: to switch or to move up to the level and

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00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 1: back quickly, or do any of those things he does

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Speaker 1: defensively if he had a different body type where he

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Speaker 1: was big and strong enough to with stan Joel the

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Speaker 1: the big power guys like Embiid or Jokic or Sabonis,

716
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:49,560
Speaker 1: right and like, and here's the thing, Like Embiid is

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Speaker 1: the guy I keep talking about, is like the guy

718
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:54,920
Speaker 1: who can guard Jokic, And I watched Jokic go through

719
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:58,840
Speaker 1: him easily in the Olympics. So like, I think, I

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Speaker 1: think that that's a being a little nitpicky, and it's

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Speaker 1: a big part of why I think Ad is still

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00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:06,239
Speaker 1: the best player defensively in the world. Ad is so

723
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:08,719
Speaker 1: dominant on defense that in the twenty twenty three series

724
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:11,840
Speaker 1: against Golden State, every single adjustment made by either team

725
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:14,560
Speaker 1: had to do with Ad. Golden State was trying their

726
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 1: best to keep him away from the rim and out

727
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 1: of the action that they were running with Steph in ballscreens,

728
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:21,759
Speaker 1: and the Lakers were doing everything they good to keep

729
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:24,279
Speaker 1: him in the action. It was crazy how much he

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Speaker 1: was the folkrum of every adjustment in that particular series.

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Speaker 1: So most of you guys disagree that I have Ad

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Speaker 1: this high. So I want to just kind of break

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Speaker 1: down why in a quick synopsis, why I have Ad

734
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 1: so high. One, He's a top five defensive foundation for

735
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:42,960
Speaker 1: the regular season. Doesn't give consistent effort the way guys

736
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:44,960
Speaker 1: like go Bear do. But then again, guys like Gobert

737
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:48,799
Speaker 1: don't have near the offensive responsibility. And even with that

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Speaker 1: somewhat inconsistent defensive effort, AD is still a top five

739
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 1: regular season defensive foundation. He was first team All Defense

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Speaker 1: this year and he was fourth in Defensive Player of

741
00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:02,000
Speaker 1: the Year voting. That's pretty straightforward evidence of that he's

742
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:03,880
Speaker 1: the best defender in the world when he needs to

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00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:06,560
Speaker 1: be in big moments in regular season games, are big

744
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:09,799
Speaker 1: stretches in regular season games, and then also in the playoffs.

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Speaker 1: He is the best defensive weapon that we have in

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Speaker 1: the league. I think wemb will overtake him in the

747
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:15,239
Speaker 1: next year or two, but I think AD still has

748
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:18,040
Speaker 1: that spot as of right now. Three. Ad has been

749
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 1: very available as of late. He has a reputation among

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00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:22,839
Speaker 1: some people aren't paying attention as being a guy who's

751
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 1: always hurt. He's been available in one hundred and twenty

752
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:27,759
Speaker 1: eight of the lakers last one hundred and thirty seven

753
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:32,359
Speaker 1: basketball games, including twenty one consecutive playoff games. So, yeah,

754
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:35,160
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one to twenty twenty two rough years for

755
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:38,440
Speaker 1: AD in terms of availability, but he's been consistently available

756
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 1: since then four. He is one of the rare players

757
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:44,799
Speaker 1: in the league who actually goes up a level in

758
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:49,120
Speaker 1: the playoffs consistently in his career. His numbers have been

759
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:53,640
Speaker 1: better in both points and rebounds from the regular season

760
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 1: to the postseason. Last year, he averaged twenty eight points

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00:36:56,680 --> 00:37:00,279
Speaker 1: and sixteen rebounds on sixty seven percent for shooting. Here's

762
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 1: a basic stat to explain the chasm between the perception

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00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 1: of who AD is a playoff player in the reality.

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Speaker 1: Most of you guys probably don't know this, but Anthony

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Speaker 1: Davis has played in sixty playoff games. Embiid has played

766
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:15,200
Speaker 1: in fifty nine, so they've played in basically the same

767
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:17,319
Speaker 1: amount of playoff games. Who do you think has more

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00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 1: thirty point playoff games between those two guys? You probably

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00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:23,239
Speaker 1: think it's EMBIID, No AD does. AD has twenty three

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00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:25,800
Speaker 1: thirty point games and beat has twenty one. Who do

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00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:27,920
Speaker 1: you think has more forty point playoff games between those

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00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 1: two guys? You probably think embiat Nope, it's ad eighty

773
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:34,279
Speaker 1: has three forty point playoff games and bid has two.

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00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:37,760
Speaker 1: That's just a quick look at scoring, and eighty's doing

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00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:41,080
Speaker 1: that while the offense is being run through different players.

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00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:44,840
Speaker 1: Embiid is being force sped the ball in these playoff

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00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 1: settings and is not producing at the same level that

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Speaker 1: Anthony Davis does. Anthony Davis is one of the most

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00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 1: dominant and impactful playoff players in the league, and he

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00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:56,600
Speaker 1: had a rough series against Jokic two years ago in

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00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:58,840
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three, and he had some health issues and

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00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:01,760
Speaker 1: I think that has caused people to just completely underrate

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00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 1: the guy. And then, lastly, the last piece piece, number

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00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:10,640
Speaker 1: five versatility. Unlike a guy like Embiid, AD can play

785
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 1: in a variety of styles and schemes on both ends

786
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:16,040
Speaker 1: of the floor. Do you want to run five four

787
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:18,920
Speaker 1: out like the MAVs and just spam high ball screens

788
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:21,600
Speaker 1: with a space four eighty is excellent for that. Do

789
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:23,480
Speaker 1: you want to play out of the post and run

790
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 1: off ball action kind of like the Warriors do well.

791
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 1: Aight is one of the best post players in the league.

792
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:29,759
Speaker 1: Do you want to play five out with a ton

793
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:32,480
Speaker 1: of ball in player movement? Aight is awesome at that too.

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00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:33,680
Speaker 1: We just saw that last year he had one of

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00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:36,040
Speaker 1: the best offensive seasons of his career. What about the

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00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:38,600
Speaker 1: defensive end. You want to run deep drop coverage because

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00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:41,120
Speaker 1: you have excellent point of attack guys, he's your guy.

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00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:43,440
Speaker 1: You want to run high drop because you can struggle

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00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:45,400
Speaker 1: at the point of attack. Eighty's your guy. Does a

800
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:47,279
Speaker 1: lot of that with the Lakers. Right. Do you want

801
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:50,279
Speaker 1: to have a blitz look or like a zone look, well,

802
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:52,200
Speaker 1: Ad can do both really well. Do you want to

803
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:53,759
Speaker 1: have a switching look? Eighty is one of the best

804
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 1: switching defenders in the world, So he fits the criteria

805
00:38:57,040 --> 00:39:00,520
Speaker 1: from my list very well. I will concede that his

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00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:04,279
Speaker 1: weakest category is that regular season availability piece, but he's

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00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 1: been available in the regular season over the past year

808
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 1: and a half and so like in the first area,

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00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:13,319
Speaker 1: which is like regular season availability and impact, Ady's been

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00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:16,600
Speaker 1: strong in that area as of late. The second category,

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00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:19,360
Speaker 1: playoff translatability. I think he's one of the best playoff

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00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:21,480
Speaker 1: performers in the league, and he's uniquely one of the

813
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 1: guys who actually goes up a level in that setting.

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00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:26,880
Speaker 1: Game becomes more physical, more rock fights. Ad is more

815
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:30,520
Speaker 1: valuable and then the third piece versatility, as if I

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00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:34,440
Speaker 1: draft Anthony Davis, the world is completely open to me

817
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:36,239
Speaker 1: in terms of players that I can draft with that

818
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:39,840
Speaker 1: second pick, whereas whereas I have some limitations if I

819
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:42,880
Speaker 1: pick some different players. He is a highly versatile player

820
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:45,279
Speaker 1: who is easy for a GM to build around. That

821
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:48,799
Speaker 1: just puts him in a really, really good spot in

822
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:51,360
Speaker 1: terms of how he could be valued in this context.

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00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:54,960
Speaker 1: Last note, I'm curious as to why AD is one

824
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 1: of the most underrated players in the league, and I

825
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 1: think it's pretty simple. One, he's somewhat non traditional, right

826
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:04,600
Speaker 1: He's a defensive star right where that's his primary impact,

827
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:06,760
Speaker 1: and people think he's a bad offensive player. But hopefully

828
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:09,160
Speaker 1: after today we can put that myth to rest. Two,

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00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:11,160
Speaker 1: people don't really like the Lakers, which I get. There's

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Speaker 1: a lot of Lakers fans and a lot of Lakers

831
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:15,359
Speaker 1: media coverage. I totally understand why some people get sick

832
00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:17,960
Speaker 1: of that. And then, lastly, because the Lakers don't have

833
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:19,799
Speaker 1: good role players. They don't have guys who can play

834
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 1: both ends of the floor outside of Lebron and Ad,

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Speaker 1: and so as a result, the team just is kind

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Speaker 1: of mediocre, Like they're not a top tier contender. They're

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00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:29,120
Speaker 1: in that second tier of teams, and as a result

838
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:31,200
Speaker 1: of that, they like don't get the respect, especially with

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Speaker 1: the team that has both Lebron James and Anthony Davis

840
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:35,360
Speaker 1: on the team. And so I understand that that's like

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00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:37,879
Speaker 1: the reason, but I'm hoping that over the course of time,

842
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:39,839
Speaker 1: people gain a little bit more respect for what ad

843
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:41,440
Speaker 1: brings to the table. And I think the Olympics were

844
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:44,479
Speaker 1: another great example of that, especially on the versatility front.

845
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:47,359
Speaker 1: Just what he did trying to fit in alongside everyone else.

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00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:09,040
Speaker 1: All right, bailback, I agree with ninety percent of your takes,

847
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:12,480
Speaker 1: but ANT is simply too high on this list. Recency

848
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:16,040
Speaker 1: bias kills media members and fans so much. So I'm

849
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:18,239
Speaker 1: not gonna get too far into it because Ant is

850
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:19,960
Speaker 1: next for me at number five. So we're gonna do

851
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 1: a lot of talking about it in the next video,

852
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:25,000
Speaker 1: but I'll do a really quick synopsis of it. First

853
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:26,920
Speaker 1: of all, Aunt just came off of a Western Conference

854
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:29,239
Speaker 1: Finals run where he averaged twenty eight, seven and seven

855
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 1: on sixty percent trough shooting. In the process, he swept

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00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 1: a KD super team and eliminated the defending champs, including

857
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:40,600
Speaker 1: in game seven, completely shutting down Jamal Murray in the

858
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:45,319
Speaker 1: second half of Game seven. Like, that's an insane playoff run.

859
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 1: And if, like literally, if any of the guys that

860
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:52,080
Speaker 1: we have in the top four had that same playoff run,

861
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:54,560
Speaker 1: everyone would be like, Oh, this is what superstars do.

862
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:58,239
Speaker 1: But for some reason, with Ant it's getting overshadowed. And

863
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 1: I think the main reason why is because he ran

864
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:02,680
Speaker 1: into Luca and he really struggled, and there were a

865
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:05,319
Speaker 1: couple of different factors there. I think Luca's aura had

866
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 1: an impact, right, Like we've seen that before, right, Like

867
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:10,839
Speaker 1: Jason Tatum awesome. The entire twenty twenty two playoff run

868
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:13,920
Speaker 1: ran into Steph had a bad series, right, Steph when

869
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:16,640
Speaker 1: he was younger, like, you'd be really good playoff player,

870
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:18,960
Speaker 1: and then he run into like twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen,

871
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:21,520
Speaker 1: Steph wasn't very good when he ran into Lebron. There

872
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:23,920
Speaker 1: was like a little bit of a struggle there for

873
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:25,840
Speaker 1: Steph to get to the point where he was competing

874
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:29,320
Speaker 1: at Lebron's level in those series in twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen,

875
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:32,360
Speaker 1: the playoff, the Playing Game in twenty twenty one, the

876
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:35,120
Speaker 1: series in twenty twenty three, Steph was much more at

877
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:37,640
Speaker 1: Lebron's level, but in twenty fifteen to twenty sixteen, Lebron

878
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:40,080
Speaker 1: just not played him. And like even Lebron in his

879
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:42,480
Speaker 1: early part of his careers, like in his career, like

880
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:45,160
Speaker 1: he'd run into that Celtics team and he would struggle.

881
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:46,840
Speaker 1: He run into the Spurs team and struggle under the

882
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 1: aura of guys like KG Paul Pierre's, Tony Parker, Tim Duncan.

883
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:52,799
Speaker 1: That's like a typical thing that we see happen with

884
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:56,799
Speaker 1: young stars. And so had an iffy series in the

885
00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:59,959
Speaker 1: Western Conference finals against Luka Doncic, who we all agree

886
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:02,800
Speaker 1: is like one of the top two or three players

887
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:07,520
Speaker 1: in the league, Like even Bucks fans will have him third, right, So, like, like,

888
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:10,680
Speaker 1: for whatever reason, that whole playoff run just got swept away,

889
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:13,480
Speaker 1: even though he was like literally fucking incredible for the

890
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 1: first two rounds, right like, And so I think that's

891
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:18,440
Speaker 1: a little ridiculous, to be clear, A lot of this

892
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:20,440
Speaker 1: has to do with quite the criteria of my list.

893
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:23,439
Speaker 1: If everyone was healthy and I had a playoff series

894
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:25,800
Speaker 1: starting tomorrow, Aunt would be lower, he'd be in the

895
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:28,640
Speaker 1: nine to ten to eleven range. But the playoff series

896
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:33,120
Speaker 1: doesn't start tomorrow. In this scenario, his first playoff game

897
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:36,319
Speaker 1: would be like nine months from now, and he'd have

898
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:40,600
Speaker 1: another eighty plus games of experience before then. And so

899
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:44,960
Speaker 1: like that to me, Like, I actually think I'm projecting

900
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:47,319
Speaker 1: Aunt is going to be a top five player this year.

901
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:50,279
Speaker 1: But the main reason why, like as I mentioned, I

902
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:52,640
Speaker 1: didn't see much of a gap between five and eleven

903
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:54,600
Speaker 1: in this list. So if you told me you had

904
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:56,160
Speaker 1: an Aunt, if you in the comments are like, I

905
00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:59,120
Speaker 1: think Ant's number eleven, I'd be like, cool, got it,

906
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:02,360
Speaker 1: I have beat at eleven. I don't have much of

907
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:05,799
Speaker 1: a gap at all between Ant and MB. That's not

908
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:08,120
Speaker 1: the way this list is meant to be organized. These

909
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:12,480
Speaker 1: guys are splitting hairs, right. However, what did I say

910
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 1: the tiers were called bottom tier was like best players

911
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:18,399
Speaker 1: that can't be the best player in a championship team.

912
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:21,480
Speaker 1: That second tier was worst players that can be the

913
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:23,799
Speaker 1: best player in a championship team. The tier that we

914
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:26,799
Speaker 1: just finished today or finishing Yeah, the tier that we

915
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:32,160
Speaker 1: just finished today is like superstars that aren't perennial MVP candidates.

916
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 1: What's my top tier perennial MVP candidates. I think Anthony

917
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:39,480
Speaker 1: Edwards is going to be a top five MVP candidate

918
00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:42,320
Speaker 1: each of the next five years. He just finished seventh

919
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:44,560
Speaker 1: in MVP last year, and he wasn't as good in

920
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:46,920
Speaker 1: the regular season as he was in the postseason. If

921
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:48,480
Speaker 1: Ant played the way he did in the postseason in

922
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:50,400
Speaker 1: the regular season, he would have probably finished second or

923
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:54,840
Speaker 1: third in MVP. That's the thing. It's the cutoff. The

924
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:59,279
Speaker 1: tier cutoff was perennial MVP candidates. That automatically put Ant

925
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:01,600
Speaker 1: in at number five for me, because that's the way

926
00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:04,920
Speaker 1: my tears worked. Now, here's the thing. Let's talk about it.

927
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:10,040
Speaker 1: Out of all those players, So Aunt, Ad, Tatum, lebron

928
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:15,360
Speaker 1: kd Steph, Embiid, Right, I get that, right? Yeah? I

929
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:19,200
Speaker 1: think so. So that's our seven guys, let's talk about him.

930
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:22,359
Speaker 1: Is Embiid gonna win be an MVP candidate next year?

931
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 1: I don't think so because of load management, right, Anthony Davis,

932
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:27,440
Speaker 1: I think he has a shot, but I don't think

933
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:29,680
Speaker 1: the Lakers are good enough and Ad. One of the

934
00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:32,160
Speaker 1: issues is he doesn't play as hard consistently in the

935
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:33,799
Speaker 1: regular season as some of his piers, So I don't

936
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:36,640
Speaker 1: think Ad would get it. Is it? Jason Tatum. I

937
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:38,680
Speaker 1: don't think he's good enough, and I don't think his

938
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:41,759
Speaker 1: team is good enough. Tatum has just one top five

939
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 1: MVP finish in his entire career. Is a KD No,

940
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:50,040
Speaker 1: he's too old, Lebron knows too old. Steph no's too old.

941
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 1: So that that's really it, Like, of all those guys,

942
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:57,760
Speaker 1: who's most most likely to be a top five MVP

943
00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:01,520
Speaker 1: candidate each of the next five years, it's obviously I

944
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:03,640
Speaker 1: think he'll finish third or fourth in MVP next year.

945
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:07,440
Speaker 1: So like for me, like that just was the cutoff.

946
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:10,799
Speaker 1: Was ants a perennially perennial MVP candidate Now, within the

947
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:15,400
Speaker 1: context of the totality of the criteria, I want to

948
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:17,680
Speaker 1: wait to break that down until we get to the

949
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:19,959
Speaker 1: show on Monday, and we will go into detail. Because

950
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:22,719
Speaker 1: the other thing too, is like he's a freaky athlete

951
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 1: and he plays super hard. He played seventy nine games

952
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:27,360
Speaker 1: last year and seventy nine games a year before that,

953
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:32,840
Speaker 1: so like you can book edwards for eighty games and

954
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 1: an MVP level production. That's a huge value add. And

955
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:38,960
Speaker 1: then the guy that everyone thinks is a bad playoff player,

956
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:42,240
Speaker 1: the guy that I'm ranking like nine ten to eleven

957
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:44,480
Speaker 1: in terms of like for a series that start tomorrow.

958
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:46,959
Speaker 1: Just averaged twenty eight seven and seven on sixty percent

959
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:49,799
Speaker 1: tru shooting in a Western Conference Finals run. So like,

960
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:51,560
Speaker 1: I get it. I know people are lower on ANT

961
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:55,000
Speaker 1: than I am, and I to be clear, I'm not

962
00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:58,680
Speaker 1: basing this on last year. I am projecting. I think

963
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:01,640
Speaker 1: ANT is going to be the fifth best foundational piece

964
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:04,879
Speaker 1: of a franchise for an entire season this coming year.

965
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:07,600
Speaker 1: That's the way that that is supposed to work. But again,

966
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:10,200
Speaker 1: we'll get much more into that as we head into

967
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:14,239
Speaker 1: next week. I think there should be something said about

968
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:16,840
Speaker 1: players like Giannis, ad and Tatum, who are elite defenders

969
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:18,480
Speaker 1: but also managed to put up twenty five to thirty

970
00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:20,680
Speaker 1: points per game while being the focal points of their

971
00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:25,319
Speaker 1: respective teams offenses. Yes, their offense may be inconsistent at

972
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:27,160
Speaker 1: times and not as flashy, but aside from a few

973
00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:30,120
Speaker 1: brutal series, they've been always elite two way playoff performers.

974
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:31,880
Speaker 1: Totally agree, and by the way, that's why I have

975
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:34,680
Speaker 1: all those guys ahead of the older guys like Katie

976
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:37,080
Speaker 1: Lebron and Steph even though those guys are better for

977
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:40,600
Speaker 1: a playoff series. It's all about like just overall two

978
00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:44,560
Speaker 1: way impact over an eighty two game context. It's just

979
00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:46,080
Speaker 1: a comment I'm gonna read. I don't have any response,

980
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:47,279
Speaker 1: but it's just a comment that I thought made an

981
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 1: interesting point about Tatum. I've got to say I appreciate

982
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:52,160
Speaker 1: hearing all the Tatum defending. I've always loved the show,

983
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:53,560
Speaker 1: but as a Celtics fan, there have been a few

984
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:55,360
Speaker 1: times where I was really disappointed with how often you

985
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:57,319
Speaker 1: pointed out his flaws and how rarely you give him

986
00:47:57,320 --> 00:47:59,439
Speaker 1: credit for what he did right. Don't get me wrong,

987
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:01,520
Speaker 1: in no way a saying that pointing out Tatum's flaws

988
00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:03,920
Speaker 1: wasn't all unwarranted. He does have flaws, and I'll be

989
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:05,640
Speaker 1: the first one to tell you night tonight. Tatum can

990
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:07,000
Speaker 1: look like one of the best players in the league,

991
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:08,400
Speaker 1: and then other days he can have days where he

992
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:10,920
Speaker 1: smokes four or five easy layups. But even on those

993
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:14,000
Speaker 1: off nights, he finds ways to impact the game in

994
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:17,320
Speaker 1: big ways. However, over the course of this last postseason,

995
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:20,160
Speaker 1: I was very encouraged by Tatum because even with a

996
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:22,480
Speaker 1: massive shooting slump he was in, he was impacting the

997
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:25,200
Speaker 1: game in every other way. He intentionally got switches on too.

998
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:28,240
Speaker 1: Luca drove right past him, forcing someone to come help,

999
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:30,759
Speaker 1: leading to wide up and kickout passes. I just wanted

1000
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:32,320
Speaker 1: to take time to give you credit for being upfront

1001
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:34,879
Speaker 1: and unbiased. Even when you've said you don't necessarily love

1002
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:37,000
Speaker 1: Tatum's game from time to time, you still give him

1003
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:39,239
Speaker 1: his credit and came to his defense against players. Those

1004
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:40,600
Speaker 1: of us who have watched on the channel for a

1005
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:43,880
Speaker 1: long time know you love and root for so I

1006
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:45,920
Speaker 1: just wanted to be sure you know, as a basketball

1007
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:48,359
Speaker 1: fan that I appreciate the objectivity. And as I said

1008
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:50,920
Speaker 1: in the comment on the last video, he was absolutely right.

1009
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:53,400
Speaker 1: There's one thing we can all agree on. It's about

1010
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:55,560
Speaker 1: the basketball. Love the show. Thank you so much for

1011
00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:57,160
Speaker 1: the kind words in the sport. And I totally agree

1012
00:48:57,200 --> 00:48:59,480
Speaker 1: about your breakdown of Tatum and the way that he

1013
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:03,480
Speaker 1: is discussed. And I know that I've been a little

1014
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:06,000
Speaker 1: too negative with him over the course of the last year.

1015
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:07,760
Speaker 1: The big thing is like, and I was actually tweeting

1016
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:11,480
Speaker 1: about this this morning, like it's interesting, he's a twenty

1017
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:14,080
Speaker 1: six year old superstar, like in the heart of his prime,

1018
00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:16,800
Speaker 1: who's in like a massive slump, like a like he

1019
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:18,960
Speaker 1: went from having everything we just talked about in the

1020
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:22,399
Speaker 1: playoffs to like like going oh for sixteen on jump

1021
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:24,560
Speaker 1: shots in the Olympics and getting benched. Like it's just interesting.

1022
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:26,520
Speaker 1: It's an interesting story, and that's why we've been talking

1023
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:28,360
Speaker 1: about it a lot, and like there's something to be

1024
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:31,680
Speaker 1: said about, like consistent success is boring, right, and that's

1025
00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:33,719
Speaker 1: something I try to fight against, but it's kind of

1026
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:35,080
Speaker 1: natural that it comes out, and I just have to

1027
00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:39,040
Speaker 1: do better job. Ad is a proven number two guy.

1028
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:42,120
Speaker 1: How can he be above Braun when bron leads them

1029
00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:44,480
Speaker 1: in all the high leverage moments, runs the offense and

1030
00:49:44,560 --> 00:49:47,160
Speaker 1: still outscores Ad per game in the regular season in playoffs.

1031
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:50,200
Speaker 1: First of all, Ady could absolutely win on his own

1032
00:49:50,239 --> 00:49:52,399
Speaker 1: with the right roster. I mean we just saw Tatum win.

1033
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:54,080
Speaker 1: I think the Celtics would still win the title if

1034
00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:55,879
Speaker 1: they had Ad. I actually think they'd be a little

1035
00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:57,440
Speaker 1: better with Ad than if they had Tatum. The main

1036
00:49:57,480 --> 00:49:59,880
Speaker 1: reason why is I think if you gave me Jaylen Brown,

1037
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:03,719
Speaker 1: Anthony Davis, Derek White, Drew Holliday, Like, if you gave

1038
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:07,200
Speaker 1: me that type of defensive foundation, I think they'd be

1039
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:08,560
Speaker 1: the best. I think they'd be one of the greatest

1040
00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:11,880
Speaker 1: defenses of all time, and then the second piece of

1041
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:14,680
Speaker 1: it is Katie and Steph. You can't, like I understand

1042
00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:16,640
Speaker 1: for MVP purposes, Like I don't think Ad is gonna

1043
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:19,600
Speaker 1: win an MVP because he plays next to Lebron, But like,

1044
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:23,080
Speaker 1: that doesn't mean AD's not still a top tier superstar.

1045
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:26,880
Speaker 1: Like Kad and Steph played together for years, that doesn't

1046
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:28,560
Speaker 1: mean that neither of them get to be called a

1047
00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:30,800
Speaker 1: superstar just because they play alongside another one, Like I

1048
00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:34,359
Speaker 1: don't like again, like that to me shouldn't matter again,

1049
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:36,960
Speaker 1: like that, it was a different thing in Golden State too,

1050
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:38,719
Speaker 1: because they didn't just have Katie and Steph. They also

1051
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:40,600
Speaker 1: had Clay, They also had Draamond, they also had on

1052
00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:43,800
Speaker 1: drag woodall. Like that team was ridiculous. But I don't

1053
00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:45,919
Speaker 1: necessarily think for the sake of this type of list

1054
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:50,080
Speaker 1: you would punish a D. Like, for instance, in that

1055
00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:52,040
Speaker 1: era that Katie and Steph were playing together, I thought

1056
00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:54,239
Speaker 1: they were the second and third best players in the league.

1057
00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:55,919
Speaker 1: I like, even though they were playing together, I thought

1058
00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:58,640
Speaker 1: it was Lebron, Steph KD Like they were still right there.

1059
00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:04,799
Speaker 1: Just so staggering that after twenty years, this guy is

1060
00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:07,920
Speaker 1: still an all NBA performers talking about Lebron, I've never

1061
00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:10,320
Speaker 1: seen anything like it. And over fifty years following the league,

1062
00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:13,040
Speaker 1: players like Kareem had incredible longevity, but none of them

1063
00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:14,960
Speaker 1: were playing at this level at the end of their careers.

1064
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:17,360
Speaker 1: Got to be one of the strongest, the strongest reasons

1065
00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:19,680
Speaker 1: to think of Lebron as the greatest ever. Jordan may

1066
00:51:19,719 --> 00:51:21,200
Speaker 1: have had the greatest peak ever, but he was a

1067
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:23,520
Speaker 1: shell of himself when he retired. What we were watching

1068
00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:26,440
Speaker 1: is nearly a miracle. I totally agree, And that's Lebron's case.

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00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:28,840
Speaker 1: As I've said, like, it is similar kind of framework

1070
00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:32,520
Speaker 1: we've crafted this list as like if you were starting

1071
00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:37,000
Speaker 1: a season that starts in October. My goat case list

1072
00:51:37,080 --> 00:51:39,040
Speaker 1: is like if I was starting a career, like if

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00:51:39,080 --> 00:51:41,680
Speaker 1: I was launching a franchise, Like if we had all

1074
00:51:41,719 --> 00:51:45,520
Speaker 1: thirty franchises starting from scratch and it wasn't just one season,

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00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:49,839
Speaker 1: but we were playing out those players' careers, I would

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00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:52,080
Speaker 1: want Lebron as the number one pick because I'm getting

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00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:55,319
Speaker 1: we're about to have his twenty second straight year of

1078
00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:59,160
Speaker 1: like all star level production, and you know, like what

1079
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:04,200
Speaker 1: nineteenth twenty straight year of all NBA level production like that,

1080
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:06,360
Speaker 1: just that gives me as a GM a lot of

1081
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:09,160
Speaker 1: leeway to make mistakes, to figure out what works to

1082
00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:12,160
Speaker 1: you know, as we talk about, there's all these other things,

1083
00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:16,600
Speaker 1: like sometimes Katie and Steph join each other and they're

1084
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:19,040
Speaker 1: just gonna be really hard to beat. Sometimes your co

1085
00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:22,200
Speaker 1: stars get hurt, right, like Kyrie and Kevin love right,

1086
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:26,160
Speaker 1: Like sometimes you your star gets hurt, right, Like, There's

1087
00:52:26,160 --> 00:52:28,600
Speaker 1: all these different things that can happen, and so what

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00:52:28,640 --> 00:52:30,719
Speaker 1: you're really looking for is shots at the table, right

1089
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:32,719
Speaker 1: Like if it's like it's like if we were playing roulette,

1090
00:52:33,800 --> 00:52:36,520
Speaker 1: if I but I was placing your bets for you,

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00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:38,520
Speaker 1: if I gave you just one bet, like you only

1092
00:52:38,520 --> 00:52:41,560
Speaker 1: have a you know, slightly below fifty percent chance of winning, right,

1093
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:44,640
Speaker 1: But like if I have if I gave you five chances,

1094
00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:47,480
Speaker 1: like you're you're just you're gonna win at like one

1095
00:52:47,560 --> 00:52:49,719
Speaker 1: or two of them at least, right, And that's that's

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00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:51,400
Speaker 1: kind of the way I look at it in terms

1097
00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:54,520
Speaker 1: of that goat debate, Like if I have twenty plus

1098
00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:57,759
Speaker 1: years of all NBA level production from Lebron, like that

1099
00:52:57,880 --> 00:53:00,800
Speaker 1: just gives me a really good chance to win more titles.

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Speaker 1: Than the other players that have come in NBA history.

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00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:05,200
Speaker 1: I'm not a huge Lebron fan, but what's the argument

1102
00:53:05,239 --> 00:53:08,480
Speaker 1: for Ad over him or Steph or Durant or Embiid

1103
00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:11,000
Speaker 1: Guys that lead their teams and are that and are

1104
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:13,200
Speaker 1: the number one options each night. And we've seen Ad

1105
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:16,080
Speaker 1: lead teams and wasn't very successful although he was healthy

1106
00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:18,720
Speaker 1: last season twenty one and twenty two cost of Lakers

1107
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:21,399
Speaker 1: by his injuries. We take Lebron off that team, they're

1108
00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:23,719
Speaker 1: worse than you took Ad off of it, same as

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00:53:23,719 --> 00:53:25,600
Speaker 1: if we switched Steph with Ad. The Lakers are good

1110
00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:30,319
Speaker 1: and the Warriors are worse. Between injuries and inconsistently inconsistency offensively,

1111
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:33,800
Speaker 1: How do you have Ad over guys like KD, Curry, Lebron,

1112
00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:36,520
Speaker 1: and Embiid? If your take is defense, I would personally

1113
00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:39,680
Speaker 1: take an offensive juggernaut over a guy that is inconsistent

1114
00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:42,480
Speaker 1: on offense but a defensive anchor. Thanks keep up the

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00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:44,879
Speaker 1: good work, Thank you for supporting the show. You'll notice

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Speaker 1: I have the offensive engines over him. I have you know,

1117
00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:49,960
Speaker 1: Shay over him, I have Luca over him, I have

1118
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:53,319
Speaker 1: Jokich over him. The only offensive engines I have below

1119
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:56,279
Speaker 1: him are guys like Embiid or Steph who's Steph's old

1120
00:53:56,320 --> 00:53:58,440
Speaker 1: and is showing some signs of decline and Embiid is

1121
00:53:58,520 --> 00:54:01,359
Speaker 1: constantly hurt. But I agree that like the offensive engine

1122
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:04,600
Speaker 1: types are over AD, but like AD is a much

1123
00:54:04,680 --> 00:54:07,480
Speaker 1: more impactful regular season player than Lebron in my opinion,

1124
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:10,160
Speaker 1: Like if Lebron' sat out a regular season game, you

1125
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:12,680
Speaker 1: felt like Austin di Lo and AD had a good

1126
00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:15,000
Speaker 1: chance to win. But if AD was out and they

1127
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:17,640
Speaker 1: were playing somebody decent, it was like automatic loss. That's

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00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:19,279
Speaker 1: what it felt like as a fan watching. And I

1129
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:21,279
Speaker 1: can't remember the exact numbers, but they're like something like

1130
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:24,880
Speaker 1: three and seven over the last ten games that AD missed,

1131
00:54:24,920 --> 00:54:27,440
Speaker 1: so like they pretty consistently lose when he's out. Like

1132
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:29,760
Speaker 1: I again, I'm not gonna put him over the offensive

1133
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:31,719
Speaker 1: engine types at the top of the league, but an

1134
00:54:31,719 --> 00:54:36,480
Speaker 1: overall impact, especially with what he brings defensively, I just

1135
00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:38,040
Speaker 1: have him above the guys that we have below. And

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00:54:38,040 --> 00:54:40,279
Speaker 1: I went extensively about that in the earlier part of

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00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:43,640
Speaker 1: this show. Anthony Edwards and Jason Tatum are not better

1138
00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:47,680
Speaker 1: than Lebron Steph for KD again totally agree. Series starts tomorrow.

1139
00:54:47,719 --> 00:54:50,359
Speaker 1: Give me Lebron Steph for KD. That's not how it works, though.

1140
00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:53,600
Speaker 1: Format of this list is October to June. I need

1141
00:54:53,600 --> 00:54:56,800
Speaker 1: to survive the regular season. AT's gonna play seventy nine games.

1142
00:54:57,040 --> 00:54:59,680
Speaker 1: Tatum's gonna play seventy four games. They're both gonna put

1143
00:54:59,719 --> 00:55:02,759
Speaker 1: up CRAI production, you know, Lebron, Stephan, Katie. They might

1144
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:05,120
Speaker 1: play seventy games. They might also play fifty games. They

1145
00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:09,200
Speaker 1: might impact winning at a superstar level for thirty of

1146
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:11,400
Speaker 1: those games and at a star level for another thirty

1147
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:14,080
Speaker 1: of those games, whereas like Jason Tatum are just like

1148
00:55:14,080 --> 00:55:16,920
Speaker 1: they're athletic wrecking balls that are gonna play like just

1149
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:19,600
Speaker 1: impact winning a ton over the course of eighty two games.

1150
00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:23,880
Speaker 1: Two more questions for the mailback. How much of Lebron's

1151
00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:25,960
Speaker 1: effort do you think is laziness and how much is

1152
00:55:26,080 --> 00:55:29,080
Speaker 1: necessary coasting or does it not matter? Lack of effort

1153
00:55:29,239 --> 00:55:31,480
Speaker 1: is lack of effort either way, that's really it's going

1154
00:55:31,520 --> 00:55:32,840
Speaker 1: to be a bit of both. But we've seen what

1155
00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:35,239
Speaker 1: happens when Lebron exerts too much throughout the whole game.

1156
00:55:35,320 --> 00:55:37,120
Speaker 1: He gets gassed and can't affect the game as much

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00:55:37,160 --> 00:55:39,520
Speaker 1: in second halves. Love the show. Keep up the great work.

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00:55:39,640 --> 00:55:43,319
Speaker 1: I think it's one hundred percent necessary coasting. Lebron is

1159
00:55:43,480 --> 00:55:45,279
Speaker 1: just too much of a winner in his career to

1160
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:48,280
Speaker 1: be lazy, but he's coasting to try to conserve energy.

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00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:50,880
Speaker 1: The problem is the Lakers' roster isn't as good as

1162
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:52,480
Speaker 1: you'd like it to be to be able to actually

1163
00:55:52,520 --> 00:55:57,320
Speaker 1: allow him to coast the way that he does. Last question, Jason,

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00:55:57,320 --> 00:55:59,000
Speaker 1: thank you for taking the time to make these videos

1165
00:55:59,040 --> 00:56:00,600
Speaker 1: and to read this comment. I want to play a

1166
00:56:00,600 --> 00:56:03,640
Speaker 1: little devil's advocate for my guy now that we are

1167
00:56:03,680 --> 00:56:05,200
Speaker 1: at the top of the list, and in my opinion,

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00:56:05,239 --> 00:56:07,759
Speaker 1: he does not belong in this tier. From all of

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00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:10,680
Speaker 1: the playoff teams last year, only one team did not

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00:56:10,719 --> 00:56:12,920
Speaker 1: have a top twenty five player on your list. I'm

1171
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:14,880
Speaker 1: sure you know I'm talking about the Orlando Magic. I

1172
00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:16,720
Speaker 1: know you had him at twenty six or twenty seven.

1173
00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:18,400
Speaker 1: But there are players on the list that are at

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00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:21,440
Speaker 1: best number two on their team, and some other players

1175
00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:23,719
Speaker 1: that have yet to accomplish anything in the NBA. If

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00:56:23,719 --> 00:56:26,080
Speaker 1: we are basing this list on the upcoming year's potential,

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00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:28,719
Speaker 1: I find it hard to believe that Palamoncaro is not

1178
00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:31,880
Speaker 1: a top twenty five player in the NBA. Thanks, thank

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00:56:31,960 --> 00:56:35,239
Speaker 1: you again for the time and keep up the great content. Will.

1180
00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:37,080
Speaker 1: I'm almost certain he'll be in it next year. He

1181
00:56:37,120 --> 00:56:38,680
Speaker 1: was just on the fringe for me. Don't forget. I

1182
00:56:38,680 --> 00:56:42,200
Speaker 1: don't see much separation in that bottom tier. So from eighteen,

1183
00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:45,280
Speaker 1: which I think was bam all the way to forty five,

1184
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:48,880
Speaker 1: I kind of all have him in a similar grouping.

1185
00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:50,719
Speaker 1: Like I think you could make a case for Paul

1186
00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:52,080
Speaker 1: George to be on this list. You can make a

1187
00:56:52,080 --> 00:56:53,520
Speaker 1: case for James Harden to be on this list. You

1188
00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:54,920
Speaker 1: can make a case for Trey Young to be on

1189
00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:56,719
Speaker 1: this list. You can make a case for Palamonkaro to

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00:56:56,719 --> 00:56:58,360
Speaker 1: be on this list. A bunch of different guys that

1191
00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:00,320
Speaker 1: we can look at there. I'm a huge fan of

1192
00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:04,120
Speaker 1: Palo that he had incredibly impressive first round playoff series.

1193
00:57:04,280 --> 00:57:05,920
Speaker 1: The Magic are going to be a team we cover

1194
00:57:06,080 --> 00:57:08,680
Speaker 1: very closely this year. But yeah, he just didn't just

1195
00:57:08,719 --> 00:57:10,680
Speaker 1: barely miss the cut for me in this year, And

1196
00:57:10,680 --> 00:57:12,520
Speaker 1: the main reason why is like, I don't think he's

1197
00:57:12,560 --> 00:57:14,359
Speaker 1: good enough as a number one yet to really get

1198
00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:17,960
Speaker 1: his team that close. The jump shooting and kind of

1199
00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:20,200
Speaker 1: just overall half court decision making piece just has a

1200
00:57:20,200 --> 00:57:22,400
Speaker 1: long way to go. But I'm a huge believer in Palo.

1201
00:57:22,520 --> 00:57:24,240
Speaker 1: Like I remember, we got in a big debate me

1202
00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:28,040
Speaker 1: and Sam Vessini and he's he's a big Franz Wagner guy,

1203
00:57:28,040 --> 00:57:30,520
Speaker 1: and I'm a big Palo guy. And like that's kind

1204
00:57:30,560 --> 00:57:32,040
Speaker 1: of where him and I disagree, is like he thinks

1205
00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:33,240
Speaker 1: Franz is going to be the best player in the

1206
00:57:33,240 --> 00:57:35,160
Speaker 1: long run. I think Palo is going to be really

1207
00:57:35,160 --> 00:57:36,920
Speaker 1: excited to see how that all shakes out though, especially

1208
00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:39,200
Speaker 1: now that we add KCP into the mix as a

1209
00:57:39,200 --> 00:57:41,480
Speaker 1: real veteran two guard. All right, guys, that's all I

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00:57:41,520 --> 00:57:43,560
Speaker 1: have for today and for the weekend. We'll be back.

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Speaker 1: We will be back starting with number five and number

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Speaker 1: four next Monday. As always, I appreciate you guys, and

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Speaker 1: we will see you then. The Volume the NFL seasons

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Speaker 1: right around the corner, will be breaking down all the

1215
00:57:58,360 --> 00:58:01,920
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