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Speaker 1: and thanks Thinking Sideways. I don't understand. I'm not stories

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Speaker 1: of things we simply don't know the answer too. Hey, guys,

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Speaker 1: welcome to another episode of Thinking Sideways the podcast. I'm Devin.

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Speaker 1: I'm joined as always by Joe and Steve. I'll let

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Speaker 1: them introduce themselves. Guys over there, we're gonna talk about

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Speaker 1: a mystery that you probably haven't heard of tonight. It's

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Speaker 1: called the Lake City Quiet Pills and strap in because

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Speaker 1: won't be a long one. We're going to talk really,

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Speaker 1: really really slowly. Yeah. I'm going to talk normal, yeah, okay,

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Speaker 1: and with the upwards inflection if you would please slowly yes.

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Speaker 1: My interest in this case actually came from a message

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Speaker 1: I got on Reddit from user by the name of

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Speaker 1: Captain Cannibal. And to be upfront because I know some

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Speaker 1: people take issue with this when we do episodes like this.

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Speaker 1: This mystery pretty much everything that you actually literally everything

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Speaker 1: the actual sources that we're going to talk about. It's

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Speaker 1: an Internet based it's an Internet based mystery, but beyond that,

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Speaker 1: it's a very obscure inter based, Internet based mystery, so

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Speaker 1: that you can't go out. There's not a Wikipedia page

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Speaker 1: about this, for instance, right, there's not articles about this.

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Speaker 1: There's not a huge amount of information about this mystery.

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Speaker 1: So the sources are fairly condensed. But we have gone

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Speaker 1: to the actual source. We've done interviews, we did our

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Speaker 1: because I've been talking about it for weeks and weeks

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Speaker 1: But there's a reason for it. And as far as

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Speaker 1: I can tell, this story starts with a Reddit user.

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Speaker 1: Weird because it's a Reddit thing. Well, okay, it starts

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Speaker 1: Their account has been deleted, and it started innocently enough.

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Speaker 1: In two thousand nine, a user it was their first post.

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Speaker 1: They made an account to make this post, and their

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00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:30,080
Speaker 1: SPS preferred. So I'm gonna translate that for y'all because

427
00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:32,760
Speaker 1: it's a little confusing. A translation of this would be

428
00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:37,520
Speaker 1: filled specifications need two English speakers for private security posting

429
00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:41,480
Speaker 1: at see hardware experience required, Special Boat service or U S.

430
00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:44,920
Speaker 1: Navy Seals background preferred. Here's another one so that we

431
00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:47,720
Speaker 1: can get a little more into the sense of it. Joe,

432
00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:49,840
Speaker 1: could you read this one too? Oh yeah, I'll leave

433
00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:53,560
Speaker 1: the data here. Spec for slash team DASH three moths

434
00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:57,680
Speaker 1: set gig fat c c W A plus no us

435
00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:03,040
Speaker 1: W slash W spec forour or seven DP one week

436
00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:07,160
Speaker 1: gig fluent English working for plus two week one quarter

437
00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:11,920
Speaker 1: pay sequester on refusal bonus. Okay, so this one even

438
00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:16,200
Speaker 1: more confusing somehow. So this one reads specifications need a

439
00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:18,879
Speaker 1: four person team for a three month security job with

440
00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:22,440
Speaker 1: a federal concealed carry weapons permit. Anyone with a us

441
00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:25,359
Speaker 1: A want or warrant need not apply. These four people

442
00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:29,120
Speaker 1: will work seven on diplomatic protection. If you refuse after

443
00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:31,920
Speaker 1: learning all the details, you will be sequestered or sit

444
00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:34,560
Speaker 1: out for two weeks while the job is being done

445
00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:36,840
Speaker 1: by others, and you will lose one quarter of your

446
00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:40,760
Speaker 1: standard salary during that time. Wait, so the thing that

447
00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:43,760
Speaker 1: it calls out here, what is it? The federal concealed

448
00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:48,480
Speaker 1: carry weapons permit? Okay, weapons permits are issued by states

449
00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:51,360
Speaker 1: right now, Yeah, so what what is I've never heard

450
00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:54,240
Speaker 1: of the federal I have none. I haven't either. I

451
00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:56,959
Speaker 1: haven't either. I think the it's the best of my knowledge,

452
00:24:57,160 --> 00:25:00,800
Speaker 1: no sense thing exists, at least in the you ask. Yeah,

453
00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:03,040
Speaker 1: I think that. I mean, if you're if you're a

454
00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:05,480
Speaker 1: law enforcement or ex law enforcement, say like you know

455
00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:08,880
Speaker 1: anything from secret Service to FBI to just a city cop.

456
00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:12,639
Speaker 1: I believe, even though there isn't an actual card that

457
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:14,480
Speaker 1: you carry around, I believe you more or less have

458
00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:17,480
Speaker 1: a federal carrier. Well that's what your ID badge. Saying

459
00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:21,680
Speaker 1: that you're active in that organization would be equivalent. Tough,

460
00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:23,520
Speaker 1: But I've never heard of I'm going to go out

461
00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:25,879
Speaker 1: and just get this thing. I don't think, as far

462
00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:27,399
Speaker 1: as I know, there is no such thing. I mean,

463
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:30,000
Speaker 1: you have you have your FBI agents running around with guns,

464
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:31,920
Speaker 1: you know, but they don't you know, their FBI I

465
00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:33,840
Speaker 1: D isn't enough for that. They don't need to get

466
00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:36,959
Speaker 1: the extra permit. Well, maybe next time I meet one,

467
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:40,800
Speaker 1: I'll ask for it. Yeah, do that mold, Yeah, So

468
00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:43,960
Speaker 1: have note. Um these posts did change. It's hard, you know,

469
00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:46,800
Speaker 1: because we're looking at this historically and we can only

470
00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:49,040
Speaker 1: look at what was archived. So one of the big

471
00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:51,880
Speaker 1: questions I had when I first started researching this case

472
00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:54,680
Speaker 1: was did these posts change or was it just like

473
00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:58,680
Speaker 1: this standing archive? And Zeno told us that he and

474
00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:01,760
Speaker 1: the other users that were investigating this did actually see

475
00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:05,119
Speaker 1: the post changed. And so how long did that go

476
00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:07,880
Speaker 1: on for? I mean between this time they started looking

477
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:11,159
Speaker 1: at it and they watched them change and then finally

478
00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:14,480
Speaker 1: they replaced with the encryption. How long How long a

479
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:16,479
Speaker 1: period were they watching? Not long? I don't have an

480
00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:20,000
Speaker 1: explicit date for you, but it wasn't was I would

481
00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:22,720
Speaker 1: say maybe a month. Okay, so we're actually talking about

482
00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:25,159
Speaker 1: her of weeks they somebody caught on. As far as

483
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:27,000
Speaker 1: I can tell yeah, but like I said, I don't

484
00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:29,800
Speaker 1: have an explicit date for you unfortunately, so we've had

485
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:35,159
Speaker 1: these translated, and as to their authenticity. Zeno has some

486
00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:39,320
Speaker 1: things to say about that somebody had discovered in the

487
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:42,680
Speaker 1: source code of the root directory of Lake City Quiet

488
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:46,000
Speaker 1: Pills dot Com hidden what appeared to be a hidden

489
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:51,040
Speaker 1: forum or a job posting board, and uh, you know,

490
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:53,840
Speaker 1: I I thought that was very strange. So I went

491
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:56,399
Speaker 1: to the root of that directory or the root of

492
00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:58,680
Speaker 1: that website myself and and look at the source and

493
00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:00,560
Speaker 1: sure enough, there it all was. And I read through

494
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:02,879
Speaker 1: it all. And you know, at that time, you know,

495
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:05,960
Speaker 1: none of the people's theories had really developed yet, you know,

496
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:09,120
Speaker 1: I mean, this was right when it happened, so um,

497
00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:13,680
Speaker 1: you know that nobody knew well I shouldn't say nobody,

498
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:15,800
Speaker 1: but very few people were kind of privy to the

499
00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:17,600
Speaker 1: fact that a lot of what was what they were

500
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:20,520
Speaker 1: seeing in there looked like little nuggets of military jargon

501
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:22,639
Speaker 1: or some kind of military thing going on there. When

502
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:25,080
Speaker 1: I when I read through it, I kind of got

503
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:27,879
Speaker 1: the feeling that what I was looking at was a

504
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:31,000
Speaker 1: sort of under the table kind of mercenary sort of

505
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 1: things that I was looking at you know, like, I'm

506
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:36,080
Speaker 1: guessing that most of these people were just working jobs

507
00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:39,360
Speaker 1: where they were doing armed security for people in strange places,

508
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:42,399
Speaker 1: and they may have been doing some kind of It

509
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:45,080
Speaker 1: sounds so stupid to say this stuff, but it sounds

510
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:48,359
Speaker 1: like they were doing some kind of black water type contracting. Okay,

511
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:51,919
Speaker 1: so I'm going to have Joe or Steve, whichever one

512
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:53,879
Speaker 1: feels like reading these, read these so you don't have

513
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:59,600
Speaker 1: to keep listening to my pleasant time. Okay, I'll go

514
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:03,200
Speaker 1: for um. Shade is maintaining the calendar and access to

515
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:06,800
Speaker 1: the file dump. Angel has the job postings for EU

516
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:10,440
Speaker 1: and Asia. We're we aren't sending anyone to emmy. No

517
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:14,480
Speaker 1: one don't ask for listings, so we can probably figure

518
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:18,040
Speaker 1: out what this means, right. The translation is fairly simple that, um,

519
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:22,000
Speaker 1: well it's Europe in Asia. Yeah, there's job postings for

520
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:23,720
Speaker 1: Europe and Asia. They're not sending it anyone to the

521
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:26,040
Speaker 1: Middle East total least. Okay, thank you. I couldn't. I

522
00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:28,480
Speaker 1: couldn't wrap my head around any for some reason. Yeah,

523
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:32,880
Speaker 1: so Angel has the listings, Shade is maintaining the access

524
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:36,600
Speaker 1: calendar and the file dumps. It's Shade is kind of

525
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:41,760
Speaker 1: doing the accounting, hr Bit angels doing the actual postings.

526
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:45,080
Speaker 1: Next post, seventeen July two thousand nine. I'm sorry to

527
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:48,280
Speaker 1: tell you that old Milo died yesterday. He went quiet

528
00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:50,640
Speaker 1: and calm, not like we all figured. I gave the

529
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:53,680
Speaker 1: fat MAINI cat of his little girl next door, no

530
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 1: services or nothing, you know, Milo, I'm taking his ashes

531
00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:00,200
Speaker 1: back to where his farm was. Close to it any way,

532
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:03,240
Speaker 1: there's a mall where his place was, so hoist. If

533
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:05,880
Speaker 1: you for the old man, remember what he said, keep

534
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 1: the faith with the man who's got your back. Um.

535
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:12,040
Speaker 1: This post actually coincides exactly, of course, with the post

536
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:15,960
Speaker 1: on Reddit um that to six made saying that the

537
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:20,200
Speaker 1: time that's the exact same day, similar information uh down

538
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:22,440
Speaker 1: to the mall. Information actually on the Reddit thread to

539
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:27,280
Speaker 1: six gives uh geographic coordinates for the final resting place

540
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:30,680
Speaker 1: of Milo and reaction to kind of a troll comment.

541
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:34,320
Speaker 1: There's a little thread there where somebody basically says like

542
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:37,680
Speaker 1: Milo was a jerk, and to six says, you know,

543
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 1: screw you, not screw you, but screw you. He was

544
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:43,480
Speaker 1: my friend, and um, they get into a little argument

545
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:46,000
Speaker 1: and to six says this is the final resting place

546
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:49,800
Speaker 1: and and post actual um longitude and latitude coordinates. Why

547
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:53,320
Speaker 1: did you do that? That's a really really good question though. No,

548
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:56,760
Speaker 1: and actually that's one of the biggest questions in my mind,

549
00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:00,640
Speaker 1: is why would you do that? And then Joe knows

550
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:03,120
Speaker 1: this really well, Steve you a little bit, know that

551
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:05,240
Speaker 1: Joe and I for the past couple of weeks actually

552
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:08,920
Speaker 1: have been doing really really extensive research into this parcel

553
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:12,960
Speaker 1: of land, kind of crazy levels of extensive research. We

554
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:16,720
Speaker 1: pulled well, yeah, I mean we pulled deeds, We looked

555
00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:20,560
Speaker 1: at census information, We tracked down every single trace with

556
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:23,360
Speaker 1: the help of one of our other experts, Vanessa Um.

557
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:27,640
Speaker 1: And I'm I'm willing to say, I'm if not more

558
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:31,200
Speaker 1: sure that Milobe never had any connection to this parcel

559
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:33,520
Speaker 1: of lands. Yeah, I think that. I think we wasted

560
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:35,240
Speaker 1: our time with all that. I think we actually, I

561
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:37,080
Speaker 1: guess I wouldn't say it was a waste of time

562
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 1: because we were able to really definitively say this post

563
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:44,040
Speaker 1: of these coordinates don't actually have anything to do with

564
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:47,640
Speaker 1: this case, which is almost weirder, like he just went

565
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:50,920
Speaker 1: on a Google Earth and randomly picked a spot coordinate. Yeah,

566
00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:54,520
Speaker 1: but he happened to get a location that is really

567
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:57,360
Speaker 1: close to a place where a boy's orphanage existed in

568
00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:01,560
Speaker 1: the nineteen thirties and forties in that area. You know,

569
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 1: it's this weird, pretty well researched spot that leads to

570
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:10,080
Speaker 1: a million dead ends that we followed up all of

571
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:14,840
Speaker 1: really genuinely, we did so much research. We felt like

572
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:18,840
Speaker 1: crazy people a little bit. But by the way, the

573
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 1: spot is like just south of Gettysburg. Yeah, it's just

574
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:26,080
Speaker 1: south of Getinsburg next to an LMO. But those were

575
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 1: the coordinates that were posted, and we did do a

576
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:30,959
Speaker 1: lot of research and I am really, really really confident

577
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:33,560
Speaker 1: that that had nothing to do with Milo. Well, if

578
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:36,080
Speaker 1: you're trying to keep Milo's identity of secret, you know,

579
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:38,720
Speaker 1: why would you be posting the coordinates to a place

580
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:40,720
Speaker 1: that he used to live. Yeah, but also why would

581
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:43,480
Speaker 1: you be posting coordinates at all? Because the question prior

582
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 1: to to six giving this information wasn't like, oh yeah,

583
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:48,920
Speaker 1: well tell me where you buried him. It was just

584
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 1: like this guy was kind of a skis and to

585
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 1: six was like, well here's his final resting. Like there's

586
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 1: no reason for it was there was just a way

587
00:31:56,640 --> 00:32:00,720
Speaker 1: to end the conversation, running out with the just maybe

588
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:03,000
Speaker 1: just a little red herring that sent us all off

589
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 1: wasting our time trying to track down property records. Ye,

590
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:10,240
Speaker 1: kind of a little bit maybe. Yeah, that's that one

591
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 1: out the window. Next post thirty September two nine. For

592
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:17,480
Speaker 1: those who have asked, I brick Milo's iron key the

593
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:21,080
Speaker 1: same day, all as well filled x x x x

594
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 1: x spec need for inch speaker DP no us W

595
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 1: slash W. So people have pointed out that they think

596
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:31,880
Speaker 1: this is strange because an organization that uses iron keys

597
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:35,479
Speaker 1: shouldn't also need a posting board like this to be maintained, right,

598
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 1: And our experts differed on opinions. And we'll get to

599
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 1: this in a little bit. Yeah, okay, I'll hold the Yeah, yeah,

600
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 1: we'll talk about that in a little bit. So next

601
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:48,000
Speaker 1: posting this is this is also by six correct. All

602
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 1: of these, as far as I can tell, are by

603
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:54,800
Speaker 1: two six. But there's no explicit definition of who's posting

604
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:57,400
Speaker 1: anything on these and these are all on that root

605
00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:00,560
Speaker 1: source code. Again, I gotta say his leaves a lot

606
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 1: to ball right now, okay, okay, me like reading text

607
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:12,120
Speaker 1: messages from family members. Four Nov. Two thousand nine, Milo's

608
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:18,640
Speaker 1: will cleared probate. Surprise, Milo was loaded email Shade. If

609
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:22,120
Speaker 1: we set you out in two thousand five dash two

610
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:26,280
Speaker 1: thousand nine, Shade will have checks cut for you. Amount

611
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:30,640
Speaker 1: is by how many times, not by pay. Total small

612
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 1: share is three slash four k. Okay. So Milo's will

613
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:40,840
Speaker 1: cleared probate in four months, which suggests a couple of things.

614
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 1: Surprise surprise with a Z and an I in the beginning,

615
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:49,960
Speaker 1: I like the way spells probate. Yeah, my god, I

616
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:52,760
Speaker 1: didn't even notice that. Yeah, because I spelled it the

617
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:54,760
Speaker 1: same way. That's probably why you didn't notice it. Yeah.

618
00:33:55,160 --> 00:34:00,360
Speaker 1: Pro That would be a great name for a big shop.

619
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:03,320
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, you're right. It's almost like it's pro bass.

620
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 1: Yeah anyway, So okay, So this being cleared in four

621
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:12,839
Speaker 1: months tells us a couple of things. And this comes

622
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:18,719
Speaker 1: from our expert Nick, who's a lawyer, but not uh

623
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:21,480
Speaker 1: he's not in a state lawyer and not in Pennsylvania.

624
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:23,759
Speaker 1: So um, these could be wrong. And if you know

625
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 1: more about this, then we do. Please let us know. Pennsylvania,

626
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:30,720
Speaker 1: by the way, is where the coordinates were at. Yeah, okay,

627
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:34,399
Speaker 1: so it's one assumes that I I sadly as Joe

628
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:37,480
Speaker 1: said Gettysburg. I was rattling my brain going, oh, hell,

629
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:39,839
Speaker 1: I don't remember you as history. What state was ending.

630
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:45,200
Speaker 1: I'm a little embarrassed by that. Pennsylvania. Yeah, okay. So

631
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:48,440
Speaker 1: the executor of the will knew where the will was,

632
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:51,879
Speaker 1: was in the area and acted immediately upon Milo's death.

633
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:54,840
Speaker 1: The will covered the entire estate and there was no

634
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:58,440
Speaker 1: no one contesting the will or the estate. That sounds

635
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:01,759
Speaker 1: to me like Milo probably didn't have any olives anyway, right, uh.

636
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:03,879
Speaker 1: And it was a simple estate with no real estate

637
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:07,279
Speaker 1: or um and only personal property, so no bonds, no

638
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:10,799
Speaker 1: holdings in other companies, things like that. That makes sense.

639
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 1: The estate was easy to liquidate, so if it was

640
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:15,400
Speaker 1: it was a house that was ready to sell. It

641
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:18,120
Speaker 1: was stuff that could be auctioned off really quickly. Things

642
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:21,239
Speaker 1: like that. Milo very likely, as Joe mentioned, had no

643
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:23,960
Speaker 1: family to contest the will because it cleared in four months.

644
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 1: It would mean that the executor there was nobody who

645
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:28,520
Speaker 1: was going to say, like, no, the executor isn't going

646
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:30,600
Speaker 1: to do that thing. Dear God, if you want to

647
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:35,759
Speaker 1: see the worst come on people, especially when there's a

648
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:39,000
Speaker 1: whole bunch of money involved. Yeah, okay, And then the

649
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:41,359
Speaker 1: other thing is that in Pennsylvania, assuming that the will

650
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:43,839
Speaker 1: was in Pennsylvania. I don't have any reason to believe

651
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:46,719
Speaker 1: that other than the coordinates were there. But okay, so

652
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:50,640
Speaker 1: we're making an assumption on the state that this happened.

653
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 1: I'm just making that assumption. Yeah, in Pennsylvania, creditor can

654
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 1: wait up to a year to make a claim against

655
00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:59,560
Speaker 1: the estate, So there had to be uh like really

656
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 1: reason bulk confidence that that wouldn't happen in order for

657
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:08,040
Speaker 1: the executor to have liquidated all of Milo's holdings so quickly.

658
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:10,920
Speaker 1: This post also suggests that maybe they're taking care of

659
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:14,600
Speaker 1: some back payments to contractors and but it's not clear

660
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:17,919
Speaker 1: to me if they're using the money as bonuses based

661
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 1: on send outs or if it's if they owed contractors

662
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:25,719
Speaker 1: back payments on salaries. But it does indicate that contractors

663
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:29,280
Speaker 1: are being held on salary or retainer. To me, Okay,

664
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:33,480
Speaker 1: I'm not quite sure that I understand the back pay thing,

665
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 1: because four years is a hell of a long time

666
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:40,239
Speaker 1: for back pay, right But I get peeved when i'm

667
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 1: too when somebody's two months behind. So it's maybe that

668
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:47,320
Speaker 1: they were paying them, you know, three quarters of what

669
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:49,319
Speaker 1: they were owed or half of what they were owed

670
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:51,520
Speaker 1: or something like that, instead of we're not paying you

671
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:53,920
Speaker 1: anything because we can't afford to pay you anything. Right,

672
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:59,880
Speaker 1: I understand the theory, I can't understand it working for

673
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 1: that long. Well. And in fairness, it's not as though

674
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 1: you can go out to like Monster dot Com if

675
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 1: you're a contractor or mercenary. Right, it's not like you're

676
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:11,439
Speaker 1: going to be like, bah screw of these guys. They're

677
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:15,439
Speaker 1: giving me only like four jobs a year. Can't make

678
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:18,000
Speaker 1: that work anymore on the salary they're paying me. I'm

679
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 1: gonna go to Monster dot com and find a new job.

680
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:24,440
Speaker 1: Actually that's not true because okay, let's let's take the

681
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:28,279
Speaker 1: mercenary part out. So let's ignore. I know, when you

682
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:31,120
Speaker 1: do the reading, there's all this their assassin's talk. Let's

683
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:36,080
Speaker 1: take that out. Okay, we're there's talking here about security,

684
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:41,560
Speaker 1: all right. Major corporations have operations all over the world

685
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 1: that they need security people for. And I don't mean

686
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:47,000
Speaker 1: just a guy standing with a badge at the gate.

687
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:51,120
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, in dangerous territrizing. Yeah, and those

688
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:55,080
Speaker 1: people are always in demand. So that's a that's an

689
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 1: industry that's easy to job hop. I mean I've known

690
00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:00,880
Speaker 1: guys who they would go. I think this guy went

691
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 1: to South Africa for two or three months at a

692
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:06,800
Speaker 1: time and then would come home for a month, and

693
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 1: then his employer missed him off, so he switched to

694
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:13,160
Speaker 1: another I think it was an oil company or something.

695
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:15,840
Speaker 1: He switched to another company. So we think so that

696
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:19,200
Speaker 1: that's total and that's good information to know. I think

697
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 1: it's then it's more likely that they were paying out bonuses.

698
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:23,920
Speaker 1: That's kind of what I was thinking, was it was

699
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:27,440
Speaker 1: a bonus thing. Okay, Yeah, I just the best bothered me.

700
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:30,400
Speaker 1: That's why I didn't just from good information to have.

701
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:34,560
Speaker 1: I don't know anybody in the contracting sector. I don't

702
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:37,800
Speaker 1: know how. Oh yeah, I know, I do remember how anything. Okay,

703
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:44,280
Speaker 1: now that we've got that settled salaries contractor next post

704
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:52,480
Speaker 1: twelve j Happy New Year, a year, Hapy new year everyone.

705
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:56,680
Speaker 1: We're having a birthday party for the old man on

706
00:38:56,800 --> 00:39:01,480
Speaker 1: the nineteen. Party starts at fifteen hundred at the usual

707
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:06,239
Speaker 1: Send your rs VP to shade f y I. We're

708
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:09,239
Speaker 1: booking a room for three days for anyone coming from

709
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:13,600
Speaker 1: out of area and overnight for locals. Come hoist one

710
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 1: for Dutch Milo. So here's where some really interesting conspiracy

711
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:20,240
Speaker 1: stuff starts to come into play. It suggested that Milo's

712
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:24,759
Speaker 1: birthday was January eighteen thirty. I followed a trail to

713
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 1: agree that he was probably born in January nine thirty.

714
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 1: Come from well, because I saw that. I saw that trail.

715
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 1: I don't know where the nineteenth comes from. But something

716
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:39,120
Speaker 1: else kind of interesting happened on January nineteenth th ten

717
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:41,839
Speaker 1: and included at least thirty three people, probably a few more,

718
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:44,759
Speaker 1: and they were all using fake passports. And more on

719
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 1: that later. So next post. Yeah, okay, eighteen jan we

720
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 1: got thirty eight rooms in the Marriott on forty six

721
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:57,600
Speaker 1: Shade has the key cars for locals Perne pick up

722
00:39:57,640 --> 00:40:01,840
Speaker 1: at the party on Perenne dot uh, give your travel

723
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:04,080
Speaker 1: name to the desk and that's it. No idea needed

724
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:06,839
Speaker 1: since we're covering the bill. Keep the room service under

725
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:10,680
Speaker 1: five okay, the phones there are not secure. Thus from

726
00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:16,279
Speaker 1: the hotel. Leafs at car service vouchers for return trip

727
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:19,600
Speaker 1: when you're ready to crash. Don't d u I fouchers

728
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:23,960
Speaker 1: with the WY. That's the British spelling about youer, I

729
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:30,520
Speaker 1: don't think so. With a W yeah, w travel name

730
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 1: all obviously in case anybody was wondering, is pseudo name

731
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:40,239
Speaker 1: in case somebody didn't put that together. This post captivates

732
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:45,000
Speaker 1: people because there's just enough information for you to speculate wildly,

733
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:49,960
Speaker 1: but not enough information to confirm anything. The Marriott in

734
00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:54,160
Speaker 1: question is most certainly not in Pennsylvania. There's a Marriott

735
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:58,719
Speaker 1: in downtown New York City on Street. The one of

736
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:02,400
Speaker 1: the most expensive rooms is four hundred and twenty four

737
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:06,160
Speaker 1: dollars and eight. Wait, why why did Pennsylvania come into

738
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:08,520
Speaker 1: that when you were saying where it was? Like? Why?

739
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:13,799
Speaker 1: I'm assuming there was speculation that this Marriott was in Pennsylvania,

740
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:17,880
Speaker 1: which we've we talked about for where Milo was supposedly buried, right,

741
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:20,759
Speaker 1: And that's it's because it's the continuation of that. The

742
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:24,800
Speaker 1: The assumption is that since Milo was from Pennsylvania, that

743
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:28,919
Speaker 1: the party would have been in Pennsylvania. And actually there's

744
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:31,920
Speaker 1: a Highway forty six that run through Pennsylvania, so people

745
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:36,160
Speaker 1: assumed that it was the Marriott Street Highway forty six.

746
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 1: But I've looked at the rates there and it's not.

747
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 1: Let's get into the next post and then we'll continue

748
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:45,560
Speaker 1: to discuss, ok, yeah, sorry, Yeah. And the thing about

749
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:47,279
Speaker 1: it is too, is that if you're gonna have a

750
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:50,360
Speaker 1: blowout party for a bunch of like a bunch of

751
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:54,480
Speaker 1: anonymous mercenary type guys, you know you want to have

752
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:57,240
Speaker 1: it in New York City where nobody pays attention to anything.

753
00:41:57,360 --> 00:41:59,520
Speaker 1: And we'll talk about why New York City in a minute.

754
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:01,799
Speaker 1: Let's read the next one and then we'll talk more

755
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 1: about this. Okay to party bills, here is the final

756
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:11,359
Speaker 1: for the party. Hotel rooms three forty one, limo six thousand, eight,

757
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:18,359
Speaker 1: bus bar bill eight ninety. I like that. Yeah, must

758
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:21,360
Speaker 1: have been a great party. Yeah. Food eight thousand and thirty,

759
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:27,920
Speaker 1: dancers three hundred, Miss Landious tips it fifty Miss Landious

760
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:33,319
Speaker 1: expenses forty medical supplies on uh fat, Tommy and stwo

761
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:36,600
Speaker 1: are okay too. So I don't know what happened there.

762
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:39,360
Speaker 1: Maybe we're gonna talk about that and got into it

763
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:44,000
Speaker 1: a little bit. Total thousand eighty dollars you all did, Dutch,

764
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:47,680
Speaker 1: Milo proud, Thanks see sezee you guys. Math. Let's math

765
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:51,600
Speaker 1: real quick, let's math. Yeah, let's math. Three hundred and

766
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:53,799
Speaker 1: forty one divided by thirty eight, which is the number

767
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:55,800
Speaker 1: of rooms they got divided by three, which is the

768
00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:57,879
Speaker 1: number of nights they said they were going to get.

769
00:42:58,120 --> 00:43:01,239
Speaker 1: Is four hundred and twenty four dollars and a little

770
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:04,000
Speaker 1: bit of change, which is what the most expensive room

771
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:08,200
Speaker 1: at the Marriott on forty six in New York City costs. Okay, granted,

772
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:12,440
Speaker 1: granted they don't have thirty eight of those rooms, and

773
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:15,200
Speaker 1: they were only going to get one night for locals. Okay,

774
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 1: thank you. I was I was gonna say, wait, but

775
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:21,279
Speaker 1: not everybody staged it. But that and and and that's

776
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 1: the current rate, right five years later, that's the rate

777
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:28,440
Speaker 1: for the Marriott loves to up their press. Yeah, and

778
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:31,479
Speaker 1: it's one. It is genuinely one of the most expensive rooms.

779
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:37,120
Speaker 1: So it's hard to find the math behind that. I'm

780
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:39,600
Speaker 1: sure there are some combination of the rooms if somebody

781
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:42,279
Speaker 1: wanted to sit and really go through that and find

782
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:44,400
Speaker 1: out what the number was, what the rooms cost at

783
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:48,360
Speaker 1: that time. I'm confident to say that if this party happened,

784
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:52,879
Speaker 1: it happened on st at that Marriott, or that's where

785
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 1: they were staying at least. I I like New York City,

786
00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 1: you know, because of some of the reasons that Joe

787
00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:00,719
Speaker 1: was kind of talking about earlier. It's a big city,

788
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 1: it's centrally located, it's really easy to blend in, it's

789
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:07,279
Speaker 1: really easy to get to for international or or uh

790
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:10,959
Speaker 1: national people, and you know, it's it's a party city.

791
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:15,680
Speaker 1: A huge party like that wouldn't really be a huge deal.

792
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 1: People wouldn't bat a eye at it, for instance. So yeah,

793
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:23,239
Speaker 1: so they had a party for Dutch mile Yeah. Yeah,

794
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:26,360
Speaker 1: I'll also add that, Um, I think this means that

795
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:29,759
Speaker 1: they're like at least seventy six members of this group.

796
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:35,560
Speaker 1: And yeah, well you I guess one presumes that, um,

797
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 1: they're probably getting double occupancy rooms. That's my map. I mean,

798
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:41,560
Speaker 1: that's my assumption that you would get a double occupancy room.

799
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:44,120
Speaker 1: And if you're getting thirty eight rooms, that's about seventy

800
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:52,800
Speaker 1: six people. And additionally, they paid uh thousand and eighty

801
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:55,799
Speaker 1: dollars like it was nothing for a party and then

802
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:59,760
Speaker 1: gave at least three thousand dollars to seventy six members,

803
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:04,239
Speaker 1: probably more more than seventy six members. What organization just

804
00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:08,200
Speaker 1: puts out what the party costs, right, right? I mean

805
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:11,280
Speaker 1: I worked for a corporation and they put on an event,

806
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:14,560
Speaker 1: and I never go to human resources and say so

807
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:20,879
Speaker 1: how much. Yeah, yeah, I'm not sure what that is either.

808
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:22,560
Speaker 1: I mean, I could see where he would if he's

809
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:25,200
Speaker 1: telling the guy who's who's cutting the checks, well, here's

810
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:27,040
Speaker 1: what here's what it was. I'll send you to receipts

811
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:29,080
Speaker 1: later and for the cost. But does he need to

812
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:31,319
Speaker 1: tell everybody that. I don't think so, but I don't

813
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:33,360
Speaker 1: know it does It does look like a message for

814
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:37,880
Speaker 1: everybody that yeah, you all did Dutch Milo proud. Thanks.

815
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:41,239
Speaker 1: Is not that would be addressed to multiple people. Yeah,

816
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:43,640
Speaker 1: it maybe he just wanted to like let people know, hey,

817
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:45,880
Speaker 1: people be grateful. We spend a ton of money and

818
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 1: you Yeah, maybe that's what it was. So the math

819
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 1: equals out to that Milo had at least a half

820
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:54,719
Speaker 1: million dollars probably more, probably more like at least a

821
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:57,680
Speaker 1: million dollars to his name in assets when he died.

822
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:01,600
Speaker 1: That's factory in the onnuses that people were told. Well,

823
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:03,800
Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying is that like if all seventy

824
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:08,239
Speaker 1: six minimum members were getting paid out minimum, the three

825
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:13,320
Speaker 1: thousand dollars plus the cost of the party, it's that

826
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:17,520
Speaker 1: equals out to be like like for four thousand dollars

827
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:19,680
Speaker 1: something like that, almost half a million dollars. And you know,

828
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:22,440
Speaker 1: you don't know what my, my, those final wishes were

829
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:24,560
Speaker 1: to You might have you might have had a couple

830
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:26,040
Speaker 1: of million more. You just wanted that to go to

831
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:28,680
Speaker 1: too six and Shade or something something like that. Yeah,

832
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:32,280
Speaker 1: and then also of note Tommy and Fat Stew got injured.

833
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:35,719
Speaker 1: A hundred and eighty dollars is a lot to spend

834
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:39,600
Speaker 1: on medical supplies, A lot to spend a medical supplies,

835
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:42,880
Speaker 1: because I'm imagining you like go to the local local

836
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:47,200
Speaker 1: Walgreens and like get some medical supplies, like unless you're

837
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:50,080
Speaker 1: buying like an A five machine, if you're just getting

838
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:53,400
Speaker 1: some band aids and gauze. Hundred eight dollars is so

839
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:56,480
Speaker 1: much money to spend on medical supplies. And yeah, if

840
00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:57,759
Speaker 1: you go to if you go to the e Er,

841
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:00,320
Speaker 1: it's not very much. It's at all for the e

842
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:03,239
Speaker 1: it's not that much. But I've been to you know,

843
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:08,560
Speaker 1: the Walgreens or whoever whatever your big pharmacy at store is,

844
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:14,200
Speaker 1: and it's not uncommon to walk through and see the

845
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:17,360
Speaker 1: average price. And that's this is here Importland. So I

846
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:21,240
Speaker 1: understand prices very all over the country, but in Portland,

847
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:26,960
Speaker 1: average price of things to run from ten to forty

848
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:31,080
Speaker 1: or fifty dollars an item, depending on what you're getting.

849
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 1: So it could be that there was a couple of

850
00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:37,200
Speaker 1: expensive things. I mean, I have no idea. Maybe somebody

851
00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:39,279
Speaker 1: had to be allergy and those things aren't cheap. I

852
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:41,839
Speaker 1: don't know, it wasn't a b allergy thing. Don't write

853
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:43,359
Speaker 1: us in and say, Steve, you can't get that over

854
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:46,000
Speaker 1: the counter. I know you can't. The point is there

855
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:49,200
Speaker 1: are things that are really stupidly expensive over the counter,

856
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:51,840
Speaker 1: and it might not have been a whole bunch of stuff.

857
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:55,080
Speaker 1: I guess for me, we're talking like first aid stuff.

858
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:57,360
Speaker 1: You're not gonna go and say, like we spent a

859
00:47:57,440 --> 00:48:00,120
Speaker 1: hundred and eighty dollars on ad bill, right, It's like

860
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:03,480
Speaker 1: stuff we needed to make sure that bleeding stopped for

861
00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:06,120
Speaker 1: a minute. Yeah, it might be that, just it's one

862
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:07,960
Speaker 1: of those things. It's like if you if there were

863
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:12,759
Speaker 1: hotel supplied supplies. Yeah, so it's like everybody rated the

864
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:15,480
Speaker 1: first aid box in their room. How could have been

865
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:17,600
Speaker 1: that or it could have just been that, you know,

866
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:19,839
Speaker 1: it's it's just like reading the mini bar in your room.

867
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:23,600
Speaker 1: I mean, you pay stupidly, stupidly huge amounts of money

868
00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 1: for you know, not that much. Well, so the thing

869
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:28,320
Speaker 1: I was going to bring up is that to me,

870
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:33,520
Speaker 1: this post reads that Fat Tommy and Stu went to

871
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:38,480
Speaker 1: the hospital or went someplace else that medical supply does

872
00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:41,080
Speaker 1: not apply to them because of the next post. I

873
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:43,719
Speaker 1: will agree with that. Okay, Okay, so yeah, let's talk.

874
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:48,359
Speaker 1: Let's read the next post. Okay. Nineteen February news Mad

875
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:52,319
Speaker 1: insurance went up. Sorry me and Shade cut our take

876
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:55,000
Speaker 1: by five percent to help cover the tab. You pay

877
00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:58,680
Speaker 1: two percent more. Filled x x x x X spec

878
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:03,600
Speaker 1: Immediate need for Korean fluent Korean slash dialect, slash accent

879
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:08,600
Speaker 1: details after contact, six week half paste equester on refusal

880
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:13,560
Speaker 1: six mode gig bonus. So do you feel like we

881
00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:17,600
Speaker 1: need to translate that posting Maybe a little bit. So, yeah,

882
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:21,200
Speaker 1: so it would be filled, which because it was filled

883
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:25,440
Speaker 1: right um. Specification immediate need for people who are fluent

884
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:27,680
Speaker 1: in Korean. They need to be fluent in Korean with

885
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:31,120
Speaker 1: a specific dialect or accent and those details will be

886
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:34,560
Speaker 1: given after contract. If you refuse that contract after be

887
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:37,120
Speaker 1: given the details, you're going to be sequestered on half

888
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:40,440
Speaker 1: pay for six weeks. The gig is six months and

889
00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:43,439
Speaker 1: you'll get a bonus. We talked about this, this whole

890
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:46,480
Speaker 1: sequester thing. Yet it sounds like yeah, if if it's

891
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:50,040
Speaker 1: a secret thing, they like scuirrel, you away somewhere or

892
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:52,480
Speaker 1: so you can't talk or call or anybody. I'm trying

893
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:55,320
Speaker 1: to figure out, is it that or is it a

894
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:59,080
Speaker 1: salary thing? You know, like you get X amount every month?

895
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:01,640
Speaker 1: The let's just say I get two grand a month

896
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:07,200
Speaker 1: for being something and I'm gonna lose PAF of my

897
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:12,319
Speaker 1: my salary for six weeks. If I that's actually that's

898
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:17,560
Speaker 1: a good question for me. I go one of two ways. Either, uh,

899
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:21,360
Speaker 1: these people are paid salary all the time, right, And

900
00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:23,160
Speaker 1: if they say oh, yeah, I'll do that job and

901
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:24,760
Speaker 1: they found out the details and they say oh, actually

902
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:27,040
Speaker 1: I won't do that job, their salary gets cut and

903
00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:29,480
Speaker 1: they get put on this sequester of the they're not

904
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:31,640
Speaker 1: eligible for any more jobs than likely they have to

905
00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:33,759
Speaker 1: be watched to make sure that they're not going to

906
00:50:34,040 --> 00:50:37,680
Speaker 1: talk about the jobs that they learned about for X

907
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:40,920
Speaker 1: number of months. Or you say you know you're not

908
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:44,239
Speaker 1: you don't have a salary. The salary comes in with

909
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:46,440
Speaker 1: the job. You say yeah, I'll take that job. You

910
00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:48,520
Speaker 1: learn the details. You say, actually I won't take that job,

911
00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:51,239
Speaker 1: and they say, okay, you're not eligible for a job

912
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:54,080
Speaker 1: for the next whatever, but you'll get paid half of

913
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:56,800
Speaker 1: the salary that we were offering you in the interim

914
00:50:56,880 --> 00:50:59,400
Speaker 1: to make it worth your while. The salary we were

915
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:02,040
Speaker 1: offering you for the job or just your normal salary.

916
00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:04,480
Speaker 1: We either wouldn't in that instance, there wouldn't be a

917
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:07,480
Speaker 1: normal salary. See, okay, now that I will agree with

918
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:10,840
Speaker 1: your first version. The second version doesn't work. No, I agree,

919
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:13,240
Speaker 1: but I go back and forth a little bit, because,

920
00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:15,680
Speaker 1: like you were saying, there's so much need that it

921
00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:17,719
Speaker 1: would be possible for you to just kind of take

922
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:20,040
Speaker 1: whatever job you wanted. I don't that. I just don't

923
00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:24,440
Speaker 1: think these guys were these ads were for like salary

924
00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:26,839
Speaker 1: jobs where the guys getting paid annual salary. I think

925
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:29,560
Speaker 1: it's just a contractor kind of gig where you know,

926
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:31,800
Speaker 1: you get six months or six weeks or whatever, you

927
00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:34,440
Speaker 1: get paid this amount this amount of money for doing

928
00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:37,399
Speaker 1: this job. And as far as your food refusal it goes.

929
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:40,319
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not sure you know exactly. I guess

930
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:42,560
Speaker 1: that means that for whatever reason you refuse to do

931
00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:45,160
Speaker 1: the job, then then they squirrel you away somewhere they

932
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:47,680
Speaker 1: sequest to you, and they still pay you some money,

933
00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:51,440
Speaker 1: you know, And that's the second option, right, So you

934
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:54,480
Speaker 1: guys are torn between both options. Yeah, I mean, it's

935
00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:57,640
Speaker 1: just it doesn't financially, it doesn't make sense to me

936
00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:01,279
Speaker 1: to have a guy read the details of a job,

937
00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:05,839
Speaker 1: squirrel him away, pay for him wherever you've squirreled him away,

938
00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:09,279
Speaker 1: and then pay him for being in that place. Well,

939
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:11,080
Speaker 1: you want to pay him for that. I mean, if

940
00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:15,520
Speaker 1: if it's a sensitive mission, right and he could totally

941
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:18,640
Speaker 1: screw it up in the first six weeks, You're not

942
00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:21,440
Speaker 1: gonna say, Okay, thanks for your time. By after he

943
00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:24,480
Speaker 1: knows the details, you're gonna say, okay, I hear you.

944
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:27,880
Speaker 1: You don't want to do this weird blackwater potentially killing

945
00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:31,600
Speaker 1: children operation. Okay, you're going to go sit in that

946
00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:34,560
Speaker 1: hotel room for six weeks, no contact with anybody from

947
00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:36,600
Speaker 1: the outside world. But we will pay you just to

948
00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:38,480
Speaker 1: swait in a little bit, a little bit of money

949
00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:40,719
Speaker 1: to make it worth your while. And I think this

950
00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:42,239
Speaker 1: is the kind of thing if you're setting up kind

951
00:52:42,239 --> 00:52:44,879
Speaker 1: of a bad incentive system for people to just show

952
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:47,040
Speaker 1: up and say, yeah, tell me about it. I'm not interested,

953
00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:51,640
Speaker 1: but I was like, dude, I'm never going to go

954
00:52:51,719 --> 00:52:55,520
Speaker 1: on a mission. Yeah exactly, but I'm assuming that. I'm

955
00:52:55,520 --> 00:52:57,640
Speaker 1: assuming that if you refuse more than a couple of times,

956
00:52:57,719 --> 00:53:01,000
Speaker 1: they probably like that as well. Yeah, it's got you know,

957
00:53:01,120 --> 00:53:04,120
Speaker 1: I mean, the easy option is all right, I'm gonna

958
00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:07,640
Speaker 1: take three jobs a year. I'm gonna turn down three

959
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:10,960
Speaker 1: jobs a year or whatever it is, and so I'm

960
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:13,200
Speaker 1: still gonna be making okay money, but I can slide

961
00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:15,640
Speaker 1: by like it just doesn't make any sense. I agree.

962
00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:20,880
Speaker 1: I lean more towards the you get paid a salary, like,

963
00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:23,800
Speaker 1: no matter what, especially the health insurance thing, that you

964
00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:26,280
Speaker 1: get paid an annual salary. And then if you refuse

965
00:53:26,320 --> 00:53:28,319
Speaker 1: a job, it's a question, you know, you only make

966
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:30,480
Speaker 1: half of what you would usually make for that amount

967
00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:32,800
Speaker 1: of time. I don't. I don't really think so myself,

968
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:35,000
Speaker 1: because I mean, it sounds like they've got so many

969
00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:38,680
Speaker 1: different guys that they've got these guys on a salary for,

970
00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:41,680
Speaker 1: you know, when when they're not sending out that often.

971
00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:44,480
Speaker 1: Really um so it just seems it seems to be

972
00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:50,680
Speaker 1: careful of going down making that assumption that the posts

973
00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:55,200
Speaker 1: that we see are the only jobs that they had. Well. Additionally,

974
00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:58,000
Speaker 1: I think there's something to be said for saying, Okay,

975
00:53:58,040 --> 00:54:00,279
Speaker 1: you're going to make fifty year or you know, a

976
00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:03,160
Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars a year. If a single job pays

977
00:54:03,239 --> 00:54:07,360
Speaker 1: your organization for hundred thousand dollars, half a million, a

978
00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:10,440
Speaker 1: million dollars, the people who are collecting that money are

979
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:14,360
Speaker 1: still making a buttload of money on you and paying

980
00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:18,200
Speaker 1: you whatever. So I think there's I have no idea

981
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:21,200
Speaker 1: what jobs like this pay on either end, you know,

982
00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:23,600
Speaker 1: what people are willing to pay for these services or

983
00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:26,719
Speaker 1: what people are paid for these services. And I think

984
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:31,000
Speaker 1: there is totally the opportunity there for saying we're gonna

985
00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:34,080
Speaker 1: pay you a totally decent annual salary, you know, depending

986
00:54:34,120 --> 00:54:37,040
Speaker 1: on how many jobs you do. You know, you're required

987
00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:38,960
Speaker 1: to do this many jobs a year or something like that, right,

988
00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:42,440
Speaker 1: your requires to five jobs a year or work x

989
00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:44,960
Speaker 1: number of months or something like that. And we make

990
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:47,520
Speaker 1: so much money on this thing that it's okay that

991
00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:50,320
Speaker 1: we're paying the salary even if you're not working. You know,

992
00:54:50,520 --> 00:54:54,560
Speaker 1: I think there's probably a fair margin of air there. Yeah,

993
00:54:54,560 --> 00:54:58,000
Speaker 1: I'm gonna stick with my side, but hey, yeah, and

994
00:54:58,080 --> 00:55:00,120
Speaker 1: I think, so let's talk about the health insure. It's

995
00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:03,279
Speaker 1: because yeah, next the next little bit on this. Yeah,

996
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:06,919
Speaker 1: we're talking about this post. Sure, it seems like fat

997
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:10,040
Speaker 1: Tommy and Stu had to make a claim against their insurance,

998
00:55:10,640 --> 00:55:13,120
Speaker 1: which would likely have caused insurance to go up. And

999
00:55:13,400 --> 00:55:16,560
Speaker 1: it means that something bigger went down than just the

1000
00:55:16,719 --> 00:55:19,719
Speaker 1: hundred and eighty dollars and maybe the hundreds and eighty

1001
00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:23,319
Speaker 1: dollars in medical supplies was for everyone else, something kind

1002
00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:26,000
Speaker 1: of big, like maybe a big fight or something happened

1003
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:28,640
Speaker 1: and two guys had to be hospitalized and the rest

1004
00:55:28,680 --> 00:55:30,920
Speaker 1: of them were like, all right, butterfly bandages and gauze.

1005
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:33,440
Speaker 1: That's going to get us through. I think the medical

1006
00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:35,759
Speaker 1: insurance going up was not related to the events of

1007
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:39,160
Speaker 1: the post, because I mean, in sharance, companies don't find

1008
00:55:39,239 --> 00:55:42,160
Speaker 1: stuff out that fast and they don't move that fast. Yeah,

1009
00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:45,800
Speaker 1: this is but ten days twenty days later, yeah, not

1010
00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:48,440
Speaker 1: even yeah, like two weeks. And I was going to say,

1011
00:55:48,560 --> 00:55:52,960
Speaker 1: is that you would have to have an extremely small

1012
00:55:53,160 --> 00:55:56,600
Speaker 1: pool of members. That's what healthy companies call them. Your

1013
00:55:56,640 --> 00:55:58,879
Speaker 1: member pool would have to be super small for two

1014
00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:04,200
Speaker 1: people making claim to change your rate. I mean yeah,

1015
00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:06,839
Speaker 1: but still the and the other thing here is, uh,

1016
00:56:07,840 --> 00:56:10,800
Speaker 1: the nineteen that was seventeen days after we not now, okay,

1017
00:56:10,840 --> 00:56:13,160
Speaker 1: that was a month after. It's it's highly likely that

1018
00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:15,600
Speaker 1: the insurance company at that point had not even received

1019
00:56:15,600 --> 00:56:19,560
Speaker 1: any claims for the incident on the nineteen that happened.

1020
00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:25,320
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think it was just unrelated. That's fair. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Anyway,

1021
00:56:25,560 --> 00:56:29,319
Speaker 1: so there's more job postings until March twelfth of two

1022
00:56:29,360 --> 00:56:32,480
Speaker 1: thousand ten. So that's there's the answer to the question

1023
00:56:32,600 --> 00:56:36,759
Speaker 1: of how long was it before the um the post

1024
00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:41,240
Speaker 1: started to become encrypted? Because on March the posts started

1025
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:45,080
Speaker 1: becoming encrypted because the people who were running that old

1026
00:56:45,120 --> 00:56:51,040
Speaker 1: guy's image posting discovered that the general population of Reddit

1027
00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:55,320
Speaker 1: had realized that there was some stuff being posted in

1028
00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:58,359
Speaker 1: the source code and they were reading it and analyzing. Yeah,

1029
00:56:58,520 --> 00:57:01,279
Speaker 1: so they decided to Like, so we're looking at eight

1030
00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:04,560
Speaker 1: or nine months, eight or nine months maybe, but again

1031
00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:07,120
Speaker 1: I don't have I don't have good dates for the

1032
00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:10,839
Speaker 1: actual first date that it was discovered. I'm only making

1033
00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:13,960
Speaker 1: that up based off of one of our posts that

1034
00:57:14,120 --> 00:57:16,840
Speaker 1: we have in the notes that we have here versus

1035
00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:18,920
Speaker 1: this date, and that's about eight or nine months yeah,

1036
00:57:19,640 --> 00:57:22,800
Speaker 1: close enough, close enough, less than a year. We start

1037
00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:27,480
Speaker 1: with encrypted hashes these UM, and the pads at the

1038
00:57:27,560 --> 00:57:30,440
Speaker 1: top of the text is like really really bizarre. We

1039
00:57:30,560 --> 00:57:33,680
Speaker 1: get things like don't Joe do you want to read these? Yeah? Yeah,

1040
00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:38,680
Speaker 1: Samuel Roger Basker flogger pinochet yeah, or and then upscale

1041
00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:43,560
Speaker 1: triangle topical tangent mars like what is going? They are

1042
00:57:43,720 --> 00:57:48,080
Speaker 1: their tongue twisters. They're really good alliteration, but they don't

1043
00:57:48,120 --> 00:57:53,120
Speaker 1: correspond with any phonetic alphabet out there, obviously, because you've

1044
00:57:53,160 --> 00:57:54,760
Speaker 1: got three t s in a row and they're using

1045
00:57:54,800 --> 00:57:58,680
Speaker 1: different words for um. You know, they're daily pads. They've

1046
00:57:58,720 --> 00:58:01,560
Speaker 1: got to be their daily at least. Yeah. Do you

1047
00:58:01,640 --> 00:58:04,080
Speaker 1: put your path out there for ever to see you though? Well,

1048
00:58:04,160 --> 00:58:06,640
Speaker 1: that's a good question, right, And UM, as far as

1049
00:58:06,680 --> 00:58:08,440
Speaker 1: I know, none of them, none of these have ever

1050
00:58:08,520 --> 00:58:12,680
Speaker 1: been decrypted, because after that it actually changed to a

1051
00:58:12,720 --> 00:58:15,480
Speaker 1: long string of numbers UM. And then after that it

1052
00:58:15,600 --> 00:58:18,400
Speaker 1: changed to a totally different kind of encryption. UM. In fact,

1053
00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:21,160
Speaker 1: here's what you had to say about this, And I

1054
00:58:21,240 --> 00:58:23,080
Speaker 1: think what they did was they switched over to PGP,

1055
00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:27,320
Speaker 1: which is a lot more accessible really than trying to

1056
00:58:27,400 --> 00:58:31,040
Speaker 1: sit there and decrypt something you know by hand. You

1057
00:58:31,120 --> 00:58:33,040
Speaker 1: can just use your pgp ky you know to do

1058
00:58:33,120 --> 00:58:36,640
Speaker 1: it in a text document. There's a thread on drunk

1059
00:58:36,720 --> 00:58:41,240
Speaker 1: Stepfather discussing the fate of that old guy's image hosting

1060
00:58:41,360 --> 00:58:44,360
Speaker 1: slash the Lake City Quiet Pills dot com and and

1061
00:58:44,600 --> 00:58:48,240
Speaker 1: many of the users on drunk Stepfather, like we said,

1062
00:58:48,320 --> 00:58:50,720
Speaker 1: we're associated with the Lake City Quiet Pills group, not

1063
00:58:50,840 --> 00:58:53,240
Speaker 1: all of them were. I'm pretty sure that the user

1064
00:58:53,800 --> 00:58:59,280
Speaker 1: Madame Miao was not Madame Yao. However, did eventually gain

1065
00:58:59,320 --> 00:59:02,200
Speaker 1: control of City Quiet fiels dot com and then, according

1066
00:59:02,320 --> 00:59:07,960
Speaker 1: to our anonymous Reddit user, I would say around actually

1067
00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:11,960
Speaker 1: so very recently, the server crashed and then they lost

1068
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:13,520
Speaker 1: every bit of pictures on it. I don't think they're

1069
00:59:13,520 --> 00:59:16,640
Speaker 1: part about since, as far as I can tell um,

1070
00:59:17,040 --> 00:59:21,400
Speaker 1: the posts on the roots source stopped pretty quickly after

1071
00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:24,960
Speaker 1: they'd been discovered, even the encrypted ones. It's likely that

1072
00:59:25,040 --> 00:59:27,480
Speaker 1: the group decided or realized that they needed to be

1073
00:59:27,560 --> 00:59:31,120
Speaker 1: a little more sophisticated than whatever they were doing. Uh

1074
00:59:31,280 --> 00:59:34,560
Speaker 1: and their theories out there that the images themselves contained

1075
00:59:34,600 --> 00:59:37,880
Speaker 1: additional information, but I don't I'm not sure about that.

1076
00:59:38,160 --> 00:59:42,240
Speaker 1: I think it's an interesting theory, but I also think

1077
00:59:42,560 --> 00:59:45,000
Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe it seemed like it was safe

1078
00:59:45,040 --> 00:59:48,280
Speaker 1: to hide in plain site or I mean, I mean, okay,

1079
00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:50,439
Speaker 1: so like who's going to dig into the source code

1080
00:59:50,440 --> 00:59:54,200
Speaker 1: of like an image site, like a porn image site. Realistically,

1081
00:59:54,280 --> 00:59:56,600
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, that is that is hiding plane site.

1082
00:59:56,640 --> 01:00:00,160
Speaker 1: But putting the you know what is the process us

1083
01:00:00,240 --> 01:00:03,040
Speaker 1: when you put the information in an image? I can't

1084
01:00:03,080 --> 01:00:06,160
Speaker 1: remember what that's called, and I can't remember either, Okay.

1085
01:00:06,320 --> 01:00:09,680
Speaker 1: The point is that seems like if if they're using

1086
01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:14,120
Speaker 1: such a simple system of what we've seen to put

1087
01:00:14,200 --> 01:00:18,880
Speaker 1: this information out there, that suddenly seems like a massively

1088
01:00:19,040 --> 01:00:22,880
Speaker 1: more sophisticated way to go about it by putting it

1089
01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:27,080
Speaker 1: into the images. So yeah, so actually there they're too.

1090
01:00:27,160 --> 01:00:30,840
Speaker 1: Really two interesting theories about this, and the first one

1091
01:00:30,920 --> 01:00:34,440
Speaker 1: was suggested to me by our expert Lori, who is

1092
01:00:34,960 --> 01:00:37,960
Speaker 1: she's been a computer science professor for like twenty years

1093
01:00:38,040 --> 01:00:40,600
Speaker 1: or something like that, and she thought that maybe it

1094
01:00:40,680 --> 01:00:42,920
Speaker 1: was like a holding tank, like they were just dumping

1095
01:00:43,160 --> 01:00:47,040
Speaker 1: this information into the root source code that's kind of

1096
01:00:47,080 --> 01:00:52,240
Speaker 1: an archive almost. However, since she suggested that, we've learned

1097
01:00:52,360 --> 01:00:55,640
Speaker 1: that users did see these things updated, it was things

1098
01:00:55,680 --> 01:00:58,400
Speaker 1: would change to fill there would be new posting that

1099
01:00:58,640 --> 01:01:02,000
Speaker 1: it's not really good. It's almost a log file, is

1100
01:01:02,040 --> 01:01:04,360
Speaker 1: what she was getting at it. It was logging it

1101
01:01:04,440 --> 01:01:06,240
Speaker 1: and just dumping it in and it would just keep

1102
01:01:06,320 --> 01:01:08,240
Speaker 1: putting new stuff at the top, or that it well,

1103
01:01:08,320 --> 01:01:10,760
Speaker 1: that it was an archive, that like that it was

1104
01:01:10,840 --> 01:01:13,560
Speaker 1: dumped off of an iron key to archive at someplace

1105
01:01:13,640 --> 01:01:16,120
Speaker 1: else for instance. Yeah, but like I said, since we

1106
01:01:16,200 --> 01:01:19,200
Speaker 1: did see it updated, or since I didn't, but since

1107
01:01:19,280 --> 01:01:24,120
Speaker 1: it was seen updated, and there's there's some series right

1108
01:01:24,200 --> 01:01:27,360
Speaker 1: that it was just accidentally. Yeah, so let's actually cut

1109
01:01:27,480 --> 01:01:30,240
Speaker 1: to Zeno. He has a really really really interesting theory

1110
01:01:30,240 --> 01:01:33,360
Speaker 1: about this. I think what was happening was that this

1111
01:01:33,480 --> 01:01:36,800
Speaker 1: stuff was being put into the into the root of

1112
01:01:36,840 --> 01:01:40,960
Speaker 1: the websites comments, the htmail comments by accident. I don't

1113
01:01:40,960 --> 01:01:43,120
Speaker 1: think that that was actually where they were posting this stuff.

1114
01:01:43,600 --> 01:01:46,640
Speaker 1: I think I think that it was some kind of error.

1115
01:01:47,160 --> 01:01:50,920
Speaker 1: You know, I used to do a limited amount of

1116
01:01:51,200 --> 01:01:53,800
Speaker 1: web programming when I first got out of the military

1117
01:01:53,840 --> 01:01:56,040
Speaker 1: as one of my you know, in a previous career

1118
01:01:56,080 --> 01:02:00,440
Speaker 1: of mine, I did a little bit of PHP. And

1119
01:02:00,720 --> 01:02:02,720
Speaker 1: I think what was going on was that when they

1120
01:02:02,800 --> 01:02:06,680
Speaker 1: developed that website badly at first, because it was clearly,

1121
01:02:07,000 --> 01:02:10,280
Speaker 1: clearly you know, kind of shade tree construction going on there,

1122
01:02:10,720 --> 01:02:14,040
Speaker 1: that they had done something where it was supposed to comment,

1123
01:02:14,600 --> 01:02:16,680
Speaker 1: you know, it's supposed to to to write out those

1124
01:02:16,720 --> 01:02:18,920
Speaker 1: comments just as a testing teacher, and they forgot to

1125
01:02:18,960 --> 01:02:22,240
Speaker 1: remove it. One of the other users in that forum mentioned, oh,

1126
01:02:22,320 --> 01:02:24,960
Speaker 1: I fixed it. Then you know it shouldn't appear there anymore,

1127
01:02:25,160 --> 01:02:27,680
Speaker 1: you know, like that, you know, as if you know,

1128
01:02:27,760 --> 01:02:29,960
Speaker 1: the encryption wasn't working, and now it is kind of thing,

1129
01:02:30,120 --> 01:02:32,520
Speaker 1: but it's just weird enough that I think it makes

1130
01:02:32,600 --> 01:02:37,960
Speaker 1: people developed even stranger theories, like well, then he's also

1131
01:02:38,080 --> 01:02:40,400
Speaker 1: hosting this web this image hosting site, you know, this

1132
01:02:40,560 --> 01:02:42,680
Speaker 1: religion and peace guy, and I think that it's not

1133
01:02:42,840 --> 01:02:44,800
Speaker 1: just so that he can post his pornography and his

1134
01:02:44,960 --> 01:02:47,640
Speaker 1: jail bait pictures, but also so that he can post

1135
01:02:48,160 --> 01:02:52,400
Speaker 1: steganography um and put hidden messages inside jpeg and gift

1136
01:02:52,440 --> 01:02:55,480
Speaker 1: images and stuff. And I don't know that that's what

1137
01:02:55,640 --> 01:02:57,600
Speaker 1: was going on. I kind of doubt it. These guys

1138
01:02:57,640 --> 01:02:59,680
Speaker 1: don't seem like they were that tex savvy, to be honest.

1139
01:02:59,840 --> 01:03:02,280
Speaker 1: I mean, if if if they were posting their job

1140
01:03:02,360 --> 01:03:06,760
Speaker 1: board in the comments of their main page, then yeah,

1141
01:03:07,120 --> 01:03:11,080
Speaker 1: I don't think tegonography is in their vocabulary. Okay. So anyways,

1142
01:03:11,800 --> 01:03:15,000
Speaker 1: in spite of five years of work, I mean a

1143
01:03:15,160 --> 01:03:17,440
Speaker 1: lot of users have looked into this, and it has

1144
01:03:17,480 --> 01:03:20,480
Speaker 1: been at least five six years worth of work, there's

1145
01:03:20,520 --> 01:03:24,520
Speaker 1: been almost no movement on the case since, uh, since

1146
01:03:24,560 --> 01:03:27,240
Speaker 1: it was first discovered. I suspect it might be at

1147
01:03:27,280 --> 01:03:33,520
Speaker 1: a dead end. So theories, please, theories. First, Let's talk

1148
01:03:33,520 --> 01:03:36,400
Speaker 1: about this bank thing. It's just a little weird. I

1149
01:03:36,440 --> 01:03:38,120
Speaker 1: don't I didn't really know where to put it other

1150
01:03:38,200 --> 01:03:42,520
Speaker 1: than theories, but it's an interesting tidbit. The bank thing,

1151
01:03:42,840 --> 01:03:46,439
Speaker 1: so who is was run on Lake City Quiet Hills

1152
01:03:46,440 --> 01:03:50,320
Speaker 1: dot com back in uh two thousand nine, and it

1153
01:03:50,440 --> 01:03:53,640
Speaker 1: yielded some really interesting results. Let's just let Zeno tell

1154
01:03:53,720 --> 01:03:56,080
Speaker 1: it real quick. It gets a lot weirder. You know,

1155
01:03:56,200 --> 01:03:57,800
Speaker 1: when we looked at I think we looked at it

1156
01:03:57,920 --> 01:04:03,040
Speaker 1: who is of the uh Lake Cities Quiet Pills dot

1157
01:04:03,120 --> 01:04:06,200
Speaker 1: com domain, and it kind of led us back to

1158
01:04:06,320 --> 01:04:09,800
Speaker 1: a bank that had Israeli connections. And then but it

1159
01:04:09,880 --> 01:04:12,640
Speaker 1: was just like a small obscure bank branch. And uh.

1160
01:04:13,680 --> 01:04:20,560
Speaker 1: Then you know the whole assassination date being party and

1161
01:04:20,600 --> 01:04:25,120
Speaker 1: all that. It's so so plausible when you read through

1162
01:04:25,200 --> 01:04:29,480
Speaker 1: the timeline of the assassination and uh kind of you know,

1163
01:04:29,760 --> 01:04:32,040
Speaker 1: the number of people that were involved, Like that assassination

1164
01:04:32,240 --> 01:04:35,760
Speaker 1: was executed by thirty three people, thirty five if you

1165
01:04:35,800 --> 01:04:38,720
Speaker 1: count the two Palestinians that were arrested. All of them

1166
01:04:38,760 --> 01:04:41,720
Speaker 1: had fake passports. And we're from all over the world,

1167
01:04:41,800 --> 01:04:45,720
Speaker 1: some from Austria, some from Australia, some from you know,

1168
01:04:46,480 --> 01:04:48,919
Speaker 1: all of our Europe, and some from the United States. Yeah.

1169
01:04:49,280 --> 01:04:52,280
Speaker 1: I remember it leading to a bank in the Midwest

1170
01:04:53,200 --> 01:04:57,040
Speaker 1: that had ties to Israel, and beyond that, I can't remember.

1171
01:04:57,080 --> 01:04:59,160
Speaker 1: I just remember it was a small, small bank. It

1172
01:04:59,280 --> 01:05:03,400
Speaker 1: wasn't like big national size bank. There's a small local

1173
01:05:03,440 --> 01:05:07,520
Speaker 1: bank with TYSDA Israel. The so I know, you know,

1174
01:05:07,640 --> 01:05:12,320
Speaker 1: there's the who is and which just who is is

1175
01:05:12,640 --> 01:05:16,760
Speaker 1: kind of the the Internet equivalent of the phone book.

1176
01:05:17,040 --> 01:05:22,120
Speaker 1: This phone number belongs to this person. Yeah, it's the

1177
01:05:22,240 --> 01:05:26,080
Speaker 1: very simple version of whose website is this? Okay, But

1178
01:05:26,440 --> 01:05:30,440
Speaker 1: there are services out there that you can purchase that

1179
01:05:30,800 --> 01:05:35,320
Speaker 1: mask you. So, you know, my my IP address of

1180
01:05:35,440 --> 01:05:38,400
Speaker 1: my server is blah blah blah blah blah, but this

1181
01:05:38,600 --> 01:05:43,760
Speaker 1: masking service covers that and says that it's actually something

1182
01:05:43,920 --> 01:05:49,120
Speaker 1: different which is under this kind of umbrella organization. But

1183
01:05:49,280 --> 01:05:53,520
Speaker 1: will that will that re route who is? Yes, Okay,

1184
01:05:53,760 --> 01:05:56,920
Speaker 1: that's the point of these services. So let's say that

1185
01:05:57,400 --> 01:06:00,480
Speaker 1: I start a website and I think that it's funny

1186
01:06:00,560 --> 01:06:03,080
Speaker 1: to put up all these scheezy photos of these girls

1187
01:06:03,120 --> 01:06:05,000
Speaker 1: that I take on the street, and the website is

1188
01:06:05,000 --> 01:06:09,280
Speaker 1: called Thinking Side with Podcast, and you know, and I

1189
01:06:09,440 --> 01:06:13,600
Speaker 1: decide it's probably not good if people know that where

1190
01:06:13,760 --> 01:06:15,680
Speaker 1: you know that I own it because I have a

1191
01:06:15,800 --> 01:06:18,840
Speaker 1: job that's a respectable professional thing. But my perverse thing

1192
01:06:18,880 --> 01:06:21,640
Speaker 1: to do is take up shots. Okay, Well I don't

1193
01:06:21,680 --> 01:06:23,840
Speaker 1: want them to know that. So I'm gonna go ahead

1194
01:06:23,920 --> 01:06:28,160
Speaker 1: and take this service, which web hosts offer at an

1195
01:06:28,240 --> 01:06:32,680
Speaker 1: obscenely cheap rate, like pennies on the dollar cheap, and

1196
01:06:33,280 --> 01:06:36,640
Speaker 1: it will bounce that so that you're under something else.

1197
01:06:36,720 --> 01:06:41,520
Speaker 1: So nobody knows that I Steve own that image site.

1198
01:06:42,440 --> 01:06:45,800
Speaker 1: It goes under this other thing. So that's that's the

1199
01:06:45,920 --> 01:06:49,479
Speaker 1: one thing that I thought about after the conversation with Zeno,

1200
01:06:49,720 --> 01:06:53,040
Speaker 1: is I wonder it seems likely, right? I mean, it's not.

1201
01:06:54,320 --> 01:06:57,960
Speaker 1: There was no attempts to hide the fact that Milo

1202
01:06:58,200 --> 01:07:02,959
Speaker 1: owned that site. It was attributed to him. No, explicitly.

1203
01:07:03,320 --> 01:07:07,000
Speaker 1: Nobody ever said, like, I don't know, I could do

1204
01:07:07,120 --> 01:07:09,640
Speaker 1: that with my website. Yeah, no, totally. I could say

1205
01:07:09,880 --> 01:07:12,480
Speaker 1: Steve the Skis totally owns this website, but no one

1206
01:07:12,560 --> 01:07:14,880
Speaker 1: knows who Steve the Skis in. Yeah. Absolutely, and I

1207
01:07:15,560 --> 01:07:19,720
Speaker 1: totally agree with that. It's just it's yeah, yeah, I

1208
01:07:19,760 --> 01:07:21,800
Speaker 1: mean that's but that's really good information. It's just something

1209
01:07:21,840 --> 01:07:24,680
Speaker 1: to keep in mind. It's interesting on either end. Right,

1210
01:07:25,280 --> 01:07:29,720
Speaker 1: Either a bank with ties to Israel owned this, which

1211
01:07:31,120 --> 01:07:35,680
Speaker 1: w yeah, or uh, there was a mask that happens

1212
01:07:36,160 --> 01:07:39,640
Speaker 1: and who decided the masket by putting it at a

1213
01:07:39,760 --> 01:07:42,920
Speaker 1: bank in Israel? That's a really that's a that's a

1214
01:07:43,040 --> 01:07:46,520
Speaker 1: great joke, but kind of a sick joke. Also another weird.

1215
01:07:46,840 --> 01:07:51,160
Speaker 1: It's just weird, weird, weird, weird altogether. Okay, So, um,

1216
01:07:51,880 --> 01:07:55,880
Speaker 1: I guess, as theories go, typical of Devon, a couple

1217
01:07:56,000 --> 01:07:59,640
Speaker 1: just big headers and tons of bullets. So let's say

1218
01:07:59,720 --> 01:08:04,280
Speaker 1: me pills, you start calling them quiet pills. Yeah, let's

1219
01:08:04,360 --> 01:08:10,080
Speaker 1: let's say it's real. Yeah, yeah, sure, I think it's real. Um,

1220
01:08:10,520 --> 01:08:12,520
Speaker 1: I think it's real. I just think it was a

1221
01:08:12,640 --> 01:08:15,919
Speaker 1: private sector maybe some blackwater stuff. And as Zeno said,

1222
01:08:16,000 --> 01:08:19,439
Speaker 1: it's it's probably not explicit like assassin work. Now, I

1223
01:08:19,560 --> 01:08:22,160
Speaker 1: doubt that. But as far as the assassins go, yeah,

1224
01:08:22,200 --> 01:08:25,160
Speaker 1: that's a pretty huge stable of assassins to have, it is. Yeah,

1225
01:08:25,400 --> 01:08:27,160
Speaker 1: really kind of a lot. But he like to have

1226
01:08:27,280 --> 01:08:31,439
Speaker 1: that many assassins available to me. I guess. Um. While

1227
01:08:31,479 --> 01:08:35,680
Speaker 1: we're talking about assassins, though, remember how a couple, Oh,

1228
01:08:35,720 --> 01:08:37,800
Speaker 1: I guess it was more than a couple. A while ago,

1229
01:08:38,000 --> 01:08:40,839
Speaker 1: I was talking about how something else really interesting happened

1230
01:08:41,000 --> 01:08:45,200
Speaker 1: on January nineteen, all the people to fake passports. Yeah,

1231
01:08:46,439 --> 01:08:51,840
Speaker 1: so you may or may not know that. On January ten,

1232
01:08:51,960 --> 01:08:54,439
Speaker 1: the same day as the quote unquote party was happening,

1233
01:08:54,640 --> 01:08:58,280
Speaker 1: thirty five people using fake passports murdered the co founder

1234
01:08:58,320 --> 01:09:02,720
Speaker 1: of the military wing of Hamas. His name was Mahmud

1235
01:09:02,880 --> 01:09:07,120
Speaker 1: al Mabou. This whole unsolved. It's a whole unsolved mystery

1236
01:09:07,160 --> 01:09:11,360
Speaker 1: in and of itself. It's a huge rabbit hole unsolved mystery,

1237
01:09:11,760 --> 01:09:14,240
Speaker 1: the assassination of this gentleman. Yeah, this is what I

1238
01:09:14,280 --> 01:09:16,600
Speaker 1: want to cover one of these videos. Yeah, this is

1239
01:09:16,640 --> 01:09:19,240
Speaker 1: a great mystery for Joe. But there is a theory

1240
01:09:19,280 --> 01:09:21,000
Speaker 1: out there that the Lake City quiet Pills were part

1241
01:09:21,040 --> 01:09:24,200
Speaker 1: of the organization that killed him. So maybe the party

1242
01:09:24,280 --> 01:09:26,320
Speaker 1: wasn't actually in New York at all. Yeah, and it does,

1243
01:09:26,360 --> 01:09:29,120
Speaker 1: I mean, it does seem unlikely, but the post does

1244
01:09:29,320 --> 01:09:33,960
Speaker 1: really suspiciously correspond with the fact that I don't know you.

1245
01:09:34,800 --> 01:09:37,080
Speaker 1: You know, it would also explain the money. It would

1246
01:09:37,080 --> 01:09:41,920
Speaker 1: explain the money makes way more sense and the locals,

1247
01:09:42,400 --> 01:09:44,360
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, okay, let's let's go back to

1248
01:09:44,479 --> 01:09:49,240
Speaker 1: that threat that post were we've got rooms for out

1249
01:09:49,320 --> 01:09:52,519
Speaker 1: of towners, which is people who aren't in that area,

1250
01:09:52,600 --> 01:09:56,200
Speaker 1: who are traveling international for this job. And the locals

1251
01:09:56,280 --> 01:09:59,800
Speaker 1: get a one day like that. That suddenly makes the

1252
01:10:00,120 --> 01:10:03,840
Speaker 1: money work out so much better. Yeah, there's a lot,

1253
01:10:04,400 --> 01:10:07,720
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff. And it also makes sense why

1254
01:10:07,920 --> 01:10:13,040
Speaker 1: you would post the money because this was a huge operation.

1255
01:10:13,600 --> 01:10:17,439
Speaker 1: Could have been their first time doing something on that scale. So, hey, guys,

1256
01:10:17,600 --> 01:10:19,160
Speaker 1: we're on the up and up. I know there was

1257
01:10:19,240 --> 01:10:22,120
Speaker 1: talk from Billy over the corner that we were doing

1258
01:10:22,160 --> 01:10:25,160
Speaker 1: something funny before we give him a quiet pill. We

1259
01:10:25,240 --> 01:10:27,040
Speaker 1: just wanted to prove that we were straight up with

1260
01:10:27,080 --> 01:10:30,680
Speaker 1: the money. Yeah. Yeah. The interesting thing though, is that

1261
01:10:31,200 --> 01:10:34,559
Speaker 1: you know, the people who are most motivated to murder

1262
01:10:34,680 --> 01:10:38,599
Speaker 1: the leader of the MOSS would be the Israelis. Yeah,

1263
01:10:39,320 --> 01:10:43,679
Speaker 1: which is actually is really interesting because the bank. Well yeah,

1264
01:10:43,720 --> 01:10:46,000
Speaker 1: it's interesting because of the bank, but also it's interesting

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01:10:46,040 --> 01:10:50,240
Speaker 1: because a lot of people were using Palestinian passports. These

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01:10:50,280 --> 01:10:52,599
Speaker 1: people were some of them, I mean, they were all fake.

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01:10:52,840 --> 01:10:56,599
Speaker 1: All of the passports were fake. They were stolen from people. Again,

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01:10:56,720 --> 01:10:58,080
Speaker 1: I don't want to go too deep into this, but

1269
01:10:58,120 --> 01:11:02,919
Speaker 1: they were stolen from people who were mostly dual citizens

1270
01:11:03,000 --> 01:11:07,360
Speaker 1: European and Israeli. Yeah. Um, and it was it was

1271
01:11:07,400 --> 01:11:09,559
Speaker 1: like thirty three people. It was like this huge operation.

1272
01:11:10,080 --> 01:11:12,400
Speaker 1: I'm sure we'll cover this at some point because it

1273
01:11:12,479 --> 01:11:16,560
Speaker 1: is this like huge mystery. But again, Zeno had some

1274
01:11:16,680 --> 01:11:19,280
Speaker 1: interesting things to say about this. You know, the dates

1275
01:11:19,320 --> 01:11:23,200
Speaker 1: are the same. They're talking about having thirty something hotel rooms. Um,

1276
01:11:23,240 --> 01:11:25,519
Speaker 1: they're talking about the party starting at a certain time,

1277
01:11:25,800 --> 01:11:28,519
Speaker 1: and this started at a certain time on their timeline. Uh,

1278
01:11:29,000 --> 01:11:33,000
Speaker 1: like uh, it all started really um for the team

1279
01:11:33,040 --> 01:11:36,519
Speaker 1: in Dubai around two pm. You know that that kind

1280
01:11:36,560 --> 01:11:38,519
Speaker 1: of roughly maps to the planet they were given the

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01:11:38,600 --> 01:11:42,080
Speaker 1: day before. And some people said, well, you know, who

1282
01:11:42,120 --> 01:11:44,320
Speaker 1: would give them all their orders like literally the day

1283
01:11:44,400 --> 01:11:47,120
Speaker 1: before or on the day of. That doesn't make any sense. Well,

1284
01:11:47,200 --> 01:11:49,559
Speaker 1: it just could have been loose reminders like hey, these

1285
01:11:49,600 --> 01:11:51,880
Speaker 1: are just your quick final instructions that they knew the

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01:11:51,920 --> 01:11:54,320
Speaker 1: deal before they went you know this, This was just

1287
01:11:54,479 --> 01:11:58,479
Speaker 1: like okay, guys, final final notes before we go again.

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01:11:58,560 --> 01:12:00,640
Speaker 1: I do think that this was a real thing. I

1289
01:12:00,720 --> 01:12:04,160
Speaker 1: don't think necessarily that they were involved with the assassination

1290
01:12:04,200 --> 01:12:08,560
Speaker 1: in Dubai, but it's definitely plausible given the overlapping information.

1291
01:12:09,000 --> 01:12:12,240
Speaker 1: I do think though, that they were involved in hiring

1292
01:12:13,040 --> 01:12:18,479
Speaker 1: mercenary types or armed security types for different things throughout

1293
01:12:18,479 --> 01:12:20,439
Speaker 1: the world. Whether they were for the good guys or

1294
01:12:20,479 --> 01:12:22,960
Speaker 1: the bad guys or the indifferent guys. Who knows. So

1295
01:12:23,479 --> 01:12:26,759
Speaker 1: the next theory is that it's a hoax. It probably

1296
01:12:27,200 --> 01:12:29,320
Speaker 1: I don't think it is. I don't you know what.

1297
01:12:29,560 --> 01:12:32,559
Speaker 1: The thing that I asked you to squirrel away earlier

1298
01:12:32,880 --> 01:12:37,000
Speaker 1: is that there's proof, like definitive. You can see it

1299
01:12:37,240 --> 01:12:40,960
Speaker 1: find it still to this day, proof that somebody with

1300
01:12:41,120 --> 01:12:44,040
Speaker 1: the domain with an email at Lakesy Quiet Pills dot

1301
01:12:44,080 --> 01:12:49,040
Speaker 1: com was posting on FARC as early as two thousand

1302
01:12:49,120 --> 01:12:56,599
Speaker 1: and one. That's a fourteen far long hoax. We're talking

1303
01:12:56,680 --> 01:13:00,040
Speaker 1: at this point. That's a really long hoax, but a

1304
01:13:00,120 --> 01:13:03,360
Speaker 1: long con It's a long, long comment. The thing about

1305
01:13:03,920 --> 01:13:05,479
Speaker 1: think about it is too, is if you're doing a

1306
01:13:05,560 --> 01:13:08,679
Speaker 1: long com, you're gonna like set up a website dedicated

1307
01:13:08,720 --> 01:13:10,240
Speaker 1: to this. It's not just that you're not just gonna

1308
01:13:10,320 --> 01:13:13,040
Speaker 1: leave it on Reddit, right, And you're also not going

1309
01:13:13,120 --> 01:13:17,000
Speaker 1: to let the website go defunct like they did with

1310
01:13:17,360 --> 01:13:19,320
Speaker 1: Lake City quite PILs dot com. Well, I mean that

1311
01:13:19,479 --> 01:13:21,120
Speaker 1: that actually could be a part of the strategy, is

1312
01:13:21,120 --> 01:13:24,280
Speaker 1: like you let the way let the website go away. Yeah,

1313
01:13:24,479 --> 01:13:26,120
Speaker 1: it's like, well we went away and we want somewhere

1314
01:13:26,160 --> 01:13:28,400
Speaker 1: else because of security considerations. But then you're still going

1315
01:13:28,439 --> 01:13:30,400
Speaker 1: to set up a couple of websites elsewhere We're going

1316
01:13:30,479 --> 01:13:32,960
Speaker 1: to discuss this huge unsolved mystery and try to get

1317
01:13:33,000 --> 01:13:35,840
Speaker 1: it publicized. You're gonna try to create a Wikipedia page

1318
01:13:35,920 --> 01:13:38,920
Speaker 1: for it. Most this thing doesn't have So if it

1319
01:13:39,000 --> 01:13:41,599
Speaker 1: was a long con, it's not very good. Yeah, not really,

1320
01:13:41,800 --> 01:13:43,880
Speaker 1: but I haven't done it right. My other thing is

1321
01:13:44,080 --> 01:13:46,559
Speaker 1: is that like the the the age of that at

1322
01:13:46,720 --> 01:13:51,280
Speaker 1: Lake City Pills dot com address. I manage a lot

1323
01:13:51,360 --> 01:13:53,439
Speaker 1: of websites for people, you know, It's just part of

1324
01:13:53,520 --> 01:13:57,040
Speaker 1: what I do. And I have folks that use emails

1325
01:13:57,080 --> 01:14:01,360
Speaker 1: through their website and they've had that website for getting

1326
01:14:01,439 --> 01:14:04,960
Speaker 1: close to a decade. Now all of their email goes

1327
01:14:05,080 --> 01:14:07,920
Speaker 1: through it. Do you know what what we've done to

1328
01:14:08,040 --> 01:14:11,080
Speaker 1: update their website in the last eight years. Not a

1329
01:14:11,160 --> 01:14:15,240
Speaker 1: damn thing. I mean, really, the website could go away

1330
01:14:15,360 --> 01:14:17,839
Speaker 1: for all I care and be just a blank page.

1331
01:14:18,200 --> 01:14:19,640
Speaker 1: They're just using it as a way to get their

1332
01:14:19,680 --> 01:14:22,479
Speaker 1: email because they like having their own email. This goes

1333
01:14:22,520 --> 01:14:25,960
Speaker 1: the opposite way. But I'm saying the age of it

1334
01:14:26,200 --> 01:14:30,080
Speaker 1: is that it may have started as just let's just

1335
01:14:30,200 --> 01:14:32,120
Speaker 1: start this thing, and we did this, and it wasn't

1336
01:14:32,200 --> 01:14:34,679
Speaker 1: you know, the website sucked because you know what, angel

1337
01:14:34,760 --> 01:14:37,160
Speaker 1: to six, you're terrible at building website. But hey, at

1338
01:14:37,200 --> 01:14:39,439
Speaker 1: least we got an email account, and now we all

1339
01:14:39,479 --> 01:14:41,280
Speaker 1: have our email accounts. I don't want to get rid

1340
01:14:41,320 --> 01:14:43,120
Speaker 1: of my email account because that's such a pain in

1341
01:14:43,160 --> 01:14:46,040
Speaker 1: the butt to tell everybody where I'm at. I can't

1342
01:14:46,160 --> 01:14:49,160
Speaker 1: forward it because you'll kill it. So it I do

1343
01:14:49,320 --> 01:14:51,439
Speaker 1: this all the time, and I know I tries people nuts,

1344
01:14:51,479 --> 01:14:53,120
Speaker 1: but I just look at it from the kind of

1345
01:14:53,439 --> 01:14:57,800
Speaker 1: the ocums raiser, the simplest lazy perspective. They did this thing.

1346
01:14:58,200 --> 01:15:00,800
Speaker 1: It's there, it's kind of cheap just keep using it

1347
01:15:00,920 --> 01:15:04,880
Speaker 1: and then at some point somebody hacked it or somebody

1348
01:15:05,000 --> 01:15:08,160
Speaker 1: took it over and turned it into this other thing,

1349
01:15:08,520 --> 01:15:11,360
Speaker 1: into a hoax. Well, yeah, turn it into this this

1350
01:15:11,560 --> 01:15:14,280
Speaker 1: you know, got in there and built something else on

1351
01:15:14,479 --> 01:15:16,920
Speaker 1: top of it. Yes, I mean, I think it's just

1352
01:15:17,160 --> 01:15:21,519
Speaker 1: weird that they're I mean, you know, like on any

1353
01:15:21,640 --> 01:15:24,519
Speaker 1: form you see right that you've got those users who

1354
01:15:24,560 --> 01:15:28,519
Speaker 1: have their like little little animated picture and they're like, yeah,

1355
01:15:28,800 --> 01:15:30,800
Speaker 1: but the fact that the sign off was dispensing Lake

1356
01:15:30,800 --> 01:15:33,720
Speaker 1: City Quiet pills to unlucky blah blah blah blah blah

1357
01:15:33,720 --> 01:15:37,400
Speaker 1: blah blah blah, since whatever. Yeah, the fact that it

1358
01:15:37,560 --> 01:15:39,840
Speaker 1: was so connected to the stuff that was happening in

1359
01:15:39,920 --> 01:15:43,000
Speaker 1: the root source, it just it seems like too big.

1360
01:15:43,120 --> 01:15:45,840
Speaker 1: Like if we're gonna go Acom's razor, the simplest explanation

1361
01:15:46,000 --> 01:15:49,120
Speaker 1: is that it's all real. It's not that somebody later

1362
01:15:49,720 --> 01:15:52,240
Speaker 1: took this and did a hoax on top of it

1363
01:15:52,400 --> 01:15:55,120
Speaker 1: to like create this one thing. I'm gonna let it go.

1364
01:15:56,439 --> 01:15:59,519
Speaker 1: We could argue that back and forth, we can, and

1365
01:15:59,800 --> 01:16:03,360
Speaker 1: it's gonna get us nowhere. That's so I'm gonna I'm

1366
01:16:03,400 --> 01:16:06,719
Speaker 1: just gonna let it go. I don't think that that's

1367
01:16:06,920 --> 01:16:10,640
Speaker 1: the case. But moving forward, what is I don't know

1368
01:16:10,680 --> 01:16:14,479
Speaker 1: if there anymore in this the whole hoax arena, No, no,

1369
01:16:14,640 --> 01:16:16,080
Speaker 1: I just I was the only thing I was gonna

1370
01:16:16,080 --> 01:16:19,280
Speaker 1: say is that how many people have actually gone into

1371
01:16:19,320 --> 01:16:22,519
Speaker 1: the HTML and seeing this stuff and themselves on Lake

1372
01:16:22,560 --> 01:16:25,280
Speaker 1: City Quite Pills. Yeah, I don't know. I don't like

1373
01:16:25,360 --> 01:16:28,920
Speaker 1: there's any more than dozens. I would say a lot.

1374
01:16:29,040 --> 01:16:33,920
Speaker 1: I'm being conservative. So it did exist then, absolutely, Yeah,

1375
01:16:34,080 --> 01:16:36,160
Speaker 1: that way, I guess, kind of arguing, guess, I guess

1376
01:16:36,240 --> 01:16:38,680
Speaker 1: it being a hoax, so there's still a strange communication

1377
01:16:38,720 --> 01:16:41,000
Speaker 1: system they had going there. It is again, it's you know,

1378
01:16:41,120 --> 01:16:43,960
Speaker 1: totally possible, as you know, positive that it was just

1379
01:16:44,160 --> 01:16:49,320
Speaker 1: a accident. Yeah, possible. Yeah. So the one last theory

1380
01:16:49,360 --> 01:16:52,000
Speaker 1: that we have is that it's an ergy. No freaking

1381
01:16:52,040 --> 01:16:56,479
Speaker 1: way Field, I didn't know we were still connected to

1382
01:16:56,560 --> 01:16:59,880
Speaker 1: that guy. Let's talk about this for a second. Okay,

1383
01:17:00,400 --> 01:17:04,120
Speaker 1: So my argument against it being an r G is

1384
01:17:04,200 --> 01:17:07,320
Speaker 1: that like Lake City Quiet Pills dot Com isn't exactly

1385
01:17:07,400 --> 01:17:09,000
Speaker 1: the kind of website that you would want to use

1386
01:17:09,080 --> 01:17:14,599
Speaker 1: for your marketing. Stunt slash companies, slash all inclusive game, right,

1387
01:17:14,680 --> 01:17:19,439
Speaker 1: It's basically a porn site. Basically a porn site. You

1388
01:17:19,479 --> 01:17:22,200
Speaker 1: don't really want to be running your alternate game reality

1389
01:17:22,600 --> 01:17:25,240
Speaker 1: in the source code of that. But okay, maybe fine.

1390
01:17:25,760 --> 01:17:28,600
Speaker 1: On the other hand, maybe it's an a r G

1391
01:17:29,080 --> 01:17:31,920
Speaker 1: and all the Reddit users have been quote unquote investigating

1392
01:17:31,960 --> 01:17:33,800
Speaker 1: it the most are in fact part of the whole

1393
01:17:33,880 --> 01:17:37,080
Speaker 1: damn thing, and they've been perpetuating the myth the entire time.

1394
01:17:37,680 --> 01:17:41,360
Speaker 1: Guess what, we can't actually rule that out, but exactly

1395
01:17:41,520 --> 01:17:43,879
Speaker 1: what is it? What kind of thing is it promoting?

1396
01:17:44,400 --> 01:17:46,759
Speaker 1: It's not it's not that it would be a promotion.

1397
01:17:46,840 --> 01:17:48,439
Speaker 1: It's that it would be an actual game that people

1398
01:17:48,439 --> 01:17:51,120
Speaker 1: are participating in, like a role playing game, that people

1399
01:17:51,160 --> 01:17:53,679
Speaker 1: are actually participating in pretending to be these different agents

1400
01:17:55,080 --> 01:17:57,280
Speaker 1: quote unquote going out in the real world. They're not

1401
01:17:57,360 --> 01:18:01,760
Speaker 1: actually that are pretending to be these people, and that, right,

1402
01:18:01,840 --> 01:18:06,040
Speaker 1: it is just continuing to perpetuate that, right, Okay, in fairness,

1403
01:18:06,240 --> 01:18:08,880
Speaker 1: here's let's just hear what Zino has to say in full,

1404
01:18:09,160 --> 01:18:12,200
Speaker 1: no freaking way. Other people think that it's it's a hoax.

1405
01:18:12,640 --> 01:18:14,720
Speaker 1: You know that somebody just put this together is to

1406
01:18:15,040 --> 01:18:18,080
Speaker 1: control some people. If so, then the amount of dedication

1407
01:18:18,120 --> 01:18:21,200
Speaker 1: that that would take is just just incredible, unprecedented. You know,

1408
01:18:21,560 --> 01:18:26,080
Speaker 1: it's ridiculous. I think it's real. What do you guys think, Um, well,

1409
01:18:26,439 --> 01:18:30,840
Speaker 1: um yeah, it's it's hard to believe, but that it

1410
01:18:30,920 --> 01:18:36,000
Speaker 1: really is the best alternative. But I think, like Zeno

1411
01:18:36,240 --> 01:18:38,360
Speaker 1: is that it was just an error that caused some

1412
01:18:38,439 --> 01:18:40,679
Speaker 1: of the stuff to be written into the HTML code,

1413
01:18:41,320 --> 01:18:43,519
Speaker 1: either as like comments or logs or something like that.

1414
01:18:43,880 --> 01:18:48,960
Speaker 1: And and but it's the comments are kind of disjointed,

1415
01:18:49,040 --> 01:18:52,200
Speaker 1: like especially the stuff concerning the party, and you kind

1416
01:18:52,240 --> 01:18:54,400
Speaker 1: of feel like not everything made it out there. And

1417
01:18:54,479 --> 01:18:56,800
Speaker 1: I don't know why that is. You'd think that we

1418
01:18:56,880 --> 01:19:00,200
Speaker 1: would have a more complete record of these communications. Um,

1419
01:19:00,800 --> 01:19:05,880
Speaker 1: So I don't really get that why, But yeah, I'm torn.

1420
01:19:06,720 --> 01:19:08,960
Speaker 1: They're I'm going to use air quotes around the word

1421
01:19:09,040 --> 01:19:13,400
Speaker 1: evidence because it's just data on the Internet. But the

1422
01:19:13,479 --> 01:19:18,360
Speaker 1: evidence that we have does lend itself to show that

1423
01:19:18,520 --> 01:19:21,920
Speaker 1: this probably was a thing. But at the same time,

1424
01:19:23,000 --> 01:19:26,120
Speaker 1: I'm not convinced. I mean, it just again to me,

1425
01:19:26,200 --> 01:19:29,320
Speaker 1: it's just something that could be a simple hoax of

1426
01:19:29,479 --> 01:19:33,360
Speaker 1: some goofball doing something and thinking he was being funny

1427
01:19:34,120 --> 01:19:38,280
Speaker 1: and then realizing that people were reading what he was

1428
01:19:38,360 --> 01:19:41,280
Speaker 1: putting up and deciding to troll them a little more

1429
01:19:42,240 --> 01:19:46,800
Speaker 1: and troll them for a while and then say, let

1430
01:19:46,880 --> 01:19:50,400
Speaker 1: me pull the ultimate troll and just start putting up

1431
01:19:50,479 --> 01:19:55,800
Speaker 1: gibberish and then do nothing like that's that's completely plausible.

1432
01:19:57,280 --> 01:19:59,880
Speaker 1: I'm very I'm very torn. Well, here's a here's a

1433
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:02,240
Speaker 1: the reason I don't. I don't think that's the case.

1434
01:20:02,439 --> 01:20:06,519
Speaker 1: It's possible, but this isn't really actually a very sexy case.

1435
01:20:07,640 --> 01:20:10,719
Speaker 1: People going to try to stot to like, you know, really,

1436
01:20:10,960 --> 01:20:13,479
Speaker 1: you know, get something going do or do really do

1437
01:20:13,560 --> 01:20:15,800
Speaker 1: a long com You don't you think it's going to

1438
01:20:15,920 --> 01:20:20,639
Speaker 1: involve kidnapping, murder stuff like that. I mean, this stuff

1439
01:20:20,760 --> 01:20:23,920
Speaker 1: is just guys going out and being security guards basically

1440
01:20:24,000 --> 01:20:26,400
Speaker 1: bodyguards and stuff like that. I guess the other reason

1441
01:20:26,479 --> 01:20:30,360
Speaker 1: that I think it's real is because they vaguely reference

1442
01:20:30,880 --> 01:20:33,920
Speaker 1: going out into the field in the forums in Drunk

1443
01:20:33,960 --> 01:20:37,080
Speaker 1: step Father, you know, is there are these discussions that

1444
01:20:37,120 --> 01:20:40,240
Speaker 1: are they don't say anything explicit obviously, but users on

1445
01:20:40,360 --> 01:20:44,720
Speaker 1: drunk Stepfather, who are all members of or not all

1446
01:20:44,800 --> 01:20:47,000
Speaker 1: of the people who are posting these things on drunk

1447
01:20:47,040 --> 01:20:50,320
Speaker 1: Stepfather are also people who we can associate pretty closely

1448
01:20:50,439 --> 01:20:54,000
Speaker 1: with Lake City Quiet Pills they're talking about fuel experience,

1449
01:20:54,000 --> 01:20:57,839
Speaker 1: they're talking about army experience. It's it's corroborated in different formats,

1450
01:20:57,880 --> 01:21:01,600
Speaker 1: in different forums where they're talking about these things. So

1451
01:21:02,000 --> 01:21:04,840
Speaker 1: for me, that speaks to more than just one dude

1452
01:21:04,920 --> 01:21:08,160
Speaker 1: saying like that, let's do this funny hoax. But I

1453
01:21:08,439 --> 01:21:13,080
Speaker 1: I still I can see one dude finding all kinds

1454
01:21:13,160 --> 01:21:18,240
Speaker 1: of joy and making multiple accounts and juggling that crap.

1455
01:21:18,360 --> 01:21:21,120
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, there there was a time where

1456
01:21:21,200 --> 01:21:23,719
Speaker 1: I thought, hey, it would be funny to pull this gag,

1457
01:21:23,960 --> 01:21:25,800
Speaker 1: and I started to figure out how to pull a

1458
01:21:25,840 --> 01:21:30,000
Speaker 1: gag on the internet and realize very quickly, A, I

1459
01:21:30,240 --> 01:21:31,800
Speaker 1: wasn't going to be able to pull it off, but

1460
01:21:32,000 --> 01:21:35,200
Speaker 1: be there's a lot of work and a whole lot

1461
01:21:35,240 --> 01:21:37,880
Speaker 1: of or like you've gotta be really organized. So but

1462
01:21:38,040 --> 01:21:41,120
Speaker 1: there are people like that, Absolutely there are. But I

1463
01:21:41,200 --> 01:21:44,479
Speaker 1: guess not to like be a jerk. But your original

1464
01:21:44,560 --> 01:21:46,960
Speaker 1: argument was like, well, it's all comes rasor that it's

1465
01:21:47,000 --> 01:21:49,519
Speaker 1: like simpler that it's one dude like but at this

1466
01:21:49,640 --> 01:21:52,280
Speaker 1: point anymore. But but that's the thing is that that

1467
01:21:52,439 --> 01:21:54,760
Speaker 1: this is why I'm torn because I can see I

1468
01:21:54,880 --> 01:21:57,080
Speaker 1: can see it being that simple. I can see a

1469
01:21:57,160 --> 01:22:00,160
Speaker 1: bit that that complex and sadly I can see go

1470
01:22:00,320 --> 01:22:03,040
Speaker 1: with nine degrees he have a direction where it is. Again,

1471
01:22:03,200 --> 01:22:07,680
Speaker 1: some jerkuad hacks their server. I mean we've had conversations

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Speaker 1: about servers that have been happy I've had to deal

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Speaker 1: with and it's like whoa what and nobody knew you?

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Speaker 1: And that's I think that's the thing about this case

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Speaker 1: that had me, you guys know, down rabbit hole for

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Speaker 1: a couple of months. Now it'll be great to have

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Speaker 1: I've been obsessed lost did Yeah, it's insane. I didn't

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Speaker 1: really have thirty pounds to lose, but here I am

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Speaker 1: just a bone and some skin. Can we finish up

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Speaker 1: skeletor no? Because there's enough, there's enough information out there

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Speaker 1: that it's intriguing, but not enough that we will ever

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Speaker 1: get closure. Probably no, especially the site's gone. Yeah, this

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01:22:50,840 --> 01:22:54,479
Speaker 1: this whole case it's gone. It's done anyway, Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: think it is. But you yeah, yeah, So if you

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Speaker 1: want to read some of the read it threats that

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Speaker 1: we've been talking about, Unfortunately again we can't. I'm not

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Speaker 1: going to link the drunk Stepfather forums. Devin can say

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Speaker 1: we will, but Steve, I'm not going to do that.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, I didn't even go out and look at that. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so all of our research is going to be read

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Speaker 1: at lengths this week. Unfortunately. I'm sorry guys, But if

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Speaker 1: you want to read those links, if you want to

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01:23:20,320 --> 01:23:22,880
Speaker 1: go back to the original post of the original finding

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Speaker 1: of this um, you can find those links on our website.

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01:23:26,360 --> 01:23:30,000
Speaker 1: That website is Thinking Sideways podcast dot com. You can

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Speaker 1: also leave a comment on any of the shows. There.

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Speaker 1: You can find links to our Patreon and our PayPal

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01:23:38,920 --> 01:23:44,000
Speaker 1: and also our merch websites all there as well. You

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Speaker 1: can find us on Facebook. We have a page and

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Speaker 1: a group. The group is private, so you have to

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Speaker 1: request to be part of the group. Yeah. Actually, I

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01:23:53,600 --> 01:23:55,840
Speaker 1: was gonna I need to cut you off here for

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01:23:56,040 --> 01:23:58,680
Speaker 1: interrupt for a second. So, and we're gonna have to

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Speaker 1: start saying this on a regular basis for folks we

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01:24:02,840 --> 01:24:06,519
Speaker 1: have recently, as of the time of this recording, we're

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Speaker 1: starting to get a lot of folks who are sending

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Speaker 1: us friends requests. Okay, Well, the problem is we are

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Speaker 1: active on the Thinking Sideways Facebook page, and we're active

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Speaker 1: in the Thinking Sideways group. We don't do anything with

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Speaker 1: the Facebook account itself, So the one that's Steve Devon Joe,

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Speaker 1: don't think everybody is starting to friend that, and I am.

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Speaker 1: Now I'm gonna I've got it this week, reach out

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Speaker 1: to everybody who's friended us and tell them listen, go here,

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Speaker 1: and we're we're gonna have to set a policy from

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Speaker 1: here on forward of I'm not going to accept for

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Speaker 1: friend requests because I don't want to be. We don't

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Speaker 1: want to be the jerk who they're like, we totally

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Speaker 1: friended you and you guys put nothing up and you

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Speaker 1: say you do all of it like that. We don't

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01:24:50,840 --> 01:24:54,360
Speaker 1: want to give that that false impression. So but also

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Speaker 1: if you post something on our Steve Devon Joe whatever

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Speaker 1: that page is called, we don't see page, we don't

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Speaker 1: read it. Just find just just search thinking sideways and

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Speaker 1: friend us or no dot friend us, don't friend us,

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01:25:08,760 --> 01:25:13,679
Speaker 1: don't friend that, okay, like like or join the group. Yeah,

1526
01:25:14,160 --> 01:25:18,599
Speaker 1: is so complicated, So complicated it is. So I'm sorry

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Speaker 1: to interrupt, but I just want to let everybody know

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Speaker 1: that if you have gotten an email from us or

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Speaker 1: i'm sorry, Facebook message through Messenger and then suddenly you're

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Speaker 1: we fell off your friends list, it's because I'm going

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Speaker 1: to after a short amount of time prone all the

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Speaker 1: friends off because they don't want to give people the

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Speaker 1: false impression that that's where the things we talk about

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Speaker 1: are happening. Yeah. Uh so, okay, I guess on the

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Speaker 1: end of that time rand. You can also find us

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Speaker 1: on Twitter. We do use Twitter. You can tend us

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Speaker 1: anywhere on Twitter. I'm using Twitter a lot recently. If

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Speaker 1: you want to hear about my escapades and playing Fallout four,

1539
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Speaker 1: follow us on Twitter. We're Thinking Sideways. Beat up by

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Speaker 1: the time this comes out right, no, probably not No. Um,

1541
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Speaker 1: I have a job at a life and stuff like that.

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01:26:07,600 --> 01:26:11,040
Speaker 1: You can also we have a subreddit it's Thinking Sideways,

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Speaker 1: it's picking up Steam. We do episode discussions. You guys

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Speaker 1: can ask questions things like that. We're there pretty often.

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01:26:17,960 --> 01:26:20,000
Speaker 1: If you want to just chat with us for you suggestions.

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Speaker 1: If you want to be added to that list of

1547
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Speaker 1: experts that we used so heavily for this episode, UM,

1548
01:26:26,560 --> 01:26:29,479
Speaker 1: drop us an email. We're Thinking Sideways podcast at gmail

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Speaker 1: dot com. Uh and then I mentioned briefly earlier Patreon.

1550
01:26:33,680 --> 01:26:36,760
Speaker 1: We have that link on the website. You can also

1551
01:26:36,800 --> 01:26:39,479
Speaker 1: find us at patreon dot com slash Thinking Sideways. If

1552
01:26:39,520 --> 01:26:42,920
Speaker 1: you want to make a sustaining donation to the show.

1553
01:26:43,520 --> 01:26:47,320
Speaker 1: You are more than welcome to do that. Obviously it's optional, um,

1554
01:26:47,439 --> 01:26:50,519
Speaker 1: but we really really appreciate it helps us cover costs

1555
01:26:50,720 --> 01:27:00,599
Speaker 1: like hosting and servers. And it was not easer hat.

1556
01:27:00,960 --> 01:27:03,439
Speaker 1: As I said last week. You can either donate or

1557
01:27:03,520 --> 01:27:07,920
Speaker 1: you can stop downloading our shows, but do one of those.

1558
01:27:09,080 --> 01:27:12,599
Speaker 1: I'm kidding, I'm kidding, um, but we really really really

1559
01:27:12,640 --> 01:27:16,160
Speaker 1: appreciate any donation that you give to the show. I

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Speaker 1: have some some people have it. I really do. Everybody

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Speaker 1: genuinely amazing again, which is nice, really really nice. Um. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I guess all that having been said, God bless you

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Speaker 1: for making it to the end of this episode. Oh

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Speaker 1: my god, how many people you think are still awake?

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Speaker 1: I don't know. We can say whatever we want. Yeah,

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01:27:40,320 --> 01:27:43,639
Speaker 1: we're going to the Rocky Mountains. Why did we make

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Speaker 1: a two hour episode on something that we don't even

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Speaker 1: know is real because it's on the internet, and the

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Speaker 1: internet it's fake. Time is fake? Life? Is fake? Or fake? Yeah? Fake? Yeah? Crap.

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Speaker 1: We gotta go. Yeah and that was time to leave.

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Speaker 1: So time everybody. See you next week.