WEBVTT - Reunion Part 2 w/ Josh Martinez

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<v Speaker 1>What's up everyone. It's me Devin Simone and.

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<v Speaker 2>It is me Davon Rogers, and this is MTV's official

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<v Speaker 2>challenge podcast.

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<v Speaker 3>Devin, what are you gonna do without me?

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<v Speaker 4>What do you do?

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<v Speaker 5>I'm gonna miss you so much, but I'm excited to

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<v Speaker 5>watch you on All Stars five and uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>give my own personal commentary, even if it's to myself,

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<v Speaker 5>my husband, and to you. I'm gonna just be texting

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<v Speaker 5>you unsolicited. Davon, I saw that you did this, but

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<v Speaker 5>I'm so happy to putting me in time out. Yes,

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<v Speaker 5>so excited to watch our girl, so happy that she

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<v Speaker 5>is back, and I know many of you guys are too.

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<v Speaker 1>Day you're gonna miss me.

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<v Speaker 3>I am, I am, I am, I am, I am.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm always excited and so glad that they asked us

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<v Speaker 2>to do this podcast together. I've learned so much from you,

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<v Speaker 2>and I've said that publicly before and I will always

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<v Speaker 2>say it. You've taught me so much about this whole

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<v Speaker 2>podcast and thing and just hosting and talking, and so

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<v Speaker 2>I appreciate you and all your journalism that you've done

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<v Speaker 2>spilled over into my life.

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<v Speaker 1>You are a natural and I do love and adore

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<v Speaker 1>you and our friendship. I love our working relationship.

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<v Speaker 5>I love our friendship too, and we love you guys

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<v Speaker 5>for listening and listening to our shenanigans and chiming in

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<v Speaker 5>on your takes of things.

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<v Speaker 1>Speaking of takes, so Day and I.

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<v Speaker 5>Had homework which was to come with who we thought

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<v Speaker 5>we represented as actors and actresses. You guys have been

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<v Speaker 5>giving us such great takes all season longs if you

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<v Speaker 5>guys have agreed with our takes. If you guys haven't,

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<v Speaker 5>but we've appreciated the conversation. We love including you in it.

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<v Speaker 5>So Day, I'm gonna throw it over to you.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, who do you think you are?

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<v Speaker 5>Your career, your Challenge career, or just your TV career

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<v Speaker 5>I guess maybe even your competition career. How does that

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<v Speaker 5>compare to a famous actor?

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<v Speaker 3>All right?

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<v Speaker 2>So I was thinking about this and just just walk

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<v Speaker 2>with me, people, because when I say this name, you're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna be like, like, just walk with me people, Okay.

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<v Speaker 3>So I would say for the.

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<v Speaker 2>Challenge, I think I am the Taraji Pon of the

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<v Speaker 2>Challenge And this is why I think when Tarahi came out,

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<v Speaker 2>she came out swinging. In my very first season of

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<v Speaker 2>the Challenge. I came out swinging, and everything we have

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<v Speaker 2>seen her in since the first thing we saw her

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<v Speaker 2>in has just been better and better and better. And

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<v Speaker 2>I believe that every season that I've done since my

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<v Speaker 2>first season has.

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<v Speaker 3>Been better and better.

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<v Speaker 2>And who knows what's gonna happen at saying.

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<v Speaker 3>Nothing I can go home first. We don't know, but.

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<v Speaker 2>I just feel like I have continuously gotten better. And

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<v Speaker 2>then I also believe that when we see her name

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<v Speaker 2>on a cast, we know we are about to be

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<v Speaker 2>thoroughly entertained because my girl is going to show up

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<v Speaker 2>on screen and she is going to bring it.

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<v Speaker 3>And I believe that can be said about me as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, if you think that I'm somebody else, keep it

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<v Speaker 2>to yourself, and I'm going to.

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<v Speaker 1>Tell you right now who you are. Okay.

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<v Speaker 5>Now, it's gonna take a minute for it to click,

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<v Speaker 5>and I'm talking to you our challenge listeners as well.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, so take a second to click, but just

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<v Speaker 1>sit with it, and you will see.

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<v Speaker 5>That I think I'm frank. This person is talented. They

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<v Speaker 5>are funny, and they've shown.

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<v Speaker 1>They have range. Now, okay, because.

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<v Speaker 5>They came out doing the funny, but they've also done

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<v Speaker 5>some serious roles and have been nominated for awards on

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<v Speaker 5>that too, So they're they're good across the line, right,

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<v Speaker 5>they play well with others, they're beloved, they're a fan favorite.

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<v Speaker 5>I say, DeVaughn Is Melissa McCarthy, me, yes, I think

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<v Speaker 5>you're a Elizabe McCarthy. Melisa McCarthy, start right, right, But

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<v Speaker 5>she's done some serious roles too and done a great job.

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<v Speaker 5>And I'm saying that because you've killed it on Big

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<v Speaker 5>Brother and you've left a mark on the challe.

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<v Speaker 1>You've shown that you can get to see that, Melissa.

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<v Speaker 3>McCarthy, I could see that. You know now I am

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<v Speaker 3>officially a double All Star, so maybe you know that's crazy.

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<v Speaker 3>I never thought about that. I can see that. I

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<v Speaker 3>can see that.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, yeah, who are you? Okay?

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<v Speaker 5>So mine is between two and here's my first thought

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<v Speaker 5>was who came out and did to you know, call

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<v Speaker 5>him memorable? It sounds I feel weird saying that, but fine, whatever.

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<v Speaker 5>This is just basically the bag of poses, done memorable

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<v Speaker 5>moments and then like went on to something.

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<v Speaker 1>Else, like like just kind of left, you know what.

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<v Speaker 5>So this there's two, but there's one that I think

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<v Speaker 5>probably represents more than the other the people, the actresses

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<v Speaker 5>or actors. I think that my career might be similar

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<v Speaker 5>to would be Drew Barrymore or Eva Longoria, Eva Longoria.

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<v Speaker 1>Desperate Housewives killed it Down, iconic Gabby Salise, I mean

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<v Speaker 1>she will for ever be the icon.

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<v Speaker 5>But Eva now is in her directing bag, in her

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<v Speaker 5>producing bag, and her creating shows back like Eva is,

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<v Speaker 5>check her up on social media. That girl didn't disappear.

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<v Speaker 5>She's just doing other things and doing them very well.

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<v Speaker 5>And then Drew, of course is killing it with the

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<v Speaker 5>talk show, hosting game right, rubin Oprah's arm and other things,

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<v Speaker 5>and she's still beloved for the movie she's done. So

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<v Speaker 5>those are the two that I feel like, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>but Drew was a child star.

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<v Speaker 1>I wasn't really a child star.

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<v Speaker 3>I can see Drew.

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<v Speaker 2>I can see Drew because Drew definitely is an icon,

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<v Speaker 2>and I've always loved me some Drew Barrymore. And then

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<v Speaker 2>even like, and I'm gonna get a little personal, Devin

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<v Speaker 2>and I have had some sisterhood conversations. So even that

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<v Speaker 2>nurturing comforter that Drew is, I do that as well.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, So yeah, I think I'm gonna put my vote

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<v Speaker 3>in for Drew.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>What do y'all think? Yeah, what do y'all think? We

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<v Speaker 2>want to know what you guys think? That's our last

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<v Speaker 2>good fin we do.

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<v Speaker 1>And yeah, Dan and I confirmed we did win. We

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<v Speaker 1>should have gone to the award show. We had some

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<v Speaker 1>scheduled conflicts, so we couldn't make it.

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<v Speaker 5>Now in hindsight, so thank you to the Reality TV

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<v Speaker 5>Awards for We'd like to thank the Academy for letting

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<v Speaker 5>our podcast win. We were up against some heavy hitters

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<v Speaker 5>and quite frankly, I didn't think we would win. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>it's an honor. It's an honor to be a part

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<v Speaker 5>of this Challenge podcast family. And with Day and Anissa

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<v Speaker 5>and Tory, our producer Nicole, we couldn't do it without

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<v Speaker 5>Nicole dealing with our nonsense.

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<v Speaker 1>And you guys are listening so very much. Thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>We appreciate you. We appreciate the gold star.

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<v Speaker 5>And with that, Day, who are you giving your gold

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<v Speaker 5>star for both the reunion and the season two?

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<v Speaker 2>So I just have one gold star across the board.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not saying one person. I'm saying for the reunion

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<v Speaker 2>and for the season I'm going to give my gold

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<v Speaker 2>star to the cast of Challenge Season forty. Of The

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<v Speaker 2>Challenge Season forty, tony facts he is not allowed to

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<v Speaker 2>be on this entire situation of the gold Star. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>gonna put him in time out, and I need everybody

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<v Speaker 2>else to come.

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<v Speaker 3>Over here and take a class photo. That's for me.

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<v Speaker 3>How about you?

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<v Speaker 5>I were similar ish, I'm gonna give my gold star too.

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<v Speaker 4>Well.

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<v Speaker 5>I do want to give really quick props to Jordan

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<v Speaker 5>for handing his props to CTA and Bananas when he

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<v Speaker 5>was assigned the goat. I thought that was such a

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<v Speaker 5>beautiful moment. Johnny's face looked sick when that result came out,

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<v Speaker 5>and I don't necessarily blame him, but I appreciate Jordan

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<v Speaker 5>honoring that.

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<v Speaker 1>It's true.

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<v Speaker 5>Look, bananas, when you go in other circles, people don't

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<v Speaker 5>talk about.

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<v Speaker 1>The challenges that talking about banas. You just don't it.

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<v Speaker 1>Just I mean, like, and same with ct like.

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<v Speaker 5>So yeah, So I love that Jordan at least did

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<v Speaker 5>that because they I think they all are in the

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<v Speaker 5>conversation of the goats and I think they're amazing, So

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<v Speaker 5>props to him, But ultimately my gold star goes to

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<v Speaker 5>the women of the cast this Sea, because let's be

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<v Speaker 5>clear if we took out those women, this season would

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<v Speaker 5>have been born as hell. I mean, the women were

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<v Speaker 5>the ones who kept the feuds going when Devin got out,

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<v Speaker 5>Who kept it interesting, who fired big shots?

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<v Speaker 1>Who stood on business times ten.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm talking Avery and Tory and Michelle and Rachel being

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<v Speaker 5>the only one down, the ol one left on her

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<v Speaker 5>team and still going like these ladies did the business.

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<v Speaker 5>And I am so incredibly proud of them, proud to

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<v Speaker 5>be a part of that group and the hopefully the

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<v Speaker 5>inspiration that they show to people watching of just like

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<v Speaker 5>it's cool to be a strong female. And I will

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<v Speaker 5>just say on a personal note, growing up, I always

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<v Speaker 5>had muscles as a kid, and I was very self

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<v Speaker 5>conscious about them as a girl because I looked stronger

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<v Speaker 5>than the boys and I would get teased because of it.

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<v Speaker 5>So I appreciate and love the representation of being a beautiful,

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<v Speaker 5>strong woman and holding it down.

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<v Speaker 1>So cheers to you, ladies.

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<v Speaker 5>Who gets your time out of the season or of

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<v Speaker 5>the reunion.

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<v Speaker 2>Tony the season, the reunion, the next season and all

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<v Speaker 2>move forward like, because what's going on? Then you're gonna

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<v Speaker 2>show us your drawls with the hole in it. Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>thank you sir, did you catch that.

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<v Speaker 5>That dog even looked up to him like he was lying.

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<v Speaker 5>The dog was lying on the couch. And when they

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<v Speaker 5>were like when Maria was like, Tony, did you go home?

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<v Speaker 5>Because you just like wanted to be home for Eastern

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<v Speaker 5>he was like, no, I kid, you not go rewind

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<v Speaker 5>that the dog's head pops up and.

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<v Speaker 1>Looks at him like this fool. Yeah, even the.

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<v Speaker 3>Dogs told us he was coming home, right right.

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<v Speaker 1>You told me a new bag of kibble would be here. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I get you.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm so excited about this season and I'm so thankful

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<v Speaker 2>that we got an opportunity to be a part of it.

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<v Speaker 2>Both they're in Vietnam as well as here covering it

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<v Speaker 2>in the podcast.

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<v Speaker 3>But I am excited about this final episode.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, we finally got my baby on the podcast.

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<v Speaker 3>Now he's been running from us, but he is finally here.

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<v Speaker 3>Friends and family pay attention. So we have Josh Martinez

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<v Speaker 3>on the podcast after this.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my goodness, I'm so excited because our final we

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<v Speaker 2>say the best in my opinion, for last, we got

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<v Speaker 2>my baby.

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<v Speaker 3>My little brother is here. Let's give it up for.

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<v Speaker 2>Mister Josh Martinez has come to the podcast.

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<v Speaker 4>I love you so much.

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<v Speaker 3>Welcome.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to start it off because you had to

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<v Speaker 2>go toe to toe with a lot of your air

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<v Speaker 2>quotes people.

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<v Speaker 3>That's why we need.

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<v Speaker 5>Visuals, your free vacation alliance, your friends.

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<v Speaker 3>You had to go toe to toe with a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>your friends.

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<v Speaker 2>Like how And we can see in the reunion that

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<v Speaker 2>that really took a toll on you, Like we know

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<v Speaker 2>that you cried.

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<v Speaker 3>I cried too. We in tune what our feelings. It is,

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<v Speaker 3>what it is, But.

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<v Speaker 2>You can see that you were really broken by it.

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<v Speaker 2>How are you all now?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, damn, you're starting off strong.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, because I want you to tell you a story.

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<v Speaker 6>I think the reason why I was so emotional at

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<v Speaker 6>the reunion was because leading up to it, there still

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<v Speaker 6>wasn't a conversation that was had I hadn't talked to Casey,

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<v Speaker 6>I hadn't talked to Devin.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, I've been friends with these people for so long.

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<v Speaker 6>You know when it's not right, you know when it's

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<v Speaker 6>not like that, it's rocky and something doesn't feel right.

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<v Speaker 5>Had you reached out to them and they just weren't responsive,

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<v Speaker 5>or had you guys just been so busy you hadn't

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<v Speaker 5>really had time to connect between you know, airing and

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<v Speaker 5>before going on the reunion.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, I think Casey was just checked out with the season,

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<v Speaker 6>and then obviously there was things going on in our

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<v Speaker 6>personal lives where like it just didn't seem important.

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<v Speaker 4>So me and Casey hadn't talked about it. But then

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<v Speaker 4>I saw the episode air where she called me a

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<v Speaker 4>liability and I was like, oh shit, yeah, so all.

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<v Speaker 6>Of those feelings, you know, reliving the whole thing came

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<v Speaker 6>back up. But me and Devin yet we hadn't talked.

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<v Speaker 6>We tried, but it was always like it was awkward,

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<v Speaker 6>and I'm like, damn, our relationship did not feel the same.

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<v Speaker 4>It did not feel the same, if I'm being honest.

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<v Speaker 6>And those were the two relations those were there two

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<v Speaker 6>people within my friendships going in that I felt so

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<v Speaker 6>solid with. To then walk away from the season and

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<v Speaker 6>not be how we once were that was really hard.

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<v Speaker 1>So so where are you now? Do you feel better

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<v Speaker 1>with both? They're like we're okay, yeah, but not the same.

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<v Speaker 4>It's not the same.

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<v Speaker 5>No, it's yeah, do you think it'll be able to

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<v Speaker 5>become this?

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<v Speaker 4>Like?

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<v Speaker 5>Do you think it just needs more time? Or do

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<v Speaker 5>you guys think that there's do you think there's been

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<v Speaker 5>a fundamental shift, just that like, you know, you'll be cool,

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<v Speaker 5>but it'll.

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<v Speaker 1>Never be what it was.

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<v Speaker 6>This is and I said this, I did like a

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<v Speaker 6>little post about it because people always ask me. I

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<v Speaker 6>think the thing is, I'm always gonna have so much

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<v Speaker 6>love for them, like these people, I get it. Some

0:12:22.640 --> 0:12:25.000
<v Speaker 6>people are like, oh, the vacational line. The reality is

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<v Speaker 6>like we just all connected and bonded. I think it

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<v Speaker 6>was season thirty seven where we all kind of clicked.

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<v Speaker 6>But the reality is when we're not on the show,

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<v Speaker 6>the people that I reach out to the people that

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<v Speaker 6>understand what the fuck I'm going through because back at home,

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<v Speaker 6>my family and friends don't get what it is to

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<v Speaker 6>be right, what it is to do with the fans online.

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<v Speaker 6>So they're the ones that I call, And those are

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<v Speaker 6>the people, you know, they have been the people that

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<v Speaker 6>have given me strength to be like, nah, you're good,

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<v Speaker 6>come back, You're gonna be fine. Ignore that shit because

0:12:50.640 --> 0:12:53.280
<v Speaker 6>they're in the same shoes as me, so they get it.

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<v Speaker 4>So they've been such a big.

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<v Speaker 6>Support system for me that for me to throw that

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<v Speaker 6>friendship away when I was down bad mentally and people

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<v Speaker 6>didn't know, and they were the ones that I would

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<v Speaker 6>call that's stupid over a game. So do I feel

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<v Speaker 6>like right now if I saw them everything would be okay. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 6>there's so much love, there, so much history. But in reality,

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<v Speaker 6>if we were if we were thrown back into a game,

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<v Speaker 6>I don't know how.

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<v Speaker 4>That would shake up.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, And that that's the hard part that it's like,

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<v Speaker 6>I mean it would we would just have to see.

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<v Speaker 6>But I just don't know if we would play as closely.

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<v Speaker 6>I don't know, if not from my end, from their end.

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<v Speaker 6>I don't know if they could tell me that, but

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<v Speaker 6>I don't feel that. I don't feel like they would

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<v Speaker 6>be okay with me moving forward, just because of how

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<v Speaker 6>everything went downe with Rachel. I feel like Devin and

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<v Speaker 6>Casey feel really crossed by that. So I think that

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<v Speaker 6>that's where it's going to be telling, like whatever we

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<v Speaker 6>do end up playing together again, you know how we

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<v Speaker 6>where we stand.

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<v Speaker 4>Because right now it's good.

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<v Speaker 6>I don't bring that shit home, like I have love

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<v Speaker 6>for them doesn't feel the same, No, But I don't

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<v Speaker 6>have anything bad to say about them.

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<v Speaker 4>But yeah, the friendship definitely felt a little.

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<v Speaker 3>It's hard when you don't bring it home but other

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<v Speaker 3>people do. And it's like the game is over.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm trying to move on, but there's so that wall there,

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<v Speaker 2>so it's awkward. Do you think you have been evicted

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<v Speaker 2>Fromfication Alliance?

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<v Speaker 6>I don't think I've been evicted, but questioning my stance

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<v Speaker 6>And that's the frustrating part because everybody's like, ah, Josh

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<v Speaker 6>has all these friendships and all these times, and yeah

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<v Speaker 6>I do. I'm not denying it, but in all reality,

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<v Speaker 6>like I would have gone against anybody else if it

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<v Speaker 6>wasn't Rachel or Johnny like a vation alliance.

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<v Speaker 4>Those were my two closest friends.

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<v Speaker 6>So it's tough when they were at odds and I

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<v Speaker 6>was kind of forced to pick a side.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know, and then you know, Devin and Johnny

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<v Speaker 4>have their history. That's all my battle. I thought I

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<v Speaker 4>was doing right by staying out of it.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, yeah, that's fair. That puts you in a tough spot.

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<v Speaker 5>Do you feel like there's an unequal balance of power

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<v Speaker 5>in the Vacation Alliance because even on at the reunion,

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<v Speaker 5>we see the questions sort of directed to Devin, right,

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<v Speaker 5>and he's the one saying there'll be an internal review,

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<v Speaker 5>and then john A expressed she felt like the vacation alliance,

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<v Speaker 5>not that she was necessarily a part of it, but

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<v Speaker 5>that essentially they were trying to push her out or

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<v Speaker 5>that she got got backed.

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<v Speaker 1>In a corner.

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<v Speaker 5>And again, it felt sort of led by Devin, like

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<v Speaker 5>he's the king of it all. So do you feel like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>that there's an unfair, you know, sort of hierarchy in

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<v Speaker 5>it rather than it being an actual group equal, group dynamic.

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<v Speaker 4>What a question. Thank you damn.

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<v Speaker 6>That's a good one, because, to be honest with you,

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<v Speaker 6>before this season, I didn't feel that. That's where I

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<v Speaker 6>started getting turned off by them.

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<v Speaker 4>That definitely started to feel like that. It felt like

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<v Speaker 4>Devin was calling the shots. Yep, that was never our dynamic.

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<v Speaker 6>Me and Devin played well together on thirty seven because

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<v Speaker 6>he had his people, I had my people, and we

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<v Speaker 6>were allowed to play our own games within that protecting

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<v Speaker 6>each other. Right, it definitely felt like he was you know,

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<v Speaker 6>like when when ERA four we went a lot of dailies,

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<v Speaker 6>so they were expecting me to influence my team, But

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<v Speaker 6>I'm like, bro, you got Corey beating the shit out

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<v Speaker 6>of the field during the challenge. There's no way I'm

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<v Speaker 6>going to sway this man to save Era three now.

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<v Speaker 6>So even before it even came down to him being

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<v Speaker 6>thrown in by Rachel, there was already tension with us,

0:16:12.520 --> 0:16:14.520
<v Speaker 6>like building up because they thought that I was going

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<v Speaker 6>to sway my team and I'm like, bro, I can't

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<v Speaker 6>sway that, Like, yeah, there is no way he's not

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<v Speaker 6>gonna throw in when Corey was obviously taking shots at

0:16:21.760 --> 0:16:25.080
<v Speaker 6>us and cutting deals to screw Aero for So, yeah,

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<v Speaker 6>there was that tension. But yeah, I definitely felt like

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<v Speaker 6>this time around, Devon was trying to take control of

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<v Speaker 6>the whole squad. And obviously I think Toy was okay

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<v Speaker 6>with it because they were in the same team and

0:16:34.280 --> 0:16:36.960
<v Speaker 6>Tory and Devin are like this, But yeah, it definitely

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<v Speaker 6>did feel that way. And I think that that's just

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<v Speaker 6>a conversation that when we do play together, that we're

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<v Speaker 6>just gonna have toime because he knows that I don't

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<v Speaker 6>play well with that time.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't do well with.

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<v Speaker 1>Him dictatorship, Yeah, don't.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and correct me if I can't. I don't deal

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<v Speaker 4>with that shit.

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<v Speaker 3>Correct me if I'm wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>Because I'm trying to think back to when the Vacation

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<v Speaker 2>Alliance was first introduced.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't recall Devon being in it. Didn't he get

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<v Speaker 3>edited on later?

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<v Speaker 4>No, he was. This is the thing, I don't even

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<v Speaker 4>know when we became the Vacation Alliance, Like the fans

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<v Speaker 4>created that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, readit. You'll find the origins on Reddit.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, all these like tea accounts created that. So it's

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<v Speaker 6>like we never really named each other that.

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<v Speaker 7>But it really where we became a core, Where we

0:17:22.080 --> 0:17:24.920
<v Speaker 7>became like a unit, if you want to say, was

0:17:25.560 --> 0:17:28.879
<v Speaker 7>on thirty seven where Nani in Fessi and Casey were like,

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<v Speaker 7>all my there were my people, and then it was Torri,

0:17:31.359 --> 0:17:33.800
<v Speaker 7>Anissa and Devin and they were kind of on the

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<v Speaker 7>other side and we just linked up and that we

0:17:37.040 --> 0:17:40.639
<v Speaker 7>became kind of, you know, a crew because I had

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<v Speaker 7>traveled with them before that season.

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<v Speaker 6>We went to Mexico, we got invited on a influencer trip,

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<v Speaker 6>if you want to say, and then that's where that

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<v Speaker 6>all originated from.

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<v Speaker 4>And then after that we went on vacation together. But

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<v Speaker 4>that's where it started.

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<v Speaker 5>We kind of talked about that on the Challenge Aftermath.

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<v Speaker 5>It's actually still on YouTube for those listening who want

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<v Speaker 5>to see it. The whole season of Spieslies and Allies

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<v Speaker 5>after Math is there and you can see it sort

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<v Speaker 5>of developing, and then it definitely felt like an equal dynamic,

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<v Speaker 5>like a group as a whole versus because like now

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<v Speaker 5>the Vacation Alliance kind of feels like the same crap

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<v Speaker 5>they gave Johnny for, you know, Johnny's Angels, it's.

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<v Speaker 1>Kind of feeling that way, but like Devin's.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, people, at least in this particular season, What

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<v Speaker 5>are your thoughts about the controversial self nominating I feel

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<v Speaker 5>like this is a conversation that's been going on for

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<v Speaker 5>a very long time in the challenge and how, you.

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<v Speaker 1>Know, people do it.

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<v Speaker 5>Some people think it's super dumb, some people think it's

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<v Speaker 5>very smart, some people think it's honorable. You know, john

0:18:38.400 --> 0:18:40.720
<v Speaker 5>A felt like she was really forced to do it.

0:18:41.920 --> 0:18:44.960
<v Speaker 5>You said you would do it and then backed out,

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<v Speaker 5>which was a hilarious sort of montage.

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<v Speaker 1>You're like split screen.

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<v Speaker 5>To see why when you're like ct Yeah, what are

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<v Speaker 5>your thoughts about it now?

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<v Speaker 4>I think it's stupid.

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<v Speaker 6>I think it defeated and made for boring TV that

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<v Speaker 6>was set up to cause so much chaos, Like.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm calling you while I'm putting you in danger. Your

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<v Speaker 4>ass is going in Let's start a fucking fight and

0:19:07.600 --> 0:19:10.360
<v Speaker 4>I think Brad was the one that set that off, and.

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<v Speaker 6>I was like, no, no, no, no, no, listen, I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 6>say here. I'm gonna say it on the podcast. I'm

0:19:13.760 --> 0:19:16.280
<v Speaker 6>gonna announce it. I'll tweet it. Your boy doesn't want

0:19:16.280 --> 0:19:19.040
<v Speaker 6>to go down in the sand. My fucking social game

0:19:19.080 --> 0:19:21.800
<v Speaker 6>is impeccable. I will get I always get to the end.

0:19:22.000 --> 0:19:23.359
<v Speaker 6>I don't need to see the sand. I don't want

0:19:23.359 --> 0:19:25.520
<v Speaker 6>to see this. The purpose is not to see the sand.

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<v Speaker 6>You guys can have all your elimination wins and I

0:19:27.680 --> 0:19:29.560
<v Speaker 6>can avoid that shit. I'm gonna do it. So when

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<v Speaker 6>the game turned into I'm a nominated one week, you're

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<v Speaker 6>gonna nominate, I'm like, why would I do that when I'm.

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<v Speaker 4>Sitting prey Yeah, n and my girls are never gonna

0:19:37.800 --> 0:19:41.960
<v Speaker 4>say my name yea. So it just I I didn't

0:19:42.000 --> 0:19:43.080
<v Speaker 4>like it obviously.

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<v Speaker 5>So yeah, I think there's a time and a place.

0:19:45.440 --> 0:19:47.680
<v Speaker 5>I think, like, you know, there was the iconic moment.

0:19:47.680 --> 0:19:50.520
<v Speaker 5>It was funny seeing Jordan's say on that stage, like

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<v Speaker 5>you know, you don't self nominate to go into the sand,

0:19:53.840 --> 0:19:56.359
<v Speaker 5>you know, like you're just self nominating to be a target.

0:19:56.400 --> 0:19:58.320
<v Speaker 5>You don't self nominate to go into the sand, going

0:19:58.400 --> 0:20:00.520
<v Speaker 5>to sands dumb when he obviously had one of the

0:20:00.560 --> 0:20:04.280
<v Speaker 5>most memorable moments in Challenge history of self dominating going

0:20:04.359 --> 0:20:06.560
<v Speaker 5>into the sand and it not working out in his favor.

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<v Speaker 5>There are times that I think, because Day and I

0:20:08.840 --> 0:20:11.120
<v Speaker 5>have debated about this on the podcast, that I think

0:20:11.160 --> 0:20:14.320
<v Speaker 5>it works to create goodwill with your team, Like I

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<v Speaker 5>think they are strategic moments to use it. I don't

0:20:17.320 --> 0:20:19.359
<v Speaker 5>blame you, Josh for seeing that CT was talking and

0:20:19.480 --> 0:20:21.040
<v Speaker 5>be like, I don't want to go that makes sense.

0:20:21.400 --> 0:20:24.120
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, No, well, I'm glad two points. I'm glad that you.

0:20:24.160 --> 0:20:26.679
<v Speaker 6>Said that because what I realized as soon as we

0:20:26.760 --> 0:20:28.640
<v Speaker 6>left the sand and I got on the bus, oh

0:20:28.760 --> 0:20:29.600
<v Speaker 6>Air four wasn't.

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<v Speaker 4>Even looking my way.

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<v Speaker 6>Oh the awkwardness, the tension. So I was like, you

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<v Speaker 6>know what, I screwed them. The next one I'm going

0:20:35.080 --> 0:20:36.359
<v Speaker 6>to take it. And that's the next one I did

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<v Speaker 6>self nominate. Yeah, because we had such a good team dynamic.

0:20:40.359 --> 0:20:42.760
<v Speaker 6>We were competing so well together, we were getting along

0:20:42.800 --> 0:20:44.719
<v Speaker 6>so well that I didn't want to be well I

0:20:44.800 --> 0:20:46.199
<v Speaker 6>was the one to kind of like fuck it up,

0:20:46.240 --> 0:20:47.359
<v Speaker 6>and I was like, you know what, let me do

0:20:47.440 --> 0:20:49.239
<v Speaker 6>my right, Like, let me fix that.

0:20:49.320 --> 0:20:50.320
<v Speaker 4>And then after that we were good.

0:20:50.359 --> 0:20:53.040
<v Speaker 6>We were smooth sailing, but exactly what you said, like

0:20:53.080 --> 0:20:55.679
<v Speaker 6>for the team morale, the team dynamic. I realized that

0:20:55.680 --> 0:20:58.199
<v Speaker 6>that was a wrong move in kind of crossing them,

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<v Speaker 6>so I learned from it and I changed it.

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<v Speaker 4>Now.

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<v Speaker 6>The reason why I backed down in that moment was

0:21:02.920 --> 0:21:06.359
<v Speaker 6>I was all in. I was all in, and see

0:21:06.640 --> 0:21:09.040
<v Speaker 6>Rachel comes up to me walking into the sand and goes,

0:21:11.040 --> 0:21:12.360
<v Speaker 6>don't go in back out.

0:21:12.400 --> 0:21:14.600
<v Speaker 4>See, she just heard that you'reself nominating. So he's gonna

0:21:14.600 --> 0:21:19.080
<v Speaker 4>self nominate. But he went up to a Era one

0:21:19.119 --> 0:21:21.320
<v Speaker 4>and was like, I'm going in, Like I want to

0:21:21.320 --> 0:21:24.040
<v Speaker 4>go in. I'm gonna nominate myself. I'm good. So Rachel

0:21:24.080 --> 0:21:25.199
<v Speaker 4>instantly runs over to me.

0:21:25.440 --> 0:21:27.280
<v Speaker 6>I don't know if she's I mean, it's not really,

0:21:27.280 --> 0:21:29.760
<v Speaker 6>it's irrelevant, but she comes over to me and she

0:21:29.840 --> 0:21:31.200
<v Speaker 6>says that, and.

0:21:31.800 --> 0:21:35.640
<v Speaker 4>I'm like, oh fuck that. Yeah, you know, she kind

0:21:35.680 --> 0:21:38.320
<v Speaker 4>of looked out for me in that moment, and I'm

0:21:38.320 --> 0:21:40.880
<v Speaker 4>glad she did. Either way, I think we were gonna

0:21:40.920 --> 0:21:43.000
<v Speaker 4>be good. Well we ended up winning. Didn't we win

0:21:43.080 --> 0:21:45.639
<v Speaker 4>that daily? I think we won that daily? Confirm me.

0:21:45.680 --> 0:21:47.480
<v Speaker 6>She was like, yeah, he wants herself he heard the

0:21:47.560 --> 0:21:49.280
<v Speaker 6>names that were being thrown around, and he wanted a

0:21:49.280 --> 0:21:50.600
<v Speaker 6>self nominated So I was like, no, I'm good.

0:21:50.880 --> 0:21:52.159
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it sounds like ches to me.

0:21:52.520 --> 0:21:56.080
<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, chess to me. Yeah, no, I agree.

0:21:56.119 --> 0:21:58.920
<v Speaker 2>I thought about you when it came back to you,

0:21:59.720 --> 0:22:02.760
<v Speaker 2>you was like, oh, I'm done, goodbye.

0:22:03.119 --> 0:22:06.920
<v Speaker 4>No, I am good. I am so good off that. Yeah.

0:22:07.000 --> 0:22:09.720
<v Speaker 3>What are the on the Bananas Angels Alliance?

0:22:13.080 --> 0:22:15.679
<v Speaker 6>It's funny because I fucking love all of them and

0:22:15.720 --> 0:22:17.439
<v Speaker 6>I get along with them, and I was kind of

0:22:17.520 --> 0:22:21.280
<v Speaker 6>essentially protected by them. Also, I wasn't Indie Angels, but

0:22:21.480 --> 0:22:24.359
<v Speaker 6>I mean it was Rachel Jenny Avive like I rocked

0:22:24.359 --> 0:22:24.720
<v Speaker 6>with them.

0:22:25.119 --> 0:22:28.240
<v Speaker 4>But I don't know, I think it's funny. I think

0:22:28.280 --> 0:22:29.920
<v Speaker 4>that this is the thing.

0:22:29.960 --> 0:22:34.640
<v Speaker 6>They became really close towards the end once Michelle and

0:22:34.720 --> 0:22:37.120
<v Speaker 6>Tory had I love them, but they had a heart

0:22:37.160 --> 0:22:40.080
<v Speaker 6>on for Johnny, Like once Devin left, they had for Johnny.

0:22:40.440 --> 0:22:43.240
<v Speaker 6>So like where you know, joining tells toy you kind

0:22:43.240 --> 0:22:44.240
<v Speaker 6>of did that to yourself.

0:22:44.359 --> 0:22:44.960
<v Speaker 4>It's true.

0:22:46.440 --> 0:22:49.399
<v Speaker 6>I think Tory was the originator of the Angels. I

0:22:49.400 --> 0:22:52.240
<v Speaker 6>think that she created that group because you know, if

0:22:52.240 --> 0:22:56.720
<v Speaker 6>it wasn't for her gunning for for for Johnny so

0:22:56.840 --> 0:22:58.480
<v Speaker 6>hard I don't think that group would have been as

0:22:58.520 --> 0:23:01.920
<v Speaker 6>tight as they were. I think that once Devin left,

0:23:02.000 --> 0:23:04.040
<v Speaker 6>it became two sides and it didn't have to.

0:23:04.000 --> 0:23:04.480
<v Speaker 4>Be like that.

0:23:05.000 --> 0:23:07.640
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, so yeah, I do think Jordan had a point

0:23:07.680 --> 0:23:08.440
<v Speaker 6>in saying.

0:23:08.160 --> 0:23:08.680
<v Speaker 4>That at Tori.

0:23:09.320 --> 0:23:11.720
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, yeah, that's fair because she did decide to go

0:23:11.840 --> 0:23:14.480
<v Speaker 5>hard this season and Michelle, I mean, for Devin not

0:23:14.600 --> 0:23:16.439
<v Speaker 5>to have been made it that far into the season,

0:23:16.880 --> 0:23:21.760
<v Speaker 5>he sure was a presence, you know, in the outcome,

0:23:22.480 --> 0:23:25.359
<v Speaker 5>which is crazy. Something else that was a presence was

0:23:25.440 --> 0:23:27.600
<v Speaker 5>Laurel's purse on the stage at the re union, and

0:23:27.640 --> 0:23:30.800
<v Speaker 5>I haven't figured out why, because it was for the church.

0:23:31.040 --> 0:23:32.720
<v Speaker 5>I get it, But girl, just bring out the book.

0:23:32.800 --> 0:23:34.760
<v Speaker 5>You don't need the purse sitting on this play. Just

0:23:34.800 --> 0:23:38.360
<v Speaker 5>bring out the book. Put the pocket book backstage where

0:23:38.359 --> 0:23:40.960
<v Speaker 5>it belongs with your coat and gloves and everything else.

0:23:41.040 --> 0:23:43.320
<v Speaker 1>I don't we don't need to see it again.

0:23:44.000 --> 0:23:46.000
<v Speaker 3>And the book, my girl said, I'm going to be

0:23:46.040 --> 0:23:47.080
<v Speaker 3>a mean today.

0:23:46.880 --> 0:23:49.360
<v Speaker 1>Not going down in history as best.

0:23:49.400 --> 0:23:51.960
<v Speaker 5>But it just the literally I'm not you know what,

0:23:52.040 --> 0:23:54.080
<v Speaker 5>because I do I like Laurel very much so that

0:23:54.119 --> 0:23:55.880
<v Speaker 5>pot if look, if they had done the same thing.

0:23:55.920 --> 0:23:58.040
<v Speaker 5>To be clear, I'd also I would have texted her

0:23:58.119 --> 0:23:59.800
<v Speaker 5>in this moment, and I'd also be reading.

0:23:59.640 --> 0:24:03.359
<v Speaker 1>Dam your pocket book backstage with your granny, what are

0:24:03.359 --> 0:24:03.720
<v Speaker 1>you doing?

0:24:04.119 --> 0:24:07.840
<v Speaker 5>But by Hayler found out, we're not doing it right.

0:24:07.840 --> 0:24:09.920
<v Speaker 1>It was a whole I mean, and it didn't even

0:24:10.000 --> 0:24:12.040
<v Speaker 1>match the out and then she had the long strap.

0:24:12.119 --> 0:24:16.760
<v Speaker 5>Okay, anyway, what how long did she read the book for?

0:24:16.880 --> 0:24:19.159
<v Speaker 1>It didn't yet tell us about the book? Please?

0:24:19.560 --> 0:24:22.959
<v Speaker 6>The book keep coming out randomly. I think car would talk,

0:24:23.000 --> 0:24:24.520
<v Speaker 6>the book would come out.

0:24:24.720 --> 0:24:26.400
<v Speaker 1>Like was she trying to pretend she was just reading

0:24:26.400 --> 0:24:27.280
<v Speaker 1>because she was bored?

0:24:27.840 --> 0:24:28.359
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I don't know.

0:24:28.359 --> 0:24:31.919
<v Speaker 1>I think it was okay, Yeah, the book thing was interesting.

0:24:32.520 --> 0:24:36.840
<v Speaker 5>What was the funniest moment to you at the reunion?

0:24:37.480 --> 0:24:43.680
<v Speaker 4>Oh? The funniest moment. Oh shit, Nea Mayah. He had

0:24:43.720 --> 0:24:46.720
<v Speaker 4>the worst hangover of his life. Obviously, we're in Amsterdam,

0:24:46.800 --> 0:24:50.520
<v Speaker 4>so the night before we partied, Nea Maya was running

0:24:50.560 --> 0:24:53.760
<v Speaker 4>off the stage every five minutes, yacking in a bucket

0:24:53.760 --> 0:24:55.800
<v Speaker 4>on the side of the stage. And then we heard it.

0:24:55.960 --> 0:24:56.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we heard it.

0:24:56.960 --> 0:24:59.359
<v Speaker 4>It was so bad. I felt for the dude. And

0:24:59.400 --> 0:25:01.119
<v Speaker 4>then we just went out that night and did it

0:25:01.160 --> 0:25:01.879
<v Speaker 4>all over again.

0:25:02.840 --> 0:25:07.560
<v Speaker 5>No, no, y'all later, right, I mean, you would do

0:25:07.600 --> 0:25:09.400
<v Speaker 5>that day, even if you were feeling good, good plan.

0:25:09.440 --> 0:25:13.560
<v Speaker 5>We would have to convince you to come out regardless. Okay, okay, okay,

0:25:13.720 --> 0:25:14.760
<v Speaker 5>we know you.

0:25:14.760 --> 0:25:15.640
<v Speaker 3>You know Josh.

0:25:15.680 --> 0:25:18.320
<v Speaker 1>Now, thank you Josh, Thank you Josh, we know you.

0:25:18.400 --> 0:25:18.560
<v Speaker 4>Jay.

0:25:18.600 --> 0:25:20.120
<v Speaker 3>I have my back.

0:25:20.200 --> 0:25:21.199
<v Speaker 4>Got to drag her.

0:25:21.280 --> 0:25:24.560
<v Speaker 2>I saw and that we would do take us back

0:25:24.600 --> 0:25:26.520
<v Speaker 2>to previous episodes so I could drag him just a

0:25:26.560 --> 0:25:26.959
<v Speaker 2>little bit.

0:25:27.920 --> 0:25:31.240
<v Speaker 5>I don't want to have my size Josh all season.

0:25:32.640 --> 0:25:32.960
<v Speaker 4>Listen.

0:25:33.040 --> 0:25:36.400
<v Speaker 6>The fans always tell me they're like bro Dave Von

0:25:36.760 --> 0:25:38.080
<v Speaker 6>rides for you so hard.

0:25:38.520 --> 0:25:38.760
<v Speaker 4>Listen.

0:25:38.840 --> 0:25:40.960
<v Speaker 6>Day knows the love that I have for her even

0:25:41.040 --> 0:25:44.119
<v Speaker 6>before we even met, you know, but I was a

0:25:44.119 --> 0:25:46.840
<v Speaker 6>fan first and then we became friends. But I just

0:25:46.880 --> 0:25:49.199
<v Speaker 6>want to say this on the podcast day, thank you.

0:25:49.280 --> 0:25:52.000
<v Speaker 6>I love you with my whole heart, picking up and

0:25:52.040 --> 0:25:53.480
<v Speaker 6>being in my corner, but I love you.

0:25:53.840 --> 0:25:56.119
<v Speaker 1>Okay, she's sticking up for you against me. I'm not

0:25:56.160 --> 0:25:57.639
<v Speaker 1>going at you that hard, Josh.

0:25:57.680 --> 0:26:02.560
<v Speaker 5>But time to time, all right, time time, Josh, I

0:26:02.600 --> 0:26:05.680
<v Speaker 5>do hold you to a higher standard and time time

0:26:06.359 --> 0:26:06.800
<v Speaker 5>it's fair.

0:26:06.840 --> 0:26:10.600
<v Speaker 4>I don't do myself any help, so I know it's you.

0:26:10.760 --> 0:26:13.040
<v Speaker 5>And remember the advice we gave you back in Vietnam

0:26:13.119 --> 0:26:15.359
<v Speaker 5>and Day and I were aligned in that where we said,

0:26:15.560 --> 0:26:18.160
<v Speaker 5>we see you as a selfless person, okay, and we

0:26:18.240 --> 0:26:20.120
<v Speaker 5>want you to do more for you.

0:26:20.119 --> 0:26:22.320
<v Speaker 6>Guys came into my room and we're like, listen, don't

0:26:22.359 --> 0:26:24.720
<v Speaker 6>play the Vacation Alliances team game.

0:26:24.880 --> 0:26:28.280
<v Speaker 4>Play your own game. You know, you know you corner

0:26:28.320 --> 0:26:29.960
<v Speaker 4>and I get that. And you did it, and we

0:26:29.960 --> 0:26:30.840
<v Speaker 4>were proud of you.

0:26:31.640 --> 0:26:32.399
<v Speaker 1>We are proud of you.

0:26:32.520 --> 0:26:33.639
<v Speaker 3>We were definitely proud of you.

0:26:34.000 --> 0:26:37.199
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, listened, yes, yeah, And now you see it was

0:26:37.280 --> 0:26:39.720
<v Speaker 5>justified though, right because look, even if you guys become

0:26:39.720 --> 0:26:42.359
<v Speaker 5>and hopefully that friendship is restored, because like you said,

0:26:42.400 --> 0:26:45.359
<v Speaker 5>it's a special bond. I think anytime you just do

0:26:45.480 --> 0:26:48.720
<v Speaker 5>a challenge together, it creates this special bond that few

0:26:48.760 --> 0:26:53.480
<v Speaker 5>people can understand the depths of what one goes through.

0:26:54.040 --> 0:26:58.320
<v Speaker 5>But in as Jordan put it, in the name of winning, right,

0:26:58.440 --> 0:27:02.280
<v Speaker 5>in the name of the game. It is an individual game,

0:27:02.440 --> 0:27:07.480
<v Speaker 5>and no one who's ever won was making decisions solely

0:27:07.560 --> 0:27:11.840
<v Speaker 5>off of being selfless. They were all making decisions being

0:27:11.920 --> 0:27:16.239
<v Speaker 5>selfish at some point because you have to. And I

0:27:16.280 --> 0:27:19.639
<v Speaker 5>know that's not who you are as a person, but uh,

0:27:20.160 --> 0:27:24.040
<v Speaker 5>you know, in the game, hopefully it's something that you

0:27:24.480 --> 0:27:28.280
<v Speaker 5>can get a little more, just be more like Davon basically.

0:27:27.880 --> 0:27:31.720
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's tough. Listen, it's tough for me. My heart.

0:27:32.400 --> 0:27:34.399
<v Speaker 4>I wish, you know, I wish. I get so much

0:27:34.440 --> 0:27:35.240
<v Speaker 4>shit for my emotions.

0:27:35.240 --> 0:27:36.560
<v Speaker 6>I get so much shit for the way I play,

0:27:36.640 --> 0:27:39.640
<v Speaker 6>But I truly play with my heart and I've grown

0:27:39.680 --> 0:27:41.920
<v Speaker 6>to like, really love some of these people like family,

0:27:41.920 --> 0:27:43.439
<v Speaker 6>and dude, I spend a lot of when you do

0:27:43.480 --> 0:27:46.240
<v Speaker 6>these two times a year or every every few months,

0:27:46.280 --> 0:27:48.280
<v Speaker 6>like it's I spend more time with them than I

0:27:48.280 --> 0:27:49.320
<v Speaker 6>do with some of my cousins.

0:27:49.359 --> 0:27:51.560
<v Speaker 4>So the bond is real and it's strong.

0:27:52.800 --> 0:27:55.560
<v Speaker 6>But yeah, I think I do you do just play

0:27:55.600 --> 0:27:57.280
<v Speaker 6>a little bit more for me, and that's a big,

0:27:57.400 --> 0:27:59.760
<v Speaker 6>big thing that I took away.

0:27:59.560 --> 0:28:00.000
<v Speaker 4>From this year.

0:28:00.440 --> 0:28:02.920
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I'm intrigued to see that shift because I think

0:28:03.320 --> 0:28:06.159
<v Speaker 5>you are indeed a powerhouse like so I am so

0:28:07.480 --> 0:28:10.440
<v Speaker 5>interested to see how like that starts to play out

0:28:10.480 --> 0:28:13.320
<v Speaker 5>and rooting for you in that way. I think it'll

0:28:13.320 --> 0:28:15.120
<v Speaker 5>be a lot of fun to see and people should

0:28:15.160 --> 0:28:18.560
<v Speaker 5>be worried. In the conversation of the goat, who did

0:28:18.600 --> 0:28:23.679
<v Speaker 5>you vote for for male and female? Who did you

0:28:23.800 --> 0:28:25.199
<v Speaker 5>say you think the goat?

0:28:25.440 --> 0:28:30.479
<v Speaker 6>I voted for Rachel, and I voted for Jordan. Okay,

0:28:32.200 --> 0:28:35.320
<v Speaker 6>Rachel just the season that she had, Like.

0:28:35.920 --> 0:28:43.120
<v Speaker 5>But the goat is all time, not.

0:28:42.440 --> 0:28:44.120
<v Speaker 4>For the woman's side.

0:28:44.360 --> 0:28:47.480
<v Speaker 6>For me, it was between car and Rachel, Okay, Like

0:28:47.560 --> 0:28:49.760
<v Speaker 6>I think that those two every time they've made it

0:28:49.760 --> 0:28:52.560
<v Speaker 6>to a final, they've dominated. And I saw the season

0:28:52.560 --> 0:28:54.440
<v Speaker 6>that Rachel had and I was like, she dominated the

0:28:54.480 --> 0:28:56.560
<v Speaker 6>whole season. You know, she not only had one of

0:28:56.640 --> 0:28:59.840
<v Speaker 6>the best social games, she dominated in the challenges and

0:29:00.120 --> 0:29:04.000
<v Speaker 6>the arena. So and also just like from the start

0:29:04.000 --> 0:29:06.080
<v Speaker 6>of it, she's the epitome of the challenge to me,

0:29:06.520 --> 0:29:11.160
<v Speaker 6>like you started this shit and then you're in your forties.

0:29:10.760 --> 0:29:15.560
<v Speaker 4>Three kids in your later yeah, ude, twenty years later

0:29:15.640 --> 0:29:19.960
<v Speaker 4>fucking killing it. Yep. So obviously big fan of her

0:29:20.080 --> 0:29:23.080
<v Speaker 4>and and and I love her to death, but she

0:29:23.080 --> 0:29:25.840
<v Speaker 4>she I just watching the season that she had and

0:29:25.880 --> 0:29:28.360
<v Speaker 4>being there and witnessing it, like even watching it on

0:29:28.440 --> 0:29:30.880
<v Speaker 4>TV doesn't do it justice. She for me, she's a

0:29:30.920 --> 0:29:34.040
<v Speaker 4>female girl. Now. It was hard for the guys between

0:29:34.120 --> 0:29:38.640
<v Speaker 4>Jordan and Johnny, like Johnny delivers in all levels, like

0:29:38.920 --> 0:29:41.320
<v Speaker 4>Nady has not only won seven times that you don't

0:29:41.320 --> 0:29:44.600
<v Speaker 4>do that by luck or by right. You know you.

0:29:44.920 --> 0:29:49.800
<v Speaker 6>Obviously, winning seven times is fucking crazy, and he always

0:29:49.800 --> 0:29:52.080
<v Speaker 6>performs when he's in the final. But I think on

0:29:52.160 --> 0:29:53.640
<v Speaker 6>an entertainment level, the.

0:29:53.640 --> 0:29:56.720
<v Speaker 4>Guy, yep, when I tell you, there was days where

0:29:56.720 --> 0:29:58.480
<v Speaker 4>I was like, dude, I just need to I need

0:29:58.520 --> 0:29:59.040
<v Speaker 4>to turn off.

0:29:59.080 --> 0:30:00.560
<v Speaker 6>I need to like turn off the switch. I need

0:30:00.560 --> 0:30:02.160
<v Speaker 6>a sleep for twenty four hours. I need to change.

0:30:02.320 --> 0:30:05.240
<v Speaker 6>Like no, like you know, go call that person out,

0:30:05.320 --> 0:30:08.920
<v Speaker 6>go do this. We're making he just delivered. Yeah, and

0:30:09.000 --> 0:30:11.120
<v Speaker 6>he's like a little producer in the field, like he's

0:30:11.160 --> 0:30:14.520
<v Speaker 6>a little bit Yeah. I'm like even witnessing him the

0:30:14.560 --> 0:30:17.800
<v Speaker 6>way that he like would push Devon, but Devin's button

0:30:17.880 --> 0:30:19.760
<v Speaker 6>go at Tory and he knew he wasn't doing it

0:30:19.800 --> 0:30:21.440
<v Speaker 6>with an ill intent, but he's like, you know what,

0:30:21.480 --> 0:30:23.640
<v Speaker 6>I'm bored. I'm gonna stir shit up. I'm like, this

0:30:23.800 --> 0:30:25.160
<v Speaker 6>fucker is just good TV.

0:30:25.840 --> 0:30:27.320
<v Speaker 4>So when you put put.

0:30:27.120 --> 0:30:29.360
<v Speaker 6>That into perspective, you're like, the reason the show is

0:30:29.360 --> 0:30:32.000
<v Speaker 6>so successful was because Johnny puts his all into.

0:30:31.800 --> 0:30:37.120
<v Speaker 4>It, Yeah, which is all so Yeah, he's definitely definitely

0:30:37.360 --> 0:30:38.120
<v Speaker 4>one of the goats.

0:30:38.160 --> 0:30:41.040
<v Speaker 6>But I mean Jordan just on a physical side, it's

0:30:41.040 --> 0:30:42.280
<v Speaker 6>like nobody could touch him.

0:30:42.320 --> 0:30:44.600
<v Speaker 4>I think he beats every.

0:30:44.280 --> 0:30:47.040
<v Speaker 6>Single one of He beats West, he beats TT, he

0:30:47.080 --> 0:30:48.760
<v Speaker 6>beats Johnny, he beats every single one of them in

0:30:48.760 --> 0:30:49.160
<v Speaker 6>the final.

0:30:49.600 --> 0:30:50.680
<v Speaker 4>So like, who do you think.

0:30:50.560 --> 0:30:55.240
<v Speaker 5>Is the most overrated male challenger? Don't worry, we won't

0:30:55.240 --> 0:30:57.320
<v Speaker 5>tell anyone. It's just us day.

0:30:57.360 --> 0:30:59.720
<v Speaker 1>I'm coming to you. I'm coming to you next.

0:31:00.720 --> 0:31:02.840
<v Speaker 4>Maybe that was a going to get me in trouble.

0:31:03.280 --> 0:31:05.320
<v Speaker 4>It's just us, I think Wes.

0:31:05.760 --> 0:31:07.320
<v Speaker 1>I was thinking the same thing, Josh.

0:31:07.880 --> 0:31:10.080
<v Speaker 5>I was thinking the same I was just having this

0:31:10.080 --> 0:31:11.640
<v Speaker 5>conversation with my husband yesterday.

0:31:11.800 --> 0:31:12.680
<v Speaker 1>I was thinking the same thing.

0:31:13.200 --> 0:31:16.360
<v Speaker 4>For two reasons. I think he's great.

0:31:17.640 --> 0:31:20.200
<v Speaker 6>We're working on our I wouldn't say friendship, but we're

0:31:20.240 --> 0:31:23.520
<v Speaker 6>working on being civil if you want to say. But

0:31:25.080 --> 0:31:28.760
<v Speaker 6>I think he's great, but he's either has dominated and

0:31:28.800 --> 0:31:30.240
<v Speaker 6>made it all the way to kind of floated to

0:31:30.280 --> 0:31:34.000
<v Speaker 6>a final wind or besides that, like first season that

0:31:34.040 --> 0:31:35.960
<v Speaker 6>he had that he won every single elimination to the end,

0:31:36.400 --> 0:31:38.000
<v Speaker 6>which I didn't watch that season, but I know that

0:31:38.040 --> 0:31:39.560
<v Speaker 6>there was a season where he was a rookie and

0:31:39.560 --> 0:31:42.080
<v Speaker 6>he was just dominating. But I would say now it's

0:31:42.080 --> 0:31:43.800
<v Speaker 6>like he either makes it to the end and wins,

0:31:44.400 --> 0:31:47.280
<v Speaker 6>or he goes out the way he did on USA two,

0:31:47.680 --> 0:31:51.400
<v Speaker 6>and I'm like, oh, like you would see CT in

0:31:51.480 --> 0:31:54.320
<v Speaker 6>the sand, and like CT's a threat like in anything,

0:31:54.360 --> 0:31:56.880
<v Speaker 6>a puzzle, a math problem, physical anything, like people don't

0:31:56.880 --> 0:31:59.040
<v Speaker 6>want to see Cet down in the sand like West,

0:31:59.080 --> 0:32:01.600
<v Speaker 6>You're like the physical I could take him, like if

0:32:01.600 --> 0:32:03.360
<v Speaker 6>it's a headbanger, like I could go up against him

0:32:03.360 --> 0:32:04.400
<v Speaker 6>in a hall br I could take him in a

0:32:04.440 --> 0:32:04.920
<v Speaker 6>poll rustling.

0:32:04.960 --> 0:32:07.040
<v Speaker 1>I mean, his head was the bell was rung with

0:32:07.080 --> 0:32:07.960
<v Speaker 1>his head by.

0:32:08.240 --> 0:32:09.880
<v Speaker 4>I just I just see.

0:32:11.000 --> 0:32:13.840
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I've witnessed like the way that Chris kind of

0:32:13.840 --> 0:32:16.479
<v Speaker 6>did him on USA too, Like I've witnessed him go

0:32:16.560 --> 0:32:18.440
<v Speaker 6>out in ways and I'm like, damn, oh no.

0:32:18.600 --> 0:32:20.240
<v Speaker 5>To be clear, he was one of the first eliminated

0:32:20.280 --> 0:32:23.480
<v Speaker 5>on Battle of the Seasons and Easy used his head

0:32:23.480 --> 0:32:24.920
<v Speaker 5>to ring the bell on Halbroth.

0:32:25.000 --> 0:32:26.560
<v Speaker 1>So it was it was you know.

0:32:26.680 --> 0:32:27.720
<v Speaker 4>But that's that's a thing.

0:32:27.760 --> 0:32:30.720
<v Speaker 6>It's either he's he wins the whole thing or he

0:32:30.760 --> 0:32:33.080
<v Speaker 6>goes out really bad. So that's the only I'm not

0:32:33.120 --> 0:32:35.000
<v Speaker 6>saying that he's not one of the goats. He's definitely

0:32:35.040 --> 0:32:37.040
<v Speaker 6>on the road whatever the fuck it is, or.

0:32:38.960 --> 0:32:41.280
<v Speaker 4>There we go. I can't even say the.

0:32:42.960 --> 0:32:47.120
<v Speaker 6>Rush definitely up there, but he's out of all of them,

0:32:47.200 --> 0:32:49.160
<v Speaker 6>I would say that he's the least threat.

0:32:49.880 --> 0:32:52.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, day, what are your thoughts?

0:32:52.680 --> 0:32:54.280
<v Speaker 3>I definitely agree. And I know the fans are gonna

0:32:54.280 --> 0:32:56.160
<v Speaker 3>be like you because you don't like him. Has nothing

0:32:56.160 --> 0:32:57.160
<v Speaker 3>to do with that. I've been delivered.

0:32:57.280 --> 0:33:02.320
<v Speaker 2>God bless him, God bless him. I would say that.

0:33:02.440 --> 0:33:05.360
<v Speaker 2>And and one thing's for sure. Even after our whatever

0:33:05.400 --> 0:33:09.040
<v Speaker 2>it was, whatever, I still was on this podcast and

0:33:09.080 --> 0:33:10.800
<v Speaker 2>I said, I'm going to give credit what credit is due.

0:33:10.840 --> 0:33:15.959
<v Speaker 2>I feel like Wes has mastered the social aspect of it,

0:33:16.000 --> 0:33:18.520
<v Speaker 2>the talking and the planting and all of the things

0:33:18.520 --> 0:33:20.800
<v Speaker 2>to keep the attention off of him because he knows

0:33:20.840 --> 0:33:23.360
<v Speaker 2>if he goes into the sand, it could potentially be

0:33:23.440 --> 0:33:24.080
<v Speaker 2>really bad.

0:33:25.360 --> 0:33:26.880
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and so I agree.

0:33:26.680 --> 0:33:27.360
<v Speaker 1>With what you said.

0:33:27.760 --> 0:33:30.560
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, whereas I feel like other ones are confident in

0:33:30.560 --> 0:33:32.640
<v Speaker 6>the sand, Like Johnny's one of the most confident people

0:33:32.640 --> 0:33:34.600
<v Speaker 6>in the sand. I don't know how many times he's lost.

0:33:34.800 --> 0:33:36.640
<v Speaker 6>The guy goes down there, he sees the game, He's like, oh,

0:33:36.680 --> 0:33:39.000
<v Speaker 6>I got this, and you see that. So I've played

0:33:39.000 --> 0:33:40.840
<v Speaker 6>with these people in real times. I know what it

0:33:40.880 --> 0:33:42.720
<v Speaker 6>goes into a daily and too a challenge to a

0:33:42.760 --> 0:33:45.320
<v Speaker 6>limb so like, he's really fucking good in the eliminations

0:33:45.320 --> 0:33:47.520
<v Speaker 6>because I know they're gonna go He's really good at eliminations.

0:33:47.520 --> 0:33:48.960
<v Speaker 6>But I've seen him go out in ways and I'm

0:33:49.000 --> 0:33:50.240
<v Speaker 6>just like, what.

0:33:50.040 --> 0:33:50.600
<v Speaker 3>Was that about?

0:33:50.920 --> 0:33:53.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, like you mentioned with Bear, what was that about?

0:33:54.040 --> 0:33:56.840
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, it's it's definitely one of those situations. And

0:33:56.880 --> 0:33:59.040
<v Speaker 2>then like he's great at dailies and we'll see that,

0:33:59.280 --> 0:34:02.680
<v Speaker 2>so you know, he'll he'll do his thing. But I

0:34:02.760 --> 0:34:05.760
<v Speaker 2>definitely believe, like you said, of the lineup of the

0:34:05.760 --> 0:34:09.080
<v Speaker 2>people that we consider goats, he's like at the bottom

0:34:09.120 --> 0:34:10.840
<v Speaker 2>of that list of that lineup.

0:34:11.239 --> 0:34:11.440
<v Speaker 4>You know.

0:34:11.800 --> 0:34:13.919
<v Speaker 5>I love how scared you guys are and how nice

0:34:13.960 --> 0:34:17.040
<v Speaker 5>you're being. Let's just keep it all the way. Let's

0:34:17.040 --> 0:34:19.880
<v Speaker 5>just keep it all the way plenty times, keep it

0:34:20.040 --> 0:34:23.319
<v Speaker 5>all the way and be here, Yes you may.

0:34:23.719 --> 0:34:26.000
<v Speaker 6>Can I say something before we leave the West topic.

0:34:26.040 --> 0:34:28.480
<v Speaker 6>I want to say we he's been taking shots my

0:34:28.560 --> 0:34:30.520
<v Speaker 6>way on social media. I took a shot at him.

0:34:30.640 --> 0:34:33.359
<v Speaker 6>Davon came into play and we jumped on a call

0:34:33.480 --> 0:34:35.319
<v Speaker 6>and we decided not to take any more shots at

0:34:35.360 --> 0:34:35.680
<v Speaker 6>each other.

0:34:35.800 --> 0:34:37.720
<v Speaker 4>So this is not a shot at West.

0:34:38.120 --> 0:34:42.200
<v Speaker 5>It's no, it's just this conversation It's a conversation that

0:34:42.400 --> 0:34:46.000
<v Speaker 5>I started, and I was thinking about this the other

0:34:46.080 --> 0:34:47.600
<v Speaker 5>day and I was watching one of the new shows

0:34:47.640 --> 0:34:51.400
<v Speaker 5>he's on, and I was thinking about it, and I

0:34:51.440 --> 0:34:53.799
<v Speaker 5>don't even know if I'd say Wes's master the social game.

0:34:53.840 --> 0:34:55.600
<v Speaker 5>And look, I have nothing but love for my fellow

0:34:55.680 --> 0:34:58.360
<v Speaker 5>Kansas Citian, but Wes his mouth gets him in so

0:34:58.560 --> 0:35:00.960
<v Speaker 5>much trouble. I feel like he comes in, he's an

0:35:00.960 --> 0:35:05.400
<v Speaker 5>excellent character, and he comes in with such an like

0:35:05.760 --> 0:35:07.160
<v Speaker 5>energy that's very entertaining.

0:35:07.200 --> 0:35:09.120
<v Speaker 1>He like Banana's nosed good TV.

0:35:09.440 --> 0:35:12.440
<v Speaker 5>Like Wess one hundred percent is no wallflower and has

0:35:12.440 --> 0:35:15.920
<v Speaker 5>a big personality. But the stats just aren't statting if

0:35:15.960 --> 0:35:20.120
<v Speaker 5>we're talking about greatest of all time. Like Bro, yes,

0:35:20.200 --> 0:35:21.879
<v Speaker 5>you won All Stars three and twenty twenty two, which

0:35:21.920 --> 0:35:23.400
<v Speaker 5>is great, but prior to that, it was almost a

0:35:23.520 --> 0:35:25.880
<v Speaker 5>decade since your last win, and I know you dip

0:35:25.960 --> 0:35:30.759
<v Speaker 5>in and out, but like, yeah, Brah, I don't think

0:35:30.800 --> 0:35:33.640
<v Speaker 5>that that goes into I think if he comes back.

0:35:33.480 --> 0:35:35.920
<v Speaker 3>He has to switch it up because everyone's learned his playbook.

0:35:36.080 --> 0:35:37.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he uses the.

0:35:37.520 --> 0:35:40.560
<v Speaker 6>Same That's exactly what it is there. I think that

0:35:40.600 --> 0:35:42.719
<v Speaker 6>the other ones have learned how to adapt to the

0:35:42.760 --> 0:35:45.360
<v Speaker 6>times into the absolutely I think he knew how to

0:35:45.360 --> 0:35:48.839
<v Speaker 6>play with real world people and all that gamers came in.

0:35:49.239 --> 0:35:50.959
<v Speaker 4>He tried to run game and it was like.

0:35:51.000 --> 0:35:55.200
<v Speaker 5>Oh yeah, okay, calm down, back up real quick in

0:35:55.239 --> 0:35:59.080
<v Speaker 5>the house, roll it back, roll it back. Okay, as

0:35:59.080 --> 0:36:03.120
<v Speaker 5>a real world y'all still want to tread light.

0:36:06.600 --> 0:36:09.279
<v Speaker 6>Like I'm saying, Big Brother and Survivor came in the

0:36:09.280 --> 0:36:13.560
<v Speaker 6>picture and we saw through that. Like, I think West

0:36:13.719 --> 0:36:16.160
<v Speaker 6>is such a cool fucking dude, but I clashed with

0:36:16.239 --> 0:36:17.719
<v Speaker 6>him because he tried to run game on me.

0:36:18.520 --> 0:36:22.560
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and so obviously I was basically against it.

0:36:22.640 --> 0:36:25.520
<v Speaker 5>You know, well, I look forward to seeing you guys

0:36:25.560 --> 0:36:28.080
<v Speaker 5>on an episode of Rivals with Wes in the future

0:36:28.120 --> 0:36:28.920
<v Speaker 5>to this conversation.

0:36:28.960 --> 0:36:35.799
<v Speaker 2>You're welcome to stay home, Oh Josh, lies you tell

0:36:35.920 --> 0:36:39.000
<v Speaker 2>from your throat, lies you tell from You're welcome everyone

0:36:39.080 --> 0:36:41.000
<v Speaker 2>I look for all right, we have to take a

0:36:41.080 --> 0:36:42.840
<v Speaker 2>quick break, be right back after that.

0:36:48.880 --> 0:36:50.440
<v Speaker 1>Okay, let's get into it.

0:36:51.400 --> 0:36:55.080
<v Speaker 2>So, Josh, you have the vacation Alliance or that's pending, right,

0:36:55.840 --> 0:36:59.200
<v Speaker 2>and then you have a duo with me, But then

0:36:59.200 --> 0:37:02.640
<v Speaker 2>me and you also have a trio with Amanda, and

0:37:02.680 --> 0:37:03.719
<v Speaker 2>so I want to.

0:37:03.640 --> 0:37:10.000
<v Speaker 4>Know that's what we can't do the devil. Well, this

0:37:10.040 --> 0:37:10.600
<v Speaker 4>is the thing.

0:37:10.800 --> 0:37:13.680
<v Speaker 6>This is the thing that was frustrating with the Vacation

0:37:13.800 --> 0:37:17.600
<v Speaker 6>Alliance this season was we all know we have relationships

0:37:17.600 --> 0:37:20.600
<v Speaker 6>outside of our lines and we're never going to cross

0:37:20.640 --> 0:37:24.400
<v Speaker 6>each other. That was, yeah, I necessarily want Jordan at

0:37:24.400 --> 0:37:26.839
<v Speaker 6>the end. No, but I also let along with Jordan,

0:37:26.880 --> 0:37:28.520
<v Speaker 6>so I was like, I'm not coming after him anyways.

0:37:28.520 --> 0:37:30.680
<v Speaker 6>Like Jordan was somebody that I was close with out

0:37:30.680 --> 0:37:34.319
<v Speaker 6>other guys, So we all had our people outside of

0:37:34.480 --> 0:37:36.680
<v Speaker 6>our relationship, so obviously you guys would be one of

0:37:36.719 --> 0:37:38.719
<v Speaker 6>those people. I mean, when Amanda was in the house

0:37:38.719 --> 0:37:40.799
<v Speaker 6>for however long she was, they knew that she was

0:37:40.800 --> 0:37:43.200
<v Speaker 6>one of my girls, So there was no it's that

0:37:43.280 --> 0:37:44.799
<v Speaker 6>they even know not to bring that up. So I

0:37:44.800 --> 0:37:47.439
<v Speaker 6>don't even know why I came into play with Well,

0:37:47.480 --> 0:37:48.719
<v Speaker 6>I do know why I came in to play with

0:37:48.800 --> 0:37:51.359
<v Speaker 6>Rachel and Johnny because they started going at each other.

0:37:51.760 --> 0:37:54.720
<v Speaker 6>But yeah, no, I don't think that would change anything

0:37:54.760 --> 0:37:57.319
<v Speaker 6>between us. I think that you guys would be good

0:37:57.520 --> 0:37:58.839
<v Speaker 6>like and they wouldn't know that.

0:37:58.960 --> 0:38:01.480
<v Speaker 3>You know, how do you feel about her hot.

0:38:02.040 --> 0:38:05.160
<v Speaker 4>Shots at each other? I'm not That's not my fight.

0:38:05.640 --> 0:38:10.960
<v Speaker 3>I ain't shooting nobody. I'm standing behind you.

0:38:12.880 --> 0:38:14.920
<v Speaker 6>You want to have a group looking off for you

0:38:14.960 --> 0:38:17.080
<v Speaker 6>at like a strong group at that because they we

0:38:17.160 --> 0:38:17.760
<v Speaker 6>win dailies.

0:38:17.760 --> 0:38:19.560
<v Speaker 4>They win dailies like we're good.

0:38:20.160 --> 0:38:21.879
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna tell you the truth because I ain't never

0:38:21.920 --> 0:38:23.160
<v Speaker 2>going back, so I can say this.

0:38:23.880 --> 0:38:27.160
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, she's been saying that, Okay, right, I can say this.

0:38:27.360 --> 0:38:31.480
<v Speaker 2>Right, I would because I know that of your pending

0:38:31.600 --> 0:38:34.600
<v Speaker 2>vacation alliance, I would be at the bottom of that list,

0:38:34.840 --> 0:38:36.640
<v Speaker 2>so I would be doing things to strip you away

0:38:36.640 --> 0:38:37.960
<v Speaker 2>from them, like I'll be trying to get them up

0:38:37.960 --> 0:38:38.359
<v Speaker 2>out of there.

0:38:38.600 --> 0:38:39.279
<v Speaker 3>One undred percent.

0:38:41.040 --> 0:38:41.359
<v Speaker 5>I would.

0:38:41.480 --> 0:38:43.000
<v Speaker 4>I think that was Rachel's plan too.

0:38:43.120 --> 0:38:45.839
<v Speaker 3>Honestly, they gotta go, they gotta go.

0:38:46.200 --> 0:38:49.000
<v Speaker 2>I got one hundred percent, But yeah, I think how

0:38:49.040 --> 0:38:50.760
<v Speaker 2>do you feel about her coming out at the reunion?

0:38:50.800 --> 0:38:54.440
<v Speaker 2>Amanda's whole entrance, her hot takes on what happened this season?

0:38:55.000 --> 0:38:56.279
<v Speaker 4>Oh, I loved it.

0:38:56.560 --> 0:38:59.360
<v Speaker 6>Well, Amanda has been popping off on Twitter the whole season,

0:38:59.400 --> 0:39:03.480
<v Speaker 6>so I'm like, something feels too calm, Like, something feels

0:39:03.480 --> 0:39:05.520
<v Speaker 6>too We were even seeing it before. We're like what

0:39:05.719 --> 0:39:07.400
<v Speaker 6>I think I said? I was like, why is Amanda

0:39:07.440 --> 0:39:09.719
<v Speaker 6>not here? Like so when I see her walk out.

0:39:09.800 --> 0:39:12.160
<v Speaker 6>I'm like, dude, and they were all talking shit before. Oh,

0:39:12.239 --> 0:39:16.120
<v Speaker 6>I was like, light them up them. I mean, you

0:39:16.239 --> 0:39:20.279
<v Speaker 6>saw the fears on their faces because she has no like,

0:39:20.440 --> 0:39:24.320
<v Speaker 6>she has no mercy. She's like, you know, she doesn't

0:39:24.320 --> 0:39:27.000
<v Speaker 6>hold back. So I was excited and I'm on when

0:39:27.080 --> 0:39:28.399
<v Speaker 6>you're on her good side, it's a good thing.

0:39:33.920 --> 0:39:38.440
<v Speaker 2>So okay, we were anticipating Amanda, Right, how did you

0:39:38.480 --> 0:39:40.160
<v Speaker 2>feel when Tony popped up on the screen?

0:39:41.400 --> 0:39:49.400
<v Speaker 4>Oof, I have I mean I feel hmmm, be honest.

0:39:49.160 --> 0:39:53.320
<v Speaker 1>With you guys, go ahead, let it out.

0:39:53.560 --> 0:39:56.759
<v Speaker 6>I think that Tony like what Amanda said, I'm not

0:39:56.840 --> 0:39:58.120
<v Speaker 6>I think it's Amanda said it.

0:39:58.200 --> 0:39:59.719
<v Speaker 4>You know. I think he just really pulled up for

0:39:59.719 --> 0:40:01.520
<v Speaker 4>the chain. I do. I really do.

0:40:01.680 --> 0:40:01.960
<v Speaker 8>Yeah.

0:40:02.040 --> 0:40:05.000
<v Speaker 6>No matter how you try to justify, we witnessed that elimination,

0:40:05.120 --> 0:40:07.399
<v Speaker 6>and there was no way in hell that this two

0:40:07.480 --> 0:40:12.160
<v Speaker 6>forty six y four giant was letting a twenty five

0:40:12.239 --> 0:40:16.920
<v Speaker 6>pounds you know, little fucking you know like he was.

0:40:17.080 --> 0:40:19.279
<v Speaker 6>He wasn't giving his all, like he was checked out.

0:40:19.320 --> 0:40:21.440
<v Speaker 6>He was checked out. And to throw yourself in.

0:40:21.440 --> 0:40:25.279
<v Speaker 4>An elimination so early on again, like for a friend

0:40:25.360 --> 0:40:26.000
<v Speaker 4>or something like that.

0:40:26.080 --> 0:40:28.440
<v Speaker 5>But I'm like, bro, yeah, it didn't make sense like

0:40:28.520 --> 0:40:31.239
<v Speaker 5>it made sense from an avery. I mean, it was

0:40:31.280 --> 0:40:34.200
<v Speaker 5>still I wouldn't have done it, but it made sense

0:40:34.200 --> 0:40:36.480
<v Speaker 5>for her perspective and being that like, look these are

0:40:36.560 --> 0:40:38.640
<v Speaker 5>my rider, you know, like from the jump I made

0:40:38.640 --> 0:40:40.239
<v Speaker 5>this decision. It'd be like if someone wanted me to

0:40:40.280 --> 0:40:42.959
<v Speaker 5>vote in day or something for example, like that's that's

0:40:42.960 --> 0:40:46.200
<v Speaker 5>a non negotiable. But Tony didn't even come back with

0:40:46.239 --> 0:40:49.279
<v Speaker 5>a well, hey, this person is my job, you know

0:40:49.320 --> 0:40:51.200
<v Speaker 5>what I mean, well like saying that like, look, i'm rider,

0:40:51.480 --> 0:40:53.680
<v Speaker 5>you know I'm good friends with X, so I cannot

0:40:53.680 --> 0:40:55.680
<v Speaker 5>say them. He was more just like, oh, I've just

0:40:55.680 --> 0:40:57.640
<v Speaker 5>made up my mind. Like it wasn't like oh we

0:40:57.800 --> 0:41:00.399
<v Speaker 5>have I have a long friendship in history with these

0:41:00.440 --> 0:41:01.960
<v Speaker 5>other people, so I can't say.

0:41:01.760 --> 0:41:03.799
<v Speaker 1>Them and now we're at a stalemate. He was just

0:41:03.840 --> 0:41:06.040
<v Speaker 1>like so at best.

0:41:05.800 --> 0:41:08.279
<v Speaker 4>He was such a good dude. You were an Era three.

0:41:08.600 --> 0:41:11.040
<v Speaker 4>Yeah that we're stacked if you really want to make

0:41:11.080 --> 0:41:13.359
<v Speaker 4>it to the end. Yeah, had an easy ride because

0:41:13.400 --> 0:41:15.719
<v Speaker 4>y'all was such a stacked team. I think that there

0:41:15.760 --> 0:41:18.919
<v Speaker 4>were our biggest competition in dailies and just to see

0:41:18.960 --> 0:41:20.640
<v Speaker 4>how he kind of, in my eyes, kind of threw

0:41:20.680 --> 0:41:22.160
<v Speaker 4>it away. I don't know.

0:41:22.239 --> 0:41:24.960
<v Speaker 6>I think, you know, I think it's tough because I

0:41:24.960 --> 0:41:28.160
<v Speaker 6>feel like everybody makes their sacrifices, everybody has their recent

0:41:28.320 --> 0:41:30.400
<v Speaker 6>reason to be there. And obviously I think that the

0:41:30.920 --> 0:41:32.560
<v Speaker 6>more that you do this, your heart gets involved and

0:41:32.640 --> 0:41:34.160
<v Speaker 6>you want it so bad, like you just want to

0:41:34.160 --> 0:41:36.160
<v Speaker 6>see it too. But it is sad when you see

0:41:36.160 --> 0:41:37.759
<v Speaker 6>people not giving it. I mean, you don't have to

0:41:37.800 --> 0:41:40.640
<v Speaker 6>be the best, obviously, but like put some heart into it. Yeah,

0:41:41.080 --> 0:41:44.520
<v Speaker 6>that's what was tough. I also think that guarantees that's

0:41:44.560 --> 0:41:45.640
<v Speaker 6>a nice little check.

0:41:45.920 --> 0:41:48.080
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, but there are other people who clearly wanted to

0:41:48.120 --> 0:41:50.799
<v Speaker 5>be there, right, and we're fighting, and for Tony to

0:41:50.880 --> 0:41:55.080
<v Speaker 5>kind of take up that spot, you know, is knowing

0:41:55.120 --> 0:41:55.719
<v Speaker 5>that he didn't want.

0:41:55.960 --> 0:41:58.279
<v Speaker 4>Just to say that is my opinion. I'm not saying

0:41:58.320 --> 0:42:02.040
<v Speaker 4>that that's the reality. Okay, what I witnessed, I didn't

0:42:02.080 --> 0:42:04.799
<v Speaker 4>see one hundred Tony showing up at that thought elimination.

0:42:05.200 --> 0:42:07.120
<v Speaker 2>So let me say this because this was my hot take,

0:42:07.360 --> 0:42:10.680
<v Speaker 2>right because I was I was pissed about the elimination

0:42:10.840 --> 0:42:11.200
<v Speaker 2>with Lee.

0:42:11.560 --> 0:42:12.200
<v Speaker 1>That pat me off.

0:42:12.200 --> 0:42:13.920
<v Speaker 3>If you knew you wanted to go home, what was

0:42:13.960 --> 0:42:15.799
<v Speaker 3>we doing because you could have spared Lee? Right?

0:42:16.440 --> 0:42:19.160
<v Speaker 2>Do you think that he gave his all in that

0:42:19.200 --> 0:42:22.680
<v Speaker 2>elimination with Lee simply for Bragg and rights to say

0:42:22.719 --> 0:42:23.319
<v Speaker 2>he beat Lee.

0:42:25.000 --> 0:42:26.279
<v Speaker 6>I don't know if it was like to say he

0:42:26.360 --> 0:42:28.080
<v Speaker 6>beat Lee, But I think, like, you don't want to

0:42:28.080 --> 0:42:28.960
<v Speaker 6>be the first one sent home.

0:42:29.640 --> 0:42:33.439
<v Speaker 5>Yeah you don't know that's true.

0:42:33.680 --> 0:42:36.239
<v Speaker 4>Ever want to be the that is true. So I

0:42:36.239 --> 0:42:38.160
<v Speaker 4>think that's why he did it. But he knew that

0:42:38.160 --> 0:42:41.680
<v Speaker 4>he would have both opportunities, you know. But I think,

0:42:41.960 --> 0:42:44.520
<v Speaker 4>and then I think also, I don't know, I have

0:42:44.560 --> 0:42:47.160
<v Speaker 4>a lot of opinions on this, but I think also

0:42:47.239 --> 0:42:49.960
<v Speaker 4>he saw Tony was in such a good position.

0:42:50.160 --> 0:42:52.360
<v Speaker 6>He had a strong relationship. I had never played or

0:42:52.400 --> 0:42:55.399
<v Speaker 6>met Tony. This was my first one, and I saw

0:42:55.440 --> 0:42:58.640
<v Speaker 6>his dynamic and I was like, whoa, everybody rocks with him.

0:42:58.719 --> 0:43:00.160
<v Speaker 6>Everybody Tony.

0:43:00.360 --> 0:43:02.560
<v Speaker 4>He's such a fun dude to have in that house

0:43:02.560 --> 0:43:05.800
<v Speaker 4>because he's so funny and like chaotic, like he's just entertaining,

0:43:06.160 --> 0:43:07.520
<v Speaker 4>Like he's like a bull in a china shop.

0:43:07.520 --> 0:43:09.359
<v Speaker 6>You give him some alcohol and he's like he lights

0:43:09.400 --> 0:43:11.959
<v Speaker 6>up the room. Yeah, he was fun, but I'm like, damn,

0:43:11.960 --> 0:43:15.279
<v Speaker 6>he has he's sitting pretty. This guy's so then to

0:43:15.320 --> 0:43:17.960
<v Speaker 6>see that shift overnight kind of be like all right now,

0:43:18.200 --> 0:43:22.120
<v Speaker 6>uh yeah, yeah, that was a little disappointing because I

0:43:22.160 --> 0:43:23.799
<v Speaker 6>think he would have had an easy ride to the end.

0:43:24.160 --> 0:43:26.000
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, and he probably would have been interesting to watch

0:43:26.080 --> 0:43:30.319
<v Speaker 5>if he had like made the time and been you know,

0:43:30.360 --> 0:43:32.600
<v Speaker 5>like put yet put in heart, I put it. I

0:43:32.600 --> 0:43:34.759
<v Speaker 5>feel like he put in more effort to pull that

0:43:34.960 --> 0:43:37.440
<v Speaker 5>shorts butt stunt he did on the Zoom than he

0:43:37.560 --> 0:43:41.000
<v Speaker 5>did into staying in the season, which is, you know,

0:43:44.360 --> 0:43:46.000
<v Speaker 5>this is how you know I'm not coming back by

0:43:46.000 --> 0:43:47.960
<v Speaker 5>the way Josh just say you know I'm.

0:43:48.719 --> 0:43:51.040
<v Speaker 3>Can't we acknowledge that he had holes in his shorts?

0:43:51.200 --> 0:43:52.919
<v Speaker 1>Oh I didn't look that hard. I tried to turn away.

0:43:53.000 --> 0:43:53.920
<v Speaker 3>I did.

0:43:54.400 --> 0:43:57.080
<v Speaker 4>That's a hole, a hole paused.

0:43:58.040 --> 0:43:58.840
<v Speaker 3>There is a hole.

0:43:59.320 --> 0:44:02.160
<v Speaker 2>Right the season what's filled with ups and downs and

0:44:02.200 --> 0:44:06.200
<v Speaker 2>all the roller coasters and holes, makeups and breakups. We

0:44:06.239 --> 0:44:08.480
<v Speaker 2>got the opportunity to see Kara and Tory put the

0:44:08.560 --> 0:44:13.600
<v Speaker 2>pass behind it together. I want to know, is there

0:44:13.719 --> 0:44:18.920
<v Speaker 2>anybody that you wish you can have a Tory Kara.

0:44:19.080 --> 0:44:19.799
<v Speaker 3>Moment with.

0:44:21.640 --> 0:44:22.600
<v Speaker 4>That I could have, or.

0:44:23.160 --> 0:44:26.239
<v Speaker 2>To know that you can have anybody that you want

0:44:26.280 --> 0:44:28.680
<v Speaker 2>to mend the relations agreement and you want.

0:44:28.520 --> 0:44:30.480
<v Speaker 3>To mend and starts fresh.

0:44:30.600 --> 0:44:33.200
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, there's a few.

0:44:33.280 --> 0:44:37.080
<v Speaker 6>Actually, I think the two that come to mind are

0:44:38.840 --> 0:44:42.279
<v Speaker 6>and I won't get into details. That's fine, Ashley and West.

0:44:43.239 --> 0:44:46.280
<v Speaker 6>I think because West outside of the game, it's somebody

0:44:46.480 --> 0:44:48.480
<v Speaker 6>that I'm not going to get too deep into it,

0:44:48.560 --> 0:44:52.440
<v Speaker 6>but and not to get all personal and all that stuff.

0:44:52.480 --> 0:44:57.520
<v Speaker 6>But I went I struggled really bad with the point

0:44:57.560 --> 0:44:59.600
<v Speaker 6>I didn't know was depression. But I was in deep

0:44:59.600 --> 0:45:03.360
<v Speaker 6>DEPRESSI during Total Madness and COVID. So I'm so happy

0:45:03.360 --> 0:45:05.680
<v Speaker 6>we didn't end up on all starts together, Big Brother

0:45:05.719 --> 0:45:07.880
<v Speaker 6>all starts, But I was in a really deep depression

0:45:07.920 --> 0:45:09.200
<v Speaker 6>and now I'm able to look back at it. And

0:45:09.239 --> 0:45:11.480
<v Speaker 6>Wes was somebody that reached out and picked up the

0:45:11.480 --> 0:45:14.000
<v Speaker 6>phone and every single day would call me.

0:45:14.280 --> 0:45:14.800
<v Speaker 1>That's amazing.

0:45:14.880 --> 0:45:16.319
<v Speaker 4>Would call me and be like, hey, I don't give

0:45:16.320 --> 0:45:17.440
<v Speaker 4>a fuck about anything, how are you doing?

0:45:17.440 --> 0:45:20.040
<v Speaker 6>Are you okay? And would check it on me. That

0:45:20.160 --> 0:45:21.800
<v Speaker 6>showed a lot about him as a person.

0:45:22.040 --> 0:45:22.759
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

0:45:22.320 --> 0:45:24.719
<v Speaker 6>So in the game we don't see eye to eye.

0:45:24.760 --> 0:45:26.880
<v Speaker 6>We've class We've had our moments. He takes shot, he

0:45:27.200 --> 0:45:29.239
<v Speaker 6>talks about me all the time on Twitter, he comes

0:45:29.280 --> 0:45:31.160
<v Speaker 6>at me. But when I think of Wes, I think

0:45:31.160 --> 0:45:33.239
<v Speaker 6>about that time that in the moment he didn't know

0:45:33.280 --> 0:45:34.799
<v Speaker 6>he was such a light in my life and I

0:45:34.840 --> 0:45:36.520
<v Speaker 6>didn't know I needed But now to look at it

0:45:36.520 --> 0:45:38.040
<v Speaker 6>and be like, damn, he helped me a.

0:45:38.040 --> 0:45:41.479
<v Speaker 5>Lot, and now you call him over rated, Wes, We're

0:45:41.520 --> 0:45:42.200
<v Speaker 5>so sorry.

0:45:42.440 --> 0:45:43.520
<v Speaker 1>That is a mess.

0:45:43.640 --> 0:45:45.560
<v Speaker 3>Josh called him.

0:45:45.480 --> 0:45:48.239
<v Speaker 5>Over and he was over here check it on you

0:45:48.280 --> 0:45:50.319
<v Speaker 5>and you're life, making sure you were aokay.

0:45:50.680 --> 0:45:50.759
<v Speaker 4>No.

0:45:51.239 --> 0:45:53.360
<v Speaker 1>Sometimes something that's a duality of challenges.

0:45:53.600 --> 0:45:54.000
<v Speaker 7>I love that.

0:45:54.239 --> 0:45:54.800
<v Speaker 1>I'm just kidding.

0:45:54.840 --> 0:45:57.680
<v Speaker 5>I still think he's overrated, but that's really sweet that

0:45:57.760 --> 0:46:00.360
<v Speaker 5>and I love that duality, and I think fans times

0:46:00.400 --> 0:46:03.240
<v Speaker 5>forget that, like some of these people on the back

0:46:03.320 --> 0:46:06.040
<v Speaker 5>end are like real ones, you know what I mean,

0:46:06.040 --> 0:46:07.920
<v Speaker 5>when you need them. I think is really special and

0:46:08.800 --> 0:46:12.680
<v Speaker 5>really cool about challenge. So that's props to Wes for.

0:46:12.120 --> 0:46:14.759
<v Speaker 2>Forting that that was a really good moment. I ain't

0:46:14.800 --> 0:46:16.120
<v Speaker 2>never seen that side of him, but that was a

0:46:16.160 --> 0:46:16.880
<v Speaker 2>really good moment.

0:46:17.239 --> 0:46:17.439
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

0:46:18.160 --> 0:46:21.560
<v Speaker 6>I mean, I'm telling you day he was somebody that

0:46:21.960 --> 0:46:24.080
<v Speaker 6>helped me a lot because back home, I felt so

0:46:24.160 --> 0:46:27.719
<v Speaker 6>much understood. Nobody understood what You're on TV. You're making money,

0:46:27.760 --> 0:46:31.600
<v Speaker 6>you're traveling, you're getting paid. Yeah, everything seems great, but

0:46:31.680 --> 0:46:33.680
<v Speaker 6>it's like, you're not in my shoes. You don't understand

0:46:33.719 --> 0:46:34.040
<v Speaker 6>what it is.

0:46:34.400 --> 0:46:35.320
<v Speaker 1>You're in the public eye.

0:46:35.360 --> 0:46:38.160
<v Speaker 5>People seem to think you don't have feelings just because

0:46:38.160 --> 0:46:39.799
<v Speaker 5>you're in the public eye. If anything, sometimes it makes

0:46:39.840 --> 0:46:43.080
<v Speaker 5>it worse because so many people are comments on you.

0:46:43.080 --> 0:46:45.960
<v Speaker 6>No, I'm being in the reality space. I think I

0:46:46.000 --> 0:46:49.200
<v Speaker 6>give God thanks every single fucking day for my family

0:46:49.239 --> 0:46:52.080
<v Speaker 6>and the support system I have at home because I

0:46:52.200 --> 0:46:54.080
<v Speaker 6>run to them whenever I'm down. I'm like, nop funck,

0:46:54.080 --> 0:46:56.160
<v Speaker 6>this should go work out, go to your people. Thankfully,

0:46:56.200 --> 0:46:57.439
<v Speaker 6>I'm in a really amazing space.

0:46:57.480 --> 0:46:59.160
<v Speaker 4>Now. I think you got to get your ass beat publicly,

0:46:59.239 --> 0:47:00.680
<v Speaker 4>so then just come dumb.

0:47:00.480 --> 0:47:04.439
<v Speaker 6>To it to like not give a shit now laugh

0:47:04.440 --> 0:47:06.879
<v Speaker 6>about it honestly when it's a good job. And I'm like, yeah,

0:47:07.560 --> 0:47:09.880
<v Speaker 6>but it takes you breaking to get to this point.

0:47:11.080 --> 0:47:13.120
<v Speaker 6>And I'm just happy on the other side that I'm at.

0:47:13.160 --> 0:47:15.080
<v Speaker 6>But that's why I look at certain people like Wes

0:47:15.120 --> 0:47:18.200
<v Speaker 6>and I'm like, no, like he puts he has this

0:47:18.400 --> 0:47:21.520
<v Speaker 6>persona on TV, but like, all in all, he did

0:47:21.600 --> 0:47:23.440
<v Speaker 6>check it on me on the rag and I appreciate that.

0:47:23.800 --> 0:47:29.799
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So let me say this because okay, okay, okay, yeah,

0:47:29.880 --> 0:47:32.400
<v Speaker 2>I did, okay, okay, okay.

0:47:34.000 --> 0:47:39.080
<v Speaker 3>During War of the World's Won, we had this hall brawl.

0:47:39.239 --> 0:47:41.440
<v Speaker 2>I think it was THEO and Kyle and it was

0:47:41.719 --> 0:47:45.360
<v Speaker 2>out of control and Wes, for lack of a better phrase,

0:47:45.440 --> 0:47:48.200
<v Speaker 2>was having PTSD and we beefing.

0:47:48.280 --> 0:47:49.720
<v Speaker 3>Heavy at this time.

0:47:50.360 --> 0:47:53.320
<v Speaker 2>But he comes over to me and he's like shaking

0:47:53.680 --> 0:47:57.120
<v Speaker 2>because he's thinking back to his elimination and he's thinking

0:47:57.160 --> 0:47:59.359
<v Speaker 2>back to it. And I've seen this looking it and

0:47:59.360 --> 0:48:01.000
<v Speaker 2>that was the first time I got a little glimpse.

0:48:01.040 --> 0:48:04.359
<v Speaker 2>I said, oh there, maybe it is a human right there.

0:48:04.400 --> 0:48:07.799
<v Speaker 2>And so I'm holding his hand through the whole elimination.

0:48:07.280 --> 0:48:08.520
<v Speaker 1>And we'd been heavy.

0:48:08.800 --> 0:48:11.320
<v Speaker 2>Wow, but I'm holding his hand through the whole elimination

0:48:11.800 --> 0:48:14.359
<v Speaker 2>when so I think it is important to say, yes,

0:48:14.640 --> 0:48:17.239
<v Speaker 2>we have our moments on TV, there are characters, but

0:48:17.320 --> 0:48:21.239
<v Speaker 2>we are still human. Wow. And that was powerful the

0:48:21.360 --> 0:48:23.600
<v Speaker 2>human yeah yea yeah, yeah yeah yeah.

0:48:23.640 --> 0:48:25.640
<v Speaker 5>And that you didn't like jerk his wrist and try

0:48:25.640 --> 0:48:28.200
<v Speaker 5>and break it in the moment holding his hand the restraint.

0:48:28.880 --> 0:48:31.279
<v Speaker 6>And I want to say something before we move on

0:48:31.320 --> 0:48:33.680
<v Speaker 6>from this question and the reason I named an Ashley.

0:48:34.440 --> 0:48:38.120
<v Speaker 6>We have our differences on a season. There was obviously

0:48:38.200 --> 0:48:41.480
<v Speaker 6>a lot that went down that didn't air. But I

0:48:41.520 --> 0:48:43.279
<v Speaker 6>think that there was a narrative out there that I

0:48:43.280 --> 0:48:45.080
<v Speaker 6>didn't want to see her back on, or that I

0:48:45.200 --> 0:48:47.600
<v Speaker 6>went to production and try to block her. And all

0:48:47.600 --> 0:48:49.319
<v Speaker 6>I want to say is my heart cannot be more

0:48:49.360 --> 0:48:51.640
<v Speaker 6>happy to see her on All Stars. Like will we

0:48:51.760 --> 0:48:55.080
<v Speaker 6>ever be like close friends are? Probably not, But I

0:48:55.120 --> 0:48:57.480
<v Speaker 6>know what a huge blessing this is for all of us.

0:48:57.760 --> 0:48:59.800
<v Speaker 6>I know what a big part of our lives this

0:48:59.840 --> 0:49:02.239
<v Speaker 6>has become. And she's a big face of the show.

0:49:02.800 --> 0:49:06.920
<v Speaker 4>Even like, like Amanda said in the reunion, acually not

0:49:07.000 --> 0:49:09.640
<v Speaker 4>being there for Era three was kind of wild, Like

0:49:10.120 --> 0:49:10.840
<v Speaker 4>she's a champ.

0:49:11.000 --> 0:49:13.880
<v Speaker 6>The girl's dominated seasons. She's really good at the game.

0:49:14.280 --> 0:49:17.720
<v Speaker 6>So I'm genuinely really happy for her and I'm rooting

0:49:17.760 --> 0:49:20.560
<v Speaker 6>for her success and I hope she keeps dominating because

0:49:20.560 --> 0:49:21.799
<v Speaker 6>she's she's just great TV.

0:49:22.239 --> 0:49:25.320
<v Speaker 4>Like, yeah, at all she's great TV. So I'm excited

0:49:25.320 --> 0:49:26.280
<v Speaker 4>for her on All Stories.

0:49:26.320 --> 0:49:27.920
<v Speaker 5>You actually bring up a good point too, before we

0:49:27.960 --> 0:49:31.680
<v Speaker 5>go the conversation or the debate between Era Won and

0:49:31.760 --> 0:49:37.759
<v Speaker 5>Jordan around people coming on to revive their career, you know, like, oh,

0:49:37.800 --> 0:49:39.440
<v Speaker 5>you're happy you got calls, And I think it was

0:49:39.440 --> 0:49:42.560
<v Speaker 5>maybe Jody who pointed out or someone or no, someone

0:49:42.600 --> 0:49:46.319
<v Speaker 5>pointed out. I remember, I think Derek pointed out. Just

0:49:46.320 --> 0:49:48.280
<v Speaker 5>because I'm not here doesn't mean I wasn't called.

0:49:48.360 --> 0:49:49.160
<v Speaker 1>What are you all?

0:49:49.280 --> 0:49:54.600
<v Speaker 5>Particularly? You two take on that? Do you agree with Jordan?

0:49:54.920 --> 0:49:57.680
<v Speaker 5>Do you think he was just lashing out because he

0:49:57.719 --> 0:49:59.440
<v Speaker 5>was mad? Do you have a different take on it?

0:50:01.320 --> 0:50:04.799
<v Speaker 6>I do, Yeah, I think that at that point he

0:50:04.920 --> 0:50:06.799
<v Speaker 6>was a little his back was kind of he was

0:50:06.800 --> 0:50:08.520
<v Speaker 6>taking a lot of fire from a lot of people,

0:50:08.560 --> 0:50:10.400
<v Speaker 6>like I think to everybody was just taking shots on

0:50:10.480 --> 0:50:13.000
<v Speaker 6>him at that point, so he was kind of like

0:50:13.200 --> 0:50:17.959
<v Speaker 6>on the defense. I wouldn't say. I wouldn't I would

0:50:18.080 --> 0:50:21.040
<v Speaker 6>never say what he said because in all reality, every

0:50:21.040 --> 0:50:23.279
<v Speaker 6>single person that was in Era one is the reason

0:50:23.360 --> 0:50:26.719
<v Speaker 6>why the show is still around. I'm gonna give I

0:50:26.760 --> 0:50:28.879
<v Speaker 6>don't care how bad they ship the bed I don't

0:50:28.920 --> 0:50:33.040
<v Speaker 6>care how bad they like. I mean, everyone kind of

0:50:33.040 --> 0:50:36.719
<v Speaker 6>flopped this. Yes, they were in bed by eight, but

0:50:36.760 --> 0:50:39.440
<v Speaker 6>the reality is we're here forty seasons later because these

0:50:39.440 --> 0:50:42.440
<v Speaker 6>people put it all out there, like they put everything,

0:50:42.480 --> 0:50:43.560
<v Speaker 6>their relationships.

0:50:43.840 --> 0:50:46.520
<v Speaker 4>They're drunken antics.

0:50:46.120 --> 0:50:49.160
<v Speaker 1>The blueprint, they filled the blue what.

0:50:49.160 --> 0:50:52.000
<v Speaker 4>It is yep, So I would never sit on a

0:50:52.040 --> 0:50:54.480
<v Speaker 4>stage and say, oh, you're just excited your back and

0:50:54.480 --> 0:50:58.080
<v Speaker 4>you revived your career. That's fucking wild. Do you think

0:50:58.080 --> 0:50:58.880
<v Speaker 4>thank you for giving me?

0:50:59.360 --> 0:51:01.879
<v Speaker 1>It's also it is I think he does.

0:51:02.040 --> 0:51:03.839
<v Speaker 5>Look, I think he's not wrong, and sure that there

0:51:03.840 --> 0:51:05.480
<v Speaker 5>are some people who are probably super excited to be

0:51:05.520 --> 0:51:06.760
<v Speaker 5>called and had been called in years.

0:51:07.120 --> 0:51:11.120
<v Speaker 1>But I also think it's not accurate. We talked about this.

0:51:11.360 --> 0:51:13.480
<v Speaker 5>Just because I'm not back on the challenge doesn't mean

0:51:13.520 --> 0:51:16.280
<v Speaker 5>I'm not called like it is. Some people are making

0:51:16.400 --> 0:51:19.040
<v Speaker 5>choices based on other things they want to do or

0:51:19.080 --> 0:51:22.759
<v Speaker 5>they've got going on, and it just isn't They're right

0:51:22.800 --> 0:51:24.360
<v Speaker 5>to say it doesn't align with where they're trying to

0:51:24.360 --> 0:51:26.520
<v Speaker 5>go or what they're trying to do, or I value

0:51:26.520 --> 0:51:30.720
<v Speaker 5>my knees personally, but it doesn't mean that they aren't called,

0:51:30.880 --> 0:51:32.200
<v Speaker 5>you know, or that they don't have the option. So

0:51:32.280 --> 0:51:34.200
<v Speaker 5>like with Derek saying he takes time off, I believe

0:51:34.280 --> 0:51:35.000
<v Speaker 5>Derek has been.

0:51:34.840 --> 0:51:37.680
<v Speaker 1>Called a lot, even more times than we've seen.

0:51:37.560 --> 0:51:40.680
<v Speaker 5>Him, you know, to come on the show, and I

0:51:40.760 --> 0:51:45.799
<v Speaker 5>believe probably Rachel too, quite frankly, So, yeah, I think

0:51:45.800 --> 0:51:47.640
<v Speaker 5>that that's a misconception.

0:51:47.960 --> 0:51:48.400
<v Speaker 1>Probably.

0:51:48.920 --> 0:51:53.200
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I love Jordan to death. But that was definitely

0:51:53.920 --> 0:51:55.640
<v Speaker 4>a bad take from from his side.

0:51:55.880 --> 0:51:58.080
<v Speaker 5>Well, two bad takes in one reunion. That and the

0:51:58.120 --> 0:52:02.239
<v Speaker 5>suit that he wears for that is like, Josh, please

0:52:02.239 --> 0:52:04.479
<v Speaker 5>don't get one in your size, sir, please.

0:52:05.480 --> 0:52:07.839
<v Speaker 6>I don't think I could pull off the soup. I

0:52:07.920 --> 0:52:09.160
<v Speaker 6>kind of like the soup.

0:52:10.560 --> 0:52:13.240
<v Speaker 1>The vibe you're rocking now. Josh has a really.

0:52:13.000 --> 0:52:14.480
<v Speaker 4>Good fashion sense, I will say that.

0:52:16.239 --> 0:52:18.560
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, Davon your thoughts, I see you're making a face

0:52:19.160 --> 0:52:21.680
<v Speaker 5>on what Jordan and his outfit.

0:52:22.280 --> 0:52:34.600
<v Speaker 8>Jordan's fashion sense I think.

0:52:28.080 --> 0:52:37.960
<v Speaker 5>I wait, we're award winning, Josh. We found out we

0:52:38.000 --> 0:52:38.720
<v Speaker 5>wanted a war.

0:52:38.719 --> 0:52:41.160
<v Speaker 3>For this podcast, so yeah, let's talk about that.

0:52:41.719 --> 0:52:44.800
<v Speaker 1>We didn't even know we won grats.

0:52:44.480 --> 0:52:49.239
<v Speaker 4>Guys, look at you. Challenge podcast is thriving, baby. We

0:52:49.280 --> 0:52:50.360
<v Speaker 4>ain't going nowhere.

0:52:50.520 --> 0:52:53.719
<v Speaker 5>We going nowhere, especially not day because we get to

0:52:53.760 --> 0:52:56.200
<v Speaker 5>comment on her on All Stars five, which is amazing

0:52:56.400 --> 0:52:59.000
<v Speaker 5>or not. You know, we're going to Josh, I'm gonna

0:52:59.000 --> 0:53:01.400
<v Speaker 5>start Twitter threads specif with you so we can comment

0:53:01.480 --> 0:53:03.759
<v Speaker 5>give hot takes on Davon's performance every week.

0:53:03.960 --> 0:53:05.840
<v Speaker 1>He knows I will an All Stars five.

0:53:06.640 --> 0:53:10.879
<v Speaker 2>Jesus, this is about Josh. Josh, I think you had

0:53:10.920 --> 0:53:13.680
<v Speaker 2>a great season. I'm very proud of you for being

0:53:13.840 --> 0:53:17.120
<v Speaker 2>very selfish shaking thinking about Josh this. As a matter

0:53:17.160 --> 0:53:19.000
<v Speaker 2>of fact, we had Torri on last week and we

0:53:19.080 --> 0:53:22.680
<v Speaker 2>made a statement that we come from Big Brother, right.

0:53:22.800 --> 0:53:25.000
<v Speaker 2>But you've been on the challenge long enough for you

0:53:25.080 --> 0:53:27.960
<v Speaker 2>to start adapting to the challenge, and so I need

0:53:28.000 --> 0:53:31.040
<v Speaker 2>you to make that shift because in some senses, I'll

0:53:31.080 --> 0:53:32.640
<v Speaker 2>watch you play and I'm like, oh, he's still in

0:53:32.640 --> 0:53:32.959
<v Speaker 2>the house.

0:53:33.000 --> 0:53:35.040
<v Speaker 3>Get off the CBS lot. Because I see you, you

0:53:35.160 --> 0:53:36.680
<v Speaker 3>still on the lot, get off the line.

0:53:36.680 --> 0:53:39.200
<v Speaker 4>I think you know, I agree. I think that what's

0:53:39.239 --> 0:53:42.200
<v Speaker 4>so wild. What's so wild is.

0:53:42.160 --> 0:53:44.319
<v Speaker 6>That I think I'm one of the Big Brother crossovers

0:53:44.440 --> 0:53:48.200
<v Speaker 6>that has played more like a challenger, Like I'm just

0:53:48.239 --> 0:53:50.759
<v Speaker 6>an emotional, outspoken I'm either rocking with you or I'm not.

0:53:50.880 --> 0:53:53.759
<v Speaker 6>I'm very open about it. Like I think I play

0:53:53.760 --> 0:53:55.839
<v Speaker 6>a pretty up from the game. I'm just I'm a

0:53:55.880 --> 0:54:00.160
<v Speaker 6>social butterfly, connected with connected, I'm a friendly fucking guy.

0:54:00.360 --> 0:54:02.400
<v Speaker 4>So I think that that's where like, oh, it's big Brother,

0:54:02.680 --> 0:54:04.880
<v Speaker 4>big Brother coded. It's like, no, it's that's why I

0:54:04.880 --> 0:54:07.920
<v Speaker 4>am naturally like my you know, you've seen me out

0:54:07.920 --> 0:54:10.600
<v Speaker 4>in public. I'll talk to the Wall. Yeah, you know, so.

0:54:10.800 --> 0:54:13.960
<v Speaker 6>I just think that they easy to say that, but

0:54:13.960 --> 0:54:15.600
<v Speaker 6>but no.

0:54:15.560 --> 0:54:17.640
<v Speaker 1>Josh weird are you? You're a gym? You really are?

0:54:17.800 --> 0:54:20.360
<v Speaker 1>And know that, like when I give you ship for

0:54:20.400 --> 0:54:22.239
<v Speaker 1>your game plates, because I care. If I didn't care,

0:54:22.239 --> 0:54:22.839
<v Speaker 1>I just talk.

0:54:22.800 --> 0:54:26.320
<v Speaker 6>About I had a couple. I have some rider Dye fans.

0:54:26.840 --> 0:54:31.040
<v Speaker 6>I don't like the word fans, some supporters, anything anything

0:54:31.200 --> 0:54:35.520
<v Speaker 6>like it could be an interview, it could be an article.

0:54:35.680 --> 0:54:38.279
<v Speaker 4>They send it to me. And you know, they told

0:54:38.280 --> 0:54:40.040
<v Speaker 4>me a couple of times this season that you were.

0:54:40.120 --> 0:54:43.440
<v Speaker 5>I was pushing at you because I want you to

0:54:43.440 --> 0:54:44.000
<v Speaker 5>do better.

0:54:44.120 --> 0:54:48.000
<v Speaker 4>It's never there, like dude, dave On send me clips.

0:54:48.040 --> 0:54:50.680
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, and I stand by everything I say. You

0:54:50.680 --> 0:54:53.160
<v Speaker 1>can always text me or DM me about it.

0:54:53.320 --> 0:54:54.799
<v Speaker 4>I did feel some type of way about it if

0:54:54.800 --> 0:54:56.719
<v Speaker 4>I'm being honest with you, because I'm like, damn, I

0:54:56.719 --> 0:54:57.800
<v Speaker 4>thought we were cool.

0:54:57.960 --> 0:55:00.200
<v Speaker 5>We are we are, And I always say my say

0:55:00.200 --> 0:55:02.000
<v Speaker 5>you can always text or d m me. I know

0:55:02.040 --> 0:55:04.400
<v Speaker 5>Michelle and I had the same conversation a season or

0:55:04.440 --> 0:55:06.920
<v Speaker 5>two ago. But when I ride you, it's because I

0:55:06.960 --> 0:55:09.200
<v Speaker 5>see potential. I'm gonna do the same today like I

0:55:09.239 --> 0:55:12.160
<v Speaker 5>see potential in you where I'm like, Josh, this isn't

0:55:12.200 --> 0:55:12.839
<v Speaker 5>serving you.

0:55:12.840 --> 0:55:15.680
<v Speaker 6>You know, like listen, the reality. The reality is like

0:55:16.200 --> 0:55:18.640
<v Speaker 6>we understand what we're doing here, like this is their job.

0:55:18.640 --> 0:55:21.080
<v Speaker 6>We got to give our honest opinion on ship. I

0:55:21.160 --> 0:55:23.759
<v Speaker 6>know that I like I said before, it's like I

0:55:23.800 --> 0:55:25.759
<v Speaker 6>know that when I'm on these shows, I'm a fucking

0:55:25.760 --> 0:55:28.640
<v Speaker 6>wrecking ball, like I don't do myself any favors. So like, no,

0:55:28.680 --> 0:55:32.120
<v Speaker 6>people are gonna have opinions about me. But yeah, it

0:55:32.160 --> 0:55:33.160
<v Speaker 6>was a little bit in my feelings.

0:55:33.200 --> 0:55:35.359
<v Speaker 4>Well next, Josh, I'm glad that we could talk.

0:55:35.719 --> 0:55:36.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm glad you told me.

0:55:36.680 --> 0:55:40.000
<v Speaker 5>Now, Sis, I'm dead serious, like, message me, hit me up,

0:55:40.040 --> 0:55:41.239
<v Speaker 5>call me, be like bitch, what the hell?

0:55:41.920 --> 0:55:44.800
<v Speaker 1>I like, I will all or not well no, meaning

0:55:45.120 --> 0:55:46.480
<v Speaker 1>like I'm not precious.

0:55:46.640 --> 0:55:49.640
<v Speaker 5>I'm not precious about it, like anytime. Keep to the

0:55:49.680 --> 0:55:52.240
<v Speaker 5>supporters who keeps riding with Josh and sending him clips

0:55:52.280 --> 0:55:55.719
<v Speaker 5>aka tattletales feel free and Josh, you can always hit

0:55:55.760 --> 0:55:57.360
<v Speaker 5>me up on anything I say or come on the

0:55:57.400 --> 0:55:58.520
<v Speaker 5>pod and we'll talk about it.

0:55:59.800 --> 0:56:01.080
<v Speaker 4>I'm I'm happy I did this.

0:56:01.160 --> 0:56:03.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah really yeah, same and thank you for coming. For sure.

0:56:04.360 --> 0:56:07.640
<v Speaker 2>One thing about this podcast, We're gonna get some reconciliation

0:56:07.960 --> 0:56:11.480
<v Speaker 2>over here. Okay, I love it. It makes me feel happy.

0:56:11.680 --> 0:56:15.200
<v Speaker 3>Josh. This is our final episode of the podcast for

0:56:15.320 --> 0:56:17.920
<v Speaker 3>this amazing, amazing season, and we want to give you

0:56:18.000 --> 0:56:21.319
<v Speaker 3>the last word on this season. Is there anything that

0:56:21.360 --> 0:56:22.359
<v Speaker 3>you want to leave us with?

0:56:22.760 --> 0:56:28.239
<v Speaker 4>Oh? Ah, y'all are gonna make me emotion damn oh

0:56:28.280 --> 0:56:30.799
<v Speaker 4>it's first of all, I fucking thank you so much

0:56:30.800 --> 0:56:31.279
<v Speaker 4>for having me.

0:56:31.520 --> 0:56:34.600
<v Speaker 6>Y'all are smashing it and I'm so happy. A huge

0:56:34.600 --> 0:56:36.720
<v Speaker 6>part of the success of this podcast is you guys,

0:56:36.760 --> 0:56:39.799
<v Speaker 6>so keep fucking We appreciate you, Josh the stars that

0:56:39.840 --> 0:56:44.680
<v Speaker 6>you are, but no, I being dude. The challenge has

0:56:44.760 --> 0:56:47.320
<v Speaker 6>changed my life and being part of the fortieth season,

0:56:48.000 --> 0:56:50.480
<v Speaker 6>I really walked onto the season with a little bit

0:56:50.520 --> 0:56:52.400
<v Speaker 6>of like I fell out of place. I was like,

0:56:53.600 --> 0:56:56.040
<v Speaker 6>the lineup was crazy. I think I was one of

0:56:56.040 --> 0:56:57.680
<v Speaker 6>the only guys that hadn't made a final and had

0:56:57.680 --> 0:56:59.319
<v Speaker 6>to one. I was like, it was like two I

0:56:59.320 --> 0:57:01.560
<v Speaker 6>think it was me and Island and everybody else, me,

0:57:01.680 --> 0:57:02.400
<v Speaker 6>Colin and Corey.

0:57:02.480 --> 0:57:04.440
<v Speaker 4>Everybody else was a champ. Everybody has made it to.

0:57:04.400 --> 0:57:06.719
<v Speaker 6>A final or not a champ, but like you know,

0:57:06.760 --> 0:57:09.759
<v Speaker 6>everybody made their Yeah, And I was like, damn, I

0:57:09.760 --> 0:57:12.200
<v Speaker 6>fell out of place, and as a season went on,

0:57:12.400 --> 0:57:14.200
<v Speaker 6>I kind of felt.

0:57:13.960 --> 0:57:14.640
<v Speaker 4>Like I belonged.

0:57:14.680 --> 0:57:16.320
<v Speaker 6>I was like, oh, no, I've done my thing. Like

0:57:16.760 --> 0:57:21.160
<v Speaker 6>not everybody's gonna have be the champion, have the easiest

0:57:21.200 --> 0:57:23.840
<v Speaker 6>ride to the end, be a multiple win, multiple seasons.

0:57:23.840 --> 0:57:24.000
<v Speaker 4>You know.

0:57:24.080 --> 0:57:26.720
<v Speaker 6>Not everybody's journeys like that. And my journey has been

0:57:26.760 --> 0:57:29.400
<v Speaker 6>fucking hard. It is really hard lost, have the loss

0:57:29.400 --> 0:57:31.919
<v Speaker 6>to continue to come back. But the growth that I've

0:57:31.960 --> 0:57:35.160
<v Speaker 6>gained as a competitor, as a man, and the person

0:57:35.160 --> 0:57:38.080
<v Speaker 6>that I've become because of the show has been thankfully

0:57:38.080 --> 0:57:39.960
<v Speaker 6>one of the biggest blessings in my life. And being

0:57:40.000 --> 0:57:42.560
<v Speaker 6>part of the fortieth season, playing with a bunch of

0:57:42.800 --> 0:57:45.800
<v Speaker 6>icons and kind of you know, I think I made

0:57:45.800 --> 0:57:46.960
<v Speaker 6>a little bit of a splash.

0:57:47.120 --> 0:57:51.080
<v Speaker 5>You did know You're an essential. You deserve to be there,

0:57:51.360 --> 0:57:54.440
<v Speaker 5>your part. You were there for a reason. You have

0:57:55.000 --> 0:57:56.840
<v Speaker 5>and I say this as a real worlder who we

0:57:56.840 --> 0:58:00.000
<v Speaker 5>were fiercely protecting. You have made your mark on two

0:58:00.160 --> 0:58:03.040
<v Speaker 5>amazing franchises like you are just as we claim you,

0:58:03.280 --> 0:58:05.720
<v Speaker 5>just as much like on The Challenge as a Challenger

0:58:06.120 --> 0:58:09.240
<v Speaker 5>as Big Brother, and it's it's while a win is great,

0:58:09.280 --> 0:58:12.800
<v Speaker 5>and I do believe as you lean into this selfish era,

0:58:12.880 --> 0:58:14.800
<v Speaker 5>like good selfish, gameplay, selfish.

0:58:15.160 --> 0:58:16.360
<v Speaker 1>I think you could take it all.

0:58:16.280 --> 0:58:20.120
<v Speaker 5>The way you even without a win, You've become you're

0:58:20.120 --> 0:58:22.480
<v Speaker 5>a part of the conversation, Like you have made your

0:58:22.520 --> 0:58:25.960
<v Speaker 5>mark on the show for sure, And yeah, we're like

0:58:26.280 --> 0:58:28.480
<v Speaker 5>proud of you, very proud of you for watching your growth.

0:58:28.880 --> 0:58:29.400
<v Speaker 4>Thank you.

0:58:29.440 --> 0:58:32.360
<v Speaker 6>No, it was it was one of like, even towards

0:58:32.400 --> 0:58:34.160
<v Speaker 6>the end, I was like, Wow, I just would wake

0:58:34.240 --> 0:58:36.000
<v Speaker 6>up so excited and so grateful, and I was like,

0:58:36.040 --> 0:58:38.040
<v Speaker 6>holy shit to be around these people and just be

0:58:38.120 --> 0:58:40.480
<v Speaker 6>part of it. It was truly fucking one of a

0:58:40.600 --> 0:58:43.840
<v Speaker 6>very special season. But yeah, when I come back and

0:58:43.880 --> 0:58:46.560
<v Speaker 6>I'm in my villain era and I'm a dighead, you

0:58:46.560 --> 0:58:47.520
<v Speaker 6>guys created this.

0:58:47.400 --> 0:58:51.840
<v Speaker 5>Bo Okay, Okay, we're not saying the dickhead I am.

0:58:52.240 --> 0:58:52.920
<v Speaker 3>I am.

0:58:53.320 --> 0:58:56.160
<v Speaker 1>We're just saying you can't make promises. You can't go

0:58:56.280 --> 0:58:56.720
<v Speaker 1>into the.

0:58:56.640 --> 0:58:59.000
<v Speaker 5>Grocery store with five dollars in your pocket and try

0:58:59.000 --> 0:59:01.160
<v Speaker 5>and get twenty dollars with them merchandise, So you can't

0:59:01.200 --> 0:59:05.320
<v Speaker 5>promise to save everybody.

0:59:03.440 --> 0:59:10.280
<v Speaker 2>I'm lie, friend, Lie, Lie friend, Lie, Oh God, here

0:59:10.320 --> 0:59:10.560
<v Speaker 2>we go.

0:59:10.640 --> 0:59:12.240
<v Speaker 4>And I'm like, you know what, I'm done with the

0:59:12.280 --> 0:59:13.480
<v Speaker 4>Knights created a monster.

0:59:14.800 --> 0:59:17.880
<v Speaker 6>And so when your boy comes back on ten and

0:59:18.080 --> 0:59:21.680
<v Speaker 6>you fluckers online and in the house, you guys created

0:59:21.680 --> 0:59:22.240
<v Speaker 6>this monster.

0:59:22.520 --> 0:59:26.120
<v Speaker 3>Boy, oh boy, we will be set. We will be

0:59:26.440 --> 0:59:29.439
<v Speaker 3>set until you enter that villain era.

0:59:29.880 --> 0:59:34.040
<v Speaker 2>Where can the people fine, the sweet, loving, carrying josh On,

0:59:34.080 --> 0:59:36.080
<v Speaker 2>the socials of the media on.

0:59:36.360 --> 0:59:38.880
<v Speaker 4>Nothing continue to the solid.

0:59:41.320 --> 0:59:43.640
<v Speaker 6>If you followed me and have supported me throughout all

0:59:43.680 --> 0:59:47.520
<v Speaker 6>these years, I love you, guys. Listen the good, the bad,

0:59:47.720 --> 0:59:50.600
<v Speaker 6>all of it, all of it, every single the person

0:59:50.640 --> 0:59:52.520
<v Speaker 6>that takes time out of their day to send hate

0:59:52.520 --> 0:59:54.160
<v Speaker 6>my way, thank you. I love all of you, guys.

0:59:54.160 --> 0:59:56.360
<v Speaker 6>I've learned to embrace it. I know that it comes

0:59:56.400 --> 0:59:59.040
<v Speaker 6>with the territory of being on TV. I fucking love

0:59:59.080 --> 1:00:01.960
<v Speaker 6>this life. I love what I do. I love doing

1:00:01.960 --> 1:00:05.160
<v Speaker 6>this show. So at this point I'm numb to it.

1:00:05.360 --> 1:00:09.480
<v Speaker 6>Just whatever opinion you have on me, you know, double

1:00:09.600 --> 1:00:12.320
<v Speaker 6>up on it and no I I yeah, I'm just

1:00:12.320 --> 1:00:14.280
<v Speaker 6>my heart is feeling grateful. And I love you guys,

1:00:14.280 --> 1:00:17.600
<v Speaker 6>and just keep supporting the Challenge podcast man again, way

1:00:17.640 --> 1:00:18.520
<v Speaker 6>more way more.

1:00:18.400 --> 1:00:19.880
<v Speaker 4>Awards come on.

1:00:20.000 --> 1:00:20.560
<v Speaker 1>Thank you?

1:00:21.080 --> 1:00:23.560
<v Speaker 2>And he lying because we saw him flexing on Instagram

1:00:23.560 --> 1:00:26.000
<v Speaker 2>about all the other shows that.

1:00:26.760 --> 1:00:28.720
<v Speaker 1>Making out with somebody in a pool somewhere.

1:00:28.800 --> 1:00:37.520
<v Speaker 4>I think our time is done. I think we I

1:00:37.560 --> 1:00:38.280
<v Speaker 4>think we're done.

1:00:41.480 --> 1:00:43.919
<v Speaker 5>Remember you don't have to be an expert to help

1:00:43.920 --> 1:00:47.080
<v Speaker 5>a friend. Just ask acknowledged support and keep in touch

1:00:47.160 --> 1:00:56.040
<v Speaker 5>and for more information go to ask to help dot com.

1:00:56.160 --> 1:01:01.280
<v Speaker 5>I'm so glad that we had Josh on love and

1:01:01.360 --> 1:01:04.480
<v Speaker 5>love that we got to clear some stuff up apparently.

1:01:05.040 --> 1:01:07.800
<v Speaker 5>But Josh's he's just so great and I'm excited. I

1:01:07.880 --> 1:01:11.080
<v Speaker 5>like watching his evolution in the game, and I know

1:01:11.160 --> 1:01:14.640
<v Speaker 5>you ride hard for him. I feel like sometimes we're

1:01:14.680 --> 1:01:16.600
<v Speaker 5>like mom and dad, you know, good come back.

1:01:17.520 --> 1:01:19.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you need a little bit of that balance.

1:01:19.240 --> 1:01:21.040
<v Speaker 5>But I'm glad that he gave us some insight, kept

1:01:21.080 --> 1:01:23.880
<v Speaker 5>it all the way one hundred and to hear that

1:01:23.920 --> 1:01:26.000
<v Speaker 5>he didn't feel like he deserved to be at forty, like,

1:01:26.400 --> 1:01:28.200
<v Speaker 5>I really hope that he recognizes that he does.

1:01:28.200 --> 1:01:31.560
<v Speaker 1>Because Josh has become a staple in the show, yeah

1:01:31.680 --> 1:01:33.800
<v Speaker 1>you think, yeah, yeah, absolutely for.

1:01:33.760 --> 1:01:36.040
<v Speaker 5>Sure for people who want to be a staple in

1:01:36.080 --> 1:01:40.800
<v Speaker 5>your life day or just nosy and who want to

1:01:42.280 --> 1:01:47.360
<v Speaker 5>watch All Stars five along with you as our girl

1:01:47.560 --> 1:01:48.840
<v Speaker 5>makes her come back.

1:01:48.920 --> 1:01:51.400
<v Speaker 1>We've been working on her for years to do this

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<v Speaker 1>where can they find you on social well?

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<v Speaker 2>As of January twenty ninth, twenty twenty five, you can

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<v Speaker 2>find me on MTV four All Stars Season five, catch

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<v Speaker 2>me before I go into retirement, because this isn't it okay.

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<v Speaker 3>So make sure you catch me there. You can also

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<v Speaker 3>catch me on all of the social.

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<v Speaker 2>Media's at Davon Diane underscore, I'm going to be a

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<v Speaker 2>lot more active, especially since you know now I got

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<v Speaker 2>something to talk about.

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<v Speaker 3>So I'm going to be a lot more active.

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<v Speaker 2>And uh yeah, you can find me in Devin's comments

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<v Speaker 2>on her social media's which are.

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<v Speaker 5>She's saying that because I commented on her social media

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<v Speaker 5>yesterday and her asking and find it all right? So

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<v Speaker 5>but you can find me on socials and cheering along

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<v Speaker 5>Davon for sure. You can find me at devinsmone dot com.

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<v Speaker 5>That's seven with y Simone with an I dot com.

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<v Speaker 5>You can find me on Amazon Live doing some really

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<v Speaker 5>fun stuff. They'll go to my Instagram and you should

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<v Speaker 5>be able to see clips of that at Devinsmone Den

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<v Speaker 5>with Wismoth and I. It's all the same on TikTok, Snapchat, Twitter, YouTube,

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<v Speaker 5>you name it.

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<v Speaker 1>I am there.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm getting more into my like showing up part of

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<v Speaker 5>my personal life this year on social that's a part

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<v Speaker 5>of it all, so you'll get to see a little

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<v Speaker 5>bit more insight and all the things.

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<v Speaker 1>And you, guys, we love you. I know, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>We talk a lot of smack here. It's our job.

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<v Speaker 5>If we didn't, we'd get fired. So but we appreciate

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<v Speaker 5>your support so so much. This podcast is just as

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<v Speaker 5>much ours as it is yours.

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<v Speaker 1>So thank you for.

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<v Speaker 5>Tuning in this season, for listening, for writing with all

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<v Speaker 5>the challenges, your favorites, the ones you love to hate,

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<v Speaker 5>all the things do remember that they are people. Please

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<v Speaker 1>But thank you for joining us for.

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<v Speaker 2>And season forty might be done, but the Challenge never sleeps.

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