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Speaker 2: And in today's episode bad News, Guys, Aliens coming to us.
Speaker 2: It's happened and Mason's begun and what surprised it was
Speaker 2: the once again the absolute machinations of the corporation that
Speaker 2: have done it as a but the entire story of
Speaker 2: the Alien franchise and guys, something creepies happened to the children.
Speaker 2: So we're gonna be talking about.
Speaker 1: But first stay away from are you since okay? Alienor
Speaker 1: of episode one Wow. We open uh contemporaneously just just
Speaker 1: a few years before the events of the first Alien movie,
Speaker 1: and we get this epigram to start off with. In
Speaker 1: the future, the race for immortality will come in three guys,
Speaker 1: cyborgs haven't seen those yet since we've seen them, and
Speaker 1: hybrids oh, sounds like a weed dispenser.
Speaker 2: Everyone does at g light, No dro What do you
Speaker 2: so when you.
Speaker 1: Come home, like after screening and you're looking to relax,
Speaker 1: do you like to hit the hybrid or do you
Speaker 1: like to hit the synth?
Speaker 2: Are you a cyborg person? I got to like which
Speaker 2: one is the sleepiest? So I'm going for cybal because
Speaker 2: it's probably like mostly humans.
Speaker 1: Thill we open in space, the is sc SS Magino.
Speaker 1: The year is twenty one twenty. The crew is waking
Speaker 1: from cryo sleep, and it's all the cinematographical moves from
Speaker 1: Ridley Scott's masterpiece Alien. You're seeing the crew getting out
Speaker 1: of their pause. You're seeing them shake off the effects
Speaker 1: of cryo sleep. You're seeing them having their breakfast after
Speaker 1: the cryo sleep.
Speaker 2: And smoking a cigarette after the cryo sleep got to
Speaker 2: be the first thing that you do.
Speaker 1: Right this timeline, we notice that one of the crew members,
Speaker 1: who I think we all expect is probably the synthetic
Speaker 1: as mister is being very strange about he's creating. He's
Speaker 1: he's like reaching out towards one of the crew members
Speaker 1: who still in cryo and like kind of like gesturing
Speaker 1: towards the glass being very very strange. We get some
Speaker 1: very well executed exposition about the current corporate governance structure
Speaker 1: of Earth and its colonies. Wayland Utani, of which this
Speaker 1: ship is property of, owns North and South America, as
Speaker 1: well as Mars and Saturn. The other companies that dominate
Speaker 1: the world are Dynamic, which has the Moon Prodigy, which
Speaker 1: is the newest of the big companies that makes synthetics
Speaker 1: and does ai stuff, and the other the other ones
Speaker 1: we don't get.
Speaker 2: Are they as important?
Speaker 1: Probably not, because we haven't Probably not, or maybe eventually,
Speaker 1: but not right now. Mister Tang, the weirdo, shows up
Speaker 1: to the breakfast in his bathrobe, and he's like invading,
Speaker 1: particularly the women's space, like sitting right. You know, there's
Speaker 1: many seats, but he sits right next to this crew
Speaker 1: mout and makes her uncomfortable. She moves away. The captain
Speaker 1: shows up and is like, hey, we have issues with
Speaker 1: the ship. We're burning too much fuel all of this
Speaker 1: other stuff. You guys need to go work on this.
Speaker 1: And we also see in these kind of snippets of
Speaker 1: intercut scenes that the ship is carrying specimens of various
Speaker 1: alien races, including face huggers.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think with mister tens Well, like they there
Speaker 2: is this feeling that sure, he is probably a sin.
Speaker 2: He's got a weird vibe. And they keep saying like
Speaker 2: he was looking over the women and like, but I'm
Speaker 2: thinking probably because he's implanted some aliens. That's like, let's
Speaker 2: be real, like he's the babies inside the bellies.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's probably always.
Speaker 2: Doing that kind of snat.
Speaker 1: So we get these flashes of violence as we as
Speaker 1: we blatantly rip off Ridley's kind of dissolve cuts and
Speaker 1: pans across the crew, and we see.
Speaker 2: They want you to feel that you are really watching
Speaker 2: and alien movie from the seventies, which I will say
Speaker 2: the retrofuturist petrology, the production, You really do feel like
Speaker 2: this just instantly fits in in a way the other movies, haven't.
Speaker 1: I love that the tech is is feels concurrent with
Speaker 1: the tech that exists in the In the first Alien film,
Speaker 1: we go to Earth the Prodigy Research Island. It's a
Speaker 1: collection of islands somewhere tropical. There is a tremulent ill
Speaker 1: child who is asking mister Kersh about a scorpion. They
Speaker 1: have this little conversation.
Speaker 2: About say by Timothy Oliphant.
Speaker 1: Mister Timothy looking looking somewhat menacing but still very handsome,
Speaker 1: and she's concerned about this scorpion. The child, she's afraid
Speaker 1: of it, but then you know he's mister Kirsch is
Speaker 1: basically like, oh, don't you know, it's no reason to
Speaker 1: kill it, because if you kill it, then another one
Speaker 1: might bite you. Just leave it alone. Then this woman,
Speaker 1: Dame Sylvia, comes to take the child to the thing
Speaker 1: that she's about to undergo, and that thing is a
Speaker 1: consciousness transference into a android body. The child is again
Speaker 1: terminally ill. Now she sees her new body for the
Speaker 1: first time, laying on the table. I would describe the
Speaker 1: new body as like omily yes, literally young yeah. The
Speaker 1: girl says she's very pretty. Boy cavalier boy, genius, prodigies,
Speaker 1: young CEO and founder young, they say, the youngest trillionaire
Speaker 1: in history comes to tell the girl that, hey, you're
Speaker 1: going to be the Neil Armstrong of consciousness transference, and
Speaker 1: he tries to put her at ease in his own
Speaker 1: kind of weird way, and we get among the first
Speaker 1: of dozens of Peter Pan references per episode. The child
Speaker 1: wants to see her mom, but there's very succeeds. This
Speaker 1: is for why her mom can't be there, and she's
Speaker 1: clearly scared about what's happening, and we see her memories
Speaker 1: kind of from childhood flash as the process is underway,
Speaker 1: and then we're done. She opens her eyes as Wendy.
Speaker 1: Now her name Wendy another Peter Pan reference, and we
Speaker 1: flash forward some amount of time later and forget about it.
Speaker 1: She's like superhuman, post human. She can. She is sitting
Speaker 1: on the edge of a cliff watching the sunset and
Speaker 1: she jumps down to meet Dame Sylvia on the beach
Speaker 1: and it's a drop of like one hundred.
Speaker 2: Feet and she doesn't even do a superhero landing. She
Speaker 2: just lands straight on the feet, slight knee bent.
Speaker 1: Then yeah, a little flexing of the knees, but that's it,
Speaker 1: and she's like, hi, okay. Later Damon Kirsh interview Wendy,
Speaker 1: there is a lot of she's still grappling with how
Speaker 1: adult her body is. She's I don't know ten or something. Yeah, mentally,
Speaker 1: and we discover that, you know, there are some obstacles
Speaker 1: and that's part of what this process they're trying to
Speaker 1: smooth out. And some of those being that the hormones,
Speaker 1: you know, that regulate human emotions, human physiology. They don't
Speaker 1: exist anymore. So the Prodigy team has had to improvise
Speaker 1: to recreate those things digitally one would expect, and so
Speaker 1: they want to see how that's going. And that's what
Speaker 1: this interview process is about. Kersh, who is a synthetic,
Speaker 1: is completely averse to treating Wendy as a human. She's
Speaker 1: not that anymore. He wants to just treat her as
Speaker 1: this posthuman thing that she is. Dame takes the opposite view,
Speaker 1: seeing as how Wendy has the mind of a human
Speaker 1: child and she sees herself that way, why not treat
Speaker 1: her that way because that's how she sees herself. Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: boy Ceo is like like a total freak, always watching
Speaker 1: from the other arm.
Speaker 2: This guy's just always creepily watching through like a creepy
Speaker 2: watching kind of gloss. Absolutely, I will say I do
Speaker 2: think that something that is gonna feel extra creepy right
Speaker 2: now about this is like the island set up that
Speaker 2: they have where it's this rich guy who has an
Speaker 2: island where he's doing like experiments.
Speaker 1: Let's just say it. Let's just say it. The the
Speaker 1: FC Pearlols are like, they're they're very much there. They
Speaker 1: are and and and let's see because you know what,
Speaker 1: let's table this because it's really episode two where that
Speaker 1: stuff is like because I didn't pick up on it
Speaker 1: at this point. Yeah, but it's episode two where you're
Speaker 1: just like, oh, okay, we're kind of doing that.
Speaker 2: I think something that's interesting is just kind of the
Speaker 2: idea of eeriness and how to build like creepiness and airiness.
Speaker 2: And even though this is obviously and in some stories
Speaker 2: would be promoted as this positive thing that they're doing
Speaker 2: where they can traanspy these consciousnesses, this episode, in the
Speaker 2: second episode just plant it completely for creepiness and kind
Speaker 2: of airiness, which I think works really well. Well, you
Speaker 2: know what, I would slightly push back on that film
Speaker 2: in the sense that.
Speaker 1: I almost wanted more drawbacks for Wendy. It's only it's
Speaker 1: too perfect. It works so well, and we're gonna see that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: as this goes forward. Yes, clearly the process is unethical. Creepy,
Speaker 1: illegal doesn't count in this world anymore, in a world
Speaker 1: in which the globe has been carved up by various
Speaker 1: corporate states that have their own rules within their own territories, right,
Speaker 1: so that doesn't count, but it's clearly unethical. But I
Speaker 1: would argue that, like, if you undergo this process, hard
Speaker 1: to find the draw back right now.
Speaker 2: Likes positivity in the notion of like who doesn't want
Speaker 2: to be immortal? But I like that the show always
Speaker 2: poses it from this kind of creepy space.
Speaker 1: Absolutely the whole thing, Boy Genius is a creep damon.
Speaker 1: Kursh want to use Wendy as this the kind of
Speaker 1: kind face to shepherd this new crop of terminally ill
Speaker 1: kids who are coming to the island, the rich Man's Island,
Speaker 1: and so she can help shepherd them through this process
Speaker 1: in a kind of stress free as stress free as
Speaker 1: ways as possible. When he meets the kids and is like,
Speaker 1: I used to be sick, just like you, but now
Speaker 1: I'm super strong and I'm immortal. And we learn that
Speaker 1: it has to specifically be kids because they haven't figured
Speaker 1: out how to transfer adult minds. Adult minds are too
Speaker 1: rigid to undergo the process, to which I would say,
Speaker 1: how did how did we figure out? What is the
Speaker 1: process that by which we can guessing that.
Speaker 2: Some adults died baby ye yes, and that multiple adults
Speaker 2: died Probably whatas because it's Helam.
Speaker 1: So the kids undergo this process and one by one
Speaker 1: they emerge with their new immortal adult bodies. We get
Speaker 1: a scene of Boy Genius reading pages of Peter Pan
Speaker 1: as we get more quick cuts of various experiments that
Speaker 1: are going on in the island, a scene I'll just say,
Speaker 1: I didn't very much needed references For me, I don't
Speaker 1: need an actual reading, but I get it. He's a creep.
Speaker 2: He is a creep also at this point, like his
Speaker 2: obsession with Peter Pan, and obviously also the fact this
Speaker 2: was made by FX so they can use multiple clips
Speaker 2: of the Disney Pea Pan movie, which I think was
Speaker 2: a big part of this. But like, why at this point,
Speaker 2: why do you think that Boy Genius Boykavlia is so
Speaker 2: obsessed with Peta Pan? Like is he already an old
Speaker 2: man in that body? Is he dying? Like what is
Speaker 2: it about him that has made him so obsessed with
Speaker 2: this because he's still so young? So like, does he
Speaker 2: want to be the pet du Pan to these when
Speaker 2: to Wendy and her lost boys, Like, well, is his obsession?
Speaker 1: It's a good question, and I think he gives us
Speaker 1: in episode two a good kind of encapsulation of his
Speaker 1: core motivation. But I will say at this point that
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know anybody that's ever been a
Speaker 1: child prodigy, but like having been a musician, it's something
Speaker 1: you know, you see like the eleven year old who's
Speaker 1: like can play all of Chopin and like that's stuff
Speaker 1: you see, and it's kind of like that. And the
Speaker 1: visual arts, drawing and illustrating is a place where you
Speaker 1: see that kind of young genius. And whenever I would
Speaker 1: read or see like a clip or today's show thing
Speaker 1: about oh, the nine year old genius who can do this,
Speaker 1: I was I always felt like that's cool now, but
Speaker 1: what you know, what you once after you're sixteen or seventeen,
Speaker 1: nobody's you're just a good piano player. Yeah, nobody facts
Speaker 1: about it that way anymore. And so I wonder, I
Speaker 1: did wonder if part of it for boy genius is
Speaker 1: the fact that someday he's not gonna be a boy.
Speaker 2: He's just gonna regular of being a boy.
Speaker 1: He's just gonna be a regular old genius. And those
Speaker 1: are a diamond dozen. We go to the ship after nightmare,
Speaker 1: cuts of various creatures on the loose and arm red
Speaker 1: lights and just like collision alarms flashing something bad has
Speaker 1: occurred on the ship as it is wont to do
Speaker 1: in an alien feature, exactly, Morrow, who is a crew
Speaker 1: member and a cyborg, so a human with machine parts,
Speaker 1: is in the mother computer room and he's updating the
Speaker 1: ship's AI on what's gone on. Specimens are out, crew
Speaker 1: is dead. There's a crew member who's banging on the
Speaker 1: door trying to get in. He gets up and is like, oh,
Speaker 1: you want to come in. He like produces a welding
Speaker 1: device from his forearm.
Speaker 2: Yeah, from his welldic cyborg forum.
Speaker 1: Yeah, weld's you know, like like Buck from the from
Speaker 1: a Daredevil comic. Welds the door shut and then uh
Speaker 1: sits back at the terminal as this woman is cut
Speaker 1: to pieces. I felt alien.
Speaker 2: I feel like Morrow is like so extra because there's
Speaker 2: no way she was getting in that door. But he
Speaker 2: was like, bitch, I'm gonna weld you out. She was like,
Speaker 2: I hope you're gonna die just in case. And obviously
Speaker 2: we get our first real look at the really incredible
Speaker 2: like classics animal, which I think gives you a hint
Speaker 2: at how well the creatures are gonna be done in
Speaker 2: this show. Because this shit is scary as how and
Speaker 2: the last classic moment of like.
Speaker 1: The entire show looks.
Speaker 2: Looks like a million dollars by may Zing.
Speaker 1: Amazing. So the alien smashes through the door, it gets
Speaker 1: into the mother room. Uhmorrow again updates Mothers like we're
Speaker 1: crashing one hundred percent, we are going to crash into earth.
Speaker 1: And then he goes into like this little safe room
Speaker 1: under the floor of the computer room, and as the
Speaker 1: alien pounds on the door, the ship crashes. We go
Speaker 1: to Moisely.
Speaker 2: Morrow's mission, it feels like to me, was to make
Speaker 2: sure that the plane crashed on a and and he
Speaker 2: because he didn't let that woman in, he lied that
Speaker 2: they were dead, Like what are you?
Speaker 1: I'm eager to discover that because why crash a you
Speaker 1: tiny ship into prodigy Dodgy territory unless he was like
Speaker 1: a prodigy spot. I was going to say, maybe we're
Speaker 1: going to find that out. So we go to New Siam,
Speaker 1: which is a Prodigy city in this kind of tropical,
Speaker 1: seemingly Asian belt of Prodigy Territory. Wendy is watching videos
Speaker 1: of a medic her brother, who you know, was her
Speaker 1: brother when she was human. She is talking to all
Speaker 1: her stuffed animals about his history and who he is
Speaker 1: and how does she have access to all the feeds
Speaker 1: that pick him up?
Speaker 2: Very interesting stuff.
Speaker 1: We as soon discovered that her prodigy managers have let
Speaker 1: her do that as a way to kind of, I guess,
Speaker 1: ease her transition into her post.
Speaker 2: Humanness, and they also like don't It becomes very clear
Speaker 2: in this episode and episode two like they also don't
Speaker 2: really know. They have a you know, classic alien technology
Speaker 2: where it's like they kind of know what she can do,
Speaker 2: but they also have don't really know what she can
Speaker 2: do because they've never done. She is the first one
Speaker 2: as that we see that has you know, been successful.
Speaker 2: But yeah, she is just like she is doom scrolling
Speaker 2: on her brother.
Speaker 1: Like extremely hot.
Speaker 2: She just can't stop watching videos of him and is
Speaker 2: very clear that she is not supposed to be doing this.
Speaker 2: She's not supposed to have this emotional connection.
Speaker 1: Brother is a big baseball fans. He's listening to baseball
Speaker 1: games on his headphones and he goes home and he
Speaker 1: watches he's watching Ice Age, which is a movie that
Speaker 1: he used to watch with his as far as he's
Speaker 1: considered dead sister. Later, while he's you know, pumping iron
Speaker 1: with other colonial marines. Seemingly, the ship crashes like right
Speaker 1: above their heads in an amazing and crazy sequence. It
Speaker 1: just like flips the buildings that are around them and
Speaker 1: crashes into these huge, like residential mixed use towers across
Speaker 1: the city. So they are a search and rescue team
Speaker 1: clearly modeled on the colonial.
Speaker 2: Very colonial marines, like no question.
Speaker 1: And they go in. Yeah, because they don't just search
Speaker 1: and rescue team, you figure, Okay, the dogs, they've got
Speaker 1: the flashlights, they've got these guys have fully like assault rifles.
Speaker 2: Just like going. Guys like have a good time.
Speaker 1: So they go in and they hit the crash site
Speaker 1: and they start, you know, going through these buildings looking
Speaker 1: for a place that they can one they can rescue
Speaker 1: people out of the various floors of the damaged building
Speaker 1: and also go into the ship which is part way
Speaker 1: embedded into the buildings and see if there's anybody alive
Speaker 1: in there. Meanwhile, Marrow emerges from his safe room. Crewe
Speaker 1: is one hundred percent dead now. He tells mother, Hey
Speaker 1: send a message to Corporate HQ. We lost the ship
Speaker 1: and also appears that we've crashed in competitor territory who
Speaker 1: appear poised to steal our alien ip. Let's take a
Speaker 1: quick break, and we were right back to and we're
Speaker 1: back elsewhere. Wendy is still being tested alongside the new machines. She,
Speaker 1: we learn, can hear frequencies way beyond human hearing, and
Speaker 1: as they're testing her, she looks up at the screen,
Speaker 1: sees the news about the crash and is like, search
Speaker 1: and rescue. My brothers, search and rescue. He's got to
Speaker 1: be there. And in fact, we see her interface with
Speaker 1: the screen somehow and like flip through the different camera
Speaker 1: feeds and she sees him, and she's extremely troubled, as
Speaker 1: one would guess. Meanwhile, Boy Genius gets briefed on the
Speaker 1: crash by his butler, mass casualties, blah blah blah. But
Speaker 1: whyland Utani ship with potentially some top secret and very
Speaker 1: expensive whyland Utani ip on there? Boy Genius is like,
Speaker 1: that's great, So sad about everybody who's died, but we're
Speaker 1: keeping that fucking ship, no question of no.
Speaker 2: But it's not going back, baby, this is mine, not
Speaker 2: that is.
Speaker 1: Oh.
Speaker 2: Oh.
Speaker 1: Wendy comes in and is like, hey, I'm going on
Speaker 1: the crash site. I want to get my brother. I
Speaker 1: want to help him, and why not? Why can't I go?
Speaker 1: I'm can't be hurt, I'm immortal, I'm super strong.
Speaker 2: I'm fine.
Speaker 1: Like, let's see the Lost Boys. We can help. Boy
Speaker 1: Genius is like that sounds dumb, but like whatever, yeah,
Speaker 1: let's go. You know we're gonna be monitoring you the
Speaker 1: whole time. We later find out that Boy Genius can
Speaker 1: actually see through their eyes, like he has camera shots
Speaker 1: where he's like literally looking through their eye holes and
Speaker 1: he says, curse, you go with them and you make
Speaker 1: sure they don't get any trouble. So meanwhile, the Lost
Speaker 1: Boys are sitting around, they're they're getting to know each other,
Speaker 1: talking about like how strong their bodies are now and
Speaker 1: they're immortal. They're wondering like, okay do we die? Like
Speaker 1: what happens when our batteries run out?
Speaker 2: Also clearly like ten years old, Like this is such
Speaker 2: a good seats to show, like how acting.
Speaker 1: The acting, yeah, very very good. When he comes in
Speaker 1: and is like, hey guys, mount up. I know we've
Speaker 1: only been in these bodies for I don't know, a week,
Speaker 1: two weeks or something, but it's time to rescue people.
Speaker 1: So Meanwhile, the actual search and rescue team that's on site,
Speaker 1: they get into the lab of the ship. They see
Speaker 1: all the weird specimens in their glass cases. They're like,
Speaker 1: what the fuck are these? There's a body on the floor.
Speaker 1: This guy's been shot. Meanwhile, the gross some of the
Speaker 1: gross insects that were like in one of the pods
Speaker 1: and being fed earlier in an earlier scene, dropped from
Speaker 1: the ceiling onto a guy's shoulder, full spider kind of Oh,
Speaker 1: I call that the the I A puss? Oh?
Speaker 2: I like that, that's good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's an I A puss running around, which is yes,
Speaker 1: it's like an octopus with an eyeball head. And they
Speaker 1: it freaked out by all these gross things. They're like,
Speaker 1: let's okay, let's leave. Morrow just gets flat out gets
Speaker 1: to drop on them. Oh. He makes them drop their guns,
Speaker 1: he makes them cuff themselves to a pillar. He uh
Speaker 1: disarms them and is like, where's boy Cavalier. They're like,
Speaker 1: how the fuck? What do you think? We updates us
Speaker 1: where he's going, Like, how the fuck do we know?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 1: And Marrow's like fine, he goes off to update mother again.
Speaker 1: The rest of the search and rescue team gets the
Speaker 1: crier room. No survivors, but there's weird stuff. You know,
Speaker 1: there's a blood trail, there's evidence of what we know
Speaker 1: as a chest burst, but like they don't know what
Speaker 1: that is. There's a dead face hugger nearby. All of
Speaker 1: this stuff is very mysterious to them. Meanwhile, that gross
Speaker 1: alien insect thing, now that's like a it's like a
Speaker 1: slug beetle, Like.
Speaker 2: It's really creepy stuff.
Speaker 1: It just absolutely sucks all the blood that it can
Speaker 1: out of this guy as juggular and he dies, while
Speaker 1: the other guy who's like cuffed to his back is
Speaker 1: like freaking the fuck out, and you know, it crawls
Speaker 1: onto a new one, crawls onto the still living guy,
Speaker 1: and that guy does on the way in. Meanwhile, Kersh
Speaker 1: tells Wendy.
Speaker 2: This is Sacha, like synnis the conversation.
Speaker 1: I mean, because Kirsh is all the time. Kirsh is
Speaker 1: a synthetic. Here's my as a synthetic and a living
Speaker 1: sentient thing. Kersh is like wants to like rip the
Speaker 1: band aid off. He wants to be like.
Speaker 2: Listen, they're not actually you need to get it.
Speaker 1: Like, here's what animals. Human animals are like they used
Speaker 1: to live in fear because they were eaten by lions,
Speaker 1: tigers and bears. Oh my, but then you guys evolved
Speaker 1: in order to make tools, and then with those high
Speaker 1: tech tools, they made cool stuff. And you're one of
Speaker 1: the cool things. You're not one of them anymore. You're
Speaker 1: not gonna run around wondering if you're gonna die or
Speaker 1: get eaten by a thing. Okay, your brother will though,
Speaker 1: because he is still one of these like meat things,
Speaker 1: he's still a person. He's he'll die one day. And
Speaker 1: when he's like put off by this, she's like, no,
Speaker 1: he won't, just like, yeah, he'll get sick, You'll get injured,
Speaker 1: so he'll die, and she's like, no, I will save him.
Speaker 2: Oh really equally as like also creepy because you get
Speaker 2: to see that like ten year old kind of stubbornness
Speaker 2: coming out of like an inability to understand the difference
Speaker 2: between humans and sins and hybrids. So she's obviously a hybrid.
Speaker 2: So yeah, very interesting fast episode, and that is.
Speaker 1: The end of episode one. Let's take a quick break
Speaker 1: and go to episode two and we're back. Episode two.
Speaker 1: Joe Is aka Hermit code named Hermit is continue his
Speaker 1: search of the ship, but of course there's something else
Speaker 1: fully running around in there, stalking him, stalking everybody. We
Speaker 1: know it's a xenomorph, but they have no idea what
Speaker 1: that is. They find other dead bodies with signs of
Speaker 1: strange injuries, signs of surgery, signs of hemorrhaging, signs of gunfire.
Speaker 1: It's very creepy and weird.
Speaker 2: Also very clear that these people did not die in
Speaker 2: the crash, but it's very clear that they were killed
Speaker 2: before the crash. So that's just starting to pick up
Speaker 2: as a medic that maybe this is not a good
Speaker 2: place to be.
Speaker 1: Hermit and one of his compatriots, Rashidi chat. Apparently, according
Speaker 1: to the logs, there were one hundred and sixty two
Speaker 1: alien biologics on the ship and unknown how clearly some
Speaker 1: of them survived, and we don't know what's where they are,
Speaker 1: all of them. And also they don't know this, but
Speaker 1: there's a fully adult xenomorph now lurking around. We go
Speaker 1: to Research Island where Dame is watching the children's recruiting videos.
Speaker 1: Boy Genius comes in and he doesn't care about the
Speaker 1: kids at all. He's just like the technological breakthroughs. I
Speaker 1: can't wait for the technological breakthroughs. I am so excited
Speaker 1: about pushing the potential of the human race forward by
Speaker 1: merging Man a machine. And he says, it's not about
Speaker 1: the money, it's not about the ego. It's about he's
Speaker 1: so exhausted by being the smartest person seemingly in the
Speaker 1: world that he's hopeful that by merging Man a machine
Speaker 1: like this, they will unlock a different level of intellectual
Speaker 1: potential where he could finally have interesting conversations with people
Speaker 1: who are smarter than him. Now so outrageous, it's outrageous.
Speaker 1: And I'll say this, My read on this is he
Speaker 1: doesn't really want that.
Speaker 2: No, he even kind I kind of says it. He's
Speaker 2: even kind of like, She's like, so, is that what
Speaker 2: you're doing with the kids, And he's like maybe, he's what, huh,
Speaker 2: maybe that'll be what happens.
Speaker 1: I don't flee. I've never in my life seen or
Speaker 1: read about a competitive person who is elite at what
Speaker 1: they do, who wants to be Oh, I would actually
Speaker 1: like to be around people who are better than me. No,
Speaker 1: I still want to be the best. What he wants
Speaker 1: to happen is, I think, is to be challenged by
Speaker 1: much smarter beings so that he then can like raise
Speaker 1: his he the smartest, still be the smartest person, and
Speaker 1: still be the smartest.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think that's a really good way of looking
Speaker 2: at I also think I'm guessing because this is a
Speaker 2: now Horley situation. I find the boy, I find that
Speaker 2: boy genious conversation. I find the boigenious character is like
Speaker 2: so just outwardly obviously like sucks that I'm just very
Speaker 2: interested to find out, like what really drives him or
Speaker 2: what is really going on because I think there is
Speaker 2: more to it.
Speaker 1: And I say, yeah, I feel the same way, like
Speaker 1: there must be a subversion coming right, because he's so
Speaker 1: almost cartoonishly the vague.
Speaker 2: You know what. I think it's interesting though, is like
Speaker 2: again if we're we you know, we were talking about
Speaker 2: in episode one about the kind of obvious Epstein kind
Speaker 2: of the Lost Boys Island, the you know neverland obviously
Speaker 2: with like the Michael Jackson stuff. I'm like, also, there
Speaker 2: is obviously an Elon Musk element here, but it's more like,
Speaker 2: what if Elon Musk actually invented everything and was a kid,
Speaker 2: So it's kind of he was a genius. What if
Speaker 2: he was a genius. It's this interesting kind of hypothetical
Speaker 2: of the future that is Yeah, it's also like painfully
Speaker 2: painfully yeah, it feels prescient while you're watching it, even
Speaker 2: though it's new and is made. It feels like it's
Speaker 2: in conversation with the world we're living in in a
Speaker 2: way that just kept to me hooked, even though I've seen,
Speaker 2: you know, ten alien movies in my library.
Speaker 1: We'll be right back after a quick break, and we're back.
Speaker 1: I also think that here's the thing about being one
Speaker 1: of these rich freaks. I also think that boy genius
Speaker 1: wants to put himself in a and probably the best
Speaker 1: possibly manufactured and produced hybrid bodies.
Speaker 2: Of course that's really what it's about.
Speaker 1: But for a guy like this, it's like the It's
Speaker 1: like the billionaires who like have the bunker in New Zealand.
Speaker 1: It's all well and good, but who flies you to
Speaker 1: New Zealand?
Speaker 2: Who gets you that exactly?
Speaker 1: Who's to Who's to say that the pilot doesn't just
Speaker 1: like put two in your head, leave you on the
Speaker 1: tarmac and fly themselves.
Speaker 2: They want to fucking crash the plane, so you.
Speaker 1: So, I think that what going for is the loyalty
Speaker 1: of these hybrids so that they can do the process.
Speaker 2: To him put him that is so smart.
Speaker 1: Or or you know, because I think, like, listen, if
Speaker 1: it's going to be Dame or any of these other
Speaker 1: people who kind of like argue with you a little bit,
Speaker 1: do you trust them to even sleep?
Speaker 2: I don't try.
Speaker 1: You know you can, because you'll be like when the
Speaker 1: boss is asleep, aren't you going to look at each
Speaker 1: other and go, let's just fucking unplug it? Do it exactly?
Speaker 2: Like no joke, because this guy also like doesn't treat
Speaker 2: people well, which I think is the classic corporate thing. Also,
Speaker 2: I found this so I'm very interested generally about the
Speaker 2: notion of introducing these new like Prodigy and Dynamic and
Speaker 2: boy Cavallet, because it would have been very easy for
Speaker 2: them to just make this character, right Whalen, because we
Speaker 2: know through the movies that Ridley Scott returned to with
Speaker 2: Prometheus and Covenant, that Whalen's been obsessed with like extending
Speaker 2: the life of himself, of other people, of humans, of
Speaker 2: meeting God, of all this kind of stuff of like
Speaker 2: how can you live as long as possible? So I
Speaker 2: kind of love the Instead they were like, no, here's
Speaker 2: this child who is maybe already doing it better.
Speaker 1: He's scared of growing old, growing up, Yeah, because then
Speaker 1: he'll be like a normal smart guy. He wants to
Speaker 1: be like the most genius like man the young.
Speaker 2: Guy forever realized how the cuse of the gifted and
Speaker 2: Talented section. Yeah, it's like and guess what, when you
Speaker 2: go to he'll always be people.
Speaker 1: He'll like, always be on the thirty under thirty list
Speaker 1: forever for the next hundred years.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, that's his dream.
Speaker 1: So Kirsh and Wendy and the other hybrids are on
Speaker 1: the way. Wendy tells one of the lost bies Slightly that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because that all named doctor Peter Pan characters too.
Speaker 1: Yes, She's like, I can't wait to my brother is there.
Speaker 1: I want to see him. He's a regular human and
Speaker 1: I'm going to go there and I'm going to find him.
Speaker 1: Slightly talks a little bit about the fact that his
Speaker 1: dad passed away of an illness and how hard that
Speaker 1: was for him, and then kersh. Finally, when they arrive
Speaker 1: on the scene, is like, Okay, let's get ready to
Speaker 1: go in. In the ship, Joe has met up with
Speaker 1: you know, two of his other search and Rescue team members,
Speaker 1: Rashidi and Siberian. There's a big gap between like where
Speaker 1: the ship crashed and the infrastructure of the building, and
Speaker 1: so they're like, let's just like jump it. Siberian jumps it.
Speaker 1: Then it becomes Joe's turn to jump it. And as
Speaker 1: he's jumping about to jump, like the saliva drops on
Speaker 1: his shoulder and you all know what that means. He
Speaker 1: looks up. The Xenomorph is there looking at him. He
Speaker 1: goes to jump, but the Xenomorph, you know, goes for him,
Speaker 1: and they end up falling together into like the lower
Speaker 1: level halls of this crash site, and Joe's down there.
Speaker 1: He's trying to call for back up. He can't get
Speaker 1: back up. He tries to gain it, and he gets
Speaker 1: on an elevator and manages to escape for a moment,
Speaker 1: and he's bleeding from a gash and it's bad. We
Speaker 1: flash back to yesterday. Hermit goes to the Prodigy DMV
Speaker 1: to try and quit his job as a search and
Speaker 1: rescue guy, but they're like, no, you have seven months
Speaker 1: in your contract, which means very basically an indentured servant.
Speaker 2: Yeah, very alien coded. If you weren't aware that this
Speaker 2: is kind of the ecosystem that the Alien franchise exists
Speaker 2: in and is why the First Alien is so beloved
Speaker 2: as this kind of like unexpected kind of pro worker movie.
Speaker 2: Alien Romulus got back into that with the kids who
Speaker 2: were on mining contracts who couldn't escape. And I think
Speaker 2: it's really interesting to see here that even you know,
Speaker 2: these other corporations are also doing this. It's not just
Speaker 2: wailing you, Tani. This is how basically everyone exists. And honestly,
Speaker 2: you know, when he's like, I'm gonna leave to go
Speaker 2: to medical school, They're like, no or not. You've got
Speaker 2: seven months left on your contracts, right, And isn't that
Speaker 2: all of us just trying to afford to go to college?
Speaker 1: Like it's actually extremely bleak.
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's just a it's just like a faceless,
Speaker 2: non humanized robot, which I find really interesting because it's
Speaker 2: also introducing like a class system within robots. This is
Speaker 2: just kind of your face. This is just like a
Speaker 2: ball but like a camera looking at Yes.
Speaker 1: You don't even get to talk to the robot with
Speaker 1: the face. And meanwhile, Wendy, who is you know, watching
Speaker 1: her brother on cams back on Research Island, manages through
Speaker 1: her tablet to interface with the robot clerk, and she
Speaker 1: begins like.
Speaker 2: Saying lines from Ice Age Ice.
Speaker 1: Age to her brother, and he's like, what are you
Speaker 1: talking about. Meanwhile, you know, all the Boy Genius people,
Speaker 1: all the managers of Prodigy and Boy Genius himself are
Speaker 1: absolutely bricked up.
Speaker 2: Boi Genus is like, yeah, and I kind of love
Speaker 2: this too, but because they basically like how did she
Speaker 2: do this? And then they go, well, you know, they're
Speaker 2: like kind of like they're like, well, you know, the
Speaker 2: Internet kind of runs through her, but we never imagine
Speaker 2: that she would be able to kind of like run
Speaker 2: through the Internet. And I'm like, maybe you should have
Speaker 2: thought of that when before you made this robot that
Speaker 2: conceeemingly just like touch any screen and interact with the
Speaker 2: people on the other side of it. That seems like
Speaker 2: a massive amount of power.
Speaker 1: Back in the present, they arrive at the crash site
Speaker 1: and Wendy immediately begins like picking up some high frequency
Speaker 1: like interference that is messing with her sensors and it's
Speaker 1: kind of interfering with her hearing. Nobody else can pick
Speaker 1: it up. Boy Genius is of course watching it all
Speaker 1: from his office. They Kirsh goes to talk to the
Speaker 1: chief of the Search and rescue, the guy who's like
Speaker 1: running the whole thing, and it's like, what's going on.
Speaker 1: The guy's like, okay, well we're concerned about radiation. They're
Speaker 1: like we're not because we're not human.
Speaker 2: They're like, oh well.
Speaker 1: Meanwhile, Wendy just like walks up to their computer system
Speaker 1: and is like scrolling through their database and all their
Speaker 1: feeds and finds her brother and she just leaves. She
Speaker 1: doesn't even say she heads off to go find him.
Speaker 1: Kersh is like okay, fine, lost boys on me, let's
Speaker 1: go boy. Genius meanwhile, is just so jazzed about like
Speaker 1: everything happening around the ship and the until they're getting
Speaker 1: from the ship and Utani calls and Utani's like, hey,
Speaker 1: so obviously, like we fucked up, very expensive day for us,
Speaker 1: So sorry about the loss of x amount of.
Speaker 2: Definitely at least one hundred thousand people like this crash
Speaker 2: really absolutely.
Speaker 1: Because so sorry about that, but we do need the
Speaker 1: ship back and we'd love to send a team to
Speaker 1: go and just get some of our important ip back.
Speaker 1: And Genius is like, speaking of that, like anything we
Speaker 1: should know about this did crash on my territory and
Speaker 1: lots of people down here like should should I know
Speaker 1: about any weird stuff on there that could possibly pose
Speaker 1: a threat, And Utani is like, well, you know, I
Speaker 1: can't talk about.
Speaker 2: That proprietary baby prot Sorry.
Speaker 1: That's all whyland Utani the ip, which again is why
Speaker 1: we must send a team to get that. And boy
Speaker 1: Genius is like, no, I have your lawyer, call my
Speaker 1: lawyer and we'll work it out. Okay, that's why we
Speaker 1: have lawyers, and goodbye, And it's very clear that boy
Speaker 1: Genius is not going to give back anything at all.
Speaker 1: He wants everything on that chip. The Lost Boys get
Speaker 1: into the ship. Wendy senses, whether it's the interference or
Speaker 1: the alien that's running around, she senses something. She knows
Speaker 1: something's happening on this ship. Kersh tells all the you know,
Speaker 1: these are kids again, don't be afraid. We're gonna be fine.
Speaker 1: You're immortal, you're very strong. And then they come up
Speaker 1: across this weird like plantinus clear like straight out of Prometheus.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like really horrific kind of it's like a gland
Speaker 2: like full of something. It's just, you know, nothing good
Speaker 2: is coming out.
Speaker 1: It's making moist sounds. It's hanging from the ceiling they're studying,
Speaker 1: and they begin to study it. Kurseh is like be careful.
Speaker 1: He realized is that it's not of earth. It's an alien. Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: boys watching all of this and just absolutely salivating, you know,
Speaker 1: So they decide to try and capture this glandular alien.
Speaker 1: Kersh is like sense one team led by Curly to go, Hey,
Speaker 1: go find a lab where they have equipment where we
Speaker 1: can like scoop this thing off the fucking ceiling and
Speaker 1: we can capture it. They go there, they find more
Speaker 1: dead bodies and more disgusting aliens. They find a cat
Speaker 1: that's injured that suddenly disgorges this parasitical the spider octopus
Speaker 1: the iOpus rather and the iOpus attacks them, but they
Speaker 1: managed to capture it in like this metal tin.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and also I have to say, I really I
Speaker 2: love that. I think that something that this episode does.
Speaker 2: First episode establishes a lot of like Piapan references and
Speaker 2: this idea of the Lost Boys and stuff, which you know,
Speaker 2: your milech may vary, but what I think that they
Speaker 2: do in this episode that is so unbelievable with the
Speaker 2: Lost Boys is like every single one of those actors who,
Speaker 2: by the way, many of you, like there's Jasper from
Speaker 2: Six of Crows and you know, Shadow and Bone and stuff.
Speaker 2: These are people you recognize. The absolute belief that you
Speaker 2: will have that these are ten year olds is.
Speaker 1: Just so excuse.
Speaker 2: The acting is unbelievable, and the way they react to
Speaker 2: these scary things adds a whole different layer than we've
Speaker 2: seen before in an alien movie. So they were really
Speaker 2: starting to lock me in at that point. Especially Yeah,
Speaker 2: they're like, Okay.
Speaker 1: There's an openness of emotion on their faces on all
Speaker 1: the actors who play the Lost Boys, including Wendy Y
Speaker 1: faces they're just you buy you really, you asolutely buy it.
Speaker 1: You buy it. So Wendy and slightly find her brother's
Speaker 1: like vest and they see scratch marks all over the walls,
Speaker 1: so they go off in that direction. Hermit, meanwhile, is
Speaker 1: now in part of the residential tower and he runs
Speaker 1: into another Search and Rescue member. He's like, have you
Speaker 1: seen like any weird animals? Like I was like, what, Like,
Speaker 1: what are you talking about? You forget about that, Let's
Speaker 1: just like get everybody out of here. They knock on
Speaker 1: a door and they find like people having like this
Speaker 1: eighteenth century.
Speaker 2: This sh it was so creepy giving. It's very much
Speaker 2: exchanging ballad. It's giving. It's definitely giving, like high Rise,
Speaker 2: it's also giving, you know, all the worst things you
Speaker 2: imagine about rich people and what.
Speaker 1: It's a very pre French revolutionary kind of let them
Speaker 1: eat cake vibe in there and they're like, fuck you what,
Speaker 1: Oh a big ship crashed into our building. You know,
Speaker 1: we have boy genius call me. We go to the
Speaker 1: same golf club. Okay, so by and closes the door.
Speaker 1: You know, as the door closes, the alien comes up
Speaker 1: behind and the other guy immediately kills the other guy,
Speaker 1: and you know, while the killing is going on, the
Speaker 1: eighteenth century people are like, what's that sound outside? So
Speaker 1: they open the door to see what with the rockets
Speaker 1: is outside, and the alien immediately is like oh meat,
Speaker 1: goes in there and just cuts everybody absolutely to pieces.
Speaker 1: Hermit is you know, kind of not silly, but manages
Speaker 1: to push the bisected corpse that landed on top of
Speaker 1: him off of me. He picks up a gun and
Speaker 1: he goes into that room, to the eighteenth century party
Speaker 1: room to like, I guess kill the alien.
Speaker 2: Something that I love here is that one, this is
Speaker 2: giving you know, common in the group chat. I mean
Speaker 2: in the in the chat is talking to us about
Speaker 2: like kind of the mix of like the high tech
Speaker 2: and then the eighteenth century kind of aristocrats. Really cool.
Speaker 2: I just also want to say it's giving hell. Ray's
Speaker 2: a full bloodline where this is busy exact combos. But
Speaker 2: this also is a great moment if you are someone
Speaker 2: who's not one hundred percent sure how scary this show
Speaker 2: may be. The show is really scary, but Noah Hawley
Speaker 2: has multiple moments throughout this where he chooses not to
Speaker 2: show you stuff, and at first, when you are hearing
Speaker 2: them get killed, you are not seeing it. You are
Speaker 2: just seeing the blood. Later on you will pull out
Speaker 2: and get to see it. But there are multiple episode
Speaker 2: There are multiple moments in this where Harley decides, hey,
Speaker 2: you've kind of already seen that. And something that I
Speaker 2: think is really interesting about this episode is when the
Speaker 2: Lost Boys are going through the crash Chip, we are
Speaker 2: essentially getting in a retroactive sense, what we usually get
Speaker 2: from an alien movie, which is you meet the crew,
Speaker 2: then we see them all get killed. Here we don't
Speaker 2: see that first crew get killed. We go through and
Speaker 2: pick through kind of the wreckage, and I think he
Speaker 2: does so many different interesting makes so many different interesting
Speaker 2: choices like that that make it feel like you're seeing
Speaker 2: something you haven't seen before. And this is one of
Speaker 2: those moments where you really.
Speaker 1: Get that it's really cool. Well, Hermit gets into a
Speaker 1: fight with an alien and it basically takes him out easily,
Speaker 1: and it's about to minimouth him when Marrow shows up
Speaker 1: and zaps it with this big bug zapper so sick
Speaker 1: like a Ghostbusters type gun. And when it's down and
Speaker 1: it's totally down in a way we've.
Speaker 2: Never seen it looks it's like culled up in like
Speaker 2: a fetod.
Speaker 1: It's position down.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: He then takes like a spray gun and sprays it
Speaker 1: with this like glue that turns into like a sack,
Speaker 1: and then he starts dragging the sack.
Speaker 2: But he also does he also does shoot Hermit with
Speaker 2: that same Ghostbuster's gun, which I thought was really fine.
Speaker 2: He can say it's like yay, thank you, and he's
Speaker 2: like nope, no, like I get bugs apps too, like
Speaker 2: I've hopefully turned the.
Speaker 1: Volume down or like the zapp down. Back at the plant,
Speaker 1: Anus curshes, Liken, what the fuck am I looking at
Speaker 1: like this thing is so insane. He hears the other
Speaker 1: team yelling from the other room, yelling for him. He
Speaker 1: goes in there and Smee and Nibs are like, hey,
Speaker 1: we captured the Ioplus, this crazy Ioplus thing, and we
Speaker 1: have it in this bin. And curseh is like okay,
Speaker 1: and he goes over to there. He's like, oh, good
Speaker 1: to terminal. He interfaces with mother and basically gets a
Speaker 1: ton of information about like what is on this ship.
Speaker 1: Let's go to break and we'll be right back to that.
Speaker 1: And we're at So Marrow is dragging the aliens of
Speaker 1: the elevator when another search and rescue team arrives and
Speaker 1: they're like, stop right there, sir, where are you going
Speaker 1: with that bag or stuff? Drop that bug zapp or
Speaker 1: drop that bag. Hey he's a cyborg. Okay, don't make
Speaker 1: any funny moves, buddy. And he's trying. Marrow is trying
Speaker 1: to be like, listen, it can it senses your fear.
Speaker 1: Don't be afraid of me. Chill out because it can
Speaker 1: sense it. Like what are you talking about? Shut up?
Speaker 1: And meanwhile, like the bag is starting to ripple and
Speaker 1: tear and the thing is coming. He's like, okay, well
Speaker 1: I warned you, and then the alien bursts out kills
Speaker 1: all the people.
Speaker 2: Behind me again, kind of in this way that you
Speaker 2: don't necessarily see but you hear.
Speaker 1: So well done does the ripley in the alien like
Speaker 1: it's right behind me, like breath on my shoulder thing,
Speaker 1: and then it runs away to go kill other people.
Speaker 2: Okay, very important moment. I fail. But because Morrow is
Speaker 2: a cyborg, Morow is also at this point handcuffed, so
Speaker 2: he could he had no They do this great shot
Speaker 2: where his face just starts dripping with sweat the closer
Speaker 2: they get in, because he knows. And then the next
Speaker 2: scene I think inspires an interesting conversation following that up.
Speaker 1: Yes, because I I've been thinking about that as well.
Speaker 2: That's okay.
Speaker 1: So we go to the plant sphincter and it releases
Speaker 1: like a tentacle phallus thing like in Prometheus.
Speaker 2: It kind of splits into a plant.
Speaker 1: Right that wants to clearly face hug, but it doesn't
Speaker 1: because my guess is Curly is a machine.
Speaker 2: Yes, Curly is at least a hybrid. And I think
Speaker 2: the fact that the xenomorph also did not strike Morrow,
Speaker 2: who is a cyborg is leaving us with some interesting
Speaker 2: questions about this, like do the aliens and do the
Speaker 2: xenomorphs and do all the creatures you know that Michael
Speaker 2: created as we know and from Prometheus because he created them,
Speaker 2: Like do they have a version to getting like attacking
Speaker 2: us in or something that's not organic? Or is it
Speaker 2: because they need the organic nature to implant the egg
Speaker 2: I don't know. I think they want us to know
Speaker 2: that it is.
Speaker 1: I wonder if it's not because in a new environment,
Speaker 1: they're in reproduction mode now they need meat for the eggs,
Speaker 1: and so they're looking for egg stuff. Maybe, but it's
Speaker 1: like the alien was just like killing So I don't know,
Speaker 1: unclear right now. Meanwhile, Kersh on the Terminal locates a
Speaker 1: storage bay with eggs with alien eggs in it, and
Speaker 1: he's like, Smeek, go down there and take a team,
Speaker 1: go down there and secure that. I Meanwhile, you know,
Speaker 1: the ioplus, I guess.
Speaker 2: Will just like what you just hope.
Speaker 1: That it doesn't jump out of the bin it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Wendy has slightly come to the eighteenth century party, which
Speaker 1: they're like a bear must have done this because it's
Speaker 1: fucking crazy. Meanwhile, hermit, who is you know running around
Speaker 1: now in the back hallways of this weird residential tower,
Speaker 1: comes to like a museum where he finds Reggie Jackson's
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy seven World Series Game six home run ball,
Speaker 1: which he knows everything about because he and his dad
Speaker 1: are huge baseball fans. Now they are fans of a
Speaker 1: sport that's like three hundred years in the past now,
Speaker 1: and this is a game that's like three hundred years old.
Speaker 2: And his dad used to watch, like they used to
Speaker 2: watch three Buns together while they were drinking PiZZ when
Speaker 2: they would and he was like.
Speaker 1: His dad, by the way, in the flashback Ryan Murphy, Yeah,
Speaker 1: And when he when the TV presentation of what the
Speaker 1: historical significance of this ball turns off, Wendy is right
Speaker 1: behind him and big smile on her face, like again
Speaker 1: this incredible face acting, And of course he doesn't recognize
Speaker 1: her to know who she is, and she he wants
Speaker 1: to know, like, oh, who are you talking to? And
Speaker 1: he's like my dad and he's explaining, Oh, my dad
Speaker 1: loved baseball. I love baseball. There's this whole thing like
Speaker 1: when you come back then, like when you came through
Speaker 1: in the World Series. They called you mister October, and
Speaker 1: Reggie Jackson was mister October. And Hermit sees that these
Speaker 1: two people are covered in like blood and he's like,
Speaker 1: are you okay, Like, oh my god, He's like no,
Speaker 1: it's not our blood. And he's like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: you're synthetics. Wow, And they're like no, we don't like
Speaker 1: that word, but we don't, you know. And you can
Speaker 1: see them trying to struggle with how do we explain
Speaker 1: what we are because we're not synthetic?
Speaker 2: And then allowed to talk about it, allowed to talk.
Speaker 1: Meanwhile, Wendy's absolutely buzzing because here is her brother. She
Speaker 1: found him. Meanwhile, Kursh calls and is like, we're sending
Speaker 1: you to the loading bay with the eggs. Wendy go there,
Speaker 1: and Wendy's like, oh uh, Search and Rescue guy come
Speaker 1: with us because they probably be like hurt people down there.
Speaker 2: Many of them. They're just arms are chopped off every leading.
Speaker 1: Like gonna need you.
Speaker 2: Sydney Chandler, who plays Wendy, is unreal in this role,
Speaker 2: like going like this, this is emmy city.
Speaker 1: This is a good They make a really smart choice
Speaker 1: here because there is a moment where you know, Wendy
Speaker 1: has met her brother and she's treating him like her
Speaker 1: long lost brother, but he doesn't know what's going on,
Speaker 1: and she's asking him to come to this thing. And
Speaker 1: I think there's a reasonable version of this where Joe
Speaker 1: right now is thinking, like, is this woman hitting on me? Yeah?
Speaker 2: I think so too.
Speaker 1: Luckily, they resolve that right away very impressively expressively, because.
Speaker 2: They like usually to do a born sexy Yesterday trope
Speaker 2: and have like a weird There's been a lot of
Speaker 2: shows recently that have been, you know, getting critique for
Speaker 2: kind of like having weird, like sub incestuous, like implied
Speaker 2: plots and like ya romance and drama and TV and stuff.
Speaker 2: So I think that they do a good job here of.
Speaker 1: Just killing and smartly they immediately resolve this by having
Speaker 1: the kids Wendy and slightly basically spill the beans like, oh,
Speaker 1: we're kids. Hermon's like, what do you mean you're not?
Speaker 1: Your kids are used to be kids. He's like, well,
Speaker 1: we were dying kids, and then they put our brains
Speaker 1: into these machine bodies, and Hermit kind of immediately makes
Speaker 1: the connection with like, oh my sister was like terminally ill.
Speaker 1: That's interesting and so she immediately just leaps to the
Speaker 1: and is like Joe, it's me and Joe is like
Speaker 1: flipping out. She's like, I've been spying on you. And
Speaker 1: this is a lot to take in for Joe. She's like,
Speaker 1: I've been spying on you. That I didn't die, I'm
Speaker 1: still alive. And he's like, but there was a funeral
Speaker 1: and we learned that clearly everything that happened is a lie.
Speaker 1: And this is where it really gets into uncomfortable, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: Epstein Island territory because Wendy is like, well, Dad took
Speaker 1: me there and he told me that it has this
Speaker 1: has to be a secret and not to tell anybody.
Speaker 1: It had to be our secret that I was going
Speaker 1: to the Prodigy Research Island. And when this is unfolding,
Speaker 1: I was really like wow, okay, I know.
Speaker 2: I was like, this shit's like really brutal, like they
Speaker 2: do that, like he creeped out as possible. And honestly,
Speaker 2: I actually think it works really well because something that
Speaker 2: was kind of blowing my mind. I think it works
Speaker 2: throughout this first two episodes, especially when I rewatched them,
Speaker 2: was just like, there's this show has so much to
Speaker 2: say about, like the bodily autonomy and kind of the
Speaker 2: way that they feel like they can just do whatever
Speaker 2: with these adult bodies, and the way that these you know,
Speaker 2: for Wendy, it's like they essentially created her to then,
Speaker 2: you know, be the be the safe face of taking
Speaker 2: away these other kids bodily autonomy, which.
Speaker 1: Is very part.
Speaker 2: Exactly like so I think they do. They have something
Speaker 2: to say with it, which I think is really interesting.
Speaker 2: I'm excite see how it goes.
Speaker 1: So they arrived down at the loading bay with the
Speaker 1: eggs in it, and and Hermit is like, fully, he's
Speaker 1: like unable to grapple with this information. So finally he
Speaker 1: like is like, okay, Christmas morning many years ago, and
Speaker 1: this feels like a line from something clearly a line
Speaker 1: from something that I did not recognize. What did you
Speaker 1: say to me? And then she says the thing for
Speaker 1: ice age and he absolutely is like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: it's you. He can't and I can't believe it. They
Speaker 1: get in there and.
Speaker 2: It's eggs, eggs.
Speaker 1: You know. Back at the research island, boy Genius is
Speaker 1: boy genius. Epstein is like absolutely going nuts.
Speaker 2: He's just love nature has led to finishing. He's he
Speaker 2: could be happy yeah, he's so happy. He's like so,
Speaker 2: which is also so funny because I'm always like, why
Speaker 2: do these like they're so excited to have this new
Speaker 2: terrible thing on earth? And I'm like, guys, why, I
Speaker 2: guess because they hope to make money from it. But
Speaker 2: I'm just like, this is never gonna end.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, any biological controls quarantine, like don't have
Speaker 1: to like at least be careful.
Speaker 2: Aren't you? Aren't you in charge? But maybe this is
Speaker 2: going to be part of the show's commentary is like, well,
Speaker 2: a corporate state is not.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about that. Yeah, the people is, let's talk
Speaker 1: about it in the conversation because I thought about that
Speaker 1: as well. So they get to the eggs, and you know,
Speaker 1: it's the classic kind of like laser beam film over
Speaker 1: the top of the eggs which breaks when you walk
Speaker 1: close to them. Wendy can is hearing this interference. To me,
Speaker 1: it's unclear if it's the eggs or something else, but
Speaker 1: she's really hearing it, and she's like, do you guys
Speaker 1: hear that. Meanwhile, the eggs begin to, if not stir,
Speaker 1: rustle a little bit in that way that makes you
Speaker 1: feel like, oh face hurger is coming. Hermit meanwhile, not
Speaker 1: knowing anything about these eggs, gets into that face classic face.
Speaker 2: Hugga hugged just gonna be looking in an egg, gonna
Speaker 2: face something right off.
Speaker 1: But before that can happen, the xenomorph shows up and says,
Speaker 1: you know, get away from my eggs, you bitch.
Speaker 2: Also as well as like this fucking motherfucker hummt like this,
Speaker 2: I thought I killed this bitch, and the atheen Century
Speaker 2: room like I got to get him.
Speaker 1: This alien loves Hermit.
Speaker 2: He's feeling, he's feeling something.
Speaker 1: And it tackles Joe and they fall together again deeper
Speaker 1: down into the superstructure of the ship and when he's like,
Speaker 1: I'm going after him, and we cut there. Okay, let's
Speaker 1: talk about some of those I think that you know,
Speaker 1: one of the things that I found really you mentioned
Speaker 1: the corporate governance space and what that would mean for
Speaker 1: laws and for corporate risk, you know, because one of
Speaker 1: the things I was like, really, would would boy Genius
Speaker 1: send these like highly advanced but like basically one of
Speaker 1: a kind prototypes like into this crash site? And then
Speaker 1: I thought about it more and I'm like, well, that's
Speaker 1: why you have an entire like corporate city is who cares,
Speaker 1: No one's going to steal it. This is your island,
Speaker 1: like it can't go anywhere.
Speaker 2: To him, he's like, you know what, I have already
Speaker 2: made these ones, like I'll just make them again.
Speaker 1: And yeah. And I think the fact that this city
Speaker 1: is like separate from where he lives on the Research
Speaker 1: Island by like, I mean the flight there seemingly took
Speaker 1: several hours, yeah.
Speaker 2: Which is ter also called Nabalande Island, so.
Speaker 1: Like yeah, and so I think for him, of course
Speaker 1: you would want to put up a quarantine. But also
Speaker 1: I suppose he's thinking, well, let's see what happens a
Speaker 1: little bit exactly a little bit of a breakout. I
Speaker 1: live on Research Island. I'm fine. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I kind of like that. It reflects the real recklessness
Speaker 2: that we have seen from like real CEOs, where it's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: let's see what happens. It's not really going to impact me,
Speaker 2: Like what happens if I create a social media platform
Speaker 2: there's just nothing but disinformation. Well, I'll be okay in
Speaker 2: my bunker or whatever, you know. So I think that
Speaker 2: you're right. I think that's probably going to be one
Speaker 2: of the big through lines, especially because Noah Hawley is
Speaker 2: He's no like Slump, He's he's a serious person. He
Speaker 2: loves to put a thematic storyline into a genre program,
Speaker 2: as you will know if you watched the very controversially
Speaker 2: ended but I think incredibly powerful Legion television program. So
Speaker 2: I'm very interested in that. I love that we're already
Speaker 2: getting these kind of questions of corporate ownership over the body.
Speaker 2: And in a way, this is really just taking what
Speaker 2: Alien has already done with the notion of workers and
Speaker 2: worker protections and how in the first Alien movie they
Speaker 2: don't have a choice, they have to go on this
Speaker 2: mission because they are essentially owned. Now we are in
Speaker 2: a situation where Noah is saying, okay, well these kids
Speaker 2: are literally owned, like their body is company property. You
Speaker 2: put a great there's a great question that you popped
Speaker 2: in here that I want to ask you, like, how
Speaker 2: do you feel about the idea of like transferring your
Speaker 2: consciousness to it? Because let's be real, when Wendy, they
Speaker 2: do a good job of shit, Like Wendy's powers are sick,
Speaker 2: Like who wouldn't want to be able to jump, you know,
Speaker 2: the tour building. It's essentially superhero powers. But how do
Speaker 2: you feel about the ultimate question of like, when you
Speaker 2: transfer your consciousness into that body at this point is
Speaker 2: essentially company property rather than you know, dying in a
Speaker 2: body that is free. I think that's like a big question.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, listen, we haven't seen the drawback yet,
Speaker 1: but there clearly must be drawbacks. Among these drawbacks is
Speaker 1: the fact that in a in a real sense, Wendy
Speaker 1: died and this is like a conscious mission exactly because
Speaker 1: it's not like when you as a person like move
Speaker 1: into a new apartment and you go there and you've
Speaker 1: left your old apartment and now you're in this new apartment.
Speaker 1: They made a copy of her brain waves, she died,
Speaker 1: and they put the copy in something else. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean there's a lot of there's a lot of
Speaker 1: things to mull over. And clearly, I think if you
Speaker 1: just look at the scope of human ambition, there are
Speaker 1: people who want to do this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is like something that people are walking towards now.
Speaker 1: Yes, And I think what's interesting is the fact that
Speaker 1: by trying to escape death, you're essentially hastening it. I
Speaker 1: think that there's a lot of there's a lot of
Speaker 1: things to talk about here and the effects of a
Speaker 1: completely governed, autocratic compt space I think is that in
Speaker 1: which no private property exists, Like you don't even again,
Speaker 1: like as you said, you don't even own your own body.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Even the rich, even that rich guy who lives
Speaker 2: in his you know, high rise style eighty fifth floor apartment,
Speaker 2: even he to the point where, like he believes if
Speaker 2: something goes wrong, boy Genius will call him and let
Speaker 2: him know, even he doesn't have like full autonomy over
Speaker 2: his home, or his safety or his situation. Because in
Speaker 2: that moment, despite being rich and doing whatever weird creepy
Speaker 2: shit he wants to do, boy Genius is like, well,
Speaker 2: that's a sacrifice I'm willing to make. So essentially everyone
Speaker 2: is a sacrifice that he can make in this situation.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So I'm very intrigued to see where the show goes
Speaker 2: from here, and I'm especially it's been you know, it's
Speaker 2: kind of rare that we get two shows in a
Speaker 2: year where every single review is like nine out of ten,
Speaker 2: ten out of ten. And that was really and Or first,
Speaker 2: and now we're getting that with these reviews. We are
Speaker 2: just doing as we always do. We're going as we go.
Speaker 2: So these are our two episodes that we've seen, but
Speaker 2: Jason watt'sake, what would be the biggest surprise for you
Speaker 2: as we head into the surprise?
Speaker 1: I guess the thing that I'm most wondering is are
Speaker 1: we going to witness the downfall of the Prodigy Corporation?
Speaker 1: I feel like it just right? How much does the
Speaker 1: lure established by Alien and Aliens in which Prodigy does
Speaker 1: not exist? Right? Or like, certainly by aliens we never
Speaker 1: hear about it. You only hear about wheland U Tani,
Speaker 1: and there's like illusions to other corporations, but you don't
Speaker 1: really hear about it, and certainly you don't. There are
Speaker 1: not even hints that anything like a hybrid exists. So
Speaker 1: is this the downfall of that corporation? Is that what
Speaker 1: we are witnesses? Or is there going to be a
Speaker 1: way for the lure to expand around what was established
Speaker 1: by those first two films? That's my question? What about Yeah?
Speaker 2: No, I think that's I want to know how Prodigy
Speaker 2: goes so wrong and how Prodigy ends up in a
Speaker 2: situation where whaling Utani is the only kind of corporate
Speaker 2: overlord that we know of the planet by the time
Speaker 2: you know, we get to Alien. Also, I am really
Speaker 2: interested to see where Noah Howley takes this exploration of
Speaker 2: childhood and Peter Pan because you know, it's very heavy
Speaker 2: handed in the first episode. It works for me because
Speaker 2: I generally enjoy a show that can do an interesting
Speaker 2: version of a story about children. And I feel like,
Speaker 2: so far, especially with episode two where we get the
Speaker 2: adult actors really embodying that childishness, I think this is
Speaker 2: a very interesting take, but I want to know ten
Speaker 2: episodes in what that really means. I want to know
Speaker 2: the mystery box kind of reasoning for that. And I'm
Speaker 2: I'm also like, I have to say Boy Cavalier, like
Speaker 2: is such an easily haterable character, which is always fun
Speaker 2: to have, But I have to say, like what else,
Speaker 2: as you feel Samuel Blankin is like such a good actor.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I also don't believe in any way, shape
Speaker 2: or form that Noah Hawley ever just does a simple,
Speaker 2: like MS bad character. Like I want to know the
Speaker 2: truth about him. I mean, is Boy Cavalier a synth
Speaker 2: who was created by Waylan Utani? Like I don't know,
Speaker 2: you know, Like there's I'm just always interested to see
Speaker 2: where we're going to go, and I do think surprising
Speaker 2: synth and who is a surprising synth that could be
Speaker 2: a very big twist headed into the later show, simply
Speaker 2: because that's something that all alien movies always have, and
Speaker 2: I kind of think that we are going to be
Speaker 2: on the lookout for, like, you know, is it is
Speaker 2: this the new David? Is this the person who you
Speaker 2: know has that twist behind them? Who's really being controlled?
Speaker 2: The kind of notion of the freedom of Well, you've
Speaker 2: got choices of which corporate state you live in. Maybe
Speaker 2: there isn't really five, maybe there's three, maybe there's one,
Speaker 2: and this is the illusion of choice. I'm excited to
Speaker 2: see where the threads and seeds that are set out
Speaker 2: here kind of lead as we head in. And I'm
Speaker 2: also just like really excited to see more fucking xenomorphs,
Speaker 2: because like the aliens look so good in this show,
Speaker 2: Like they look money, money, money. This isn't better than
Speaker 2: like fifty percent of alien movies visually.
Speaker 1: Can I yeah, please this with something ominous? Yes, I
Speaker 1: see the human body like bodybag gets zipped up, but
Speaker 1: like once they're transferred and thought to be dead, they
Speaker 1: kind of don't exist anymore, and we don't know that
Speaker 1: the rest of them are dead. Hm hmm, you know,
Speaker 1: like they could be somewhere. This could also be a
Speaker 1: I mean, these kids are off the books anyway.
Speaker 2: Maybe the kids don't even say off.
Speaker 1: The books are like, how do we know that? Yeah,
Speaker 1: like they're not still alive somewhere.
Speaker 2: Oh so ominis and I love it. That's horrifying.
Speaker 1: Well, I can't wait to see where this goes. Yeah,
Speaker 1: really fun show Friday on Extra Vision. It's another episode
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