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Speaker 3: Well, you go to the Raiders at six, the Raiders

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Speaker 3: give you their second round pick, so you package then

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Speaker 3: the two sects, so you pick it that at six

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Speaker 3: you take Campbell or gent package the two second rounders.

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Speaker 4: That to go up twenty spots.

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Speaker 3: Maybe not quite twenty, but work with me here, Evan, I'm.

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Speaker 4: Trying to let the fact.

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Speaker 2: What he's saying is I have the quarterback, so you

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Speaker 3: About I got a channel Paul here, as Paul would go,

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Speaker 3: do they I think they gotta They gotta tap that class.

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Speaker 3: They also got to to tap the front seven classes

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Speaker 2: All right, welcome the Patriots Unfiltered. It is Tuesday here

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Speaker 2: at a Lets Stadium, and we're fully into free agency.

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Speaker 2: We're getting ready for the draft. It's all. It's exciting.

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Speaker 2: we want to talk about. Yeah, So Christian ellis back

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Speaker 2: in the fold. Reportedly they've matched the offer that the

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Speaker 2: Raiders gave them. So every lot of linebackers, I would say,

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Speaker 2: we're good with linebackers, right.

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Speaker 3: I wouldn't think so. I mean a lot of them

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Speaker 3: are the same I just started off with.

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Speaker 7: I would think, so, Fred sorry about that.

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Speaker 2: I told him I am forbidding him for using I

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Speaker 3: Is, I'm gonna I think jar I think like I

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Speaker 4: I mean, basically, I'm a big I think I too.

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Speaker 3: I'm trying more.

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Speaker 2: I think I think we all are.

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Speaker 3: I'm surprised that they resigned Christianallis. I thought that they

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Speaker 3: guys seem to fit that mold. Maybe they like him as.

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Speaker 7: A special teams guy.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if some people are saying he's Mike

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Speaker 5: I'm a little cautious about because I've heard a lot

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Speaker 5: sort of became a thing like this, have you not?

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Speaker 2: And he's versatile.

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Speaker 5: Yeah. When hearing that, a lot of people are describing

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Speaker 5: different players, even like prospective draft picks like Mike Rabel

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Speaker 5: kind of players, I feel like I need to learn

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Speaker 5: more about Mike Abel to coach.

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Speaker 3: He's not going to play much his first four years,

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Speaker 3: then he then he'll go somewhere else and be a starter.

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Speaker 4: Well, I think it's a it's a it's a body

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Speaker 5: You know, yeah, I'm talking about all positions.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, Lina worry, is.

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Speaker 2: Drake may his type of quarterback? If the answers yes

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Speaker 3: I would say that Will Campbell reminds me of Tyler Lawan.

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Speaker 5: I've heard Will Campbell described as a Mike Rabel type

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Speaker 5: about Jawan Bentley just sort of alluding to him having

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Speaker 2: It's a losing weight. Will Campbell seems to have gained

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Speaker 4: I think that was that that's not losing weight.

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Speaker 5: Is it a confusing him with Mason Graham? Yeah, oh man, Yeah,

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Speaker 5: Mason Graham's the one who was under under three hundred at.

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Speaker 4: The Mason Graham Cheesebergers.

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Speaker 2: But with Will camp so since he's had his prota,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so there is a there's a lot of scuttle

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Speaker 2: Measured the arms in half away if they came in

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Speaker 4: So here's the deal. The arm length measurements at the

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Speaker 4: Senior Bowl and at the Shrine Bowl were for some

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Speaker 4: So whoever measured the arm lengths at the combine, they

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Speaker 5: So who would have incentive well to do one or the.

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Speaker 2: Other if the methodology is just no, it could.

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Speaker 5: Be as honest as that. But who would have incentive

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Speaker 5: if there were some something, you know, unto a going

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Speaker 5: on Senior Bowl. People are pumping up their guys.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean that's possible.

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Speaker 5: Combine doesn't care who. I mean, they're all there's three

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Speaker 4: Oh we don't know. But why the point that I

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Speaker 4: think that there's too much inconsistency with the numbers from

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Speaker 2: Comby more of a headache than you obviously can't take

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Speaker 4: You can't take the pro day numbers like.

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Speaker 5: Pro Day Yeah, okay, but a.

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Speaker 2: Forty I can see because you know, if you're doing

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Speaker 3: It was my understanding that there would be not the

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: So the measurements are and it's again it's not consistent

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Speaker 4: whether it's short or or long. Right, Like we're going

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Speaker 4: all over the place. Like some guys came in shorter

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Speaker 3: So where were they measuring from.

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Speaker 4: At this point? And I'm being dead serious at this

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Speaker 4: going to have to host Will Campbell on a thirty

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Speaker 5: Can I just say one thing that I don't want

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Speaker 5: tackle regardless of his the length of his arms, they

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Speaker 5: issue with that. If the Patriots drapped Will Campbell because

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Speaker 5: I'm going to be sick to my stomach that they're

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Speaker 5: just trying to convince themselves that the arms are long enough. Again,

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Speaker 5: if you think that he can play with those what

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Speaker 5: he can do it. I'm okay with that. I'm not

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Speaker 5: okay if they just say, well, the combine's wrong.

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Speaker 4: Well, right, So apparently I think believe it was Greg

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Speaker 4: there that was also put out there by Jim Nagy

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Speaker 2: I can just see like the first scrum that Will

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Speaker 2: Campbell's available, but Guard tiles up next to him and

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Speaker 2: he's got like a measurement and trying to get it

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Speaker 4: I've never all right, I've never seen anything.

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Speaker 5: I agree with everything. I don't ever remember that.

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Speaker 4: I've been falling the draft my my whole life, and

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Speaker 4: I have never seen anything anything like this with the

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Speaker 4: whole topic, Like when it comes to now, all of

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Speaker 2: Experts on Will Campbell, and you knew that you had

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Speaker 2: thirty three inch arms. Would you just have a public

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Speaker 2: demonstration of a measurement and just say, screw all of you.

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Speaker 2: Here it is. If you want me, take me. If

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Speaker 2: you don't, don't.

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Speaker 5: It is funny that such a mundane thing can so

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Speaker 5: grossly impact a guy's future. We're talking like inches, millions

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Speaker 5: of dollars of inches, because going forward, if he's I mean,

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Speaker 5: even if he's a great guard, he won't make what

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Speaker 5: he could make as a great tackle, right, Like, what

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Speaker 5: is it three eighths of an inch or five eighths

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Speaker 5: of an inch or the difference in millions of dollars?

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Speaker 5: I mean, potentially it's.

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Speaker 4: The difference of him being a lock in the top

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Speaker 4: five and not being a lock in Like if he

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Speaker 4: had thirty three plus inch arms, he'd be a locktime.

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Speaker 5: But even if he ends up going in the top ten, Yeah,

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Speaker 5: that won't cost him that much in the in the

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Speaker 5: immediate short term, but down the road, if he's a

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Speaker 5: guard instead of guards make a lot of money too.

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Speaker 5: I'm not we don't need to have a bake sale

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Speaker 5: for will ca Amble. If he turns out to be

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Speaker 5: Quentin Nelson, he's going to make a lot of money

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Speaker 5: whether it's guard or tackle. But left tackles make more

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Speaker 5: than left guards. Yep, and eventually that will be all over,

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Speaker 5: you know, three eighths of an inch. It's it's kind

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Speaker 5: of crazy crazy.

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Speaker 2: So when you watch the tape, Yeah, is it evident

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Speaker 2: that well this guy could use longer arms or is

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Speaker 2: it even not an issue? And if it's not an issue,

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Speaker 2: then why is it an issue? Now?

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Speaker 5: Yes?

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Speaker 4: And no, I think it's a I can't even get

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Speaker 4: So that's offensive line though, right. All it takes is

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Speaker 2: So you know, I think he would be more of

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Speaker 5: Found that he planned a U he gives me.

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Speaker 2: I agree with Fred, the competition's good. So at least

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Speaker 4: Absolutely. I mean there's tape against him against pretty much

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Speaker 2: So if I'm Elliott and I'm Verbel, I'm going to

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Speaker 3: And Doug Marone was there yesterday too.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Doug Maron was there yesterday, was locked in, locked

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Speaker 4: into Ozzie Trapilo's workout. It seems like he he likes him,

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Speaker 2: I don't know if I want to if I take Campbell,

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Speaker 5: Yeah, well we should talk about the mass Live reporting

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Speaker 5: It's more best player available. But I think that that

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Speaker 5: and there are positions that are not conducive to being taken.

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Speaker 5: You know, you don't take the best quarterback available at four, right,

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Speaker 5: Blocky Rears that was a blend that that deuces, you know,

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Speaker 5: make an argument Ashton genty might be the best player available.

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Speaker 5: the best player available. I like the two Georgia guys

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Speaker 5: I like the idea of continuing to fish in that

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Speaker 5: well of Georgia defensive players that almost all of them

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Speaker 5: That's a good defense. And those guys seem ready to

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Speaker 5: play right away. So Williams and Walker. I'd be interested

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Speaker 3: For sure. It's funny how the mock drafts go in waves.

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Speaker 3: I came back from the Combine and felt like no

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Speaker 3: I have a little.

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Speaker 5: Well, everybody's you know, everybody's mock draft has one of

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Speaker 5: those guys to the Patriots.

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Speaker 3: Now, Yeah, which one would you want?

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Speaker 2: Our lads had a mock draft that came out yesterday.

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Speaker 2: They had us taking Abdull Carter at four.

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Speaker 5: I've seen a lot of those, Yeah, GRT today, Buddy

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Speaker 5: Mike Giardi, Boston Sports Journal had Abdua Carter.

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Speaker 2: Oh no, no, wait, wait, made me get it wrong.

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Speaker 2: They had us taking Will Campbell at four and Abdul

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Speaker 4: That's all.

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Speaker 5: I don't see that happening. But I don't see Abdul

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Speaker 5: I've seen a lot of people. Yeah, I don't know

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Speaker 5: you're the Patriots, can I agree?

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Speaker 2: Really any team if you're not picking a quarterback, right,

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Speaker 2: that's the problem.

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Speaker 5: But the first three all could take a quarterback, and

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Speaker 5: I could understand them passing up on one of those

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Speaker 5: You know, Tennessee, Cleveland and the Giants none of them

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Speaker 4: The Titians are drafting camp Woard, right, Yeah, I mean

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Speaker 4: the video is that came from his pro day yesterday

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Speaker 4: I mean they they've spent all a free agency rebuilding

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Speaker 2: I mean, but maybe they want the world to think

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Speaker 4: The King's Ransom, and you know, maybe, I don't know.

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Speaker 4: When you have the number one overall pick like these

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Speaker 4: there's no reason.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I think there's a big difference between

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Speaker 5: Oh, I agree, But that's why I wouldn't take him.

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Speaker 4: Right, I think that the I think it's a done deal.

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Speaker 5: Okay, I hope so I think Evan's right, but I

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Speaker 5: wouldn't take But that.

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Speaker 4: Doesn't mean anything like that because the Patriots still needs

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Speaker 4: to door Sanders to go in the top two. Right,

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Speaker 4: So it's really you know that that's all well and good,

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Speaker 4: But cam Ward's going in the top three. That's a lock.

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Speaker 4: It's if two quarterbacks are going to go in the

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Speaker 2: Is the question somebody was speculating. Is Jalen Milroe moving up?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, maybe the second round, bottom.

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Speaker 2: Of the few.

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Speaker 5: His forty time was special, yeah, and that's a special

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Speaker 5: ability as a running quarterback. I was talking to my

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Speaker 5: out with Rich at a time. You know, I have

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Speaker 5: if you had told me that Jalen Hurts would be

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Speaker 5: as good an NFL passer as he's been, Not that

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Speaker 5: he's a great passer in the NFL, but as good

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Speaker 5: So who's to say that Jalen Milroe can't develop into

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Speaker 5: is obviously special ability to run.

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Speaker 4: Right, he's a stronger arm.

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Speaker 2: If Kyle needed a quarterback right now, who do you

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Speaker 4: Will Howard really something like that? Yeah, I mean I

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Speaker 4: don't know. Maybe he'd like Schador a little bit too.

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Speaker 4: But he's looking for somebody that's gonna press the right

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Speaker 4: button the controller. He's not looking for somebody that colors

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Speaker 4: outside the lines. Okay, you run my system, you know

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Speaker 4: this is my offense. You run my system.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, because it's so easy for the quarterback to make

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Speaker 4: the quarterback to just Jalen Milroe not screwed up. I

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Speaker 4: don't think that would be his type.

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Speaker 2: Note.

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Speaker 5: No, well he just got my he did take Trey Lance. No,

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Speaker 5: you're gonna blame this on that.

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Speaker 4: No, we didn't.

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Speaker 5: Okay, that was that was Paul throwing a grenade. Yeah, okay,

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Speaker 5: I knew that was I knew that was coming. Okay, Paul,

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Speaker 5: see that's scoffing. Look, I knew that was coming.

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Speaker 3: Just going back to that report from Karen, I just

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Speaker 3: I wonder if they got so maniacally focused on receiver

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Speaker 3: glad you focused on those two guys, you know, and

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Speaker 5: So can I ask a question and if you guys

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Speaker 5: at fifteen minutes, and you know I'll end up in

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Speaker 5: the same time. I don't think the problem was the

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Speaker 5: If they had drafted Lad McConkie, would people be saying

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Speaker 5: that's what happens when you draft for need. They needed

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Speaker 5: He took the wrong.

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Speaker 2: One, right, Nobody complained about the position.

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Speaker 5: No, But now it's we had a bad draft because

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Speaker 5: we focus too much. It's an excuse. It's an excuse

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Speaker 5: for a bad draft. They didn't draft just because of

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Speaker 5: need and get the wrong guys. They drafted the wrong guys.

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Speaker 5: There were tackles available that they could have moved up

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Speaker 5: to do it. Okay, take a wide receiver, you also

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Speaker 5: need a wide receiver. You took the wrong one. This

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Speaker 5: isn't about need versus best player available. It's about bad evaluation.

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Speaker 5: That's not the same thing.

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Speaker 2: It's not the same thing.

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Speaker 5: I thought we could get an argument out of that.

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Speaker 2: He's trying to convince us that the urgency to get

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Speaker 5: I think it's an excuse because if they had drafted

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Speaker 5: saying that's what happens when you draft for need. Fred

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Speaker 5: was all over Lad mcconakie a year ahead of.

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Speaker 2: Time, years ago, years ago, child.

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Speaker 5: Right, But I mean he was almost as high on

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Speaker 5: Slade Bolden.

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Speaker 3: Makes me think about Will Campbell though, as Will Campbell

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Speaker 9: Though?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, like that you kind of make that same decision again,

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Speaker 3: I feel.

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Speaker 5: And I would say, if you drafted Will Campbell, that's

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Speaker 5: but if he doesn't, it's not like you picked the

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Speaker 5: wrong tackle. He's the best tackle on the board. Right,

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Speaker 5: everybody agrees that he's the best player at that passion,

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Speaker 2: Right if Tyler Warren, if Mason Graham are on the board,

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Speaker 5: That's a pick for need. I think so, And it

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Speaker 5: doesn't need to be wrong, right, Like I could give

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Speaker 5: you a million examples of the Patriots picking for need

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Speaker 4: So why is it a pick for need? Like I

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Speaker 5: Could you could make that and I wouldn't, but you could.

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Speaker 4: In this draft. I think that you could.

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Speaker 2: But you need to isolate it because a lot of

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Speaker 2: picking fourth. You need to just say, if Hunt, if

442
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Speaker 2: Carter and Hunter, uh what's his name? Hunter are off

443
00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:52,880
Speaker 2: the board, who's the best player, who's the third best

444
00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:53,880
Speaker 2: player in this draft?

445
00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:56,600
Speaker 4: Well most people would say gent okay, But like the

446
00:20:56,640 --> 00:20:57,720
Speaker 4: point is that.

447
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Speaker 5: That's that's but Evan's point is you could ask ten

448
00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:02,879
Speaker 5: people that question and get eight different answers.

449
00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:04,640
Speaker 2: I know, but it is Will Campbell one of those

450
00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:07,880
Speaker 2: eight in Yeah, probably Will Campbell's That's what I'm trying

451
00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:12,520
Speaker 2: to Mason Graham, Ted McMillan, you know, Tyler Warren, the

452
00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:13,600
Speaker 2: two Georgia guys.

453
00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:16,240
Speaker 4: If anybody said any of those guys were the next

454
00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:19,439
Speaker 4: best player in the draft, I wouldn't necessarily argue with them.

455
00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:23,080
Speaker 5: That's why I don't. I think when people say that's

456
00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:25,880
Speaker 5: what happens when teams draft for need, it's always a negative.

457
00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:28,280
Speaker 5: And I don't think it's a negative all the time.

458
00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:31,480
Speaker 5: I think it always comes down to evaluation. You need

459
00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:34,600
Speaker 5: to get good players, if you know, I think a

460
00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:37,679
Speaker 5: pick that you could argue was a bad pick based

461
00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:41,399
Speaker 5: on need was Cole Strange for Bill Belichick. They needed

462
00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:43,720
Speaker 5: a guard, and you reach for a guard in the

463
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Speaker 5: first round. It's a position that's not generally taken in

464
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Speaker 5: the first round. And it was a guy, and it

465
00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:51,840
Speaker 5: was a guy that wasn't really slated to go in

466
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Speaker 5: the first round.

467
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Speaker 2: There's no doubt they needed it.

468
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Speaker 5: But i'll give you, you know, go back several years,

469
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Speaker 5: go back twenty plus years. They could not stop the

470
00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:02,480
Speaker 5: in two thousand and two. It ultimately was the reason

471
00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:05,320
Speaker 5: why they couldn't go back to back. They could not

472
00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:08,320
Speaker 5: stop anybody from running the ball. They needed to get

473
00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:11,439
Speaker 5: some bulk up front. They draft Ty Warren. That is

474
00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:16,040
Speaker 5: a need pick. It's a good pick because you needed it,

475
00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:18,840
Speaker 5: and he was a good player. If he ended up

476
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Speaker 5: being a defensive lineman like Dominic Easley, Ron Brace, Ron

477
00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:26,040
Speaker 5: Brace is a better compet because he's more of a

478
00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:29,960
Speaker 5: run stuffing defensive lineman who wasn't all that good. Then

479
00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:33,359
Speaker 5: everybody's saying, well, that's what happens when you know, it's

480
00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:37,919
Speaker 5: all about evaluation regardless of the positions you take. And

481
00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:40,080
Speaker 5: I just feel like we get lost in.

482
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Speaker 2: The Harry the position was fine.

483
00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:48,920
Speaker 5: If they had drafted DK Metcalf or Terry McLaurin or

484
00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:53,880
Speaker 5: AJ Brown, any of those wide receivers that were far

485
00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:56,120
Speaker 5: better than him. After that, no one would have said,

486
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Speaker 5: that's what happens when your draft for need.

487
00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:01,080
Speaker 3: Vega's position with this is quiquarterback. Though to me, we're

488
00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:02,240
Speaker 3: talking about cam Ward.

489
00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:05,119
Speaker 7: Is he the best player available at one overall? And

490
00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:05,719
Speaker 7: that's a position.

491
00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:09,240
Speaker 5: Quarterback is the exception. Right quarterback is the exception that

492
00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:13,640
Speaker 5: when you almost always when you take a quarterback, it's

493
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Speaker 5: a pick.

494
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Speaker 4: I just feel like this is like, you know, this

495
00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:20,679
Speaker 4: gets back to you have to have a role that

496
00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:22,960
Speaker 4: you envision for a player when you take four over

497
00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:25,480
Speaker 4: a guy four overall, that he's going to be able

498
00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:29,399
Speaker 4: to blossom into a franchise cornerstone type player with a

499
00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:32,600
Speaker 4: pick that high. And if you have guys that are

500
00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:35,960
Speaker 4: already you know, talk about tight end with Tyler Warren.

501
00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:38,840
Speaker 4: Is Tyler Warren a better tight end than Hunter Henry?

502
00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:42,080
Speaker 4: He might be, but they have players that are veteran

503
00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:45,600
Speaker 4: players ahead of him on that depth chart that now

504
00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:47,640
Speaker 4: all of a sudden, that becomes a very crowded room.

505
00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:49,520
Speaker 4: And how do you sort those types of things out.

506
00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:52,960
Speaker 4: So I think that people misconstrue that as need but

507
00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:55,439
Speaker 4: to me, it's what's the vision of the player? How

508
00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:57,400
Speaker 4: does he fit into the football team?

509
00:23:57,640 --> 00:24:00,440
Speaker 2: You know, how does And that was very prevalent during

510
00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:03,440
Speaker 2: the Belichick years because, let's face it, they had a

511
00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:07,000
Speaker 2: lot of really good veterans knew how to win fit

512
00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:09,399
Speaker 2: with what Belichick wanted to do, and so a lot

513
00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:12,320
Speaker 2: of his picks were based on that, Like, I could

514
00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:13,960
Speaker 2: pick him, but he's not going to make the team anyway,

515
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:15,960
Speaker 2: so I might as well just go get this guy.

516
00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:18,960
Speaker 2: I think you saw a lot of that during Belichick's years.

517
00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:21,800
Speaker 4: You just don't want to have redundancies across the roster.

518
00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:23,800
Speaker 4: Like if you take Mason Graham, he might be the

519
00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:26,760
Speaker 4: best player available, but now you have two two hundred

520
00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:29,920
Speaker 4: and ninety five pound interior rushers, and so how are

521
00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:32,239
Speaker 4: you going to play Mason Graham and Milton Williams off

522
00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:34,480
Speaker 4: of each other on first and second down? And does

523
00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:36,680
Speaker 4: that mean that Mason Graham isn't going to play as much?

524
00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:39,080
Speaker 4: So now that you wasted the fourth overall pick on

525
00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:41,840
Speaker 4: a rotational pass rusher, like that's not what you want

526
00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:43,879
Speaker 4: out of that pick either, So you just have to

527
00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:46,199
Speaker 4: have a plan of how are we going to use

528
00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:49,399
Speaker 4: this player in a high volume capacity that's going to

529
00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:50,600
Speaker 4: get the most out of the pick.

530
00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:53,960
Speaker 2: You have to stack your board vertically and vertically.

531
00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:56,919
Speaker 4: Yes, because it's just easier to talk about this.

532
00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:59,119
Speaker 5: This part of the draft I could talk about forever,

533
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:04,480
Speaker 5: just sort of trying to weigh the pros and cons

534
00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:09,600
Speaker 5: of concepts as opposed to thirty three or thirty two

535
00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:14,040
Speaker 5: inch arms. You know what I mean, what benefits you

536
00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:16,480
Speaker 5: the most both in the short and long term, and.

537
00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:19,720
Speaker 2: Bill long benefits us.

538
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:22,199
Speaker 5: The right to your point, Bill often drafted with the

539
00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:25,959
Speaker 5: long term in mind. You know, we have you know,

540
00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:29,880
Speaker 5: Keith Trayler replacing Ted Washington at nose tackle. We don't

541
00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:32,240
Speaker 5: have an immediate need there, but Vince Wilfork is available

542
00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:34,399
Speaker 5: at twenty one. Long term, that's going to be a

543
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:37,399
Speaker 5: really good pick for us. Right, they didn't have to

544
00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:42,119
Speaker 5: have that at the time, but recognition of the talent

545
00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:45,359
Speaker 5: and you could afford to do that the spot that

546
00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:47,119
Speaker 5: you're in, Right, that's how you draft a guy like

547
00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:48,800
Speaker 5: Gronk in the second round. There's a lot of teams

548
00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:50,480
Speaker 5: in the league that would not be able to make

549
00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:52,560
Speaker 5: that pick. A guy who did not play at all

550
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:56,080
Speaker 5: is last year at Arizona. If you're like Joe Shane

551
00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:58,520
Speaker 5: and Brian Dable right now, you can't make that pick.

552
00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:02,000
Speaker 5: You can't because you can't make that risk. Then you're

553
00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:03,480
Speaker 5: going to draft a guy and get nothing out of

554
00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:04,280
Speaker 5: him his rookie year.

555
00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:06,919
Speaker 3: He can barely draft Sanders right now. Right with the

556
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:07,720
Speaker 3: hot seat, there.

557
00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:09,680
Speaker 5: Are so there's a lot of I could talk about

558
00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:11,800
Speaker 5: that kind of aspect of the draft forever. That's what

559
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:14,200
Speaker 5: I like about the first round draft show the most,

560
00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:17,879
Speaker 5: is sort of identifying what the teams might be thinking.

561
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:20,280
Speaker 3: I find myself going back though, thinking about Bill's old

562
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:23,440
Speaker 3: scouting methods, which you know, I know Elliott Will said

563
00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:26,080
Speaker 3: they changed last year, have been in process of changing,

564
00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:29,320
Speaker 3: but I remember Bill's scouting system was very specific to

565
00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:31,760
Speaker 3: the team and how the player would fit in and

566
00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:34,560
Speaker 3: exactly what role they would pill and what and how

567
00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:37,080
Speaker 3: they would stack up, which to me sounds like common

568
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:38,840
Speaker 3: sense way to approach it. But I know that there

569
00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:40,439
Speaker 3: are different ways to do it, and I'm.

570
00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:42,080
Speaker 5: And somehow that's been deemed to be a negative.

571
00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:42,879
Speaker 10: I agree.

572
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:45,840
Speaker 3: You know, what do you get getting away from that?

573
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:46,879
Speaker 3: What are you getting to like?

574
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:48,000
Speaker 7: How are you reevaluate?

575
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:49,600
Speaker 3: I think you'd want to get to a place where

576
00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:51,840
Speaker 3: you're not really thinking about the need anymore.

577
00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:53,760
Speaker 2: What you think?

578
00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:58,520
Speaker 5: I like the way Mike is talking there and going

579
00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:00,880
Speaker 5: back to what Evan. You know, we led the show

580
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:03,199
Speaker 5: up when everyone was explaining to me about the different

581
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:08,760
Speaker 5: linebackers that Rabel might necessarily gravitate to it. Right, doesn't

582
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:11,679
Speaker 5: that make sense that, well, I don't need a Brandon

583
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:14,680
Speaker 5: Spikes kind of guy because Rabel doesn't really want those

584
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:18,600
Speaker 5: kinds of guys. Isn't that like the essence of scouting

585
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 5: for a team? Right?

586
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:22,000
Speaker 4: And you'd also you don't want to give Brandon Spikes

587
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:24,520
Speaker 4: to a coach that doesn't want to coach him.

588
00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:27,840
Speaker 2: The way that gets to the whole conversation of whoever

589
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:32,320
Speaker 2: the GM is knowing what the coach wants and scouting

590
00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:34,600
Speaker 2: toward you know what he.

591
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:37,040
Speaker 4: Wants, right, And that's why you know to go back

592
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:40,600
Speaker 4: to the best player available thing. All thirty two teams

593
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:43,960
Speaker 4: have different boards because they're looking for different things. They're

594
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 4: looking for different skill sets, they're looking for different scheme

595
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:50,320
Speaker 4: fits and different types of you know, attitudes and things

596
00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:52,560
Speaker 4: like that. So you can sit there and say that

597
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:56,720
Speaker 4: you think in a vacuum that Mason Graham is a

598
00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:59,320
Speaker 4: better player than Will Campbell, or Will Campbell's a better

599
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:03,239
Speaker 4: player or whatever. But it's very team specific when you

600
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:05,720
Speaker 4: really get down to it. So you can't give Josh

601
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:09,439
Speaker 4: McDaniels a receiver that doesn't fit the offense that he

602
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:13,639
Speaker 4: wants to run. Now, if it's Calvin Johnson, he fits

603
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:16,959
Speaker 4: every offense. But when we're talking about, you know, the

604
00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:20,359
Speaker 4: rudimentary receivers, you have to give him guys that he

605
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:22,680
Speaker 4: is going to be able to unlock and use properly.

606
00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:26,200
Speaker 4: So when I just don't think that best player available

607
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:29,919
Speaker 4: is kind of a myth because it depends on the

608
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:31,760
Speaker 4: you know, the beauty is in the behind eye of

609
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:32,360
Speaker 4: the beholder.

610
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:35,080
Speaker 5: Well you can also say, no matter who you pick, well,

611
00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 5: he was the best player in my eyes.

612
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:39,920
Speaker 2: Right right right, doing what's in the best interest of

613
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:40,160
Speaker 2: the team.

614
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:42,280
Speaker 5: And when you go to the whole system thing, and

615
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:45,520
Speaker 5: I agree with Evan again on that, you know, there's

616
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:48,000
Speaker 5: certain guys that might fit better in certain systems. Now,

617
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:51,400
Speaker 5: I think it's smart to go in that direction, but

618
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:55,080
Speaker 5: it's also important, you know, and I think it's worthy

619
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:59,480
Speaker 5: of criticism if like Bill Belichick's sort of at the end,

620
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:02,640
Speaker 5: I think was kind of so set in his ways

621
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:06,480
Speaker 5: that he was unbending to change the system, especially defensively,

622
00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:09,360
Speaker 5: that he was only interested in a certain amount of

623
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:11,760
Speaker 5: guys and they were becoming harder and harder to identify

624
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:15,680
Speaker 5: and find and put into, you know, put into his system.

625
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 5: So you can make a criticism, like to use Evans

626
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:22,640
Speaker 5: example of Josh's type of receiver, You can criticize Josh

627
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:25,520
Speaker 5: for saying, well, yeah, if you had Calvin Johnson, you

628
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:27,320
Speaker 5: should be able to find a way, even though he's

629
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:29,680
Speaker 5: not really you'll kind of receive it out. You should

630
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:31,480
Speaker 5: be able to identify the talent and be able to

631
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:34,520
Speaker 5: work it. If your system is so unbending that it

632
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:36,719
Speaker 5: doesn't utilize.

633
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:38,200
Speaker 2: Then the problems your system correct the player.

634
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:43,040
Speaker 5: That's a fair criticism, But I think teams should absolutely

635
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:46,920
Speaker 5: stack boards with their type of player in mind, sure

636
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 5: that they think fits best in their system. Penetrating defensive

637
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:54,440
Speaker 5: lineman now evidently as opposed to two gapping run stuffers.

638
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:56,960
Speaker 4: Right, do you want to tackle that's better in a

639
00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:59,360
Speaker 4: downhill run scheme? Do you want his own blocking tackle?

640
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:01,480
Speaker 4: Do you want running back that's going to be in

641
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:03,880
Speaker 4: a spread offense. Do you want a battering ram running back?

642
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:04,000
Speaker 11: Like?

643
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:04,520
Speaker 12: It?

644
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:07,000
Speaker 4: Just all across the board, just depends on what you're

645
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:08,840
Speaker 4: trying to accomplish as a team.

646
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 2: Another thing I want to bring up, and I'm seeing

647
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:15,000
Speaker 2: on one of Paul's shows, they're talking about this thing

648
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:18,560
Speaker 2: Brady came out with yesterday about why he left the

649
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:22,600
Speaker 2: Patriots and that the split between him and Belichick was inevitable.

650
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:24,160
Speaker 2: What did you think about that?

651
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 3: I didn't actually get to see it that I was

652
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:28,360
Speaker 3: just catching up here on I didn't rate it. No,

653
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:29,200
Speaker 3: I didn't see it yesterday.

654
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:31,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, I saw it, Fred, Yeah, I did show Prepp.

655
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:33,520
Speaker 3: You're doing your show prep with your brother. You talked

656
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:33,880
Speaker 3: about it.

657
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 5: I didn't do that. That didn't come up in show prep.

658
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:37,440
Speaker 5: That was this morning. I didn't see that. Yeah, he

659
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:39,120
Speaker 5: was talking about that the Twitter machine.

660
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:41,000
Speaker 2: It was really two part A little it was why

661
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Speaker 2: he left and why he picked Tampa Bay. But the

662
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Speaker 2: first part I thought was the most interesting to me

663
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Speaker 2: is he was saying that I had to leave. I

664
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Speaker 2: had to leave, that we had grown so far apart

665
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:56,680
Speaker 2: he and Belichick, that it was just inevitable.

666
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Speaker 5: I had to go the last two or three years.

667
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was kind of I just thought that was

668
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Speaker 2: curious that he's coming out with that five year anniversaries.

669
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Speaker 5: So I think it's really curious. Yes, I think it's

670
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:12,800
Speaker 5: really curious that he seems to continue these kinds of

671
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 5: things unprovoked. Yeah, and I wonder why, I mean, is

672
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Speaker 5: he I don't know. I also thought he had this

673
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:24,440
Speaker 5: whole thing of he ranked about twenty different things, and

674
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:27,040
Speaker 5: you know about why he left the scale to one

675
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 5: to three of you know, the pros and cons of

676
00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 5: staying and going and you know, practice weather was important,

677
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:38,120
Speaker 5: game weather was important. He had those separated. You know,

678
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:40,960
Speaker 5: the game weather was only a two, but practice weather

679
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:44,640
Speaker 5: is a three. Targets you know, the weapons that he had,

680
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:47,880
Speaker 5: you know, with with Evans and Godwin, he considered that

681
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:52,160
Speaker 5: a three. Arians he considered the three, you know, even

682
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:55,560
Speaker 5: though he ended up coaching the team. But this is

683
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Speaker 5: where you know, and the Tom Brady's like, you know,

684
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Speaker 5: I'm not like my I don't have this deep sort

685
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Speaker 5: of under underlying, you know, lack of appreciation for Tom Brady. Money.

686
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Speaker 2: Yeah, money wasn't.

687
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Speaker 5: Money wasn't. Money wasn't that wasn't really in the top ten.

688
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:18,800
Speaker 2: That is such bold, That is such bold that that's

689
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Speaker 2: kind of what started why he wanted to leave here.

690
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Speaker 5: He correct, he was being respect wasn't appreciated. Why people

691
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 5: like Mike push him out of town?

692
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:27,080
Speaker 2: Right?

693
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Speaker 5: Mike, you didn't you get the same impression when you

694
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Speaker 5: read that, like, oh, money wasn't money wasn't important? Really, Tom,

695
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 5: go ask mister Go ask mister Kraft.

696
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 2: He'll clarify and he'll say, well, the money wasn't important

697
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:43,880
Speaker 2: to where I was going. But come on, if it

698
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:45,840
Speaker 2: was important here, why wouldn't it be important?

699
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Speaker 5: So it was important, And I'm not blaming him for

700
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:50,160
Speaker 5: it being important. I'm blaming him for not admitting it

701
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Speaker 5: was important.

702
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 4: Are we going to be like twenty years from now

703
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:55,080
Speaker 4: and we're still doing like and have Brady talking about

704
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:57,480
Speaker 4: him leaving the Patriots? How many more times do we

705
00:32:57,480 --> 00:32:57,760
Speaker 4: have to do?

706
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Speaker 5: But I think Brady's doing this.

707
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Speaker 4: I'm not blaming anybody.

708
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Speaker 3: You keep bringing it up.

709
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 4: I have no interest, but.

710
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Speaker 5: I would just I kind of would Evan on this,

711
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:10,360
Speaker 5: But I don't really understand. Is he that needy that

712
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 5: he needs to like sort of inject himself into the

713
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:16,160
Speaker 5: limelight at all times? It's weird to me, And that

714
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:17,120
Speaker 5: was weird there.

715
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 4: I'm just going like I kind of know the story,

716
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:22,440
Speaker 4: like we we've heard it, we know, we get it.

717
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:25,120
Speaker 4: It's been five years wounds, so you can move.

718
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 5: I don't have any of that. I just find it

719
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Speaker 5: odd that he continues to talk about himself that way.

720
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, all right, I just thought i'd bring that up. Okay,

721
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Speaker 2: anything else the listeners a little quiet?

722
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Speaker 4: It a cool day yesterday BC. Yeah, is at Boston

723
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Speaker 4: College yesterday. Patriots Palooza is what I would call it.

724
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Speaker 4: That Mike Rabel was there, Elliot Wolf, Ryan Cowed and

725
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 4: how many other teams all thirty two teams are represented?

726
00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:00,520
Speaker 4: Oh really yeah not Brable was the only head coach.

727
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:04,360
Speaker 4: But you know, some cool moments with Bill O'Brien and

728
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:07,720
Speaker 4: obviously with Rabel being tight with him and Maron too.

729
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:08,920
Speaker 4: Maroon's really tight.

730
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Speaker 2: With other teams. Who was the big attraction?

731
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Speaker 4: Well, Aserko didn't do anything, So I would say the

732
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 4: alignment Trapillo and Kendel their centers, Draftable center as well.

733
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 4: So yeah, the Donovan Azeruku, who's their pass rusher, is

734
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 4: going to go first round?

735
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Speaker 2: Uh?

736
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Speaker 4: He he did the Senior Bowl, he did the combine,

737
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Speaker 4: so he just he just sat out the Day. But

738
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Speaker 4: I thought what O'Brien said was interesting was a lot

739
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Speaker 4: of the the reason why teams come to things like

740
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Speaker 4: pro days is actually what happens before and after the

741
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:44,719
Speaker 4: Pro Day. They take them out to dinner, you know,

742
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 4: they they kind of get him in a social setting,

743
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:48,960
Speaker 4: see what the kid's all about, that sort of thing.

744
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:52,400
Speaker 4: So I wouldn't be surprised if you know, Azeruko had

745
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 4: a lot of meetings with teams even though he didn't

746
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:57,799
Speaker 4: work out at the Pro Day. But how many teams

747
00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 4: would you say with the all thirty two were repres okay,

748
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 4: but you know sometimes you just sent scouts, you know,

749
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Speaker 4: not necessarily gms.

750
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Speaker 2: But that's good for BC.

751
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:08,359
Speaker 5: Yeah, and it was good.

752
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:13,239
Speaker 4: I think this connection between the BC and the Patriots,

753
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:15,440
Speaker 4: now that Rabel and O'Brien are the two head coaches,

754
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:17,640
Speaker 4: I don't think this is going away. I think this

755
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:19,880
Speaker 4: will be something that they'll they'll do a lot of

756
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:23,440
Speaker 4: Rabel talked to the team, address the team before the

757
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Speaker 4: Pro Day began on Monday morning.

758
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:26,279
Speaker 2: So when you went to the.

759
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Speaker 3: Z Flowers one a couple of years ago, BC, how

760
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:29,040
Speaker 3: different was it this year?

761
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 4: I'd say there's more people this year, certainly more media

762
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:37,800
Speaker 4: covering it, but it was a little bit more people

763
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Speaker 4: this year, which I found surprising because it's a wide

764
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:43,000
Speaker 4: receiver and you know, usually there's some value to watching

765
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,480
Speaker 4: those guys run routes in person and things like that.

766
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Speaker 4: But you know, just in comparison, when I went to

767
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 4: for Day Flowers, the highest ranking person for the Patriots

768
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:56,120
Speaker 4: was Cameron Williams, the college scouting director. This one, all

769
00:35:56,160 --> 00:36:01,440
Speaker 4: three top decision makers were were in attendance, so they

770
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 4: definitely tried to show it. I think a little bit

771
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Speaker 4: for O'Brien, I think they'd try to do him a

772
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:08,239
Speaker 4: solid as well. But it was cool.

773
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Speaker 3: It was interesting the instadrat to me, I went to

774
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:15,760
Speaker 3: the Holy Cross one smaller, but those low level scouts

775
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:19,120
Speaker 3: from other teams, just what a grind it is for them.

776
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:21,359
Speaker 3: It seems like they are just doing this like pro

777
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:26,439
Speaker 3: day to pro day timing, measuring, setting up stuff, taking

778
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 3: stuff down. It's just you got a little glimpse into

779
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:31,279
Speaker 3: the grind of you know, we kind of sit up

780
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:33,600
Speaker 3: in our ivory tower or you are scouting and you know,

781
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:34,879
Speaker 3: but like it's like you don't have to go out

782
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 3: to some random school in the middle of nowhere and

783
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:41,720
Speaker 3: time fifteen guys, fourteen of whom probably have no chance

784
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:42,680
Speaker 3: of even making it now.

785
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 5: Were there any other prospects there yesterday other than BC players.

786
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:48,879
Speaker 4: Yeah, there are some local guys that were there, and

787
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 4: they're a quarterback who is gonna be draft eligible. I

788
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:57,640
Speaker 4: believe next year. He threw to the receivers, which happens

789
00:36:57,640 --> 00:36:59,719
Speaker 4: a lot, so they it's kind of like an early

790
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:02,440
Speaker 4: show case for him, and he threw pretty well. I

791
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 4: have to say, I think he's in a quarterback competition

792
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:07,960
Speaker 4: right now at the kid that transferred from Alabama, but

793
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:10,840
Speaker 4: it sounds like he's gonna win it, and he can

794
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:11,799
Speaker 4: he can spin it.

795
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:14,120
Speaker 5: A little bit interesting to see what BC does next year,

796
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 5: you know, year or two of O'Bryan. They get their

797
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:20,440
Speaker 5: program in, get their kind of some of their kind

798
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 5: of personnel, and especially the sill last year, yeah they did,

799
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:26,080
Speaker 5: they had, I mean, they had a pretty good quarterback problem.

800
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:28,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, but the quarterback last year was more of like

801
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:29,520
Speaker 4: a dual threat as a runner.

802
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:30,200
Speaker 5: He was a runner.

803
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 4: This kid can throw it, Yeah, he can throw it

804
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:32,720
Speaker 4: from the pocket.

805
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:36,400
Speaker 2: So okay, all right, let's get to the phones. The

806
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:39,200
Speaker 2: hot line is eight five to five pasts five hundred

807
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 2: we'll go to Randy in Providence. What's up Randy here?

808
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 2: You guys, how's it going good.

809
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:49,560
Speaker 11: I just wanted a couple of, like, I guess comments,

810
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 11: slash questions drafts related and then kind of get you guys'

811
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:56,840
Speaker 11: reactions and answers afterwards. You guys were talking about the

812
00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 11: length concerns with Campbell, and I felt like you were

813
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:01,880
Speaker 11: kind of like almost pulling it, like like quarters of

814
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:04,239
Speaker 11: an inch and so forth. And I think, you know,

815
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:07,399
Speaker 11: recently we saw that again in the Super Bowl where

816
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 11: it's you know, Joe Touney is just getting dominated a

817
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 11: left tackle because he's not a left tackle because of

818
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:15,920
Speaker 11: the length concerns. And I do think throughout the season

819
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 11: there are a number of scouts posting and like discord

820
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:22,359
Speaker 11: groups and a couple on YouTube channels of their own

821
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:25,760
Speaker 11: that we're concerned about Will Campbell's length and his ability

822
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 11: to deal with faster edge rushers due to those length concerns.

823
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:33,800
Speaker 11: Similar Calvin Banks junior, they had a footwear concerns about

824
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 11: whether he'd be a better guard or tackle. And then,

825
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:39,759
Speaker 11: like you guys were talking about the receivers for us

826
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:42,000
Speaker 11: last year, I think a really good argument could be

827
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:46,120
Speaker 11: made is it bad evaluation or bad development? You know,

828
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:49,560
Speaker 11: giving experience of the coaching staff overall.

829
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Speaker 5: I would say both only because the guys that have

830
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:55,720
Speaker 5: left here have not gone on, you know, Nikhil Harry

831
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:57,200
Speaker 5: has not blossomed elsewhere.

832
00:38:57,400 --> 00:38:59,719
Speaker 11: Yeah, as an example, I mean just just specific to

833
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:02,560
Speaker 11: the guy last year, like Pok and Baker specifically, like

834
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:04,840
Speaker 11: are we out on them because they were bad picks

835
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:09,160
Speaker 11: or were they not developed properly? But I think the

836
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:12,239
Speaker 11: wide receiver class is like very similar to the twenty

837
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:14,799
Speaker 11: nineteen wide receiver class, where it's like it's not a

838
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:16,719
Speaker 11: lot of great talent at the top, and there's a

839
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:19,160
Speaker 11: lot of good guys in the second third round that

840
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:21,759
Speaker 11: you could get. And I wonder what do you think

841
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:24,640
Speaker 11: specifically about a guy like Jalen Lane who's got all

842
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 11: those physical tools and he's kind of got a better

843
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:30,840
Speaker 11: catch radius, bigger hands than guys like Kyle Williams or

844
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:35,560
Speaker 11: Janalen Knowle and then maybe they get out of Miami. Ristreppa,

845
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:38,440
Speaker 11: do you think he fell into Day three after running

846
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:41,279
Speaker 11: that four eight three yesterday? And do you think that's

847
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:44,600
Speaker 11: good for us in getting someone who could maybe fill

848
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:47,480
Speaker 11: that role in like the fourth fifth round? And then

849
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 11: I wanted to know if you thought pretty safety was

850
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:53,280
Speaker 11: a sneaky knee for us, maybe someone specifically like Andrew mccoubaugh.

851
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:57,279
Speaker 11: Mike Rabel's defenses in Tennessee always had kind of ball

852
00:39:57,320 --> 00:40:01,040
Speaker 11: hawking Kevin Byern safety, And I don't know if we

853
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:03,480
Speaker 11: have that guy right now. So that's it.

854
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:06,879
Speaker 2: Thanks Randy lot to digest there.

855
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:10,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, was like a four steven four eight four eight

856
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:11,080
Speaker 3: three four eight three.

857
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:14,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, so they armand member would beat him.

858
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:17,840
Speaker 3: Put it to you that way, jeez, it's crazy.

859
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:20,319
Speaker 5: Yeah, there was a lot of stuff that was really

860
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:22,880
Speaker 5: good in that call. So I don't want this one comment,

861
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 5: and this is not directed, was it Randy? Yeah, because

862
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:29,359
Speaker 5: he was he was really good with that call. Only

863
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:31,840
Speaker 5: Patriots fans could look at a wide receiver running a

864
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:35,480
Speaker 5: four eight as a positive for the Patriots, only Patriots fans.

865
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Speaker 5: Is this good because now he drops lower in the

866
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Speaker 5: draft and we can get or is it bad that

867
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:42,560
Speaker 5: he ran a four to eight three coming into the league,

868
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Speaker 5: So that means like in two years he's running like

869
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Speaker 5: a five second forty.

870
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Speaker 3: Right.

871
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:47,120
Speaker 4: Yeah.

872
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:51,160
Speaker 5: You don't get faster generally unless you're like the learning

873
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:52,840
Speaker 5: nutrition at the NFL level.

874
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:56,880
Speaker 4: I wanted to like Ristrepo at the Senior Bowl. I

875
00:40:56,920 --> 00:40:58,480
Speaker 4: went into it being like, this is going to be

876
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:01,879
Speaker 4: everybody does, oh WelCom in slot, and that poor kid

877
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:05,400
Speaker 4: tried to separate on slot fades all week long and

878
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:08,040
Speaker 4: just could not stack or like he couldn't run by anybody.

879
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:10,360
Speaker 4: I was like, this is gonna be one of the

880
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:13,280
Speaker 4: this is not. You know, he's a one level receiver.

881
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:16,120
Speaker 4: You know he's gonna be quick hitters underneath. He can

882
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:18,640
Speaker 4: run with the football after the catch, He's got good instincts,

883
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 4: good feel for zone coverage, all that andy.

884
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:22,920
Speaker 5: I don't want to make it sound like that. I

885
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:26,440
Speaker 5: would say, oh, don't waste your time. You take a

886
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:29,040
Speaker 5: flyer on him late round six, seventh round, whatever, and

887
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:31,840
Speaker 5: you get him. I saw his college production. I know

888
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 5: what he's done at Miami. He's been a good player

889
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:36,840
Speaker 5: for them for a couple of years. So I wouldn't

890
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:39,759
Speaker 5: say I'm out on him. I'm just saying I'm not

891
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:44,839
Speaker 5: like longing for a slow slot receiver. I think this

892
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:47,359
Speaker 5: team needs playmakers. If he comes in, he's just one

893
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:49,359
Speaker 5: of those guys. He's a football player. It doesn't matter

894
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:50,400
Speaker 5: what his time speed is.

895
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:54,240
Speaker 4: Fine, what was his cam and all his short shuttle

896
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:56,640
Speaker 4: also wasn't good well, So he just he just did

897
00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 4: not test very He was a very.

898
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:00,680
Speaker 5: Productive player at Miami, and I'm not dismissed with the

899
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:03,680
Speaker 5: actual tape shows he caught a lot of passes for Miami.

900
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:05,920
Speaker 5: And it wasn't just with cam Wood last year. He

901
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:10,200
Speaker 5: was like that with quarterback issues prior to that at Miami.

902
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:15,920
Speaker 2: All right, Alex is in DC. Hey, Alex, hey good?

903
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:16,560
Speaker 13: What are you doing?

904
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:17,279
Speaker 2: Good?

905
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 11: Good?

906
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:21,200
Speaker 13: So I had some questions around thirty visits.

907
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:26,080
Speaker 2: Okay, sorry you guys for a second.

908
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 13: Questions about thirty visits? What actually happens during a thirty visit?

909
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:32,959
Speaker 13: Do you think Rabe'll be using them differently this year?

910
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:36,040
Speaker 13: And why haven't more been reported for the past?

911
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:42,240
Speaker 2: I think? Now, don't aren't these all public knowledge? Doesn't

912
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 2: the league publish thirty visits? No?

913
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:47,399
Speaker 4: No, Now, I would say the main thing with all

914
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:50,880
Speaker 4: these things is getting to know the player. Rock fell asleep,

915
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:54,520
Speaker 4: So you're really I mean, there are some football aspects.

916
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:57,719
Speaker 4: They'll put them in the classroom and quiz them on

917
00:42:57,840 --> 00:42:59,719
Speaker 4: their side of the ball and have the coaches come

918
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 4: in and put them through a test like that. There

919
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:05,759
Speaker 4: might be an on field you know, workout that goes on.

920
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:08,080
Speaker 4: But I would say mainly you're trying to get to

921
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:11,920
Speaker 4: know the player a little bit better, his personality, his temperament,

922
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:14,879
Speaker 4: the type of kid he is, you know, that court

923
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:18,279
Speaker 4: sort of thing. And then as always, medicals like medicals

924
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:21,359
Speaker 4: are massive. You get them in the facility, you get

925
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:25,480
Speaker 4: your own doctors, you get them, put them through medical testing.

926
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:25,960
Speaker 2: You know.

927
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:28,960
Speaker 4: So a lot of thirty visits are related to this

928
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:31,960
Speaker 4: player has an injury, and he's coming off an injury

929
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 4: or had a prior injury in college that was severe,

930
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:37,799
Speaker 4: and so they wanted this kid towards a cl two

931
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:39,520
Speaker 4: years ago, and they want to check out his knee

932
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 4: and make sure that his knee is in good show.

933
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:44,399
Speaker 5: A good question though, that we haven't heard about any Yeah,

934
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 5: I've heard about a.

935
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 4: Couple of them, couple of running couples, and Ursery is

936
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:51,680
Speaker 4: coming in for one. Reportedly a couple running backs still

937
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:56,120
Speaker 4: and Samson oli Gordon are out there, But I haven't.

938
00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:58,279
Speaker 5: I haven't seen much. I'm with Alex, I must have

939
00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:01,640
Speaker 5: missed some of that. Maybe it was during my tournament

940
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:02,239
Speaker 5: blackout here.

941
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:05,120
Speaker 4: We also have to remember the big college pro days

942
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:08,920
Speaker 4: still haven't happened yet or happening this week. So usually

943
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:11,680
Speaker 4: those players don't go on visits until after their par.

944
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:15,279
Speaker 2: Every team must have to tell the league who they're

945
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:19,799
Speaker 2: having visit because you're only allowed thirty yep. So I

946
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:22,000
Speaker 2: wonder if that that information's out there.

947
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:25,480
Speaker 5: And that doesn't include the local guys, right right? I

948
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:27,839
Speaker 5: don't you get free ones with those? Yeah?

949
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:29,800
Speaker 4: I don't think that they usually get to all thirty,

950
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:31,800
Speaker 4: Like I don't think. I don't think. I think thirty

951
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:34,480
Speaker 4: is a lot. And I you know, we've we've kind

952
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:37,040
Speaker 4: of taken away top thirty too, because it's not really

953
00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:40,120
Speaker 4: the top thirty players. It's usually players all across the draft.

954
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:43,359
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, this day two and Day three guys visit

955
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:44,080
Speaker 5: with two Just.

956
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:47,200
Speaker 3: A question how you allocate those and guys you have

957
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:49,120
Speaker 3: big questions on like we really feel like we need

958
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:51,640
Speaker 3: to get But I was like the stories where they

959
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:53,600
Speaker 3: didn't talk to me. I didn't even meet them, right,

960
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:55,840
Speaker 3: they just like my film when they drafted me. Those

961
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:58,279
Speaker 3: you know, those guys I feel like work out a

962
00:44:58,320 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 3: little bit.

963
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:03,600
Speaker 4: Sometimes some sort of red flag with the prospect, whether

964
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:09,799
Speaker 4: it's injury, character concerns, whatever the case may be. And

965
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:10,520
Speaker 4: they have them in.

966
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:12,759
Speaker 3: I was gonna say, go out of the previous color.

967
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:15,000
Speaker 3: I don't know if I necessarily agree. The twenty nineteen

968
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:17,600
Speaker 3: were like twenty nineteen, it felt like there was a

969
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:22,279
Speaker 3: jumble of late first, early second receivers. I mean a

970
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:24,560
Speaker 3: lot of guys who have gone on to success, but

971
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:26,880
Speaker 3: see guys with traits. But I don't know that.

972
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:28,800
Speaker 7: I don't see a lot of like this guy might.

973
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:32,080
Speaker 3: Be a number one. Shoot, what's the one guy I'm

974
00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:35,600
Speaker 3: thinking of Arkansas No.

975
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 6: No.

976
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:38,719
Speaker 3: One of those schools. I the big athletic kid that

977
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:41,560
Speaker 3: looks Tasley the body type of a legit number one.

978
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:43,319
Speaker 3: But I'll think of it in a second.

979
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:45,240
Speaker 5: With Jady Niggins, I was gonna say, what's the Iowa

980
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:45,960
Speaker 5: State guy that I like?

981
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:46,839
Speaker 3: Please?

982
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 5: That's why I need Yeah, I need him. Let me

983
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:50,520
Speaker 5: make sure you about the draft shows I do.

984
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:54,720
Speaker 4: I do think this this wide receiver class is getting

985
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 4: a little bit too much hate. I don't think it's

986
00:45:57,400 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 4: a great class at the top, but it's a pretty

987
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:04,080
Speaker 4: deep class. I mean there's gonna be guys as always

988
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:06,560
Speaker 4: that you know, go second day to early day three

989
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:09,480
Speaker 4: that I think are going to be solid NFL players,

990
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:11,759
Speaker 4: or I think they'm going to be stars like probably not,

991
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:14,640
Speaker 4: but I think there's a there's more depth to the

992
00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:15,839
Speaker 4: class and it's getting right out.

993
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:16,920
Speaker 2: I'll let you know in due time.

994
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:18,640
Speaker 5: I'll be looking forward to that.

995
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:24,400
Speaker 2: Yet, writes in Patriots picked for need and intangibles, and

996
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:26,799
Speaker 2: that's how they ended up with the worst roster. I'm

997
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:30,800
Speaker 2: tired of hearing about intangibles. Talent wins games. The years

998
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:33,960
Speaker 2: of Patriots winning with intangibles and do your job are

999
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:37,080
Speaker 2: over and stop pretending like we're picking a running back

1000
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:40,440
Speaker 2: or tight end at fourth overall Carter Hunter and if

1001
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:42,680
Speaker 2: they're not there, you probably have to pick McMillan.

1002
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:44,080
Speaker 4: Stop pretending.

1003
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:47,439
Speaker 5: So just to be clear, nobody is suggesting picking any

1004
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:51,279
Speaker 5: position if Carter or Hunter is available. I think we

1005
00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:54,680
Speaker 5: all three agree if one of those two is available,

1006
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:57,839
Speaker 5: like they're taking, they should take one of those two.

1007
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:03,239
Speaker 5: So I would never suggest taking Aston Genty over Abdul Carter. No.

1008
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:07,319
Speaker 3: And you asked earlier, Paul about Carter Hunter preferences, and

1009
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:10,640
Speaker 3: I think I've all been lockstep on Carter. That would

1010
00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:12,960
Speaker 3: be my preference me too, but I feel like Hunters

1011
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:15,680
Speaker 3: give me. It's just the lack of attention on offense.

1012
00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:17,000
Speaker 3: I think so far, and that's why I'm getting a

1013
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:19,200
Speaker 3: little itchy, Like I'm looking at the and really just

1014
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:22,399
Speaker 3: you know, it's a fair one edition receiver, and it's

1015
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:26,840
Speaker 3: a little because I also don't feel that they've really

1016
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:30,279
Speaker 3: added a lot on defense. They've stabilized it, they've they've

1017
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:32,920
Speaker 3: gotten the pieces in place. But for me, they need

1018
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:34,520
Speaker 3: to get the guys I've said it a couple of

1019
00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:36,960
Speaker 3: times now that are gonna make the ceiling, like the

1020
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:40,560
Speaker 3: next generation of guys that Yeah, these guys Harold Lander,

1021
00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:42,359
Speaker 3: he he's a stopper, he can play, he'll be good,

1022
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:44,160
Speaker 3: he'll be solid, but you need that young guy, that

1023
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:46,120
Speaker 3: young third guy to come in, you know, and really

1024
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:49,560
Speaker 3: push those guys and eventually be the go to guys there.

1025
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:52,120
Speaker 3: You know they've they've got the baseline there, but.

1026
00:47:52,239 --> 00:48:01,160
Speaker 4: You're being greedy about your defense. I know I'm t's.

1027
00:47:58,520 --> 00:48:01,400
Speaker 5: Critique because they have I've taken a lot of defensive

1028
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:03,359
Speaker 5: players and haven't really addressed the offense. I felt real

1029
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:05,719
Speaker 5: sunshiny yesterday on the show because they were saying, you

1030
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:07,920
Speaker 5: know what, what about the neglect on offense, And I

1031
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:10,920
Speaker 5: just said, you can have these things be true with

1032
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:15,240
Speaker 5: the same like I think the opportunity to pick guys

1033
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:19,080
Speaker 5: to phill holes presented itself on defense. I don't think

1034
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:22,680
Speaker 5: it was an orchestrated Mike Rabel's defensive coach. He's only

1035
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:25,760
Speaker 5: going to do the defense and let the offense was available.

1036
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:28,400
Speaker 5: Whatever I figured out, I don't feel there were a

1037
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:31,240
Speaker 5: lot of great options on offense that they now. They

1038
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:35,160
Speaker 5: absolutely could have gotten a wide receiver now probably wouldn't

1039
00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:37,040
Speaker 5: have just been by free agency. They might have had

1040
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:40,000
Speaker 5: to get creative with the DK Metcalf or a Cooper

1041
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:42,280
Speaker 5: Cup or some you know, one of these kinds of guys,

1042
00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:46,920
Speaker 5: you know, making a swinging a deal for somebody. But

1043
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:49,760
Speaker 5: the guys that were available that were the best players

1044
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:52,719
Speaker 5: in my view, were on defense, and that's what they did.

1045
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:56,840
Speaker 2: David Maine, I know that if Carter or Hunter is

1046
00:48:56,840 --> 00:48:59,160
Speaker 2: available for we probably can't pass them up, but I'm

1047
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:02,319
Speaker 2: secretly hoping that they're both taken so we're forced to

1048
00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:05,839
Speaker 2: take Campbell. I personally believe that protecting quarterback is more

1049
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:09,880
Speaker 2: important than having a w R one H star receiver

1050
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:12,640
Speaker 2: is worthless if Mat doesn't have time to throw him

1051
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:16,080
Speaker 2: the ball. Asked Matt Stafford and Calvin Johnson about all

1052
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:19,719
Speaker 2: their Super Bowl wins, see Paul, even if Campbell ends

1053
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:22,440
Speaker 2: up being a guard, he's like a Zach Martin.

1054
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:24,719
Speaker 5: Right, Why would you want to have a great quarterback

1055
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:28,239
Speaker 5: wide receiver combination because maybe he might not win the

1056
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:30,120
Speaker 5: Super Bowl like the thirty one other teams.

1057
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:33,320
Speaker 2: That don't Campbell like Zach Martin, still makes the line better.

1058
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:36,960
Speaker 2: And Phil Perry reported that he watched the LSU tapes

1059
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:40,520
Speaker 2: with Dante Scarnekia and Scar said the guy is a

1060
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:41,680
Speaker 2: tackle all day.

1061
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:44,279
Speaker 4: But I didn't know that Scar said that.

1062
00:49:45,239 --> 00:49:48,959
Speaker 2: Well, I don't know why David Name would not.

1063
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:51,160
Speaker 4: I read the article that Phil wrote when he is

1064
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:53,799
Speaker 4: unless he said added that on a podcast. I don't

1065
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:54,960
Speaker 4: listen to everything that's.

1066
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:55,640
Speaker 3: Called burying the league.

1067
00:49:55,719 --> 00:49:59,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, right, But he didn't say that. And most of

1068
00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:01,759
Speaker 4: the quotes I saw from Scar about this for more

1069
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:05,600
Speaker 4: in generalities of In general, arm length is important because

1070
00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:07,640
Speaker 4: of X, Y and Z and that sort of thing.

1071
00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:12,520
Speaker 5: But I just would caution that it's no more true

1072
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:15,600
Speaker 5: to say that a great wide receiver and quarterback are

1073
00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:19,120
Speaker 5: useless without blocking as it would be to say great

1074
00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:23,840
Speaker 5: blocking is a guarantee of success without the rest. I

1075
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:26,600
Speaker 5: think there are plenty of really good tackles that toiled

1076
00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:29,200
Speaker 5: in that league for a long time on bad teams.

1077
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:34,799
Speaker 5: You know, Like I just you need everything. Like the

1078
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:37,440
Speaker 5: Eagles have a great offensive line, arguably the best in

1079
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:40,759
Speaker 5: the league, if not the best. What else they got

1080
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:42,480
Speaker 5: If they didn't have anything else, would they have wonted?

1081
00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:46,760
Speaker 5: But just an offensive line. They have the best roster

1082
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:50,040
Speaker 5: in the league. I mean, they have great weapons, you know,

1083
00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:52,200
Speaker 5: at receiver, they have a great running back, they have

1084
00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:56,600
Speaker 5: a really good quarterback, if not great, and the defense

1085
00:50:56,880 --> 00:51:00,480
Speaker 5: made plays and they may play us all over the place.

1086
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:02,239
Speaker 4: I just wondered, you know, to go back to the

1087
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:06,640
Speaker 4: Carter Hunter conversation a little bit too. If you don't

1088
00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:11,520
Speaker 4: address the offense, whether it's tackle or receiver, with the

1089
00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:15,160
Speaker 4: first pick in the draft, I think you're punting on

1090
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:19,520
Speaker 4: that position until next year, because obviously you'll take somebody

1091
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:22,600
Speaker 4: on Day two and it's another Caden Wallace esque dart

1092
00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:24,120
Speaker 4: throw and you hope for the best.

1093
00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:26,319
Speaker 5: Can it be better than that? Though? I don't know

1094
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:28,399
Speaker 5: if you like guys you know.

1095
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:31,680
Speaker 4: Or if you trade back to if you trade back

1096
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:34,360
Speaker 4: up into the first round, you know, if you trade

1097
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:37,680
Speaker 4: up until you know, probably into the twenties or maybe

1098
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:41,000
Speaker 4: early thirty or earlier thirties, then maybe, but like you're

1099
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:41,880
Speaker 4: still not getting.

1100
00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:43,640
Speaker 5: You're not getting it at thirty eight, is what you say, right, I.

1101
00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:45,479
Speaker 4: Don't think so, and I don't think you're getting both.

1102
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:49,520
Speaker 4: Definitely not getting both. So both you can't get receiver

1103
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:50,120
Speaker 4: and tackle.

1104
00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:52,720
Speaker 5: Oh no, no, no, I meant I meant like a tackle

1105
00:51:53,160 --> 00:51:55,839
Speaker 5: like Matt Light. I'm thinking Matt Light. Can I get

1106
00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:58,160
Speaker 5: some Can I get Matt Light in this at thirty eight?

1107
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:02,719
Speaker 5: I think, which maybe I'm not Maybe you know, I'm

1108
00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:05,279
Speaker 5: not expecting mattl Like to step in as a rookie

1109
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:06,759
Speaker 5: and do what he did in two thousand and one,

1110
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:09,759
Speaker 5: which would be a starting caliber yeh tackle for them

1111
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:11,960
Speaker 5: right out of the shoot. But can you have your

1112
00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:14,200
Speaker 5: tackle of the future at thirty eight?

1113
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:17,279
Speaker 4: I don't think it's tough. It all depends on when

1114
00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:21,120
Speaker 4: that connorly Ersery Josh Simmons run happens like those three

1115
00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:21,960
Speaker 4: guys last year.

1116
00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:23,879
Speaker 5: It would have been no because last year that run

1117
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:27,000
Speaker 5: happened early correct and the Patriots weren't able to get in.

1118
00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:29,800
Speaker 4: That's my fear. So Marius Mims started the run at eighteen.

1119
00:52:30,040 --> 00:52:33,480
Speaker 4: Marus Mims goes Tyler Geiton goes. Those two couple of

1120
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:35,400
Speaker 4: guys go in the first end of the first round.

1121
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:40,600
Speaker 4: Once that run stops in this draft, that's big. The

1122
00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:45,680
Speaker 4: cliff drops to the next group of tackles. So now

1123
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:49,239
Speaker 4: you're talking about Trapilo, who's really a right tackle. You're

1124
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:52,279
Speaker 4: talking about Anthony Belton from NC State, who's probably a

1125
00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:54,920
Speaker 4: third or fourth round pick. You know, in most drafts,

1126
00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:57,400
Speaker 4: like you really have that drop off to what was

1127
00:52:57,480 --> 00:53:00,920
Speaker 4: last year was you know, Patrick Paul Kingsley, Sue Mattia,

1128
00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:04,879
Speaker 4: Roger Rosegard, and Kayden Wallace and uh, the only one

1129
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:07,400
Speaker 4: that really played and played well was the kid in

1130
00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:08,880
Speaker 4: Washington was Brandon Coleman.

1131
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:11,960
Speaker 5: And now guard wasn't bad, but he played guard. Oh

1132
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:12,560
Speaker 5: that's true.

1133
00:53:12,719 --> 00:53:16,600
Speaker 4: So you know that that's that's where you're at right now.

1134
00:53:17,120 --> 00:53:20,040
Speaker 4: If you don't go tackle a receiver with the first pick,

1135
00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:22,759
Speaker 4: I just I don't know how you get that in

1136
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:23,360
Speaker 4: this tract.

1137
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:27,919
Speaker 5: I'm okay if you take a tackle at thirty eight. Again,

1138
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:30,040
Speaker 5: I understand everything you even just said, But if you've

1139
00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:31,879
Speaker 5: got to tackle at thirty eight, I'm okay. If he's

1140
00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:34,959
Speaker 5: not plug and play. I know everybody thinks that every

1141
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:37,680
Speaker 5: hole that you know, they had like literally, fifteen out

1142
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:40,960
Speaker 5: of the twenty two spots are open, and the Patriots

1143
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:43,120
Speaker 5: were expected to fill every single one of them with

1144
00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:46,359
Speaker 5: a frontline player. I am not expecting that, and I'm

1145
00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:48,040
Speaker 5: not going to be disappointed if they're not able to

1146
00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:50,360
Speaker 5: do that. So it doesn't need to be a plug

1147
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:53,680
Speaker 5: and play left tackle, but can it be a guy

1148
00:53:53,719 --> 00:53:56,279
Speaker 5: that Okay, he's going to be my left tackle. He's

1149
00:53:56,280 --> 00:53:58,080
Speaker 5: not quite ready yet, but he's going to be my

1150
00:53:58,160 --> 00:54:00,680
Speaker 5: left tackle. Maybe by the middle of this season he's

1151
00:54:01,239 --> 00:54:04,959
Speaker 5: emerging as the starter, and you know, heading into twenty six,

1152
00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:08,919
Speaker 5: that's my left tackle. I'm okay with that. A lot

1153
00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:10,680
Speaker 5: of fans won't be. They're like, we've been waiting for

1154
00:54:10,719 --> 00:54:13,200
Speaker 5: five years, you know, what are we doing? What? What

1155
00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:15,719
Speaker 5: are they waiting for on offense? Blah blah blah blah blah.

1156
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:16,360
Speaker 5: I'm okay with that.

1157
00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:18,239
Speaker 3: That goes back to need, though, and I feel like

1158
00:54:18,680 --> 00:54:20,799
Speaker 3: at that point in the draft, you could get a

1159
00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:25,359
Speaker 3: plug and play outside linebacker, running back like no, So

1160
00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:28,000
Speaker 3: that's how you're kind of weighing it, like, Yeah, we're

1161
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:30,560
Speaker 3: gonna try to develop this guy into a need that

1162
00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:33,600
Speaker 3: we really have, or there's definitely gonna be running back.

1163
00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:35,000
Speaker 3: Sitting there at thirty eight that you know, I mean,

1164
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:37,680
Speaker 3: maybe that's even too soon for one of the running backs.

1165
00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:40,879
Speaker 3: But I'd say defensive end, outside linebacker, that position group

1166
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:43,960
Speaker 3: that's really sure. That's the spot for this Red.

1167
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:45,600
Speaker 2: In my mind, I think you get a wide receiver

1168
00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:46,840
Speaker 2: in the second round.

1169
00:54:46,600 --> 00:54:49,319
Speaker 4: That you could, you could, but if you go yeah,

1170
00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:51,480
Speaker 4: but if you go at thirty eight, if you if

1171
00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:53,799
Speaker 4: you take a tackler receiver, I just don't think that

1172
00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:56,040
Speaker 4: you can now count on sixty nine and seventy seven

1173
00:54:56,120 --> 00:54:57,959
Speaker 4: filling the other hole that you don't draft.

1174
00:54:58,040 --> 00:55:00,840
Speaker 5: No, no, But again I'm okay with I'm okay with

1175
00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:04,160
Speaker 5: there still being a hole right after this year.

1176
00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:07,040
Speaker 4: I think that in the third round you can find

1177
00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:09,160
Speaker 4: a running back that's going to contribute. You can find

1178
00:55:09,160 --> 00:55:11,600
Speaker 4: a pass rusher that can contribute, you can find a

1179
00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:15,319
Speaker 4: defensive tackle that can contribute. That that those positions are

1180
00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:18,080
Speaker 4: where the depth is in this draft. So like at

1181
00:55:18,120 --> 00:55:19,919
Speaker 4: thirty eight, my fear is that they're going to find

1182
00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:24,719
Speaker 4: themselves in a defensive line sort of party, right Like

1183
00:55:24,719 --> 00:55:26,440
Speaker 4: there's just going to be defensive lineman and an ed

1184
00:55:26,560 --> 00:55:29,200
Speaker 4: dreshers just flying off the board at that point in

1185
00:55:29,239 --> 00:55:32,840
Speaker 4: the draft, and everybody's going to be waiting on tackle

1186
00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:35,279
Speaker 4: and waiting on receiver because there aren't any that are

1187
00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:35,760
Speaker 4: worth picking.

1188
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:39,200
Speaker 5: But I get that, and I'm okay with it.

1189
00:55:40,160 --> 00:55:40,600
Speaker 4: The receive.

1190
00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:42,359
Speaker 5: If they get a receiver in the third round, why

1191
00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:45,000
Speaker 5: can't I get a receiver who can contribute? Yes, I understand.

1192
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:47,680
Speaker 5: I still have my hole with that number one receiver spot.

1193
00:55:48,239 --> 00:55:48,440
Speaker 10: You know.

1194
00:55:49,320 --> 00:55:51,600
Speaker 5: Can I think if they signed Stefan Diggs, who was

1195
00:55:51,640 --> 00:55:53,279
Speaker 5: here last week, I still think they have a hole

1196
00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:56,440
Speaker 5: with the number one receiver spot. Like I'm not. I

1197
00:55:56,440 --> 00:56:00,160
Speaker 5: don't think that's going to get filled this season. But

1198
00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:02,719
Speaker 5: they need to be in the business of getting better

1199
00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:05,759
Speaker 5: players on the roster. Yeah, somehow they need to. They

1200
00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:07,720
Speaker 5: need to improve that the overall talent.

1201
00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:08,400
Speaker 4: What would you do?

1202
00:56:08,520 --> 00:56:10,760
Speaker 3: Like, that's what do you do a receiver?

1203
00:56:10,840 --> 00:56:11,040
Speaker 2: Though?

1204
00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:13,399
Speaker 3: Like I totally curd your point which you just made.

1205
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:15,880
Speaker 3: And is it worth draft taking a flyer on a

1206
00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:18,200
Speaker 3: guy when you've already got three four guys on the wall.

1207
00:56:18,200 --> 00:56:19,680
Speaker 5: That's what I'm saying. I don't want to take to

1208
00:56:19,719 --> 00:56:23,279
Speaker 5: me a flyer is taking McMillan at four. Well, I

1209
00:56:23,560 --> 00:56:25,080
Speaker 5: just my need I have. I had a need for

1210
00:56:25,160 --> 00:56:27,160
Speaker 5: number one receiver. I took the fourth pick of the draft. Well,

1211
00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:28,759
Speaker 5: if you can't play, I haven't filled the role.

1212
00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:31,560
Speaker 4: I think that's a little exaggeration. But if he's not

1213
00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:34,040
Speaker 4: good enough to be that guy, right, But McMillan's more

1214
00:56:34,080 --> 00:56:36,040
Speaker 4: than a flyer. Like McMillan, you're.

1215
00:56:36,239 --> 00:56:37,799
Speaker 5: I don't see a lot of people that think he's

1216
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:39,000
Speaker 5: worthy of a top five pick.

1217
00:56:39,120 --> 00:56:40,759
Speaker 4: I don't know about if he's worthy of a top

1218
00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:43,320
Speaker 4: five pick. But he's a top ten talent in this class,

1219
00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:45,319
Speaker 4: So like you're not. That's not a to me. A

1220
00:56:45,360 --> 00:56:47,680
Speaker 4: flyer is like Pop Douglas was a flyer.

1221
00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:48,640
Speaker 5: No, no, no, you know.

1222
00:56:50,719 --> 00:56:53,360
Speaker 4: Was a flyer, right, Like those guys are are a lottery.

1223
00:56:53,480 --> 00:56:55,399
Speaker 5: I just don't think that if you take McMillan, you're

1224
00:56:56,280 --> 00:56:59,040
Speaker 5: your your problems are solved at the top of the wife.

1225
00:56:59,040 --> 00:57:00,279
Speaker 3: You still need to get fast.

1226
00:57:01,680 --> 00:57:04,760
Speaker 2: Kyler Pembroke. If I remember correctly, on one of Paul's shows,

1227
00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:08,640
Speaker 2: they said, Travis Hunter isn't fast, Evan deuce, You guys

1228
00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:11,080
Speaker 2: are all ball knowers. Is this fact or crap?

1229
00:57:11,960 --> 00:57:12,760
Speaker 4: I have no comment.

1230
00:57:13,120 --> 00:57:13,680
Speaker 3: He looks fast.

1231
00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:14,359
Speaker 2: Why don't you have a.

1232
00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:15,440
Speaker 5: Comment think he's fast or not?

1233
00:57:15,680 --> 00:57:17,880
Speaker 4: Because if you like, did you have you watch the

1234
00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:18,520
Speaker 4: guy play.

1235
00:57:18,720 --> 00:57:20,600
Speaker 2: I mean, he's definitely got burst.

1236
00:57:20,800 --> 00:57:23,240
Speaker 4: He's got one of the he's got probably one of

1237
00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:25,800
Speaker 4: the best play speeds in the entire draft. Like he's

1238
00:57:26,080 --> 00:57:28,040
Speaker 4: I don't know, if you put him on a stop watch,

1239
00:57:28,040 --> 00:57:29,320
Speaker 4: if he was going to run a four to two,

1240
00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:31,840
Speaker 4: I don't know. But when you watch him play, I

1241
00:57:31,880 --> 00:57:34,120
Speaker 4: mean he ran away from guys. Yeah.

1242
00:57:34,240 --> 00:57:36,320
Speaker 5: I like him better as a corner than a wide receiver,

1243
00:57:36,440 --> 00:57:38,680
Speaker 5: But I think the Patriots would need to use him

1244
00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:41,040
Speaker 5: at wide receiver if they did it. If they did

1245
00:57:41,080 --> 00:57:44,120
Speaker 5: it that way, I feel like the little that I

1246
00:57:44,200 --> 00:57:48,040
Speaker 5: watched him, he's the best athlete on the field. Yeah,

1247
00:57:48,200 --> 00:57:49,800
Speaker 5: I don't think that'll be the case in the NFL,

1248
00:57:50,200 --> 00:57:51,880
Speaker 5: So I worry a little bit about him as a

1249
00:57:51,880 --> 00:57:52,480
Speaker 5: wide receiver.

1250
00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:56,240
Speaker 2: Would would we be talking any differently about Travis Hunter

1251
00:57:56,280 --> 00:57:58,880
Speaker 2: if he was playing in the SEC his career?

1252
00:57:59,680 --> 00:58:01,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, if he did that in the SEC, yeah, I

1253
00:58:01,760 --> 00:58:03,040
Speaker 5: would probably think better of him.

1254
00:58:03,080 --> 00:58:03,760
Speaker 4: I would just might.

1255
00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:05,600
Speaker 2: And then would he have been able to do that

1256
00:58:05,680 --> 00:58:06,680
Speaker 2: in the SEC.

1257
00:58:07,200 --> 00:58:09,200
Speaker 5: Well, I have no idea he's going to try to

1258
00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:10,600
Speaker 5: do it in the NFL, evidently.

1259
00:58:10,840 --> 00:58:13,040
Speaker 4: I just wonder if he, you know, would like you

1260
00:58:13,120 --> 00:58:16,120
Speaker 4: mentioned some of the stuff out there about him as

1261
00:58:16,120 --> 00:58:18,520
Speaker 4: a receiver, that he's a little raw and all that

1262
00:58:18,600 --> 00:58:20,360
Speaker 4: kind of stuff. Well, I think we have to keep

1263
00:58:20,400 --> 00:58:23,840
Speaker 4: in mind he didn't practice or focus on playing wide

1264
00:58:23,840 --> 00:58:27,840
Speaker 4: receiver in college, so he played his focus was really

1265
00:58:27,880 --> 00:58:30,520
Speaker 4: more on corner and he was just so damn talented

1266
00:58:30,840 --> 00:58:34,360
Speaker 4: playing a receiver. That's just how they used him at Colorado.

1267
00:58:34,720 --> 00:58:39,400
Speaker 4: So if he's not necessarily sole focused, but if ninety

1268
00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:42,480
Speaker 4: percent of his effort is on training at wide receiver

1269
00:58:42,560 --> 00:58:45,440
Speaker 4: athlete and he's already at this level, you know, this

1270
00:58:45,520 --> 00:58:49,280
Speaker 4: floor of a wide receiver just be off his physical gifts.

1271
00:58:49,600 --> 00:58:52,360
Speaker 2: Does Big Head like him, I don't know, because I

1272
00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:54,320
Speaker 2: would think that he'd be in love with him, like

1273
00:58:54,400 --> 00:58:58,360
Speaker 2: he's Bo Jackson, you know, type of all around athlete.

1274
00:58:58,440 --> 00:59:00,080
Speaker 5: Do any Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. I

1275
00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:02,320
Speaker 5: haven't really heard enough from from Andy to know what

1276
00:59:02,360 --> 00:59:04,040
Speaker 5: he thinks about him. But that will be another one.

1277
00:59:04,040 --> 00:59:06,720
Speaker 5: Going back to the combine, he weighed in I think

1278
00:59:06,720 --> 00:59:07,600
Speaker 5: at one eighty eight.

1279
00:59:07,800 --> 00:59:09,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, six feet one eighty.

1280
00:59:09,280 --> 00:59:10,760
Speaker 5: On a lot of people say how small he is.

1281
00:59:10,800 --> 00:59:12,840
Speaker 5: I don't think there's anything wrong with one eighty eight.

1282
00:59:13,640 --> 00:59:15,760
Speaker 5: Entering the league. He's going to get a little bigger

1283
00:59:15,800 --> 00:59:19,120
Speaker 5: than that again, because Mike skinless chicken, you learn nutrition

1284
00:59:19,200 --> 00:59:21,040
Speaker 5: at the NFL level. Right, he'll get a little bit

1285
00:59:21,040 --> 00:59:23,200
Speaker 5: bigger than But like, it's not like he's one sixty

1286
00:59:23,440 --> 00:59:26,439
Speaker 5: one eighty eight is that's that's a sturdy enough frame

1287
00:59:26,720 --> 00:59:27,000
Speaker 5: he has.

1288
00:59:27,320 --> 00:59:31,040
Speaker 4: He is basically Garrett Wilson from a measurable standpoint, you know,

1289
00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:33,680
Speaker 4: in terms of height and weight, they basically measured in

1290
00:59:33,760 --> 00:59:34,240
Speaker 4: around the same.

1291
00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:38,400
Speaker 5: I had said yesterday on Sunshine that if he's available,

1292
00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:40,080
Speaker 5: I don't see how the Patriots could pass him up,

1293
00:59:40,080 --> 00:59:41,640
Speaker 5: and you wouldn't believe the pushback.

1294
00:59:41,720 --> 00:59:44,320
Speaker 3: I could really really.

1295
00:59:43,560 --> 00:59:46,440
Speaker 5: Like I said something really outside of the realm of.

1296
00:59:46,520 --> 00:59:50,560
Speaker 2: Robin Coventry might snuck in a quiet but important question.

1297
00:59:51,080 --> 00:59:54,160
Speaker 2: When measuring arms, what are they measuring from? Wouldn't it

1298
00:59:54,160 --> 00:59:56,440
Speaker 2: be easier to measure from the fingertip of the left

1299
00:59:56,440 --> 00:59:58,960
Speaker 2: hand to the fingertip of the right hand? I E

1300
00:59:59,080 --> 01:00:02,360
Speaker 2: his wingspan, that's wingspan, that's measure length. What if he's

1301
01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:04,240
Speaker 2: got short arms but a broad chest.

1302
01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:05,200
Speaker 5: Well, they do both.

1303
01:00:05,640 --> 01:00:07,280
Speaker 2: Sign the kid and stick them on a rack.

1304
01:00:07,400 --> 01:00:10,919
Speaker 5: They do both, and he was exceptionally short in both. Ay,

1305
01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:14,080
Speaker 5: b it doesn't matter what you're actually doing, they're all

1306
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Speaker 5: they would all be doing it the same. So if

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Speaker 5: one guy has thirty two inch arms and another guy

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Speaker 5: is thirty four inch arms, but then you measure it

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Speaker 5: from a different spot, well, the other guy is still

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Speaker 5: going to be two inches longer, right, So what's the difference.

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Speaker 4: He has a very narrow chest.

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Speaker 2: As well, which is awesome the way he has a

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Speaker 2: narrow chest.

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Speaker 4: Yes, because his wingspan is narrow, so his upper body

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Speaker 4: is is not. His wingspans not long, so his shoulder

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Speaker 4: to shoulder.

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Speaker 5: I'm just going by what I read. All this stuff

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Speaker 5: is all of this stuff is not opinion by me.

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Speaker 5: I'm just going off of what I read. I've heard

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Speaker 5: that the wingspan in particular is like among the shortest ever.

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Speaker 5: It is smallest ever for that position.

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Speaker 4: It is that this is the first prospect that I

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Speaker 4: can remember where we're talking about his wingspan because.

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Speaker 5: It was so exceptionally small.

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Speaker 4: But but it's just weird because it's never been relevant in.

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Speaker 2: Relation to his wingspan. Does he have long arms.

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Speaker 4: That I don't know, but he's got a short wingspan.

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Speaker 3: Forearms, lo, I see what you did. How much does

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Speaker 3: just know about the will Campbell Armley country. I bet

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Speaker 3: this has bled over into your personal life, hasn't.

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Speaker 4: This is the point of the draft where I do

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Speaker 4: start to get a little annoyed.

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Speaker 5: So do you be talking the phone with Alex and

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Speaker 5: like Alex, I just don't know. Thirty two and five

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Speaker 5: a's it's just not long enough.

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Speaker 3: It's texts, trust trust I should take.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, this is the part where I start to

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Speaker 4: get a little annoyed because like some people start parachuting in,

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Speaker 4: you know, like that, like how like and and now

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Speaker 4: you know like his his shows have there that Travis

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Speaker 4: Hunter can actually play wide receiver, you know, like these

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Speaker 5: That wasn't the tenor yesterday. I think people were on

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Speaker 5: board with Travis Hunter. I mean, I can just go

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Speaker 5: on the show that I was on yesterday with with

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Speaker 5: Tony and Tony and Jim Murray both said they agreed,

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Speaker 5: got to take one of those two guys.

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Speaker 16: Another episode of Pats from the Past podcast, Matt Smith

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Speaker 16: here alongside with Pop Parolo, and we're pleased to be

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Speaker 16: joined by former Patriots quarterback Matt Castle. Matt, thanks for joining.

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Speaker 10: Us, absolutely glad to be here.

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Speaker 7: Why are you here, Matt?

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Speaker 5: What would bring you back to.

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Speaker 6: What would bring me back to the Foxborough is not

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01:04:15,960 --> 01:04:18,360
Speaker 6: just the people, the fans, but it's the tribute. Let's

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Speaker 6: be honest, it's the tribute the retirement ceremony for Tom Brady.

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Speaker 6: And you know, it was an incredible start to the

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Speaker 6: ceremonies last night when we all got together, a bunch

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Speaker 6: of teammates, old teammates and familiar faces coming back. So

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Speaker 6: we had a blast last night. We're looking to continue

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Speaker 6: it tonight.

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Speaker 16: You're a busy man with a big family, with a

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Speaker 16: lot of responsibilities and everything like that. So it's not

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Speaker 16: the easiest thing to sort of I'm going to drop

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Speaker 16: everything I'm doing. But was it and I'm sure so,

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Speaker 16: I mean, I don't want to answer it for you. Challenging,

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Speaker 16: But was it an easy decision to make that I

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Speaker 16: wanted to be here?

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Speaker 6: It was challenging, but it was definitely an easy decision

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Speaker 6: to make. I mean, Tom's a close friend of mine.

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Speaker 6: He's played an important role in my development when I

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Speaker 6: was young, and throughout the years we've stayed close. And

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Speaker 6: just the fact that we get an opportunity to celebrate

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Speaker 6: him tonight and send him send him out in the

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Speaker 6: proper fashion, and it'll be it'll be a fun, fun

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Speaker 6: experience for everybody.

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Speaker 5: You talked about the event that you did on Tuesday night,

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Speaker 5: any particular teammate that maybe you hadn't seen and you're like, wow,

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Speaker 5: it was great to catch out. I'm sure there was

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Speaker 5: a lot of them, but some one individually that stood out.

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Speaker 10: You know, there's not one individual.

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Speaker 6: The cool part about it is the thing that you

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Speaker 6: miss motes, and we talked about this is when you

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Speaker 6: leave the game, you miss that locker room, and you

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Speaker 6: had Logan Mankins, Matt Lay, Dan Cope and Lonnie Pax

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Speaker 6: and Kevin Fox, Dion Branch, all these guys that you've

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Speaker 6: had these incredible experiences with, and we played together, we

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Speaker 6: competed together. But to come back all and get into

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Speaker 6: one room and be able to see those guys and

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Speaker 6: pick up where we left off and tell funny stories

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Speaker 6: and old jokes, that's what it's all about, and that

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Speaker 6: it's the camaraderie that you really don't experience in other

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Speaker 6: walks of life, but you do in that locker room.

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Speaker 10: And so it's pretty unique.

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Speaker 16: All right, let's start where it started in two thousand

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Speaker 16: and five, and here's a guy who played one of

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Speaker 16: the best programs in all college football. You didn't get

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Speaker 16: a chance to play a lot.

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Speaker 2: What were your.

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Speaker 16: What realistically, Matt, did you think was going to happen

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Speaker 16: as you entered the draft that year?

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Speaker 6: Honestly, I was just hoping to catch on as a

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Speaker 6: free agent and prove myself, maybe even get in a

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Speaker 6: practice because my expectations were, Hey, if I can get in,

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Speaker 6: hopefully I can get a chance to prove myself. And

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Speaker 6: throughout the process I had a good Pro Day and

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Speaker 6: all that stuff, and I had some workouts for about

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Speaker 6: five different teams, and I just thought, you know, there

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Speaker 6: is potential here that I will be a free agent somewhere.

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Speaker 6: And then all of a sudden, that last day of

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Speaker 6: the draft, I get a phone call. I was sitting

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Speaker 6: down at my agency's like, look, free agency is gonna

1448
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Speaker 6: happen quick. We got to be prepared. We're getting fucked.

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Speaker 6: We're started to field some phone calls from different teams,

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Speaker 6: and next thing I know, Coach Belichick's on the line

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Speaker 6: and saying, hey, Matt, welcome to the New England Patriots.

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Speaker 6: We're going to take you next in the NFL Draft.

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Speaker 6: And my jawge is dropped. I kind of even had

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Speaker 6: to ask him, are you messing with me? Because I

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Speaker 6: didn't think it was realistic, right, I mean, for a

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01:07:07,440 --> 01:07:09,520
Speaker 6: guy that threw I think it was thirty two total

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Speaker 6: passes in college, I backed up to Heisman Trophy winners,

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Speaker 6: which probably you know, kind of helped me along the

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Speaker 6: way in terms of the perception of who I could

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Speaker 6: potentially be. But there wasn't any tape out there, and

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Speaker 6: so the fact that they took a shot on me

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Speaker 6: and gave me an opportunity, I'd be forever, forever grateful.

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Speaker 5: So when you got drafted, you know, I was we

1464
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Speaker 5: were still doing the newspaper back then, Matt, That's how

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Speaker 5: long ago it was. But you know, I had your

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Speaker 5: draft profile that year and I called Pete Carroll, who

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Speaker 5: was the head coach here my first year working for

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Speaker 5: Patriots dot Com, and I talked to Pete a little

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Speaker 5: bit and he gushed about how agonizing the decision was

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Speaker 5: between you and Matt Leiner, and how you guys had

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Speaker 5: sort of toggled back and forth, and you know, depending

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Speaker 5: on the day that he woke up, he was convinced

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Speaker 5: you with the guy right, and then it was him,

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Speaker 5: and then it was you. And do you think that

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Speaker 5: maybe Pete talked to a lot of ent guys, maybe

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Speaker 5: with his obviously extensive experience, and maybe that sort of

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Speaker 5: helped give you a little bit of a push.

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Speaker 6: I absolutely think he had an influence on just the

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Speaker 6: ability to know so many different people from a personnel standpoint.

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Speaker 10: And then at the same time, I.

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Speaker 6: Remember on the pro day, before we started our pro day,

1482
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Speaker 6: he would go in and speak to all the scouts

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Speaker 6: individually about each guy. And so I know that we

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Speaker 6: always had a good relationship, and as agonizing as it

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Speaker 6: was for him, it was more agonizing for me to

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Speaker 6: sit there and have to wait and say, you know,

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Speaker 6: I can't the week before season getting called into that

1488
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Speaker 6: office and getting the devastating news that what you've been

1489
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Speaker 6: working for, you've been the backup for three years behind Carson.

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Speaker 6: This was I felt like it was my time to go.

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Speaker 6: And then to be told, look, we're going to go

1492
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Speaker 6: with line Art to start, but if he falters it

1493
01:08:47,320 --> 01:08:49,720
Speaker 6: all and you know, he took off that first game

1494
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Speaker 6: with like a rocket ship and we go beat Auburn,

1495
01:08:52,040 --> 01:08:53,640
Speaker 6: and then I was like, man, what am I going

1496
01:08:53,680 --> 01:08:53,920
Speaker 6: to do?

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Speaker 10: So I stuck playing.

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Speaker 6: I went and switched over, played a little tight end

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Speaker 6: that year, played on special teams, did all these different

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Speaker 6: things because I wanted to play and be a part

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Speaker 6: of it. But I was kind of stuck in that

1502
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Speaker 6: catch twenty.

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Speaker 5: That's why Belichick drafted.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, He's like, maybe he'll be on special teams. The

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Speaker 6: more you can do right, the more you can.

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Speaker 16: Do Okay, So you're here ostensibly, you know, it helps

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Speaker 16: celebrate Tom's career, and so one of the big things

1508
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Speaker 16: that has happened throughout the years or rookie comes in,

1509
01:09:17,960 --> 01:09:20,040
Speaker 16: you're in the room with him. You know, what was

1510
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Speaker 16: your first impression when you met tom.

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Speaker 6: You know, I pretty much introduced myself in the weakest,

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Speaker 6: nerdiest form and fashion when he came up. I said,

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Speaker 6: mister Brady, Matt Castle, because you know, it's an intimidating environment, right,

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Speaker 6: and this guy just came off three Super Bowls. You

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Speaker 6: don't know how to Like normally you go up and say, hey,

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Speaker 6: what's going on, man, nice to meet you. I just

1517
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Speaker 6: completely geeked out, went with a mister Brady and he's like, hey, Bud,

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Speaker 6: don't call me that, call me Tommy. I was like,

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01:09:43,760 --> 01:09:46,880
Speaker 6: he might have me cut tomorrow based on the fact

1520
01:09:46,920 --> 01:09:48,200
Speaker 6: that he doesn't want to be in the room with

1521
01:09:48,240 --> 01:09:50,240
Speaker 6: somebody like a But no, he.

1522
01:09:50,200 --> 01:09:51,960
Speaker 10: Was incredible from the jump.

1523
01:09:52,040 --> 01:09:54,439
Speaker 6: I mean we got in there, and then soon thereafter

1524
01:09:54,560 --> 01:09:57,440
Speaker 6: as we started to get into the work outs that offseason,

1525
01:09:57,840 --> 01:10:00,799
Speaker 6: he's noticed that, Look, I was one of those workout

1526
01:10:00,800 --> 01:10:02,400
Speaker 6: warriors too. I like to go in there. I like

1527
01:10:02,439 --> 01:10:03,720
Speaker 6: to work out, and he's like, hey, you want to

1528
01:10:03,760 --> 01:10:05,080
Speaker 6: work out with me? So he kind of took me

1529
01:10:05,160 --> 01:10:07,720
Speaker 6: under his wing at that point, and from that point on,

1530
01:10:07,760 --> 01:10:08,679
Speaker 6: for the next four years.

1531
01:10:08,720 --> 01:10:10,840
Speaker 10: We worked out every day with each other, we were

1532
01:10:10,840 --> 01:10:11,559
Speaker 10: in every meeting.

1533
01:10:11,600 --> 01:10:15,080
Speaker 6: But for me, it was just incredible to watch the

1534
01:10:15,120 --> 01:10:19,080
Speaker 6: professionalism day in and day out and his leadership. And

1535
01:10:19,160 --> 01:10:21,080
Speaker 6: it was not just with his words, but it was

1536
01:10:21,120 --> 01:10:24,439
Speaker 6: with his actions. It's how he took care of himself,

1537
01:10:24,479 --> 01:10:27,679
Speaker 6: it's how he interacted with his teammates, how he treated

1538
01:10:27,720 --> 01:10:29,439
Speaker 6: one guy because he thought he could get the most

1539
01:10:29,439 --> 01:10:31,680
Speaker 6: out of this guy like Welker, for instance, he could

1540
01:10:31,760 --> 01:10:33,960
Speaker 6: yell at him all day long and Welker would just

1541
01:10:34,040 --> 01:10:36,160
Speaker 6: continue to go, you know. And then there's other guys

1542
01:10:36,160 --> 01:10:38,800
Speaker 6: that maybe like a raindy Moss, that he'd sit there

1543
01:10:38,960 --> 01:10:40,960
Speaker 6: in the locker after practice and just have a general

1544
01:10:40,960 --> 01:10:45,280
Speaker 6: discussion about stuff because how he approached people was different

1545
01:10:45,320 --> 01:10:48,600
Speaker 6: based on their personality and the relationships.

1546
01:10:48,880 --> 01:10:50,080
Speaker 10: So it was just a.

1547
01:10:50,000 --> 01:10:53,639
Speaker 6: Masterclass in being a professional quarterback. And then to watch

1548
01:10:53,760 --> 01:10:56,480
Speaker 6: what he did week in and week out was just astounding.

1549
01:10:56,720 --> 01:10:58,639
Speaker 5: So you get to be part of that room with,

1550
01:10:58,960 --> 01:11:01,000
Speaker 5: you know, the best that's ever done it, and you

1551
01:11:01,040 --> 01:11:03,800
Speaker 5: also get to be coached by a guy who a

1552
01:11:03,840 --> 01:11:05,720
Speaker 5: lot of people think is the best who's ever done it.

1553
01:11:06,120 --> 01:11:09,840
Speaker 5: What do you remember about Bill specifically? But and I

1554
01:11:09,840 --> 01:11:12,040
Speaker 5: know Matt and I tell talk about that story that

1555
01:11:12,080 --> 01:11:15,400
Speaker 5: I think you talked about in the Dynasty documentary about

1556
01:11:15,520 --> 01:11:19,880
Speaker 5: him calling your mom. Oh yeah, right.

1557
01:11:19,479 --> 01:11:21,160
Speaker 6: About being a dumb ass because I missed the corner

1558
01:11:21,160 --> 01:11:24,240
Speaker 6: blitz that was my rookie year. Yeah, it was the

1559
01:11:24,280 --> 01:11:27,080
Speaker 6: last preseason game. I didn't see the week corner blitz, which, hey,

1560
01:11:27,120 --> 01:11:28,200
Speaker 6: they were pretty sneaky about it.

1561
01:11:28,200 --> 01:11:31,559
Speaker 10: Think this guy's as well. But he definitely called me

1562
01:11:31,560 --> 01:11:32,519
Speaker 10: out in the meeting the next day.

1563
01:11:32,560 --> 01:11:35,400
Speaker 6: He's like, you know, Matt, let's make sure we go

1564
01:11:35,479 --> 01:11:37,479
Speaker 6: through the fronts and check the corner blitz so I

1565
01:11:37,479 --> 01:11:39,280
Speaker 6: don't have to call your mom and tell our dear

1566
01:11:39,320 --> 01:11:42,080
Speaker 6: missus Castle, we're sorry your son's in the hospital because

1567
01:11:42,160 --> 01:11:42,960
Speaker 6: he's a dumb ass.

1568
01:11:43,640 --> 01:11:45,000
Speaker 10: And from the whole t year, I was like, yep,

1569
01:11:45,080 --> 01:11:46,000
Speaker 10: I deserve that one.

1570
01:11:46,520 --> 01:11:46,640
Speaker 2: Uh.

1571
01:11:46,920 --> 01:11:48,439
Speaker 10: But Bill Bill was.

1572
01:11:49,160 --> 01:11:51,479
Speaker 6: He was incredible because he pushed you to limits that

1573
01:11:51,520 --> 01:11:53,160
Speaker 6: you didn't know that you could go, and he got

1574
01:11:53,160 --> 01:11:54,760
Speaker 6: the best out of each of his players. But I

1575
01:11:54,800 --> 01:11:58,360
Speaker 6: always respected about Bill was he had you better prepared

1576
01:11:58,360 --> 01:12:02,679
Speaker 6: for any situation situationally speaking, also just game readiness then

1577
01:12:02,800 --> 01:12:05,679
Speaker 6: I've ever been around. And part of that was even

1578
01:12:05,720 --> 01:12:07,760
Speaker 6: on Tuesdays, taking the time out of his day on

1579
01:12:07,800 --> 01:12:09,519
Speaker 6: a Tuesday or off day, we'd come in, we'd meet

1580
01:12:09,520 --> 01:12:12,000
Speaker 6: with him and you've probably heard the story. We sit down,

1581
01:12:12,360 --> 01:12:16,200
Speaker 6: go through every personnel and their defensive back end, safeties,

1582
01:12:16,280 --> 01:12:19,240
Speaker 6: corner strengths, weaknesses, summarize.

1583
01:12:18,720 --> 01:12:19,240
Speaker 10: Who they are.

1584
01:12:19,680 --> 01:12:23,599
Speaker 6: Then even maybe a potential matchup on linebackers, talk about

1585
01:12:23,640 --> 01:12:26,439
Speaker 6: the defensive coordinator and also his lineage and where it

1586
01:12:26,479 --> 01:12:29,639
Speaker 6: came from. Then we'd watch film on all these guys.

1587
01:12:29,720 --> 01:12:32,920
Speaker 6: So by the time you came in on Wednesday, you're rolling.

1588
01:12:33,200 --> 01:12:37,200
Speaker 6: You understand why we're implementing certain past schemes and concepts,

1589
01:12:37,760 --> 01:12:40,280
Speaker 6: who we're trying to attack on specific routes, who are

1590
01:12:40,320 --> 01:12:43,080
Speaker 6: trying to take advantage of and so you just had this.

1591
01:12:43,600 --> 01:12:47,360
Speaker 6: You had this confidence going into game week, understanding why

1592
01:12:47,400 --> 01:12:49,720
Speaker 6: we're doing certain things, and there was never that.

1593
01:12:51,320 --> 01:12:54,000
Speaker 10: Wait, what are we doing? And if there was, it

1594
01:12:54,080 --> 01:12:55,640
Speaker 10: was answered right and so.

1595
01:12:56,120 --> 01:12:58,120
Speaker 6: And the other thing I always appreciated about Bill was

1596
01:12:58,120 --> 01:13:02,040
Speaker 6: he he was always to everybody to the same standard

1597
01:13:02,120 --> 01:13:05,479
Speaker 6: of accountability. It wasn't like a if you're this guy

1598
01:13:05,600 --> 01:13:08,400
Speaker 6: and you're a big name, you're you're off limits. And

1599
01:13:08,479 --> 01:13:11,320
Speaker 6: I've been around that that type of program before too No,

1600
01:13:11,479 --> 01:13:13,840
Speaker 6: it was. Look, if you're Tom Brady or if you're

1601
01:13:13,840 --> 01:13:16,439
Speaker 6: a free agent, it doesn't matter. If you've messed up,

1602
01:13:16,560 --> 01:13:19,080
Speaker 6: I'm gonna call you out. We're gonna correct it here.

1603
01:13:19,240 --> 01:13:22,360
Speaker 6: It might not be something that you know everybody everybody's

1604
01:13:22,400 --> 01:13:23,639
Speaker 6: cup of tea, like to sit.

1605
01:13:23,520 --> 01:13:25,640
Speaker 10: There and get it in the meeting room.

1606
01:13:25,720 --> 01:13:29,439
Speaker 6: But at the same time, it's set a level of.

1607
01:13:29,360 --> 01:13:39,519
Speaker 10: Expectation and a standard for everyone and now great moments in.

1608
01:13:41,800 --> 01:13:43,280
Speaker 2: History satellite radio.

1609
01:13:44,040 --> 01:13:45,160
Speaker 10: I really like it good.

1610
01:13:45,479 --> 01:13:48,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't like it, Eric, I don't have it.

1611
01:13:48,160 --> 01:13:49,040
Speaker 2: You don't have anything.

1612
01:13:49,880 --> 01:13:52,599
Speaker 5: Okay, you don't even have HBO podcast.

1613
01:13:52,640 --> 01:13:53,000
Speaker 10: That's true.

1614
01:13:53,000 --> 01:13:54,720
Speaker 16: I don't have HBO like you.

1615
01:13:55,160 --> 01:13:56,680
Speaker 5: I have access to HBO. I know.

1616
01:13:56,760 --> 01:14:00,720
Speaker 2: But you live like a monk's life over there in Providence.

1617
01:14:01,280 --> 01:14:02,400
Speaker 10: I know you concerned.

1618
01:14:02,520 --> 01:14:03,639
Speaker 2: You know you'll like a hermit.

1619
01:14:03,760 --> 01:14:08,360
Speaker 15: Sure, Eric wearing an olive colored sweater's brown.

1620
01:14:09,280 --> 01:14:12,840
Speaker 2: Down than I've said that before, green tint, and he

1621
01:14:12,840 --> 01:14:13,879
Speaker 2: gets really upset.

1622
01:14:14,360 --> 01:14:15,400
Speaker 10: I don't get upset.

1623
01:14:15,479 --> 01:14:16,800
Speaker 2: It has a green tint to it.

1624
01:14:17,360 --> 01:14:19,639
Speaker 5: Sure, but it's brown. It's not olive.

1625
01:14:19,760 --> 01:14:22,519
Speaker 4: I think it's all trust me, it's not olive.

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01:14:22,680 --> 01:14:25,479
Speaker 15: The color of an olive, like a dark olive, looks

1627
01:14:25,600 --> 01:14:26,840
Speaker 15: just like your sweater.

1628
01:14:27,200 --> 01:14:29,559
Speaker 1: That's another great moment from.

1629
01:14:31,560 --> 01:14:32,360
Speaker 2: Those are the days.

1630
01:14:32,760 --> 01:14:35,920
Speaker 5: I'm not getting mad, but but it's brown, right like

1631
01:14:36,200 --> 01:14:37,720
Speaker 5: he was actually angry at the time.

1632
01:14:37,760 --> 01:14:40,519
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, oh yeah, it's the best color, all right.

1633
01:14:40,600 --> 01:14:44,080
Speaker 2: Eight five five past five hundred is the Hotline podcast

1634
01:14:44,240 --> 01:14:47,640
Speaker 2: at patriots dot com. Is the email address if you

1635
01:14:47,800 --> 01:14:51,639
Speaker 2: want to sign up for the newsletter, And if you don't,

1636
01:14:51,800 --> 01:14:55,720
Speaker 2: you should right away go to Patriots dot com slash

1637
01:14:56,000 --> 01:15:00,320
Speaker 2: pu newsletter and sign up. In every Friday, Alex puts

1638
01:15:00,320 --> 01:15:04,360
Speaker 2: that together and sends it out. How do we land

1639
01:15:04,439 --> 01:15:07,519
Speaker 2: with where you would take a free agent for dinner

1640
01:15:07,680 --> 01:15:10,880
Speaker 2: or you know, a restaurant like was there a consensus? Like, okay,

1641
01:15:10,920 --> 01:15:11,759
Speaker 2: that was the hall.

1642
01:15:11,720 --> 01:15:12,479
Speaker 4: Didn't play the game?

1643
01:15:12,560 --> 01:15:13,800
Speaker 2: Oh you didn't play last week?

1644
01:15:13,920 --> 01:15:15,439
Speaker 4: He said, Jersey Mike's or something.

1645
01:15:15,680 --> 01:15:18,040
Speaker 5: Oh no, no, no, I said, I said the North End.

1646
01:15:18,160 --> 01:15:19,800
Speaker 5: I said, take them to Boston so they know that

1647
01:15:19,840 --> 01:15:23,160
Speaker 5: they're not basically in Siberia. Take them to Boston. Take

1648
01:15:23,240 --> 01:15:25,559
Speaker 5: them to the North End. You can't go wrong. But

1649
01:15:25,640 --> 01:15:27,519
Speaker 5: if you just want to stay Locals number thirteen at

1650
01:15:27,560 --> 01:15:29,320
Speaker 5: Jersey next Mike's Way.

1651
01:15:29,479 --> 01:15:31,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, I was having a little.

1652
01:15:31,320 --> 01:15:33,160
Speaker 3: Fun with local I mean sharing such a town with

1653
01:15:33,200 --> 01:15:34,839
Speaker 3: so many patriots, greats in it.

1654
01:15:34,720 --> 01:15:36,519
Speaker 4: And such a fine cuisine.

1655
01:15:36,760 --> 01:15:38,439
Speaker 2: Didn't take them to the spot.

1656
01:15:38,960 --> 01:15:42,120
Speaker 4: No, No, it's just fantastic cuisine and Sharon, they're really

1657
01:15:42,160 --> 01:15:42,680
Speaker 4: known for that.

1658
01:15:43,000 --> 01:15:46,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, I didn't take it seriously, this guy. I was

1659
01:15:46,360 --> 01:15:48,759
Speaker 5: trying to town downtown, Sharon.

1660
01:15:49,000 --> 01:15:50,880
Speaker 3: I will, I think fred I will have maybe a

1661
01:15:50,920 --> 01:15:52,880
Speaker 3: little something special in the newsletter this week. There was

1662
01:15:53,560 --> 01:15:56,639
Speaker 3: a new addition to the do So family over the weekend.

1663
01:15:56,800 --> 01:16:02,240
Speaker 3: Oh for a friend, has john fantastic?

1664
01:16:02,320 --> 01:16:03,759
Speaker 2: Do you want to save it for the newsletter?

1665
01:16:05,120 --> 01:16:05,479
Speaker 5: We found it.

1666
01:16:05,479 --> 01:16:06,479
Speaker 7: We found a very chill dog.

1667
01:16:06,680 --> 01:16:07,000
Speaker 2: A dog.

1668
01:16:07,520 --> 01:16:11,320
Speaker 7: It's kind of like a chiawa mix. He's a small dog.

1669
01:16:11,920 --> 01:16:13,920
Speaker 3: His name is Zoot and he comes from Texas, so

1670
01:16:13,920 --> 01:16:15,400
Speaker 3: we kept the name Zoot. I don't know where it

1671
01:16:15,400 --> 01:16:19,040
Speaker 3: came from. He's like a nice like like light brown, like.

1672
01:16:19,120 --> 01:16:22,920
Speaker 2: Olive ears stick up ears are very so.

1673
01:16:22,960 --> 01:16:28,559
Speaker 3: He's got some doc I can't say docson doson doxon. Uh.

1674
01:16:28,960 --> 01:16:30,720
Speaker 3: He's got a little bit of pug and he's got

1675
01:16:30,720 --> 01:16:35,200
Speaker 3: a little bit of a little bit of pug poodle

1676
01:16:35,240 --> 01:16:36,519
Speaker 3: little poodle and a little poodle.

1677
01:16:37,000 --> 01:16:38,000
Speaker 7: So he's a little bit of a mix.

1678
01:16:39,520 --> 01:16:41,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, apparently his parents parents.

1679
01:16:42,520 --> 01:16:45,720
Speaker 3: Uh but no, very very chill dog. And he's assimilating

1680
01:16:45,720 --> 01:16:47,519
Speaker 3: well into the family. So maybe I'll have a little

1681
01:16:47,760 --> 01:16:48,040
Speaker 3: right up.

1682
01:16:49,160 --> 01:16:52,479
Speaker 2: Who does he gravitate to most probably my wife right

1683
01:16:52,479 --> 01:16:52,880
Speaker 2: out of the gate.

1684
01:16:52,920 --> 01:16:54,519
Speaker 3: But he was smart. When we went to the thing,

1685
01:16:54,640 --> 01:16:56,720
Speaker 3: you know, to the shelter to look at him, he

1686
01:16:56,760 --> 01:16:58,479
Speaker 3: came right up to me and sat right next to

1687
01:16:58,479 --> 01:17:00,240
Speaker 3: me and kind of flipped upside down and was just

1688
01:17:00,280 --> 01:17:02,240
Speaker 3: like hanging with me. So he knew he knew who

1689
01:17:02,240 --> 01:17:04,760
Speaker 3: the skeptical one was. And uh, yeah, No, it was

1690
01:17:04,800 --> 01:17:07,920
Speaker 3: just very calm, not a barker, chill dog. So I

1691
01:17:07,960 --> 01:17:09,840
Speaker 3: think it's a good, good addition for all those out

1692
01:17:09,840 --> 01:17:12,120
Speaker 3: there who were very that's great. I had a text

1693
01:17:12,200 --> 01:17:14,040
Speaker 3: Evan anounce that I knew they were heavily invested in.

1694
01:17:14,240 --> 01:17:17,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, on Sunday night, sitting there and get a text

1695
01:17:17,160 --> 01:17:21,200
Speaker 4: with the picture from picture in the text message there

1696
01:17:21,240 --> 01:17:23,439
Speaker 4: is there's Zuke. Very excited.

1697
01:17:24,360 --> 01:17:27,000
Speaker 2: There you congratulations, thank you, very excited.

1698
01:17:27,080 --> 01:17:27,719
Speaker 5: Very good.

1699
01:17:28,040 --> 01:17:32,599
Speaker 2: All right, let's go to the hot line. He's been

1700
01:17:32,600 --> 01:17:35,559
Speaker 2: holding on for a while, Patty and Agaalon, what's up? Patty?

1701
01:17:38,160 --> 01:17:40,840
Speaker 5: Patty passed out.

1702
01:17:41,000 --> 01:17:43,040
Speaker 2: People are going to be really upset that you weren't

1703
01:17:43,080 --> 01:17:47,599
Speaker 2: on the line. Let's go to Ohio. Brad's there. What's

1704
01:17:47,640 --> 01:17:48,360
Speaker 2: up Brad?

1705
01:17:48,720 --> 01:17:51,320
Speaker 17: Hey, good afternoon, guys.

1706
01:17:54,160 --> 01:17:54,439
Speaker 2: Good.

1707
01:17:54,520 --> 01:17:57,040
Speaker 17: Uh got a got a couple of thoughts here with you,

1708
01:17:57,120 --> 01:17:59,720
Speaker 17: and uh, you know, the drafts upon us now, so

1709
01:18:00,400 --> 01:18:03,479
Speaker 17: I think we're focusing a lot on that and that's

1710
01:18:03,479 --> 01:18:09,640
Speaker 17: a good thing. Just a couple quick insights. If it

1711
01:18:09,720 --> 01:18:13,439
Speaker 17: were me and it was picked four, I would either

1712
01:18:13,520 --> 01:18:18,600
Speaker 17: go Hunter, Carter, Campbell, Graham, and if neither one of

1713
01:18:18,640 --> 01:18:24,879
Speaker 17: those players were available, I would try to get Coaston

1714
01:18:24,960 --> 01:18:29,120
Speaker 17: Loveland simply because he'll be great with Drake. And then

1715
01:18:29,400 --> 01:18:32,320
Speaker 17: I don't know about that North Dakota state blocker. Where

1716
01:18:32,360 --> 01:18:36,040
Speaker 17: are you all anticipating he'll be taken? Because can we

1717
01:18:36,080 --> 01:18:39,439
Speaker 17: get back up into the first round and get.

1718
01:18:39,360 --> 01:18:43,320
Speaker 4: Him, Well, he's a guard, yeah, talking about Gray's Abel,

1719
01:18:43,640 --> 01:18:47,760
Speaker 4: who's fantastic. He's going to play guard though at the

1720
01:18:47,800 --> 01:18:50,519
Speaker 4: next level, and he's going to be a top twenty,

1721
01:18:50,600 --> 01:18:54,240
Speaker 4: top twenty five pick. I think in this class, really

1722
01:18:54,320 --> 01:18:58,920
Speaker 4: really really really strong pre draft process starting at the

1723
01:18:58,960 --> 01:19:03,000
Speaker 4: Senior Bowl just to absolutely skyrocketed up the board since then.

1724
01:19:03,080 --> 01:19:06,120
Speaker 4: So good player, really good football player.

1725
01:19:07,160 --> 01:19:09,880
Speaker 13: Then you don't think we'll get a chance. He won't

1726
01:19:09,880 --> 01:19:11,559
Speaker 13: even fit in our offense.

1727
01:19:11,680 --> 01:19:14,240
Speaker 4: Then no, I don't think it's not. He's just a guard.

1728
01:19:14,680 --> 01:19:17,559
Speaker 4: You know, he's we talk about Will Campbell's arm length

1729
01:19:17,680 --> 01:19:20,040
Speaker 4: like Gray's abels like closer to thirty two. You know,

1730
01:19:20,120 --> 01:19:23,800
Speaker 4: he's really gonna there's no question, like, there's no there's

1731
01:19:24,000 --> 01:19:27,679
Speaker 4: debate with him. He's moving inside at the Senior Bowl

1732
01:19:27,840 --> 01:19:30,880
Speaker 4: and then where he practiced all three spots actually center

1733
01:19:31,240 --> 01:19:31,679
Speaker 4: as well.

1734
01:19:33,000 --> 01:19:35,880
Speaker 17: Okay, then, well I was hoping because he did look

1735
01:19:35,960 --> 01:19:39,040
Speaker 17: like the sure bet as far as the blocker goes.

1736
01:19:39,840 --> 01:19:42,120
Speaker 17: And then the running back. I still hope we get

1737
01:19:42,160 --> 01:19:47,000
Speaker 17: Donovan Edwards and then Jenkins the other Higo State running back,

1738
01:19:48,360 --> 01:19:52,280
Speaker 17: and then a wide receiver Isaiah Bond from Texas.

1739
01:19:52,360 --> 01:19:54,679
Speaker 3: Is that oh yeah, we like him.

1740
01:19:54,760 --> 01:19:58,720
Speaker 13: And then made me back back or.

1741
01:20:01,320 --> 01:20:02,679
Speaker 3: Yeah best jack?

1742
01:20:03,800 --> 01:20:08,680
Speaker 2: Okay, well all right thanks, Yeah, I don't know.

1743
01:20:08,920 --> 01:20:11,320
Speaker 5: Perhaps branching out a little bit, only five Michigan guys

1744
01:20:11,439 --> 01:20:14,719
Speaker 5: that I expected Isaiah Bond was was that was outside

1745
01:20:14,760 --> 01:20:15,160
Speaker 5: the box.

1746
01:20:15,240 --> 01:20:17,519
Speaker 4: Everybody's all over the place with Isaiah Bond. You either

1747
01:20:17,520 --> 01:20:20,760
Speaker 4: love him or you hate him. There's no there's no consensus. Uh.

1748
01:20:20,760 --> 01:20:25,639
Speaker 4: He's obviously got great, great speed, but he never really

1749
01:20:25,680 --> 01:20:28,080
Speaker 4: realized the potential in college, like he had a really

1750
01:20:28,120 --> 01:20:30,679
Speaker 4: good year at Alabama a couple of years ago, looked

1751
01:20:30,720 --> 01:20:33,200
Speaker 4: like the next Jalen Waddle, like was just moving at

1752
01:20:33,200 --> 01:20:35,960
Speaker 4: a different speed than everybody else on the field, and

1753
01:20:36,000 --> 01:20:40,400
Speaker 4: the production just never really took off between Alabama and Texas.

1754
01:20:40,479 --> 01:20:44,240
Speaker 4: So that that's Isaiah Bond. But he mentioned Judkins. I've

1755
01:20:44,240 --> 01:20:47,679
Speaker 4: watched all these running backs recently. I actually like Treyvon Henderson,

1756
01:20:47,720 --> 01:20:50,400
Speaker 4: the other Ohio State back, a little bit better. But

1757
01:20:50,560 --> 01:20:53,560
Speaker 4: both those guys can play. They'll be second round picks.

1758
01:20:53,520 --> 01:20:56,559
Speaker 2: Curtis and Saint Louis with a year after twenty twenty four.

1759
01:20:56,760 --> 01:21:00,360
Speaker 2: Question for Paul, would you have rather taken say one

1760
01:21:00,400 --> 01:21:04,559
Speaker 2: of Marvin Harrison, Junior Malik Neighbors or Joe alt impaired

1761
01:21:04,600 --> 01:21:08,599
Speaker 2: them with say Shador Sanders or one of this year's

1762
01:21:08,800 --> 01:21:13,000
Speaker 2: free agent veteran quarterbacks that were available, or would you

1763
01:21:13,000 --> 01:21:16,439
Speaker 2: have still taken Drake and be in the current position

1764
01:21:16,600 --> 01:21:19,720
Speaker 2: with the potential options at tackle and wide receivers. So

1765
01:21:19,800 --> 01:21:20,880
Speaker 2: let me get it, so.

1766
01:21:20,920 --> 01:21:23,800
Speaker 5: Last year, be I would take b you would take

1767
01:21:23,840 --> 01:21:25,960
Speaker 5: I would rather have I would rather feel good about

1768
01:21:25,960 --> 01:21:29,160
Speaker 5: my quarterback situation than be searching for it, because I

1769
01:21:29,160 --> 01:21:30,960
Speaker 5: think there's a lot of teams that have good talent

1770
01:21:31,120 --> 01:21:33,160
Speaker 5: and don't have an answer a quarterback that are not

1771
01:21:33,360 --> 01:21:37,879
Speaker 5: very good. Yeah, they're just okay? And how see Pittsburgh Steelers.

1772
01:21:37,920 --> 01:21:39,760
Speaker 3: Do you not want to be sitting here with Joe

1773
01:21:39,840 --> 01:21:42,080
Speaker 3: Alt and trying to figure out, Please Russell Wilson come

1774
01:21:42,080 --> 01:21:42,599
Speaker 3: to New England?

1775
01:21:42,680 --> 01:21:42,800
Speaker 10: Right?

1776
01:21:42,960 --> 01:21:45,120
Speaker 5: Save us? And and by the way, if he comes,

1777
01:21:45,200 --> 01:21:49,840
Speaker 5: he's not saving you. Yeah, Like the the chances are

1778
01:21:50,280 --> 01:21:54,320
Speaker 5: much greater that Drake may becomes an All Pro and

1779
01:21:54,400 --> 01:21:57,599
Speaker 5: that saves you than it is of plugging some veteran

1780
01:21:57,640 --> 01:22:02,439
Speaker 5: in or relying on Shador. In my view, I just

1781
01:22:02,439 --> 01:22:04,479
Speaker 5: don't feel like those quarterbacks are as good as.

1782
01:22:04,320 --> 01:22:08,400
Speaker 3: The class from last Jameis Winston Giants right, not even close.

1783
01:22:09,040 --> 01:22:12,519
Speaker 2: Second question, Evan, Yes, with the addition of Marcus Epps,

1784
01:22:13,240 --> 01:22:15,200
Speaker 2: do you feel he can be a true safety in

1785
01:22:15,400 --> 01:22:18,639
Speaker 2: Rabel's defense or would he be more in the box?

1786
01:22:18,760 --> 01:22:20,559
Speaker 2: And who do you feel he would pair better with?

1787
01:22:20,640 --> 01:22:23,960
Speaker 2: Duggars or Peppers? Also, could you see the Patriots moving

1788
01:22:24,000 --> 01:22:25,200
Speaker 2: on from one of those guys?

1789
01:22:26,439 --> 01:22:30,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, I I think as a flyer, I'm not ready

1790
01:22:30,439 --> 01:22:33,280
Speaker 4: to de pencil him in anyway coming off an injury.

1791
01:22:34,680 --> 01:22:36,840
Speaker 4: You know, he's a good I would say probably more

1792
01:22:36,840 --> 01:22:38,840
Speaker 4: of a free safety, like somebody that's gonna play deep

1793
01:22:38,840 --> 01:22:41,360
Speaker 4: a little bit more. But he's pretty versatile, you know

1794
01:22:41,360 --> 01:22:44,679
Speaker 4: when he was healthy and playing well. But I'm gonna

1795
01:22:44,720 --> 01:22:46,240
Speaker 4: have to see it in training camp with him, and

1796
01:22:46,640 --> 01:22:49,080
Speaker 4: I think you know you have him. They still have

1797
01:22:49,200 --> 01:22:51,160
Speaker 4: Jalen Hawkins brought him by him back.

1798
01:22:51,080 --> 01:22:53,040
Speaker 3: The same time too, similar kind of player too.

1799
01:22:53,240 --> 01:22:54,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I think one of those two guys will

1800
01:22:54,920 --> 01:22:57,320
Speaker 4: probably end up winning a spot. I don't think they

1801
01:22:57,439 --> 01:23:00,920
Speaker 4: want to use a draft pick on a safety. I

1802
01:23:00,960 --> 01:23:05,360
Speaker 4: think they would rather let's see, give Dugger and Pepper's

1803
01:23:05,400 --> 01:23:08,400
Speaker 4: another year and hopefully they're the players we thought they

1804
01:23:08,400 --> 01:23:11,519
Speaker 4: were when we extended them versus what they played like

1805
01:23:12,080 --> 01:23:15,720
Speaker 4: last year. I think that they would prefer to do that.

1806
01:23:15,720 --> 01:23:16,679
Speaker 4: That's just my opinion.

1807
01:23:17,040 --> 01:23:21,160
Speaker 3: But I kind of think Peppers is here to stay now.

1808
01:23:21,600 --> 01:23:22,800
Speaker 3: I think if they were going to get rid of

1809
01:23:22,880 --> 01:23:25,559
Speaker 3: him because of the incident last year, which you know

1810
01:23:25,560 --> 01:23:26,200
Speaker 3: he was clear for.

1811
01:23:27,000 --> 01:23:30,080
Speaker 5: Still, they're clearly not getting rid of him for that incident,

1812
01:23:30,200 --> 01:23:32,680
Speaker 5: but he'd been long gone if they were doing that.

1813
01:23:32,800 --> 01:23:33,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what I mean.

1814
01:23:33,840 --> 01:23:35,960
Speaker 5: I'm not convinced that those two guys will be on

1815
01:23:36,000 --> 01:23:39,439
Speaker 5: the team. One of them will be, but I'm not

1816
01:23:39,479 --> 01:23:40,720
Speaker 5: convinced that both of them will be.

1817
01:23:40,800 --> 01:23:42,559
Speaker 4: I don't know if both of them necessarily need to be,

1818
01:23:42,680 --> 01:23:46,080
Speaker 4: just because the off the team, they are redundant skill sets,

1819
01:23:46,080 --> 01:23:46,679
Speaker 4: Like I think you can.

1820
01:23:46,560 --> 01:23:48,840
Speaker 5: Get away a chance that one of them could go.

1821
01:23:49,040 --> 01:23:51,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, I just think that in terms of using you know,

1822
01:23:51,080 --> 01:23:53,360
Speaker 4: we got a call earlier about you know, Andrew mccuba

1823
01:23:53,479 --> 01:23:55,720
Speaker 4: is going to be a top one hundred pick at safety, Like,

1824
01:23:56,040 --> 01:23:58,360
Speaker 4: I don't know if this is really you're creating more

1825
01:23:58,360 --> 01:24:00,000
Speaker 4: holes in the canoe, right Like if you're starting to

1826
01:24:00,160 --> 01:24:02,280
Speaker 4: pull out the safeties now now, and now all of

1827
01:24:02,280 --> 01:24:03,960
Speaker 4: a sudden, New York, Okay, you're gonna use a top

1828
01:24:04,000 --> 01:24:06,559
Speaker 4: one hundred pick on a safety, and now what about

1829
01:24:06,560 --> 01:24:08,400
Speaker 4: all the other positions that you need that are maybe

1830
01:24:08,439 --> 01:24:11,120
Speaker 4: more pressing. I would much rather them kind of like

1831
01:24:11,120 --> 01:24:15,000
Speaker 4: what they're doing at tight end. You probably have passable

1832
01:24:15,040 --> 01:24:17,160
Speaker 4: safeties right now, So let's just see if it were

1833
01:24:17,600 --> 01:24:18,040
Speaker 4: and Mike.

1834
01:24:17,920 --> 01:24:21,040
Speaker 5: Your chances are you're right, the status will be quo. Yeah,

1835
01:24:21,120 --> 01:24:23,080
Speaker 5: but I wouldn't be stunned if one of those guys.

1836
01:24:23,320 --> 01:24:24,920
Speaker 3: I'm just interested you guys are saying one of those

1837
01:24:24,920 --> 01:24:27,400
Speaker 3: guys implying that maybe you think Kyle Duggar could go.

1838
01:24:27,439 --> 01:24:30,120
Speaker 5: I just, you know, whichever one they can get something for.

1839
01:24:30,400 --> 01:24:31,680
Speaker 5: There was a time where I don't think they're going

1840
01:24:31,720 --> 01:24:33,960
Speaker 5: to release them. There was a time where we wouldn't

1841
01:24:33,960 --> 01:24:36,479
Speaker 5: think of getting rid of Kyle Duggar. So let's get

1842
01:24:36,520 --> 01:24:40,160
Speaker 5: back to that time. Maybe maybe a better front line

1843
01:24:40,320 --> 01:24:43,320
Speaker 5: and more pressure on consistent pressure on the quarterback.

1844
01:24:43,040 --> 01:24:46,400
Speaker 2: Helps him getting him healthy too, and get him healthy

1845
01:24:46,400 --> 01:24:47,760
Speaker 2: maybe the biggest I just.

1846
01:24:47,800 --> 01:24:50,120
Speaker 5: I just think things sometimes pop into your lap that

1847
01:24:50,160 --> 01:24:53,479
Speaker 5: you're not necessarily expecting, you know, And if there was

1848
01:24:53,520 --> 01:24:56,760
Speaker 5: a what if some team looks at Kyle dugla and

1849
01:24:56,800 --> 01:24:59,800
Speaker 5: says he was really banged up last year, the contract

1850
01:24:59,880 --> 01:25:02,599
Speaker 5: is is okay, it's not great, but it's not terrible.

1851
01:25:03,439 --> 01:25:06,040
Speaker 5: I could give something for him, you know something, Maybe

1852
01:25:06,080 --> 01:25:09,280
Speaker 5: I have a surplus somewhere and I could I could

1853
01:25:09,320 --> 01:25:11,640
Speaker 5: trade this or you know, a draft pick for for

1854
01:25:11,760 --> 01:25:16,400
Speaker 5: Kyle Duggar. And you know, the Patriots don't necessarily need

1855
01:25:16,439 --> 01:25:20,960
Speaker 5: two physical box safeties. Maybe they look to get something

1856
01:25:21,000 --> 01:25:21,400
Speaker 5: that they do.

1857
01:25:21,560 --> 01:25:23,160
Speaker 2: Those are the kind of things that could happen, right.

1858
01:25:23,560 --> 01:25:25,880
Speaker 5: I wouldn't suggest they're gonna, you know, year one into

1859
01:25:25,920 --> 01:25:28,800
Speaker 5: a four year deal. Just release them and eat that

1860
01:25:29,120 --> 01:25:31,919
Speaker 5: whatever the dead money is. I don't think that would happen.

1861
01:25:32,640 --> 01:25:35,519
Speaker 2: Nate Chicago, did you guys see Dion and he means

1862
01:25:35,560 --> 01:25:39,000
Speaker 2: Sanders publicly saying we are hoping for New York. I

1863
01:25:39,000 --> 01:25:42,799
Speaker 2: think his endorsement could help force the Giant's hand, especially

1864
01:25:42,840 --> 01:25:45,960
Speaker 2: since Joe Shane and Brian Dabele are on the hot seat.

1865
01:25:46,120 --> 01:25:48,200
Speaker 4: I agree, Well, really.

1866
01:25:48,120 --> 01:25:51,360
Speaker 5: I think the opposite, though I understand what the mentality is.

1867
01:25:51,439 --> 01:25:53,520
Speaker 5: I just feel like, if you're on the hot seat,

1868
01:25:53,920 --> 01:25:56,680
Speaker 5: the last thing you want is unproven rookie who some

1869
01:25:56,720 --> 01:25:58,200
Speaker 5: people think is the second round pick.

1870
01:25:58,680 --> 01:26:01,360
Speaker 4: See. I feel like you almost have no choice, Like

1871
01:26:01,360 --> 01:26:03,960
Speaker 4: if you're stable in Shane, you need to start the clock,

1872
01:26:04,040 --> 01:26:05,880
Speaker 4: Like you need to take a take a risk at

1873
01:26:05,880 --> 01:26:08,719
Speaker 4: one of these quarterbacks at some point and start the clock.

1874
01:26:08,800 --> 01:26:11,040
Speaker 4: And you know, last year they had opportunities to do

1875
01:26:11,080 --> 01:26:13,040
Speaker 4: it too, Like they could have had Penix, they could

1876
01:26:13,040 --> 01:26:15,519
Speaker 4: have had JJ McCarthy, they could have had Nicks. Like

1877
01:26:15,640 --> 01:26:17,920
Speaker 4: at some point you have to take the plunge. And

1878
01:26:18,000 --> 01:26:19,920
Speaker 4: if you keep kicking that can down the road and

1879
01:26:20,040 --> 01:26:22,640
Speaker 4: the you know you're gonna get started getting asked some

1880
01:26:22,720 --> 01:26:24,280
Speaker 4: questions like do you just not have the chops to

1881
01:26:24,400 --> 01:26:25,280
Speaker 4: just go out and do it.

1882
01:26:25,479 --> 01:26:27,160
Speaker 5: I just feel like, if you take Sanders and you

1883
01:26:27,200 --> 01:26:28,160
Speaker 5: win three games, you're going.

1884
01:26:29,080 --> 01:26:31,320
Speaker 4: But if you the alternative, playing jamis on.

1885
01:26:31,600 --> 01:26:33,760
Speaker 5: The alternative is to figure out a way to get

1886
01:26:33,880 --> 01:26:35,360
Speaker 5: Like Russell Wilson, you don't.

1887
01:26:35,200 --> 01:26:37,240
Speaker 2: Think someone Sanders buys them some time.

1888
01:26:37,360 --> 01:26:41,400
Speaker 5: I know, no, no, unless he's if they don't win

1889
01:26:41,439 --> 01:26:41,960
Speaker 5: some games.

1890
01:26:43,000 --> 01:26:44,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, but if they win more games than they did

1891
01:26:44,960 --> 01:26:46,960
Speaker 2: last year and Sanders.

1892
01:26:47,200 --> 01:26:49,880
Speaker 5: I don't think that can happen, Okay, I mean that's

1893
01:26:49,920 --> 01:26:51,439
Speaker 5: just my view. I mean that doesn't mean I'm right.

1894
01:26:51,520 --> 01:26:54,240
Speaker 5: I'm wrong about a million things. I thought my prediction

1895
01:26:54,320 --> 01:26:56,839
Speaker 5: would be Sanders will not win five games.

1896
01:26:56,960 --> 01:27:00,559
Speaker 2: But I always thought that getting that rookie quarterback buys

1897
01:27:00,600 --> 01:27:02,360
Speaker 2: you some time as a head coach.

1898
01:27:02,439 --> 01:27:06,160
Speaker 5: Y it does when you're a new regime. Like I

1899
01:27:06,200 --> 01:27:09,599
Speaker 5: don't think, for example, Tennessee would have to take cam

1900
01:27:09,680 --> 01:27:10,799
Speaker 5: Ward if they didn't want.

1901
01:27:10,600 --> 01:27:14,559
Speaker 2: To, I guess. But they didn't work for right.

1902
01:27:14,680 --> 01:27:17,960
Speaker 5: You know, like everybody uses Atlanta as an example. So

1903
01:27:18,000 --> 01:27:20,439
Speaker 5: they they went and signed Kirk Cousins, and they still

1904
01:27:20,479 --> 01:27:24,760
Speaker 5: drafted Michael Pennix. It's the first year coach. He's not

1905
01:27:24,800 --> 01:27:27,920
Speaker 5: in the hot seat. He can do that. So I

1906
01:27:27,920 --> 01:27:31,120
Speaker 5: think if you sign Russell Wilson or Aaron Rodgers, I

1907
01:27:31,160 --> 01:27:33,679
Speaker 5: know that's unlikely. It looks like Pittsburgh for Aaron Rodgers.

1908
01:27:34,160 --> 01:27:35,920
Speaker 5: But if they signed one of those guys, I don't

1909
01:27:35,920 --> 01:27:37,919
Speaker 5: see how you can then take Shadua Sanders.

1910
01:27:39,200 --> 01:27:42,640
Speaker 4: If I was I would just be they messed up

1911
01:27:42,680 --> 01:27:45,120
Speaker 4: the draft last year. Like Neighbors a great player, but

1912
01:27:45,200 --> 01:27:47,720
Speaker 4: they messed up the draft last year. I'm sure in

1913
01:27:47,760 --> 01:27:50,080
Speaker 4: the eyes of their ownership, they messed it up by

1914
01:27:50,120 --> 01:27:52,559
Speaker 4: passing on Nixon Pennix, Like those two guys look like

1915
01:27:52,560 --> 01:27:54,800
Speaker 4: they can play in the league and they needed a

1916
01:27:54,880 --> 01:27:57,720
Speaker 4: quarterback and they didn't take them. And so if you

1917
01:27:57,720 --> 01:28:00,559
Speaker 4: do that again and Shadora Sanders goes to another team

1918
01:28:00,600 --> 01:28:03,040
Speaker 4: and looks like he can play in the league, you're out.

1919
01:28:03,560 --> 01:28:06,800
Speaker 5: If Sanders can play in the league again, If they're

1920
01:28:06,840 --> 01:28:09,120
Speaker 5: wrong and I'm wrong and he ends up being really

1921
01:28:09,120 --> 01:28:11,479
Speaker 5: good out of the shoot, they're gone.

1922
01:28:11,640 --> 01:28:13,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, Because I think there's a chance he could be

1923
01:28:13,439 --> 01:28:15,720
Speaker 4: really good out of the shoot, like and I say

1924
01:28:15,760 --> 01:28:17,200
Speaker 4: really good, like mac Joe.

1925
01:28:17,280 --> 01:28:20,000
Speaker 5: I think he's so raw. I just don't see it. See.

1926
01:28:20,000 --> 01:28:21,759
Speaker 4: I think it's the opposite. I think that he's actually

1927
01:28:21,840 --> 01:28:23,840
Speaker 4: I mean, he's played a ton of college football.

1928
01:28:23,439 --> 01:28:26,080
Speaker 5: I know, and I think he's right at a high level.

1929
01:28:26,120 --> 01:28:28,200
Speaker 4: He's got a pretty good instinct to him, a pretty

1930
01:28:28,240 --> 01:28:32,000
Speaker 4: good ability to him in terms of his floor. I

1931
01:28:32,080 --> 01:28:34,680
Speaker 4: think a lot of people are just wondering if the

1932
01:28:34,800 --> 01:28:37,120
Speaker 4: athleticism in the arm talent is there for him to

1933
01:28:37,160 --> 01:28:38,439
Speaker 4: have a breakthrough seals.

1934
01:28:38,600 --> 01:28:41,240
Speaker 5: This is a little stubborn polism because Evan's right, that's

1935
01:28:41,280 --> 01:28:44,120
Speaker 5: the way he's viewed. Evans got the viewpoint of most

1936
01:28:44,479 --> 01:28:46,400
Speaker 5: I look at him in a much different way. I

1937
01:28:46,479 --> 01:28:49,719
Speaker 5: think he has talent. I'm intrigued by some of his talent,

1938
01:28:50,479 --> 01:28:51,960
Speaker 5: but I think he's raw, and he breaks a lot

1939
01:28:52,000 --> 01:28:54,759
Speaker 5: of rules and runs around aimlessly, and yeah, he generally

1940
01:28:54,800 --> 01:28:56,680
Speaker 5: points his fingers at the offensive line a lot. That

1941
01:28:57,040 --> 01:28:58,839
Speaker 5: to me, he creates a lot of his own pressure

1942
01:28:59,439 --> 01:29:02,160
Speaker 5: by running round and holding the ball. I think he's

1943
01:29:02,160 --> 01:29:03,720
Speaker 5: really wrong. I think he has a long way to go.

1944
01:29:03,960 --> 01:29:06,720
Speaker 2: Phill in the UK says, if Carter is at four,

1945
01:29:06,800 --> 01:29:10,200
Speaker 2: given the current d line and needs elsewhere, would you

1946
01:29:10,320 --> 01:29:12,479
Speaker 2: look to trade down to pick up a wide receiver,

1947
01:29:12,720 --> 01:29:16,519
Speaker 2: tackle and additional picks? I say no, because you don't

1948
01:29:16,520 --> 01:29:19,679
Speaker 2: have Abdul Carter, right, you don't have that type of rusher.

1949
01:29:20,080 --> 01:29:23,760
Speaker 2: So maybe you have depth on your d line now,

1950
01:29:24,040 --> 01:29:25,559
Speaker 2: but you don't have Abdul Carter.

1951
01:29:26,240 --> 01:29:30,000
Speaker 3: And he's potentially special, a really good fit for what

1952
01:29:30,040 --> 01:29:31,640
Speaker 3: they want to do. I mean, there's a number of

1953
01:29:31,680 --> 01:29:33,960
Speaker 3: things they can do with him. Hey, it just makes

1954
01:29:33,960 --> 01:29:35,680
Speaker 3: too much sense. It hurts that it's not on the

1955
01:29:35,680 --> 01:29:38,760
Speaker 3: offensive side of the ball, but it's kind of like

1956
01:29:38,800 --> 01:29:41,080
Speaker 3: free agency was you got to take what's given to

1957
01:29:41,120 --> 01:29:43,920
Speaker 3: you or what's available. I think that'd be a huge

1958
01:29:43,920 --> 01:29:46,280
Speaker 3: thing moment. If Abdul Carter falls to fourth overall they

1959
01:29:46,280 --> 01:29:48,080
Speaker 3: get a chance to pick him, that would be that'd

1960
01:29:48,120 --> 01:29:48,639
Speaker 3: be pretty cool.

1961
01:29:48,680 --> 01:29:51,360
Speaker 4: I would definitely listen to the trade offers. If you

1962
01:29:51,479 --> 01:29:55,439
Speaker 4: get a Will Anderson like package for Abdull Carter and

1963
01:29:55,560 --> 01:29:58,320
Speaker 4: you can get a Day two pick and a future

1964
01:29:58,320 --> 01:30:01,960
Speaker 4: first round pick for four in the position the Patriots

1965
01:30:01,960 --> 01:30:04,120
Speaker 4: are in, with all the needs that they have, I

1966
01:30:04,160 --> 01:30:07,839
Speaker 4: would definitely listen to it. Would I do it? I'm

1967
01:30:07,880 --> 01:30:10,960
Speaker 4: glad I don't. I'm glad I don't have to make

1968
01:30:11,000 --> 01:30:11,519
Speaker 4: that decision.

1969
01:30:11,640 --> 01:30:13,479
Speaker 5: I haven't given any thoughts to that kind of a

1970
01:30:13,520 --> 01:30:15,880
Speaker 5: package because I don't think that's available. But we also

1971
01:30:15,960 --> 01:30:20,120
Speaker 5: haven't thought about Carter and being available, right, so I

1972
01:30:21,120 --> 01:30:22,920
Speaker 5: hate to somebody wants him that much.

1973
01:30:23,120 --> 01:30:24,599
Speaker 7: Like if somebody wants him that much.

1974
01:30:24,479 --> 01:30:26,120
Speaker 3: You should want him that much, you know.

1975
01:30:26,200 --> 01:30:28,760
Speaker 5: Like Mike god instinct would be to take Carter. I

1976
01:30:28,760 --> 01:30:30,720
Speaker 5: think he's a special player, but maybe he's not. I

1977
01:30:30,720 --> 01:30:31,080
Speaker 5: don't know.

1978
01:30:31,160 --> 01:30:33,000
Speaker 4: Well, I don't even think it has to do with

1979
01:30:33,040 --> 01:30:35,280
Speaker 4: whether he's special or not. I just they have a

1980
01:30:35,280 --> 01:30:38,200
Speaker 4: lot of holes to fill that all over the roster.

1981
01:30:39,520 --> 01:30:41,960
Speaker 4: I wouldn't hate having the extra picks, Like, you know,

1982
01:30:42,080 --> 01:30:45,080
Speaker 4: then you have we're gonna have a first round, you know,

1983
01:30:45,120 --> 01:30:47,439
Speaker 4: later first round pick this year, but you also have

1984
01:30:47,600 --> 01:30:49,559
Speaker 4: you'll have four picks on Day two of the draft,

1985
01:30:50,000 --> 01:30:52,479
Speaker 4: and you'll have two first round picks next year. You

1986
01:30:52,520 --> 01:30:54,320
Speaker 4: know that. So you have a lot of picks to

1987
01:30:54,360 --> 01:30:57,160
Speaker 4: work with, whether that's to pick players or to trade him.

1988
01:30:57,160 --> 01:31:01,559
Speaker 4: It's an intriguing, right, you know, triguing possibile. I just wouldn't.

1989
01:31:01,800 --> 01:31:04,640
Speaker 4: I just wouldn't. Like I don't know, last year when

1990
01:31:04,680 --> 01:31:07,080
Speaker 4: you needed a quarterback, it was different. You weren't going

1991
01:31:07,120 --> 01:31:09,640
Speaker 4: to trade down because you were taking a quarterback. I

1992
01:31:09,680 --> 01:31:11,880
Speaker 4: don't know if any one position player moves the needle

1993
01:31:12,000 --> 01:31:15,160
Speaker 4: enough for me to be completely dismissive of a trade down.

1994
01:31:15,240 --> 01:31:17,280
Speaker 3: I'm excited for this draft though last year it was

1995
01:31:17,320 --> 01:31:21,360
Speaker 3: all right, we just want we just want Jaden Daniels

1996
01:31:21,400 --> 01:31:22,720
Speaker 3: to go, you know, like like I was thinking I

1997
01:31:22,720 --> 01:31:24,519
Speaker 3: wanted Drake. So it just there was really one question

1998
01:31:24,600 --> 01:31:26,320
Speaker 3: because Jade Dale was going to go to Washington.

1999
01:31:26,600 --> 01:31:28,880
Speaker 2: Have you picked up your outfit yet for the draft? No,

2000
01:31:28,960 --> 01:31:32,439
Speaker 2: we got to talk about that second quarters.

2001
01:31:33,800 --> 01:31:37,519
Speaker 4: You want to go out on limb like that, that's bold, it's.

2002
01:31:37,400 --> 01:31:39,439
Speaker 2: Help Rights and fred sis. You didn't like the watch

2003
01:31:39,439 --> 01:31:42,040
Speaker 2: of mccallots. They said way back when, what kind of

2004
01:31:42,040 --> 01:31:44,280
Speaker 2: snack do you in the PU team preferable? Paul and

2005
01:31:44,320 --> 01:31:47,720
Speaker 2: I don't eat snacks anymore. We're off the snacks for

2006
01:31:47,720 --> 01:31:49,880
Speaker 2: a little while, for a little while, so maybe Evan

2007
01:31:49,960 --> 01:31:51,160
Speaker 2: and Deuce can answer the question.

2008
01:31:51,800 --> 01:31:54,120
Speaker 7: Yeah, I like snacks.

2009
01:31:54,320 --> 01:31:56,080
Speaker 4: I'm a I'm a big pretzel guy.

2010
01:31:56,160 --> 01:31:56,839
Speaker 7: I like pretzels.

2011
01:31:56,840 --> 01:31:59,400
Speaker 2: Talking about a pretzels like the kind you get at

2012
01:31:59,439 --> 01:32:01,439
Speaker 2: the at the game, or like.

2013
01:32:01,479 --> 01:32:01,960
Speaker 10: Just no.

2014
01:32:03,520 --> 01:32:10,559
Speaker 4: Snyders, snyders, pretz mustard yeah, yeah, chocolate pretzels, yeah, peanut

2015
01:32:10,600 --> 01:32:15,280
Speaker 4: butterful peanut butter pretzels, candy, sour packers.

2016
01:32:16,320 --> 01:32:16,599
Speaker 3: I love.

2017
01:32:17,800 --> 01:32:20,559
Speaker 2: Heard that they rot your teeth. Sour pas stuff them.

2018
01:32:21,360 --> 01:32:23,000
Speaker 5: They need to tell me, like a piece of like

2019
01:32:23,120 --> 01:32:26,679
Speaker 5: jelly like candy, you know, coated and sugar is bad.

2020
01:32:26,560 --> 01:32:30,400
Speaker 2: For your teeth, but particularly sour of the sour candies

2021
01:32:30,920 --> 01:32:32,479
Speaker 2: are particularly bad for the enameled.

2022
01:32:33,200 --> 01:32:34,160
Speaker 4: Doesn't shock me at all.

2023
01:32:34,400 --> 01:32:36,360
Speaker 2: I'm a big jelly belly like jelly bellies.

2024
01:32:36,680 --> 01:32:41,120
Speaker 5: No, I don't know from jelly bellies, little jelly.

2025
01:32:40,960 --> 01:32:44,040
Speaker 3: Beans, different flavors, and you you're always just playing, like

2026
01:32:44,120 --> 01:32:44,679
Speaker 3: what's the flavor?

2027
01:32:44,720 --> 01:32:48,080
Speaker 4: You know, jelly like chocolates, that's what we're doing. I

2028
01:32:48,280 --> 01:32:53,320
Speaker 4: like oreos double stuff. You gotta go, you gotta but

2029
01:32:53,560 --> 01:32:56,240
Speaker 4: you know, like I have a semi addiction to oreos,

2030
01:32:56,479 --> 01:32:58,320
Speaker 4: so like I have to get them in like the packs,

2031
01:32:58,560 --> 01:33:00,840
Speaker 4: so that I limit myself. Need the whole thing, right

2032
01:33:00,920 --> 01:33:03,920
Speaker 4: because if you gave me a whole box or sleep

2033
01:33:03,960 --> 01:33:05,400
Speaker 4: of oreos there, that's it.

2034
01:33:05,600 --> 01:33:07,200
Speaker 2: You have to anonymous.

2035
01:33:07,400 --> 01:33:08,639
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, no, it's bad.

2036
01:33:08,840 --> 01:33:11,280
Speaker 3: My favorite, my favorite dessert of all time is this

2037
01:33:11,360 --> 01:33:13,600
Speaker 3: Oreo tira Masu that they had at a bakery in

2038
01:33:13,760 --> 01:33:16,840
Speaker 3: La called Sweet Lady Jane, And it was like it's

2039
01:33:16,840 --> 01:33:19,920
Speaker 3: basically just whipped cream and oreos. Maybe like some custard

2040
01:33:19,960 --> 01:33:20,519
Speaker 3: in there or something.

2041
01:33:21,479 --> 01:33:24,400
Speaker 5: It was aw basically an excuse for Deuce to continue

2042
01:33:24,439 --> 01:33:25,200
Speaker 5: to tell us who used.

2043
01:33:25,080 --> 01:33:28,160
Speaker 7: To live in anything with Oreo closed down those Sweet

2044
01:33:28,200 --> 01:33:28,719
Speaker 7: Lady Jane.

2045
01:33:28,560 --> 01:33:36,240
Speaker 4: And season cream ice cream regular, he says.

2046
01:33:36,120 --> 01:33:40,080
Speaker 2: Next Cross, Next, please put together a best of great

2047
01:33:40,160 --> 01:33:44,040
Speaker 2: moments and Pew history downloads. I would pay for hours

2048
01:33:44,080 --> 01:33:47,519
Speaker 2: of listening to that comedy and contentiousness while driving to

2049
01:33:47,600 --> 01:33:50,760
Speaker 2: clinics and sporting and spotting severe weather out here in

2050
01:33:50,800 --> 01:33:55,919
Speaker 2: the Great Plains of Colorado, lastly, and watching Door Sanders

2051
01:33:56,000 --> 01:33:59,160
Speaker 2: Live and via TV. I think he is better then

2052
01:33:59,240 --> 01:34:02,960
Speaker 2: you think. With the prime related publicity throw, I think

2053
01:34:03,000 --> 01:34:04,040
Speaker 2: he will go top three.

2054
01:34:04,800 --> 01:34:06,559
Speaker 5: Well, I think he I think he could very well

2055
01:34:06,640 --> 01:34:08,400
Speaker 5: go in the top three. But he's better than I think.

2056
01:34:08,479 --> 01:34:11,760
Speaker 5: I feel like you guys are higher on him than

2057
01:34:11,800 --> 01:34:13,400
Speaker 5: I am. I think. Don't want to drag you into

2058
01:34:13,479 --> 01:34:15,080
Speaker 5: my viewpoints.

2059
01:34:15,400 --> 01:34:17,360
Speaker 4: The big question with Shador that I have is what

2060
01:34:17,479 --> 01:34:21,679
Speaker 4: you brought up is was he making the offensive line

2061
01:34:21,760 --> 01:34:24,280
Speaker 4: worse or is the offensive line making him worse? Like

2062
01:34:24,360 --> 01:34:29,400
Speaker 4: if you had put him in Oregon's offense, in Texas's offense,

2063
01:34:29,680 --> 01:34:33,120
Speaker 4: in LSU's offense, or whatever, would he have been lighting

2064
01:34:33,120 --> 01:34:34,479
Speaker 4: at the point, you know, would he have been lighting

2065
01:34:34,520 --> 01:34:36,559
Speaker 4: it up like those quarterbacks sid like bo Nix did

2066
01:34:36,920 --> 01:34:39,400
Speaker 4: at Oregon because he's no one ever touches him and

2067
01:34:39,479 --> 01:34:42,400
Speaker 4: he's just standing there. So in the NFL, if he

2068
01:34:42,520 --> 01:34:45,280
Speaker 4: goes to a situation where they can protect him and

2069
01:34:45,439 --> 01:34:47,720
Speaker 4: now he's he is clean to throw the football, I

2070
01:34:48,040 --> 01:34:50,360
Speaker 4: think that there's a nice I'll say this.

2071
01:34:50,680 --> 01:34:52,880
Speaker 5: I hope I'm wrong about Sanders, because I think it

2072
01:34:52,880 --> 01:34:55,519
Speaker 5: would be good for the league to have, you know,

2073
01:34:55,840 --> 01:34:59,479
Speaker 5: especially but well see, no, I think there's there's a

2074
01:34:59,520 --> 01:35:02,360
Speaker 5: little bit similar to what you're talking about. Just there's

2075
01:35:02,360 --> 01:35:05,320
Speaker 5: a there's a personality sure, and I think the aura

2076
01:35:05,400 --> 01:35:08,640
Speaker 5: of Dion I think there'd be some value to that

2077
01:35:09,120 --> 01:35:14,879
Speaker 5: if dos Sanders end up joining you know the classroom

2078
01:35:14,960 --> 01:35:16,960
Speaker 5: last year, that looks like pretty much all the guys

2079
01:35:17,000 --> 01:35:22,040
Speaker 5: that played had some success, not just Daniels. That's good

2080
01:35:22,080 --> 01:35:23,439
Speaker 5: for the league. All of a sudden you have an

2081
01:35:23,439 --> 01:35:26,120
Speaker 5: influx of a half dozen eight or so good young

2082
01:35:26,240 --> 01:35:30,880
Speaker 5: quarterbacks that already, say in three years, when you know

2083
01:35:31,200 --> 01:35:35,000
Speaker 5: those the older guys are starting to get sad.

2084
01:35:35,040 --> 01:35:38,040
Speaker 2: You happen to catch Fanseka on TV last night, the

2085
01:35:38,200 --> 01:35:39,600
Speaker 2: Brazilian tennis player I.

2086
01:35:39,880 --> 01:35:43,000
Speaker 5: Did not what tennis was on on a Monday night

2087
01:35:43,160 --> 01:35:43,679
Speaker 5: Tennis TV.

2088
01:35:44,000 --> 01:35:47,559
Speaker 2: You just want it's the Miami Opens, It's a Master's

2089
01:35:47,600 --> 01:35:48,320
Speaker 2: one thousand, it's.

2090
01:35:48,200 --> 01:35:51,040
Speaker 5: A big tomorrow. I'm not doubting that it's a big tournament.

2091
01:35:51,080 --> 01:35:54,280
Speaker 5: But what I would say is the tennis channel has

2092
01:35:54,360 --> 01:35:57,640
Speaker 5: to get asterisks in the ratings and somehow you're watching it.

2093
01:35:57,720 --> 01:36:02,840
Speaker 5: I have one viewer, right, it's like Patriots unfiltered on TV.

2094
01:36:04,880 --> 01:36:07,240
Speaker 2: This kid is like a rock star. He's like the

2095
01:36:07,360 --> 01:36:08,040
Speaker 2: next big thing.

2096
01:36:08,640 --> 01:36:11,120
Speaker 5: It No, you've you've talked this kid up and then

2097
01:36:11,120 --> 01:36:11,800
Speaker 5: he went on, No, no.

2098
01:36:12,320 --> 01:36:16,160
Speaker 2: You're thinking about's. I don't know what happened to him.

2099
01:36:16,200 --> 01:36:16,880
Speaker 2: He's falling off.

2100
01:36:18,800 --> 01:36:21,000
Speaker 5: Who's the guy who recently you would you were snapping?

2101
01:36:21,840 --> 01:36:25,439
Speaker 2: He got he moved up into the seventies in his

2102
01:36:25,600 --> 01:36:28,320
Speaker 2: ranking and he got to like the quarters. I'm an

2103
01:36:29,600 --> 01:36:32,120
Speaker 2: I watched the Majors a little bit. This kid French

2104
01:36:32,200 --> 01:36:36,599
Speaker 2: is coming up. He's going to be the next big thing.

2105
01:36:36,680 --> 01:36:39,160
Speaker 4: They need the next big thing because like Djokovic is,

2106
01:36:39,280 --> 01:36:40,040
Speaker 4: those guys are getting O.

2107
01:36:40,160 --> 01:36:42,759
Speaker 2: No, there's a lot of good young players. Although Ben Shelton,

2108
01:36:42,960 --> 01:36:44,519
Speaker 2: well I can't stand center is.

2109
01:36:44,520 --> 01:36:50,760
Speaker 18: Saying this guy is the next superstar, which Onelli Francisco, Yeah,

2110
01:36:50,840 --> 01:36:54,200
Speaker 18: I mean center, it probably is him and Alcaraz are

2111
01:36:54,240 --> 01:36:55,240
Speaker 18: the best to right now.

2112
01:36:55,360 --> 01:36:57,439
Speaker 4: Law, I love watching that guy.

2113
01:36:58,880 --> 01:36:59,639
Speaker 2: Josh Atlanta.

2114
01:37:00,439 --> 01:37:01,559
Speaker 5: What an American.

2115
01:37:02,240 --> 01:37:03,559
Speaker 2: There's a lot of good Americans right now.

2116
01:37:03,640 --> 01:37:05,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, just good. There's no great one.

2117
01:37:05,240 --> 01:37:05,920
Speaker 2: Taylor Fritz.

2118
01:37:06,000 --> 01:37:06,599
Speaker 5: Yeah, they're good.

2119
01:37:06,720 --> 01:37:06,920
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2120
01:37:07,360 --> 01:37:09,720
Speaker 5: No, they're always they're always in the no great ones. Yeah,

2121
01:37:09,720 --> 01:37:13,760
Speaker 5: they're always like, you know, quarterfinals, semi final considered great.

2122
01:37:14,479 --> 01:37:16,080
Speaker 5: He was really good, should have been.

2123
01:37:16,120 --> 01:37:19,760
Speaker 2: He won a couple of majors. But Shelton, this kid's

2124
01:37:19,760 --> 01:37:20,920
Speaker 2: got one hundred and fifty.

2125
01:37:21,040 --> 01:37:23,840
Speaker 5: Who was the last great American men's tennis player.

2126
01:37:24,160 --> 01:37:26,080
Speaker 4: Race as Maybe.

2127
01:37:28,600 --> 01:37:33,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, probably probably Sampres. You have to go back that far. Yeah, probably, Yeah,

2128
01:37:33,280 --> 01:37:36,960
Speaker 5: Agasy won a couple of majors. Sampress won like twenty Yeah, I.

2129
01:37:36,960 --> 01:37:38,920
Speaker 2: Would say I guess he was, you know, Hall of

2130
01:37:39,000 --> 01:37:39,720
Speaker 2: Famer good.

2131
01:37:39,920 --> 01:37:44,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, because Sampress Mary Veronica von Uh. That

2132
01:37:44,200 --> 01:37:45,080
Speaker 5: is correct, Yeah, that.

2133
01:37:45,160 --> 01:37:47,320
Speaker 4: Is correct, every time.

2134
01:37:47,479 --> 01:37:47,879
Speaker 10: Erotic.

2135
01:37:48,640 --> 01:37:51,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, she married the never never lived back to them

2136
01:37:52,520 --> 01:37:54,240
Speaker 5: the height, but thanks thanks for listening.

2137
01:37:54,560 --> 01:37:56,120
Speaker 2: Never lived up to the names.

2138
01:37:57,080 --> 01:37:59,440
Speaker 4: I mean, I feel like that was like my generation's

2139
01:37:59,479 --> 01:38:01,480
Speaker 4: Agassi Sampris.

2140
01:38:01,400 --> 01:38:03,120
Speaker 10: And he just it was.

2141
01:38:04,880 --> 01:38:08,320
Speaker 5: Like, I feel like there's more American women that are relevant. Yeah,

2142
01:38:08,560 --> 01:38:10,880
Speaker 5: there's some good men who you know can win.

2143
01:38:11,200 --> 01:38:15,879
Speaker 2: They can this. This young kid learner ten out of Californi.

2144
01:38:15,880 --> 01:38:18,479
Speaker 2: He's really good, so you know he's young.

2145
01:38:18,640 --> 01:38:22,840
Speaker 4: These are young people, the young people American to win

2146
01:38:22,880 --> 01:38:26,160
Speaker 4: the US Open, right, like the women break through and

2147
01:38:26,240 --> 01:38:27,400
Speaker 4: win everyone golf.

2148
01:38:27,560 --> 01:38:28,799
Speaker 2: Just one he's having trouble.

2149
01:38:28,960 --> 01:38:31,479
Speaker 4: Yeah, she's streaky, she's.

2150
01:38:32,080 --> 01:38:34,800
Speaker 5: But Madison Keys won her first major. Didn't you win

2151
01:38:34,880 --> 01:38:36,360
Speaker 5: the Australian Madison Keys.

2152
01:38:36,560 --> 01:38:37,479
Speaker 2: I don't know. I forget.

2153
01:38:38,680 --> 01:38:39,920
Speaker 5: This is worse than I'm lost.

2154
01:38:39,960 --> 01:38:42,760
Speaker 7: When we're talking basketball, we'll get that.

2155
01:38:42,880 --> 01:38:47,160
Speaker 2: There's there's some good women. Yeah. On one of his shows,

2156
01:38:47,760 --> 01:38:51,320
Speaker 2: Barth mentioned that the most frustrating part about the pages

2157
01:38:51,360 --> 01:38:54,360
Speaker 2: drafting gently at four would be not able to see

2158
01:38:54,400 --> 01:38:58,160
Speaker 2: Evans live reaction. Fred, I'm begging you find a way

2159
01:38:58,200 --> 01:39:01,240
Speaker 2: to work, Alex. We will be raft day stream, even

2160
01:39:01,320 --> 01:39:03,720
Speaker 2: if it's via zoom. If there's a chance Barth can

2161
01:39:03,800 --> 01:39:07,920
Speaker 2: witness and comment on the unraveling of Evan Lazar, we'd

2162
01:39:07,960 --> 01:39:10,800
Speaker 2: be eternally grateful. Shout out to Mike forgetting the ball

2163
01:39:10,920 --> 01:39:14,439
Speaker 2: rolling on this conversation. There's a chance However, small Evan

2164
01:39:14,560 --> 01:39:18,040
Speaker 2: is institutionalized if we pick genty, and that's the only

2165
01:39:18,080 --> 01:39:20,559
Speaker 2: way we can justify taking a running back in round one.

2166
01:39:21,040 --> 01:39:22,360
Speaker 2: So he wants to see you in a in a

2167
01:39:23,160 --> 01:39:26,800
Speaker 2: institutional but a lot.

2168
01:39:28,640 --> 01:39:31,080
Speaker 4: But I'm going to be I'll be professional about it

2169
01:39:31,400 --> 01:39:33,680
Speaker 4: and i will save my thoughts for off the air.

2170
01:39:34,200 --> 01:39:35,120
Speaker 5: Oh boy, see the.

2171
01:39:35,120 --> 01:39:37,320
Speaker 7: Real reaction that will be like you see it on Slack.

2172
01:39:37,360 --> 01:39:39,639
Speaker 7: It comes through like a second early, but you're holding

2173
01:39:39,680 --> 01:39:41,040
Speaker 7: it in and what.

2174
01:39:41,080 --> 01:39:42,880
Speaker 2: Spot's playing, you'll see it on slack.

2175
01:39:43,960 --> 01:39:47,600
Speaker 4: He usually does, you know, the media worker room. Angle's

2176
01:39:47,640 --> 01:39:49,559
Speaker 4: not He's not gonna be live on any of the shows.

2177
01:39:50,760 --> 01:39:53,719
Speaker 4: I would assume that they'll have him do spots throughout

2178
01:39:53,720 --> 01:39:53,960
Speaker 4: the night.

2179
01:39:54,200 --> 01:39:55,519
Speaker 2: We can have him as a spot guest.

2180
01:39:55,720 --> 01:39:59,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, come on, absolutely sure, that's I mean, that's not

2181
01:39:59,280 --> 01:39:59,559
Speaker 4: my call.

2182
01:39:59,800 --> 01:40:05,719
Speaker 2: You're sniff there for Framer, I'm.

2183
01:40:07,240 --> 01:40:07,599
Speaker 10: Everyone.

2184
01:40:07,800 --> 01:40:09,400
Speaker 4: He would really get a kick out of out of

2185
01:40:09,439 --> 01:40:12,559
Speaker 4: the draft party. You know, that's that's right up his alley.

2186
01:40:13,000 --> 01:40:13,680
Speaker 4: How cool is this?

2187
01:40:13,960 --> 01:40:15,720
Speaker 2: Like all these people might even actually have a beer

2188
01:40:15,800 --> 01:40:20,599
Speaker 2: and lose it. Yeah, right, exactly, Okay, let's oh, Patty's

2189
01:40:20,640 --> 01:40:22,559
Speaker 2: back on the line. What's up, Patty?

2190
01:40:24,400 --> 01:40:28,680
Speaker 9: Hey, good afternoon, gentlemen, how are you good? I got

2191
01:40:29,000 --> 01:40:32,840
Speaker 9: questions for fred and and for Evan Freddy. I know

2192
01:40:32,960 --> 01:40:35,200
Speaker 9: you said you're not gonna wear the Tucks, but just

2193
01:40:35,280 --> 01:40:38,080
Speaker 9: in case two quarterbacks are taken in the top three,

2194
01:40:38,120 --> 01:40:40,280
Speaker 9: will you at least bring the Tucks to the draft party?

2195
01:40:40,920 --> 01:40:45,800
Speaker 2: The no, no, no, it's it's this doesn't This isn't

2196
01:40:45,840 --> 01:40:49,599
Speaker 2: a Tucks draft. This is a blue collar draft, all right?

2197
01:40:49,680 --> 01:40:53,679
Speaker 9: I gotcha? Fair enough? Heaven a couple of quick ones

2198
01:40:53,760 --> 01:40:56,720
Speaker 9: for you and I'll take him off the air. One

2199
01:40:56,760 --> 01:40:58,280
Speaker 9: of the things I don't think we ever hear about

2200
01:40:58,320 --> 01:41:00,439
Speaker 9: Travis Hunter, just in case he is there. Four, is

2201
01:41:01,080 --> 01:41:02,439
Speaker 9: how good of a separatory is?

2202
01:41:02,520 --> 01:41:02,680
Speaker 5: Then?

2203
01:41:02,840 --> 01:41:05,320
Speaker 9: I'm assuming that you watched the film on them, So

2204
01:41:05,560 --> 01:41:08,040
Speaker 9: if you have, just how good of a separator is?

2205
01:41:08,080 --> 01:41:09,840
Speaker 1: The d question?

2206
01:41:10,000 --> 01:41:10,160
Speaker 2: Two?

2207
01:41:10,479 --> 01:41:12,280
Speaker 9: Out of all the guys that you've watched so far,

2208
01:41:12,360 --> 01:41:14,120
Speaker 9: out of all the wide receivers, who do you think

2209
01:41:14,200 --> 01:41:16,040
Speaker 9: is the best separator? And I'll take it out there, guys.

2210
01:41:16,120 --> 01:41:19,519
Speaker 4: Thanks, Okay, the best separator? That's a good question.

2211
01:41:21,720 --> 01:41:26,960
Speaker 2: So first of all, what's Travis Hunter's reputation? Good separator

2212
01:41:27,120 --> 01:41:27,559
Speaker 2: or not good?

2213
01:41:28,280 --> 01:41:32,000
Speaker 4: I would say above average separator, great ball skills. I've

2214
01:41:32,040 --> 01:41:33,040
Speaker 4: read him the catchpoint.

2215
01:41:33,120 --> 01:41:36,800
Speaker 2: I've seen him make moves that just leave people.

2216
01:41:37,080 --> 01:41:37,599
Speaker 5: In the dust.

2217
01:41:37,720 --> 01:41:40,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, he definitely does separate. I think he's, you know,

2218
01:41:40,520 --> 01:41:44,400
Speaker 4: around the seventieth percentile separation in terms of you know,

2219
01:41:44,479 --> 01:41:47,120
Speaker 4: PFF and stuff like that. He can separate like that.

2220
01:41:47,320 --> 01:41:50,160
Speaker 4: It's not a concern. But I would say his best

2221
01:41:50,240 --> 01:41:53,639
Speaker 4: trade is his ball skills at the catchpoint, strong hands,

2222
01:41:53,800 --> 01:41:57,160
Speaker 4: you know, ability to finish through contact. The best pure

2223
01:41:57,280 --> 01:42:01,479
Speaker 4: separator in the draft, I would say it's probably a

2224
01:42:01,560 --> 01:42:05,920
Speaker 4: two horse race between Matthew Golden and Jalen Noel from

2225
01:42:06,080 --> 01:42:08,080
Speaker 4: Iowa State. I think both those guys are probably the

2226
01:42:08,120 --> 01:42:11,519
Speaker 4: best pure separators in terms of route running technicians, you know,

2227
01:42:11,600 --> 01:42:14,040
Speaker 4: your lad Maconkey's, you know, those types of guys.

2228
01:42:14,960 --> 01:42:15,080
Speaker 6: You know.

2229
01:42:15,160 --> 01:42:17,760
Speaker 4: Golden doesn't necessarily play to the four two nine. I

2230
01:42:17,800 --> 01:42:20,479
Speaker 4: don't think he's that fast, but he's a technician and

2231
01:42:20,600 --> 01:42:24,080
Speaker 4: he's a really good separated. He gets some Stefan Diggs comparisons,

2232
01:42:24,520 --> 01:42:28,160
Speaker 4: you know, for ceiling comparisons, so he definitely gets open.

2233
01:42:28,240 --> 01:42:29,760
Speaker 3: So I just don't think we talk much about like

2234
01:42:29,840 --> 01:42:32,120
Speaker 3: what is Travis Hunter's ceiling as a receiver. As he

2235
01:42:32,240 --> 01:42:34,920
Speaker 3: learns to run routes and learns the nuance of it

2236
01:42:35,040 --> 01:42:36,439
Speaker 3: and really drills down on it.

2237
01:42:36,520 --> 01:42:36,640
Speaker 6: You know.

2238
01:42:36,720 --> 01:42:38,800
Speaker 3: It's one thing to look at him beating everybody, like

2239
01:42:38,840 --> 01:42:40,680
Speaker 3: you guys said earlier, as a pure athlete, but when

2240
01:42:40,720 --> 01:42:44,479
Speaker 3: he really becomes a polished wide receiver, like what does

2241
01:42:44,520 --> 01:42:46,800
Speaker 3: that look like? And that's something you know, you don't

2242
01:42:46,840 --> 01:42:49,920
Speaker 3: really there's a projection there. Even though he's an elite athlete,

2243
01:42:49,960 --> 01:42:50,800
Speaker 3: there's a projection there.

2244
01:42:50,840 --> 01:42:52,240
Speaker 4: And he's only twenty one years old.

2245
01:42:52,360 --> 01:42:55,080
Speaker 2: Well, like Kevin said, in college, he didn't focus on

2246
01:42:55,200 --> 01:42:57,240
Speaker 2: wide receiver, right, So he's.

2247
01:42:57,120 --> 01:43:00,120
Speaker 3: Just out there beating guys on pure, pure skills and

2248
01:43:00,280 --> 01:43:03,840
Speaker 3: speed and explosiveness, not the lab McConkey, who isn't going

2249
01:43:03,880 --> 01:43:05,559
Speaker 3: to set the world on fire with his testing them,

2250
01:43:05,600 --> 01:43:08,559
Speaker 3: but knows the little head dip and the little head

2251
01:43:08,680 --> 01:43:11,320
Speaker 3: you know, and is able to with subtle movements by

2252
01:43:11,439 --> 01:43:12,240
Speaker 3: himself separation.

2253
01:43:12,680 --> 01:43:14,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, he put up twelve hundred yards and

2254
01:43:14,840 --> 01:43:18,400
Speaker 4: sixteen touchdowns on vibes like basically just being the best

2255
01:43:18,439 --> 01:43:21,240
Speaker 4: player on the field. So now imagine we sprinkle in

2256
01:43:21,320 --> 01:43:25,320
Speaker 4: some development and some some you know, wide receiver special

2257
01:43:25,400 --> 01:43:28,000
Speaker 4: work like working on releases, working on the top of

2258
01:43:28,040 --> 01:43:30,799
Speaker 4: the route, like all those different things, all of a sudden.

2259
01:43:31,000 --> 01:43:32,800
Speaker 4: I think it's special the ceiling.

2260
01:43:33,040 --> 01:43:35,240
Speaker 3: Him and Drake late in the down, Drake scrambling a

2261
01:43:35,280 --> 01:43:37,439
Speaker 3: little bit. All of a sudden you get Travis Hunter

2262
01:43:37,920 --> 01:43:39,200
Speaker 3: cooking through the middle of the field.

2263
01:43:40,000 --> 01:43:41,160
Speaker 4: Now you're sticking my language.

2264
01:43:42,040 --> 01:43:49,280
Speaker 2: Eldred's is in North Carolina. Hey, Aldred, Biggie, Hey, all right,

2265
01:43:50,840 --> 01:43:51,799
Speaker 2: I gotta quint.

2266
01:43:52,240 --> 01:43:58,240
Speaker 12: And like I said, there a duke car take them,

2267
01:43:58,840 --> 01:43:59,240
Speaker 12: take them.

2268
01:43:59,479 --> 01:44:01,040
Speaker 19: They didn't trade him in the first round.

2269
01:44:01,120 --> 01:44:02,519
Speaker 20: Get a tackle.

2270
01:44:03,040 --> 01:44:05,639
Speaker 12: But I know everybody won't.

2271
01:44:06,040 --> 01:44:07,000
Speaker 20: Joe Milton gone.

2272
01:44:07,800 --> 01:44:11,519
Speaker 19: So why is everybody, including Brian Hole, keep wanting to

2273
01:44:11,520 --> 01:44:12,040
Speaker 19: get drafted?

2274
01:44:12,320 --> 01:44:14,320
Speaker 20: Want to sit them out, you know, and we need

2275
01:44:14,400 --> 01:44:16,760
Speaker 20: to pack up. I know, but we got job, but

2276
01:44:16,840 --> 01:44:17,760
Speaker 20: I wouldn't trust jobs.

2277
01:44:17,760 --> 01:44:20,280
Speaker 12: I don't have Milton back there backing up, mate.

2278
01:44:21,520 --> 01:44:22,559
Speaker 20: Can anybody have that fortune?

2279
01:44:22,720 --> 01:44:23,240
Speaker 12: Take it off there?

2280
01:44:23,560 --> 01:44:26,320
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, thanks, thanks as got to get back

2281
01:44:26,360 --> 01:44:26,679
Speaker 2: to truck.

2282
01:44:26,720 --> 01:44:28,280
Speaker 3: If anybody wants to get rid of them, I just

2283
01:44:28,320 --> 01:44:31,800
Speaker 3: think they might have er plus asset that you might

2284
01:44:31,840 --> 01:44:34,320
Speaker 3: be able to get something significant. I don't necessarily, but

2285
01:44:34,479 --> 01:44:36,760
Speaker 3: we don't necessarily think you're going to get something super significant.

2286
01:44:36,840 --> 01:44:39,240
Speaker 5: But yeah, but I think people that are interested in

2287
01:44:39,320 --> 01:44:41,720
Speaker 5: trading Milton think they're going to get it like a

2288
01:44:41,760 --> 01:44:42,559
Speaker 5: second or third round.

2289
01:44:42,920 --> 01:44:44,880
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think only they want to trade him if

2290
01:44:44,920 --> 01:44:46,200
Speaker 2: they get something really good.

2291
01:44:46,320 --> 01:44:49,599
Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, what is the Brian Hoyer that I miss?

2292
01:44:49,720 --> 01:44:49,960
Speaker 3: Brian?

2293
01:44:50,000 --> 01:44:51,639
Speaker 4: He must have said something on a podcast.

2294
01:44:51,720 --> 01:44:53,200
Speaker 3: Oh okay, you can't trade that guy.

2295
01:44:54,000 --> 01:44:54,200
Speaker 10: Yeah.

2296
01:44:55,320 --> 01:44:58,600
Speaker 5: I would keep him because if if you think that

2297
01:44:58,680 --> 01:45:02,560
Speaker 5: there might be some potential there, then you hold on

2298
01:45:02,640 --> 01:45:04,960
Speaker 5: to him and you have him as a cheap backup.

2299
01:45:05,120 --> 01:45:08,840
Speaker 2: And then will this be the most anticipated preseason and

2300
01:45:08,960 --> 01:45:10,560
Speaker 2: Hatred's recent history? No?

2301
01:45:10,720 --> 01:45:13,560
Speaker 5: Last year was you have the third overall pick and

2302
01:45:13,560 --> 01:45:14,679
Speaker 5: you couldn't wait to see him play?

2303
01:45:14,800 --> 01:45:15,000
Speaker 2: Yeah?

2304
01:45:16,320 --> 01:45:20,000
Speaker 5: Right, it's gonna be cool too. But what if what

2305
01:45:20,120 --> 01:45:21,600
Speaker 5: if he had a really good preseason?

2306
01:45:22,200 --> 01:45:22,759
Speaker 2: Joe Milton?

2307
01:45:22,880 --> 01:45:25,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, you might be able to might be a pump

2308
01:45:25,960 --> 01:45:26,400
Speaker 5: his value.

2309
01:45:26,400 --> 01:45:27,040
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying.

2310
01:45:27,640 --> 01:45:28,439
Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying too.

2311
01:45:30,280 --> 01:45:30,400
Speaker 3: Uh.

2312
01:45:30,600 --> 01:45:32,280
Speaker 2: Marks in Connecticut? What's up? Mark?

2313
01:45:34,040 --> 01:45:34,280
Speaker 3: Paul?

2314
01:45:34,320 --> 01:45:36,040
Speaker 13: I hope you had a good vacation.

2315
01:45:36,720 --> 01:45:40,679
Speaker 5: I did, thank you. I know the whole show.

2316
01:45:40,760 --> 01:45:43,680
Speaker 11: Did I need you or.

2317
01:45:43,960 --> 01:45:46,200
Speaker 12: Any of you guys to answer this question? We're talking,

2318
01:45:46,760 --> 01:45:49,360
Speaker 12: you know, half an inch on a guy's arm. It

2319
01:45:49,479 --> 01:45:52,840
Speaker 12: doesn't make any sense to me. Will Campbell, you don't

2320
01:45:52,920 --> 01:45:58,000
Speaker 12: block with your arms out, you block with your hands in. No,

2321
01:45:58,240 --> 01:46:00,800
Speaker 12: So what I don't understand is why is it that

2322
01:46:00,880 --> 01:46:02,759
Speaker 12: we're talking about a half an inch if the guy's

2323
01:46:02,800 --> 01:46:04,160
Speaker 12: gonna play tackle a ard.

2324
01:46:04,520 --> 01:46:08,320
Speaker 2: Well that your your your premise is incorrect. When at

2325
01:46:08,880 --> 01:46:11,639
Speaker 2: when you're out the outside of the line, your reach

2326
01:46:11,800 --> 01:46:15,040
Speaker 2: does matter because you you start that way with that

2327
01:46:15,200 --> 01:46:18,000
Speaker 2: initial punch, so you're you, you don't want to get

2328
01:46:18,040 --> 01:46:20,679
Speaker 2: the guy close in. If you're a center a guard,

2329
01:46:21,439 --> 01:46:23,639
Speaker 2: it's that's not as important. But when you're out there

2330
01:46:23,680 --> 01:46:26,280
Speaker 2: on that island, you do need to get your arm

2331
01:46:26,360 --> 01:46:29,200
Speaker 2: out and keep the distance between the rusher and you

2332
01:46:29,360 --> 01:46:31,760
Speaker 2: because if they get close in, then they use your

2333
01:46:31,800 --> 01:46:32,840
Speaker 2: own leverage against you.

2334
01:46:35,240 --> 01:46:37,200
Speaker 12: What is that quarter to what happened? It's really going

2335
01:46:37,280 --> 01:46:37,880
Speaker 12: to make a difference.

2336
01:46:37,880 --> 01:46:39,800
Speaker 2: Well that's the question. That's the question.

2337
01:46:40,720 --> 01:46:43,920
Speaker 5: You know it could. Yeah, NFL coaches believe it.

2338
01:46:44,680 --> 01:46:45,479
Speaker 2: Okay, thanks, And.

2339
01:46:45,600 --> 01:46:47,479
Speaker 4: It's not just like a quarter or a half Inchury

2340
01:46:47,520 --> 01:46:50,240
Speaker 4: have to keep like he's below the threshold that was

2341
01:46:50,360 --> 01:46:53,519
Speaker 4: reset right already. So he used to be thirty four inches,

2342
01:46:53,920 --> 01:46:56,080
Speaker 4: then they reset it to thirty three and now he's

2343
01:46:56,120 --> 01:46:59,320
Speaker 4: even below that threshold, right, So we're not really talking

2344
01:46:59,400 --> 01:47:02,720
Speaker 4: about more like an inch or to an inch and

2345
01:47:02,800 --> 01:47:05,680
Speaker 4: a half that he of ideal armleights, like thirty four

2346
01:47:05,720 --> 01:47:07,960
Speaker 4: is still ideal. You just feel like you can get

2347
01:47:08,000 --> 01:47:08,880
Speaker 4: away with thirty three.

2348
01:47:09,439 --> 01:47:11,640
Speaker 5: And you know the Dante party was.

2349
01:47:11,680 --> 01:47:15,280
Speaker 2: The greatest left tackle with short arms of all time.

2350
01:47:15,439 --> 01:47:19,080
Speaker 4: Well, Joe Thomas had short arms. And you know he

2351
01:47:19,240 --> 01:47:21,479
Speaker 4: always comes out this time of year and tries to

2352
01:47:21,560 --> 01:47:22,720
Speaker 4: advocate for the short arms.

2353
01:47:23,400 --> 01:47:24,400
Speaker 2: But what does that mean short?

2354
01:47:24,680 --> 01:47:26,600
Speaker 4: I want to say thirty three and a half? You

2355
01:47:26,640 --> 01:47:28,200
Speaker 4: know something. You know he was in the thirty three

2356
01:47:28,400 --> 01:47:32,840
Speaker 4: OK range, but he wasn't overly long, like he didn't

2357
01:47:32,880 --> 01:47:37,160
Speaker 4: have like Tyron Smith's level length, you know, and he's

2358
01:47:37,320 --> 01:47:38,800
Speaker 4: maybe the best left tackle of all time.

2359
01:47:39,040 --> 01:47:41,160
Speaker 5: I might be interested in Dante who says that this

2360
01:47:41,280 --> 01:47:43,680
Speaker 5: guy can play tackle if that is accurate with the

2361
01:47:43,880 --> 01:47:47,600
Speaker 5: emailer before said attributed to Dante, and I would I

2362
01:47:47,640 --> 01:47:49,600
Speaker 5: would that would wait, that would mean a lot to me,

2363
01:47:49,880 --> 01:47:53,360
Speaker 5: you know what done Dante feels. But I'm not interested

2364
01:47:53,439 --> 01:47:55,960
Speaker 5: in having a tackle who can play tackle with the

2365
01:47:56,000 --> 01:47:59,479
Speaker 5: fourth pick. I want that tackle to be a dominant tackle.

2366
01:47:59,520 --> 01:48:02,360
Speaker 5: If I'm going to take him fourth, I want Trent Williams,

2367
01:48:03,240 --> 01:48:05,920
Speaker 5: you know, I want like a top and high. You know,

2368
01:48:06,600 --> 01:48:09,400
Speaker 5: someone brought up the fact that you know where I

2369
01:48:09,479 --> 01:48:12,840
Speaker 5: think it was Randy, that we're overlooking a little bit

2370
01:48:12,920 --> 01:48:15,559
Speaker 5: the problems with the short arms. Look at what Joe

2371
01:48:15,600 --> 01:48:18,880
Speaker 5: Toney did. Joe Toney can clearly play tackle in the NFL.

2372
01:48:19,240 --> 01:48:22,320
Speaker 5: He got beaten badly in the Super Bowl, but he

2373
01:48:22,439 --> 01:48:26,479
Speaker 5: played at an acceptable level prior to that. But there

2374
01:48:26,560 --> 01:48:29,600
Speaker 5: is limitations that come with your body type, and you

2375
01:48:29,720 --> 01:48:31,360
Speaker 5: saw that in the Super Bowl. I don't want that

2376
01:48:31,520 --> 01:48:33,960
Speaker 5: with the fourth overall pick. I don't want a guy

2377
01:48:34,000 --> 01:48:37,040
Speaker 5: who can get by because he's good enough to get by,

2378
01:48:37,520 --> 01:48:39,800
Speaker 5: but he's going to get victimized from time to time

2379
01:48:39,920 --> 01:48:42,600
Speaker 5: because his arms are too short. I'm going to use

2380
01:48:42,640 --> 01:48:43,840
Speaker 5: the fourth overall pick on him.

2381
01:48:43,880 --> 01:48:46,120
Speaker 4: I think all these guys have that though, Like I,

2382
01:48:47,200 --> 01:48:50,040
Speaker 4: if you're not getting those two top guys, like you're

2383
01:48:50,120 --> 01:48:53,640
Speaker 4: you're picking from flawed options Like Ted McMillan is not

2384
01:48:53,760 --> 01:48:57,400
Speaker 4: a typical top five receiver. You know, Mason Graham's undersized, well,

2385
01:48:57,439 --> 01:48:59,200
Speaker 4: Campbell's undersize like you know.

2386
01:48:59,280 --> 01:49:01,439
Speaker 5: It just you So it's a problem.

2387
01:49:01,520 --> 01:49:04,000
Speaker 4: It's picked the lesser of the evils, Like which one

2388
01:49:04,240 --> 01:49:06,639
Speaker 4: would you rather? Like, I'm with you if Joe Thomas

2389
01:49:06,760 --> 01:49:08,640
Speaker 4: was in this draft, then obviously we'd be running the

2390
01:49:08,680 --> 01:49:11,320
Speaker 4: card up there at four overall. But that player doesn't

2391
01:49:11,360 --> 01:49:14,280
Speaker 4: exist necessarily in this draft outside of those top two guys.

2392
01:49:14,360 --> 01:49:17,120
Speaker 4: So it's just what you have to pick your poison

2393
01:49:17,160 --> 01:49:19,760
Speaker 4: a little bit with this class of what would you

2394
01:49:19,840 --> 01:49:20,280
Speaker 4: rather live with?

2395
01:49:20,400 --> 01:49:23,000
Speaker 5: Not an easy choice they're gonna have to weigh. I

2396
01:49:23,040 --> 01:49:25,479
Speaker 5: would say anywhere between a half dozen to a dozen

2397
01:49:25,600 --> 01:49:28,439
Speaker 5: guys that I think, as Evan said earlier in the show,

2398
01:49:28,479 --> 01:49:29,519
Speaker 5: you could talk yourself into.

2399
01:49:29,800 --> 01:49:35,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, Bill in San Diego, says Paul exclamations. Agassy won

2400
01:49:35,920 --> 01:49:39,200
Speaker 2: eight majors, four Aussi's, two US, one Wimbledon, one French,

2401
01:49:39,280 --> 01:49:43,160
Speaker 2: plus he won a gold medal. Sampress won fourteen, but

2402
01:49:43,360 --> 01:49:46,519
Speaker 2: no French, no gold medals. Agassy was a much more

2403
01:49:46,640 --> 01:49:47,400
Speaker 2: rounded player.

2404
01:49:47,600 --> 01:49:50,519
Speaker 5: That'sampers is a vastly superior player at August.

2405
01:49:50,560 --> 01:49:52,519
Speaker 2: Sampress couldn't win on slower surfaces.

2406
01:49:52,680 --> 01:49:57,080
Speaker 5: That's like Sampress is a better player than Agassy. As

2407
01:49:57,120 --> 01:49:58,880
Speaker 5: the tennis expert. Please, well, I.

2408
01:49:58,920 --> 01:50:01,960
Speaker 2: Think on those majors he certainly was, but he never

2409
01:50:02,040 --> 01:50:05,000
Speaker 2: won on clay. So but then again, Borg never won

2410
01:50:05,080 --> 01:50:05,719
Speaker 2: the US.

2411
01:50:05,560 --> 01:50:07,559
Speaker 5: Open, so does that mean he wasn't that good. There's

2412
01:50:07,560 --> 01:50:10,240
Speaker 5: a lot of guys that are more suited, like to

2413
01:50:10,720 --> 01:50:11,799
Speaker 5: individual services.

2414
01:50:11,920 --> 01:50:13,720
Speaker 4: But I feel like, if you can't win on clay, Paul,

2415
01:50:13,800 --> 01:50:14,960
Speaker 4: then how good are you?

2416
01:50:15,120 --> 01:50:18,719
Speaker 5: I think it's the opposite. I think clay is the neutral.

2417
01:50:19,800 --> 01:50:22,719
Speaker 5: I think because Sampras was so much better, the clay

2418
01:50:22,800 --> 01:50:25,559
Speaker 5: slowed him down. Yeah, and he had a hard time.

2419
01:50:26,280 --> 01:50:29,519
Speaker 5: I think winning on grass or like the hard course

2420
01:50:29,640 --> 01:50:32,880
Speaker 5: is more impressive than clay. Now they're all great, I

2421
01:50:32,960 --> 01:50:34,760
Speaker 5: mean I'm not. You know, like Rafael on the dollar

2422
01:50:34,800 --> 01:50:38,080
Speaker 5: won how many frenches a million? Like approximately, he's one

2423
01:50:38,080 --> 01:50:40,439
Speaker 5: of the one of the handful of greatest tennis players

2424
01:50:40,439 --> 01:50:44,760
Speaker 5: ever five maybe, and he won how many clays? How

2425
01:50:44,800 --> 01:50:46,040
Speaker 5: many on french tons?

2426
01:50:46,600 --> 01:50:49,160
Speaker 2: He was the ten yeah right, yeah, but he also

2427
01:50:49,240 --> 01:50:50,720
Speaker 2: wanted the US Open, right, you know.

2428
01:50:51,960 --> 01:50:54,000
Speaker 5: I just I feel like Sampras was a far better

2429
01:50:54,000 --> 01:50:56,400
Speaker 5: player than I think Agasy was a lot of flash.

2430
01:50:57,640 --> 01:50:59,479
Speaker 5: Oh no, there was a lot of fun. He was good.

2431
01:50:59,720 --> 01:51:00,280
Speaker 3: He was good.

2432
01:51:00,520 --> 01:51:02,599
Speaker 5: He was Sampras is one of the all time great.

2433
01:51:02,680 --> 01:51:05,639
Speaker 2: Agassy was one of the best returners ever. He ever.

2434
01:51:05,960 --> 01:51:07,439
Speaker 5: I just don't think he was just going to sanprs

2435
01:51:08,040 --> 01:51:10,599
Speaker 5: he does. I don't think that means he don't say

2436
01:51:10,640 --> 01:51:12,519
Speaker 5: he was flash. He was about flash.

2437
01:51:13,479 --> 01:51:15,439
Speaker 2: Why because he had a wig. You know, he wore

2438
01:51:15,439 --> 01:51:15,760
Speaker 2: a wig.

2439
01:51:15,880 --> 01:51:19,840
Speaker 5: He wore a wig, and he had high profile marriages.

2440
01:51:19,520 --> 01:51:21,720
Speaker 2: Back then he was a little bit. He's turned his

2441
01:51:21,800 --> 01:51:22,360
Speaker 2: life around.

2442
01:51:23,600 --> 01:51:26,360
Speaker 4: I got I'm gonna have that with tennis players, you

2443
01:51:26,400 --> 01:51:30,479
Speaker 4: gotta have some bizaz like it's not that's why you

2444
01:51:30,520 --> 01:51:33,599
Speaker 4: know Roger Feederer, you know, like awesome players like fred

2445
01:51:33,720 --> 01:51:36,080
Speaker 4: I like I didn't eat was she.

2446
01:51:36,160 --> 01:51:38,599
Speaker 3: And anything less would be uncivilized? Was that an Angasy?

2447
01:51:38,760 --> 01:51:40,360
Speaker 3: What was Agassy's big ads? He used to do.

2448
01:51:41,920 --> 01:51:44,639
Speaker 2: Agassy's big ads? He probably had something.

2449
01:51:44,680 --> 01:51:46,519
Speaker 5: I'm thinking he had a lot of them. Didn't think

2450
01:51:46,560 --> 01:51:50,400
Speaker 5: he had like a commercial married for a long time.

2451
01:51:50,840 --> 01:51:52,160
Speaker 5: He was with Brookshields before that.

2452
01:51:52,280 --> 01:51:55,480
Speaker 2: Those kids, those kids made it play some tennis Agasy.

2453
01:51:55,200 --> 01:51:58,559
Speaker 5: And they've been married for a while. They actually do pickleball. Now, yeah,

2454
01:51:58,880 --> 01:52:00,599
Speaker 5: I know you probably don't want it like that at all.

2455
01:52:00,640 --> 01:52:03,360
Speaker 5: You don't like the pickle just brushing it and pickle ball, well,

2456
01:52:03,400 --> 01:52:06,240
Speaker 5: they play against other former like there.

2457
01:52:06,000 --> 01:52:12,240
Speaker 7: Was Macelnoy to watch Agasy like just kind of you know,

2458
01:52:12,320 --> 01:52:12,839
Speaker 7: you can't.

2459
01:52:14,880 --> 01:52:15,880
Speaker 5: Smash each other.

2460
01:52:16,080 --> 01:52:18,639
Speaker 2: They were watching Agacy came Agassy had the big.

2461
01:52:19,320 --> 01:52:21,320
Speaker 5: You know he's talking about what he's talking about Pickle,

2462
01:52:22,800 --> 01:52:25,679
Speaker 5: But they smashed at each other. Watch but the balls

2463
01:52:25,880 --> 01:52:28,960
Speaker 5: it doesn't go as fast, but they smashed it.

2464
01:52:30,000 --> 01:52:33,360
Speaker 4: Fred's discussed for pickles.

2465
01:52:33,400 --> 01:52:35,080
Speaker 5: Why throw the bus on that?

2466
01:52:35,240 --> 01:52:37,280
Speaker 2: Watch the good It can be a fast game. It's

2467
01:52:37,400 --> 01:52:38,599
Speaker 2: very you know quick.

2468
01:52:39,760 --> 01:52:42,240
Speaker 5: And I know you're right about Agassy he was. He

2469
01:52:42,439 --> 01:52:44,639
Speaker 5: was great too. I just think Sanprus was a better player.

2470
01:52:44,680 --> 01:52:45,080
Speaker 2: That's fine.

2471
01:52:45,080 --> 01:52:47,760
Speaker 5: And I think it was not really close. Flouteen to

2472
01:52:47,840 --> 01:52:52,439
Speaker 5: eight to me is not close. That's double them up now,

2473
01:52:52,520 --> 01:52:53,080
Speaker 5: that's close.

2474
01:52:53,439 --> 01:52:54,599
Speaker 4: It's definitely not close.

2475
01:52:56,600 --> 01:53:00,600
Speaker 2: Not close game for Paul. Given that Paul said that

2476
01:53:00,640 --> 01:53:03,280
Speaker 2: he wouldn't pick Matt Light at number four, even given

2477
01:53:03,320 --> 01:53:06,240
Speaker 2: his solid career with the Patriots, which of these players

2478
01:53:06,240 --> 01:53:09,360
Speaker 2: would Paul pick at number four? I just had a gyro.

2479
01:53:10,640 --> 01:53:14,240
Speaker 2: You let me be, I might need a bib. Which

2480
01:53:14,280 --> 01:53:16,960
Speaker 2: of these players would Paul pick at number four? Knowing

2481
01:53:17,040 --> 01:53:20,120
Speaker 2: their career path? The caveat is that you either picked

2482
01:53:20,160 --> 01:53:24,320
Speaker 2: them at four or you lose them ty law, I

2483
01:53:24,479 --> 01:53:26,479
Speaker 2: take Tylard for Rodney Harrison.

2484
01:53:28,439 --> 01:53:31,520
Speaker 5: Take Tyler Rodney Harrison at four, but have a little biasedness.

2485
01:53:31,560 --> 01:53:32,320
Speaker 5: They're not gonna lie.

2486
01:53:32,439 --> 01:53:41,160
Speaker 2: Favorite guy Vince Wilfork no, Logan Mankins no, Gronk yes, yes,

2487
01:53:41,720 --> 01:53:49,560
Speaker 2: mccordy no, Wes Welker no, and lastly Drew Bledsoe Yeah, yes, okay.

2488
01:53:49,400 --> 01:53:51,400
Speaker 5: One first, or take him at one.

2489
01:53:51,560 --> 01:53:54,240
Speaker 3: Okay, that's I'm pretty lotched up with you on those ones.

2490
01:53:54,360 --> 01:53:57,400
Speaker 5: That's a great game. That's a great game. Obviously I

2491
01:53:57,400 --> 01:53:59,960
Speaker 5: would take all of those guys. They were all fantas

2492
01:54:00,000 --> 01:54:00,880
Speaker 5: astic draft picks.

2493
01:54:01,160 --> 01:54:04,040
Speaker 3: But overall, you know, you can get another nose tackles,

2494
01:54:04,120 --> 01:54:05,280
Speaker 3: you can find the slot receiver.

2495
01:54:05,920 --> 01:54:08,000
Speaker 5: He left one off there going in the way back machine.

2496
01:54:08,000 --> 01:54:10,880
Speaker 5: Who I actually think was chosen with the fourth overall selection,

2497
01:54:11,400 --> 01:54:12,320
Speaker 5: John Hannah.

2498
01:54:12,320 --> 01:54:16,000
Speaker 3: Ye, different game back then different got a running.

2499
01:54:15,840 --> 01:54:22,320
Speaker 5: Correct correct always cover your back, right, But I.

2500
01:54:23,840 --> 01:54:25,200
Speaker 3: Skinless Chicken, the same thing.

2501
01:54:25,520 --> 01:54:27,320
Speaker 4: But see, I think if it was just you got

2502
01:54:27,360 --> 01:54:30,519
Speaker 4: to adjust to this draft, like Matt Light at four

2503
01:54:30,560 --> 01:54:33,760
Speaker 4: overall in this draft might not be a bad pick.

2504
01:54:34,120 --> 01:54:37,440
Speaker 5: Which is exposing me for being a little bit Paul

2505
01:54:37,600 --> 01:54:41,680
Speaker 5: stubborn and not necessarily taking that into consideration. Yeah, you

2506
01:54:41,760 --> 01:54:44,879
Speaker 5: guys are probably right. The email clearly had an opinion.

2507
01:54:44,960 --> 01:54:47,400
Speaker 5: I think Evan same thing. Yeah, I probably would have

2508
01:54:47,440 --> 01:54:50,680
Speaker 5: to take Matt Light at four in this draft right,

2509
01:54:50,840 --> 01:54:53,880
Speaker 5: in this draft, in this draft, right. So I was

2510
01:54:53,920 --> 01:54:55,879
Speaker 5: probably a little bit rash.

2511
01:54:55,880 --> 01:55:00,320
Speaker 2: With that Jake and Melbourne Australia twelve months on. Knowing

2512
01:55:00,400 --> 01:55:03,080
Speaker 2: what we know about the top three quarterbacks from last

2513
01:55:03,160 --> 01:55:06,120
Speaker 2: year's draft, who would each of the PU crew take

2514
01:55:06,240 --> 01:55:12,200
Speaker 2: if starting their own team. I think his upsides more

2515
01:55:12,280 --> 01:55:15,760
Speaker 2: than Drake May Yep, you do. Yeah, you don't think

2516
01:55:15,800 --> 01:55:19,560
Speaker 2: we've seen what we're going to see out of Jayden Daniels.

2517
01:55:20,920 --> 01:55:23,160
Speaker 2: In other words, better is he gonna get?

2518
01:55:23,160 --> 01:55:28,560
Speaker 5: I think he'll get better as he gets experience ridiculously

2519
01:55:28,640 --> 01:55:30,960
Speaker 5: high level and it's not like he was along for

2520
01:55:31,040 --> 01:55:33,680
Speaker 5: the ride. It wasn't like a mac Jones in twenty

2521
01:55:33,760 --> 01:55:35,960
Speaker 5: one where he was handing the ball off and throwing

2522
01:55:36,000 --> 01:55:36,879
Speaker 5: three yard passes.

2523
01:55:37,120 --> 01:55:38,600
Speaker 4: You can make a case he was a top five

2524
01:55:38,680 --> 01:55:41,760
Speaker 4: quarterback in the league as a rookie, which is crazy.

2525
01:55:42,440 --> 01:55:45,120
Speaker 5: He was a large part of the reason that they

2526
01:55:45,160 --> 01:55:45,600
Speaker 5: were winning.

2527
01:55:47,680 --> 01:55:51,440
Speaker 2: H Nicholas from Oslo, Norway. If the Patriots signed Tyron

2528
01:55:51,480 --> 01:55:53,480
Speaker 2: Smith to a one year contract and kick the can

2529
01:55:53,600 --> 01:55:56,680
Speaker 2: down the road on left tackle, do next year's prospects

2530
01:55:56,760 --> 01:55:57,840
Speaker 2: look better than this year's.

2531
01:55:58,000 --> 01:55:58,720
Speaker 3: Oh boy, it's.

2532
01:55:58,640 --> 01:56:01,720
Speaker 4: Always tough to do that. It's you know, you have

2533
01:56:01,760 --> 01:56:04,240
Speaker 4: a whole another college football season to go, so I

2534
01:56:04,320 --> 01:56:07,480
Speaker 4: couldn't say definitively. I know it's supposed to be a

2535
01:56:07,520 --> 01:56:09,880
Speaker 4: little bit of a better receiver class next year, but

2536
01:56:10,560 --> 01:56:12,920
Speaker 4: not by much. Really. The receiver class everybody's waiting for

2537
01:56:13,080 --> 01:56:15,560
Speaker 4: is two years from now and Jeremiah Smith and Williams

2538
01:56:15,640 --> 01:56:15,960
Speaker 4: come out.

2539
01:56:16,120 --> 01:56:19,040
Speaker 5: So the two like seventeen year old freshman.

2540
01:56:19,320 --> 01:56:22,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's you know, it's too soon to tell.

2541
01:56:23,040 --> 01:56:24,400
Speaker 5: What do we think of Tyrone Smith?

2542
01:56:25,480 --> 01:56:25,960
Speaker 2: I like him.

2543
01:56:26,120 --> 01:56:27,080
Speaker 5: I wanted them last year.

2544
01:56:27,200 --> 01:56:28,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like him for one year.

2545
01:56:29,080 --> 01:56:31,480
Speaker 5: Ye didn't everybody tell me he refused to talk to

2546
01:56:31,520 --> 01:56:32,080
Speaker 5: them last year.

2547
01:56:32,080 --> 01:56:32,400
Speaker 3: I don't know.

2548
01:56:32,480 --> 01:56:33,160
Speaker 2: Oh I didn't hear that.

2549
01:56:34,520 --> 01:56:36,200
Speaker 5: I didn't hear you signed him this year.

2550
01:56:37,080 --> 01:56:39,600
Speaker 2: But I like him this year. But you know, it's

2551
01:56:39,640 --> 01:56:42,120
Speaker 2: not my money, and they have a lot of it.

2552
01:56:42,280 --> 01:56:47,120
Speaker 2: But I wouldn't go over twelve million for him, you know.

2553
01:56:47,240 --> 01:56:50,880
Speaker 2: And I heard it's looking for like eighteen maybe it's

2554
01:56:51,040 --> 01:56:51,320
Speaker 2: going on.

2555
01:56:51,480 --> 01:56:54,920
Speaker 5: So just to play devil's advocate, like, what would your

2556
01:56:55,000 --> 01:56:57,920
Speaker 5: rationale be for not wanting to give him six more million?

2557
01:56:58,160 --> 01:57:01,800
Speaker 2: Locker room culture paying him so much, and then we're

2558
01:57:01,800 --> 01:57:03,480
Speaker 2: going to say that a lot he's gonna he's going

2559
01:57:03,560 --> 01:57:04,760
Speaker 2: to practice two days a week.

2560
01:57:04,840 --> 01:57:07,040
Speaker 5: And but is that a lot eighteen million for a

2561
01:57:07,080 --> 01:57:07,880
Speaker 5: starting left tackle.

2562
01:57:09,000 --> 01:57:11,200
Speaker 2: Well, he's not. He's probably not gonna play every game,

2563
01:57:11,320 --> 01:57:11,680
Speaker 2: you know that.

2564
01:57:12,360 --> 01:57:16,120
Speaker 5: Okay, Well, what if he plays fourteen games? Then I

2565
01:57:16,240 --> 01:57:18,000
Speaker 5: have to maybe recon Morgan Moses.

2566
01:57:18,120 --> 01:57:21,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't. I think Morgan Moses is more durable.

2567
01:57:23,160 --> 01:57:23,880
Speaker 4: It's probably fair.

2568
01:57:24,400 --> 01:57:26,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think at this stage of your career, you're

2569
01:57:26,640 --> 01:57:28,120
Speaker 5: probably not expecting seventeen guys.

2570
01:57:28,360 --> 01:57:30,920
Speaker 2: You don't want to make to manage both. But Tyron Smith,

2571
01:57:31,400 --> 01:57:32,360
Speaker 2: he's been breaking.

2572
01:57:32,160 --> 01:57:34,760
Speaker 5: Down absolutely, You're right. Yeah, I would take him, And

2573
01:57:34,880 --> 01:57:36,600
Speaker 5: I love you know that much. I love I know,

2574
01:57:36,760 --> 01:57:38,360
Speaker 5: I know you do. I would take him in a blank.

2575
01:57:38,360 --> 01:57:39,720
Speaker 5: I would have taken him last year. I think they

2576
01:57:39,840 --> 01:57:41,800
Speaker 5: made a mistake not going after him last year. And

2577
01:57:41,880 --> 01:57:43,840
Speaker 5: didn't you only get like fifteen million last year?

2578
01:57:43,920 --> 01:57:46,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, a lot of his deal last year was incentively

2579
01:57:46,440 --> 01:57:48,720
Speaker 4: and based off of how many games he played, you

2580
01:57:48,760 --> 01:57:49,640
Speaker 4: know that sort of stuff.

2581
01:57:49,680 --> 01:57:51,360
Speaker 2: So, okay, I'm willing to do that.

2582
01:57:51,480 --> 01:57:52,840
Speaker 5: I like the emailer's plan.

2583
01:57:53,080 --> 01:57:56,520
Speaker 2: If he's willing to do an incentive laden contract, let's go.

2584
01:57:56,880 --> 01:57:58,640
Speaker 5: Well, I just give him the money. They have the money.

2585
01:57:58,680 --> 01:57:59,680
Speaker 5: What are we saving it for him?

2586
01:58:00,160 --> 01:58:01,720
Speaker 4: Be the only thing that's left for him. You know,

2587
01:58:01,800 --> 01:58:04,400
Speaker 4: if he had a contract that was full of guaranteed money,

2588
01:58:04,440 --> 01:58:05,680
Speaker 4: I'm sure he would be signed already.

2589
01:58:05,760 --> 01:58:08,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, I would take him. You want to talk about

2590
01:58:08,160 --> 01:58:11,280
Speaker 5: pro to he wants to go to a contender he is,

2591
01:58:11,520 --> 01:58:13,200
Speaker 5: He's the guy. I would take him in a blink.

2592
01:58:13,320 --> 01:58:17,080
Speaker 2: He was made in a lab Gary from Harvard, the town,

2593
01:58:17,200 --> 01:58:19,760
Speaker 2: not the school. For anyone who wants to see any

2594
01:58:20,000 --> 01:58:23,120
Speaker 2: pick trade, I have a question. Should the Patriots propose

2595
01:58:23,160 --> 01:58:25,120
Speaker 2: it before the draft starts or wait to see if

2596
01:58:25,120 --> 01:58:27,720
Speaker 2: anyone offers a better haul once the Patriots are on

2597
01:58:27,760 --> 01:58:30,920
Speaker 2: the clock. Obviously, trading down early risks missing out on

2598
01:58:30,960 --> 01:58:33,200
Speaker 2: a blue chip if two quarterbacks go in the top three.

2599
01:58:33,600 --> 01:58:36,560
Speaker 2: But there are risks in waiting too. All desirable players

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01:58:36,600 --> 01:58:38,600
Speaker 2: are gone, and and one wants to trade, and best

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01:58:38,640 --> 01:58:41,560
Speaker 2: partners do some other trades that disables this one. So

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01:58:41,640 --> 01:58:45,240
Speaker 2: he's talking about strategy. When do you trade picks? What's

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01:58:45,320 --> 01:58:46,000
Speaker 2: the best time.

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01:58:46,440 --> 01:58:48,240
Speaker 3: I think he got to wait with those with Carter

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01:58:48,320 --> 01:58:51,880
Speaker 3: and Hunter, potentially even it's out there that they might fall,

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01:58:51,960 --> 01:58:53,200
Speaker 3: I think he got a wait to see.

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01:58:53,320 --> 01:58:55,560
Speaker 5: I would agree with Mike, and I think in general terms,

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01:58:55,760 --> 01:58:57,760
Speaker 5: the teams have an idea of what's going to happen

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01:58:58,560 --> 01:59:00,800
Speaker 5: that we don't know. They have intel on that.

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Speaker 3: Well, they've all been talking already, right, And I would.

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01:59:03,240 --> 01:59:05,320
Speaker 5: Think that you get the groundwork for a trade done

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Speaker 5: ahead of time, but I wouldn't do it until them.

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01:59:08,200 --> 01:59:11,080
Speaker 2: One of the most hated callers is on the line,

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Speaker 2: Christian from La Christian.

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01:59:14,560 --> 01:59:17,080
Speaker 19: I know right, Christian, I have become the guy that

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01:59:17,160 --> 01:59:21,000
Speaker 19: people want to respond to directly, like the JABRONI last week.

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01:59:21,000 --> 01:59:22,240
Speaker 20: Or who with the hammer?

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01:59:22,280 --> 01:59:23,040
Speaker 2: And who the Briggs?

2619
01:59:23,600 --> 01:59:24,000
Speaker 3: You know what?

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01:59:24,520 --> 01:59:25,080
Speaker 13: What's going on?

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01:59:25,240 --> 01:59:25,480
Speaker 14: Guys?

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Speaker 2: How you doing? Heay?

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01:59:28,120 --> 01:59:31,360
Speaker 20: So here's the thing that my friend was talking yesterday,

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01:59:31,800 --> 01:59:35,440
Speaker 20: and we said, if we took the Patriots teams that

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01:59:36,080 --> 01:59:39,880
Speaker 20: at least made the NFC Championship, and we put togeler

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01:59:39,960 --> 01:59:43,680
Speaker 20: a tournament of just those teams, which team do you

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01:59:43,760 --> 01:59:45,840
Speaker 20: guys think would come out top of the car. You

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01:59:45,880 --> 01:59:48,920
Speaker 20: can't obviously say, you know, the undefeated team besides the

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01:59:49,040 --> 01:59:52,280
Speaker 20: defeated team, which team if we bracketed all the Patriots

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01:59:52,320 --> 01:59:56,320
Speaker 20: teams that made the the AFC Championship, which team do

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01:59:56,360 --> 01:59:57,480
Speaker 20: you guys think would come on top?

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01:59:57,800 --> 01:59:59,240
Speaker 4: Why can't you pick the undefeated team.

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01:59:59,280 --> 02:00:02,880
Speaker 5: You're picking team you won, right, Well, okay, four? Are

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Speaker 5: you asking who I think the best team was that

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Speaker 5: they never had is two thousand and four. In my opinion,

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Speaker 5: it's not so much.

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Speaker 20: About the best team sometimes, right, it's about the team

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02:00:09,760 --> 02:00:12,120
Speaker 20: that would win the game based on styles like some

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02:00:12,280 --> 02:00:13,040
Speaker 20: teams we have more.

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Speaker 5: Two thousand and four. Yeah, four could win anyway anyway

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02:00:15,800 --> 02:00:16,200
Speaker 5: they want.

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02:00:16,600 --> 02:00:18,320
Speaker 2: They once and they could beat you with defense. They

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02:00:18,400 --> 02:00:20,800
Speaker 2: beat you with yours and they were well rounded, like

2644
02:00:21,280 --> 02:00:23,120
Speaker 2: Andre Agassy, they were well, they.

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02:00:23,120 --> 02:00:25,480
Speaker 5: Were well rounded, but not as good as Pete Sampers.

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02:00:25,800 --> 02:00:28,240
Speaker 2: I'm not as good as seven. I take they were

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02:00:28,280 --> 02:00:31,280
Speaker 2: better than seven Pete Samples was better than seven. Four

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02:00:31,320 --> 02:00:33,560
Speaker 2: team Agassy Yeah better than seven?

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02:00:33,800 --> 02:00:35,880
Speaker 19: Yepte?

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Speaker 2: Who's on first?

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02:00:37,720 --> 02:00:40,120
Speaker 19: I got who's the one team?

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02:00:40,880 --> 02:00:41,960
Speaker 2: Who's the one team?

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02:00:42,400 --> 02:00:42,520
Speaker 3: Uh?

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02:00:42,840 --> 02:00:45,280
Speaker 5: They're in the playing tournament with the eighteen team.

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02:00:45,440 --> 02:00:46,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, there you go.

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Speaker 19: But so this thing, you guys know people that directly

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02:00:52,800 --> 02:00:55,600
Speaker 19: better than Augusty just because of records, Like we all

2658
02:00:55,680 --> 02:00:59,560
Speaker 19: know people people viewed Aaron Rodgers as the best quarterback

2659
02:00:59,600 --> 02:01:04,200
Speaker 19: basically ever, mechanically and gil wise, although Tom Brady is

2660
02:01:04,240 --> 02:01:07,480
Speaker 19: the best because he has the most championships, right, No, I.

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02:01:07,520 --> 02:01:10,880
Speaker 5: Think Brady is a better player, Like in those all

2662
02:01:10,920 --> 02:01:12,880
Speaker 5: those things that you're talking about count and when you're

2663
02:01:13,440 --> 02:01:15,880
Speaker 5: categorizing a player, how they play in the clutch, how

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02:01:15,920 --> 02:01:18,000
Speaker 5: they come from behind, how they lead their teams. That

2665
02:01:18,280 --> 02:01:21,000
Speaker 5: that all counts. And Brady's better than Rogers and all

2666
02:01:21,000 --> 02:01:23,880
Speaker 5: those regards. Now, if you want to say best passer,

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02:01:24,400 --> 02:01:26,200
Speaker 5: then you might have an argument that Rogers is the best.

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02:01:26,960 --> 02:01:29,440
Speaker 2: Now you're talking about like Rogers and Marino.

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02:01:29,280 --> 02:01:32,000
Speaker 5: Right, they might. They might throw the ball physically better

2670
02:01:32,040 --> 02:01:34,200
Speaker 5: than Brady George. They're not better quarterbacks than Braid. I

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02:01:34,240 --> 02:01:35,720
Speaker 5: don't think a lot of people think Rogers is a

2672
02:01:35,720 --> 02:01:40,120
Speaker 5: better quarterback than see Jeff George throw good looking, seriously

2673
02:01:40,320 --> 02:01:44,400
Speaker 5: Joe Milton esque, unbelievable, Jeff George.

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02:01:46,920 --> 02:01:50,640
Speaker 2: Thanks Christian, we got to Gotriots two one.

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02:01:51,120 --> 02:01:52,040
Speaker 5: There's an argument for that.

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02:01:52,760 --> 02:01:57,000
Speaker 2: Thanks everyone for listening today, Watching Catch twenty two tomorrow

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02:01:57,080 --> 02:01:57,800
Speaker 2: at noon tomorrow.

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Speaker 5: Visit this tournament on Thursday.

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Speaker 2: What tournament?

2680
02:02:00,880 --> 02:02:03,040
Speaker 5: This Patriots tournament that Christian just came up with.

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02:02:03,200 --> 02:02:05,720
Speaker 2: All right, yeah, and relating it to tennis or not?

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02:02:05,880 --> 02:02:09,919
Speaker 5: Maybe okay, Agacy was better than the tournament than Sampres.

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02:02:10,040 --> 02:02:13,520
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, all right, we'll talk about that on Thursday.

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02:02:13,600 --> 02:02:15,000
Speaker 2: Maybe see you then.

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02:02:16,200 --> 02:02:17,879
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Speaker 21: And I'm usually into the numbers to surprise, Okay, we

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Speaker 21: do this. I'm into the tangible numbers. There's there's time here.

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Speaker 21: Just give me your there's the advantage of that fact

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Speaker 21: you haven't know how to work it. I'm surprised, Like

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Speaker 21: you know, an old man over here. I thought maybe

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Speaker 21: I'd have to show you like a tutorial or something.

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Speaker 5: How am I old man?

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