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Speaker 1: of things we simply don't know the answer too. Hey, guys,
Speaker 1: welcome to another episode of Thinking Sideways the podcast. I'm Devin.
Speaker 1: I'm joined as always by Joe and Steve. I'll let
Speaker 1: them introduce themselves. Guys over there, we're gonna talk about
Speaker 1: a mystery that you probably haven't heard of tonight. It's
Speaker 1: called the Lake City Quiet Pills and strap in because
Speaker 1: won't be a long one. We're going to talk really,
Speaker 1: really really slowly. Yeah. I'm going to talk normal, yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: and with the upwards inflection if you would please slowly yes.
Speaker 1: My interest in this case actually came from a message
Speaker 1: I got on Reddit from user by the name of
Speaker 1: Captain Cannibal. And to be upfront because I know some
Speaker 1: people take issue with this when we do episodes like this.
Speaker 1: This mystery pretty much everything that you actually literally everything
Speaker 1: that you find on it is on Reddit or on
Speaker 1: the actual sources that we're going to talk about. It's
Speaker 1: an Internet based it's an Internet based mystery, but beyond that,
Speaker 1: it's a very obscure inter based, Internet based mystery, so
Speaker 1: that you can't go out. There's not a Wikipedia page
Speaker 1: about this, for instance, right, there's not articles about this.
Speaker 1: There's not a huge amount of information about this mystery.
Speaker 1: So the sources are fairly condensed. But we have gone
Speaker 1: to the actual source. We've done interviews, we did our
Speaker 1: research on this one. Um, as these guys can tell you,
Speaker 1: because I've been talking about it for weeks and weeks
Speaker 1: and weeks, people have been talking about it for years,
Speaker 1: for years and years, and so I just want to
Speaker 1: say that up front, Yes, we're going to talk about
Speaker 1: Reddit a lot, and that's our primary source for this.
Speaker 1: But there's a reason for it. And as far as
Speaker 1: I can tell, this story starts with a Reddit user.
Speaker 1: Weird because it's a Reddit thing. Well, okay, it starts
Speaker 1: with a few Reddit users. Um, Okay, maybe it just
Speaker 1: starts with this user whose name was Zaskawanza saskawan Um.
Speaker 1: But this this user is no longer a user on Reddit.
Speaker 1: Their account has been deleted, and it started innocently enough.
Speaker 1: In two thousand nine, a user it was their first post.
Speaker 1: They made an account to make this post, and their
Speaker 1: user name was to six and they posted user Religion
Speaker 1: of Peace had passed away, and it was reported that
Speaker 1: this user's real name was Milo and that he was
Speaker 1: seventy nine years old. He was described as ornery and mean.
Speaker 1: Um And I wasn't on Reddit at this point in
Speaker 1: the game, but as far as I can tell, it
Speaker 1: was it was. It definitely didn't have nearly as many
Speaker 1: subreddits as it did. The community was much more tighten it.
Speaker 1: Do you remember when did Reddit officially start? I'm trying
Speaker 1: to remember. It was two Yeah, that sounds right, Okay,
Speaker 1: so it was only like a year or so old,
Speaker 1: so it makes sense that it wouldn't be the sprawling
Speaker 1: beast that it is today. Yeah. So, Actually, the big
Speaker 1: thing that happened in in today's history of Reddit Dig.
Speaker 1: Do you guys remember dig that website? There was this
Speaker 1: website that was kind of the precursor to Reddit called
Speaker 1: dig because you could dig it. You could dig it,
Speaker 1: and there's this huge exodus that happened, And I'll be honest,
Speaker 1: I don't remember why, nor did I look it up
Speaker 1: because I don't care, but this huge excedus happened of
Speaker 1: dig and that happened I would see, uh, mid to
Speaker 1: late two thousand nine. So it's just after this whole
Speaker 1: thing kind of got started, and that's when a huge
Speaker 1: influx of users started to come to read it and
Speaker 1: it kind of starts to develop into the community that
Speaker 1: it is today. Got it. So that's where the large
Speaker 1: base of users, a lot of not all of them, certainly,
Speaker 1: but no, I didn't know that. That's interesting, Okay, got it.
Speaker 1: Uh So the news of Milo's death did seem to
Speaker 1: hit a lot of people hard. I guess he was
Speaker 1: a who's a pretty well known user. He had reportedly,
Speaker 1: you know, he was the kind of guy. He enlisted
Speaker 1: at the military at fourteen to fight the Nazis. He
Speaker 1: would like lied about his age. You know, there's a
Speaker 1: lot of lore around this guy. He tells a lot
Speaker 1: of stories. He had set up a fair number of
Speaker 1: people with quote unquote gigs after they left their military service,
Speaker 1: mercenary type jog. Yeah, I don't know that. You know,
Speaker 1: it was kind of the mean, but an enigmatic character.
Speaker 1: I get. Oh. He was also the mod of the
Speaker 1: subreddit jail bait, Our jail bait, and then um our
Speaker 1: real jail jail bait. You may remember there was a
Speaker 1: huge Anderson Cooper controversy. I was going to say, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's not the nicest subreddit ever. Did anybody should ever
Speaker 1: say well, it wasn't it wasn't. I think actually, if
Speaker 1: I recall correctly, the that famous quote about child pornography,
Speaker 1: the I don't know what it is, but I know
Speaker 1: it when I see it quote. Do you remember this?
Speaker 1: There was like a Supreme Court justice who they said, well,
Speaker 1: what is child pornography? And he said, I don't know
Speaker 1: what it is, but I know when I see it.
Speaker 1: I think it was I can't remember who it was,
Speaker 1: but I think it was like, you know what is
Speaker 1: obscenity and I don't. I don't know what obscenity is,
Speaker 1: but I do want to see it. I believe maybe anyway,
Speaker 1: this this whole jail bait and real j jail bait,
Speaker 1: they weren't naked pictures. They were just pictures of attractive,
Speaker 1: underaged girls. That's even worse. Well let's move forward, please.
Speaker 1: So Milo apparently owned this web site called that Old
Speaker 1: Guy's Image Host, which had been set up for him
Speaker 1: by two six, that user that we're talking about two
Speaker 1: seconds ago, and when you set up the account to
Speaker 1: say that he passed to let everybody know that he
Speaker 1: had passed away. Yeah, and that old guy's image host
Speaker 1: was a image hosting site primarily for pornography. But it
Speaker 1: was kind of kind of like Inger a little bit.
Speaker 1: It was just you know, there were a lot out
Speaker 1: there at that time, but they set this one up
Speaker 1: so they wouldn't be restricted by anyone else's rules, or
Speaker 1: I guess Milo set it up so he wouldn't be
Speaker 1: restricted by anyone else's rules except for the fans when
Speaker 1: they catch up with him. Well, it was it was
Speaker 1: child and adult pornography and the only rules were no
Speaker 1: beastiality and no bodily fluids. And the domain name for
Speaker 1: this website was Lake City Quiet Pills dot com. Yeah,
Speaker 1: for reasons unknown users, sas Kuwan started poking around the
Speaker 1: h HMEL. I've heard this is a thing that coders
Speaker 1: do and like just on habit basically as they checked
Speaker 1: the source code. I've actually done it to website to
Speaker 1: see how they did something. But I think on this one,
Speaker 1: you know, some people just kind of they just yeah,
Speaker 1: so he just he just viewed the source code of
Speaker 1: Lake City Quiet Pills dot com and found something odd
Speaker 1: which appeared to be messages like a job posting board,
Speaker 1: and he posted, I'm sorry I should pause here to
Speaker 1: say I'm just assigning the heat pronoun to this user.
Speaker 1: No idea at all, just just assigning that pronoun because
Speaker 1: I guess that's what you do. Anyways, this user posted
Speaker 1: a transcript of the messages that were found in the
Speaker 1: root source on the subreddit WTF and you can still
Speaker 1: see that post today and it does it reads like
Speaker 1: a job board. Um. And a while later, another editor
Speaker 1: dar Roa you stroa was poking around to follow up
Speaker 1: or see interesting things theirselves for the website in the
Speaker 1: source code of the red site yeah, and realized that
Speaker 1: the code actually had been changed to a cipher or
Speaker 1: a number encryption. At this point, user xenophobee was also
Speaker 1: caught up in the case. And um, they were kind
Speaker 1: of the two big posters about this, and this is
Speaker 1: you know, so this was five six years ago and
Speaker 1: they were the two kind of push investigators on this,
Speaker 1: and then about a year ago two new investigators kind
Speaker 1: of came in on this and they were Jason Lee
Speaker 1: and um m das eight four one four. But I'm
Speaker 1: getting a little hold of myself here, Slow down, slow down.
Speaker 1: Five years ago, when all the users started to notice
Speaker 1: these things, they started to post actually really please for help, saying, hey,
Speaker 1: we found this thing. You know what sounds crazy, but
Speaker 1: can you guys help us try and translate it? Can
Speaker 1: you help us investigate it? You know, just it's interesting,
Speaker 1: let's figure out what's going on. And a lot of
Speaker 1: other Reddit users started saying that they thought that it
Speaker 1: was actually an a r G. You guys remember a
Speaker 1: r G S one. Yeah, it's an alternate reality game. Um.
Speaker 1: Oftentimes it's a marketing gimmick that was kind of tried
Speaker 1: to get people to create hype around a thing without
Speaker 1: actually explicitly saying what that thing was. You know, you
Speaker 1: can it's an actual game that people play as well.
Speaker 1: It's not just a marketing gimmick. Well, that's how they
Speaker 1: get people to get excited about it and generate all
Speaker 1: the buzz. Sometimes, yeah, for yeah, like I said, sometimes
Speaker 1: marketing gimmicks. Sometimes it's just an actual game that people play.
Speaker 1: Another user at this point, UM does a google on
Speaker 1: Lake City Quiet Pills, which apparently nobody had done at
Speaker 1: the time. That's why I don't know. That's fine, uh,
Speaker 1: and found some interesting things. This person found that a
Speaker 1: user on farc dot com. You guys remember farc dot
Speaker 1: com really dot com. It was an Internet link cultivating website.
Speaker 1: It just like posted links to funny things that anyways,
Speaker 1: there was a yeah, pretty much. Um, there was a
Speaker 1: user on farc dot com with an address that was
Speaker 1: at Lake City Quiet Pills dot com named angel to six,
Speaker 1: and that user had been posting on farc dot com
Speaker 1: since two thousand one with the slogan of quote dispensing
Speaker 1: Lake City quiet pills to lousy bastards in need of
Speaker 1: permanent rest since nineteen sixty unquote. This this bit of information.
Speaker 1: File it away. It'll be significant when we start talking
Speaker 1: about theories. So that's angel to six since nineteen so
Speaker 1: you must be he must have been born about nineteen
Speaker 1: fifty then, right, yeah, maybe, So what is the I mean,
Speaker 1: we've got the website and now we're finding a statement
Speaker 1: for the same thing of Lake City Quiet Pills. So
Speaker 1: what is the significance of that. The speculation is, and
Speaker 1: I fully agree with this, that a Lake City Quiet
Speaker 1: pill is referring to the Lake City Ammunition Plant, which
Speaker 1: is a US government owned ammunition facility in Independence, Missouri.
Speaker 1: UM and they produce a range of ammunition ammunition for
Speaker 1: the use of the US government, Army, Navy, things like that.
Speaker 1: It's some massive that place, yeah, huge, and gosh, can
Speaker 1: you joe. They produce what produced military m O and
Speaker 1: it's it's not only for the government, but also some
Speaker 1: of it goes to civilian sales. You know, stuff like
Speaker 1: five five six and seven six to which I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: I five five six is a is a is a
Speaker 1: rifle around and choosing the the M four carbing that
Speaker 1: the military uses, Okay, I know, yeah, and then some
Speaker 1: of them, uh you know, the M fourteen and some
Speaker 1: of those rifles are chambered in seven six two, which
Speaker 1: is also known as three away. That's a civilian designation. Okay.
Speaker 1: You know, things like nine millimeter fifty cow twenty millimeter,
Speaker 1: which is the stuff to using in the nose guns
Speaker 1: of fighter jets. Okay, so big guns. Yeah. Again and
Speaker 1: again this goes to the government, but also they sell
Speaker 1: to the civilian market too. Yeah. And we know from
Speaker 1: some talking that we've done with some people that UM
Speaker 1: It's maybe not the most widely used slang term, but
Speaker 1: it is a military slang term to a lot of
Speaker 1: special ops snipers. Quiet pills. Okay, not the Lake City
Speaker 1: party is only because of the munitions yeah factory. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So they use the term quiet pills as kind of
Speaker 1: a tongue in cheek reference to killing somebody. You gotta
Speaker 1: have a sense of humor. You, I think you probably do,
Speaker 1: yeah at some point, and I'm not sure when. It's
Speaker 1: not very clear to me when this happened, but the
Speaker 1: amateur investigators five years ago on Reddit discovered that that
Speaker 1: old guy's image hosting was actually just an image hosting
Speaker 1: site for a larger form site that was called Drunk
Speaker 1: Stepfather dot com. Name Lassie. Yes, it's kind of like
Speaker 1: m Most story listeners can put this in the frame
Speaker 1: of reference of it's Reddit's emger as far as you
Speaker 1: can tell. You know, imger is built as an image
Speaker 1: serving or an image hosting site specifically for Reddit, and
Speaker 1: it seems that that was the case for this Drunk
Speaker 1: Stepfather website as well. So it turns out not every
Speaker 1: user on Drunk step Father was also a user on
Speaker 1: Lake City Quiet Pills, but every user on Lake City
Speaker 1: Quiet Pills was a user on Drunk Stepfather. Yeah, Steve, Steve, Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm visualizing this. Okay. So it's it's like square rectangle,
Speaker 1: got it right? Okay, ye, that makes sense. So Lake City.
Speaker 1: So Lake City Quiet Pills would be the rectangle in
Speaker 1: this and Drunk Stepfather would be the square and Drunk
Speaker 1: step Father would be the rectangle. Okay, got it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Milo was, as some have put it, kind of like
Speaker 1: the grandfather of the organization that we're referring to as
Speaker 1: the Lake City Quiet Pills. I was thinking of a
Speaker 1: Moore's kind of the Skiezy Dead Mother. Okay, you know,
Speaker 1: whatever works for you. It's a weird portant. Side I
Speaker 1: consider the Skiezy Mother posting a child porn site then yeah.
Speaker 1: Um so, he, along with other key members, were very
Speaker 1: active members of the Drunk Stepfather forum. Milo was the
Speaker 1: old guy that that Old Guy's image host was referring to.
Speaker 1: He owned the site as far as we can tell
Speaker 1: via the chats on the forum. He owned it at
Speaker 1: least for a while, and he was the runner of it,
Speaker 1: I guess, as far as we can tell. And we'll
Speaker 1: get a little more into this because there was a
Speaker 1: who is that was run and we'll talk I was
Speaker 1: going to ask about who is? Okay, and I haven't
Speaker 1: mentioned this yet. Lake City Quiet Pills no longer exists.
Speaker 1: It's gone defunct. It's a defunct website. It's gone defunct
Speaker 1: in the last year. It's actually probably a good thing
Speaker 1: because we're what fifteen twenty minutes in and you know
Speaker 1: that at least a dozen of our members, our listeners
Speaker 1: at work, would have accidentally tried to go to the website. Yeah, fired,
Speaker 1: So we've saved you. Yeah, we waited. I got it.
Speaker 1: Actually got got taken down a lot more recently than that,
Speaker 1: even it didn't get taken out. We'll talk about this
Speaker 1: in a little bit. Yeah. Yeah, let's talk about some
Speaker 1: of the key players in this case before we get
Speaker 1: too much further into this. Okay, tell us about Angel
Speaker 1: to six. Um, yeah, let's talk about Angel two six.
Speaker 1: That's the guy that was on far dot com. He
Speaker 1: was the guy that was on Farc dot com. And
Speaker 1: there's a bit of a bit of mystery around this
Speaker 1: person because Angel to six is almost definitely one person,
Speaker 1: but to six is probably just like a title, So
Speaker 1: you'll get a number of different users posting under the
Speaker 1: moniker of two six makes sense. The title was sort
Speaker 1: of passed around every couple of years, right or months
Speaker 1: or so. If I had a profile and my profile
Speaker 1: name was super Steve, it would be super seed to
Speaker 1: six if I got that title, but not always some
Speaker 1: or sometimes you would just be to six and they'd
Speaker 1: be like, oh, well, super Steve is running it right now.
Speaker 1: Super Seve is the two six right now. Wow, that's
Speaker 1: just a bit that we're confusing. Okay, I know. So
Speaker 1: there are three drunk step Father users that we can
Speaker 1: pretty much undoubtedly say were two six at some point. Um,
Speaker 1: they were Gerald Mink, JP four and Pierce Speculation is.
Speaker 1: Like I said, however, that Angel to six was it
Speaker 1: was their own person. We did an interview with one
Speaker 1: of the newer people who have been investigating this case
Speaker 1: on Reddit. This gentleman asked that we keep his identity
Speaker 1: a secret, So we're going to do that. Um, but
Speaker 1: here's what he had to say about two six. Angel
Speaker 1: two six was a to six. I mean, there's multiple
Speaker 1: two sixes. They seem to be the ones that are
Speaker 1: curators for the I guess the it's hard to tell, Lara,
Speaker 1: it's for the actual image searching, or if it's for
Speaker 1: being curator for all the jobs that are listed. I'm
Speaker 1: kind of leaning towards Shade holding that job. But there
Speaker 1: were quite a few two sixes, so they have been
Speaker 1: shared and they responsibly shared. Did have to and my
Speaker 1: cancer by the end of you know, at the end
Speaker 1: of his life, so could have been passed on. That
Speaker 1: was only this past year, so who knows. But there
Speaker 1: were at least a few people that had the two
Speaker 1: six roll, the first one being UM. I think it
Speaker 1: was Gerald Mank, which is actually an anagram of major current,
Speaker 1: but who knows that that's what that actually means. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's going to the military aspect of this, it could be.
Speaker 1: But after him, it was it was this guy angel
Speaker 1: to six, like the angel to six, the one that
Speaker 1: announced that, you know, Religion of Peace slash milo um
Speaker 1: that he passed on, and after that it went to
Speaker 1: user jp Pour and then went on to it was
Speaker 1: a Pierce who was I think part of the organization
Speaker 1: just from what I just from what he was talking
Speaker 1: about on the forums, you know, talking about, you know,
Speaker 1: staging out of South Africa. But he may have just
Speaker 1: been an old military guy. I've been met on one
Speaker 1: of the jobs and said, hey, check out his porn site,
Speaker 1: so it could be that um, and then he ended
Speaker 1: off the bishop. You know the thing, The interesting thing
Speaker 1: about this two six role is no one seems to
Speaker 1: hold it for more than a few months. It's always
Speaker 1: was constantly being passed on, which is there could be
Speaker 1: significance to that, maybe not, but it does seem interesting
Speaker 1: that one person can't seem to hold it. So the
Speaker 1: things we know about TO six are that TO six
Speaker 1: was definitely involved in the messages that were written in
Speaker 1: the Root source. To six new Milo personally. At least
Speaker 1: one of the two six is new Milo personally. I
Speaker 1: am under the impression that all of the two sixes
Speaker 1: new Milo personally and TO six served in an army,
Speaker 1: but it's unclear what army, or if it's just generally
Speaker 1: a term for the military or even more like an
Speaker 1: ira a army. But angel to six is chosen. Avatar
Speaker 1: was a line drawing of a bird of prey that
Speaker 1: was really really similar to the insignia of the slowest
Speaker 1: scouts of the Rhodesian Army, which is now Zimbabwe. That's
Speaker 1: sorry that Rhodesia is now Zimbabwe. That was that was
Speaker 1: a yeah, yeah, I got it. Sorry. So another person
Speaker 1: that's definitely involved with the root source messages is Shade.
Speaker 1: You'll see Hammer her probably him referenced to a lot,
Speaker 1: and it seems like they were the holder of the
Speaker 1: purse strings kind of as it were. And you'll see
Speaker 1: what I mean when we kind of talk about the
Speaker 1: message out the accountant of the group kind of yeah.
Speaker 1: And then the last person is you Religion of Peace
Speaker 1: a K A Milo a k A Dutch Milo. And
Speaker 1: we've kind of covered him a little bit and we'll
Speaker 1: talk a little bit about him more in a minute.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of things about his history that I
Speaker 1: don't think are true. I don't think he was fourteen
Speaker 1: and joined the military to kill the Nazis. That's just
Speaker 1: made up lore. I do, however, But the thing about
Speaker 1: it is that if he was born around nineteen thirty,
Speaker 1: would have joined about ninety four. By the time you
Speaker 1: got to basic training and all the other stuff, well,
Speaker 1: it's kind of too late to go fight the Nazis. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it would have been hard. But I do, however, think
Speaker 1: that he was actually military at one point, and you
Speaker 1: guys know why. But dear listeners, do you know why, well,
Speaker 1: meet using a poet one. You can just kind of
Speaker 1: tell when you listen to somebody speak or read what
Speaker 1: they have to say, you can kind of pick up
Speaker 1: on certain things, especially if they're talking about prior military
Speaker 1: service or experience. You can tell if they're telling the
Speaker 1: truth or not. And oddly, I think this guy was,
Speaker 1: you know, um is weird of a character as this
Speaker 1: dude is. I mean, his jargon was just too accurate,
Speaker 1: and not only accurate, but but period specific to like
Speaker 1: Vietnam era. He spoke in military jargon that was outdated
Speaker 1: to when I was in and I was in the
Speaker 1: like he said, it's probably military. Uh So we're gonna
Speaker 1: call xenophobe Zeno from now on because I don't want
Speaker 1: to say xenophobe fifty one every single time we talked
Speaker 1: about I totally trust Zeno's analysis of this. I reached
Speaker 1: out to a couple of our experts and had them
Speaker 1: read a lot of the postings and some of the
Speaker 1: stuff that Milo was talking about, and they also agree.
Speaker 1: They thought that Milo was definitely military at some point,
Speaker 1: and they were able to also date him to kind
Speaker 1: of the same time period they that Zeno indicated to
Speaker 1: us as well, so it's corroborated throughout one more thing
Speaker 1: before we get into the messages. You guys know what
Speaker 1: an iron key is, right of course, you know that
Speaker 1: you've run the research on it. So an iron key
Speaker 1: is pretty much the most secure flash drive out there.
Speaker 1: It's it comes standard with full encryption. They cost uh,
Speaker 1: usually more than six dollars usually, Yeah, and I think
Speaker 1: that the selling point of those is you have to
Speaker 1: have a password to get into it, and if you
Speaker 1: like is it, like, you get three tries and if
Speaker 1: and if you don't succeed on three tries, yeah, right,
Speaker 1: never to be accessed again. Yeah. I wonder how much
Speaker 1: the Hello Kitty one costs, probably even more, probably like
Speaker 1: thousands of dollars. That's what I'm guessing. We should get
Speaker 1: some dude who would ever think that it was a
Speaker 1: secure USB drive if it looks like Hello Kitty, real camouflaws. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a good point, Hey, listeners, if you want to
Speaker 1: donate money to get Hello Kitty iron keys, we will
Speaker 1: send you something. Yeah. Probably. Okay, now that I know
Speaker 1: that I know what an i key is, and I
Speaker 1: definitely have to have one, absolutely, and actually it's it's
Speaker 1: worth noting um. Some of our listeners may not be
Speaker 1: aware that you can have an entire operating system on
Speaker 1: a flash drive. These days, you can have It's basically
Speaker 1: you can have an entire computer on a flash drive
Speaker 1: and you just plug it into a computer and you
Speaker 1: have a totally different computer there. And that's hugely helpful
Speaker 1: if you're doing anything even remotely clandestine, because you just
Speaker 1: unplug it and there's no way to track it. It
Speaker 1: never existed. Clever. Okay, So we're going to talk about
Speaker 1: the messages now when we're not going to go through
Speaker 1: all the messages because that would be pure insanity. Yeah, way,
Speaker 1: way too much. But we're going to go through them chronologically,
Speaker 1: which is the opposite way that you see them posted.
Speaker 1: And before we get into this, I want to thank Dan, Lorie,
Speaker 1: Greg and Nick for helping out with these. There are
Speaker 1: some of our experts. They were so helpful. They tolerated
Speaker 1: me emailing them at all times the day being like
Speaker 1: wait and what about this? So it's super helpful for you.
Speaker 1: Know what happens when you sign up to be an
Speaker 1: next it is, Yeah, we annoy the crap out of you,
Speaker 1: We really do. And there's a really unique style that
Speaker 1: these are posted in, So we're going to read them
Speaker 1: sick eric script um, which is, you know, as they
Speaker 1: are written exactly Latin. An example is this, Joe, can
Speaker 1: you read this one for us? Alright? Filled x x
Speaker 1: x x x X. Spec need to ink speaker private
Speaker 1: sec at c h W X must recent s or
Speaker 1: SPS preferred. So I'm gonna translate that for y'all because
Speaker 1: it's a little confusing. A translation of this would be
Speaker 1: filled specifications need two English speakers for private security posting
Speaker 1: at see hardware experience required, Special Boat service or U S.
Speaker 1: Navy Seals background preferred. Here's another one so that we
Speaker 1: can get a little more into the sense of it. Joe,
Speaker 1: could you read this one too? Oh yeah, I'll leave
Speaker 1: the data here. Spec for slash team DASH three moths
Speaker 1: set gig fat c c W A plus no us
Speaker 1: W slash W spec forour or seven DP one week
Speaker 1: gig fluent English working for plus two week one quarter
Speaker 1: pay sequester on refusal bonus. Okay, so this one even
Speaker 1: more confusing somehow. So this one reads specifications need a
Speaker 1: four person team for a three month security job with
Speaker 1: a federal concealed carry weapons permit. Anyone with a us
Speaker 1: A want or warrant need not apply. These four people
Speaker 1: will work seven on diplomatic protection. If you refuse after
Speaker 1: learning all the details, you will be sequestered or sit
Speaker 1: out for two weeks while the job is being done
Speaker 1: by others, and you will lose one quarter of your
Speaker 1: standard salary during that time. Wait, so the thing that
Speaker 1: it calls out here, what is it? The federal concealed
Speaker 1: carry weapons permit? Okay, weapons permits are issued by states
Speaker 1: right now, Yeah, so what what is I've never heard
Speaker 1: of the federal I have none. I haven't either. I
Speaker 1: haven't either. I think the it's the best of my knowledge,
Speaker 1: no sense thing exists, at least in the you ask. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that. I mean, if you're if you're a
Speaker 1: law enforcement or ex law enforcement, say like you know
Speaker 1: anything from secret Service to FBI to just a city cop.
Speaker 1: I believe, even though there isn't an actual card that
Speaker 1: you carry around, I believe you more or less have
Speaker 1: a federal carrier. Well that's what your ID badge. Saying
Speaker 1: that you're active in that organization would be equivalent. Tough,
Speaker 1: But I've never heard of I'm going to go out
Speaker 1: and just get this thing. I don't think, as far
Speaker 1: as I know, there is no such thing. I mean,
Speaker 1: you have you have your FBI agents running around with guns,
Speaker 1: you know, but they don't you know, their FBI I
Speaker 1: D isn't enough for that. They don't need to get
Speaker 1: the extra permit. Well, maybe next time I meet one,
Speaker 1: I'll ask for it. Yeah, do that mold, Yeah, So
Speaker 1: have note. Um these posts did change. It's hard, you know,
Speaker 1: because we're looking at this historically and we can only
Speaker 1: look at what was archived. So one of the big
Speaker 1: questions I had when I first started researching this case
Speaker 1: was did these posts change or was it just like
Speaker 1: this standing archive? And Zeno told us that he and
Speaker 1: the other users that were investigating this did actually see
Speaker 1: the post changed. And so how long did that go
Speaker 1: on for? I mean between this time they started looking
Speaker 1: at it and they watched them change and then finally
Speaker 1: they replaced with the encryption. How long How long a
Speaker 1: period were they watching? Not long? I don't have an
Speaker 1: explicit date for you, but it wasn't was I would
Speaker 1: say maybe a month. Okay, so we're actually talking about
Speaker 1: her of weeks they somebody caught on. As far as
Speaker 1: I can tell yeah, but like I said, I don't
Speaker 1: have an explicit date for you unfortunately, so we've had
Speaker 1: these translated, and as to their authenticity. Zeno has some
Speaker 1: things to say about that somebody had discovered in the
Speaker 1: source code of the root directory of Lake City Quiet
Speaker 1: Pills dot Com hidden what appeared to be a hidden
Speaker 1: forum or a job posting board, and uh, you know,
Speaker 1: I I thought that was very strange. So I went
Speaker 1: to the root of that directory or the root of
Speaker 1: that website myself and and look at the source and
Speaker 1: sure enough, there it all was. And I read through
Speaker 1: it all. And you know, at that time, you know,
Speaker 1: none of the people's theories had really developed yet, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, this was right when it happened, so um,
Speaker 1: you know that nobody knew well I shouldn't say nobody,
Speaker 1: but very few people were kind of privy to the
Speaker 1: fact that a lot of what was what they were
Speaker 1: seeing in there looked like little nuggets of military jargon
Speaker 1: or some kind of military thing going on there. When
Speaker 1: I when I read through it, I kind of got
Speaker 1: the feeling that what I was looking at was a
Speaker 1: sort of under the table kind of mercenary sort of
Speaker 1: things that I was looking at you know, like, I'm
Speaker 1: guessing that most of these people were just working jobs
Speaker 1: where they were doing armed security for people in strange places,
Speaker 1: and they may have been doing some kind of It
Speaker 1: sounds so stupid to say this stuff, but it sounds
Speaker 1: like they were doing some kind of black water type contracting. Okay,
Speaker 1: so I'm going to have Joe or Steve, whichever one
Speaker 1: feels like reading these, read these so you don't have
Speaker 1: to keep listening to my pleasant time. Okay, I'll go
Speaker 1: for um. Shade is maintaining the calendar and access to
Speaker 1: the file dump. Angel has the job postings for EU
Speaker 1: and Asia. We're we aren't sending anyone to emmy. No
Speaker 1: one don't ask for listings, so we can probably figure
Speaker 1: out what this means, right. The translation is fairly simple that, um,
Speaker 1: well it's Europe in Asia. Yeah, there's job postings for
Speaker 1: Europe and Asia. They're not sending it anyone to the
Speaker 1: Middle East total least. Okay, thank you. I couldn't. I
Speaker 1: couldn't wrap my head around any for some reason. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so Angel has the listings, Shade is maintaining the access
Speaker 1: calendar and the file dumps. It's Shade is kind of
Speaker 1: doing the accounting, hr Bit angels doing the actual postings.
Speaker 1: Next post, seventeen July two thousand nine. I'm sorry to
Speaker 1: tell you that old Milo died yesterday. He went quiet
Speaker 1: and calm, not like we all figured. I gave the
Speaker 1: fat MAINI cat of his little girl next door, no
Speaker 1: services or nothing, you know, Milo, I'm taking his ashes
Speaker 1: back to where his farm was. Close to it any way,
Speaker 1: there's a mall where his place was, so hoist. If
Speaker 1: you for the old man, remember what he said, keep
Speaker 1: the faith with the man who's got your back. Um.
Speaker 1: This post actually coincides exactly, of course, with the post
Speaker 1: on Reddit um that to six made saying that the
Speaker 1: time that's the exact same day, similar information uh down
Speaker 1: to the mall. Information actually on the Reddit thread to
Speaker 1: six gives uh geographic coordinates for the final resting place
Speaker 1: of Milo and reaction to kind of a troll comment.
Speaker 1: There's a little thread there where somebody basically says like
Speaker 1: Milo was a jerk, and to six says, you know,
Speaker 1: screw you, not screw you, but screw you. He was
Speaker 1: my friend, and um, they get into a little argument
Speaker 1: and to six says this is the final resting place
Speaker 1: and and post actual um longitude and latitude coordinates. Why
Speaker 1: did you do that? That's a really really good question though. No,
Speaker 1: and actually that's one of the biggest questions in my mind,
Speaker 1: is why would you do that? And then Joe knows
Speaker 1: this really well, Steve you a little bit, know that
Speaker 1: Joe and I for the past couple of weeks actually
Speaker 1: have been doing really really extensive research into this parcel
Speaker 1: of land, kind of crazy levels of extensive research. We
Speaker 1: pulled well, yeah, I mean we pulled deeds, We looked
Speaker 1: at census information, We tracked down every single trace with
Speaker 1: the help of one of our other experts, Vanessa Um.
Speaker 1: And I'm I'm willing to say, I'm if not more
Speaker 1: sure that Milobe never had any connection to this parcel
Speaker 1: of lands. Yeah, I think that. I think we wasted
Speaker 1: our time with all that. I think we actually, I
Speaker 1: guess I wouldn't say it was a waste of time
Speaker 1: because we were able to really definitively say this post
Speaker 1: of these coordinates don't actually have anything to do with
Speaker 1: this case, which is almost weirder, like he just went
Speaker 1: on a Google Earth and randomly picked a spot coordinate. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but he happened to get a location that is really
Speaker 1: close to a place where a boy's orphanage existed in
Speaker 1: the nineteen thirties and forties in that area. You know,
Speaker 1: it's this weird, pretty well researched spot that leads to
Speaker 1: a million dead ends that we followed up all of
Speaker 1: really genuinely, we did so much research. We felt like
Speaker 1: crazy people a little bit. But by the way, the
Speaker 1: spot is like just south of Gettysburg. Yeah, it's just
Speaker 1: south of Getinsburg next to an LMO. But those were
Speaker 1: the coordinates that were posted, and we did do a
Speaker 1: lot of research and I am really, really really confident
Speaker 1: that that had nothing to do with Milo. Well, if
Speaker 1: you're trying to keep Milo's identity of secret, you know,
Speaker 1: why would you be posting the coordinates to a place
Speaker 1: that he used to live. Yeah, but also why would
Speaker 1: you be posting coordinates at all? Because the question prior
Speaker 1: to to six giving this information wasn't like, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: well tell me where you buried him. It was just
Speaker 1: like this guy was kind of a skis and to
Speaker 1: six was like, well here's his final resting. Like there's
Speaker 1: no reason for it was there was just a way
Speaker 1: to end the conversation, running out with the just maybe
Speaker 1: just a little red herring that sent us all off
Speaker 1: wasting our time trying to track down property records. Ye,
Speaker 1: kind of a little bit maybe. Yeah, that's that one
Speaker 1: out the window. Next post thirty September two nine. For
Speaker 1: those who have asked, I brick Milo's iron key the
Speaker 1: same day, all as well filled x x x x
Speaker 1: x spec need for inch speaker DP no us W
Speaker 1: slash W. So people have pointed out that they think
Speaker 1: this is strange because an organization that uses iron keys
Speaker 1: shouldn't also need a posting board like this to be maintained, right,
Speaker 1: And our experts differed on opinions. And we'll get to
Speaker 1: this in a little bit. Yeah, okay, I'll hold the Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: we'll talk about that in a little bit. So next
Speaker 1: posting this is this is also by six correct. All
Speaker 1: of these, as far as I can tell, are by
Speaker 1: two six. But there's no explicit definition of who's posting
Speaker 1: anything on these and these are all on that root
Speaker 1: source code. Again, I gotta say his leaves a lot
Speaker 1: to ball right now, okay, okay, me like reading text
Speaker 1: messages from family members. Four Nov. Two thousand nine, Milo's
Speaker 1: will cleared probate. Surprise, Milo was loaded email Shade. If
Speaker 1: we set you out in two thousand five dash two
Speaker 1: thousand nine, Shade will have checks cut for you. Amount
Speaker 1: is by how many times, not by pay. Total small
Speaker 1: share is three slash four k. Okay. So Milo's will
Speaker 1: cleared probate in four months, which suggests a couple of things.
Speaker 1: Surprise surprise with a Z and an I in the beginning,
Speaker 1: I like the way spells probate. Yeah, my god, I
Speaker 1: didn't even notice that. Yeah, because I spelled it the
Speaker 1: same way. That's probably why you didn't notice it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Pro That would be a great name for a big shop.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, you're right. It's almost like it's pro bass.
Speaker 1: Yeah anyway, So okay, So this being cleared in four
Speaker 1: months tells us a couple of things. And this comes
Speaker 1: from our expert Nick, who's a lawyer, but not uh
Speaker 1: he's not in a state lawyer and not in Pennsylvania.
Speaker 1: So um, these could be wrong. And if you know
Speaker 1: more about this, then we do. Please let us know. Pennsylvania,
Speaker 1: by the way, is where the coordinates were at. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: so it's one assumes that I I sadly as Joe
Speaker 1: said Gettysburg. I was rattling my brain going, oh, hell,
Speaker 1: I don't remember you as history. What state was ending.
Speaker 1: I'm a little embarrassed by that. Pennsylvania. Yeah, okay. So
Speaker 1: the executor of the will knew where the will was,
Speaker 1: was in the area and acted immediately upon Milo's death.
Speaker 1: The will covered the entire estate and there was no
Speaker 1: no one contesting the will or the estate. That sounds
Speaker 1: to me like Milo probably didn't have any olives anyway, right, uh.
Speaker 1: And it was a simple estate with no real estate
Speaker 1: or um and only personal property, so no bonds, no
Speaker 1: holdings in other companies, things like that. That makes sense.
Speaker 1: The estate was easy to liquidate, so if it was
Speaker 1: it was a house that was ready to sell. It
Speaker 1: was stuff that could be auctioned off really quickly. Things
Speaker 1: like that. Milo very likely, as Joe mentioned, had no
Speaker 1: family to contest the will because it cleared in four months.
Speaker 1: It would mean that the executor there was nobody who
Speaker 1: was going to say, like, no, the executor isn't going
Speaker 1: to do that thing. Dear God, if you want to
Speaker 1: see the worst come on people, especially when there's a
Speaker 1: whole bunch of money involved. Yeah, okay, And then the
Speaker 1: other thing is that in Pennsylvania, assuming that the will
Speaker 1: was in Pennsylvania. I don't have any reason to believe
Speaker 1: that other than the coordinates were there. But okay, so
Speaker 1: we're making an assumption on the state that this happened.
Speaker 1: I'm just making that assumption. Yeah, in Pennsylvania, creditor can
Speaker 1: wait up to a year to make a claim against
Speaker 1: the estate, So there had to be uh like really
Speaker 1: reason bulk confidence that that wouldn't happen in order for
Speaker 1: the executor to have liquidated all of Milo's holdings so quickly.
Speaker 1: This post also suggests that maybe they're taking care of
Speaker 1: some back payments to contractors and but it's not clear
Speaker 1: to me if they're using the money as bonuses based
Speaker 1: on send outs or if it's if they owed contractors
Speaker 1: back payments on salaries. But it does indicate that contractors
Speaker 1: are being held on salary or retainer. To me, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm not quite sure that I understand the back pay thing,
Speaker 1: because four years is a hell of a long time
Speaker 1: for back pay, right But I get peeved when i'm
Speaker 1: too when somebody's two months behind. So it's maybe that
Speaker 1: they were paying them, you know, three quarters of what
Speaker 1: they were owed or half of what they were owed
Speaker 1: or something like that, instead of we're not paying you
Speaker 1: anything because we can't afford to pay you anything. Right,
Speaker 1: I understand the theory, I can't understand it working for
Speaker 1: that long. Well. And in fairness, it's not as though
Speaker 1: you can go out to like Monster dot Com if
Speaker 1: you're a contractor or mercenary. Right, it's not like you're
Speaker 1: going to be like, bah screw of these guys. They're
Speaker 1: giving me only like four jobs a year. Can't make
Speaker 1: that work anymore on the salary they're paying me. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go to Monster dot com and find a new job.
Speaker 1: Actually that's not true because okay, let's let's take the
Speaker 1: mercenary part out. So let's ignore. I know, when you
Speaker 1: do the reading, there's all this their assassin's talk. Let's
Speaker 1: take that out. Okay, we're there's talking here about security,
Speaker 1: all right. Major corporations have operations all over the world
Speaker 1: that they need security people for. And I don't mean
Speaker 1: just a guy standing with a badge at the gate.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, in dangerous territrizing. Yeah, and those
Speaker 1: people are always in demand. So that's a that's an
Speaker 1: industry that's easy to job hop. I mean I've known
Speaker 1: guys who they would go. I think this guy went
Speaker 1: to South Africa for two or three months at a
Speaker 1: time and then would come home for a month, and
Speaker 1: then his employer missed him off, so he switched to
Speaker 1: another I think it was an oil company or something.
Speaker 1: He switched to another company. So we think so that
Speaker 1: that's total and that's good information to know. I think
Speaker 1: it's then it's more likely that they were paying out bonuses.
Speaker 1: That's kind of what I was thinking, was it was
Speaker 1: a bonus thing. Okay, Yeah, I just the best bothered me.
Speaker 1: That's why I didn't just from good information to have.
Speaker 1: I don't know anybody in the contracting sector. I don't
Speaker 1: know how. Oh yeah, I know, I do remember how anything. Okay,
Speaker 1: now that we've got that settled salaries contractor next post
Speaker 1: twelve j Happy New Year, a year, Hapy new year everyone.
Speaker 1: We're having a birthday party for the old man on
Speaker 1: the nineteen. Party starts at fifteen hundred at the usual
Speaker 1: Send your rs VP to shade f y I. We're
Speaker 1: booking a room for three days for anyone coming from
Speaker 1: out of area and overnight for locals. Come hoist one
Speaker 1: for Dutch Milo. So here's where some really interesting conspiracy
Speaker 1: stuff starts to come into play. It suggested that Milo's
Speaker 1: birthday was January eighteen thirty. I followed a trail to
Speaker 1: agree that he was probably born in January nine thirty.
Speaker 1: Come from well, because I saw that. I saw that trail.
Speaker 1: I don't know where the nineteenth comes from. But something
Speaker 1: else kind of interesting happened on January nineteenth th ten
Speaker 1: and included at least thirty three people, probably a few more,
Speaker 1: and they were all using fake passports. And more on
Speaker 1: that later. So next post. Yeah, okay, eighteen jan we
Speaker 1: got thirty eight rooms in the Marriott on forty six
Speaker 1: Shade has the key cars for locals Perne pick up
Speaker 1: at the party on Perenne dot uh, give your travel
Speaker 1: name to the desk and that's it. No idea needed
Speaker 1: since we're covering the bill. Keep the room service under
Speaker 1: five okay, the phones there are not secure. Thus from
Speaker 1: the hotel. Leafs at car service vouchers for return trip
Speaker 1: when you're ready to crash. Don't d u I fouchers
Speaker 1: with the WY. That's the British spelling about youer, I
Speaker 1: don't think so. With a W yeah, w travel name
Speaker 1: all obviously in case anybody was wondering, is pseudo name
Speaker 1: in case somebody didn't put that together. This post captivates
Speaker 1: people because there's just enough information for you to speculate wildly,
Speaker 1: but not enough information to confirm anything. The Marriott in
Speaker 1: question is most certainly not in Pennsylvania. There's a Marriott
Speaker 1: in downtown New York City on Street. The one of
Speaker 1: the most expensive rooms is four hundred and twenty four
Speaker 1: dollars and eight. Wait, why why did Pennsylvania come into
Speaker 1: that when you were saying where it was? Like? Why?
Speaker 1: I'm assuming there was speculation that this Marriott was in Pennsylvania,
Speaker 1: which we've we talked about for where Milo was supposedly buried, right,
Speaker 1: And that's it's because it's the continuation of that. The
Speaker 1: The assumption is that since Milo was from Pennsylvania, that
Speaker 1: the party would have been in Pennsylvania. And actually there's
Speaker 1: a Highway forty six that run through Pennsylvania, so people
Speaker 1: assumed that it was the Marriott Street Highway forty six.
Speaker 1: But I've looked at the rates there and it's not.
Speaker 1: Let's get into the next post and then we'll continue
Speaker 1: to discuss, ok, yeah, sorry, Yeah. And the thing about
Speaker 1: it is too, is that if you're gonna have a
Speaker 1: blowout party for a bunch of like a bunch of
Speaker 1: anonymous mercenary type guys, you know you want to have
Speaker 1: it in New York City where nobody pays attention to anything.
Speaker 1: And we'll talk about why New York City in a minute.
Speaker 1: Let's read the next one and then we'll talk more
Speaker 1: about this. Okay to party bills, here is the final
Speaker 1: for the party. Hotel rooms three forty one, limo six thousand, eight,
Speaker 1: bus bar bill eight ninety. I like that. Yeah, must
Speaker 1: have been a great party. Yeah. Food eight thousand and thirty,
Speaker 1: dancers three hundred, Miss Landious tips it fifty Miss Landious
Speaker 1: expenses forty medical supplies on uh fat, Tommy and stwo
Speaker 1: are okay too. So I don't know what happened there.
Speaker 1: Maybe we're gonna talk about that and got into it
Speaker 1: a little bit. Total thousand eighty dollars you all did, Dutch,
Speaker 1: Milo proud, Thanks see sezee you guys. Math. Let's math
Speaker 1: real quick, let's math. Yeah, let's math. Three hundred and
Speaker 1: forty one divided by thirty eight, which is the number
Speaker 1: of rooms they got divided by three, which is the
Speaker 1: number of nights they said they were going to get.
Speaker 1: Is four hundred and twenty four dollars and a little
Speaker 1: bit of change, which is what the most expensive room
Speaker 1: at the Marriott on forty six in New York City costs. Okay, granted,
Speaker 1: granted they don't have thirty eight of those rooms, and
Speaker 1: they were only going to get one night for locals. Okay,
Speaker 1: thank you. I was I was gonna say, wait, but
Speaker 1: not everybody staged it. But that and and and that's
Speaker 1: the current rate, right five years later, that's the rate
Speaker 1: for the Marriott loves to up their press. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: it's one. It is genuinely one of the most expensive rooms.
Speaker 1: So it's hard to find the math behind that. I'm
Speaker 1: sure there are some combination of the rooms if somebody
Speaker 1: wanted to sit and really go through that and find
Speaker 1: out what the number was, what the rooms cost at
Speaker 1: that time. I'm confident to say that if this party happened,
Speaker 1: it happened on st at that Marriott, or that's where
Speaker 1: they were staying at least. I I like New York City,
Speaker 1: you know, because of some of the reasons that Joe
Speaker 1: was kind of talking about earlier. It's a big city,
Speaker 1: it's centrally located, it's really easy to blend in, it's
Speaker 1: really easy to get to for international or or uh
Speaker 1: national people, and you know, it's it's a party city.
Speaker 1: A huge party like that wouldn't really be a huge deal.
Speaker 1: People wouldn't bat a eye at it, for instance. So yeah,
Speaker 1: so they had a party for Dutch mile Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll also add that, Um, I think this means that
Speaker 1: they're like at least seventy six members of this group.
Speaker 1: And yeah, well you I guess one presumes that, um,
Speaker 1: they're probably getting double occupancy rooms. That's my map. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's my assumption that you would get a double occupancy room.
Speaker 1: And if you're getting thirty eight rooms, that's about seventy
Speaker 1: six people. And additionally, they paid uh thousand and eighty
Speaker 1: dollars like it was nothing for a party and then
Speaker 1: gave at least three thousand dollars to seventy six members,
Speaker 1: probably more more than seventy six members. What organization just
Speaker 1: puts out what the party costs, right, right? I mean
Speaker 1: I worked for a corporation and they put on an event,
Speaker 1: and I never go to human resources and say so
Speaker 1: how much. Yeah, yeah, I'm not sure what that is either.
Speaker 1: I mean, I could see where he would if he's
Speaker 1: telling the guy who's who's cutting the checks, well, here's
Speaker 1: what here's what it was. I'll send you to receipts
Speaker 1: later and for the cost. But does he need to
Speaker 1: tell everybody that. I don't think so, but I don't
Speaker 1: know it does It does look like a message for
Speaker 1: everybody that yeah, you all did Dutch Milo proud. Thanks.
Speaker 1: Is not that would be addressed to multiple people. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it maybe he just wanted to like let people know, hey,
Speaker 1: people be grateful. We spend a ton of money and
Speaker 1: you Yeah, maybe that's what it was. So the math
Speaker 1: equals out to that Milo had at least a half
Speaker 1: million dollars probably more, probably more like at least a
Speaker 1: million dollars to his name in assets when he died.
Speaker 1: That's factory in the onnuses that people were told. Well,
Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying is that like if all seventy
Speaker 1: six minimum members were getting paid out minimum, the three
Speaker 1: thousand dollars plus the cost of the party, it's that
Speaker 1: equals out to be like like for four thousand dollars
Speaker 1: something like that, almost half a million dollars. And you know,
Speaker 1: you don't know what my, my, those final wishes were
Speaker 1: to You might have you might have had a couple
Speaker 1: of million more. You just wanted that to go to
Speaker 1: too six and Shade or something something like that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then also of note Tommy and Fat Stew got injured.
Speaker 1: A hundred and eighty dollars is a lot to spend
Speaker 1: on medical supplies, A lot to spend a medical supplies,
Speaker 1: because I'm imagining you like go to the local local
Speaker 1: Walgreens and like get some medical supplies, like unless you're
Speaker 1: buying like an A five machine, if you're just getting
Speaker 1: some band aids and gauze. Hundred eight dollars is so
Speaker 1: much money to spend on medical supplies. And yeah, if
Speaker 1: you go to if you go to the e Er,
Speaker 1: it's not very much. It's at all for the e
Speaker 1: it's not that much. But I've been to you know,
Speaker 1: the Walgreens or whoever whatever your big pharmacy at store is,
Speaker 1: and it's not uncommon to walk through and see the
Speaker 1: average price. And that's this is here Importland. So I
Speaker 1: understand prices very all over the country, but in Portland,
Speaker 1: average price of things to run from ten to forty
Speaker 1: or fifty dollars an item, depending on what you're getting.
Speaker 1: So it could be that there was a couple of
Speaker 1: expensive things. I mean, I have no idea. Maybe somebody
Speaker 1: had to be allergy and those things aren't cheap. I
Speaker 1: don't know, it wasn't a b allergy thing. Don't write
Speaker 1: us in and say, Steve, you can't get that over
Speaker 1: the counter. I know you can't. The point is there
Speaker 1: are things that are really stupidly expensive over the counter,
Speaker 1: and it might not have been a whole bunch of stuff.
Speaker 1: I guess for me, we're talking like first aid stuff.
Speaker 1: You're not gonna go and say, like we spent a
Speaker 1: hundred and eighty dollars on ad bill, right, It's like
Speaker 1: stuff we needed to make sure that bleeding stopped for
Speaker 1: a minute. Yeah, it might be that, just it's one
Speaker 1: of those things. It's like if you if there were
Speaker 1: hotel supplied supplies. Yeah, so it's like everybody rated the
Speaker 1: first aid box in their room. How could have been
Speaker 1: that or it could have just been that, you know,
Speaker 1: it's it's just like reading the mini bar in your room.
Speaker 1: I mean, you pay stupidly, stupidly huge amounts of money
Speaker 1: for you know, not that much. Well, so the thing
Speaker 1: I was going to bring up is that to me,
Speaker 1: this post reads that Fat Tommy and Stu went to
Speaker 1: the hospital or went someplace else that medical supply does
Speaker 1: not apply to them because of the next post. I
Speaker 1: will agree with that. Okay, Okay, so yeah, let's talk.
Speaker 1: Let's read the next post. Okay. Nineteen February news Mad
Speaker 1: insurance went up. Sorry me and Shade cut our take
Speaker 1: by five percent to help cover the tab. You pay
Speaker 1: two percent more. Filled x x x x X spec
Speaker 1: Immediate need for Korean fluent Korean slash dialect, slash accent
Speaker 1: details after contact, six week half paste equester on refusal
Speaker 1: six mode gig bonus. So do you feel like we
Speaker 1: need to translate that posting Maybe a little bit. So, yeah,
Speaker 1: so it would be filled, which because it was filled
Speaker 1: right um. Specification immediate need for people who are fluent
Speaker 1: in Korean. They need to be fluent in Korean with
Speaker 1: a specific dialect or accent and those details will be
Speaker 1: given after contract. If you refuse that contract after be
Speaker 1: given the details, you're going to be sequestered on half
Speaker 1: pay for six weeks. The gig is six months and
Speaker 1: you'll get a bonus. We talked about this, this whole
Speaker 1: sequester thing. Yet it sounds like yeah, if if it's
Speaker 1: a secret thing, they like scuirrel, you away somewhere or
Speaker 1: so you can't talk or call or anybody. I'm trying
Speaker 1: to figure out, is it that or is it a
Speaker 1: salary thing? You know, like you get X amount every month?
Speaker 1: The let's just say I get two grand a month
Speaker 1: for being something and I'm gonna lose PAF of my
Speaker 1: my salary for six weeks. If I that's actually that's
Speaker 1: a good question for me. I go one of two ways. Either, uh,
Speaker 1: these people are paid salary all the time, right, And
Speaker 1: if they say oh, yeah, I'll do that job and
Speaker 1: they found out the details and they say oh, actually
Speaker 1: I won't do that job, their salary gets cut and
Speaker 1: they get put on this sequester of the they're not
Speaker 1: eligible for any more jobs than likely they have to
Speaker 1: be watched to make sure that they're not going to
Speaker 1: talk about the jobs that they learned about for X
Speaker 1: number of months. Or you say you know you're not
Speaker 1: you don't have a salary. The salary comes in with
Speaker 1: the job. You say yeah, I'll take that job. You
Speaker 1: learn the details. You say, actually I won't take that job,
Speaker 1: and they say, okay, you're not eligible for a job
Speaker 1: for the next whatever, but you'll get paid half of
Speaker 1: the salary that we were offering you in the interim
Speaker 1: to make it worth your while. The salary we were
Speaker 1: offering you for the job or just your normal salary.
Speaker 1: We either wouldn't in that instance, there wouldn't be a
Speaker 1: normal salary. See, okay, now that I will agree with
Speaker 1: your first version. The second version doesn't work. No, I agree,
Speaker 1: but I go back and forth a little bit, because,
Speaker 1: like you were saying, there's so much need that it
Speaker 1: would be possible for you to just kind of take
Speaker 1: whatever job you wanted. I don't that. I just don't
Speaker 1: think these guys were these ads were for like salary
Speaker 1: jobs where the guys getting paid annual salary. I think
Speaker 1: it's just a contractor kind of gig where you know,
Speaker 1: you get six months or six weeks or whatever, you
Speaker 1: get paid this amount this amount of money for doing
Speaker 1: this job. And as far as your food refusal it goes.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not sure you know exactly. I guess
Speaker 1: that means that for whatever reason you refuse to do
Speaker 1: the job, then then they squirrel you away somewhere they
Speaker 1: sequest to you, and they still pay you some money,
Speaker 1: you know, And that's the second option, right, So you
Speaker 1: guys are torn between both options. Yeah, I mean, it's
Speaker 1: just it doesn't financially, it doesn't make sense to me
Speaker 1: to have a guy read the details of a job,
Speaker 1: squirrel him away, pay for him wherever you've squirreled him away,
Speaker 1: and then pay him for being in that place. Well,
Speaker 1: you want to pay him for that. I mean, if
Speaker 1: if it's a sensitive mission, right and he could totally
Speaker 1: screw it up in the first six weeks, You're not
Speaker 1: gonna say, Okay, thanks for your time. By after he
Speaker 1: knows the details, you're gonna say, okay, I hear you.
Speaker 1: You don't want to do this weird blackwater potentially killing
Speaker 1: children operation. Okay, you're going to go sit in that
Speaker 1: hotel room for six weeks, no contact with anybody from
Speaker 1: the outside world. But we will pay you just to
Speaker 1: swait in a little bit, a little bit of money
Speaker 1: to make it worth your while. And I think this
Speaker 1: is the kind of thing if you're setting up kind
Speaker 1: of a bad incentive system for people to just show
Speaker 1: up and say, yeah, tell me about it. I'm not interested,
Speaker 1: but I was like, dude, I'm never going to go
Speaker 1: on a mission. Yeah exactly, but I'm assuming that. I'm
Speaker 1: assuming that if you refuse more than a couple of times,
Speaker 1: they probably like that as well. Yeah, it's got you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, the easy option is all right, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: take three jobs a year. I'm gonna turn down three
Speaker 1: jobs a year or whatever it is, and so I'm
Speaker 1: still gonna be making okay money, but I can slide
Speaker 1: by like it just doesn't make any sense. I agree.
Speaker 1: I lean more towards the you get paid a salary, like,
Speaker 1: no matter what, especially the health insurance thing, that you
Speaker 1: get paid an annual salary. And then if you refuse
Speaker 1: a job, it's a question, you know, you only make
Speaker 1: half of what you would usually make for that amount
Speaker 1: of time. I don't. I don't really think so myself,
Speaker 1: because I mean, it sounds like they've got so many
Speaker 1: different guys that they've got these guys on a salary for,
Speaker 1: you know, when when they're not sending out that often.
Speaker 1: Really um so it just seems it seems to be
Speaker 1: careful of going down making that assumption that the posts
Speaker 1: that we see are the only jobs that they had. Well. Additionally,
Speaker 1: I think there's something to be said for saying, Okay,
Speaker 1: you're going to make fifty year or you know, a
Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars a year. If a single job pays
Speaker 1: your organization for hundred thousand dollars, half a million, a
Speaker 1: million dollars, the people who are collecting that money are
Speaker 1: still making a buttload of money on you and paying
Speaker 1: you whatever. So I think there's I have no idea
Speaker 1: what jobs like this pay on either end, you know,
Speaker 1: what people are willing to pay for these services or
Speaker 1: what people are paid for these services. And I think
Speaker 1: there is totally the opportunity there for saying we're gonna
Speaker 1: pay you a totally decent annual salary, you know, depending
Speaker 1: on how many jobs you do. You know, you're required
Speaker 1: to do this many jobs a year or something like that, right,
Speaker 1: your requires to five jobs a year or work x
Speaker 1: number of months or something like that. And we make
Speaker 1: so much money on this thing that it's okay that
Speaker 1: we're paying the salary even if you're not working. You know,
Speaker 1: I think there's probably a fair margin of air there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna stick with my side, but hey, yeah, and
Speaker 1: I think, so let's talk about the health insure. It's
Speaker 1: because yeah, next the next little bit on this. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're talking about this post. Sure, it seems like fat
Speaker 1: Tommy and Stu had to make a claim against their insurance,
Speaker 1: which would likely have caused insurance to go up. And
Speaker 1: it means that something bigger went down than just the
Speaker 1: hundred and eighty dollars and maybe the hundreds and eighty
Speaker 1: dollars in medical supplies was for everyone else, something kind
Speaker 1: of big, like maybe a big fight or something happened
Speaker 1: and two guys had to be hospitalized and the rest
Speaker 1: of them were like, all right, butterfly bandages and gauze.
Speaker 1: That's going to get us through. I think the medical
Speaker 1: insurance going up was not related to the events of
Speaker 1: the post, because I mean, in sharance, companies don't find
Speaker 1: stuff out that fast and they don't move that fast. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is but ten days twenty days later, yeah, not
Speaker 1: even yeah, like two weeks. And I was going to say,
Speaker 1: is that you would have to have an extremely small
Speaker 1: pool of members. That's what healthy companies call them. Your
Speaker 1: member pool would have to be super small for two
Speaker 1: people making claim to change your rate. I mean yeah,
Speaker 1: but still the and the other thing here is, uh,
Speaker 1: the nineteen that was seventeen days after we not now, okay,
Speaker 1: that was a month after. It's it's highly likely that
Speaker 1: the insurance company at that point had not even received
Speaker 1: any claims for the incident on the nineteen that happened.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think it was just unrelated. That's fair. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Anyway,
Speaker 1: so there's more job postings until March twelfth of two
Speaker 1: thousand ten. So that's there's the answer to the question
Speaker 1: of how long was it before the um the post
Speaker 1: started to become encrypted? Because on March the posts started
Speaker 1: becoming encrypted because the people who were running that old
Speaker 1: guy's image posting discovered that the general population of Reddit
Speaker 1: had realized that there was some stuff being posted in
Speaker 1: the source code and they were reading it and analyzing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so they decided to Like, so we're looking at eight
Speaker 1: or nine months, eight or nine months maybe, but again
Speaker 1: I don't have I don't have good dates for the
Speaker 1: actual first date that it was discovered. I'm only making
Speaker 1: that up based off of one of our posts that
Speaker 1: we have in the notes that we have here versus
Speaker 1: this date, and that's about eight or nine months yeah,
Speaker 1: close enough, close enough, less than a year. We start
Speaker 1: with encrypted hashes these UM, and the pads at the
Speaker 1: top of the text is like really really bizarre. We
Speaker 1: get things like don't Joe do you want to read these? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: Samuel Roger Basker flogger pinochet yeah, or and then upscale
Speaker 1: triangle topical tangent mars like what is going? They are
Speaker 1: their tongue twisters. They're really good alliteration, but they don't
Speaker 1: correspond with any phonetic alphabet out there, obviously, because you've
Speaker 1: got three t s in a row and they're using
Speaker 1: different words for um. You know, they're daily pads. They've
Speaker 1: got to be their daily at least. Yeah. Do you
Speaker 1: put your path out there for ever to see you though? Well,
Speaker 1: that's a good question, right, And UM, as far as
Speaker 1: I know, none of them, none of these have ever
Speaker 1: been decrypted, because after that it actually changed to a
Speaker 1: long string of numbers UM. And then after that it
Speaker 1: changed to a totally different kind of encryption. UM. In fact,
Speaker 1: here's what you had to say about this, And I
Speaker 1: think what they did was they switched over to PGP,
Speaker 1: which is a lot more accessible really than trying to
Speaker 1: sit there and decrypt something you know by hand. You
Speaker 1: can just use your pgp ky you know to do
Speaker 1: it in a text document. There's a thread on drunk
Speaker 1: Stepfather discussing the fate of that old guy's image hosting
Speaker 1: slash the Lake City Quiet Pills dot com and and
Speaker 1: many of the users on drunk Stepfather, like we said,
Speaker 1: we're associated with the Lake City Quiet Pills group, not
Speaker 1: all of them were. I'm pretty sure that the user
Speaker 1: Madame Miao was not Madame Yao. However, did eventually gain
Speaker 1: control of City Quiet fiels dot com and then, according
Speaker 1: to our anonymous Reddit user, I would say around actually
Speaker 1: so very recently, the server crashed and then they lost
Speaker 1: every bit of pictures on it. I don't think they're
Speaker 1: part about since, as far as I can tell um,
Speaker 1: the posts on the roots source stopped pretty quickly after
Speaker 1: they'd been discovered, even the encrypted ones. It's likely that
Speaker 1: the group decided or realized that they needed to be
Speaker 1: a little more sophisticated than whatever they were doing. Uh
Speaker 1: and their theories out there that the images themselves contained
Speaker 1: additional information, but I don't I'm not sure about that.
Speaker 1: I think it's an interesting theory, but I also think
Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe it seemed like it was safe
Speaker 1: to hide in plain site or I mean, I mean, okay,
Speaker 1: so like who's going to dig into the source code
Speaker 1: of like an image site, like a porn image site. Realistically,
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, that is that is hiding plane site.
Speaker 1: But putting the you know what is the process us
Speaker 1: when you put the information in an image? I can't
Speaker 1: remember what that's called, and I can't remember either, Okay.
Speaker 1: The point is that seems like if if they're using
Speaker 1: such a simple system of what we've seen to put
Speaker 1: this information out there, that suddenly seems like a massively
Speaker 1: more sophisticated way to go about it by putting it
Speaker 1: into the images. So yeah, so actually there they're too.
Speaker 1: Really two interesting theories about this, and the first one
Speaker 1: was suggested to me by our expert Lori, who is
Speaker 1: she's been a computer science professor for like twenty years
Speaker 1: or something like that, and she thought that maybe it
Speaker 1: was like a holding tank, like they were just dumping
Speaker 1: this information into the root source code that's kind of
Speaker 1: an archive almost. However, since she suggested that, we've learned
Speaker 1: that users did see these things updated, it was things
Speaker 1: would change to fill there would be new posting that
Speaker 1: it's not really good. It's almost a log file, is
Speaker 1: what she was getting at it. It was logging it
Speaker 1: and just dumping it in and it would just keep
Speaker 1: putting new stuff at the top, or that it well,
Speaker 1: that it was an archive, that like that it was
Speaker 1: dumped off of an iron key to archive at someplace
Speaker 1: else for instance. Yeah, but like I said, since we
Speaker 1: did see it updated, or since I didn't, but since
Speaker 1: it was seen updated, and there's there's some series right
Speaker 1: that it was just accidentally. Yeah, so let's actually cut
Speaker 1: to Zeno. He has a really really really interesting theory
Speaker 1: about this. I think what was happening was that this
Speaker 1: stuff was being put into the into the root of
Speaker 1: the websites comments, the htmail comments by accident. I don't
Speaker 1: think that that was actually where they were posting this stuff.
Speaker 1: I think I think that it was some kind of error.
Speaker 1: You know, I used to do a limited amount of
Speaker 1: web programming when I first got out of the military
Speaker 1: as one of my you know, in a previous career
Speaker 1: of mine, I did a little bit of PHP. And
Speaker 1: I think what was going on was that when they
Speaker 1: developed that website badly at first, because it was clearly,
Speaker 1: clearly you know, kind of shade tree construction going on there,
Speaker 1: that they had done something where it was supposed to comment,
Speaker 1: you know, it's supposed to to to write out those
Speaker 1: comments just as a testing teacher, and they forgot to
Speaker 1: remove it. One of the other users in that forum mentioned, oh,
Speaker 1: I fixed it. Then you know it shouldn't appear there anymore,
Speaker 1: you know, like that, you know, as if you know,
Speaker 1: the encryption wasn't working, and now it is kind of thing,
Speaker 1: but it's just weird enough that I think it makes
Speaker 1: people developed even stranger theories, like well, then he's also
Speaker 1: hosting this web this image hosting site, you know, this
Speaker 1: religion and peace guy, and I think that it's not
Speaker 1: just so that he can post his pornography and his
Speaker 1: jail bait pictures, but also so that he can post
Speaker 1: steganography um and put hidden messages inside jpeg and gift
Speaker 1: images and stuff. And I don't know that that's what
Speaker 1: was going on. I kind of doubt it. These guys
Speaker 1: don't seem like they were that tex savvy, to be honest.
Speaker 1: I mean, if if if they were posting their job
Speaker 1: board in the comments of their main page, then yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't think tegonography is in their vocabulary. Okay. So anyways,
Speaker 1: in spite of five years of work, I mean a
Speaker 1: lot of users have looked into this, and it has
Speaker 1: been at least five six years worth of work, there's
Speaker 1: been almost no movement on the case since, uh, since
Speaker 1: it was first discovered. I suspect it might be at
Speaker 1: a dead end. So theories, please, theories. First, Let's talk
Speaker 1: about this bank thing. It's just a little weird. I
Speaker 1: don't I didn't really know where to put it other
Speaker 1: than theories, but it's an interesting tidbit. The bank thing,
Speaker 1: so who is was run on Lake City Quiet Hills
Speaker 1: dot com back in uh two thousand nine, and it
Speaker 1: yielded some really interesting results. Let's just let Zeno tell
Speaker 1: it real quick. It gets a lot weirder. You know,
Speaker 1: when we looked at I think we looked at it
Speaker 1: who is of the uh Lake Cities Quiet Pills dot
Speaker 1: com domain, and it kind of led us back to
Speaker 1: a bank that had Israeli connections. And then but it
Speaker 1: was just like a small obscure bank branch. And uh.
Speaker 1: Then you know the whole assassination date being party and
Speaker 1: all that. It's so so plausible when you read through
Speaker 1: the timeline of the assassination and uh kind of you know,
Speaker 1: the number of people that were involved, Like that assassination
Speaker 1: was executed by thirty three people, thirty five if you
Speaker 1: count the two Palestinians that were arrested. All of them
Speaker 1: had fake passports. And we're from all over the world,
Speaker 1: some from Austria, some from Australia, some from you know,
Speaker 1: all of our Europe, and some from the United States. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I remember it leading to a bank in the Midwest
Speaker 1: that had ties to Israel, and beyond that, I can't remember.
Speaker 1: I just remember it was a small, small bank. It
Speaker 1: wasn't like big national size bank. There's a small local
Speaker 1: bank with TYSDA Israel. The so I know, you know,
Speaker 1: there's the who is and which just who is is
Speaker 1: kind of the the Internet equivalent of the phone book.
Speaker 1: This phone number belongs to this person. Yeah, it's the
Speaker 1: very simple version of whose website is this? Okay, But
Speaker 1: there are services out there that you can purchase that
Speaker 1: mask you. So, you know, my my IP address of
Speaker 1: my server is blah blah blah blah blah, but this
Speaker 1: masking service covers that and says that it's actually something
Speaker 1: different which is under this kind of umbrella organization. But
Speaker 1: will that will that re route who is? Yes, Okay,
Speaker 1: that's the point of these services. So let's say that
Speaker 1: I start a website and I think that it's funny
Speaker 1: to put up all these scheezy photos of these girls
Speaker 1: that I take on the street, and the website is
Speaker 1: called Thinking Side with Podcast, and you know, and I
Speaker 1: decide it's probably not good if people know that where
Speaker 1: you know that I own it because I have a
Speaker 1: job that's a respectable professional thing. But my perverse thing
Speaker 1: to do is take up shots. Okay, Well I don't
Speaker 1: want them to know that. So I'm gonna go ahead
Speaker 1: and take this service, which web hosts offer at an
Speaker 1: obscenely cheap rate, like pennies on the dollar cheap, and
Speaker 1: it will bounce that so that you're under something else.
Speaker 1: So nobody knows that I Steve own that image site.
Speaker 1: It goes under this other thing. So that's that's the
Speaker 1: one thing that I thought about after the conversation with Zeno,
Speaker 1: is I wonder it seems likely, right? I mean, it's not.
Speaker 1: There was no attempts to hide the fact that Milo
Speaker 1: owned that site. It was attributed to him. No, explicitly.
Speaker 1: Nobody ever said, like, I don't know, I could do
Speaker 1: that with my website. Yeah, no, totally. I could say
Speaker 1: Steve the Skis totally owns this website, but no one
Speaker 1: knows who Steve the Skis in. Yeah. Absolutely, and I
Speaker 1: totally agree with that. It's just it's yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean that's but that's really good information. It's just something
Speaker 1: to keep in mind. It's interesting on either end. Right,
Speaker 1: Either a bank with ties to Israel owned this, which
Speaker 1: w yeah, or uh, there was a mask that happens
Speaker 1: and who decided the masket by putting it at a
Speaker 1: bank in Israel? That's a really that's a that's a
Speaker 1: great joke, but kind of a sick joke. Also another weird.
Speaker 1: It's just weird, weird, weird, weird altogether. Okay, So, um,
Speaker 1: I guess, as theories go, typical of Devon, a couple
Speaker 1: just big headers and tons of bullets. So let's say
Speaker 1: me pills, you start calling them quiet pills. Yeah, let's
Speaker 1: let's say it's real. Yeah, yeah, sure, I think it's real. Um,
Speaker 1: I think it's real. I just think it was a
Speaker 1: private sector maybe some blackwater stuff. And as Zeno said,
Speaker 1: it's it's probably not explicit like assassin work. Now, I
Speaker 1: doubt that. But as far as the assassins go, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a pretty huge stable of assassins to have, it is. Yeah,
Speaker 1: really kind of a lot. But he like to have
Speaker 1: that many assassins available to me. I guess. Um. While
Speaker 1: we're talking about assassins, though, remember how a couple, Oh,
Speaker 1: I guess it was more than a couple. A while ago,
Speaker 1: I was talking about how something else really interesting happened
Speaker 1: on January nineteen, all the people to fake passports. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so you may or may not know that. On January ten,
Speaker 1: the same day as the quote unquote party was happening,
Speaker 1: thirty five people using fake passports murdered the co founder
Speaker 1: of the military wing of Hamas. His name was Mahmud
Speaker 1: al Mabou. This whole unsolved. It's a whole unsolved mystery
Speaker 1: in and of itself. It's a huge rabbit hole unsolved mystery,
Speaker 1: the assassination of this gentleman. Yeah, this is what I
Speaker 1: want to cover one of these videos. Yeah, this is
Speaker 1: a great mystery for Joe. But there is a theory
Speaker 1: out there that the Lake City quiet Pills were part
Speaker 1: of the organization that killed him. So maybe the party
Speaker 1: wasn't actually in New York at all. Yeah, and it does,
Speaker 1: I mean, it does seem unlikely, but the post does
Speaker 1: really suspiciously correspond with the fact that I don't know you.
Speaker 1: You know, it would also explain the money. It would
Speaker 1: explain the money makes way more sense and the locals,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, okay, let's let's go back to
Speaker 1: that threat that post were we've got rooms for out
Speaker 1: of towners, which is people who aren't in that area,
Speaker 1: who are traveling international for this job. And the locals
Speaker 1: get a one day like that. That suddenly makes the
Speaker 1: money work out so much better. Yeah, there's a lot,
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff. And it also makes sense why
Speaker 1: you would post the money because this was a huge operation.
Speaker 1: Could have been their first time doing something on that scale. So, hey, guys,
Speaker 1: we're on the up and up. I know there was
Speaker 1: talk from Billy over the corner that we were doing
Speaker 1: something funny before we give him a quiet pill. We
Speaker 1: just wanted to prove that we were straight up with
Speaker 1: the money. Yeah. Yeah. The interesting thing though, is that
Speaker 1: you know, the people who are most motivated to murder
Speaker 1: the leader of the MOSS would be the Israelis. Yeah,
Speaker 1: which is actually is really interesting because the bank. Well yeah,
Speaker 1: it's interesting because of the bank, but also it's interesting
Speaker 1: because a lot of people were using Palestinian passports. These
Speaker 1: people were some of them, I mean, they were all fake.
Speaker 1: All of the passports were fake. They were stolen from people. Again,
Speaker 1: I don't want to go too deep into this, but
Speaker 1: they were stolen from people who were mostly dual citizens
Speaker 1: European and Israeli. Yeah. Um, and it was it was
Speaker 1: like thirty three people. It was like this huge operation.
Speaker 1: I'm sure we'll cover this at some point because it
Speaker 1: is this like huge mystery. But again, Zeno had some
Speaker 1: interesting things to say about this. You know, the dates
Speaker 1: are the same. They're talking about having thirty something hotel rooms. Um,
Speaker 1: they're talking about the party starting at a certain time,
Speaker 1: and this started at a certain time on their timeline. Uh,
Speaker 1: like uh, it all started really um for the team
Speaker 1: in Dubai around two pm. You know that that kind
Speaker 1: of roughly maps to the planet they were given the
Speaker 1: day before. And some people said, well, you know, who
Speaker 1: would give them all their orders like literally the day
Speaker 1: before or on the day of. That doesn't make any sense. Well,
Speaker 1: it just could have been loose reminders like hey, these
Speaker 1: are just your quick final instructions that they knew the
Speaker 1: deal before they went you know this, This was just
Speaker 1: like okay, guys, final final notes before we go again.
Speaker 1: I do think that this was a real thing. I
Speaker 1: don't think necessarily that they were involved with the assassination
Speaker 1: in Dubai, but it's definitely plausible given the overlapping information.
Speaker 1: I do think though, that they were involved in hiring
Speaker 1: mercenary types or armed security types for different things throughout
Speaker 1: the world. Whether they were for the good guys or
Speaker 1: the bad guys or the indifferent guys. Who knows. So
Speaker 1: the next theory is that it's a hoax. It probably
Speaker 1: I don't think it is. I don't you know what.
Speaker 1: The thing that I asked you to squirrel away earlier
Speaker 1: is that there's proof, like definitive. You can see it
Speaker 1: find it still to this day, proof that somebody with
Speaker 1: the domain with an email at Lakesy Quiet Pills dot
Speaker 1: com was posting on FARC as early as two thousand
Speaker 1: and one. That's a fourteen far long hoax. We're talking
Speaker 1: at this point. That's a really long hoax, but a
Speaker 1: long con It's a long, long comment. The thing about
Speaker 1: think about it is too, is if you're doing a
Speaker 1: long com, you're gonna like set up a website dedicated
Speaker 1: to this. It's not just that you're not just gonna
Speaker 1: leave it on Reddit, right, And you're also not going
Speaker 1: to let the website go defunct like they did with
Speaker 1: Lake City quite PILs dot com. Well, I mean that
Speaker 1: that actually could be a part of the strategy, is
Speaker 1: like you let the way let the website go away. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like, well we went away and we want somewhere
Speaker 1: else because of security considerations. But then you're still going
Speaker 1: to set up a couple of websites elsewhere We're going
Speaker 1: to discuss this huge unsolved mystery and try to get
Speaker 1: it publicized. You're gonna try to create a Wikipedia page
Speaker 1: for it. Most this thing doesn't have So if it
Speaker 1: was a long con, it's not very good. Yeah, not really,
Speaker 1: but I haven't done it right. My other thing is
Speaker 1: is that like the the the age of that at
Speaker 1: Lake City Pills dot com address. I manage a lot
Speaker 1: of websites for people, you know, It's just part of
Speaker 1: what I do. And I have folks that use emails
Speaker 1: through their website and they've had that website for getting
Speaker 1: close to a decade. Now all of their email goes
Speaker 1: through it. Do you know what what we've done to
Speaker 1: update their website in the last eight years. Not a
Speaker 1: damn thing. I mean, really, the website could go away
Speaker 1: for all I care and be just a blank page.
Speaker 1: They're just using it as a way to get their
Speaker 1: email because they like having their own email. This goes
Speaker 1: the opposite way. But I'm saying the age of it
Speaker 1: is that it may have started as just let's just
Speaker 1: start this thing, and we did this, and it wasn't
Speaker 1: you know, the website sucked because you know what, angel
Speaker 1: to six, you're terrible at building website. But hey, at
Speaker 1: least we got an email account, and now we all
Speaker 1: have our email accounts. I don't want to get rid
Speaker 1: of my email account because that's such a pain in
Speaker 1: the butt to tell everybody where I'm at. I can't
Speaker 1: forward it because you'll kill it. So it I do
Speaker 1: this all the time, and I know I tries people nuts,
Speaker 1: but I just look at it from the kind of
Speaker 1: the ocums raiser, the simplest lazy perspective. They did this thing.
Speaker 1: It's there, it's kind of cheap just keep using it
Speaker 1: and then at some point somebody hacked it or somebody
Speaker 1: took it over and turned it into this other thing,
Speaker 1: into a hoax. Well, yeah, turn it into this this
Speaker 1: you know, got in there and built something else on
Speaker 1: top of it. Yes, I mean, I think it's just
Speaker 1: weird that they're I mean, you know, like on any
Speaker 1: form you see right that you've got those users who
Speaker 1: have their like little little animated picture and they're like, yeah,
Speaker 1: but the fact that the sign off was dispensing Lake
Speaker 1: City Quiet pills to unlucky blah blah blah blah blah
Speaker 1: blah blah blah, since whatever. Yeah, the fact that it
Speaker 1: was so connected to the stuff that was happening in
Speaker 1: the root source, it just it seems like too big.
Speaker 1: Like if we're gonna go Acom's razor, the simplest explanation
Speaker 1: is that it's all real. It's not that somebody later
Speaker 1: took this and did a hoax on top of it
Speaker 1: to like create this one thing. I'm gonna let it go.
Speaker 1: We could argue that back and forth, we can, and
Speaker 1: it's gonna get us nowhere. That's so I'm gonna I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna let it go. I don't think that that's
Speaker 1: the case. But moving forward, what is I don't know
Speaker 1: if there anymore in this the whole hoax arena, No, no,
Speaker 1: I just I was the only thing I was gonna
Speaker 1: say is that how many people have actually gone into
Speaker 1: the HTML and seeing this stuff and themselves on Lake
Speaker 1: City Quite Pills. Yeah, I don't know. I don't like
Speaker 1: there's any more than dozens. I would say a lot.
Speaker 1: I'm being conservative. So it did exist then, absolutely, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that way, I guess, kind of arguing, guess, I guess
Speaker 1: it being a hoax, so there's still a strange communication
Speaker 1: system they had going there. It is again, it's you know,
Speaker 1: totally possible, as you know, positive that it was just
Speaker 1: a accident. Yeah, possible. Yeah. So the one last theory
Speaker 1: that we have is that it's an ergy. No freaking
Speaker 1: way Field, I didn't know we were still connected to
Speaker 1: that guy. Let's talk about this for a second. Okay,
Speaker 1: So my argument against it being an r G is
Speaker 1: that like Lake City Quiet Pills dot Com isn't exactly
Speaker 1: the kind of website that you would want to use
Speaker 1: for your marketing. Stunt slash companies, slash all inclusive game, right,
Speaker 1: It's basically a porn site. Basically a porn site. You
Speaker 1: don't really want to be running your alternate game reality
Speaker 1: in the source code of that. But okay, maybe fine.
Speaker 1: On the other hand, maybe it's an a r G
Speaker 1: and all the Reddit users have been quote unquote investigating
Speaker 1: it the most are in fact part of the whole
Speaker 1: damn thing, and they've been perpetuating the myth the entire time.
Speaker 1: Guess what, we can't actually rule that out, but exactly
Speaker 1: what is it? What kind of thing is it promoting?
Speaker 1: It's not it's not that it would be a promotion.
Speaker 1: It's that it would be an actual game that people
Speaker 1: are participating in, like a role playing game, that people
Speaker 1: are actually participating in pretending to be these different agents
Speaker 1: quote unquote going out in the real world. They're not
Speaker 1: actually that are pretending to be these people, and that, right,
Speaker 1: it is just continuing to perpetuate that, right, Okay, in fairness,
Speaker 1: here's let's just hear what Zino has to say in full,
Speaker 1: no freaking way. Other people think that it's it's a hoax.
Speaker 1: You know that somebody just put this together is to
Speaker 1: control some people. If so, then the amount of dedication
Speaker 1: that that would take is just just incredible, unprecedented. You know,
Speaker 1: it's ridiculous. I think it's real. What do you guys think, Um, well,
Speaker 1: um yeah, it's it's hard to believe, but that it
Speaker 1: really is the best alternative. But I think, like Zeno
Speaker 1: is that it was just an error that caused some
Speaker 1: of the stuff to be written into the HTML code,
Speaker 1: either as like comments or logs or something like that.
Speaker 1: And and but it's the comments are kind of disjointed,
Speaker 1: like especially the stuff concerning the party, and you kind
Speaker 1: of feel like not everything made it out there. And
Speaker 1: I don't know why that is. You'd think that we
Speaker 1: would have a more complete record of these communications. Um,
Speaker 1: So I don't really get that why, But yeah, I'm torn.
Speaker 1: They're I'm going to use air quotes around the word
Speaker 1: evidence because it's just data on the Internet. But the
Speaker 1: evidence that we have does lend itself to show that
Speaker 1: this probably was a thing. But at the same time,
Speaker 1: I'm not convinced. I mean, it just again to me,
Speaker 1: it's just something that could be a simple hoax of
Speaker 1: some goofball doing something and thinking he was being funny
Speaker 1: and then realizing that people were reading what he was
Speaker 1: putting up and deciding to troll them a little more
Speaker 1: and troll them for a while and then say, let
Speaker 1: me pull the ultimate troll and just start putting up
Speaker 1: gibberish and then do nothing like that's that's completely plausible.
Speaker 1: I'm very I'm very torn. Well, here's a here's a
Speaker 1: the reason I don't. I don't think that's the case.
Speaker 1: It's possible, but this isn't really actually a very sexy case.
Speaker 1: People going to try to stot to like, you know, really,
Speaker 1: you know, get something going do or do really do
Speaker 1: a long com You don't you think it's going to
Speaker 1: involve kidnapping, murder stuff like that. I mean, this stuff
Speaker 1: is just guys going out and being security guards basically
Speaker 1: bodyguards and stuff like that. I guess the other reason
Speaker 1: that I think it's real is because they vaguely reference
Speaker 1: going out into the field in the forums in Drunk
Speaker 1: step Father, you know, is there are these discussions that
Speaker 1: are they don't say anything explicit obviously, but users on
Speaker 1: drunk Stepfather, who are all members of or not all
Speaker 1: of the people who are posting these things on drunk
Speaker 1: Stepfather are also people who we can associate pretty closely
Speaker 1: with Lake City Quiet Pills they're talking about fuel experience,
Speaker 1: they're talking about army experience. It's it's corroborated in different formats,
Speaker 1: in different forums where they're talking about these things. So
Speaker 1: for me, that speaks to more than just one dude
Speaker 1: saying like that, let's do this funny hoax. But I
Speaker 1: I still I can see one dude finding all kinds
Speaker 1: of joy and making multiple accounts and juggling that crap.
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, there there was a time where
Speaker 1: I thought, hey, it would be funny to pull this gag,
Speaker 1: and I started to figure out how to pull a
Speaker 1: gag on the internet and realize very quickly, A, I
Speaker 1: wasn't going to be able to pull it off, but
Speaker 1: be there's a lot of work and a whole lot
Speaker 1: of or like you've gotta be really organized. So but
Speaker 1: there are people like that, Absolutely there are. But I
Speaker 1: guess not to like be a jerk. But your original
Speaker 1: argument was like, well, it's all comes rasor that it's
Speaker 1: like simpler that it's one dude like but at this
Speaker 1: point anymore. But but that's the thing is that that
Speaker 1: this is why I'm torn because I can see I
Speaker 1: can see it being that simple. I can see a
Speaker 1: bit that that complex and sadly I can see go
Speaker 1: with nine degrees he have a direction where it is. Again,
Speaker 1: some jerkuad hacks their server. I mean we've had conversations
Speaker 1: about servers that have been happy I've had to deal
Speaker 1: with and it's like whoa what and nobody knew you?
Speaker 1: And that's I think that's the thing about this case
Speaker 1: that had me, you guys know, down rabbit hole for
Speaker 1: a couple of months. Now it'll be great to have
Speaker 1: I've been obsessed lost did Yeah, it's insane. I didn't
Speaker 1: really have thirty pounds to lose, but here I am
Speaker 1: just a bone and some skin. Can we finish up
Speaker 1: skeletor no? Because there's enough, there's enough information out there
Speaker 1: that it's intriguing, but not enough that we will ever
Speaker 1: get closure. Probably no, especially the site's gone. Yeah, this
Speaker 1: this whole case it's gone. It's done anyway, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think it is. But you yeah, yeah, So if you
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Speaker 1: we're going to the Rocky Mountains. Why did we make
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