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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Bloomberg Markets Podcast. I'm Paul Sweeney, along

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Speaker 1: Matt Miller from Berlin, Germany, again continued newsflow on the

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Speaker 1: healthcare front as it relates to the virus vaccines, what's working,

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Speaker 1: what's not working? To get the latest, we welcome Jalen Mamadova,

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Speaker 1: Global sector lead for healthcare at Third Bridge, based in

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Speaker 1: New York City. Jailn, thanks so much for joining us here.

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Speaker 1: We got some news out here today about merk Uh

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Speaker 1: that it's vaccine they're pulling, it's not working, and then

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Speaker 1: they kind of pulling back from that. How significant is that?

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Speaker 1: Thanks so much for having me, And it's pretty significant

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Speaker 1: given the low vaccine supply that we have and the

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Speaker 1: inefficiencies on the logistics fronts for both in fact pers

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Speaker 1: and providers around the coal chain. For m R and

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Speaker 1: AS is really increases our reliance on the expected positive

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Speaker 1: redoubts from J and J and Novo backs, as well

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Speaker 1: as some pipeline candidates like GSC, SINOFFI and some of

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Speaker 1: the newer platforms that you haven't releasen the media cover

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Speaker 1: as much like back starts, TABLET or CODA Genics, nasal vaccines,

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Speaker 1: all of those now are going to start mattering. The

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Speaker 1: other front is on mark, so they have pulled back

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Speaker 1: on the two. But it's important to also bear in

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Speaker 1: mind that we should still be following a potential reformulation

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Speaker 1: on the delivery front for their VSC platforms, So if

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Speaker 1: you go from intramuscular to potentially intra nasle, you may

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Speaker 1: still see some form of efficacy. The question then is

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Speaker 1: how far behind is that put them on. Fiser and

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Speaker 1: Maderna puts extreme pressure in terms of streamlining their manufacturing.

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Speaker 1: Reefs already seen hiccups in terms of you know, accommodating

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Speaker 1: for temperature controlled environments and modernist booster, which will add

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Speaker 1: as a third regiment to be completely protective from the

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Speaker 1: news strains, will be more and more important. On the upside,

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Speaker 1: though we've seen some loss and scheme on attention in

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Speaker 1: terms of the neutralizing antibody molecules from Lily and the

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Speaker 1: genera on those are going to probably come back, and

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Speaker 1: we'll see more and more adoption of those as well

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Speaker 1: as therapeutic products, which is the anti viral that the

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Speaker 1: work is working on. You know, we we've heard from

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Speaker 1: so many people UM that this has been an inefficient rollout,

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Speaker 1: although it seems so much more efficient than the last

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Speaker 1: time we vaccinated the entire world in a handful of months.

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Speaker 1: I wonder what you think UM needs to be improved

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Speaker 1: and if you have optimism that it will be. I

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Speaker 1: do have optimism, and so Biden's bands can technically work, right,

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Speaker 1: We're already on the path of the news during a

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Speaker 1: million a day, you can even double that number. But

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Speaker 1: all of this is going to be predicated on seeing

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Speaker 1: some form of federal guidance and financing for both providers

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Speaker 1: and manufactors. So take the provider site, that's a huge

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Speaker 1: trick up. We don't have the medical staffing. Sub eight

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Speaker 1: with Mark falling out of the race, at least in

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Speaker 1: the New York term, helping them resupply their dry ice,

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Speaker 1: In order for Biden's plan to work, you need seven

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Speaker 1: point five million production a week for the next nine

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Speaker 1: And you need some assistance on the shipping and container

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Speaker 1: companies as well as distribution mechanisms with with McKesson. All

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Speaker 1: in all, we need a central distribution system in the

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Speaker 1: in the next few months. So Jaalen, A lot of

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Speaker 1: things need to fall into place, A lot of things

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Speaker 1: need to happen that you just enumerated. How confident are

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Speaker 1: the tone has changed, right, it's a it's a more

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Speaker 1: But the tone of the Biden administration has changed and

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Speaker 1: So all he has to do is not do worse

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Speaker 1: The cold chain is not entirely developed in this country.

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Speaker 1: I'm not even talking about the ultra culture cold chain,

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Speaker 1: ultra ultra you know, sub ad Storge. It's all going

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Speaker 1: the emerging markets. What's the plan there? The plan I

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Speaker 1: That was fun. Well, when we take a look at

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Speaker 1: of the new private jet platform XO Thomas. Next, much

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Speaker 1: for joining us here. You know, I think you know

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Speaker 1: What happened to the private jet industry? Hey, how are you? Uh,

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Speaker 1: very very good question. I mean, what do we really

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Speaker 1: all um, you know, piecemeal, um and under the law.

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Speaker 1: Hey Cat, thanks so much for joining us. We appreciate

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Speaker 1: that Cat already high yield distressed debt and bankers reporter

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