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Speaker 1: Welcome to Wrongful Conviction, False Confessions. I'm Laura and I writer.

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Speaker 2: And I'm Steve Drusen.

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Speaker 1: Last week, we told you the story of Robert Davis,

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Speaker 1: a false confession case that happened in Virginia. Today, we're

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Speaker 1: going to tell you about a case out of Chicago,

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Speaker 1: the story of a violent and tragic crime that took

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Speaker 1: the life of a young girl. But there's a larger

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Speaker 1: reason why we want to talk about this case because

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Speaker 1: of what it also took from not one, but five

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Speaker 1: innocent teenage boys and from their families and communities. This

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Speaker 1: case happened during what we now call the super Predator era,

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Speaker 1: the nineteen eighties and nineteen nineties. The news media was

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Speaker 1: saturated with stories of urban crime, drugs and gangs, and

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Speaker 1: in particular, sensationalized stories about black and brown youth committing

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Speaker 1: violent crimes in groups. This narrative is often associated with

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Speaker 1: New York City. It drove the wrongful prosecution of the

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Speaker 1: so called Central Park five wolf Pack, but it didn't

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Speaker 1: stop there. Today we're going to tell you about a

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Speaker 1: group of teenage boys whose false confessions transformed them into

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Speaker 1: Chicago's own wolf pack. They're known as the Dixmore five.

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Speaker 2: You know, Chicago may be called the second City, but

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Speaker 2: in when it comes to false confessions, we don't take

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Speaker 2: a back seat to anybody, not New York or any

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Speaker 2: other jurisdiction for that matter. We're home to more false

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Speaker 2: confessions than any other city in the United States. We're

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Speaker 2: home to more juvenile false confessions, and we're also the

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Speaker 2: home of more cases in which there are multiple false confessions.

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Speaker 2: And over the years, the Center on Wrongful Convictions has

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Speaker 2: obtained exonerations in many of these cases, all of which

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Speaker 2: were from African American teenagers in the Chicago area.

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Speaker 1: Marquette Park four, Uptown seven, Englewood four, Dix Moore five.

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Speaker 1: These numbers start to add up, and the thing is

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Speaker 1: each one of these cases involves innocent African American teenagers

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Speaker 1: in groups confessing to crimes they didn't commit.

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Speaker 2: Of course, the most famous case like this was New

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Speaker 2: York's Central Park five case. In April of nineteen eighty nine,

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Speaker 2: five teenage boys were charged with the sexual assault and

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Speaker 2: the attempted murder of a female jogger in New York's

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Speaker 2: Central Park. The boys falsely confessed to beating this woman

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Speaker 2: within an inch of her life and leaving her in

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Speaker 2: the woods to die. The Central Park five confessions were

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Speaker 2: driven by race wolfpacks. Wilding was a whole new language

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Speaker 2: to describe groups of African American and Latino teenagers, and

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Speaker 2: it created a level of fear in New York City

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Speaker 2: and around the country that I had never seen before.

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Speaker 2: So when we began to look at the Dixmore case,

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Speaker 2: the case of the Central Part five was ringing in

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Speaker 2: my years.

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Speaker 1: It was November of nineteen ninety one and fourteen year

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Speaker 1: old Kateresa Matthews was in the eighth grade. She lived

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Speaker 1: with her mom in Dixmore, a suburb on the south

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Speaker 1: side of Chicago, surrounded by a tight knit extended family

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Speaker 1: and community. Every day, after school, Kateresa followed the same routine.

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Speaker 1: She'd walk to her great grandmother's house, where she'd do

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Speaker 1: her homework, talk on the phone, and do whatever fourteen

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Speaker 1: her mom came home from work to go back to

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Speaker 1: nineteen ninety one. When she doesn't show up at her

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Speaker 1: great grandmother's house after school, her family panics, They call

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Speaker 1: the police and a search begins, but for three weeks

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Speaker 1: there's no sign of Kateresa until December eighth, nineteen ninety one.

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Speaker 1: That's when Kateresa's body is found lying in a wooded

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Speaker 1: She's on her back, partially undressed, with her pants draped

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Speaker 1: are several reasons for this. For one thing, rigor mortis

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Speaker 1: is present when she's found. That usually disappears about twenty

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Speaker 1: four to forty eight hours after death. Her body is

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Speaker 1: also still bleeding when she's discovered, which she wouldn't expect

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Speaker 1: if she'd been killed much earlier. And also, when a

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Speaker 2: This was an awful crime. It's the worst.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's every parent's nightmare to have this happen

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Speaker 2: You know, when you think of a crime like this,

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Speaker 2: you don't think of it as something the teenagers would do. Typically,

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Speaker 2: teenage crimes are impulsive crimes. There's not a lot of

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Speaker 2: But this crime clearly required some forethought.

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Speaker 1: For eleven long months, the investigation into Kateresa's death goes

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Speaker 1: October twenty ninth, nineteen ninety two. Now, Robert's fourteen years old,

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Speaker 1: but he has pretty severe intellectual limitations that make him

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Speaker 1: his interrogator, and the story in this confession is brutal.

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Speaker 1: Robert says he and four other African American teenage boys

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Speaker 1: kidnapped a girl they knew from school. They gang raped

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Speaker 1: they shot her once in the mouth. It was a

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Speaker 1: story of an animalistic group of black teenagers attacking their

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Speaker 2: The level of depravity in this story was so out

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Speaker 2: But it also had an eerily familiar ring to it,

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Speaker 2: was getting passed around among Chicago police officers.

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Speaker 1: Only hours after Robert Veale confesses, police bring in one

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Speaker 1: of his supposed co perpetrators, fifteen year old Robert Taylor.

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Speaker 1: He's a kid from a loving and protective family, but

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Speaker 1: his parents didn't know he was at the police station

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Speaker 1: being interrogated. Hours later, his signature appears on a confession too,

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Speaker 1: and that confession tells a similarly vicious story. The same

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Speaker 1: five African American teenagers lured Katsa into a car, then

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Speaker 3: The super Predator era was a period of pronounced moral

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Speaker 3: panic in the United States that focused on young people,

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Speaker 3: race and crime.

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Speaker 1: That's our colleague and friend, Perry Moriarty. She's a professor

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Speaker 1: of law at the University of Minnesota and an expert

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Speaker 1: on juvenile justice and the era of the super predator.

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Speaker 3: The front end marker is more than likely the Central

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Speaker 3: Park five case that was April of nineteen eighty nine,

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Speaker 3: and that began an era when, in the name of

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Speaker 3: law enforcement authorities dropped any pretense of treating children as

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Speaker 3: by connotation, and certainly by the media. A jogger murdered

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Speaker 2: In Los Angeles.

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Speaker 1: A judge has sentenced two boys for killing another child

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Speaker 1: who refused to steal candy for them. There's a tidal

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Speaker 1: some who study it say the worst is.

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Speaker 2: Yet to come.

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Speaker 3: Terms like wilding, beast chill, predatory. In New York City

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Speaker 3: newspapers alone, the term wilding appeared one hundred and fifty

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Speaker 3: six times in articles over the eight years following the

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Speaker 3: Central Park five arrests. To put it in perspective, just

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Speaker 3: a few months after the Central Park five case, a

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Speaker 3: large group of Italian and Irish, predominantly teenagers in benson Hurst, Brooklyn,

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Speaker 3: Seph Hawkins. And the headlines did not say wilding. They

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Speaker 3: did not say beastschill. They did not even say gang.

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Speaker 3: They said a group of white teenagers.

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Speaker 1: Now the police have two confessions that implicate the same

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Speaker 1: five teenagers, but they're not done yet. Next up is

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Speaker 1: Cheyenne Sharp, seventeen years old, the third supposed co perpetrator.

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Speaker 1: He's questioned for nearly twenty four hours before he also

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Speaker 1: confesses and implicates the other four. And it's the same

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Speaker 1: brutal story, a group of African American teenage boys terrorizing

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Speaker 2: Now you have to understand how these confessions are taken.

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Speaker 2: These confessions are scripted, usually by a prosecutor from the

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Speaker 2: State Attorney's office. Sometimes they're written by police, and these

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Speaker 2: scripts contain a narrative, including character development. Kids are described

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Speaker 2: as thugs. There's usually references to gang membership. Women are

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Speaker 2: called bitches and hoes. The scriptwriter in these cases is

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Speaker 2: doing two things. He's painting the suspects in a way

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Speaker 2: he's also painting them in a way that nobody and

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Speaker 2: that means nobody in the public and nobody on the

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Speaker 2: in doing so, he's making a script that is about

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Speaker 1: So far, the police have confessions from three of the

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Speaker 1: interrogated for hours, but their father had always told them

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Speaker 1: still named in the other three teenagers' statements. So all

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Speaker 3: Hook, in part because they were arresting and prosecuting kids

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Speaker 2: When you look at these cases of multiple false confessions,

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Speaker 2: Robert Field. He was the weak link. Then they get

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Speaker 2: with that confession They use it as a battering ram

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Speaker 2: to plow over all of the other defendants. This is

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Speaker 2: how it works. The first suspect comes in and the

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Speaker 2: police officers tell them that they know that he was

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Speaker 2: involved in this crime and nothing that suspect can say

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Speaker 2: He was just a follower. The suspect is pressured into

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Speaker 2: adopting a story in which he is a passive participant

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Speaker 2: as the more active participants. Then, once that suspect confesses,

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Speaker 2: you committed the crime. He's telling us that you committed

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Speaker 2: the crime. We know you were there, but maybe you

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Speaker 2: just held down her arm while they were raping and

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Speaker 2: killing her. Each suspect is vying for the least culpable role,

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Speaker 2: and at the end of the day, this is a

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Speaker 2: very effective way to get confessions from multiple suspects.

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Speaker 1: In this case, the dominoes are falling and each one

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Speaker 1: of them eventually agrees to a story in which James

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Speaker 1: Harden is the one who actually places the gun inside

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Speaker 1: Kateresa's mouth and pulls the trigger. It's no coincidence that

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Speaker 1: James is one of the last ones questioned.

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Speaker 2: Here, That's right. And at the end of the day,

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Speaker 2: You talk here about tunnel vision. This is what happens.

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Speaker 1: By this time, Robert was in his early thirties.

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Speaker 1: This is an unbelievable thing. Still, they're clinging to this

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Speaker 1: Every time before we walked into that courtroom, I remember

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Speaker 1: On November third, twenty eleven. Robert Ville, Cheyenne Sharp, James Harden,

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Speaker 2: Hello, Hey, Robert, Stephen Waura A long time. I'll see

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Speaker 1: What's going on with you these days, Robert? I'm hanging

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Speaker 2: I got picked boys. You got to pick him up

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Speaker 1: What's your favorite thing to do with your son, Robert?

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Speaker 1: So you can't give those twenty years back to Robert,

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Speaker 3: One of the greatest tragedies in my opinion, and I've

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Speaker 3: been teaching about the Central Park five case for years

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Speaker 3: my criminal law classes, the one thing that people don't

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Speaker 3: know about the case is that the kids were innocent.

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Speaker 3: So few people knew that even after Matthias Rayes confessed,

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Speaker 3: even after these kids were let out of prison, even

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Speaker 3: after they were compensated. It is the footnote in this

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Speaker 3: story that gets lost in our collective consciousness, maybe not anymore. Finally,

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Speaker 3: there is attention being brought to who they actually were

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Speaker 3: and what they suffered, and.

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Speaker 1: That's a big part of how Steve and I approach

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: It's about, of course getting them out of prison, fighting

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Speaker 1: for them, opening up those doors, but it's also about

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Speaker 1: telling the stories. It's about making it meaningful. It's about

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Speaker 1: saying their name. It's about not forgetting what happened to

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Speaker 1: them and changing it so it doesn't happen again. Like

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Speaker 1: the Central Park five, the story of the Dixmore five

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Speaker 1: is about convictions that were driven by prejudice rather than proof.

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Speaker 1: But the injustices of the super Predator era were not

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Speaker 1: just a New York City thing or a Chicago thing,

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Speaker 1: And although we may want to think so, they're not

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Speaker 1: even really a nineteen nineties thing. In times of great

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Speaker 1: fear or moral panic, prejudices can distort the search for

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Speaker 1: the truth. Mistaken assumptions, faulty investigations, and flawed evidence are

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Speaker 1: all still real, and they still cause wrongful convictions across

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Speaker 1: the country. Every day. We tell these stories so that

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Speaker 1: we can learn from them, so that one day there

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Speaker 1: won't be any more. Dix Moore fives to all the dicksive,

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Speaker 1: but especially to our client and friend, Robert Taylor. You've

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Speaker 1: endured years of injustice while remaining a pillar of strength

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Speaker 1: and resilience. To you and your families, we wish you

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Speaker 1: all the best. Thanks for letting us tell your story.

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Speaker 1: Next week, we'll tell you the story of a false

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Speaker 1: confession out of Arkansas, where a twelve year old boy

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Speaker 1: maintains his innocence in a murder case until police turn

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Speaker 1: off the cameras. Wrongful conviction. False Confessions is a production

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Speaker 1: of Lava for Good Podcasts in association with Signal Company

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Speaker 1: number one Special thanks to our executive producer Jason Flamm

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Speaker 1: and the team at Signal Company Number one. Executive producer

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Speaker 1: Kevin wardis Senior producer and Pope, and additional production and

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Speaker 1: editing by Connor Hall. Our music was composed by Jay Ralph.

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Speaker 1: You can follow me on Instagram or Twitter at Laura.

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Speaker 2: Nyrol and you can follow me on Twitter at Sdrizzen.

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