WEBVTT - You Could Get a Good Swing 0:00:08.245 --> 0:00:24.405 School of humans. This is like being a washer woman, right, 0:00:25.685 --> 0:00:31.005 not my first favorite thing to do a little bit 0:00:31.005 --> 0:00:39.165 of skill. You don't want to scratch anything. So how 0:00:39.165 --> 0:00:41.725 many strokes did the guy did? The guy? The hip 0:00:41.845 --> 0:00:46.525 the lady? With one or two? I hurt somebody pretty bad. 0:00:47.685 --> 0:00:49.525 You can't get swim with one of those legs like 0:00:49.645 --> 0:00:52.445 that I had. You could get a good swing with 0:00:52.525 --> 0:00:56.845 one of those legs, he said, that was an understatement. 0:00:59.125 --> 0:01:01.085 We know that it was a piano leg that is 0:01:01.125 --> 0:01:04.485 suspected to be the murder weapon. According to my source, 0:01:04.885 --> 0:01:08.245 that piano leg was never found. So we're in a 0:01:08.245 --> 0:01:12.045 piano repair shop looking to learn anything we can that 0:01:12.125 --> 0:01:20.685 might help solve the case that haunts us all. In 0:01:20.725 --> 0:01:23.765 September of two thousand and four, twenty two year old 0:01:23.805 --> 0:01:27.125 Rebecca Gould was brutally murdered in a remote area of 0:01:27.125 --> 0:01:31.925 the Arkansas Ozarks. Fourteen years later, her killer is still 0:01:31.965 --> 0:01:35.125 out there. I've come back to Mountain View with one 0:01:35.205 --> 0:01:40.605 mission to get justice for Rebecca. I'm Catherine Townsend, and 0:01:40.645 --> 0:01:52.765 this is Helen Gone narrowing it down in my old age, 0:01:52.805 --> 0:01:55.965 the piano repair shop feels a little bit like a junkyard, 0:01:56.205 --> 0:02:00.565 but with fancy pianos. There's instruments everywhere. If we're gonna 0:02:00.565 --> 0:02:03.205 find out what kind of piano leg killed Rebecca Gold, 0:02:03.565 --> 0:02:05.765 this is the place. So I was wondering, if you know, 0:02:05.805 --> 0:02:07.605 we just could take a look at some of the 0:02:07.765 --> 0:02:09.965 you know, these piano legs here, just the different types 0:02:11.685 --> 0:02:15.365 or something. Turn on the line over there. Rick Cooley 0:02:15.565 --> 0:02:18.125 is the shop owner. He's been working with pianos for 0:02:18.125 --> 0:02:21.125 forty five years, so he knows what he's doing. But 0:02:21.165 --> 0:02:23.165 I think we're the first people to ask him so 0:02:23.205 --> 0:02:26.445 many questions about piano legs. They just don't come off normally. 0:02:27.125 --> 0:02:28.805 You know, they come off if you have to get 0:02:28.845 --> 0:02:30.405 them off, but they're not ready to come off in 0:02:30.405 --> 0:02:33.605 particularly ended up right. Nobody's going to certainly get the 0:02:33.685 --> 0:02:35.525 leg off of bed. There's no way to get it off. 0:02:35.525 --> 0:02:38.005 It screwed to the toe, yeah, so it has to 0:02:38.045 --> 0:02:39.845 be a free leg. But most of them just have 0:02:39.925 --> 0:02:42.365 a bolt down the middle and just screw in there. 0:02:42.885 --> 0:02:44.925 And the French leg that's the one on the left 0:02:44.925 --> 0:02:46.965 where it's more like curR it probably has a couple 0:02:47.005 --> 0:02:48.725 of screws. It'd be hard to screw that one on. 0:02:48.845 --> 0:02:50.605 It might something to do, but most of them just 0:02:50.645 --> 0:02:52.725 have like a bolt that's glued into the leg and 0:02:53.125 --> 0:02:55.045 just screws on. I can see because they kind of 0:02:55.085 --> 0:02:56.845 stick out. So if something were to like hit it 0:02:56.885 --> 0:03:00.405 on the bottom, it would probably that one's kind of 0:03:00.485 --> 0:03:02.605 least it screws on. But I'm not going to take 0:03:02.605 --> 0:03:03.845 it off unless you want to go back and a 0:03:03.845 --> 0:03:06.605 six pag of meer or something. Well, I guess it 0:03:06.685 --> 0:03:09.965 might get break one off, or sometimes they're falling off, 0:03:10.005 --> 0:03:12.845 you know, sometimes the screws stripped out or something. Does 0:03:12.885 --> 0:03:15.725 that happen a lot? Who does what my moves one 0:03:15.765 --> 0:03:17.285 and beats one up, and they lived in a trailer, 0:03:17.285 --> 0:03:20.285 it probably gets pretty beat up. No, I mean imagine this, 0:03:20.325 --> 0:03:22.725 because there's a time somebody's ranch as living room. It 0:03:22.725 --> 0:03:24.245 probably wouldn't be bet up, but in a trailer it 0:03:24.285 --> 0:03:27.765 probably wouldn't be. Console and a spinet has a free leg. 0:03:27.885 --> 0:03:31.045 Usually that's the consoles a little taller, that's the spin it. 0:03:32.005 --> 0:03:34.565 So that's the pianos don't have a free leg once 0:03:34.605 --> 0:03:37.605 they get to be bigger consoles and spin it's that's 0:03:37.605 --> 0:03:40.005 a smaller one. But that's the only two. I said 0:03:40.005 --> 0:03:42.565 that those kind of legs are common to spin its 0:03:42.565 --> 0:03:45.805 and consoles that are verticals. They're all verticals, you know, 0:03:46.205 --> 0:03:48.525 but all ones are big things like that. I see 0:03:48.565 --> 0:03:51.165 they have more of like a top to them, right, 0:03:51.285 --> 0:03:53.645 and they're more that's the old fashioned. Yeah. And how 0:03:53.725 --> 0:03:56.205 much did you you think that a leg like that 0:03:56.325 --> 0:04:02.725 weighs like two three pounds or gosh, like four pounds 0:04:02.805 --> 0:04:06.685 or something like it? Would it could be heavy? A 0:04:06.765 --> 0:04:09.925 baseball is ash, which is a harder word. Would the 0:04:09.925 --> 0:04:12.485 most piano wood would be. I'm sure a baseball that 0:04:12.525 --> 0:04:14.245 probably wait in a little bit longer base on it 0:04:14.405 --> 0:04:17.525 probablyways a little more than a piano or piano leg 0:04:17.605 --> 0:04:20.005 was gonna be met out of just something like birch 0:04:20.125 --> 0:04:22.765 or maple or something probably had listen, I'd let you 0:04:22.845 --> 0:04:40.405 have it, don't. I mean? Have you think somewhere after 0:04:40.525 --> 0:04:42.765 visiting the shop, I feel like we have a clear 0:04:42.885 --> 0:04:46.285 sense of the suspected murder weapon. The piano in Casey's 0:04:46.285 --> 0:04:49.565 house was either a console or spin at piano, the 0:04:49.605 --> 0:04:51.845 smaller kind that can fit up against a wall and 0:04:51.885 --> 0:04:54.925 would fit in a tiny trailer. The legs for these 0:04:54.965 --> 0:04:58.365 pianos are mostly straight and decorative, and in cheaper models 0:04:58.445 --> 0:05:01.845 they just have one screw that connects the leg. Basically 0:05:02.165 --> 0:05:06.405 the legs look like upside down baseball bats, thin and 0:05:06.445 --> 0:05:09.365 they weigh around three to four pounds, light enough to 0:05:09.365 --> 0:05:21.085 pick up and swing, heavy enough to kill someone. Right now, 0:05:21.245 --> 0:05:24.245 we're looking for Chris, a former drug dealer who's been 0:05:24.245 --> 0:05:26.685 in and out of jail his whole life. He's rumored 0:05:26.685 --> 0:05:29.205 to be the cops number one suspect in the murder. 0:05:29.925 --> 0:05:33.365 A police source told me that their working theory is 0:05:33.365 --> 0:05:36.165 that Chris was allegedly high on drugs and he did 0:05:36.165 --> 0:05:40.805 it because Rebecca rejected his sexual advances. I've met Chris before. 0:05:41.245 --> 0:05:44.045 I visited him in jail several years ago. He was 0:05:44.165 --> 0:05:46.885 very cooperative and kind to me back then, but everyone 0:05:46.965 --> 0:05:50.045 keeps warning me that he's a dangerous guy. Plus his 0:05:50.125 --> 0:05:52.925 background and the unpredictability of drugs in general make this 0:05:52.965 --> 0:05:56.885 a scary situation. Finding him won't be easy, but it's 0:05:56.925 --> 0:06:00.005 what we have to do next. While we search for him, 0:06:00.445 --> 0:06:02.845 we need to follow the evidence and see if it 0:06:02.845 --> 0:06:14.365 supports this theory. Since we aren't going to be getting 0:06:14.365 --> 0:06:18.565 the case file, we'll have to find it ourselves. Fortunately, 0:06:18.725 --> 0:06:21.805 we were able to get the autopsy report from Rebecca's dad, Larry, 0:06:22.125 --> 0:06:24.685 along with a lot of other independent medical analysis and 0:06:24.725 --> 0:06:27.805 research he's commissioned over the years. We meet up with 0:06:27.845 --> 0:06:31.085 George Jerry to discuss the autopsy. Because of his reporting 0:06:31.125 --> 0:06:34.205 about Rebecca, George has become close to Rebecca's dad, Larry, 0:06:34.605 --> 0:06:36.565 and he's turning out to be a valuable member of 0:06:36.605 --> 0:06:40.085 our investigative team as well. You realize that every day 0:06:40.165 --> 0:06:42.405 there's at least probably a person who walks through that 0:06:42.445 --> 0:06:45.085 door who has flat out killed somebody in cold blood. 0:06:45.165 --> 0:06:47.965 Nobody knows who they are, and they're smiling at you, 0:06:48.005 --> 0:06:52.565 talking you, acting like nothing happened. It's just really surreal 0:06:52.885 --> 0:06:56.245 that they're out and walking around. What's frustrating about this 0:06:56.325 --> 0:06:59.605 case is if we could just get some basic information, 0:07:00.645 --> 0:07:03.885 I mean, you know, like the police to verify the 0:07:03.925 --> 0:07:07.925 piano leg theory. I mean, you know, we know it's 0:07:07.925 --> 0:07:11.885 probably true. I mean they someone told doctor Gould, because 0:07:11.885 --> 0:07:15.045 if you look at the autopsy report, she died from 0:07:15.085 --> 0:07:18.645 one or two blows to the head. Doctor Gould told 0:07:18.685 --> 0:07:22.405 me it was from a piano leg. Somebody was really 0:07:22.445 --> 0:07:25.285 mad and they hit her with enough force to kill 0:07:25.285 --> 0:07:27.685 her in one or two blows, which even with a 0:07:27.725 --> 0:07:30.925 piano leg, it would take a lot of it would 0:07:30.925 --> 0:07:33.205 take a lot of power. To do it, even for 0:07:33.405 --> 0:07:36.445 a grown man, and you know, you can hit somebody 0:07:36.445 --> 0:07:39.045 in the head with something and not kill them, and 0:07:39.085 --> 0:07:41.525 so for to do it, it must have been very 0:07:42.085 --> 0:07:47.405 anger fueled. Her actual death report, I guess it actually 0:07:47.485 --> 0:07:52.005 says only one blow. Doctor Gould said there he thinks 0:07:52.005 --> 0:07:55.485 there's two because there was like a like a a 0:07:55.565 --> 0:07:58.165 rendering of her skull and there was like some damage 0:07:58.165 --> 0:07:59.205 to another part of it, and he thought it was 0:07:59.205 --> 0:08:03.005 another another hit. But you know, technically she was hitt 0:08:03.005 --> 0:08:04.805 one time and that's that was the death blow. That 0:08:04.845 --> 0:08:10.725 is what actually the autopsy reads. Is a cold document, 0:08:11.165 --> 0:08:14.605 but it still gives me chills. It's almost like I'm 0:08:14.645 --> 0:08:17.765 back in the morgue watching the details of Rebecca's murder 0:08:17.805 --> 0:08:21.325 get poked and prodded by the medical examiner. Weighed out 0:08:21.365 --> 0:08:25.645 with precision written out in terse prose, this twenty two 0:08:25.765 --> 0:08:29.805 year old white female, Rebecca Gould died of blunt force 0:08:29.885 --> 0:08:33.805 injuries of the head. According to investigation. She was last 0:08:33.885 --> 0:08:37.805 independently known alive on Monday, September twenty seventh. By the way, 0:08:37.805 --> 0:08:41.125 that's not right, it's the twentieth that's mistake. At the 0:08:41.165 --> 0:08:43.565 time of her disappearance, she was staying at a friend's 0:08:43.565 --> 0:08:47.485 residence near Melbourne, Arkansas. She was reported missing on September 0:08:47.525 --> 0:08:51.205 twenty first. On September twenty seventh, her body was discovered 0:08:51.245 --> 0:08:54.365 in a ravine along State Highway nine south of Melbourne. 0:08:54.765 --> 0:08:59.125 Death was officially pronounced at ten fifty four am. Identification 0:08:59.205 --> 0:09:02.485 of the decease was established through dental records. A relatively 0:09:02.525 --> 0:09:06.085 high degree of decomposition change was noted. In general, this 0:09:06.205 --> 0:09:08.845 was consistent with death having taken place at or around 0:09:08.845 --> 0:09:11.525 the time of her disappearance. It was further noted that 0:09:11.565 --> 0:09:15.845 the amount of decomposition involving the head was disproportionately advanced 0:09:15.845 --> 0:09:18.765 compared to most of the rest of the body. Overall, 0:09:18.805 --> 0:09:22.005 examination of the body did not reveal any evidence of 0:09:22.045 --> 0:09:25.765 penetrating trauma. There was no evidence of significant blood force 0:09:25.845 --> 0:09:29.565 injury involving the thorax. An assessment for the presence or 0:09:29.565 --> 0:09:32.645 absence of trauma related to sexual assault could not be 0:09:32.765 --> 0:09:36.845 performed due to the advanced degree of decomposition present. In 0:09:36.925 --> 0:09:39.725 light of the suspicious nature of her disappearance, findings at 0:09:39.725 --> 0:09:42.045 the scene, and the nature of her injuries, the manner 0:09:42.085 --> 0:09:46.165 of death is homicide. So yeah, it was a really, 0:09:46.285 --> 0:09:51.325 really really hard hit to the head. Geez, maybe twice. 0:09:51.685 --> 0:09:54.005 It looks like the one super hard hit to the 0:09:54.045 --> 0:09:57.605 temple was something like the piano leg because it cracked 0:09:57.605 --> 0:09:59.205 her skull. That was the one that cracked her skull. 0:10:07.485 --> 0:10:09.645 I noticed the name at the bottom of the autopsy, 0:10:09.925 --> 0:10:13.845 Frank Peretti. He's the medical examiner for the Arkansas State Police, 0:10:14.365 --> 0:10:17.005 and he's actually a bit of a controversial figure because 0:10:17.005 --> 0:10:20.125 he also oversaw the medical examination of the infamous West 0:10:20.205 --> 0:10:24.045 Memphis three case. Larry also paid to have an independent 0:10:24.085 --> 0:10:26.845 review done. It confirms a lot of the details of 0:10:26.885 --> 0:10:31.485 the autopsy, but also has some additional insights. Larry told 0:10:31.565 --> 0:10:34.765 us that Dennis said Rebecca had been sexually assaulted, but 0:10:34.885 --> 0:10:38.485 the autopsy specifically said that certain medical tests could not 0:10:38.565 --> 0:10:40.565 be performed due to the length of time that the 0:10:40.605 --> 0:10:44.445 body had been exposed to the elements. Also, Rebecca was 0:10:44.485 --> 0:10:47.925 wearing her underwear and T shirt that, according to Danielle, 0:10:48.005 --> 0:10:51.485 she often wore to bed. Would a rapist attack someone 0:10:51.525 --> 0:10:54.005 and then put their underwear back on, but not bother 0:10:54.085 --> 0:11:02.245 to redress them. According to friends and family, Rebecca was 0:11:02.245 --> 0:11:04.365 a spitfire who would not back down from a fight. 0:11:05.485 --> 0:11:08.445 In the autopsy, it looks like Rebecca did not have 0:11:08.485 --> 0:11:12.525 defensive wounds. The autopsy mentions that material was taken from 0:11:12.605 --> 0:11:15.725 under her fingernails. The evidence suggests that she was not 0:11:15.845 --> 0:11:19.445 afraid of her killer. The date on the autopsy is wrong, 0:11:19.525 --> 0:11:21.885 but that's most likely a typo. So we have a 0:11:21.965 --> 0:11:24.965 murder weapon and an autopsy report that says Rebecca died 0:11:25.005 --> 0:11:27.205 from one or two blows to the head. But to 0:11:27.285 --> 0:11:29.965 make sure we're leaving no stone unturned, we call a 0:11:30.005 --> 0:11:38.725 neurologist to get their take. Hey, yeah, that's me to 0:11:40.045 --> 0:11:42.045 the left, and we can do one of a couple 0:11:42.085 --> 0:11:46.765 of things. Let's see it. This should be good in here. 0:11:47.485 --> 0:11:52.525 Any blunt trauma in the head can be dangerous. Typically 0:11:52.605 --> 0:11:54.485 when we think about the sort of severe trauma to 0:11:54.525 --> 0:11:57.645 the head that's that ends people's lives, we're thinking about 0:11:58.125 --> 0:12:01.965 bad falls or car accidents or anything like that, and 0:12:02.885 --> 0:12:06.285 usually those types of things cause some injury to the 0:12:06.285 --> 0:12:09.325 whole brain at the same time, sort of diffuse injury 0:12:09.365 --> 0:12:14.605 to the brain from deceleration and rocking around in the skull. However, 0:12:15.085 --> 0:12:18.845 other blood force trauma can can certainly cause injury significant 0:12:18.965 --> 0:12:24.445 enough to cause death. Trauma with a piano leg or 0:12:24.485 --> 0:12:27.445 any sort of you know, blunt instrument could cause bleeding 0:12:27.525 --> 0:12:29.445 on the outside of the brain, either what's called an 0:12:29.485 --> 0:12:33.405 epidural hematoma or a subdural hematoma, and those can put 0:12:33.405 --> 0:12:36.445 pressure on the brain and certainly could could could cause 0:12:36.525 --> 0:12:40.365 death if not recognized in a short period of time. 0:12:40.645 --> 0:12:43.365 So certainly, if it caused that much soft tissue damage 0:12:43.485 --> 0:12:47.685 and caused a skull fracture or you know, a fracture 0:12:47.685 --> 0:12:49.925 of any of the facial bones or anatomy, that certainly 0:12:49.965 --> 0:12:55.005 could be enough to cause death. And are there certain 0:12:55.005 --> 0:12:57.725 parts of the head that that may be more susceptible 0:12:58.325 --> 0:12:59.965 than others, So like if she was maybe hit like 0:12:59.965 --> 0:13:01.285 on the top of the head as opposed to like 0:13:01.325 --> 0:13:04.685 down by the jaw. So in the temple region is 0:13:04.725 --> 0:13:07.965 one area that is susceptible. There's an artery there called 0:13:07.965 --> 0:13:12.725 the middleman ingeal artery that if ruptured, can cause severe 0:13:12.725 --> 0:13:15.325 bleeding on the outside of the brain. And so that 0:13:15.525 --> 0:13:18.165 is one area, especially in a younger person, where we're 0:13:18.245 --> 0:13:21.165 damage that caused a skull fracture could could lead to death. 0:13:21.925 --> 0:13:24.885 I mean that would be the quickest, easiest, like least 0:13:24.925 --> 0:13:28.965 amount of force the two areas. I mean, that would 0:13:28.965 --> 0:13:30.845 be one the other would be at the at the 0:13:30.885 --> 0:13:33.845 base of the at the base of the skull where 0:13:33.845 --> 0:13:38.445 you can do damage to breathing structures and the the 0:13:38.485 --> 0:13:42.525 and the cervical spinal cord and the arteries that the 0:13:42.605 --> 0:13:45.725 vertebral arteries that supply blood to the base of the brain. 0:13:45.805 --> 0:13:49.845 And so that's another area that if if damaged, could 0:13:49.925 --> 0:13:53.645 cause significant, you know, significant injury pretty quickly. So it 0:13:53.725 --> 0:13:56.405 sounds like there was internal bleeding, But what about all 0:13:56.445 --> 0:14:00.165 the blood at the crime scene. So usually when we 0:14:00.205 --> 0:14:02.125 see blood on the outside of the body, that would 0:14:02.125 --> 0:14:05.845 indicate that someone's bleed bleeding from an external source. And 0:14:05.885 --> 0:14:08.765 so there are a number of number of arteries in 0:14:08.805 --> 0:14:11.485 the face and neck area that that if someone was 0:14:11.525 --> 0:14:16.445 bleeding outwardly, they could lose a significant amount of blood. 0:14:16.485 --> 0:14:20.005 That brings up another possibility, which is that that that 0:14:20.085 --> 0:14:24.165 it wasn't the brain injury at all. And that's you know, 0:14:24.285 --> 0:14:27.325 if there was a significant amount of blood, someone could simply, 0:14:27.605 --> 0:14:30.765 you know, lose enough blood volume to not be able 0:14:30.805 --> 0:14:34.725 to circulate blood to their organs. Adam opens a nearby 0:14:34.765 --> 0:14:38.045 textbook and rifles to images of brain injury. Is consistent 0:14:38.045 --> 0:14:45.165 with Rebecca's. Yeah, so this is a skin of something 0:14:45.165 --> 0:14:49.885 called an epidural hematoma. And what I'm looking at here 0:14:49.965 --> 0:14:53.005 is this. You can see there's like a lend shaped 0:14:53.965 --> 0:14:56.925 area that's that's not you don't see it on this side, 0:14:57.045 --> 0:15:00.365 and so the sort of bulges out right there. And 0:15:00.445 --> 0:15:03.605 so what happens is that's that's a hemorrhage that occurs 0:15:04.325 --> 0:15:08.565 between the skull and one of the outer layers of 0:15:08.605 --> 0:15:11.805 the outer coverings of the brain called the dura. And 0:15:11.845 --> 0:15:16.685 that's one that's oftentimes if you have a fracture that 0:15:16.725 --> 0:15:21.125 goes through the middle ninjea artery which runs sort of 0:15:21.165 --> 0:15:24.005 in the temple, sort of in the temple region. That 0:15:24.285 --> 0:15:36.205 that's something that you could see. After talking with Adam, 0:15:36.365 --> 0:15:39.045 it's clear that it is possible to cause enough damage 0:15:39.045 --> 0:15:42.485 to kill someone with one blow, and surprisingly it may 0:15:42.525 --> 0:15:45.565 not have required a significant amount of force. But the 0:15:45.605 --> 0:15:47.885 thing that really bugs me about the autopsy is the 0:15:47.925 --> 0:15:50.805 decomposition of the body and how that relates to the 0:15:50.805 --> 0:15:53.765 timeline of death. We head out to the spot on 0:15:53.845 --> 0:15:57.005 Highway nine where Rebecca's body was found, hopefully that will 0:15:57.005 --> 0:16:04.205 give us some context. There's a bomb, I mean, there's 0:16:04.205 --> 0:16:08.325 a skeleton. See look, and once you get over there, 0:16:09.485 --> 0:16:13.005 it gets really steep. So this area right here is 0:16:13.085 --> 0:16:16.205 a really hilly, remote area. It's near actually a scenic 0:16:16.405 --> 0:16:19.885 like beauty area overlook. It's near a lot of national 0:16:19.925 --> 0:16:24.005 forest land. You look down over like this, So from 0:16:24.045 --> 0:16:27.965 the road there's all this kind of brush and trees 0:16:28.165 --> 0:16:30.805 and yeah, and then you go past that and there's 0:16:30.845 --> 0:16:34.005 this huge rocky drop off and do you know, was 0:16:34.005 --> 0:16:35.805 it on this first drop off or was it on 0:16:35.845 --> 0:16:38.645 this much steeper lower I thought it was on the 0:16:38.645 --> 0:16:41.845 first drop off because a lot of people said you 0:16:41.845 --> 0:16:45.885 could see it from the road. But this would be 0:16:45.925 --> 0:16:49.285 a perfect dump area. Actually, I still think it would 0:16:49.285 --> 0:16:51.525 have been a much better plan actually to bury a 0:16:51.565 --> 0:16:53.685 body in the woods rather than just like because you know, 0:16:53.725 --> 0:16:55.285 it's going to get discovered if you throw it. I mean, 0:16:55.325 --> 0:16:56.605 you know, yeah, it might take a while, but like 0:16:56.645 --> 0:16:59.365 it's going to get discovered. That's what I wonder too, 0:16:59.365 --> 0:17:01.245 if there was something that just like spooked them. They 0:17:01.285 --> 0:17:03.365 were just kind of waiting, hoping to find a better spot, 0:17:03.405 --> 0:17:04.765 and then eventually they were just like, we need to 0:17:04.765 --> 0:17:06.525 get rid of this now, pulled up on the side 0:17:06.525 --> 0:17:09.605 of the road, and then disposed of the body. I 0:17:09.645 --> 0:17:11.645 think so, I mean, I think there's a very I 0:17:11.685 --> 0:17:13.325 think there's a really good chance that it was not 0:17:13.525 --> 0:17:16.645 here for a week, that it was somewhere else. It's 0:17:16.645 --> 0:17:18.645 funny though, like when I first heard about this, like 0:17:18.685 --> 0:17:21.325 before I first came here, they did make it seem 0:17:21.325 --> 0:17:24.645 They're like, oh, it was, you know, visible from the road, 0:17:24.725 --> 0:17:28.485 and as you can see, like not necessarily there's a 0:17:28.525 --> 0:17:33.965 lot of really wild growth and trees, and you know, 0:17:35.045 --> 0:17:37.805 I can see where it would stay hidden. Rebecca's body 0:17:37.885 --> 0:17:40.405 was found close to the road, beside a scenic overlook. 0:17:41.125 --> 0:17:43.525 It's one of the only places on the curvy steep 0:17:43.605 --> 0:17:45.885 road with a shoulder where people can actually pull over 0:17:45.965 --> 0:17:49.685 to check out the views or to dump trash. I'm 0:17:49.725 --> 0:17:51.485 torn about that because I feel like, on the one hand, 0:17:51.765 --> 0:17:53.765 I can totally see how a body could stay hidden 0:17:53.805 --> 0:17:56.365 down there for a week, you know, with my limited 0:17:56.525 --> 0:17:58.245 On the other hand, there were hundreds of people looking, 0:17:58.445 --> 0:18:02.565 and like you said, if it's an obvious garbage drop area, 0:18:02.605 --> 0:18:04.605 wouldn't this be like one of the very first places 0:18:04.605 --> 0:18:08.685 they searched. But some lingering questions remained for me. Was 0:18:08.685 --> 0:18:12.205 Rebecca dumped here immediately after she died, or was she 0:18:12.285 --> 0:18:24.045 kept somewhere else and then moved. I remember hearing from 0:18:24.085 --> 0:18:27.245 several first responders that they saw buzzards circling the site 0:18:27.245 --> 0:18:30.485 where Rebecca's body was found. Maybe that's a clue as 0:18:30.485 --> 0:18:32.965 a woman, Rebecca's body was actually dumped at the Highway 0:18:33.045 --> 0:18:37.605 nine site. So we contact Keith Bildstein, a conservation scientist 0:18:37.685 --> 0:18:40.405 who knows a ton about vultures. I have been into 0:18:40.445 --> 0:18:43.125 the northern part of Arkansas, but I have been into 0:18:43.165 --> 0:18:47.445 the southern part of Missouri, and that's gorgeous hill country. 0:18:48.405 --> 0:18:51.485 Two vultures that occur in that part of the country. 0:18:51.525 --> 0:18:56.045 One is a black vulture, which hunts entirely by sight 0:18:56.645 --> 0:19:00.365 and not by smell, and the other is the turkey vulture, 0:19:00.605 --> 0:19:05.365 which uses both old faction and vision to look carcass. 0:19:05.725 --> 0:19:10.045 Vultures can be pretty persnickety when a new kind of 0:19:10.085 --> 0:19:14.605 carcass occurs in a new area. If it's an If 0:19:14.685 --> 0:19:18.005 it's a typical kind of carcass like the deer, they 0:19:18.125 --> 0:19:21.165 might be more The vultures would be more likely to 0:19:21.205 --> 0:19:24.245 go to something that they're familiar with. It doesn't look 0:19:24.285 --> 0:19:27.925 out of place, that doesn't look strange, that looks more normal. 0:19:28.685 --> 0:19:34.245 If the carcass was unopened, the human carcass, it might 0:19:34.285 --> 0:19:38.805 take a little bit longer for the vultures to locate it. 0:19:39.165 --> 0:19:43.645 The question that you have to ask yourself is not 0:19:44.165 --> 0:19:48.605 the carcass you're thinking of, but how carcasses might have 0:19:48.685 --> 0:19:53.125 been around for the vultures to feed on, because they 0:19:53.165 --> 0:20:08.965 don't like really old meat unless there's no alternative. Over 0:20:09.005 --> 0:20:11.725 the last few days, as we've been investigating the facts 0:20:11.725 --> 0:20:14.485 of the autopsy report, I've been pulling out all the 0:20:14.525 --> 0:20:17.325 stops to try to find Chris. But in a town 0:20:17.365 --> 0:20:20.005 where everyone seems to be afraid of him, that's not 0:20:20.085 --> 0:20:23.725 always easy. I've made inroads with a local source who's 0:20:23.765 --> 0:20:26.645 scared of us even using their voice, and they've just 0:20:26.685 --> 0:20:29.525 given me a lead. During the weekends, Chris has been 0:20:29.605 --> 0:20:32.605 visiting his girlfriend, Cindy, but during the week he's a 0:20:32.725 --> 0:20:36.285 rehab facility in b Branch, Arkansas. And if that's where 0:20:36.285 --> 0:20:43.925 he is, then that's where we're headed. Heads south of 0:20:44.085 --> 0:20:47.165 Blachern Avenue, we're literally driving into the middle of meth 0:20:47.165 --> 0:20:51.605 Storm territory right now. We're driving straight through the heart 0:20:51.645 --> 0:20:54.085 of the part of Arkansas where the documentary meth Storm 0:20:54.125 --> 0:20:56.965 was filmed. This part of Arkansas has been decimated by 0:20:57.005 --> 0:21:01.165 poverty and myth. This is some creepy shit right here. 0:21:01.205 --> 0:21:05.765 Not Oh god, do you think somebody's list there left 0:21:05.925 --> 0:21:11.005 to see? This is? This is Midland, dude. I'm telling you, Wow, 0:21:11.485 --> 0:21:13.725 look at that. Look in there there's like a tree. 0:21:14.245 --> 0:21:18.845 It's like look to the right, look look this is 0:21:19.045 --> 0:21:22.845 this is a broken down nine miles turn left onto 0:21:22.925 --> 0:21:25.125 Highway sixty five. I know we're getting the hell out 0:21:25.165 --> 0:21:28.125 of here. The deeper we get, the scarier it gets, 0:21:28.285 --> 0:21:30.285 and the more I hope my grandmother's twenty year old 0:21:30.325 --> 0:21:33.165 durango does not break down. Okay, if he is at 0:21:33.165 --> 0:21:36.365 this rehab facility, I feel like we have a better chance. 0:21:37.205 --> 0:21:39.885 And wait, he might an area, he might not recognize me. 0:21:39.965 --> 0:21:42.125 But once I say, oh hey, I'm carelessis remember I 0:21:42.165 --> 0:21:44.405 came and saw you in jail, He'll know. I mean, 0:21:44.405 --> 0:21:46.365 how many people who visited right in jail? He'll know 0:21:46.405 --> 0:21:49.685 who I am. Once I say that I did read 0:21:49.725 --> 0:21:53.445 the contract with this one rehabits and b ranch, and 0:21:53.485 --> 0:21:55.325 it sort of said that they were expected to get 0:21:55.405 --> 0:21:59.445 jobs in the community and to you know, work, and 0:22:00.085 --> 0:22:01.965 it had it had this list of kind of like 0:22:02.085 --> 0:22:04.005 rules you fall, But it didn't sound like it was 0:22:05.005 --> 0:22:07.405 in pace, you know what I mean. It sounded more 0:22:07.565 --> 0:22:11.125 like maybe something that you could leave on the weekends. Okay, 0:22:11.125 --> 0:22:13.125 so that was my you answer my question then, like 0:22:13.965 --> 0:22:16.845 could we be at the right place? But he is 0:22:16.845 --> 0:22:19.165 at work, but at this point we don't really know. 0:22:19.285 --> 0:22:21.605 We're not sure of his exact address. We have this 0:22:21.645 --> 0:22:25.325 piece of information, so it's either we have really two 0:22:25.325 --> 0:22:27.125 options now because we don't know any of his friends. 0:22:27.125 --> 0:22:30.125 It's like either we try to go here and get 0:22:30.165 --> 0:22:31.925 him by himself and have a shot at that, or 0:22:31.965 --> 0:22:34.325 we have to try and get to him through Cindy. 0:22:34.365 --> 0:22:37.205 And I feel like that's really hit or miss. So 0:22:37.405 --> 0:22:39.845 I think this is unfortunately, like this is probably the 0:22:39.845 --> 0:22:41.965 best option to try this because if it worked, it 0:22:42.005 --> 0:22:44.685 would be much better than having to try and figure 0:22:44.685 --> 0:22:46.485 out what day is going to be in Mountain View maybe, 0:22:46.605 --> 0:22:50.045 or try to get him through Cindy. Absolutely, this guy 0:22:50.165 --> 0:22:52.925 nobody seems to know where he is, even his people 0:22:52.965 --> 0:22:56.485 are supposed to be his friends. Right. I brought along 0:22:56.525 --> 0:22:58.445 a letter I wrote to Chris, so if we can't 0:22:58.485 --> 0:23:01.045 ambush him, we've still communicated with him and let him 0:23:01.045 --> 0:23:02.845 know we're not a threat. Like if we leave this 0:23:02.925 --> 0:23:04.085 letter for him, but we don't want to leave it. 0:23:04.085 --> 0:23:08.245 If this is the next coming up is up here? Shit, man, 0:23:08.365 --> 0:23:11.565 this is on your right. This place as scary as now. God, 0:23:11.885 --> 0:23:13.965 oh god, damn it, that's him. I'm gonna pull, I'm 0:23:13.965 --> 0:23:20.165 gonna go. Beys fine, Hello, Hey, how's it going? The 0:23:20.205 --> 0:23:23.565 phone rings? It's my source. We're actually in b Branch 0:23:23.645 --> 0:23:30.365 right now. It's looking for Chris. Oh my god, Oh 0:23:30.445 --> 0:23:33.845 my god, are you Mountain View? He's back in Mountain View. No, 0:23:33.965 --> 0:23:35.765 like he's at Sindy's right now working on a truck. 0:23:36.445 --> 0:23:39.605 If he's outside right, Oh my god, this is killing me. 0:23:39.845 --> 0:23:41.405 How long do we How long do we rack to 0:23:41.405 --> 0:23:45.765 Mountain View? Two fifteen? I just really want to get him. 0:23:45.925 --> 0:23:48.485 We can. This might be our only shot. He says. 0:23:48.485 --> 0:23:51.285 He's sitting outside a house where Chris's car is right now. 0:23:52.085 --> 0:23:55.725