Speaker 1: What's up everyone. It's me Devin Simone and.
Speaker 2: It is me Davon Rogers, and this is MTV's official
Speaker 2: challenge podcast.
Speaker 3: Devin, what are you gonna do without me?
Speaker 4: What do you do?
Speaker 5: I'm gonna miss you so much, but I'm excited to
Speaker 5: watch you on All Stars five and uh, you know,
Speaker 5: give my own personal commentary, even if it's to myself,
Speaker 5: my husband, and to you. I'm gonna just be texting
Speaker 5: you unsolicited. Davon, I saw that you did this, but
Speaker 5: I'm so happy to putting me in time out. Yes,
Speaker 5: so excited to watch our girl, so happy that she
Speaker 5: is back, and I know many of you guys are too.
Speaker 1: Day you're gonna miss me.
Speaker 3: I am, I am, I am, I am, I am.
Speaker 2: I'm always excited and so glad that they asked us
Speaker 2: to do this podcast together. I've learned so much from you,
Speaker 2: and I've said that publicly before and I will always
Speaker 2: say it. You've taught me so much about this whole
Speaker 2: podcast and thing and just hosting and talking, and so
Speaker 2: I appreciate you and all your journalism that you've done
Speaker 2: spilled over into my life.
Speaker 1: You are a natural and I do love and adore
Speaker 1: you and our friendship. I love our working relationship.
Speaker 5: I love our friendship too, and we love you guys
Speaker 5: for listening and listening to our shenanigans and chiming in
Speaker 5: on your takes of things.
Speaker 1: Speaking of takes, so Day and I.
Speaker 5: Had homework which was to come with who we thought
Speaker 5: we represented as actors and actresses. You guys have been
Speaker 5: giving us such great takes all season longs if you
Speaker 5: guys have agreed with our takes. If you guys haven't,
Speaker 5: but we've appreciated the conversation. We love including you in it.
Speaker 5: So Day, I'm gonna throw it over to you.
Speaker 3: Okay, who do you think you are?
Speaker 5: Your career, your Challenge career, or just your TV career
Speaker 5: I guess maybe even your competition career. How does that
Speaker 5: compare to a famous actor?
Speaker 3: All right?
Speaker 2: So I was thinking about this and just just walk
Speaker 2: with me, people, because when I say this name, you're
Speaker 2: gonna be like, like, just walk with me people, Okay.
Speaker 3: So I would say for the.
Speaker 2: Challenge, I think I am the Taraji Pon of the
Speaker 2: Challenge And this is why I think when Tarahi came out,
Speaker 2: she came out swinging. In my very first season of
Speaker 2: the Challenge. I came out swinging, and everything we have
Speaker 2: seen her in since the first thing we saw her
Speaker 2: in has just been better and better and better. And
Speaker 2: I believe that every season that I've done since my
Speaker 2: first season has.
Speaker 3: Been better and better.
Speaker 2: And who knows what's gonna happen at saying.
Speaker 3: Nothing I can go home first. We don't know, but.
Speaker 2: I just feel like I have continuously gotten better. And
Speaker 2: then I also believe that when we see her name
Speaker 2: on a cast, we know we are about to be
Speaker 2: thoroughly entertained because my girl is going to show up
Speaker 2: on screen and she is going to bring it.
Speaker 3: And I believe that can be said about me as well.
Speaker 2: Now, if you think that I'm somebody else, keep it
Speaker 2: to yourself, and I'm going to.
Speaker 1: Tell you right now who you are. Okay.
Speaker 5: Now, it's gonna take a minute for it to click,
Speaker 5: and I'm talking to you our challenge listeners as well.
Speaker 1: All right, so take a second to click, but just
Speaker 1: sit with it, and you will see.
Speaker 5: That I think I'm frank. This person is talented. They
Speaker 5: are funny, and they've shown.
Speaker 1: They have range. Now, okay, because.
Speaker 5: They came out doing the funny, but they've also done
Speaker 5: some serious roles and have been nominated for awards on
Speaker 5: that too, So they're they're good across the line, right,
Speaker 5: they play well with others, they're beloved, they're a fan favorite.
Speaker 5: I say, DeVaughn Is Melissa McCarthy, me, yes, I think
Speaker 5: you're a Elizabe McCarthy. Melisa McCarthy, start right, right, But
Speaker 5: she's done some serious roles too and done a great job.
Speaker 5: And I'm saying that because you've killed it on Big
Speaker 5: Brother and you've left a mark on the challe.
Speaker 1: You've shown that you can get to see that, Melissa.
Speaker 3: McCarthy, I could see that. You know now I am
Speaker 3: officially a double All Star, so maybe you know that's crazy.
Speaker 3: I never thought about that. I can see that. I
Speaker 3: can see that.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, who are you? Okay?
Speaker 5: So mine is between two and here's my first thought
Speaker 5: was who came out and did to you know, call
Speaker 5: him memorable? It sounds I feel weird saying that, but fine, whatever.
Speaker 5: This is just basically the bag of poses, done memorable
Speaker 5: moments and then like went on to something.
Speaker 1: Else, like like just kind of left, you know what.
Speaker 5: So this there's two, but there's one that I think
Speaker 5: probably represents more than the other the people, the actresses
Speaker 5: or actors. I think that my career might be similar
Speaker 5: to would be Drew Barrymore or Eva Longoria, Eva Longoria.
Speaker 1: Desperate Housewives killed it Down, iconic Gabby Salise, I mean
Speaker 1: she will for ever be the icon.
Speaker 5: But Eva now is in her directing bag, in her
Speaker 5: producing bag, and her creating shows back like Eva is,
Speaker 5: check her up on social media. That girl didn't disappear.
Speaker 5: She's just doing other things and doing them very well.
Speaker 5: And then Drew, of course is killing it with the
Speaker 5: talk show, hosting game right, rubin Oprah's arm and other things,
Speaker 5: and she's still beloved for the movie she's done. So
Speaker 5: those are the two that I feel like, you know,
Speaker 5: but Drew was a child star.
Speaker 1: I wasn't really a child star.
Speaker 3: I can see Drew.
Speaker 2: I can see Drew because Drew definitely is an icon,
Speaker 2: and I've always loved me some Drew Barrymore. And then
Speaker 2: even like, and I'm gonna get a little personal, Devin
Speaker 2: and I have had some sisterhood conversations. So even that
Speaker 2: nurturing comforter that Drew is, I do that as well.
Speaker 3: Right, So yeah, I think I'm gonna put my vote
Speaker 3: in for Drew.
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 2: What do y'all think? Yeah, what do y'all think? We
Speaker 2: want to know what you guys think? That's our last
Speaker 2: good fin we do.
Speaker 1: And yeah, Dan and I confirmed we did win. We
Speaker 1: should have gone to the award show. We had some
Speaker 1: scheduled conflicts, so we couldn't make it.
Speaker 5: Now in hindsight, so thank you to the Reality TV
Speaker 5: Awards for We'd like to thank the Academy for letting
Speaker 5: our podcast win. We were up against some heavy hitters
Speaker 5: and quite frankly, I didn't think we would win. Yeah,
Speaker 5: it's an honor. It's an honor to be a part
Speaker 5: of this Challenge podcast family. And with Day and Anissa
Speaker 5: and Tory, our producer Nicole, we couldn't do it without
Speaker 5: Nicole dealing with our nonsense.
Speaker 1: And you guys are listening so very much. Thank you.
Speaker 1: We appreciate you. We appreciate the gold star.
Speaker 5: And with that, Day, who are you giving your gold
Speaker 5: star for both the reunion and the season two?
Speaker 2: So I just have one gold star across the board.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying one person. I'm saying for the reunion
Speaker 2: and for the season I'm going to give my gold
Speaker 2: star to the cast of Challenge Season forty. Of The
Speaker 2: Challenge Season forty, tony facts he is not allowed to
Speaker 2: be on this entire situation of the gold Star. I'm
Speaker 2: gonna put him in time out, and I need everybody
Speaker 2: else to come.
Speaker 3: Over here and take a class photo. That's for me.
Speaker 3: How about you?
Speaker 5: I were similar ish, I'm gonna give my gold star too.
Speaker 4: Well.
Speaker 5: I do want to give really quick props to Jordan
Speaker 5: for handing his props to CTA and Bananas when he
Speaker 5: was assigned the goat. I thought that was such a
Speaker 5: beautiful moment. Johnny's face looked sick when that result came out,
Speaker 5: and I don't necessarily blame him, but I appreciate Jordan
Speaker 5: honoring that.
Speaker 1: It's true.
Speaker 5: Look, bananas, when you go in other circles, people don't
Speaker 5: talk about.
Speaker 1: The challenges that talking about banas. You just don't it.
Speaker 1: Just I mean, like, and same with ct like.
Speaker 5: So yeah, So I love that Jordan at least did
Speaker 5: that because they I think they all are in the
Speaker 5: conversation of the goats and I think they're amazing, So
Speaker 5: props to him, But ultimately my gold star goes to
Speaker 5: the women of the cast this Sea, because let's be
Speaker 5: clear if we took out those women, this season would
Speaker 5: have been born as hell. I mean, the women were
Speaker 5: the ones who kept the feuds going when Devin got out,
Speaker 5: Who kept it interesting, who fired big shots?
Speaker 1: Who stood on business times ten.
Speaker 5: I'm talking Avery and Tory and Michelle and Rachel being
Speaker 5: the only one down, the ol one left on her
Speaker 5: team and still going like these ladies did the business.
Speaker 5: And I am so incredibly proud of them, proud to
Speaker 5: be a part of that group and the hopefully the
Speaker 5: inspiration that they show to people watching of just like
Speaker 5: it's cool to be a strong female. And I will
Speaker 5: just say on a personal note, growing up, I always
Speaker 5: had muscles as a kid, and I was very self
Speaker 5: conscious about them as a girl because I looked stronger
Speaker 5: than the boys and I would get teased because of it.
Speaker 5: So I appreciate and love the representation of being a beautiful,
Speaker 5: strong woman and holding it down.
Speaker 1: So cheers to you, ladies.
Speaker 5: Who gets your time out of the season or of
Speaker 5: the reunion.
Speaker 2: Tony the season, the reunion, the next season and all
Speaker 2: move forward like, because what's going on? Then you're gonna
Speaker 2: show us your drawls with the hole in it. Oh,
Speaker 2: thank you sir, did you catch that.
Speaker 5: That dog even looked up to him like he was lying.
Speaker 5: The dog was lying on the couch. And when they
Speaker 5: were like when Maria was like, Tony, did you go home?
Speaker 5: Because you just like wanted to be home for Eastern
Speaker 5: he was like, no, I kid, you not go rewind
Speaker 5: that the dog's head pops up and.
Speaker 1: Looks at him like this fool. Yeah, even the.
Speaker 3: Dogs told us he was coming home, right right.
Speaker 1: You told me a new bag of kibble would be here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I get you.
Speaker 2: I'm so excited about this season and I'm so thankful
Speaker 2: that we got an opportunity to be a part of it.
Speaker 2: Both they're in Vietnam as well as here covering it
Speaker 2: in the podcast.
Speaker 3: But I am excited about this final episode.
Speaker 2: Yes, we finally got my baby on the podcast.
Speaker 3: Now he's been running from us, but he is finally here.
Speaker 3: Friends and family pay attention. So we have Josh Martinez
Speaker 3: on the podcast after this.
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, I'm so excited because our final we
Speaker 2: say the best in my opinion, for last, we got
Speaker 2: my baby.
Speaker 3: My little brother is here. Let's give it up for.
Speaker 2: Mister Josh Martinez has come to the podcast.
Speaker 4: I love you so much.
Speaker 3: Welcome.
Speaker 2: I want to start it off because you had to
Speaker 2: go toe to toe with a lot of your air
Speaker 2: quotes people.
Speaker 3: That's why we need.
Speaker 5: Visuals, your free vacation alliance, your friends.
Speaker 3: You had to go toe to toe with a lot of
Speaker 3: your friends.
Speaker 2: Like how And we can see in the reunion that
Speaker 2: that really took a toll on you, Like we know
Speaker 2: that you cried.
Speaker 3: I cried too. We in tune what our feelings. It is,
Speaker 3: what it is, But.
Speaker 2: You can see that you were really broken by it.
Speaker 2: How are you all now?
Speaker 4: Yeah, damn, you're starting off strong.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because I want you to tell you a story.
Speaker 6: I think the reason why I was so emotional at
Speaker 6: the reunion was because leading up to it, there still
Speaker 6: wasn't a conversation that was had I hadn't talked to Casey,
Speaker 6: I hadn't talked to Devin.
Speaker 4: You know, I've been friends with these people for so long.
Speaker 6: You know when it's not right, you know when it's
Speaker 6: not like that, it's rocky and something doesn't feel right.
Speaker 5: Had you reached out to them and they just weren't responsive,
Speaker 5: or had you guys just been so busy you hadn't
Speaker 5: really had time to connect between you know, airing and
Speaker 5: before going on the reunion.
Speaker 6: Well, I think Casey was just checked out with the season,
Speaker 6: and then obviously there was things going on in our
Speaker 6: personal lives where like it just didn't seem important.
Speaker 4: So me and Casey hadn't talked about it. But then
Speaker 4: I saw the episode air where she called me a
Speaker 4: liability and I was like, oh shit, yeah, so all.
Speaker 6: Of those feelings, you know, reliving the whole thing came
Speaker 6: back up. But me and Devin yet we hadn't talked.
Speaker 6: We tried, but it was always like it was awkward,
Speaker 6: and I'm like, damn, our relationship did not feel the same.
Speaker 4: It did not feel the same, if I'm being honest.
Speaker 6: And those were the two relations those were there two
Speaker 6: people within my friendships going in that I felt so
Speaker 6: solid with. To then walk away from the season and
Speaker 6: not be how we once were that was really hard.
Speaker 1: So so where are you now? Do you feel better
Speaker 1: with both? They're like we're okay, yeah, but not the same.
Speaker 4: It's not the same.
Speaker 5: No, it's yeah, do you think it'll be able to
Speaker 5: become this?
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 5: Do you think it just needs more time? Or do
Speaker 5: you guys think that there's do you think there's been
Speaker 5: a fundamental shift, just that like, you know, you'll be cool,
Speaker 5: but it'll.
Speaker 1: Never be what it was.
Speaker 6: This is and I said this, I did like a
Speaker 6: little post about it because people always ask me. I
Speaker 6: think the thing is, I'm always gonna have so much
Speaker 6: love for them, like these people, I get it. Some
Speaker 6: people are like, oh, the vacational line. The reality is
Speaker 6: like we just all connected and bonded. I think it
Speaker 6: was season thirty seven where we all kind of clicked.
Speaker 6: But the reality is when we're not on the show,
Speaker 6: the people that I reach out to the people that
Speaker 6: understand what the fuck I'm going through because back at home,
Speaker 6: my family and friends don't get what it is to
Speaker 6: be right, what it is to do with the fans online.
Speaker 6: So they're the ones that I call, And those are
Speaker 6: the people, you know, they have been the people that
Speaker 6: have given me strength to be like, nah, you're good,
Speaker 6: come back, You're gonna be fine. Ignore that shit because
Speaker 6: they're in the same shoes as me, so they get it.
Speaker 4: So they've been such a big.
Speaker 6: Support system for me that for me to throw that
Speaker 6: friendship away when I was down bad mentally and people
Speaker 6: didn't know, and they were the ones that I would
Speaker 6: call that's stupid over a game. So do I feel
Speaker 6: like right now if I saw them everything would be okay. Yeah,
Speaker 6: there's so much love, there, so much history. But in reality,
Speaker 6: if we were if we were thrown back into a game,
Speaker 6: I don't know how.
Speaker 4: That would shake up.
Speaker 6: Yeah, And that that's the hard part that it's like,
Speaker 6: I mean it would we would just have to see.
Speaker 6: But I just don't know if we would play as closely.
Speaker 6: I don't know, if not from my end, from their end.
Speaker 6: I don't know if they could tell me that, but
Speaker 6: I don't feel that. I don't feel like they would
Speaker 6: be okay with me moving forward, just because of how
Speaker 6: everything went downe with Rachel. I feel like Devin and
Speaker 6: Casey feel really crossed by that. So I think that
Speaker 6: that's where it's going to be telling, like whatever we
Speaker 6: do end up playing together again, you know how we
Speaker 6: where we stand.
Speaker 4: Because right now it's good.
Speaker 6: I don't bring that shit home, like I have love
Speaker 6: for them doesn't feel the same, No, But I don't
Speaker 6: have anything bad to say about them.
Speaker 4: But yeah, the friendship definitely felt a little.
Speaker 3: It's hard when you don't bring it home but other
Speaker 3: people do. And it's like the game is over.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to move on, but there's so that wall there,
Speaker 2: so it's awkward. Do you think you have been evicted
Speaker 2: Fromfication Alliance?
Speaker 6: I don't think I've been evicted, but questioning my stance
Speaker 6: And that's the frustrating part because everybody's like, ah, Josh
Speaker 6: has all these friendships and all these times, and yeah
Speaker 6: I do. I'm not denying it, but in all reality,
Speaker 6: like I would have gone against anybody else if it
Speaker 6: wasn't Rachel or Johnny like a vation alliance.
Speaker 4: Those were my two closest friends.
Speaker 6: So it's tough when they were at odds and I
Speaker 6: was kind of forced to pick a side.
Speaker 4: I don't know, and then you know, Devin and Johnny
Speaker 4: have their history. That's all my battle. I thought I
Speaker 4: was doing right by staying out of it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, that's fair. That puts you in a tough spot.
Speaker 5: Do you feel like there's an unequal balance of power
Speaker 5: in the Vacation Alliance because even on at the reunion,
Speaker 5: we see the questions sort of directed to Devin, right,
Speaker 5: and he's the one saying there'll be an internal review,
Speaker 5: and then john A expressed she felt like the vacation alliance,
Speaker 5: not that she was necessarily a part of it, but
Speaker 5: that essentially they were trying to push her out or
Speaker 5: that she got got backed.
Speaker 1: In a corner.
Speaker 5: And again, it felt sort of led by Devin, like
Speaker 5: he's the king of it all. So do you feel like, yeah,
Speaker 5: that there's an unfair, you know, sort of hierarchy in
Speaker 5: it rather than it being an actual group equal, group dynamic.
Speaker 4: What a question. Thank you damn.
Speaker 6: That's a good one, because, to be honest with you,
Speaker 6: before this season, I didn't feel that. That's where I
Speaker 6: started getting turned off by them.
Speaker 4: That definitely started to feel like that. It felt like
Speaker 4: Devin was calling the shots. Yep, that was never our dynamic.
Speaker 6: Me and Devin played well together on thirty seven because
Speaker 6: he had his people, I had my people, and we
Speaker 6: were allowed to play our own games within that protecting
Speaker 6: each other. Right, it definitely felt like he was you know,
Speaker 6: like when when ERA four we went a lot of dailies,
Speaker 6: so they were expecting me to influence my team, But
Speaker 6: I'm like, bro, you got Corey beating the shit out
Speaker 6: of the field during the challenge. There's no way I'm
Speaker 6: going to sway this man to save Era three now.
Speaker 6: So even before it even came down to him being
Speaker 6: thrown in by Rachel, there was already tension with us,
Speaker 6: like building up because they thought that I was going
Speaker 6: to sway my team and I'm like, bro, I can't
Speaker 6: sway that, Like, yeah, there is no way he's not
Speaker 6: gonna throw in when Corey was obviously taking shots at
Speaker 6: us and cutting deals to screw Aero for So, yeah,
Speaker 6: there was that tension. But yeah, I definitely felt like
Speaker 6: this time around, Devon was trying to take control of
Speaker 6: the whole squad. And obviously I think Toy was okay
Speaker 6: with it because they were in the same team and
Speaker 6: Tory and Devin are like this, But yeah, it definitely
Speaker 6: did feel that way. And I think that that's just
Speaker 6: a conversation that when we do play together, that we're
Speaker 6: just gonna have toime because he knows that I don't
Speaker 6: play well with that time.
Speaker 4: I don't do well with.
Speaker 1: Him dictatorship, Yeah, don't.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and correct me if I can't. I don't deal
Speaker 4: with that shit.
Speaker 3: Correct me if I'm wrong.
Speaker 2: Because I'm trying to think back to when the Vacation
Speaker 2: Alliance was first introduced.
Speaker 3: I don't recall Devon being in it. Didn't he get
Speaker 3: edited on later?
Speaker 4: No, he was. This is the thing, I don't even
Speaker 4: know when we became the Vacation Alliance, Like the fans
Speaker 4: created that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, readit. You'll find the origins on Reddit.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah, all these like tea accounts created that. So it's
Speaker 6: like we never really named each other that.
Speaker 7: But it really where we became a core, Where we
Speaker 7: became like a unit, if you want to say, was
Speaker 7: on thirty seven where Nani in Fessi and Casey were like,
Speaker 7: all my there were my people, and then it was Torri,
Speaker 7: Anissa and Devin and they were kind of on the
Speaker 7: other side and we just linked up and that we
Speaker 7: became kind of, you know, a crew because I had
Speaker 7: traveled with them before that season.
Speaker 6: We went to Mexico, we got invited on a influencer trip,
Speaker 6: if you want to say, and then that's where that
Speaker 6: all originated from.
Speaker 4: And then after that we went on vacation together. But
Speaker 4: that's where it started.
Speaker 5: We kind of talked about that on the Challenge Aftermath.
Speaker 5: It's actually still on YouTube for those listening who want
Speaker 5: to see it. The whole season of Spieslies and Allies
Speaker 5: after Math is there and you can see it sort
Speaker 5: of developing, and then it definitely felt like an equal dynamic,
Speaker 5: like a group as a whole versus because like now
Speaker 5: the Vacation Alliance kind of feels like the same crap
Speaker 5: they gave Johnny for, you know, Johnny's Angels, it's.
Speaker 1: Kind of feeling that way, but like Devin's.
Speaker 5: You know, people, at least in this particular season, What
Speaker 5: are your thoughts about the controversial self nominating I feel
Speaker 5: like this is a conversation that's been going on for
Speaker 5: a very long time in the challenge and how, you.
Speaker 1: Know, people do it.
Speaker 5: Some people think it's super dumb, some people think it's
Speaker 5: very smart, some people think it's honorable. You know, john
Speaker 5: A felt like she was really forced to do it.
Speaker 5: You said you would do it and then backed out,
Speaker 5: which was a hilarious sort of montage.
Speaker 1: You're like split screen.
Speaker 5: To see why when you're like ct Yeah, what are
Speaker 5: your thoughts about it now?
Speaker 4: I think it's stupid.
Speaker 6: I think it defeated and made for boring TV that
Speaker 6: was set up to cause so much chaos, Like.
Speaker 4: I'm calling you while I'm putting you in danger. Your
Speaker 4: ass is going in Let's start a fucking fight and
Speaker 4: I think Brad was the one that set that off, and.
Speaker 6: I was like, no, no, no, no, no, listen, I'm gonna
Speaker 6: say here. I'm gonna say it on the podcast. I'm
Speaker 6: gonna announce it. I'll tweet it. Your boy doesn't want
Speaker 6: to go down in the sand. My fucking social game
Speaker 6: is impeccable. I will get I always get to the end.
Speaker 6: I don't need to see the sand. I don't want
Speaker 6: to see this. The purpose is not to see the sand.
Speaker 6: You guys can have all your elimination wins and I
Speaker 6: can avoid that shit. I'm gonna do it. So when
Speaker 6: the game turned into I'm a nominated one week, you're
Speaker 6: gonna nominate, I'm like, why would I do that when I'm.
Speaker 4: Sitting prey Yeah, n and my girls are never gonna
Speaker 4: say my name yea. So it just I I didn't
Speaker 4: like it obviously.
Speaker 5: So yeah, I think there's a time and a place.
Speaker 5: I think, like, you know, there was the iconic moment.
Speaker 5: It was funny seeing Jordan's say on that stage, like
Speaker 5: you know, you don't self nominate to go into the sand,
Speaker 5: you know, like you're just self nominating to be a target.
Speaker 5: You don't self nominate to go into the sand, going
Speaker 5: to sands dumb when he obviously had one of the
Speaker 5: most memorable moments in Challenge history of self dominating going
Speaker 5: into the sand and it not working out in his favor.
Speaker 5: There are times that I think, because Day and I
Speaker 5: have debated about this on the podcast, that I think
Speaker 5: it works to create goodwill with your team, Like I
Speaker 5: think they are strategic moments to use it. I don't
Speaker 5: blame you, Josh for seeing that CT was talking and
Speaker 5: be like, I don't want to go that makes sense.
Speaker 4: Yeah, No, well, I'm glad two points. I'm glad that you.
Speaker 6: Said that because what I realized as soon as we
Speaker 6: left the sand and I got on the bus, oh
Speaker 6: Air four wasn't.
Speaker 4: Even looking my way.
Speaker 6: Oh the awkwardness, the tension. So I was like, you
Speaker 6: know what, I screwed them. The next one I'm going
Speaker 6: to take it. And that's the next one I did
Speaker 6: self nominate. Yeah, because we had such a good team dynamic.
Speaker 6: We were competing so well together, we were getting along
Speaker 6: so well that I didn't want to be well I
Speaker 6: was the one to kind of like fuck it up,
Speaker 6: and I was like, you know what, let me do
Speaker 6: my right, Like, let me fix that.
Speaker 4: And then after that we were good.
Speaker 6: We were smooth sailing, but exactly what you said, like
Speaker 6: for the team morale, the team dynamic. I realized that
Speaker 6: that was a wrong move in kind of crossing them,
Speaker 6: so I learned from it and I changed it.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 6: The reason why I backed down in that moment was
Speaker 6: I was all in. I was all in, and see
Speaker 6: Rachel comes up to me walking into the sand and goes,
Speaker 6: don't go in back out.
Speaker 4: See, she just heard that you'reself nominating. So he's gonna
Speaker 4: self nominate. But he went up to a Era one
Speaker 4: and was like, I'm going in, Like I want to
Speaker 4: go in. I'm gonna nominate myself. I'm good. So Rachel
Speaker 4: instantly runs over to me.
Speaker 6: I don't know if she's I mean, it's not really,
Speaker 6: it's irrelevant, but she comes over to me and she
Speaker 6: says that, and.
Speaker 4: I'm like, oh fuck that. Yeah, you know, she kind
Speaker 4: of looked out for me in that moment, and I'm
Speaker 4: glad she did. Either way, I think we were gonna
Speaker 4: be good. Well we ended up winning. Didn't we win
Speaker 4: that daily? I think we won that daily? Confirm me.
Speaker 6: She was like, yeah, he wants herself he heard the
Speaker 6: names that were being thrown around, and he wanted a
Speaker 6: self nominated So I was like, no, I'm good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it sounds like ches to me.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, chess to me. Yeah, no, I agree.
Speaker 2: I thought about you when it came back to you,
Speaker 2: you was like, oh, I'm done, goodbye.
Speaker 4: No, I am good. I am so good off that. Yeah.
Speaker 3: What are the on the Bananas Angels Alliance?
Speaker 6: It's funny because I fucking love all of them and
Speaker 6: I get along with them, and I was kind of
Speaker 6: essentially protected by them. Also, I wasn't Indie Angels, but
Speaker 6: I mean it was Rachel Jenny Avive like I rocked
Speaker 6: with them.
Speaker 4: But I don't know, I think it's funny. I think
Speaker 4: that this is the thing.
Speaker 6: They became really close towards the end once Michelle and
Speaker 6: Tory had I love them, but they had a heart
Speaker 6: on for Johnny, Like once Devin left, they had for Johnny.
Speaker 6: So like where you know, joining tells toy you kind
Speaker 6: of did that to yourself.
Speaker 4: It's true.
Speaker 6: I think Tory was the originator of the Angels. I
Speaker 6: think that she created that group because you know, if
Speaker 6: it wasn't for her gunning for for for Johnny so
Speaker 6: hard I don't think that group would have been as
Speaker 6: tight as they were. I think that once Devin left,
Speaker 6: it became two sides and it didn't have to.
Speaker 4: Be like that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, so yeah, I do think Jordan had a point
Speaker 6: in saying.
Speaker 4: That at Tori.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, that's fair because she did decide to go
Speaker 5: hard this season and Michelle, I mean, for Devin not
Speaker 5: to have been made it that far into the season,
Speaker 5: he sure was a presence, you know, in the outcome,
Speaker 5: which is crazy. Something else that was a presence was
Speaker 5: Laurel's purse on the stage at the re union, and
Speaker 5: I haven't figured out why, because it was for the church.
Speaker 5: I get it, But girl, just bring out the book.
Speaker 5: You don't need the purse sitting on this play. Just
Speaker 5: bring out the book. Put the pocket book backstage where
Speaker 5: it belongs with your coat and gloves and everything else.
Speaker 1: I don't we don't need to see it again.
Speaker 3: And the book, my girl said, I'm going to be
Speaker 3: a mean today.
Speaker 1: Not going down in history as best.
Speaker 5: But it just the literally I'm not you know what,
Speaker 5: because I do I like Laurel very much so that
Speaker 5: pot if look, if they had done the same thing.
Speaker 5: To be clear, I'd also I would have texted her
Speaker 5: in this moment, and I'd also be reading.
Speaker 1: Dam your pocket book backstage with your granny, what are
Speaker 1: you doing?
Speaker 5: But by Hayler found out, we're not doing it right.
Speaker 1: It was a whole I mean, and it didn't even
Speaker 1: match the out and then she had the long strap.
Speaker 5: Okay, anyway, what how long did she read the book for?
Speaker 1: It didn't yet tell us about the book? Please?
Speaker 6: The book keep coming out randomly. I think car would talk,
Speaker 6: the book would come out.
Speaker 1: Like was she trying to pretend she was just reading
Speaker 1: because she was bored?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think it was okay, Yeah, the book thing was interesting.
Speaker 5: What was the funniest moment to you at the reunion?
Speaker 4: Oh? The funniest moment. Oh shit, Nea Mayah. He had
Speaker 4: the worst hangover of his life. Obviously, we're in Amsterdam,
Speaker 4: so the night before we partied, Nea Maya was running
Speaker 4: off the stage every five minutes, yacking in a bucket
Speaker 4: on the side of the stage. And then we heard it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we heard it.
Speaker 4: It was so bad. I felt for the dude. And
Speaker 4: then we just went out that night and did it
Speaker 4: all over again.
Speaker 5: No, no, y'all later, right, I mean, you would do
Speaker 5: that day, even if you were feeling good, good plan.
Speaker 5: We would have to convince you to come out regardless. Okay, okay, okay,
Speaker 5: we know you.
Speaker 3: You know Josh.
Speaker 1: Now, thank you Josh, Thank you Josh, we know you.
Speaker 4: Jay.
Speaker 3: I have my back.
Speaker 4: Got to drag her.
Speaker 2: I saw and that we would do take us back
Speaker 2: to previous episodes so I could drag him just a
Speaker 2: little bit.
Speaker 5: I don't want to have my size Josh all season.
Speaker 4: Listen.
Speaker 6: The fans always tell me they're like bro Dave Von
Speaker 6: rides for you so hard.
Speaker 4: Listen.
Speaker 6: Day knows the love that I have for her even
Speaker 6: before we even met, you know, but I was a
Speaker 6: fan first and then we became friends. But I just
Speaker 6: want to say this on the podcast day, thank you.
Speaker 6: I love you with my whole heart, picking up and
Speaker 6: being in my corner, but I love you.
Speaker 1: Okay, she's sticking up for you against me. I'm not
Speaker 1: going at you that hard, Josh.
Speaker 5: But time to time, all right, time time, Josh, I
Speaker 5: do hold you to a higher standard and time time
Speaker 5: it's fair.
Speaker 4: I don't do myself any help, so I know it's you.
Speaker 5: And remember the advice we gave you back in Vietnam
Speaker 5: and Day and I were aligned in that where we said,
Speaker 5: we see you as a selfless person, okay, and we
Speaker 5: want you to do more for you.
Speaker 6: Guys came into my room and we're like, listen, don't
Speaker 6: play the Vacation Alliances team game.
Speaker 4: Play your own game. You know, you know you corner
Speaker 4: and I get that. And you did it, and we
Speaker 4: were proud of you.
Speaker 1: We are proud of you.
Speaker 3: We were definitely proud of you.
Speaker 5: Yeah, listened, yes, yeah, And now you see it was
Speaker 5: justified though, right because look, even if you guys become
Speaker 5: and hopefully that friendship is restored, because like you said,
Speaker 5: it's a special bond. I think anytime you just do
Speaker 5: a challenge together, it creates this special bond that few
Speaker 5: people can understand the depths of what one goes through.
Speaker 5: But in as Jordan put it, in the name of winning, right,
Speaker 5: in the name of the game. It is an individual game,
Speaker 5: and no one who's ever won was making decisions solely
Speaker 5: off of being selfless. They were all making decisions being
Speaker 5: selfish at some point because you have to. And I
Speaker 5: know that's not who you are as a person, but uh,
Speaker 5: you know, in the game, hopefully it's something that you
Speaker 5: can get a little more, just be more like Davon basically.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's tough. Listen, it's tough for me. My heart.
Speaker 4: I wish, you know, I wish. I get so much
Speaker 4: shit for my emotions.
Speaker 6: I get so much shit for the way I play,
Speaker 6: But I truly play with my heart and I've grown
Speaker 6: to like, really love some of these people like family,
Speaker 6: and dude, I spend a lot of when you do
Speaker 6: these two times a year or every every few months,
Speaker 6: like it's I spend more time with them than I
Speaker 6: do with some of my cousins.
Speaker 4: So the bond is real and it's strong.
Speaker 6: But yeah, I think I do you do just play
Speaker 6: a little bit more for me, and that's a big,
Speaker 6: big thing that I took away.
Speaker 4: From this year.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm intrigued to see that shift because I think
Speaker 5: you are indeed a powerhouse like so I am so
Speaker 5: interested to see how like that starts to play out
Speaker 5: and rooting for you in that way. I think it'll
Speaker 5: be a lot of fun to see and people should
Speaker 5: be worried. In the conversation of the goat, who did
Speaker 5: you vote for for male and female? Who did you
Speaker 5: say you think the goat?
Speaker 6: I voted for Rachel, and I voted for Jordan. Okay,
Speaker 6: Rachel just the season that she had, Like.
Speaker 5: But the goat is all time, not.
Speaker 4: For the woman's side.
Speaker 6: For me, it was between car and Rachel, Okay, Like
Speaker 6: I think that those two every time they've made it
Speaker 6: to a final, they've dominated. And I saw the season
Speaker 6: that Rachel had and I was like, she dominated the
Speaker 6: whole season. You know, she not only had one of
Speaker 6: the best social games, she dominated in the challenges and
Speaker 6: the arena. So and also just like from the start
Speaker 6: of it, she's the epitome of the challenge to me,
Speaker 6: like you started this shit and then you're in your forties.
Speaker 4: Three kids in your later yeah, ude, twenty years later
Speaker 4: fucking killing it. Yep. So obviously big fan of her
Speaker 4: and and and I love her to death, but she
Speaker 4: she I just watching the season that she had and
Speaker 4: being there and witnessing it, like even watching it on
Speaker 4: TV doesn't do it justice. She for me, she's a
Speaker 4: female girl. Now. It was hard for the guys between
Speaker 4: Jordan and Johnny, like Johnny delivers in all levels, like
Speaker 4: Nady has not only won seven times that you don't
Speaker 4: do that by luck or by right. You know you.
Speaker 6: Obviously, winning seven times is fucking crazy, and he always
Speaker 6: performs when he's in the final. But I think on
Speaker 6: an entertainment level, the.
Speaker 4: Guy, yep, when I tell you, there was days where
Speaker 4: I was like, dude, I just need to I need
Speaker 4: to turn off.
Speaker 6: I need to like turn off the switch. I need
Speaker 6: a sleep for twenty four hours. I need to change.
Speaker 6: Like no, like you know, go call that person out,
Speaker 6: go do this. We're making he just delivered. Yeah, and
Speaker 6: he's like a little producer in the field, like he's
Speaker 6: a little bit Yeah. I'm like even witnessing him the
Speaker 6: way that he like would push Devon, but Devin's button
Speaker 6: go at Tory and he knew he wasn't doing it
Speaker 6: with an ill intent, but he's like, you know what,
Speaker 6: I'm bored. I'm gonna stir shit up. I'm like, this
Speaker 6: fucker is just good TV.
Speaker 4: So when you put put.
Speaker 6: That into perspective, you're like, the reason the show is
Speaker 6: so successful was because Johnny puts his all into.
Speaker 4: It, Yeah, which is all so Yeah, he's definitely definitely
Speaker 4: one of the goats.
Speaker 6: But I mean Jordan just on a physical side, it's
Speaker 6: like nobody could touch him.
Speaker 4: I think he beats every.
Speaker 6: Single one of He beats West, he beats TT, he
Speaker 6: beats Johnny, he beats every single one of them in
Speaker 6: the final.
Speaker 4: So like, who do you think.
Speaker 5: Is the most overrated male challenger? Don't worry, we won't
Speaker 5: tell anyone. It's just us day.
Speaker 1: I'm coming to you. I'm coming to you next.
Speaker 4: Maybe that was a going to get me in trouble.
Speaker 4: It's just us, I think Wes.
Speaker 1: I was thinking the same thing, Josh.
Speaker 5: I was thinking the same I was just having this
Speaker 5: conversation with my husband yesterday.
Speaker 1: I was thinking the same thing.
Speaker 4: For two reasons. I think he's great.
Speaker 6: We're working on our I wouldn't say friendship, but we're
Speaker 6: working on being civil if you want to say. But
Speaker 6: I think he's great, but he's either has dominated and
Speaker 6: made it all the way to kind of floated to
Speaker 6: a final wind or besides that, like first season that
Speaker 6: he had that he won every single elimination to the end,
Speaker 6: which I didn't watch that season, but I know that
Speaker 6: there was a season where he was a rookie and
Speaker 6: he was just dominating. But I would say now it's
Speaker 6: like he either makes it to the end and wins,
Speaker 6: or he goes out the way he did on USA two,
Speaker 6: and I'm like, oh, like you would see CT in
Speaker 6: the sand, and like CT's a threat like in anything,
Speaker 6: a puzzle, a math problem, physical anything, like people don't
Speaker 6: want to see Cet down in the sand like West,
Speaker 6: You're like the physical I could take him, like if
Speaker 6: it's a headbanger, like I could go up against him
Speaker 6: in a hall br I could take him in a
Speaker 6: poll rustling.
Speaker 1: I mean, his head was the bell was rung with
Speaker 1: his head by.
Speaker 4: I just I just see.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I've witnessed like the way that Chris kind of
Speaker 6: did him on USA too, Like I've witnessed him go
Speaker 6: out in ways and I'm like, damn, oh no.
Speaker 5: To be clear, he was one of the first eliminated
Speaker 5: on Battle of the Seasons and Easy used his head
Speaker 5: to ring the bell on Halbroth.
Speaker 1: So it was it was you know.
Speaker 4: But that's that's a thing.
Speaker 6: It's either he's he wins the whole thing or he
Speaker 6: goes out really bad. So that's the only I'm not
Speaker 6: saying that he's not one of the goats. He's definitely
Speaker 6: on the road whatever the fuck it is, or.
Speaker 4: There we go. I can't even say the.
Speaker 6: Rush definitely up there, but he's out of all of them,
Speaker 6: I would say that he's the least threat.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, day, what are your thoughts?
Speaker 3: I definitely agree. And I know the fans are gonna
Speaker 3: be like you because you don't like him. Has nothing
Speaker 3: to do with that. I've been delivered.
Speaker 2: God bless him, God bless him. I would say that.
Speaker 2: And and one thing's for sure. Even after our whatever
Speaker 2: it was, whatever, I still was on this podcast and
Speaker 2: I said, I'm going to give credit what credit is due.
Speaker 2: I feel like Wes has mastered the social aspect of it,
Speaker 2: the talking and the planting and all of the things
Speaker 2: to keep the attention off of him because he knows
Speaker 2: if he goes into the sand, it could potentially be
Speaker 2: really bad.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and so I agree.
Speaker 1: With what you said.
Speaker 6: Yeah, whereas I feel like other ones are confident in
Speaker 6: the sand, Like Johnny's one of the most confident people
Speaker 6: in the sand. I don't know how many times he's lost.
Speaker 6: The guy goes down there, he sees the game, He's like, oh,
Speaker 6: I got this, and you see that. So I've played
Speaker 6: with these people in real times. I know what it
Speaker 6: goes into a daily and too a challenge to a
Speaker 6: limb so like, he's really fucking good in the eliminations
Speaker 6: because I know they're gonna go He's really good at eliminations.
Speaker 6: But I've seen him go out in ways and I'm
Speaker 6: just like, what.
Speaker 3: Was that about?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, like you mentioned with Bear, what was that about?
Speaker 2: So yeah, it's it's definitely one of those situations. And
Speaker 2: then like he's great at dailies and we'll see that,
Speaker 2: so you know, he'll he'll do his thing. But I
Speaker 2: definitely believe, like you said, of the lineup of the
Speaker 2: people that we consider goats, he's like at the bottom
Speaker 2: of that list of that lineup.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 5: I love how scared you guys are and how nice
Speaker 5: you're being. Let's just keep it all the way. Let's
Speaker 5: just keep it all the way plenty times, keep it
Speaker 5: all the way and be here, Yes you may.
Speaker 6: Can I say something before we leave the West topic.
Speaker 6: I want to say we he's been taking shots my
Speaker 6: way on social media. I took a shot at him.
Speaker 6: Davon came into play and we jumped on a call
Speaker 6: and we decided not to take any more shots at
Speaker 6: each other.
Speaker 4: So this is not a shot at West.
Speaker 5: It's no, it's just this conversation It's a conversation that
Speaker 5: I started, and I was thinking about this the other
Speaker 5: day and I was watching one of the new shows
Speaker 5: he's on, and I was thinking about it, and I
Speaker 5: don't even know if I'd say Wes's master the social game.
Speaker 5: And look, I have nothing but love for my fellow
Speaker 5: Kansas Citian, but Wes his mouth gets him in so
Speaker 5: much trouble. I feel like he comes in, he's an
Speaker 5: excellent character, and he comes in with such an like
Speaker 5: energy that's very entertaining.
Speaker 1: He like Banana's nosed good TV.
Speaker 5: Like Wess one hundred percent is no wallflower and has
Speaker 5: a big personality. But the stats just aren't statting if
Speaker 5: we're talking about greatest of all time. Like Bro, yes,
Speaker 5: you won All Stars three and twenty twenty two, which
Speaker 5: is great, but prior to that, it was almost a
Speaker 5: decade since your last win, and I know you dip
Speaker 5: in and out, but like, yeah, Brah, I don't think
Speaker 5: that that goes into I think if he comes back.
Speaker 3: He has to switch it up because everyone's learned his playbook.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he uses the.
Speaker 6: Same That's exactly what it is there. I think that
Speaker 6: the other ones have learned how to adapt to the
Speaker 6: times into the absolutely I think he knew how to
Speaker 6: play with real world people and all that gamers came in.
Speaker 4: He tried to run game and it was like.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, okay, calm down, back up real quick in
Speaker 5: the house, roll it back, roll it back. Okay, as
Speaker 5: a real world y'all still want to tread light.
Speaker 6: Like I'm saying, Big Brother and Survivor came in the
Speaker 6: picture and we saw through that. Like, I think West
Speaker 6: is such a cool fucking dude, but I clashed with
Speaker 6: him because he tried to run game on me.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and so obviously I was basically against it.
Speaker 5: You know, well, I look forward to seeing you guys
Speaker 5: on an episode of Rivals with Wes in the future
Speaker 5: to this conversation.
Speaker 2: You're welcome to stay home, Oh Josh, lies you tell
Speaker 2: from your throat, lies you tell from You're welcome everyone
Speaker 2: I look for all right, we have to take a
Speaker 2: quick break, be right back after that.
Speaker 1: Okay, let's get into it.
Speaker 2: So, Josh, you have the vacation Alliance or that's pending, right,
Speaker 2: and then you have a duo with me, But then
Speaker 2: me and you also have a trio with Amanda, and
Speaker 2: so I want to.
Speaker 4: Know that's what we can't do the devil. Well, this
Speaker 4: is the thing.
Speaker 6: This is the thing that was frustrating with the Vacation
Speaker 6: Alliance this season was we all know we have relationships
Speaker 6: outside of our lines and we're never going to cross
Speaker 6: each other. That was, yeah, I necessarily want Jordan at
Speaker 6: the end. No, but I also let along with Jordan,
Speaker 6: so I was like, I'm not coming after him anyways.
Speaker 6: Like Jordan was somebody that I was close with out
Speaker 6: other guys, So we all had our people outside of
Speaker 6: our relationship, so obviously you guys would be one of
Speaker 6: those people. I mean, when Amanda was in the house
Speaker 6: for however long she was, they knew that she was
Speaker 6: one of my girls, So there was no it's that
Speaker 6: they even know not to bring that up. So I
Speaker 6: don't even know why I came into play with Well,
Speaker 6: I do know why I came in to play with
Speaker 6: Rachel and Johnny because they started going at each other.
Speaker 6: But yeah, no, I don't think that would change anything
Speaker 6: between us. I think that you guys would be good
Speaker 6: like and they wouldn't know that.
Speaker 3: You know, how do you feel about her hot.
Speaker 4: Shots at each other? I'm not That's not my fight.
Speaker 3: I ain't shooting nobody. I'm standing behind you.
Speaker 6: You want to have a group looking off for you
Speaker 6: at like a strong group at that because they we
Speaker 6: win dailies.
Speaker 4: They win dailies like we're good.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna tell you the truth because I ain't never
Speaker 2: going back, so I can say this.
Speaker 5: Yeah, she's been saying that, Okay, right, I can say this.
Speaker 2: Right, I would because I know that of your pending
Speaker 2: vacation alliance, I would be at the bottom of that list,
Speaker 2: so I would be doing things to strip you away
Speaker 2: from them, like I'll be trying to get them up
Speaker 2: out of there.
Speaker 3: One undred percent.
Speaker 5: I would.
Speaker 4: I think that was Rachel's plan too.
Speaker 3: Honestly, they gotta go, they gotta go.
Speaker 2: I got one hundred percent, But yeah, I think how
Speaker 2: do you feel about her coming out at the reunion?
Speaker 2: Amanda's whole entrance, her hot takes on what happened this season?
Speaker 4: Oh, I loved it.
Speaker 6: Well, Amanda has been popping off on Twitter the whole season,
Speaker 6: so I'm like, something feels too calm, Like, something feels
Speaker 6: too We were even seeing it before. We're like what
Speaker 6: I think I said? I was like, why is Amanda
Speaker 6: not here? Like so when I see her walk out.
Speaker 6: I'm like, dude, and they were all talking shit before. Oh,
Speaker 6: I was like, light them up them. I mean, you
Speaker 6: saw the fears on their faces because she has no like,
Speaker 6: she has no mercy. She's like, you know, she doesn't
Speaker 6: hold back. So I was excited and I'm on when
Speaker 6: you're on her good side, it's a good thing.
Speaker 2: So okay, we were anticipating Amanda, Right, how did you
Speaker 2: feel when Tony popped up on the screen?
Speaker 4: Oof, I have I mean I feel hmmm, be honest.
Speaker 1: With you guys, go ahead, let it out.
Speaker 6: I think that Tony like what Amanda said, I'm not
Speaker 6: I think it's Amanda said it.
Speaker 4: You know. I think he just really pulled up for
Speaker 4: the chain. I do. I really do.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 6: No matter how you try to justify, we witnessed that elimination,
Speaker 6: and there was no way in hell that this two
Speaker 6: forty six y four giant was letting a twenty five
Speaker 6: pounds you know, little fucking you know like he was.
Speaker 6: He wasn't giving his all, like he was checked out.
Speaker 6: He was checked out. And to throw yourself in.
Speaker 4: An elimination so early on again, like for a friend
Speaker 4: or something like that.
Speaker 5: But I'm like, bro, yeah, it didn't make sense like
Speaker 5: it made sense from an avery. I mean, it was
Speaker 5: still I wouldn't have done it, but it made sense
Speaker 5: for her perspective and being that like, look these are
Speaker 5: my rider, you know, like from the jump I made
Speaker 5: this decision. It'd be like if someone wanted me to
Speaker 5: vote in day or something for example, like that's that's
Speaker 5: a non negotiable. But Tony didn't even come back with
Speaker 5: a well, hey, this person is my job, you know
Speaker 5: what I mean, well like saying that like, look, i'm rider,
Speaker 5: you know I'm good friends with X, so I cannot
Speaker 5: say them. He was more just like, oh, I've just
Speaker 5: made up my mind. Like it wasn't like oh we
Speaker 5: have I have a long friendship in history with these
Speaker 5: other people, so I can't say.
Speaker 1: Them and now we're at a stalemate. He was just
Speaker 1: like so at best.
Speaker 4: He was such a good dude. You were an Era three.
Speaker 4: Yeah that we're stacked if you really want to make
Speaker 4: it to the end. Yeah, had an easy ride because
Speaker 4: y'all was such a stacked team. I think that there
Speaker 4: were our biggest competition in dailies and just to see
Speaker 4: how he kind of, in my eyes, kind of threw
Speaker 4: it away. I don't know.
Speaker 6: I think, you know, I think it's tough because I
Speaker 6: feel like everybody makes their sacrifices, everybody has their recent
Speaker 6: reason to be there. And obviously I think that the
Speaker 6: more that you do this, your heart gets involved and
Speaker 6: you want it so bad, like you just want to
Speaker 6: see it too. But it is sad when you see
Speaker 6: people not giving it. I mean, you don't have to
Speaker 6: be the best, obviously, but like put some heart into it. Yeah,
Speaker 6: that's what was tough. I also think that guarantees that's
Speaker 6: a nice little check.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but there are other people who clearly wanted to
Speaker 5: be there, right, and we're fighting, and for Tony to
Speaker 5: kind of take up that spot, you know, is knowing
Speaker 5: that he didn't want.
Speaker 4: Just to say that is my opinion. I'm not saying
Speaker 4: that that's the reality. Okay, what I witnessed, I didn't
Speaker 4: see one hundred Tony showing up at that thought elimination.
Speaker 2: So let me say this because this was my hot take,
Speaker 2: right because I was I was pissed about the elimination
Speaker 2: with Lee.
Speaker 1: That pat me off.
Speaker 3: If you knew you wanted to go home, what was
Speaker 3: we doing because you could have spared Lee? Right?
Speaker 2: Do you think that he gave his all in that
Speaker 2: elimination with Lee simply for Bragg and rights to say
Speaker 2: he beat Lee.
Speaker 6: I don't know if it was like to say he
Speaker 6: beat Lee, But I think, like, you don't want to
Speaker 6: be the first one sent home.
Speaker 5: Yeah you don't know that's true.
Speaker 4: Ever want to be the that is true. So I
Speaker 4: think that's why he did it. But he knew that
Speaker 4: he would have both opportunities, you know. But I think,
Speaker 4: and then I think also, I don't know, I have
Speaker 4: a lot of opinions on this, but I think also
Speaker 4: he saw Tony was in such a good position.
Speaker 6: He had a strong relationship. I had never played or
Speaker 6: met Tony. This was my first one, and I saw
Speaker 6: his dynamic and I was like, whoa, everybody rocks with him.
Speaker 6: Everybody Tony.
Speaker 4: He's such a fun dude to have in that house
Speaker 4: because he's so funny and like chaotic, like he's just entertaining,
Speaker 4: Like he's like a bull in a china shop.
Speaker 6: You give him some alcohol and he's like he lights
Speaker 6: up the room. Yeah, he was fun, but I'm like, damn,
Speaker 6: he has he's sitting pretty. This guy's so then to
Speaker 6: see that shift overnight kind of be like all right now,
Speaker 6: uh yeah, yeah, that was a little disappointing because I
Speaker 6: think he would have had an easy ride to the end.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and he probably would have been interesting to watch
Speaker 5: if he had like made the time and been you know,
Speaker 5: like put yet put in heart, I put it. I
Speaker 5: feel like he put in more effort to pull that
Speaker 5: shorts butt stunt he did on the Zoom than he
Speaker 5: did into staying in the season, which is, you know,
Speaker 5: this is how you know I'm not coming back by
Speaker 5: the way Josh just say you know I'm.
Speaker 3: Can't we acknowledge that he had holes in his shorts?
Speaker 1: Oh I didn't look that hard. I tried to turn away.
Speaker 3: I did.
Speaker 4: That's a hole, a hole paused.
Speaker 3: There is a hole.
Speaker 2: Right the season what's filled with ups and downs and
Speaker 2: all the roller coasters and holes, makeups and breakups. We
Speaker 2: got the opportunity to see Kara and Tory put the
Speaker 2: pass behind it together. I want to know, is there
Speaker 2: anybody that you wish you can have a Tory Kara.
Speaker 3: Moment with.
Speaker 4: That I could have, or.
Speaker 2: To know that you can have anybody that you want
Speaker 2: to mend the relations agreement and you want.
Speaker 3: To mend and starts fresh.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, there's a few.
Speaker 6: Actually, I think the two that come to mind are
Speaker 6: and I won't get into details. That's fine, Ashley and West.
Speaker 6: I think because West outside of the game, it's somebody
Speaker 6: that I'm not going to get too deep into it,
Speaker 6: but and not to get all personal and all that stuff.
Speaker 6: But I went I struggled really bad with the point
Speaker 6: I didn't know was depression. But I was in deep
Speaker 6: DEPRESSI during Total Madness and COVID. So I'm so happy
Speaker 6: we didn't end up on all starts together, Big Brother
Speaker 6: all starts, But I was in a really deep depression
Speaker 6: and now I'm able to look back at it. And
Speaker 6: Wes was somebody that reached out and picked up the
Speaker 6: phone and every single day would call me.
Speaker 1: That's amazing.
Speaker 4: Would call me and be like, hey, I don't give
Speaker 4: a fuck about anything, how are you doing?
Speaker 6: Are you okay? And would check it on me. That
Speaker 6: showed a lot about him as a person.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 6: So in the game we don't see eye to eye.
Speaker 6: We've class We've had our moments. He takes shot, he
Speaker 6: talks about me all the time on Twitter, he comes
Speaker 6: at me. But when I think of Wes, I think
Speaker 6: about that time that in the moment he didn't know
Speaker 6: he was such a light in my life and I
Speaker 6: didn't know I needed But now to look at it
Speaker 6: and be like, damn, he helped me a.
Speaker 5: Lot, and now you call him over rated, Wes, We're
Speaker 5: so sorry.
Speaker 1: That is a mess.
Speaker 3: Josh called him.
Speaker 5: Over and he was over here check it on you
Speaker 5: and you're life, making sure you were aokay.
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 1: Sometimes something that's a duality of challenges.
Speaker 7: I love that.
Speaker 1: I'm just kidding.
Speaker 5: I still think he's overrated, but that's really sweet that
Speaker 5: and I love that duality, and I think fans times
Speaker 5: forget that, like some of these people on the back
Speaker 5: end are like real ones, you know what I mean,
Speaker 5: when you need them. I think is really special and
Speaker 5: really cool about challenge. So that's props to Wes for.
Speaker 2: Forting that that was a really good moment. I ain't
Speaker 2: never seen that side of him, but that was a
Speaker 2: really good moment.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 6: I mean, I'm telling you day he was somebody that
Speaker 6: helped me a lot because back home, I felt so
Speaker 6: much understood. Nobody understood what You're on TV. You're making money,
Speaker 6: you're traveling, you're getting paid. Yeah, everything seems great, but
Speaker 6: it's like, you're not in my shoes. You don't understand
Speaker 6: what it is.
Speaker 1: You're in the public eye.
Speaker 5: People seem to think you don't have feelings just because
Speaker 5: you're in the public eye. If anything, sometimes it makes
Speaker 5: it worse because so many people are comments on you.
Speaker 6: No, I'm being in the reality space. I think I
Speaker 6: give God thanks every single fucking day for my family
Speaker 6: and the support system I have at home because I
Speaker 6: run to them whenever I'm down. I'm like, nop funck,
Speaker 6: this should go work out, go to your people. Thankfully,
Speaker 6: I'm in a really amazing space.
Speaker 4: Now. I think you got to get your ass beat publicly,
Speaker 4: so then just come dumb.
Speaker 6: To it to like not give a shit now laugh
Speaker 6: about it honestly when it's a good job. And I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 6: but it takes you breaking to get to this point.
Speaker 6: And I'm just happy on the other side that I'm at.
Speaker 6: But that's why I look at certain people like Wes
Speaker 6: and I'm like, no, like he puts he has this
Speaker 6: persona on TV, but like, all in all, he did
Speaker 6: check it on me on the rag and I appreciate that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So let me say this because okay, okay, okay, yeah,
Speaker 2: I did, okay, okay, okay.
Speaker 3: During War of the World's Won, we had this hall brawl.
Speaker 2: I think it was THEO and Kyle and it was
Speaker 2: out of control and Wes, for lack of a better phrase,
Speaker 2: was having PTSD and we beefing.
Speaker 3: Heavy at this time.
Speaker 2: But he comes over to me and he's like shaking
Speaker 2: because he's thinking back to his elimination and he's thinking
Speaker 2: back to it. And I've seen this looking it and
Speaker 2: that was the first time I got a little glimpse.
Speaker 2: I said, oh there, maybe it is a human right there.
Speaker 2: And so I'm holding his hand through the whole elimination.
Speaker 1: And we'd been heavy.
Speaker 2: Wow, but I'm holding his hand through the whole elimination
Speaker 2: when so I think it is important to say, yes,
Speaker 2: we have our moments on TV, there are characters, but
Speaker 2: we are still human. Wow. And that was powerful the
Speaker 2: human yeah yea yeah, yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 5: And that you didn't like jerk his wrist and try
Speaker 5: and break it in the moment holding his hand the restraint.
Speaker 6: And I want to say something before we move on
Speaker 6: from this question and the reason I named an Ashley.
Speaker 6: We have our differences on a season. There was obviously
Speaker 6: a lot that went down that didn't air. But I
Speaker 6: think that there was a narrative out there that I
Speaker 6: didn't want to see her back on, or that I
Speaker 6: went to production and try to block her. And all
Speaker 6: I want to say is my heart cannot be more
Speaker 6: happy to see her on All Stars. Like will we
Speaker 6: ever be like close friends are? Probably not, But I
Speaker 6: know what a huge blessing this is for all of us.
Speaker 6: I know what a big part of our lives this
Speaker 6: has become. And she's a big face of the show.
Speaker 4: Even like, like Amanda said in the reunion, acually not
Speaker 4: being there for Era three was kind of wild, Like
Speaker 4: she's a champ.
Speaker 6: The girl's dominated seasons. She's really good at the game.
Speaker 6: So I'm genuinely really happy for her and I'm rooting
Speaker 6: for her success and I hope she keeps dominating because
Speaker 6: she's she's just great TV.
Speaker 4: Like, yeah, at all she's great TV. So I'm excited
Speaker 4: for her on All Stories.
Speaker 5: You actually bring up a good point too, before we
Speaker 5: go the conversation or the debate between Era Won and
Speaker 5: Jordan around people coming on to revive their career, you know, like, oh,
Speaker 5: you're happy you got calls, And I think it was
Speaker 5: maybe Jody who pointed out or someone or no, someone
Speaker 5: pointed out. I remember, I think Derek pointed out. Just
Speaker 5: because I'm not here doesn't mean I wasn't called.
Speaker 1: What are you all?
Speaker 5: Particularly? You two take on that? Do you agree with Jordan?
Speaker 5: Do you think he was just lashing out because he
Speaker 5: was mad? Do you have a different take on it?
Speaker 6: I do, Yeah, I think that at that point he
Speaker 6: was a little his back was kind of he was
Speaker 6: taking a lot of fire from a lot of people,
Speaker 6: like I think to everybody was just taking shots on
Speaker 6: him at that point, so he was kind of like
Speaker 6: on the defense. I wouldn't say. I wouldn't I would
Speaker 6: never say what he said because in all reality, every
Speaker 6: single person that was in Era one is the reason
Speaker 6: why the show is still around. I'm gonna give I
Speaker 6: don't care how bad they ship the bed I don't
Speaker 6: care how bad they like. I mean, everyone kind of
Speaker 6: flopped this. Yes, they were in bed by eight, but
Speaker 6: the reality is we're here forty seasons later because these
Speaker 6: people put it all out there, like they put everything,
Speaker 6: their relationships.
Speaker 4: They're drunken antics.
Speaker 1: The blueprint, they filled the blue what.
Speaker 4: It is yep, So I would never sit on a
Speaker 4: stage and say, oh, you're just excited your back and
Speaker 4: you revived your career. That's fucking wild. Do you think
Speaker 4: thank you for giving me?
Speaker 1: It's also it is I think he does.
Speaker 5: Look, I think he's not wrong, and sure that there
Speaker 5: are some people who are probably super excited to be
Speaker 5: called and had been called in years.
Speaker 1: But I also think it's not accurate. We talked about this.
Speaker 5: Just because I'm not back on the challenge doesn't mean
Speaker 5: I'm not called like it is. Some people are making
Speaker 5: choices based on other things they want to do or
Speaker 5: they've got going on, and it just isn't They're right
Speaker 5: to say it doesn't align with where they're trying to
Speaker 5: go or what they're trying to do, or I value
Speaker 5: my knees personally, but it doesn't mean that they aren't called,
Speaker 5: you know, or that they don't have the option. So
Speaker 5: like with Derek saying he takes time off, I believe
Speaker 5: Derek has been.
Speaker 1: Called a lot, even more times than we've seen.
Speaker 5: Him, you know, to come on the show, and I
Speaker 5: believe probably Rachel too, quite frankly, So, yeah, I think
Speaker 5: that that's a misconception.
Speaker 1: Probably.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I love Jordan to death. But that was definitely
Speaker 4: a bad take from from his side.
Speaker 5: Well, two bad takes in one reunion. That and the
Speaker 5: suit that he wears for that is like, Josh, please
Speaker 5: don't get one in your size, sir, please.
Speaker 6: I don't think I could pull off the soup. I
Speaker 6: kind of like the soup.
Speaker 1: The vibe you're rocking now. Josh has a really.
Speaker 4: Good fashion sense, I will say that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Davon your thoughts, I see you're making a face
Speaker 5: on what Jordan and his outfit.
Speaker 8: Jordan's fashion sense I think.
Speaker 5: I wait, we're award winning, Josh. We found out we
Speaker 5: wanted a war.
Speaker 3: For this podcast, so yeah, let's talk about that.
Speaker 1: We didn't even know we won grats.
Speaker 4: Guys, look at you. Challenge podcast is thriving, baby. We
Speaker 4: ain't going nowhere.
Speaker 5: We going nowhere, especially not day because we get to
Speaker 5: comment on her on All Stars five, which is amazing
Speaker 5: or not. You know, we're going to Josh, I'm gonna
Speaker 5: start Twitter threads specif with you so we can comment
Speaker 5: give hot takes on Davon's performance every week.
Speaker 1: He knows I will an All Stars five.
Speaker 2: Jesus, this is about Josh. Josh, I think you had
Speaker 2: a great season. I'm very proud of you for being
Speaker 2: very selfish shaking thinking about Josh this. As a matter
Speaker 2: of fact, we had Torri on last week and we
Speaker 2: made a statement that we come from Big Brother, right.
Speaker 2: But you've been on the challenge long enough for you
Speaker 2: to start adapting to the challenge, and so I need
Speaker 2: you to make that shift because in some senses, I'll
Speaker 2: watch you play and I'm like, oh, he's still in
Speaker 2: the house.
Speaker 3: Get off the CBS lot. Because I see you, you
Speaker 3: still on the lot, get off the line.
Speaker 4: I think you know, I agree. I think that what's
Speaker 4: so wild. What's so wild is.
Speaker 6: That I think I'm one of the Big Brother crossovers
Speaker 6: that has played more like a challenger, Like I'm just
Speaker 6: an emotional, outspoken I'm either rocking with you or I'm not.
Speaker 6: I'm very open about it. Like I think I play
Speaker 6: a pretty up from the game. I'm just I'm a
Speaker 6: social butterfly, connected with connected, I'm a friendly fucking guy.
Speaker 4: So I think that that's where like, oh, it's big Brother,
Speaker 4: big Brother coded. It's like, no, it's that's why I
Speaker 4: am naturally like my you know, you've seen me out
Speaker 4: in public. I'll talk to the Wall. Yeah, you know, so.
Speaker 6: I just think that they easy to say that, but
Speaker 6: but no.
Speaker 1: Josh weird are you? You're a gym? You really are?
Speaker 1: And know that, like when I give you ship for
Speaker 1: your game plates, because I care. If I didn't care,
Speaker 1: I just talk.
Speaker 6: About I had a couple. I have some rider Dye fans.
Speaker 6: I don't like the word fans, some supporters, anything anything
Speaker 6: like it could be an interview, it could be an article.
Speaker 4: They send it to me. And you know, they told
Speaker 4: me a couple of times this season that you were.
Speaker 5: I was pushing at you because I want you to
Speaker 5: do better.
Speaker 4: It's never there, like dude, dave On send me clips.
Speaker 1: I'm like, and I stand by everything I say. You
Speaker 1: can always text me or DM me about it.
Speaker 4: I did feel some type of way about it if
Speaker 4: I'm being honest with you, because I'm like, damn, I
Speaker 4: thought we were cool.
Speaker 5: We are we are, And I always say my say
Speaker 5: you can always text or d m me. I know
Speaker 5: Michelle and I had the same conversation a season or
Speaker 5: two ago. But when I ride you, it's because I
Speaker 5: see potential. I'm gonna do the same today like I
Speaker 5: see potential in you where I'm like, Josh, this isn't
Speaker 5: serving you.
Speaker 6: You know, like listen, the reality. The reality is like
Speaker 6: we understand what we're doing here, like this is their job.
Speaker 6: We got to give our honest opinion on ship. I
Speaker 6: know that I like I said before, it's like I
Speaker 6: know that when I'm on these shows, I'm a fucking
Speaker 6: wrecking ball, like I don't do myself any favors. So like, no,
Speaker 6: people are gonna have opinions about me. But yeah, it
Speaker 6: was a little bit in my feelings.
Speaker 4: Well next, Josh, I'm glad that we could talk.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm glad you told me.
Speaker 5: Now, Sis, I'm dead serious, like, message me, hit me up,
Speaker 5: call me, be like bitch, what the hell?
Speaker 1: I like, I will all or not well no, meaning
Speaker 1: like I'm not precious.
Speaker 5: I'm not precious about it, like anytime. Keep to the
Speaker 5: supporters who keeps riding with Josh and sending him clips
Speaker 5: aka tattletales feel free and Josh, you can always hit
Speaker 5: me up on anything I say or come on the
Speaker 5: pod and we'll talk about it.
Speaker 4: I'm I'm happy I did this.
Speaker 1: Yeah really yeah, same and thank you for coming. For sure.
Speaker 2: One thing about this podcast, We're gonna get some reconciliation
Speaker 2: over here. Okay, I love it. It makes me feel happy.
Speaker 3: Josh. This is our final episode of the podcast for
Speaker 3: this amazing, amazing season, and we want to give you
Speaker 3: the last word on this season. Is there anything that
Speaker 3: you want to leave us with?
Speaker 4: Oh? Ah, y'all are gonna make me emotion damn oh
Speaker 4: it's first of all, I fucking thank you so much
Speaker 4: for having me.
Speaker 6: Y'all are smashing it and I'm so happy. A huge
Speaker 6: part of the success of this podcast is you guys,
Speaker 6: so keep fucking We appreciate you, Josh the stars that
Speaker 6: you are, but no, I being dude. The challenge has
Speaker 6: changed my life and being part of the fortieth season,
Speaker 6: I really walked onto the season with a little bit
Speaker 6: of like I fell out of place. I was like,
Speaker 6: the lineup was crazy. I think I was one of
Speaker 6: the only guys that hadn't made a final and had
Speaker 6: to one. I was like, it was like two I
Speaker 6: think it was me and Island and everybody else, me,
Speaker 6: Colin and Corey.
Speaker 4: Everybody else was a champ. Everybody has made it to.
Speaker 6: A final or not a champ, but like you know,
Speaker 6: everybody made their Yeah, And I was like, damn, I
Speaker 6: fell out of place, and as a season went on,
Speaker 6: I kind of felt.
Speaker 4: Like I belonged.
Speaker 6: I was like, oh, no, I've done my thing. Like
Speaker 6: not everybody's gonna have be the champion, have the easiest
Speaker 6: ride to the end, be a multiple win, multiple seasons.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 6: Not everybody's journeys like that. And my journey has been
Speaker 6: fucking hard. It is really hard lost, have the loss
Speaker 6: to continue to come back. But the growth that I've
Speaker 6: gained as a competitor, as a man, and the person
Speaker 6: that I've become because of the show has been thankfully
Speaker 6: one of the biggest blessings in my life. And being
Speaker 6: part of the fortieth season, playing with a bunch of
Speaker 6: icons and kind of you know, I think I made
Speaker 6: a little bit of a splash.
Speaker 5: You did know You're an essential. You deserve to be there,
Speaker 5: your part. You were there for a reason. You have
Speaker 5: and I say this as a real worlder who we
Speaker 5: were fiercely protecting. You have made your mark on two
Speaker 5: amazing franchises like you are just as we claim you,
Speaker 5: just as much like on The Challenge as a Challenger
Speaker 5: as Big Brother, and it's it's while a win is great,
Speaker 5: and I do believe as you lean into this selfish era,
Speaker 5: like good selfish, gameplay, selfish.
Speaker 1: I think you could take it all.
Speaker 5: The way you even without a win, You've become you're
Speaker 5: a part of the conversation, Like you have made your
Speaker 5: mark on the show for sure, And yeah, we're like
Speaker 5: proud of you, very proud of you for watching your growth.
Speaker 4: Thank you.
Speaker 6: No, it was it was one of like, even towards
Speaker 6: the end, I was like, Wow, I just would wake
Speaker 6: up so excited and so grateful, and I was like,
Speaker 6: holy shit to be around these people and just be
Speaker 6: part of it. It was truly fucking one of a
Speaker 6: very special season. But yeah, when I come back and
Speaker 6: I'm in my villain era and I'm a dighead, you
Speaker 6: guys created this.
Speaker 5: Bo Okay, Okay, we're not saying the dickhead I am.
Speaker 3: I am.
Speaker 1: We're just saying you can't make promises. You can't go
Speaker 1: into the.
Speaker 5: Grocery store with five dollars in your pocket and try
Speaker 5: and get twenty dollars with them merchandise, So you can't
Speaker 5: promise to save everybody.
Speaker 2: I'm lie, friend, Lie, Lie friend, Lie, Oh God, here
Speaker 2: we go.
Speaker 4: And I'm like, you know what, I'm done with the
Speaker 4: Knights created a monster.
Speaker 6: And so when your boy comes back on ten and
Speaker 6: you fluckers online and in the house, you guys created
Speaker 6: this monster.
Speaker 3: Boy, oh boy, we will be set. We will be
Speaker 3: set until you enter that villain era.
Speaker 2: Where can the people fine, the sweet, loving, carrying josh On,
Speaker 2: the socials of the media on.
Speaker 4: Nothing continue to the solid.
Speaker 6: If you followed me and have supported me throughout all
Speaker 6: these years, I love you, guys. Listen the good, the bad,
Speaker 6: all of it, all of it, every single the person
Speaker 6: that takes time out of their day to send hate
Speaker 6: my way, thank you. I love all of you, guys.
Speaker 6: I've learned to embrace it. I know that it comes
Speaker 6: with the territory of being on TV. I fucking love
Speaker 6: this life. I love what I do. I love doing
Speaker 6: this show. So at this point I'm numb to it.
Speaker 6: Just whatever opinion you have on me, you know, double
Speaker 6: up on it and no I I yeah, I'm just
Speaker 6: my heart is feeling grateful. And I love you guys,
Speaker 6: and just keep supporting the Challenge podcast man again, way
Speaker 6: more way more.
Speaker 4: Awards come on.
Speaker 1: Thank you?
Speaker 2: And he lying because we saw him flexing on Instagram
Speaker 2: about all the other shows that.
Speaker 1: Making out with somebody in a pool somewhere.
Speaker 4: I think our time is done. I think we I
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Speaker 5: I'm so glad that we had Josh on love and
Speaker 5: love that we got to clear some stuff up apparently.
Speaker 5: But Josh's he's just so great and I'm excited. I
Speaker 5: like watching his evolution in the game, and I know
Speaker 5: you ride hard for him. I feel like sometimes we're
Speaker 5: like mom and dad, you know, good come back.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you need a little bit of that balance.
Speaker 5: But I'm glad that he gave us some insight, kept
Speaker 5: it all the way one hundred and to hear that
Speaker 5: he didn't feel like he deserved to be at forty, like,
Speaker 5: I really hope that he recognizes that he does.
Speaker 1: Because Josh has become a staple in the show, yeah
Speaker 1: you think, yeah, yeah, absolutely for.
Speaker 5: Sure for people who want to be a staple in
Speaker 5: your life day or just nosy and who want to
Speaker 5: watch All Stars five along with you as our girl
Speaker 5: makes her come back.
Speaker 1: We've been working on her for years to do this
Speaker 1: where can they find you on social well?
Speaker 2: As of January twenty ninth, twenty twenty five, you can
Speaker 2: find me on MTV four All Stars Season five, catch
Speaker 2: me before I go into retirement, because this isn't it okay.
Speaker 3: So make sure you catch me there. You can also
Speaker 3: catch me on all of the social.
Speaker 2: Media's at Davon Diane underscore, I'm going to be a
Speaker 2: lot more active, especially since you know now I got
Speaker 2: something to talk about.
Speaker 3: So I'm going to be a lot more active.
Speaker 2: And uh yeah, you can find me in Devin's comments
Speaker 2: on her social media's which are.
Speaker 5: She's saying that because I commented on her social media
Speaker 5: yesterday and her asking and find it all right? So
Speaker 5: but you can find me on socials and cheering along
Speaker 5: Davon for sure. You can find me at devinsmone dot com.
Speaker 5: That's seven with y Simone with an I dot com.
Speaker 5: You can find me on Amazon Live doing some really
Speaker 5: fun stuff. They'll go to my Instagram and you should
Speaker 5: be able to see clips of that at Devinsmone Den
Speaker 5: with Wismoth and I. It's all the same on TikTok, Snapchat, Twitter, YouTube,
Speaker 5: you name it.
Speaker 1: I am there.
Speaker 5: I'm getting more into my like showing up part of
Speaker 5: my personal life this year on social that's a part
Speaker 5: of it all, so you'll get to see a little
Speaker 5: bit more insight and all the things.
Speaker 1: And you, guys, we love you. I know, you know.
Speaker 1: We talk a lot of smack here. It's our job.
Speaker 5: If we didn't, we'd get fired. So but we appreciate
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Speaker 1: So thank you for.
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