WEBVTT - Thinking Sideways: Lake City Quiet Pills 0:00:00.280 --> 0:00:05.480 Thinking Sideways is not brought to you by precariously balanced dishware. Instead, 0:00:05.559 --> 0:00:09.960 it's supported by the generous donations of our listeners on Patreon. 0:00:10.520 --> 0:00:14.080 Visit patreon dot com slash thinking sideways to learn more 0:00:14.440 --> 0:00:29.120 and thanks Thinking Sideways. I don't understand. I'm not stories 0:00:29.200 --> 0:00:34.800 of things we simply don't know the answer too. Hey, guys, 0:00:35.040 --> 0:00:39.760 welcome to another episode of Thinking Sideways the podcast. I'm Devin. 0:00:40.320 --> 0:00:45.680 I'm joined as always by Joe and Steve. I'll let 0:00:45.680 --> 0:00:50.560 them introduce themselves. Guys over there, we're gonna talk about 0:00:50.560 --> 0:00:54.720 a mystery that you probably haven't heard of tonight. It's 0:00:54.720 --> 0:00:59.560 called the Lake City Quiet Pills and strap in because 0:01:00.000 --> 0:01:03.480 won't be a long one. We're going to talk really, 0:01:03.680 --> 0:01:08.039 really really slowly. Yeah. I'm going to talk normal, yeah, okay, 0:01:08.880 --> 0:01:12.759 and with the upwards inflection if you would please slowly yes. 0:01:14.000 --> 0:01:16.559 My interest in this case actually came from a message 0:01:16.600 --> 0:01:19.520 I got on Reddit from user by the name of 0:01:20.080 --> 0:01:25.920 Captain Cannibal. And to be upfront because I know some 0:01:26.080 --> 0:01:29.640 people take issue with this when we do episodes like this. 0:01:30.400 --> 0:01:35.639 This mystery pretty much everything that you actually literally everything 0:01:35.720 --> 0:01:38.080 that you find on it is on Reddit or on 0:01:38.280 --> 0:01:40.959 the actual sources that we're going to talk about. It's 0:01:41.000 --> 0:01:44.240 an Internet based it's an Internet based mystery, but beyond that, 0:01:44.800 --> 0:01:49.160 it's a very obscure inter based, Internet based mystery, so 0:01:49.480 --> 0:01:51.640 that you can't go out. There's not a Wikipedia page 0:01:51.640 --> 0:01:54.880 about this, for instance, right, there's not articles about this. 0:01:55.080 --> 0:01:59.360 There's not a huge amount of information about this mystery. 0:01:59.720 --> 0:02:02.880 So the sources are fairly condensed. But we have gone 0:02:02.920 --> 0:02:06.360 to the actual source. We've done interviews, we did our 0:02:06.400 --> 0:02:09.079 research on this one. Um, as these guys can tell you, 0:02:09.120 --> 0:02:10.639 because I've been talking about it for weeks and weeks 0:02:10.680 --> 0:02:13.840 and weeks, people have been talking about it for years, 0:02:13.880 --> 0:02:16.280 for years and years, and so I just want to 0:02:16.760 --> 0:02:19.600 say that up front, Yes, we're going to talk about 0:02:19.639 --> 0:02:22.120 Reddit a lot, and that's our primary source for this. 0:02:22.680 --> 0:02:26.080 But there's a reason for it. And as far as 0:02:26.120 --> 0:02:29.280 I can tell, this story starts with a Reddit user. 0:02:29.760 --> 0:02:33.160 Weird because it's a Reddit thing. Well, okay, it starts 0:02:33.200 --> 0:02:36.560 with a few Reddit users. Um, Okay, maybe it just 0:02:36.680 --> 0:02:42.400 starts with this user whose name was Zaskawanza saskawan Um. 0:02:42.520 --> 0:02:45.360 But this this user is no longer a user on Reddit. 0:02:45.800 --> 0:02:50.359 Their account has been deleted, and it started innocently enough. 0:02:51.040 --> 0:02:54.880 In two thousand nine, a user it was their first post. 0:02:54.960 --> 0:02:57.399 They made an account to make this post, and their 0:02:57.480 --> 0:03:01.880 user name was to six and they posted user Religion 0:03:01.960 --> 0:03:04.320 of Peace had passed away, and it was reported that 0:03:04.400 --> 0:03:06.799 this user's real name was Milo and that he was 0:03:06.800 --> 0:03:09.880 seventy nine years old. He was described as ornery and mean. 0:03:10.800 --> 0:03:13.239 Um And I wasn't on Reddit at this point in 0:03:13.320 --> 0:03:15.359 the game, but as far as I can tell, it 0:03:15.440 --> 0:03:17.560 was it was. It definitely didn't have nearly as many 0:03:17.600 --> 0:03:20.840 subreddits as it did. The community was much more tighten it. 0:03:21.400 --> 0:03:24.720 Do you remember when did Reddit officially start? I'm trying 0:03:24.760 --> 0:03:29.520 to remember. It was two Yeah, that sounds right, Okay, 0:03:29.560 --> 0:03:31.239 so it was only like a year or so old, 0:03:31.320 --> 0:03:34.480 so it makes sense that it wouldn't be the sprawling 0:03:34.560 --> 0:03:36.920 beast that it is today. Yeah. So, Actually, the big 0:03:37.000 --> 0:03:40.680 thing that happened in in today's history of Reddit Dig. 0:03:40.920 --> 0:03:44.000 Do you guys remember dig that website? There was this 0:03:44.120 --> 0:03:46.480 website that was kind of the precursor to Reddit called 0:03:46.520 --> 0:03:48.960 dig because you could dig it. You could dig it, 0:03:49.520 --> 0:03:52.440 and there's this huge exodus that happened, And I'll be honest, 0:03:52.440 --> 0:03:54.360 I don't remember why, nor did I look it up 0:03:54.560 --> 0:03:58.320 because I don't care, but this huge excedus happened of 0:03:58.440 --> 0:04:02.440 dig and that happened I would see, uh, mid to 0:04:02.640 --> 0:04:06.640 late two thousand nine. So it's just after this whole 0:04:06.720 --> 0:04:09.640 thing kind of got started, and that's when a huge 0:04:09.720 --> 0:04:11.640 influx of users started to come to read it and 0:04:11.720 --> 0:04:13.560 it kind of starts to develop into the community that 0:04:13.640 --> 0:04:17.440 it is today. Got it. So that's where the large 0:04:17.520 --> 0:04:21.400 base of users, a lot of not all of them, certainly, 0:04:21.480 --> 0:04:24.160 but no, I didn't know that. That's interesting, Okay, got it. 0:04:24.760 --> 0:04:29.440 Uh So the news of Milo's death did seem to 0:04:29.520 --> 0:04:31.120 hit a lot of people hard. I guess he was 0:04:31.160 --> 0:04:35.560 a who's a pretty well known user. He had reportedly, 0:04:35.720 --> 0:04:37.359 you know, he was the kind of guy. He enlisted 0:04:37.440 --> 0:04:39.600 at the military at fourteen to fight the Nazis. He 0:04:39.600 --> 0:04:42.040 would like lied about his age. You know, there's a 0:04:42.120 --> 0:04:44.440 lot of lore around this guy. He tells a lot 0:04:44.480 --> 0:04:47.040 of stories. He had set up a fair number of 0:04:47.120 --> 0:04:51.960 people with quote unquote gigs after they left their military service, 0:04:52.520 --> 0:04:54.800 mercenary type jog. Yeah, I don't know that. You know, 0:04:54.920 --> 0:04:58.920 it was kind of the mean, but an enigmatic character. 0:04:59.680 --> 0:05:03.200 I get. Oh. He was also the mod of the 0:05:03.279 --> 0:05:06.280 subreddit jail bait, Our jail bait, and then um our 0:05:06.360 --> 0:05:08.720 real jail jail bait. You may remember there was a 0:05:08.800 --> 0:05:11.279 huge Anderson Cooper controversy. I was going to say, yeah, 0:05:11.440 --> 0:05:15.320 that's not the nicest subreddit ever. Did anybody should ever 0:05:15.400 --> 0:05:19.200 say well, it wasn't it wasn't. I think actually, if 0:05:19.240 --> 0:05:23.280 I recall correctly, the that famous quote about child pornography, 0:05:23.400 --> 0:05:25.280 the I don't know what it is, but I know 0:05:25.400 --> 0:05:27.520 it when I see it quote. Do you remember this? 0:05:28.040 --> 0:05:31.760 There was like a Supreme Court justice who they said, well, 0:05:31.800 --> 0:05:33.400 what is child pornography? And he said, I don't know 0:05:33.440 --> 0:05:34.720 what it is, but I know when I see it. 0:05:34.880 --> 0:05:36.440 I think it was I can't remember who it was, 0:05:36.520 --> 0:05:37.800 but I think it was like, you know what is 0:05:37.839 --> 0:05:40.080 obscenity and I don't. I don't know what obscenity is, 0:05:40.160 --> 0:05:43.320 but I do want to see it. I believe maybe anyway, 0:05:43.440 --> 0:05:46.680 this this whole jail bait and real j jail bait, 0:05:46.839 --> 0:05:51.320 they weren't naked pictures. They were just pictures of attractive, 0:05:51.400 --> 0:05:55.560 underaged girls. That's even worse. Well let's move forward, please. 0:05:56.000 --> 0:06:01.320 So Milo apparently owned this web site called that Old 0:06:01.400 --> 0:06:03.680 Guy's Image Host, which had been set up for him 0:06:03.680 --> 0:06:06.320 by two six, that user that we're talking about two 0:06:06.360 --> 0:06:08.960 seconds ago, and when you set up the account to 0:06:09.200 --> 0:06:11.120 say that he passed to let everybody know that he 0:06:11.200 --> 0:06:14.159 had passed away. Yeah, and that old guy's image host 0:06:14.600 --> 0:06:19.080 was a image hosting site primarily for pornography. But it 0:06:19.160 --> 0:06:21.400 was kind of kind of like Inger a little bit. 0:06:21.560 --> 0:06:23.160 It was just you know, there were a lot out 0:06:23.200 --> 0:06:25.240 there at that time, but they set this one up 0:06:25.279 --> 0:06:28.160 so they wouldn't be restricted by anyone else's rules, or 0:06:28.200 --> 0:06:29.920 I guess Milo set it up so he wouldn't be 0:06:29.960 --> 0:06:32.520 restricted by anyone else's rules except for the fans when 0:06:32.520 --> 0:06:35.800 they catch up with him. Well, it was it was 0:06:36.080 --> 0:06:39.120 child and adult pornography and the only rules were no 0:06:39.240 --> 0:06:42.800 beastiality and no bodily fluids. And the domain name for 0:06:42.920 --> 0:06:47.880 this website was Lake City Quiet Pills dot com. Yeah, 0:06:48.040 --> 0:06:54.240 for reasons unknown users, sas Kuwan started poking around the 0:06:54.400 --> 0:06:56.520 h HMEL. I've heard this is a thing that coders 0:06:56.560 --> 0:06:59.480 do and like just on habit basically as they checked 0:06:59.520 --> 0:07:02.080 the source code. I've actually done it to website to 0:07:02.160 --> 0:07:04.880 see how they did something. But I think on this one, 0:07:04.920 --> 0:07:08.680 you know, some people just kind of they just yeah, 0:07:08.760 --> 0:07:11.280 so he just he just viewed the source code of 0:07:11.360 --> 0:07:13.720 Lake City Quiet Pills dot com and found something odd 0:07:15.000 --> 0:07:19.760 which appeared to be messages like a job posting board, 0:07:20.800 --> 0:07:24.440 and he posted, I'm sorry I should pause here to 0:07:24.480 --> 0:07:27.040 say I'm just assigning the heat pronoun to this user. 0:07:27.640 --> 0:07:31.240 No idea at all, just just assigning that pronoun because 0:07:31.280 --> 0:07:34.800 I guess that's what you do. Anyways, this user posted 0:07:34.840 --> 0:07:37.000 a transcript of the messages that were found in the 0:07:37.120 --> 0:07:41.400 root source on the subreddit WTF and you can still 0:07:41.440 --> 0:07:43.840 see that post today and it does it reads like 0:07:43.880 --> 0:07:47.880 a job board. Um. And a while later, another editor 0:07:48.120 --> 0:07:52.800 dar Roa you stroa was poking around to follow up 0:07:53.000 --> 0:07:59.200 or see interesting things theirselves for the website in the 0:07:59.240 --> 0:08:01.720 source code of the red site yeah, and realized that 0:08:01.840 --> 0:08:05.200 the code actually had been changed to a cipher or 0:08:05.240 --> 0:08:11.360 a number encryption. At this point, user xenophobee was also 0:08:11.440 --> 0:08:14.200 caught up in the case. And um, they were kind 0:08:14.240 --> 0:08:16.600 of the two big posters about this, and this is 0:08:16.720 --> 0:08:18.480 you know, so this was five six years ago and 0:08:18.520 --> 0:08:21.920 they were the two kind of push investigators on this, 0:08:22.240 --> 0:08:25.480 and then about a year ago two new investigators kind 0:08:25.520 --> 0:08:27.640 of came in on this and they were Jason Lee 0:08:27.960 --> 0:08:32.280 and um m das eight four one four. But I'm 0:08:32.360 --> 0:08:36.080 getting a little hold of myself here, Slow down, slow down. 0:08:37.000 --> 0:08:40.520 Five years ago, when all the users started to notice 0:08:40.640 --> 0:08:46.280 these things, they started to post actually really please for help, saying, hey, 0:08:46.360 --> 0:08:48.240 we found this thing. You know what sounds crazy, but 0:08:48.640 --> 0:08:50.679 can you guys help us try and translate it? Can 0:08:50.720 --> 0:08:54.679 you help us investigate it? You know, just it's interesting, 0:08:55.559 --> 0:08:57.480 let's figure out what's going on. And a lot of 0:08:57.600 --> 0:09:00.240 other Reddit users started saying that they thought that it 0:09:00.320 --> 0:09:03.040 was actually an a r G. You guys remember a 0:09:03.200 --> 0:09:08.679 r G S one. Yeah, it's an alternate reality game. Um. 0:09:08.920 --> 0:09:13.080 Oftentimes it's a marketing gimmick that was kind of tried 0:09:13.120 --> 0:09:15.760 to get people to create hype around a thing without 0:09:15.800 --> 0:09:20.360 actually explicitly saying what that thing was. You know, you 0:09:20.480 --> 0:09:23.240 can it's an actual game that people play as well. 0:09:23.640 --> 0:09:25.560 It's not just a marketing gimmick. Well, that's how they 0:09:25.600 --> 0:09:29.080 get people to get excited about it and generate all 0:09:29.120 --> 0:09:32.120 the buzz. Sometimes, yeah, for yeah, like I said, sometimes 0:09:32.200 --> 0:09:35.480 marketing gimmicks. Sometimes it's just an actual game that people play. 0:09:35.880 --> 0:09:39.319 Another user at this point, UM does a google on 0:09:39.480 --> 0:09:42.240 Lake City Quiet Pills, which apparently nobody had done at 0:09:42.280 --> 0:09:45.240 the time. That's why I don't know. That's fine, uh, 0:09:45.440 --> 0:09:49.040 and found some interesting things. This person found that a 0:09:49.320 --> 0:09:51.600 user on farc dot com. You guys remember farc dot 0:09:51.640 --> 0:09:58.240 com really dot com. It was an Internet link cultivating website. 0:09:58.280 --> 0:10:02.840 It just like posted links to funny things that anyways, 0:10:02.920 --> 0:10:06.240 there was a yeah, pretty much. Um, there was a 0:10:06.440 --> 0:10:10.240 user on farc dot com with an address that was 0:10:10.480 --> 0:10:13.720 at Lake City Quiet Pills dot com named angel to six, 0:10:14.040 --> 0:10:16.319 and that user had been posting on farc dot com 0:10:16.520 --> 0:10:21.559 since two thousand one with the slogan of quote dispensing 0:10:21.679 --> 0:10:24.599 Lake City quiet pills to lousy bastards in need of 0:10:24.720 --> 0:10:29.520 permanent rest since nineteen sixty unquote. This this bit of information. 0:10:29.559 --> 0:10:32.560 File it away. It'll be significant when we start talking 0:10:32.559 --> 0:10:36.439 about theories. So that's angel to six since nineteen so 0:10:36.679 --> 0:10:38.319 you must be he must have been born about nineteen 0:10:38.400 --> 0:10:42.280 fifty then, right, yeah, maybe, So what is the I mean, 0:10:42.360 --> 0:10:46.040 we've got the website and now we're finding a statement 0:10:46.120 --> 0:10:48.240 for the same thing of Lake City Quiet Pills. So 0:10:48.440 --> 0:10:51.199 what is the significance of that. The speculation is, and 0:10:51.440 --> 0:10:54.679 I fully agree with this, that a Lake City Quiet 0:10:54.720 --> 0:10:58.840 pill is referring to the Lake City Ammunition Plant, which 0:10:58.920 --> 0:11:03.559 is a US government owned ammunition facility in Independence, Missouri. 0:11:03.920 --> 0:11:06.760 UM and they produce a range of ammunition ammunition for 0:11:06.880 --> 0:11:10.400 the use of the US government, Army, Navy, things like that. 0:11:10.520 --> 0:11:14.720 It's some massive that place, yeah, huge, and gosh, can 0:11:14.760 --> 0:11:17.760 you joe. They produce what produced military m O and 0:11:17.800 --> 0:11:19.559 it's it's not only for the government, but also some 0:11:19.679 --> 0:11:22.439 of it goes to civilian sales. You know, stuff like 0:11:22.520 --> 0:11:25.200 five five six and seven six to which I'm sorry, 0:11:25.240 --> 0:11:28.120 I five five six is a is a is a 0:11:28.240 --> 0:11:31.559 rifle around and choosing the the M four carbing that 0:11:31.640 --> 0:11:34.800 the military uses, Okay, I know, yeah, and then some 0:11:34.960 --> 0:11:37.319 of them, uh you know, the M fourteen and some 0:11:37.440 --> 0:11:39.800 of those rifles are chambered in seven six two, which 0:11:39.840 --> 0:11:42.959 is also known as three away. That's a civilian designation. Okay. 0:11:43.720 --> 0:11:48.160 You know, things like nine millimeter fifty cow twenty millimeter, 0:11:48.240 --> 0:11:51.120 which is the stuff to using in the nose guns 0:11:51.200 --> 0:11:54.559 of fighter jets. Okay, so big guns. Yeah. Again and 0:11:54.800 --> 0:11:57.480 again this goes to the government, but also they sell 0:11:57.600 --> 0:12:02.440 to the civilian market too. Yeah. And we know from 0:12:03.080 --> 0:12:05.560 some talking that we've done with some people that UM 0:12:05.880 --> 0:12:09.120 It's maybe not the most widely used slang term, but 0:12:09.240 --> 0:12:13.079 it is a military slang term to a lot of 0:12:13.160 --> 0:12:17.560 special ops snipers. Quiet pills. Okay, not the Lake City 0:12:17.600 --> 0:12:20.280 party is only because of the munitions yeah factory. Yeah. 0:12:20.360 --> 0:12:23.400 So they use the term quiet pills as kind of 0:12:23.480 --> 0:12:26.640 a tongue in cheek reference to killing somebody. You gotta 0:12:26.640 --> 0:12:28.719 have a sense of humor. You, I think you probably do, 0:12:29.040 --> 0:12:31.440 yeah at some point, and I'm not sure when. It's 0:12:31.440 --> 0:12:34.280 not very clear to me when this happened, but the 0:12:34.400 --> 0:12:39.439 amateur investigators five years ago on Reddit discovered that that 0:12:39.640 --> 0:12:42.800 old guy's image hosting was actually just an image hosting 0:12:42.880 --> 0:12:45.880 site for a larger form site that was called Drunk 0:12:45.920 --> 0:12:51.559 Stepfather dot com. Name Lassie. Yes, it's kind of like 0:12:52.040 --> 0:12:55.160 m Most story listeners can put this in the frame 0:12:55.200 --> 0:12:58.120 of reference of it's Reddit's emger as far as you 0:12:58.200 --> 0:13:01.760 can tell. You know, imger is built as an image 0:13:01.800 --> 0:13:05.040 serving or an image hosting site specifically for Reddit, and 0:13:05.120 --> 0:13:07.520 it seems that that was the case for this Drunk 0:13:07.559 --> 0:13:10.480 Stepfather website as well. So it turns out not every 0:13:10.600 --> 0:13:13.839 user on Drunk step Father was also a user on 0:13:14.000 --> 0:13:17.199 Lake City Quiet Pills, but every user on Lake City 0:13:17.240 --> 0:13:23.640 Quiet Pills was a user on Drunk Stepfather. Yeah, Steve, Steve, Yeah, no, 0:13:23.920 --> 0:13:28.319 I'm I'm visualizing this. Okay. So it's it's like square rectangle, 0:13:28.640 --> 0:13:32.000 got it right? Okay, ye, that makes sense. So Lake City. 0:13:33.400 --> 0:13:36.719 So Lake City Quiet Pills would be the rectangle in 0:13:36.880 --> 0:13:40.240 this and Drunk Stepfather would be the square and Drunk 0:13:40.280 --> 0:13:43.640 step Father would be the rectangle. Okay, got it. Yeah. 0:13:43.960 --> 0:13:46.520 Milo was, as some have put it, kind of like 0:13:46.600 --> 0:13:50.280 the grandfather of the organization that we're referring to as 0:13:50.320 --> 0:13:52.160 the Lake City Quiet Pills. I was thinking of a 0:13:52.280 --> 0:13:56.199 Moore's kind of the Skiezy Dead Mother. Okay, you know, 0:13:56.520 --> 0:13:58.679 whatever works for you. It's a weird portant. Side I 0:13:58.720 --> 0:14:03.680 consider the Skiezy Mother posting a child porn site then yeah. 0:14:04.640 --> 0:14:07.760 Um so, he, along with other key members, were very 0:14:07.800 --> 0:14:13.000 active members of the Drunk Stepfather forum. Milo was the 0:14:13.040 --> 0:14:16.599 old guy that that Old Guy's image host was referring to. 0:14:16.920 --> 0:14:19.440 He owned the site as far as we can tell 0:14:20.640 --> 0:14:24.000 via the chats on the forum. He owned it at 0:14:24.080 --> 0:14:26.280 least for a while, and he was the runner of it, 0:14:26.880 --> 0:14:29.000 I guess, as far as we can tell. And we'll 0:14:29.000 --> 0:14:31.040 get a little more into this because there was a 0:14:31.120 --> 0:14:32.760 who is that was run and we'll talk I was 0:14:32.760 --> 0:14:35.360 going to ask about who is? Okay, and I haven't 0:14:35.520 --> 0:14:40.080 mentioned this yet. Lake City Quiet Pills no longer exists. 0:14:40.560 --> 0:14:43.280 It's gone defunct. It's a defunct website. It's gone defunct 0:14:43.280 --> 0:14:45.440 in the last year. It's actually probably a good thing 0:14:45.560 --> 0:14:48.800 because we're what fifteen twenty minutes in and you know 0:14:48.960 --> 0:14:51.600 that at least a dozen of our members, our listeners 0:14:51.840 --> 0:14:56.120 at work, would have accidentally tried to go to the website. Yeah, fired, 0:14:56.200 --> 0:14:58.440 So we've saved you. Yeah, we waited. I got it. 0:14:58.480 --> 0:15:02.600 Actually got got taken down a lot more recently than that, 0:15:02.760 --> 0:15:05.400 even it didn't get taken out. We'll talk about this 0:15:05.480 --> 0:15:09.080 in a little bit. Yeah. Yeah, let's talk about some 0:15:09.240 --> 0:15:12.160 of the key players in this case before we get 0:15:12.200 --> 0:15:15.080 too much further into this. Okay, tell us about Angel 0:15:15.160 --> 0:15:17.880 to six. Um, yeah, let's talk about Angel two six. 0:15:18.600 --> 0:15:20.880 That's the guy that was on far dot com. He 0:15:21.000 --> 0:15:22.880 was the guy that was on Farc dot com. And 0:15:23.320 --> 0:15:26.760 there's a bit of a bit of mystery around this 0:15:27.360 --> 0:15:32.240 person because Angel to six is almost definitely one person, 0:15:32.960 --> 0:15:37.440 but to six is probably just like a title, So 0:15:37.640 --> 0:15:40.840 you'll get a number of different users posting under the 0:15:40.920 --> 0:15:45.000 moniker of two six makes sense. The title was sort 0:15:45.000 --> 0:15:48.080 of passed around every couple of years, right or months 0:15:48.200 --> 0:15:52.040 or so. If I had a profile and my profile 0:15:52.160 --> 0:15:54.640 name was super Steve, it would be super seed to 0:15:54.880 --> 0:15:58.280 six if I got that title, but not always some 0:15:58.520 --> 0:16:00.800 or sometimes you would just be to six and they'd 0:16:00.800 --> 0:16:02.800 be like, oh, well, super Steve is running it right now. 0:16:03.080 --> 0:16:05.920 Super Seve is the two six right now. Wow, that's 0:16:05.920 --> 0:16:07.640 just a bit that we're confusing. Okay, I know. So 0:16:07.720 --> 0:16:11.680 there are three drunk step Father users that we can 0:16:11.760 --> 0:16:15.640 pretty much undoubtedly say were two six at some point. Um, 0:16:15.720 --> 0:16:19.800 they were Gerald Mink, JP four and Pierce Speculation is. 0:16:20.160 --> 0:16:22.560 Like I said, however, that Angel to six was it 0:16:22.840 --> 0:16:26.160 was their own person. We did an interview with one 0:16:26.200 --> 0:16:29.880 of the newer people who have been investigating this case 0:16:30.040 --> 0:16:33.200 on Reddit. This gentleman asked that we keep his identity 0:16:33.240 --> 0:16:35.480 a secret, So we're going to do that. Um, but 0:16:35.720 --> 0:16:37.960 here's what he had to say about two six. Angel 0:16:38.000 --> 0:16:40.160 two six was a to six. I mean, there's multiple 0:16:40.200 --> 0:16:42.120 two sixes. They seem to be the ones that are 0:16:42.400 --> 0:16:46.280 curators for the I guess the it's hard to tell, Lara, 0:16:46.320 --> 0:16:49.600 it's for the actual image searching, or if it's for 0:16:50.080 --> 0:16:52.320 being curator for all the jobs that are listed. I'm 0:16:52.400 --> 0:16:54.560 kind of leaning towards Shade holding that job. But there 0:16:54.600 --> 0:16:57.040 were quite a few two sixes, so they have been 0:16:57.200 --> 0:17:00.160 shared and they responsibly shared. Did have to and my 0:17:00.240 --> 0:17:01.720 cancer by the end of you know, at the end 0:17:01.760 --> 0:17:03.640 of his life, so could have been passed on. That 0:17:03.720 --> 0:17:05.679 was only this past year, so who knows. But there 0:17:05.680 --> 0:17:07.080 were at least a few people that had the two 0:17:07.119 --> 0:17:10.119 six roll, the first one being UM. I think it 0:17:10.280 --> 0:17:13.920 was Gerald Mank, which is actually an anagram of major current, 0:17:14.040 --> 0:17:16.159 but who knows that that's what that actually means. I mean, 0:17:16.240 --> 0:17:18.800 it's going to the military aspect of this, it could be. 0:17:19.000 --> 0:17:22.040 But after him, it was it was this guy angel 0:17:22.080 --> 0:17:24.119 to six, like the angel to six, the one that 0:17:24.840 --> 0:17:27.959 announced that, you know, Religion of Peace slash milo um 0:17:28.200 --> 0:17:31.159 that he passed on, and after that it went to 0:17:31.680 --> 0:17:34.800 user jp Pour and then went on to it was 0:17:34.840 --> 0:17:37.920 a Pierce who was I think part of the organization 0:17:38.040 --> 0:17:41.440 just from what I just from what he was talking 0:17:41.480 --> 0:17:43.720 about on the forums, you know, talking about, you know, 0:17:43.840 --> 0:17:46.399 staging out of South Africa. But he may have just 0:17:46.440 --> 0:17:48.280 been an old military guy. I've been met on one 0:17:48.320 --> 0:17:50.520 of the jobs and said, hey, check out his porn site, 0:17:51.040 --> 0:17:53.520 so it could be that um, and then he ended 0:17:53.560 --> 0:17:55.919 off the bishop. You know the thing, The interesting thing 0:17:55.960 --> 0:17:58.119 about this two six role is no one seems to 0:17:58.160 --> 0:18:00.000 hold it for more than a few months. It's always 0:18:00.080 --> 0:18:03.040 was constantly being passed on, which is there could be 0:18:03.080 --> 0:18:05.560 significance to that, maybe not, but it does seem interesting 0:18:05.640 --> 0:18:08.560 that one person can't seem to hold it. So the 0:18:08.640 --> 0:18:11.640 things we know about TO six are that TO six 0:18:11.840 --> 0:18:14.520 was definitely involved in the messages that were written in 0:18:14.560 --> 0:18:17.560 the Root source. To six new Milo personally. At least 0:18:17.680 --> 0:18:19.920 one of the two six is new Milo personally. I 0:18:20.200 --> 0:18:22.240 am under the impression that all of the two sixes 0:18:22.359 --> 0:18:25.880 new Milo personally and TO six served in an army, 0:18:25.960 --> 0:18:29.000 but it's unclear what army, or if it's just generally 0:18:29.080 --> 0:18:31.560 a term for the military or even more like an 0:18:31.600 --> 0:18:35.040 ira a army. But angel to six is chosen. Avatar 0:18:35.760 --> 0:18:37.840 was a line drawing of a bird of prey that 0:18:38.000 --> 0:18:41.359 was really really similar to the insignia of the slowest 0:18:41.480 --> 0:18:45.880 scouts of the Rhodesian Army, which is now Zimbabwe. That's 0:18:45.880 --> 0:18:51.080 sorry that Rhodesia is now Zimbabwe. That was that was 0:18:51.160 --> 0:18:53.840 a yeah, yeah, I got it. Sorry. So another person 0:18:53.960 --> 0:18:57.240 that's definitely involved with the root source messages is Shade. 0:18:57.920 --> 0:19:02.080 You'll see Hammer her probably him referenced to a lot, 0:19:02.280 --> 0:19:03.960 and it seems like they were the holder of the 0:19:04.040 --> 0:19:06.360 purse strings kind of as it were. And you'll see 0:19:06.400 --> 0:19:07.800 what I mean when we kind of talk about the 0:19:07.840 --> 0:19:10.320 message out the accountant of the group kind of yeah. 0:19:10.640 --> 0:19:14.439 And then the last person is you Religion of Peace 0:19:14.880 --> 0:19:17.760 a K A Milo a k A Dutch Milo. And 0:19:17.840 --> 0:19:19.479 we've kind of covered him a little bit and we'll 0:19:19.520 --> 0:19:21.280 talk a little bit about him more in a minute. 0:19:21.560 --> 0:19:23.399 There's a lot of things about his history that I 0:19:23.480 --> 0:19:25.920 don't think are true. I don't think he was fourteen 0:19:25.960 --> 0:19:28.480 and joined the military to kill the Nazis. That's just 0:19:29.040 --> 0:19:32.080 made up lore. I do, however, But the thing about 0:19:32.119 --> 0:19:34.280 it is that if he was born around nineteen thirty, 0:19:34.359 --> 0:19:36.560 would have joined about ninety four. By the time you 0:19:36.640 --> 0:19:39.840 got to basic training and all the other stuff, well, 0:19:39.880 --> 0:19:41.920 it's kind of too late to go fight the Nazis. Yeah, 0:19:42.040 --> 0:19:44.320 it would have been hard. But I do, however, think 0:19:44.400 --> 0:19:47.720 that he was actually military at one point, and you 0:19:47.840 --> 0:19:51.040 guys know why. But dear listeners, do you know why, well, 0:19:51.400 --> 0:19:54.600 meet using a poet one. You can just kind of 0:19:54.640 --> 0:19:56.960 tell when you listen to somebody speak or read what 0:19:57.040 --> 0:19:59.000 they have to say, you can kind of pick up 0:19:59.080 --> 0:20:02.040 on certain things, especially if they're talking about prior military 0:20:02.160 --> 0:20:05.159 service or experience. You can tell if they're telling the 0:20:05.200 --> 0:20:07.840 truth or not. And oddly, I think this guy was, 0:20:08.119 --> 0:20:10.760 you know, um is weird of a character as this 0:20:10.880 --> 0:20:14.360 dude is. I mean, his jargon was just too accurate, 0:20:14.400 --> 0:20:17.200 and not only accurate, but but period specific to like 0:20:17.440 --> 0:20:21.640 Vietnam era. He spoke in military jargon that was outdated 0:20:22.040 --> 0:20:23.480 to when I was in and I was in the 0:20:24.600 --> 0:20:27.400 like he said, it's probably military. Uh So we're gonna 0:20:27.440 --> 0:20:30.600 call xenophobe Zeno from now on because I don't want 0:20:30.640 --> 0:20:32.880 to say xenophobe fifty one every single time we talked 0:20:32.880 --> 0:20:38.240 about I totally trust Zeno's analysis of this. I reached 0:20:38.280 --> 0:20:41.720 out to a couple of our experts and had them 0:20:41.960 --> 0:20:44.440 read a lot of the postings and some of the 0:20:44.520 --> 0:20:48.119 stuff that Milo was talking about, and they also agree. 0:20:48.160 --> 0:20:52.000 They thought that Milo was definitely military at some point, 0:20:52.080 --> 0:20:54.040 and they were able to also date him to kind 0:20:54.080 --> 0:20:57.399 of the same time period they that Zeno indicated to 0:20:57.480 --> 0:21:00.679 us as well, so it's corroborated throughout one more thing 0:21:00.760 --> 0:21:02.680 before we get into the messages. You guys know what 0:21:02.760 --> 0:21:06.760 an iron key is, right of course, you know that 0:21:06.800 --> 0:21:09.320 you've run the research on it. So an iron key 0:21:09.440 --> 0:21:11.320 is pretty much the most secure flash drive out there. 0:21:11.440 --> 0:21:15.679 It's it comes standard with full encryption. They cost uh, 0:21:15.880 --> 0:21:20.040 usually more than six dollars usually, Yeah, and I think 0:21:20.080 --> 0:21:22.040 that the selling point of those is you have to 0:21:22.119 --> 0:21:23.600 have a password to get into it, and if you 0:21:23.760 --> 0:21:25.679 like is it, like, you get three tries and if 0:21:25.760 --> 0:21:28.359 and if you don't succeed on three tries, yeah, right, 0:21:28.840 --> 0:21:31.840 never to be accessed again. Yeah. I wonder how much 0:21:31.880 --> 0:21:34.879 the Hello Kitty one costs, probably even more, probably like 0:21:35.040 --> 0:21:37.480 thousands of dollars. That's what I'm guessing. We should get 0:21:37.560 --> 0:21:40.960 some dude who would ever think that it was a 0:21:41.080 --> 0:21:45.760 secure USB drive if it looks like Hello Kitty, real camouflaws. Yeah, 0:21:45.840 --> 0:21:48.280 that's a good point, Hey, listeners, if you want to 0:21:48.359 --> 0:21:52.960 donate money to get Hello Kitty iron keys, we will 0:21:53.280 --> 0:21:59.359 send you something. Yeah. Probably. Okay, now that I know 0:21:59.480 --> 0:22:00.920 that I know what an i key is, and I 0:22:01.160 --> 0:22:04.120 definitely have to have one, absolutely, and actually it's it's 0:22:04.160 --> 0:22:07.119 worth noting um. Some of our listeners may not be 0:22:07.200 --> 0:22:10.440 aware that you can have an entire operating system on 0:22:10.600 --> 0:22:13.159 a flash drive. These days, you can have It's basically 0:22:13.240 --> 0:22:15.280 you can have an entire computer on a flash drive 0:22:15.880 --> 0:22:17.920 and you just plug it into a computer and you 0:22:18.000 --> 0:22:21.520 have a totally different computer there. And that's hugely helpful 0:22:21.560 --> 0:22:24.240 if you're doing anything even remotely clandestine, because you just 0:22:24.400 --> 0:22:26.600 unplug it and there's no way to track it. It 0:22:26.720 --> 0:22:30.160 never existed. Clever. Okay, So we're going to talk about 0:22:30.160 --> 0:22:32.359 the messages now when we're not going to go through 0:22:32.400 --> 0:22:36.520 all the messages because that would be pure insanity. Yeah, way, 0:22:36.600 --> 0:22:39.240 way too much. But we're going to go through them chronologically, 0:22:39.320 --> 0:22:41.520 which is the opposite way that you see them posted. 0:22:41.840 --> 0:22:45.520 And before we get into this, I want to thank Dan, Lorie, 0:22:45.600 --> 0:22:50.000 Greg and Nick for helping out with these. There are 0:22:50.040 --> 0:22:53.240 some of our experts. They were so helpful. They tolerated 0:22:53.280 --> 0:22:55.040 me emailing them at all times the day being like 0:22:55.119 --> 0:22:58.200 wait and what about this? So it's super helpful for you. 0:22:58.280 --> 0:22:59.800 Know what happens when you sign up to be an 0:22:59.840 --> 0:23:02.600 next it is, Yeah, we annoy the crap out of you, 0:23:03.119 --> 0:23:05.879 We really do. And there's a really unique style that 0:23:05.960 --> 0:23:08.040 these are posted in, So we're going to read them 0:23:08.240 --> 0:23:11.479 sick eric script um, which is, you know, as they 0:23:11.480 --> 0:23:15.800 are written exactly Latin. An example is this, Joe, can 0:23:15.880 --> 0:23:18.520 you read this one for us? Alright? Filled x x 0:23:18.680 --> 0:23:22.560 x x x X. Spec need to ink speaker private 0:23:22.640 --> 0:23:25.920 sec at c h W X must recent s or 0:23:26.119 --> 0:23:30.080 SPS preferred. So I'm gonna translate that for y'all because 0:23:30.119 --> 0:23:32.760 it's a little confusing. A translation of this would be 0:23:33.119 --> 0:23:37.520 filled specifications need two English speakers for private security posting 0:23:37.560 --> 0:23:41.480 at see hardware experience required, Special Boat service or U S. 0:23:41.560 --> 0:23:44.920 Navy Seals background preferred. Here's another one so that we 0:23:44.960 --> 0:23:47.720 can get a little more into the sense of it. Joe, 0:23:47.760 --> 0:23:49.840 could you read this one too? Oh yeah, I'll leave 0:23:49.840 --> 0:23:53.560 the data here. Spec for slash team DASH three moths 0:23:53.600 --> 0:23:57.680 set gig fat c c W A plus no us 0:23:57.920 --> 0:24:03.040 W slash W spec forour or seven DP one week 0:24:03.119 --> 0:24:07.160 gig fluent English working for plus two week one quarter 0:24:07.200 --> 0:24:11.920 pay sequester on refusal bonus. Okay, so this one even 0:24:11.960 --> 0:24:16.200 more confusing somehow. So this one reads specifications need a 0:24:16.280 --> 0:24:18.879 four person team for a three month security job with 0:24:18.960 --> 0:24:22.440 a federal concealed carry weapons permit. Anyone with a us 0:24:22.480 --> 0:24:25.359 A want or warrant need not apply. These four people 0:24:25.400 --> 0:24:29.120 will work seven on diplomatic protection. If you refuse after 0:24:29.280 --> 0:24:31.920 learning all the details, you will be sequestered or sit 0:24:32.000 --> 0:24:34.560 out for two weeks while the job is being done 0:24:34.600 --> 0:24:36.840 by others, and you will lose one quarter of your 0:24:36.880 --> 0:24:40.760 standard salary during that time. Wait, so the thing that 0:24:40.840 --> 0:24:43.760 it calls out here, what is it? The federal concealed 0:24:44.040 --> 0:24:48.480 carry weapons permit? Okay, weapons permits are issued by states 0:24:48.600 --> 0:24:51.360 right now, Yeah, so what what is I've never heard 0:24:51.359 --> 0:24:54.240 of the federal I have none. I haven't either. I 0:24:54.240 --> 0:24:56.959 haven't either. I think the it's the best of my knowledge, 0:24:57.160 --> 0:25:00.800 no sense thing exists, at least in the you ask. Yeah, 0:25:00.840 --> 0:25:03.040 I think that. I mean, if you're if you're a 0:25:03.080 --> 0:25:05.480 law enforcement or ex law enforcement, say like you know 0:25:05.640 --> 0:25:08.880 anything from secret Service to FBI to just a city cop. 0:25:09.560 --> 0:25:12.639 I believe, even though there isn't an actual card that 0:25:12.720 --> 0:25:14.480 you carry around, I believe you more or less have 0:25:14.560 --> 0:25:17.480 a federal carrier. Well that's what your ID badge. Saying 0:25:17.560 --> 0:25:21.680 that you're active in that organization would be equivalent. Tough, 0:25:21.720 --> 0:25:23.520 But I've never heard of I'm going to go out 0:25:23.560 --> 0:25:25.879 and just get this thing. I don't think, as far 0:25:25.920 --> 0:25:27.399 as I know, there is no such thing. I mean, 0:25:27.680 --> 0:25:30.000 you have you have your FBI agents running around with guns, 0:25:30.080 --> 0:25:31.920 you know, but they don't you know, their FBI I 0:25:32.040 --> 0:25:33.840 D isn't enough for that. They don't need to get 0:25:34.200 --> 0:25:36.959 the extra permit. Well, maybe next time I meet one, 0:25:36.960 --> 0:25:40.800 I'll ask for it. Yeah, do that mold, Yeah, So 0:25:40.960 --> 0:25:43.960 have note. Um these posts did change. It's hard, you know, 0:25:44.119 --> 0:25:46.800 because we're looking at this historically and we can only 0:25:46.840 --> 0:25:49.040 look at what was archived. So one of the big 0:25:49.160 --> 0:25:51.880 questions I had when I first started researching this case 0:25:52.080 --> 0:25:54.680 was did these posts change or was it just like 0:25:54.800 --> 0:25:58.680 this standing archive? And Zeno told us that he and 0:25:58.760 --> 0:26:01.760 the other users that were investigating this did actually see 0:26:01.800 --> 0:26:05.119 the post changed. And so how long did that go 0:26:05.280 --> 0:26:07.880 on for? I mean between this time they started looking 0:26:07.960 --> 0:26:11.159 at it and they watched them change and then finally 0:26:11.680 --> 0:26:14.480 they replaced with the encryption. How long How long a 0:26:14.520 --> 0:26:16.479 period were they watching? Not long? I don't have an 0:26:16.520 --> 0:26:20.000 explicit date for you, but it wasn't was I would 0:26:20.040 --> 0:26:22.720 say maybe a month. Okay, so we're actually talking about 0:26:22.760 --> 0:26:25.159 her of weeks they somebody caught on. As far as 0:26:25.200 --> 0:26:27.000 I can tell yeah, but like I said, I don't 0:26:27.040 --> 0:26:29.800 have an explicit date for you unfortunately, so we've had 0:26:29.840 --> 0:26:35.159 these translated, and as to their authenticity. Zeno has some 0:26:35.280 --> 0:26:39.320 things to say about that somebody had discovered in the 0:26:39.440 --> 0:26:42.680 source code of the root directory of Lake City Quiet 0:26:42.720 --> 0:26:46.000 Pills dot Com hidden what appeared to be a hidden 0:26:46.200 --> 0:26:51.040 forum or a job posting board, and uh, you know, 0:26:51.160 --> 0:26:53.840 I I thought that was very strange. So I went 0:26:53.880 --> 0:26:56.399 to the root of that directory or the root of 0:26:56.440 --> 0:26:58.680 that website myself and and look at the source and 0:26:58.800 --> 0:27:00.560 sure enough, there it all was. And I read through 0:27:00.600 --> 0:27:02.879 it all. And you know, at that time, you know, 0:27:03.200 --> 0:27:05.960 none of the people's theories had really developed yet, you know, 0:27:06.080 --> 0:27:09.120 I mean, this was right when it happened, so um, 0:27:10.359 --> 0:27:13.680 you know that nobody knew well I shouldn't say nobody, 0:27:13.680 --> 0:27:15.800 but very few people were kind of privy to the 0:27:15.880 --> 0:27:17.600 fact that a lot of what was what they were 0:27:17.640 --> 0:27:20.520 seeing in there looked like little nuggets of military jargon 0:27:20.720 --> 0:27:22.639 or some kind of military thing going on there. When 0:27:22.680 --> 0:27:25.080 I when I read through it, I kind of got 0:27:25.160 --> 0:27:27.879 the feeling that what I was looking at was a 0:27:28.200 --> 0:27:31.000 sort of under the table kind of mercenary sort of 0:27:31.080 --> 0:27:33.080 things that I was looking at you know, like, I'm 0:27:33.119 --> 0:27:36.080 guessing that most of these people were just working jobs 0:27:36.119 --> 0:27:39.360 where they were doing armed security for people in strange places, 0:27:39.800 --> 0:27:42.399 and they may have been doing some kind of It 0:27:42.520 --> 0:27:45.080 sounds so stupid to say this stuff, but it sounds 0:27:45.080 --> 0:27:48.359 like they were doing some kind of black water type contracting. Okay, 0:27:48.440 --> 0:27:51.919 so I'm going to have Joe or Steve, whichever one 0:27:52.000 --> 0:27:53.879 feels like reading these, read these so you don't have 0:27:53.920 --> 0:27:59.600 to keep listening to my pleasant time. Okay, I'll go 0:27:59.720 --> 0:28:03.200 for um. Shade is maintaining the calendar and access to 0:28:03.280 --> 0:28:06.800 the file dump. Angel has the job postings for EU 0:28:07.080 --> 0:28:10.440 and Asia. We're we aren't sending anyone to emmy. No 0:28:10.600 --> 0:28:14.480 one don't ask for listings, so we can probably figure 0:28:14.480 --> 0:28:18.040 out what this means, right. The translation is fairly simple that, um, 0:28:19.000 --> 0:28:22.000 well it's Europe in Asia. Yeah, there's job postings for 0:28:22.040 --> 0:28:23.720 Europe and Asia. They're not sending it anyone to the 0:28:23.760 --> 0:28:26.040 Middle East total least. Okay, thank you. I couldn't. I 0:28:26.119 --> 0:28:28.480 couldn't wrap my head around any for some reason. Yeah, 0:28:28.760 --> 0:28:32.880 so Angel has the listings, Shade is maintaining the access 0:28:32.960 --> 0:28:36.600 calendar and the file dumps. It's Shade is kind of 0:28:36.800 --> 0:28:41.760 doing the accounting, hr Bit angels doing the actual postings. 0:28:42.160 --> 0:28:45.080 Next post, seventeen July two thousand nine. I'm sorry to 0:28:45.160 --> 0:28:48.280 tell you that old Milo died yesterday. He went quiet 0:28:48.280 --> 0:28:50.640 and calm, not like we all figured. I gave the 0:28:50.720 --> 0:28:53.680 fat MAINI cat of his little girl next door, no 0:28:53.880 --> 0:28:57.320 services or nothing, you know, Milo, I'm taking his ashes 0:28:57.400 --> 0:29:00.200 back to where his farm was. Close to it any way, 0:29:00.400 --> 0:29:03.240 there's a mall where his place was, so hoist. If 0:29:03.240 --> 0:29:05.880 you for the old man, remember what he said, keep 0:29:05.920 --> 0:29:08.680 the faith with the man who's got your back. Um. 0:29:08.800 --> 0:29:12.040 This post actually coincides exactly, of course, with the post 0:29:12.120 --> 0:29:15.960 on Reddit um that to six made saying that the 0:29:16.040 --> 0:29:20.200 time that's the exact same day, similar information uh down 0:29:20.280 --> 0:29:22.440 to the mall. Information actually on the Reddit thread to 0:29:22.760 --> 0:29:27.280 six gives uh geographic coordinates for the final resting place 0:29:27.320 --> 0:29:30.680 of Milo and reaction to kind of a troll comment. 0:29:31.040 --> 0:29:34.320 There's a little thread there where somebody basically says like 0:29:34.680 --> 0:29:37.680 Milo was a jerk, and to six says, you know, 0:29:37.880 --> 0:29:40.880 screw you, not screw you, but screw you. He was 0:29:40.960 --> 0:29:43.480 my friend, and um, they get into a little argument 0:29:43.560 --> 0:29:46.000 and to six says this is the final resting place 0:29:46.080 --> 0:29:49.800 and and post actual um longitude and latitude coordinates. Why 0:29:49.840 --> 0:29:53.320 did you do that? That's a really really good question though. No, 0:29:53.640 --> 0:29:56.760 and actually that's one of the biggest questions in my mind, 0:29:57.000 --> 0:30:00.640 is why would you do that? And then Joe knows 0:30:00.760 --> 0:30:03.120 this really well, Steve you a little bit, know that 0:30:03.280 --> 0:30:05.240 Joe and I for the past couple of weeks actually 0:30:05.280 --> 0:30:08.920 have been doing really really extensive research into this parcel 0:30:09.000 --> 0:30:12.960 of land, kind of crazy levels of extensive research. We 0:30:13.120 --> 0:30:16.720 pulled well, yeah, I mean we pulled deeds, We looked 0:30:16.760 --> 0:30:20.560 at census information, We tracked down every single trace with 0:30:20.600 --> 0:30:23.360 the help of one of our other experts, Vanessa Um. 0:30:23.840 --> 0:30:27.640 And I'm I'm willing to say, I'm if not more 0:30:27.800 --> 0:30:31.200 sure that Milobe never had any connection to this parcel 0:30:31.240 --> 0:30:33.520 of lands. Yeah, I think that. I think we wasted 0:30:33.560 --> 0:30:35.240 our time with all that. I think we actually, I 0:30:35.520 --> 0:30:37.080 guess I wouldn't say it was a waste of time 0:30:37.080 --> 0:30:41.400 because we were able to really definitively say this post 0:30:41.560 --> 0:30:44.040 of these coordinates don't actually have anything to do with 0:30:44.160 --> 0:30:47.640 this case, which is almost weirder, like he just went 0:30:47.680 --> 0:30:50.920 on a Google Earth and randomly picked a spot coordinate. Yeah, 0:30:51.560 --> 0:30:54.520 but he happened to get a location that is really 0:30:54.600 --> 0:30:57.360 close to a place where a boy's orphanage existed in 0:30:57.480 --> 0:31:01.560 the nineteen thirties and forties in that area. You know, 0:31:01.760 --> 0:31:07.560 it's this weird, pretty well researched spot that leads to 0:31:07.680 --> 0:31:10.080 a million dead ends that we followed up all of 0:31:11.840 --> 0:31:14.840 really genuinely, we did so much research. We felt like 0:31:14.920 --> 0:31:18.840 crazy people a little bit. But by the way, the 0:31:18.880 --> 0:31:22.320 spot is like just south of Gettysburg. Yeah, it's just 0:31:22.400 --> 0:31:26.080 south of Getinsburg next to an LMO. But those were 0:31:26.120 --> 0:31:28.880 the coordinates that were posted, and we did do a 0:31:28.960 --> 0:31:30.959 lot of research and I am really, really really confident 0:31:31.040 --> 0:31:33.560 that that had nothing to do with Milo. Well, if 0:31:33.600 --> 0:31:36.080 you're trying to keep Milo's identity of secret, you know, 0:31:36.760 --> 0:31:38.720 why would you be posting the coordinates to a place 0:31:38.800 --> 0:31:40.720 that he used to live. Yeah, but also why would 0:31:40.760 --> 0:31:43.480 you be posting coordinates at all? Because the question prior 0:31:43.640 --> 0:31:46.600 to to six giving this information wasn't like, oh yeah, 0:31:46.720 --> 0:31:48.920 well tell me where you buried him. It was just 0:31:49.040 --> 0:31:51.080 like this guy was kind of a skis and to 0:31:51.280 --> 0:31:54.080 six was like, well here's his final resting. Like there's 0:31:54.160 --> 0:31:56.600 no reason for it was there was just a way 0:31:56.640 --> 0:32:00.720 to end the conversation, running out with the just maybe 0:32:00.880 --> 0:32:03.000 just a little red herring that sent us all off 0:32:03.080 --> 0:32:05.680 wasting our time trying to track down property records. Ye, 0:32:06.840 --> 0:32:10.240 kind of a little bit maybe. Yeah, that's that one 0:32:10.440 --> 0:32:14.760 out the window. Next post thirty September two nine. For 0:32:14.880 --> 0:32:17.480 those who have asked, I brick Milo's iron key the 0:32:17.560 --> 0:32:21.080 same day, all as well filled x x x x 0:32:21.360 --> 0:32:26.200 x spec need for inch speaker DP no us W 0:32:26.440 --> 0:32:29.160 slash W. So people have pointed out that they think 0:32:29.240 --> 0:32:31.880 this is strange because an organization that uses iron keys 0:32:31.880 --> 0:32:35.479 shouldn't also need a posting board like this to be maintained, right, 0:32:35.640 --> 0:32:37.640 And our experts differed on opinions. And we'll get to 0:32:37.720 --> 0:32:41.920 this in a little bit. Yeah, okay, I'll hold the Yeah, yeah, 0:32:41.960 --> 0:32:43.520 we'll talk about that in a little bit. So next 0:32:43.560 --> 0:32:48.000 posting this is this is also by six correct. All 0:32:48.080 --> 0:32:49.640 of these, as far as I can tell, are by 0:32:49.720 --> 0:32:54.800 two six. But there's no explicit definition of who's posting 0:32:54.960 --> 0:32:57.400 anything on these and these are all on that root 0:32:57.480 --> 0:33:00.560 source code. Again, I gotta say his leaves a lot 0:33:00.560 --> 0:33:06.560 to ball right now, okay, okay, me like reading text 0:33:06.600 --> 0:33:12.120 messages from family members. Four Nov. Two thousand nine, Milo's 0:33:12.160 --> 0:33:18.640 will cleared probate. Surprise, Milo was loaded email Shade. If 0:33:18.720 --> 0:33:22.120 we set you out in two thousand five dash two 0:33:22.200 --> 0:33:26.280 thousand nine, Shade will have checks cut for you. Amount 0:33:26.600 --> 0:33:30.640 is by how many times, not by pay. Total small 0:33:30.760 --> 0:33:37.000 share is three slash four k. Okay. So Milo's will 0:33:37.200 --> 0:33:40.840 cleared probate in four months, which suggests a couple of things. 0:33:40.960 --> 0:33:45.800 Surprise surprise with a Z and an I in the beginning, 0:33:46.120 --> 0:33:49.960 I like the way spells probate. Yeah, my god, I 0:33:50.000 --> 0:33:52.760 didn't even notice that. Yeah, because I spelled it the 0:33:52.800 --> 0:33:54.760 same way. That's probably why you didn't notice it. Yeah. 0:33:55.160 --> 0:34:00.360 Pro That would be a great name for a big shop. 0:34:00.520 --> 0:34:03.320 Oh my gosh, you're right. It's almost like it's pro bass. 0:34:03.720 --> 0:34:11.160 Yeah anyway, So okay, So this being cleared in four 0:34:11.239 --> 0:34:12.839 months tells us a couple of things. And this comes 0:34:12.920 --> 0:34:18.719 from our expert Nick, who's a lawyer, but not uh 0:34:19.000 --> 0:34:21.480 he's not in a state lawyer and not in Pennsylvania. 0:34:21.600 --> 0:34:23.759 So um, these could be wrong. And if you know 0:34:23.920 --> 0:34:27.520 more about this, then we do. Please let us know. Pennsylvania, 0:34:27.560 --> 0:34:30.720 by the way, is where the coordinates were at. Yeah, okay, 0:34:31.080 --> 0:34:34.399 so it's one assumes that I I sadly as Joe 0:34:34.440 --> 0:34:37.480 said Gettysburg. I was rattling my brain going, oh, hell, 0:34:37.520 --> 0:34:39.839 I don't remember you as history. What state was ending. 0:34:40.560 --> 0:34:45.200 I'm a little embarrassed by that. Pennsylvania. Yeah, okay. So 0:34:45.680 --> 0:34:48.440 the executor of the will knew where the will was, 0:34:49.000 --> 0:34:51.879 was in the area and acted immediately upon Milo's death. 0:34:52.280 --> 0:34:54.840 The will covered the entire estate and there was no 0:34:55.800 --> 0:34:58.440 no one contesting the will or the estate. That sounds 0:34:58.440 --> 0:35:01.759 to me like Milo probably didn't have any olives anyway, right, uh. 0:35:01.840 --> 0:35:03.879 And it was a simple estate with no real estate 0:35:04.120 --> 0:35:07.279 or um and only personal property, so no bonds, no 0:35:08.400 --> 0:35:10.799 holdings in other companies, things like that. That makes sense. 0:35:10.960 --> 0:35:13.480 The estate was easy to liquidate, so if it was 0:35:13.680 --> 0:35:15.400 it was a house that was ready to sell. It 0:35:15.600 --> 0:35:18.120 was stuff that could be auctioned off really quickly. Things 0:35:18.200 --> 0:35:21.239 like that. Milo very likely, as Joe mentioned, had no 0:35:21.360 --> 0:35:23.960 family to contest the will because it cleared in four months. 0:35:24.000 --> 0:35:26.120 It would mean that the executor there was nobody who 0:35:26.200 --> 0:35:28.520 was going to say, like, no, the executor isn't going 0:35:28.560 --> 0:35:30.600 to do that thing. Dear God, if you want to 0:35:30.600 --> 0:35:35.759 see the worst come on people, especially when there's a 0:35:35.800 --> 0:35:39.000 whole bunch of money involved. Yeah, okay, And then the 0:35:39.040 --> 0:35:41.359 other thing is that in Pennsylvania, assuming that the will 0:35:41.560 --> 0:35:43.839 was in Pennsylvania. I don't have any reason to believe 0:35:43.880 --> 0:35:46.719 that other than the coordinates were there. But okay, so 0:35:46.840 --> 0:35:50.640 we're making an assumption on the state that this happened. 0:35:50.640 --> 0:35:54.520 I'm just making that assumption. Yeah, in Pennsylvania, creditor can 0:35:54.600 --> 0:35:56.520 wait up to a year to make a claim against 0:35:56.560 --> 0:35:59.560 the estate, So there had to be uh like really 0:35:59.640 --> 0:36:02.520 reason bulk confidence that that wouldn't happen in order for 0:36:03.280 --> 0:36:08.040 the executor to have liquidated all of Milo's holdings so quickly. 0:36:08.520 --> 0:36:10.920 This post also suggests that maybe they're taking care of 0:36:11.000 --> 0:36:14.600 some back payments to contractors and but it's not clear 0:36:14.719 --> 0:36:17.919 to me if they're using the money as bonuses based 0:36:18.000 --> 0:36:21.040 on send outs or if it's if they owed contractors 0:36:21.080 --> 0:36:25.719 back payments on salaries. But it does indicate that contractors 0:36:25.760 --> 0:36:29.280 are being held on salary or retainer. To me, Okay, 0:36:29.480 --> 0:36:33.480 I'm not quite sure that I understand the back pay thing, 0:36:33.520 --> 0:36:37.080 because four years is a hell of a long time 0:36:37.239 --> 0:36:40.239 for back pay, right But I get peeved when i'm 0:36:40.360 --> 0:36:44.520 too when somebody's two months behind. So it's maybe that 0:36:44.719 --> 0:36:47.320 they were paying them, you know, three quarters of what 0:36:47.400 --> 0:36:49.319 they were owed or half of what they were owed 0:36:49.400 --> 0:36:51.520 or something like that, instead of we're not paying you 0:36:51.600 --> 0:36:53.920 anything because we can't afford to pay you anything. Right, 0:36:54.760 --> 0:36:59.880 I understand the theory, I can't understand it working for 0:37:00.120 --> 0:37:02.680 that long. Well. And in fairness, it's not as though 0:37:03.080 --> 0:37:05.680 you can go out to like Monster dot Com if 0:37:05.719 --> 0:37:09.120 you're a contractor or mercenary. Right, it's not like you're 0:37:09.120 --> 0:37:11.439 going to be like, bah screw of these guys. They're 0:37:11.480 --> 0:37:15.439 giving me only like four jobs a year. Can't make 0:37:15.520 --> 0:37:18.000 that work anymore on the salary they're paying me. I'm 0:37:18.000 --> 0:37:20.560 gonna go to Monster dot com and find a new job. 0:37:20.719 --> 0:37:24.440 Actually that's not true because okay, let's let's take the 0:37:24.520 --> 0:37:28.279 mercenary part out. So let's ignore. I know, when you 0:37:28.360 --> 0:37:31.120 do the reading, there's all this their assassin's talk. Let's 0:37:31.160 --> 0:37:36.080 take that out. Okay, we're there's talking here about security, 0:37:36.960 --> 0:37:41.560 all right. Major corporations have operations all over the world 0:37:41.840 --> 0:37:44.560 that they need security people for. And I don't mean 0:37:44.760 --> 0:37:47.000 just a guy standing with a badge at the gate. 0:37:47.200 --> 0:37:51.120 I mean, you know, in dangerous territrizing. Yeah, and those 0:37:51.200 --> 0:37:55.080 people are always in demand. So that's a that's an 0:37:55.120 --> 0:37:57.680 industry that's easy to job hop. I mean I've known 0:37:57.719 --> 0:38:00.880 guys who they would go. I think this guy went 0:38:00.920 --> 0:38:03.560 to South Africa for two or three months at a 0:38:03.719 --> 0:38:06.800 time and then would come home for a month, and 0:38:06.960 --> 0:38:11.120 then his employer missed him off, so he switched to 0:38:11.239 --> 0:38:13.160 another I think it was an oil company or something. 0:38:13.200 --> 0:38:15.840 He switched to another company. So we think so that 0:38:16.320 --> 0:38:19.200 that's total and that's good information to know. I think 0:38:19.360 --> 0:38:22.080 it's then it's more likely that they were paying out bonuses. 0:38:22.320 --> 0:38:23.920 That's kind of what I was thinking, was it was 0:38:23.960 --> 0:38:27.440 a bonus thing. Okay, Yeah, I just the best bothered me. 0:38:27.520 --> 0:38:30.400 That's why I didn't just from good information to have. 0:38:30.560 --> 0:38:34.560 I don't know anybody in the contracting sector. I don't 0:38:34.600 --> 0:38:37.800 know how. Oh yeah, I know, I do remember how anything. Okay, 0:38:37.880 --> 0:38:44.280 now that we've got that settled salaries contractor next post 0:38:45.640 --> 0:38:52.480 twelve j Happy New Year, a year, Hapy new year everyone. 0:38:53.360 --> 0:38:56.680 We're having a birthday party for the old man on 0:38:56.800 --> 0:39:01.480 the nineteen. Party starts at fifteen hundred at the usual 0:39:02.320 --> 0:39:06.239 Send your rs VP to shade f y I. We're 0:39:06.280 --> 0:39:09.239 booking a room for three days for anyone coming from 0:39:09.320 --> 0:39:13.600 out of area and overnight for locals. Come hoist one 0:39:13.719 --> 0:39:17.040 for Dutch Milo. So here's where some really interesting conspiracy 0:39:17.080 --> 0:39:20.240 stuff starts to come into play. It suggested that Milo's 0:39:20.280 --> 0:39:24.759 birthday was January eighteen thirty. I followed a trail to 0:39:24.840 --> 0:39:28.160 agree that he was probably born in January nine thirty. 0:39:29.160 --> 0:39:32.040 Come from well, because I saw that. I saw that trail. 0:39:32.200 --> 0:39:35.040 I don't know where the nineteenth comes from. But something 0:39:35.360 --> 0:39:39.120 else kind of interesting happened on January nineteenth th ten 0:39:39.160 --> 0:39:41.839 and included at least thirty three people, probably a few more, 0:39:42.160 --> 0:39:44.759 and they were all using fake passports. And more on 0:39:44.920 --> 0:39:50.680 that later. So next post. Yeah, okay, eighteen jan we 0:39:50.880 --> 0:39:53.600 got thirty eight rooms in the Marriott on forty six 0:39:54.239 --> 0:39:57.600 Shade has the key cars for locals Perne pick up 0:39:57.640 --> 0:40:01.840 at the party on Perenne dot uh, give your travel 0:40:01.920 --> 0:40:04.080 name to the desk and that's it. No idea needed 0:40:04.160 --> 0:40:06.839 since we're covering the bill. Keep the room service under 0:40:06.880 --> 0:40:10.680 five okay, the phones there are not secure. Thus from 0:40:10.680 --> 0:40:16.279 the hotel. Leafs at car service vouchers for return trip 0:40:16.320 --> 0:40:19.600 when you're ready to crash. Don't d u I fouchers 0:40:19.640 --> 0:40:23.960 with the WY. That's the British spelling about youer, I 0:40:24.000 --> 0:40:30.520 don't think so. With a W yeah, w travel name 0:40:30.600 --> 0:40:33.680 all obviously in case anybody was wondering, is pseudo name 0:40:35.560 --> 0:40:40.239 in case somebody didn't put that together. This post captivates 0:40:40.280 --> 0:40:45.000 people because there's just enough information for you to speculate wildly, 0:40:45.440 --> 0:40:49.960 but not enough information to confirm anything. The Marriott in 0:40:50.120 --> 0:40:54.160 question is most certainly not in Pennsylvania. There's a Marriott 0:40:54.200 --> 0:40:58.719 in downtown New York City on Street. The one of 0:40:58.760 --> 0:41:02.400 the most expensive rooms is four hundred and twenty four 0:41:02.480 --> 0:41:06.160 dollars and eight. Wait, why why did Pennsylvania come into 0:41:06.239 --> 0:41:08.520 that when you were saying where it was? Like? Why? 0:41:09.640 --> 0:41:13.799 I'm assuming there was speculation that this Marriott was in Pennsylvania, 0:41:13.840 --> 0:41:17.880 which we've we talked about for where Milo was supposedly buried, right, 0:41:18.000 --> 0:41:20.759 And that's it's because it's the continuation of that. The 0:41:21.440 --> 0:41:24.800 The assumption is that since Milo was from Pennsylvania, that 0:41:24.920 --> 0:41:28.919 the party would have been in Pennsylvania. And actually there's 0:41:28.960 --> 0:41:31.920 a Highway forty six that run through Pennsylvania, so people 0:41:32.040 --> 0:41:36.160 assumed that it was the Marriott Street Highway forty six. 0:41:36.280 --> 0:41:38.680 But I've looked at the rates there and it's not. 0:41:41.000 --> 0:41:43.000 Let's get into the next post and then we'll continue 0:41:43.000 --> 0:41:45.560 to discuss, ok, yeah, sorry, Yeah. And the thing about 0:41:45.560 --> 0:41:47.279 it is too, is that if you're gonna have a 0:41:47.360 --> 0:41:50.360 blowout party for a bunch of like a bunch of 0:41:50.400 --> 0:41:54.480 anonymous mercenary type guys, you know you want to have 0:41:54.600 --> 0:41:57.240 it in New York City where nobody pays attention to anything. 0:41:57.360 --> 0:41:59.520 And we'll talk about why New York City in a minute. 0:41:59.680 --> 0:42:01.799 Let's read the next one and then we'll talk more 0:42:01.840 --> 0:42:06.040 about this. Okay to party bills, here is the final 0:42:06.160 --> 0:42:11.359 for the party. Hotel rooms three forty one, limo six thousand, eight, 0:42:12.040 --> 0:42:18.359 bus bar bill eight ninety. I like that. Yeah, must 0:42:18.400 --> 0:42:21.360 have been a great party. Yeah. Food eight thousand and thirty, 0:42:21.480 --> 0:42:27.920 dancers three hundred, Miss Landious tips it fifty Miss Landious 0:42:27.960 --> 0:42:33.319 expenses forty medical supplies on uh fat, Tommy and stwo 0:42:33.360 --> 0:42:36.600 are okay too. So I don't know what happened there. 0:42:36.640 --> 0:42:39.360 Maybe we're gonna talk about that and got into it 0:42:39.400 --> 0:42:44.000 a little bit. Total thousand eighty dollars you all did, Dutch, 0:42:44.040 --> 0:42:47.680 Milo proud, Thanks see sezee you guys. Math. Let's math 0:42:47.760 --> 0:42:51.600 real quick, let's math. Yeah, let's math. Three hundred and 0:42:51.680 --> 0:42:53.799 forty one divided by thirty eight, which is the number 0:42:53.840 --> 0:42:55.800 of rooms they got divided by three, which is the 0:42:55.880 --> 0:42:57.879 number of nights they said they were going to get. 0:42:58.120 --> 0:43:01.239 Is four hundred and twenty four dollars and a little 0:43:01.280 --> 0:43:04.000 bit of change, which is what the most expensive room 0:43:04.120 --> 0:43:08.200 at the Marriott on forty six in New York City costs. Okay, granted, 0:43:08.400 --> 0:43:12.440 granted they don't have thirty eight of those rooms, and 0:43:12.760 --> 0:43:15.200 they were only going to get one night for locals. Okay, 0:43:15.280 --> 0:43:17.040 thank you. I was I was gonna say, wait, but 0:43:17.080 --> 0:43:21.279 not everybody staged it. But that and and and that's 0:43:21.360 --> 0:43:25.160 the current rate, right five years later, that's the rate 0:43:25.280 --> 0:43:28.440 for the Marriott loves to up their press. Yeah, and 0:43:28.880 --> 0:43:31.479 it's one. It is genuinely one of the most expensive rooms. 0:43:31.760 --> 0:43:37.120 So it's hard to find the math behind that. I'm 0:43:37.160 --> 0:43:39.600 sure there are some combination of the rooms if somebody 0:43:39.680 --> 0:43:42.279 wanted to sit and really go through that and find 0:43:42.320 --> 0:43:44.400 out what the number was, what the rooms cost at 0:43:44.480 --> 0:43:48.360 that time. I'm confident to say that if this party happened, 0:43:48.480 --> 0:43:52.879 it happened on st at that Marriott, or that's where 0:43:52.920 --> 0:43:56.200 they were staying at least. I I like New York City, 0:43:56.640 --> 0:43:58.160 you know, because of some of the reasons that Joe 0:43:58.280 --> 0:44:00.719 was kind of talking about earlier. It's a big city, 0:44:00.800 --> 0:44:03.680 it's centrally located, it's really easy to blend in, it's 0:44:03.719 --> 0:44:07.279 really easy to get to for international or or uh 0:44:07.840 --> 0:44:10.959 national people, and you know, it's it's a party city. 0:44:11.920 --> 0:44:15.680 A huge party like that wouldn't really be a huge deal. 0:44:15.840 --> 0:44:20.560 People wouldn't bat a eye at it, for instance. So yeah, 0:44:21.000 --> 0:44:23.239 so they had a party for Dutch mile Yeah. Yeah, 0:44:23.520 --> 0:44:26.360 I'll also add that, Um, I think this means that 0:44:26.480 --> 0:44:29.759 they're like at least seventy six members of this group. 0:44:29.960 --> 0:44:35.560 And yeah, well you I guess one presumes that, um, 0:44:35.680 --> 0:44:38.960 they're probably getting double occupancy rooms. That's my map. I mean, 0:44:39.040 --> 0:44:41.560 that's my assumption that you would get a double occupancy room. 0:44:41.600 --> 0:44:44.120 And if you're getting thirty eight rooms, that's about seventy 0:44:44.160 --> 0:44:52.800 six people. And additionally, they paid uh thousand and eighty 0:44:52.840 --> 0:44:55.799 dollars like it was nothing for a party and then 0:44:55.880 --> 0:44:59.760 gave at least three thousand dollars to seventy six members, 0:45:00.000 --> 0:45:04.239 probably more more than seventy six members. What organization just 0:45:04.520 --> 0:45:08.200 puts out what the party costs, right, right? I mean 0:45:08.239 --> 0:45:11.280 I worked for a corporation and they put on an event, 0:45:11.840 --> 0:45:14.560 and I never go to human resources and say so 0:45:15.120 --> 0:45:20.879 how much. Yeah, yeah, I'm not sure what that is either. 0:45:20.880 --> 0:45:22.560 I mean, I could see where he would if he's 0:45:22.840 --> 0:45:25.200 telling the guy who's who's cutting the checks, well, here's 0:45:25.200 --> 0:45:27.040 what here's what it was. I'll send you to receipts 0:45:27.120 --> 0:45:29.080 later and for the cost. But does he need to 0:45:29.120 --> 0:45:31.319 tell everybody that. I don't think so, but I don't 0:45:31.360 --> 0:45:33.360 know it does It does look like a message for 0:45:33.520 --> 0:45:37.880 everybody that yeah, you all did Dutch Milo proud. Thanks. 0:45:38.120 --> 0:45:41.239 Is not that would be addressed to multiple people. Yeah, 0:45:41.640 --> 0:45:43.640 it maybe he just wanted to like let people know, hey, 0:45:43.920 --> 0:45:45.880 people be grateful. We spend a ton of money and 0:45:45.960 --> 0:45:49.200 you Yeah, maybe that's what it was. So the math 0:45:49.360 --> 0:45:52.160 equals out to that Milo had at least a half 0:45:52.280 --> 0:45:54.719 million dollars probably more, probably more like at least a 0:45:54.760 --> 0:45:57.680 million dollars to his name in assets when he died. 0:45:58.640 --> 0:46:01.600 That's factory in the onnuses that people were told. Well, 0:46:01.680 --> 0:46:03.800 that's what I'm saying is that like if all seventy 0:46:03.880 --> 0:46:08.239 six minimum members were getting paid out minimum, the three 0:46:08.280 --> 0:46:13.320 thousand dollars plus the cost of the party, it's that 0:46:13.480 --> 0:46:17.520 equals out to be like like for four thousand dollars 0:46:17.600 --> 0:46:19.680 something like that, almost half a million dollars. And you know, 0:46:20.200 --> 0:46:22.440 you don't know what my, my, those final wishes were 0:46:22.520 --> 0:46:24.560 to You might have you might have had a couple 0:46:24.560 --> 0:46:26.040 of million more. You just wanted that to go to 0:46:26.120 --> 0:46:28.680 too six and Shade or something something like that. Yeah, 0:46:28.800 --> 0:46:32.280 and then also of note Tommy and Fat Stew got injured. 0:46:33.280 --> 0:46:35.719 A hundred and eighty dollars is a lot to spend 0:46:35.800 --> 0:46:39.600 on medical supplies, A lot to spend a medical supplies, 0:46:39.760 --> 0:46:42.880 because I'm imagining you like go to the local local 0:46:42.960 --> 0:46:47.200 Walgreens and like get some medical supplies, like unless you're 0:46:47.200 --> 0:46:50.080 buying like an A five machine, if you're just getting 0:46:50.160 --> 0:46:53.400 some band aids and gauze. Hundred eight dollars is so 0:46:53.760 --> 0:46:56.480 much money to spend on medical supplies. And yeah, if 0:46:56.480 --> 0:46:57.759 you go to if you go to the e Er, 0:46:57.920 --> 0:47:00.320 it's not very much. It's at all for the e 0:47:00.719 --> 0:47:03.239 it's not that much. But I've been to you know, 0:47:03.440 --> 0:47:08.560 the Walgreens or whoever whatever your big pharmacy at store is, 0:47:09.640 --> 0:47:14.200 and it's not uncommon to walk through and see the 0:47:14.880 --> 0:47:17.360 average price. And that's this is here Importland. So I 0:47:17.440 --> 0:47:21.240 understand prices very all over the country, but in Portland, 0:47:21.800 --> 0:47:26.960 average price of things to run from ten to forty 0:47:27.120 --> 0:47:31.080 or fifty dollars an item, depending on what you're getting. 0:47:31.760 --> 0:47:33.520 So it could be that there was a couple of 0:47:33.640 --> 0:47:37.200 expensive things. I mean, I have no idea. Maybe somebody 0:47:37.239 --> 0:47:39.279 had to be allergy and those things aren't cheap. I 0:47:39.320 --> 0:47:41.839 don't know, it wasn't a b allergy thing. Don't write 0:47:41.880 --> 0:47:43.359 us in and say, Steve, you can't get that over 0:47:43.400 --> 0:47:46.000 the counter. I know you can't. The point is there 0:47:46.040 --> 0:47:49.200 are things that are really stupidly expensive over the counter, 0:47:49.360 --> 0:47:51.840 and it might not have been a whole bunch of stuff. 0:47:51.920 --> 0:47:55.080 I guess for me, we're talking like first aid stuff. 0:47:55.360 --> 0:47:57.360 You're not gonna go and say, like we spent a 0:47:57.440 --> 0:48:00.120 hundred and eighty dollars on ad bill, right, It's like 0:48:00.920 --> 0:48:03.480 stuff we needed to make sure that bleeding stopped for 0:48:03.560 --> 0:48:06.120 a minute. Yeah, it might be that, just it's one 0:48:06.160 --> 0:48:07.960 of those things. It's like if you if there were 0:48:08.040 --> 0:48:12.759 hotel supplied supplies. Yeah, so it's like everybody rated the 0:48:13.200 --> 0:48:15.480 first aid box in their room. How could have been 0:48:15.560 --> 0:48:17.600 that or it could have just been that, you know, 0:48:17.680 --> 0:48:19.839 it's it's just like reading the mini bar in your room. 0:48:19.920 --> 0:48:23.600 I mean, you pay stupidly, stupidly huge amounts of money 0:48:23.719 --> 0:48:26.080 for you know, not that much. Well, so the thing 0:48:26.160 --> 0:48:28.320 I was going to bring up is that to me, 0:48:29.400 --> 0:48:33.520 this post reads that Fat Tommy and Stu went to 0:48:33.600 --> 0:48:38.480 the hospital or went someplace else that medical supply does 0:48:38.560 --> 0:48:41.080 not apply to them because of the next post. I 0:48:41.120 --> 0:48:43.719 will agree with that. Okay, Okay, so yeah, let's talk. 0:48:43.840 --> 0:48:48.359 Let's read the next post. Okay. Nineteen February news Mad 0:48:48.440 --> 0:48:52.319 insurance went up. Sorry me and Shade cut our take 0:48:52.400 --> 0:48:55.000 by five percent to help cover the tab. You pay 0:48:55.080 --> 0:48:58.680 two percent more. Filled x x x x X spec 0:48:58.960 --> 0:49:03.600 Immediate need for Korean fluent Korean slash dialect, slash accent 0:49:04.000 --> 0:49:08.600 details after contact, six week half paste equester on refusal 0:49:09.400 --> 0:49:13.560 six mode gig bonus. So do you feel like we 0:49:13.640 --> 0:49:17.600 need to translate that posting Maybe a little bit. So, yeah, 0:49:17.920 --> 0:49:21.200 so it would be filled, which because it was filled 0:49:21.280 --> 0:49:25.440 right um. Specification immediate need for people who are fluent 0:49:25.480 --> 0:49:27.680 in Korean. They need to be fluent in Korean with 0:49:27.800 --> 0:49:31.120 a specific dialect or accent and those details will be 0:49:31.200 --> 0:49:34.560 given after contract. If you refuse that contract after be 0:49:34.600 --> 0:49:37.120 given the details, you're going to be sequestered on half 0:49:37.200 --> 0:49:40.440 pay for six weeks. The gig is six months and 0:49:40.680 --> 0:49:43.439 you'll get a bonus. We talked about this, this whole 0:49:43.480 --> 0:49:46.480 sequester thing. Yet it sounds like yeah, if if it's 0:49:46.520 --> 0:49:50.040 a secret thing, they like scuirrel, you away somewhere or 0:49:50.120 --> 0:49:52.480 so you can't talk or call or anybody. I'm trying 0:49:52.480 --> 0:49:55.320 to figure out, is it that or is it a 0:49:55.440 --> 0:49:59.080 salary thing? You know, like you get X amount every month? 0:49:59.760 --> 0:50:01.640 The let's just say I get two grand a month 0:50:01.920 --> 0:50:07.200 for being something and I'm gonna lose PAF of my 0:50:07.880 --> 0:50:12.319 my salary for six weeks. If I that's actually that's 0:50:12.320 --> 0:50:17.560 a good question for me. I go one of two ways. Either, uh, 0:50:17.760 --> 0:50:21.360 these people are paid salary all the time, right, And 0:50:21.560 --> 0:50:23.160 if they say oh, yeah, I'll do that job and 0:50:23.200 --> 0:50:24.760 they found out the details and they say oh, actually 0:50:24.800 --> 0:50:27.040 I won't do that job, their salary gets cut and 0:50:27.160 --> 0:50:29.480 they get put on this sequester of the they're not 0:50:29.600 --> 0:50:31.640 eligible for any more jobs than likely they have to 0:50:31.680 --> 0:50:33.759 be watched to make sure that they're not going to 0:50:34.040 --> 0:50:37.680 talk about the jobs that they learned about for X 0:50:37.840 --> 0:50:40.920 number of months. Or you say you know you're not 0:50:41.280 --> 0:50:44.239 you don't have a salary. The salary comes in with 0:50:44.400 --> 0:50:46.440 the job. You say yeah, I'll take that job. You 0:50:46.560 --> 0:50:48.520 learn the details. You say, actually I won't take that job, 0:50:48.560 --> 0:50:51.239 and they say, okay, you're not eligible for a job 0:50:51.400 --> 0:50:54.080 for the next whatever, but you'll get paid half of 0:50:54.160 --> 0:50:56.800 the salary that we were offering you in the interim 0:50:56.880 --> 0:50:59.400 to make it worth your while. The salary we were 0:50:59.480 --> 0:51:02.040 offering you for the job or just your normal salary. 0:51:02.560 --> 0:51:04.480 We either wouldn't in that instance, there wouldn't be a 0:51:04.480 --> 0:51:07.480 normal salary. See, okay, now that I will agree with 0:51:07.560 --> 0:51:10.840 your first version. The second version doesn't work. No, I agree, 0:51:11.120 --> 0:51:13.240 but I go back and forth a little bit, because, 0:51:13.640 --> 0:51:15.680 like you were saying, there's so much need that it 0:51:15.719 --> 0:51:17.719 would be possible for you to just kind of take 0:51:17.760 --> 0:51:20.040 whatever job you wanted. I don't that. I just don't 0:51:20.080 --> 0:51:24.440 think these guys were these ads were for like salary 0:51:24.560 --> 0:51:26.839 jobs where the guys getting paid annual salary. I think 0:51:26.880 --> 0:51:29.560 it's just a contractor kind of gig where you know, 0:51:29.760 --> 0:51:31.800 you get six months or six weeks or whatever, you 0:51:31.880 --> 0:51:34.440 get paid this amount this amount of money for doing 0:51:34.520 --> 0:51:37.399 this job. And as far as your food refusal it goes. 0:51:37.520 --> 0:51:40.319 I mean, I'm not sure you know exactly. I guess 0:51:40.360 --> 0:51:42.560 that means that for whatever reason you refuse to do 0:51:42.680 --> 0:51:45.160 the job, then then they squirrel you away somewhere they 0:51:45.200 --> 0:51:47.680 sequest to you, and they still pay you some money, 0:51:48.200 --> 0:51:51.440 you know, And that's the second option, right, So you 0:51:51.480 --> 0:51:54.480 guys are torn between both options. Yeah, I mean, it's 0:51:54.520 --> 0:51:57.640 just it doesn't financially, it doesn't make sense to me 0:51:58.200 --> 0:52:01.279 to have a guy read the details of a job, 0:52:01.960 --> 0:52:05.839 squirrel him away, pay for him wherever you've squirreled him away, 0:52:05.960 --> 0:52:09.279 and then pay him for being in that place. Well, 0:52:09.320 --> 0:52:11.080 you want to pay him for that. I mean, if 0:52:11.280 --> 0:52:15.520 if it's a sensitive mission, right and he could totally 0:52:15.800 --> 0:52:18.640 screw it up in the first six weeks, You're not 0:52:18.719 --> 0:52:21.440 gonna say, Okay, thanks for your time. By after he 0:52:21.520 --> 0:52:24.480 knows the details, you're gonna say, okay, I hear you. 0:52:24.920 --> 0:52:27.880 You don't want to do this weird blackwater potentially killing 0:52:28.200 --> 0:52:31.600 children operation. Okay, you're going to go sit in that 0:52:31.680 --> 0:52:34.560 hotel room for six weeks, no contact with anybody from 0:52:34.560 --> 0:52:36.600 the outside world. But we will pay you just to 0:52:36.640 --> 0:52:38.480 swait in a little bit, a little bit of money 0:52:38.560 --> 0:52:40.719 to make it worth your while. And I think this 0:52:40.840 --> 0:52:42.239 is the kind of thing if you're setting up kind 0:52:42.239 --> 0:52:44.879 of a bad incentive system for people to just show 0:52:44.960 --> 0:52:47.040 up and say, yeah, tell me about it. I'm not interested, 0:52:49.320 --> 0:52:51.640 but I was like, dude, I'm never going to go 0:52:51.719 --> 0:52:55.520 on a mission. Yeah exactly, but I'm assuming that. I'm 0:52:55.520 --> 0:52:57.640 assuming that if you refuse more than a couple of times, 0:52:57.719 --> 0:53:01.000 they probably like that as well. Yeah, it's got you know, 0:53:01.120 --> 0:53:04.120 I mean, the easy option is all right, I'm gonna 0:53:04.200 --> 0:53:07.640 take three jobs a year. I'm gonna turn down three 0:53:07.760 --> 0:53:10.960 jobs a year or whatever it is, and so I'm 0:53:10.960 --> 0:53:13.200 still gonna be making okay money, but I can slide 0:53:13.200 --> 0:53:15.640 by like it just doesn't make any sense. I agree. 0:53:15.680 --> 0:53:20.880 I lean more towards the you get paid a salary, like, 0:53:21.000 --> 0:53:23.800 no matter what, especially the health insurance thing, that you 0:53:23.920 --> 0:53:26.280 get paid an annual salary. And then if you refuse 0:53:26.320 --> 0:53:28.319 a job, it's a question, you know, you only make 0:53:28.400 --> 0:53:30.480 half of what you would usually make for that amount 0:53:30.480 --> 0:53:32.800 of time. I don't. I don't really think so myself, 0:53:32.880 --> 0:53:35.000 because I mean, it sounds like they've got so many 0:53:35.040 --> 0:53:38.680 different guys that they've got these guys on a salary for, 0:53:39.840 --> 0:53:41.680 you know, when when they're not sending out that often. 0:53:41.800 --> 0:53:44.480 Really um so it just seems it seems to be 0:53:46.520 --> 0:53:50.680 careful of going down making that assumption that the posts 0:53:50.680 --> 0:53:55.200 that we see are the only jobs that they had. Well. Additionally, 0:53:55.320 --> 0:53:58.000 I think there's something to be said for saying, Okay, 0:53:58.040 --> 0:54:00.279 you're going to make fifty year or you know, a 0:54:00.360 --> 0:54:03.160 hundred thousand dollars a year. If a single job pays 0:54:03.239 --> 0:54:07.360 your organization for hundred thousand dollars, half a million, a 0:54:07.480 --> 0:54:10.440 million dollars, the people who are collecting that money are 0:54:10.480 --> 0:54:14.360 still making a buttload of money on you and paying 0:54:14.440 --> 0:54:18.200 you whatever. So I think there's I have no idea 0:54:18.400 --> 0:54:21.200 what jobs like this pay on either end, you know, 0:54:21.360 --> 0:54:23.600 what people are willing to pay for these services or 0:54:23.640 --> 0:54:26.719 what people are paid for these services. And I think 0:54:27.280 --> 0:54:31.000 there is totally the opportunity there for saying we're gonna 0:54:31.040 --> 0:54:34.080 pay you a totally decent annual salary, you know, depending 0:54:34.120 --> 0:54:37.040 on how many jobs you do. You know, you're required 0:54:37.040 --> 0:54:38.960 to do this many jobs a year or something like that, right, 0:54:39.480 --> 0:54:42.440 your requires to five jobs a year or work x 0:54:42.560 --> 0:54:44.960 number of months or something like that. And we make 0:54:45.280 --> 0:54:47.520 so much money on this thing that it's okay that 0:54:47.600 --> 0:54:50.320 we're paying the salary even if you're not working. You know, 0:54:50.520 --> 0:54:54.560 I think there's probably a fair margin of air there. Yeah, 0:54:54.560 --> 0:54:58.000 I'm gonna stick with my side, but hey, yeah, and 0:54:58.080 --> 0:55:00.120 I think, so let's talk about the health insure. It's 0:55:00.160 --> 0:55:03.279 because yeah, next the next little bit on this. Yeah, 0:55:03.960 --> 0:55:06.919 we're talking about this post. Sure, it seems like fat 0:55:07.000 --> 0:55:10.040 Tommy and Stu had to make a claim against their insurance, 0:55:10.640 --> 0:55:13.120 which would likely have caused insurance to go up. And 0:55:13.400 --> 0:55:16.560 it means that something bigger went down than just the 0:55:16.719 --> 0:55:19.719 hundred and eighty dollars and maybe the hundreds and eighty 0:55:19.760 --> 0:55:23.319 dollars in medical supplies was for everyone else, something kind 0:55:23.360 --> 0:55:26.000 of big, like maybe a big fight or something happened 0:55:26.600 --> 0:55:28.640 and two guys had to be hospitalized and the rest 0:55:28.680 --> 0:55:30.920 of them were like, all right, butterfly bandages and gauze. 0:55:31.000 --> 0:55:33.440 That's going to get us through. I think the medical 0:55:33.480 --> 0:55:35.759 insurance going up was not related to the events of 0:55:35.840 --> 0:55:39.160 the post, because I mean, in sharance, companies don't find 0:55:39.239 --> 0:55:42.160 stuff out that fast and they don't move that fast. Yeah, 0:55:42.200 --> 0:55:45.800 this is but ten days twenty days later, yeah, not 0:55:46.080 --> 0:55:48.440 even yeah, like two weeks. And I was going to say, 0:55:48.560 --> 0:55:52.960 is that you would have to have an extremely small 0:55:53.160 --> 0:55:56.600 pool of members. That's what healthy companies call them. Your 0:55:56.640 --> 0:55:58.879 member pool would have to be super small for two 0:55:58.960 --> 0:56:04.200 people making claim to change your rate. I mean yeah, 0:56:04.239 --> 0:56:06.839 but still the and the other thing here is, uh, 0:56:07.840 --> 0:56:10.800 the nineteen that was seventeen days after we not now, okay, 0:56:10.840 --> 0:56:13.160 that was a month after. It's it's highly likely that 0:56:13.280 --> 0:56:15.600 the insurance company at that point had not even received 0:56:15.600 --> 0:56:19.560 any claims for the incident on the nineteen that happened. 0:56:20.200 --> 0:56:25.320 So yeah, I think it was just unrelated. That's fair. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Anyway, 0:56:25.560 --> 0:56:29.319 so there's more job postings until March twelfth of two 0:56:29.360 --> 0:56:32.480 thousand ten. So that's there's the answer to the question 0:56:32.600 --> 0:56:36.759 of how long was it before the um the post 0:56:36.960 --> 0:56:41.240 started to become encrypted? Because on March the posts started 0:56:41.280 --> 0:56:45.080 becoming encrypted because the people who were running that old 0:56:45.120 --> 0:56:51.040 guy's image posting discovered that the general population of Reddit 0:56:51.280 --> 0:56:55.320 had realized that there was some stuff being posted in 0:56:55.400 --> 0:56:58.359 the source code and they were reading it and analyzing. Yeah, 0:56:58.520 --> 0:57:01.279 so they decided to Like, so we're looking at eight 0:57:01.480 --> 0:57:04.560 or nine months, eight or nine months maybe, but again 0:57:04.800 --> 0:57:07.120 I don't have I don't have good dates for the 0:57:07.200 --> 0:57:10.839 actual first date that it was discovered. I'm only making 0:57:10.960 --> 0:57:13.960 that up based off of one of our posts that 0:57:14.120 --> 0:57:16.840 we have in the notes that we have here versus 0:57:16.960 --> 0:57:18.920 this date, and that's about eight or nine months yeah, 0:57:19.640 --> 0:57:22.800 close enough, close enough, less than a year. We start 0:57:22.880 --> 0:57:27.480 with encrypted hashes these UM, and the pads at the 0:57:27.560 --> 0:57:30.440 top of the text is like really really bizarre. We 0:57:30.560 --> 0:57:33.680 get things like don't Joe do you want to read these? Yeah? Yeah, 0:57:33.680 --> 0:57:38.680 Samuel Roger Basker flogger pinochet yeah, or and then upscale 0:57:38.720 --> 0:57:43.560 triangle topical tangent mars like what is going? They are 0:57:43.720 --> 0:57:48.080 their tongue twisters. They're really good alliteration, but they don't 0:57:48.120 --> 0:57:53.120 correspond with any phonetic alphabet out there, obviously, because you've 0:57:53.160 --> 0:57:54.760 got three t s in a row and they're using 0:57:54.800 --> 0:57:58.680 different words for um. You know, they're daily pads. They've 0:57:58.720 --> 0:58:01.560 got to be their daily at least. Yeah. Do you 0:58:01.640 --> 0:58:04.080 put your path out there for ever to see you though? Well, 0:58:04.160 --> 0:58:06.640 that's a good question, right, And UM, as far as 0:58:06.680 --> 0:58:08.440 I know, none of them, none of these have ever 0:58:08.520 --> 0:58:12.680 been decrypted, because after that it actually changed to a 0:58:12.720 --> 0:58:15.480 long string of numbers UM. And then after that it 0:58:15.600 --> 0:58:18.400 changed to a totally different kind of encryption. UM. In fact, 0:58:18.960 --> 0:58:21.160 here's what you had to say about this, And I 0:58:21.240 --> 0:58:23.080 think what they did was they switched over to PGP, 0:58:23.400 --> 0:58:27.320 which is a lot more accessible really than trying to 0:58:27.400 --> 0:58:31.040 sit there and decrypt something you know by hand. You 0:58:31.120 --> 0:58:33.040 can just use your pgp ky you know to do 0:58:33.120 --> 0:58:36.640 it in a text document. There's a thread on drunk 0:58:36.720 --> 0:58:41.240 Stepfather discussing the fate of that old guy's image hosting 0:58:41.360 --> 0:58:44.360 slash the Lake City Quiet Pills dot com and and 0:58:44.600 --> 0:58:48.240 many of the users on drunk Stepfather, like we said, 0:58:48.320 --> 0:58:50.720 we're associated with the Lake City Quiet Pills group, not 0:58:50.840 --> 0:58:53.240 all of them were. I'm pretty sure that the user 0:58:53.800 --> 0:58:59.280 Madame Miao was not Madame Yao. However, did eventually gain 0:58:59.320 --> 0:59:02.200 control of City Quiet fiels dot com and then, according 0:59:02.320 --> 0:59:07.960 to our anonymous Reddit user, I would say around actually 0:59:09.000 --> 0:59:11.960 so very recently, the server crashed and then they lost 0:59:12.000 --> 0:59:13.520 every bit of pictures on it. I don't think they're 0:59:13.520 --> 0:59:16.640 part about since, as far as I can tell um, 0:59:17.040 --> 0:59:21.400 the posts on the roots source stopped pretty quickly after 0:59:21.440 --> 0:59:24.960 they'd been discovered, even the encrypted ones. It's likely that 0:59:25.040 --> 0:59:27.480 the group decided or realized that they needed to be 0:59:27.560 --> 0:59:31.120 a little more sophisticated than whatever they were doing. Uh 0:59:31.280 --> 0:59:34.560 and their theories out there that the images themselves contained 0:59:34.600 --> 0:59:37.880 additional information, but I don't I'm not sure about that. 0:59:38.160 --> 0:59:42.240 I think it's an interesting theory, but I also think 0:59:42.560 --> 0:59:45.000 I don't know, maybe it seemed like it was safe 0:59:45.040 --> 0:59:48.280 to hide in plain site or I mean, I mean, okay, 0:59:48.360 --> 0:59:50.439 so like who's going to dig into the source code 0:59:50.440 --> 0:59:54.200 of like an image site, like a porn image site. Realistically, 0:59:54.280 --> 0:59:56.600 I mean, yeah, that is that is hiding plane site. 0:59:56.640 --> 1:00:00.160 But putting the you know what is the process us 1:00:00.240 --> 1:00:03.040 when you put the information in an image? I can't 1:00:03.080 --> 1:00:06.160 remember what that's called, and I can't remember either, Okay. 1:00:06.320 --> 1:00:09.680 The point is that seems like if if they're using 1:00:09.760 --> 1:00:14.120 such a simple system of what we've seen to put 1:00:14.200 --> 1:00:18.880 this information out there, that suddenly seems like a massively 1:00:19.040 --> 1:00:22.880 more sophisticated way to go about it by putting it 1:00:22.960 --> 1:00:27.080 into the images. So yeah, so actually there they're too. 1:00:27.160 --> 1:00:30.840 Really two interesting theories about this, and the first one 1:00:30.920 --> 1:00:34.440 was suggested to me by our expert Lori, who is 1:00:34.960 --> 1:00:37.960 she's been a computer science professor for like twenty years 1:00:38.040 --> 1:00:40.600 or something like that, and she thought that maybe it 1:00:40.680 --> 1:00:42.920 was like a holding tank, like they were just dumping 1:00:43.160 --> 1:00:47.040 this information into the root source code that's kind of 1:00:47.080 --> 1:00:52.240 an archive almost. However, since she suggested that, we've learned 1:00:52.360 --> 1:00:55.640 that users did see these things updated, it was things 1:00:55.680 --> 1:00:58.400 would change to fill there would be new posting that 1:00:58.640 --> 1:01:02.000 it's not really good. It's almost a log file, is 1:01:02.040 --> 1:01:04.360 what she was getting at it. It was logging it 1:01:04.440 --> 1:01:06.240 and just dumping it in and it would just keep 1:01:06.320 --> 1:01:08.240 putting new stuff at the top, or that it well, 1:01:08.320 --> 1:01:10.760 that it was an archive, that like that it was 1:01:10.840 --> 1:01:13.560 dumped off of an iron key to archive at someplace 1:01:13.640 --> 1:01:16.120 else for instance. Yeah, but like I said, since we 1:01:16.200 --> 1:01:19.200 did see it updated, or since I didn't, but since 1:01:19.280 --> 1:01:24.120 it was seen updated, and there's there's some series right 1:01:24.200 --> 1:01:27.360 that it was just accidentally. Yeah, so let's actually cut 1:01:27.480 --> 1:01:30.240 to Zeno. He has a really really really interesting theory 1:01:30.240 --> 1:01:33.360 about this. I think what was happening was that this 1:01:33.480 --> 1:01:36.800 stuff was being put into the into the root of 1:01:36.840 --> 1:01:40.960 the websites comments, the htmail comments by accident. I don't 1:01:40.960 --> 1:01:43.120 think that that was actually where they were posting this stuff. 1:01:43.600 --> 1:01:46.640 I think I think that it was some kind of error. 1:01:47.160 --> 1:01:50.920 You know, I used to do a limited amount of 1:01:51.200 --> 1:01:53.800 web programming when I first got out of the military 1:01:53.840 --> 1:01:56.040 as one of my you know, in a previous career 1:01:56.080 --> 1:02:00.440 of mine, I did a little bit of PHP. And 1:02:00.720 --> 1:02:02.720 I think what was going on was that when they 1:02:02.800 --> 1:02:06.680 developed that website badly at first, because it was clearly, 1:02:07.000 --> 1:02:10.280 clearly you know, kind of shade tree construction going on there, 1:02:10.720 --> 1:02:14.040 that they had done something where it was supposed to comment, 1:02:14.600 --> 1:02:16.680 you know, it's supposed to to to write out those 1:02:16.720 --> 1:02:18.920 comments just as a testing teacher, and they forgot to 1:02:18.960 --> 1:02:22.240 remove it. One of the other users in that forum mentioned, oh, 1:02:22.320 --> 1:02:24.960 I fixed it. Then you know it shouldn't appear there anymore, 1:02:25.160 --> 1:02:27.680 you know, like that, you know, as if you know, 1:02:27.760 --> 1:02:29.960 the encryption wasn't working, and now it is kind of thing, 1:02:30.120 --> 1:02:32.520 but it's just weird enough that I think it makes 1:02:32.600 --> 1:02:37.960 people developed even stranger theories, like well, then he's also 1:02:38.080 --> 1:02:40.400 hosting this web this image hosting site, you know, this 1:02:40.560 --> 1:02:42.680 religion and peace guy, and I think that it's not 1:02:42.840 --> 1:02:44.800 just so that he can post his pornography and his 1:02:44.960 --> 1:02:47.640 jail bait pictures, but also so that he can post 1:02:48.160 --> 1:02:52.400 steganography um and put hidden messages inside jpeg and gift 1:02:52.440 --> 1:02:55.480 images and stuff. And I don't know that that's what 1:02:55.640 --> 1:02:57.600 was going on. I kind of doubt it. These guys 1:02:57.640 --> 1:02:59.680 don't seem like they were that tex savvy, to be honest. 1:02:59.840 --> 1:03:02.280 I mean, if if if they were posting their job 1:03:02.360 --> 1:03:06.760 board in the comments of their main page, then yeah, 1:03:07.120 --> 1:03:11.080 I don't think tegonography is in their vocabulary. Okay. So anyways, 1:03:11.800 --> 1:03:15.000 in spite of five years of work, I mean a 1:03:15.160 --> 1:03:17.440 lot of users have looked into this, and it has 1:03:17.480 --> 1:03:20.480 been at least five six years worth of work, there's 1:03:20.520 --> 1:03:24.520 been almost no movement on the case since, uh, since 1:03:24.560 --> 1:03:27.240 it was first discovered. I suspect it might be at 1:03:27.280 --> 1:03:33.520 a dead end. So theories, please, theories. First, Let's talk 1:03:33.520 --> 1:03:36.400 about this bank thing. It's just a little weird. I 1:03:36.440 --> 1:03:38.120 don't I didn't really know where to put it other 1:03:38.200 --> 1:03:42.520 than theories, but it's an interesting tidbit. The bank thing, 1:03:42.840 --> 1:03:46.439 so who is was run on Lake City Quiet Hills 1:03:46.440 --> 1:03:50.320 dot com back in uh two thousand nine, and it 1:03:50.440 --> 1:03:53.640 yielded some really interesting results. Let's just let Zeno tell 1:03:53.720 --> 1:03:56.080 it real quick. It gets a lot weirder. You know, 1:03:56.200 --> 1:03:57.800 when we looked at I think we looked at it 1:03:57.920 --> 1:04:03.040 who is of the uh Lake Cities Quiet Pills dot 1:04:03.120 --> 1:04:06.200 com domain, and it kind of led us back to 1:04:06.320 --> 1:04:09.800 a bank that had Israeli connections. And then but it 1:04:09.880 --> 1:04:12.640 was just like a small obscure bank branch. And uh. 1:04:13.680 --> 1:04:20.560 Then you know the whole assassination date being party and 1:04:20.600 --> 1:04:25.120 all that. It's so so plausible when you read through 1:04:25.200 --> 1:04:29.480 the timeline of the assassination and uh kind of you know, 1:04:29.760 --> 1:04:32.040 the number of people that were involved, Like that assassination 1:04:32.240 --> 1:04:35.760 was executed by thirty three people, thirty five if you 1:04:35.800 --> 1:04:38.720 count the two Palestinians that were arrested. All of them 1:04:38.760 --> 1:04:41.720 had fake passports. And we're from all over the world, 1:04:41.800 --> 1:04:45.720 some from Austria, some from Australia, some from you know, 1:04:46.480 --> 1:04:48.919 all of our Europe, and some from the United States. Yeah. 1:04:49.280 --> 1:04:52.280 I remember it leading to a bank in the Midwest 1:04:53.200 --> 1:04:57.040 that had ties to Israel, and beyond that, I can't remember. 1:04:57.080 --> 1:04:59.160 I just remember it was a small, small bank. It 1:04:59.280 --> 1:05:03.400 wasn't like big national size bank. There's a small local 1:05:03.440 --> 1:05:07.520 bank with TYSDA Israel. The so I know, you know, 1:05:07.640 --> 1:05:12.320 there's the who is and which just who is is 1:05:12.640 --> 1:05:16.760 kind of the the Internet equivalent of the phone book. 1:05:17.040 --> 1:05:22.120 This phone number belongs to this person. Yeah, it's the 1:05:22.240 --> 1:05:26.080 very simple version of whose website is this? Okay, But 1:05:26.440 --> 1:05:30.440 there are services out there that you can purchase that 1:05:30.800 --> 1:05:35.320 mask you. So, you know, my my IP address of 1:05:35.440 --> 1:05:38.400 my server is blah blah blah blah blah, but this 1:05:38.600 --> 1:05:43.760 masking service covers that and says that it's actually something 1:05:43.920 --> 1:05:49.120 different which is under this kind of umbrella organization. But 1:05:49.280 --> 1:05:53.520 will that will that re route who is? Yes, Okay, 1:05:53.760 --> 1:05:56.920 that's the point of these services. So let's say that 1:05:57.400 --> 1:06:00.480 I start a website and I think that it's funny 1:06:00.560 --> 1:06:03.080 to put up all these scheezy photos of these girls 1:06:03.120 --> 1:06:05.000 that I take on the street, and the website is 1:06:05.000 --> 1:06:09.280 called Thinking Side with Podcast, and you know, and I 1:06:09.440 --> 1:06:13.600 decide it's probably not good if people know that where 1:06:13.760 --> 1:06:15.680 you know that I own it because I have a 1:06:15.800 --> 1:06:18.840 job that's a respectable professional thing. But my perverse thing 1:06:18.880 --> 1:06:21.640 to do is take up shots. Okay, Well I don't 1:06:21.680 --> 1:06:23.840 want them to know that. So I'm gonna go ahead 1:06:23.920 --> 1:06:28.160 and take this service, which web hosts offer at an 1:06:28.240 --> 1:06:32.680 obscenely cheap rate, like pennies on the dollar cheap, and 1:06:33.280 --> 1:06:36.640 it will bounce that so that you're under something else. 1:06:36.720 --> 1:06:41.520 So nobody knows that I Steve own that image site. 1:06:42.440 --> 1:06:45.800 It goes under this other thing. So that's that's the 1:06:45.920 --> 1:06:49.479 one thing that I thought about after the conversation with Zeno, 1:06:49.720 --> 1:06:53.040 is I wonder it seems likely, right? I mean, it's not. 1:06:54.320 --> 1:06:57.960 There was no attempts to hide the fact that Milo 1:06:58.200 --> 1:07:02.959 owned that site. It was attributed to him. No, explicitly. 1:07:03.320 --> 1:07:07.000 Nobody ever said, like, I don't know, I could do 1:07:07.120 --> 1:07:09.640 that with my website. Yeah, no, totally. I could say 1:07:09.880 --> 1:07:12.480 Steve the Skis totally owns this website, but no one 1:07:12.560 --> 1:07:14.880 knows who Steve the Skis in. Yeah. Absolutely, and I 1:07:15.560 --> 1:07:19.720 totally agree with that. It's just it's yeah, yeah, I 1:07:19.760 --> 1:07:21.800 mean that's but that's really good information. It's just something 1:07:21.840 --> 1:07:24.680 to keep in mind. It's interesting on either end. Right, 1:07:25.280 --> 1:07:29.720 Either a bank with ties to Israel owned this, which 1:07:31.120 --> 1:07:35.680 w yeah, or uh, there was a mask that happens 1:07:36.160 --> 1:07:39.640 and who decided the masket by putting it at a 1:07:39.760 --> 1:07:42.920 bank in Israel? That's a really that's a that's a 1:07:43.040 --> 1:07:46.520 great joke, but kind of a sick joke. Also another weird. 1:07:46.840 --> 1:07:51.160 It's just weird, weird, weird, weird altogether. Okay, So, um, 1:07:51.880 --> 1:07:55.880 I guess, as theories go, typical of Devon, a couple 1:07:56.000 --> 1:07:59.640 just big headers and tons of bullets. So let's say 1:07:59.720 --> 1:08:04.280 me pills, you start calling them quiet pills. Yeah, let's 1:08:04.360 --> 1:08:10.080 let's say it's real. Yeah, yeah, sure, I think it's real. Um, 1:08:10.520 --> 1:08:12.520 I think it's real. I just think it was a 1:08:12.640 --> 1:08:15.919 private sector maybe some blackwater stuff. And as Zeno said, 1:08:16.000 --> 1:08:19.439 it's it's probably not explicit like assassin work. Now, I 1:08:19.560 --> 1:08:22.160 doubt that. But as far as the assassins go, yeah, 1:08:22.200 --> 1:08:25.160 that's a pretty huge stable of assassins to have, it is. Yeah, 1:08:25.400 --> 1:08:27.160 really kind of a lot. But he like to have 1:08:27.280 --> 1:08:31.439 that many assassins available to me. I guess. Um. While 1:08:31.479 --> 1:08:35.680 we're talking about assassins, though, remember how a couple, Oh, 1:08:35.720 --> 1:08:37.800 I guess it was more than a couple. A while ago, 1:08:38.000 --> 1:08:40.839 I was talking about how something else really interesting happened 1:08:41.000 --> 1:08:45.200 on January nineteen, all the people to fake passports. Yeah, 1:08:46.439 --> 1:08:51.840 so you may or may not know that. On January ten, 1:08:51.960 --> 1:08:54.439 the same day as the quote unquote party was happening, 1:08:54.640 --> 1:08:58.280 thirty five people using fake passports murdered the co founder 1:08:58.320 --> 1:09:02.720 of the military wing of Hamas. His name was Mahmud 1:09:02.880 --> 1:09:07.120 al Mabou. This whole unsolved. It's a whole unsolved mystery 1:09:07.160 --> 1:09:11.360 in and of itself. It's a huge rabbit hole unsolved mystery, 1:09:11.760 --> 1:09:14.240 the assassination of this gentleman. Yeah, this is what I 1:09:14.280 --> 1:09:16.600 want to cover one of these videos. Yeah, this is 1:09:16.640 --> 1:09:19.240 a great mystery for Joe. But there is a theory 1:09:19.280 --> 1:09:21.000 out there that the Lake City quiet Pills were part 1:09:21.040 --> 1:09:24.200 of the organization that killed him. So maybe the party 1:09:24.280 --> 1:09:26.320 wasn't actually in New York at all. Yeah, and it does, 1:09:26.360 --> 1:09:29.120 I mean, it does seem unlikely, but the post does 1:09:29.320 --> 1:09:33.960 really suspiciously correspond with the fact that I don't know you. 1:09:34.800 --> 1:09:37.080 You know, it would also explain the money. It would 1:09:37.080 --> 1:09:41.920 explain the money makes way more sense and the locals, 1:09:42.400 --> 1:09:44.360 you know, I mean, okay, let's let's go back to 1:09:44.479 --> 1:09:49.240 that threat that post were we've got rooms for out 1:09:49.320 --> 1:09:52.519 of towners, which is people who aren't in that area, 1:09:52.600 --> 1:09:56.200 who are traveling international for this job. And the locals 1:09:56.280 --> 1:09:59.800 get a one day like that. That suddenly makes the 1:10:00.120 --> 1:10:03.840 money work out so much better. Yeah, there's a lot, 1:10:04.400 --> 1:10:07.720 a lot of stuff. And it also makes sense why 1:10:07.920 --> 1:10:13.040 you would post the money because this was a huge operation. 1:10:13.600 --> 1:10:17.439 Could have been their first time doing something on that scale. So, hey, guys, 1:10:17.600 --> 1:10:19.160 we're on the up and up. I know there was 1:10:19.240 --> 1:10:22.120 talk from Billy over the corner that we were doing 1:10:22.160 --> 1:10:25.160 something funny before we give him a quiet pill. We 1:10:25.240 --> 1:10:27.040 just wanted to prove that we were straight up with 1:10:27.080 --> 1:10:30.680 the money. Yeah. Yeah. The interesting thing though, is that 1:10:31.200 --> 1:10:34.559 you know, the people who are most motivated to murder 1:10:34.680 --> 1:10:38.599 the leader of the MOSS would be the Israelis. Yeah, 1:10:39.320 --> 1:10:43.679 which is actually is really interesting because the bank. Well yeah, 1:10:43.720 --> 1:10:46.000 it's interesting because of the bank, but also it's interesting 1:10:46.040 --> 1:10:50.240 because a lot of people were using Palestinian passports. These 1:10:50.280 --> 1:10:52.599 people were some of them, I mean, they were all fake. 1:10:52.840 --> 1:10:56.599 All of the passports were fake. They were stolen from people. Again, 1:10:56.720 --> 1:10:58.080 I don't want to go too deep into this, but 1:10:58.120 --> 1:11:02.919 they were stolen from people who were mostly dual citizens 1:11:03.000 --> 1:11:07.360 European and Israeli. Yeah. Um, and it was it was 1:11:07.400 --> 1:11:09.559 like thirty three people. It was like this huge operation. 1:11:10.080 --> 1:11:12.400 I'm sure we'll cover this at some point because it 1:11:12.479 --> 1:11:16.560 is this like huge mystery. But again, Zeno had some 1:11:16.680 --> 1:11:19.280 interesting things to say about this. You know, the dates 1:11:19.320 --> 1:11:23.200 are the same. They're talking about having thirty something hotel rooms. Um, 1:11:23.240 --> 1:11:25.519 they're talking about the party starting at a certain time, 1:11:25.800 --> 1:11:28.519 and this started at a certain time on their timeline. Uh, 1:11:29.000 --> 1:11:33.000 like uh, it all started really um for the team 1:11:33.040 --> 1:11:36.519 in Dubai around two pm. You know that that kind 1:11:36.560 --> 1:11:38.519 of roughly maps to the planet they were given the 1:11:38.600 --> 1:11:42.080 day before. And some people said, well, you know, who 1:11:42.120 --> 1:11:44.320 would give them all their orders like literally the day 1:11:44.400 --> 1:11:47.120 before or on the day of. That doesn't make any sense. Well, 1:11:47.200 --> 1:11:49.559 it just could have been loose reminders like hey, these 1:11:49.600 --> 1:11:51.880 are just your quick final instructions that they knew the 1:11:51.920 --> 1:11:54.320 deal before they went you know this, This was just 1:11:54.479 --> 1:11:58.479 like okay, guys, final final notes before we go again. 1:11:58.560 --> 1:12:00.640 I do think that this was a real thing. I 1:12:00.720 --> 1:12:04.160 don't think necessarily that they were involved with the assassination 1:12:04.200 --> 1:12:08.560 in Dubai, but it's definitely plausible given the overlapping information. 1:12:09.000 --> 1:12:12.240 I do think though, that they were involved in hiring 1:12:13.040 --> 1:12:18.479 mercenary types or armed security types for different things throughout 1:12:18.479 --> 1:12:20.439 the world. Whether they were for the good guys or 1:12:20.479 --> 1:12:22.960 the bad guys or the indifferent guys. Who knows. So 1:12:23.479 --> 1:12:26.759 the next theory is that it's a hoax. It probably 1:12:27.200 --> 1:12:29.320 I don't think it is. I don't you know what. 1:12:29.560 --> 1:12:32.559 The thing that I asked you to squirrel away earlier 1:12:32.880 --> 1:12:37.000 is that there's proof, like definitive. You can see it 1:12:37.240 --> 1:12:40.960 find it still to this day, proof that somebody with 1:12:41.120 --> 1:12:44.040 the domain with an email at Lakesy Quiet Pills dot 1:12:44.080 --> 1:12:49.040 com was posting on FARC as early as two thousand 1:12:49.120 --> 1:12:56.599 and one. That's a fourteen far long hoax. We're talking 1:12:56.680 --> 1:13:00.040 at this point. That's a really long hoax, but a 1:13:00.120 --> 1:13:03.360 long con It's a long, long comment. The thing about 1:13:03.920 --> 1:13:05.479 think about it is too, is if you're doing a 1:13:05.560 --> 1:13:08.679 long com, you're gonna like set up a website dedicated 1:13:08.720 --> 1:13:10.240 to this. It's not just that you're not just gonna 1:13:10.320 --> 1:13:13.040 leave it on Reddit, right, And you're also not going 1:13:13.120 --> 1:13:17.000 to let the website go defunct like they did with 1:13:17.360 --> 1:13:19.320 Lake City quite PILs dot com. Well, I mean that 1:13:19.479 --> 1:13:21.120 that actually could be a part of the strategy, is 1:13:21.120 --> 1:13:24.280 like you let the way let the website go away. Yeah, 1:13:24.479 --> 1:13:26.120 it's like, well we went away and we want somewhere 1:13:26.160 --> 1:13:28.400 else because of security considerations. But then you're still going 1:13:28.439 --> 1:13:30.400 to set up a couple of websites elsewhere We're going 1:13:30.479 --> 1:13:32.960 to discuss this huge unsolved mystery and try to get 1:13:33.000 --> 1:13:35.840 it publicized. You're gonna try to create a Wikipedia page 1:13:35.920 --> 1:13:38.920 for it. Most this thing doesn't have So if it 1:13:39.000 --> 1:13:41.599 was a long con, it's not very good. Yeah, not really, 1:13:41.800 --> 1:13:43.880 but I haven't done it right. My other thing is 1:13:44.080 --> 1:13:46.559 is that like the the the age of that at 1:13:46.720 --> 1:13:51.280 Lake City Pills dot com address. I manage a lot 1:13:51.360 --> 1:13:53.439 of websites for people, you know, It's just part of 1:13:53.520 --> 1:13:57.040 what I do. And I have folks that use emails 1:13:57.080 --> 1:14:01.360 through their website and they've had that website for getting 1:14:01.439 --> 1:14:04.960 close to a decade. Now all of their email goes 1:14:05.080 --> 1:14:07.920 through it. Do you know what what we've done to 1:14:08.040 --> 1:14:11.080 update their website in the last eight years. Not a 1:14:11.160 --> 1:14:15.240 damn thing. I mean, really, the website could go away 1:14:15.360 --> 1:14:17.839 for all I care and be just a blank page. 1:14:18.200 --> 1:14:19.640 They're just using it as a way to get their 1:14:19.680 --> 1:14:22.479 email because they like having their own email. This goes 1:14:22.520 --> 1:14:25.960 the opposite way. But I'm saying the age of it 1:14:26.200 --> 1:14:30.080 is that it may have started as just let's just 1:14:30.200 --> 1:14:32.120 start this thing, and we did this, and it wasn't 1:14:32.200 --> 1:14:34.679 you know, the website sucked because you know what, angel 1:14:34.760 --> 1:14:37.160 to six, you're terrible at building website. But hey, at 1:14:37.200 --> 1:14:39.439 least we got an email account, and now we all 1:14:39.479 --> 1:14:41.280 have our email accounts. I don't want to get rid 1:14:41.320 --> 1:14:43.120 of my email account because that's such a pain in 1:14:43.160 --> 1:14:46.040 the butt to tell everybody where I'm at. I can't 1:14:46.160 --> 1:14:49.160 forward it because you'll kill it. So it I do 1:14:49.320 --> 1:14:51.439 this all the time, and I know I tries people nuts, 1:14:51.479 --> 1:14:53.120 but I just look at it from the kind of 1:14:53.439 --> 1:14:57.800 the ocums raiser, the simplest lazy perspective. They did this thing. 1:14:58.200 --> 1:15:00.800 It's there, it's kind of cheap just keep using it 1:15:00.920 --> 1:15:04.880 and then at some point somebody hacked it or somebody 1:15:05.000 --> 1:15:08.160 took it over and turned it into this other thing, 1:15:08.520 --> 1:15:11.360 into a hoax. Well, yeah, turn it into this this 1:15:11.560 --> 1:15:14.280 you know, got in there and built something else on 1:15:14.479 --> 1:15:16.920 top of it. Yes, I mean, I think it's just 1:15:17.160 --> 1:15:21.519 weird that they're I mean, you know, like on any 1:15:21.640 --> 1:15:24.519 form you see right that you've got those users who 1:15:24.560 --> 1:15:28.519 have their like little little animated picture and they're like, yeah, 1:15:28.800 --> 1:15:30.800 but the fact that the sign off was dispensing Lake 1:15:30.800 --> 1:15:33.720 City Quiet pills to unlucky blah blah blah blah blah 1:15:33.720 --> 1:15:37.400 blah blah blah, since whatever. Yeah, the fact that it 1:15:37.560 --> 1:15:39.840 was so connected to the stuff that was happening in 1:15:39.920 --> 1:15:43.000 the root source, it just it seems like too big. 1:15:43.120 --> 1:15:45.840 Like if we're gonna go Acom's razor, the simplest explanation 1:15:46.000 --> 1:15:49.120 is that it's all real. It's not that somebody later 1:15:49.720 --> 1:15:52.240 took this and did a hoax on top of it 1:15:52.400 --> 1:15:55.120 to like create this one thing. I'm gonna let it go. 1:15:56.439 --> 1:15:59.519 We could argue that back and forth, we can, and 1:15:59.800 --> 1:16:03.360 it's gonna get us nowhere. That's so I'm gonna I'm 1:16:03.400 --> 1:16:06.719 just gonna let it go. I don't think that that's 1:16:06.920 --> 1:16:10.640 the case. But moving forward, what is I don't know 1:16:10.680 --> 1:16:14.479 if there anymore in this the whole hoax arena, No, no, 1:16:14.640 --> 1:16:16.080 I just I was the only thing I was gonna 1:16:16.080 --> 1:16:19.280 say is that how many people have actually gone into 1:16:19.320 --> 1:16:22.519 the HTML and seeing this stuff and themselves on Lake 1:16:22.560 --> 1:16:25.280 City Quite Pills. Yeah, I don't know. I don't like 1:16:25.360 --> 1:16:28.920 there's any more than dozens. I would say a lot. 1:16:29.040 --> 1:16:33.920 I'm being conservative. So it did exist then, absolutely, Yeah, 1:16:34.080 --> 1:16:36.160 that way, I guess, kind of arguing, guess, I guess 1:16:36.240 --> 1:16:38.680 it being a hoax, so there's still a strange communication 1:16:38.720 --> 1:16:41.000 system they had going there. It is again, it's you know, 1:16:41.120 --> 1:16:43.960 totally possible, as you know, positive that it was just 1:16:44.160 --> 1:16:49.320 a accident. Yeah, possible. Yeah. So the one last theory 1:16:49.360 --> 1:16:52.000 that we have is that it's an ergy. No freaking 1:16:52.040 --> 1:16:56.479 way Field, I didn't know we were still connected to 1:16:56.560 --> 1:16:59.880 that guy. Let's talk about this for a second. Okay, 1:17:00.400 --> 1:17:04.120 So my argument against it being an r G is 1:17:04.200 --> 1:17:07.320 that like Lake City Quiet Pills dot Com isn't exactly 1:17:07.400 --> 1:17:09.000 the kind of website that you would want to use 1:17:09.080 --> 1:17:14.599 for your marketing. Stunt slash companies, slash all inclusive game, right, 1:17:14.680 --> 1:17:19.439 It's basically a porn site. Basically a porn site. You 1:17:19.479 --> 1:17:22.200 don't really want to be running your alternate game reality 1:17:22.600 --> 1:17:25.240 in the source code of that. But okay, maybe fine. 1:17:25.760 --> 1:17:28.600 On the other hand, maybe it's an a r G 1:17:29.080 --> 1:17:31.920 and all the Reddit users have been quote unquote investigating 1:17:31.960 --> 1:17:33.800 it the most are in fact part of the whole 1:17:33.880 --> 1:17:37.080 damn thing, and they've been perpetuating the myth the entire time. 1:17:37.680 --> 1:17:41.360 Guess what, we can't actually rule that out, but exactly 1:17:41.520 --> 1:17:43.879 what is it? What kind of thing is it promoting? 1:17:44.400 --> 1:17:46.759 It's not it's not that it would be a promotion. 1:17:46.840 --> 1:17:48.439 It's that it would be an actual game that people 1:17:48.439 --> 1:17:51.120 are participating in, like a role playing game, that people 1:17:51.160 --> 1:17:53.679 are actually participating in pretending to be these different agents 1:17:55.080 --> 1:17:57.280 quote unquote going out in the real world. They're not 1:17:57.360 --> 1:18:01.760 actually that are pretending to be these people, and that, right, 1:18:01.840 --> 1:18:06.040 it is just continuing to perpetuate that, right, Okay, in fairness, 1:18:06.240 --> 1:18:08.880 here's let's just hear what Zino has to say in full, 1:18:09.160 --> 1:18:12.200 no freaking way. Other people think that it's it's a hoax. 1:18:12.640 --> 1:18:14.720 You know that somebody just put this together is to 1:18:15.040 --> 1:18:18.080 control some people. If so, then the amount of dedication 1:18:18.120 --> 1:18:21.200 that that would take is just just incredible, unprecedented. You know, 1:18:21.560 --> 1:18:26.080 it's ridiculous. I think it's real. What do you guys think, Um, well, 1:18:26.439 --> 1:18:30.840 um yeah, it's it's hard to believe, but that it 1:18:30.920 --> 1:18:36.000 really is the best alternative. But I think, like Zeno 1:18:36.240 --> 1:18:38.360 is that it was just an error that caused some 1:18:38.439 --> 1:18:40.679 of the stuff to be written into the HTML code, 1:18:41.320 --> 1:18:43.519 either as like comments or logs or something like that. 1:18:43.880 --> 1:18:48.960 And and but it's the comments are kind of disjointed, 1:18:49.040 --> 1:18:52.200 like especially the stuff concerning the party, and you kind 1:18:52.240 --> 1:18:54.400 of feel like not everything made it out there. And 1:18:54.479 --> 1:18:56.800 I don't know why that is. You'd think that we 1:18:56.880 --> 1:19:00.200 would have a more complete record of these communications. Um, 1:19:00.800 --> 1:19:05.880 So I don't really get that why, But yeah, I'm torn. 1:19:06.720 --> 1:19:08.960 They're I'm going to use air quotes around the word 1:19:09.040 --> 1:19:13.400 evidence because it's just data on the Internet. But the 1:19:13.479 --> 1:19:18.360 evidence that we have does lend itself to show that 1:19:18.520 --> 1:19:21.920 this probably was a thing. But at the same time, 1:19:23.000 --> 1:19:26.120 I'm not convinced. I mean, it just again to me, 1:19:26.200 --> 1:19:29.320 it's just something that could be a simple hoax of 1:19:29.479 --> 1:19:33.360 some goofball doing something and thinking he was being funny 1:19:34.120 --> 1:19:38.280 and then realizing that people were reading what he was 1:19:38.360 --> 1:19:41.280 putting up and deciding to troll them a little more 1:19:42.240 --> 1:19:46.800 and troll them for a while and then say, let 1:19:46.880 --> 1:19:50.400 me pull the ultimate troll and just start putting up 1:19:50.479 --> 1:19:55.800 gibberish and then do nothing like that's that's completely plausible. 1:19:57.280 --> 1:19:59.880 I'm very I'm very torn. Well, here's a here's a 1:20:00.000 --> 1:20:02.240 the reason I don't. I don't think that's the case. 1:20:02.439 --> 1:20:06.519 It's possible, but this isn't really actually a very sexy case. 1:20:07.640 --> 1:20:10.719 People going to try to stot to like, you know, really, 1:20:10.960 --> 1:20:13.479 you know, get something going do or do really do 1:20:13.560 --> 1:20:15.800 a long com You don't you think it's going to 1:20:15.920 --> 1:20:20.639 involve kidnapping, murder stuff like that. I mean, this stuff 1:20:20.760 --> 1:20:23.920 is just guys going out and being security guards basically 1:20:24.000 --> 1:20:26.400 bodyguards and stuff like that. I guess the other reason 1:20:26.479 --> 1:20:30.360 that I think it's real is because they vaguely reference 1:20:30.880 --> 1:20:33.920 going out into the field in the forums in Drunk 1:20:33.960 --> 1:20:37.080 step Father, you know, is there are these discussions that 1:20:37.120 --> 1:20:40.240 are they don't say anything explicit obviously, but users on 1:20:40.360 --> 1:20:44.720 drunk Stepfather, who are all members of or not all 1:20:44.800 --> 1:20:47.000 of the people who are posting these things on drunk 1:20:47.040 --> 1:20:50.320 Stepfather are also people who we can associate pretty closely 1:20:50.439 --> 1:20:54.000 with Lake City Quiet Pills they're talking about fuel experience, 1:20:54.000 --> 1:20:57.839 they're talking about army experience. It's it's corroborated in different formats, 1:20:57.880 --> 1:21:01.600 in different forums where they're talking about these things. So 1:21:02.000 --> 1:21:04.840 for me, that speaks to more than just one dude 1:21:04.920 --> 1:21:08.160 saying like that, let's do this funny hoax. But I 1:21:08.439 --> 1:21:13.080 I still I can see one dude finding all kinds 1:21:13.160 --> 1:21:18.240 of joy and making multiple accounts and juggling that crap. 1:21:18.360 --> 1:21:21.120 I mean, I mean, there there was a time where 1:21:21.200 --> 1:21:23.719 I thought, hey, it would be funny to pull this gag, 1:21:23.960 --> 1:21:25.800 and I started to figure out how to pull a 1:21:25.840 --> 1:21:30.000 gag on the internet and realize very quickly, A, I 1:21:30.240 --> 1:21:31.800 wasn't going to be able to pull it off, but 1:21:32.000 --> 1:21:35.200 be there's a lot of work and a whole lot 1:21:35.240 --> 1:21:37.880 of or like you've gotta be really organized. So but 1:21:38.040 --> 1:21:41.120 there are people like that, Absolutely there are. But I 1:21:41.200 --> 1:21:44.479 guess not to like be a jerk. But your original 1:21:44.560 --> 1:21:46.960 argument was like, well, it's all comes rasor that it's 1:21:47.000 --> 1:21:49.519 like simpler that it's one dude like but at this 1:21:49.640 --> 1:21:52.280 point anymore. But but that's the thing is that that 1:21:52.439 --> 1:21:54.760 this is why I'm torn because I can see I 1:21:54.880 --> 1:21:57.080 can see it being that simple. I can see a 1:21:57.160 --> 1:22:00.160 bit that that complex and sadly I can see go 1:22:00.320 --> 1:22:03.040 with nine degrees he have a direction where it is. Again, 1:22:03.200 --> 1:22:07.680 some jerkuad hacks their server. I mean we've had conversations 1:22:07.720 --> 1:22:09.960 about servers that have been happy I've had to deal 1:22:10.040 --> 1:22:16.960 with and it's like whoa what and nobody knew you? 1:22:17.200 --> 1:22:19.160 And that's I think that's the thing about this case 1:22:19.240 --> 1:22:22.920 that had me, you guys know, down rabbit hole for 1:22:23.520 --> 1:22:26.800 a couple of months. Now it'll be great to have 1:22:27.000 --> 1:22:31.439 I've been obsessed lost did Yeah, it's insane. I didn't 1:22:31.520 --> 1:22:33.360 really have thirty pounds to lose, but here I am 1:22:33.520 --> 1:22:35.880 just a bone and some skin. Can we finish up 1:22:35.920 --> 1:22:43.720 skeletor no? Because there's enough, there's enough information out there 1:22:43.800 --> 1:22:46.320 that it's intriguing, but not enough that we will ever 1:22:46.479 --> 1:22:50.519 get closure. Probably no, especially the site's gone. Yeah, this 1:22:50.840 --> 1:22:54.479 this whole case it's gone. 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